Episode 123: Get Off My Chain!

100:00:00,659 --> 00:00:06,419Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0February 24 2023 Episode 123 Get200:00:06,419 --> 00:00:12,329off my chest Hello everybodyonce again time for your weekly300:00:12,329 --> 00:00:16,769board meeting and podcasting 2.0We are the North Star in a400:00:16,769 --> 00:00:22,319galaxy of corporate gloves andboy isn't a clutch everything500:00:22,319 --> 00:00:24,299you want to know about thelatest with the podcast600:00:24,299 --> 00:00:28,709namespace and forest podcasting2.0 in its entirety the podcast700:00:28,709 --> 00:00:31,589apps and everything happening atpodcast index dot social I'm800:00:31,589 --> 00:00:34,559Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country in900:00:34,559 --> 00:00:37,709Alabama. The commander ofOperation chop and drop say1000:00:37,709 --> 00:00:39,929hello to my friend on the otherend ladies and gentlemen Mr.1100:00:39,929 --> 00:00:41,819Dave Jones1200:00:43,890 --> 00:00:50,580Dave Jones: Hello. I know it'sstuck now. Yeah, we always going1300:00:50,580 --> 00:00:51,600to be days in there.1400:00:51,630 --> 00:00:53,760Adam Curry: We always start theshow off with a little bit of a1500:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,640singing we'd like to bring theworship team together1600:01:00,450 --> 00:01:01,200Dave Jones: the praise team1700:01:01,499 --> 00:01:03,359Adam Curry: the praise team. Oh,I've never heard that one. The1800:01:03,359 --> 00:01:08,399praise team that's a good one.Ah, it is Friday. Once again.1900:01:08,399 --> 00:01:10,439How you doing brother?Everything good up there or down2000:01:10,439 --> 00:01:12,119there and over there in Alabama.2100:01:12,780 --> 00:01:15,960Dave Jones: It's good over herein Alabama. Busy. Yeah. With the2200:01:16,230 --> 00:01:17,970with the Texas. Oh, that's2300:01:19,110 --> 00:01:20,040Adam Curry: right. That's right.2400:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,820Dave Jones: I went to my firstfirst ever Bitcoin meetup. Oh,2500:01:23,820 --> 00:01:27,450holy night. Oh, how was that?Here in here in here in the2600:01:27,450 --> 00:01:27,930hand? Well, let2700:01:27,930 --> 00:01:29,910Adam Curry: me guess. Let meguess. Hi, everybody. Welcome to2800:01:29,910 --> 00:01:31,680the meetup. Let's talk aboutnoster.2900:01:34,260 --> 00:01:39,120Dave Jones: That came at theend. Lots of nostre talk at the3000:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,330very end. Yeah, that wasfantastic. It was great. That3100:01:42,330 --> 00:01:45,900was good. I've never been toanything that it felt. It was a3200:01:45,930 --> 00:01:52,920it was a very religious typeevent. I mean, like, I mean, in3300:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,350the sense that everybody's like,you know, the same ilk you know?3400:01:58,860 --> 00:02:02,940They're so it's like going intolike a Bitcoin Bible study. Big3500:02:04,860 --> 00:02:08,850Adam Curry: BBs Bitcoin Biblestudy. Well, it is kind of true3600:02:09,540 --> 00:02:12,810that that when you meetBitcoiners that's kind of like3700:02:12,810 --> 00:02:16,710no agenda listeners to when youmeet Bitcoiners does like all3800:02:16,710 --> 00:02:19,140over the spectrum and I mean,literally is a spectrum3900:02:19,140 --> 00:02:23,190sometimes. And you wouldn't beable to know any of these people4000:02:23,190 --> 00:02:25,650wouldn't walk down seas Oh, thatgut person was a Bitcoin you4100:02:25,650 --> 00:02:29,040would know until you meet him.And it is it is a real sense of4200:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,730community. There's somethinggoing on there that I've4300:02:32,730 --> 00:02:34,560witnessed many times it's kindof cool.4400:02:35,580 --> 00:02:38,730Dave Jones: Yeah, I liked allthe people there no nobody I had4500:02:38,730 --> 00:02:44,490ever met before from around bermyou know Birmingham and great we4600:02:44,490 --> 00:02:48,060have a wide diversity of peoplefrom different places a guy4700:02:48,330 --> 00:02:50,910talked about proof of work andthen in4800:02:51,330 --> 00:02:54,030Adam Curry: general orspecifically to Bitcoin Phoebe4900:02:54,060 --> 00:02:54,750Phoebe comm5000:02:55,530 --> 00:02:59,280Dave Jones: did like apresentation on it and and stuff5100:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,390is it meatless is yeah, it wasgood and then like the people5200:03:03,390 --> 00:03:07,830that run it are really nice andcommitted have been run it for a5300:03:07,830 --> 00:03:10,710while didn't even know this wasgoing on. So anyways good. It's5400:03:10,710 --> 00:03:12,240good to get out into the Ohyeah.5500:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,630Adam Curry: Did the did peopleknow who you were? Do you say Do5600:03:15,630 --> 00:03:18,420you know who I am? Did you saythat like I am the pod sage5700:03:18,420 --> 00:03:21,900Shruti heard a podcast surelyvalue for value rings a bell5800:03:21,900 --> 00:03:22,560people5900:03:23,100 --> 00:03:27,090Dave Jones: did not say anythinglike that. This? No I did not6000:03:27,090 --> 00:03:28,260turn on douche mode I kept6100:03:29,220 --> 00:03:31,290Adam Curry: it's not douchemotives. PR mode. Did you Did6200:03:31,290 --> 00:03:35,310anyone talk about value forvalue in podcasting at all?6300:03:35,940 --> 00:03:38,130Dave Jones: They talked a lotabout podcasts that they6400:03:38,130 --> 00:03:43,380listened to talk about podcastabout podcasting in any of that6500:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,660sort of sense. So I figured Ifigured what I do is I just get6600:03:45,660 --> 00:03:48,810to know people for a while andthen I'm done. And then a few6700:03:48,810 --> 00:03:51,690weeks I'd say hey, I can do apresentation on podcasting.6800:03:51,690 --> 00:03:55,050tupuna There you go. They seemthat seems to be their thing.6900:03:55,050 --> 00:03:57,300They seem to be like every,every time they have a meet up7000:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,300they have somebody do like apresentation so I could do V for7100:04:00,300 --> 00:04:00,960v you know7200:04:00,990 --> 00:04:04,020Adam Curry: very nice. I didwant to mention to everybody7300:04:04,230 --> 00:04:07,950this is my new health warning.I'm very concerned for people as7400:04:07,950 --> 00:04:12,000I've discovered that there are athe entire armies of people are7500:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,200listening to podcasts ataccelerated speed. I would like7600:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,700to warn you out to the SP at anyat anything above 1.0 I'd like7700:04:20,700 --> 00:04:22,770to remind you this is very badfor your health. You are7800:04:22,770 --> 00:04:26,490hijacking your nervous system.There is no need for you to cram7900:04:26,490 --> 00:04:30,090more podcasts into your life.You will not be able to8000:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,520cognitively absorb what normalpeople are saying anymore. Stop8100:04:35,520 --> 00:04:35,850it8200:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,840Dave Jones: this is what what isnew this and new what was Where8300:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,090are you so far? Out of the blue8400:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,290Adam Curry: no unwell no it kindof came up during the week as I8500:04:49,290 --> 00:04:52,620was someone sent me a videowhich was clearly a you know a8600:04:52,620 --> 00:04:57,030so called Deep fake and it wasJoe Rogan and and Peterson they8700:04:57,030 --> 00:04:59,190were talking together and I'mlike that's pretty it's pretty8800:04:59,190 --> 00:05:03,510good. It's getting pretty close.And then it dawned on me that it8900:05:03,510 --> 00:05:07,440sounds a bit like, you know,SmartSpeed from overcast or any9000:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,040other spared who does notactually speed up the voices, it9100:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,890tries to keep the pitch incheck. And it sounds very much9200:05:13,890 --> 00:05:17,040like a deep fake and I thought,oh my god, people will never be9300:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,520able to recognize a deep fakeanymore, because this is how9400:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,420they're used to listening tostuff. And I got so many emails9500:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,360in your blood people said, youknow, what you said was kind of9600:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,750interesting because I can'tlisten to normal conversation9700:05:30,750 --> 00:05:33,990anymore without thinking peopleare drunk or it's really weird.9800:05:34,230 --> 00:05:37,950And like that is not healthy.Think about what your data is9900:05:37,950 --> 00:05:43,020not healthy. You need to be ableto have cognition of normal10000:05:43,020 --> 00:05:48,840life. So stop it. You do. Okay,one more thing. If you if you10100:05:48,840 --> 00:05:52,560feel you need to acceleratelistening to podcast because you10200:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,580need more podcast, please stoplistening to this one right10300:05:56,580 --> 00:06:00,300away. Go away. You're sick.Okay. Yeah. What do you want to10400:06:02,279 --> 00:06:08,429Dave Jones: say go? No. As afirst of all, somebody needs to10500:06:08,429 --> 00:06:12,719get the an ISO of Bob Newhartdoing that skit. Where have you10600:06:12,719 --> 00:06:15,059seen that one where he justwants to stop it? Where he's the10700:06:15,059 --> 00:06:20,729psychologist who charges $5.Just to stop it.10800:06:21,570 --> 00:06:23,220Adam Curry: Fortunately, no, Idon't have that one.10900:06:23,280 --> 00:06:29,730Dave Jones: But the as a as areformed podcast, multi multi11000:06:29,790 --> 00:06:33,720multi XOR I don't know what youcall that multispeed person's11100:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,790chick? Yeah. Yeah. As a sicko,or form, sicko form, sicko. I11200:06:38,790 --> 00:06:43,980used I used to listen to all mypodcasts in one at 1.0 speed up11300:06:44,010 --> 00:06:49,200speed up with the, with the thewhatever, whatever that thing is11400:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,420where it chops out the silencesbetween them and all that kind11500:06:51,420 --> 00:06:55,590of stuff. Yeah, the silencechopper. Silence Joe. Yeah. And11600:06:56,010 --> 00:07:01,980I. I did that exclusively. Andthen at some point I heard you11700:07:01,980 --> 00:07:06,510say on I think it was on noagenda. I heard you griping11800:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,780about this. And I was like,okay, you know what, you11900:07:09,780 --> 00:07:14,070probably ride? Yeah, um, becauseI noticed I would get home from12000:07:14,070 --> 00:07:16,320like a commute somewhere, Iwould get home and I had been12100:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,650listening to this for let's say,30 minutes. And I would be12200:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560irritable with the people in thehouse.12300:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,550Adam Curry: I've saved yourmarriage is what you're saying.12400:07:28,410 --> 00:07:32,640Dave Jones: My kids, oh, you oweyou a debt of gratitude. Like in12500:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,010this, like, Okay, I'm gonnastop. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop12600:07:35,010 --> 00:07:38,850it. I'm gonna stop it. And so Ijust changed everything back to12700:07:38,850 --> 00:07:44,190normal speed cut out the goodout the solid choppers. And, and12800:07:44,190 --> 00:07:48,630at first, it was painful. I waslike, it feels so slow. But then12900:07:48,630 --> 00:07:53,190after about a week, I'm like,Oh, this is actually normal. And13000:07:53,190 --> 00:07:58,320I'm in it for 100% Sure way waybut not 105 by13100:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,500Adam Curry: five, five by five,four quarters, anything can13200:08:01,500 --> 00:08:02,250additionally13300:08:03,510 --> 00:08:10,050Dave Jones: it improved. The allmy my conversations with people13400:08:10,050 --> 00:08:14,340around me it it put it reset mybrain back to normal. I agree13500:08:14,340 --> 00:08:16,170with you exclusively.13600:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,100Adam Curry: There's somethingelse that came along. And I just13700:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,090realized this also spurred meon, I got new glasses. And I13800:08:24,090 --> 00:08:30,510needed I needed glasses withmultifocal lenses, because, you13900:08:30,510 --> 00:08:35,340know, I'm now flying back flyingagain. And and I'm nearsighted.14000:08:35,340 --> 00:08:39,750So I'm sitting in front of thepodcast studio screen here, I14100:08:39,750 --> 00:08:42,930see it perfectly withoutglasses. But if I move back to14200:08:42,930 --> 00:08:48,660just about where the glasspanels are, in today's modern14300:08:48,660 --> 00:08:51,480aircraft, you know, it's alittle fuzzy, but you kind of14400:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,680need to see the, the instrumentsand I'm used to you know, steam14500:08:55,680 --> 00:08:59,190gauges, dials, you know, that'sapproximately there. That looks14600:08:59,190 --> 00:09:04,950about right. So, so I needed newglasses, and I and I got two14700:09:04,950 --> 00:09:09,480pair and the one pair, theophthalmologist got me14800:09:09,750 --> 00:09:14,730transitions with three. So youhave Far, Far Away close up for14900:09:14,730 --> 00:09:17,400reading, which is handy becauseyou know, if I'm walking through15000:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,460the supermarket, I'm alwaystaking my glasses off looking at15100:09:20,460 --> 00:09:24,780my phone, putting them back on.And then a medium stage which is15200:09:24,780 --> 00:09:30,630actually perfect for the for theglass cockpit. And it was the15300:09:30,630 --> 00:09:34,680first time I put them on i Whoa,I almost fell over. Because15400:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,970you're so used to moving youreyes behind your glasses. Now15500:09:38,970 --> 00:09:41,970it's like you move them down.It's like whoa, and you got all15600:09:42,420 --> 00:09:46,140goes out of focus. You look tothe left, it's like vertigo. And15700:09:46,140 --> 00:09:49,980it took me a few days. And thatreminds me of the experiment15800:09:49,980 --> 00:09:52,560where you put the glasses onthat invert the world15900:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,530everything's upside down andyour brain will accept that16000:09:55,530 --> 00:09:59,070within 24 hours even shorterthan that you will be able to16100:09:59,070 --> 00:10:02,820function perfectly fine with theworld being projected upside16200:10:02,820 --> 00:10:07,380down to your eye, you know, toyour through your eyes. So16300:10:07,410 --> 00:10:11,520logically when just what yousaid, when when you get used to16400:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,490it and then you come home andyou want to beat your children16500:10:19,230 --> 00:10:25,080go faster. Come on, get out.What did you want to say? Yeah,16600:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,290that's16700:10:25,290 --> 00:10:26,850Dave Jones: exactly that'sactually what it's like there's16800:10:26,910 --> 00:10:30,420there's a low level ofirritation. It forms in the back16900:10:30,420 --> 00:10:32,820of your head when you're whenyour little girl was telling you17000:10:32,820 --> 00:10:35,670about her homework and you'rejust like, go stop17100:10:35,670 --> 00:10:40,080Adam Curry: being so slow. Wow,okay, thank you. I'm adding this17200:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,230to my arsenal. This is this willimprove your home life, it will17300:10:43,230 --> 00:10:45,720improve your the sex will bebetter.17400:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,020Dave Jones: I can attest to sexbetter.17500:10:49,950 --> 00:10:52,590Adam Curry: You get you have sexif you stop being an asshole.17600:10:53,070 --> 00:10:53,640Really good.17700:10:54,239 --> 00:10:58,259Dave Jones: That's all so thatalso qualifies as better. from17800:10:58,259 --> 00:11:03,299none to Yes. Oh, goodness. Ialso agree though, with tone17900:11:03,299 --> 00:11:07,049record is that if you listen toroast beef, the developer Oh,18000:11:07,049 --> 00:11:09,779yeah. That is the only time yourace acceptable to18100:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,810Adam Curry: just slow it down toslow it down. slow him down.18200:11:12,810 --> 00:11:14,130That's true. That's true. Yeah,18300:11:14,130 --> 00:11:20,340Dave Jones: he says has been I'mthinking maybe point 25018400:11:20,340 --> 00:11:22,590Adam Curry: My goodness, we havea very special board member I18500:11:22,590 --> 00:11:25,200want to bring in in a moment.But not until you and I have18600:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,380discussed one important storywhich I felt only really got to18700:11:28,380 --> 00:11:38,910mention. YouTube. Yeah. Podcastegg. No, that was not what I was18800:11:38,910 --> 00:11:41,340gonna talk about. Oh, okay.18900:11:41,370 --> 00:11:42,600Unknown: I got to know. Sorry.No, I19000:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,140Adam Curry: was gonna talk aboutthe story from NPR because it19100:11:46,140 --> 00:11:49,830got it. Gotta mention it. Thankyou. It caught my attention19200:11:49,830 --> 00:11:53,940because it was a story aboutNPR. Well, I have the story19300:11:53,940 --> 00:11:58,830here. Allison. I have the clip.I have their very own clip and19400:11:58,830 --> 00:12:00,750we won't play the whole thing.We'll get up to the pertinent19500:12:00,750 --> 00:12:03,630bit here. And now of course,some news. By the way, you got19600:12:03,630 --> 00:12:08,490to we got to slow it down andtalk like NPR he now for some19700:12:08,490 --> 00:12:13,980news about ourselves. NPR? Yes,we're so transparent. We report19800:12:13,980 --> 00:12:15,720on our own smelly poop.19900:12:15,750 --> 00:12:19,650Unknown: And now of course, somenews about NPR itself. NPR20000:12:19,650 --> 00:12:23,550announced a major restructuringtoday and revealed it's about to20100:12:23,550 --> 00:12:27,780lay off about 10% of theworkforce. Our CEO John Lansing20200:12:27,780 --> 00:12:32,760cited a drop of $30 million inprojected advertising revenues.20300:12:32,790 --> 00:12:34,950Adam Curry: So this caught myattention when you say because20400:12:34,950 --> 00:12:39,780NPR is National Public Radiounderwriting and well, the it's20500:12:39,780 --> 00:12:42,690always been questionable, youknow, is it sponsorships,20600:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,080underwriting, advertising, callit whatever you want. And I20700:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,440think that it was a littleconfusing, but I can dissect20800:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,160this quickly. That's20900:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,880Unknown: about to lay off about10% of the workforce. Our CEO21000:12:53,910 --> 00:12:59,130John Lansing cited a drop of $30million in projected advertising21100:12:59,130 --> 00:13:02,370revenues. And PR mediacorrespondent David Folkenflik21200:13:02,370 --> 00:13:05,430joins me and David, it's alwaysa pleasure to talk to you. But21300:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,860this is a tough day, as youknow, here at NPR.21400:13:08,460 --> 00:13:12,690Yeah, look, it's it's, it's areal loss. As John Lansing said,21500:13:13,380 --> 00:13:16,470in a memo to staff I've beenhere over 18 years, it's the21600:13:16,470 --> 00:13:18,720toughest cuts I've seen, it'sprobably the toughest since the21700:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,850early 80s. What we know is not alot except about the extent of21800:13:23,850 --> 00:13:28,020it. And what John Lansing saidto me was that it would not be21900:13:28,020 --> 00:13:31,830uniform across he wasn't justgoing to take a hatchet and do22000:13:31,830 --> 00:13:36,570the same across all divisions.He wants to be strategic and22100:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,530thoughtful about how it's done.But you know, this is22200:13:40,530 --> 00:13:43,320necessarily going to be us doingnot only less with less, but22300:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,000reconfiguring how we do it.22400:13:45,629 --> 00:13:48,449Adam Curry: I'll stop therebecause what they kind of waffle22500:13:48,449 --> 00:13:53,189around about is what the problemis what happened with NPR who22600:13:53,189 --> 00:13:56,879are supposed to be running ondonations, you know, they have22700:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,989donation drives, you get a totebag or a coffee cup. If you22800:14:00,989 --> 00:14:04,679submit a support your local NPRstation, what happens? It's22900:14:04,680 --> 00:14:05,970Dave Jones: gonna guess what theproblem is? Yeah,23000:14:05,970 --> 00:14:06,600Adam Curry: go for it.23100:14:08,130 --> 00:14:11,850Dave Jones: The Pro, I'm gonnaguess that the problem in this23200:14:11,850 --> 00:14:14,580comes from reading the article,which was actually very long.23300:14:14,970 --> 00:14:17,940Adam Curry: The article actuallytells us what the problem is.23400:14:18,270 --> 00:14:22,320Dave Jones: It said somethinglike that there was 490 people23500:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,410in the newsroom and like 230people in management.23600:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,480Adam Curry: Now that is part ofthe problem. What really23700:14:30,480 --> 00:14:37,800happened here is they built ahuge podcasting division. And23800:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,470the podcasts do acceptadvertising. And so this so they23900:14:43,470 --> 00:14:48,000already were trimming down inNovember they they were cutting24000:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,110they cut everything by 10%.That's not really mentioned. NPR24100:14:52,110 --> 00:14:54,720is programming division, whichproduces its industry leading24200:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,970podcast has more than doubledsince 2019. You see they got on24300:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,220The hate bandwagon thatparticularly with, with with24400:15:05,370 --> 00:15:11,190lock downs when a everybody wascreating podcasts, see the chop24500:15:11,190 --> 00:15:14,520and drop exercise to pare downthe crap that was still the24600:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,470remnants of that shit floatingaround in our in our index it24700:15:19,470 --> 00:15:25,410more than doubled. And you knowwith that Dvorak and I actually24800:15:25,410 --> 00:15:27,450went through a lot of theirprobe they have a lot of24900:15:27,450 --> 00:15:33,900programs that they created inthe past couple of years. And25000:15:33,900 --> 00:15:39,330the advertising as predicted aswarned for by this very podcast25100:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,910post. It's done it dried up.It's I mean, of course there's25200:15:44,910 --> 00:15:47,430always going to be somemarketing. The podcasting is the25300:15:47,430 --> 00:15:50,280first one to go this the firstway you know, it's very, it's25400:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,940not well measured, you know, theIAP stats, it's all this crap25500:15:53,940 --> 00:15:58,950that it's too complicated.There's no ESG benefit anymore25600:15:58,950 --> 00:16:01,800because you actually have to payfor it now. It's not free from25700:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,630you know, free money you canborrow. And so they just over25800:16:06,660 --> 00:16:11,280overstimulated the wholeprogramming division. And that25900:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280is going to be a bloodletting inthat division in the in the26000:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,760podcasting space where theythought, you know, this will26100:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,080just go on forever.26200:16:19,650 --> 00:16:22,920Dave Jones: And they said theyhave just the newsroom currently26300:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,190stands at just shy of 490 peoplewhile programming has shot up to26400:16:26,190 --> 00:16:30,900230. And yours. I wonder howmuch of that quote unquote26500:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,640programming was podcasts, all26600:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,700Adam Curry: podcasting? It's allabout Yeah, it's all and here's26700:16:35,700 --> 00:16:41,820the other problem. Whenpodcasting works, when it's26800:16:41,820 --> 00:16:47,100almost a one man band, youcannot afford to do and this is26900:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,460the problem with Spotify withgimlet now they have unions over27000:16:50,460 --> 00:16:53,520there are you kidding me? Evenwhile we have editors and27100:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,580producers and associatedassociate producers, and27200:16:56,580 --> 00:17:01,890production assistants, and getcoffee, and and line editors and27300:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,500then an executive they allreport to that's the other side27400:17:04,500 --> 00:17:08,310of the equation. Because they'reall in this fantasy of, of big27500:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,570broadcasting, I mean, even top40 radio stations don't have27600:17:12,690 --> 00:17:18,570that level of, of staffing, andthey're barely getting by27700:17:18,750 --> 00:17:22,710barely. So this, you know, thisinflated, oh, my gosh, it's27800:17:22,710 --> 00:17:26,970gonna be so great. You know,it's now coming crashing down.27900:17:26,970 --> 00:17:29,670And I just want to say a coupleof things I want to say about28000:17:29,670 --> 00:17:34,620it, one, learn how to produceyour own podcast. You know, it28100:17:34,620 --> 00:17:37,980doesn't, you don't have to be?No, it doesn't have to be the28200:17:37,980 --> 00:17:41,730Wall of Sound every single timethere's, you can learn how to.28300:17:41,910 --> 00:17:44,880And I prefer to make the soundand record it Direct to Tape and28400:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,310not mess with everything afterthe fact you do whatever you28500:17:47,310 --> 00:17:51,420feel is necessary. But also, Iwant to tell the hosting28600:17:51,570 --> 00:17:56,040companies, it's going to slowdown, there's not going to be28700:17:56,040 --> 00:18:01,080this big influx of 1000s of newcustomers every week, it's just28800:18:01,110 --> 00:18:03,690going to slow down. And if Icould make one one more28900:18:03,690 --> 00:18:09,210recommendation that I'll shutup. I would recommend a hosting29000:18:09,210 --> 00:18:12,120company. If you're giving awayfree account stop right away.29100:18:12,690 --> 00:18:17,310Give away an account where youtake 20% of the value for value29200:18:17,310 --> 00:18:21,480streaming sites up to a cap orin perpetuity, whatever you want29300:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,310to do, and make that your dealand stimulate people using that29400:18:26,310 --> 00:18:29,370move away from all I mean,subscriptions I think is a29500:18:29,370 --> 00:18:34,590pretty good business too.Although fundamentally, I don't29600:18:34,590 --> 00:18:37,110like the idea of paying forsomething you can't listen to29700:18:37,110 --> 00:18:42,540otherwise. I don't like the thepaywall version of it29800:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,180Dave Jones: the V for Vsubscriptions. Are those work?29900:18:45,180 --> 00:18:45,480Yeah,30000:18:45,510 --> 00:18:48,180Adam Curry: I mean, that's whatwe've done with no agenda for 1530100:18:48,180 --> 00:18:50,940years with Pay Pal, you know,and of course, gradually going30200:18:50,940 --> 00:18:55,950to try and move that into otherpayment platforms da. But you30300:18:55,950 --> 00:19:01,050know, seriously, think about,think about doing more of that,30400:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840and stimulating people to getbecause if you if you can get30500:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,860someone who has 100 peoplelistening, but you know, there's30600:19:07,860 --> 00:19:11,640one person there who's who does$1,000 a month, you're out of30700:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,140your cost, you know, and itreally didn't hurt you didn't30800:19:16,140 --> 00:19:20,460hurt anybody made it easy foreveryone to participate in. And30900:19:20,460 --> 00:19:23,160I think it's a model for thefuture that that is just me.31000:19:24,420 --> 00:19:29,100And, and stop listening at timesx speed, you know, jobs.31100:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,850Dave Jones: They said to me,they're laying off 10% of their31200:19:32,850 --> 00:19:36,660workforce. I mean, that's a hugejob. That's big. Yeah, that's31300:19:36,660 --> 00:19:39,960more than any. I think thatmight be the biggest one we've31400:19:39,960 --> 00:19:40,320heard.31500:19:40,319 --> 00:19:42,329Adam Curry: But they also saidit's not going to be uniform31600:19:42,329 --> 00:19:45,119across the organization. No,it's going to be in podcasting.31700:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,309It's all podcasts. Exactly what31800:19:47,310 --> 00:19:50,670Dave Jones: their quote, theirquote was, in I think it's31900:19:50,670 --> 00:19:54,000interesting that this is a thisis an article about themselves.32000:19:54,270 --> 00:19:56,760So they're talking I mean,they're not. This is not32100:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,970guesswork. They're telling youexactly what's going on. Now if32200:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,220Was there some positioning? Imean, I'm not saying that32300:20:02,220 --> 00:20:06,060there's not. But, you know,there's lots of, well, just like32400:20:06,060 --> 00:20:07,830everybody else is havinglayoffs, we're gonna have to32500:20:07,830 --> 00:20:09,300have them too. There's a lot ofthat did32600:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,430Adam Curry: a lot of look atSilicon Valley. Okay, so you're32700:20:11,430 --> 00:20:16,260comparing NPR to Google andAmazon. So clearly, clearly,32800:20:16,260 --> 00:20:23,070you're talking about podcasts.And this is why I also put 00 is32900:20:23,070 --> 00:20:28,110the word wait on the YouTubepodcast announcement? Go ahead,33000:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,650go go jacked up over there. Thispodcasting has been through33100:20:31,650 --> 00:20:33,840this. We've seen this a milliontimes.33200:20:34,530 --> 00:20:38,250Dave Jones: That they said theythe reason they gave in I mean,33300:20:38,250 --> 00:20:40,710this is really specific. Andagain, this is talking them33400:20:40,710 --> 00:20:42,660talking about themselves.They're telling you what's going33500:20:42,660 --> 00:20:47,430on. They said, quote, in talkingabout the calls, quote, and33600:20:47,430 --> 00:20:52,110erosion of advertising dollars,particularly for NPR podcasts,33700:20:52,140 --> 00:20:56,790quote, specifically said that,yes, I mean, that that there's33800:20:56,790 --> 00:21:01,980no ambiguity there. Advertisingin NPR podcasts is not keeping33900:21:01,980 --> 00:21:05,910pace, and they can't fund those230 program.34000:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,629Adam Curry: There was actually aspot in here, Michigan, fine.34100:21:09,629 --> 00:21:12,359You know, this is mastering howwe do it is a spot where she34200:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,869says, But you know, it's peopledoing podcasts or doing34300:21:15,869 --> 00:21:18,749journalism, too. We've listened.He said that this is going to be34400:21:18,779 --> 00:21:19,799a significant way.34500:21:19,829 --> 00:21:22,079Unknown: Now, what does thatactually mean? When he says he34600:21:22,079 --> 00:21:24,299wants to be thoughtful? Hedoesn't think this will be34700:21:24,299 --> 00:21:28,379uniform across divisions catchypodcast, is actually34800:21:28,379 --> 00:21:28,949envisioning?34900:21:29,460 --> 00:21:32,790We don't know, we don't. What wedo know is three, three35000:21:32,790 --> 00:21:38,550different kinds of strategicwhich is as law and also its35100:21:38,580 --> 00:21:41,520audience to you know, seekyounger and more35200:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,100Adam Curry: diverse I like this.I like with this is what35300:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,380Dave Jones: this means, just asa commentary. I mean, with this35400:21:46,380 --> 00:21:49,440riveting content I stunning thatthey've had no problem selling35500:21:49,440 --> 00:21:49,920advertising.35600:21:50,339 --> 00:21:54,209Unknown: VR has to deepen andbroaden its audience to deepen35700:21:54,209 --> 00:21:58,499and broaden. What does that evenmean, you know, seek younger and35800:21:58,499 --> 00:22:00,839more diverse audience baseyounger and35900:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,850Adam Curry: diverse audiencebase? You know what that is?36000:22:02,970 --> 00:22:05,730That's corporate bullshit iswhat that is. That's the36100:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,980Unknown: way in which he seesbuilding for the future. And he36200:22:07,980 --> 00:22:11,670said that since he arrived inthe fall of 2019, he's also36300:22:11,670 --> 00:22:14,550talked about unifying itsnewsroom with its programming36400:22:14,550 --> 00:22:14,940side, but36500:22:15,180 --> 00:22:17,280Adam Curry: not when you unifythe newsroom with its36600:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,100programming side, you know whatthat means? Native Ads, you're36700:22:20,100 --> 00:22:24,420going to be making content forthe advert and our NPR team36800:22:24,420 --> 00:22:27,630skilled voices, they'll makespecial podcast just for your36900:22:27,630 --> 00:22:29,760brand. Trust me, it always goes37000:22:29,940 --> 00:22:32,730Dave Jones: away more storiesabout Taco Bell Mexican pizza37100:22:32,730 --> 00:22:34,740coming back, because it'sexactly it's37200:22:34,740 --> 00:22:36,720Unknown: where so much growthhas happened lately,37300:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,690particularly in the podcastingdivision. But these divisions in37400:22:39,690 --> 00:22:40,980some ways artificial. Well,37500:22:40,980 --> 00:22:42,030Adam Curry: I don't want to hearthat again. What37600:22:42,030 --> 00:22:45,870Unknown: are you say? 2019. He'salso talked about unifying its37700:22:45,870 --> 00:22:48,780newsroom with its programmingside, the programming is where37800:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,150so much growth has happenedlately, particularly in the37900:22:51,150 --> 00:22:53,730podcasting division. But thesedivisions, in some ways are38000:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,520artificial. A lot of ourcolleagues doing journalism are38100:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,770doing so under the rubric ofpodcasting, but it's still38200:22:58,770 --> 00:23:01,080really part of a greaterjournalistic function.38300:23:01,650 --> 00:23:02,970Adam Curry: And that's whereyou'd break.38400:23:05,339 --> 00:23:07,829Dave Jones: That's actually whatwhat is the definition of38500:23:07,829 --> 00:23:11,909rubric? Rubric? I wonder why hechose that word.38600:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,620Adam Curry: It's a goodquestion. Rubric rubric. A38700:23:16,620 --> 00:23:22,230direction rubric. Do you have agood definition meaning, okay,38800:23:22,440 --> 00:23:28,080authoritative rule, a rule ofconduct of how we, huh, that's38900:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,530interesting. Well, if you lookat NPR podcast, and you know,39000:23:31,530 --> 00:23:34,380say, well, that's basically it.They're doing journalism. I'm39100:23:34,380 --> 00:23:41,340not so sure. I think you reallywent crazy. Let's see. Where are39200:23:41,340 --> 00:23:47,910their podcasts? exclusives,exclusives. Date of Ukraine. All39300:23:47,910 --> 00:23:51,630right, there you go up first,consider this one, a embedded39400:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,530here and now anytime planetmoney life kit, the indicator39500:23:55,530 --> 00:24:00,210wisdom, ultimate coupon codeswitch through line. It's been a39600:24:00,210 --> 00:24:05,880minute. I mean, they have somany podcasts. Oh, they must39700:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,330have some big deals with peopleon this too. Anyway.39800:24:10,230 --> 00:24:12,450Dave Jones: Yeah, this is notthey get on.39900:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,290Adam Curry: I feel bad when,when when this happens. But, you40000:24:16,290 --> 00:24:18,690know, it's like, let's behonest, let's just be honest40100:24:18,690 --> 00:24:22,530with what we're doing in thepodcasting space. Ads are not40200:24:22,710 --> 00:24:28,620going to be great for maybe along, long time. I don't know. I40300:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,310don't know. You know, but it's,it's an that whole, the whole40400:24:32,310 --> 00:24:36,480world is seeing this and isequipping themselves for what40500:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,360they see on the horizon. So, youknow,40600:24:39,389 --> 00:24:40,949Dave Jones: I think it'simportant. I was reading this40700:24:40,949 --> 00:24:45,449morning. I was reading thismorning about how the Fed is not40800:24:45,449 --> 00:24:48,929fed, excuse me the about how theofficial stats coming out of the40900:24:48,929 --> 00:24:52,799administration about the youknow, the economic numbers about41000:24:52,799 --> 00:24:59,279unemployment. They're all justso bogus and the banks, even the41100:24:59,279 --> 00:25:02,279big banks are still And to callit out and say these, these41200:25:02,279 --> 00:25:07,169numbers don't seem to comportwith reality. And so, you know,41300:25:07,169 --> 00:25:11,339I'm not sure that we even knowthe extent of what's happening41400:25:11,339 --> 00:25:16,199economically right now. I feellike we're actually probably in41500:25:16,199 --> 00:25:20,159the dark about a lot of thingsand so we're the pain might41600:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,849actually be way worse than rightnow than we may be. We may be41700:25:23,849 --> 00:25:26,279firmly in recession territoryalready.41800:25:26,310 --> 00:25:29,340Adam Curry: Well, technically,by the technical nature of two41900:25:29,550 --> 00:25:34,590quarters, two down quarters of,of GDP, yes, we are in the42000:25:34,590 --> 00:25:35,490United States,42100:25:36,390 --> 00:25:39,540Dave Jones: down quarters, evenwith funny numbers. We could be42200:25:39,540 --> 00:25:42,750like deep in recession and notbe aware of it. And42300:25:42,779 --> 00:25:46,199Adam Curry: the disgusting thingis, is if you listen to the Wall42400:25:46,199 --> 00:25:49,529Street guys, and the Fed,they're like, Well, you know,42500:25:50,069 --> 00:25:53,579Damn, man, we can't get we needunemployment needs to be higher42600:25:53,609 --> 00:25:56,999than you know, that is theirmetric that will keep raising42700:25:56,999 --> 00:26:03,629interest rates until the jobmarket softens IE. There's more42800:26:03,629 --> 00:26:06,449unemployment, they are rootingfor unemployment. They raise42900:26:06,449 --> 00:26:09,899interest rates to get youunemployed. This is literally43000:26:09,899 --> 00:26:11,939what they're saying. Youprobably don't hear it because43100:26:11,939 --> 00:26:14,309it sounds like this. Well, weready to get that what did it43200:26:14,309 --> 00:26:19,439get that job? I can tell youdon't understand the nuance, but43300:26:19,439 --> 00:26:20,519that's what's happening.43400:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,910Dave Jones: Man. I've beenreading back to reading secrets43500:26:23,910 --> 00:26:25,410of the temple every night.43600:26:26,130 --> 00:26:27,330Adam Curry: I'm not familiarwith secrets.43700:26:29,010 --> 00:26:31,740Dave Jones: Book by WilliamGreider. He's too bright for The43800:26:31,740 --> 00:26:35,220Washington Post. I think it waspublished in maybe 1990 or 91.43900:26:35,730 --> 00:26:38,940It's about the Paul VolckerFederal Reserve. Oh,44000:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,280Adam Curry: sure. Sure. In44100:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,639Dave Jones: 80s. And it's it's abig book. It's like 700 pages.44200:26:44,909 --> 00:26:49,469But it's it's all the insidestory about, about that44300:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,739timeframe? And what what allthey did, have you ever heard of44400:26:52,739 --> 00:26:56,219the monetary Control Act of1980?44500:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280Adam Curry: Was this where theytried to price fix stuff?44600:27:00,210 --> 00:27:04,260Dave Jones: No, this was theFed, the Fed under William44700:27:04,260 --> 00:27:09,060Miller was worried about that. Ididn't realize this, there that44800:27:09,060 --> 00:27:13,860banks before 1980, banks couldchoose not to be a member of the44900:27:13,860 --> 00:27:18,480Federal Reserve System. And whathappened to is if you were a45000:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,540member of the Federal ReserveSystem, you are required to keep45100:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,650a certain amount of reserves,yes, on deposit at the Fed. But45200:27:25,650 --> 00:27:29,040the Fed did not pay interest onthose reserves in that griped a45300:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800lot of banks. So what a lot ofbanks and credit unions and45400:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320savings and loans would do isthey would pull, they would they45500:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,740would leave the Federal ReserveSystem go on their own under the45600:27:37,740 --> 00:27:41,610State Banking reg regulations oftheir state. And they would not45700:27:41,610 --> 00:27:46,110have to keep those reserves ondeposit. So they could keep them45800:27:46,110 --> 00:27:48,930themselves and they could usethey could deploy those reserves45900:27:48,930 --> 00:27:52,020and actually get, you know, geta return right, which46000:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,030Adam Curry: turned into theovernight rate, which is one of46100:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,150the biggest problems that wehave now is Wilton banks are46200:27:57,150 --> 00:27:59,700sending a trillion dollarsovernight back to the Federal46300:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,080Reserve. Well, the46400:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,860Dave Jones: monetary Control Actof 1980 stopped that it46500:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,130basically just said, allfinancial institutions in the46600:28:08,130 --> 00:28:10,800United States are required to bemembers of the Federal Reserve46700:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,230System. Done46800:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,459Adam Curry: and and did you knowthat since COVID, the banks are46900:28:17,459 --> 00:28:22,439not required to have anyreserves. I didn't know that.47000:28:22,439 --> 00:28:26,669Yeah, then they never reversedthat it was during during COVID.47100:28:27,029 --> 00:28:31,139You know, typically you have tohave 10% in reserve. And so they47200:28:31,139 --> 00:28:33,449don't have to do they don't asfar as I know, many banks don't47300:28:33,449 --> 00:28:37,199even have any reserves. And bythe way, nothing says honey, I47400:28:37,199 --> 00:28:40,139don't want to have sex andhaving that 700 page book next47500:28:40,139 --> 00:28:42,779to your bed and reading it atnight. Dave Jones, what do I47600:28:42,779 --> 00:28:44,069need to teach you?47700:28:44,639 --> 00:28:47,129Dave Jones: It's like I mean,it's like a big thing of garlic47800:28:47,399 --> 00:28:49,709sitting on the nightstand.47900:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,170Adam Curry: Speaking of readingin bed, I'd like to bring in our48000:28:55,170 --> 00:28:59,190honorary board member for today.As you can see, he is once again48100:28:59,190 --> 00:29:02,400in his velvet bathroom and hisbathrobe and his fluffy pink48200:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,370slippers ladies and gentlemen,please say hello to the founder48300:29:05,370 --> 00:29:10,470and CEO headworn a bosssomething of one of our first48400:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,340first apps to support value forvalue. That would be breeze.48500:29:14,370 --> 00:29:21,030Hello, His Royal Highness Royscheinfeld Roy Hello Adam. Hello48600:29:21,030 --> 00:29:24,930Dave Booker's off48700:29:25,740 --> 00:29:28,170Unknown: I don't think it's nicethat we need to like be on a48800:29:28,170 --> 00:29:30,480podcast in order to talk butWell,48900:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,880Adam Curry: I mean, it's sofunny because I've been looking49000:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,680at my phone for a couple monthsand I got no I have 00 calls49100:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280missed or anything from you. Youonly tweet me now49200:29:41,309 --> 00:29:45,479Unknown: you know what? I hadthe same experience myself. So49300:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,730Adam Curry: the last time Icalled you like Oh man, I'm49400:29:50,730 --> 00:29:53,100really busy. I don't have timefor you don't remember.49500:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,739Unknown: Don't have time. No.And by the way, I want to say49600:29:58,739 --> 00:30:03,449that I'll continue to listen topodcasts index in 2.5. Index to49700:30:04,170 --> 00:30:06,840Adam Curry: really listen to inin high speed Do You Really?49800:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,610Really? Yeah, yeah.49900:30:09,270 --> 00:30:10,800Dave Jones: You're frying yourbrain, your friend.50000:30:12,929 --> 00:30:15,329Adam Curry: Roy lives alone,everybody just want to make sure50100:30:15,329 --> 00:30:18,209as far as we know, except foryour servants. There's no one50200:30:18,209 --> 00:30:18,899out there.50300:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,270Unknown: Yeah, so50400:30:21,569 --> 00:30:24,809Adam Curry: that's because youlisten to podcasts at 2.5 speed50500:30:24,839 --> 00:30:25,619like no, you can't50600:30:27,030 --> 00:30:31,230Unknown: add them one podcastonly. That's, that's the only50700:30:31,230 --> 00:30:35,160podcast that I listen to in mybathrobe, like we did my50800:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,410slippers on Friday night, butbut I think like I don't think50900:30:40,410 --> 00:30:43,950it's one size fits all. That'swhat I wanted to say. Like, time51000:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940is a very scarce resource. Likethere are other stuff to do I51100:30:47,940 --> 00:30:51,240have a lot of stuff to do withmy time. I'm not sure like it's51200:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,580very effective for me. And bythe way, you mentioned roast51300:30:53,580 --> 00:30:57,330beef. Like the only way I thinkI'm able to listen to roast beef51400:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,350is because I'm listening to toyour podcasts in train your51500:31:01,350 --> 00:31:01,710train51600:31:01,739 --> 00:31:02,129Dave Jones: this is51700:31:04,650 --> 00:31:07,380Adam Curry: it kind of goesagainst everything you know,51800:31:07,380 --> 00:31:10,830from a Bitcoin or with a high orlow time preference, which is51900:31:10,830 --> 00:31:14,640interesting. It's kind of theexact opposite. But we respect52000:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520your choices. So if you want toknow if you want to smoke crack,52100:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,000that's fine.52200:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,409Unknown: I don't think it'sabout that. I think I don't know52300:31:22,409 --> 00:31:25,589Yeah, key few Did you watchthis? There's a Netflix show52400:31:25,589 --> 00:31:30,239called cooked. A Michael Pollan.I think that's the that's the52500:31:30,239 --> 00:31:36,599guy cookies talking about, like,why humans are in in regards to52600:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,379cooking like why humans arebetter than then animals like52700:31:40,379 --> 00:31:44,969more effective is because we eatcooked food. And cooked food52800:31:45,089 --> 00:31:50,249takes less time to digest. So wehave does not have time to do52900:31:50,309 --> 00:31:54,719other stuff and develop as thissociety. So I'm developing Adam,53000:31:54,749 --> 00:31:56,429you're the one in behind?53100:31:56,609 --> 00:31:59,399Adam Curry: Well, then Fairenough. Fair enough. All I would53200:31:59,399 --> 00:32:03,599say is, you know, it isn'tpodcast audio. The idea is you53300:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,809can do other things while you'redoing it. Uh, did you watch that53400:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,529Netflix documentary? Two timesspeed? By the way, did that give53500:32:10,529 --> 00:32:13,799you more time to watch morestuff on Netflix? Do you listen53600:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,489to your music at two timesspeed? Because it sounds so53700:32:17,489 --> 00:32:17,969good.53800:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,260Unknown: Yeah, your point. Iagree.53900:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,050Adam Curry: Because I love you,man. It's only because I love54000:32:25,050 --> 00:32:25,260but54100:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,140Unknown: you know, you heardlactic like, I'm not addicted54200:32:28,140 --> 00:32:31,620user. But I have a lot of like,friends with kids. I don't have54300:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,140any kids. But I have a lot offriends get and all the Tick54400:32:34,140 --> 00:32:38,280Tock music. I can double thespeed or triple the speed. And I54500:32:38,310 --> 00:32:41,700like that. Yeah, that's insane.Yeah. Oh, yeah. abomination.54600:32:41,730 --> 00:32:45,600Adam Curry: Yeah. So Roy, we'realways great to have you on.54700:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,460It's been quite a while. As Isaid, you were one of the one of54800:32:50,460 --> 00:32:55,830the first. Well, I think really,really well, you're a second but54900:32:55,830 --> 00:33:01,110you're really the only my dreamcame true as the only one I'll55000:33:01,110 --> 00:33:03,630just call it a wallet. I knowit's very controversial to call55100:33:03,630 --> 00:33:07,860it that. But a signing app thatdoes Bitcoin and lightning that55200:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,750added podcasting. And, and tothis day, it is still my go to55300:33:12,780 --> 00:33:15,150to test to make sureeverything's working and55400:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,050whatever podcast I released.First thing I do is did the show55500:33:19,050 --> 00:33:22,230up on breeze? And can I send abooster Graham and if those two55600:33:22,230 --> 00:33:25,770things work, then it's solid forme. And that's really how solid55700:33:25,770 --> 00:33:31,920breeze is as an app. And I knowyou've modernized a couple of55800:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,860things. You want to talk aboutthe podcasts and capabilities of55900:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,960breeze and then we'll go intoall the other stuff that you can56000:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,690bring us up to speed on thestate of the industry basically.56100:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,540Unknown: A Yes, sure. So yeah,as you said, like we we try to56200:33:45,540 --> 00:33:51,720create the best podcasting gooduser experience, and we baked it56300:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,940into the app. I know, that's oneof the primary reasons why why56400:33:56,970 --> 00:34:03,570users keep using Brees is firstit seems like very, very odd for56500:34:03,570 --> 00:34:07,140people for Bitcoiners to have apodcast player within their56600:34:07,170 --> 00:34:14,670wallet. But now it's I think wewe normalize that like a we kind56700:34:14,670 --> 00:34:20,070of made it a standard. And I anda lot of people are liking this56800:34:20,070 --> 00:34:23,160experience and the experience isvery solid. We are actually56900:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,540building our podcastingcapabilities on top of a library57000:34:27,540 --> 00:34:32,910called anytime. That's thethat's the podcasting library.57100:34:32,940 --> 00:34:35,940And I liked the user experiencebecause of the user experience.57200:34:35,940 --> 00:34:41,640As a user I'm using breeze andnot because I help build breeze57300:34:41,670 --> 00:34:44,640but because I like it as aninterface. The interface is very57400:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,140clean. You don't have all thesocial network network stuff57500:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,010that you have in other podcastsplayers like a fountain for57600:34:53,010 --> 00:34:57,810example, I understand why Oscarand why other other other57700:34:57,810 --> 00:35:02,100developers are adding the Itdoes capabilities. But I like57800:35:02,130 --> 00:35:07,110like the sustained experience ofthe just listen to a podcast57900:35:07,170 --> 00:35:11,670Adam Curry: is a double screen.I don't want to be consumed by58000:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,020interaction with humans58100:35:13,950 --> 00:35:16,830Unknown: 2.5 Speed points.58200:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,660Adam Curry: And have youconsidered adding some of the58300:35:21,780 --> 00:35:23,520live the lit capabilities?58400:35:24,420 --> 00:35:27,870Unknown: Yeah, so Sostrategically what we want to do58500:35:27,930 --> 00:35:32,910a, what what we've done withBreeze kind of the Swiss knife58600:35:32,940 --> 00:35:38,190are a model of, of addingmultiple experience into a58700:35:38,190 --> 00:35:42,510single app, we also have a pointof sale interface within breeze.58800:35:43,140 --> 00:35:47,970That doesn't scale. So in orderfor us to expand and to add more58900:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,240podcasting capabilities, I thinkwhat we need to do, we need to59000:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,650spin off the podcasting featureof breeze into a separate app.59100:35:56,310 --> 00:36:01,320That's why we went through theroll the route of developing a59200:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,800breeze SDK, we can talk aboutthe prison SDK, but the SDK is59300:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,880the infrastructure that willallow us to have multiple59400:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,110applications that use the sameuser node, use the same user of59500:36:13,110 --> 00:36:17,190balance. And that architecturewill allow us to have multiple59600:36:17,190 --> 00:36:22,170apps, one of the apps, we want adedicated podcast app. And once59700:36:22,170 --> 00:36:25,200we have that there is no limitto the features that we can.59800:36:25,290 --> 00:36:25,650Okay.59900:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,400Adam Curry: I understand whatyou just said. So I can have my60000:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,340breeze wallet and just use itfor all the breeze stuff that I60100:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,910do. Which Believe me, this ishow I buy my beef with breeze.60200:36:35,940 --> 00:36:39,210You know, all of this stuff Ido. I love I love the experience60300:36:39,210 --> 00:36:44,670of the breeze wallet for Bitcoinand for lightning. Or they use60400:36:44,670 --> 00:36:46,470it for lightning exclusivelypretty much. So what you're60500:36:46,470 --> 00:36:50,460saying is I can use with the SDKwhen this is you're gonna60600:36:50,460 --> 00:36:55,440explain this to us. I can have abreeze dedicated podcast app,60700:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,540but it will take from the samebalance. Is that what I heard60800:36:57,540 --> 00:36:57,930you say?60900:36:58,590 --> 00:37:01,110Unknown: Exactly? That's exactlyright. I have one of the61000:37:01,110 --> 00:37:05,880features that the lightning andBitcoin in general doesn't have61100:37:05,940 --> 00:37:11,190a is missing is lacking whencomparing to the Fiat experience61200:37:11,220 --> 00:37:14,640is the fact that multipleapplications can work against61300:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,540the same balance. That's that'sa missing feature. That's a61400:37:18,570 --> 00:37:23,670that's a big UX drove back whenyou compare the lightning61500:37:23,670 --> 00:37:27,360applications out there to fiatsolution with Fiat you use your61600:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,450credit card, you put your creditcard, in an Uber app, you put61700:37:30,450 --> 00:37:33,090your credit card in Spotify, putyour credit card weather,61800:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,380wherever and then and then allthe these applications are61900:37:37,380 --> 00:37:41,520working against the same accountthe same balance, we need a62000:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,160similar experience in thelightning space, but we needed62100:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,690to do that in a noncustodialfashion. Yes, that's why that's62200:37:48,690 --> 00:37:52,830why we've developed the proofSDK. And we can62300:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,280Adam Curry: Okay, so it's timeto bring up this conversation62400:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,990again. And it's actually verytimely as we now you know,62500:38:00,990 --> 00:38:03,570things have changed in the inthe last two years I would say62600:38:03,570 --> 00:38:06,420Elon pay was pretty much theexclusive provider that a lot of62700:38:06,420 --> 00:38:12,150people were using tying theirapps into we had voltage has has62800:38:12,180 --> 00:38:15,210done a little bit but reallythey're like you know get a node62900:38:15,210 --> 00:38:18,990that's way too expensivepodcasters don't like that like63000:38:18,990 --> 00:38:23,700ham radio operators that cheap.Then we have although they also63100:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,580have new stuff they're workingon for liquidity not quite the63200:38:26,580 --> 00:38:33,090same, then get Alby came alongand get Alby really showed63300:38:33,090 --> 00:38:36,060everybody hey, here's how youhave a wallet. And here's how it63400:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,490went. And you can connect thisto stuff. And I think that was63500:38:38,490 --> 00:38:43,200very helpful in explaining andshowing people the concept of63600:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,720having a central wallet that youcan use from multiple different63700:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,580applications. The problem is,and we've seen this with, with63800:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,340almost every system, certainlycentralized systems, if63900:38:56,340 --> 00:39:01,500something goes wrong,everybody's fucked. Or if God64000:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,920forbid, you know, the GermanLuftwaffe comes in and says, you64100:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,740know, we're shutting you downnow because whatever, it's not,64200:39:08,130 --> 00:39:12,120the German rules have changed,or the EU rules have changed.64300:39:12,270 --> 00:39:17,910And, and it always makes meshiver as I look at all the64400:39:17,910 --> 00:39:22,320success of what's building outand people. And I remember, we64500:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,740just started this, there was abig pushback against even ln64600:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,290pay, you know, the Bitcoin waslike, This is not what we're64700:39:28,290 --> 00:39:30,960supposed to do. And it wassupposed to be decentralized,64800:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,810you're ruining the wholeconcept. And so here we are in64900:39:33,810 --> 00:39:37,410this kind of precarioussituation. So the custodial65000:39:37,410 --> 00:39:40,860noncustodial is worth, if youdon't mind re explaining and65100:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,910what, what the SDK is going tohow that's going to change this?65200:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,740Unknown: Yes, yes, definitely.So So there are a few pillars to65300:39:49,740 --> 00:39:54,120this non custodial, custodialdiscussion. One is, as you said65400:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,290about we don't want acentralized solution because a65500:39:58,290 --> 00:40:04,020centralized solution leads toDue to due to problems in terms65600:40:04,260 --> 00:40:07,890like blue wallet from the lastcouple of days is a great65700:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,370example blue wallet, justdecided to shut down their65800:40:11,370 --> 00:40:12,690service and all the blue65900:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,090Adam Curry: wallet you Oh, Ididn't even hear about this blue66000:40:15,090 --> 00:40:16,140wallet shut down.66100:40:17,070 --> 00:40:20,010Unknown: They should they'reshutting down there. They have66200:40:20,070 --> 00:40:24,480an Elon hub architecture, rightwhere you can you can configure66300:40:24,540 --> 00:40:29,520a specific program specificsoftware to run on the server66400:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,750and that, that that softwarekind of acts like the custodial66500:40:33,750 --> 00:40:38,490node of the Blue World users. Soby default, they offer their66600:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,270Elon hub instance, and they'reshutting down the default66700:40:42,270 --> 00:40:43,290instance, basically,66800:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,790Adam Curry: do you know whythey're shutting that down? I66900:40:47,790 --> 00:40:48,120don't know.67000:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,620Unknown: I can, I can? Justyeah, sure. I guess, I think, I67100:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,650think first they're there as ateam, they're focused on on67200:40:55,650 --> 00:41:02,130chain capabilities. But I thinkI think everyone that provides a67300:41:02,130 --> 00:41:06,960custodial service right now isflying under the radar. Right?67400:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,990And that is limiting in a lot ofin that in a lot of ways. If you67500:41:12,990 --> 00:41:16,230want to be acquired, forexample, what do you do with the67600:41:16,230 --> 00:41:20,670custodial service, if you don'thave the proper papers in place,67700:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,680you don't comply to the to the,to the FinCEN, regulation or67800:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,230whatever, you're in trouble,basically. So you need to get67900:41:28,230 --> 00:41:33,000through it with get rid of thecustodial part of your business.68000:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,690So I don't know if the world'sgonna be acquired or not, but I68100:41:36,690 --> 00:41:42,750wouldn't be surprised if that'sgoing to be the case. everyone68200:41:42,750 --> 00:41:46,320that is providing that iscurrently providing a custodial68300:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640solution is flying under theradar. You can do that on the68400:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,050like if you are doing thatproperly, meaning complying to68500:41:55,050 --> 00:41:58,710the to the regulation and that'swhat for example, fountain68600:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,910switch their custodial solutionto a regulated custodial68700:42:02,910 --> 00:42:06,930solutions. It has right Zebedee,right, Zebedee. Exactly. And68800:42:06,930 --> 00:42:10,380that has other drawbacks,because then all of a sudden,68900:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,190you need to do KYC, and only todo it to comply with AML69000:42:14,220 --> 00:42:20,580regulation. And that that'sthat's crap as well. So for me,69100:42:20,850 --> 00:42:25,410I think noncustodial that's thelong term game and a lot of69200:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,590noncustodial will prevail, notjust because it's like69300:42:28,620 --> 00:42:33,540decentralized. I'm not aBitcoin, religious guy that says69400:42:33,540 --> 00:42:36,240like, it's only decentralizednow It's decentralized. Because69500:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,080this isn't realization meanssomething it provides value to69600:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,900users, and in freedom of fuseris translated to user69700:42:45,900 --> 00:42:51,120experience, not having to haveto comply to KYC and AML. Ease69800:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,260the user experience value, theirability to expand globally easy69900:42:55,260 --> 00:43:00,510user experience value. So Ithink we need to push on to a70000:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,630noncustodial future future. Andthat's what we've been doing70100:43:03,660 --> 00:43:05,130Doris, since the get go.70200:43:06,510 --> 00:43:10,680Adam Curry: Can for me, it's,it's, it's really more than a70300:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,600decentralized part. I mean, I'vealready had, ah, like, on the,70400:43:16,110 --> 00:43:20,100you know, without a doubtfountain right now is, is at the70500:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,430top of the list of peoplejumping in to listen to podcasts70600:43:23,430 --> 00:43:26,370and use value for value forbooster grams and streaming70700:43:26,370 --> 00:43:32,760payments. And so I do one showwith my wife every 14 days, on70800:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,580the very day that we record iswhen people start to send us70900:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,890booster grams, because I want tobe mentioned in the show.71000:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,930Fountain has an issue. So allthese people were sending stuff,71100:43:42,930 --> 00:43:46,710it's going into the voids goingnowhere going into the void. And71200:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,860because that's the centralizedsolution that you get the most71300:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,730people that are on thatparticular system. They all got71400:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,180hurt at once. And that's theproblem I have with this besides71500:43:57,180 --> 00:43:58,560all the regulatory stuff and71600:44:00,030 --> 00:44:03,960Unknown: and it's moneyrobustness, your robustness is71700:44:03,990 --> 00:44:07,680another value proposition, clearvalue proposition over71800:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,880decentralized solution.71900:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,910Adam Curry: So how is breezegoing to solve all this?72000:44:13,350 --> 00:44:16,920Unknown: Well, again, it's notjust about breeze, a breeze is a72100:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,430means to an end. And the end isto have a decentralized peer to72200:44:20,430 --> 00:44:24,870peer money. And in the world,what we're the way that we're72300:44:24,870 --> 00:44:29,550trying to move the needle is byfor the first time working on a72400:44:29,550 --> 00:44:34,710noncustodial SDK, providingdevelopers and vendors and72500:44:34,710 --> 00:44:37,890companies the ability tointegrate lightning payments72600:44:37,890 --> 00:44:42,870into their applications. Butdoing that a while maintaining72700:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,640the noncustodial architecture.So that's what we've been72800:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,190working on for the past 268months.72900:44:50,219 --> 00:44:52,619Adam Curry: So how does it work?How is it possible? How73000:44:52,620 --> 00:44:54,450Unknown: does it work? Yeah, Imean,73100:44:55,650 --> 00:44:57,570Adam Curry: this is trickery.There's got to be something73200:44:57,570 --> 00:44:59,970that's in the cloud, you're notbeing truthful.73300:45:00,510 --> 00:45:02,730Dave Jones: When you saynoncustodial, just for clarity,73400:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,810when you say noncustodial, Imean, you clearly with the SDK,73500:45:06,810 --> 00:45:09,930since it relies on green light,and I'll let you get into that.73600:45:09,930 --> 00:45:13,710But does it relies on blockstreams, infrastructure, it's73700:45:13,710 --> 00:45:19,020custodial in the sense of keys,and fund and fund ownership is73800:45:19,020 --> 00:45:23,940not custodial in the sense of,like, hard wearing the, it's73900:45:23,940 --> 00:45:24,300really74000:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,090Unknown: easy. So Idifferentiate between custodial74100:45:27,930 --> 00:45:31,350cuz being a custodian and beingcentralized, that's not the same74200:45:31,350 --> 00:45:35,580thing. So because custody, whenI refer to custody, I only mean,74300:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,870in terms of the keys, like theability of someone else to use74400:45:39,870 --> 00:45:44,130your funds. That's for me, whenI say non custodial, I mean, no74500:45:44,130 --> 00:45:49,770one can move your funds withoutyour permission in your fund.74600:45:50,130 --> 00:45:53,430Dave Jones: To, to clarify thata little bit. I think that's74700:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,210important. Maybe people whoaren't as knowledgeable about74800:45:57,210 --> 00:46:00,690Bitcoin might not understandthat if you, if you have control74900:46:00,690 --> 00:46:05,760of your own keys, then even ifthe infrastructure underlying75000:46:05,790 --> 00:46:10,530your wallet goes away, you cango and spin up a wallet in a75100:46:10,530 --> 00:46:14,730different location. reapply yourkeys and your funds are still75200:46:14,730 --> 00:46:18,150there like you, you don't youryour funds live on the chain,75300:46:18,150 --> 00:46:23,130they don't live in the wallet.So the the, the risk of losing75400:46:23,130 --> 00:46:27,840infrastructure is not is is notreally much of a risk other than75500:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,320just functionality, you know,you may lose the function that75600:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,870you're used to. But you don'tlose any you don't lose any75700:46:33,870 --> 00:46:35,310money. You don't lose any funds.75800:46:36,060 --> 00:46:45,360Unknown: You're right. But butbut we also aspire to be a try75900:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,980to to minimize the trust inembrace and to make a breeze76000:46:50,010 --> 00:46:55,950also, a more decentralized, notjust noncustodial, but more76100:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,250decentralized. Let's let's talkabout like Adam asked about the76200:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,830architecture, let's talk aboutthe architecture. And then I'll76300:47:01,830 --> 00:47:05,970explain how we decentralizingthe, the components of the76400:47:05,970 --> 00:47:09,750process decay? How do we do anopen LSP platform? And how are76500:47:09,750 --> 00:47:13,770we going to add the SDK on topof we're in like, so you you're76600:47:13,770 --> 00:47:18,750not vendor locked into intoBlockstream? Yeah. So the way76700:47:18,750 --> 00:47:24,330the SDK works, right now inbreeze, we you run, we run and76800:47:24,330 --> 00:47:27,960the user runs a fully featuredlightning node inside the mobile76900:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,800device. A, what we're, we'vedone with the, with the LSP with77000:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,680the SDK is is to, to be able torun the node on the cloud77100:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800environment. You're right. Andand that's the secret sauce.77200:47:43,830 --> 00:47:50,970Yeah, the node is is now in ahybrid model, where the data of77300:47:50,970 --> 00:47:59,250the node resides on the cloud.And the keys are, are still in77400:47:59,250 --> 00:48:05,670the mobile device. So the userholds the key data, the data77500:48:05,670 --> 00:48:10,410that can sign the transaction,and the node has all the channel77600:48:10,410 --> 00:48:14,790states and all the informationthat is needed in order to route77700:48:14,790 --> 00:48:20,640payments. That's like thedecoupling of the signer from77800:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,690the note77900:48:21,780 --> 00:48:24,450Adam Curry: write it. But that'sonly for that. So you really78000:48:24,450 --> 00:48:27,540only need the key pair whenyou're sending something78100:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,270receiving is just open all thetime, I expect, like you78200:48:30,270 --> 00:48:31,950wouldn't reject a payment.Right?78300:48:32,339 --> 00:48:36,209Unknown: It will, so that hedoesn't solve and yeah, I heard78400:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,079you in the previous show stocktalk about it. The fact that78500:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,349we've we're are moving to greenlight, and we're adding green78600:48:43,349 --> 00:48:46,949light as a solution in breezedoesn't solve the offline78700:48:47,069 --> 00:48:51,839problem of needing to sign thetransaction while you're78800:48:52,139 --> 00:48:56,789offline. That doesn't solve thata note on the mobile node on78900:48:56,789 --> 00:48:59,189green light, it has the sameissue in that regard.79000:49:00,180 --> 00:49:04,260Adam Curry: So what is thatMoline? Yeah. Okay,79100:49:04,410 --> 00:49:07,770Unknown: so yeah, let's get tothat in a second. Let me just79200:49:07,770 --> 00:49:10,110completed the architecture tour.And then we'll79300:49:10,589 --> 00:49:13,799Adam Curry: drill on your lefthere, you see the node channels79400:49:13,799 --> 00:49:15,869on your right, you see yourmobile app, okay.79500:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,710Unknown: Yes, yeah, because thepresence of K isn't just an end79600:49:19,710 --> 00:49:24,390user node, it's the entire endto end stack of being able to79700:49:24,570 --> 00:49:29,640send and receive payments. Soyou need an end user node, but79800:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,000you also need an LSP thatprovides the liquidity to the79900:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,650end user node. And you you needalso swap services that that80000:49:37,650 --> 00:49:41,940provides the on chaininteroperability. So the bridge80100:49:41,940 --> 00:49:47,520is the case really an end to endsolution that, that have all the80200:49:47,670 --> 00:49:52,110pieces of the puzzle in order toallow a developer just to call80300:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,740one API to send the payment andone API to receive a payment,80400:49:55,830 --> 00:49:59,760right. We put all the serviceswithin the process Okay, so80500:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,590that's The breezes decay in anutshell. And to answer your80600:50:04,590 --> 00:50:09,330your your question, Dave, oryour remark about being80700:50:09,330 --> 00:50:12,990decentralized, we don't wantonly to support Well, Bruce is80800:50:12,990 --> 00:50:17,250vendor agnostic, we use the besttool for the job LDK, we all80900:50:17,250 --> 00:50:20,820will also support the cloudarchitecture. And we're gonna81000:50:20,820 --> 00:50:25,590head LDK to our SDK. Sodevelopers will be able to81100:50:25,590 --> 00:50:29,970choose a block stream or SDK oreven host, a green light, by the81200:50:29,970 --> 00:50:32,160way, green light is going to beopen source, they will be able81300:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,170to offload the green light datainto their own environment and81400:50:37,170 --> 00:50:40,350use their own green lightenvironment. And they will be81500:50:40,350 --> 00:50:47,130able to do so. So with the withthe SDK as well. And a on the81600:50:47,130 --> 00:50:52,590LSP side, it's a open LSParchitecture where you can plug81700:50:52,590 --> 00:50:56,340in your own LSP, you don't haveto rely on Brees as the81800:50:56,340 --> 00:51:02,400liquidity provider. So okay, soyeah, the offline, I hear the81900:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,960offline problem is botheringyou.82000:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,119Adam Curry: Of course it is, ofcourse, I mean, you'd give me82100:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,419this great, you know, thatmaybe, maybe you're hearing me82200:51:09,419 --> 00:51:16,559in normal pacing, so you're notquite used to be talking much82300:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,069faster.82400:51:17,910 --> 00:51:18,960Dave Jones: Say it really quick.82500:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,370Adam Curry: So what it soundslike to me is it won't work out82600:51:23,370 --> 00:51:26,400of the box for Kison withpodcasting payments.82700:51:27,180 --> 00:51:31,830Unknown: You're right in now,right now. But we are working.82800:51:31,830 --> 00:51:35,160And that's very high on ourpriority list. There are two82900:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,140things that we can do. One thingthat we are already doing, and83000:51:40,170 --> 00:51:46,110that that's going to be releasedvery soon, hopefully. Yeah, I83100:51:46,110 --> 00:51:49,320don't want to my my, myfounders, my co founders will be83200:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,560angry at me. So I'm not going tosay, because they're the one I'm83300:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,900going to work Kingaroy. Exactly.I'm just talking on podcast, but83400:51:57,900 --> 00:52:05,490there. But soon soon, it's likeit's very, very high on our83500:52:05,490 --> 00:52:09,060priority list. They're alreadystarted working on it. We're83600:52:09,060 --> 00:52:16,170going to we're going to providea web hook in the SDK that will83700:52:16,170 --> 00:52:24,000allow the, the LSP and the usernode to wake up the clients. If83800:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,680they if the if the if the clientis offline. And the client is on83900:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,650mobile, by the way, the SDKisn't limited to mobile, like if84000:52:34,650 --> 00:52:37,230you run the SDK in a serverenvironment, you don't have an84100:52:37,230 --> 00:52:42,450issue, right? Because the SDKcan be notified. Right that84200:52:42,450 --> 00:52:46,110okay, can can wake up and signthe transaction. So the only84300:52:46,110 --> 00:52:50,580issue? I'm sorry, keep going.No, good. No,84400:52:50,610 --> 00:52:52,920Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn'tThe only issue go ahead.84500:52:53,219 --> 00:52:56,819Unknown: The only issue where wehave a problems with offline84600:52:56,819 --> 00:53:01,619signing is if you run a mobileapplication, you need to make84700:53:01,619 --> 00:53:06,719sure the application gets enoughCPU in order to sign the84800:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,009transaction. And this isfeasible, very feasible to solve84900:53:11,549 --> 00:53:14,579in the green light architecture,because in the green light85000:53:14,579 --> 00:53:20,729architecture, unlike the unlikethe l&t architecture, in Elland85100:53:20,759 --> 00:53:24,929in l&d, you need to start thenode in order to, to be able to85200:53:24,929 --> 00:53:29,489sign and that takes a lot oftime, in relatively a lot of85300:53:29,489 --> 00:53:33,389time, like five to 10 seconds.That's not enough time in order85400:53:33,389 --> 00:53:39,239to respond to a mobilenotification in iOS and Android.85500:53:39,389 --> 00:53:44,009But in green light, there is nothere is no node, you don't need85600:53:44,009 --> 00:53:48,989to run a node, you just need tosign a state. Okay, so it can85700:53:49,169 --> 00:53:52,529can be done very quickly. Andwe're going to implement that.85800:53:53,069 --> 00:53:58,709So you won't be won't have theoffline problem in the in our85900:53:58,739 --> 00:54:03,809SDK. That's that's the that'sthe like the hack. I call it the86000:54:03,809 --> 00:54:07,229hack, because we're leveragingthe capabilities of mobile86100:54:07,229 --> 00:54:09,539notification in order to writetransaction.86200:54:10,890 --> 00:54:14,160Adam Curry: So let me just breakthis out. So if someone creates86300:54:14,190 --> 00:54:19,260a service, or let's say, aservice for podcasters, who want86400:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,500to receive value for valuestreaming payments and booster86500:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,690grams, that would all be serverbased stuff anyway. You know,86600:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,560presumably, presumably a webpageyou're not necessarily something86700:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,380on your mobile it wouldn'tnecessarily be an app so no86800:54:34,380 --> 00:54:38,100problem to spin up receivingwallets for podcasters very86900:54:38,100 --> 00:54:44,880quickly for it sounds like forpodcast listeners who are87000:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,790sending payments there's noproblem out of the box either87100:54:47,850 --> 00:54:48,450because you know87200:54:48,449 --> 00:54:51,149Unknown: your ending note saidokay, just got it, got it, got87300:54:51,149 --> 00:54:51,479it got it.87400:54:52,110 --> 00:54:54,180Adam Curry: Interesting. So,87500:54:54,449 --> 00:54:58,289Unknown: but receiving that willtake care of receiving as well.87600:54:58,979 --> 00:55:05,489And that there is another longterm task that requires protocol87700:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,599enhancements in order to supportit's called assing. payments in87800:55:09,599 --> 00:55:13,859lightning. There are fewfeatures including Bolt 12,87900:55:13,859 --> 00:55:17,669including blindness path,including on your messages that88000:55:17,669 --> 00:55:20,999are needed to be implemented inorder to implement us the88100:55:20,999 --> 00:55:23,669corniest payments in theinfrastructure in the88200:55:23,669 --> 00:55:26,939infrastructure, currentlylightning you can send only if88300:55:26,939 --> 00:55:30,569the user the pay and the payerare online at the same time88400:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,569asking payment will enablelightning payments where the88500:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,939receiver can be offline.88600:55:39,449 --> 00:55:42,419Dave Jones: Now, how does thathappen? I mean, is there a88700:55:42,419 --> 00:55:44,849watchtower involved availa?What's no88800:55:44,850 --> 00:55:50,970Unknown: the LSP is actuallyinvolved. So this requires88900:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,580another node that holds anotheronline node that holds the89000:55:56,580 --> 00:56:00,180payment, the problem, you canimplement that already right89100:56:00,180 --> 00:56:04,710now, like you, let's say youhave two mobile clients. And89200:56:04,710 --> 00:56:10,830both are using a LSPs. Lightningservice, I'd like to know that89300:56:10,830 --> 00:56:13,440that connects them to thenetwork, you can send a payment89400:56:13,470 --> 00:56:19,620to the to the pay LSP. The payLSP can hold the payment until89500:56:19,620 --> 00:56:25,710the pay is back online. That'seasy to implement. The problem89600:56:25,710 --> 00:56:30,600with that solution? Is thatenlightening. You lock the89700:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,440liquidity along the route. Andthat's a bad solution. Because89800:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,340if you lock the liquidity untilthe day is back online, then you89900:56:38,340 --> 00:56:43,560can't use the liquidity forother payments. So the secret90000:56:43,590 --> 00:56:47,790sauce, like the magic with aassing payment solution is to90100:56:47,790 --> 00:56:54,750hold the payment at the first ofthe initial hope between the the90200:56:54,810 --> 00:56:56,400payer and the LSP of90300:56:57,030 --> 00:56:58,830Adam Curry: that she acing part.Okay,90400:56:58,860 --> 00:57:01,290Unknown: I gotcha. Exactly.Okay, exactly. So90500:57:01,290 --> 00:57:06,450Adam Curry: this brings up twoquestions. One, well, that will90600:57:07,590 --> 00:57:11,280help I'll start backwardspricing. Now the way you will do90700:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,370this will be percentages ofeverything. There's no upfront90800:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,900fee, you just it's it's apercentage of transactions, etc,90900:57:18,900 --> 00:57:21,300whatever, whatever breeze kindof does now, I presume?91000:57:21,510 --> 00:57:24,810Unknown: Yes, exactly why that'sjust about documenting our91100:57:24,810 --> 00:57:28,740current model of leveraginglightning fees. Lightning has an91200:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,910inherent business model bakedinto it. And we're leveraging91300:57:32,910 --> 00:57:35,790the lightning business model. Idon't want to reinvent any91400:57:35,790 --> 00:57:39,810grand, I believe in thelightning routing fees. Yeah,91500:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,170Adam Curry: me too. And I alsobelieve in fees in general. And91600:57:43,170 --> 00:57:46,170that's why I propose hostingcompanies should look into91700:57:46,170 --> 00:57:49,560something like this and spin itup and take a take a percentage91800:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,310instead of a monthly fee. Secondthing I'm very concerned,91900:57:53,820 --> 00:57:58,740personally, about now what'shappening with noster and zaps92000:57:58,740 --> 00:58:04,140and all this crap. And it lookslike lightning is really not92100:58:04,140 --> 00:58:08,100being used much anymore.Everyone's going towards ln URL.92200:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,410De will have to jump in with theseems to be any other way than92300:58:13,410 --> 00:58:15,960we're doing it which of course,we architected because we're92400:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,690genius. It puts so much weighton podcast apps, that is because92500:58:21,690 --> 00:58:25,440going to become veryinefficient. And even the,92600:58:25,740 --> 00:58:29,910although I like what's happeningwith Noster, their zaps. I mean,92700:58:29,910 --> 00:58:33,390it's caused all kinds ofproblems. And I'm not I'm not92800:58:33,390 --> 00:58:37,140sure if this is good, other thangetting people are in the habit92900:58:37,140 --> 00:58:40,950of transacting. I think that'svery good. But I'm worried about93000:58:40,980 --> 00:58:45,960KY sand in general, and howEllen URL, we have a whole group93100:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440called the lnu, we're all mafia,and they come in and they stomp93200:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,220all over you and then they leaveand they do nothing. It just93300:58:53,220 --> 00:58:59,700seems problematic to me. I maybe overreacting a bit. So93400:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,540hysterical.93500:59:01,949 --> 00:59:04,589Unknown: Ellen, your role is aworkaround. And everyone93600:59:04,589 --> 00:59:09,029acknowledge that Ellen URL is aworkaround. It's in place93700:59:09,029 --> 00:59:12,719because it bridges some gapsthat exist currently in the93800:59:12,719 --> 00:59:17,999specification. With Bolt 12 Youdon't need bolt oil in your93900:59:17,999 --> 00:59:25,079rail. Because you can initiate apayment without an invoice94000:59:25,619 --> 00:59:31,019without an invoice. And and andthat leaves us if that exists.94100:59:31,049 --> 00:59:35,759That leaves us with a assingissue that is also on track to94200:59:35,759 --> 00:59:41,219be resolved. When we have askedin payments support, then we can94300:59:41,219 --> 00:59:45,839also support both both welfarein a noncustodial fashion. So So94400:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,519I think again, we're running amarathon year right? And there94500:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,809are some stuff that are notideal right now and centralized94600:59:54,809 --> 00:59:58,949right now. And custodial rightnow. But I see a clear path94700:59:58,949 --> 01:00:03,149where everything is Is convergedinto a noncustodial clean94801:00:03,149 --> 01:00:06,659solution within the protocolitself. So I'm not too worried94901:00:06,659 --> 01:00:10,079about that. That's why I alsobeen always very pragmatic in95001:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,319breathing, supporting theseprotocols that we support and in95101:00:13,319 --> 01:00:16,349your realm, and we supportlightning address, because we95201:00:16,349 --> 01:00:20,639understand that the market needthis feature features. And we95301:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,639don't want to say no, you don'tneed this feature. Yeah, you95401:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,099need the lightning address,because it's easier to send a95501:00:26,099 --> 01:00:29,159payment with a lightningaddress. I just want to have a95601:00:29,159 --> 01:00:33,779lightning address supported in anoncustodial fashion. So that's95701:00:33,779 --> 01:00:37,019what what they saw both95801:00:37,020 --> 01:00:39,330Adam Curry: Well, what you'resaying is Bolt 12, which I'm95901:00:39,330 --> 01:00:43,650told will not not be here untilmy grandchildren are in college.96001:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,670Yeah.96101:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,710Dave Jones: Two years. I mean,like, lnd. To me, lightning labs96201:00:49,710 --> 01:00:50,670and l&d has to hold96301:00:50,670 --> 01:00:54,120Unknown: up. Yes, yeah. Yeah,definitely. And that's the stuff96401:00:54,120 --> 01:00:59,880that concerns me like a I spenta lot of a lot of time96501:00:59,880 --> 01:01:06,660advocating for both wealth and,and I think, but it's like, we96601:01:06,660 --> 01:01:11,460need to get l&d on board. Butl&d will get on board. And by96701:01:11,460 --> 01:01:17,580the way, you talked about nosterthe people that are taking part96801:01:17,580 --> 01:01:20,970in the nostril development, theyunderstand the importance of96901:01:21,150 --> 01:01:24,630both worlds, they do also wantto support both worlds. They97001:01:24,630 --> 01:01:27,600also want to use the breezesdecay and to integrate breathe97101:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,790into nostril clients. So I thinkI'm far more optimistic than97201:01:32,820 --> 01:01:33,840than you, Adam.97301:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,950Adam Curry: I'm not. I'm not.No, I'm okay. Good. I'm glad97401:01:37,950 --> 01:01:39,810you're optimistic. We've onlybeen talking about it for a97501:01:39,810 --> 01:01:46,800year. The nostre thing isfascinating to me. Because it's97601:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,210such a poor, poor experience asany kind of salt. I mean, it I97701:01:51,210 --> 01:01:55,350know that it's not supposed tobe an if social media or you97801:01:55,350 --> 01:01:58,710know, or a competitor toTwitter, I understand as97901:01:58,710 --> 01:02:01,410building blocks. But this is thefirst application which is by98001:02:01,410 --> 01:02:07,380the way, is always a drag on anynew technology like okay, here's98101:02:07,380 --> 01:02:09,990what we're using it for you whenyou say noster now, it's Agen.98201:02:09,990 --> 01:02:14,130It's it's agnostic. It's like,Oh, you mean the decentralized98301:02:14,130 --> 01:02:18,180Twitter. And it's far from adecentralized Twitter. It's not98401:02:18,180 --> 01:02:24,420a great experience. And the onlything it's serving right now is98501:02:24,930 --> 01:02:27,870people are sending each other'szaps, which I think is98601:02:27,870 --> 01:02:32,610fantastic. I mean, that's itreally, there's no content, all98701:02:32,610 --> 01:02:37,020it is, is PV Pura Vida here, Izapped you, I love you back.98801:02:37,020 --> 01:02:41,820That's all that it is. And sothey have to be very careful to98901:02:41,820 --> 01:02:44,460make sure that everyoneunderstands how you because I99001:02:44,460 --> 01:02:49,290really believe there's a futurefor this. But there's so many99101:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,740loose things hanging left andright. And, you know, having99201:02:52,740 --> 01:02:58,230celebrity people like Dorseyendorsing it. And and, you know,99301:02:58,410 --> 01:03:01,500throwing Thank you, thank you,and throwing money out, you99401:03:01,500 --> 01:03:06,450know, SATs to get stuff going.And I really hope that it99501:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,720graduates from where it is rightnow. Because I really see a99601:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,650future for noster as the notesover, you know, relays and99701:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,730things or whatever.99801:03:15,180 --> 01:03:17,790Unknown: Yeah, I think theproblems in noster are99901:03:17,790 --> 01:03:22,920different. We can talk aboutthat, as well. But yes, it's100001:03:22,950 --> 01:03:26,430early tech. And you can tellpeople like Hey, guys, let's100101:03:26,430 --> 01:03:30,090wait till we have a standard forus in payments. And then you100201:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,300will be able to implement yoursteps. They want to they're100301:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,780excited, they want to implementtheir zaps. And then you need to100401:03:36,810 --> 01:03:40,380let them play with zaps, andthey educate the market about100501:03:40,380 --> 01:03:44,130the importance of is appsinstead likes instead of likes,100601:03:44,130 --> 01:03:47,940and that's a good thing. There'sa lot of good, the problems with100701:03:47,940 --> 01:03:51,630noster. I think you're right tosay that noster is more than a100801:03:51,630 --> 01:03:57,120platform than a Twitter arealternative. And what I would100901:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,440like to see is more is like theexpansion of noster into other101001:04:01,860 --> 01:04:04,830other clients and into beingintegrated in other clients.101101:04:04,860 --> 01:04:08,010Like, what's No sir? No, sir.It's like a publish subscribe101201:04:08,010 --> 01:04:12,450model where you can receivemessages that you want to101301:04:12,450 --> 01:04:16,770receive. So I don't, I'm notsure that it can. Basically, in101401:04:16,770 --> 01:04:20,010order to work efficiently, itneeds to have like a fat client,101501:04:20,010 --> 01:04:23,490like a Smart Client. And thenall the work is being done in101601:04:23,490 --> 01:04:28,410the in the clients. And I'm notsure users are used to the101701:04:28,410 --> 01:04:33,330experience of over over in anintelligent client because all101801:04:33,330 --> 01:04:37,110the information all the logic isin the client. It's not in the101901:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,610release. I have a sense I havelike a feeling that realize will102001:04:41,610 --> 01:04:46,260have to evolve and be smarterand even add the GFI altering102101:04:46,260 --> 01:04:52,200the aid, the filtering and AIalgorithms to provide good102201:04:53,699 --> 01:04:56,339Adam Curry: caching. I meanthat's this is all the stuff102301:04:56,339 --> 01:05:00,809that years and years went intoactivity pub and and And even102401:05:00,809 --> 01:05:04,199though I don't, I have notlooked under the hood of what102501:05:04,199 --> 01:05:07,379the relay does, I know what itdoes. It's like holy crap,102601:05:07,379 --> 01:05:10,259there's going to be the, again,the good thing that's come out102701:05:10,259 --> 01:05:13,799of that is, hey, you can pay touse my relay, okay, and now102801:05:13,799 --> 01:05:17,219we're talking, that's great. Butthere's a lot of development102901:05:17,219 --> 01:05:20,189that needs to be done on therelays before it can be really103001:05:20,189 --> 01:05:22,979functionally you kind of have tohave your own relay with your103101:05:22,979 --> 01:05:25,499own group, which, by the way, isMastodon103201:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,210Unknown: mastodon? Yeah, maybe.You mean, like more? Yeah, I103301:05:30,210 --> 01:05:34,260don't know, if sanskars to if itcan scale to like, hundreds of103401:05:34,260 --> 01:05:37,8001000s and user of users andmillions of users, maybe they103501:05:37,800 --> 01:05:44,130will have to be more focused onspecific use cases, specific103601:05:45,060 --> 01:05:46,410discussions in groups103701:05:48,540 --> 01:05:51,390Dave Jones: using URL and URLthat's called a DDoS. Attack. I103801:05:51,390 --> 01:05:54,480mean, that's, that's probablygoing to be like, that's, that's103901:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,440the concern I have is, you know,in some ways, that noster as a104001:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,610replacement for Twitter wasprobably the worst. It's104101:06:02,610 --> 01:06:05,940probably the worst use case.Like, it would have almost been104201:06:05,940 --> 01:06:09,570better if they had gone somedifferent route and just didn't104301:06:09,570 --> 01:06:14,250even like pure Pub Sub,subscribe, you know, mechanism,104401:06:14,460 --> 01:06:17,670instead of trying to recreateTwitter on nostril because you104501:06:17,670 --> 01:06:20,880get in there. I installed theclient for the first time this104601:06:20,910 --> 01:06:23,910past week, just so I could speakand you know, understand what we104701:06:23,910 --> 01:06:24,030do.104801:06:24,390 --> 01:06:27,960Unknown: You have like 100 and100. Clients like yeah, day by104901:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,350day means damos demo day withyou every day. You're lucky.105001:06:31,410 --> 01:06:34,800That's the bit. Yeah, well, I'veinstalled the Android and iOS105101:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,990users. So I don't have thefortune of105201:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,950Adam Curry: Me neither, Roy Meneither, I'm jank shit. I got,105301:06:41,250 --> 01:06:45,840I'm using Amethyst is amethyst,I don't like Amethyst, and Iris105401:06:45,870 --> 01:06:47,460Iris actually works a littlebetter than105501:06:47,490 --> 01:06:51,270Unknown: Iris amethyst, thissnore, like I use all of them.105601:06:52,710 --> 01:06:55,260Dave Jones: That is on debt. Butthat experience has gotten105701:06:55,260 --> 01:06:58,680Unknown: better, let's say let'ssay a Yeah, it's early, early,105801:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,580early, early Tech, I am comingfrom an enterprise software105901:07:02,580 --> 01:07:07,050lacking enterprise software, youwould never release something106001:07:07,050 --> 01:07:15,120like faster. Never. So, so it'searly, early, early tech, but I106101:07:15,120 --> 01:07:21,420see an impact. Like, as a user,I see a relays are more stable,106201:07:21,450 --> 01:07:24,720more robust, more serious, likeI see the improvement in the US106301:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,830as well. Now.106401:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,460Dave Jones: I'm just I'm afraidwhen the when the when the I'm106501:07:29,460 --> 01:07:32,940just afraid when the when thekid point when the child porn106601:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,880stuff shows up, and there'sgonna be no way to handle it.106701:07:35,940 --> 01:07:38,790And it's just gonna, the wholething's gonna melt down because106801:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,400it's, it's a ball. It's a it's aYeah, it can blow this thing can106901:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,130blow up in 1000 different ways.And I'm not sure if people are107001:07:47,130 --> 01:07:51,870prepared for the, for the blowup. Well, so that's what was107101:07:51,870 --> 01:07:52,140wrong107201:07:52,140 --> 01:07:57,900Unknown: with the blow ups. It'sgood, it will progress. Like it.107301:08:00,870 --> 01:08:06,270I think like I like the techexperiment, and I think that107401:08:06,270 --> 01:08:10,500will only result in likeevolution and improvement. It's107501:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,320not Bitcoin, like, I don't thinkwe need to apply the Bitcoin107601:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,980mindset of everything needs tobe like, very, very robust and107701:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,100stable in order to it's abuilding block the, it's the107801:08:23,100 --> 01:08:26,460most basic building block, Ithink, in Noster, there's room107901:08:26,460 --> 01:08:31,050to make mistakes, and we shouldexpect that things will blow up108001:08:31,050 --> 01:08:34,650and they will, and it's good.It's going to be for the good.108101:08:35,190 --> 01:08:41,100Adam Curry: The the the I justlook at trends. That's kind of108201:08:41,100 --> 01:08:47,160what I do. And I see the youknow, it's censorship resistant.108301:08:47,220 --> 01:08:52,830Oh, my God. Okay, no, there's noreal it's just a little bit too108401:08:52,830 --> 01:08:55,080much of that marketing. Yeah,let's108501:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,910Unknown: talk about that.Because I think that's the key,108601:08:56,910 --> 01:09:00,840like, censorship resistance inmy ass, because at the end of108701:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,190the day, it's an iOS app, andit's in a Google Play app. And108801:09:05,220 --> 01:09:09,450everything is being controlledby Google and Apple by the end108901:09:09,450 --> 01:09:11,370of the day. So109001:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,070Dave Jones: that's what I see asthe most likely outcome to this109101:09:14,070 --> 01:09:17,430honestly, Roy is that we haveseen this already. I mean, look109201:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,210at truth, social. Look at thesewebsites, look at these social109301:09:21,210 --> 01:09:25,470networks that got pulled frontand gab and they get pulled from109401:09:25,470 --> 01:09:30,630the app stores because theydidn't meet the the moderation109501:09:30,630 --> 01:09:33,270requirement. You're required. Ifyou run a social network and put109601:09:33,270 --> 01:09:36,540that you put your social networkapp in the app stores. You're109701:09:36,540 --> 01:09:41,250required by Google and Apple tohave a social use a to have a109801:09:41,250 --> 01:09:44,790moderation functionality. Youdon't have109901:09:46,379 --> 01:09:50,039Unknown: to I think I think theymost did add the demo demos,110001:09:50,039 --> 01:09:55,319demos, demos, I don't know howto pronounce that. But I think110101:09:55,319 --> 01:10:00,359they added some features to beable to comply with this A110201:10:00,419 --> 01:10:04,409regulation they do have a way tomarket sensitive content, they110301:10:04,409 --> 01:10:08,309do have a way to filter stuff atthe client that the client can110401:10:08,309 --> 01:10:11,729say I don't want to seesensitive content. So I think110501:10:11,729 --> 01:10:15,959they, they've made some work.I'm not familiar with all the110601:10:15,959 --> 01:10:20,369nips, but they added some nipsin the to bed to the to deal110701:10:20,369 --> 01:10:26,099with this requirements. But ifApple won't like the most, then110801:10:26,309 --> 01:10:28,199they must want the client110901:10:28,230 --> 01:10:29,910Adam Curry: right. By the way,111001:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,660Unknown: I serve today iscensorship resistant in my ass.111101:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,370Adam Curry: I love that greatice. Alright.111201:10:37,740 --> 01:10:39,510Dave Jones: What is this ISObutton this111301:10:40,170 --> 01:10:42,180Adam Curry: will they'reliterally transcribing the111401:10:42,180 --> 01:10:47,010podcast in real time. You dodollar sign ISO and then you111501:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,920type in the words you wantisolated, and it spits back an111601:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,730mp3.111701:10:51,270 --> 01:10:53,670Dave Jones: This is voodoobecause I saw somebody do this a111801:10:53,670 --> 01:10:58,140while ago, and they misspelledthe the they misspelled the111901:10:58,140 --> 01:10:59,640transcript. And it still shows.112001:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,370Adam Curry: Yeah, Roy, you'renot in the chat room probably.112101:11:02,370 --> 01:11:06,450But it's crazy. What's going onhere. They literally have a bot112201:11:06,450 --> 01:11:10,860where you said I typed in dollarsign ISO censorship resistant my112301:11:10,860 --> 01:11:14,490ass and it sent back that thatmp3 in the chat room on with a112401:11:14,490 --> 01:11:18,000link that yeah, this is magic.It is yeah.112501:11:19,140 --> 01:11:22,530Dave Jones: I need somebodyneeds to get SAS for this is112601:11:22,530 --> 01:11:28,740what it was this is incredible.Well, I don't I'm just I'm also112701:11:28,740 --> 01:11:32,430a little concerned about the Idon't the bifurcation, that's112801:11:32,430 --> 01:11:37,620where we made this model of, youknow, boosts in payment, you112901:11:37,620 --> 01:11:41,190know, payment methodologies, orlike, spontaneous payments over113001:11:41,190 --> 01:11:44,130lightning and that kind ofthing. And it feels like the nip113101:11:44,130 --> 01:11:48,36057 stuff just sort of went acompletely different direction,113201:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,430because it's Ellen URL.113301:11:50,459 --> 01:11:53,309Adam Curry: What is that in NiP?15? What is that I have no idea113401:11:53,309 --> 01:11:54,389what that is. That's113501:11:54,420 --> 01:11:56,910Dave Jones: zap, that's theprotocol for how to do a zap.113601:11:56,970 --> 01:12:02,250Oh, and it's all based aroundEllen URL, but I feel it feels113701:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,060like Okay, now we have, becauseI think that we like we had113801:12:06,060 --> 01:12:09,930already done this, you know,done the work here to get some113901:12:10,170 --> 01:12:13,290histogram and all this stuff andover over things114001:12:13,320 --> 01:12:21,480Unknown: is apps is that youwant to be able to, to be you114101:12:21,480 --> 01:12:26,850want the knowledge that is appwas executed. A you don't get114201:12:26,850 --> 01:12:32,370that with key sand, you do getthat with the beat, in theory114301:12:32,370 --> 01:12:33,510nipa 57.114401:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,940Dave Jones: So I'm glad youbrought that up, Roy, because114501:12:35,940 --> 01:12:39,870that see, I feel like that couldhave been the solution to that114601:12:39,870 --> 01:12:44,580could have been Alex's just JSONpayment token, which gives you a114701:12:44,580 --> 01:12:49,410payment receipt for for yourkeys. And in in response it114801:12:49,410 --> 01:12:51,540could in that could have beentruly a synchronous, so you114901:12:51,540 --> 01:12:55,200could have you send your keysend and then wait to receive a115001:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,400synchronously wait to receiveyour JpT back with your payment115101:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,910receipt. And like then you getthe best of both worlds, you get115201:13:02,910 --> 01:13:06,030key sin without you know,without URL and URL overhead.115301:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,480And you get the payment receipt.Like I feel like they went off115401:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,320and just sort of did did thisstuff, you know, without115501:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,110consulting, but I meanpodcasting 2.0 I mean, we're,115601:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,740we're slinging SATs around allover the place. And if I felt115701:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,540like was kind of been down with115801:13:22,410 --> 01:13:28,500Unknown: some work being done tothe lightning addresses into the115901:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,150into the podcast in TECHSPEC.Right. So I think everything is116001:13:33,150 --> 01:13:36,420converged the widow lightingaddress and now the lighting116101:13:36,420 --> 01:13:41,640address is can be a key scentinterface. It can be an Ellen116201:13:41,640 --> 01:13:48,480URL interface, and it can bewhen both wealth is is a is116301:13:48,480 --> 01:13:55,530popularized. It can be also bothwealth. So I like I don't think116401:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,770it's an issue because everythingwill get consolidated around116501:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,390lightning address at the end ofthe day.116601:14:00,870 --> 01:14:03,600Dave Jones: How long do youthink it's going to take to get116701:14:03,630 --> 01:14:10,530to for l&d to move on bolt? 12So just two years, I mean, no,116801:14:10,530 --> 01:14:14,610Unknown: no, no, no, there isalready work being done a spiral116901:14:14,610 --> 01:14:23,550actually are funding a sorry,well, either spiral or117001:14:23,550 --> 01:14:29,700chaincode. Someone is fine isfunding Clara, a, a one of the117101:14:29,730 --> 01:14:32,820one of like a developer thatused to work for lightning labs.117201:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,530On l&t Now she's working foreither chain code or spiral I117301:14:37,530 --> 01:14:47,850think spiral. And she's workingon this stuff at the l&d l&d117401:14:47,850 --> 01:14:53,130code base. And I think her workwill be accepted and will be117501:14:53,130 --> 01:14:57,360merged in in there. What I'mtrying to say there is an117601:14:57,360 --> 01:15:02,130external push outside of life.In labs to integrate Bolt 11117701:15:02,160 --> 01:15:08,130Bolt well features into l&d. Ithink I'm not sure it's117801:15:08,130 --> 01:15:13,170mandatory for l&d to support butboth 12 and because I think117901:15:13,170 --> 01:15:17,100there will be other solutions.And if both If l&d wants support118001:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,580both with, I think they will bethe one that are left behind.118101:15:22,050 --> 01:15:24,720Dave Jones: Okay, that's good tohear. I'm glad that there's at118201:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,880least movement on it, because itjust seemed like it was just118301:15:26,910 --> 01:15:28,140ignored for a long time.118401:15:28,949 --> 01:15:33,119Unknown: Yeah, yeah. I again, Idon't want to portray the l&d118501:15:33,119 --> 01:15:36,749guys in the lightning labs guysis the bad guys here. They have118601:15:37,319 --> 01:15:42,539their on their plate. There. 95plus percent of the nodes are118701:15:42,539 --> 01:15:47,519running their software, so I'msure they're busy. There are118801:15:47,519 --> 01:15:52,379some, by the way, it's not justwith l&d. I think the challenge118901:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,459if you're talking about issuesand problems with lightning at119001:15:56,459 --> 01:15:59,939will, and we were doing like aSWOT analysis for lightning, I119101:15:59,939 --> 01:16:08,069think the the fact that everyimplementation push for their119201:16:08,069 --> 01:16:12,899own protocol agenda, that's themain problem of, of lightning119301:16:13,439 --> 01:16:19,319LDK are pushing to their owndirection a lot, l&d are pushing119401:16:19,319 --> 01:16:24,029into their own direction as sinkand, and seelen as well. So119501:16:24,029 --> 01:16:25,079that's the problem.119601:16:25,409 --> 01:16:27,149Dave Jones: We see the samething in podcasting. And every119701:16:27,179 --> 01:16:31,199every podcast app, pushes intheir own direction and does119801:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,859their own thing. And then itreally you end up with most most119901:16:34,859 --> 01:16:36,749of the time, it's, it's abeautiful thing, because120001:16:36,749 --> 01:16:41,399everybody sort of adheres to acommon common base protocol of120101:16:41,399 --> 01:16:43,769sort of a common way of doingthings. And it's, it's great,120201:16:43,769 --> 01:16:47,279but then there's, if you get,there's a level of complexity120301:16:47,279 --> 01:16:51,269that you want to reach to do aspecific thing. And it just kind120401:16:51,269 --> 01:16:53,819of falls down becauseeverybody's going their own way.120501:16:53,819 --> 01:16:57,269So you there's, I guess we'reanytime you get this much level120601:16:57,269 --> 01:16:59,969of decentralization, it's not,you're always going to fight120701:16:59,969 --> 01:17:02,099these battles. And we're goingto have some visually120801:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,710Unknown: around the bruisesstandard standardization. I120901:17:04,710 --> 01:17:08,670don't know how you can do thesometimes discussion discussions121001:17:08,670 --> 01:17:12,750like I always opt out at somepoint like I can, like everyone121101:17:12,750 --> 01:17:17,760has an opinion. And it's very,very, very hard to121201:17:17,820 --> 01:17:19,680Adam Curry: oh, this is exactlythis is exactly what happened121301:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,980with podcasting for 10 years,everyone had an opinion, they121401:17:22,980 --> 01:17:28,950had groups and steeringcommittees and and nonprofits121501:17:28,950 --> 01:17:34,530and industry groups. And now,ultimately, everybody is in it121601:17:34,530 --> 01:17:39,210for their own business. And thatonly works that only works if121701:17:39,210 --> 01:17:42,810everyone's a part of the moneyflow. That I think is not going121801:17:42,810 --> 01:17:46,530to say it until I until I spitmy last breath into the into the121901:17:46,530 --> 01:17:50,340microphone. That is whatpodcasting 2.0 That's why it122001:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,540works because everybody has anopportunity to get into the flow122101:17:54,540 --> 01:17:58,020of the money no matter whatyou're doing. That's the secret.122201:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,360And even the communist don'tknow it.122301:18:01,260 --> 01:18:04,710Unknown: Yes, friend. Yeah. So Ithink part of the problem with122401:18:04,710 --> 01:18:09,690lightning that lightning isstill looking for a go to market122501:18:09,690 --> 01:18:15,630fit. So the money isn't reallythere. So it's the groups like122601:18:15,630 --> 01:18:19,740the various implementation, theycan't really aligned around the122701:18:19,740 --> 01:18:24,510requirements, because everyonehas their own requirements, and122801:18:24,510 --> 01:18:26,850they think they have adifferent, like slightly122901:18:26,850 --> 01:18:31,770different product market fit.And that's a problem.123001:18:32,459 --> 01:18:34,289Adam Curry: Well, I'm not quitesure I understood what you just123101:18:34,289 --> 01:18:34,829said there.123201:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,350Unknown: I mean, lightning isstill looking for, like l&d is123301:18:40,350 --> 01:18:46,560focused on an enterprise Istructure. Yeah. LDK are123401:18:46,560 --> 01:18:52,560focusing on mobile clients, aCLN are focusing on cloud123501:18:52,560 --> 01:18:53,160environment.123601:18:54,060 --> 01:18:56,790Adam Curry: No one's focused onan actual real world123701:18:56,790 --> 01:18:57,630application.123801:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,060Unknown: No, no, it's aninfrastructure. Yes, it's an123901:19:00,060 --> 01:19:03,840infrastructure work. And wedon't really know, we don't see124001:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,460the money yet. Let's be honest.If the money was there, I think124101:19:08,460 --> 01:19:13,200everyone will be able to alignaround like, the priorities and124201:19:13,410 --> 01:19:16,500in the what requirements aremore important than others, but124301:19:16,530 --> 01:19:17,550doesn't happen right now.124401:19:17,580 --> 01:19:20,280Adam Curry: Well, that alldepends on what you what you124501:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,630define the money as being Imean, we we've we've amassed a124601:19:24,630 --> 01:19:29,010full Bitcoin over the course ofthe project so far. We're I124701:19:29,010 --> 01:19:32,160mean, we would starve if that'swhat we had to live on, but124801:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,070we're pretty happy. I mean, it'slike a magic money machine to124901:19:35,070 --> 01:19:35,490me.125001:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,120Dave Jones: But the bolt thatbrings me back, that's what I125101:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,180was talking about Bolt 12 isbecause if you want to look at125201:19:42,180 --> 01:19:46,350anything that's an actual realworld use application, it seems125301:19:46,350 --> 01:19:49,410to me that the only there's twothings that have floated to the125401:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,050top in the lightning world thatare real world use applications.125501:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,410One is remittance paymentsacross borders, international125601:19:55,410 --> 01:19:59,400borders. That's that's a legituse case that's actually125701:19:59,730 --> 01:20:02,580powered. We're in a lot of a lotof financial improvement125801:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,960people's lives. And the otherone is spontaneous payments for125901:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,580created works, whether it'spodcasting 2.0, or whatever or a126001:20:11,580 --> 01:20:15,030zap over Nasr would spawn takeyou have you have remittance126101:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,060payments, which are fine for anactual food, you're fine to do126201:20:18,060 --> 01:20:22,230with invoices, pre generatedinvoices. But then the big, the126301:20:22,230 --> 01:20:26,670big 100 800 pound gorilla foruse case with lightning is126401:20:26,700 --> 01:20:31,470spontaneous payments in responseto immediate demand created126501:20:31,470 --> 01:20:33,000work. And so126601:20:33,030 --> 01:20:34,530Unknown: that again, that means126701:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,090Dave Jones: that the 12 Yeah,126801:20:37,170 --> 01:20:40,320Unknown: you need both. Well,first to let out let's talk126901:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,440about the use cases that youjust presented remittance for127001:20:43,470 --> 01:20:46,830some people in the lightningcommunity remittance mean, you127101:20:46,830 --> 01:20:53,130need to support stable coins.Online. That means Tarot lnd,127201:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,250lightning labs are focused onthorough and thorough means127301:20:56,250 --> 01:20:59,370TabPro channels, temporalchannels require a lot of work.127401:20:59,430 --> 01:21:04,260So challenging? Yeah.127501:21:04,470 --> 01:21:08,610Adam Curry: Well, and with thatcomes a misnomer. And I still127601:21:08,610 --> 01:21:14,160read it. We were reading anarticle today. The the concept127701:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,000of value for value versustipping, I think most127801:21:18,030 --> 01:21:22,110development organizations, seewhat we're doing is Oh, that's127901:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,800tipping. And yeah, if youconsider it to be tipping, then128001:21:25,830 --> 01:21:28,110out the end of the game, you'regonna get a fraction of the tip.128101:21:28,140 --> 01:21:30,360You know, it's like, you're not,you're not going to make a lot.128201:21:30,630 --> 01:21:33,780But as Dave pointed out at theintro, you got to think about128301:21:33,780 --> 01:21:39,390the instant What do you sayDave? About for creative work,128401:21:39,390 --> 01:21:39,900you know,128501:21:40,290 --> 01:21:42,210Dave Jones: taneous, payments,spontaneous payment,128601:21:42,420 --> 01:21:46,980Adam Curry: spontaneous paymentfor creative work. I mean, it's,128701:21:47,010 --> 01:21:51,390it's an industry that ishundreds of billions of dollars,128801:21:51,390 --> 01:21:53,370we just haven't figured out howto capture it yet.128901:21:54,060 --> 01:21:58,680Dave Jones: I mean, people havespent Sol million a million set129001:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,450zap the other day to think thinkto Africa, who was to, and then129101:22:03,480 --> 01:22:07,320I mean, we've gotten the 5million set, Buena Vista Grande,129201:22:07,530 --> 01:22:09,990like these are, these aresignificant amounts of money129301:22:09,990 --> 01:22:12,060that are going throughspontaneous payments. So I think129401:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,870I mean, if they lean into that,I think it would really help129501:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,650people, you know, to know theway forward because everybody129601:22:19,650 --> 01:22:22,170you talked to says, Well, whatkeys and you know, that's hacky?129701:22:22,740 --> 01:22:26,190I would like to use somethingthat's not hacky. That will be129801:22:26,190 --> 01:22:26,610great.129901:22:27,540 --> 01:22:31,650Unknown: Yeah, I agree. I thinkall the all the people in the130001:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,310ecosystem agree around the usecases, it's not just about the130101:22:35,310 --> 01:22:39,990use cases is how to go aboutimplementing these use cases.130201:22:40,140 --> 01:22:44,520Right. Some think it should becompletely decentralized, some130301:22:44,610 --> 01:22:47,760thing that we need to work onbuilding custodial130401:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,440infrastructure, that meansenterprise a solution,130501:22:52,530 --> 01:22:56,190enterprise grade solutions.Again, with a stable coin,130601:22:56,190 --> 01:23:00,060something we need to add, wemust add a stable coin layer in130701:23:00,060 --> 01:23:05,430order to popularize thesolution. So it's not just about130801:23:05,430 --> 01:23:08,250the user. Let's see. Forexample, let's take a concrete130901:23:08,250 --> 01:23:14,760example. A remittance now youcan do, using strike a bit No by131001:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,900pouch like there are the waythat remittance are working on131101:23:18,900 --> 01:23:24,870top of lightning right now isusing custodial applications,131201:23:25,170 --> 01:23:30,450that gives you integration withexisting Fiat systems. That's131301:23:30,450 --> 01:23:33,810the way that you do remittanceon top of lightning right now.131401:23:35,310 --> 01:23:40,620And there are some people in theecosystem that we that think131501:23:40,620 --> 01:23:44,790that we need to keep remittancein Fiat. That's why131601:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,920Adam Curry: That's why right.But they're building a real131701:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,380world solution for their ownbenefit instead of thinking131801:23:52,380 --> 01:24:00,990further down the road. A so thatspecifically strike they use131901:24:00,990 --> 01:24:04,230stable coins, all kinds of stuffto get it into Fiat on the other132001:24:04,230 --> 01:24:08,790end. And so they want they'reforcing a use case, which is not132101:24:08,790 --> 01:24:12,420necessarily the best forlightning long term.132201:24:13,380 --> 01:24:16,170Unknown: That again, like inBitcoin and in lighting in132301:24:16,170 --> 01:24:20,280general, the best for lightningthe best for Bitcoin is132401:24:20,310 --> 01:24:23,520dependent on the community andthe people that are building the132501:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,640solution and there is noconsensus around what's best for132601:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,590lightning. What's best forBitcoin? Well, like it's, by132701:24:31,590 --> 01:24:35,820definition, it's it's inherentlythere's no one answer to that.132801:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,690And since there's, there's no asingle answer to that. There.132901:24:39,690 --> 01:24:44,370You have different peoplepulling in different directions.133001:24:45,420 --> 01:24:49,500Dave Jones: So when when can Ibuild the breeze SDK? Like when133101:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,690is when can I build it?133201:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,490Unknown: Come on, Dave. Just133301:24:54,870 --> 01:24:56,910Dave Jones: but you said yousaid I needed green light133401:24:56,910 --> 01:24:59,610though. You said I needed thegreen light port part. Right.133501:24:59,670 --> 01:25:02,730Unknown: Oh, it oh, sorry,that's my bad, I didn't give you133601:25:02,730 --> 01:25:06,300a green light access. Okay, nowwhat we try to do what we try to133701:25:06,300 --> 01:25:11,640do, we try to upload the crateinto a repo that you won't have133801:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,390to build the bruises decay, Idon't know. So I waited for the133901:25:15,390 --> 01:25:18,750team to get that done in orderto give you like access to the134001:25:18,750 --> 01:25:22,680Create, instead of forcing youto build the SDK. Currently, the134101:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,510early design, we're in the earlyalpha stage, let's just put134201:25:27,510 --> 01:25:32,190that, put that out there. Andwe're working with the selected134301:25:32,190 --> 01:25:37,140design partners that are alreadyworking and building and giving134401:25:37,140 --> 01:25:41,520us feedback on the SDK. But inorder to do that, you need to134501:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,030greenlight access, I wanted tohelp Dave and spearing the need134601:25:45,030 --> 01:25:50,790to build the SDK and upload thecrate to our repo. I need to134701:25:50,790 --> 01:25:52,980check where where we are. We'reclearly134801:25:52,980 --> 01:25:56,910Adam Curry: not a partner Davejust went on. When I did134901:25:56,910 --> 01:26:00,480partner, partner exit, we're notgood partners. Oh, I'm sorry,135001:26:00,660 --> 01:26:08,010partner, my mother and now I'mlike a Jewish woman. Okay. I135101:26:08,010 --> 01:26:10,350want to bring your attention tosomething which I'm very excited135201:26:10,350 --> 01:26:15,090about, which I am sure will beone of the first to integrate135301:26:15,090 --> 01:26:18,840this. And that's the music sideproject music side. project.com.135401:26:18,900 --> 01:26:23,790Yeah. Just so you know that, youknow, we're starting to, we're135501:26:23,790 --> 01:26:29,730using a 2.0 namespace to tagmusic in the in the index. This135601:26:29,730 --> 01:26:32,760is Steven B's project, who doesa curio caster and sovereign135701:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,970feeds. It's it's fantastic.135801:26:36,420 --> 01:26:39,570Unknown: I love the White Lakeare using the same Yes,135901:26:39,570 --> 01:26:40,830unification. Yeah, yeah.136001:26:40,860 --> 01:26:44,730Adam Curry: Yeah. And I thinkwavelike put 100 100 artists136101:26:44,730 --> 01:26:47,130into the index. Dave, whathappened there? Exactly. Yeah,136201:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,900Dave Jones: they're Yeah,they're letting their light in136301:26:48,900 --> 01:26:50,610their whole catalogue up as itcomes in.136401:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,480Adam Curry: It's beautiful.136501:26:51,630 --> 01:26:53,850Unknown: It's beautiful. Youagree, Adam, that in order to136601:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,210support music, we need aseparate dedicated user136701:26:57,210 --> 01:26:58,590experience for music, right?136801:26:58,620 --> 01:26:59,940Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that whatyou're building?136901:27:01,830 --> 01:27:05,280Unknown: Anyone will be able tobuild it using the freezes137001:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,570decay. But that's137101:27:06,570 --> 01:27:08,970Adam Curry: what music sideproject is ready for? I mean,137201:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,950it's, it's a web app right now.But I, I'm I like web apps137301:27:13,950 --> 01:27:18,690personally. I'm okay with that.So use it out of the box without137401:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,400any of the the wakeup stuff.137501:27:21,900 --> 01:27:26,820Unknown: If the integratedbreezes decay into their server,137601:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,170Adam Curry: sure, sure. Sure.137701:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,870Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, that'swhat I that's what I want the137801:27:30,870 --> 01:27:34,590breeze SDK for, I want to, Iwant to have use cases for it on137901:27:34,590 --> 01:27:38,250our, on our node. I mean, we doa lot of stuff. So I want to,138001:27:38,550 --> 01:27:42,210you know, I want to get in thereand start and start using, I've138101:27:42,210 --> 01:27:45,240got, I've got ideas, and it'smine is gonna be totally a138201:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,200server side thing. And, youknow, we don't do apps. So yeah,138301:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,510I mean, I think the server usecase to me is the most138401:27:51,510 --> 01:27:53,970straightforward right out of thebox. You just go you just hit it138501:27:53,970 --> 01:27:56,160and go. Yeah, but that doesn't138601:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,060Unknown: mean that we're inbetween NF T's or something,138701:28:00,060 --> 01:28:00,270right?138801:28:00,510 --> 01:28:03,780Adam Curry: Oh, yes. More.ordinals please, more ordinals138901:28:03,780 --> 01:28:05,790yay. We love ordinals139001:28:06,300 --> 01:28:09,120Dave Jones: Yeah. We want tothank some people.139101:28:10,440 --> 01:28:12,660Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness isat that time already? Yeah, we139201:28:12,660 --> 01:28:16,740Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm going I'm alllightning out here. Yes, of139301:28:16,740 --> 01:28:20,100course we do. Hold on a second.Let me thank some of the people139401:28:20,100 --> 01:28:23,700who have been sending in somebooster grams while we were lips139501:28:23,730 --> 01:28:28,080and a millennial. 5432 don'tknow if you've heard but I so139601:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,610bought us cotton gins baby seemsvalue split worthy to me. I139701:28:32,610 --> 01:28:37,140would love to use the isobar allthe time in every show. I do.139801:28:37,740 --> 01:28:42,900Let me know where I can sign up.I love I love getting access to139901:28:42,900 --> 01:28:45,720services by adding a split inthe value block. It is one of140001:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,670the most exciting things apodcaster could do. A nice140101:28:50,940 --> 01:28:55,080Unknown: problem by the way Ithem. Like I like the amount of140201:28:55,110 --> 01:28:59,550splits that we have in podcastindex is I don't know if it's140301:28:59,610 --> 01:29:00,960good. But140401:29:02,580 --> 01:29:05,250Adam Curry: hold. You can't justlob that out there and just say140501:29:05,250 --> 01:29:07,140I don't know if that's good.What I'm telling me what's140601:29:07,140 --> 01:29:08,190wrong, what's happening.140701:29:09,570 --> 01:29:12,570Unknown: I think it's good forboosts meaning how many splits140801:29:12,570 --> 01:29:15,720you have right now eight or nineor 10 or something on this show140901:29:15,780 --> 01:29:18,840Adam Curry: on this show and theshow. It's alive. No, hold on.141001:29:18,870 --> 01:29:26,280Hold on. Hold on. We have. I'lltell you right now. Value141101:29:26,310 --> 01:29:31,680123456. So we had eight butafter that comment, we have141201:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,170seven. We're taking you out141301:29:37,980 --> 01:29:42,390Unknown: at the edit at the appsplit as well, so141401:29:43,140 --> 01:29:46,290Adam Curry: and podcasts index,so there's 10 Probably 1010141501:29:46,290 --> 01:29:50,250Coming Yes. Now. I'm sure that'snot efficient is what you're141601:29:50,250 --> 01:29:50,940going to say.141701:29:51,390 --> 01:29:55,290Unknown: And it's okay when youdo boost for streaming sets per141801:29:55,290 --> 01:29:56,760minute, I think.141901:29:57,270 --> 01:29:59,640Adam Curry: But you're you'recaching them but you're I mean142001:29:59,640 --> 01:30:00,330everyone I'm142101:30:00,780 --> 01:30:03,750Unknown: smart. That's what IYeah. So you have a way to work142201:30:03,750 --> 01:30:07,590around this stuff by doing likeclient side cache, right? But it142301:30:07,590 --> 01:30:10,830means that you have to havelike, again, back to the Smart142401:30:10,830 --> 01:30:14,130Client problem. You need to havea smarter client to deal with142501:30:14,340 --> 01:30:14,880issues.142601:30:14,940 --> 01:30:20,460Adam Curry: Got it? Yeah, I gotOkay. Well, luckily breezes very142701:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,640smart about that. Right.142801:30:23,700 --> 01:30:27,150Unknown: I like them software. Idon't like soft smart software.142901:30:27,390 --> 01:30:28,260Adam Curry: Okay. Well,143001:30:28,890 --> 01:30:30,270Dave Jones: I believe I believethat too.143101:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,900Adam Curry: I mean, I see theproblems obviously, but but Bolt143201:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,06012 will fix all that. Just tellme that's true.143301:30:36,090 --> 01:30:39,450Dave Jones: Well, smart, smartsoftware. The problem with smart143401:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,940software is it can't ever besmart enough. And so that you're143501:30:44,940 --> 01:30:47,130you always there's always goingto be a hole. Yeah.143601:30:48,210 --> 01:30:52,320Adam Curry: Or, or maybe it'stime to abstract that. Can we143701:30:52,320 --> 01:31:00,960have a boost class? So, so so?Stop, okay. I'm sorry. Come on,143801:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,290man. This was a good idea. Soyou know, the podcast index143901:31:04,290 --> 01:31:07,320boost class would be you me theindex, you know, a couple of144001:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,750things. We stick in there andjust one address and it splits144101:31:09,750 --> 01:31:13,800somewhere else down the line? Isthat crazy? Okay? Stopped144201:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,880blueberry. See? It's not what?144301:31:18,660 --> 01:31:20,850Unknown: It's not crazy. Dave?144401:31:22,590 --> 01:31:29,880Adam Curry: My new friend Roy'sboost class. Okay, I'm just144501:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,540saying the reason I think wemade this up with the remote144601:31:33,540 --> 01:31:38,160item. If I play a song on a newpodcast that I'm going to do,144701:31:38,430 --> 01:31:42,510and I'm playing new music fromfrom the index, and I want to144801:31:42,510 --> 01:31:47,820boost I want to boost thatproduct, which by itself may144901:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,910have eight splits because of youknow, who wrote it, who compose145001:31:50,910 --> 01:31:54,180it, who played the guitar, whosang, etc. That would be a boost145101:31:54,180 --> 01:31:58,350class. So I would send an amountwhich would be a split of my145201:31:58,350 --> 01:32:01,380show to that class, and thatclass would then split it145301:32:01,500 --> 01:32:02,970individually. Yeah,145401:32:03,450 --> 01:32:05,490Unknown: yeah. And technically Idon't want to get too geeky145501:32:05,490 --> 01:32:08,730about it, you can do that maybeyou can do that with bolt 12145601:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,990Because that will allow you bothwill allow you to unlock keys145701:32:12,990 --> 01:32:18,930and there is interaction withthe with the with the pay before145801:32:18,930 --> 01:32:23,340you pay them so they caninitiate a new type of invoice145901:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,860which is kind of similar to holdinvoice where the entity that146001:32:28,860 --> 01:32:33,180will do the splits later on.They can take the funds but they146101:32:33,180 --> 01:32:38,250will be able to create aninvoice you send the funds to to146201:32:38,250 --> 01:32:43,500that to that entity and they cansplit the funds later on. Using146301:32:43,530 --> 01:32:45,360the invoice This146401:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,670Dave Jones: is a Bitcoin bubblestudy that's this is exactly146501:32:47,670 --> 01:32:47,850what146601:32:47,850 --> 01:32:52,050Adam Curry: this is. You're backin the split. Okay. Boober146701:32:52,050 --> 01:32:55,83011,111 Cheers to IRC and thebadass is who make it the146801:32:55,830 --> 01:32:58,770hottest spot with bots on theinternet to hang Is it possible146901:32:58,770 --> 01:33:02,430to boost by IRC? I think it isactually I think there's some147001:33:02,460 --> 01:33:06,630I'm sure something has been doneon IRC one of the oldest chat147101:33:06,630 --> 01:33:12,270mechanisms on the internet stillfantastic today, Lyceum was147201:33:12,270 --> 01:33:16,4101776. Good to hear Roy's futureplans. Liberty boost. What is147301:33:16,410 --> 01:33:21,090the acronym SDK stands forsoftware development kit. Best147401:33:21,090 --> 01:33:24,690premises? That's Martin Linda'skoge Tea Party media podcast.147501:33:25,350 --> 01:33:31,290Chat F with 3333 He says withneural link you'll be able to147601:33:31,290 --> 01:33:33,600download podcasts straight toyour brain. No listening147701:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,100required. Yes, absolutely. Yes.Yes. And the boosts will be147801:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,050extra, extra nutritious.147901:33:40,079 --> 01:33:42,509Dave Jones: Yeah, you put thebreeze SDK into a noncustodial148001:33:42,509 --> 01:33:43,199ready brain148101:33:44,310 --> 01:33:47,040Adam Curry: 15,000 from Mattmadeiros. Thank you Matt. Always148201:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,510be closing Dave like check outthe podcast. setup.com Douche148301:33:51,510 --> 01:33:56,730mode activated two times speed.His brain is so fried and we148401:33:56,730 --> 01:33:58,020don't even know what you'retalking about.148501:34:00,180 --> 01:34:01,470Dave Jones: Just word salad. It148601:34:02,369 --> 01:34:04,889Adam Curry: happens. That's whathappens to you. Chat F another148701:34:04,889 --> 01:34:08,9093333 We are experiencing thedeath of Fiat podcasting. Yes,148801:34:08,909 --> 01:34:14,039we are exactly what's going on.I like PF FP See ya fiyat148901:34:14,039 --> 01:34:20,459podcasting, the Fiat industrialpodcast complex. With another149001:34:20,459 --> 01:34:23,009one while doing my V for Vreports. I tried listening to149101:34:23,009 --> 01:34:27,569the donation sections at 1.25xand couldn't even do it. Yes,149201:34:27,839 --> 01:34:32,909Chad has taken upon Himself to adocument how much we receive in149301:34:32,909 --> 01:34:37,139value for value and Fiat and oneach basically the whole podcast149401:34:37,199 --> 01:34:41,339index podcast and 2.0 project,which is interesting. I hope149501:34:41,339 --> 01:34:44,789he's going to charge it becauseI'm not quite sure middle149601:34:44,790 --> 01:34:48,090Dave Jones: name is is ChadExcel fair. And that's right,149701:34:48,810 --> 01:34:54,210Adam Curry: sir Spencer 42,069SATs Laureen and I would like to149801:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,880thank you by the way, I'd liketo invite the board and all149901:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,970interested parties out in thepromoting stuff to our upcoming150001:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,660bowls with buds featuring thelegendary podsafe Dave Dave150101:35:03,660 --> 01:35:10,290Jones this Sunday Live Live LiveSunday after no agenda. This150201:35:10,290 --> 01:35:13,410week was the one yearanniversary of live items debut,150301:35:13,620 --> 01:35:16,740which took place the last timeDave was on That's right.150401:35:17,310 --> 01:35:21,240February 20 2022. That was theand that was just two days150501:35:21,240 --> 01:35:26,070before the Ukraine war. Yeah. Sowe'll be talking live items150601:35:26,070 --> 01:35:29,760first year in retrospect andwhere we go next go live go150701:35:29,760 --> 01:35:36,900podcast. Go podcast a lot ofgood boots today Lyceum super150801:35:36,900 --> 01:35:43,950row of ducks. 22,222 ducks in arow. Congrats on the new domain150901:35:43,950 --> 01:35:47,520name pot. Yes, podcast.apps.com. That is again. Martin151001:35:47,520 --> 01:35:54,840Interscope. Blueberry back. I7777 says you're not even my151101:35:54,840 --> 01:36:00,480real dad. Do we talk I guess itgoes back to the beginning of151201:36:00,480 --> 01:36:06,570the show. Eric p p Thank you gotyour mail Eric p p 33,333.151301:36:06,570 --> 01:36:10,380pillow for podcasting. That'sfor for Roy with his pillow fort151401:36:10,380 --> 01:36:15,750built up around this his setup.Blueberry, boost the groove with151501:36:15,750 --> 01:36:24,630another 3333 and let's see wehave tone wrecker. 20202 Nice151601:36:24,630 --> 01:36:29,34020,202 music projects on valuefor value are ripping along151701:36:29,340 --> 01:36:32,550seeing more artists testing thewaters each week need to work151801:36:32,550 --> 01:36:34,980with Steven B to get someartists released or catalog151901:36:34,980 --> 01:36:38,580filter with a cap on so I don'toverrun what is displaying in152001:36:38,580 --> 01:36:42,180initial feed on the music sideproject site. Just excited to152101:36:42,180 --> 01:36:45,600test and learn not dominate overadditional artists appearing in152201:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,130pages. Not sure again, do stoploosened at normal speed. We152301:36:50,130 --> 01:36:51,300can't understand what you'resaying.152401:36:53,460 --> 01:36:55,200Dave Jones: He's flat. He'sflooding his own.152501:36:56,940 --> 01:37:03,780Adam Curry: Shop and Oh, ToddCochran 150,020,152601:37:03,780 --> 01:37:06,000Unknown: his blades on theImpala.152701:37:06,030 --> 01:37:08,370Adam Curry: He says big thankyou to the fountain team and152801:37:08,370 --> 01:37:12,060getting their app demo videoout. Oh, do we miss a demo152901:37:12,060 --> 01:37:17,040video? Wow, that's fine. Thatpure listener and podcasts are153001:37:17,040 --> 01:37:21,210marketing videos like this areneeded. Indeed. apps need to be153101:37:21,210 --> 01:37:25,530promoting hosting companies needto be promoting we that's not153201:37:25,530 --> 01:37:30,030what we do. Clearly. Also,People's Choice Podcast Awards.153301:37:30,030 --> 01:37:33,720Registration is open be nice tohonor a stack of podcasting 2.0153401:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,410podcast it would be indeed,although I get my awards, right153501:37:37,410 --> 01:37:41,040online, where it shows thatwe're the top earner. That's the153601:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,290awards for me every week. Hey,we're on top again. At podcast153701:37:46,320 --> 01:37:50,040awards.com There you go. We haveour round two blueberry153801:37:50,070 --> 01:37:54,360blueberry stack of new featuresplanned for the GUI meeting next153901:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,050week. Let's keep the ballrolling, go podcasting podcast a154001:37:58,590 --> 01:38:03,660nice, thank you very, very muchTodd, that Todd man. job will be154101:38:03,660 --> 01:38:06,780the one to implement my idea. Bythe way, give people a wallet,154201:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,320get that get that breeze SDKintegrated right into your stack154301:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,310there. So you don't have to doanything but call a one API call154401:38:14,640 --> 01:38:19,680and and insert yourself into theever growing list of splits. And154501:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,050just take that take 20% rightoff the top of your free154601:38:22,050 --> 01:38:26,490account. Free Account. Go ahead.But you have to do 2.0154701:38:27,270 --> 01:38:29,100Dave Jones: And I'm alwayssurprised at the people like154801:38:29,100 --> 01:38:32,010Dave, Dave Weiner this week saidpodcasting. 2.0 is a terrible154901:38:32,010 --> 01:38:33,120name. The guy155001:38:33,180 --> 01:38:37,890Adam Curry: the guy who the guywho used RSS 2.0 Please give me155101:38:37,890 --> 01:38:38,550a break.155201:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,030Dave Jones: At least I'm alwaysstunned at the people who are155301:38:42,030 --> 01:38:45,390shocked that about our lack ofmarketing skills and like this,155401:38:45,420 --> 01:38:48,570you should you should know thisby now. Well, this is not what155501:38:48,570 --> 01:38:49,200we do. I can155601:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,130Adam Curry: tell you Davewhiners. Head is is crooked, and155701:38:53,130 --> 01:38:57,210it's very much in the LeoLaporte arena. Because when he155801:38:57,210 --> 01:39:00,120says I know how he thinks, andthis is why we don't get along.155901:39:00,330 --> 01:39:02,820You think Oh, Adam is trying tocapture something for himself156001:39:02,820 --> 01:39:06,330called a podcasting. 2.0 Infact, I am on record literally156101:39:06,330 --> 01:39:09,030saying podcasting. 2.0 is justpodcasting.156201:39:09,480 --> 01:39:12,480Dave Jones: Yes, you have saidthis 1000 times Yeah, and you156301:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,940gotta call it something youcan't call it roast beef. I156401:39:14,940 --> 01:39:17,430mean, we gotta call it somethingso I mean, just grab something156501:39:17,430 --> 01:39:18,990out of the air or whatever.156601:39:19,020 --> 01:39:22,110Adam Curry: It's it's a doubleedged sword sword you know, I156701:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,460guess it's I'm I'm slipping likea mofo. It's so it's so bad.156801:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,210Dave Jones: It's only been aweek. Let me rescue you.156901:39:31,590 --> 01:39:34,500Adam Curry: Just I just need to.If I push the bottom lip, see if157001:39:34,500 --> 01:39:38,760I push press the lip against mydecrepit hole between the157101:39:38,790 --> 01:39:44,190temporary teeth and my gums.It's gone. What tape? I'm gonna157201:39:44,190 --> 01:39:46,320go have some scotch tape. Paula,you'd start reading those. We'll157301:39:46,320 --> 01:39:46,830be right back.157401:39:47,610 --> 01:39:53,340Dave Jones: Marco $500 MarcoArment. Thank you very much157501:39:53,670 --> 01:39:58,770comes in every month and we'rehopefully doing a project with157601:39:58,770 --> 01:40:03,630Dan Benjamin's So Marco wasgracious enough to give Dan some157701:40:04,170 --> 01:40:08,250feature that he needed in his inhis APS were market market and157801:40:08,250 --> 01:40:11,790very much appreciated in this.Hopefully we'll get some 2.0157901:40:11,790 --> 01:40:20,730stuff Adam soon. Buzzsprout also500 dollars.com 20158001:40:20,940 --> 01:40:23,070Unknown: blades on I am Paula. I158101:40:23,070 --> 01:40:25,230Adam Curry: just heard that as Iwas coming back, hold on, let me158201:40:25,230 --> 01:40:27,930just Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Holdon. Hold on158301:40:32,790 --> 01:40:34,170Dave Jones: You take the bottomlip.158401:40:34,200 --> 01:40:39,240Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, let mesee. I'm taping it. Oh, this put158501:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,800one under my lip here. Tighter.Yeah, later. Okay. Now it158601:40:43,980 --> 01:40:52,050doesn't work. And it hurts. Andthank you, Marco. I just was158701:40:52,050 --> 01:40:54,720walking out to get the tape. Iheard Marco. Thank you so much158801:40:54,720 --> 01:40:55,200Marco.158901:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,530Dave Jones: And the boys fromBuzzsprout we appreciate them159001:40:58,530 --> 01:41:02,580every month and they if they getstuff coming to so we're159101:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,530Adam Curry: What do you meanthey got us off? Come they got159201:41:04,530 --> 01:41:05,760new stuff coming up. The kids159301:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,840Dave Jones: keep telling youwhat they got.159401:41:08,220 --> 01:41:10,680Adam Curry: We got secrets now.Okay. All right. Yes. I'm159501:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,370Dave Jones: Tom told me.159601:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,140Adam Curry: Roy. Roy, let's nottape tell Dave about that thing.159701:41:16,140 --> 01:41:16,590Okay.159801:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,700Dave Jones: Fine. Yeah, fine.No, no, you don't need another159901:41:23,700 --> 01:41:26,730paper. You don't just I'm justgonna read it. I'm just gonna160001:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,130tell you the Joshua Hoover gaveus $150160101:41:29,160 --> 01:41:30,150Adam Curry: Holy crap.160201:41:31,980 --> 01:41:35,880Unknown: Shot call those bladeson him. Paulo is160301:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,140Adam Curry: this post,160401:41:37,380 --> 01:41:40,290Dave Jones: Joshua Hoover fromthe podcast index dot social.160501:41:40,290 --> 01:41:42,420He's working on some. He'sworking on some stuff. And I160601:41:42,420 --> 01:41:44,070helped him this week with someAPI.160701:41:45,420 --> 01:41:47,730Adam Curry: That's nice. Thankyou very much is me. He says160801:41:47,730 --> 01:41:49,800Dave Jones: Keep up the greatwork. Adam and Dave. And we160901:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,780will. Yes, thank you, Josh.Appreciate it. We got some Mr.161001:41:54,780 --> 01:41:58,290Graham's we'll see when wescroll to the top of my booster161101:41:58,290 --> 01:42:02,310grant. Oh, here we go. How waswrites in us a reset as Angela161201:42:02,310 --> 01:42:06,450Richards 1111 He says I saw thelive tag on pod verse and I felt161301:42:06,450 --> 01:42:11,010compelled to boost Yes, that'show it works boost. Absurd event161401:42:11,580 --> 01:42:17,670since it's 100,000 sets and hesays hey ho and go podcasting161501:42:18,030 --> 01:42:24,060Adam Curry: podcast. I shouldprobably mention last week right161601:42:24,540 --> 01:42:30,540now someone midweek on the onchain. Tally coin. Dred Scott161701:42:30,570 --> 01:42:32,16080,000 SATs.161801:42:32,550 --> 01:42:35,370Dave Jones: No, the only guy theonly guy who really161901:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,610Adam Curry: the only person whoever uses an on chain donation.162001:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,890Just goes to show162101:42:41,310 --> 01:42:44,370Dave Jones: he went old schoolin the middle of a mempool162201:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,820hurricane to you probably paidfees for that. And he's162301:42:47,820 --> 01:42:51,720Adam Curry: like, Honey Badgerjust He don't care. She doesn't162401:42:51,720 --> 01:42:52,080care you.162501:42:53,490 --> 01:42:55,320Dave Jones: Thank you obsidianfor those 100,000 says162601:42:55,320 --> 01:43:00,150appreciate that so much. HardHat 101 A one. there Curio,162701:43:00,150 --> 01:43:04,500Catherine no note thank you.I've had chat F 3333 Is this162801:43:04,500 --> 01:43:07,170beef milkshake ain't right is aphrase I never want to hear162901:43:07,170 --> 01:43:12,030again. booths. I'm telling youwhen I was just a big chunk163001:43:14,580 --> 01:43:18,810Adam Curry: to eat it was sonasty. Yeah, a big chunk in your163101:43:18,810 --> 01:43:20,970milkshake. It's just also wrong.163201:43:21,690 --> 01:43:25,470Dave Jones: Melissa texted me asecond ago and said beef, beef163301:43:25,470 --> 01:43:28,380bugs on the front porch. So I'mgood to go after the show.163401:43:28,380 --> 01:43:31,320Adam Curry: We can see anotherYeah, nice. Yep.163501:43:32,010 --> 01:43:34,560Dave Jones: A nine of woodlandShire. Oh, that's a beautiful163601:43:34,560 --> 01:43:39,690name a nun of woodland Shire?99,950 SAS through pod verse.163701:43:39,900 --> 01:43:44,280Wow says he or she says I thinkI just purchased Bitcoin for the163801:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,250first time to participate in theV for V. I hope I did this163901:43:47,250 --> 01:43:51,450right? Isn't the amount verylittle or am I being cheap? Cat164001:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,840Adam Curry: 99,000 That's just alittle. Um, you know what? I'm164101:43:54,840 --> 01:44:00,750gonna throw in a couple of statsand give you 20 blades on the164201:44:00,750 --> 01:44:04,410hem Paula? Yeah, we don't have aset sound I guess.164301:44:04,770 --> 01:44:06,780Dave Jones: We don't eat on it'slike the penny drill. Yeah, we164401:44:06,780 --> 01:44:10,470don't have Penny. No. When youlook at digital digitized164501:44:10,470 --> 01:44:17,880version of whatever. There itis. Yeah, thank you anon of164601:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,500woodland show. Macintosh 2121through fountain. He says I love164701:44:22,500 --> 01:44:25,560the idea of a searchable indexof transcripts. Index of the164801:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,710data isn't hard. It's theputting together of meaningful164901:44:28,710 --> 01:44:32,010complex searches. But I wouldpersonally use it multiple times165001:44:32,010 --> 01:44:35,610a week if it happened to beavailable. Anyways, we can dream165101:44:35,610 --> 01:44:38,100right? Go podcasting, Macintosh.165201:44:40,350 --> 01:44:44,250Adam Curry: Big up to the sameSteven B. Once again, transcript165301:44:44,280 --> 01:44:49,620transcript DAST search dotversal dot app. It's in the show165401:44:49,620 --> 01:44:54,150notes. He has created a verybasic transcript search which I165501:44:54,150 --> 01:44:59,490have used five times this weekalready. This is so genius I165601:44:59,490 --> 01:45:03,030mean that You have to tell youcan search the directory now. So165701:45:03,030 --> 01:45:08,760oh wow, podcasting. 2.0 youtyped that in and then it gives165801:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,730you okay, you select thepodcast, and then you want to165901:45:11,730 --> 01:45:16,800search for a term, but searchfor douche. And oh actually166001:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,55012345 but a whole bunch ofepisodes where we use the term166101:45:20,550 --> 01:45:24,450do show Oh my goodness. And youcan click on it and then it166201:45:24,450 --> 01:45:28,350shows you it shows you the wholerundown and then you can166301:45:28,350 --> 01:45:33,090actually click on the click onthe time and it gives you the166401:45:33,090 --> 01:45:40,470audio or hearing this messagethat's how fast it goes. I mean,166501:45:40,470 --> 01:45:44,100that is phenomenal. It needs adomain name. I'm gonna I'm gonna166601:45:44,130 --> 01:45:48,570buy a domain name for yourStevens. I love this. He has a166701:45:48,810 --> 01:45:52,470you know, he asked fortranscript search tool for for166801:45:52,470 --> 01:45:56,550some support. I would put you myyou should lock this down to166901:45:56,550 --> 01:46:00,660only people who put you in theirsplit split number 14 for my167001:46:00,660 --> 01:46:01,680podcast now.167101:46:02,070 --> 01:46:05,880Unknown: Yeah, I wonder out thistrust free software will deal167201:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,510with my Israeli accent. I thinkthe software167301:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,020Adam Curry: you know, while it'sonly as good as the transcripts,167401:46:13,050 --> 01:46:18,420I mean, I guess because I have Ido transcripts interesting. I167501:46:18,420 --> 01:46:22,440don't know. I don't know it doespretty well with stuff like167601:46:22,440 --> 01:46:22,770that.167701:46:23,430 --> 01:46:26,910Dave Jones: When you said whenyou said my ass a while ago, it167801:46:26,910 --> 01:46:29,940picked that up pretty quick. Itwas it was on top of the game.167901:46:30,960 --> 01:46:38,160Yeah. Nailed though. Let's seewe got gene been 4096 cents.168001:46:38,160 --> 01:46:42,300That's a that's a 4k killerboost is what that is found. He168101:46:42,300 --> 01:46:45,630says the female hackers are justsmart enough not to get caught.168201:46:45,870 --> 01:46:51,960That's right. That's right. Man,Macintosh again. 2121. No note168301:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,860thank you Macintosh. Big row ofducks. 22 To 23rd from Gene168401:46:55,860 --> 01:46:58,320bein. He says Matt props toNathan for what he's done with168501:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,650steno.fm. It's reallyimpressive. I particularly love168601:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,260the way the transcripts arepresented and that trailers are168701:47:04,260 --> 01:47:07,680presented prominently. Also,seeing my show volunteer168801:47:07,680 --> 01:47:11,040technologist in the trendinglist is pretty cool. Oh, nice.168901:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,350All right. Excellent. I didn't Ididn't know he did that show.169001:47:13,350 --> 01:47:13,560That's169101:47:13,590 --> 01:47:18,270Adam Curry: for some reason. Ourart. Transcripts don't show up.169201:47:19,410 --> 01:47:22,560In what? In stinner. Yeah.169301:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,020Dave Jones: I don't know why. Iwonder if it's a browser bugs.169401:47:25,740 --> 01:47:28,800Adam Curry: Oh, it may be coresissue.169501:47:29,670 --> 01:47:31,740Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, someof you. He's fighting that169601:47:31,740 --> 01:47:36,120battle a lot. Yeah. And browser,you know, mere mortals podcast169701:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,540or buddy? chyron over there.2222. He says, geez, so many169801:47:39,540 --> 01:47:42,300waking up to glory jokes. Idon't even know where to start.169901:47:44,190 --> 01:47:47,910Adam Curry: Streaming. Exactly.170001:47:49,020 --> 01:47:53,010Dave Jones: Kalil 9999. Throughfountain he says about the170101:47:53,010 --> 01:47:56,010search, would it be possible tocreate some sort of pod rank by170201:47:56,010 --> 01:47:58,740scanning transcripts formentions of other podcasts?170301:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,460Probably AI needed or somethinganyways, go podcasting. My first170401:48:02,460 --> 01:48:07,440boost was love Khalil go. Icould give you some sort of170501:48:07,440 --> 01:48:11,490like, you know, Link, incominglink type reference. Yeah, I170601:48:11,490 --> 01:48:13,470could see that. I liked170701:48:13,500 --> 01:48:16,230Adam Curry: I just like, I wouldlike to know, well, that's kind170801:48:16,230 --> 01:48:22,920of like the activity feed thatfountain house. If I see that170901:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,640you if I see my friend hasboosted a podcast with you know,171001:48:26,640 --> 01:48:30,60050,000 sites, I'm going to beinterested. Yeah, that kind of171101:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,960correlations. What really? Whatreally, I love that. I love171201:48:33,960 --> 01:48:34,260seeing.171301:48:34,350 --> 01:48:37,200Unknown: I'll just say again,that I think this needs to be171401:48:37,230 --> 01:48:39,720podcast index API, the activity.171501:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,490Dave Jones: The activity feed.Yeah.171601:48:44,699 --> 01:48:46,769Adam Curry: Well, how do we dothat? We don't have that171701:48:46,769 --> 01:48:47,429information.171801:48:47,460 --> 01:48:50,430Dave Jones: I'll do it. Yeah, wedo, though we have the boost for171901:48:50,850 --> 01:48:52,980not for anything, because it'svoluntary lines172001:48:52,980 --> 01:48:55,920Unknown: need to push theinformation and then the needs172101:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,030to be indexed by the index andhave like a unified API for all172201:49:00,030 --> 01:49:00,630the clients172301:49:01,140 --> 01:49:03,780Adam Curry: that being that as aroad of argument.172401:49:05,580 --> 01:49:11,760Dave Jones: Yeah, well, slewed,33 333. He says, Dave, I want to172501:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,550give you a tip that I learnedfrom the Andrew Huberman172601:49:14,550 --> 01:49:17,430podcast, if you add a little bitof caffeine into your beef172701:49:17,430 --> 01:49:19,620milkshake, it would actuallyincrease the flavor profile172801:49:19,620 --> 01:49:22,890subconsciously, in formingaddiction, but in a good way, go172901:49:22,890 --> 01:49:23,550podcasting173001:49:25,020 --> 01:49:28,980Adam Curry: podcast, I'm juststruck by was Roy said, so and173101:49:28,980 --> 01:49:33,060what you said. So we couldbasically since we, if if, if173201:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,990people are supporting the index,when they use the API, we can173301:49:36,990 --> 01:49:42,630see which podcasts receive whatwhich amount of boosts or money.173401:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,870In fact, we could do biketransactions by boot. We didn't173501:49:45,870 --> 01:49:47,970wouldn't have to do it byamount, but we could do it by173601:49:47,970 --> 01:49:50,130number of booths, number oftransactions.173701:49:51,210 --> 01:49:54,960Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's,that's part of what I'm thinking173801:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,040for the breeze SDK is I'd liketo have some separate function173901:49:59,040 --> 01:49:59,520for that.174001:49:59,550 --> 01:50:03,150Adam Curry: Yeah. I agreebecause doing it on that doing174101:50:03,150 --> 01:50:05,130on the big voltage node isscary.174201:50:05,730 --> 01:50:10,980Dave Jones: Yeah, do you knowROI that we had when we export174301:50:10,980 --> 01:50:15,270it, we had to export all thetransactions for our taxes. And174401:50:15,450 --> 01:50:22,320we have almost 6 milliontransactions on the note. Only 6174501:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,720Adam Curry: million it doesn'tfit in an Excel and I can174601:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,980Unknown: say that because I'm aJew.174701:50:29,430 --> 01:50:33,030Dave Jones: Yes, we have let merephrase that we only have 6174801:50:33,030 --> 01:50:36,630million right into the guy whoprobably has 47 billion174901:50:36,630 --> 01:50:39,570transactions in your in youracross your node fleet.175001:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,240Adam Curry: Hey, Dave, I'mputting that high in my in the175101:50:42,240 --> 01:50:46,170top of my brain what you justsaid the I love this idea. I175201:50:46,170 --> 01:50:46,620love175301:50:46,710 --> 01:50:48,900Dave Jones: it. I really do thismorning about who so we need175401:50:48,900 --> 01:50:53,520some stats pages, you know thatsort of give that? I love that?175501:50:53,550 --> 01:50:56,340Yes. Because I was reading thatarticle and it was like, it was175601:50:56,340 --> 01:50:58,920like noster zaps. noster zaps.Oh yeah. And there's this175701:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,760podcasting tip when175801:51:01,740 --> 01:51:04,710Adam Curry: tipping hasincreased with podcasts. It's175901:51:04,710 --> 01:51:10,170like no, okay, I'm putting thishigh on my on my on my scale of176001:51:10,170 --> 01:51:13,290things. I'd love to see yes,that would be the best marketing176101:51:13,290 --> 01:51:15,720ever and just make it availablefor anybody. Just take a look.176201:51:15,750 --> 01:51:18,480Oh, here's what's going on. Ilove it.176301:51:18,510 --> 01:51:22,770Dave Jones: We'll do it Jeanbeen 4096 He says glad y'all are176401:51:22,770 --> 01:51:25,470continuing to run with scissorsI'm really excited by cross app176501:51:25,470 --> 01:51:32,940contents me too. I am robotsince 10,004 sets it says176601:51:32,940 --> 01:51:36,480informative informative andeducational. Always adding these176701:51:36,510 --> 01:51:40,110tool sets to my toolbox five byfive in the pipe176801:51:40,140 --> 01:51:43,050Unknown: Yeah, we love thatboost boost boost176901:51:43,740 --> 01:51:48,420Dave Jones: 6969 from a citizento pod verse and he says thank177001:51:48,420 --> 01:51:51,090you too for all that you doraise his fist at the ordinals177101:51:51,090 --> 01:51:53,670people get off my chain boost177201:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,040Adam Curry: Get off my chain177301:51:57,780 --> 01:52:02,880Dave Jones: 2222 from CaptainEgghead he says go podcasting go177401:52:02,880 --> 01:52:10,620podcast 500 SATs but this is anice note this is my first boost177501:52:10,620 --> 01:52:13,650I came here after listening toBitcoin review and the episode177601:52:13,650 --> 01:52:17,100with Adam. You told me to comelisten to this so boom here I am177701:52:17,100 --> 01:52:17,520Baby177801:52:17,580 --> 01:52:19,470Adam Curry: All right welcome tothe party Powell177901:52:20,190 --> 01:52:24,390Dave Jones: How you doingbooster for logs and 26,000 SATs178001:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,420it's an honor to watch thisproject grow Thank you178101:52:27,510 --> 01:52:29,580Adam Curry: no thank you thankyou for supporting it that's178201:52:29,580 --> 01:52:30,870exactly how it works.178301:52:31,680 --> 01:52:39,270Dave Jones: I'm some guy namedRoy since 54,321 54321 sets178401:52:39,450 --> 01:52:43,380through breeze of course. And hejust says podcast index.org178501:52:43,740 --> 01:52:47,460That's right Don't just postit's not a very creative note178601:52:47,460 --> 01:52:47,820ROI178701:52:48,390 --> 01:52:50,490Unknown: I mean what do youthink I put it in there I don't178801:52:50,490 --> 01:52:52,530know that's think you ever178901:52:53,430 --> 01:52:55,740Adam Curry: sometime you sendsay something nice179001:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,310Dave Jones: you could you didn'thave enough in house alcohol179101:52:59,310 --> 01:53:03,000that night. More dreams likedrunk ROI that's179201:53:03,990 --> 01:53:08,250Adam Curry: the best ROI yeahand isn't it time isn't must be179301:53:08,250 --> 01:53:10,710pretty close for you to starthitting the bottle ROI179401:53:12,330 --> 01:53:14,040Unknown: my butler results withthe champagne179501:53:17,970 --> 01:53:22,470Dave Jones: Chris last fromJupiter because Fisher's 188,000179601:53:22,470 --> 01:53:23,010sads179701:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,690Adam Curry: Whoa,179801:53:24,930 --> 01:53:27,630Unknown: shot caller 20 bladeson179901:53:28,050 --> 01:53:29,760Adam Curry: oh nice thank you180001:53:30,090 --> 01:53:33,570Dave Jones: through the podcastindex website another gift. Me180101:53:33,570 --> 01:53:37,320Yes beautiful. Message saysJupiter broadcasting just passed180201:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,590a year accepting boosts. It'sbeen amazing and we're all in180301:53:40,590 --> 01:53:42,570testing lit video and audio.180401:53:42,600 --> 01:53:48,030Adam Curry: Oh man, those guys Ilove them. So tipping is up at180501:53:48,030 --> 01:53:52,7708000 tipping is up yeah, that'snot a tip people touch value.180601:53:53,190 --> 01:53:55,440Dave Jones: I get the feelsyou've been going through hell180701:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,960and back with that mouth ofyours recently. I feel you180801:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,450brother in respect the stiffupper lip approach you've been180901:54:00,450 --> 01:54:03,150taking on air? I hope you'redoing all right and you're in181001:54:03,150 --> 01:54:04,380our thoughts go podcast.181101:54:04,409 --> 01:54:08,009Adam Curry: Oh, thank you, man.I appreciate the podcast. It's181201:54:08,849 --> 01:54:14,009well, I was I was just I wasjust thinking the other day yes181301:54:14,009 --> 01:54:17,879it's a pain in the ass and I youknow they can't keep up with181401:54:17,879 --> 01:54:21,749fixing stuff so the solicitingchanges because of the multiple181501:54:21,749 --> 01:54:25,499procedures but considering I hadout what I thought were181601:54:25,499 --> 01:54:29,519allergies for 10 years those aregone. I no longer use my hearing181701:54:29,519 --> 01:54:33,479aids. I've got a three for one.I'm truly blessed with this. I181801:54:33,479 --> 01:54:36,659can deal with this listing for acouple more months we'll I mean,181901:54:36,689 --> 01:54:39,809I have been so fortunate withdoing all this182001:54:39,930 --> 01:54:42,390Dave Jones: cool neutering eightthings is crazy. The hearing182101:54:42,390 --> 01:54:43,350aids thing is nuts182201:54:43,380 --> 01:54:45,990Adam Curry: have not had them infor weeks at this point.182301:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,860Dave Jones: I can't even I don'teven understand182401:54:50,130 --> 01:54:53,640Adam Curry: well because my mysinuses were being you know182501:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,310there was an infection there sothey were always in you know,182601:54:56,310 --> 01:54:59,910it's like your your tubes youknow your your your your hearing182701:54:59,910 --> 01:55:02,670it was connected to all theother sinuses and all the tubes182801:55:02,670 --> 01:55:06,630and it was just gunky in there.I guess I'm you know, pissing182901:55:06,630 --> 01:55:08,220green oozing slime183001:55:09,990 --> 01:55:15,870Dave Jones: for another comicstrip blogger Darius 3015. He183101:55:15,870 --> 01:55:19,680says, howdy, David, Adam. It CSBwith a special message for all183201:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,760you gringos out there. Now,Greg, I know you Amir, you don't183301:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,010Adam Curry: that's racist comicsor Blogger blogger we're just183401:55:26,010 --> 01:55:27,180saying that's racist man.183501:55:27,540 --> 01:55:29,820Dave Jones: The place too faraway from Mexico. He doesn't183601:55:29,820 --> 01:55:33,210understand. Now. I know youAmericans like your podcasts183701:55:33,210 --> 01:55:36,660like you'd like your burgers,big bold in juicy. And that's183801:55:36,660 --> 01:55:40,710why I'm here to recommend a realsizzler for your ears. Ai dot183901:55:40,710 --> 01:55:43,320cooking with our very ownGregory William Forsythe184001:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,070foreman. So don't be a chump onBray, head on over to AI dot184101:55:47,070 --> 01:55:49,530cooking and give it a listen.Yo, CSB.184201:55:50,010 --> 01:55:54,030Adam Curry: CSB is so funny. Andhe's always about ai, ai cooking184301:55:54,030 --> 01:55:57,090machine learning AI, thesingularity is coming. And they184401:55:57,090 --> 01:56:00,540say, Hey, you know, I'd reallylove some kind of engine that184501:56:00,540 --> 01:56:03,390looks at the transcripts and youknow, and makes recommendations.184601:56:03,390 --> 01:56:04,380It was something really simple184701:56:04,380 --> 01:56:06,930Dave Jones: like search inAugust when I'm not busy184801:56:06,960 --> 01:56:12,930Adam Curry: now. He says, oh,not profitable project. Okay,184901:56:12,990 --> 01:56:17,100all right, fine. Fine. That'sall good. And Steven B came in185001:56:17,100 --> 01:56:17,970and fix it for me.185101:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,520Dave Jones: monthlies arepartners limited $5 Paul air185201:56:23,520 --> 01:56:29,700skin $11.14 Charles current $5Michael Gert Gagan $5 James185301:56:29,700 --> 01:56:34,860Sullivan $10, Christopher Raymer$10 Corning Glass Buck $5 Sean185401:56:34,860 --> 01:56:38,820McCune $20 and Jordan Dunnvillesin dollars,185501:56:38,850 --> 01:56:41,700Adam Curry: thank you all verymuch for supporting podcasting.185601:56:41,700 --> 01:56:45,6602.0 you're supporting theproject, you're supporting the185701:56:45,660 --> 01:56:47,790infrastructure, you're reallysupporting everything and the185801:56:47,790 --> 01:56:52,830future, your future proofingpodcasting 2.0 the index. As185901:56:52,860 --> 01:56:56,130everything stays within the nodefor liquidity, everything is186001:56:56,130 --> 01:56:59,340being built up so that if wefall down, we just need to have186101:56:59,340 --> 01:57:03,030an automatic payment thing setup with with Linode. You know,186201:57:03,030 --> 01:57:07,260so just put it like a, like adead man's switch just starts,186301:57:07,260 --> 01:57:10,860you know, kicks in and startspaying for everything. So thank186401:57:10,860 --> 01:57:13,440you, we appreciate that you cando it in multiple ways. The best186501:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,310way is go to podcast apps.comGet one of those modern podcast186601:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,880apps that you can boost with welove the booster grams. Of186701:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,460course if you want to use yourFiat fun coupons, podcast186801:57:23,460 --> 01:57:26,730index.org. At the bottom, you'vegot the big red donate button,186901:57:26,730 --> 01:57:30,870you can use PayPal for that oron chain, which is now dred187001:57:30,870 --> 01:57:34,590Scott's personal payment portal.But you can join him there in187101:57:35,460 --> 01:57:39,090and be part of the on chainrebel to get on his chain if you187201:57:39,090 --> 01:57:43,410want to. So thank you all very,very much. It is wonderful to187301:57:43,410 --> 01:57:47,490see everything taken off likethis. And then of course value187401:57:47,490 --> 01:57:51,210for value dot info to learn moreabout the concept and it is187501:57:51,210 --> 01:57:54,330time, talent and treasure. Soeverything anyone is doing is187601:57:54,330 --> 01:57:56,760helping and moving thingsforward. And we appreciate it.187701:57:59,130 --> 01:58:04,050With that, let's see. Reutersyou have anything else you'd187801:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,890like you want to talk aboutbefore we let you get off to187901:58:07,890 --> 01:58:12,420your pure weekend festivities ofchampagne caviar, etc.188001:58:13,500 --> 01:58:15,990Unknown: Okay, since we the onlytime that we get to talk is188101:58:15,990 --> 01:58:17,040during your podcast.188201:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,930Adam Curry: Oh, man. Oh,188301:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,040Dave Jones: man. The guilt.188401:58:21,510 --> 01:58:23,880Adam Curry: There's the Jewguilting. Us? Yes. Okay.188501:58:24,329 --> 01:58:30,209Dave Jones: Yeah, now you soundlike my mom. I gotta get back to188601:58:30,209 --> 01:58:32,699work. We gotta we gotta we gottachop it. We gotta chop,188701:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,320Adam Curry: chop and drop. I dowant to188801:58:34,500 --> 01:58:38,010Unknown: hook you up with SDKstuff. Dave, don't worry about188901:58:38,010 --> 01:58:39,150it. And thank you. Thank189001:58:39,150 --> 01:58:41,910Dave Jones: you. Thank you. I'mdone to get into that. Yeah,189101:58:42,060 --> 01:58:44,310Adam Curry: Roy, we reallyappreciate all you've done to189201:58:44,310 --> 01:58:47,580support us, besides just youknow, absolutely being there.189301:58:48,360 --> 01:58:52,200For any questions or insightsinto the industry. I think, you189401:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,260know, I'll call you more often.I'm sorry, it's completely my189501:58:55,260 --> 01:59:00,960fault. I was just knowing I washaving had surgery. I expected189601:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,820you to show me as you can soupwith chicken.189701:59:03,030 --> 01:59:05,790Unknown: I just wanted to saylike, I miss you. And that's189801:59:05,790 --> 01:59:09,210what I'm trying to convey. Iknow, I know. I'm doing it with189901:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,520you my own like passiveaggressive way, but190001:59:11,550 --> 01:59:17,100Adam Curry: it's appreciated.Quick reminder, pod bean is190101:59:17,130 --> 01:59:20,370going to be using the 2.0namespace for transcripts. We190201:59:20,370 --> 01:59:24,450appreciate that I'm sure ToddTodd had something to do with190301:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,730that now that he's over there.Rob, Rob Greenlee and, and190401:59:30,300 --> 01:59:32,970Dave Jones: for those yearss.com also rolled out the TX T190501:59:32,970 --> 01:59:33,300tag.190601:59:33,749 --> 01:59:36,929Adam Curry: Oh, beautiful. Andreminder and remind your190701:59:36,929 --> 01:59:40,079listeners if you're a podcaster.You can export your190801:59:40,079 --> 01:59:44,249subscriptions and import theminto any good app. And I think190901:59:44,249 --> 01:59:47,609all of our apps do that. Peoplealways questioning how do I get191001:59:47,609 --> 01:59:52,259my subscriptions Export ExportOPML export podcast. Promote191101:59:52,259 --> 01:59:58,619that as much as you can. Roy welook forward to you know the SDK191201:59:58,829 --> 02:00:01,499to rolling that out you justgave us some great ideas. I191302:00:01,499 --> 02:00:04,859liked the recommendation, or theranking or whatever we're going191402:00:04,859 --> 02:00:09,359to call it. And thank you forbeing a real strong supporter of191502:00:09,389 --> 02:00:12,599the project with the websites,too. We'd really appreciate it.191602:00:12,899 --> 02:00:13,289Yeah.191702:00:13,530 --> 02:00:16,320Unknown: Thank you guys. Thankyou for exposing me to the191802:00:16,320 --> 02:00:17,910wonderful world of podcasts.191902:00:17,940 --> 02:00:19,740Adam Curry: Yes. And one ofthese days we'll get you to192002:00:19,740 --> 02:00:24,360listen to more than just one.There's a lot out there you192102:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,160might enjoy the other way. Why?192202:00:27,600 --> 02:00:28,920Unknown: I like listening toyour rent.192302:00:29,970 --> 02:00:32,040Adam Curry: Just listen to thishalf of a podcast because that's192402:00:32,040 --> 02:00:36,690twice the speed. All right.Great weekend, Roy. Have a great192502:00:36,690 --> 02:00:39,480weekend. Chat Room. Have a greatweekend. We'll talk to you next192602:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,490week podcasting 2.0192702:00:57,090 --> 02:01:01,680Unknown: you been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast192802:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,230index.org for more information.192902:01:06,150 --> 02:01:08,340Censorship resist in my ass