Episode 125: Wolf Nuts

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,330Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 forMarch 10 2023, episode 125 We200:00:06,330 --> 00:00:13,020got wolf nuts. Well, no SAPstreamers, welcome to podcasting300:00:13,020 --> 00:00:15,9602.0 Your weekly board meeting ofeverything happening in400:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,240podcasting. Of course 2.0 meanswe've upgraded that and fully500:00:21,270 --> 00:00:25,020backwards compatible. And we'realso fully immune from Silicon600:00:25,020 --> 00:00:27,810Valley Bank contagion. That'sright. I'm Adam curry here in700:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,260the heart of Texas Oak HillCountry. And in Alabama, the bud800:00:31,260 --> 00:00:33,900for your bowl say hello to myfriend on the other end, ladies900:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,150and gentlemen, Mr. De1000:00:36,179 --> 00:00:41,339Dave Jones: Jones. My myumbrellas fine. There's no bank1100:00:41,339 --> 00:00:41,969runs on it.1200:00:42,990 --> 00:00:46,770Adam Curry: My wallets good.Yeah, five by five. Oh, you did1300:00:46,770 --> 00:00:50,970it. I had the air horn standby,just in case. If you're gonna1400:00:50,970 --> 00:00:51,840mess it up there.1500:00:52,260 --> 00:00:54,180Dave Jones: In the pipe,everything's looking good. On my1600:00:54,180 --> 00:00:58,110side. We have full we have fullliquidity for all deposits.1700:00:58,140 --> 00:01:01,530Adam Curry: We do everything alleverything, business as usual.1800:01:02,610 --> 00:01:06,060Nothing to see here. Nothing hasgone down. Nothing has stopped.1900:01:06,060 --> 00:01:10,320We continue to operate. You knowwhy? Because we have no creepy2000:01:10,320 --> 00:01:14,010corporate money. We have noadvertising. We exist solely by2100:01:14,580 --> 00:01:18,360Your grace in supportingpodcasting. 2.0 the pod the2200:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,540podcast and the project. Andwe're lit. We're live everybody.2300:01:25,230 --> 00:01:26,040streaming live?2400:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,990Dave Jones: Yeah, we had arather sudden we had a2500:01:28,410 --> 00:01:31,020conference call before the show,like we you know, like we do2600:01:31,020 --> 00:01:35,220often. And it was read. It wasrather subdued in very, like,2700:01:35,490 --> 00:01:39,210low energy to him like it was solike, the energy was sapped out2800:01:39,210 --> 00:01:39,510of me.2900:01:39,630 --> 00:01:42,390Adam Curry: It was super. Imean, I think we can talk about3000:01:42,390 --> 00:01:44,970it was nothing secret about itwas on one hand, it was kind of3100:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,120kind of nice. I know I thinkabout it. It was kind of weird,3200:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,680because I had asked for thisconference call about five3300:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,410months ago. No, no, maybe? No,maybe December, something like3400:02:01,410 --> 00:02:06,000that. It was a follow up withwith the Pocket Cast, folks.3500:02:06,780 --> 00:02:08,790Dave Jones: And just to check inand see what's Yeah, what's3600:02:08,790 --> 00:02:09,510going on? Yeah. And3700:02:09,510 --> 00:02:13,890Adam Curry: they had MattMullenweg on, which is nice. And3800:02:13,890 --> 00:02:17,070but you know, since they reachedout after such a long time,3900:02:17,070 --> 00:02:19,740they're like, yeah, yeah, let'sdo to do a call. And then they4000:02:19,740 --> 00:02:21,720were all kind of waiting for usto say stuff. And we're waiting4100:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,750for them to say stuff like,well, let me tell you what we're4200:02:24,750 --> 00:02:31,110doing that. But I mean, is iteven known that they're working4300:02:31,110 --> 00:02:34,500on implementing the namespace?Is that was that public4400:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,910knowledge? And I just missedthat.4500:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,160Dave Jones: I don't know. It waskind of surprising to me, too.4600:02:41,220 --> 00:02:43,470There was a lot of stuff thatdidn't seem to.4700:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,060Adam Curry: We didn't. We didn'tknow about. Yeah, they know a4800:02:48,060 --> 00:02:50,610lot about stuff that we don'tknow about, which is Oh, that's4900:02:50,610 --> 00:02:56,520interesting. Also, the I thinkthe young lady who's in I guess5000:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,910she didn't charge her pocketcash. She the project director5100:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,020sounded like it. Yeah, I thinkshe is. She she's in Vegas. So5200:03:04,020 --> 00:03:08,730she was at, at the Vegas podcastshow. So maybe she was talking.5300:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,770We know, she was talking a lotof people there.5400:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,640Dave Jones: It sounded like shemet up with like, Sam and the5500:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,610gas from Alby and contracts andall that, yeah, she,5600:03:17,640 --> 00:03:19,620Adam Curry: they're, they'rekind of pumped about value for5700:03:19,620 --> 00:03:21,840value. I'm not sure how pumpedthey are about it, but they5800:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,830definitely like it. But they'redoing chapters about transcript5900:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,040support chapter support. This iscool stuff. I love hearing this.6000:03:29,370 --> 00:03:33,300This is a big, big app to thatto join all this stuff. So6100:03:33,300 --> 00:03:34,320that's fantastic.6200:03:36,150 --> 00:03:38,760Dave Jones: She said they're apart of that podcast standards6300:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,470group that we don't know.6400:03:40,500 --> 00:03:44,790Adam Curry: We have no ideawho's running it. But she's6500:03:44,790 --> 00:03:47,460like, we're really excited aboutjoining the podcast standards6600:03:47,460 --> 00:03:50,610group. Oh, really? Okay, who6700:03:52,140 --> 00:03:53,670Dave Jones: else is taking alittle off my feet? Because I'm6800:03:53,670 --> 00:03:56,190like, I don't need you. Itsounds like you know more about6900:03:56,190 --> 00:03:59,280it than I do. Which, you know,honestly, is kind of exactly7000:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,030where I want it to be.7100:04:00,510 --> 00:04:02,370Adam Curry: Yeah, I think that'sperfect. If there's a group7200:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,730that's being started, which Iwould presume is kind of a7300:04:05,730 --> 00:04:09,810follow on from, from a previousmeeting where hosting companies7400:04:09,810 --> 00:04:12,420came together that they're,they're doing something so they7500:04:12,420 --> 00:04:15,930can all be on the same page thatwe love that I love. I love us7600:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,810running with scissors and beingcrazy, which is exactly what we7700:04:18,810 --> 00:04:23,130told them. Okay, yeah, no,that's great. It's whatever the7800:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,430hosting companies want to do isfantastic. We want to run with7900:04:26,430 --> 00:04:30,000scissors. We don't want anyconstraints. We want to be able8000:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,050to poke our eye out8100:04:31,650 --> 00:04:34,530Dave Jones: that we want to wethey get to look at all that8200:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,020they get to look at all thestuff that we've done and decide8300:04:37,020 --> 00:04:40,920which parts are insane and whichparts are actually usable for a8400:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,370business.8500:04:41,820 --> 00:04:44,370Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I thinkthey're almost all usable for8600:04:44,370 --> 00:04:49,200business. Yes. I don't know.Maybe it's just cartel forming.8700:04:49,290 --> 00:04:53,190I don't know. Maybe, maybethey're just cartels. We can8800:04:53,190 --> 00:04:55,500show them for Rico, Rick?8900:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,450Dave Jones: Bizarre. Yeah,that's a tie. And towards the9000:05:00,450 --> 00:05:00,900Tsar.9100:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,250Adam Curry: And we talked to himabout cross app comments and9200:05:05,250 --> 00:05:09,810activity pub. And I guess theythey they are doing stuff with9300:05:09,810 --> 00:05:14,430activity pub now. With the withthe WordPress plugin9400:05:16,470 --> 00:05:18,810Dave Jones: Yeah, I think hesaid that. They acquired it.9500:05:19,140 --> 00:05:21,390Acquire Yeah. That plug in orsomething. Yeah. Which I know9600:05:21,390 --> 00:05:25,650some horror folks have used.Yes. Yes. Sounds like they're9700:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,580they're moving and a lot of itwas in once. It was nice to have9800:05:29,580 --> 00:05:33,240the the meeting because thenit's like, we got to realize9900:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,640what they all they were doingthat we had no idea about. Yeah.10000:05:35,670 --> 00:05:37,830So I felt kind of like halfwaythrough the meeting. I'm like,10100:05:37,830 --> 00:05:40,770well, well, yeah, y'all aredoing all this stuff. We you10200:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,830don't need us. Why are we here?That's the beautiful10300:05:43,830 --> 00:05:46,140Adam Curry: thing. No one reallydoes need us. But I liked it.10400:05:46,140 --> 00:05:49,800Matt paid attention, enoughattention to it that he that he10500:05:49,830 --> 00:05:52,770dialed into the meeting. Thatwas cool. And he laughed at our10600:05:52,770 --> 00:05:55,350jokes. It's always nice. Alwaysgood. Let's make a few make you10700:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,980feel special. I was actuallytalking about Silicon Valley10800:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,010Bank beforehand, because if youhaven't heard the new Silicon10900:06:02,010 --> 00:06:06,000Valley Bank, basically wasclosed down by regulators today.11000:06:06,300 --> 00:06:11,670Which if you if you know, Ismelled something yesterday, I11100:06:11,670 --> 00:06:15,300think or the day before even.And so I don't typically watch11200:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,570CNBC that much. Certainly not inthe morning. Like yeah, I'm11300:06:18,570 --> 00:06:22,350gonna check and see what's goingon. And this morning around 845.11400:06:22,350 --> 00:06:25,080It's like, yeah, you know,stuffs happening. And then,11500:06:25,260 --> 00:06:30,840like, at 12 o'clock, or 1111 30.It's been closed by regulators11600:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,570that went very, very fast. Whichmeans11700:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,050Dave Jones: Okay, wait, wait,wait. You said it got closed?11800:06:37,050 --> 00:06:38,100The last I heard no,11900:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,040Adam Curry: it's close. Likeshut it down. It's defunct? It's12000:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,140now a dead bank. Oh,12100:06:43,410 --> 00:06:46,110Dave Jones: because? Okay, sothe last article I read last12200:06:46,140 --> 00:06:48,990read on it was last night,either this morning, or this12300:06:49,050 --> 00:06:53,010year, or last night, it said,and it said the CEO was like,12400:06:53,010 --> 00:06:54,090everybody stay calm.12500:06:54,300 --> 00:06:57,120Adam Curry: Things are safe. Noworries where we heard that12600:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,600before. And then they shut itdown. Yeah, the regulator shut12700:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,630it down this morning, whichmeans it'll remain closed. It'll12800:07:03,660 --> 00:07:06,780I mean, it won't come back. It'sa dead bank now. And the reason12900:07:06,780 --> 00:07:09,990why that happened, is over theis, you know, they they13000:07:09,990 --> 00:07:13,470overnight, they were like, hey,you know, we're trying to raise13100:07:13,470 --> 00:07:17,520$2 billion. Anyone interested?And everyone, right? No, we're13200:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,740taking our money out. Becauseyou have to understand Silicon13300:07:19,740 --> 00:07:24,450Valley Bank, I had an accountthere. When we took our, our,13400:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,450let me see nothing, when when weraise money for pod show slash13500:07:30,450 --> 00:07:35,370bvo. The way it works is youraise money. And of course, you13600:07:35,370 --> 00:07:39,540give away a percentage of thecompany for equity, for the13700:07:39,540 --> 00:07:42,600money that you raise. And thenthey immediately introduce you13800:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,330to Silicon Valley Bank. Andthat's where you're expected to13900:07:45,330 --> 00:07:48,030put the money you just raised,which really means it's going14000:07:48,030 --> 00:07:50,940from one account and SiliconValley Bank to another account,14100:07:51,030 --> 00:07:53,910because all the big venturecapital guys have accounts their14200:07:54,900 --> 00:07:59,250their general partners, theirlimited partners, many of them14300:07:59,250 --> 00:08:01,860personally, not the smart oneswould never do that. But many of14400:08:01,860 --> 00:08:05,760them still have personal bankaccounts there. And the whole14500:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,330idea is that you raise yourmoney, which is always14600:08:09,330 --> 00:08:13,260expensive, because you're givingaway equity in the company. And14700:08:13,260 --> 00:08:17,490then you can do debt financing,based upon that raise that you14800:08:17,490 --> 00:08:20,310have with a favored nationstatus. So we raise money from14900:08:20,310 --> 00:08:25,380Sequoia Capital, from KleinerPerkins from rom Shri ROM, I15000:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,950mean, these are all top notchinvestors. And so then you can15100:08:28,950 --> 00:08:31,770immediately go and get, youknow, 10 $10 million in debt15200:08:31,770 --> 00:08:36,420financing. Because of thatrelationship, many companies15300:08:36,450 --> 00:08:40,470also run their payroll throughSilicon Valley Bank. So what has15400:08:40,470 --> 00:08:45,330happened now is now it this isthe weird thing, it closed with15500:08:45,930 --> 00:08:49,140the closer with $200 billion inassets, and apparently only like15600:08:49,140 --> 00:08:54,000150 billion in liability. So thequestion now is, what is that15700:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,720asset number based on? Is itFTX? Is it they have been15800:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,220involved with a lot of shitcoins, and I think now now it's15900:09:05,220 --> 00:09:08,040coming to roost. So this bankhas basically failed, that has16000:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,330not happened since LehmanBrothers in 2008. This is this16100:09:12,330 --> 00:09:15,540is a much bigger deal. And Ithink you're also going to see16200:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,560all these little companies, theyall have their money there, they16300:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,290were desperately trying to getit out yesterday, some of them16400:09:22,290 --> 00:09:25,410got money out, but most of themdidn't. So all they have left is16500:09:25,410 --> 00:09:30,780$250,000, which is insured bythe FDIC for each account that16600:09:30,780 --> 00:09:35,580you have. So this could putcompanies out of business, we16700:09:35,820 --> 00:09:39,330everyone has payroll coming upin five days, that could screw16800:09:39,330 --> 00:09:41,760up payroll that people literallyare not getting paid because the16900:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,340money was supposed to be sentfrom Silicon Valley Bank, I mean17000:09:47,340 --> 00:09:50,610this it could be a very, very,very big problem. And of course,17100:09:50,820 --> 00:09:53,700now we're going to find out, youknow, as we talked about17200:09:53,700 --> 00:09:59,970contagion, how many banks orinstrument or derivatives were17300:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,630We're connected to the businessof Silicon Valley Bank was doing17400:10:04,590 --> 00:10:06,780and that they involve muchbigger banks.17500:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,620Dave Jones: This had to they hadto be the bank for FTX. They had17600:10:10,620 --> 00:10:11,340to they were17700:10:11,370 --> 00:10:13,500Adam Curry: no they weren't.That's what wired it because the17800:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,080first one that went down tosilver gate, and these are17900:10:16,110 --> 00:10:19,200official banks, you know, banksthat were dealing mainly in18000:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,690crypto, most definitely, SiliconValley Bank was kind of the18100:10:24,690 --> 00:10:27,900darling of all these biggercrypto plays. And so they18200:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,520weren't, they weren't, you know,they were running the money18300:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,910through that. And when FTXclosed, I think their exposure18400:10:32,910 --> 00:10:37,740was over a billion dollars rightoff the bat. And then then they18500:10:37,740 --> 00:10:40,800have bonds, and then their bondsbecome less desirable. So they18600:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,680were selling their bonds at aloss. And then there just became18700:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,830a run on the bank. Peter Thiellast night called up all of his18800:10:46,830 --> 00:10:49,140companies that he's invested insaid, take your money out18900:10:49,170 --> 00:10:52,920immediately. That's a bank run.So definitely, that was a bank19000:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,280run.19100:10:53,580 --> 00:10:57,720Dave Jones: That was a by Nancemove is what that was against19200:10:57,930 --> 00:11:02,400Silicon Valley Bank. Could he bethe first guy to get out? wins?19300:11:02,730 --> 00:11:06,210Always. Always you get all youryou get all your money. And19400:11:06,210 --> 00:11:09,810after that, you just don't evencare that this this is gonna get19500:11:09,810 --> 00:11:13,740worse because we. So you know, Ikeep bringing up this book19600:11:13,740 --> 00:11:14,850Secrets of the temple.19700:11:15,030 --> 00:11:17,040Adam Curry: That yes, thatyou've been reading, which is19800:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,630the chick repellent?19900:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,900Dave Jones: Yes. It's basicallyYeah, it's like, it's the Aquila20000:11:21,900 --> 00:11:26,250is the literary equivalent ofgarlic and across is what it is.20100:11:26,550 --> 00:11:32,490So they, but it's, but it'svery, very good. And I love20200:11:32,490 --> 00:11:36,450books like this, because it waswritten. It was written in like20300:11:36,450 --> 00:11:42,7201991. So this historicalperspective from this completely20400:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,090unpolluted by any modernpolitics, or, or anything like20500:11:48,150 --> 00:11:52,860that there's nobody left, whohas a hand who has a vested20600:11:52,860 --> 00:11:56,730interest in covering things upreally, you know, that there20700:11:56,730 --> 00:12:01,560kind of is over. So yes, calledSecrets of the temple by William20800:12:01,560 --> 00:12:06,240Greider. And the one of thethings, the pictures, he paints20900:12:06,270 --> 00:12:11,790of the inflationary period. Thatis really a mirror of what we're21000:12:11,790 --> 00:12:18,180going through now that he talksabout how they the Fed, they21100:12:18,180 --> 00:12:21,930kept raising rates, and theycouldn't stop it. Right. They21200:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,780they got all the way they tookat some point, at one point they21300:12:24,780 --> 00:12:30,510took the they took the governoroff. And they said, Okay, we're21400:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,200not going to moderate interestrates, we're going to instead21500:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,530what we're going to do is we'regoing to focus on bank reserves.21600:12:37,950 --> 00:12:41,280So essentially, they were tryingto regulate the money supply21700:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,570directly. So they said, Okay,we're not what we took when we21800:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,640deregulated and maximum interestrate levels, because there used21900:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,820to be a maximum interest rate,you could charge. And once that22000:12:53,820 --> 00:12:57,420level was hit, banks juststopped lending altogether. And22100:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,340they said, Okay, we're going totake that off. And instead,22200:13:02,340 --> 00:13:05,910we're just gonna focus onregulating only bank reserves,22300:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,810and let the interest raterespond, however it wants to in22400:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,560a natural way. That's how youended up with 20% interest22500:13:13,560 --> 00:13:19,590rates. So the banks, it wasn'tthat the Fed directly raised the22600:13:19,590 --> 00:13:23,190interest rates to 20% is thatthey got there when they took22700:13:23,190 --> 00:13:25,980the when they took the governor,right,22800:13:25,980 --> 00:13:30,600Adam Curry: the problem. And thedifference now is the speed at22900:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,690which they raise the rates, whatis slipping, like eight rate23000:13:33,690 --> 00:13:38,730raises in this past in the pastnine months or something, which23100:13:38,730 --> 00:13:43,200is incredibly fast. Everyonesaid, it has to stop at 5%. And23200:13:43,230 --> 00:13:45,210this is the Federal Reserveraising the interest rate, but23300:13:45,210 --> 00:13:48,870not not the banks. And they andthey went over that they just23400:13:48,870 --> 00:13:51,900went over that. And that isgoing to hurt every single bank23500:13:51,900 --> 00:13:57,150no matter what, what I'msuspicious of these, and I'm23600:13:57,150 --> 00:14:04,830really not a banker. But thewhat happens when you raise like23700:14:04,830 --> 00:14:08,490that is the banks just aren'tcapitalized enough for the bonds23800:14:08,490 --> 00:14:13,080that they hold. And I from whatI understand, they're, you know,23900:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,140typically these banks have tohave 10% reserve and they go24000:14:16,140 --> 00:14:19,530through these so called stresstests, but I think during COVID,24100:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,320they didn't have to have anyreserve, it could be zero, and24200:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,920I'm not sure that they everremoved that, you know, endless24300:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,730limitation.24400:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,790Dave Jones: So there's adifference there though. So they24500:14:29,820 --> 00:14:33,900the small banks don't are notunder those onerous reserve24600:14:33,900 --> 00:14:37,050requirements. But the bigsystemic banks there's a list of24700:14:37,050 --> 00:14:40,170them that are under the socalled, like too big to fail24800:14:40,170 --> 00:14:44,280system. They're quote unquote,systemic right banks, and those24900:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,600do have they do haverequirements. Okay. Yeah. And25000:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,740they're well capitalized by theFed directly really, I mean,25100:14:52,770 --> 00:14:55,050through the through the monitor,you know, through the markets,25200:14:55,050 --> 00:14:56,940but there there are,25300:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,420Adam Curry: yeah, but onlypolicy only if the if If the25400:15:00,420 --> 00:15:03,300money markets if they if they'refunctioning, and they've been25500:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,700pretty much in irons, you know,they've been trying to sell25600:15:05,700 --> 00:15:08,010treasuries has been very hard tosell treasuries.25700:15:08,940 --> 00:15:12,030Dave Jones: What happened inwhat happened in that effect?25800:15:12,060 --> 00:15:13,830Adam Curry: I, by the way, Ihate it when you know so much25900:15:13,830 --> 00:15:16,770about this stuff, it's reallyannoying. So stop reading that26000:15:16,770 --> 00:15:17,130book.26100:15:19,410 --> 00:15:22,980Dave Jones: What happened, then,you know, interest rates kept26200:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,900going up. And they could notmake the banks stop lending,26300:15:28,620 --> 00:15:33,360because it got in if interestrates were still mortgages were26400:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,070still being taken out at17 1819 20%. Right? They were26500:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,120labor, they felt powerless tomake it stop. And what happened26600:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,470was, it was a psychologicalhuman behavior issue. Because26700:15:46,740 --> 00:15:51,960the, the, everybody when wheninflation really settles into,26800:15:52,650 --> 00:15:57,930to the public consciousness,you, you feel like you have to26900:15:57,930 --> 00:16:02,910go buy, because you got to getit before the rate goes up. And27000:16:02,910 --> 00:16:08,190you want real goods, you wantyou want hard assets, in order27100:16:08,190 --> 00:16:13,020to protect yourself from the andfrom the devaluation of your of27200:16:13,020 --> 00:16:17,220your cash. And there's nowhereelse to put it. And so that that27300:16:17,220 --> 00:16:20,910was bad enough back then. Butthen now it's even worse, I27400:16:20,910 --> 00:16:22,560think, because you have27500:16:22,590 --> 00:16:25,440Adam Curry: credit card debt,auto loan debt, I mean, people27600:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,910are dead people live by debt.Yep. And that's exactly right.27700:16:29,970 --> 00:16:32,820So the problem here isultimately, you know, the27800:16:32,820 --> 00:16:37,740government bails these theseaccounts out FDIC, I, someone27900:16:37,740 --> 00:16:43,170sent me this, there was, it wasthe FDIC meeting, and I think it28000:16:43,170 --> 00:16:46,740was the January meeting. And IAnd now I'm going back trying to28100:16:46,740 --> 00:16:49,770find this clip from the originalsource because I never trust any28200:16:49,770 --> 00:16:52,920of these clips to just show up.And these guys literally in that28300:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,970meeting are talking about a bailin, which means, which means28400:16:56,970 --> 00:16:59,790when the bank fails, they takeyour money that they're holding28500:16:59,820 --> 00:17:08,640to fix it. And the overallconcept here is that what could28600:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,170happen and this is out there isthat if it's systemic, if some28700:17:13,170 --> 00:17:15,810of these banks start to fail,and the government really28800:17:15,810 --> 00:17:18,270doesn't have the money, they'dhave to print more, which we28900:17:18,270 --> 00:17:21,390can't do at this moment at all,because, you know, we have not29000:17:21,420 --> 00:17:24,180agreed to raise the debt ceilingso the timing could not be more29100:17:24,180 --> 00:17:27,420perfect. That you could wake upin the morning and you've saved29200:17:27,420 --> 00:17:30,720let's say you have $1,000 inyour account, you'd have $1,00029300:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,460but it would be you know, fedthe coin or something. That's29400:17:35,460 --> 00:17:38,190really that's really apossibility. That could really29500:17:38,190 --> 00:17:38,790happen.29600:17:39,930 --> 00:17:46,500Dave Jones: That's, that remindsme of Lebanon. Yes. Yeah, that29700:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,240sounds Lebanese to me.29800:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,440Adam Curry: Well, the differenceis Lebanon, they just closed the29900:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,400banks like It's like alright,your money or like turkey same30000:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,270thing you know, the lira hasdevalued by 90%. But what they30100:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,990could do here is they could saywell, it's still it's still $130200:18:03,990 --> 00:18:06,930It's just now it's a digitaldollar. It's the fed coin, which30300:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,450would function the same way Imean, I'm not sure about the30400:18:09,450 --> 00:18:12,000value on the internationalmarket but the problem is the30500:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,400control over it you know, theywould have complete control over30600:18:14,400 --> 00:18:14,850your money30700:18:15,810 --> 00:18:20,130Dave Jones: this what's thewhat's the Netherlands? What's30800:18:20,130 --> 00:18:23,580that can that word and thenDutch the conspiracy to the wolf30900:18:23,580 --> 00:18:28,260nuts or something like that wolfnot what what's what31000:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,230Adam Curry: show title wolfknots? I don't know what31100:18:33,060 --> 00:18:37,500Dave Jones: I said what was nutsI think what's the what's the31200:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,910what are some Dutch term thatmeans like some crazy conspiracy31300:18:41,910 --> 00:18:47,400theorists that somebody callsyou, oh, VP, VP, VP is now is31400:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,690now worth notes. Yes. Perfect.31500:18:50,250 --> 00:18:52,650Adam Curry: Wa PPIE VP,31600:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,370Dave Jones: okay, yeah, that'sthat's the the fatty coin that's31700:18:56,370 --> 00:18:59,010the that's the VP VP coin.31800:18:59,220 --> 00:19:04,290Adam Curry: Well, I'm all in onthat. You know. I would like to31900:19:04,290 --> 00:19:09,240see something happen I don'twant people to go poor and I32000:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,910don't think we will. Butsomething's got to happen.32100:19:12,390 --> 00:19:15,180Dave Jones: What what what'simpressive to me honestly, is32200:19:15,180 --> 00:19:18,240that in attend to think aboutthis when these things happen,32300:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,910we've had a series of these nowthese sort of big crypto market32400:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,080failure Oh yeah,32500:19:25,110 --> 00:19:25,920Adam Curry: big one things32600:19:26,010 --> 00:19:29,130Dave Jones: and what what's kindof impressive to me is that yes,32700:19:29,130 --> 00:19:34,260Bitcoin takes a hit. But if youthink about it, it's it's not32800:19:34,260 --> 00:19:37,560nearly as bad as you think itwould be. Like that. I mean,32900:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,830Bitcoin it just tends to have adent and comes right back. Yeah,33000:19:40,830 --> 00:19:44,130sure. Like it's very resilientto whatever this is this going33100:19:44,130 --> 00:19:47,820on. Yeah, sometimes it feels andsometimes, especially I read33200:19:47,820 --> 00:19:53,010yesterday was the new Bidenbudget proposal which there's33300:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,670some currently there's somecrazy crap in there, but one of33400:19:56,670 --> 00:20:00,450them was like a 30% tax on mycrypto and Bitcoin mine. ers.33500:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,210Did you see that? No, I didn't.I haven't seen it read the whole33600:20:03,210 --> 00:20:07,110budget yet. I just saw thetoppling of long term capital33700:20:07,110 --> 00:20:08,160gains tax. Yeah. To33800:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,120Adam Curry: 40. To 40%. Sure.Sounds fair. Yeah. But no one33900:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,200unknown who makes under $400,000We'll get a get will have paid a34000:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320penny more in tax, which ofcourse, is a lie, because the34100:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,610hidden tax is inflation. Yeah,yeah. And it ends the inflation34200:20:23,610 --> 00:20:27,510I'd say is, is maybe even 20%Now, you know, 10% price34300:20:27,510 --> 00:20:31,380inflation, and 10% Shrinkinflation, translation.34400:20:31,710 --> 00:20:34,740Dave Jones: Translation. Yeah,the cans are getting smaller.34500:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,550They really34600:20:35,550 --> 00:20:37,950Adam Curry: are. It'snoticeable. I mean, I got this I34700:20:37,950 --> 00:20:40,980got this Dr. Pepper here, sevenand a half fluid ounces. It's34800:20:40,980 --> 00:20:45,060still like $18 for this one canI'm telling you it's crazy. What34900:20:45,060 --> 00:20:48,240to do with it. We're all gonnadie.35000:20:48,689 --> 00:20:50,669Dave Jones: I need to buy awhole bunch. I just finished my35100:20:50,669 --> 00:20:53,219base milkshake. I need to buy awhole bunch more pouches of that35200:20:53,219 --> 00:20:56,549before it before the shrinkrelation mental contagion. That35300:20:56,549 --> 00:20:56,939happens.35400:20:56,970 --> 00:20:59,910Adam Curry: But the best, thebest part? Wait, did you hear35500:20:59,910 --> 00:21:07,170about the Perth Mint inAustralia? Oh, no. So they were35600:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,000they were doping their gold. Sothey sold like 100,000 tons of35700:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,450gold to the Shanghai exchange.And they were putting a little35800:21:15,450 --> 00:21:18,570bit extra silver in there. Andso now they may have to know35900:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,960Yeah, they may have tocompensate by taking that back36000:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,430to the tune of $8 billion.36100:21:25,050 --> 00:21:28,500Dave Jones: Are you kidding me?Yes, like pieces of aid type36200:21:28,500 --> 00:21:29,730thing all over again. Yeah,36300:21:29,730 --> 00:21:31,470Adam Curry: cut cutting off. Youknow, what were the what they36400:21:31,470 --> 00:21:36,600call it. souping back in theblog. Like way back in the day36500:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,660you put your your gold and yoursilver coins into a bag and you36600:21:39,660 --> 00:21:42,720shake it, shake it, shake it,and then little filings would36700:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,850come off of it and you collectthat.36800:21:47,490 --> 00:21:50,580Dave Jones: Purse mint. That'sone of the major mints in the36900:21:50,580 --> 00:21:51,180world. It's a37000:21:51,180 --> 00:21:54,150Adam Curry: huge scam. I think Ihave a clip of that actually.37100:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,720Oh, sorry. I37200:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,190Dave Jones: used to have somesome.37300:21:56,790 --> 00:22:00,870Adam Curry: You I knew you. Iknew you're a gold guy.37400:22:01,890 --> 00:22:05,460Dave Jones: I used to havethree, one ounce kookaburras37500:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,110Have you seen those? That's it?No,37600:22:07,110 --> 00:22:09,390Adam Curry: I only had theCougar Cougar ends I got the37700:22:09,390 --> 00:22:10,710Cooper grands got the heads37800:22:10,710 --> 00:22:12,630Dave Jones: of Cougar hands.Yeah, you're listening to this37900:22:13,110 --> 00:22:17,220was an extraordinary story. Canyou first of all tell me why did38000:22:17,220 --> 00:22:19,950they dope the gold as it'scalled? Yeah,38100:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,160Unknown: good morning, they werelooking 2018 The Perth Mint was38200:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,830under quite a bit of financialpressure. And so they took a38300:22:25,830 --> 00:22:33,600decision to dilute or to dopetheir gold and that basically38400:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,830means that they added tinyamounts of silver into the mix38500:22:38,220 --> 00:22:42,990that makes in their gold bars.And this was a really a It's not38600:22:42,990 --> 00:22:45,630illegal, but it's a really highrisk strategy because it leaves38700:22:45,630 --> 00:22:45,810it's38800:22:45,810 --> 00:22:49,050Adam Curry: not illegal. I don'tsee how that was not illegal.38900:22:49,350 --> 00:22:51,480Dave Jones: How can it not beillegal?39000:22:54,180 --> 00:22:56,580Adam Curry: What else I'll fastforward to the end of this39100:22:56,610 --> 00:22:58,110report. 100 tons39200:22:58,110 --> 00:23:01,440Unknown: of gold to internalstaff members had made some39300:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,170estimates they made a estimatethat up to 100 tonnes of gold39400:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,440that they had sent to theShanghai Gold Exchange was39500:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,030potentially below the Shanghaiexchange standards and may need39600:23:15,030 --> 00:23:20,550to be recalled now. That is$9,000,000,001.7 billion worth39700:23:20,550 --> 00:23:21,090of gold.39800:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,790Adam Curry: Now of course that'saustralian dollar we do so I39900:23:23,790 --> 00:23:26,040guess it's what a buck 50 orsomething it's not it's not a40000:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,730lot of money say40100:23:26,730 --> 00:23:27,390Dave Jones: 600040200:23:28,290 --> 00:23:33,060Adam Curry: Oh, nice picture ofyour your Kookaburra Yes, a40300:23:33,060 --> 00:23:37,050Dave Jones: pretty coin and it'svery bland coin. Yeah, like I40400:23:37,050 --> 00:23:39,540can't believe that they didthat. What what does that40500:23:39,540 --> 00:23:42,180meeting look like by the waytoday? What's that board40600:23:42,180 --> 00:23:42,870meetings? Hey,40700:23:42,870 --> 00:23:45,660Adam Curry: we're screwed whatcan we do Jade All right, and40800:23:45,660 --> 00:23:47,850the board meeting? I don't know.And40900:23:48,330 --> 00:23:51,450Dave Jones: what if we put somestuff in the gold coins? That's41000:23:51,450 --> 00:23:54,660not gold? Oh, what did I do thatdid Jim has41100:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,650Adam Curry: tungsten forinstance. Somehow it made me41200:23:58,650 --> 00:24:01,680feel really powerful that whatwe're doing it's like you know,41300:24:01,710 --> 00:24:06,270not just the fact that we don'thave that type of here's here's41400:24:06,270 --> 00:24:13,680what I was thinking aboutyesterday when it comes to the41500:24:13,680 --> 00:24:20,520adaptation of Bitcoin you havepeople actually sending off41600:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,850their Bitcoin to other people ina transaction airy fashion you41700:24:23,850 --> 00:24:26,880know, it's called a value forvalue donation or whatever you41800:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,730want to call it. And so this isnot a huddling situation. People41900:24:32,730 --> 00:24:38,430are who receive it like you andI we receive from our podcast we42000:24:39,660 --> 00:24:43,290will I receive from no agenda.Where do you where do you get42100:24:43,290 --> 00:24:46,590your your Bitcoin from? You buyit?42200:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,400Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, butI have a look at dollar cost.42300:24:50,430 --> 00:24:51,840You have a bass on every month42400:24:51,870 --> 00:24:54,210Adam Curry: but you have noincome No, no SATs incoming42500:24:54,210 --> 00:24:57,870because our stuff all goes tothe index. You didn't show you42600:24:57,870 --> 00:25:02,160need another show you eithershow your show with your wife or42700:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,990something so you get some ofyour own SAFS42800:25:04,409 --> 00:25:08,759Dave Jones: No, I get you haveme in like a 1% split I think42900:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,799for the for my hella pad.43000:25:10,949 --> 00:25:13,049Adam Curry: All right, right,right, right. Okay, so yeah. So43100:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,469so whatever it is, we get SATs,we send them right back out and43200:25:16,469 --> 00:25:20,309then you know, some people useit and send it back to other43300:25:20,309 --> 00:25:24,329podcasters other people take itand buy beer for conference43400:25:24,329 --> 00:25:28,079goers Okay, fine, fine,whatever. I prefer to keep that43500:25:28,079 --> 00:25:33,299in the in the system. But what Iwhat I realized is that across43600:25:33,299 --> 00:25:39,449the board, the numerology isshowing adoption of of Bitcoin43700:25:39,449 --> 00:25:43,709because no one says, Thanks foryour $5 Thanks for your 27543800:25:43,709 --> 00:25:51,869We're all talking about 100,000SATs 25,000 SATs 5150 6969 777743900:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,669That isn't an adoption of acurrency. We're not thinking of44000:25:56,669 --> 00:26:02,609it in Monat in in Fiat dollarlevel anymore. If we ever really44100:26:02,609 --> 00:26:05,129were at the beginning, I thinkpeople were like, well, that's44200:26:05,129 --> 00:26:10,259nothing. But now, no, no, we'renot. I think people are getting44300:26:10,259 --> 00:26:13,919their own their own feel of oh,100,000 That's a big baller, you44400:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,679know that that's a that's asubstantial number. Whereas that44500:26:16,679 --> 00:26:21,209number actually in dollarsfluctuates. I think somehow, and44600:26:21,209 --> 00:26:23,969other people may be betterexplaining it to me. This proves44700:26:23,969 --> 00:26:27,119adoption. As a currency.44800:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,860Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz it Yeah, Ithink you're right, because so I44900:26:31,860 --> 00:26:33,720was building the charts.45000:26:33,750 --> 00:26:38,520Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. I ledyou right to it, didn't I? You45100:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,850did.45200:26:40,530 --> 00:26:43,620Dave Jones: You've led me there.And it was good. I'm glad it45300:26:43,620 --> 00:26:48,810was. It was a fun project. Itwas like a nice little side side45400:26:48,810 --> 00:26:51,630gig that I could do that wasthat was just fun, because I've45500:26:51,630 --> 00:26:53,700never done any chart stuffbefore.45600:26:53,970 --> 00:26:56,130Adam Curry: It turned out reallygood. And I bought a domain45700:26:56,190 --> 00:27:01,110domain name for you. Oh, you didnot. I did V for v stats.com.45800:27:01,710 --> 00:27:07,200Oh, nice. Okay, and it's runningas we speak. Okay. V four v45900:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,130stats.com.46000:27:08,310 --> 00:27:09,990Dave Jones: I will move thebucket and I'll tell you where46100:27:09,990 --> 00:27:17,310to point it. So, the this thecharts, initially when I built46200:27:17,310 --> 00:27:23,940it right now it's at stats dotpodcast index.org/v Four v. And46300:27:23,970 --> 00:27:26,880Adam Curry: I have a questionright off the bat. Okay, looking46400:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,340at that, because I saw ityesterday. I'm looking at it46500:27:29,340 --> 00:27:36,930today. It appears that when ithits midnight, and updates the46600:27:36,930 --> 00:27:41,130chart, it starts with whateverhas come in for that day. So it46700:27:41,130 --> 00:27:46,170this goes up to March 10, whichis today and it shows number46800:27:46,170 --> 00:27:53,490almost near zero. That maybe youneed to compile it at 1159 5946900:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,620Dave Jones: I think I'm gonnahave to make it where it where47000:27:58,620 --> 00:28:03,420it excludes today. So he startsfrom, like 24 hours ago and goes47100:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,760yeah, yeah, I just noticed thata while ago as well,47200:28:05,909 --> 00:28:08,429Adam Curry: because it lookslike oh shit. The Silicon Valley47300:28:08,429 --> 00:28:13,799Bank contagiousness. Like it's avery sad chart. I don't like it47400:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,949like this. I don't like it whenevery single one is like Oh,47500:28:16,979 --> 00:28:24,239boo. But even though it wasstill so by midnight. Now it47600:28:24,239 --> 00:28:25,859doesn't it doesn't tell me howmany47700:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,620Dave Jones: this it does. If youif you if you hover over the47800:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,430load dot you?47900:28:30,570 --> 00:28:37,020Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. 180,081Yet at midnight? Yeah, that's48000:28:37,020 --> 00:28:39,690section and that's actually Ilike that.48100:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,230Dave Jones: So what's what'spretty nice. I mean, I don't48200:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,110really know how to get anaverage I can probably, like48300:28:46,110 --> 00:28:48,180probably do an average where itwould have sold just like this48400:28:48,180 --> 00:28:52,950little secondary line runningback in the in the background.48500:28:53,340 --> 00:28:57,810But most of the time, even ondown days, it's still around a48600:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,630million sets. Oh yeah. But thenyou just have these, these48700:29:00,630 --> 00:29:05,550spikes up to three, 3 millionsets on a regular basis per day.48800:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,950Adam Curry: That's release days.It's so obvious you can see what48900:29:07,950 --> 00:29:11,550day you want to release on whenthat's exactly what that is. So49000:29:11,550 --> 00:29:15,450I'm sure that some of that's ourshow podcasting. 2.0 I'm sure we49100:29:15,450 --> 00:29:19,830spiked the stats I'm sure rabbithole recap. You know, just look49200:29:19,830 --> 00:29:24,270at the fountain Top radio. Yeah,all that stuff spike, it becomes49300:29:24,270 --> 00:29:28,290really wild. The thing Irequested which you are which49400:29:28,290 --> 00:29:31,020you already said it's in thetable and that'll get done is49500:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,430number of transactions. I thinkthat's that's pretty important49600:29:35,430 --> 00:29:40,530number just to see how manypeople are actually interacting49700:29:40,530 --> 00:29:44,190and then man, I could give you amillion other ideas, boost49800:29:44,190 --> 00:29:47,340versus streams etc. This is allthis is combined. I take it49900:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,570right. Yes.50000:29:49,530 --> 00:29:51,630Dave Jones: Yes, that's right.Yeah, boosting is training. So50100:29:51,630 --> 00:29:57,060here's here's another idea. So Iposted this, the link to this on50200:29:57,060 --> 00:30:01,530noster because I'm forcingmyself to live over there and50300:30:01,530 --> 00:30:06,750noster as well. Yeah. Andimmediately I got back a reply50400:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,640that said, let me see if I canpull it up. Do I get back a50500:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,660snarky reply50600:30:12,810 --> 00:30:14,730Adam Curry: go into what exactlydid you post?50700:30:15,509 --> 00:30:18,659Dave Jones: So I just posted alink to50800:30:19,439 --> 00:30:22,019Adam Curry: STATS chart you gota snarky reply50900:30:22,949 --> 00:30:26,099Dave Jones: Yeah, so I postedthe link to the stats chart and51000:30:26,699 --> 00:30:31,919and I got a reply that says sonoster still being a baby51100:30:31,949 --> 00:30:35,249already outperforms a moresettled V for fee put in the for51200:30:35,249 --> 00:30:39,719V podcasting quote, industry,unquote. What asshole was that?51300:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,049I don't know somebody namedTony. Anyways,51400:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800Adam Curry: Tony, this dudenamed Tony. Okay. He says51500:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,010Dave Jones: anyways, I'm surenostril will help V for V51600:30:50,010 --> 00:30:53,910podcasting reach net Lex nextlevels in no time. Okay, well,51700:30:53,910 --> 00:30:58,740we'll hang around for that.Yeah, so NZ posted a link that51800:30:58,740 --> 00:31:07,080shows over to zap life and dotlol which I think is the51900:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,070greatest domain name. And I'veseen in a while zap Live dot52000:31:11,070 --> 00:31:17,250lol. And it says over the pastseven days 15,604,898 SATs have52100:31:17,250 --> 00:31:21,540been zapped. Sure. So So he'ssaying that and then he shows a52200:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,650comparison chart from the V forV stats, this shows52300:31:26,940 --> 00:31:33,5102000 10,625,000 SATs. So 5million SATs more had been52400:31:33,510 --> 00:31:37,260zapped over the last week onnoster than have been sent to52500:31:37,260 --> 00:31:40,830podcasters on fee for V andthat's that's clearly an52600:31:40,830 --> 00:31:47,610indication that noster isbetter. Tony, Thanks, Tony.52700:31:47,610 --> 00:31:50,700Thanks that this is a this isclear. Like he doesn't even have52800:31:50,700 --> 00:31:58,170to really explain it. So mythought was okay, there needs to52900:31:58,170 --> 00:32:05,580be a better apples to applescomparison. Yes. I mean, I don't53000:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,160Adam Curry: even care about thecomparison. But yes, in case we53100:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,100need it. Yes. A better a betterbetter one. Okay.53200:32:11,130 --> 00:32:16,740Dave Jones: Yes. So, um, so thisis not a, you know, who stuff is53300:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,070bigger contest, because it's tome, it's complete apples and53400:32:20,070 --> 00:32:24,930oranges. But, and, and and Idon't care. But, but that did53500:32:24,930 --> 00:32:32,940bring up a good idea. Which is,it would be nice to see a per53600:32:33,330 --> 00:32:38,970listener, a SATs per listenermetric, where you say, Okay, how53700:32:38,970 --> 00:32:44,610many? Here's the this, this10,625,629 sets over the last53800:32:44,610 --> 00:32:48,870seven days. How many listenersrepresent how many listeners53900:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,290were sending SAS? What does thathow many people were are54000:32:52,290 --> 00:32:57,390responsible for that much?Savage. Right? Savage. And so54100:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,500then, if you like, if you weregoing to compare that to54200:33:01,500 --> 00:33:06,120something like noster or someother metric, you could say,54300:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000Okay, here's, here's youraverage podcast listener. And54400:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,620here's how much they send to acreator. And then here's your54500:33:13,620 --> 00:33:20,160average. Not Nasir noster. Anostrich and how much they send54600:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,580to in zaps and my gut instinct.Is that a lightning pot? Is that54700:33:26,580 --> 00:33:32,820a podcast? Listener? Sins waymore than your average nostril54800:33:32,820 --> 00:33:33,240dude.54900:33:34,740 --> 00:33:39,210Adam Curry: Oh, I'm I'm so sureyou're right. No doubt about it.55000:33:39,210 --> 00:33:41,370What did you send me how yousend me more pictures? What is55100:33:41,370 --> 00:33:45,000Dave Jones: this? Yeah. So tonerecords sent send us some shows55200:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,370some album art for this. Forthis. He55300:33:47,370 --> 00:33:49,680Adam Curry: wants us to changethe album art. Oh,55400:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,590Dave Jones: no. Further. We waitsaid last time that.55500:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,330Adam Curry: Oh, that's right.You're right. You're right. I'm55600:33:54,330 --> 00:33:56,490sorry. Yeah, we did say that,didn't we? Yeah.55700:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,790Dave Jones: We would take someper episode out more. So he sent55800:33:59,790 --> 00:34:01,740us some very pretty.55900:34:01,860 --> 00:34:03,960Adam Curry: Let me take a lookat this. It didn't show up. And56000:34:04,020 --> 00:34:04,740oh, I have to.56100:34:06,060 --> 00:34:07,110Dave Jones: It's a collage.56200:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,690Adam Curry: What is a JPEG?56300:34:10,140 --> 00:34:10,890Dave Jones: A PNG56400:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,310Adam Curry: is weird. For somereason. It doesn't want to open56500:34:14,310 --> 00:34:18,360it nicely for me. Let's see. Usewindows. Who the hell knows what56600:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,120Windows doing? Now we go. Wow,it's taking How big is fives if56700:34:24,150 --> 00:34:27,810I have nothing? Big. This isweird. Sounds weird.56800:34:29,070 --> 00:34:33,450Dave Jones: Okay, well. Let'ssee. where's the where's the56900:34:33,450 --> 00:34:38,280original? I can get it for you.What happened to? I'll send you57000:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,050the zip file that's got all ofit in there.57100:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,980Adam Curry: Yeah, because it'ssorry, photos can't open this57200:34:43,980 --> 00:34:47,340file. It's a format that'sunsupported or corrupted.57300:34:48,150 --> 00:34:51,180Dave Jones: Oh, well. I'll sendit to you after the show. Okay.57400:34:51,210 --> 00:34:53,370Yeah. Good. It's very nice,though. It's very57500:34:53,370 --> 00:34:56,850Adam Curry: pretty. Well,anyway, I'm very proud of of57600:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,620what I'm seeing here. I mean, sowe're looking at a Mmm. dailies57700:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,950have over a million saps wellover a million in some cases. I57800:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,910know the other metrics we have,we also have average average57900:35:11,910 --> 00:35:15,060payment size, which I think isalso a nice one. I think that's58000:35:15,060 --> 00:35:17,670actually maybe even a veryimportant one.58100:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,260Dave Jones: You mean like, like,what is the average boost or58200:35:22,260 --> 00:35:23,190average stream?58300:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,950Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean,it'd be nice to break it out.58400:35:25,950 --> 00:35:28,560Because boost versus streams,you know, that's a difference.58500:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,410But I'll tell you, in mostcases, I see. I see more. Oh,58600:35:34,410 --> 00:35:41,040that is that's a lot of artworkthere. In most cases, I see a58700:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,190larger amount of streaming sitesversus the booster grams, the58800:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,650streaming sites are not to bediscounted, people are really58900:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,680using that in a very silent waythat's kind of crept up. It's59000:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600gotten pretty, pretty big.59100:35:52,050 --> 00:35:55,470Dave Jones: Let me tell youthis, I forget about it. And I59200:35:55,470 --> 00:35:58,800forget, I get so used toboosting to show that how much I59300:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,270love the show that that I forgetabout the streaming sets. And59400:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,390then every now and then I'lllook. I'll be listening to a59500:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,630show for a while. And then mywallet will run out.59600:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,000Adam Curry: And how did thathappen? Why didn't lose that59700:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,320much. I've had that happen to?59800:36:13,709 --> 00:36:16,949Dave Jones: And then I think oh,well, that's actually sent quite59900:36:16,949 --> 00:36:19,679a bit. So it makes me feelbetter. Because I'm like, Oh, I60000:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,769don't have to remember. Youknow, I just I just know I'm60100:36:22,769 --> 00:36:25,529always by just just bylistening, I am supporting60200:36:25,529 --> 00:36:25,739What's60300:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,880Adam Curry: your default? 100.My default has been 200 for a60400:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,750long time.60500:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,809Dave Jones: 200 sets of man,what does that come to about?60600:36:33,809 --> 00:36:35,129Like for an app per hour?60700:36:35,190 --> 00:36:37,560Adam Curry: I don't know. Ijust, I just like to number.60800:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,140Yeah, I really don't know. WhenI run out. I just look at what60900:36:43,140 --> 00:36:46,590do I have some shop somewhereelse? I'm sure I can fill it61000:36:46,590 --> 00:36:52,170fill up a wallet from somewhere.No, it's it just feels good. It61100:36:52,170 --> 00:36:55,080feels like it's all kind ofcoming together. I really like61200:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,340it. And did Sam announced hispod fans thing is that the61300:37:01,350 --> 00:37:03,300Dave Jones: big news and I wasthinking something like that.61400:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,270Maybe he was going to be somebig news, but I didn't hear61500:37:06,270 --> 00:37:07,080anything about it.61600:37:07,650 --> 00:37:10,290Adam Curry: And I think hedemoed it on stage with the with61700:37:10,290 --> 00:37:14,430Albie guys, but I'm not sureexactly. If he released it yet.61800:37:14,850 --> 00:37:19,680He may be waiting for podcast,podcast movement, London or61900:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,140whatever. How many of thesetimes are there?62000:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,800Dave Jones: On show London now.62100:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,950Adam Curry: From feedback, I cansay that we are saving or62200:37:31,950 --> 00:37:36,240creating lives daily as Icontinue to push back on the62300:37:36,240 --> 00:37:36,870pods62400:37:39,060 --> 00:37:41,160Dave Jones: will remind me whatpod was62500:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,610Adam Curry: pod speeding usedisorder. Yes, people who have62600:37:47,610 --> 00:37:50,220been speeding up their podcastlistening are now slowing it62700:37:50,220 --> 00:37:53,550down and finding they're lessanxious. Particularly that62800:37:53,550 --> 00:37:56,640there's you know, who was itthat sent me this? I think it62900:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,990was Chad F I think I don't wantto think it was Chad F who said63000:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,650that he has ADHD and then youknow, when he thought that63100:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,600speeding up podcast actuallyhelped his ADHD. And then when63200:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,320he slowed it down, he's like,Oh, wow. This is actually63300:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,770better.63400:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,530Dave Jones: Yeah, you think it'swhen you when you don't like put63500:38:19,530 --> 00:38:23,250gas on the fire? I think thatwould make you in the DSM five.63600:38:23,250 --> 00:38:25,140I think you're right or GP?Yeah.63700:38:26,850 --> 00:38:30,030Adam Curry: DSM five, itshouldn't be.63800:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,620Dave Jones: I think apps shouldon occasion. Just rant, just63900:38:34,620 --> 00:38:35,850take randomly.64000:38:36,570 --> 00:38:40,020Adam Curry: Maybe, maybe, DredScott not chata from sorry, I64100:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,320knew I was I knew I was breakingsome HIPAA violation there it64200:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,470was. Dred Scott. Yeah, dribslistening. I drive. That's64300:38:46,470 --> 00:38:49,740right. Sorry. I didn't mean togive you a disease to someone64400:38:49,740 --> 00:38:50,100else.64500:38:50,850 --> 00:38:55,290Dave Jones: He the podcast appshould just randomly slow it64600:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,510down. I basically do a lockout.64700:38:57,540 --> 00:39:00,780Adam Curry: I had an urge duringthat meeting with pocket cash to64800:39:00,780 --> 00:39:02,580say Hey, could you take offyou're speeding up because64900:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,890you're killing people. I reallyI really wanted to say something65000:39:04,890 --> 00:39:07,920like that. I had to bite mytongue. I had to bite my tongue.65100:39:08,490 --> 00:39:12,390Dave Jones: Your response? Thisis an epidemic. It is it a65200:39:12,390 --> 00:39:13,020crisis?65300:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,620Adam Curry: I think it is acrisis. And really is is not as65400:39:16,620 --> 00:39:17,340not healthy.65500:39:17,820 --> 00:39:21,630Dave Jones: I want to just whilewe're tangentially attached to65600:39:21,630 --> 00:39:27,750the V for V stats here. I wantto explain quickly because I had65700:39:27,750 --> 00:39:32,670a couple questions about it.Explained explain how the how65800:39:32,670 --> 00:39:37,140we're doing this calculationlike what what the 1% stuff is65900:39:37,410 --> 00:39:38,910like how how can we know66000:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,770Adam Curry: Oh, how do we how dowe how are we able to make a66100:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,900chart? Yeah, right. Yeah.66200:39:43,380 --> 00:39:50,460Dave Jones: So what this chartis showing is our best guess as66300:39:50,460 --> 00:39:58,470to how many sets are being paidin, in boosts in per streaming.66400:39:59,370 --> 00:40:06,180Pay prints on a day each day inthe way, the way that we can,66500:40:07,290 --> 00:40:11,310the way that we can know that,and I say no in quotes, the way66600:40:11,310 --> 00:40:17,190that we can know that is that wehave the shim in place for the66700:40:17,190 --> 00:40:22,290API. Because so many hostingcompanies do not support adding66800:40:22,290 --> 00:40:26,760a value blog to your feed. Soyou can go either onboard66900:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,870through founds enter contracts,or Satoshi stream, or add it67000:40:30,870 --> 00:40:34,530yourself manually the podcastand wallet.com. And you can get67100:40:34,530 --> 00:40:41,790your value blog into the API. Sothen, because that's such a67200:40:41,790 --> 00:40:48,090needed thing, a lot of the appswill check the API if there's a67300:40:48,090 --> 00:40:52,350value block for a feed, right?If the value blocks in the feed,67400:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,190and now this is important, ifthe value block is in the feed,67500:40:56,250 --> 00:41:02,250and the app sees it, they maynot check us. So at that moment,67600:41:02,610 --> 00:41:09,240in a situation like that,there's no 1%. So it could be67700:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,830that there are also before I gothere, let me let me just go67800:41:13,830 --> 00:41:17,910back to explaining what this is.So so take take that for what it67900:41:17,910 --> 00:41:24,390is, let's let's just say that wegenerally have sort of a 1% view68000:41:25,140 --> 00:41:31,890of most of the transactions thatare going on, right? The each68100:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,830transaction boost or streamingpayment has a to V record, which68200:41:37,830 --> 00:41:43,290is just which the content ofthis to V is a JSON blob, it has68300:41:43,290 --> 00:41:48,390much properties in it. One ofthe properties is the original68400:41:48,390 --> 00:41:52,950amount, in the reason thatthat's there. So like if I if I68500:41:52,950 --> 00:42:06,720boost 2112, to Satoshis, to podnews, then my app will also put68600:42:06,720 --> 00:42:12,120that number that 202,112, it'llput that number in the JSON of68700:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,970the TLV record and propertycalled set in SATs original68800:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,350amount, I think is the name ofthe property. And so it will put68900:42:22,350 --> 00:42:28,380that in there and so that oncefees are taken out on the way to69000:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,870his destination, the receivingapplication like contracts69100:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,330Satoshis, Dream hella pad,whatever. Saturn can know what69200:42:39,330 --> 00:42:42,630the original amount was, inorder to preserve numerology.69300:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,230Yeah, which was69400:42:43,230 --> 00:42:45,510Adam Curry: really important,which is why we get the three,69500:42:45,510 --> 00:42:50,730three threes to 6969 to 1776,all that stuff. And that is69600:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,070magical. But that was put inearly.69700:42:53,940 --> 00:42:59,070Dave Jones: So the the originalamount is always listed in that69800:42:59,070 --> 00:43:04,590JSON blob. So that the data ispreserved. And therefore we can69900:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,130know, even though we're onlygetting 1%, which a lot of times70000:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,730it's not even 1%. It's just, itends up being like one sad Yeah,70100:43:12,330 --> 00:43:18,420that we that we get becausecalculations are hard. And so we70200:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,000may only get one set, but we cansee that what was originally70300:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,220sent was 2112, or a million orwhatever this this amount was.70400:43:26,580 --> 00:43:31,140So we just run out, I just haveit export all the transactions70500:43:31,140 --> 00:43:37,710out and add up, do a run to do asum on all of the original70600:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,300amounts. And that will tell usout of all the transactions we70700:43:42,300 --> 00:43:48,000saw how what the total value ofall of them put together was70800:43:48,030 --> 00:43:53,160right. But that doesn't meanthat we see all of it because it70900:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,850it is it is 100% voluntary Evafor people that use the API,71000:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,970that we have no way to enforcethem. We we never will and we71100:43:59,970 --> 00:44:05,280don't want to. But and thenthere's also some apps that read71200:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,570the feed directly. And so theythey're under no even sort of71300:44:09,570 --> 00:44:13,620ethical obligation to do that.They're just doing it71400:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,500themselves. So there, that'swhat I mean, when I put in the71500:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,740stats page that it could be itcould be that at the end, the71600:44:19,740 --> 00:44:24,210value is higher, it could bethat is much higher. And because71700:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,030if there was one person using anapp that tried that boosted71800:44:30,030 --> 00:44:32,640somebody, and let's just saythat at that moment, our split71900:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,130failed, or let's say that theirapp did not send a split or72000:44:35,130 --> 00:44:36,900Adam Curry: whatever. And wedon't we don't we're not able to72100:44:36,900 --> 00:44:37,500track that.72200:44:37,950 --> 00:44:42,480Dave Jones: And what if it was 5million sets? So we don't and we72300:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,170have gotten the 5 million setboost before from Peter Yes, we72400:44:46,170 --> 00:44:50,790have. Those things do happen. Soit's very possible that this72500:44:50,790 --> 00:44:54,960number is is is low, it'sactually very likely that is72600:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,120low. It could be very low, butwe do know that it's at least To72700:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,330this much, that's for sure.Because we're not getting72800:45:03,750 --> 00:45:08,430anytime we get a split. Thedevalue went, the transaction72900:45:08,460 --> 00:45:11,610took place. So we know that it'sat least this much anyway. And73000:45:11,670 --> 00:45:14,340that may be painstaking to gothrough. But I think it's73100:45:14,340 --> 00:45:14,730important for73200:45:14,730 --> 00:45:17,460Adam Curry: now No, no, no, no,it only it only was fun if you73300:45:17,460 --> 00:45:20,250now explain how all the splitswork and how you then put a73400:45:20,250 --> 00:45:22,950copy, put those all together andthen divide them just to go with73500:45:22,950 --> 00:45:24,510let's go through that again.That was fun.73600:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,220Dave Jones: Okay, let's talkabout what fees are.73700:45:26,250 --> 00:45:27,750Adam Curry: I'm just kidding.Stop.73800:45:27,780 --> 00:45:28,770Dave Jones: I'm kidding. I'mkidding.73900:45:30,690 --> 00:45:35,130Adam Curry: Oh, will weeventually go? Or have you been?74000:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,490Evie, do you have any thoughtson going to a show level and74100:45:38,490 --> 00:45:45,030putting out a, like a, like aTop? Top receiving shows without74200:45:45,030 --> 00:45:48,120disclosing the number, I wouldsay, but just to show what shows74300:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,090had been boosted the most, orreceiving the most payments?74400:45:51,870 --> 00:45:53,820Dave Jones: Yeah, I think we cando lots of stuff. I mean, I74500:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,200think the most ince, I guess themost exciting ones, to me74600:45:58,230 --> 00:46:02,790initially are just like theseraw aggregates, like, how many?74700:46:02,820 --> 00:46:06,990How many total sets per day? Howmany total transactions, SATs74800:46:06,990 --> 00:46:12,960per listener, maybe SATs pershow, in different tiers this?74900:46:13,410 --> 00:46:16,950And then like maybe later on, wecan look at the like you said,75000:46:16,950 --> 00:46:19,470just we got to make sure atevery step that it's highly75100:46:19,470 --> 00:46:21,540anonymized. Yeah. Yeah,75200:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,120Adam Curry: I like it. And Ithink this is very, very cool.75300:46:24,180 --> 00:46:25,830I'm digging it. I'm really I'mdigging it.75400:46:27,330 --> 00:46:30,150Dave Jones: Yeah, Eric, I willput it I will put it open75500:46:30,150 --> 00:46:34,500source. It's just super simple.I mean, really, you could right75600:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,770click the page and view sourceon it. And you're just seeing it75700:46:37,770 --> 00:46:40,440all. There's really nothingthere. Yeah.75800:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,320Adam Curry: So yeah. So it's anindication that's what we're75900:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,480saying. Because we really, wereally don't know what we're76000:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,060missing. We don't know what whatpayments fail all kinds of76100:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,820stuff. I mean, as always, it'sit's running with scissors76200:46:50,820 --> 00:46:51,420estimate.76300:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,760Dave Jones: Nathan, Nathangathright, we just played fee76400:46:56,760 --> 00:47:04,470chick and to see who would backout first. It was funny. That76500:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,920was speaking to Nathan, we gotunless you got some you know,76600:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,790now go ahead. Go ahead. We needto talk about the update76700:47:11,790 --> 00:47:15,360frequency. Okay, are you awareof the update frequency?76800:47:15,420 --> 00:47:20,730Adam Curry: I've seen the GitHubwas it recommendation suggestion76900:47:20,730 --> 00:47:23,370issue, whatever it is. I'd loveto hear more.77000:47:24,930 --> 00:47:30,030Dave Jones: So the the updatefrequency. I'm trying to pull77100:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,840the font is post where he linksto his new tool here. Oh, there77200:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,030it is. Okay, so it's update dashfrequency. Dot versal dot app,77300:47:39,060 --> 00:47:44,670which just flies off the tongue.Yeah. is updated frequently on77400:47:44,670 --> 00:47:44,970dash77500:47:44,970 --> 00:47:47,490Adam Curry: frequency.vs l77600:47:47,490 --> 00:47:49,740Dave Jones: ve r c e l dot app?What is77700:47:49,740 --> 00:47:52,320Adam Curry: this Marcel appthing? Why why are people using77800:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960that? What does this thing do?Hmm.77900:47:55,230 --> 00:47:57,690Dave Jones: I guess it's somesort of like things like, kind78000:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,870of like, what was that? Was thatold thing where you get Heroku?78100:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,440I think it's like,78200:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,940Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I gotcha.78300:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,770Dave Jones: I gotcha. Hostednode service.78400:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,490Adam Curry: Okay, cool. Got it.Yeah. All right. So now I see.78500:48:12,150 --> 00:48:15,930Starting on 310 2023 repeatingdaily, and then what does it78600:48:15,930 --> 00:48:16,650give me here?78700:48:19,020 --> 00:48:23,040Dave Jones: Yeah, so this, theI'm just read from his from his78800:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,210pull request, it says in spiritof taking platform specific78900:48:27,210 --> 00:48:29,100innovations and making themaccessible to the open79000:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,340ecosystem, horses, the intent ofthis proposal is to replicate79100:48:32,340 --> 00:48:35,730the purpose of the updatefrequency field, in Apple79200:48:35,730 --> 00:48:40,530podcasts connect, as well asreplace the iTunes complete tag79300:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,410for podcasts that have nointention to release further79400:48:43,410 --> 00:48:45,660episodes. So straight offstraight away. I like it,79500:48:45,660 --> 00:48:47,970because you're combining youtaking taking the tag79600:48:47,970 --> 00:48:50,970Adam Curry: tags. Right, right.Right, right. Okay. Oh, I see79700:48:50,970 --> 00:48:54,780what's going on here. So itbasically given me the code for79800:48:54,810 --> 00:48:59,820this repeat or non repeatingfrequency update. And then I put79900:48:59,820 --> 00:49:04,050that into that tag, and thenthat tells apps when this80000:49:04,050 --> 00:49:07,200updates if it updates if it'llnever update, etc.80100:49:08,070 --> 00:49:13,500Dave Jones: Yep. See, says undercertain conditions or naive80200:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,100algorithms, it can be inaccurateto know to predict future80300:49:17,100 --> 00:49:22,500releases. So he says, basically,there is there's a node, the pod80400:49:22,530 --> 00:49:28,170the tag is podcast colon updatefrequency, and there is a node80500:49:28,170 --> 00:49:32,010value. The note value is afreeform string, which might be80600:49:32,010 --> 00:49:35,280displayed alongside otherinformation about the podcast.80700:49:35,670 --> 00:49:39,330Please do not exceed 128characters. And then your80800:49:39,330 --> 00:49:43,350attributes are complete. Whichis a Boolean that just says80900:49:43,350 --> 00:49:49,860yesterday if true, false, yes,no. DT start the date or time81000:49:49,860 --> 00:49:53,550that the recurrence rule begins.So if the row contains a value81100:49:53,550 --> 00:49:56,100for count, then this attributeis required if the rule contains81200:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,740a value for until so this justbasically describes your Your81300:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,940release schedule. And I like it.I think it's fairly easy to81400:50:08,940 --> 00:50:10,650parse shouldn't be too hard.81500:50:11,219 --> 00:50:13,979Adam Curry: And this is mainlyfor who does this benefit this81600:50:13,979 --> 00:50:14,429tag?81700:50:15,660 --> 00:50:19,140Dave Jones: It benefitsaggregators apps. Okay. Because81800:50:19,170 --> 00:50:22,680if you know, we'll have the, youknow, complete is obvious.81900:50:24,030 --> 00:50:26,310Because it's like, okay, well,this Yeah, never, there's never82000:50:26,310 --> 00:50:28,830Adam Curry: been, I don't haveto pull it out, although it82100:50:28,860 --> 00:50:32,010shows kind of a crutch alongsidewith POD ping.82200:50:35,220 --> 00:50:39,000Dave Jones: It could, it couldbe well, okay, so in relation to82300:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,700pod paying an app like a taglike this, I think there's an82400:50:44,700 --> 00:50:50,310implicit recognition thateverybody is still going to run82500:50:50,310 --> 00:50:55,350aggregators to a certain degree.And if we do we still aggregate82600:50:55,350 --> 00:51:02,790Sure. So you know, we have therecould be out here, there could82700:51:02,790 --> 00:51:05,490be downtime, there could be, youknow, just all kinds of reasons,82800:51:05,490 --> 00:51:08,340I think there's still going tobe aggregation going on. So in82900:51:08,340 --> 00:51:14,520that world, you have, you havethis tag, which is a more sort83000:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,790of a more descriptive way ofdoing it, then what the apple83100:51:17,790 --> 00:51:18,750tag accomplishes.83200:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,210Adam Curry: Well, it's good justto have that, because we want a83300:51:24,210 --> 00:51:27,750drop in replacement for the forthe Apple iTunes namespace83400:51:27,750 --> 00:51:31,290anyway. Correct? Right. That'sbeen your vision.83500:51:32,490 --> 00:51:37,050Dave Jones: Yeah, my vision is,we were and we're actually83600:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,430pretty well on our way toreplicating it. When I look at83700:51:41,430 --> 00:51:47,340at iTunes tags. If you look inthe podcast namespace, there's83800:51:47,340 --> 00:51:52,680some tags in there, like episodeand season, that are also iTunes83900:51:52,680 --> 00:52:01,200tags. And my thinking from dayone has been, we should we84000:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,170should replace or replicate theiTunes tags. So that eventually,84100:52:08,010 --> 00:52:14,850we can sort of do a direct dropin replacement of the podcast84200:52:14,850 --> 00:52:20,250namespace on top of iTunes. Andthen we have and then, and then84300:52:20,250 --> 00:52:24,810from the feed publisherstandpoint, you don't lose84400:52:24,810 --> 00:52:30,420anything. You don't lose anyfunctionality. You it's just84500:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,920basically you just swap. It'slike It's like Harrison Ford.84600:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,380It's like Indiana Jones, youjust want you know, you take the84700:52:37,410 --> 00:52:40,980you take the the treasure offand you put sandbag on, and84800:52:40,980 --> 00:52:50,580you're good. So then, if we dropthat in, for going down the list84900:52:50,580 --> 00:52:54,900and saying for each tag, ratherthan just replicate what's85000:52:54,900 --> 00:52:59,160already there, it sure would benice. And I think it shouldn't85100:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,890be sort of required. Did in eachinstance, we only replace that85200:53:04,890 --> 00:53:09,690tag, again, playing the longgame here. We only replace that85300:53:09,690 --> 00:53:13,230tag, if we can come up with anidea that enhances it to some85400:53:13,230 --> 00:53:19,230degree. It's about season wereplaced season. But we also85500:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,720added the ability to have anamed season so we added an85600:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,370attribute to it. Right. Okay.Right.85700:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,610Adam Curry: Which we basicallydid by request for NPR and they85800:53:26,610 --> 00:53:31,110never picked it up. Yes. And nowand now and now they're85900:53:31,110 --> 00:53:32,460bankrupt. Okay. All right.86000:53:35,340 --> 00:53:44,190Dave Jones: Great. Yeah. Thanks,guys. Well, Captivate just blew86100:53:44,190 --> 00:53:46,890it wide open with all thesetiming, they just released the86200:53:46,950 --> 00:53:47,370flood.86300:53:48,660 --> 00:53:50,910Adam Curry: And I love theirwhole explanation of like, hey,86400:53:50,910 --> 00:53:54,480you know, this thing is ready togo. We're doing it. We're just86500:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,420casting everything aside, screwit. And I think, you know,86600:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,350probably blueberry has somethingto do with that. You know, you86700:54:01,350 --> 00:54:04,200know what I'm really loving?Because I do I try to do the86800:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,650triage for podcasts indexsupport, which has increased86900:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,310significantly, but he but Ismile every single time I get I87000:54:14,310 --> 00:54:19,020get something like this. Couldyou please remove my show? From87100:54:19,050 --> 00:54:24,090all platforms? Yeah, that'sgreat. But no, it makes me it87200:54:24,090 --> 00:54:27,300makes me happy because thatmeans that we have brand87300:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,000awareness. People have Oh,podcasts index, that's where all87400:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,240the stuff goes. That's whereeveryone gets it from podcasts87500:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,720index. They control all that,which we don't, but I like that87600:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,060people think we do. Because it'simportant. And one day we will87700:54:42,060 --> 00:54:45,690of course, obviously everyonewill be pulling off either the87800:54:45,690 --> 00:54:50,430index or off a copy of theindex. Because no one has the87900:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,670inputs that we have, which ofcourse is you know, everything88000:54:53,670 --> 00:54:57,060from this from the Swedishtrickler to you know, just88100:54:57,060 --> 00:54:59,730anyone showing up withsomething. We've got so many88200:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,250some many really cool input.Benjamin Bellamy has also been88300:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,950put a lot of the French stuffthat's getting in there. So no88400:55:07,950 --> 00:55:10,860one has that. Especially theFrench they don't they don't88500:55:10,860 --> 00:55:14,370even want to be on on Apple forsome reason. They just like that88600:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,950niche is Mac that I not do it inbigger Bay, Apple bombs.88700:55:20,250 --> 00:55:22,410Dave Jones: See this happens intech support with Help Desk88800:55:22,410 --> 00:55:26,730stuff to people will come down,like users will come down to the88900:55:26,730 --> 00:55:31,020help desk and say, hey, they'relooking, they're sort of like89000:55:31,020 --> 00:55:32,700looking around looking overtheir shoulder and they say,89100:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,600Hey, I just want John to knowthat. That website I just went89200:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,950to that was a total accident.Yeah, I didn't know what was89300:55:40,950 --> 00:55:44,670going to be that. And there'sthis implicit assumption that89400:55:44,670 --> 00:55:47,700you're watching everything thatthey do, and that like it, but89500:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,860you're, of course you're not. Imean, there's like, you can't89600:55:49,890 --> 00:55:52,650see much volume. You can see allthis stuff, of course, but you89700:55:52,650 --> 00:55:56,010never tell them that, though,that the proper answer to that89800:55:56,010 --> 00:55:58,650is, it's okay, this time, justdon't let it happen again.89900:55:59,549 --> 00:56:03,569Adam Curry: I was, I was amazedby I think you might have sent90000:56:03,569 --> 00:56:07,229me this. Or maybe I saw it.Marco posted the general90100:56:07,229 --> 00:56:09,989guidelines for Apple apps andcontent.90200:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,180Dave Jones: And one of thosestyle guide or what yeah,90300:56:15,210 --> 00:56:17,850Adam Curry: what did they callit here? Think inclusively90400:56:17,850 --> 00:56:21,480research words. So that this iswhich is fine. By the way, I'm90500:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,270okay with you know, whatever. Idon't know if this is the90600:56:24,270 --> 00:56:27,480guidelines means you have to doit, or this is just what they90700:56:27,480 --> 00:56:33,180recommend. But there's a lot ofthings. Like, don't describe90800:56:33,180 --> 00:56:36,450technology using terms that areinherently inherently violent,90900:56:36,450 --> 00:56:41,430like, kill or hang. It's likekill off a process, I got a91000:56:41,430 --> 00:56:44,850process it's hanging, don't useterms like master and slave.91100:56:44,850 --> 00:56:47,340Well, that's been around for along time was describing91200:56:47,340 --> 00:56:51,900oppressive human relationship.But then like avoid idioms and91300:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,750colloquial expressions, commonsayings, like fall through the91400:56:54,750 --> 00:56:59,370cracks on the same page backseatdriver can add flavor to writing91500:56:59,370 --> 00:57:01,650but can also be difficult tounderstand for people who are91600:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,100learning the language if yourcontent is localized. So I see91700:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,250all these things are very, veryconcerned about everyone's91800:57:08,250 --> 00:57:12,570feelings about everyone'sabilities. And to me, I just91900:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,710look read this thing we're like,how can you not be displaying92000:57:16,710 --> 00:57:23,550transcripts? If this is yourinclusive guideline? Where are92100:57:23,550 --> 00:57:26,490you and I'm not talking aboutpeople who have disabilities, of92200:57:26,490 --> 00:57:29,940course, they're their top of thelist and I am is someone who92300:57:29,940 --> 00:57:33,480actually had a hearingdisability, it's improved by you92400:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,620know, my, my my dentalprocedure. So I got but I lived92500:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,670for five years with hearingaids. But that that is not the92600:57:41,670 --> 00:57:46,710main thing that I get the mostcommon from people who are not92700:57:46,740 --> 00:57:50,100English native English speakerswho say I really enjoy having92800:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,430the transcript running alongsideyou know, if I don't catch92900:57:53,430 --> 00:57:58,140something I can I can see it, Ican kind of decipher the word or93000:57:58,140 --> 00:58:02,100I know how to spell the wordthat this is exactly what should93100:58:02,100 --> 00:58:05,370be in this general guidelineyet. I don't see any transcripts93200:58:05,370 --> 00:58:06,630in Apple's App.93300:58:07,950 --> 00:58:10,530Dave Jones: I don't understandwhy you would not why you would93400:58:10,530 --> 00:58:15,030encourage people not to usecolloquialisms because like when93500:58:15,030 --> 00:58:17,730you're learning a secondlanguage, the thing that you93600:58:17,730 --> 00:58:20,790want to know the most is the isthe colloquialisms in the other93700:58:20,790 --> 00:58:23,670language you want because thathelps you sound native.93800:58:24,210 --> 00:58:26,910Adam Curry: Well, transcriptscan do just that. Even if the93900:58:26,910 --> 00:58:31,170app itself won't chromed I'mjust shaming people here.94000:58:31,950 --> 00:58:33,240Dave Jones: Okay, and I'm I'm on94100:58:33,330 --> 00:58:35,640Adam Curry: Apple on front appleon front.94200:58:37,230 --> 00:58:40,170Dave Jones: I behind this move,and now94300:58:40,170 --> 00:58:42,660Adam Curry: that we know thatPocket Cast is going to do it94400:58:42,660 --> 00:58:44,910who's going to want to be leftbehind now? Hmm.94500:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640Dave Jones: Well, just don't saygrandfathered in. Allowed.94600:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480Adam Curry: Did I read thatSpotify? I haven't. I'm sure I94700:58:57,480 --> 00:59:05,610read this. The Spotify was nowsupporting chapters but not the94800:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,270not the podcast namespace butwhere it originally came from?94900:59:10,860 --> 00:59:13,440Because it was from a differentnamespace if I recall.95000:59:14,370 --> 00:59:17,250Dave Jones: I don't know what Ididn't see that. What do95100:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,560Adam Curry: you remember when wefirst saw chapters? That's why95200:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,850we incorporated it from theoriginal namespace was a small95300:59:23,850 --> 00:59:26,160namespace and don't youremember?95400:59:26,610 --> 00:59:28,260Dave Jones: Oh, no, I know whatyou're talking about. You're95500:59:28,260 --> 00:59:29,880talking about pod love the YES,95600:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,070Adam Curry: YES. YES. YES. YES.YES. YES. YES. That's95700:59:32,070 --> 00:59:35,130Dave Jones: it for that. I thinkso. Yeah. No, yeah.95800:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,980Adam Curry: I saw I saw a reportabout it today. Let me see if I95900:59:37,980 --> 00:59:46,740can find it. Because I'm so surethat I saw an article cross my96000:59:46,770 --> 00:59:49,440my desk today about that. Maybejust96100:59:49,650 --> 00:59:53,790Dave Jones: very few. There'svery few feeds that even have96200:59:53,790 --> 00:59:54,300that.96300:59:56,610 --> 00:59:59,310Adam Curry: Probably why Spotifysupports it. What can we do with96400:59:59,310 --> 01:00:01,920it? Oh, that'll work. For nobodyoh let's use this96501:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,550Dave Jones: yeah well Nathanjust linked over to by the way96601:00:05,550 --> 01:00:08,760Nathan I just merged your pullrequest. Oh,96701:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,880Adam Curry: I told you I knewI'd read this somewhere Swiss96801:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,210doc social Okay, what do we havehere? Even though there there96901:00:15,210 --> 01:00:17,340Dave Jones: are some of theseissues Spotify have finally97001:00:17,340 --> 01:00:19,770implemented pod lifts and bookchapters after having them in97101:00:19,770 --> 01:00:23,070their spec for years huh weird97201:00:23,310 --> 01:00:24,600Adam Curry: Okay interesting97301:00:26,550 --> 01:00:30,090Dave Jones: all right this thisthe chapter wars chapter wars97401:00:30,180 --> 01:00:35,370Adam Curry: Yeah, well, Spotifyin general I think doing a Hail97501:00:35,370 --> 01:00:41,280Mary but Spotify for podcastersthey did not they they finally97601:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,980incorporated the albatross knownas anchor into into their97701:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,620system. So we'll see if theywhat they start to do with that.97801:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,470People seem excited that peoplewho write blogs seem excited97901:00:55,470 --> 01:00:55,980about it.98001:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,750Dave Jones: That's an odd move.The why they haven't they Well,98101:01:00,750 --> 01:01:04,260they support they supporttimestamp chapters. In the show98201:01:04,260 --> 01:01:11,070notes. They support pod lovechapters in the feed. Do Do they98301:01:11,070 --> 01:01:16,500support any chapters that areactually de support mp398401:01:16,500 --> 01:01:17,190chapters?98501:01:17,700 --> 01:01:20,190Adam Curry: I don't think so. Ihave no idea. No, I Yeah.98601:01:20,490 --> 01:01:22,290Dave Jones: They seem to begoing about this in a very98701:01:22,290 --> 01:01:23,490roundabout way. Yeah.98801:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,220Adam Curry: Well as I thoughtyou meant that weird move was98901:01:26,220 --> 01:01:32,160the was doing the Spotify forpodcasters. I think that that is99001:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,440the only move they had left.Yeah, and I wonder man, I wonder99101:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,220if if, if there's going to berenewal of Rogan. I really99201:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,450wonder? Not from his side. Ithink he's enjoying it.99301:01:45,810 --> 01:01:48,630Dave Jones: But if there's gonnajust can't afford him.99401:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,220Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, willhe? Man he, I gotta tell you,99501:01:53,730 --> 01:01:56,670Tina and I went to the openingof his his comedy club in99601:01:56,670 --> 01:01:59,700Austin. I didn't know he is openat a comedy club. Yeah, it's99701:01:59,700 --> 01:02:04,380called comedy mothership. It'sthe old Ritz theatre. We and99801:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,630it's beautiful. I mean, he's got250 seats in the main room. And99901:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,960he's got, you know, like a greenroom and a private bar, and then100001:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,980a little small room. And, and ofcourse, you know, he knows how100101:02:16,980 --> 01:02:21,480to how to do VIP stuff. So wegot total total blow job all the100201:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,860way through is great. But what Isaw was, and he's been100301:02:25,860 --> 01:02:29,460performing every night, I saw aguy who was really enjoying100401:02:29,460 --> 01:02:33,120himself. And I just wonder ifyou're, if you're on stage, and100501:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,250you're, you know, you're notgoing to be home until midnight100601:02:35,250 --> 01:02:39,180or one every night. And then thenext day, you're doing one or100701:02:39,180 --> 01:02:42,630two, three hour interviews. Imean, at what point do you have100801:02:42,630 --> 01:02:44,040to give one or the other up?100901:02:45,570 --> 01:02:47,940Dave Jones: It's true, you know,so it's just bootstrapping this101001:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,160thing with himself and he'sgonna get bigger artists and and101101:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,270back off. Oh, no,101201:02:51,270 --> 01:02:53,730Adam Curry: no, no, no, this isnot a bootstrap. This was a101301:02:53,730 --> 01:02:56,760success out of the gate. He'sgot show sold out for months,101401:02:56,790 --> 01:03:00,330not not even his own. Yeah, hehad Roseanne Barr do a set he101501:03:00,330 --> 01:03:04,890had. Tim Dylan, of course, islocal boy. But he's got all101601:03:04,890 --> 01:03:07,080kinds of now. He's, he'sbringing he's bringing the101701:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,370comedians in, is that you know,a lot of the people who work101801:03:11,370 --> 01:03:15,120there come from the, you know,from the Comedy Store kind of101901:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,020community, which closed in LosAngeles, which was Mitzi shore,102001:03:19,020 --> 01:03:22,470Pauly shores, mom, she ran that.And so he even hired a lot of102101:03:22,470 --> 01:03:24,090the staff that run that place.102201:03:24,570 --> 01:03:26,520Dave Jones: So they justforklift it to that ILA and102301:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,390dropped it in Austin102401:03:27,450 --> 01:03:30,240Adam Curry: the staff but not Imean, it's a comedy club is a102501:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640comedy club, but this is youknow, it's new. It's beautiful.102601:03:32,670 --> 01:03:38,160And, and from what I can tell,it's just slamming Nice. So this102701:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,640is no Bootstrap. This is out ofthe gates success. It's pretty102801:03:41,640 --> 01:03:41,970amazing. Well,102901:03:41,970 --> 01:03:46,290Dave Jones: that may I guess, Iguess the he'll back off at some103001:03:46,290 --> 01:03:49,350point and be doing there. Yeah,103101:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,300Adam Curry: gotta back off ofsomething. I just think you103201:03:51,300 --> 01:03:57,690know, it's like hey, I'm 58 I'mtired. Imagine this Joe 5455103301:03:58,410 --> 01:04:00,750It's only a few years behindonly a few years behind.103401:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,980Dave Jones: Yeah, I was thinkingI had written down you know103501:04:04,980 --> 01:04:07,140about anchor i don't know idon't know what you know, of103601:04:07,140 --> 01:04:10,230course we we knew they wouldkill the brand because the brand103701:04:10,230 --> 01:04:12,330was Yeah, terrible but103801:04:13,740 --> 01:04:16,200Adam Curry: but all the dealsyou know, they're kind of103901:04:16,230 --> 01:04:18,720slowing that down if notshutting it down. It certainly104001:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,060wasn't successful the way youknow they don't have the numbers104101:04:21,060 --> 01:04:24,660to show for it. So maybe they'refinally going to go for the104201:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,680recommended strategy is leteverybody in you know caught him104301:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,680in on some ad money if you canif you can sell it which I don't104401:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,190think my experience is doesn'twork because advertisers just104501:04:35,190 --> 01:04:40,320don't want to advertise on onpodcast that could not be brand104601:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,950safe. It's a very hard sell.I've been there done that104701:04:47,100 --> 01:04:51,090Dave Jones: well, I'm the thesee what I had something else104801:04:51,090 --> 01:04:56,520we're angry grim mushy here. Oh,yeah, channels. We're gonna talk104901:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,240about channels versus105001:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,390Adam Curry: making sure this isthis is one that I I'm not so105101:05:00,390 --> 01:05:04,440sure. I agree with the channels.And this is another namespace105201:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,550tag.105301:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,140Dave Jones: I would like to hearyour, your idea of what you105401:05:10,140 --> 01:05:11,850think channels is and right now?105501:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,300Adam Curry: Ah, that's a good?That's a good question. I think105601:05:15,300 --> 01:05:20,370channels are a way to put acollection of podcasts for105701:05:20,370 --> 01:05:25,080whatever reason into a singleentity or at least to be able to105801:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,550recognize that these podcastsbelong to this channel. So that105901:05:29,550 --> 01:05:35,760could be possibly like anetwork, like, okay, these are106001:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,320all the all the cool podcaststhat are in my network, and106101:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,470maybe they would also put thischannel into their feed. So you106201:05:43,470 --> 01:05:48,480can have this kind of crossreference. Is I'm anywhere near106301:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,050the mark?106401:05:49,590 --> 01:05:53,130Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, you'reclose. Yeah, that's pretty much106501:05:53,550 --> 01:05:58,320what the intent is to say, havesome facility to say these.106601:06:00,390 --> 01:06:04,500Let's just say five feedsactually all belong to the same106701:06:05,220 --> 01:06:06,210in entity.106801:06:07,410 --> 01:06:09,330Adam Curry: Person wheneverwe've kind of slipped into106901:06:09,330 --> 01:06:13,800something without officiallyplaying. And now it's time for107001:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,760some hot namespace or make sureeveryone knows why they're all107101:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,750turned on right now.107201:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,830Dave Jones: We just went rightthrough the beat door, I know.107301:06:26,130 --> 01:06:31,200With a left handed cigarette,and then he was stuck. So that's107401:06:31,230 --> 01:06:35,040yeah, that's the idea is thatyou would say, okay, these feeds107501:06:35,040 --> 01:06:42,390all belong to either a person ora publisher, whatever. And107601:06:43,380 --> 01:06:47,790there's you, you can, I thinkyou could probably imagine107701:06:47,820 --> 01:06:50,910various ways to do it. Now, you,you said you have a problem with107801:06:50,910 --> 01:06:53,370it, do you have a problem withthe technical implementation or107901:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,110just the whole idea in general,and just the108001:06:55,110 --> 01:06:57,060Adam Curry: whole idea ingeneral, I mean, I'm not quite108101:06:57,060 --> 01:07:01,110sure how it differs from like arecord to me, it would be more108201:07:01,110 --> 01:07:05,400like a recommendation than achannel a channel just reminds108301:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,580me of a YouTube channel, so I'mjust just irks me no matter108401:07:08,580 --> 01:07:17,220what. You know, so do I do I puta channel? So these are all my108501:07:17,220 --> 01:07:20,610podcasts now, there'll be wildlydifferent. The only thing is I108601:07:20,610 --> 01:07:23,550produce them all. So there's mayfor podcasts? Is that Is that108701:07:23,550 --> 01:07:30,090what a channel? Is? It? Can I asa can I create a new feed, and108801:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,760just put a bunch of channels inthere of people I just like that108901:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,620don't even agree to be in mychannel.109001:07:37,470 --> 01:07:41,880Dave Jones: You can that's, thatwould be more of a playlist,109101:07:42,810 --> 01:07:48,450where you are choosing a bunchof, of different content to put109201:07:48,450 --> 01:07:51,810to group together, sort ofthat's like a play, that would109301:07:51,810 --> 01:07:57,180be the playlist. The channel ismore of this is all coming from109401:07:57,180 --> 01:07:59,070the same producing entity.109501:07:59,340 --> 01:08:01,200Adam Curry: And How's itdifferent from the author tag?109601:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,030Dave Jones: Well, the author tagis not always accurate. It's109701:08:09,030 --> 01:08:14,940limited. So for instance, itdoesn't give an it doesn't give109801:08:14,940 --> 01:08:21,030enough granularity. So forinstance, in this case, I think109901:08:21,030 --> 01:08:25,620the author tag for no agendasays, Adam Korean Jhansi Dvorak,110001:08:26,010 --> 01:08:28,980yeah, author tag for this showwould say something different.110101:08:28,980 --> 01:08:31,590So you really can't associatethe two says podcast110201:08:31,590 --> 01:08:34,320Adam Curry: index, LLC, I thinkthank you.110301:08:35,100 --> 01:08:38,220Dave Jones: So you, there'sreally nothing in the in the110401:08:38,220 --> 01:08:42,570feed that assists in thishappen. I mean, this, this110501:08:42,570 --> 01:08:48,900definitely happens. So you havesomebody who's like, I just want110601:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,980to I'm gonna listen, I want tolisten to all of the shows by110701:08:52,980 --> 01:08:57,270this group. Even though all theshows in that group may have110801:08:57,270 --> 01:09:00,960different authors different,like, like, I want us, you have110901:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,020these things that happen withthis, this sort of111001:09:05,730 --> 01:09:09,810bastardization of the channelconcept that has grown up over111101:09:09,810 --> 01:09:15,930the years, where you have amonolithic feed, the all shows111201:09:15,930 --> 01:09:19,500the Do you know this where it'slike? So Jupiter broadcasting111301:09:19,500 --> 01:09:19,980will have111401:09:20,009 --> 01:09:22,469Adam Curry: Sure, yeah, yeah, Iknow exactly what you're talking111501:09:22,469 --> 01:09:24,539Okay. In that case, yeah. Allright. All right.111601:09:25,290 --> 01:09:28,980Dave Jones: This, this wouldreplace that. But you're trying111701:09:28,980 --> 01:09:34,290to avoid those kinds of sort ofsynthetic feeds that aren't111801:09:34,290 --> 01:09:40,590real. And there's a few waysthat we discussed doing it. You111901:09:40,590 --> 01:09:46,440can have you could have it be anexternal, something external112001:09:46,440 --> 01:09:52,290like a JSON file, where thisJSON file is referenced by each112101:09:52,290 --> 01:09:59,220of the feeds that are that arein the channel. And then if you112201:09:59,220 --> 01:10:04,260follow or the the reference tothe JSON and go get that JSON,112301:10:04,950 --> 01:10:10,650you can then see a list of allthe debt that JSON basically is112401:10:10,650 --> 01:10:14,250the channel and it says, okay,these five 610 20 files,112501:10:14,610 --> 01:10:17,400different feed URLs, these areall these are all our chat. This112601:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,150is our channel112701:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,500Adam Curry: who created thisproposal?112801:10:21,210 --> 01:10:25,410Dave Jones: Kevin from thisroute, originally, he came up112901:10:25,410 --> 01:10:28,050with the idea and then we, wehashed out a few different ways113001:10:28,050 --> 01:10:28,620to go on it.113101:10:28,950 --> 01:10:30,930Adam Curry: What I would like isI'd like people to implement113201:10:30,930 --> 01:10:34,620cross app comments, and thenI'll be happy with everything113301:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,560else we want to do. I'm worriedthat we're getting a little, we113401:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,200get ahead and in the weeds, andeveryone's excited about113501:10:40,410 --> 01:10:44,400creating new tags, but theimplementation is so far behind.113601:10:45,660 --> 01:10:49,290Dave Jones: Well, the crosscomments is, it's, it's got a113701:10:49,290 --> 01:10:50,940life of its own, it'sprogressing113801:10:51,030 --> 01:10:55,230Adam Curry: it very happy to seeit on, on the website, but I'd113901:10:55,230 --> 01:11:00,990love to be able to just respondin pod verse or anything, and114001:11:00,990 --> 01:11:05,760is, am I right? And seeing thatfountain doesn't show114101:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,550transcripts? Am I'm just missingwhere it is.114201:11:10,020 --> 01:11:13,530Dave Jones: I don't know if theydo or not. I don't let as a114301:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,000question, I do not know theanswer to114401:11:15,420 --> 01:11:21,390Adam Curry: Okay. So I know it.It. I love all these tags. But114501:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,990I'm also very close to theimplementation. Like, okay, when114601:11:24,990 --> 01:11:26,700are we going to do certainthings?114701:11:27,540 --> 01:11:32,520Dave Jones: I guess you and me,we just got to do I mean, like,114801:11:33,150 --> 01:11:37,860we just have to wait for this.This is the delay between the114901:11:37,860 --> 01:11:43,890content gets made. And then wehave to wait for the apps to115001:11:43,890 --> 01:11:44,460catch up.115101:11:44,670 --> 01:11:47,250Adam Curry: But I totally,totally agree. I'm just worried115201:11:47,250 --> 01:11:50,430that when we talk about thestuff, this kind of stuff on on,115301:11:50,460 --> 01:11:53,130on the in the board meeting,we're all kind of focused in115401:11:53,130 --> 01:11:55,620future, which is good, becausewe want to always be innovating115501:11:55,620 --> 01:12:00,120and driving forward. So it wasinteresting. That's why I was115601:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,700interested in where'd thisrequest come from? So does115701:12:02,700 --> 01:12:05,010Buzzsprout have peoplerequesting this? Do they have115801:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,400they have podcasters requestingthis feature? And what can I115901:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,890compare it to? And then, youknow, that's just for116001:12:10,890 --> 01:12:13,620prioritization of where peoplewant to implement stuff. And116101:12:13,620 --> 01:12:16,860sometimes, I think that shiftsand, you know, cross app116201:12:16,860 --> 01:12:19,440comments we've been talkingabout since the inception of the116301:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,340project almost. And we're soclose.116401:12:25,980 --> 01:12:29,910Dave Jones: It happens graduallythan suddenly. I think, because116501:12:29,910 --> 01:12:35,820once and I'm glad, I'm glad it'sgoing slow. Because we get to116601:12:35,820 --> 01:12:40,170learn and see what's wrong as wego. We've got the spec, see116701:12:40,170 --> 01:12:42,810that, across comments is reallynaughty. It's not about the116801:12:42,810 --> 01:12:48,960spec. The spec is, is dead, it'sdead simple. It's just a URL.116901:12:49,470 --> 01:12:56,280The spec is not the problem. Thespec was so easy. And all of the117001:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,520problems come fromimplementation. Brian Right.117101:12:59,520 --> 01:12:59,730That's117201:12:59,730 --> 01:13:01,710Adam Curry: why That's why Iwant to keep keep the focus117301:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,560coming back to it whenever Ican, because the implementation117401:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,740seems to be stalled, althoughnot true in the past week or so117501:13:07,740 --> 01:13:13,320with Nathan doing. Doing thestuff on on podcast index.org To117601:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,080show the comments, but you stillcan't comment from there either.117701:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,050Dave Jones: Yeah, well, that's,that's coming though, because117801:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,680that's, that's they're workingon that as well as get Geremy117901:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,600and Nathan, and, and some otherguys that are where they're118001:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,240hashing out what the yuan issupposed to localize et Cie, I118101:13:30,240 --> 01:13:37,140think that once if if we can getthat working on. And I shouldn't118201:13:37,140 --> 01:13:43,380say we because then if they getit working, and I've pushed to118301:13:43,380 --> 01:13:46,950production, the latest changesyesterday, I think so it's it's118401:13:46,950 --> 01:13:51,900up to date with what they'vegiven me to put. If we can get118501:13:51,900 --> 01:13:54,750that working, I think that canbecome a reference a reference118601:13:54,750 --> 01:13:55,650implementation118701:13:56,820 --> 01:13:59,610Adam Curry: on the website onour website. Yeah. And when118801:13:59,610 --> 01:14:01,620Dave Jones: you want to say hey,go go support cross app118901:14:01,620 --> 01:14:05,430comments. Go to our website,look at the way it's119001:14:05,430 --> 01:14:09,960implemented. And even though youknow, the UI you are part is119101:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,370not, it's up to you, but here'show we expect this thing to119201:14:14,370 --> 01:14:19,170function. Got it. Got it. Andthat just this just takes time119301:14:19,170 --> 01:14:22,230to develop, you know, I mean,they they have to work out those119401:14:22,230 --> 01:14:24,330books because they're right nowthey're they're going back and119501:14:24,330 --> 01:14:27,840forth about different thingsabout like, Where does should119601:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,900this pop out? Should it be inpage like a lot of a lot of119701:14:30,900 --> 01:14:34,440implementation details which youjust have to kind of play with119801:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,410and throw things at the wall andsee what sticks. Okay, fair,119901:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,730fair. Yeah, it's moving though.The chair the reason I brought120001:14:41,730 --> 01:14:43,800up the channels things becauseit's been out there for a long120101:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,540time. Is probably this proposalis probably six months old. And120201:14:48,930 --> 01:14:51,090if not, maybe a little bitolder. It was originally120301:14:51,090 --> 01:14:55,590originally came out when? WhenApple because Apple brought out120401:14:55,590 --> 01:14:57,900this feature called channels,but it only works through120501:14:57,900 --> 01:15:03,300podcasts, Apple podcasts connectSo you can define a channel. And120601:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,000you can say, okay, these fiveshows are part of my channel.120701:15:06,210 --> 01:15:11,910Right? And Kevin, Kevin'sinitial proposal was, hey, this120801:15:11,910 --> 01:15:15,600seems like we can do this in anopen source way. That's not120901:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,260proprietary to Apple or Spotify,right? So if we can replicate121001:15:19,260 --> 01:15:24,750this open source, then we wouldall have this ability to do we121101:15:24,750 --> 01:15:26,610don't have the ability to dothis, and we can, but it121201:15:26,610 --> 01:15:27,510wouldn't be locked in.121301:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,640Adam Curry: No, no, of course,we always want to do that. I'm121401:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,390just trying to figure out who,who needs this. I have never121501:15:33,750 --> 01:15:37,680thought about doing a channel.Even apples. I mean, I gave up121601:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,170on Apple A long time ago. Idon't know if I can get this121701:15:40,170 --> 01:15:42,900into podcast connect anymore. Idon't know if I have an account.121801:15:43,620 --> 01:15:46,170Dave Jones: Last time you loggedinto PUC Apple podcasts in the121901:15:46,170 --> 01:15:46,890years ago,122001:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,990Adam Curry: years, maybe fiveyears ago. I don't know if I can122101:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,990still get in at all. I mean,it's just there. And when I gave122201:15:54,990 --> 01:15:57,900up my Mac, you know, it was whenwhen Mac started to screw up the122301:15:57,930 --> 01:16:01,710the hardware was broken,basically USB hardware. And I122401:16:01,710 --> 01:16:06,450gave it up I went to Windows.That's funny, a lot, a lot of122501:16:07,170 --> 01:16:14,970DJs. Like, you know, like the,you know, DJs who do you know,122601:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,900records, mixes, beats, etc. Theyall they all went to Windows122701:16:18,900 --> 01:16:21,510because the Mac just was really,really sucking122801:16:22,980 --> 01:16:27,090Dave Jones: the say you said?Yeah, no, go ahead. Yeah, you122901:16:27,090 --> 01:16:31,800said DJ DJs. And that thatreminded me. So that was another123001:16:32,190 --> 01:16:37,440use case. That's another usecase for this for the channels123101:16:37,710 --> 01:16:41,790is in order to have a so here'san let me find it.123201:16:42,390 --> 01:16:45,660Adam Curry: There's a DJ musicnear me. Yeah, like123301:16:45,660 --> 01:16:49,830Dave Jones: there's a DJ, that'sbuddies with Alex. And he popped123401:16:49,830 --> 01:16:51,900into Wave Lake and he's beenpublishing his.123501:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,120Adam Curry: Yeah, I saw that sawthat.123601:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,930Dave Jones: And the way he'sdoing it, here it is James123701:16:57,930 --> 01:17:03,120Dietrich's. And so the way hiswavelength feeds are detox123801:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,640music, D ETS. Oh, 0x. And theway he's doing is he's doing123901:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,200like a release a song. He'sdoing a release every, every124001:17:13,200 --> 01:17:18,960week on Sundays. And eachrelease is a new feed. That has124101:17:18,960 --> 01:17:19,950one track in it.124201:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,670Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Sookay, so that would be now hit124301:17:23,670 --> 01:17:28,560now we get into that would beappropriate for channel. But,124401:17:28,740 --> 01:17:32,130man, what a shitty name. Whenyou when it comes to music?124501:17:33,060 --> 01:17:38,340Dave Jones: And music channel?Yeah. Yeah. But that's the F. Le124601:17:38,340 --> 01:17:40,200I guess, I guess radios orstations. Right.124701:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,620Adam Curry: And yeah, I mean,that's always the problem. And124801:17:43,650 --> 01:17:45,720nomenclature is always going tobe an issue.124901:17:47,490 --> 01:17:49,290Dave Jones: Just you know,because well, you name something125001:17:49,290 --> 01:17:51,390is super important. That's themost important thing.125101:17:51,450 --> 01:17:53,730Adam Curry: Yeah, as you know,and you should never ever make125201:17:53,730 --> 01:17:56,880it a 2.0. And at any point,unless it's RSS, and you could125301:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,300do that.125401:17:57,719 --> 01:18:01,349Dave Jones: Yeah, that's theonly time it's allowable. RSS125501:18:01,349 --> 01:18:04,1692.0. Everything else isbombastic. H detox125601:18:04,170 --> 01:18:07,800Adam Curry: with a with a with awith a line through the O. So if125701:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,840you search for detox, you don'tget it.125801:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,930Dave Jones: Oh, that's not azero. I thought it was a zero.125901:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,170Was that a zero? Let me tryzero. Maybe that's a Unicode126001:18:16,170 --> 01:18:16,590character126101:18:16,590 --> 01:18:19,680Adam Curry: it is and so when Isearch for detox with that, zero126201:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,290that line through it, which Idon't have on my keyboard, I126301:18:22,290 --> 01:18:23,580don't get any results.126401:18:24,150 --> 01:18:27,210Dave Jones: Oh, James, you'reblowing up my search. Yeah.126501:18:28,139 --> 01:18:31,949Adam Curry: How do I how do Iget that? That that funky. Oh,126601:18:32,039 --> 01:18:32,939do we do the126701:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,840Dave Jones: copy and paste? Oh,yeah. Now let's see it. Yep. Oh,126801:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,750he's got some pretty album art.Gracious. So let's talk126901:18:39,750 --> 01:18:42,540Adam Curry: about music for asecond. Okay, which we also127001:18:42,540 --> 01:18:48,870pitch to Pocket Casts? That wasreally good. You did that. I127101:18:48,870 --> 01:18:50,250think I saw Matt go.127201:18:52,170 --> 01:18:53,310Dave Jones: Everybody lovesmusic.127301:18:53,580 --> 01:18:58,080Adam Curry: Yeah. And so whereare we at with with dystopia and127401:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,130wave like are they now actually?are they submitting or are127501:19:02,130 --> 01:19:04,770people just submittingindividually still,127601:19:05,549 --> 01:19:12,599Dave Jones: dystopia is waveLake is not. And so we've got127701:19:12,599 --> 01:19:16,319the WaveLight guys coming on atfor for a another attempt at127801:19:16,319 --> 01:19:17,189being on the show.127901:19:19,050 --> 01:19:20,520Adam Curry: No one blames youfor this Dave.128001:19:22,380 --> 01:19:25,230Dave Jones: Thank goodness.Okay. So in three weeks, they128101:19:25,230 --> 01:19:29,760will be back on the show. Andwe've got lots of music stuff to128201:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,670discuss with them and what theirdate. I'll let them speak for128301:19:35,670 --> 01:19:40,290themselves but I think thumbnailsketch is that they really want128401:19:40,290 --> 01:19:47,760the apps to be ready to have agood music experience. Before128501:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,680they start feeding everythinginto it before everything is an128601:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,740RSS feed already but before theystart really going public and128701:19:55,740 --> 01:20:00,420trying to push it because in Iso from our from our part I went128801:20:00,420 --> 01:20:06,390and downloaded a couple ofalbums into my podcast into cast128901:20:06,390 --> 01:20:11,550Matic. And out of the box, it'sterrible. It's a terrible129001:20:11,550 --> 01:20:12,060experience.129101:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,570Adam Curry: Of course. Yeah.Makes129201:20:15,570 --> 01:20:17,460Dave Jones: Yeah. Because they,yeah, because the podcast app129301:20:17,460 --> 01:20:19,800thinks these are episodes andyou listen to the track129401:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,610disappears. It was129501:20:20,610 --> 01:20:26,010Adam Curry: also someone whoasked me came into the to the129601:20:26,010 --> 01:20:29,820inferred podcast index.org.About how we ordered them that129701:20:29,820 --> 01:20:33,780there's a way to order theepisodes in a certain way that129801:20:33,810 --> 01:20:37,410comes through from Buzzsprout.But somehow, it wasn't showing129901:20:37,410 --> 01:20:40,140up correctly on podcast index,you know, I'm talking about.130001:20:40,530 --> 01:20:42,420Dave Jones: Yeah, that's theserial versus episode.130101:20:42,450 --> 01:20:44,970Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that a tag?Is that a is that a switch? What130201:20:44,970 --> 01:20:46,230is that? How does that work?130301:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,230Dave Jones: Yeah, that's aniTunes tag that till this says,130401:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,730I says, Is this a? Is this justa show that lasts forever? And130501:20:53,730 --> 01:20:57,480produces a producer as anepisode on a schedule I? Or is130601:20:57,480 --> 01:21:02,370this just or is this meant to belike, different like, like a130701:21:02,370 --> 01:21:06,030single run thing where you'rewhere you really need to listen130801:21:06,030 --> 01:21:06,810to it in order130901:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,390Adam Curry: 12345? Right, whichwould also be the way you'd want131001:21:09,390 --> 01:21:14,070an album done. Yeah, yep. Yep,yep. Okay. Wow, there's so much131101:21:14,070 --> 01:21:17,400to do. I don't even know how weget people to focus on adding131201:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,540music to their apps.131301:21:19,410 --> 01:21:22,350Dave Jones: Well, I contactedFranco on podcast index dot131401:21:22,350 --> 01:21:26,820social, and just, it just gavehim like a, like a hit list. I131501:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,890was like, hey, you know, if youhad a music mode, where, because131601:21:31,890 --> 01:21:37,320he parses the feed in app, itsince he parses the RSS131701:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,500directly, he'll be able to seethat the music medium tag is131801:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,040there. And if he sees that, tome, it makes sense to go ahead131901:21:44,040 --> 01:21:49,620and prep. Set a bunch ofsettings. By default. Make it132001:21:49,620 --> 01:21:53,100set it where there's, it'sforced to one point x speed.132101:21:54,750 --> 01:21:58,230Adam Curry: In fact, to speed upfrom the speed up, no. Oh, man,132201:21:58,230 --> 01:22:03,120I've so many ideas now. Go atfour times speed and say do you132301:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,420like this? Do you like this?Podcast? Do you like this is132401:22:06,420 --> 01:22:08,430what you really want you crazynut job?132501:22:10,170 --> 01:22:12,390Dave Jones: It's like it's, it'sbeating you. You want some more132601:22:12,390 --> 01:22:12,930of this? Yeah.132701:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,360Adam Curry: Would you like apodcast? How about this music?132801:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,670Was it was it podcast addictthat released for x? Yeah,132901:22:23,700 --> 01:22:26,940pocket podcasts guru podcastguru. That's crazy. And who133001:22:26,940 --> 01:22:29,220requested that I need to know. Ineed to know.133101:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,830Dave Jones: It came through onmy test flight. And I posted it133201:22:31,830 --> 01:22:35,970to Jason and he never responded.So I'm not sure. But didn't hurt133301:22:35,970 --> 01:22:42,330his feelings. I was just playingaround. Yeah, no. But that's. So133401:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,200if you had that, where the appsays, Oh, here's a music133501:22:46,260 --> 01:22:51,570podcast, I'm going to I'm goingto reshuffle myself and be here,133601:22:51,990 --> 01:22:54,780I'm going to play tracks inorder. It's only it's only going133701:22:54,780 --> 01:22:59,520to be normal speed, I'm going totake off, like audio record133801:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,280audio enhancements like voiceboost and all this jazz. And133901:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,970then it goes back to sort oflike this default Music Mode. To134001:23:05,970 --> 01:23:09,960me, that would get us halfhalfway there were no more134101:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,590transcript134201:23:10,590 --> 01:23:14,250Adam Curry: becomes lyrics, allkinds of all kinds of beautiful134301:23:14,250 --> 01:23:16,920stuff. We can all be done. Thething is the content is now134401:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,930there, it's coming in. So alland all you have to do is if134501:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,840you're if you're developing lookfor the medium tag. Now we don't134601:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,320we have didn't you work on anendpoint for that for the medium134701:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,620tag? Or is that just the mediumtag? Where there was a search? I134801:23:31,620 --> 01:23:32,130think134901:23:32,730 --> 01:23:36,900Dave Jones: it's, I think what Iwhat I landed on was creating135001:23:36,900 --> 01:23:41,160different sub group differentgroupings within the endpoint.135101:23:41,160 --> 01:23:46,530So now, now you have standardwhat you know API, see an API135201:23:46,530 --> 01:23:51,810you have like slash search slashby term. And now there's a new135301:23:51,810 --> 01:23:57,030one that's slash music slashsearch slash butter. So cool,135401:23:57,060 --> 01:23:59,730right, gonna be subgroups foreach medium type.135501:23:59,879 --> 01:24:02,339Adam Curry: And here's what I'dsay to you app developers. Why135601:24:02,369 --> 01:24:07,529why I think that there's a goodreason for you to consider.135701:24:08,069 --> 01:24:12,179Consider putting a musicversion, you know, putting some135801:24:12,179 --> 01:24:17,759music UX into your app. If youthink podcasters were waiting135901:24:17,999 --> 01:24:21,779for something, you have no ideathe amount of people who make136001:24:21,779 --> 01:24:28,409music, who already know arehalfway there with with. Some of136101:24:28,409 --> 01:24:32,699them even have RSS feeds ordoing encloses already. There's136201:24:32,729 --> 01:24:37,139no to hosting companies that addthe medium tag that we're aware136301:24:37,139 --> 01:24:41,669of. Go look at the unhappinessof people who are on Spotify. Go136401:24:41,669 --> 01:24:47,189look at the comparisons are allover the place. This is a huge,136501:24:47,189 --> 01:24:51,269huge international group ofcontent producers who will flock136601:24:51,269 --> 01:24:57,209to you. Yeah, they will. Theywill swarm you. I can guarantee136701:24:57,209 --> 01:25:01,169it but we just need some goodexamples. I know music side136801:25:01,169 --> 01:25:05,939project is a great start. But Ithink that's really the only136901:25:05,939 --> 01:25:06,329one.137001:25:07,650 --> 01:25:11,400Dave Jones: That is the onlyone. There's I would say that137101:25:11,400 --> 01:25:19,500the music, the potential marketfor music, podcasting is huge,137201:25:19,500 --> 01:25:24,360because there's so manyexcellent music artists, that137301:25:24,690 --> 01:25:30,120will they just cannot rise tothe level to have a living wage137401:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,860on a traditional plus streamingplatform. It'll never, it'll137501:25:34,860 --> 01:25:37,260never happen. They know. Andthey know it's not going to137601:25:37,260 --> 01:25:43,590happen. Yeah. But just like ajust like a midsize podcaster if137701:25:43,590 --> 01:25:48,600they could produce theircontent, and make a few $100 a137801:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,270month off of it. They would beso happy, of course. And that'd137901:25:54,270 --> 01:25:55,740be more possible. Yeah.138001:25:56,940 --> 01:25:59,160Adam Curry: Beats for saps Yeah,tone record. Thank you.138101:26:00,480 --> 01:26:07,050Dave Jones: Yeah, I've got anidea. In my head for a cool feel138201:26:07,050 --> 01:26:13,140cool. Music podcast app. Okay,experience. And I don't want to138301:26:13,140 --> 01:26:15,750actually write it because we've,you know, we've already138401:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,890Adam Curry: No, no one wants youdoing anything else. Well, we138501:26:19,890 --> 01:26:23,190can we can't stretch you anythinner. No, no, no, make more138601:26:23,190 --> 01:26:24,930charts. Don't do an app.138701:26:25,559 --> 01:26:29,129Dave Jones: Charts. They? It'sbecause you know, we've we've138801:26:29,129 --> 01:26:31,319always promised we were notgoing to compete in those areas138901:26:31,319 --> 01:26:36,329with people. But if nobody elsedoes it. Don't make me do it.139001:26:36,329 --> 01:26:36,779People.139101:26:37,410 --> 01:26:39,300Adam Curry: You want to talkabout your idea. You just we139201:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,180just want to know. Oh, well, howwell139301:26:42,180 --> 01:26:44,160Dave Jones: no, no, I do haveenough. Okay, I'll talk about139401:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,520the idea is this is just kind ofstupid. Simple. It's GPG music.139501:26:51,030 --> 01:26:57,060It is not music. It's evenstupider than that. Okay. The139601:26:57,060 --> 01:27:00,450idea is that you go to let'sjust let's what are we going to139701:27:00,450 --> 01:27:02,160call this theoretical app?139801:27:04,290 --> 01:27:11,430Adam Curry: noster I'm sorry.mostre. Moscow taken139901:27:11,430 --> 01:27:11,820Dave Jones: to140001:27:11,850 --> 01:27:13,650Adam Curry: really, man. Okay.140101:27:14,880 --> 01:27:20,190Dave Jones: music music. Podmusic. No, this is Oh,140201:27:20,190 --> 01:27:23,670Adam Curry: wow, that was noname his name ever? No, no, I've140301:27:23,670 --> 01:27:24,120got a good140401:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,580Dave Jones: one. I've got I'vegot a good ear shot or shot dot140501:27:26,580 --> 01:27:28,140F. Oh,140601:27:28,170 --> 01:27:30,810Adam Curry: I like that. Okay,did you register that already?140701:27:31,260 --> 01:27:33,660Dave Jones: I did not. It'sstill available, but it's too140801:27:33,660 --> 01:27:40,140expensive. It's like 80 bucks.So you go to earshot.fm. And140901:27:40,140 --> 01:27:46,380you're just presented with, withjust sort of a swirling, look at141001:27:46,380 --> 01:27:48,630like, you're in a like you'regonna like you're in a storm or141101:27:48,630 --> 01:27:52,290a fog. Just nothing there. Allthere is is a prompt, just a141201:27:52,290 --> 01:27:57,720blinking carrot prompt for youto type something like that. And141301:27:57,720 --> 01:28:05,550you type you type in if you typein, let's just say country, or141401:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,600dance or something like that.And music just begins to play.141501:28:10,530 --> 01:28:13,980And they're all it's all it justdoes a quick query into the141601:28:14,010 --> 01:28:16,980music search endpoint in podcastindex. And just start playing141701:28:16,980 --> 01:28:22,650music. There's there's no fancystuff. It's just a stupid dumb141801:28:23,610 --> 01:28:31,800but it's but it's an example of,of podcast music. Delivery. Hmm141901:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,260Adam Curry: sounds a bit likePandora. In a way.142001:28:38,100 --> 01:28:38,880Dave Jones: Perhaps,142101:28:39,030 --> 01:28:42,600Adam Curry: man earshot.fm was100 bucks a year now that guy's142201:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,470making out142301:28:45,150 --> 01:28:45,990Dave Jones: the FM guy142401:28:46,019 --> 01:28:49,049Adam Curry: yeah the.fm I thinkhe's one of the biggest sponsors142501:28:49,049 --> 01:28:54,269of the conference in Vegas. Nowonder cheap No wonder $100142601:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,180Dave Jones: Oh, does the FM GODDOES HE IS HE part of pockets142701:28:57,180 --> 01:28:57,570move? Yeah,142801:28:57,570 --> 01:29:02,610Adam Curry: I saw um, I sawsponsoring.fm everybody.fm Get142901:29:02,610 --> 01:29:04,470your get dot.fm here143001:29:06,270 --> 01:29:09,900Dave Jones: that's that's a lotFM is like the cheapest one have143101:29:09,900 --> 01:29:11,100ever seen is like 80 bucks.143201:29:11,130 --> 01:29:14,430Adam Curry: Yeah, I just checkedhis $100 for earshot I love you143301:29:14,430 --> 01:29:15,630man. But I'm not buying that.143401:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,420Dave Jones: No, I'm not either.I don't I don't even love me143501:29:18,420 --> 01:29:26,340that I like that. Yeah, I thinkI think there's there's a this143601:29:26,370 --> 01:29:30,390this is a huge, huge fun musicdiscovery.143701:29:30,390 --> 01:29:32,130Adam Curry: And then of courseyou can save them and have a143801:29:32,130 --> 01:29:34,500library and all that groovystuff. Yeah, it makes nothing143901:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,370but sense makes nothing butsense. I totally agree. And it144001:29:38,370 --> 01:29:41,670probably a whole new separateapp. But we'll we'll consider144101:29:41,670 --> 01:29:44,970we'll treat it just like one ofour own. No matter who comes up144201:29:44,970 --> 01:29:47,880with anything any any any musicapp, any other app that you144301:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,360consider movie app, whatever.We'll consider it one of our144401:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,520own. We will adopt it rightaway.144501:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,980Dave Jones: You know, don't Iguess one of the what I say is144601:29:58,980 --> 01:30:04,110don't make Steven B He do allthe work. Exactly. And then he's144701:30:04,110 --> 01:30:04,680got a job144801:30:04,710 --> 01:30:07,950Adam Curry: Steven B is anamazing guy. He just so much144901:30:08,130 --> 01:30:11,400thank a few people people havebeen boosting us during the145001:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,360show. Let's see I'll usecomments or Blogger as the145101:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,800delimiter 1000 stops from Billpragae says you want to use145201:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,950music in your podcast just addsplits to music posted to the145301:30:22,950 --> 01:30:31,770music tag yeah well I thought wetalked about the remote item145401:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,560being the way to do that. Was itremote item145501:30:34,980 --> 01:30:36,540Dave Jones: maybe I don'tunderstand what he's saying and145601:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,070Adam Curry: I don't think Iunderstand it either.145701:30:38,190 --> 01:30:40,200Dave Jones: Just add sounds likehe's just saying put the music145801:30:40,230 --> 01:30:40,950in music medium145901:30:41,910 --> 01:30:45,090Adam Curry: No, no, no no I saidjust add splits to music posted146001:30:45,090 --> 01:30:48,600to the music. He's asking you aquestion I'm not sure send us146101:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,03010,000 sites with a betterphrase or better146201:30:53,460 --> 01:30:55,350Dave Jones: we quite we didn'tquite undescribed146301:30:55,350 --> 01:30:57,420Adam Curry: understand I thinkit's more SATs it'll we'll146401:30:57,420 --> 01:31:00,570understand it better. That'scoming into curio caster of146501:31:00,570 --> 01:31:04,410course curio caster great forthe lit shows 4321 from tone146601:31:04,410 --> 01:31:08,220wrecker. Previous pod speedingpenance, I slowed it back to one146701:31:08,220 --> 01:31:15,060time speed All right. Anotherlife saved or created. Bill146801:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,290Prague again. 5000 SATs kindregards to zap nostril mask146901:31:19,290 --> 01:31:25,050maxis. Okay. Because I don'tknow. But I oh yeah,147001:31:25,139 --> 01:31:26,279Dave Jones: I don't know. Billsdrunk.147101:31:28,620 --> 01:31:31,710Adam Curry: But he's not he'snot drunk boosting properly it147201:31:31,710 --> 01:31:37,680should be more. Let's see. Wehave Hey, citizens. 6969 Brian147301:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,890of London. He says renegotiatethe car podcast listening rules.147401:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,260I don't know what people aretalking about today.147501:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,740Dave Jones: I don't know whatany of this mean. I don't need147601:31:46,740 --> 01:31:50,820Adam Curry: a chat F 33,333.Adam, can we get the origin147701:31:50,820 --> 01:31:54,390story of big baller people seeit in Fountain, but don't know147801:31:54,390 --> 01:31:57,930where it came from? Oh, I know.Of course. This came from mo147901:31:57,930 --> 01:32:05,550fax. Mo fax and Mo gave it tome. It started off by whenever148001:32:05,550 --> 01:32:08,310we got a big donation value forvalue. Oh148101:32:08,490 --> 01:32:12,300Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze onam Paula148201:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,190Adam Curry: and then I asked himif we could use it on148301:32:14,370 --> 01:32:17,070podcasting. 2.0. And of course,he said yeah. And then other148401:32:17,070 --> 01:32:20,340people took it and said, Hey,man, I told him I said it's gone148501:32:20,340 --> 01:32:23,490yet. It has a life of its own.He's just happy. He's happy with148601:32:23,490 --> 01:32:29,250that. So that's the origin ofit. Bouverie 17,776 Please allow148701:32:29,250 --> 01:32:31,890on the next series of tags forstreamable payments of Dr.148801:32:31,890 --> 01:32:37,710Pepper. Um, there baby. Thankyou. Okay. Here's Brian. Oh,148901:32:37,710 --> 01:32:41,220here's Oh, I see it was a followup. We had not we need a way to149001:32:41,220 --> 01:32:46,110connect the booster gram toboost the gram. What Bill pragae149101:32:46,110 --> 01:32:51,540was saying was a bill. No tonerecord was no who was it? Hey,149201:32:51,540 --> 01:32:54,210citizen. Hey, citizenrenegotiate that. Okay, here we149301:32:54,210 --> 01:32:58,620go. This is the original fromBrian of London with 51,948149401:32:58,620 --> 01:33:02,460SATs. Thank you very much for usor Brian. My wife will only let149501:33:02,460 --> 01:33:05,820me listen to the show in the carwhen Adam is spinning 80s tracks149601:33:05,820 --> 01:33:06,870and nostalgia.149701:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,360Dave Jones: Nice. Well.149801:33:10,620 --> 01:33:12,330Adam Curry: That's just notgoing to happen. Because that's149901:33:12,330 --> 01:33:15,870a huge violation of rights. AndI didn't like that myself. But150001:33:15,870 --> 01:33:19,200once in a while you just got tobreak the law, you know, sorry,150101:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,050pirate radio or just replaceyour wife. How about that was150201:33:22,050 --> 01:33:26,070maybe a better idea. Easier.much easier, much easier to get150301:33:26,070 --> 01:33:29,880me to do that again. Hey,citizen again. 69. Six times I150401:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,460think Satoshi value for valuepayment crypto transaction150501:33:32,460 --> 01:33:39,120color, whatever you like. Yes,we will. Fletcher 88,888. Oh,150601:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,290the lucky eight Satoshi slam. Hesays what does he have here? He150701:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,650has a URL with this. Let's seewhat Satoshi slam is good150801:33:46,650 --> 01:33:47,640Unknown: to see.150901:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,680Adam Curry: Nice.151001:33:49,710 --> 01:33:50,550Dave Jones: Nice.151101:33:50,610 --> 01:33:53,190Adam Curry: I'll take that one.Let me say that one right away.151201:33:53,250 --> 01:33:59,640So as that's the number forSatoshi slam is 88,888151301:34:00,510 --> 01:34:03,090Dave Jones: Oh, I love that.Yeah. Okay.151401:34:03,150 --> 01:34:05,640Adam Curry: Let's hear Nice. Letme see. I just want to save this151501:34:05,640 --> 01:34:10,650one. So we have that forprosperity. That is cool. Hinata151601:34:10,650 --> 01:34:18,780yen so to see slash Nice. That'sgood. That's really love it.151701:34:18,780 --> 01:34:22,590Love it. Love it. Love it.33,333 from Dred Scott formerly151801:34:22,590 --> 01:34:26,640with ADHD no longer thanks tohis auntie pod move. He says151901:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,090he's here. He says DJ Adam canplease play me some more Stevie152001:34:30,090 --> 01:34:38,190No, no, we can't do that. Eric pp 33,333. Just says boost boost.152101:34:38,670 --> 01:34:44,370Then we have Macintosh 2100SATs. Sorry, Dave. I looked at152201:34:44,370 --> 01:34:47,430the front end code for newpodcast apps.com And I just152301:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,750can't update it. I don't know,react from whatever other front152401:34:51,750 --> 01:34:54,600end frameworks are out there. Myfront end work ended with152501:34:54,600 --> 01:34:59,880blinking gifs in HTML and 2001Dude, remember red ball dot GIF152601:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,690I had that one. I thought it wassomething I could help you out152701:35:03,690 --> 01:35:06,750with. So all your React frontend people get on it and make a152801:35:06,870 --> 01:35:07,950pull request.152901:35:08,910 --> 01:35:13,200Dave Jones: No problem. I don'tknow react either. So silly. Not153001:35:13,200 --> 01:35:13,740a Number153101:35:13,740 --> 01:35:16,590Adam Curry: I at one point Ieven wanted to change something.153201:35:16,590 --> 01:35:19,350I can't remember what it was Iwanted to, to add a link and I153301:35:19,350 --> 01:35:22,650went into the GitHub. I'm like,I don't understand this is this153401:35:22,650 --> 01:35:27,390is not Drupal. Drupal.153501:35:28,290 --> 01:35:30,240Dave Jones: When you look atReact for the first time, it's153601:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,750complete insanity. It's somebastardized version of153701:35:33,930 --> 01:35:40,350JavaScript. That's with HTMLinline embedded with it. It's153801:35:40,380 --> 01:35:41,760your head spins.153901:35:41,790 --> 01:35:43,950Adam Curry: Yes, because I wantI know, I wanted to put a link154001:35:43,950 --> 01:35:46,650to value for value dot info,like that might be helpful.154101:35:46,740 --> 01:35:49,140That's all I wanted to do. Iwant to add a link. I'm sure I154201:35:49,140 --> 01:35:51,750can jack that in somewhere if atleast I can see code that looks154301:35:51,750 --> 01:35:55,710like a page. But no, yeah, goodluck. Yeah, no idea. Martin154401:35:55,710 --> 01:35:58,110Linda's Koch Adam and Dave,thanks for podcasting. 2.0154501:35:58,110 --> 01:36:02,250certified t shirt. Libertyboost. Oh, six. Satoshis all the154601:36:02,250 --> 01:36:11,100best. Hey, did we neglect Chad'st shirt? I think do we? Oh, Chad154701:36:11,100 --> 01:36:12,060f a t shirt.154801:36:12,930 --> 01:36:14,490Dave Jones: I think I said Oh,you did?154901:36:15,630 --> 01:36:18,720Adam Curry: Because I had a notehere. I don't just a note. A155001:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,700note a note. Sure this. ToddCochrane chapter checking in155101:36:23,700 --> 01:36:27,510from Podcast Movementevolutions. 25,000 SATs lots of155201:36:27,510 --> 01:36:30,780great podcasting 2.0conversations here at pm155301:36:30,780 --> 01:36:35,640evolutions go podcast a podcast.Yeah, man. I'd love that Todd's155401:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,880there. We know for sure155501:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,890Dave Jones: on February 28 SoExcellent. Well hello.155601:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,300Adam Curry: Bring it on to theshow Burb boo boo berry of155701:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,180behind the schemes and SirSpencer of bowl after bowl the155801:36:51,180 --> 01:36:54,570gutter punk innovators of 2.0worth chatting with him in the155901:36:54,780 --> 01:36:59,160in the boardroom says lavishwith a 100,000 sat boost156001:37:00,210 --> 01:37:04,050Unknown: Sakala 20 in his bladeson the Impala156101:37:05,130 --> 01:37:06,990Dave Jones: it would be theywant to see the chart go up156201:37:06,990 --> 01:37:09,840tomorrow as was happening. Thisis all about oh this156301:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,990Adam Curry: chart is going to begreat. But But of course if you156401:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,690don't change it then it'll bedown again tomorrow. It's so156501:37:15,690 --> 01:37:19,440it's such you know what it is?You know if you want walk past a156601:37:19,440 --> 01:37:24,240watch store. And maybe maybethis isn't that way. I think the156701:37:24,240 --> 01:37:29,820wait typically is all thewatches are set to 1010 10156801:37:29,820 --> 01:37:32,880minutes after 10 Because thatlooks like a happy face.156901:37:34,770 --> 01:37:37,110Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Okay,157001:37:37,170 --> 01:37:40,020Adam Curry: so this this chartthe minute you go to, like all157101:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,130these guys are in trouble.157201:37:42,090 --> 01:37:45,390Dave Jones: This is like this.It's like silk is like svbc157301:37:45,570 --> 01:37:45,960stock.157401:37:45,990 --> 01:37:49,050Adam Curry: Yes, it does. Itdoesn't look like this is bad or157501:37:49,050 --> 01:37:51,510this is not going well. I don'twant to promote it until that157601:37:51,510 --> 01:37:53,100until we have a happy uptick.157701:37:53,550 --> 01:37:55,530Dave Jones: So they were doinggreat until their Lena brothers157801:37:55,530 --> 01:37:56,220moment right there.157901:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,990Adam Curry: We definitely needto have some, you know, I'm not158001:38:00,990 --> 01:38:05,730a big fan of multiple people inthe boardroom. Just because it's158101:38:05,730 --> 01:38:12,360just tough. But I'd love to haveone or someone on to discuss the158201:38:12,900 --> 01:38:17,040the gutter punk innovators ofwhat's happening with the IRC158301:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,740bots. I mean, there's somereally interesting stuff in158401:38:19,740 --> 01:38:22,770there. We should just do nowlet's do it. Let's do that.158501:38:22,770 --> 01:38:28,500Okay. And then I hit thedelimiter so you want to thank158601:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,490our Fiat Meanwhile, I'll go takea look and make sure we haven't158701:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,540make sure we haven't missed anytally coin that no one ever the158801:38:36,540 --> 01:38:40,050only person who ever does tallycoin is dread. Dread but we love158901:38:40,050 --> 01:38:42,810it. We love it for sure.159001:38:43,050 --> 01:38:44,730Dave Jones: He just does it asan old check to make sure the159101:38:44,730 --> 01:38:51,000cars running all right yeah 30cc chat F 3333 through pod verse159201:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,100he says I think the best part ofthe dance party board meeting159301:38:53,100 --> 01:38:57,780yesterday was half peoplecompete complete each other song159401:38:57,780 --> 01:39:00,180request donation amountssomething about that just felt159501:39:00,180 --> 01:39:00,660magical.159601:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,920Adam Curry: It was and it showedme that there's so much we can159701:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,280do with with lit which isanother thing that we know needs159801:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,230more promotion the What afantastic format what a great159901:39:13,230 --> 01:39:17,910way as a podcaster to up yourgame to involve your community160001:39:17,940 --> 01:39:22,680right right live in real timeand and to make money I mean it160101:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,530really showed that the communityrallies around you and they come160201:39:25,530 --> 01:39:28,530up with their own games I lovethat was great. Thank you.160301:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,230Dave Jones: Let me ask you is isOpie three measuring the live160401:39:34,230 --> 01:39:40,350stream also? Do you have the preop three prefix in front of the160501:39:40,350 --> 01:39:43,170live stream URL? Oh, that's agood question when I take a look160601:39:43,620 --> 01:39:48,480because I would love to knowwhich apps are using it the most160701:39:48,570 --> 01:39:52,110I do actually. Okay, so weshould be able to look and see160801:39:52,110 --> 01:39:56,460if pod verse, podcast addictcurio caster. I'd love to see a160901:39:56,460 --> 01:39:59,790breakdown of that and and alsoto monitor if any new apps come161001:39:59,790 --> 01:40:01,950on line because I know there'sone that's supposed to be coming161101:40:01,950 --> 01:40:02,700on good161201:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,100Adam Curry: good good good yeahoh p three dot Dev and I've161301:40:05,100 --> 01:40:08,970listened that no agendastream.com/no agenda. So that's161401:40:09,030 --> 01:40:12,240just point to the stream. ButJohn Spurlock is a is in he's in161501:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,490Vegas getting drunk witheverybody so it'll he's not161601:40:14,490 --> 01:40:17,040listening it'll take a while.That's true.161701:40:19,980 --> 01:40:23,130Dave Jones: See, we need youback in Dallas John. Let's see161801:40:23,130 --> 01:40:26,280I'm 2112 through fountain hesays this is a replay of161901:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,010yesterday's Liberty boostregarding the song 55 million162001:40:29,010 --> 01:40:33,390Frenchmen 27 and BenjaminBella's Bill Bellamy's post162101:40:33,570 --> 01:40:38,100music tip at the music radio.comRadio dismuke Vintage popular162201:40:38,100 --> 01:40:42,750music and jazz from 1925 to 35rows 2112 album boost Martin162301:40:42,750 --> 01:40:43,440lindskog.162401:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,390Adam Curry: Thank you nice nicenice162501:40:45,990 --> 01:40:49,590Dave Jones: Piette Pauling asatchel of Richards through162601:40:49,590 --> 01:40:54,630poverties is pre show boost.What word Walter Wriston162701:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,200Adam Curry: filters and verygood that means good night's162801:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,710sleep tight.162901:40:59,490 --> 01:41:02,730Dave Jones: Those velcro looseDeville turista? Yes. Anti163001:41:02,730 --> 01:41:07,440German that way. dribs got55 555 through pod verse he says163101:41:07,440 --> 01:41:15,180pre boosting. Wow. See, these?These are so since last week's163201:41:15,180 --> 01:41:18,030show was a little messy. Some ofthese are coming in, you know163301:41:18,030 --> 01:41:21,090like these are like, pre boostsfrom from the show before163401:41:21,090 --> 01:41:22,020because it was163501:41:22,740 --> 01:41:26,730Adam Curry: doing the pre boostsor the Prusa. Africa's I don't163601:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,460know I don't Yeah, they're justprobably doubling some of them.163701:41:29,460 --> 01:41:32,130There was no wait a minutebecause we did a show after163801:41:32,130 --> 01:41:36,960that. I don't know. Just makeeverybody doesn't matter. Thank163901:41:36,960 --> 01:41:37,560everybody.164001:41:37,980 --> 01:41:40,800Dave Jones: Chad F 3333 says Cansomeone unlock the door to the164101:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,360boardroom? I can't get into thechat room.164201:41:44,670 --> 01:41:46,830Adam Curry: Sorry, you know,it's locked now.164301:41:47,250 --> 01:41:50,610Dave Jones: dribs got 5555boosting days poll work.164401:41:53,070 --> 01:41:55,380Adam Curry: I do good poll work.You're great on the poll.164501:41:56,250 --> 01:42:00,450Dave Jones: A Chris You know9109013 through pod vs. As you164601:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,810can't just go out there and dopoll work whenever you want. You164701:42:03,810 --> 01:42:09,990first have to call up and put ina poll request a poll. I love164801:42:09,990 --> 01:42:15,750it. Chad F 3333 Again, andanother Chad F and he says, Hey,164901:42:15,750 --> 01:42:17,760I only requested Ride theLightning after someone165001:42:17,760 --> 01:42:25,050requested milkshake. Yes, drimilkshake. Not a great not a165101:42:25,050 --> 01:42:25,380great165201:42:25,740 --> 01:42:29,040Adam Curry: yeah, it got it gota little weird. I told you it's165301:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,890like when you when you takerequests, then the flow kind of165401:42:31,890 --> 01:42:33,630gets broken somewhere along theline.165501:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,110Dave Jones: drips got 5585 saysAdam was really having fun165601:42:37,110 --> 01:42:40,740yesterday. It was great towitness. Yeah, this is what it165701:42:40,740 --> 01:42:45,390was because we didn't read theboosts on Saturday show. So that165801:42:45,390 --> 01:42:49,800we could do in order from thislike the post show boost. Yeah,165901:42:49,830 --> 01:42:55,170right. Right. Right. Yeah. EricPPS and it's 33 333 with no note166001:42:55,230 --> 01:42:57,510through the boost CLI. Thankyou, Eric. Thank166101:42:57,510 --> 01:42:58,230Adam Curry: you very much.166201:42:58,470 --> 01:43:04,260Dave Jones: No note on that.Phone boy 6969 Never thought I'd166301:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,290be the lead into the pod fatheron a Saturday. Lots of love for166401:43:07,290 --> 01:43:10,290Phoenix and I at the Lotuseffect for everything y'all are166501:43:10,290 --> 01:43:11,490doing to advance podcasting.166601:43:11,580 --> 01:43:14,310Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. Sowe broke into their into their166701:43:14,310 --> 01:43:18,240feed because we typically use noagenda stream on Fridays and so166801:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,550they were kind enough to give itup for us on Saturday which we166901:43:20,550 --> 01:43:21,150appreciate167001:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,080Dave Jones: it and again anotherPhoenix 6969 Thank you for the167101:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,600part father for all y'all aredoing lady Phoenix and Lord167201:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,180phone boy the Lotus effect comefor the shenanigans stay for the167301:43:30,180 --> 01:43:36,720party. Nice. See? I think we'llsee did we167401:43:38,670 --> 01:43:41,040Adam Curry: did we read we readthose two? I remember those two?167501:43:41,070 --> 01:43:41,580We did.167601:43:41,610 --> 01:43:42,330Dave Jones: Okay. So maybe167701:43:43,470 --> 01:43:46,800Adam Curry: while you'rechecking that Dred Scott came in167801:43:46,830 --> 01:43:54,840with a 121212121212 Whoa, that's121,212 sorry, forgot to test167901:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,750the tally coin. Really job.We're just kidding. Out of168001:43:57,750 --> 01:43:58,650curiosity.168101:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,080Unknown: 20 is bleh Oh, man, I168201:44:04,590 --> 01:44:07,230Adam Curry: just have this fearthat Dred Scott is spending all168301:44:07,230 --> 01:44:10,110of his inheritance or you know,it's like and he's gonna be out168401:44:10,110 --> 01:44:12,810on the street you know, with nomoney or with a cup168501:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,950Dave Jones: is what's going tocome in one day. So what is168601:44:16,950 --> 01:44:17,340this?168701:44:17,370 --> 01:44:20,250Adam Curry: I want to make sureman that did I love you drive168801:44:20,250 --> 01:44:23,490man, but you're you are you'resupporting a lot of a lot of168901:44:23,490 --> 01:44:27,960podcasts with a lot of dough. Sojust to make sure okay. Anyway,169001:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,900he says out of curiosity, whatkind of licensing and cost will169101:44:30,900 --> 01:44:34,590be involved with doing a musicso like you did Friday, which to169201:44:34,590 --> 01:44:38,970me is dribs saying hey, I'll payfor that? No, just so you know,169301:44:39,480 --> 01:44:44,550that is actually not possible.You cannot do that unless the169401:44:44,550 --> 01:44:47,760only way you can get around itis if you have an existing radio169501:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,480station with an actual radiosignal. There are rules where169601:44:51,480 --> 01:44:56,700you can duplicate that signal.But just as a stream, you cannot169701:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,180do a DJ show like I did on astream. Certainly not On a169801:45:00,180 --> 01:45:04,320downloadable podcast, the musicindustry are such greedy fox,169901:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,160they don't make that availableto us. Otherwise, believe me, I170001:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,140would be doing it five days aweek.170101:45:11,219 --> 01:45:14,129Dave Jones: That's, you'veexplained that to me before and170201:45:14,309 --> 01:45:18,119basically there is no they willnot give you a license to do you170301:45:18,180 --> 01:45:20,700Adam Curry: know, right now. Imean, you see what Spotify has170401:45:20,700 --> 01:45:23,970to go through. You can add musicto your show, but don't you dare170501:45:23,970 --> 01:45:28,230talk over it? No, no, no, youhave to stop and then they start170601:45:28,230 --> 01:45:31,230the music and yeah, that's theplay and fade out all the way.170701:45:31,230 --> 01:45:36,510It's horrible. Bill Praxis fuI'm in Serbia. 10k SATs just170801:45:36,510 --> 01:45:39,900like three beers over here.Gives us a fast I got your170901:45:39,900 --> 01:45:40,590brother I got171001:45:42,210 --> 01:45:44,310Dave Jones: Yeah, he's like I'mnot gonna spend three beers to171101:45:44,310 --> 01:45:45,120explain myself and171201:45:46,590 --> 01:45:49,740Adam Curry: Brian of London 1948is rarely freedom boosts next up171301:45:49,740 --> 01:45:53,550breaking the law but JudasPriest home brother. I just171401:45:53,550 --> 01:45:57,510can't get away from Nathangathright. 2000 SATs got171501:45:57,510 --> 01:46:01,890elicited oh point five times fora while to bring my average back171601:46:01,890 --> 01:46:06,180down. Okay, just wants you to behealthy brother just want you to171701:46:06,180 --> 01:46:08,460be healthy. All right. That'sThat's what just came in in the171801:46:08,460 --> 01:46:09,840past pass from Naples171901:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,120Dave Jones: and fast thinker. Ican imagine that that would be172001:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,420varied. Because you can tell bythe way he talks that he's his172101:46:15,420 --> 01:46:20,340mind goes fast. Yeah, but I betyou he has to. He has to resist172201:46:20,340 --> 01:46:21,660the urge to pod speed.172301:46:21,929 --> 01:46:25,889Adam Curry: Yeah, but you wantyou but he normal people around172401:46:25,889 --> 01:46:28,529him. Don't speed172501:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,530Dave Jones: he goes to Starbuckslike even that coffee. Yeah,172601:46:34,530 --> 01:46:39,000exactly. See Brooklyn 112.Central Richards No, zaps. No172701:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,620tips. Only boosts. No.172801:46:41,100 --> 01:46:43,410Adam Curry: It's okay. We're notWe're not anti zap at all.172901:46:44,700 --> 01:46:45,630Unknown: No, I love it. It's173001:46:45,630 --> 01:46:47,130Adam Curry: training people forbooster grams.173101:46:47,910 --> 01:46:52,290Dave Jones: After after Davewhiners hate it was spewed on.173201:46:52,620 --> 01:46:53,040Who was173301:46:54,120 --> 01:46:55,140Adam Curry: was posting this?173401:46:55,890 --> 01:47:00,300Dave Jones: No, no, he posted hehad a big long anti 2.0 post.173501:47:00,330 --> 01:47:03,300Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes,I did see that. Yes. What about173601:47:03,300 --> 01:47:03,450it?173701:47:03,990 --> 01:47:07,620Dave Jones: All of all of whichwas so one. So ill informed as173801:47:07,620 --> 01:47:13,710to be hilarious. But this had aneffect on me. I thought to173901:47:13,710 --> 01:47:22,260myself self that self. You needto be more more open about these174001:47:22,260 --> 01:47:26,970other technologies? Don't Don'tbe so negative all the time. Oh,174101:47:26,970 --> 01:47:27,540absolutely. I174201:47:27,540 --> 01:47:29,250Adam Curry: totally agree. AndI'm glad because I was the one174301:47:29,250 --> 01:47:31,980that told you, man, you shouldtry noster she what's going on174401:47:31,980 --> 01:47:32,280there?174501:47:33,089 --> 01:47:34,949Dave Jones: Am I going to go outand build something on noster?174601:47:35,189 --> 01:47:42,929No. But I'm going to limit mymockery of noster. Well,174701:47:43,019 --> 01:47:44,969Adam Curry: I think this is athere's something very different174801:47:44,969 --> 01:47:48,029went on there. And I'll just sayit sounds because he was very174901:47:48,029 --> 01:47:56,189inflammatory when he postedpodcast wars like wow. Like,175001:47:56,189 --> 01:48:00,569what is he talking about? And Ireally didn't understand at all.175101:48:01,139 --> 01:48:04,139What is like there's two groupsthat will soon be in a tech175201:48:04,139 --> 01:48:08,189tabloid coming to you soon, likewhat is going on with this?175301:48:08,790 --> 01:48:12,210Dave Jones: I read it and had noclue what he was talking about.175401:48:12,210 --> 01:48:14,670He sounded deranged. Now, and175501:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,110Adam Curry: I think I think Iknow what happened. I'm just175601:48:19,110 --> 01:48:23,400taking a stab here. I could bewrong. I have a feeling that175701:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,810someone approached him about thepodcast Standards Project, which175801:48:27,810 --> 01:48:32,940was going to be different frompodcasting. 2.0 which is not in175901:48:32,940 --> 01:48:36,120his basically taking tags thatwe develop and use it and176001:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,780somehow keep and of course, oh,Courage involved with one of176101:48:39,780 --> 01:48:42,900those two, which one is it?That's the shitty one. Because,176201:48:43,500 --> 01:48:46,050because that's what most peopledo. It's like, oh, it's Korean.176301:48:46,050 --> 01:48:49,470But that's gotta be shit. Can'tbe that. He's probably trying to176401:48:49,470 --> 01:48:54,660steal podcast and he wants to bea billionaire. Ah. So but I176501:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,440think James explained it verywell to him. And then I saw Dave176601:48:58,440 --> 01:49:01,290saying, Oh, okay. Well, I don'tsee I don't see a corrective176701:49:01,290 --> 01:49:06,660post, saying sorry, but okay,whatever. So I think that's what176801:49:06,660 --> 01:49:10,110happened and that. And it'sunfortunate, because these176901:49:10,110 --> 01:49:13,620things always happen aroundpodcasting is always all kinds177001:49:13,620 --> 01:49:16,680of intrigue and crap going on.And I thought we've kind of177101:49:16,710 --> 01:49:17,970gotten beyond that.177201:49:20,220 --> 01:49:21,930Dave Jones: Will they alwayshappen around podcasting, but177301:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,360they also always happen aroundDave Warner. So this177401:49:25,500 --> 01:49:27,930Adam Curry: is that? Yeah,there's that anyway.177501:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,490Dave Jones: So let's see Karenfrom the new modal podcast. 2222177601:49:32,490 --> 01:49:35,400through fountain he says, as youwere playing the demo, I was177701:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,920waiting for it to switch fromthe robo lady to get to the real177801:49:37,920 --> 01:49:43,740ai dj but about halfway throughI realized she was it Eesh Yeah,177901:49:43,740 --> 01:49:46,620he got he's, he's been paused.Speeding. Yeah. And his his178001:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,200brain is unable to tell thedifference between reality and178101:49:49,200 --> 01:49:49,560fiction.178201:49:49,590 --> 01:49:51,090Adam Curry: This is exactly whathappens.178301:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,350Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm sorry. Ifeel sorry for you, Karen. I178401:49:55,350 --> 01:49:58,650loved you when you were when youwere with us still. Now your178501:49:58,650 --> 01:50:04,470brain is gone. Nicklaus be58 2100 SATs he says the178601:50:04,470 --> 01:50:07,410fountain he says I'm testing.Well Nicholas your test was178701:50:07,410 --> 01:50:12,450success successful. Well done.Carl 6007 gave us 2222 SATs178801:50:12,450 --> 01:50:17,670through fountain no note.Clarkin, my buddy gave us 25,001178901:50:17,670 --> 01:50:20,880SATs says weekly boost can'tmake a long note because179001:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,930fountain keeps crashing everytwo minutes. Hopefully it'll be179101:50:24,930 --> 01:50:31,320fixed by next week. Gene bean1337 says duck asthmatics is pot179201:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,140search.fm is available and wouldbe fitting for the transcript179301:50:34,140 --> 01:50:38,790search tool. That's true awesomebuddy. Grab it pod search.fm is179401:50:38,790 --> 01:50:41,850pretty good name is probablycost $3,000 But you need to get179501:50:42,690 --> 01:50:47,790Nick dose 369 SAS boostersversus zappers fight. No no, no,179601:50:47,790 --> 01:50:51,030no, we're not going to fightthose guys. We have too much179701:50:51,060 --> 01:50:55,710firepower, they wouldn't stand achance. Jean been the grow of179801:50:55,710 --> 01:50:58,590ducks 22 to 22 through castmedics has just wanted to give179901:50:58,620 --> 01:51:01,650Oscar and the folks at Felton ashout out for their podcast180001:51:01,650 --> 01:51:04,680promotion system. It was supereasy to promote volunteer180101:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,980technologist and provided nicemetrics about what I was getting180201:51:07,980 --> 01:51:10,710for my money. It's also beenfascinating to look at the180301:51:10,710 --> 01:51:13,410statistics in Buzzsprout and opthree related to where people180401:51:13,440 --> 01:51:16,650are because the non US audienceis much larger percentage than I180501:51:16,650 --> 01:51:17,340had anticipated.180601:51:17,370 --> 01:51:18,180Adam Curry: Oh interesting.180701:51:18,809 --> 01:51:22,469Dave Jones: And is interesting.Oh, Bill Prague. He of the180801:51:22,499 --> 01:51:27,749expensive beers says gets in as9712 He says boost for being180901:51:27,749 --> 01:51:30,179human and not an AI podcast.There you go.181001:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,970Adam Curry: Yes. We're notweird. We're not GPT that's a181101:51:32,970 --> 01:51:33,600low bar.181201:51:34,470 --> 01:51:36,810Dave Jones: And you justencountered Maxis within maxis.181301:51:36,930 --> 01:51:39,420That is how we normal peoplefeel every time we say bitcoin181401:51:39,420 --> 01:51:44,490is not best for everything.Okay, Bill Prague again. 10,000181501:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,910SATs to convert some more hiveinto SAS to boost again, Maxis181601:51:47,910 --> 01:51:49,680encountered deserves it. Okay.181701:51:49,710 --> 01:51:51,150Adam Curry: Wow. Okay.181801:51:51,630 --> 01:51:52,740Dave Jones: I don't know what wesaid.181901:51:52,980 --> 01:51:55,620Adam Curry: But it was good.Yeah, it was awesome. It doesn't182001:51:55,620 --> 01:51:58,170matter if we make someone mad orhappy as long as you're182101:51:58,170 --> 01:51:59,280boosting. It's all good.182201:52:00,210 --> 01:52:04,920Dave Jones: Alberto 999 says dofountain and he says it's here.182301:52:07,080 --> 01:52:11,760Adam Curry: Good to hear. It'sfinally here. Is that Alberta?182401:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,460rss.com. Maybe abouttranscripts? Maybe that was the182501:52:14,460 --> 01:52:20,070big issue here. Yes, it's amysterious teaser boost.182601:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,300Dave Jones: A bit that's what itwas. Big announcement from them182701:52:24,300 --> 01:52:26,220by the way that was that was Ithink182801:52:26,220 --> 01:52:29,040Adam Curry: that's the fanreaching tastic the fact that182901:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,740they have multiple languages outof the box is great too.183001:52:32,429 --> 01:52:36,329Dave Jones: And I love I lovethat they're doing it like sort183101:52:36,329 --> 01:52:38,999of in house and not a thirdparty I think I think that tells183201:52:38,999 --> 01:52:42,689me that probably transcripts ischeap enough now to where the183301:52:42,689 --> 01:52:46,709industry can do this. Yeah, it'sit's gotten it's gotten183401:52:46,979 --> 01:52:48,899affordable. So that's a goodthing to see.183501:52:48,990 --> 01:52:51,690Adam Curry: And those guys arejust killing it no matter what I183601:52:51,690 --> 01:52:53,040really appreciate what they'redoing.183701:52:53,549 --> 01:52:57,689Dave Jones: Yeah, me too.Clarkin again with 1000 SATs he183801:52:57,689 --> 01:53:00,479says Update Oscar helped me fitthe fountain issue like a balls183901:53:00,509 --> 01:53:04,799back up and running Thank youOscar. play by play on tech184001:53:04,799 --> 01:53:09,509support here from film 12,000SATs from ION robot through a184101:53:09,509 --> 01:53:11,849through foundation is droppingoff some climate change for the184201:53:11,849 --> 01:53:14,279index so Dave can keep thelights on five by five in the184301:53:14,279 --> 01:53:15,329pipe go podcasting.184401:53:17,310 --> 01:53:21,600Adam Curry: Go podcast. Mr. Ithink it's Mr. Robot. I think184501:53:21,990 --> 01:53:22,860he's hilarious.184601:53:23,429 --> 01:53:26,999Dave Jones: SLC 12498 throughfound he says the sages184701:53:26,999 --> 01:53:29,609dictation speed is less like atortoise and more like a New184801:53:29,609 --> 01:53:34,259Yorker. 1.25x The fact that hecan get God sets him apart from184901:53:34,259 --> 01:53:39,899the AI boosting the NI natural.Nice, nice, nice guest VLAN185001:53:40,079 --> 01:53:42,3893690. Is thank you for yourwork.185101:53:42,870 --> 01:53:45,120Adam Curry: You're welcome.You're very welcome. We're happy185201:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,260to do that for you.185301:53:46,769 --> 01:53:50,999Dave Jones: Just listening 1776Boost says I need info on how to185401:53:50,999 --> 01:53:53,789create ISOs the little audioclips I can't find anything185501:53:53,789 --> 01:53:59,729anywhere. I don't know. Just Iuse DLC YouTube DLC to download185601:53:59,729 --> 01:54:01,109stuff off YouTube and clip itthat way.185701:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,590Adam Curry: Yeah, I just Irecord actually I process185801:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,280everything I record. So I'llI'll I'll put it straight from185901:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,990the from the output of thecomputer into Hindenburg. Which186001:54:15,990 --> 01:54:19,050by the way, I was wrong aboutHindenburg that that 10 hours of186101:54:19,050 --> 01:54:22,140transcript time that's only 10hours at a time it's not like186201:54:22,140 --> 01:54:24,480they're charging you or like thelike it's a bank where you have186301:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,920to redeposit time yeah, it stilltakes it takes a long time on186401:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,900this computer though. Thiscomputers he started186501:54:30,900 --> 01:54:32,370Dave Jones: doing it local.You're not doing it through186601:54:32,370 --> 01:54:33,000otter anymore.186701:54:33,990 --> 01:54:38,310Adam Curry: I here's the thing.I did want I did the podcast in186801:54:38,310 --> 01:54:42,7802.0. And there's no way tooutput it. There's no export of186901:54:42,780 --> 01:54:47,520the of the transcript. It's atranscript so that you can edit187001:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,280based on the transcript andwhich works really well. It's187101:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,310kind of like D script. I guessit's impressive how that works.187201:54:53,310 --> 01:54:57,810But there's no way to export anSRT or TTV or LMNOP or any of187301:54:57,810 --> 01:55:01,350that stuff. I couldn't even passLike all copy it, I'm like,187401:55:01,350 --> 01:55:07,080okay, all right, well, that'sweird. That just beta is beta,187501:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,540beta two beta, two beta.187601:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,590Dave Jones: Karen from Emeraldis back again. tu tu tu tu tu187701:55:13,590 --> 01:55:16,980fountain. He says, Hey, Adam.Yes. The recent guest of mine187801:55:16,980 --> 01:55:19,830was talking about how othergraphic designers would get mad187901:55:19,830 --> 01:55:22,440at him for doing a V for v timemodel. When he was first188001:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,780starting to design asfreelancer. If you ever had188101:55:24,780 --> 01:55:27,720other podcasters mad at you forruining it ruining it for the188201:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,630rest of us, ie putting yourproduct out for free.188301:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,080Adam Curry: No, I think mostpeople think we're stupid and188401:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,040doesn't work and it's crazy. Andwhy would you do that? And when188501:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,310did you Why'd Why do you wantchips? Now I've heard anything188601:55:41,310 --> 01:55:44,940ship anyone who's actually donethe work and looked at what188701:55:44,940 --> 01:55:48,840we're doing. So no, no one'sever gotten mad. that I know188801:55:48,840 --> 01:55:49,080have188901:55:50,490 --> 01:55:54,090Dave Jones: we got a 6666 fromthe socialists that says satanic189001:55:54,090 --> 01:55:58,740socialist down under Oh, greatlove. Love the show. But please189101:55:58,740 --> 01:56:01,560lay off Beelzebub Satan getsblamed for a lot of bad stuff.189201:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,020But even he would not stoop solow as to use dynamic ad189301:56:04,020 --> 01:56:04,500insertion.189401:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,460Adam Curry: Is that is that theactual Satan guy who does the189501:56:08,460 --> 01:56:08,760party?189601:56:11,790 --> 01:56:19,620Unknown: Hey, this is Beelzebubtelling you to boost more.189701:56:21,390 --> 01:56:24,210Dave Jones: Don't Satan wouldyou ever use dynamic ad189801:56:24,210 --> 01:56:28,920insertion? Never. There you go.That's definitive,189901:56:29,010 --> 01:56:30,300Unknown: except on Sundays.190001:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,170Dave Jones: That's definitive.There you190101:56:34,170 --> 01:56:36,960Adam Curry: go. Don't use it.Don't do it. People save190201:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,500yourself.190301:56:38,010 --> 01:56:41,970Dave Jones: Borlaug. 20,021 setsnote. Thank190401:56:41,970 --> 01:56:43,620Adam Curry: you though Borlaug,thank you appreciate it.190501:56:43,650 --> 01:56:47,010Dave Jones: But then Borlaugcomes back with 20,023 sets and190601:56:47,010 --> 01:56:51,360there is a note okay. He saysthese two boasts boosts are twin190701:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,030primes, just like the two ofyou. Thanks for what you have190801:56:54,030 --> 01:56:55,590done with this project and willthank you,190901:56:56,490 --> 01:56:57,390Adam Curry: Grace. Yes, I191001:56:57,390 --> 01:57:00,870Dave Jones: appreciate it. Butwho is this is this lavish?191101:57:01,470 --> 01:57:05,280lavish boot? Did you get this100,000 boost from lavish?191201:57:05,309 --> 01:57:08,219Adam Curry: I don't recallanything from lavish Let me see.191301:57:09,059 --> 01:57:11,189Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, you didthe gutter punk innovators? Yes.191401:57:11,189 --> 01:57:12,209Yeah, we got. We did.191501:57:12,240 --> 01:57:16,320Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well,now we got to a couple more191601:57:16,320 --> 01:57:22,110booths just came in. See dubsone a one a 110 1101. Thank you191701:57:22,110 --> 01:57:29,670very much. And striper boost77,000 77,777 from Steve Webb,191801:57:29,670 --> 01:57:32,970the OG God caster. He says Hey,guys, just checking in from191901:57:32,970 --> 01:57:36,870Lifespring media central gopodcasting. Oh, good podcast.192001:57:38,550 --> 01:57:42,300Steve Webb I saw him in the top10 on fountain with his192101:57:42,480 --> 01:57:48,960lifestyle I think it was It ishis? Which one was it? He's192201:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,270doing like the Bible one throughthe Bible.192301:57:51,299 --> 01:57:53,879Dave Jones: The one that goes onwith it. Yeah, for every192401:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,460Adam Curry: single day. Yeah,it's nice. And speaking of192501:57:56,460 --> 01:58:01,950striper boost turns out Iinterviewed striper on MTV and192601:58:01,950 --> 01:58:04,500there's like a there's like avideo of Did you see that?192701:58:05,820 --> 01:58:07,980Dave Jones: The guy with abroken foot? Yeah, I'm192801:58:07,980 --> 01:58:10,230Adam Curry: like holy crap. Ican't believe that if only they192901:58:10,230 --> 01:58:14,520knew that they had become aboost number. It will be so they193001:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,740will be pleased I'm sure. Andlike193101:58:16,740 --> 01:58:18,780Dave Jones: this, like this,Steve came in with a striper193201:58:18,780 --> 01:58:21,510boost to offset that Satanboost. Yeah, that's thanks. Yes.193301:58:22,470 --> 01:58:25,170Adam Curry: There you go. That'sexactly how it works. Yes.193401:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,990Beautiful. Thank you very much.We needed that Steve. Thanks.193501:58:28,770 --> 01:58:30,960Dave Jones: There's aboutbalances restored. Perfect193601:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,150Adam Curry: timing. Yes, theworld is good again. Who?193701:58:33,750 --> 01:58:34,950Dave Jones: Really Schonfeld?193801:58:36,330 --> 01:58:37,920Adam Curry: Was you Oh, what didyou say now?193901:58:38,280 --> 01:58:45,750Dave Jones: 4321. He sayslistening in Fiat speed I like194001:58:45,750 --> 01:58:49,110it. I'll take it. Thank you Roycomic strip blogger the194101:58:49,110 --> 01:58:52,740delimiters 30 3015 throughfountain he says delicious194201:58:52,770 --> 01:58:56,790delicious Dave and appetizingAdam no goodness. once a194301:58:56,790 --> 01:59:00,300fortnight start your day rightwith a nutritious helping of the194401:59:00,300 --> 01:59:05,310AI cooking podcast, a 2.0compliant V for V certified show194501:59:05,550 --> 01:59:09,780where the deliciously nimbleTang goof aka Gregory Forman,194601:59:10,050 --> 01:59:14,310The Once and Future King ofkinit, aka the COC delivers.194701:59:16,140 --> 01:59:17,880Adam Curry: It means somethingdifferent in Britain194801:59:18,690 --> 01:59:22,080Dave Jones: delivers tastymorsel after morsel of news194901:59:22,080 --> 01:59:25,080items about artificialintelligence, because complexity195001:59:25,170 --> 01:59:28,560and brevity are a handsomebedfellows. Yo CSB.195101:59:28,950 --> 01:59:31,230Adam Curry: Thank you CSB foralways supporting every single195201:59:31,230 --> 01:59:36,540show I've ever heard in my lifeand I hope it's working out this195301:59:36,540 --> 01:59:41,310is probably the longest runningpromotion that that has been195401:59:41,310 --> 01:59:45,390going on for for podcasts iswhat he is doing for AI cooking.195501:59:45,870 --> 01:59:48,120Dave Jones: We need to startmarketing this you know, like195601:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,650Todd does for GoDaddy, thelongest running continuous195701:59:52,650 --> 01:59:56,100podcast sponsored DSP thelongest running continuous195801:59:56,100 --> 01:59:56,700booster195901:59:56,730 --> 01:59:59,220Adam Curry: Yep, he's justright. And he podcast and196001:59:59,220 --> 02:00:02,670consistently And he'll boostagain if he if he misses a split196102:00:02,670 --> 02:00:04,560he'll complain make it fixed.196202:00:06,359 --> 02:00:07,889Dave Jones: He'll bet you buttonduty day196302:00:07,949 --> 02:00:09,869Adam Curry: I never have toworry if my umbrella is down196402:00:09,869 --> 02:00:13,169because it's coming to your blogit will let me know. I don't196502:00:13,169 --> 02:00:15,959need to run any service thatchecks I just see SP he'll take196602:00:15,959 --> 02:00:19,259care of it's like pager duty.Whatever he has paid. Remember196702:00:19,259 --> 02:00:23,909that pager duty I had paid duty.Goodness. Oh man. Oh man. Oh,196802:00:23,909 --> 02:00:24,239man.196902:00:24,599 --> 02:00:27,659Dave Jones: Oh, we got somegotcha monthlies. Monthly. Yes.197002:00:28,709 --> 02:00:31,679Sorry for the long donation.Second level. We had that mix up197102:00:31,679 --> 02:00:37,049last week, so you gotta get adeal. Wallasey Cameron Rose $25.197202:00:37,049 --> 02:00:44,099Joseph maraca $5. Will you mang$5 Jeremy new $5 pod verse, LLC197302:00:44,099 --> 02:00:50,789$50. Thank you, Michelle. Laurenball $24.20. Basil, Philip $25.197402:00:51,209 --> 02:00:56,729Mitch Downey, of pod verse $10.And Christopher Paul robotic $10197502:00:56,850 --> 02:00:58,920Adam Curry: Thank you. Oh, yeah,thank you all so much for197602:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,730supporting podcasting 2.0 as theonly way that it can be197702:01:02,730 --> 02:01:06,480supported the only way that itwill continue as existence that197802:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,340is through supporting thepodcast and of course,197902:01:08,340 --> 02:01:11,850supporting everything that we doat podcast index.org podcast198002:01:11,850 --> 02:01:15,810index dot social. Edie had, doyou ever have a chance to make a198102:01:15,810 --> 02:01:20,280calculation about what it wouldcost to upgrade the gear to do198202:01:20,490 --> 02:01:24,180full indexing of episode notes,etc?198302:01:25,980 --> 02:01:30,270Dave Jones: Oh, no, no, I mean,we're gonna have to update we're198402:01:30,270 --> 02:01:32,190gonna have to upgrade thedatabase instance.198502:01:32,879 --> 02:01:34,679Adam Curry: Again, we didn'tjust do that about a couple198602:01:34,679 --> 02:01:35,249months ago.198702:01:35,549 --> 02:01:39,089Dave Jones: No, I was able toput it off. Okay, okay. Yeah, I198802:01:39,089 --> 02:01:42,389stretched it stretched ourbudget. So I was able to make198902:01:42,389 --> 02:01:45,779that happen. But but I've notdone that. Honestly, I just199002:01:45,779 --> 02:01:49,319don't even know. I mean,indexing 110 million episodes, a199102:01:49,319 --> 02:01:53,489full 4000 characters of eachdistrict199202:01:53,759 --> 02:01:56,699Adam Curry: would only be 4000.We can't index PDFs and other199302:01:56,699 --> 02:02:01,499stuff people throw in there. Oh,that's yeah, I like that.199402:02:01,499 --> 02:02:02,039Shocking.199502:02:02,100 --> 02:02:03,270Dave Jones: I know. It's gotyour kids199602:02:03,270 --> 02:02:06,570Adam Curry: a real shocker. Oh,no, we call that a bombs. Yes.199702:02:06,570 --> 02:02:07,470Oh, my God this199802:02:08,400 --> 02:02:11,190Dave Jones: week? Yeah, no, it?I don't know that. I don't know199902:02:11,190 --> 02:02:13,440how much it would be. I don'tthink isn't I don't know that is200002:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,100necessary.200102:02:14,280 --> 02:02:17,580Adam Curry: No, I'm just we getrequests. And so all I do is200202:02:17,580 --> 02:02:20,880just say, Hey, is it possible?Can we do it? No. Okay, fine. I200302:02:20,880 --> 02:02:21,330hope people200402:02:21,330 --> 02:02:23,100Dave Jones: are using the newpeople search because I think200502:02:23,100 --> 02:02:27,480it's read I spent some time on acouple of weeks ago. And it's200602:02:27,480 --> 02:02:30,180pretty good. Now. It's prettydarn good. Good200702:02:30,180 --> 02:02:33,690Adam Curry: Pocket Cast. They'reworking on their search. Are200802:02:33,690 --> 02:02:36,120they going to because they werealso going to integrate people?200902:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,030Right. Did they did so well.They ended up201002:02:39,030 --> 02:02:42,480Dave Jones: looking at theperson. Well, I don't know. I201102:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,220don't know why. I guess they'redoing their own search since201202:02:44,220 --> 02:02:45,300they spend so much time on it.201302:02:46,260 --> 02:02:48,450Adam Curry: But yeah, I mean,they could just use an API but201402:02:48,450 --> 02:02:52,890okay, go go go rebuild the wagonthere. Let me show you so if I201502:02:52,890 --> 02:02:55,710do Adam curry it'll just pop itup. Let me see.201602:02:55,740 --> 02:03:01,080Dave Jones: Oh, no, he's areusing ours. Yeah.201702:03:01,860 --> 02:03:04,860Adam Curry: Wow, that worksreally fast.201802:03:05,970 --> 02:03:08,280Dave Jones: Every everything Ido is fast brother. Yeah.201902:03:09,240 --> 02:03:10,860Adam Curry: Adam curry payload.202002:03:11,520 --> 02:03:14,100Dave Jones: What is this? Let'ssay we payload202102:03:15,030 --> 02:03:20,100Adam Curry: Adam curry payload.Adam Curry's RSS enclosure test202202:03:20,100 --> 02:03:23,580channel. Where's this from? Letme see.202302:03:24,060 --> 02:03:26,190Dave Jones: What what see doesit say that? Oh, this202402:03:26,190 --> 02:03:28,440Adam Curry: is from a radioweblogs feed this can't be202502:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,740active anymore candidate. Let'ssee if it plays anything. Does202602:03:31,740 --> 02:03:37,980it play anything? No. OperationIraqi convertible journalism202702:03:37,980 --> 02:03:42,450Mars. Are they crooked? What isthis stuff? This is great. None202802:03:42,450 --> 02:03:46,560of it works. But it's great. Oh,I'll tag this to be nuked.202902:03:47,220 --> 02:03:48,570Where'd that even come from?203002:03:48,780 --> 02:03:50,430Dave Jones: I would love what'sthe feed number what's the feed203102:03:50,430 --> 02:03:50,790ID203202:03:51,780 --> 02:03:56,100Adam Curry: for 605475 So that'snot that's pretty new.203302:03:57,180 --> 02:04:01,770Dave Jones: Force of some Chrisrising dug up out of the203402:04:01,830 --> 02:04:05,700Adam Curry: ether. Clearly,clearly Gary Leland I'm203502:04:05,700 --> 02:04:08,130Dave Jones: curious RSS includesyour test feed203602:04:08,220 --> 02:04:12,030Adam Curry: Adam curry freeculture. Adam curry daily Audio203702:04:12,030 --> 02:04:12,780Bible.203802:04:13,290 --> 02:04:16,710Dave Jones: Adam Adam listen tothis. If you click through to203902:04:16,710 --> 02:04:19,680the RSS feed, yeah, this thisgoes to204002:04:19,740 --> 02:04:27,360cyber.harvard.edu/rss/examples/rssenclosures example dot XML Holy204102:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,580moly. Wow, this is oh this thiswas last build date Sunday. 27th204202:04:32,580 --> 02:04:33,990of June 2004.204302:04:34,019 --> 02:04:35,519Adam Curry: Yeah. What's it toyou bro?204402:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,980Dave Jones: Generator, radiouser land V.204502:04:41,910 --> 02:04:44,760Adam Curry: I told you I toldyou that. Well, that's204602:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,070interesting. So they republishedsome feeds over there.204702:04:47,970 --> 02:04:50,040Dave Jones: Well, I think it'sprobably always been there204802:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,620forever. I bet you this is justsomething nobody even knows is204902:04:52,620 --> 02:04:56,460there anymore. Like so manyaspects of my life. I'm not205002:04:56,460 --> 02:04:58,590killing this feat. Otherindexes. This is history205102:04:58,590 --> 02:04:58,950brother.205202:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,370Adam Curry: All right. Everybodythat'll conclude our broadcast205302:05:02,370 --> 02:05:06,840day to buck 10 Wow, we're reallystretching it out these days. We205402:05:06,840 --> 02:05:09,450need to get some guests on so wehurried up whenever we have goes205502:05:09,450 --> 02:05:10,200much shorter.205602:05:10,620 --> 02:05:16,470Dave Jones: We've got we've gotTom Rossi from Buzzsprout next205702:05:16,470 --> 02:05:19,050week oh cool about Yeah, I'm205802:05:19,050 --> 02:05:20,430Adam Curry: gonna havecorruption so I'm going to ask205902:05:20,430 --> 02:05:25,110him about this. This podcaststandard project. Yeah, yep. And206002:05:25,110 --> 02:05:27,840we will clearly behind itclearly he's206102:05:30,630 --> 02:05:32,070Dave Jones: probably gonna askhim about his about what?206202:05:34,410 --> 02:05:36,720Adam Curry: Alright, brotherDave, thank you. I know this is206302:05:36,750 --> 02:05:40,530really crazy times for you withwith your with your work with206402:05:40,530 --> 02:05:44,070tax coming up. You know, doesthat all end on the 16th and206502:05:44,100 --> 02:05:46,650then all sudden, you just get tolet out a big sigh.206602:05:47,130 --> 02:05:50,340Dave Jones: Yes. I think it maybe the 17th this year,206702:05:50,700 --> 02:05:52,620Adam Curry: though. That'sright. The 16th is the final206802:05:52,620 --> 02:05:53,400date. Yeah.206902:05:53,940 --> 02:05:56,730Dave Jones: Yep. I'm home withit. Actually, my daughter's sick207002:05:56,730 --> 02:05:57,330today so207102:05:57,599 --> 02:06:01,109Adam Curry: Oh, she'd be okay.207202:06:01,590 --> 02:06:03,630Dave Jones: Yeah, she's fine.She ran a fever just some some207302:06:03,630 --> 02:06:05,220low fever virus and just doesn'twant207402:06:05,220 --> 02:06:07,260Adam Curry: to go to school. Igot I know how you dip the207502:06:07,260 --> 02:06:09,510thermometer and some hot waterlike oh, I don't feel good.207602:06:10,650 --> 02:06:16,380Yeah. All right, chat room.Thank you very much. Thank you207702:06:16,380 --> 02:06:18,630to all the boosters who came inand support us. We really207802:06:18,630 --> 02:06:21,630appreciate it. This has been thepodcasting 2.0 board meeting we207902:06:21,630 --> 02:06:26,430return next week. With anotherinvigorating board meeting join208002:06:26,430 --> 02:06:28,590us launch it for broadcasting2.0.208102:06:43,800 --> 02:06:48,360Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast208202:06:48,360 --> 02:06:50,910index dashboard for moreinformation