Episode 124: Undeplatformable

100:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,210Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 March4 2023 Episode 124 on D flat200:00:06,210 --> 00:00:12,990formable hello everybody welcometo a delayed board meeting of300:00:12,990 --> 00:00:17,070podcasting 2.0 preserving,protecting and extending the400:00:17,100 --> 00:00:20,220open independent podcastingecosystem that's what we're all500:00:20,220 --> 00:00:22,980about. And we talk about it oncea week with everybody in the600:00:22,980 --> 00:00:25,740board meeting everythinghappening at podcast index.org700:00:25,950 --> 00:00:29,190Of course the podcast namespaceand everything at podcast index800:00:29,190 --> 00:00:31,890dot social. I'm Adam curry herein the heart of the tech show900:00:31,890 --> 00:00:36,060country and Alabama. The man whofills up your generator say1000:00:36,060 --> 00:00:38,460hello to my friend on the otherend. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.1100:00:38,460 --> 00:00:40,080Dave Jones.1200:00:41,340 --> 00:00:43,260Unknown: Adam Clark curry. Yes.1300:00:44,790 --> 00:00:47,970Dave Jones: Don't for one day.Party.1400:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,460Adam Curry: Why are you beingstern with me? You threw out an1500:00:50,460 --> 00:00:53,070Adam Clark curry that triggeredme right away.1600:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,660Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I knew itwould.1700:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,390Adam Curry: David Ashley Jones.1800:00:57,510 --> 00:01:03,150Dave Jones: Yes. There's onlyone I only have one rule and1900:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,770then no part no part long gone.2000:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,030Adam Curry: But we cleaned up.There was only Dame DeLoreans2100:01:09,030 --> 00:01:11,700panties apparently around theflagpole. Everything else was2200:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,060clean. We didn't do anything.Anything bad. I'm so sorry.2300:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,540Dave Jones: It was muchentertaining.2400:01:18,570 --> 00:01:20,910Adam Curry: Oh, well. You heardit while you're at the office2500:01:20,910 --> 00:01:21,330listening.2600:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,630Dave Jones: I got a bootleg. Igot somebody sent me a bootleg.2700:01:24,630 --> 00:01:25,290Okay, I2800:01:25,290 --> 00:01:28,020Adam Curry: purposely did notrecord because I didn't want any2900:01:28,020 --> 00:01:30,660evidence that we were breakingthe law not only breaking the3000:01:30,660 --> 00:01:34,020law by playing two and a halfhours of licensed music on the3100:01:34,020 --> 00:01:38,010stream, but also taking moneyfor it which which is, I think a3200:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,300super violation.3300:01:40,020 --> 00:01:44,040Dave Jones: There there is thereis a bootleg if you know the3400:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,060right guy down on Fifth Avenue,behind the corner.3500:01:48,630 --> 00:01:50,400Adam Curry: Canal Street is whatyou're talking about Canal3600:01:50,400 --> 00:01:50,700Street.3700:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,850Dave Jones: With enough sets youcan get a you can get a bootleg3800:01:53,850 --> 00:01:54,210for those3900:01:54,210 --> 00:01:55,680Adam Curry: who are wonderingwhat we're talking about.4000:01:55,770 --> 00:01:58,740Yesterday, we were ready to gofor our regular regularly4100:01:58,740 --> 00:02:02,250scheduled board meeting time.And well there were two things4200:02:02,250 --> 00:02:05,580that happen actually, I now thehill country here in Texas had4300:02:05,580 --> 00:02:10,620had a pretty big storm. I haveThursday, Friday and Thursday4400:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,620and Thursday morning was reallybad with golf ball sized hail,4500:02:13,950 --> 00:02:19,020which sounded great against ourmetal roof. In the morning, I4600:02:19,020 --> 00:02:22,470was crazy. I was I mean the dogwas freaked out. I have not seen4700:02:22,470 --> 00:02:25,380our dog freaked out by anything.But this freaked her out. And4800:02:25,380 --> 00:02:32,700then Friday it just I mean, itreally missed Fredericksburg and4900:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,450went right past us. Some prayerwas involved, I'm sure. But5000:02:37,650 --> 00:02:40,080Dave Jones: yes, diversionaryprayer. Yes, I forgot.5100:02:40,830 --> 00:02:44,130Adam Curry: Yes, but I forgot toadd a diversionary tactic for5200:02:44,130 --> 00:02:49,020you. And it hit pretty hard. SoSo now, somewhere down the line,5300:02:49,020 --> 00:02:52,020my bandwidth was totallycrapping out my upstream was5400:02:52,020 --> 00:02:57,030about 500 kilobits per second,which is not the typical5500:02:57,030 --> 00:03:01,080upstream. And that just as as Iwas figuring that out, you know,5600:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,420bringing out different accesspoints. I've gotten, you know,5700:03:06,420 --> 00:03:10,800I've got T Mobile Verizon, Ihave, if all else fails, I've5800:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,100got Starlink, although that doesintroduce some latency. So we're5900:03:14,100 --> 00:03:16,800messing around with that. Andthen Dave goes, Oh, bad signal.6000:03:16,830 --> 00:03:19,590The power went down in theoffice. What happened there?6100:03:20,220 --> 00:03:24,450Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that'sso yeah, I guess yesterday was a6200:03:24,450 --> 00:03:28,980total cluster. I mean, like, Igot in the car, even going back6300:03:28,980 --> 00:03:33,540before what? What happened withthe show, I got in the car, to6400:03:33,540 --> 00:03:37,320leave to go to the office forwork. And I get a ping on my6500:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,400phone. I look down at the phoneand it says, you've got a guest,6600:03:41,400 --> 00:03:47,010Mike, Michael and Sam from wavelake at 9am. Oh, right. What?6700:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,830None, right? No. 30. And so Iget to the office and I emailed6800:03:52,830 --> 00:03:53,490them. And I'm like,6900:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,050Adam Curry: and they're alwaysthere. We're sitting ready. They7000:03:55,050 --> 00:03:56,580got the headphones on everythinggood.7100:03:58,500 --> 00:04:01,770Dave Jones: I was like, Hey,guys, please tell me this was a7200:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,650this was a timezone mix up. AndI didn't actually send you a7300:04:04,650 --> 00:04:06,570load report. And they were like,No, you send it for nine. I was7400:04:06,570 --> 00:04:07,500like, damn it.7500:04:08,130 --> 00:04:10,080Adam Curry: How does it? Howdoes that happen? Because you7600:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,470use you know, use Google useyour calendar for that.7700:04:14,070 --> 00:04:16,920Dave Jones: Now use fast mails,calendar, but it's all through7800:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,420the iPhone. I don't think I'veever messed that up in in a7900:04:21,420 --> 00:04:25,590mess. I just totally boned it. Imean, like, it was terrible. And8000:04:25,590 --> 00:04:28,890then it turned out it was it wasactually good that they didn't,8100:04:29,100 --> 00:04:32,520they didn't that we had to movethe interview because then all8200:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,350that stuff happened with yourbandwidth and then the power8300:04:34,350 --> 00:04:37,800went off at work. And so then Iwas like, I gotta go back. I8400:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,960mean, I gotta get back to theoffice now.8500:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,410Adam Curry: Does it blip or doesit fail over nicely to the to8600:04:43,410 --> 00:04:46,860the UPS is that handle theswitch over to the generator?8700:04:47,220 --> 00:04:51,180Dave Jones: Yes, it's same. It'sseamless. But see, we have for8800:04:51,210 --> 00:04:54,420four reasons. We can't getnatural gas. We have diesel8900:04:54,420 --> 00:04:55,950generator. And so9000:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,830Adam Curry: you are singlehandedly responsible for climate9100:04:58,830 --> 00:04:59,640change right now.9200:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,170Dave Jones: If I was and I was Iwas pouring five gallons of9300:05:04,170 --> 00:05:08,430climate change into thegenerator with every jug less9400:05:08,430 --> 00:05:08,550than9500:05:10,349 --> 00:05:12,989Adam Curry: five gallons ofclimate change coming right up.9600:05:13,019 --> 00:05:15,899That's how they should measureit. Oh my god, yeah, pretty9700:05:15,899 --> 00:05:16,589climate change.9800:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,970Dave Jones: And that's the so Igot like, the lightning struck9900:05:20,970 --> 00:05:23,970the power pole that feeds ourbuilding and we have three phase10000:05:23,970 --> 00:05:27,750power. So it took one of thelines, it was just gone. I mean,10100:05:27,750 --> 00:05:30,360like it just blew the thing offthe pole. And10200:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,209Adam Curry: what the wholetransformer blew right off the10300:05:33,209 --> 00:05:33,539pole.10400:05:33,570 --> 00:05:35,460Dave Jones: There wasn't atransformer it's like it's like10500:05:35,460 --> 00:05:39,240there's it's three phase so youget three lines coming in in one10600:05:39,300 --> 00:05:45,420one of the connector lines thatgo off the main was just gone.10700:05:45,660 --> 00:05:48,810And so the power of come theycame out10800:05:49,980 --> 00:05:52,230Adam Curry: you didn't get youryour your gear out and clamp in10900:05:52,230 --> 00:05:53,640the pole and reconnect thatthing.11000:05:55,050 --> 00:05:57,210Dave Jones: I don't I don'tknow. I don't do a lot of poll11100:05:57,210 --> 00:05:57,960work these days.11200:06:00,300 --> 00:06:01,110Adam Curry: These days.11300:06:01,650 --> 00:06:07,890Dave Jones: Now now I'm on allthis. Now, because the isobar is11400:06:07,890 --> 00:06:10,170working so well now I'm justfeet. I'm trying to feed the11500:06:10,170 --> 00:06:11,790isobar as much as I can I sell11600:06:11,790 --> 00:06:13,890Adam Curry: bought isunbelievable. I love I was just11700:06:13,890 --> 00:06:16,320telling Tina, how that works isthat how does that happen? How11800:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,260do they even do that? It's magicmap. They have running, running11900:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,000some kind of transcript in realtime.12000:06:21,780 --> 00:06:23,400Dave Jones: But I got home aboutone o'clock in the morning.12100:06:23,430 --> 00:06:26,520Adam Curry: Oh my goodness.Power was back on by them.12200:06:27,510 --> 00:06:29,730Dave Jones: Yeah, where theyfixed so we had to turn because12300:06:29,730 --> 00:06:33,330it wasn't actually all the wayout. It was just it was out of12400:06:33,330 --> 00:06:37,710phase. Only one of the lines wasgone. So things were like12500:06:38,550 --> 00:06:44,490flickering lights. were flashinglike disco tech. Yeah.12600:06:45,660 --> 00:06:47,370Adam Curry: Phasing. Oh, that'sfantastic.12700:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,940Dave Jones: That was horrible.It was scary. So they were like12800:06:50,940 --> 00:06:52,440yeah, we're shutting the wholething. We're just shutting the12900:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,950whole Yeah, make sense. Anyway,so did didn't want that. But it13000:06:55,950 --> 00:06:58,890was it was just a weird, man.It's just a weird weekend so13100:06:58,890 --> 00:07:00,330far. Very strange.13200:07:00,990 --> 00:07:03,660Adam Curry: Well, I'm so hotman. So and you and your work13300:07:03,660 --> 00:07:06,840today as well at the office? Idid. Yeah. Because he went right13400:07:06,840 --> 00:07:12,090back in at nine o'clock. No. Wasthere eight? Yeah. After getting13500:07:12,090 --> 00:07:12,810home at one.13600:07:13,530 --> 00:07:15,600Dave Jones: Yeah, but I'm gonnaI'm gonna sleep really good13700:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,300tomorrow. Okay, I'm making thattoday. I'm making up for it.13800:07:18,300 --> 00:07:21,510Tonight. I took a shower, beforethe show to like, wake myself up13900:07:21,510 --> 00:07:22,500getting myself fired up.14000:07:22,530 --> 00:07:24,930Adam Curry: Yeah. You're lit.14100:07:25,860 --> 00:07:28,140Dave Jones: Lit and lit. is litas I can14200:07:28,140 --> 00:07:31,440Adam Curry: get this show islit, which is the formula for14300:07:31,500 --> 00:07:35,160for success. As far as I'mconcerned. This is a live item14400:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,090tag where if you use theappropriate podcast app, you'll14500:07:39,090 --> 00:07:42,300actually get an alert for thispod verse seems to be the one14600:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,480that's doing it the best I thinkpodcast addict has it and don't14700:07:45,660 --> 00:07:49,770is that out of beta yet. Thepodcast addict alert system.14800:07:50,100 --> 00:07:54,870Okay. And of course, Europecurio caster. I was looking at14900:07:54,870 --> 00:08:00,240the charts yesterday. With mespinning our tunes for two and a15000:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,760half hours, something reallymagically happened. And to me,15100:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,630it was yeah, it happens during aregular show, too. But there's15200:08:09,630 --> 00:08:14,010something about the audienceparticipation that just went15300:08:14,010 --> 00:08:17,910with the flow. And, you know,because of course we have the15400:08:17,910 --> 00:08:20,880chat room when you when you usepod verse, the chat room opens15500:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,240up, you get the live signal. Yougo into the live the live item15600:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,090right there and your list. Youcan chat along and you can boost15700:08:27,090 --> 00:08:30,660in real time. And I think wasTodd Cochran. Mr. Blueberry, he15800:08:30,660 --> 00:08:35,250started off. He's like 25,000SATs and he wanted a song. And15900:08:35,250 --> 00:08:39,210he said right there, the nextrequest has to be five more. And16000:08:39,210 --> 00:08:42,690it was like, Okay, the next onewas 30,000. And then I think,16100:08:43,500 --> 00:08:48,750was Carolyn Blaney. She sent20,000 requested something, but16200:08:48,750 --> 00:08:52,710blueberry came in and said, I'mgonna add 15,000 to make up so16300:08:52,710 --> 00:08:55,740it's 35 for her request. Andpeople just do things up and up16400:08:55,740 --> 00:09:00,720and up, like 5060 70,000 SATsand requests and I'm like, stop.16500:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,210First of all, I was embarrassed.Yeah. But also, I discovered16600:09:06,210 --> 00:09:11,520something else. When you open upthe stream to requests, you get16700:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,970a lot of shit. It's not reallynecessarily in the groove of the16800:09:14,970 --> 00:09:19,260dance party. Metallica Okay,right? Yeah, I like Metallica16900:09:19,260 --> 00:09:22,380too. It's just, you know, andthen followed by polka music17000:09:22,380 --> 00:09:25,770from Weird Al Yankovic it was itwas a little a little hectic, it17100:09:25,770 --> 00:09:29,430was all over the spectrum. Butwe had a good very reminiscent17200:09:29,430 --> 00:09:32,400Dave Jones: of FUBAR Fridayswith the Dropbox.17300:09:33,900 --> 00:09:35,640Adam Curry: Daily source code.Exactly.17400:09:35,790 --> 00:09:38,190Dave Jones: Yeah, that was allover the map to like some of the17500:09:38,190 --> 00:09:40,200some of those was like, okay,yeah,17600:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,410Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. But itwas it was really fun. And it17700:09:43,410 --> 00:09:48,090was just nice to see everyonekind of go with the flow. And17800:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,830that's something that we'rebringing something really17900:09:52,830 --> 00:09:56,070beautiful back that existedmany, many many years ago. I18000:09:56,070 --> 00:10:01,080mean, these days you even haveOkay, I should probably play18100:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,740this chat GPT is now doing radioGPT they're literally pitching18200:10:09,120 --> 00:10:15,960AI voices to run your radiostation. And I got to play this18300:10:15,990 --> 00:10:20,280this little demo they have. Soas I've done a lot of top 4018400:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,440radio work certainly in the inthe 90s, late 80s, early 90s it18500:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,990already was very formulaic. Nowyou had a lot of leeway18600:10:27,990 --> 00:10:30,900depending on who you were whattime slot you have, you know18700:10:30,900 --> 00:10:36,150what station, but in general,Steve Kingston legendary program18800:10:36,150 --> 00:10:39,360director who was at GE 100 WhenI was there, he would say, Hey,18900:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,890man, and a monkey could do this.Just read the liner cards and19000:10:43,890 --> 00:10:48,690hit the button. And literally,that's it always ended with z19100:10:48,690 --> 00:10:49,320100.19200:10:51,390 --> 00:10:52,620Dave Jones: That's in New York,right? Z. When19300:10:52,620 --> 00:10:55,710Adam Curry: do you want 100?Toby? Yeah, I was brought in by19400:10:55,710 --> 00:10:58,680Scott Shannon, who's the legendwho I've you know, had probably19500:10:58,710 --> 00:11:01,650any of my radio career to thankbecause I emulated him so much.19600:11:02,010 --> 00:11:06,840So the I all the elements thatyou know, just for the regular19700:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,750jocks I will say for you know,except for drive time in the19800:11:09,750 --> 00:11:13,770morning, and drive time in theafternoon. everyone kind of has19900:11:13,770 --> 00:11:16,920to follow these rules overnight.You could break some some, some20000:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,330rules and stuff, but now theystill the most expensive part of20100:11:21,330 --> 00:11:24,840any organization is going to bepeople so screw the DJs get rid20200:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,570of the button pushers. We don'teven need monkeys anymore.20300:11:27,780 --> 00:11:32,850Listen to this promo from radioGPT. And by the way, everything20400:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,270that they're talking about issomething that you are told and20500:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,660trained to do as a disc jockey.These days eatery20600:11:39,690 --> 00:11:42,450Unknown: is revolutionizing theaudio industry with the launch20700:11:42,450 --> 00:11:46,560of radio GPT, the world's firstAI driven localized radio20800:11:46,560 --> 00:11:52,710content solution. Ready radioGPT combines the power of GPT20900:11:52,710 --> 00:11:56,280three technology with futureease AI driven story discovery21000:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,690and social content system Rubikposts, as well as AI voice tech21100:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,780to provide an unmatchedlocalized radio experience for21200:12:03,780 --> 00:12:09,810any market any format or gridusing q3. Link. Topical system,21300:12:09,930 --> 00:12:14,400along with AI voice technology,radio GPT brings a radio station21400:12:14,400 --> 00:12:14,910to life.21500:12:15,570 --> 00:12:17,250Adam Curry: It brings the radiostation to life.21600:12:18,090 --> 00:12:19,740Dave Jones: It actually kills.21700:12:20,130 --> 00:12:22,590Unknown: I can see what's inyour music log and talk about21800:12:22,590 --> 00:12:25,890the songs or artists on yourstation. Oh, wow,21900:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,670Dave Jones: you're dead.22000:12:27,450 --> 00:12:29,550Unknown: I can see what'shappening in your local market22100:12:29,550 --> 00:12:32,430right now and talk about it inreal time. Right? It looks like22200:12:32,430 --> 00:12:35,730the Dairy Queen is flooded. Ican post on your Facebook,22300:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,240Instagram, Twitter and tick tockduring my show. Hey, I'm22400:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,260Adam Curry: doing a show. Listen22500:12:40,260 --> 00:12:41,700Unknown: to me talk about what'scoming up.22600:12:41,910 --> 00:12:42,780Adam Curry: I'm going to record.22700:12:43,740 --> 00:12:46,710Unknown: I am great at teasingand pre promoting content going22800:12:46,710 --> 00:12:47,460into breaks.22900:12:47,490 --> 00:12:51,060Adam Curry: Oh, you're teasing.Oh, yeah. Coming up next on 100.23000:12:51,090 --> 00:12:54,780Unknown: I can talk about theweather or traffic is nice. I23100:12:54,780 --> 00:12:57,150can see how many people arelistening right now through23200:12:57,150 --> 00:13:00,180future streaming and say helloto certain locations.23300:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,640Dave Jones: Oh, Cleveland.23400:13:03,479 --> 00:13:06,119Unknown: I can take open micaudio from listeners using23500:13:06,119 --> 00:13:08,819future immobile and incorporatetheir thoughts. Oh, yeah, the23600:13:08,819 --> 00:13:09,179Rockies23700:13:09,180 --> 00:13:09,810Dave Jones: go Oh, yeah,23800:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,260Adam Curry: that'll that'll endwell. I think gone are the days23900:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,900of Shindig, what was yourfavorite radio station?24000:13:16,950 --> 00:13:20,970Unknown: questions and feedbackinto my show. I can share news24100:13:20,970 --> 00:13:23,790updates and current eventsrelevant to your audience's24200:13:23,790 --> 00:13:25,230interests and demographics.24300:13:25,259 --> 00:13:29,969Adam Curry: Okay, she knows myinterest in demographics. But24400:13:29,969 --> 00:13:31,289Donna had a buddy and plans.24500:13:32,250 --> 00:13:34,980Unknown: I have experiencedconducting engaging interviews24600:13:35,010 --> 00:13:36,990with notable guests and expertsnow.24700:13:38,550 --> 00:13:41,250Adam Curry: This is the one thisis the one that I'm like you're24800:13:41,250 --> 00:13:44,010gonna do an interview withnotable guests okay?24900:13:44,580 --> 00:13:47,460Unknown: You can give awayprizes, tickets, and exclusive25000:13:47,460 --> 00:13:51,090experiences to listeners throughon air contests using future25100:13:51,090 --> 00:13:52,470mobile splash contesting25200:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,720Adam Curry: flash contesting itshould be Whoa, would you be25300:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,950contrasting but okay,25400:13:56,490 --> 00:13:59,010Unknown: I am skilled atcreating unique and entertaining25500:13:59,010 --> 00:14:02,010breaks that keep your audienceengaged and coming back for25600:14:02,010 --> 00:14:02,370more.25700:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,940Adam Curry: So this this driveland by the way, they have a25800:14:05,940 --> 00:14:10,800video of this of this AI bot shedoesn't blink and trust me to be25900:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,710a good podcast or like me yougot to blink have to read all26000:14:13,710 --> 00:14:16,830kinds of ticks otherwise youjust no good you got to have26100:14:16,830 --> 00:14:17,070that26200:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,260Dave Jones: most that's thebottom bar26300:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,260Adam Curry: is not blinking. Sothis of course is atrocious. But26400:14:25,290 --> 00:14:29,580this will this will get getradio airtime people will do26500:14:29,580 --> 00:14:33,810this. And compared to what wehad going on yesterday. It's26600:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,430there's just no comparison thatthe thing lived it live. And26700:14:38,430 --> 00:14:42,060people were feeding back in realtime. The whole thing was just a26800:14:42,060 --> 00:14:46,080beautiful experience. It was sospecial about it26900:14:46,350 --> 00:14:51,480Dave Jones: as a DJ Yeah. Imean, so this is this was great.27000:14:51,930 --> 00:14:58,770So I'm listening to the bootleg.And, and, and it's it reminded27100:14:58,770 --> 00:15:01,920me so you weren't expectingthing. You weren't expecting for27200:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,890things to go in that direction?No, I was not like better No,27300:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,680yeah, back in the day when youwould do a daily source code and27400:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,920things would you came in knowingwhat you were getting your your27500:15:11,070 --> 00:15:11,940bad rest on,27600:15:12,150 --> 00:15:13,890Adam Curry: that allows stuff.Yeah, good to go. Yeah.27700:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,090Dave Jones: And so this, this,this evolved at the first, maybe27800:15:18,090 --> 00:15:23,040the first 15 minutes or so 20minutes, you're kind of like27900:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,090understanding where this thingwas headed. About 30 minutes28000:15:27,090 --> 00:15:29,490into it, you're hitting thegroove, I'm gonna like it was.28100:15:29,790 --> 00:15:33,030And then and then an hour in,you were just, I mean, it was28200:15:33,030 --> 00:15:36,690full, it was like it was 2004all over again. I mean, these28300:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,410are 2007. I mean, he's been,you're killing it.28400:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,870Adam Curry: The thing that wasthat was weird is I, you know,28500:15:42,870 --> 00:15:47,400Spotify, the he used to have.Spotify would allow third party28600:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,730apps. And you could have twosongs or more even. But you28700:15:50,730 --> 00:15:54,150could have two tracks, oneplaying and one queued up. So28800:15:54,150 --> 00:15:56,880while one is playing, you canthen go listen to another one.28900:15:57,060 --> 00:16:00,150But if you only have one,Spotify app, you can't queue29000:16:00,150 --> 00:16:03,870anything up. So I was literallylike stopping it clicking on29100:16:03,870 --> 00:16:06,390something while I'm talkingclicking on the next one. And29200:16:06,390 --> 00:16:08,340then because it had to load fora second, you know, the29300:16:08,340 --> 00:16:11,310bandwidth was kind of shitty aswell. So I was really just, you29400:16:11,310 --> 00:16:16,950know, it was very, very low barlow tech, to do it this way. And29500:16:16,950 --> 00:16:20,010luckily, I had a couple oftracks myself. So, you know, if29600:16:20,010 --> 00:16:22,680I was trying to queue somethingup, I could, you know, do29700:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920something else on a different apre fader Listen, but it was29800:16:25,950 --> 00:16:30,330definitely not ideal from a,from a music library standpoint,29900:16:30,330 --> 00:16:32,610it's too bad that Spotifydoesn't allow you to do that30000:16:32,610 --> 00:16:33,120anymore.30100:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,080Dave Jones: I've never doneobviously never done any of that30200:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,410kind of thing. So I'm imaginingthat the way it goes is your the30300:16:40,800 --> 00:16:46,710the track this live is playingand then you and then off sort30400:16:46,710 --> 00:16:51,120of offline or off air pre prefixyou okay, you're listening to30500:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,430the next tried to get up tofigure out what's what is going30600:16:53,430 --> 00:16:56,400to be Yeah, and then you cute.You're okay. That's how it goes.30700:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,370Yeah. The fact that you couldn'tdo that, and it was still as30800:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,010smooth as it was. I mean, yourbrother?30900:17:02,460 --> 00:17:05,070Adam Curry: Totally. Hey, I'malso available for bar mitzvahs31000:17:05,070 --> 00:17:13,020and weddings. boosters,boosters, boosters live. We've31100:17:13,020 --> 00:17:17,490saved yet another life. I'm veryhappy to. Very happy. Yeah,31200:17:17,490 --> 00:17:22,440well. I think this person wantedto stay anonymous. Okay, thanks31300:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,940for opening my eyes to the podfasting side effects, which I31400:17:26,940 --> 00:17:31,500think is called pod speeding.Because sound pod pod fasting31500:17:31,500 --> 00:17:34,020Dave Jones: sounds like you'renot lucky like you're listening.31600:17:34,020 --> 00:17:34,800Yes, yes.31700:17:34,890 --> 00:17:38,310Adam Curry: So my use case wasthis. I tried to listen to the31800:17:38,310 --> 00:17:43,260show live on pod verse. But mywife is in Germany, but my wife31900:17:43,260 --> 00:17:45,480wouldn't let me listen to thewhole show. So the next morning,32000:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,410I would one point 25 bit to relisten to the bits I heard, live32100:17:49,410 --> 00:17:52,680and catch up on the missed outsections. Of course, this meant32200:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,860that I'd be fidgety the dayafter now I know why. And I32300:17:55,860 --> 00:17:57,060won't do it again.32400:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,570Dave Jones: Thank you very muchabout that. There's a delay.32500:18:00,570 --> 00:18:03,840There's your it takes you a dayto come down.32600:18:03,870 --> 00:18:07,350Adam Curry: Yes. Okay, well, howabout this? So RTP Richard32700:18:07,350 --> 00:18:11,820Peterson, key cop something whenyou and I were discussing this,32800:18:12,030 --> 00:18:16,320and it really blew my mind Ihave to set it up. So when we32900:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,980were talking about you know thatthis stuff can hijack your33000:18:19,980 --> 00:18:23,550nervous system and makes youimpatient with the people you33100:18:23,580 --> 00:18:28,260around you who you love or nipthe office or your kids. It33200:18:28,260 --> 00:18:32,190conditions you to accept fakepeople like that radio GPT lady,33300:18:32,610 --> 00:18:35,820you know, there's a whole bunchof downsides to it. And you said33400:18:35,820 --> 00:18:38,040that, you know, you had heard mebitching about this several33500:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,570years ago. And and you stoppeddoing it and you notice that33600:18:42,930 --> 00:18:45,390immediately you or not like aday or two later you had more33700:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,940patience, right? Am I myrecounting that correctly?33800:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,430Dave Jones: Yeah, it took acouple of days it took two three33900:18:50,430 --> 00:18:54,480days and then I realized thateverything felt more right and34000:18:54,510 --> 00:18:58,140like everything just feltnormal. And like like as far as34100:18:58,140 --> 00:19:01,230listening to the speak because Iwas so used to I've been34200:19:01,230 --> 00:19:07,020listening to you guys for yearson fast speed and it took it34300:19:07,020 --> 00:19:12,840took two or three days for me toget used to not hearing you like34400:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,860that. But then it's like is assoon as my mind adjusted to it,34500:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,580everything else fell into placeto own on like in the world.34600:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,960Adam Curry: So one of the thingsyou would use is the silence34700:19:24,960 --> 00:19:31,860chopper. From Yes, so now listento that podcast. So this is last34800:19:31,860 --> 00:19:38,310week's board meeting the minuteyou start talking about the sped34900:19:38,310 --> 00:19:44,370up chopped silences you actuallystart talking fast. Listen to it35000:19:44,490 --> 00:19:46,410as a as a reformed35100:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,270Dave Jones: podcast, multi multimulti XOR I don't know what you35200:19:51,270 --> 00:19:55,170call that multispeed personsick. Yeah. Yeah, as a35300:19:56,910 --> 00:19:58,320Unknown: form, sicko. Yeah,35400:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,920Dave Jones: I used I used tolisten to All my podcasts in one35500:20:02,220 --> 00:20:07,680at one point I speed up speed upwith the with the whatever35600:20:07,710 --> 00:20:10,380whatever that thing is wherechops out the silences between35700:20:10,410 --> 00:20:11,190them and all that kind of stuff.35800:20:11,220 --> 00:20:12,990Adam Curry: Yeah, the silencechopper. Did you hear what you35900:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,330just did there? Yeah, I started36000:20:15,330 --> 00:20:17,730Dave Jones: as I just went, boom36100:20:17,730 --> 00:20:19,380Adam Curry: a little bit. Yeah.And then and then right after36200:20:19,380 --> 00:20:21,480that you slow down again listen,listen,36300:20:21,659 --> 00:20:23,849Dave Jones: whatever, whateverthat thing is where chops out36400:20:23,849 --> 00:20:25,829the silences between them andall that kind of stuff. Yeah,36500:20:25,829 --> 00:20:29,669the silence chopper. Silence JoeYeah. And then.36600:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,820Adam Curry: And then you go backto normal speed. I think that36700:20:33,510 --> 00:20:36,420it's still in you. Theprogramming is still there. You36800:20:36,420 --> 00:20:39,120need you need an exorcism, Ibelieve I believe36900:20:39,540 --> 00:20:40,410Dave Jones: it's a virus37000:20:46,950 --> 00:20:52,200Adam Curry: you're cured, you'rehealed. Thank you for that.37100:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,220Fantastic observation.37200:20:56,610 --> 00:20:58,350Dave Jones: This is a goodobservation because I'm37300:20:58,830 --> 00:21:03,330naturally sort of a stammerbecause I try to get my brain37400:21:03,330 --> 00:21:09,300goes faster than my mouth. So Ihave to get them in sync. And if37500:21:09,300 --> 00:21:14,130I I do this, the way I talk onthe show is exactly the way I37600:21:14,130 --> 00:21:18,330talk to people in all around meall the time. And I realize that37700:21:18,330 --> 00:21:21,960it frustrates them. And so Itried to talk slower, but then37800:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,440if it could, because when I talkfast, my stammering gets way37900:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,770worse. It's not stuttering. It'snot like that Nina is not like38000:21:28,770 --> 00:21:33,480that, is because I start asentence. Realize it realize38100:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,050that that's not the right way tostart it and then go back and38200:21:37,050 --> 00:21:40,770sometimes I'll start a sentencethree times in a row. And it38300:21:40,770 --> 00:21:44,850drives Melissa crazy. So like,the faster I get it becomes just38400:21:44,910 --> 00:21:47,160like it turns into mush.38500:21:47,190 --> 00:21:50,550Adam Curry: Oh, that'sinteresting. Well, actually, I38600:21:50,550 --> 00:21:55,590find the way you talk veryengaging I in fact, I enjoy it.38700:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,860Believe me if I didn't like it,I would be fuck this thing. I'm38800:21:58,860 --> 00:22:04,260not gonna this board meeting fortwo hours. But I enjoy38900:22:04,530 --> 00:22:09,750personally. I like flaws. I likeit when people except the39000:22:09,750 --> 00:22:12,270president, the president, he hasno brains left. I mean, that's39100:22:12,270 --> 00:22:16,530different. What he's what he'sgot going on there. But I like39200:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,540Cridland has also has a stammer.And it's quite endearing. He is39300:22:22,470 --> 00:22:27,810M's and ELLs. And I like it. Ilike that kind of stuff.39400:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,990Dave Jones: I like the humanityof it in Yeah. Oh, yeah. It39500:22:30,990 --> 00:22:31,230makes39600:22:31,230 --> 00:22:34,650Adam Curry: you human. It's theexact opposite of the robo jock.39700:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,560Dave Jones: That's yeah, thatshakes said nothing wrong.39800:22:37,710 --> 00:22:41,550Adam Curry: Right. There'snothing wrong, nothing unique.39900:22:41,550 --> 00:22:45,780Nothing interesting. Nothingthat makes you and certainly the40000:22:45,780 --> 00:22:49,200writing was inhumane. I mean,you know, it's like, this stuff,40100:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,240in my opinion, all that thoselittle nuances will never work.40200:22:54,330 --> 00:22:58,350Unless, you know, people starttricking themselves by listening40300:22:58,350 --> 00:23:03,360to roboticized speech to beginwith, which is what pod speeding40400:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,100is. Your40500:23:05,130 --> 00:23:08,550Dave Jones: I immediately Iimmediately heard the problem40600:23:08,550 --> 00:23:13,800with that. You know, AI bots?Yeah, the DJ no fake DJ vanilla.40700:23:14,430 --> 00:23:23,910Yeah, it's funny how it like,have you seen the AR RT stuff?40800:23:23,910 --> 00:23:28,740And it always messes up thehands? Yes. Like the floors look40900:23:28,740 --> 00:23:32,820like they're look like a bunchof chopsticks by the way yeah,41000:23:32,820 --> 00:23:35,100that's there's something aboutyou sound like41100:23:35,130 --> 00:23:37,200Adam Curry: she sounded likethat. But like chopstick41200:23:37,200 --> 00:23:45,600fingers, yeah, sounds like, thisis the value for value podcast.41300:23:45,750 --> 00:23:48,900For those who need anexplanation. We have a whole41400:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,890website for IT value number fourvalue dot info. But the whole41500:23:52,890 --> 00:23:56,820concept is, we give you value,which is free for anyone to41600:23:56,820 --> 00:24:00,600receive. Because of course, wecan charge what we want and make41700:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,920it set up behind a paywall ormake it to premium content only.41800:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040But only you can determine whatsomething's worth to you. And41900:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,970maybe a lot of money is 50 centsor $5 a month or a week or42000:24:11,970 --> 00:24:15,540whatever. And maybe $500 is whatit's worth to you because of42100:24:15,540 --> 00:24:18,900some incredible tip that we gaveyou or we made you feel good or42200:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,380made you laugh or made you feelhuman, you get to determine that42300:24:22,380 --> 00:24:25,500and send it back to us. And weprefer if you do it in a modern42400:24:25,500 --> 00:24:29,250podcast app, podcast apps.com iswhere you can find a whole bunch42500:24:29,250 --> 00:24:32,550of someone who had an since wehave so many apps and services42600:24:32,550 --> 00:24:38,730now using the podcast index, andthe API associated with it that42700:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,720we should probably put the edgethat actually forward you to42800:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,710podcast index.org/apps We shouldprobably only put apps there now42900:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,330and then and make a new sectionfor all the different hosting43000:24:51,330 --> 00:24:54,390companies and services. Whichprobably Yeah, I agree with43100:24:55,350 --> 00:24:57,330Dave Jones: that because youjust like you go to podcast43200:24:57,330 --> 00:24:59,370apps.com And you see Buzzsprout43300:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,660Adam Curry: Yeah, Is thatsomeone something anyone can do43400:25:03,660 --> 00:25:06,630with? With a, with a pullrequest? That'd be great. That'd43500:25:06,630 --> 00:25:09,690be great. If we can get thoseTPS reports done by tomorrow,43600:25:09,690 --> 00:25:14,790that'd be great. Just ask me,that's real value there. We43700:25:14,790 --> 00:25:17,610would appreciate if someone didthat as value for value that is43800:25:17,610 --> 00:25:20,130valid. valid value.43900:25:20,550 --> 00:25:23,970Dave Jones: The comments, thecross out comments work on the44000:25:23,970 --> 00:25:32,730website continues. Yeah. Andgourmet. Nathan, John, they're44100:25:32,730 --> 00:25:34,890continuing, you know, they'rejust chipping away at this44200:25:34,890 --> 00:25:39,000thing. And I was was going toget the latest pull request out44300:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,700today into production, but Ididn't get a chance to but there44400:25:41,700 --> 00:25:44,550I mean, that they're continuingto do I think they may have44500:25:44,550 --> 00:25:49,950their eyes set on posting, likefeedback like replies.44600:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,510Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, right.From the right from the website.44700:25:54,929 --> 00:25:58,019Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And sothe changelog podcast guys got44800:25:58,019 --> 00:26:02,939in there. And we're pitching into on Oh, cool, awesome stuff.44900:26:02,939 --> 00:26:05,759So yeah, I mean, it's, it'sgoing somewhere. There's this a45000:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,539team effort, the website beingopen source is fantastic. Number45100:26:09,539 --> 00:26:11,699one, because you don't have theamount of45200:26:12,180 --> 00:26:13,950Adam Curry: time to time.45300:26:14,730 --> 00:26:18,240Dave Jones: Yeah, you know, it'sfunny, it's funny, not being a45400:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,630JavaScript guy. I learned allthe horrible things about45500:26:21,630 --> 00:26:24,540JavaScript after the fact. Sothese are all new to me. Yeah.45600:26:24,570 --> 00:26:29,370And and I say, Oh, my God dateis zero indexed on the month and45700:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,330everyone's like, Oh, yeah, youcan tell the funding this years45800:26:33,330 --> 00:26:34,020to life,45900:26:34,140 --> 00:26:37,590Adam Curry: as well. So sinceyou mentioned that, I have, I46000:26:37,590 --> 00:26:42,720have a comment about theintegration of get Alby and46100:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,900websites. So the experience isas follows. And I noticed this,46200:26:49,110 --> 00:26:53,790it really hit me when I used podverse on the web, the web46300:26:53,790 --> 00:27:00,360version. Here's the experience.So you have your your wallet46400:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,800connected, or you're using thelb extension. So let's take46500:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,300podcast index.org as an example.And there's a beautiful box and46600:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,840you type it all in and you hitgo with the number. And then46700:27:12,930 --> 00:27:15,540I'll be if you're not alreadyauthorized, I'll be able to go46800:27:15,540 --> 00:27:19,500through that process. And thenit pops up and it says, pay this46900:27:19,500 --> 00:27:24,450amount to this person, sit,create a budget. You know,47000:27:24,450 --> 00:27:29,250always remember, this was allthese options, because it has to47100:27:29,250 --> 00:27:32,790go through the splits, it doeseach one independently. And if47200:27:32,790 --> 00:27:35,310you don't know what you'redoing, if you don't say you do47300:27:35,310 --> 00:27:39,660this, then it spits back everysingle time. It's like people47400:27:39,660 --> 00:27:42,540you don't know it's veryconfusing. And the whole budget47500:27:42,540 --> 00:27:46,800thing it's like, what we need isan explanation. And the same47600:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,950goes for when you do it with PODverse on the web. So get Albie,47700:27:50,190 --> 00:27:53,370because I got a very nice boosttoday. But it didn't go through47800:27:53,370 --> 00:27:57,240the splits. And I know why.Because it was just a user I'd47900:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,170get Alby and they're using theextension popped it up curry in48000:28:01,170 --> 00:28:04,020the keeper, boom, and thenwhatever else happened that just48100:28:04,020 --> 00:28:09,690dumped out. So we've that has tobe and I understand why from the48200:28:09,690 --> 00:28:12,810get Alby side, I understand, butthat has to be looked at so48300:28:12,810 --> 00:28:16,470maybe Bumi. And the guys can cantake a look at just making it a48400:28:16,470 --> 00:28:18,840little more clear. You know,what is a budget? Why do I need48500:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,600a budget? Do I want a budget?Why do I have to remember this48600:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,260for the rest? You know, just itneeds? We need some explanation48700:28:25,260 --> 00:28:28,440there. Just some words thatexplain to people what's48800:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,100happening.48900:28:30,030 --> 00:28:31,980Dave Jones: Yeah, I've noticedthat too. And I've kind of49000:28:31,980 --> 00:28:33,480forgotten about it. Yeah.49100:28:35,490 --> 00:28:36,360Adam Curry: I have Trillium.49200:28:37,980 --> 00:28:39,300Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that thingyou're you're49300:28:39,660 --> 00:28:43,080Adam Curry: organizing. Yes. Mysecond brain. Exactly. Yeah,49400:28:43,110 --> 00:28:46,050Dave Jones: admit, to bring thatup a few times. Because it runs49500:28:46,050 --> 00:28:48,810you through. It's like, okay,sand, sand, sand. Sand is it49600:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,160runs through every one of those.Yeah,49700:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,910Adam Curry: and we know what'shappening. But mere mortals and49800:28:53,910 --> 00:28:57,210then we're not talking thepodcast, mere mortals will have49900:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,680an issue. So that will besomething that that we could50000:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,160work on.50100:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,660Dave Jones: Let me throw let methrow this at you. Maybe at a50200:29:06,660 --> 00:29:09,240left field here or it may not beI don't know where your where50300:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,150your minds at but what do youthink about the Spreaker thing50400:29:12,150 --> 00:29:14,730going free? Did you see that?Yeah.50500:29:15,450 --> 00:29:19,380Adam Curry: I think it's a bitof a red herring. Because it's50600:29:19,380 --> 00:29:23,340not entirely free. Yes, storagemay be free. But there are still50700:29:23,340 --> 00:29:26,760different tiers. It's kind of athing. It's a little bit of a50800:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,660bait and switch.50900:29:28,169 --> 00:29:30,539Dave Jones: Okay, you may yousound like you know more about51000:29:30,539 --> 00:29:33,329this than me because I tried tofigure out what they meant and I51100:29:33,329 --> 00:29:36,719couldn't make their pressrelease make sense. I went51200:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,420Adam Curry: to the source I wentto the guru Todd Cochran.51300:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,860Cochran told me now this is baitand switch, they've got they've51400:29:43,860 --> 00:29:47,280got they still have differentlevels and you don't get51500:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,050everything. It is definitely anice offering. To me. It's a51600:29:52,050 --> 00:29:56,460Hail Mary. It's like what are wegoing to do now? This is I heart51700:29:56,460 --> 00:29:58,620I believe, right? Do they ownSpreaker?51800:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,920Dave Jones: Yes, and I've gotSo, I would like to dig in on51900:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,530that, after you say this,because I've got some, I've got52000:30:04,530 --> 00:30:05,490some art stuff.52100:30:05,730 --> 00:30:12,150Adam Curry: Oh, good. It seemslike some Todd didn't seem52200:30:12,180 --> 00:30:16,620overly concerned about it. I'mvery concerned in general,52300:30:16,620 --> 00:30:21,750because I just don't believe infree. Because there is no such52400:30:21,750 --> 00:30:25,140thing as free. And you're gonnaget screwed somewhere down the52500:30:25,140 --> 00:30:29,970line. If anything by by gettingthe rug pulled from under you, I52600:30:29,970 --> 00:30:35,460don't like it because I know howmuch goes into running a good52700:30:35,460 --> 00:30:39,570host and the I don't know muchabout Spreaker I believe back in52800:30:39,570 --> 00:30:44,580the early days, Spreaker wascaching the content early, early52900:30:44,580 --> 00:30:47,580days long time, I may be wrong,but that was Stitcher. I'm53000:30:47,580 --> 00:30:53,190sorry, write your stitches, ascrap that I know what goes into53100:30:53,190 --> 00:30:56,460making a hosting company work,especially with customer53200:30:56,460 --> 00:31:02,190service. And I want all of our,all of the hosting companies to53300:31:02,190 --> 00:31:06,180prosper, and I want them to beable to, to, you know, to53400:31:06,180 --> 00:31:08,910provide good customer serviceand good service in general at a53500:31:08,910 --> 00:31:14,040fair price. And something likethis comes along. And you know,53600:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,640it's kind of like anchor so itmay also pollute, you know, just53700:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,190get a lot of pollution outthere, I think is probably to53800:31:20,190 --> 00:31:25,050jack up their numbers. Look howmany podcasts we've got. So I53900:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,360did I just don't hold them inhigh regard for doing this. And54000:31:30,660 --> 00:31:35,190it just doesn't seem like Imean, I feel and then I'd love54100:31:35,190 --> 00:31:38,850to hear what about the I heartstuff, I feel personally that54200:31:38,850 --> 00:31:45,390there should be a way forpodcast host to bring people on54300:31:45,450 --> 00:31:49,710at a quid pro quo of value forvalue. It's like, we're gonna54400:31:49,710 --> 00:31:54,330take 20% Split until a certainamount, or whatever, if you want54500:31:54,330 --> 00:31:57,690to pay, you know, you can payinstead of doing that it's all54600:31:57,690 --> 00:32:00,600enabled right out of the gate.Something like that, I think54700:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,570would be a great offering. And Ithink that people would pick up54800:32:03,570 --> 00:32:06,300on it. And I think that you'dprobably make more than 20 bucks54900:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,210a month that you that you donormally from these podcasts. So55000:32:09,330 --> 00:32:11,100it would be a net win in mymind.55100:32:11,699 --> 00:32:14,249Dave Jones: Well, that's theonly way I can make this make55200:32:14,249 --> 00:32:19,679sense. And this is before I'vefully understood that it wasn't55300:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,779free across the board. Because Iwas thinking at first I was55400:32:21,779 --> 00:32:24,269thinking, Oh, this is a CharlesSchwab type deal. You know what55500:32:24,269 --> 00:32:29,339I mean? Where they? Schwab wasabout three years ago, dropped55600:32:29,339 --> 00:32:31,259their commission fees on trades.Oh, yeah.55700:32:31,260 --> 00:32:33,750Adam Curry: And everyonedropped? Yeah, everybody had to55800:32:33,750 --> 00:32:34,500drop it. Yeah.55900:32:34,980 --> 00:32:37,080Dave Jones: And so I thought itwas free across the board. But56000:32:37,230 --> 00:32:40,320this is a little it changes alittle bit. But I still I still56100:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,050think some of this may apply.Maybe they are looking out and56200:32:46,050 --> 00:32:50,130they know something ever, Ithink, at least on our show me56300:32:50,130 --> 00:32:54,270and you both believe that anchorisn't going to last forever.56400:32:54,270 --> 00:32:57,360It's going to fold at somepoint. It's too much of an56500:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,470albatross around around Spotifyneck. And that's completely56600:33:01,470 --> 00:33:07,890free. Maybe the the ease of useof the of the anchor app and all56700:33:07,890 --> 00:33:10,470that stuff was you know, thething that made it a train56800:33:10,470 --> 00:33:14,490wreck. I mean, maybe they justthink that their ad dai ad56900:33:14,490 --> 00:33:17,910offering is enough to make upthe difference of all this. You57000:33:17,910 --> 00:33:18,180know,57100:33:18,780 --> 00:33:23,010Adam Curry: what, how about thatmaybe? Good point. Maybe they're57200:33:23,010 --> 00:33:26,460thinking, Hey, as long as we getenough people, jump folks with57300:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,580with a with a podcast feed willactually be able to fulfill the57400:33:29,580 --> 00:33:30,300inventory.57500:33:30,959 --> 00:33:32,429Dave Jones: Yeah, that's whatI'm thinking. Yeah,57600:33:32,460 --> 00:33:33,960Adam Curry: that makes sense.That makes sense.57700:33:34,199 --> 00:33:35,789Dave Jones: Okay, well, thatleads me into this. I brought57800:33:35,789 --> 00:33:43,529some clips. Do you have myclips? I do. The lets you know,57900:33:43,529 --> 00:33:49,709there was some talk about Marcosdiscussion on I guess it was58000:33:49,709 --> 00:33:53,489MacBreak. Weekly, which I didnot watch. Yeah, I didn't watch58100:33:53,489 --> 00:33:57,239it initially. And then I andthen I did and it, you know,58200:33:57,239 --> 00:33:59,759it's fine. I had, I reallydidn't have much of a problem58300:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,189with I think there was somemisunderstanding with chapters.58400:34:02,189 --> 00:34:05,219But other than that, I mean,basically, Marco at least he58500:34:05,219 --> 00:34:07,439basically just said, I don'twant people telling me what to58600:34:07,439 --> 00:34:07,799do.58700:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,010Adam Curry: And you know, I hearyou. I don't want people telling58800:34:11,010 --> 00:34:11,880me what to do either.58900:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,720Dave Jones: I don't either. Andso I'm like, Okay, I mean, I59000:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,490really wasn't bothered byanything that he said. But the59100:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,040more interesting part of theirconversation that was about59200:34:23,040 --> 00:34:30,270advertising, and the display,Lea one ad market is life59300:34:30,270 --> 00:34:30,750threatening.59400:34:30,959 --> 00:34:32,759Unknown: We're going through Idon't know about you, Marco and59500:34:32,759 --> 00:34:35,489I don't know, we've heard fromother podcasters. We're going59600:34:35,489 --> 00:34:40,139through an advertising downturnthat is existential, it's life59700:34:40,139 --> 00:34:40,469threatening.59800:34:40,499 --> 00:34:45,239Oh, yeah. It's not that bad forour show. But it's, it's this is59900:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,939the worst ad market we've seenin probably a few years. Yeah.60000:34:48,510 --> 00:34:53,730Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that isonly accentuated by NPR, who say60100:34:53,730 --> 00:34:57,480they have a $30 million deficitand it's pretty much from the60200:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,770podcasting department.60300:34:59,490 --> 00:35:03,750Dave Jones: Yeah, not So I thinkthere's a clearly there's shows60400:35:03,750 --> 00:35:06,630out there that are doing they'redoing just fine. And as the60500:35:06,630 --> 00:35:12,150Independence shows they havekept their in markets that60600:35:12,150 --> 00:35:14,430they're doing. They're doingokay. That mean they're not60700:35:14,430 --> 00:35:15,570doing great but they're doing ifI60800:35:15,570 --> 00:35:18,870Adam Curry: may, and I don'tknow much about it but but what60900:35:18,870 --> 00:35:22,680I know from the past with ADmarkets, if you have a brides61000:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,390magazine, you're always going toget DJs venues dressmakers, and61100:35:27,420 --> 00:35:30,480and you know this this was thePC Magazine, you know, back in61200:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,510the day, you know, you're gonnaget Dell and HP and everyone's61300:35:33,510 --> 00:35:35,370gonna advertise because it'sjust kind of built into their61400:35:35,370 --> 00:35:40,500budget. If you're a generalprogram, a general podcast, and61500:35:40,500 --> 00:35:47,910you're looking for BMW and andand T Mobile, etc. Get that's61600:35:47,910 --> 00:35:53,040where you're gonna get cut. So aspecialist tech podcast or we61700:35:53,070 --> 00:35:56,970like a Bitcoin podcast, I'm surethere may be some some pullback61800:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,700on the on the overall numbers.But that's pretty much what61900:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,890you're, you're still going toget that it may even involve62000:36:01,890 --> 00:36:05,190more host reads I don't thinkthat the dynamic inserted ad62100:36:05,190 --> 00:36:08,130market is probably the is reallybeing affected. But apparently,62200:36:08,910 --> 00:36:15,030even in Leo's network, he saysexistential. I think that's62300:36:15,030 --> 00:36:17,700because he just has too manypeople too many shows. And as we62400:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,760all know, you can't you can'tmonetize the network. If it's62500:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,250just twit itself. I'm surethat's doing fine. I'm sure62600:36:23,250 --> 00:36:26,730security now is doing okay. Buteverything else yeah, it may62700:36:26,730 --> 00:36:28,890just be a pullback, because justtoo much62800:36:29,940 --> 00:36:33,450Unknown: play Lea to it. This isnormal. This is normal behavior.62900:36:33,450 --> 00:36:36,900And when you're at the bottom ofthe down, it might feel like the63000:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,660world's never going to comeback. But it will eventually.63100:36:40,260 --> 00:36:43,620Good tell that to my AD team.Okay. Actually, we have a we63200:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,100have an unusual problem, becausefoolishly we built something63300:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,760that has high overhead. Yeah.And I mean, we have a two and a63400:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,040half million dollar a year. Not.So we don't have the luxury of63500:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,800saying, well, if advertising,Stan will just weather it and go63600:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,410through it. Thank goodness thatwe did do that. And I think63700:37:01,410 --> 00:37:05,190everybody who's in podcasting,for real understands that the63800:37:05,190 --> 00:37:08,130only thing that keeps podcastingand live as the community, the63900:37:08,130 --> 00:37:11,190listeners, the people who youhave a relationship, direct64000:37:11,190 --> 00:37:14,490relationship with, and clubs,Patreon, that kind of thing64100:37:14,490 --> 00:37:18,330really give not only give youthat little extra income, but64200:37:18,330 --> 00:37:21,300they make a big difference inbonding the audience to you. So64300:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,360we two years ago, we createdclub twit, and that was that was64400:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,490a huge part of it. But it'sstill I mean, it's still 1/10 of64500:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,0001% or something, maybe it's Iwould love if I get 5% of the64600:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880audience to subscribe, wewouldn't need advertisers. But64700:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,550right now it's not even 1% Mostpeople will getting something64800:37:38,550 --> 00:37:40,470for free aren't gonna startsuddenly paying for it, I'm64900:37:40,470 --> 00:37:40,830afraid.65000:37:44,099 --> 00:37:46,109Adam Curry: I'm afraid you'rewrong. I'm afraid you're wrong.65100:37:46,349 --> 00:37:49,649Dave Jones: You know, clearlyhe's wrong. But that that is65200:37:50,189 --> 00:37:53,519that speaks to what you'resaying these in specific shows65300:37:53,549 --> 00:37:56,249are going to do okay, can'tmonetize the network. But they65400:37:56,249 --> 00:38:01,409these middle sort of middleweight columns like a I don't65500:38:01,409 --> 00:38:04,589know the term middle weightwhere this kind of like a fat65600:38:05,429 --> 00:38:09,479over hedge, you know, network orshow with those dread ads? Yes,65700:38:09,479 --> 00:38:10,589you're in trouble. Yeah.65800:38:10,860 --> 00:38:15,720Adam Curry: It's also I'm sorry,podcasting. The only reason it65900:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,740works. I have one example. Well,actually, this podcast was a66000:38:19,740 --> 00:38:22,590great example. But it's slightlydifferent because we have a66100:38:22,590 --> 00:38:26,760project attached to it. So we dohave a specific ask for specific66200:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,950thing. But without the podcast,believe me, we wouldn't be66300:38:31,950 --> 00:38:36,690getting anywhere near what we'rewhat we're getting now. But no66400:38:36,690 --> 00:38:41,250agenda is the example. And you'dhave to keep asking, we ask66500:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,010everybody we had a newsletterbefore the night before the66600:38:44,010 --> 00:38:48,420show. We had the newsletter hascontent in it, but we it's66700:38:48,600 --> 00:38:56,490definitely a an ask. Theoverhead is incredibly low. And66800:38:56,490 --> 00:39:00,720that is partially because of thewe've we've followed the whole66900:39:00,720 --> 00:39:06,660model all the way through time,talent, treasure. So voyage zero67000:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,260mark up in the northern part ofthe Netherlands for almost 1367100:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,020years, maybe longer. He's beenrunning our infrastructure,67200:39:13,020 --> 00:39:16,260keeping that overhead incrediblylow. Considering the amount of67300:39:16,260 --> 00:39:20,490bandwidth we push. Every websitewas built by someone else who67400:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,420just jumped in to help. And weacknowledge them and give them67500:39:24,420 --> 00:39:28,080credit for it. And they give himprops. And by the way, they they67600:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,380sometimes put a little donatething on their own work for67700:39:31,380 --> 00:39:35,490that, which we're fine with. Sokeeping that this that show was67800:39:35,490 --> 00:39:39,210run out of the vortex topdrawer, basically, you know, I67900:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,970do all the production stuff. Hehandles all the money stuff.68000:39:41,970 --> 00:39:45,150Now, we we of course we have anaccountant and you know, we do68100:39:45,150 --> 00:39:48,690have to pay a little extra andthey're, you know, someone puts68200:39:48,690 --> 00:39:50,910together the spreadsheet. It'sfrom his family, so we're68300:39:50,910 --> 00:39:53,700getting pretty cheap laborthere. But that's only because68400:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,330it really grew out of just toomuch for us to handle In68500:39:57,330 --> 00:40:00,240addition, but we've kept theoverhead just it's us It's68600:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,130actually and, again, timetalent, treasure. I have three68700:40:05,130 --> 00:40:09,600four people who reliably,reliably send me clips that are68800:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,200perfectly produced and we creditthem for it. In fact, the clip68900:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,070custodian is in the value forvalue split gets a split. He69000:40:17,070 --> 00:40:22,140does, yes. Jeff Smith, who hascreated all of our sound imaging69100:40:22,140 --> 00:40:25,140and whenever we say she, we needjingle for that just miss shows69200:40:25,140 --> 00:40:29,370up. You're not gonna send us abill, the art. Now not all of69300:40:29,370 --> 00:40:31,680the audit, we changed the artfor every single show. Not all69400:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,550the artists have a wallet. I'veencouraged them to get one. The69500:40:35,550 --> 00:40:39,510winning artists whose art ishuge in the show gets a split. I69600:40:39,510 --> 00:40:39,690wish69700:40:39,690 --> 00:40:41,460Dave Jones: people would sendart for our show. Just say.69800:40:43,349 --> 00:40:46,769Adam Curry: Yeah, we'll be fine.The overhead low is incredibly69900:40:46,769 --> 00:40:49,049important. And this is whatSpotify screwed up.70000:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,690Dave Jones: Well, this isaffecting I want to I want to70100:40:51,690 --> 00:40:54,060throw a curveball at you in asecond. But I gotta set it up.70200:40:54,420 --> 00:40:56,340Okay, I gotta set it up. Andthen I'm gonna I'm gonna70300:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,340curveball the spit ball at you.It's gonna be a breaker.70400:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,110Adam Curry: All right. My bad isquarks. I'm ready.70500:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,420Dave Jones: Okay, the. So Ithink this is also affecting,70600:41:09,750 --> 00:41:14,070it's affecting the big guys too.But they've been able to do70700:41:14,070 --> 00:41:16,800something that the middleweightmass, say the big guys, I mean,70800:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,910like our heart and the big thebig players, the big ones. So70900:41:20,940 --> 00:41:25,770they have tactics that the smallguys don't have, or the smaller71000:41:25,770 --> 00:41:31,440guys don't have. So this is ainterview on decoder with Conal71100:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,190Byrne, the CEO of ahart,digital. And so I heard is split71200:41:35,190 --> 00:41:38,850into sort of two components.They're split into their digital71300:41:38,850 --> 00:41:41,520audio group and the multiplatform group. The digital71400:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520audio group has podcasts, themulti platform group has71500:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,640broadcast radio, and in turn,sort of traditional broadcast.71600:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,350So play 101, how you hide thenumbers,71700:41:55,620 --> 00:41:59,550Unknown: we felt at I heart thata lot of the value that we had71800:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,130as a company, we wanted tounlock and make more transparent71900:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,530to the investor community, toaudiences, to researchers to72000:42:10,530 --> 00:42:14,880analysts. One way to do that isto create different operating72100:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,270segments in your company so thatyou can talk more about how well72200:42:18,270 --> 00:42:21,300you're doing inside certaindivisions and businesses, as72300:42:21,300 --> 00:42:25,590opposed to it all getting lumpedtogether into one big overall72400:42:25,590 --> 00:42:26,550set of numbers.72500:42:28,409 --> 00:42:31,229Adam Curry: Right, which Spotifydoesn't do very well actually72600:42:31,349 --> 00:42:31,619read.72700:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,050Dave Jones: They're not verygood. So when I say hide the72800:42:34,050 --> 00:42:35,850numbers, I don't mean that likethey're doing anything72900:42:35,850 --> 00:42:38,550nefarious, because all companiesdo this. It's just normal. No,73000:42:38,550 --> 00:42:38,670they're73100:42:38,670 --> 00:42:41,400Adam Curry: just trying totrying to show the Wall Street.73200:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,640Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, this isthis. This is just normal. But73300:42:44,670 --> 00:42:49,200but the smaller, the smallergroups that can't do this sort73400:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,080of financial trickery. But theso if you look at there's a73500:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,190document in there with the Iheart financials that you may73600:42:59,190 --> 00:43:02,640want to look at, yeah, I got it.I mean, look at this. I'm73700:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,490looking at I'm looking ataccountant here. You're like73800:43:05,490 --> 00:43:09,270Adam Curry: a stock guru. Thisis like DHL plugged all of a73900:43:09,270 --> 00:43:13,980sudden, okay. I'm looking at arevenue stream in a table. My74000:43:13,980 --> 00:43:14,940eyes are swimming.74100:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,820Dave Jones: All right. Yeah. Sothe I'm thinking that the74200:43:20,820 --> 00:43:25,770middleweights? Well, let's justlook at our heart thing. So they74300:43:25,770 --> 00:43:33,900said they say on here that theygrew in their, in their podcast74400:43:33,900 --> 00:43:38,700group, they, it says that theygrew 44.3% for the three months74500:43:38,730 --> 00:43:45,660ended December 22. December2022. Year, in your footnote,74600:43:45,660 --> 00:43:55,200though, correct. In says, itsays this, absent excluding74700:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,240political revenue, ah, it wasonly six and a half percent,74800:44:00,270 --> 00:44:03,570right. It was an election year.It was an election year and 22.74900:44:03,780 --> 00:44:06,570Adam Curry: Yeah. Which isbillions of dollars billions of75000:44:06,570 --> 00:44:07,200dollars.75100:44:07,590 --> 00:44:10,230Dave Jones: The same thing withbroadcast broadcast that it grew75200:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,710point 9% in the third quarterand the fourth quarter, it75300:44:13,710 --> 00:44:16,890actually seemed to excludepolitical ad revenue. It was a75400:44:16,890 --> 00:44:21,090loss of 2.8% Yeah, you go init's the same thing for the hope75500:44:21,090 --> 00:44:25,080for the full year. The full yeargoes from a 22% growth and75600:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,300podcast revenue to only a 5%.The75700:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,330Adam Curry: beauty of politicalads is they don't give a crap75800:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,480they don't care what you're onthe more crazy you are the75900:44:33,480 --> 00:44:33,960better76000:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,100Dave Jones: and they blast itacross everything. They let do76100:44:38,100 --> 00:44:43,200like the most broad spectrum bygood catch. So this to me what76200:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,710what was what was bothering meor a little weird was why 202276300:44:49,710 --> 00:44:52,740was a very hard financialeconomic year. But the76400:44:52,740 --> 00:44:55,620advertising wasn't as down asmuch as you thought it was. A76500:44:55,620 --> 00:44:58,530bit of money came in for thecause of the political76600:44:58,530 --> 00:45:01,680advertising but then at 23 Nowyou're starting to see the pain.76700:45:01,710 --> 00:45:05,280Yeah, like the first quarter of23 has been brutal. And that76800:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,820that's where I think that thismay, this may explain Springer's76900:45:11,820 --> 00:45:15,630move here. Because being beingpart of I Heart, they may be77000:45:15,630 --> 00:45:19,320feeling feeling the hit. Andthey may this may be a push77100:45:19,350 --> 00:45:23,910across the entire companyeventually to go full in dai77200:45:24,570 --> 00:45:29,700dynamic ad insertion. And ifthat happens, those done, the77300:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,200more inventory space you pushonto the market, it's going to77400:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,830push those CPM rates way down.Oh, yeah, you're just gonna have77500:45:37,830 --> 00:45:41,400too much, you're gonna have toomuch ad space to be filled. And77600:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,860that's going to affect that'sgoing to drive everything down77700:45:43,860 --> 00:45:48,360for everybody across the board.I think this the Latin the fact77800:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,350that the last year was apolitical year and going into77900:45:52,350 --> 00:45:55,7102023. This could be bad, though.It's78000:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,109Adam Curry: bad. It's guaranteedto be bad78100:45:58,289 --> 00:46:01,409Dave Jones: on because everybodythinks da everybody thinks oh,78200:46:01,919 --> 00:46:05,399listening to leet Leo,everybody's like, Oh, well78300:46:06,089 --> 00:46:10,289spoke, you know, the baked inads, the host reads, those are78400:46:10,469 --> 00:46:14,759struggling right now. But Dai iswhere that's okay. But I'm78500:46:14,759 --> 00:46:18,389thinking the AI is about to takea hit to78600:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,259Adam Curry: I think it was about$13 billion spent political78700:46:22,259 --> 00:46:26,129advertising and all medium.That's a lot of money. It's a78800:46:26,129 --> 00:46:31,559crapload of money. It Yeah. Andbut yeah, that's why you know,78900:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,429all the numbers, you know,they're down. You know, like,79000:46:35,579 --> 00:46:38,969revenue numbers. What I hear islike, 23% growth in the first79100:46:38,969 --> 00:46:41,369quarter, and then you know, six.79200:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,730Dave Jones: Yeah, I think sothis, the Spreaker thing feels79300:46:47,730 --> 00:46:52,440like if they if they actuallyhave enough people take them up79400:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,150on up on this offer. And it'sall based on Dai. This could end79500:46:57,150 --> 00:47:00,600up being a pretty bad thingacross the across the industry.79600:47:00,630 --> 00:47:03,120Oh, it's gonna suck. This iswhat everybody doesn't79700:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,590understand that dai the more themore people you have the sign up79800:47:07,590 --> 00:47:12,150for Dai, the lower the CPMs. Getfor everybody.79900:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,840Adam Curry: Also. Yeah. And Ithink the CPMs of the inserted80000:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,180ads are quite low. Actually.They're probably in the 8% 10%.80100:47:21,210 --> 00:47:25,470I'm just spouting because Idon't really know. I did enjoy80200:47:25,500 --> 00:47:31,020something Cridland posted on thepodcast index dot social. It was80300:47:31,020 --> 00:47:35,730a screenshot of some, I guesstweet and it was a tweet or80400:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,140remastered on doesn't matter.Podcasts are the new am talk80500:47:40,140 --> 00:47:43,140radio. Have you heard the ads onam talk radio, which like80600:47:43,140 --> 00:47:47,670reading your junk folder. And,and that's true. And you know,80700:47:47,700 --> 00:47:51,150it's ad load really is just, youknow, putting as much in as80800:47:51,150 --> 00:47:53,250possible so they can actuallypay the bills.80900:47:54,510 --> 00:47:57,360Dave Jones: This this ConalByrne guy. Yeah, he actually had81000:47:57,630 --> 00:48:00,690this play a heart too, becausehe adds something that I think81100:48:00,690 --> 00:48:01,650is relevant to this,81200:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,750Unknown: there was a moment onYouTube, where we all sort of81300:48:03,750 --> 00:48:06,720realized the same thing aroundlike, 2010 or so there's like,81400:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,390no, the optimal video is thislength, and you have to open81500:48:09,390 --> 00:48:12,390with this kind of thing, andthen close it with that. And to81600:48:12,390 --> 00:48:15,960some extent, you kill creativityand true innovation when you81700:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,360start to reverse engineer whatan asset should be for the81800:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,600content platform that it's goingto be distributed on. In fact,81900:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,410you almost certainly kill, Ithink, true creativity when you82000:48:25,410 --> 00:48:29,280hit that moment. Podcasting,just as a side questions, not82100:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,100your question, but as a sideanswer to it real quick.82200:48:32,310 --> 00:48:37,350Podcasting has bucked that alot. To date. It has resisted82300:48:37,350 --> 00:48:42,270this notion of a podcast episodeis supposed to be 28 minutes82400:48:42,270 --> 00:48:45,810long and have to add brakes.It's actually a lot of different82500:48:45,810 --> 00:48:50,220kinds of things. It can be atrue crime limited series of82600:48:50,220 --> 00:48:53,220eight to 10 episodes that are 30minutes long. It can also be82700:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,730Stuff to Blow Your Mind episodethat sometimes three hours long82800:48:56,730 --> 00:48:59,760of just two guys talking aboutstuff. And both are completely82900:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,170okay, and really perform well,actually. So it hasn't yet hit83000:49:04,170 --> 00:49:06,570this moment of reverseengineering from the platforms83100:49:06,570 --> 00:49:07,410that it's on.83200:49:08,670 --> 00:49:12,090Adam Curry: Now, where was this?It was just part of that83300:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,100hodgepodge thing. Yeah, it83400:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,750Dave Jones: was Yeah. Because itwas83500:49:15,749 --> 00:49:17,729Adam Curry: really interesting.I read a what I thought was a83600:49:17,729 --> 00:49:25,049very honest rundown from theHollywood Reporter. And it83700:49:25,049 --> 00:49:31,469really explained, you know, thishot pod Summit. I'll read just a83800:49:31,469 --> 00:49:35,129couple pieces here from thisarticle, which to me was like,83900:49:35,159 --> 00:49:36,839you know, the Hollywood Reporteris going to give you the84000:49:36,839 --> 00:49:39,239Hollywood angle, which meansit's all about the money. That's84100:49:39,269 --> 00:49:42,839it's always all about the moneyin various conversation with84200:49:42,839 --> 00:49:45,539studio executives and creators acommon refrain with the84300:49:45,539 --> 00:49:49,019difficulties of turning a profiton podcasting alone, even84400:49:49,019 --> 00:49:52,019Spotify, which recentlyrevisited its podcast leadership84500:49:52,049 --> 00:49:55,379again, and had layoffs and showcancellations in his podcast84600:49:55,379 --> 00:49:58,649division is reevaluating itsspending after pouring more than84700:49:58,649 --> 00:50:01,469$1 billion into licensing dealswith acquisitions in the past84800:50:01,469 --> 00:50:06,719few years. As such, repackagingaudio content and seeking out84900:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,339derivatives like film and TVadaptations could be the key to85000:50:11,339 --> 00:50:15,119actually making good money inpodcasting, especially now that85100:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,809the mega deals of recent yearsare getting rare. And podcasters85200:50:18,959 --> 00:50:21,899are feeling the pressure to seekout more ad dollars from bigger85300:50:21,899 --> 00:50:25,769buyers to keep the lights onlong term. And all of this isn't85400:50:25,769 --> 00:50:28,709even to acknowledge the creativeambitions around podcasting,85500:50:28,709 --> 00:50:32,219where creators want to produceexpensive, Buzzy narrative85600:50:32,219 --> 00:50:35,579projects that can have atangible impact on policy or85700:50:35,579 --> 00:50:38,609public conversation, but mayhave a harder time receiving85800:50:38,609 --> 00:50:41,939funding and support compared tothe more assured success of85900:50:41,939 --> 00:50:47,189cheaper always on chat shows.And this is where a lot of stuff86000:50:47,189 --> 00:50:52,499has gone wrong. You know, the,in fact, I think the short form86100:50:53,189 --> 00:50:58,319or you know, the limited Roneight episode, true crime,86200:50:58,499 --> 00:51:02,249fabulous format, but you justgot to have a couple of really86300:51:02,459 --> 00:51:06,059good people who get together anddo this as almost as a theater86400:51:06,059 --> 00:51:08,819troupe. You know, someone's gotto be able to do the editing,86500:51:08,819 --> 00:51:11,819you've all got to be in it for,you know, for the love of what86600:51:11,819 --> 00:51:14,789you're doing. Because there'sjust not enough money to go86700:51:14,789 --> 00:51:17,669around to be funding theseprojects, which from what the86800:51:17,669 --> 00:51:21,419Hollywood Reporter is saying arebasically pilots is basically a86900:51:21,419 --> 00:51:27,119pile. And I know that DanaBrunetti, who was a you know,87000:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,869big no agenda guy. And he alsogot he got very interested in87100:51:30,869 --> 00:51:33,239podcasting 2.0 with thetranscripts and chapter87200:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,309features. He did 50 Shades ofGrey, and was the producer on87300:51:39,419 --> 00:51:44,729House of Cards, top notch guy,top notch guy. And he he's, I87400:51:44,729 --> 00:51:47,789want to do a podcast network. Isaid, No, you don't. But okay,87500:51:47,999 --> 00:51:50,969so I want to do a podcastnetwork. Basically, it's all87600:51:50,969 --> 00:51:55,949scripts, it's all pilots, it'sall pitches. And of course, it87700:51:55,949 --> 00:51:58,379became a very expensiveproposition because people are87800:51:58,379 --> 00:52:01,559now trying to make audio dramasout of them. And there's really87900:52:01,559 --> 00:52:06,179only room for a few and a fewthat will be will be big hits,88000:52:06,179 --> 00:52:13,619and it just is limited and whocan do that stuff. And all the88100:52:13,619 --> 00:52:16,259other podcasts, it's just likeblogging. When that started, I'm88200:52:16,259 --> 00:52:19,169gonna be a millionaire. I'mgonna be the next Joe Rogan.88300:52:19,169 --> 00:52:21,239It's just it's not that simple.88400:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,180Dave Jones: I'm glad you broughtthat up, because this this is88500:52:24,240 --> 00:52:34,140the perfect time for me to saydai you suck. I mean, like it is88600:52:34,230 --> 00:52:37,560Dai is, and this is the part of88700:52:37,589 --> 00:52:41,639Adam Curry: dynamic add insertinsertions. Yet88800:52:42,749 --> 00:52:48,359Dave Jones: this, it needs. Thisfeels like shouting in the wind.88900:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,779But it needs to stop stopsucking before it ruins89000:52:51,779 --> 00:52:56,879everything. The part of whatMarco was saying on there was89100:52:56,909 --> 00:53:01,739about chapters was that thedynamic ad insertion messes up89200:53:01,739 --> 00:53:07,259the timing on chapters. Rightand the so if you look at the89300:53:07,259 --> 00:53:09,809tray, if you look at thenamespace, you've got89400:53:10,199 --> 00:53:15,299transcripts, chapters andsoundbites, the out of let's see89500:53:16,019 --> 00:53:23,57920 to 20 out of 20 tags in thenamespace. Three of them can be89600:53:23,579 --> 00:53:29,699affected by dynamic by lousydynamic ad insertion. So if, if89700:53:29,699 --> 00:53:33,629we think about dynamic adinsertion for what it it will,89800:53:33,659 --> 00:53:37,589first of all chapters can bedone and transcripts and sound89900:53:37,589 --> 00:53:42,239bites, all three can be done andtake dynamic ad insertion into90000:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,749account. Perfectly fine.Buzzsprout does it right now.90100:53:47,399 --> 00:53:51,839All of their time spent stampsare modified when the ads go in.90200:53:51,839 --> 00:53:51,929Yeah,90300:53:51,929 --> 00:53:53,849Adam Curry: bus bras, the onlyone I think that really pays90400:53:53,849 --> 00:53:54,689attention to that.90500:53:55,650 --> 00:54:00,360Dave Jones: That is it can bedone if you if you care about90600:54:00,360 --> 00:54:06,150it. End to End soup to nuts tomake this thing to make it stay90700:54:06,150 --> 00:54:15,090consistent. Dynamic ad insertioninto your audio that results in90800:54:15,090 --> 00:54:22,950screwing up the timing of yourother metadata points is like90900:54:23,340 --> 00:54:28,200inserting dynamic banner adsinto your website which randomly91000:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,140screw up your CSS and change theway your website layout91100:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,370Adam Curry: tortured,hallelujah.91200:54:33,630 --> 00:54:36,810Dave Jones: This is what we'regoing to run into. We would not91300:54:36,810 --> 00:54:41,250tolerate that on the web. Wewould not tolerate an ad coming91400:54:41,250 --> 00:54:45,750in dynamically and changing theentire look and feel of the91500:54:45,750 --> 00:54:49,890website or the or all the suddenmaking the web making the font91600:54:49,890 --> 00:54:50,370bigger.91700:54:50,460 --> 00:54:53,430Adam Curry: We tolerate so much.I mean, just the other day I was91800:54:53,430 --> 00:54:59,700listening to pod news weeklyreview and it just cuts in the91900:54:59,700 --> 00:55:04,200comments. Session, let's take abreak tu tu tu tu tu. And then92000:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,280it comes back in and I forgotwhat they were talking about. It92100:55:08,280 --> 00:55:08,850was brutal,92200:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,220Dave Jones: brutal. If you let adynamic ad insertion, blow up92300:55:14,220 --> 00:55:18,930your website layout, you'vechosen easy money over and over92400:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,750content quality. In that, thatis the the problem here. The92500:55:24,750 --> 00:55:31,170point of podcasting is audio. Ifyou let a dynamic ad provider,92600:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,670just blow up your audio and andyour feed and make your fan92700:55:35,670 --> 00:55:40,680screw that it is a poorexperience all the way around. I92800:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,600mean, I, in some ways, I don't92900:55:43,079 --> 00:55:44,879Adam Curry: say we should notallow.93000:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,700Dave Jones: I agree Satan, Ithink you're exactly right. We93100:55:50,700 --> 00:55:55,020should not allow this is thatwasn't appropriate voice for93200:55:55,020 --> 00:55:56,010what Dai is93300:55:56,250 --> 00:56:00,990Adam Curry: the evil. Evil is atool of Satan show title.93400:56:01,530 --> 00:56:06,120Dave Jones: It is a tool ofBeelzebub. And that should be93500:56:06,540 --> 00:56:10,320it's a darkness a dark tool.Yeah, and here's what's gonna93600:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,740happen. Everybody's everybody'sdar implementations that went in93700:56:16,740 --> 00:56:23,520with no care about any of thesupporting structure, like the93800:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,990trap chapters, transcripts, allthis because it is going to end93900:56:28,020 --> 00:56:33,630result in things being screwedup from here on out. And then94000:56:33,660 --> 00:56:38,160the DA market is going to tankwhen everybody floods in to try94100:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,370and do dir because host raidsaren't making any money. The94200:56:41,370 --> 00:56:44,250CPMs are going to go down andwe're going to end up with punch94300:56:44,250 --> 00:56:47,550the monkey banner ads. In audio,94400:56:48,900 --> 00:56:51,750Adam Curry: I forgot all aboutpunch the monkey. That's what's94500:56:51,750 --> 00:56:54,360gonna happen once the monkey andwhack a mole. Remember that rock94600:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,630and roll?94700:56:55,860 --> 00:56:57,570Dave Jones: You're gonna havethe equivalent that is what94800:56:57,570 --> 00:57:00,390we're going to be left with thisdisgusting audio as94900:57:00,570 --> 00:57:02,550Adam Curry: well. Honestly, whenit comes to the ad market, we're95000:57:02,550 --> 00:57:06,240still basically counting hips. Imean, yeah, it's all bullshit.95100:57:07,260 --> 00:57:11,280It's not without any it's notreal IAB is is bullshit,95200:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,150bullshit numbers. I mean, I lovethat's why I love op three, op95300:57:15,150 --> 00:57:17,370three, at least it's open,everyone can see what it is. You95400:57:17,370 --> 00:57:20,730can agree you can disagree. Butit's all the same for everybody.95500:57:21,750 --> 00:57:25,230Now, but when you get all thesedifferent ways of counting and95600:57:25,350 --> 00:57:29,430not counting and who cares? Adownload or listen, time spent95700:57:29,430 --> 00:57:32,790list? I got all those steps. Igot all the time spent95800:57:33,180 --> 00:57:37,020completion rate. Yeah, mycompletion rate here at home was95900:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,790100%. Let me know. I mean, I'mjust telling you.96000:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,410Dave Jones: I think you meanit's a whole five96100:57:43,409 --> 00:57:44,159Adam Curry: by five.96200:57:45,300 --> 00:57:46,080Dave Jones: Oh, no cat96300:57:46,079 --> 00:57:51,329Adam Curry: and all counts,baby. Exactly. Yeah, I feel bad96400:57:51,329 --> 00:57:55,529about it. But I understandbecause there was such a hype.96500:57:55,949 --> 00:58:00,059Certainly in the last couple ofyears, so much free money. So96600:58:00,059 --> 00:58:05,609much. D E is going intopodcasting. Cuz that's what the96700:58:05,609 --> 00:58:09,029you know, all that money's driedup. Now. Notice there's no more96800:58:09,029 --> 00:58:13,319Africa podcast day and, andbipoc podcast day, that's all96900:58:13,319 --> 00:58:16,049starting to fade away becausethe money is kind of drying up.97000:58:17,159 --> 00:58:17,579Now.97100:58:19,050 --> 00:58:19,950Dave Jones: Right?97200:58:20,039 --> 00:58:25,829Adam Curry: mean, it just seemsto me that, you know, money in97300:58:25,829 --> 00:58:30,299money out I mean, it, there'sjust less of it. And it was a97400:58:30,299 --> 00:58:32,519lot of people were riding highon the hog. The podcast97500:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,519Industrial Complex was there.And now you know, you get97600:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,459YouTube saying they'll dosomething or soft toss or toss97700:58:38,459 --> 00:58:40,079away stuff. They don't reallycare.97800:58:40,589 --> 00:58:42,659Dave Jones: They really don't dothings like inclusion97900:58:42,659 --> 00:58:45,269initiatives when you have lotsof money. Yeah, but then, you98000:58:45,269 --> 00:58:48,779know, but then when you have,when you're cutting, even the98100:58:48,779 --> 00:58:51,599people you have, that you seehow important those things98200:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,599actually are to people. Becausethey, you know, they're like,98300:58:54,629 --> 00:58:58,169Oh, well, you know, we got tolet you know, we don't care that98400:58:58,169 --> 00:59:01,199much. We get this money thing,you know?98500:59:01,380 --> 00:59:03,660Adam Curry: Yeah, it's like,they're not even they don't even98600:59:03,660 --> 00:59:06,960talk to Cridland. I mean, wewant to do anything in podcast98700:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,520and you gotta at least talk toCridland,98800:59:09,030 --> 00:59:11,850Dave Jones: we care enough andwe care a whole bunch until it98900:59:11,850 --> 00:59:13,590affects the stock price. Andthen we don't care about99000:59:14,730 --> 00:59:17,130Adam Curry: the exact the peoplethat care for the podcasters is99100:59:17,130 --> 00:59:20,640right here in this group. Peoplewho care the ones that podcast99200:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,650index dot social, they actuallycare. Now, I still truly believe99300:59:25,650 --> 00:59:28,950the reason why this project isworking is because everybody has99400:59:28,950 --> 00:59:33,270a shot at at a cut of the moneyflow. Everybody's got a chance99500:59:33,270 --> 00:59:36,690at and everybody can includethemselves. I really believe99600:59:36,690 --> 00:59:40,530that that's a big part of the ofthe of the of the I mean that99700:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,040it's exciting to me every day. Iwake up99800:59:44,999 --> 00:59:47,879Dave Jones: go ahead with valuefor value. All that matters is99900:59:47,879 --> 00:59:51,299the is the quality of thecontent. Yeah, yeah. If you make100000:59:51,299 --> 00:59:56,819a good product, you get value.That's there's no other. There's100100:59:56,819 --> 00:59:58,739no other secret sauce. You don'tyou100200:59:58,740 --> 01:00:01,620Adam Curry: don't have to buyadds in games that you know that100301:00:01,620 --> 01:00:05,100start auto downloading orconvince people to click on100401:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,890stuff now you're absolutelyright. And I get great100501:00:07,890 --> 01:00:10,110statistics. Speaking of which,by the way,100601:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,929Dave Jones: you have statistics.Yeah, I100701:00:12,930 --> 01:00:18,360Adam Curry: got lots of stats,contracts, contracts CLN, sh a x100801:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,710dot app, it is doing somethingvery interesting. I wanted to100901:00:22,710 --> 01:00:27,270pitch this to other people wholisten to this podcast. So they101001:00:27,270 --> 01:00:31,890are statistics company, I guesstheir company was really, it's101101:00:31,890 --> 01:00:37,140really just an app. And that apploads in your browser that it's101201:00:37,140 --> 01:00:41,670without a server, I think,almost server lists. And all101301:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,280your stats are loaded up andthey run in your browser. And I101401:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,880think they're doing with thatwith web assembly, that was not101501:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,570the way what it is web assembly.And so they said, hey, you know,101601:00:51,570 --> 01:00:56,370we want to, we want to be a partof the flow. So can we have101701:00:56,670 --> 01:00:59,940access to the podcaster wallet,which we had done previously for101801:00:59,940 --> 01:01:03,900fountain? And you don't have totell me who else who else. So101901:01:04,140 --> 01:01:07,590you can actually stream Satoshisrather the first ones. So102001:01:07,590 --> 01:01:11,640contracts is now actively outthere. Marketing to podcasters,102101:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,210Hey, come on in, look at all thestats we'll give you give you a102201:01:15,210 --> 01:01:20,130wallet, we sign you up, we makeyou value for value enabled. And102301:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,880and you can manage your splitsright here. And we're a102401:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,880statistics provider. And ofcourse, they I don't know102501:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,090exactly what they take, but youknow, but they've they have, you102601:01:30,090 --> 01:01:32,280know, the wallet can whereverthey are getting Satoshi102701:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,140somewhere in the flow. I want topitch to anybody who wants to do102801:01:37,140 --> 01:01:41,400this, we have what I think iscalled a Partner API. Some102901:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,930special access anything you evenif you just want to be an103001:01:45,930 --> 01:01:50,670onboarding partner, you know,you can you can do a deal with103101:01:50,670 --> 01:01:54,810Alby or possibly with breezecoming up or you know, or103201:01:54,810 --> 01:01:57,810voltage or, and there's so manydifferent people you can do a103301:01:57,810 --> 01:02:01,800deal with a pot with withwallets. Or maybe your wallet103401:02:01,800 --> 01:02:08,160provider I don't know. Or maybeyou just do a an arm's length103501:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,540deal and connect people into getAlby doesn't matter, you can103601:02:12,570 --> 01:02:16,830onboard people into value forvalue and get a piece of the103701:02:16,830 --> 01:02:19,350action for doing that. And Ireally want to encourage people103801:02:19,350 --> 01:02:23,430to think about doing that. It'sa great way to move value for103901:02:23,430 --> 01:02:28,080value forward when we're growingat about 100 new podcasts a day.104001:02:29,219 --> 01:02:31,499Dave Jones: That brings upthat's that actually makes me104101:02:31,499 --> 01:02:33,839want to bring up Daniel J.Lewis, his comment about the104201:02:33,839 --> 01:02:34,529fees?104301:02:35,340 --> 01:02:37,800Adam Curry: Yes, please. Well,104401:02:39,420 --> 01:02:41,370Dave Jones: I think I mean, it'snot it's not too much to get104501:02:41,370 --> 01:02:46,320into. But I think that, here'sthe way that I look at the My104601:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,790reasoning for lightning basedvalue for value is really104701:02:50,790 --> 01:02:56,700simple. It's undie, platformmobile. If that's a word,104801:02:57,869 --> 01:03:00,449Adam Curry: we prefer to saycensorship resistant,104901:03:00,690 --> 01:03:04,170Dave Jones: it's okay. Alsoknown as on D platform,105001:03:05,099 --> 01:03:06,929Adam Curry: let me just writethat down another show title.105101:03:08,340 --> 01:03:12,030Dave Jones: No middlemen, thepayment goes from directly from105201:03:12,030 --> 01:03:17,400the listener directly to you.There's nobody in between. And105301:03:17,400 --> 01:03:23,280the fees are small, very tinynetworks, you run it yourself.105401:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,660But in order 123, those are theway those are the order of105501:03:27,660 --> 01:03:33,360importance that I see those thatcorrect. The higher fees that he105601:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,430is talking about, all come fromadd on services. So if if I105701:03:38,430 --> 01:03:42,630haven't, if I if I run a numberon myself list, I'm just going105801:03:42,630 --> 01:03:47,790to give a scenario. If I run anumbrella in my house, and I also105901:03:47,790 --> 01:03:53,370run a podcast zone, thoselightning value value payments106001:03:53,370 --> 01:03:57,480coming from the listener to me,the fees are virtually non106101:03:57,480 --> 01:04:03,540existent. Correct, they're very,very small, way less than106201:04:03,540 --> 01:04:10,530anything else you can get. Now,if I have a custodial wallet106301:04:10,530 --> 01:04:16,020somewhere, let's just say withblueberry, or Alby or some other106401:04:16,020 --> 01:04:18,450place that okay that they'regoing to take a percentage106501:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,070because you've given you're nowusing their service and also you106601:04:23,070 --> 01:04:26,820add on a cot, you know,contracts for staff. But106701:04:26,820 --> 01:04:29,670there's, you know, you're you'renow using somebody else's sir,106801:04:29,850 --> 01:04:34,170all these serve all these fees,they're coming from additional106901:04:34,170 --> 01:04:37,680services that people areoffering, but those aren't, but107001:04:37,740 --> 01:04:41,550at the low of this, that's thedifference is at the at the most107101:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,030fundamental level, in thelightening value for value107201:04:45,030 --> 01:04:50,970ecosystem. I can run it myselfand avoid all that. Yes. But in107301:04:50,970 --> 01:04:55,620the other system, the Patreonthe the you know, these other107401:04:55,950 --> 01:05:00,120papers, you can't you don't evenhave that option. You were107501:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,380excluded in the Fiat world fromfrom participating in that107601:05:04,380 --> 01:05:05,490whatsoever in107701:05:05,490 --> 01:05:08,670Adam Curry: addition, so that Ithink a good example. And now107801:05:08,700 --> 01:05:12,480apps will charge what apps wantto charge. And I, and it's107901:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,480unfortunate but the fee, label,you know, the network fee, for108001:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,640actually transferring a paymentis not the same as a fee that is108101:05:23,670 --> 01:05:27,060taken by an app or a service,yet, they're both called a fee.108201:05:27,450 --> 01:05:32,340Voila, it is what it is. But ifyou take the plugin, the pod108301:05:32,340 --> 01:05:36,930press plug in, I think it ispower press. So there's a 3%108401:05:36,930 --> 01:05:41,310fee, they tack on for that. Ifyou don't like it, it's a free108501:05:41,310 --> 01:05:46,200market. It's a free market, youcan you can go to some other108601:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,770servers who do it for less.Same, we were saying with108701:05:49,770 --> 01:05:54,180podcast apps, if a podcast appis charging 5%, and your108801:05:54,180 --> 01:05:57,390listeners don't like it, yourlisteners can use a different108901:05:57,390 --> 01:06:02,160app, you can recommend adifferent app. This is this is109001:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,620the open market this is youknow, and it's we're already109101:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,470getting close to having enoughcompetition out there that it109201:06:07,470 --> 01:06:12,990will naturally kind of drive theprices down. It's beautiful that109301:06:12,990 --> 01:06:16,800way. And ultimately, as youpoint out, you can have an109401:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,810umbrella at home on your cablemodem. And wherever, wherever109501:06:21,810 --> 01:06:26,130you want to host host yourfiles. And you can keep that109601:06:26,130 --> 01:06:28,620really within your own realm,which is the beauty of109701:06:28,620 --> 01:06:31,080podcasting. And you'll still belisted right up there with all109801:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,230the big boys and podcasts. Next,it comes out of the same API.109901:06:35,250 --> 01:06:39,210Dave Jones: In the end, there'san M M, I'm not saying that110001:06:39,210 --> 01:06:42,510everybody can run an umbrella.I'm, that's not at all what I'm110101:06:42,510 --> 01:06:48,870saying. I'm saying in this inthis framework in this scenario,110201:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,060you you could if you wanted to,if you wanted to go learn it,110301:06:54,180 --> 01:06:57,780and you or if you have the theability, or if you know somebody110401:06:57,780 --> 01:07:02,430that can help you, you can do ityourself. In the other world you110501:07:02,430 --> 01:07:06,420can't. That's that is to me thatis the fundamental difference of110601:07:06,420 --> 01:07:10,440what's better everything else.Everything else is just sort of110701:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,640like gravy on top of that,110801:07:11,670 --> 01:07:13,800Adam Curry: including the thefact that micro payments110901:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,970themselves are just not feasiblein any other system. In a Fiat111001:07:18,060 --> 01:07:23,160Fiat world is just not possible.Right. Right. We're so smart.111101:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,630Dave Jones: That's the samething. You know, do you see red111201:07:30,630 --> 01:07:35,250circle started popping? No, Ididn't cool. Yes. Yeah. They111301:07:35,250 --> 01:07:38,820started they started and there'sso he might Kayden over at Red111401:07:38,820 --> 01:07:42,510Circle started the pod pain flowa couple of days ago, and he's111501:07:42,570 --> 01:07:46,260easy said he's got about 13,000feets he thinks Wow. Fantastic.111601:07:46,290 --> 01:07:49,290Yes. So that's coming on board.We've got there's somebody111701:07:49,290 --> 01:07:52,830there's another host, a largerhost that is about to start111801:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,590popping in that I cannot revealyet.111901:07:56,039 --> 01:08:00,209Adam Curry: Oh, Todd Cochran,all of a sudden, I just, I112001:08:00,209 --> 01:08:04,889can't. I had a very interestingconversation. I can't talk. You112101:08:04,889 --> 01:08:09,539can't say it yet. Don't worry.It's coming. In the crowning.112201:08:11,609 --> 01:08:14,399Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry.112301:08:15,389 --> 01:08:19,739Dave Jones: I like to just say,give a heads up, even though I'm112401:08:19,829 --> 01:08:22,589being coy. I like to give aheads up because I'd like I like112501:08:22,589 --> 01:08:26,099people to hear that things arehappening. So they, they realize112601:08:26,099 --> 01:08:29,729that they're the things moveslow, you know, things in the in112701:08:29,729 --> 01:08:33,449open source projects. Prior andthen podcasting, especially112801:08:33,449 --> 01:08:36,689things move slow. So I like tolet people know that there is112901:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,059momentum and things arehappening and don't get113001:08:39,059 --> 01:08:42,239discouraged. Even even becausethey're going oh, this113101:08:42,870 --> 01:08:46,050Adam Curry: is so muchhappening. I mean, I have to say113201:08:46,050 --> 01:08:49,980especially blueberry, big props.I listened to their podcast113301:08:49,980 --> 01:08:54,900insider, all about namespace allabout the new features, that113401:08:54,900 --> 01:08:59,340Todd has seen the writing on thewall, them and I really113501:08:59,340 --> 01:09:03,210appreciate that about him. He'sjust gone. I know, everything's113601:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,200flat. So we got to go, you know,everyone's zigging, you ever113701:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,670we're gonna zag. We'll go overand do this. And he's really113801:09:11,670 --> 01:09:16,140pushing and he's educating. Andhe's, he's doing it himself. Now113901:09:16,140 --> 01:09:18,900he's, he's eating the dog food,which is important. It's really114001:09:18,900 --> 01:09:24,960important. And, you know, thisis the difference between making114101:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,480bold, especially value for valuework, is by following you know,114201:09:30,480 --> 01:09:35,460the general guidelines, thegeneral format of explaining114301:09:35,490 --> 01:09:38,520value, you want value back,there's a feedback loop, you got114401:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,840to thank people. You know, yougot to do it consistently. And114501:09:42,870 --> 01:09:46,560for my money, you should also bementioning the amount of114601:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,400Satoshis that you're receiving.Because it first of all, is very114701:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,450transparent. People love that.It's also very aspirational. And114801:09:54,450 --> 01:09:58,110we've seen that ourselves. Like,just with that live thing we did114901:09:58,410 --> 01:10:02,430with the dance party. If Ididn't tell people to request I115001:10:02,430 --> 01:10:05,820didn't tell people to boost 5000SATs more for each song. I115101:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,130didn't come up with that. But Iaccepted it.115201:10:09,690 --> 01:10:12,030Dave Jones: As you're breaking,you're breaking the rules based115301:10:12,030 --> 01:10:13,110podcasting order.115401:10:14,250 --> 01:10:16,980Adam Curry: This internationalinternational rules of115501:10:16,980 --> 01:10:18,510podcasting rules based order.115601:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,630Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. Inthe in the internet in the115701:10:21,630 --> 01:10:23,970international rules basedpodcasting order. We're like115801:10:23,970 --> 01:10:24,780North Korea.115901:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,550Adam Curry: Yeah, we're lobbingmissiles everywhere. There does116001:10:30,420 --> 01:10:35,130Dave Jones: that. Fancy Japanmostly. They were in the air at116101:10:35,130 --> 01:10:35,550one point.116201:10:37,290 --> 01:10:40,290Adam Curry: I just want to do acouple of quick boosts that116301:10:40,290 --> 01:10:44,490we've been receiving since sincestarting Dred Scott who of116401:10:44,490 --> 01:10:49,920course we love 33,333 He wants abirthday shout out. Well, of116501:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,930course. Happy birthday. Happybirthday drab. I think was his116601:10:54,930 --> 01:10:57,150panties that were left on theturntable yesterday. I'm116701:10:57,150 --> 01:10:59,280Dave Jones: not quite sure. Hey,now Hey,116801:11:00,150 --> 01:11:04,170Adam Curry: thank you to phoneboy. Cuz I I did interrupt his116901:11:04,170 --> 01:11:08,130show, or we interrupted his showon the stream. 6969 sent that117001:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,800twice. Actually. He said neverthought I'd be a lead in for the117101:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,500pod father on a Saturday,Phoenix and I appreciate all117201:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,040you're doing to advancepodcasting. Come experience the117301:11:17,040 --> 01:11:22,050Lotus effect for yourself atoops, at Lotus effect dot show.117401:11:22,590 --> 01:11:25,440And thank you very much forletting us letting us break in117501:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,640like that. We just shot in heresir Spencer 16969 Thanks again.117601:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,070Dave. For the wonderful timeSunday. I'm bowls with buds.117701:11:35,070 --> 01:11:38,520Thanks, Adam for the club 30throwback in the rowdy boardroom117801:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,350dance party. Yes, anyone can runan unbroken, not everyone is117901:11:43,350 --> 01:11:48,390willing but for minimal effort.Everyone is capable. I think118001:11:48,390 --> 01:11:53,400that's actually kind of true.They do minimum, a man's just as118101:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,910much to learn how to set up apodcast is to set that up.118201:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,750Dave Jones: People set up astereo system. That's not easy,118301:12:00,750 --> 01:12:01,230either. I remember118401:12:01,230 --> 01:12:03,960Adam Curry: those days. You gotto strip the wires for the118501:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,220speaker connectors.118601:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,650Dave Jones: Yeah. And your momwould always call you and ask118701:12:07,650 --> 01:12:09,030you wouldn't How do you turn iton? You118801:12:09,030 --> 01:12:12,300Adam Curry: turn it off? Are youconnected properly? Watch cable.118901:12:17,070 --> 01:12:19,890Okay, let's see. Well, we'll domore, we'll do more boost in a119001:12:19,890 --> 01:12:20,340second.119101:12:24,930 --> 01:12:30,180Dave Jones: Added enclosure. Sodad was working with Dan119201:12:30,180 --> 01:12:35,820Benjamin on a on a project ofhis and he needed he needed a119301:12:35,820 --> 01:12:36,600way to119401:12:36,630 --> 01:12:37,650Adam Curry: are you an advisor?119501:12:39,810 --> 01:12:46,440Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. I'm an8am, an unpaid adviser. The the119601:12:46,440 --> 01:12:52,080API, he needed a way to call theAPI and say, Okay, I've got an119701:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,960iTunes ID and an enclosure URL.I don't know any other way to119801:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,680reach outside. He's like I got Iwant. I know the enclosure URL119901:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,550of the episode I need to get.And I know the iTunes ID of the120001:13:05,550 --> 01:13:10,320feed. So I given those twothings. I want to be able to120101:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,190give them to the index to theAPI and have in Have you120201:13:14,190 --> 01:13:19,050returned the show the episode.So we did that. So that's120301:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,530interesting. That's in therenow. So if you have if you hit a120401:13:22,530 --> 01:13:27,690scenario where you're like, Idon't know the episode GUID, or120501:13:27,690 --> 01:13:31,230any other the title or reallyanything else about the episode,120601:13:31,440 --> 01:13:36,930all I know is the enclosure URL.You can now submit you can now120701:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,410add that on as an extraparameter to the episodes by120801:13:40,410 --> 01:13:43,950iTunes ID your episodes by feedID endpoints. And it will give120901:13:43,950 --> 01:13:47,100you back the correct episodeinformation.121001:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,210Adam Curry: Okay. Yes, thatsounds like a cool endpoint.121101:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,490Dave Jones: That's pretty neat.We hang in121201:13:53,490 --> 01:13:55,470Adam Curry: that all night. Oh,episode.121301:13:58,050 --> 01:14:01,740Dave Jones: We were movingforward then. The API.121401:14:02,310 --> 01:14:05,040Adam Curry: Good. pretty rich,getting pretty rich there, Dave?121501:14:05,460 --> 01:14:07,140Dave Jones: stuff with it? Yeah,you can do a lot of stuff with121601:14:07,140 --> 01:14:09,480it. I don't think I even talkedabout on the show that you can121701:14:09,480 --> 01:14:18,000now get live items back from theepisodes endpoint. So if you121801:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,400call the episodes by feed IDendpoint to give it a feed ID or121901:14:23,400 --> 01:14:29,160a feed URL. It will hand youback the episodes and the live122001:14:29,160 --> 01:14:34,290items. If if the show is live,has live out of scheduled or122101:14:34,290 --> 01:14:39,930live currently, you will getthose back to there's there's a122201:14:39,930 --> 01:14:42,930lot of stuff that I only postabout, like when we change the122301:14:42,930 --> 01:14:45,390API. I'm only posting about iton podcast index dot social, and122401:14:45,390 --> 01:14:46,890I forget to talk about it on theshow.122501:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,480Adam Curry: No, this was good.There was something else I saw122601:14:52,170 --> 01:14:59,880on the GitHub. An author tag youwere talking about. I think just122701:14:59,880 --> 01:15:00,510some So you're122801:15:00,510 --> 01:15:02,550Dave Jones: ready to talk aboutpublisher?122901:15:03,150 --> 01:15:05,280Adam Curry: Publisher? Yeah.Publisher author. Yes.123001:15:05,910 --> 01:15:10,830Dave Jones: So there's aproposal for a tag. This is123101:15:10,830 --> 01:15:12,720namespace talk. You want to dropthat? Oh,123201:15:13,260 --> 01:15:15,180Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Wehaven't done that in quite a123301:15:15,180 --> 01:15:22,500while. And now it's time forsome hot namespace talk. Yeah,123401:15:22,500 --> 01:15:26,550so I heard the dance party lastnight. Yeah. Jennifer came right123501:15:26,550 --> 01:15:30,360in, man. She's like, she'spartying down.123601:15:30,870 --> 01:15:33,750Dave Jones: It is 730. OnSaturday. Nice. I mean, that's123701:15:33,750 --> 01:15:34,200appropriate.123801:15:35,130 --> 01:15:36,360Adam Curry: It's okay. For now.Yeah.123901:15:38,730 --> 01:15:42,570Dave Jones: So that there was aproposal for a publisher, a way124001:15:42,570 --> 01:15:47,730to track publishers of showsinstead of just simply the, the,124101:15:47,730 --> 01:15:53,730the host of the show. So if youhave, like a way to for you to124201:15:53,730 --> 01:16:00,600go in and say, Okay, I want tosee all of the podcasts by I124301:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,830don't know what at wondery orluminary, or NPR just made NPR,124401:16:04,830 --> 01:16:10,590NPR is NPR. Some of them aretagged correctly, or tagged in a124501:16:10,590 --> 01:16:13,980way that you can do that some ofthem aren't. If there was a tag124601:16:13,980 --> 01:16:20,520there that was specifically forthat. In the so he gives the124701:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,420reference of the iTunes authortag, which is supposed to kind124801:16:24,420 --> 01:16:29,220of be that way. But it's, it's alittle too freeform. And so the124901:16:29,220 --> 01:16:33,180freeform of the of it. Again,not a word, but the free form 80125001:16:33,180 --> 01:16:40,560of it is a little problematic,because you can't it gets messy.125101:16:41,250 --> 01:16:45,540Is it? You know, if you have to,if you have two publishers,125201:16:45,540 --> 01:16:48,270let's just say it's a jointeffort between the New York125301:16:48,270 --> 01:16:52,410Times and cereal Yeah. Are youjust gonna have freeform text in125401:16:52,410 --> 01:16:55,320their New York Times and cereal?And then another one may say125501:16:55,320 --> 01:16:56,910cereal a New York Times? No,that's125601:16:56,910 --> 01:16:59,340Adam Curry: not that's notthat's not structured data125701:16:59,580 --> 01:17:05,760Dave Jones: is not structureddata. So he proposed a way to do125801:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,910it by, you know, will in a morestructured way where you have125901:17:08,910 --> 01:17:11,850multiple entries there whereit's for each publisher,126001:17:12,360 --> 01:17:17,310enclosed in sort of a parenttag. And then you can ease more126101:17:17,310 --> 01:17:20,850easily aggregate that and thengo back after the fact and say,126201:17:20,850 --> 01:17:23,880show me all the podcasts by theNew York Times and you get them126301:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,810all. Together. think there needsmore comments on that though?126401:17:27,930 --> 01:17:31,380Adam Curry: Okay. I have a linkto it in the in the show notes.126501:17:31,890 --> 01:17:35,700Dave Jones: Because I'm a littleI think it's not. It needs that126601:17:35,700 --> 01:17:38,610it. I see what he's doing. And Ilike it, but it does need some126701:17:38,610 --> 01:17:41,130work. And I think there justneeds to be more voices in there126801:17:41,130 --> 01:17:49,860commenting on it would be good.Also in the namespace. On that126901:17:49,860 --> 01:17:53,280side of things, let's see whatactually didn't me. I didn't127001:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,860have another namespace you getanything else I get find this?127101:17:55,860 --> 01:17:59,640Adam Curry: Yes. I wanted togive another plug for the127201:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,170transcript search tool, whichSteven B put together. He needs127301:18:04,170 --> 01:18:08,010a domain name right now. It'stranscript das search dot versal127401:18:08,010 --> 01:18:13,170dot app. Not a great name. No,but it's it's how we started127501:18:13,170 --> 01:18:16,650everything off. And he uses thatkind of as his building place.127601:18:17,130 --> 01:18:21,750This thing is outstanding. AndI'm not sure how to integrate it127701:18:21,750 --> 01:18:26,850into public life. I use it allthe time. I mean, you literally127801:18:26,850 --> 01:18:33,300type in A C podcasting. 2.0 andyou can search the directory,127901:18:33,330 --> 01:18:37,260that was my request. Okay, thereit is podcasting. 2.0. And then128001:18:37,260 --> 01:18:40,590you can say Alright, now I'mgoing to do a search term. So128101:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,680let's give me a search term.That's crazy. Dave, what's128201:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,420something that we could use inour128301:18:45,450 --> 01:18:45,900Dave Jones: show?128401:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,720Adam Curry: Yeah, in our show,yeah. Something that's gonna128501:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,220show up once or twice.128601:18:50,790 --> 01:18:56,130Dave Jones: Just only once ortwice. Oh my gosh. Okay, cake.128701:18:56,310 --> 01:19:00,120See, aka Jenkins128801:19:00,150 --> 01:19:05,340Adam Curry: Well turns outepisode 118 one occurrence, and128901:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,570I can click on the timecode andthen I can hit play these things129001:19:09,570 --> 01:19:13,050that was just icing on the cakefor a corporation to score129101:19:13,050 --> 01:19:18,630brownie points. Oh, come on.That's pretty rad. Episode 100129201:19:18,660 --> 01:19:22,470streamers and dreamers 158 17129301:19:22,500 --> 01:19:24,720Unknown: craft services tableeating cake and drinking129401:19:24,720 --> 01:19:25,320Prosecco.129501:19:25,380 --> 01:19:30,210Adam Curry: Even got it fromfrom a clip. This is good.129601:19:30,750 --> 01:19:34,080Dave Jones: That is red. is rad.Correct? Yeah,129701:19:34,110 --> 01:19:37,890Adam Curry: let's see if RAD isin there. Let's see rad. Rad.129801:19:38,910 --> 01:19:42,780Seems like there's a lot inthere. Also picks up rod Do you129901:19:42,780 --> 01:19:49,380know the traditional way maybeif I do it in quotes, I wonder130001:19:49,380 --> 01:19:53,190how well that search is. Let mesee. Yeah, nothing when I do it130101:19:53,190 --> 01:19:57,540and in quotes nothing. How aboutradio and now it doesn't,130201:19:57,990 --> 01:20:02,160doesn't do the Booleanunfortunate Ellie just says it's130301:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,310beautiful something somethingneeds to be done with this tool130401:20:05,460 --> 01:20:10,620other than just, I use it. I useit all the time, particularly130501:20:10,620 --> 01:20:15,870when divorce acts as a dad. NowI can just go Yeah, you did. And130601:20:15,870 --> 01:20:18,000I boom, click click, you saw afast I did that.130701:20:20,070 --> 01:20:22,170Dave Jones: That's really very130801:20:22,170 --> 01:20:25,140Adam Curry: impressive is very,very impressive. And firstly, it130901:20:25,140 --> 01:20:28,740needs a domain names to even befirst of all these domain name.131001:20:29,190 --> 01:20:33,510It's just it's it's fantastic.It's a great tool.131101:20:35,250 --> 01:20:38,520Dave Jones: I found Okay, so Ifound this the so we have we131201:20:38,520 --> 01:20:44,820have phase six here. And we'vegot a few tags, I think we need131301:20:44,820 --> 01:20:49,830to start to coalesce around whatwhat we think is going to get to131401:20:49,860 --> 01:20:51,540has a chance to make it inthere.131501:20:51,570 --> 01:20:52,800Adam Curry: Okay, what was the131601:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,290Dave Jones: list? There is?Value see the secret message.131701:20:58,530 --> 01:21:05,640There's the state tag, which I'msure Daniel has a comment about131801:21:05,640 --> 01:21:12,300the name of that. The state tagis just some way to identify131901:21:13,710 --> 01:21:17,280where weather this some thingsabout this feed that don't132001:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,510really fit into othercategories. So things like is it132101:21:21,510 --> 01:21:26,820free? Is it premium? That kindof that kind of thing? As it is132201:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,470a paid for feed? Let's see whatthe let's see what I've got in132301:21:31,470 --> 01:21:36,870there already. Yeah, so is it?Is it true? Is this under a132401:21:36,870 --> 01:21:42,630trial? Is the podcast on hiatus?Is it a subscription only? Is132501:21:42,630 --> 01:21:47,610it? Is it an under a trialperiod by the published by the132601:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,510hosting platform, sort of somestuff about the feed that you132701:21:51,510 --> 01:21:58,230might want to know. But it's youcould group them together. And132801:21:58,230 --> 01:22:00,990this may not be a great way todo it. I'm just I just threw132901:22:00,990 --> 01:22:07,050this out there for comment, thenyou have John Spurlock's events.133001:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,650Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. Yes.Well, that really needs some133101:22:10,650 --> 01:22:11,910work the events tag.133201:22:13,980 --> 01:22:16,590Dave Jones: It's got a lot ofcommentary on it right here.133301:22:16,620 --> 01:22:21,840Okay. And, and I feel like weneed to start trying to decide133401:22:21,840 --> 01:22:26,640whether or not that can actuallyget get refined to in a way that133501:22:26,640 --> 01:22:33,570everybody's happy with to getinto Phase six. The C D has133601:22:33,570 --> 01:22:38,340guests, James grillin. proposeda tag. There's just a simple133701:22:38,340 --> 01:22:43,440Boolean tag. Patek podcast colon has guests, yes or no,133801:22:43,470 --> 01:22:50,670right. And it's just, it's justwhat it says on the box. A lot133901:22:50,670 --> 01:22:52,080of people seem to like thisidea.134001:22:52,110 --> 01:22:54,120Adam Curry: Yeah, sounds good.That sounds good to me.134101:22:54,660 --> 01:22:57,810Dave Jones: My first thoughtwhen I saw it was math. And then134201:22:58,650 --> 01:23:01,290like, and then I thought aboutit. And I'm like, you know, that134301:23:01,290 --> 01:23:03,540actually is pretty good idea.There's really not another way134401:23:03,540 --> 01:23:09,780to get that. And a lot of thesetags are about it seems like in134501:23:09,780 --> 01:23:14,130phase six, there's a lot ofstuff around just giving134601:23:14,130 --> 01:23:18,990information that is not, maybeit's not necessary, it's not134701:23:18,990 --> 01:23:25,140critical to the show. But it'shelpful to have Dara say,134801:23:25,380 --> 01:23:31,860discovery. Like, I can see thisfeeding. So these fall under a134901:23:31,860 --> 01:23:40,080category to me of, of bits ofinformation that you as the135001:23:40,080 --> 01:23:45,930podcaster may want to let otherlet the world know. It's it's135101:23:45,930 --> 01:23:50,160not. It's sort of like, like,like the person tag, or the135201:23:50,160 --> 01:23:56,880location tag, it's it's just, Ican put this into my show, I can135301:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,390mark this in my show at myhosting company that gives a135401:24:00,390 --> 01:24:07,410signal to the world about whatthey can expect to find in my135501:24:07,410 --> 01:24:12,630show. I found those sorts ofthings to be valuable, because,135601:24:13,410 --> 01:24:16,560you know, some people justdon't, they don't like interview135701:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,860shows. They're just not thatlike, it's I'm never gonna135801:24:19,860 --> 01:24:23,130listen to an interview show. Idon't really listen to hardly135901:24:23,130 --> 01:24:26,790any interview shows. I guessit's just not my thing. And so136001:24:26,820 --> 01:24:30,300if it's a show that has guests,I'm probably not gonna listen to136101:24:30,300 --> 01:24:38,550it. And I can see that beingjust more you know, ways to let136201:24:38,550 --> 01:24:43,320the universe know about what arethe sort of the framework of136301:24:43,320 --> 01:24:52,260what your show is? Again, notnot critical, but helpful. Um,136401:24:52,260 --> 01:24:52,410hold136501:24:52,410 --> 01:24:56,010Adam Curry: on one second. Letme let me tell you, like, let me136601:24:56,010 --> 01:24:56,610test this.136701:24:57,690 --> 01:24:59,580Dave Jones: My first thoughtwhen I saw it was math136801:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,600Adam Curry: They go long livethe ISO bought136901:25:04,169 --> 01:25:06,989Dave Jones: the ISO but thoughtI said, Man, they thought that137001:25:06,989 --> 01:25:10,469was the most the right way tosay, man.137101:25:10,949 --> 01:25:12,899Adam Curry: Doesn't matter. I'mstill loving it.137201:25:15,780 --> 01:25:19,440Dave Jones: And the remote itemtag, I really think out of the137301:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,470whole batch, the remote item tagis the one I want to get in137401:25:22,470 --> 01:25:23,100there the most.137501:25:23,130 --> 01:25:24,840Adam Curry: I'm with you onthat. I like that idea.137601:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,290Dave Jones: I think if nothingelse, we need to get the remote137701:25:28,290 --> 01:25:34,020item tag in there. Events. Tome, it goes in this order remote137801:25:34,020 --> 01:25:43,080item events. And then there'slist mediums. And I think those137901:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,150list mediums need to go in thereas well.138001:25:45,660 --> 01:25:48,600Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that's agood one. Because we need we138101:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,510need. We need a lot. We needsomething for that. I'm looking138201:25:51,510 --> 01:25:56,070at the music side project.com.And the search is just not138301:25:56,070 --> 01:26:01,200music. The search populates witheverything. It doesn't. Yeah,138401:26:01,890 --> 01:26:06,480that's inherently not right. AndI think that, I don't know,138501:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,550maybe if you just search for anyterm in them, that you think138601:26:11,550 --> 01:26:13,560would be music, I get podcast.138701:26:14,610 --> 01:26:18,870Dave Jones: Oh, what if yousearch for podcasting today? No,138801:26:18,870 --> 01:26:24,120yeah, you get a podcast. That'snot That's not the way I think138901:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,220it should be. No, he intendedthat.139001:26:26,340 --> 01:26:28,770Adam Curry: Is there a way toonly search for music?139101:26:29,850 --> 01:26:32,040Dave Jones: That I thoughtthat's what it would do? Yeah.139201:26:32,040 --> 01:26:32,190But139301:26:32,190 --> 01:26:34,470Adam Curry: how do we have anAPI endpoint?139401:26:38,070 --> 01:26:38,970Unknown: I thought we did.139501:26:41,130 --> 01:26:44,460Adam Curry: Maybe not. Yikes.Maybe we do. Here's another139601:26:44,460 --> 01:26:47,040question. Is wavelike Tada. We139701:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,090Dave Jones: do we do, don't we?139801:26:48,300 --> 01:26:50,220Adam Curry: I don't know. I'mnot in charge of that.139901:26:50,580 --> 01:26:56,490Dave Jones: Wave. Wave like isnot pod pinging? They're not no140001:26:57,690 --> 01:26:59,910Adam Curry: but they but theyare adding stuff to the to the140101:26:59,910 --> 01:27:00,540index.140201:27:01,530 --> 01:27:04,560Dave Jones: Hmm Yeah, well,we're Yeah, we're picking it up.140301:27:04,800 --> 01:27:13,320Okay. They submit Yeah. Thattheir Gosh, net now you know140401:27:13,320 --> 01:27:18,150what now I feel caught off guardbecause they may be pod paying140501:27:18,150 --> 01:27:20,910me who runs this140601:27:20,910 --> 01:27:23,340Adam Curry: a I don't know whoruns anything who runs the show140701:27:23,340 --> 01:27:23,700here?140801:27:25,410 --> 01:27:31,590Dave Jones: Podcast? No idea.Wow. I have no idea what140901:27:31,590 --> 01:27:39,870anything. That's good. This isgood. Good question. I'm141001:27:39,870 --> 01:27:44,580literally ever saw Michael everwave like a potty.141101:27:45,450 --> 01:27:47,280Adam Curry: That's so funny.That's so funny.141201:27:48,630 --> 01:27:52,740Dave Jones: I see. No. I see nopod paying that I've ever sent141301:27:52,740 --> 01:27:55,530to Mike. I think he's justsubmitting. All right.141401:27:56,190 --> 01:27:57,750Adam Curry: Because I'm superpumped. And we're going to have141501:27:57,750 --> 01:27:59,160these guys on pretty soon,right?141601:28:00,060 --> 01:28:04,290Dave Jones: Yeah, the after weafter we screwed them. After I141701:28:04,290 --> 01:28:04,980screwed them over. We're141801:28:04,980 --> 01:28:06,840Adam Curry: gonna have oneventually. Right. We'll fix141901:28:06,840 --> 01:28:07,410that. Yeah.142001:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,650Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah, I amkind of glad that they did. I142101:28:10,650 --> 01:28:12,180screwed that up. And they didn'tshow up.142201:28:12,480 --> 01:28:13,980Adam Curry: And that would havebeen even worse. Yeah. Would142301:28:13,980 --> 01:28:16,080have been worse. We had sorry,by the way we142401:28:18,270 --> 01:28:18,990Dave Jones: understand Adam,142501:28:19,020 --> 01:28:22,260Adam Curry: so I was just Yeah,right. Well, I switched to a142601:28:22,260 --> 01:28:25,740different a different internetconnection. That worked. Okay.142701:28:26,850 --> 01:28:29,940But the amount of people whosaid hey, I'm available, I can142801:28:29,940 --> 01:28:33,060do it like Sam Sethi like hey, Ican do I can jump on right now.142901:28:33,060 --> 01:28:35,520I couldn't do anything that Davecan do. I'm like, no.143001:28:37,110 --> 01:28:42,240Dave Jones: Let's see how it is.Sam you can be okay. Exactly.143101:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,200You know, my back.143201:28:43,770 --> 01:28:46,530Adam Curry: And I'm like, No,this is not gonna happen. That's143301:28:46,530 --> 01:28:48,840not ever gonna happen. This isthe show.143401:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,900Dave Jones: Hey, James Sam'sever ever out of town? Give me a143501:28:51,900 --> 01:28:52,320call143601:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,110Adam Curry: Yeah, that's whatyour for your friends as well.143701:28:58,110 --> 01:29:00,210The duty you read in143801:29:00,210 --> 01:29:01,230Dave Jones: the back. So that'sright.143901:29:04,530 --> 01:29:06,930Adam Curry: You got thanks forpeople I do have. I do have144001:29:06,930 --> 01:29:11,310another small item that I'm notquite sure. I just want to bring144101:29:11,310 --> 01:29:14,700it up. Because, you know, I'vebeen looking at noster I've been144201:29:14,700 --> 01:29:19,860on noster I have a you know, mykey is there whatever. I go on144301:29:19,860 --> 01:29:23,850from time to time. And I'msensing hostility. I don't like144401:29:23,850 --> 01:29:26,940it. And I'll tell you what itis. It goes like this.144501:29:27,870 --> 01:29:30,600Podcasting to point out valuefor value stocks, everything144601:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,610should be zaps and wishes okay,because you know, like whatever144701:29:35,610 --> 01:29:37,770people can say whatever theywant, because now this144801:29:37,770 --> 01:29:40,800Dave Jones: thing they you justsaid is this a tone that you're144901:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,350picking up? Or is this somethingthat was actually said?145001:29:43,380 --> 01:29:45,450Adam Curry: No, it was said itwas said that way? There was145101:29:45,480 --> 01:29:47,850there was a thread? Yeah, Imean, of course I am145201:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,000interpreting the actual tone ofvoice, which is what I145301:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,830translated to appropriately.Yes, yes. And of course, Oscar145401:29:55,830 --> 01:30:00,480over the fountain immediatelymakes zapping available I'm on145501:30:00,480 --> 01:30:06,240fountain, to the fountainwallet. And I'm, I'm just not145601:30:06,240 --> 01:30:11,100feeling good about this. I'm notsure what it is, other than it145701:30:11,100 --> 01:30:17,130feels like Ellen, Ellen URLmafia all over again. You know,145801:30:17,550 --> 01:30:21,540like Henry, there was even athread like, you know, noster145901:30:21,540 --> 01:30:25,230should replace RSS feeds orwhatever. There's all kinds of146001:30:25,230 --> 01:30:29,610stuff and and I'm just like, I'mnot worried about any of that.146101:30:29,970 --> 01:30:38,910But I want to be able to harnessthe the excitement over zaps. If146201:30:38,910 --> 01:30:44,160there's a valid place for thatin, in podcasting value for146301:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,600value streaming stuff, I justdon't see it. And it's kind of146401:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,440bugged me.146501:30:50,250 --> 01:30:54,450Dave Jones: I mean, it's beenirritating me too. And it's so146601:30:54,450 --> 01:31:00,030this, I saw the RSS thing.There's this cult, this,146701:31:00,540 --> 01:31:03,840Adam Curry: who used to use theC word C word you may use cult?146801:31:04,740 --> 01:31:05,010No.146901:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,210Dave Jones: Maybe Maybe Istarted to say culture. Oh,147001:31:09,690 --> 01:31:13,290cool. Maybe called is a rootword of culture is called. It is147101:31:13,290 --> 01:31:17,460a twofer. I get them both. Yes.Right. So there's this, there's147201:31:17,460 --> 01:31:19,950this sort of like, I feel likethere's a I've been spending147301:31:19,950 --> 01:31:23,850time on nostra to, to, I need tounderstand this thing and what147401:31:23,850 --> 01:31:26,310and what's happening over there?And what's being said, and I147501:31:26,310 --> 01:31:30,000just want I don't like, don'tlike, there being all this147601:31:30,030 --> 01:31:31,710motion. And I don't understandwhat's happening.147701:31:32,460 --> 01:31:35,520Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go.That's exactly it. Yeah, it's147801:31:35,520 --> 01:31:35,850like,147901:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,880Dave Jones: it's like this, likea bunch of loud things, driving148001:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,220by your house, you know, for 15minutes, eventually, you're148101:31:41,220 --> 01:31:47,430gonna get out and look out thewindow. So this spending time to148201:31:47,430 --> 01:31:52,920me, I feel like there is thisculture of the sugar daddy148301:31:52,920 --> 01:31:57,000culture in Austria, and I thinkit comes from Dorsey the fact148401:31:57,030 --> 01:32:02,580that that Dorsey is bankrollinga bunch of stuff over there.148501:32:02,610 --> 01:32:05,820Yeah. Agree. And that that'swhere you get this sort of like,148601:32:05,850 --> 01:32:09,120I'm going to pay a bounty of, ofa million sets, if somebody148701:32:09,120 --> 01:32:14,430makes RSS feeds on noster. It'slike, why this is, it's just a148801:32:14,430 --> 01:32:20,010dumb idea. To me, it's the wholeit's the it's just dumb. I mean,148901:32:20,010 --> 01:32:23,640there are, so you're going toingest an RSS feed, and then149001:32:24,360 --> 01:32:28,650post it on noster. Like, what isit? What's the point? And I149101:32:28,650 --> 01:32:30,810don't even know, I just don'tunderstand this. And we've149201:32:30,810 --> 01:32:33,420already we already went downthis road. That is, I think149301:32:33,420 --> 01:32:38,640people, people in the not in theEllen URL nostra group may not149401:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,730understand that we've alreadythought a lot of this stuff149501:32:41,730 --> 01:32:45,600through. Yeah, we've fought thebattle to get some to get this149601:32:45,600 --> 01:32:51,240stuff the way that it operatesnow, and that is, you, you it is149701:32:51,240 --> 01:32:58,800not the right solution to forcesome to force the listener to149801:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,630create an invoice every timethey want to pay you. It's key149901:33:03,630 --> 01:33:07,980send is much as much as peoplemay not like he said it is the150001:33:07,980 --> 01:33:12,750right answer to this problem.And being able to, and there150101:33:12,750 --> 01:33:17,160should not have to be any nameresolution, that putting a a150201:33:17,160 --> 01:33:24,600node ID into a feed with keysend is the lamest and meanest150301:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,170solution. And it solves thisproblem perfectly. The app150401:33:28,260 --> 01:33:32,820doesn't have to do hardly anywork at all. It just, it just150501:33:32,820 --> 01:33:36,690looks at the node ID and boom,it's done. You don't have to do150601:33:36,690 --> 01:33:43,050all this crazy Ellen, your LP.Look at your nip 50 sevens. And150701:33:43,050 --> 01:33:46,500all this guy's like, you got todo all that. And so that's 10150801:33:46,500 --> 01:33:49,530splits in their feed. I mean,look at Think about how hard150901:33:49,530 --> 01:33:50,370that is for the app.151001:33:51,750 --> 01:33:55,590Adam Curry: How about this? Isthere a way to make a bridge so151101:33:55,590 --> 01:33:59,880people if they're really want tosend a zap, they can zap a151201:33:59,880 --> 01:34:03,060podcast and it hits the bridge,and that splits it into keys.151301:34:03,060 --> 01:34:05,640And that's something Brian ofLondon would build, by the way.151401:34:06,330 --> 01:34:08,280It's one of those Rube Goldbergthings.151501:34:10,110 --> 01:34:12,630Dave Jones: I'm just I'm justnot interested. Okay. I'm not151601:34:12,630 --> 01:34:20,400interested in the, to me. Here'snot noster has a people that I151701:34:20,400 --> 01:34:29,190respect like Alex Gleason havesome interest in noster. And so151801:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,230I'm not going to say that it's apile of crap. But I just feel151901:34:34,230 --> 01:34:38,520like the use cases they'retrying to put it to my opinion152001:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,270is the the social media use casewas the worst.152101:34:42,299 --> 01:34:43,889Adam Curry: It's probably theworst one they could have used.152201:34:43,919 --> 01:34:44,969I totally agree.152301:34:46,230 --> 01:34:48,810Dave Jones: It should have beensomething it could have should152401:34:48,810 --> 01:34:53,100have come out of the gate with adifferent use case. And because152501:34:53,100 --> 01:34:59,490this this thing is just notcompelling to me. I get on my152601:34:59,490 --> 01:35:03,810app And I don't want to be likeDebbie downer, like, beat this152701:35:03,810 --> 01:35:07,620thing down. Because I don't wantpeople doing that to the early152801:35:07,620 --> 01:35:11,010work of of what we're doing hereeither things that we're running152901:35:11,010 --> 01:35:13,770with scissors, they're runningwith scissors. I want to be153001:35:13,770 --> 01:35:18,600fair. But it's just I don't seethe point of a lot of this. A153101:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,840lot of these use cases as theway they're being implemented153201:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,680because you have the I get on mynoster app. I mean, I forget153301:35:25,680 --> 01:35:32,880what the Damas and half the timeI've got, I get on there, I153401:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,120start to scroll my timeline, andthen things begin are popping153501:35:36,120 --> 01:35:40,620up. Like after the fact, like,there were five seconds153601:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,240Adam Curry: the relay start tokick in.153701:35:43,980 --> 01:35:46,410Dave Jones: And then and then Idon't know where I'm at in my153801:35:46,410 --> 01:35:49,560timeline anymore, and no. Okay,so let's scroll back up to the153901:35:49,560 --> 01:35:55,290top, scroll by start startagain. And then people's names154001:35:55,290 --> 01:35:59,490are showing up as just pub keysand generic avatars. They're154101:35:59,490 --> 01:36:03,300just permanent that way. Andthen, and I tap on, then it does154201:36:03,300 --> 01:36:07,800the name resolution to find outwho they are. It's just not a154301:36:07,800 --> 01:36:08,550great experience154401:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,310Adam Curry: I'm seeing in thechat room or head saying no, no,154501:36:11,310 --> 01:36:14,760no, it's easy to do. It tookless than a weekend to add Ellen154601:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,300Euro fall back. If Kishen fails,the guys that get Alby are154701:36:18,300 --> 01:36:21,540suggesting it if we need to stopsomething, I need you to say it154801:36:21,540 --> 01:36:26,760now. Why exactly is it not? Isit too too much overhead for154901:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,020apps to do this.155001:36:29,100 --> 01:36:38,010Dave Jones: So So if if you haveif you have to force breeze to155101:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,940on a show like ours, which whichhas nine splits, if you have to155201:36:41,940 --> 01:36:48,810force breeze, to do an Ellen URLp resolution nine times every155301:36:48,810 --> 01:36:55,200minute, and boosts on top ofthat. That's not That's not just155401:36:55,200 --> 01:36:59,400a lot of a lot of load on theserver. Imagine if you have 100155501:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,340listeners at all listening toyour podcast at the same time,155601:37:02,340 --> 01:37:05,010which is where we want thisthing to be Yeah, imagine,155701:37:05,040 --> 01:37:11,370imagine no agenda. You have Ohgoodness. 700 people listening155801:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,400live at the same time. 2000155901:37:14,430 --> 01:37:15,660Adam Curry: Let's make it 2000.Again,156001:37:15,660 --> 01:37:19,470Dave Jones: let's say 2000people listening live on breeze.156101:37:20,580 --> 01:37:24,930Every one of those breeze appsis sending a streaming payment156201:37:25,080 --> 01:37:29,730once a minute and having to dopretend potentially nine or 10 l156301:37:29,730 --> 01:37:35,400in your LP invoice generationsand look up processes through156401:37:35,400 --> 01:37:39,120nip 57. That's a that's called aDDoS attack.156501:37:39,420 --> 01:37:42,120Adam Curry: Thank you. That'sexactly that's exactly what it156601:37:42,120 --> 01:37:47,520would be. Yeah, it's just notboth ends. By the way. You'd be156701:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,750dossing your own app,156801:37:49,500 --> 01:37:52,470Dave Jones: your is too muchoverhead. You can't you can't do156901:37:52,470 --> 01:37:57,300that. And the nature of thestreaming payments is is157001:37:57,300 --> 01:38:01,440critical booster great boostergrams are awesome. But the157101:38:01,440 --> 01:38:05,490streaming per minute payments,that's where the lifeblood of157201:38:05,490 --> 01:38:08,580the future lightening value forvalue economy comes from,157301:38:09,180 --> 01:38:13,920because that is how people Iforget to boost it. And I'm157401:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,700listening to the show. But Ialways know that that 100 SATs157501:38:17,700 --> 01:38:20,310minute that I selected, that'salways going to be ping, ping,157601:38:20,310 --> 01:38:22,950ping, ping ping, right. And Idon't have to, I don't have to157701:38:22,950 --> 01:38:27,120remember in people, once aminute you the podcasters157801:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,420looking at their dashboard isPing, ping ping to get income157901:38:30,420 --> 01:38:31,830coming in. And then also it's158001:38:32,940 --> 01:38:38,130Adam Curry: okay, that's a goodpoint. People who who want to158101:38:38,160 --> 01:38:42,060integrate and this arrowhead isnot going to stop who thinks158201:38:42,060 --> 01:38:45,390zapping is important, that'sgreat. But your your fucking158301:38:45,390 --> 01:38:48,750everybody else because you can'tdo splits. You're not going to158401:38:48,750 --> 01:38:51,420do that no one's going to bezapping nine different times and158501:38:51,420 --> 01:38:55,020nine different values. So you'recircumventing the whole process.158601:38:55,740 --> 01:39:01,200And I would I would alsoencourage other apps and158701:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,860services to consider that you'rereally undermining it.158801:39:05,820 --> 01:39:07,710Dave Jones: You're podcasting isnot social media. They're158901:39:07,710 --> 01:39:08,370correct.159001:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,060Adam Curry: And I love zappingas as a replacement for like I159101:39:12,060 --> 01:39:16,170think that's a great idea. It'sfantastic to I mean, and that's159201:39:16,170 --> 01:39:20,580where it's appropriate. Makes alot of and I liked it that it's159301:39:20,580 --> 01:39:24,810getting people into the into thehabit of returning some value159401:39:24,810 --> 01:39:28,650for something I like that a lot.I really do. But stay in your159501:39:28,650 --> 01:39:31,860lane, because it's an it's not awe put a lot of work into the159601:39:31,860 --> 01:39:35,460whole infrastructure. And youknow, when I hear the get Alby159701:39:35,460 --> 01:39:38,460and everyone wants to do this, Ithink they're riding a train and159801:39:38,460 --> 01:39:40,740they're screwing themselves andother people with it.159901:39:42,360 --> 01:39:48,870Dave Jones: I agree to and Ithink that I fully understand160001:39:48,870 --> 01:39:55,380what you're saying. I thinkyou're right. The zapping is a160101:39:55,380 --> 01:39:59,970great mechanic for returningvalue for a value for value ecos160201:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,410system in general, it makessense. The way that the way that160301:40:04,410 --> 01:40:07,740noster it the social mediaaspect of nostrils designed the160401:40:07,740 --> 01:40:11,940zapping makes sense. That's Yes,podcasting. They're not the160501:40:11,940 --> 01:40:14,760same. keep them separate. Thisjust doesn't make sense for160601:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,450podcasting. We've, we've, we'vebeen through this we've done160701:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,900this is where two and a halfyears into this noster is brand160801:40:21,900 --> 01:40:24,300new. This is not the same thing.160901:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,930Adam Curry: Yeah, and the mainthing, and this is what I want161001:40:27,930 --> 01:40:34,320to say to our head who's sayingno, it's the same as a boost.161101:40:34,350 --> 01:40:40,470No, it's not. Because we have asplit flow is not the same as a161201:40:40,470 --> 01:40:46,560boost. I'm just I, you know, asa wallet provider get Alby makes161301:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,750total sense. They can dowhatever they want, you know,161401:40:48,780 --> 01:40:54,900they want to do Aaron, what isthe what is the API payment161501:40:54,900 --> 01:41:01,110thing? Was LSAT? Yeah, theythere'll be many applications161601:41:01,110 --> 01:41:06,870for LSAT. Absolutely. Fountain,questionable. So I'm just saying161701:41:06,900 --> 01:41:11,340if you want to break the systemby by having people circumvent161801:41:11,340 --> 01:41:15,810the splits. Have at it, butyou're going to lose out in the161901:41:15,810 --> 01:41:17,220long run in the long run.162001:41:18,540 --> 01:41:22,470Dave Jones: I think there's ageneral issue here where this162101:41:22,470 --> 01:41:26,040has always been the word and Ijust want to be, I want to step162201:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,470back and be gracious toeverybody for a minute. I think162301:41:28,470 --> 01:41:36,570there is a a, there's alwaysbeen within this project. There162401:41:36,570 --> 01:41:40,950have been Bitcoiners coming topodcasting and podcasting coming162501:41:40,950 --> 01:41:45,390to Bitcoin. Yeah. And so thethose there's a natural sort of162601:41:45,390 --> 01:41:52,500missing a natural, a natural,like a Venn diagram. And they162701:41:52,500 --> 01:41:54,450overlap in the middle, butthere's a lot of places they162801:41:54,450 --> 01:41:58,200don't. So there's there's goingto be a natural tendency for one162901:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,570side to do things one way theother side to do things the163001:42:00,570 --> 01:42:06,180other way. And in podcasting 2.0We have to make we have to be in163101:42:06,180 --> 01:42:09,450the middle of that of that Venndiagram and make those things163201:42:09,510 --> 01:42:13,020mesh. Yeah, because the Bitcoinpeople are gonna see things one163301:42:13,020 --> 01:42:14,940way and be like, Yeah, let's dothat. To me, this is the163401:42:14,940 --> 01:42:21,390fundamental mistake of of, offorcing alien URL. Elon, you RLP163501:42:21,390 --> 01:42:25,440down and down podcasting,throat, it's not gonna work163601:42:25,440 --> 01:42:27,810we've already thought thisthrough. So just163701:42:28,230 --> 01:42:31,890Adam Curry: just know that wehave looked at we have looked at163801:42:31,890 --> 01:42:34,200it is not necessarily going tobe a great idea.163901:42:34,830 --> 01:42:38,430Dave Jones: Yeah, and podcastersalso have ideas that don't fit164001:42:39,060 --> 01:42:42,150within the other side. So wehave to mediate that as well. So164101:42:42,180 --> 01:42:45,840yeah, I think I think there'sjust a bit especially the bit164201:42:45,990 --> 01:42:49,980the Bitcoin people, becausethere's money involved. And what164301:42:49,980 --> 01:42:52,080you see it with these bountiesand that kind of thing, that164401:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,610they, they just want to run offand do something and it's like164501:42:56,610 --> 01:42:59,670you guys, you mean you can't,she's not the way it works. And164601:42:59,670 --> 01:43:03,090you got to slow down and getsome consensus here. And think164701:43:03,090 --> 01:43:06,990about, think about the theindustry and the audience that164801:43:06,990 --> 01:43:09,450you're trying to address withthe technology that you're164901:43:09,450 --> 01:43:12,930making. If you're, if you'retrying to address problems165001:43:12,930 --> 01:43:17,250within podcasting, or music, orother types of things, you need165101:43:17,250 --> 01:43:20,970to understand that industryfully before you dive in and165201:43:20,970 --> 01:43:24,240start building something andtrying to propose a standard165301:43:24,510 --> 01:43:27,090standards aren't bad, but youhave to at least understand what165401:43:27,090 --> 01:43:28,740the audience needs before youmake it.165501:43:28,830 --> 01:43:33,150Adam Curry: I guess now, I knowhow Marco feels. Right? Because165601:43:33,150 --> 01:43:36,030I really felt like people werebullying. You know, it's like,165701:43:36,060 --> 01:43:42,420Nah, man, this is the way to go.This is the way it is right now.165801:43:42,420 --> 01:43:43,500I don't think so.165901:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,740Dave Jones: Anyway, you know, Iknow some people did that to166001:43:46,740 --> 01:43:49,800Marco that I you know, we wetold the people early on to166101:43:49,800 --> 01:43:55,080chill out and stop being thatway. You know, I don't think I166201:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,960think his problems over thosepeople not not with yes, no,166301:43:57,990 --> 01:43:59,340Adam Curry: no, no, no, I knowthat. I know.166401:44:01,260 --> 01:44:03,690Dave Jones: He made he made acomment about standards. And you166501:44:03,690 --> 01:44:04,110know, we166601:44:05,400 --> 01:44:06,900Adam Curry: do we have astandard there's lots of166701:44:07,080 --> 01:44:07,500there's,166801:44:08,070 --> 01:44:09,960Dave Jones: I think those aregonna be the other thing I said166901:44:09,960 --> 01:44:15,030we we we briefly entertainedcalling things standards and167001:44:15,030 --> 01:44:15,300made167101:44:15,330 --> 01:44:18,330Adam Curry: by requests fromfrom hosting companies, by the167201:44:18,330 --> 01:44:21,660way, it was a request to dothat. And I think we even tried167301:44:21,660 --> 01:44:24,150to I certainly tried to pickthat up and it just died on the167401:44:24,150 --> 01:44:27,060vine. And And honestly, I'mhappy.167501:44:28,890 --> 01:44:31,440Dave Jones: Their specs, theseare these justifications and you167601:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,380can either do them or not, youdon't nobody's forcing anybody167701:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,130to do anything.167801:44:35,220 --> 01:44:38,070Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.You're all podcasting. 2.0 It's167901:44:38,070 --> 01:44:41,880just more podcasting is notbreaking anything. It's not168001:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,910changing anything. It's notmaking a new standard. And we're168101:44:44,910 --> 01:44:47,370gonna we have some interestingmeeting scheduled with people168201:44:47,370 --> 01:44:50,280who are kind of into that I'mnot sure I would even be for168301:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,760calling it a standard or W threeC. You know, I love the way168401:44:53,790 --> 01:44:58,140everything works. Now. We're theboss, and everyone else can168501:44:58,140 --> 01:45:06,840pounce like that. I like thatsystem I mean it's so far it's168601:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,540worked out really well it's beena very open process and it's168701:45:09,540 --> 01:45:12,870been fantastic you know and theminute you bring you know like168801:45:12,900 --> 01:45:15,810official structure into it I waslike oh that's gonna ruin it168901:45:17,640 --> 01:45:22,680Dave Jones: you can Yeah, that'sright. Oh airhead says landing169001:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,770addresses are no longer onlyElon URL that's right because169101:45:26,520 --> 01:45:31,380because we booked that systeminitially to get key sand in169201:45:31,380 --> 01:45:33,840there as well so that's right Isaid I mean this this stuff has169301:45:33,840 --> 01:45:34,620been thought through169401:45:35,340 --> 01:45:39,000Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, let'stake a few people as we move169501:45:39,000 --> 01:45:47,850towards a buck 45 here okay, wegot the SIR Spencer stuff we got169601:45:49,560 --> 01:45:55,440blueberry 17,776 Big freedomboost sending boost pilling169701:45:55,440 --> 01:45:59,040karma. Tonight I will attemptgiving comedian Sam Tripoli the169801:45:59,070 --> 01:46:02,640PC 2.0 equivalent of tellingsomeone that 911 hijackers were169901:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,980identified by the passportsfound at the base of the Twin170001:46:04,980 --> 01:46:12,300Towers. Okay, sounds great. Oh,and there's Phoenix. The better170101:46:12,300 --> 01:46:17,400half of a phone boy. Also 6969SAS Thank you pod father for all170201:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,040you're doing lady Phoenix andLord phone boy the Lowe's170301:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,240effect. Come for the shenanigansstay for the party. We really170401:46:24,240 --> 01:46:29,400appreciate you guys letting usbust in here. Eric P. P 33,333.170501:46:29,400 --> 01:46:34,350About an hour ago Dred Scott5555 says Adam was really having170601:46:34,350 --> 01:46:36,390fun yesterday was great towitness. It was great to have170701:46:36,390 --> 01:46:39,780you all there as well. DredScott also, the only guy I'll170801:46:39,780 --> 01:46:43,560check it again, but the only guyever to use the tally coin170901:46:43,590 --> 01:46:47,340unchained payment system that wehave so proudly displayed by171001:46:47,340 --> 01:46:59,130request. He did send us let'ssee. Holy crap. drab. I see171101:46:59,130 --> 01:46:59,700nuts.171201:47:00,330 --> 01:47:02,460Dave Jones: When did he fall inthe keyboard?171301:47:02,490 --> 01:47:05,640Adam Curry: 224,035. saps171401:47:07,500 --> 01:47:11,280Unknown: sock 20 is blades onlyImpala171501:47:11,610 --> 01:47:13,560Adam Curry: shouldn't add to thetally coin yesterday.171601:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,480Dave Jones: JB you do too much.171701:47:15,570 --> 01:47:18,090Adam Curry: I really do much.And we give him we only give him171801:47:18,090 --> 01:47:22,350like a 5% cut on the split forchapters. Well, I do give it on171901:47:22,350 --> 01:47:25,920every single podcast I do. Somaybe he's able to recycle some172001:47:25,920 --> 01:47:33,330of it. And let's see, chat F3333. Hey, I only requested Ride172101:47:33,330 --> 01:47:35,400the Lightning after someonerequested milkshake. Yeah,172201:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,610that's right. That was for you aspecial milkshake. Milkshake. So172301:47:40,440 --> 01:47:47,310yes, chat F No. 3333 A Chris,you know 9013 You can't just go172401:47:47,310 --> 01:47:51,000out there do pole work wheneveryou want. You first have to call172501:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,830up and put in a poll request.Yeah. Dred Scott boosting Dave's172601:47:55,830 --> 01:48:00,690poll works 5555 your poll workwas outstanding. I've been told172701:48:00,810 --> 01:48:06,120and there's dread with a preboost 55,555 or dread.172801:48:07,110 --> 01:48:09,600Dave Jones: I'm gonna startsending this back. Yeah. Yeah,172901:48:09,690 --> 01:48:12,330Adam Curry: yeah, we got yourand that's another beautiful173001:48:12,330 --> 01:48:14,610thing. We don't need anypermission to send him money.173101:48:15,180 --> 01:48:17,160Dave Jones: That's right. And hedidn't even stop us. That's the173201:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,300beautiful thing about Kison173301:48:19,110 --> 01:48:21,510Adam Curry: lyceum. Which ofcourse is Martin Linda's Coke, a173401:48:21,510 --> 01:48:25,560replay of yesterday's Libertyboost regarding and those 2112173501:48:25,770 --> 01:48:28,980Regarding the song 55 millionFrenchmen. And Benjamin173601:48:28,980 --> 01:48:32,340Bellinis. Post music tip. Thisis always so cryptic, happy173701:48:32,340 --> 01:48:37,170music. radio.com. Okay, thankyou very much, Martin. Let's see173801:48:37,170 --> 01:48:43,560what else do I have? I think Ithink that's all it is. I know,173901:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,220you'll of course have all of theall of the booths from174001:48:47,220 --> 01:48:51,000yesterday, I think I thinkpretty much everybody so we can174101:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,850run through them pretty quick,because a lot of requests there.174201:48:53,850 --> 01:48:54,300So174301:48:54,810 --> 01:48:57,390Dave Jones: I grabbed theboosts. I didn't try to get the174401:48:57,390 --> 01:49:00,300boost from today or anything.I'm just gonna stick and read174501:49:00,300 --> 01:49:03,000the boost that I had preparedfor Friday's show. Yeah, that's174601:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,550probably good. Because I goteverybody else. Yeah. And then174701:49:05,550 --> 01:49:09,930we'll sort it out later. Yeah.Well, we had a we had $200 from174801:49:10,020 --> 01:49:11,910Oscar Mary over fountain. Oh,174901:49:12,780 --> 01:49:18,450Unknown: wow. 20 is Blake on amPaula thank you, Oscar.175001:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,900Dave Jones: Very kind enoughalways to support us monthly.175101:49:22,500 --> 01:49:27,300Appreciate Oscar. Thank you,brother. And we got some booster175201:49:27,300 --> 01:49:31,110grants. We got 22 to 22 big roadducks from Todd in Northern175301:49:31,110 --> 01:49:34,920Virginia. Just boosting it toeggs can't stop won't stop175401:49:38,280 --> 01:49:39,720Adam Curry: don't stop don'tstop175501:49:41,670 --> 01:49:43,320Dave Jones: don't let anybodymake you stop. Don't175601:49:43,320 --> 01:49:43,920Adam Curry: ever ever,175701:49:44,370 --> 01:49:47,940Dave Jones: ever mere mortalspodcast. 2222 Road ducks he says175801:49:47,940 --> 01:49:51,420no secrets between board membersspilled Buzzsprout beans Dave175901:49:51,630 --> 01:49:52,890Buzzsprout being Buzzsprout176001:49:52,890 --> 01:49:56,220Adam Curry: beans. That's aboutboost boost boost.176101:49:57,030 --> 01:49:58,740Dave Jones: I didn't know I hadbus route beans176201:49:58,950 --> 01:50:00,960Adam Curry: must have must besomething You alluded to176301:50:00,960 --> 01:50:01,470somewhere176401:50:04,410 --> 01:50:06,180Dave Jones: okay, I don't evenremember I'm sorry. I don't176501:50:06,180 --> 01:50:10,770remember. more memorablecharacter back again 5555176601:50:10,770 --> 01:50:14,010through found and he says,Congrats on getting to your176701:50:14,010 --> 01:50:17,190first Bitcoin meetup. Dave,Texas slim will be at the one176801:50:17,190 --> 01:50:20,970here in Brisbane next week. I'msuper pumped on my birthday as176901:50:20,970 --> 01:50:24,120well. Oh, cool. I'm going toBrisbane,177001:50:24,540 --> 01:50:28,140Adam Curry: Brisbane, Brisbane,Brisbane, Brisbane, Brisbane,177101:50:28,770 --> 01:50:36,840Dave Jones: Brisbane, this wasit. Yeah. Whoosh. 12498 the177201:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,320fountain nappy says byepodcasting. 2.0x go podcasting177301:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,270just keep it at the suggestedspeed.177401:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,450Adam Curry: Yeah, we will gopodcast177501:50:49,590 --> 01:50:51,570Dave Jones: close to Texas slimgoing all the way down to177601:50:51,570 --> 01:50:52,200Australia for177701:50:52,230 --> 01:50:54,750Adam Curry: he's doing beefinitiative down under. He's177801:50:54,780 --> 01:50:57,630doing the same. He's been reallygetting a lot of attention.177901:50:58,530 --> 01:51:00,690Dave Jones: And he's preachingthe gospel. Like to the far178001:51:00,690 --> 01:51:01,980flung reaches of the Earth. Itwas a178101:51:01,980 --> 01:51:05,100Adam Curry: pretty cool articleabout him and ABC, which is178201:51:05,100 --> 01:51:08,700Australian BroadcastingCorporation, M M, five M. And178301:51:08,850 --> 01:51:13,170they said, A man who's who's whogoes by Texas limb. And we asked178401:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,780him for his full name. He saidthat's all you need to know tax178501:51:15,780 --> 01:51:22,410asleep. Like you don't need toknow I'm Texas slavers. My Mama178601:51:22,440 --> 01:51:24,420knows me by Texas. flim that'senough.178701:51:26,700 --> 01:51:28,110Dave Jones: Takes us asleep. Butit178801:51:28,110 --> 01:51:29,880Adam Curry: was interesting tosee because you know, of course178901:51:29,940 --> 01:51:32,970there was Bitcoiners there andyou know, like a typical beef179001:51:32,970 --> 01:51:35,850initiative meetup and talkingabout purchasing, you know, the179101:51:35,850 --> 01:51:40,050beef with Bitcoin and what theAustralian media but glommed on179201:51:40,050 --> 01:51:43,470to is, you know, this undertoneup feels a lot like the179301:51:43,470 --> 01:51:50,130sovereign man movement, like no,no, no, no, no, I did have to do179401:51:50,130 --> 01:51:51,000something negative.179501:51:51,030 --> 01:51:56,310Dave Jones: They always do that.Yeah. Clark in 25,001 SATs179601:51:56,310 --> 01:52:00,090through fountain switching fromFiat cookbooks to boosting every179701:52:00,090 --> 01:52:03,210episode up the good work and seeit the next meetup Dave, that's179801:52:03,210 --> 01:52:03,600my buddy.179901:52:03,630 --> 01:52:07,530Adam Curry: Oh, nice. He was atthe Bitcoin meetup180001:52:08,130 --> 01:52:10,830Dave Jones: that we wrotetogether that's powered Oh nice.180101:52:11,190 --> 01:52:16,500Adam Curry: You take the flatbedyou don't drive that outside180201:52:16,500 --> 01:52:18,300you're 15 minutes city is thatthe180301:52:21,390 --> 01:52:25,110Dave Jones: Yeah, nothing inBirmingham is 15 That's not even180401:52:25,140 --> 01:52:30,090you can't even do 15 minutes inso I went from contracts180501:52:30,150 --> 01:52:34,23013579 13 festivity now throughpod versus finally time again to180601:52:34,230 --> 01:52:37,110listen to the podcast and boostalright, we agree on the180701:52:37,110 --> 01:52:40,380listening speed it somehow feelswrong to listen faster than 1x180801:52:40,380 --> 01:52:47,760and cut pauses boost believerThank you 16 969 From Hey180901:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,360citizen through pod verse. Hesays another great show fellas181001:52:51,480 --> 01:52:53,640when I grow up I want to be justlike you too.181101:52:53,789 --> 01:52:57,269Adam Curry: Oh, oh how you doingbooster just like us.181201:52:57,749 --> 01:53:02,009Dave Jones: So sweet. MereMortals podcast to 2222 from181301:53:02,009 --> 01:53:05,879found through fountain he saysBitcoin meetup update takes a181401:53:05,879 --> 01:53:09,479slam is awesome. And I need toanalyze some of my food choices.181501:53:09,569 --> 01:53:16,289Also bitcoin is awesome. GoBitcoin ing. We so I see. We had181601:53:16,289 --> 01:53:19,139to lead up to the meetup. Yeah.And then the181701:53:19,140 --> 01:53:21,300Adam Curry: actual meetupthemselves. I think Slim is now181801:53:21,300 --> 01:53:22,980on his way to Thailand.181901:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,820Dave Jones: Wow. Yeah, thisworld tour. Well, he182001:53:26,850 --> 01:53:30,150Adam Curry: he was he intendedto retire to Thailand before he182101:53:30,180 --> 01:53:32,790kind of came out of retirementto do this beef initiative.182201:53:32,910 --> 01:53:35,550Because Thailand is interesting.I'm not talking Bangkok.182301:53:35,940 --> 01:53:40,140Although that is that is fun forsome things. But more like Shang182401:53:40,140 --> 01:53:44,220Mei Xiang. I've been to Thailandin a documentary. They're really182501:53:44,220 --> 01:53:48,600nice, really nice people. A veryjust sweet population very182601:53:48,600 --> 01:53:53,040giving very open. They lovetheir royal family, you know, so182701:53:53,040 --> 01:53:58,050they're, they're very, they'renationalists. Food is fantastic.182801:54:00,420 --> 01:54:06,240It's cheap, cheap to live there.It's, I understand you, the Thai182901:54:06,240 --> 01:54:07,830culture is really wonderful.183001:54:08,640 --> 01:54:11,460Dave Jones: I've got a friend ofa friend who lived in Thailand183101:54:11,580 --> 01:54:16,320as a teacher for gosh, seven oreight years. And every time he183201:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,860came back to the US, he waslike, Oh, my God, things are so183301:54:19,860 --> 01:54:24,000expensive here. He said it wasvery cheap there. Lady said you183401:54:24,000 --> 01:54:28,950could you could have a big mealwith five of your buddies Jen.183501:54:29,490 --> 01:54:32,910You know, it would cost you asmuch as like a meal for two here183601:54:33,030 --> 01:54:35,640Adam Curry: unless you go to theno hands restaurant in Bangkok,183701:54:35,640 --> 01:54:40,440which is a whole nother story.Okay, you know what, you know183801:54:40,440 --> 01:54:44,940what the no hands restaurant isso so so the food is in a table183901:54:44,940 --> 01:54:50,040is kind of like it's a roundtable. And there's to bench184001:54:50,040 --> 01:54:53,430seats comfortable, you know,pillows and everything. So you184101:54:53,430 --> 01:54:59,340and your friends sit near thefood and behind you will be your184201:54:59,340 --> 01:55:03,930servant. Who then who then willget your food prepared and feed184301:55:03,930 --> 01:55:04,530it to you?184401:55:05,730 --> 01:55:06,540Dave Jones: Whoa,184501:55:06,570 --> 01:55:14,190Adam Curry: typically naked. Oh,it's that kind of it was a long184601:55:14,190 --> 01:55:17,910time ago. But it was adocumentary. Funny enough184701:55:18,269 --> 01:55:20,459Dave Jones: is it sounds like aplot of a movie is what it184801:55:20,459 --> 01:55:21,269sounds like. Yeah,184901:55:21,300 --> 01:55:23,790Adam Curry: yeah, that's whenyou know well if you remember185001:55:23,910 --> 01:55:27,360faces of death they actuallydon't remember that the monkey185101:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,550head sticking out and they chopthe head off and they ate the185201:55:29,550 --> 01:55:31,470brains from the live monkeyremember that?185301:55:31,829 --> 01:55:35,969Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that wasVHS tape.185401:55:37,500 --> 01:55:40,650Adam Curry: 15/50 generation VHStape. Exactly.185501:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,750Dave Jones: I was convinced thatwas real. Like this is all real185601:55:45,750 --> 01:55:52,530man. This was great Yale, ourbuddy yell from Vienna. sent us185701:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,560155,555 sets185801:55:57,420 --> 01:56:01,890Unknown: Sakala Dias Blaze on amPaula. Thank you. Thank you.185901:56:02,490 --> 01:56:04,380Dave Jones: He says hey, gents,thank you for your courage from186001:56:04,380 --> 01:56:08,370Vienna but disgusting native adwith Austrian finance journaux186101:56:08,700 --> 01:56:13,230Nico jilts. We've got a new 2.0enabled podcast using substack186201:56:13,380 --> 01:56:17,760fix the money.net withinterviews, prophecy tutorials,186301:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,760and commentary from the Bitcoinlobbying world. Thank you both186401:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,670for your encouragement andpatience in GitHub and Mastodon186501:56:23,760 --> 01:56:31,350mercy and Dunker Nice. Thank youyo, appreciate it. 6969 from a186601:56:31,350 --> 01:56:35,130citizen to pod verse he says. Doyou think sites like no agenda186701:56:35,130 --> 01:56:38,430social.com will have a way toreceive boost the way Podcasts186801:56:38,430 --> 01:56:38,790can.186901:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,610Adam Curry: I don't see why.Well how about zaps?187001:56:42,120 --> 01:56:47,100Dave Jones: daps Yeah, yeah,that's That's great. There187101:56:47,100 --> 01:56:51,120again. That's that's the thingzaps find for social media. It's187201:56:51,120 --> 01:56:55,830slow motion. It's it's fine.Yeah. Not good for podcasts. No.187301:56:55,920 --> 01:57:00,060Yes. Don't don't put boosts intoyour into your social. Don't put187401:57:00,060 --> 01:57:03,990yourselves into podcasting.Matthew says187501:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,750Adam Curry: I'm with you all addmy two cents right to it.187601:57:07,860 --> 01:57:11,520Dave Jones: Another another 6969from Hey, citizens, he says a187701:57:11,550 --> 01:57:15,150feature request for the podcastapps, streaming sets using the187801:57:15,150 --> 01:57:17,940DeVore act multiplier. Youlisten at one and a half speed187901:57:17,940 --> 01:57:18,870you stream one and a half.188001:57:21,570 --> 01:57:24,930Adam Curry: I agree with that. Ithink that's the way to go. This188101:57:24,930 --> 01:57:27,360is a great idea. Now you'recooking.188201:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,600Dave Jones: Yeah, you pay forit. Yeah, boy logs and it's188301:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,750100,000 SAS through pod verse.He says thanks for all your hard188401:57:33,750 --> 01:57:36,780work. I'm showing my partner howV for V works by sending this188501:57:36,780 --> 01:57:39,540one now. Thank you. Oh, cool.100,000 sets.188601:57:39,570 --> 01:57:42,390Adam Curry: Wow, you know whatyou get for that? Bolo.188701:57:42,420 --> 01:57:46,260Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on Iam Paula188801:57:47,760 --> 01:57:54,660Dave Jones: Ameet to SC 32,023cents Palindrome there 3202335188901:57:54,660 --> 01:57:59,220vs. Podcasting live from flossconference in Tel Aviv. A P dot189001:58:00,420 --> 01:58:04,800C A P dot a hammock or H A.Okay, I'm gonna have to read189101:58:04,800 --> 01:58:11,160this as a website. A P dot hamakor.org. dot i l go189201:58:11,160 --> 01:58:11,790podcasting.189301:58:12,270 --> 01:58:13,770Adam Curry: Okay, go podcast.189401:58:15,930 --> 01:58:21,660Dave Jones: Thank you. ToddCochran. 150,420 sets189501:58:23,490 --> 01:58:27,600Unknown: off 20 is Blaze ohm amPaula.189601:58:27,900 --> 01:58:31,440Dave Jones: He's you're showingoff now. 50% of what was said on189701:58:31,440 --> 01:58:35,970the last show was seriously deerin the headlights discuss. What189801:58:35,970 --> 01:58:36,600did we say?189901:58:36,630 --> 01:58:43,170Adam Curry: I don't know allabout about I don't know. That190001:58:43,170 --> 01:58:44,430all he said is not only wrote190101:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,700Dave Jones: now he says growthin podcasting is flat as a190201:58:47,700 --> 01:58:51,090pancake. And based on calls.I've been having podcasting190301:58:51,090 --> 01:58:54,150companies are in trouble. Thatsaid best time ever to be a190401:58:54,150 --> 01:58:56,970podcaster as audience numbersare growing amongst fewer shows,190501:58:56,970 --> 01:58:58,020but go podcasting?190601:58:58,049 --> 01:59:03,209Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm with youon that. Okay, when he says mean190701:59:03,209 --> 01:59:05,309when he says flat? I mean,that's the growth of the190801:59:05,309 --> 01:59:06,479companies I guess.190901:59:07,049 --> 01:59:11,489Dave Jones: I guess. I don'tknow. Maybe he just means the191001:59:11,489 --> 01:59:15,089number of the number of newshows outside of the free.191101:59:16,110 --> 01:59:19,470Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that's abit yeah. New customers for191201:59:19,470 --> 01:59:23,610podcast hosts. Yeah, yeah. Imean, you're gonna have churn.191301:59:23,610 --> 01:59:26,700You're gonna have people leavingyou need to get new people in. I191401:59:26,700 --> 01:59:28,920don't know. I always hearBuzzsprout always has another191501:59:28,920 --> 01:59:30,4205000 people every week.191601:59:31,560 --> 01:59:38,340Dave Jones: Yeah, it must. Itmust be. If it's like yeah, I191701:59:38,340 --> 01:59:41,190guess they're tied together. Imean, you're it's a beautiful191801:59:41,190 --> 01:59:43,920thing. Because you're, there'sthat direct your customer,191901:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,540you're the growth of yourcompany is the growth of your192001:59:45,540 --> 01:59:49,230customer. There's funny money inbetween. Exactly. It's a very192101:59:49,230 --> 01:59:52,620natural thing. Thank you, Todd.Appreciate it. I don't even192201:59:52,620 --> 01:59:54,720remember what we said at thebeginning of this show, much192301:59:54,720 --> 01:59:55,380less last year.192401:59:56,039 --> 01:59:59,009Adam Curry: We talked about ourown lives of ourselves as usual192501:59:59,039 --> 02:00:00,989as you do on a podcast. Let'stalk about herself.192602:00:01,950 --> 02:00:05,430Dave Jones: lyceum. 1776 He saysAdam and Dave, I listened to192702:00:05,430 --> 02:00:09,870Sophie Tucker singing 50 millionFrenchmen can't be wrong. After192802:00:09,870 --> 02:00:11,760reading Benjamin Bellamy's blog,yeah,192902:00:11,790 --> 02:00:13,950Adam Curry: like I just readthat one. I think a religious193002:00:13,950 --> 02:00:15,810one we had Yeah, we had thatone.193102:00:17,910 --> 02:00:19,770Dave Jones: Okay, yep. Allright, we got it. Well,193202:00:20,340 --> 02:00:21,210chemistry bloggers.193302:00:22,710 --> 02:00:24,810Adam Curry: I was gonna say Iwas waiting for him. Where is193402:00:24,810 --> 02:00:25,020he?193502:00:26,490 --> 02:00:30,720Dave Jones: Dignified, Dave andabiding Adam. Building a medium193602:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,780that provides the environmentfor humanity to coalesce around193702:00:33,780 --> 02:00:37,920since making broadcasters is noeasy feat if you ever want to193802:00:37,920 --> 02:00:41,790take a load off, after all thatdigital heavy lifting, kick back193902:00:41,910 --> 02:00:45,270with the AI doc cooking podcast,inspired by the best194002:00:45,600 --> 02:00:49,800infotainment purveyors in therealm and hosted by Kentish rock194102:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,880and Rolla, Gregory Forman, whoalways keeps it three by four,194202:00:53,970 --> 02:00:55,950yo CSB whoosh194302:00:55,980 --> 02:00:59,490Adam Curry: moves. Thank youCSB. He's always there, man. You194402:00:59,490 --> 02:01:01,200can count on him. He's veryconsistent.194502:01:01,770 --> 02:01:03,630Dave Jones: They're getting moreand more complex every time194602:01:03,660 --> 02:01:05,940Adam Curry: now. It's okay.We'll take it we appreciate we194702:01:06,090 --> 02:01:08,970we appreciate everyone who hasbeen boosting us now you have194802:01:08,970 --> 02:01:11,910some monthlies before we closeout the segment. Yeah.194902:01:12,780 --> 02:01:16,380Dave Jones: I've got I've got aMichael Kimmerer and $5.33 I've195002:01:16,380 --> 02:01:21,510got a drip Scott at $15 TheUnstoppable drip Scott Lesley195102:01:21,510 --> 02:01:26,970Martin it $2 Christopher Raymer$10 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gun195202:01:26,970 --> 02:01:35,220calvess $5 Scott Jalbert $12Chad Pharoah 12 $20.22 Martin195302:01:35,220 --> 02:01:39,180Linda scope $1 and Mark Graham$1. And that's our group.195402:01:39,240 --> 02:01:42,300Adam Curry: And thank you all somuch for delivering the value.195502:01:42,330 --> 02:01:46,530It is really appreciated,especially yesterday show but195602:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,590also everyone who showed uptoday and in the chat room that195702:01:49,590 --> 02:01:53,910has been contributing if youwant to support podcasting 2.0195802:01:53,910 --> 02:01:57,990the podcast and of course, theindex, go to podcast index.org.195902:01:57,990 --> 02:02:00,840Scroll down to the bottom you'llsee two red donate buttons. One196002:02:00,840 --> 02:02:05,040is for your Fiat fund couponsvia PayPal, and the other one is196102:02:05,040 --> 02:02:08,910that tally coin that only DredScott uses. But of course we'd196202:02:08,910 --> 02:02:12,750love for you to try a modernpodcast app works with all your196302:02:12,750 --> 02:02:16,230old podcast, no problem, you canexport from Apple export from196402:02:16,230 --> 02:02:19,950any podcast, including overcastwhatever it is, even from one of196502:02:19,950 --> 02:02:23,640the newer podcast apps, you cantry them all. Export your OPML196602:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,490file or your podcasts, whateverit's called. It's different per196702:02:26,490 --> 02:02:30,090app, and just import it into thenew one. And you got Presto196802:02:30,810 --> 02:02:34,770Wallah. You've got like a rabbitout of a hat. You've got all of196902:02:34,770 --> 02:02:38,820your subscriptions right there.And you can now actually197002:02:38,820 --> 02:02:44,160purchase little bits of BitcoinSatoshis in think for apps we197102:02:44,160 --> 02:02:50,010have breeze we have fountain wehave pod verse. What am I197202:02:50,010 --> 02:02:56,340forgetting here? I know I'mforgetting something. Dave197302:02:56,340 --> 02:03:01,110helped me. What the Where youcan you can buy SATs in Fountain197402:03:01,140 --> 02:03:08,310pod verse. Anything with getAlby I guess? breeze to freeze?197502:03:08,520 --> 02:03:12,570First one, I'm sure there's afourth one you can buy by SATs197602:03:12,570 --> 02:03:16,770right through Moon pay right inthe app? I don't remember that.197702:03:16,980 --> 02:03:19,650I you know, we need to we needto do Apps page. Yeah, I'm197802:03:19,650 --> 02:03:22,740drawing a blank. I don't thinkthere's a there's not a fourth.197902:03:22,980 --> 02:03:25,140There's no. There's no stepfour.198002:03:26,880 --> 02:03:30,510Dave Jones: I don't know whatyou may be. I think I know what198102:03:30,510 --> 02:03:32,850you're talking about. Oh, no, Ithink I know what you're talking198202:03:32,850 --> 02:03:35,610about. I don't? Yeah. It's notout yet.198302:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,880Adam Curry: What am I talkingabout? I mean, I'm not Todd198402:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,710Cochran. I don't have secrets.198502:03:43,260 --> 02:03:45,360Dave Jones: Because I can'tWell, I can't think of anything198602:03:45,360 --> 02:03:45,990else that is198702:03:47,790 --> 02:03:50,820Adam Curry: it doesn't matter.Just go ahead and figure it out.198802:03:50,850 --> 02:03:55,350Go to new podcast apps.com andget some things you can boost us198902:03:55,350 --> 02:03:58,020you can join in the fun clearly.It's a lot of fun, because you199002:03:58,020 --> 02:04:00,930get your name mentioned a lot inyour in your message read. And199102:04:01,140 --> 02:04:05,370you get to have standing amongsteverybody else in the listening199202:04:05,370 --> 02:04:11,280audience. We appreciate that.Thank you for your thinking. I'm199302:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,640not thinking your desire. We'vereceived exactly zero SATs from199402:04:14,640 --> 02:04:18,960Zion ever. But he raised $6million. Yeah, there you go.199502:04:19,470 --> 02:04:22,950There you go. That's how itgoes. I wouldn't want that. That199602:04:22,950 --> 02:04:27,150albatross around my neck. Noway. No, not at all. Hi,199702:04:27,150 --> 02:04:32,670brother. 8:14pm. It's been alate one. I'm going to finish199802:04:32,670 --> 02:04:35,220this up. Get everything out. Getit going. Roll it out. So199902:04:35,220 --> 02:04:37,980everyone can enjoy that thisevening or tomorrow morning200002:04:37,980 --> 02:04:40,950before no agenda. Just stick itin, stick it into your into your200102:04:40,950 --> 02:04:46,050Sunday morning. And hopefullyeverything stays up where you200202:04:46,050 --> 02:04:48,720are and you don't have to goback to the office. You're gonna200302:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,100have a nice day off tomorrow.200402:04:50,940 --> 02:04:52,650Dave Jones: I hope everythingstays up where you are.200502:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,110Adam Curry: I'm gonna see ifwe're gonna get back and keep it200602:04:55,110 --> 02:04:59,610say enough. That's alrightbuddy. That'll do it. Thanks for200702:04:59,610 --> 02:05:02,130joining. Is this late nightboardroom meeting where we get a200802:05:02,130 --> 02:05:04,800little punchy. We'll be backnext Friday right here200902:05:04,800 --> 02:05:06,390podcasting 2.0201002:05:21,720 --> 02:05:26,250Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast201102:05:26,250 --> 02:05:29,760index.org For more informationpodcast.201202:05:31,290 --> 02:05:33,930Dave Jones: Hey, James Sam's outof town give me a call.