Episode 123: Get Off My Chain!

1 00:00:00,659 --> 00:00:06,419 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 February 24 2023 Episode 123 Get 2 00:00:06,419 --> 00:00:12,329 off my chest Hello everybody once again time for your weekly 3 00:00:12,329 --> 00:00:16,769 board meeting and podcasting 2.0 We are the North Star in a 4 00:00:16,769 --> 00:00:22,319 galaxy of corporate gloves and boy isn't a clutch everything 5 00:00:22,319 --> 00:00:24,299 you want to know about the latest with the podcast 6 00:00:24,299 --> 00:00:28,709 namespace and forest podcasting 2.0 in its entirety the podcast 7 00:00:28,709 --> 00:00:31,589 apps and everything happening at podcast index dot social I'm 8 00:00:31,589 --> 00:00:34,559 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in 9 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:37,709 Alabama. The commander of Operation chop and drop say 10 00:00:37,709 --> 00:00:39,929 hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. 11 00:00:39,929 --> 00:00:41,819 Dave Jones 12 00:00:43,890 --> 00:00:50,580 Dave Jones: Hello. I know it's stuck now. Yeah, we always going 13 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:51,600 to be days in there. 14 00:00:51,630 --> 00:00:53,760 Adam Curry: We always start the show off with a little bit of a 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,640 singing we'd like to bring the worship team together 16 00:01:00,450 --> 00:01:01,200 Dave Jones: the praise team 17 00:01:01,499 --> 00:01:03,359 Adam Curry: the praise team. Oh, I've never heard that one. The 18 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:08,399 praise team that's a good one. Ah, it is Friday. Once again. 19 00:01:08,399 --> 00:01:10,439 How you doing brother? Everything good up there or down 20 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:12,119 there and over there in Alabama. 21 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:15,960 Dave Jones: It's good over here in Alabama. Busy. Yeah. With the 22 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:17,970 with the Texas. Oh, that's 23 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:20,040 Adam Curry: right. That's right. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,820 Dave Jones: I went to my first first ever Bitcoin meetup. Oh, 25 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:27,450 holy night. Oh, how was that? Here in here in here in the 26 00:01:27,450 --> 00:01:27,930 hand? Well, let 27 00:01:27,930 --> 00:01:29,910 Adam Curry: me guess. Let me guess. Hi, everybody. Welcome to 28 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:31,680 the meetup. Let's talk about noster. 29 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:39,120 Dave Jones: That came at the end. Lots of nostre talk at the 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,330 very end. Yeah, that was fantastic. It was great. That 31 00:01:42,330 --> 00:01:45,900 was good. I've never been to anything that it felt. It was a 32 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:52,920 it was a very religious type event. I mean, like, I mean, in 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,350 the sense that everybody's like, you know, the same ilk you know? 34 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:02,940 They're so it's like going into like a Bitcoin Bible study. Big 35 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:08,850 Adam Curry: BBs Bitcoin Bible study. Well, it is kind of true 36 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:12,810 that that when you meet Bitcoiners that's kind of like 37 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:16,710 no agenda listeners to when you meet Bitcoiners does like all 38 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:19,140 over the spectrum and I mean, literally is a spectrum 39 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:23,190 sometimes. And you wouldn't be able to know any of these people 40 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:25,650 wouldn't walk down seas Oh, that gut person was a Bitcoin you 41 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:29,040 would know until you meet him. And it is it is a real sense of 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,730 community. There's something going on there that I've 43 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:34,560 witnessed many times it's kind of cool. 44 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:38,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, I liked all the people there no nobody I had 45 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:44,490 ever met before from around berm you know Birmingham and great we 46 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:48,060 have a wide diversity of people from different places a guy 47 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:50,910 talked about proof of work and then in 48 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:54,030 Adam Curry: general or specifically to Bitcoin Phoebe 49 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:54,750 Phoebe comm 50 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:59,280 Dave Jones: did like a presentation on it and and stuff 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,390 is it meatless is yeah, it was good and then like the people 52 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:07,830 that run it are really nice and committed have been run it for a 53 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:10,710 while didn't even know this was going on. So anyways good. It's 54 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:12,240 good to get out into the Oh yeah. 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,630 Adam Curry: Did the did people know who you were? Do you say Do 56 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:18,420 you know who I am? Did you say that like I am the pod sage 57 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:21,900 Shruti heard a podcast surely value for value rings a bell 58 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:22,560 people 59 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:27,090 Dave Jones: did not say anything like that. This? No I did not 60 00:03:27,090 --> 00:03:28,260 turn on douche mode I kept 61 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:31,290 Adam Curry: it's not douche motives. PR mode. Did you Did 62 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:35,310 anyone talk about value for value in podcasting at all? 63 00:03:35,940 --> 00:03:38,130 Dave Jones: They talked a lot about podcasts that they 64 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:43,380 listened to talk about podcast about podcasting in any of that 65 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,660 sort of sense. So I figured I figured what I do is I just get 66 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:48,810 to know people for a while and then I'm done. And then a few 67 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:51,690 weeks I'd say hey, I can do a presentation on podcasting. 68 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:55,050 tupuna There you go. They seem that seems to be their thing. 69 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:57,300 They seem to be like every, every time they have a meet up 70 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,300 they have somebody do like a presentation so I could do V for 71 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:00,960 v you know 72 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:04,020 Adam Curry: very nice. I did want to mention to everybody 73 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:07,950 this is my new health warning. I'm very concerned for people as 74 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:12,000 I've discovered that there are a the entire armies of people are 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,200 listening to podcasts at accelerated speed. I would like 76 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,700 to warn you out to the SP at any at anything above 1.0 I'd like 77 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:22,770 to remind you this is very bad for your health. You are 78 00:04:22,770 --> 00:04:26,490 hijacking your nervous system. There is no need for you to cram 79 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:30,090 more podcasts into your life. You will not be able to 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,520 cognitively absorb what normal people are saying anymore. Stop 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:35,850 it 82 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,840 Dave Jones: this is what what is new this and new what was Where 83 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,090 are you so far? Out of the blue 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,290 Adam Curry: no unwell no it kind of came up during the week as I 85 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:52,620 was someone sent me a video which was clearly a you know a 86 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:57,030 so called Deep fake and it was Joe Rogan and and Peterson they 87 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:59,190 were talking together and I'm like that's pretty it's pretty 88 00:04:59,190 --> 00:05:03,510 good. It's getting pretty close. And then it dawned on me that it 89 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:07,440 sounds a bit like, you know, SmartSpeed from overcast or any 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,040 other spared who does not actually speed up the voices, it 91 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,890 tries to keep the pitch in check. And it sounds very much 92 00:05:13,890 --> 00:05:17,040 like a deep fake and I thought, oh my god, people will never be 93 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,520 able to recognize a deep fake anymore, because this is how 94 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,420 they're used to listening to stuff. And I got so many emails 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,360 in your blood people said, you know, what you said was kind of 96 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,750 interesting because I can't listen to normal conversation 97 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:33,990 anymore without thinking people are drunk or it's really weird. 98 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:37,950 And like that is not healthy. Think about what your data is 99 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:43,020 not healthy. You need to be able to have cognition of normal 100 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:48,840 life. So stop it. You do. Okay, one more thing. If you if you 101 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:52,560 feel you need to accelerate listening to podcast because you 102 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,580 need more podcast, please stop listening to this one right 103 00:05:56,580 --> 00:06:00,300 away. Go away. You're sick. Okay. Yeah. What do you want to 104 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:08,429 Dave Jones: say go? No. As a first of all, somebody needs to 105 00:06:08,429 --> 00:06:12,719 get the an ISO of Bob Newhart doing that skit. Where have you 106 00:06:12,719 --> 00:06:15,059 seen that one where he just wants to stop it? Where he's the 107 00:06:15,059 --> 00:06:20,729 psychologist who charges $5. Just to stop it. 108 00:06:21,570 --> 00:06:23,220 Adam Curry: Fortunately, no, I don't have that one. 109 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:29,730 Dave Jones: But the as a as a reformed podcast, multi multi 110 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:33,720 multi XOR I don't know what you call that multispeed person's 111 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,790 chick? Yeah. Yeah. As a sicko, or form, sicko form, sicko. I 112 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:43,980 used I used to listen to all my podcasts in one at 1.0 speed up 113 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:49,200 speed up with the, with the the whatever, whatever that thing is 114 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,420 where it chops out the silences between them and all that kind 115 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:55,590 of stuff. Yeah, the silence chopper. Silence Joe. Yeah. And 116 00:06:56,010 --> 00:07:01,980 I. I did that exclusively. And then at some point I heard you 117 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:06,510 say on I think it was on no agenda. I heard you griping 118 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,780 about this. And I was like, okay, you know what, you 119 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:14,070 probably ride? Yeah, um, because I noticed I would get home from 120 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:16,320 like a commute somewhere, I would get home and I had been 121 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,650 listening to this for let's say, 30 minutes. And I would be 122 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 irritable with the people in the house. 123 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,550 Adam Curry: I've saved your marriage is what you're saying. 124 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:32,640 Dave Jones: My kids, oh, you owe you a debt of gratitude. Like in 125 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,010 this, like, Okay, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop 126 00:07:35,010 --> 00:07:38,850 it. I'm gonna stop it. And so I just changed everything back to 127 00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:44,190 normal speed cut out the good out the solid choppers. And, and 128 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:48,630 at first, it was painful. I was like, it feels so slow. But then 129 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:53,190 after about a week, I'm like, Oh, this is actually normal. And 130 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:58,320 I'm in it for 100% Sure way way but not 105 by 131 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,500 Adam Curry: five, five by five, four quarters, anything can 132 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:02,250 additionally 133 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:10,050 Dave Jones: it improved. The all my my conversations with people 134 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:14,340 around me it it put it reset my brain back to normal. I agree 135 00:08:14,340 --> 00:08:16,170 with you exclusively. 136 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,100 Adam Curry: There's something else that came along. And I just 137 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,090 realized this also spurred me on, I got new glasses. And I 138 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:30,510 needed I needed glasses with multifocal lenses, because, you 139 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:35,340 know, I'm now flying back flying again. And and I'm nearsighted. 140 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:39,750 So I'm sitting in front of the podcast studio screen here, I 141 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:42,930 see it perfectly without glasses. But if I move back to 142 00:08:42,930 --> 00:08:48,660 just about where the glass panels are, in today's modern 143 00:08:48,660 --> 00:08:51,480 aircraft, you know, it's a little fuzzy, but you kind of 144 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,680 need to see the, the instruments and I'm used to you know, steam 145 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:59,190 gauges, dials, you know, that's approximately there. That looks 146 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:04,950 about right. So, so I needed new glasses, and I and I got two 147 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:09,480 pair and the one pair, the ophthalmologist got me 148 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:14,730 transitions with three. So you have Far, Far Away close up for 149 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:17,400 reading, which is handy because you know, if I'm walking through 150 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,460 the supermarket, I'm always taking my glasses off looking at 151 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:24,780 my phone, putting them back on. And then a medium stage which is 152 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:30,630 actually perfect for the for the glass cockpit. And it was the 153 00:09:30,630 --> 00:09:34,680 first time I put them on i Whoa, I almost fell over. Because 154 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,970 you're so used to moving your eyes behind your glasses. Now 155 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:41,970 it's like you move them down. It's like whoa, and you got all 156 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:46,140 goes out of focus. You look to the left, it's like vertigo. And 157 00:09:46,140 --> 00:09:49,980 it took me a few days. And that reminds me of the experiment 158 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:52,560 where you put the glasses on that invert the world 159 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,530 everything's upside down and your brain will accept that 160 00:09:55,530 --> 00:09:59,070 within 24 hours even shorter than that you will be able to 161 00:09:59,070 --> 00:10:02,820 function perfectly fine with the world being projected upside 162 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:07,380 down to your eye, you know, to your through your eyes. So 163 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:11,520 logically when just what you said, when when you get used to 164 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,490 it and then you come home and you want to beat your children 165 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:25,080 go faster. Come on, get out. What did you want to say? Yeah, 166 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,290 that's 167 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:26,850 Dave Jones: exactly that's actually what it's like there's 168 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:30,420 there's a low level of irritation. It forms in the back 169 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:32,820 of your head when you're when your little girl was telling you 170 00:10:32,820 --> 00:10:35,670 about her homework and you're just like, go stop 171 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:40,080 Adam Curry: being so slow. Wow, okay, thank you. I'm adding this 172 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,230 to my arsenal. This is this will improve your home life, it will 173 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:45,720 improve your the sex will be better. 174 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,020 Dave Jones: I can attest to sex better. 175 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:52,590 Adam Curry: You get you have sex if you stop being an asshole. 176 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:53,640 Really good. 177 00:10:54,239 --> 00:10:58,259 Dave Jones: That's all so that also qualifies as better. from 178 00:10:58,259 --> 00:11:03,299 none to Yes. Oh, goodness. I also agree though, with tone 179 00:11:03,299 --> 00:11:07,049 record is that if you listen to roast beef, the developer Oh, 180 00:11:07,049 --> 00:11:09,779 yeah. That is the only time you race acceptable to 181 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,810 Adam Curry: just slow it down to slow it down. slow him down. 182 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:14,130 That's true. That's true. Yeah, 183 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:20,340 Dave Jones: he says has been I'm thinking maybe point 250 184 00:11:20,340 --> 00:11:22,590 Adam Curry: My goodness, we have a very special board member I 185 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:25,200 want to bring in in a moment. But not until you and I have 186 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,380 discussed one important story which I felt only really got to 187 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:38,910 mention. YouTube. Yeah. Podcast egg. No, that was not what I was 188 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:41,340 gonna talk about. Oh, okay. 189 00:11:41,370 --> 00:11:42,600 Unknown: I got to know. Sorry. No, I 190 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,140 Adam Curry: was gonna talk about the story from NPR because it 191 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:49,830 got it. Gotta mention it. Thank you. It caught my attention 192 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:53,940 because it was a story about NPR. Well, I have the story 193 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:58,830 here. Allison. I have the clip. I have their very own clip and 194 00:11:58,830 --> 00:12:00,750 we won't play the whole thing. We'll get up to the pertinent 195 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:03,630 bit here. And now of course, some news. By the way, you got 196 00:12:03,630 --> 00:12:08,490 to we got to slow it down and talk like NPR he now for some 197 00:12:08,490 --> 00:12:13,980 news about ourselves. NPR? Yes, we're so transparent. We report 198 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:15,720 on our own smelly poop. 199 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:19,650 Unknown: And now of course, some news about NPR itself. NPR 200 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:23,550 announced a major restructuring today and revealed it's about to 201 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:27,780 lay off about 10% of the workforce. Our CEO John Lansing 202 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:32,760 cited a drop of $30 million in projected advertising revenues. 203 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:34,950 Adam Curry: So this caught my attention when you say because 204 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:39,780 NPR is National Public Radio underwriting and well, the it's 205 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:42,690 always been questionable, you know, is it sponsorships, 206 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,080 underwriting, advertising, call it whatever you want. And I 207 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,440 think that it was a little confusing, but I can dissect 208 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,160 this quickly. That's 209 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Unknown: about to lay off about 10% of the workforce. Our CEO 210 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:59,130 John Lansing cited a drop of $30 million in projected advertising 211 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:02,370 revenues. And PR media correspondent David Folkenflik 212 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:05,430 joins me and David, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. But 213 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,860 this is a tough day, as you know, here at NPR. 214 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:12,690 Yeah, look, it's it's, it's a real loss. As John Lansing said, 215 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:16,470 in a memo to staff I've been here over 18 years, it's the 216 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:18,720 toughest cuts I've seen, it's probably the toughest since the 217 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,850 early 80s. What we know is not a lot except about the extent of 218 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:28,020 it. And what John Lansing said to me was that it would not be 219 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:31,830 uniform across he wasn't just going to take a hatchet and do 220 00:13:31,830 --> 00:13:36,570 the same across all divisions. He wants to be strategic and 221 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,530 thoughtful about how it's done. But you know, this is 222 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:43,320 necessarily going to be us doing not only less with less, but 223 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,000 reconfiguring how we do it. 224 00:13:45,629 --> 00:13:48,449 Adam Curry: I'll stop there because what they kind of waffle 225 00:13:48,449 --> 00:13:53,189 around about is what the problem is what happened with NPR who 226 00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:56,879 are supposed to be running on donations, you know, they have 227 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,989 donation drives, you get a tote bag or a coffee cup. If you 228 00:14:00,989 --> 00:14:04,679 submit a support your local NPR station, what happens? It's 229 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:05,970 Dave Jones: gonna guess what the problem is? Yeah, 230 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:06,600 Adam Curry: go for it. 231 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:11,850 Dave Jones: The Pro, I'm gonna guess that the problem in this 232 00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:14,580 comes from reading the article, which was actually very long. 233 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:17,940 Adam Curry: The article actually tells us what the problem is. 234 00:14:18,270 --> 00:14:22,320 Dave Jones: It said something like that there was 490 people 235 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,410 in the newsroom and like 230 people in management. 236 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Adam Curry: Now that is part of the problem. What really 237 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:37,800 happened here is they built a huge podcasting division. And 238 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,470 the podcasts do accept advertising. And so this so they 239 00:14:43,470 --> 00:14:48,000 already were trimming down in November they they were cutting 240 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,110 they cut everything by 10%. That's not really mentioned. NPR 241 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:54,720 is programming division, which produces its industry leading 242 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,970 podcast has more than doubled since 2019. You see they got on 243 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,220 The hate bandwagon that particularly with, with with 244 00:15:05,370 --> 00:15:11,190 lock downs when a everybody was creating podcasts, see the chop 245 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:14,520 and drop exercise to pare down the crap that was still the 246 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,470 remnants of that shit floating around in our in our index it 247 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:25,410 more than doubled. And you know with that Dvorak and I actually 248 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:27,450 went through a lot of their probe they have a lot of 249 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:33,900 programs that they created in the past couple of years. And 250 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:39,330 the advertising as predicted as warned for by this very podcast 251 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,910 post. It's done it dried up. It's I mean, of course there's 252 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:47,430 always going to be some marketing. The podcasting is the 253 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:50,280 first one to go this the first way you know, it's very, it's 254 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,940 not well measured, you know, the IAP stats, it's all this crap 255 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:58,950 that it's too complicated. There's no ESG benefit anymore 256 00:15:58,950 --> 00:16:01,800 because you actually have to pay for it now. It's not free from 257 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,630 you know, free money you can borrow. And so they just over 258 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:11,280 overstimulated the whole programming division. And that 259 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280 is going to be a bloodletting in that division in the in the 260 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,760 podcasting space where they thought, you know, this will 261 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,080 just go on forever. 262 00:16:19,650 --> 00:16:22,920 Dave Jones: And they said they have just the newsroom currently 263 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,190 stands at just shy of 490 people while programming has shot up to 264 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:30,900 230. And yours. I wonder how much of that quote unquote 265 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,640 programming was podcasts, all 266 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,700 Adam Curry: podcasting? It's all about Yeah, it's all and here's 267 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:41,820 the other problem. When podcasting works, when it's 268 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:47,100 almost a one man band, you cannot afford to do and this is 269 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,460 the problem with Spotify with gimlet now they have unions over 270 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:53,520 there are you kidding me? Even while we have editors and 271 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,580 producers and associated associate producers, and 272 00:16:56,580 --> 00:17:01,890 production assistants, and get coffee, and and line editors and 273 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,500 then an executive they all report to that's the other side 274 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:08,310 of the equation. Because they're all in this fantasy of, of big 275 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,570 broadcasting, I mean, even top 40 radio stations don't have 276 00:17:12,690 --> 00:17:18,570 that level of, of staffing, and they're barely getting by 277 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:22,710 barely. So this, you know, this inflated, oh, my gosh, it's 278 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:26,970 gonna be so great. You know, it's now coming crashing down. 279 00:17:26,970 --> 00:17:29,670 And I just want to say a couple of things I want to say about 280 00:17:29,670 --> 00:17:34,620 it, one, learn how to produce your own podcast. You know, it 281 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:37,980 doesn't, you don't have to be? No, it doesn't have to be the 282 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:41,730 Wall of Sound every single time there's, you can learn how to. 283 00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:44,880 And I prefer to make the sound and record it Direct to Tape and 284 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,310 not mess with everything after the fact you do whatever you 285 00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:51,420 feel is necessary. But also, I want to tell the hosting 286 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:56,040 companies, it's going to slow down, there's not going to be 287 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:01,080 this big influx of 1000s of new customers every week, it's just 288 00:18:01,110 --> 00:18:03,690 going to slow down. And if I could make one one more 289 00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:09,210 recommendation that I'll shut up. I would recommend a hosting 290 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:12,120 company. If you're giving away free account stop right away. 291 00:18:12,690 --> 00:18:17,310 Give away an account where you take 20% of the value for value 292 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:21,480 streaming sites up to a cap or in perpetuity, whatever you want 293 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,310 to do, and make that your deal and stimulate people using that 294 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:29,370 move away from all I mean, subscriptions I think is a 295 00:18:29,370 --> 00:18:34,590 pretty good business too. Although fundamentally, I don't 296 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:37,110 like the idea of paying for something you can't listen to 297 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:42,540 otherwise. I don't like the the paywall version of it 298 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,180 Dave Jones: the V for V subscriptions. Are those work? 299 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:45,480 Yeah, 300 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:48,180 Adam Curry: I mean, that's what we've done with no agenda for 15 301 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:50,940 years with Pay Pal, you know, and of course, gradually going 302 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:55,950 to try and move that into other payment platforms da. But you 303 00:18:55,950 --> 00:19:01,050 know, seriously, think about, think about doing more of that, 304 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840 and stimulating people to get because if you if you can get 305 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,860 someone who has 100 people listening, but you know, there's 306 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:11,640 one person there who's who does $1,000 a month, you're out of 307 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,140 your cost, you know, and it really didn't hurt you didn't 308 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:20,460 hurt anybody made it easy for everyone to participate in. And 309 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:23,160 I think it's a model for the future that that is just me. 310 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:29,100 And, and stop listening at times x speed, you know, jobs. 311 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,850 Dave Jones: They said to me, they're laying off 10% of their 312 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:36,660 workforce. I mean, that's a huge job. That's big. Yeah, that's 313 00:19:36,660 --> 00:19:39,960 more than any. I think that might be the biggest one we've 314 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:40,320 heard. 315 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:42,329 Adam Curry: But they also said it's not going to be uniform 316 00:19:42,329 --> 00:19:45,119 across the organization. No, it's going to be in podcasting. 317 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,309 It's all podcasts. Exactly what 318 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:50,670 Dave Jones: their quote, their quote was, in I think it's 319 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:54,000 interesting that this is a this is an article about themselves. 320 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:56,760 So they're talking I mean, they're not. This is not 321 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,970 guesswork. They're telling you exactly what's going on. Now if 322 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,220 Was there some positioning? I mean, I'm not saying that 323 00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:06,060 there's not. But, you know, there's lots of, well, just like 324 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:07,830 everybody else is having layoffs, we're gonna have to 325 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:09,300 have them too. There's a lot of that did 326 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,430 Adam Curry: a lot of look at Silicon Valley. Okay, so you're 327 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:16,260 comparing NPR to Google and Amazon. So clearly, clearly, 328 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:23,070 you're talking about podcasts. And this is why I also put 00 is 329 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:28,110 the word wait on the YouTube podcast announcement? Go ahead, 330 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,650 go go jacked up over there. This podcasting has been through 331 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:33,840 this. We've seen this a million times. 332 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:38,250 Dave Jones: That they said they the reason they gave in I mean, 333 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:40,710 this is really specific. And again, this is talking them 334 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:42,660 talking about themselves. They're telling you what's going 335 00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:47,430 on. They said, quote, in talking about the calls, quote, and 336 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:52,110 erosion of advertising dollars, particularly for NPR podcasts, 337 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:56,790 quote, specifically said that, yes, I mean, that that there's 338 00:20:56,790 --> 00:21:01,980 no ambiguity there. Advertising in NPR podcasts is not keeping 339 00:21:01,980 --> 00:21:05,910 pace, and they can't fund those 230 program. 340 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,629 Adam Curry: There was actually a spot in here, Michigan, fine. 341 00:21:09,629 --> 00:21:12,359 You know, this is mastering how we do it is a spot where she 342 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,869 says, But you know, it's people doing podcasts or doing 343 00:21:15,869 --> 00:21:18,749 journalism, too. We've listened. He said that this is going to be 344 00:21:18,779 --> 00:21:19,799 a significant way. 345 00:21:19,829 --> 00:21:22,079 Unknown: Now, what does that actually mean? When he says he 346 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:24,299 wants to be thoughtful? He doesn't think this will be 347 00:21:24,299 --> 00:21:28,379 uniform across divisions catchy podcast, is actually 348 00:21:28,379 --> 00:21:28,949 envisioning? 349 00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:32,790 We don't know, we don't. What we do know is three, three 350 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:38,550 different kinds of strategic which is as law and also its 351 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:41,520 audience to you know, seek younger and more 352 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,100 Adam Curry: diverse I like this. I like with this is what 353 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,380 Dave Jones: this means, just as a commentary. I mean, with this 354 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:49,440 riveting content I stunning that they've had no problem selling 355 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:49,920 advertising. 356 00:21:50,339 --> 00:21:54,209 Unknown: VR has to deepen and broaden its audience to deepen 357 00:21:54,209 --> 00:21:58,499 and broaden. What does that even mean, you know, seek younger and 358 00:21:58,499 --> 00:22:00,839 more diverse audience base younger and 359 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,850 Adam Curry: diverse audience base? You know what that is? 360 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:05,730 That's corporate bullshit is what that is. That's the 361 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,980 Unknown: way in which he sees building for the future. And he 362 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:11,670 said that since he arrived in the fall of 2019, he's also 363 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:14,550 talked about unifying its newsroom with its programming 364 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:14,940 side, but 365 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:17,280 Adam Curry: not when you unify the newsroom with its 366 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,100 programming side, you know what that means? Native Ads, you're 367 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:24,420 going to be making content for the advert and our NPR team 368 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:27,630 skilled voices, they'll make special podcast just for your 369 00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:29,760 brand. Trust me, it always goes 370 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:32,730 Dave Jones: away more stories about Taco Bell Mexican pizza 371 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:34,740 coming back, because it's exactly it's 372 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:36,720 Unknown: where so much growth has happened lately, 373 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,690 particularly in the podcasting division. But these divisions in 374 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:40,980 some ways artificial. Well, 375 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:42,030 Adam Curry: I don't want to hear that again. What 376 00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:45,870 Unknown: are you say? 2019. He's also talked about unifying its 377 00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:48,780 newsroom with its programming side, the programming is where 378 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,150 so much growth has happened lately, particularly in the 379 00:22:51,150 --> 00:22:53,730 podcasting division. But these divisions, in some ways are 380 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,520 artificial. A lot of our colleagues doing journalism are 381 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,770 doing so under the rubric of podcasting, but it's still 382 00:22:58,770 --> 00:23:01,080 really part of a greater journalistic function. 383 00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:02,970 Adam Curry: And that's where you'd break. 384 00:23:05,339 --> 00:23:07,829 Dave Jones: That's actually what what is the definition of 385 00:23:07,829 --> 00:23:11,909 rubric? Rubric? I wonder why he chose that word. 386 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,620 Adam Curry: It's a good question. Rubric rubric. A 387 00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:22,230 direction rubric. Do you have a good definition meaning, okay, 388 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:28,080 authoritative rule, a rule of conduct of how we, huh, that's 389 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,530 interesting. Well, if you look at NPR podcast, and you know, 390 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:34,380 say, well, that's basically it. They're doing journalism. I'm 391 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:41,340 not so sure. I think you really went crazy. Let's see. Where are 392 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:47,910 their podcasts? exclusives, exclusives. Date of Ukraine. All 393 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:51,630 right, there you go up first, consider this one, a embedded 394 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,530 here and now anytime planet money life kit, the indicator 395 00:23:55,530 --> 00:24:00,210 wisdom, ultimate coupon code switch through line. It's been a 396 00:24:00,210 --> 00:24:05,880 minute. I mean, they have so many podcasts. Oh, they must 397 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,330 have some big deals with people on this too. Anyway. 398 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:12,450 Dave Jones: Yeah, this is not they get on. 399 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,290 Adam Curry: I feel bad when, when when this happens. But, you 400 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:18,690 know, it's like, let's be honest, let's just be honest 401 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:22,530 with what we're doing in the podcasting space. Ads are not 402 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:28,620 going to be great for maybe a long, long time. I don't know. I 403 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,310 don't know. You know, but it's, it's an that whole, the whole 404 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:36,480 world is seeing this and is equipping themselves for what 405 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,360 they see on the horizon. So, you know, 406 00:24:39,389 --> 00:24:40,949 Dave Jones: I think it's important. I was reading this 407 00:24:40,949 --> 00:24:45,449 morning. I was reading this morning about how the Fed is not 408 00:24:45,449 --> 00:24:48,929 fed, excuse me the about how the official stats coming out of the 409 00:24:48,929 --> 00:24:52,799 administration about the you know, the economic numbers about 410 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:59,279 unemployment. They're all just so bogus and the banks, even the 411 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:02,279 big banks are still And to call it out and say these, these 412 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:07,169 numbers don't seem to comport with reality. And so, you know, 413 00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:11,339 I'm not sure that we even know the extent of what's happening 414 00:25:11,339 --> 00:25:16,199 economically right now. I feel like we're actually probably in 415 00:25:16,199 --> 00:25:20,159 the dark about a lot of things and so we're the pain might 416 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,849 actually be way worse than right now than we may be. We may be 417 00:25:23,849 --> 00:25:26,279 firmly in recession territory already. 418 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:29,340 Adam Curry: Well, technically, by the technical nature of two 419 00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:34,590 quarters, two down quarters of, of GDP, yes, we are in the 420 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:35,490 United States, 421 00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:39,540 Dave Jones: down quarters, even with funny numbers. We could be 422 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:42,750 like deep in recession and not be aware of it. And 423 00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:46,199 Adam Curry: the disgusting thing is, is if you listen to the Wall 424 00:25:46,199 --> 00:25:49,529 Street guys, and the Fed, they're like, Well, you know, 425 00:25:50,069 --> 00:25:53,579 Damn, man, we can't get we need unemployment needs to be higher 426 00:25:53,609 --> 00:25:56,999 than you know, that is their metric that will keep raising 427 00:25:56,999 --> 00:26:03,629 interest rates until the job market softens IE. There's more 428 00:26:03,629 --> 00:26:06,449 unemployment, they are rooting for unemployment. They raise 429 00:26:06,449 --> 00:26:09,899 interest rates to get you unemployed. This is literally 430 00:26:09,899 --> 00:26:11,939 what they're saying. You probably don't hear it because 431 00:26:11,939 --> 00:26:14,309 it sounds like this. Well, we ready to get that what did it 432 00:26:14,309 --> 00:26:19,439 get that job? I can tell you don't understand the nuance, but 433 00:26:19,439 --> 00:26:20,519 that's what's happening. 434 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,910 Dave Jones: Man. I've been reading back to reading secrets 435 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:25,410 of the temple every night. 436 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:27,330 Adam Curry: I'm not familiar with secrets. 437 00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:31,740 Dave Jones: Book by William Greider. He's too bright for The 438 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:35,220 Washington Post. I think it was published in maybe 1990 or 91. 439 00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:38,940 It's about the Paul Volcker Federal Reserve. Oh, 440 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,280 Adam Curry: sure. Sure. In 441 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,639 Dave Jones: 80s. And it's it's a big book. It's like 700 pages. 442 00:26:44,909 --> 00:26:49,469 But it's it's all the inside story about, about that 443 00:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,739 timeframe? And what what all they did, have you ever heard of 444 00:26:52,739 --> 00:26:56,219 the monetary Control Act of 1980? 445 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Adam Curry: Was this where they tried to price fix stuff? 446 00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:04,260 Dave Jones: No, this was the Fed, the Fed under William 447 00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:09,060 Miller was worried about that. I didn't realize this, there that 448 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:13,860 banks before 1980, banks could choose not to be a member of the 449 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:18,480 Federal Reserve System. And what happened to is if you were a 450 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,540 member of the Federal Reserve System, you are required to keep 451 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,650 a certain amount of reserves, yes, on deposit at the Fed. But 452 00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:29,040 the Fed did not pay interest on those reserves in that griped a 453 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800 lot of banks. So what a lot of banks and credit unions and 454 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320 savings and loans would do is they would pull, they would they 455 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,740 would leave the Federal Reserve System go on their own under the 456 00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:41,610 State Banking reg regulations of their state. And they would not 457 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:46,110 have to keep those reserves on deposit. So they could keep them 458 00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:48,930 themselves and they could use they could deploy those reserves 459 00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:52,020 and actually get, you know, get a return right, which 460 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,030 Adam Curry: turned into the overnight rate, which is one of 461 00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,150 the biggest problems that we have now is Wilton banks are 462 00:27:57,150 --> 00:27:59,700 sending a trillion dollars overnight back to the Federal 463 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,080 Reserve. Well, the 464 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,860 Dave Jones: monetary Control Act of 1980 stopped that it 465 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,130 basically just said, all financial institutions in the 466 00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:10,800 United States are required to be members of the Federal Reserve 467 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,230 System. Done 468 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,459 Adam Curry: and and did you know that since COVID, the banks are 469 00:28:17,459 --> 00:28:22,439 not required to have any reserves. I didn't know that. 470 00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:26,669 Yeah, then they never reversed that it was during during COVID. 471 00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:31,139 You know, typically you have to have 10% in reserve. And so they 472 00:28:31,139 --> 00:28:33,449 don't have to do they don't as far as I know, many banks don't 473 00:28:33,449 --> 00:28:37,199 even have any reserves. And by the way, nothing says honey, I 474 00:28:37,199 --> 00:28:40,139 don't want to have sex and having that 700 page book next 475 00:28:40,139 --> 00:28:42,779 to your bed and reading it at night. Dave Jones, what do I 476 00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:44,069 need to teach you? 477 00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:47,129 Dave Jones: It's like I mean, it's like a big thing of garlic 478 00:28:47,399 --> 00:28:49,709 sitting on the nightstand. 479 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,170 Adam Curry: Speaking of reading in bed, I'd like to bring in our 480 00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:59,190 honorary board member for today. As you can see, he is once again 481 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:02,400 in his velvet bathroom and his bathrobe and his fluffy pink 482 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,370 slippers ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to the founder 483 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:10,470 and CEO headworn a boss something of one of our first 484 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,340 first apps to support value for value. That would be breeze. 485 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:21,030 Hello, His Royal Highness Roy scheinfeld Roy Hello Adam. Hello 486 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:24,930 Dave Booker's off 487 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:28,170 Unknown: I don't think it's nice that we need to like be on a 488 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:30,480 podcast in order to talk but Well, 489 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,880 Adam Curry: I mean, it's so funny because I've been looking 490 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,680 at my phone for a couple months and I got no I have 00 calls 491 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280 missed or anything from you. You only tweet me now 492 00:29:41,309 --> 00:29:45,479 Unknown: you know what? I had the same experience myself. So 493 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,730 Adam Curry: the last time I called you like Oh man, I'm 494 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:53,100 really busy. I don't have time for you don't remember. 495 00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,739 Unknown: Don't have time. No. And by the way, I want to say 496 00:29:58,739 --> 00:30:03,449 that I'll continue to listen to podcasts index in 2.5. Index to 497 00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:06,840 Adam Curry: really listen to in in high speed Do You Really? 498 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,610 Really? Yeah, yeah. 499 00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:10,800 Dave Jones: You're frying your brain, your friend. 500 00:30:12,929 --> 00:30:15,329 Adam Curry: Roy lives alone, everybody just want to make sure 501 00:30:15,329 --> 00:30:18,209 as far as we know, except for your servants. There's no one 502 00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:18,899 out there. 503 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,270 Unknown: Yeah, so 504 00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:24,809 Adam Curry: that's because you listen to podcasts at 2.5 speed 505 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:25,619 like no, you can't 506 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:31,230 Unknown: add them one podcast only. That's, that's the only 507 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:35,160 podcast that I listen to in my bathrobe, like we did my 508 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,410 slippers on Friday night, but but I think like I don't think 509 00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:43,950 it's one size fits all. That's what I wanted to say. Like, time 510 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940 is a very scarce resource. Like there are other stuff to do I 511 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:51,240 have a lot of stuff to do with my time. I'm not sure like it's 512 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,580 very effective for me. And by the way, you mentioned roast 513 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:57,330 beef. Like the only way I think I'm able to listen to roast beef 514 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,350 is because I'm listening to to your podcasts in train your 515 00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:01,710 train 516 00:31:01,739 --> 00:31:02,129 Dave Jones: this is 517 00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:07,380 Adam Curry: it kind of goes against everything you know, 518 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:10,830 from a Bitcoin or with a high or low time preference, which is 519 00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:14,640 interesting. It's kind of the exact opposite. But we respect 520 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520 your choices. So if you want to know if you want to smoke crack, 521 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,000 that's fine. 522 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,409 Unknown: I don't think it's about that. I think I don't know 523 00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:25,589 Yeah, key few Did you watch this? There's a Netflix show 524 00:31:25,589 --> 00:31:30,239 called cooked. A Michael Pollan. I think that's the that's the 525 00:31:30,239 --> 00:31:36,599 guy cookies talking about, like, why humans are in in regards to 526 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,379 cooking like why humans are better than then animals like 527 00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:44,969 more effective is because we eat cooked food. And cooked food 528 00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:50,249 takes less time to digest. So we have does not have time to do 529 00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:54,719 other stuff and develop as this society. So I'm developing Adam, 530 00:31:54,749 --> 00:31:56,429 you're the one in behind? 531 00:31:56,609 --> 00:31:59,399 Adam Curry: Well, then Fair enough. Fair enough. All I would 532 00:31:59,399 --> 00:32:03,599 say is, you know, it isn't podcast audio. The idea is you 533 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,809 can do other things while you're doing it. Uh, did you watch that 534 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,529 Netflix documentary? Two times speed? By the way, did that give 535 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:13,799 you more time to watch more stuff on Netflix? Do you listen 536 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,489 to your music at two times speed? Because it sounds so 537 00:32:17,489 --> 00:32:17,969 good. 538 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,260 Unknown: Yeah, your point. I agree. 539 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,050 Adam Curry: Because I love you, man. It's only because I love 540 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:25,260 but 541 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,140 Unknown: you know, you heard lactic like, I'm not addicted 542 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:31,620 user. But I have a lot of like, friends with kids. I don't have 543 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,140 any kids. But I have a lot of friends get and all the Tick 544 00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:38,280 Tock music. I can double the speed or triple the speed. And I 545 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:41,700 like that. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah. Oh, yeah. abomination. 546 00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:45,600 Adam Curry: Yeah. So Roy, we're always great to have you on. 547 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,460 It's been quite a while. As I said, you were one of the one of 548 00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:55,830 the first. Well, I think really, really well, you're a second but 549 00:32:55,830 --> 00:33:01,110 you're really the only my dream came true as the only one I'll 550 00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:03,630 just call it a wallet. I know it's very controversial to call 551 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:07,860 it that. But a signing app that does Bitcoin and lightning that 552 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,750 added podcasting. And, and to this day, it is still my go to 553 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:15,150 to test to make sure everything's working and 554 00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,050 whatever podcast I released. First thing I do is did the show 555 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:22,230 up on breeze? And can I send a booster Graham and if those two 556 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:25,770 things work, then it's solid for me. And that's really how solid 557 00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:31,920 breeze is as an app. And I know you've modernized a couple of 558 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,860 things. You want to talk about the podcasts and capabilities of 559 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,960 breeze and then we'll go into all the other stuff that you can 560 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,690 bring us up to speed on the state of the industry basically. 561 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,540 Unknown: A Yes, sure. So yeah, as you said, like we we try to 562 00:33:45,540 --> 00:33:51,720 create the best podcasting good user experience, and we baked it 563 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,940 into the app. I know, that's one of the primary reasons why why 564 00:33:56,970 --> 00:34:03,570 users keep using Brees is first it seems like very, very odd for 565 00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:07,140 people for Bitcoiners to have a podcast player within their 566 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:14,670 wallet. But now it's I think we we normalize that like a we kind 567 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:20,070 of made it a standard. And I and a lot of people are liking this 568 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:23,160 experience and the experience is very solid. We are actually 569 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,540 building our podcasting capabilities on top of a library 570 00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:32,910 called anytime. That's the that's the podcasting library. 571 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:35,940 And I liked the user experience because of the user experience. 572 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:41,640 As a user I'm using breeze and not because I help build breeze 573 00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:44,640 but because I like it as an interface. The interface is very 574 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,140 clean. You don't have all the social network network stuff 575 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,010 that you have in other podcasts players like a fountain for 576 00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:57,810 example, I understand why Oscar and why other other other 577 00:34:57,810 --> 00:35:02,100 developers are adding the It does capabilities. But I like 578 00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:07,110 like the sustained experience of the just listen to a podcast 579 00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:11,670 Adam Curry: is a double screen. I don't want to be consumed by 580 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,020 interaction with humans 581 00:35:13,950 --> 00:35:16,830 Unknown: 2.5 Speed points. 582 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,660 Adam Curry: And have you considered adding some of the 583 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:23,520 live the lit capabilities? 584 00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:27,870 Unknown: Yeah, so So strategically what we want to do 585 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:32,910 a, what what we've done with Breeze kind of the Swiss knife 586 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:38,190 are a model of, of adding multiple experience into a 587 00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:42,510 single app, we also have a point of sale interface within breeze. 588 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:47,970 That doesn't scale. So in order for us to expand and to add more 589 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,240 podcasting capabilities, I think what we need to do, we need to 590 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,650 spin off the podcasting feature of breeze into a separate app. 591 00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:01,320 That's why we went through the roll the route of developing a 592 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,800 breeze SDK, we can talk about the prison SDK, but the SDK is 593 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,880 the infrastructure that will allow us to have multiple 594 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,110 applications that use the same user node, use the same user of 595 00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:17,190 balance. And that architecture will allow us to have multiple 596 00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:22,170 apps, one of the apps, we want a dedicated podcast app. And once 597 00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:25,200 we have that there is no limit to the features that we can. 598 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:25,650 Okay. 599 00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,400 Adam Curry: I understand what you just said. So I can have my 600 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,340 breeze wallet and just use it for all the breeze stuff that I 601 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,910 do. Which Believe me, this is how I buy my beef with breeze. 602 00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:39,210 You know, all of this stuff I do. I love I love the experience 603 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:44,670 of the breeze wallet for Bitcoin and for lightning. Or they use 604 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:46,470 it for lightning exclusively pretty much. So what you're 605 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:50,460 saying is I can use with the SDK when this is you're gonna 606 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:55,440 explain this to us. I can have a breeze dedicated podcast app, 607 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,540 but it will take from the same balance. Is that what I heard 608 00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:57,930 you say? 609 00:36:58,590 --> 00:37:01,110 Unknown: Exactly? That's exactly right. I have one of the 610 00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:05,880 features that the lightning and Bitcoin in general doesn't have 611 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:11,190 a is missing is lacking when comparing to the Fiat experience 612 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:14,640 is the fact that multiple applications can work against 613 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,540 the same balance. That's that's a missing feature. That's a 614 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:23,670 that's a big UX drove back when you compare the lightning 615 00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:27,360 applications out there to fiat solution with Fiat you use your 616 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,450 credit card, you put your credit card, in an Uber app, you put 617 00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:33,090 your credit card in Spotify, put your credit card weather, 618 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,380 wherever and then and then all the these applications are 619 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:41,520 working against the same account the same balance, we need a 620 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,160 similar experience in the lightning space, but we needed 621 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,690 to do that in a noncustodial fashion. Yes, that's why that's 622 00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:52,830 why we've developed the proof SDK. And we can 623 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,280 Adam Curry: Okay, so it's time to bring up this conversation 624 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,990 again. And it's actually very timely as we now you know, 625 00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:03,570 things have changed in the in the last two years I would say 626 00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:06,420 Elon pay was pretty much the exclusive provider that a lot of 627 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:12,150 people were using tying their apps into we had voltage has has 628 00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:15,210 done a little bit but really they're like you know get a node 629 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:18,990 that's way too expensive podcasters don't like that like 630 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:23,700 ham radio operators that cheap. Then we have although they also 631 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,580 have new stuff they're working on for liquidity not quite the 632 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:33,090 same, then get Alby came along and get Alby really showed 633 00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:36,060 everybody hey, here's how you have a wallet. And here's how it 634 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,490 went. And you can connect this to stuff. And I think that was 635 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:43,200 very helpful in explaining and showing people the concept of 636 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,720 having a central wallet that you can use from multiple different 637 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,580 applications. The problem is, and we've seen this with, with 638 00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,340 almost every system, certainly centralized systems, if 639 00:38:56,340 --> 00:39:01,500 something goes wrong, everybody's fucked. Or if God 640 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,920 forbid, you know, the German Luftwaffe comes in and says, you 641 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,740 know, we're shutting you down now because whatever, it's not, 642 00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:12,120 the German rules have changed, or the EU rules have changed. 643 00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:17,910 And, and it always makes me shiver as I look at all the 644 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:22,320 success of what's building out and people. And I remember, we 645 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,740 just started this, there was a big pushback against even ln 646 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,290 pay, you know, the Bitcoin was like, This is not what we're 647 00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:30,960 supposed to do. And it was supposed to be decentralized, 648 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,810 you're ruining the whole concept. And so here we are in 649 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:37,410 this kind of precarious situation. So the custodial 650 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:40,860 noncustodial is worth, if you don't mind re explaining and 651 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,910 what, what the SDK is going to how that's going to change this? 652 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,740 Unknown: Yes, yes, definitely. So So there are a few pillars to 653 00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:54,120 this non custodial, custodial discussion. One is, as you said 654 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,290 about we don't want a centralized solution because a 655 00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:04,020 centralized solution leads to Due to due to problems in terms 656 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:07,890 like blue wallet from the last couple of days is a great 657 00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,370 example blue wallet, just decided to shut down their 658 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:12,690 service and all the blue 659 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,090 Adam Curry: wallet you Oh, I didn't even hear about this blue 660 00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:16,140 wallet shut down. 661 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:20,010 Unknown: They should they're shutting down there. They have 662 00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:24,480 an Elon hub architecture, right where you can you can configure 663 00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:29,520 a specific program specific software to run on the server 664 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,750 and that, that that software kind of acts like the custodial 665 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:38,490 node of the Blue World users. So by default, they offer their 666 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,270 Elon hub instance, and they're shutting down the default 667 00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:43,290 instance, basically, 668 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,790 Adam Curry: do you know why they're shutting that down? I 669 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:48,120 don't know. 670 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,620 Unknown: I can, I can? Just yeah, sure. I guess, I think, I 671 00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,650 think first they're there as a team, they're focused on on 672 00:40:55,650 --> 00:41:02,130 chain capabilities. But I think I think everyone that provides a 673 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:06,960 custodial service right now is flying under the radar. Right? 674 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,990 And that is limiting in a lot of in that in a lot of ways. If you 675 00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:16,230 want to be acquired, for example, what do you do with the 676 00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:20,670 custodial service, if you don't have the proper papers in place, 677 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,680 you don't comply to the to the, to the FinCEN, regulation or 678 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,230 whatever, you're in trouble, basically. So you need to get 679 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:33,000 through it with get rid of the custodial part of your business. 680 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,690 So I don't know if the world's gonna be acquired or not, but I 681 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:42,750 wouldn't be surprised if that's going to be the case. everyone 682 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:46,320 that is providing that is currently providing a custodial 683 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640 solution is flying under the radar. You can do that on the 684 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,050 like if you are doing that properly, meaning complying to 685 00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:58,710 the to the regulation and that's what for example, fountain 686 00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,910 switch their custodial solution to a regulated custodial 687 00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:06,930 solutions. It has right Zebedee, right, Zebedee. Exactly. And 688 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:10,380 that has other drawbacks, because then all of a sudden, 689 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,190 you need to do KYC, and only to do it to comply with AML 690 00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:20,580 regulation. And that that's that's crap as well. So for me, 691 00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:25,410 I think noncustodial that's the long term game and a lot of 692 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,590 noncustodial will prevail, not just because it's like 693 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:33,540 decentralized. I'm not a Bitcoin, religious guy that says 694 00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:36,240 like, it's only decentralized now It's decentralized. Because 695 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,080 this isn't realization means something it provides value to 696 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,900 users, and in freedom of fuser is translated to user 697 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:51,120 experience, not having to have to comply to KYC and AML. Ease 698 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,260 the user experience value, their ability to expand globally easy 699 00:42:55,260 --> 00:43:00,510 user experience value. So I think we need to push on to a 700 00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,630 noncustodial future future. And that's what we've been doing 701 00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:05,130 Doris, since the get go. 702 00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:10,680 Adam Curry: Can for me, it's, it's, it's really more than a 703 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,600 decentralized part. I mean, I've already had, ah, like, on the, 704 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:20,100 you know, without a doubt fountain right now is, is at the 705 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,430 top of the list of people jumping in to listen to podcasts 706 00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:26,370 and use value for value for booster grams and streaming 707 00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:32,760 payments. And so I do one show with my wife every 14 days, on 708 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,580 the very day that we record is when people start to send us 709 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,890 booster grams, because I want to be mentioned in the show. 710 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,930 Fountain has an issue. So all these people were sending stuff, 711 00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:46,710 it's going into the voids going nowhere going into the void. And 712 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,860 because that's the centralized solution that you get the most 713 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,730 people that are on that particular system. They all got 714 00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,180 hurt at once. And that's the problem I have with this besides 715 00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:58,560 all the regulatory stuff and 716 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:03,960 Unknown: and it's money robustness, your robustness is 717 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:07,680 another value proposition, clear value proposition over 718 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,880 decentralized solution. 719 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,910 Adam Curry: So how is breeze going to solve all this? 720 00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:16,920 Unknown: Well, again, it's not just about breeze, a breeze is a 721 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,430 means to an end. And the end is to have a decentralized peer to 722 00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:24,870 peer money. And in the world, what we're the way that we're 723 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:29,550 trying to move the needle is by for the first time working on a 724 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:34,710 noncustodial SDK, providing developers and vendors and 725 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:37,890 companies the ability to integrate lightning payments 726 00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:42,870 into their applications. But doing that a while maintaining 727 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,640 the noncustodial architecture. So that's what we've been 728 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,190 working on for the past 268 months. 729 00:44:50,219 --> 00:44:52,619 Adam Curry: So how does it work? How is it possible? How 730 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:54,450 Unknown: does it work? Yeah, I mean, 731 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:57,570 Adam Curry: this is trickery. There's got to be something 732 00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:59,970 that's in the cloud, you're not being truthful. 733 00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:02,730 Dave Jones: When you say noncustodial, just for clarity, 734 00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,810 when you say noncustodial, I mean, you clearly with the SDK, 735 00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:09,930 since it relies on green light, and I'll let you get into that. 736 00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:13,710 But does it relies on block streams, infrastructure, it's 737 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:19,020 custodial in the sense of keys, and fund and fund ownership is 738 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:23,940 not custodial in the sense of, like, hard wearing the, it's 739 00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:24,300 really 740 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,090 Unknown: easy. So I differentiate between custodial 741 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:31,350 cuz being a custodian and being centralized, that's not the same 742 00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:35,580 thing. So because custody, when I refer to custody, I only mean, 743 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,870 in terms of the keys, like the ability of someone else to use 744 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:44,130 your funds. That's for me, when I say non custodial, I mean, no 745 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:49,770 one can move your funds without your permission in your fund. 746 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:53,430 Dave Jones: To, to clarify that a little bit. I think that's 747 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,210 important. Maybe people who aren't as knowledgeable about 748 00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:00,690 Bitcoin might not understand that if you, if you have control 749 00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:05,760 of your own keys, then even if the infrastructure underlying 750 00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:10,530 your wallet goes away, you can go and spin up a wallet in a 751 00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:14,730 different location. reapply your keys and your funds are still 752 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:18,150 there like you, you don't your your funds live on the chain, 753 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:23,130 they don't live in the wallet. So the the, the risk of losing 754 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:27,840 infrastructure is not is is not really much of a risk other than 755 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,320 just functionality, you know, you may lose the function that 756 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,870 you're used to. But you don't lose any you don't lose any 757 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:35,310 money. You don't lose any funds. 758 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:45,360 Unknown: You're right. But but but we also aspire to be a try 759 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,980 to to minimize the trust in embrace and to make a breeze 760 00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:55,950 also, a more decentralized, not just noncustodial, but more 761 00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,250 decentralized. Let's let's talk about like Adam asked about the 762 00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,830 architecture, let's talk about the architecture. And then I'll 763 00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:05,970 explain how we decentralizing the, the components of the 764 00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:09,750 process decay? How do we do an open LSP platform? And how are 765 00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:13,770 we going to add the SDK on top of we're in like, so you you're 766 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:18,750 not vendor locked into into Blockstream? Yeah. So the way 767 00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:24,330 the SDK works, right now in breeze, we you run, we run and 768 00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:27,960 the user runs a fully featured lightning node inside the mobile 769 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,800 device. A, what we're, we've done with the, with the LSP with 770 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,680 the SDK is is to, to be able to run the node on the cloud 771 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800 environment. You're right. And and that's the secret sauce. 772 00:47:43,830 --> 00:47:50,970 Yeah, the node is is now in a hybrid model, where the data of 773 00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:59,250 the node resides on the cloud. And the keys are, are still in 774 00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:05,670 the mobile device. So the user holds the key data, the data 775 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:10,410 that can sign the transaction, and the node has all the channel 776 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:14,790 states and all the information that is needed in order to route 777 00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:20,640 payments. That's like the decoupling of the signer from 778 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,690 the note 779 00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:24,450 Adam Curry: write it. But that's only for that. So you really 780 00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:27,540 only need the key pair when you're sending something 781 00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,270 receiving is just open all the time, I expect, like you 782 00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:31,950 wouldn't reject a payment. Right? 783 00:48:32,339 --> 00:48:36,209 Unknown: It will, so that he doesn't solve and yeah, I heard 784 00:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,079 you in the previous show stock talk about it. The fact that 785 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,349 we've we're are moving to green light, and we're adding green 786 00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:46,949 light as a solution in breeze doesn't solve the offline 787 00:48:47,069 --> 00:48:51,839 problem of needing to sign the transaction while you're 788 00:48:52,139 --> 00:48:56,789 offline. That doesn't solve that a note on the mobile node on 789 00:48:56,789 --> 00:48:59,189 green light, it has the same issue in that regard. 790 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:04,260 Adam Curry: So what is that Moline? Yeah. Okay, 791 00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:07,770 Unknown: so yeah, let's get to that in a second. Let me just 792 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:10,110 completed the architecture tour. And then we'll 793 00:49:10,589 --> 00:49:13,799 Adam Curry: drill on your left here, you see the node channels 794 00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:15,869 on your right, you see your mobile app, okay. 795 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,710 Unknown: Yes, yeah, because the presence of K isn't just an end 796 00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:24,390 user node, it's the entire end to end stack of being able to 797 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:29,640 send and receive payments. So you need an end user node, but 798 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,000 you also need an LSP that provides the liquidity to the 799 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,650 end user node. And you you need also swap services that that 800 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:41,940 provides the on chain interoperability. So the bridge 801 00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:47,520 is the case really an end to end solution that, that have all the 802 00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:52,110 pieces of the puzzle in order to allow a developer just to call 803 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,740 one API to send the payment and one API to receive a payment, 804 00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:59,760 right. We put all the services within the process Okay, so 805 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,590 that's The breezes decay in a nutshell. And to answer your 806 00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:09,330 your your question, Dave, or your remark about being 807 00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:12,990 decentralized, we don't want only to support Well, Bruce is 808 00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:17,250 vendor agnostic, we use the best tool for the job LDK, we all 809 00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:20,820 will also support the cloud architecture. And we're gonna 810 00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:25,590 head LDK to our SDK. So developers will be able to 811 00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:29,970 choose a block stream or SDK or even host, a green light, by the 812 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:32,160 way, green light is going to be open source, they will be able 813 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,170 to offload the green light data into their own environment and 814 00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:40,350 use their own green light environment. And they will be 815 00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:47,130 able to do so. So with the with the SDK as well. And a on the 816 00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:52,590 LSP side, it's a open LSP architecture where you can plug 817 00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:56,340 in your own LSP, you don't have to rely on Brees as the 818 00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:02,400 liquidity provider. So okay, so yeah, the offline, I hear the 819 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,960 offline problem is bothering you. 820 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,119 Adam Curry: Of course it is, of course, I mean, you'd give me 821 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,419 this great, you know, that maybe, maybe you're hearing me 822 00:51:09,419 --> 00:51:16,559 in normal pacing, so you're not quite used to be talking much 823 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,069 faster. 824 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:18,960 Dave Jones: Say it really quick. 825 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,370 Adam Curry: So what it sounds like to me is it won't work out 826 00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:26,400 of the box for Kison with podcasting payments. 827 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:31,830 Unknown: You're right in now, right now. But we are working. 828 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:35,160 And that's very high on our priority list. There are two 829 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,140 things that we can do. One thing that we are already doing, and 830 00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:46,110 that that's going to be released very soon, hopefully. Yeah, I 831 00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:49,320 don't want to my my, my founders, my co founders will be 832 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,560 angry at me. So I'm not going to say, because they're the one I'm 833 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,900 going to work Kingaroy. Exactly. I'm just talking on podcast, but 834 00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:05,490 there. But soon soon, it's like it's very, very high on our 835 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:09,060 priority list. They're already started working on it. We're 836 00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:16,170 going to we're going to provide a web hook in the SDK that will 837 00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:24,000 allow the, the LSP and the user node to wake up the clients. If 838 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,680 they if the if the if the client is offline. And the client is on 839 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,650 mobile, by the way, the SDK isn't limited to mobile, like if 840 00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:37,230 you run the SDK in a server environment, you don't have an 841 00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:42,450 issue, right? Because the SDK can be notified. Right that 842 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:46,110 okay, can can wake up and sign the transaction. So the only 843 00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:50,580 issue? I'm sorry, keep going. No, good. No, 844 00:52:50,610 --> 00:52:52,920 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn't The only issue go ahead. 845 00:52:53,219 --> 00:52:56,819 Unknown: The only issue where we have a problems with offline 846 00:52:56,819 --> 00:53:01,619 signing is if you run a mobile application, you need to make 847 00:53:01,619 --> 00:53:06,719 sure the application gets enough CPU in order to sign the 848 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,009 transaction. And this is feasible, very feasible to solve 849 00:53:11,549 --> 00:53:14,579 in the green light architecture, because in the green light 850 00:53:14,579 --> 00:53:20,729 architecture, unlike the unlike the l&t architecture, in Elland 851 00:53:20,759 --> 00:53:24,929 in l&d, you need to start the node in order to, to be able to 852 00:53:24,929 --> 00:53:29,489 sign and that takes a lot of time, in relatively a lot of 853 00:53:29,489 --> 00:53:33,389 time, like five to 10 seconds. That's not enough time in order 854 00:53:33,389 --> 00:53:39,239 to respond to a mobile notification in iOS and Android. 855 00:53:39,389 --> 00:53:44,009 But in green light, there is no there is no node, you don't need 856 00:53:44,009 --> 00:53:48,989 to run a node, you just need to sign a state. Okay, so it can 857 00:53:49,169 --> 00:53:52,529 can be done very quickly. And we're going to implement that. 858 00:53:53,069 --> 00:53:58,709 So you won't be won't have the offline problem in the in our 859 00:53:58,739 --> 00:54:03,809 SDK. That's that's the that's the like the hack. I call it the 860 00:54:03,809 --> 00:54:07,229 hack, because we're leveraging the capabilities of mobile 861 00:54:07,229 --> 00:54:09,539 notification in order to write transaction. 862 00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:14,160 Adam Curry: So let me just break this out. So if someone creates 863 00:54:14,190 --> 00:54:19,260 a service, or let's say, a service for podcasters, who want 864 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,500 to receive value for value streaming payments and booster 865 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,690 grams, that would all be server based stuff anyway. You know, 866 00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,560 presumably, presumably a webpage you're not necessarily something 867 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,380 on your mobile it wouldn't necessarily be an app so no 868 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:38,100 problem to spin up receiving wallets for podcasters very 869 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:44,880 quickly for it sounds like for podcast listeners who are 870 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,790 sending payments there's no problem out of the box either 871 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:48,450 because you know 872 00:54:48,449 --> 00:54:51,149 Unknown: your ending note said okay, just got it, got it, got 873 00:54:51,149 --> 00:54:51,479 it got it. 874 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:54,180 Adam Curry: Interesting. So, 875 00:54:54,449 --> 00:54:58,289 Unknown: but receiving that will take care of receiving as well. 876 00:54:58,979 --> 00:55:05,489 And that there is another long term task that requires protocol 877 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,599 enhancements in order to support it's called assing. payments in 878 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:13,859 lightning. There are few features including Bolt 12, 879 00:55:13,859 --> 00:55:17,669 including blindness path, including on your messages that 880 00:55:17,669 --> 00:55:20,999 are needed to be implemented in order to implement us the 881 00:55:20,999 --> 00:55:23,669 corniest payments in the infrastructure in the 882 00:55:23,669 --> 00:55:26,939 infrastructure, currently lightning you can send only if 883 00:55:26,939 --> 00:55:30,569 the user the pay and the payer are online at the same time 884 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,569 asking payment will enable lightning payments where the 885 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,939 receiver can be offline. 886 00:55:39,449 --> 00:55:42,419 Dave Jones: Now, how does that happen? I mean, is there a 887 00:55:42,419 --> 00:55:44,849 watchtower involved availa? What's no 888 00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:50,970 Unknown: the LSP is actually involved. So this requires 889 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,580 another node that holds another online node that holds the 890 00:55:56,580 --> 00:56:00,180 payment, the problem, you can implement that already right 891 00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:04,710 now, like you, let's say you have two mobile clients. And 892 00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:10,830 both are using a LSPs. Lightning service, I'd like to know that 893 00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:13,440 that connects them to the network, you can send a payment 894 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:19,620 to the to the pay LSP. The pay LSP can hold the payment until 895 00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:25,710 the pay is back online. That's easy to implement. The problem 896 00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:30,600 with that solution? Is that enlightening. You lock the 897 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,440 liquidity along the route. And that's a bad solution. Because 898 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,340 if you lock the liquidity until the day is back online, then you 899 00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:43,560 can't use the liquidity for other payments. So the secret 900 00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:47,790 sauce, like the magic with a assing payment solution is to 901 00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:54,750 hold the payment at the first of the initial hope between the the 902 00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:56,400 payer and the LSP of 903 00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:58,830 Adam Curry: that she acing part. Okay, 904 00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:01,290 Unknown: I gotcha. Exactly. Okay, exactly. So 905 00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:06,450 Adam Curry: this brings up two questions. One, well, that will 906 00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:11,280 help I'll start backwards pricing. Now the way you will do 907 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,370 this will be percentages of everything. There's no upfront 908 00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,900 fee, you just it's it's a percentage of transactions, etc, 909 00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:21,300 whatever, whatever breeze kind of does now, I presume? 910 00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:24,810 Unknown: Yes, exactly why that's just about documenting our 911 00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:28,740 current model of leveraging lightning fees. Lightning has an 912 00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,910 inherent business model baked into it. And we're leveraging 913 00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:35,790 the lightning business model. I don't want to reinvent any 914 00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:39,810 grand, I believe in the lightning routing fees. Yeah, 915 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,170 Adam Curry: me too. And I also believe in fees in general. And 916 00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:46,170 that's why I propose hosting companies should look into 917 00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:49,560 something like this and spin it up and take a take a percentage 918 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,310 instead of a monthly fee. Second thing I'm very concerned, 919 00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:58,740 personally, about now what's happening with noster and zaps 920 00:57:58,740 --> 00:58:04,140 and all this crap. And it looks like lightning is really not 921 00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:08,100 being used much anymore. Everyone's going towards ln URL. 922 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,410 De will have to jump in with the seems to be any other way than 923 00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:15,960 we're doing it which of course, we architected because we're 924 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,690 genius. It puts so much weight on podcast apps, that is because 925 00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:25,440 going to become very inefficient. And even the, 926 00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:29,910 although I like what's happening with Noster, their zaps. I mean, 927 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:33,390 it's caused all kinds of problems. And I'm not I'm not 928 00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:37,140 sure if this is good, other than getting people are in the habit 929 00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:40,950 of transacting. I think that's very good. But I'm worried about 930 00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:45,960 KY sand in general, and how Ellen URL, we have a whole group 931 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440 called the lnu, we're all mafia, and they come in and they stomp 932 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,220 all over you and then they leave and they do nothing. It just 933 00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:59,700 seems problematic to me. I may be overreacting a bit. So 934 00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,540 hysterical. 935 00:59:01,949 --> 00:59:04,589 Unknown: Ellen, your role is a workaround. And everyone 936 00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:09,029 acknowledge that Ellen URL is a workaround. It's in place 937 00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:12,719 because it bridges some gaps that exist currently in the 938 00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:17,999 specification. With Bolt 12 You don't need bolt oil in your 939 00:59:17,999 --> 00:59:25,079 rail. Because you can initiate a payment without an invoice 940 00:59:25,619 --> 00:59:31,019 without an invoice. And and and that leaves us if that exists. 941 00:59:31,049 --> 00:59:35,759 That leaves us with a assing issue that is also on track to 942 00:59:35,759 --> 00:59:41,219 be resolved. When we have asked in payments support, then we can 943 00:59:41,219 --> 00:59:45,839 also support both both welfare in a noncustodial fashion. So So 944 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,519 I think again, we're running a marathon year right? And there 945 00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,809 are some stuff that are not ideal right now and centralized 946 00:59:54,809 --> 00:59:58,949 right now. And custodial right now. But I see a clear path 947 00:59:58,949 --> 01:00:03,149 where everything is Is converged into a noncustodial clean 948 01:00:03,149 --> 01:00:06,659 solution within the protocol itself. So I'm not too worried 949 01:00:06,659 --> 01:00:10,079 about that. That's why I also been always very pragmatic in 950 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,319 breathing, supporting these protocols that we support and in 951 01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:16,349 your realm, and we support lightning address, because we 952 01:00:16,349 --> 01:00:20,639 understand that the market need this feature features. And we 953 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,639 don't want to say no, you don't need this feature. Yeah, you 954 01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,099 need the lightning address, because it's easier to send a 955 01:00:26,099 --> 01:00:29,159 payment with a lightning address. I just want to have a 956 01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:33,779 lightning address supported in a noncustodial fashion. So that's 957 01:00:33,779 --> 01:00:37,019 what what they saw both 958 01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:39,330 Adam Curry: Well, what you're saying is Bolt 12, which I'm 959 01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:43,650 told will not not be here until my grandchildren are in college. 960 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,670 Yeah. 961 01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,710 Dave Jones: Two years. I mean, like, lnd. To me, lightning labs 962 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:50,670 and l&d has to hold 963 01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:54,120 Unknown: up. Yes, yeah. Yeah, definitely. And that's the stuff 964 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:59,880 that concerns me like a I spent a lot of a lot of time 965 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:06,660 advocating for both wealth and, and I think, but it's like, we 966 01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:11,460 need to get l&d on board. But l&d will get on board. And by 967 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:17,580 the way, you talked about noster the people that are taking part 968 01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:20,970 in the nostril development, they understand the importance of 969 01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:24,630 both worlds, they do also want to support both worlds. They 970 01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:27,600 also want to use the breezes decay and to integrate breathe 971 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,790 into nostril clients. So I think I'm far more optimistic than 972 01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:33,840 than you, Adam. 973 01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,950 Adam Curry: I'm not. I'm not. No, I'm okay. Good. I'm glad 974 01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:39,810 you're optimistic. We've only been talking about it for a 975 01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:46,800 year. The nostre thing is fascinating to me. Because it's 976 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,210 such a poor, poor experience as any kind of salt. I mean, it I 977 01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:55,350 know that it's not supposed to be an if social media or you 978 01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:58,710 know, or a competitor to Twitter, I understand as 979 01:01:58,710 --> 01:02:01,410 building blocks. But this is the first application which is by 980 01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:07,380 the way, is always a drag on any new technology like okay, here's 981 01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:09,990 what we're using it for you when you say noster now, it's Agen. 982 01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:14,130 It's it's agnostic. It's like, Oh, you mean the decentralized 983 01:02:14,130 --> 01:02:18,180 Twitter. And it's far from a decentralized Twitter. It's not 984 01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:24,420 a great experience. And the only thing it's serving right now is 985 01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:27,870 people are sending each other's zaps, which I think is 986 01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:32,610 fantastic. I mean, that's it really, there's no content, all 987 01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:37,020 it is, is PV Pura Vida here, I zapped you, I love you back. 988 01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:41,820 That's all that it is. And so they have to be very careful to 989 01:02:41,820 --> 01:02:44,460 make sure that everyone understands how you because I 990 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:49,290 really believe there's a future for this. But there's so many 991 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,740 loose things hanging left and right. And, you know, having 992 01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:58,230 celebrity people like Dorsey endorsing it. And and, you know, 993 01:02:58,410 --> 01:03:01,500 throwing Thank you, thank you, and throwing money out, you 994 01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:06,450 know, SATs to get stuff going. And I really hope that it 995 01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,720 graduates from where it is right now. Because I really see a 996 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,650 future for noster as the notes over, you know, relays and 997 01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,730 things or whatever. 998 01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:17,790 Unknown: Yeah, I think the problems in noster are 999 01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:22,920 different. We can talk about that, as well. But yes, it's 1000 01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:26,430 early tech. And you can tell people like Hey, guys, let's 1001 01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:30,090 wait till we have a standard for us in payments. And then you 1002 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,300 will be able to implement your steps. They want to they're 1003 01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,780 excited, they want to implement their zaps. And then you need to 1004 01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:40,380 let them play with zaps, and they educate the market about 1005 01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:44,130 the importance of is apps instead likes instead of likes, 1006 01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:47,940 and that's a good thing. There's a lot of good, the problems with 1007 01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:51,630 noster. I think you're right to say that noster is more than a 1008 01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:57,120 platform than a Twitter are alternative. And what I would 1009 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,440 like to see is more is like the expansion of noster into other 1010 01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:04,830 other clients and into being integrated in other clients. 1011 01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:08,010 Like, what's No sir? No, sir. It's like a publish subscribe 1012 01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:12,450 model where you can receive messages that you want to 1013 01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:16,770 receive. So I don't, I'm not sure that it can. Basically, in 1014 01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:20,010 order to work efficiently, it needs to have like a fat client, 1015 01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:23,490 like a Smart Client. And then all the work is being done in 1016 01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:28,410 the in the clients. And I'm not sure users are used to the 1017 01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:33,330 experience of over over in an intelligent client because all 1018 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:37,110 the information all the logic is in the client. It's not in the 1019 01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,610 release. I have a sense I have like a feeling that realize will 1020 01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:46,260 have to evolve and be smarter and even add the GFI altering 1021 01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:52,200 the aid, the filtering and AI algorithms to provide good 1022 01:04:53,699 --> 01:04:56,339 Adam Curry: caching. I mean that's this is all the stuff 1023 01:04:56,339 --> 01:05:00,809 that years and years went into activity pub and and And even 1024 01:05:00,809 --> 01:05:04,199 though I don't, I have not looked under the hood of what 1025 01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:07,379 the relay does, I know what it does. It's like holy crap, 1026 01:05:07,379 --> 01:05:10,259 there's going to be the, again, the good thing that's come out 1027 01:05:10,259 --> 01:05:13,799 of that is, hey, you can pay to use my relay, okay, and now 1028 01:05:13,799 --> 01:05:17,219 we're talking, that's great. But there's a lot of development 1029 01:05:17,219 --> 01:05:20,189 that needs to be done on the relays before it can be really 1030 01:05:20,189 --> 01:05:22,979 functionally you kind of have to have your own relay with your 1031 01:05:22,979 --> 01:05:25,499 own group, which, by the way, is Mastodon 1032 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,210 Unknown: mastodon? Yeah, maybe. You mean, like more? Yeah, I 1033 01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:34,260 don't know, if sanskars to if it can scale to like, hundreds of 1034 01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:37,800 1000s and user of users and millions of users, maybe they 1035 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:44,130 will have to be more focused on specific use cases, specific 1036 01:05:45,060 --> 01:05:46,410 discussions in groups 1037 01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:51,390 Dave Jones: using URL and URL that's called a DDoS. Attack. I 1038 01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:54,480 mean, that's, that's probably going to be like, that's, that's 1039 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,440 the concern I have is, you know, in some ways, that noster as a 1040 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,610 replacement for Twitter was probably the worst. It's 1041 01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:05,940 probably the worst use case. Like, it would have almost been 1042 01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:09,570 better if they had gone some different route and just didn't 1043 01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:14,250 even like pure Pub Sub, subscribe, you know, mechanism, 1044 01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:17,670 instead of trying to recreate Twitter on nostril because you 1045 01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:20,880 get in there. I installed the client for the first time this 1046 01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:23,910 past week, just so I could speak and you know, understand what we 1047 01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:24,030 do. 1048 01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:27,960 Unknown: You have like 100 and 100. Clients like yeah, day by 1049 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,350 day means damos demo day with you every day. You're lucky. 1050 01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:34,800 That's the bit. Yeah, well, I've installed the Android and iOS 1051 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,990 users. So I don't have the fortune of 1052 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,950 Adam Curry: Me neither, Roy Me neither, I'm jank shit. I got, 1053 01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:45,840 I'm using Amethyst is amethyst, I don't like Amethyst, and Iris 1054 01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:47,460 Iris actually works a little better than 1055 01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:51,270 Unknown: Iris amethyst, this snore, like I use all of them. 1056 01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:55,260 Dave Jones: That is on debt. But that experience has gotten 1057 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:58,680 Unknown: better, let's say let's say a Yeah, it's early, early, 1058 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,580 early, early Tech, I am coming from an enterprise software 1059 01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:07,050 lacking enterprise software, you would never release something 1060 01:07:07,050 --> 01:07:15,120 like faster. Never. So, so it's early, early, early tech, but I 1061 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:21,420 see an impact. Like, as a user, I see a relays are more stable, 1062 01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:24,720 more robust, more serious, like I see the improvement in the US 1063 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,830 as well. Now. 1064 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,460 Dave Jones: I'm just I'm afraid when the when the when the I'm 1065 01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:32,940 just afraid when the when the kid point when the child porn 1066 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,880 stuff shows up, and there's gonna be no way to handle it. 1067 01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:38,790 And it's just gonna, the whole thing's gonna melt down because 1068 01:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,400 it's, it's a ball. It's a it's a Yeah, it can blow this thing can 1069 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,130 blow up in 1000 different ways. And I'm not sure if people are 1070 01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:51,870 prepared for the, for the blow up. Well, so that's what was 1071 01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:52,140 wrong 1072 01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:57,900 Unknown: with the blow ups. It's good, it will progress. Like it. 1073 01:08:00,870 --> 01:08:06,270 I think like I like the tech experiment, and I think that 1074 01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:10,500 will only result in like evolution and improvement. It's 1075 01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,320 not Bitcoin, like, I don't think we need to apply the Bitcoin 1076 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,980 mindset of everything needs to be like, very, very robust and 1077 01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,100 stable in order to it's a building block the, it's the 1078 01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:26,460 most basic building block, I think, in Noster, there's room 1079 01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:31,050 to make mistakes, and we should expect that things will blow up 1080 01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:34,650 and they will, and it's good. It's going to be for the good. 1081 01:08:35,190 --> 01:08:41,100 Adam Curry: The the the I just look at trends. That's kind of 1082 01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:47,160 what I do. And I see the you know, it's censorship resistant. 1083 01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:52,830 Oh, my God. Okay, no, there's no real it's just a little bit too 1084 01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:55,080 much of that marketing. Yeah, let's 1085 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,910 Unknown: talk about that. Because I think that's the key, 1086 01:08:56,910 --> 01:09:00,840 like, censorship resistance in my ass, because at the end of 1087 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,190 the day, it's an iOS app, and it's in a Google Play app. And 1088 01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:09,450 everything is being controlled by Google and Apple by the end 1089 01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:11,370 of the day. So 1090 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,070 Dave Jones: that's what I see as the most likely outcome to this 1091 01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:17,430 honestly, Roy is that we have seen this already. I mean, look 1092 01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,210 at truth, social. Look at these websites, look at these social 1093 01:09:21,210 --> 01:09:25,470 networks that got pulled front and gab and they get pulled from 1094 01:09:25,470 --> 01:09:30,630 the app stores because they didn't meet the the moderation 1095 01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:33,270 requirement. You're required. If you run a social network and put 1096 01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:36,540 that you put your social network app in the app stores. You're 1097 01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:41,250 required by Google and Apple to have a social use a to have a 1098 01:09:41,250 --> 01:09:44,790 moderation functionality. You don't have 1099 01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:50,039 Unknown: to I think I think they most did add the demo demos, 1100 01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:55,319 demos, demos, I don't know how to pronounce that. But I think 1101 01:09:55,319 --> 01:10:00,359 they added some features to be able to comply with this A 1102 01:10:00,419 --> 01:10:04,409 regulation they do have a way to market sensitive content, they 1103 01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:08,309 do have a way to filter stuff at the client that the client can 1104 01:10:08,309 --> 01:10:11,729 say I don't want to see sensitive content. So I think 1105 01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:15,959 they, they've made some work. I'm not familiar with all the 1106 01:10:15,959 --> 01:10:20,369 nips, but they added some nips in the to bed to the to deal 1107 01:10:20,369 --> 01:10:26,099 with this requirements. But if Apple won't like the most, then 1108 01:10:26,309 --> 01:10:28,199 they must want the client 1109 01:10:28,230 --> 01:10:29,910 Adam Curry: right. By the way, 1110 01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,660 Unknown: I serve today is censorship resistant in my ass. 1111 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,370 Adam Curry: I love that great ice. Alright. 1112 01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:39,510 Dave Jones: What is this ISO button this 1113 01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:42,180 Adam Curry: will they're literally transcribing the 1114 01:10:42,180 --> 01:10:47,010 podcast in real time. You do dollar sign ISO and then you 1115 01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,920 type in the words you want isolated, and it spits back an 1116 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,730 mp3. 1117 01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:53,670 Dave Jones: This is voodoo because I saw somebody do this a 1118 01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:58,140 while ago, and they misspelled the the they misspelled the 1119 01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:59,640 transcript. And it still shows. 1120 01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, Roy, you're not in the chat room probably. 1121 01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:06,450 But it's crazy. What's going on here. They literally have a bot 1122 01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:10,860 where you said I typed in dollar sign ISO censorship resistant my 1123 01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:14,490 ass and it sent back that that mp3 in the chat room on with a 1124 01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:18,000 link that yeah, this is magic. It is yeah. 1125 01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:22,530 Dave Jones: I need somebody needs to get SAS for this is 1126 01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:28,740 what it was this is incredible. Well, I don't I'm just I'm also 1127 01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:32,430 a little concerned about the I don't the bifurcation, that's 1128 01:11:32,430 --> 01:11:37,620 where we made this model of, you know, boosts in payment, you 1129 01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:41,190 know, payment methodologies, or like, spontaneous payments over 1130 01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:44,130 lightning and that kind of thing. And it feels like the nip 1131 01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:48,360 57 stuff just sort of went a completely different direction, 1132 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,430 because it's Ellen URL. 1133 01:11:50,459 --> 01:11:53,309 Adam Curry: What is that in NiP? 15? What is that I have no idea 1134 01:11:53,309 --> 01:11:54,389 what that is. That's 1135 01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:56,910 Dave Jones: zap, that's the protocol for how to do a zap. 1136 01:11:56,970 --> 01:12:02,250 Oh, and it's all based around Ellen URL, but I feel it feels 1137 01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,060 like Okay, now we have, because I think that we like we had 1138 01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:09,930 already done this, you know, done the work here to get some 1139 01:12:10,170 --> 01:12:13,290 histogram and all this stuff and over over things 1140 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:21,480 Unknown: is apps is that you want to be able to, to be you 1141 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:26,850 want the knowledge that is app was executed. A you don't get 1142 01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:32,370 that with key sand, you do get that with the beat, in theory 1143 01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:33,510 nipa 57. 1144 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,940 Dave Jones: So I'm glad you brought that up, Roy, because 1145 01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:39,870 that see, I feel like that could have been the solution to that 1146 01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:44,580 could have been Alex's just JSON payment token, which gives you a 1147 01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:49,410 payment receipt for for your keys. And in in response it 1148 01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:51,540 could in that could have been truly a synchronous, so you 1149 01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:55,200 could have you send your key send and then wait to receive a 1150 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,400 synchronously wait to receive your JpT back with your payment 1151 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,910 receipt. And like then you get the best of both worlds, you get 1152 01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:06,030 key sin without you know, without URL and URL overhead. 1153 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,480 And you get the payment receipt. Like I feel like they went off 1154 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,320 and just sort of did did this stuff, you know, without 1155 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,110 consulting, but I mean podcasting 2.0 I mean, we're, 1156 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,740 we're slinging SATs around all over the place. And if I felt 1157 01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,540 like was kind of been down with 1158 01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:28,500 Unknown: some work being done to the lightning addresses into the 1159 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,150 into the podcast in TECHSPEC. Right. So I think everything is 1160 01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:36,420 converged the widow lighting address and now the lighting 1161 01:13:36,420 --> 01:13:41,640 address is can be a key scent interface. It can be an Ellen 1162 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:48,480 URL interface, and it can be when both wealth is is a is 1163 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:55,530 popularized. It can be also both wealth. So I like I don't think 1164 01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,770 it's an issue because everything will get consolidated around 1165 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,390 lightning address at the end of the day. 1166 01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:03,600 Dave Jones: How long do you think it's going to take to get 1167 01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:10,530 to for l&d to move on bolt? 12 So just two years, I mean, no, 1168 01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:14,610 Unknown: no, no, no, there is already work being done a spiral 1169 01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:23,550 actually are funding a sorry, well, either spiral or 1170 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:29,700 chaincode. Someone is fine is funding Clara, a, a one of the 1171 01:14:29,730 --> 01:14:32,820 one of like a developer that used to work for lightning labs. 1172 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,530 On l&t Now she's working for either chain code or spiral I 1173 01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:47,850 think spiral. And she's working on this stuff at the l&d l&d 1174 01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:53,130 code base. And I think her work will be accepted and will be 1175 01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:57,360 merged in in there. What I'm trying to say there is an 1176 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:02,130 external push outside of life. In labs to integrate Bolt 11 1177 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:08,130 Bolt well features into l&d. I think I'm not sure it's 1178 01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:13,170 mandatory for l&d to support but both 12 and because I think 1179 01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:17,100 there will be other solutions. And if both If l&d wants support 1180 01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,580 both with, I think they will be the one that are left behind. 1181 01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:24,720 Dave Jones: Okay, that's good to hear. I'm glad that there's at 1182 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,880 least movement on it, because it just seemed like it was just 1183 01:15:26,910 --> 01:15:28,140 ignored for a long time. 1184 01:15:28,949 --> 01:15:33,119 Unknown: Yeah, yeah. I again, I don't want to portray the l&d 1185 01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:36,749 guys in the lightning labs guys is the bad guys here. They have 1186 01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:42,539 their on their plate. There. 95 plus percent of the nodes are 1187 01:15:42,539 --> 01:15:47,519 running their software, so I'm sure they're busy. There are 1188 01:15:47,519 --> 01:15:52,379 some, by the way, it's not just with l&d. I think the challenge 1189 01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,459 if you're talking about issues and problems with lightning at 1190 01:15:56,459 --> 01:15:59,939 will, and we were doing like a SWOT analysis for lightning, I 1191 01:15:59,939 --> 01:16:08,069 think the the fact that every implementation push for their 1192 01:16:08,069 --> 01:16:12,899 own protocol agenda, that's the main problem of, of lightning 1193 01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:19,319 LDK are pushing to their own direction a lot, l&d are pushing 1194 01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:24,029 into their own direction as sink and, and seelen as well. So 1195 01:16:24,029 --> 01:16:25,079 that's the problem. 1196 01:16:25,409 --> 01:16:27,149 Dave Jones: We see the same thing in podcasting. And every 1197 01:16:27,179 --> 01:16:31,199 every podcast app, pushes in their own direction and does 1198 01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,859 their own thing. And then it really you end up with most most 1199 01:16:34,859 --> 01:16:36,749 of the time, it's, it's a beautiful thing, because 1200 01:16:36,749 --> 01:16:41,399 everybody sort of adheres to a common common base protocol of 1201 01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:43,769 sort of a common way of doing things. And it's, it's great, 1202 01:16:43,769 --> 01:16:47,279 but then there's, if you get, there's a level of complexity 1203 01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:51,269 that you want to reach to do a specific thing. And it just kind 1204 01:16:51,269 --> 01:16:53,819 of falls down because everybody's going their own way. 1205 01:16:53,819 --> 01:16:57,269 So you there's, I guess we're anytime you get this much level 1206 01:16:57,269 --> 01:16:59,969 of decentralization, it's not, you're always going to fight 1207 01:16:59,969 --> 01:17:02,099 these battles. And we're going to have some visually 1208 01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,710 Unknown: around the bruises standard standardization. I 1209 01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:08,670 don't know how you can do the sometimes discussion discussions 1210 01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:12,750 like I always opt out at some point like I can, like everyone 1211 01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:17,760 has an opinion. And it's very, very, very hard to 1212 01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:19,680 Adam Curry: oh, this is exactly this is exactly what happened 1213 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,980 with podcasting for 10 years, everyone had an opinion, they 1214 01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:28,950 had groups and steering committees and and nonprofits 1215 01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:34,530 and industry groups. And now, ultimately, everybody is in it 1216 01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:39,210 for their own business. And that only works that only works if 1217 01:17:39,210 --> 01:17:42,810 everyone's a part of the money flow. That I think is not going 1218 01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:46,530 to say it until I until I spit my last breath into the into the 1219 01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:50,340 microphone. That is what podcasting 2.0 That's why it 1220 01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,540 works because everybody has an opportunity to get into the flow 1221 01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:58,020 of the money no matter what you're doing. That's the secret. 1222 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,360 And even the communist don't know it. 1223 01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:04,710 Unknown: Yes, friend. Yeah. So I think part of the problem with 1224 01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:09,690 lightning that lightning is still looking for a go to market 1225 01:18:09,690 --> 01:18:15,630 fit. So the money isn't really there. So it's the groups like 1226 01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:19,740 the various implementation, they can't really aligned around the 1227 01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:24,510 requirements, because everyone has their own requirements, and 1228 01:18:24,510 --> 01:18:26,850 they think they have a different, like slightly 1229 01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:31,770 different product market fit. And that's a problem. 1230 01:18:32,459 --> 01:18:34,289 Adam Curry: Well, I'm not quite sure I understood what you just 1231 01:18:34,289 --> 01:18:34,829 said there. 1232 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,350 Unknown: I mean, lightning is still looking for, like l&d is 1233 01:18:40,350 --> 01:18:46,560 focused on an enterprise I structure. Yeah. LDK are 1234 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:52,560 focusing on mobile clients, a CLN are focusing on cloud 1235 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:53,160 environment. 1236 01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:56,790 Adam Curry: No one's focused on an actual real world 1237 01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:57,630 application. 1238 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,060 Unknown: No, no, it's an infrastructure. Yes, it's an 1239 01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:03,840 infrastructure work. And we don't really know, we don't see 1240 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,460 the money yet. Let's be honest. If the money was there, I think 1241 01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:13,200 everyone will be able to align around like, the priorities and 1242 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:16,500 in the what requirements are more important than others, but 1243 01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:17,550 doesn't happen right now. 1244 01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:20,280 Adam Curry: Well, that all depends on what you what you 1245 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,630 define the money as being I mean, we we've we've amassed a 1246 01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:29,010 full Bitcoin over the course of the project so far. We're I 1247 01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:32,160 mean, we would starve if that's what we had to live on, but 1248 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,070 we're pretty happy. I mean, it's like a magic money machine to 1249 01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:35,490 me. 1250 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,120 Dave Jones: But the bolt that brings me back, that's what I 1251 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,180 was talking about Bolt 12 is because if you want to look at 1252 01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:46,350 anything that's an actual real world use application, it seems 1253 01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:49,410 to me that the only there's two things that have floated to the 1254 01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,050 top in the lightning world that are real world use applications. 1255 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,410 One is remittance payments across borders, international 1256 01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:59,400 borders. That's that's a legit use case that's actually 1257 01:19:59,730 --> 01:20:02,580 powered. We're in a lot of a lot of financial improvement 1258 01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,960 people's lives. And the other one is spontaneous payments for 1259 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,580 created works, whether it's podcasting 2.0, or whatever or a 1260 01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:15,030 zap over Nasr would spawn take you have you have remittance 1261 01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,060 payments, which are fine for an actual food, you're fine to do 1262 01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:22,230 with invoices, pre generated invoices. But then the big, the 1263 01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:26,670 big 100 800 pound gorilla for use case with lightning is 1264 01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:31,470 spontaneous payments in response to immediate demand created 1265 01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:33,000 work. And so 1266 01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:34,530 Unknown: that again, that means 1267 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,090 Dave Jones: that the 12 Yeah, 1268 01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:40,320 Unknown: you need both. Well, first to let out let's talk 1269 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,440 about the use cases that you just presented remittance for 1270 01:20:43,470 --> 01:20:46,830 some people in the lightning community remittance mean, you 1271 01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:53,130 need to support stable coins. Online. That means Tarot lnd, 1272 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,250 lightning labs are focused on thorough and thorough means 1273 01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:59,370 TabPro channels, temporal channels require a lot of work. 1274 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:04,260 So challenging? Yeah. 1275 01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:08,610 Adam Curry: Well, and with that comes a misnomer. And I still 1276 01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:14,160 read it. We were reading an article today. The the concept 1277 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,000 of value for value versus tipping, I think most 1278 01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:22,110 development organizations, see what we're doing is Oh, that's 1279 01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,800 tipping. And yeah, if you consider it to be tipping, then 1280 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:28,110 out the end of the game, you're gonna get a fraction of the tip. 1281 01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:30,360 You know, it's like, you're not, you're not going to make a lot. 1282 01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:33,780 But as Dave pointed out at the intro, you got to think about 1283 01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:39,390 the instant What do you say Dave? About for creative work, 1284 01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:39,900 you know, 1285 01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:42,210 Dave Jones: taneous, payments, spontaneous payment, 1286 01:21:42,420 --> 01:21:46,980 Adam Curry: spontaneous payment for creative work. I mean, it's, 1287 01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:51,390 it's an industry that is hundreds of billions of dollars, 1288 01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:53,370 we just haven't figured out how to capture it yet. 1289 01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:58,680 Dave Jones: I mean, people have spent Sol million a million set 1290 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,450 zap the other day to think think to Africa, who was to, and then 1291 01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:07,320 I mean, we've gotten the 5 million set, Buena Vista Grande, 1292 01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:09,990 like these are, these are significant amounts of money 1293 01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:12,060 that are going through spontaneous payments. So I think 1294 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,870 I mean, if they lean into that, I think it would really help 1295 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,650 people, you know, to know the way forward because everybody 1296 01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:22,170 you talked to says, Well, what keys and you know, that's hacky? 1297 01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:26,190 I would like to use something that's not hacky. That will be 1298 01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:26,610 great. 1299 01:22:27,540 --> 01:22:31,650 Unknown: Yeah, I agree. I think all the all the people in the 1300 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,310 ecosystem agree around the use cases, it's not just about the 1301 01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:39,990 use cases is how to go about implementing these use cases. 1302 01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:44,520 Right. Some think it should be completely decentralized, some 1303 01:22:44,610 --> 01:22:47,760 thing that we need to work on building custodial 1304 01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,440 infrastructure, that means enterprise a solution, 1305 01:22:52,530 --> 01:22:56,190 enterprise grade solutions. Again, with a stable coin, 1306 01:22:56,190 --> 01:23:00,060 something we need to add, we must add a stable coin layer in 1307 01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:05,430 order to popularize the solution. So it's not just about 1308 01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:08,250 the user. Let's see. For example, let's take a concrete 1309 01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:14,760 example. A remittance now you can do, using strike a bit No by 1310 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,900 pouch like there are the way that remittance are working on 1311 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:24,870 top of lightning right now is using custodial applications, 1312 01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:30,450 that gives you integration with existing Fiat systems. That's 1313 01:23:30,450 --> 01:23:33,810 the way that you do remittance on top of lightning right now. 1314 01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:40,620 And there are some people in the ecosystem that we that think 1315 01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:44,790 that we need to keep remittance in Fiat. That's why 1316 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,920 Adam Curry: That's why right. But they're building a real 1317 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,380 world solution for their own benefit instead of thinking 1318 01:23:52,380 --> 01:24:00,990 further down the road. A so that specifically strike they use 1319 01:24:00,990 --> 01:24:04,230 stable coins, all kinds of stuff to get it into Fiat on the other 1320 01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:08,790 end. And so they want they're forcing a use case, which is not 1321 01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:12,420 necessarily the best for lightning long term. 1322 01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:16,170 Unknown: That again, like in Bitcoin and in lighting in 1323 01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:20,280 general, the best for lightning the best for Bitcoin is 1324 01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:23,520 dependent on the community and the people that are building the 1325 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,640 solution and there is no consensus around what's best for 1326 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,590 lightning. What's best for Bitcoin? Well, like it's, by 1327 01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:35,820 definition, it's it's inherently there's no one answer to that. 1328 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,690 And since there's, there's no a single answer to that. There. 1329 01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:44,370 You have different people pulling in different directions. 1330 01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:49,500 Dave Jones: So when when can I build the breeze SDK? Like when 1331 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,690 is when can I build it? 1332 01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,490 Unknown: Come on, Dave. Just 1333 01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:56,910 Dave Jones: but you said you said I needed green light 1334 01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:59,610 though. You said I needed the green light port part. Right. 1335 01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:02,730 Unknown: Oh, it oh, sorry, that's my bad, I didn't give you 1336 01:25:02,730 --> 01:25:06,300 a green light access. Okay, now what we try to do what we try to 1337 01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:11,640 do, we try to upload the crate into a repo that you won't have 1338 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,390 to build the bruises decay, I don't know. So I waited for the 1339 01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:18,750 team to get that done in order to give you like access to the 1340 01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:22,680 Create, instead of forcing you to build the SDK. Currently, the 1341 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,510 early design, we're in the early alpha stage, let's just put 1342 01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:32,190 that, put that out there. And we're working with the selected 1343 01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:37,140 design partners that are already working and building and giving 1344 01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:41,520 us feedback on the SDK. But in order to do that, you need to 1345 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,030 greenlight access, I wanted to help Dave and spearing the need 1346 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:50,790 to build the SDK and upload the crate to our repo. I need to 1347 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:52,980 check where where we are. We're clearly 1348 01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:56,910 Adam Curry: not a partner Dave just went on. When I did 1349 01:25:56,910 --> 01:26:00,480 partner, partner exit, we're not good partners. Oh, I'm sorry, 1350 01:26:00,660 --> 01:26:08,010 partner, my mother and now I'm like a Jewish woman. Okay. I 1351 01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:10,350 want to bring your attention to something which I'm very excited 1352 01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:15,090 about, which I am sure will be one of the first to integrate 1353 01:26:15,090 --> 01:26:18,840 this. And that's the music side project music side. project.com. 1354 01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:23,790 Yeah. Just so you know that, you know, we're starting to, we're 1355 01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:29,730 using a 2.0 namespace to tag music in the in the index. This 1356 01:26:29,730 --> 01:26:32,760 is Steven B's project, who does a curio caster and sovereign 1357 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,970 feeds. It's it's fantastic. 1358 01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:39,570 Unknown: I love the White Lake are using the same Yes, 1359 01:26:39,570 --> 01:26:40,830 unification. Yeah, yeah. 1360 01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:44,730 Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think wavelike put 100 100 artists 1361 01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:47,130 into the index. Dave, what happened there? Exactly. Yeah, 1362 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,900 Dave Jones: they're Yeah, they're letting their light in 1363 01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:50,610 their whole catalogue up as it comes in. 1364 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,480 Adam Curry: It's beautiful. 1365 01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:53,850 Unknown: It's beautiful. You agree, Adam, that in order to 1366 01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,210 support music, we need a separate dedicated user 1367 01:26:57,210 --> 01:26:58,590 experience for music, right? 1368 01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:59,940 Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that what you're building? 1369 01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:05,280 Unknown: Anyone will be able to build it using the freezes 1370 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,570 decay. But that's 1371 01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:08,970 Adam Curry: what music side project is ready for? I mean, 1372 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,950 it's, it's a web app right now. But I, I'm I like web apps 1373 01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:18,690 personally. I'm okay with that. So use it out of the box without 1374 01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,400 any of the the wakeup stuff. 1375 01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:26,820 Unknown: If the integrated breezes decay into their server, 1376 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,170 Adam Curry: sure, sure. Sure. 1377 01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,870 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I that's what I want the 1378 01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:34,590 breeze SDK for, I want to, I want to have use cases for it on 1379 01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:38,250 our, on our node. I mean, we do a lot of stuff. So I want to, 1380 01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:42,210 you know, I want to get in there and start and start using, I've 1381 01:27:42,210 --> 01:27:45,240 got, I've got ideas, and it's mine is gonna be totally a 1382 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,200 server side thing. And, you know, we don't do apps. So yeah, 1383 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,510 I mean, I think the server use case to me is the most 1384 01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:53,970 straightforward right out of the box. You just go you just hit it 1385 01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:56,160 and go. Yeah, but that doesn't 1386 01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,060 Unknown: mean that we're in between NF T's or something, 1387 01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:00,270 right? 1388 01:28:00,510 --> 01:28:03,780 Adam Curry: Oh, yes. More. ordinals please, more ordinals 1389 01:28:03,780 --> 01:28:05,790 yay. We love ordinals 1390 01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:09,120 Dave Jones: Yeah. We want to thank some people. 1391 01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:12,660 Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness is at that time already? Yeah, we 1392 01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:16,740 Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm going I'm all lightning out here. Yes, of 1393 01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:20,100 course we do. Hold on a second. Let me thank some of the people 1394 01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:23,700 who have been sending in some booster grams while we were lips 1395 01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:28,080 and a millennial. 5432 don't know if you've heard but I so 1396 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,610 bought us cotton gins baby seems value split worthy to me. I 1397 01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:37,140 would love to use the isobar all the time in every show. I do. 1398 01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:42,900 Let me know where I can sign up. I love I love getting access to 1399 01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:45,720 services by adding a split in the value block. It is one of 1400 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,670 the most exciting things a podcaster could do. A nice 1401 01:28:50,940 --> 01:28:55,080 Unknown: problem by the way I them. Like I like the amount of 1402 01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:59,550 splits that we have in podcast index is I don't know if it's 1403 01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:00,960 good. But 1404 01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:05,250 Adam Curry: hold. You can't just lob that out there and just say 1405 01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:07,140 I don't know if that's good. What I'm telling me what's 1406 01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:08,190 wrong, what's happening. 1407 01:29:09,570 --> 01:29:12,570 Unknown: I think it's good for boosts meaning how many splits 1408 01:29:12,570 --> 01:29:15,720 you have right now eight or nine or 10 or something on this show 1409 01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:18,840 Adam Curry: on this show and the show. It's alive. No, hold on. 1410 01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:26,280 Hold on. Hold on. We have. I'll tell you right now. Value 1411 01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:31,680 123456. So we had eight but after that comment, we have 1412 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,170 seven. We're taking you out 1413 01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:42,390 Unknown: at the edit at the app split as well, so 1414 01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:46,290 Adam Curry: and podcasts index, so there's 10 Probably 1010 1415 01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:50,250 Coming Yes. Now. I'm sure that's not efficient is what you're 1416 01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:50,940 going to say. 1417 01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:55,290 Unknown: And it's okay when you do boost for streaming sets per 1418 01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:56,760 minute, I think. 1419 01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:59,640 Adam Curry: But you're you're caching them but you're I mean 1420 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:00,330 everyone I'm 1421 01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:03,750 Unknown: smart. That's what I Yeah. So you have a way to work 1422 01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:07,590 around this stuff by doing like client side cache, right? But it 1423 01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:10,830 means that you have to have like, again, back to the Smart 1424 01:30:10,830 --> 01:30:14,130 Client problem. You need to have a smarter client to deal with 1425 01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:14,880 issues. 1426 01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:20,460 Adam Curry: Got it? Yeah, I got Okay. Well, luckily breezes very 1427 01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,640 smart about that. Right. 1428 01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:27,150 Unknown: I like them software. I don't like soft smart software. 1429 01:30:27,390 --> 01:30:28,260 Adam Curry: Okay. Well, 1430 01:30:28,890 --> 01:30:30,270 Dave Jones: I believe I believe that too. 1431 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,900 Adam Curry: I mean, I see the problems obviously, but but Bolt 1432 01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,060 12 will fix all that. Just tell me that's true. 1433 01:30:36,090 --> 01:30:39,450 Dave Jones: Well, smart, smart software. The problem with smart 1434 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,940 software is it can't ever be smart enough. And so that you're 1435 01:30:44,940 --> 01:30:47,130 you always there's always going to be a hole. Yeah. 1436 01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:52,320 Adam Curry: Or, or maybe it's time to abstract that. Can we 1437 01:30:52,320 --> 01:31:00,960 have a boost class? So, so so? Stop, okay. I'm sorry. Come on, 1438 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,290 man. This was a good idea. So you know, the podcast index 1439 01:31:04,290 --> 01:31:07,320 boost class would be you me the index, you know, a couple of 1440 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,750 things. We stick in there and just one address and it splits 1441 01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:13,800 somewhere else down the line? Is that crazy? Okay? Stopped 1442 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,880 blueberry. See? It's not what? 1443 01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:20,850 Unknown: It's not crazy. Dave? 1444 01:31:22,590 --> 01:31:29,880 Adam Curry: My new friend Roy's boost class. Okay, I'm just 1445 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,540 saying the reason I think we made this up with the remote 1446 01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:38,160 item. If I play a song on a new podcast that I'm going to do, 1447 01:31:38,430 --> 01:31:42,510 and I'm playing new music from from the index, and I want to 1448 01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:47,820 boost I want to boost that product, which by itself may 1449 01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,910 have eight splits because of you know, who wrote it, who compose 1450 01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:54,180 it, who played the guitar, who sang, etc. That would be a boost 1451 01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:58,350 class. So I would send an amount which would be a split of my 1452 01:31:58,350 --> 01:32:01,380 show to that class, and that class would then split it 1453 01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:02,970 individually. Yeah, 1454 01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:05,490 Unknown: yeah. And technically I don't want to get too geeky 1455 01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:08,730 about it, you can do that maybe you can do that with bolt 12 1456 01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,990 Because that will allow you both will allow you to unlock keys 1457 01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:18,930 and there is interaction with the with the with the pay before 1458 01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:23,340 you pay them so they can initiate a new type of invoice 1459 01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,860 which is kind of similar to hold invoice where the entity that 1460 01:32:28,860 --> 01:32:33,180 will do the splits later on. They can take the funds but they 1461 01:32:33,180 --> 01:32:38,250 will be able to create an invoice you send the funds to to 1462 01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:43,500 that to that entity and they can split the funds later on. Using 1463 01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:45,360 the invoice This 1464 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,670 Dave Jones: is a Bitcoin bubble study that's this is exactly 1465 01:32:47,670 --> 01:32:47,850 what 1466 01:32:47,850 --> 01:32:52,050 Adam Curry: this is. You're back in the split. Okay. Boober 1467 01:32:52,050 --> 01:32:55,830 11,111 Cheers to IRC and the badass is who make it the 1468 01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:58,770 hottest spot with bots on the internet to hang Is it possible 1469 01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:02,430 to boost by IRC? I think it is actually I think there's some 1470 01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:06,630 I'm sure something has been done on IRC one of the oldest chat 1471 01:33:06,630 --> 01:33:12,270 mechanisms on the internet still fantastic today, Lyceum was 1472 01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:16,410 1776. Good to hear Roy's future plans. Liberty boost. What is 1473 01:33:16,410 --> 01:33:21,090 the acronym SDK stands for software development kit. Best 1474 01:33:21,090 --> 01:33:24,690 premises? That's Martin Linda's koge Tea Party media podcast. 1475 01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:31,290 Chat F with 3333 He says with neural link you'll be able to 1476 01:33:31,290 --> 01:33:33,600 download podcasts straight to your brain. No listening 1477 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,100 required. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yes. And the boosts will be 1478 01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,050 extra, extra nutritious. 1479 01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:42,509 Dave Jones: Yeah, you put the breeze SDK into a noncustodial 1480 01:33:42,509 --> 01:33:43,199 ready brain 1481 01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:47,040 Adam Curry: 15,000 from Matt madeiros. Thank you Matt. Always 1482 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,510 be closing Dave like check out the podcast. setup.com Douche 1483 01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:56,730 mode activated two times speed. His brain is so fried and we 1484 01:33:56,730 --> 01:33:58,020 don't even know what you're talking about. 1485 01:34:00,180 --> 01:34:01,470 Dave Jones: Just word salad. It 1486 01:34:02,369 --> 01:34:04,889 Adam Curry: happens. That's what happens to you. Chat F another 1487 01:34:04,889 --> 01:34:08,909 3333 We are experiencing the death of Fiat podcasting. Yes, 1488 01:34:08,909 --> 01:34:14,039 we are exactly what's going on. I like PF FP See ya fiyat 1489 01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:20,459 podcasting, the Fiat industrial podcast complex. With another 1490 01:34:20,459 --> 01:34:23,009 one while doing my V for V reports. I tried listening to 1491 01:34:23,009 --> 01:34:27,569 the donation sections at 1.25x and couldn't even do it. Yes, 1492 01:34:27,839 --> 01:34:32,909 Chad has taken upon Himself to a document how much we receive in 1493 01:34:32,909 --> 01:34:37,139 value for value and Fiat and on each basically the whole podcast 1494 01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:41,339 index podcast and 2.0 project, which is interesting. I hope 1495 01:34:41,339 --> 01:34:44,789 he's going to charge it because I'm not quite sure middle 1496 01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:48,090 Dave Jones: name is is Chad Excel fair. And that's right, 1497 01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:54,210 Adam Curry: sir Spencer 42,069 SATs Laureen and I would like to 1498 01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,880 thank you by the way, I'd like to invite the board and all 1499 01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,970 interested parties out in the promoting stuff to our upcoming 1500 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,660 bowls with buds featuring the legendary podsafe Dave Dave 1501 01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:10,290 Jones this Sunday Live Live Live Sunday after no agenda. This 1502 01:35:10,290 --> 01:35:13,410 week was the one year anniversary of live items debut, 1503 01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:16,740 which took place the last time Dave was on That's right. 1504 01:35:17,310 --> 01:35:21,240 February 20 2022. That was the and that was just two days 1505 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:26,070 before the Ukraine war. Yeah. So we'll be talking live items 1506 01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:29,760 first year in retrospect and where we go next go live go 1507 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:36,900 podcast. Go podcast a lot of good boots today Lyceum super 1508 01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:43,950 row of ducks. 22,222 ducks in a row. Congrats on the new domain 1509 01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:47,520 name pot. Yes, podcast. apps.com. That is again. Martin 1510 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:54,840 Interscope. Blueberry back. I 7777 says you're not even my 1511 01:35:54,840 --> 01:36:00,480 real dad. Do we talk I guess it goes back to the beginning of 1512 01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:06,570 the show. Eric p p Thank you got your mail Eric p p 33,333. 1513 01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:10,380 pillow for podcasting. That's for for Roy with his pillow fort 1514 01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:15,750 built up around this his setup. Blueberry, boost the groove with 1515 01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:24,630 another 3333 and let's see we have tone wrecker. 20202 Nice 1516 01:36:24,630 --> 01:36:29,340 20,202 music projects on value for value are ripping along 1517 01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:32,550 seeing more artists testing the waters each week need to work 1518 01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:34,980 with Steven B to get some artists released or catalog 1519 01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:38,580 filter with a cap on so I don't overrun what is displaying in 1520 01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:42,180 initial feed on the music side project site. Just excited to 1521 01:36:42,180 --> 01:36:45,600 test and learn not dominate over additional artists appearing in 1522 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,130 pages. Not sure again, do stop loosened at normal speed. We 1523 01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:51,300 can't understand what you're saying. 1524 01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:55,200 Dave Jones: He's flat. He's flooding his own. 1525 01:36:56,940 --> 01:37:03,780 Adam Curry: Shop and Oh, Todd Cochran 150,020, 1526 01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:06,000 Unknown: his blades on the Impala. 1527 01:37:06,030 --> 01:37:08,370 Adam Curry: He says big thank you to the fountain team and 1528 01:37:08,370 --> 01:37:12,060 getting their app demo video out. Oh, do we miss a demo 1529 01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:17,040 video? Wow, that's fine. That pure listener and podcasts are 1530 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:21,210 marketing videos like this are needed. Indeed. apps need to be 1531 01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:25,530 promoting hosting companies need to be promoting we that's not 1532 01:37:25,530 --> 01:37:30,030 what we do. Clearly. Also, People's Choice Podcast Awards. 1533 01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:33,720 Registration is open be nice to honor a stack of podcasting 2.0 1534 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,410 podcast it would be indeed, although I get my awards, right 1535 01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:41,040 online, where it shows that we're the top earner. That's the 1536 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,290 awards for me every week. Hey, we're on top again. At podcast 1537 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:50,040 awards.com There you go. We have our round two blueberry 1538 01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:54,360 blueberry stack of new features planned for the GUI meeting next 1539 01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,050 week. Let's keep the ball rolling, go podcasting podcast a 1540 01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:03,660 nice, thank you very, very much Todd, that Todd man. job will be 1541 01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:06,780 the one to implement my idea. By the way, give people a wallet, 1542 01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,320 get that get that breeze SDK integrated right into your stack 1543 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,310 there. So you don't have to do anything but call a one API call 1544 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:19,680 and and insert yourself into the ever growing list of splits. And 1545 01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,050 just take that take 20% right off the top of your free 1546 01:38:22,050 --> 01:38:26,490 account. Free Account. Go ahead. But you have to do 2.0 1547 01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:29,100 Dave Jones: And I'm always surprised at the people like 1548 01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:32,010 Dave, Dave Weiner this week said podcasting. 2.0 is a terrible 1549 01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:33,120 name. The guy 1550 01:38:33,180 --> 01:38:37,890 Adam Curry: the guy who the guy who used RSS 2.0 Please give me 1551 01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:38,550 a break. 1552 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,030 Dave Jones: At least I'm always stunned at the people who are 1553 01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:45,390 shocked that about our lack of marketing skills and like this, 1554 01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:48,570 you should you should know this by now. Well, this is not what 1555 01:38:48,570 --> 01:38:49,200 we do. I can 1556 01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,130 Adam Curry: tell you Dave whiners. Head is is crooked, and 1557 01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:57,210 it's very much in the Leo Laporte arena. Because when he 1558 01:38:57,210 --> 01:39:00,120 says I know how he thinks, and this is why we don't get along. 1559 01:39:00,330 --> 01:39:02,820 You think Oh, Adam is trying to capture something for himself 1560 01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:06,330 called a podcasting. 2.0 In fact, I am on record literally 1561 01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:09,030 saying podcasting. 2.0 is just podcasting. 1562 01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:12,480 Dave Jones: Yes, you have said this 1000 times Yeah, and you 1563 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,940 gotta call it something you can't call it roast beef. I 1564 01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:17,430 mean, we gotta call it something so I mean, just grab something 1565 01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:18,990 out of the air or whatever. 1566 01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:22,110 Adam Curry: It's it's a double edged sword sword you know, I 1567 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,460 guess it's I'm I'm slipping like a mofo. It's so it's so bad. 1568 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,210 Dave Jones: It's only been a week. Let me rescue you. 1569 01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:34,500 Adam Curry: Just I just need to. If I push the bottom lip, see if 1570 01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:38,760 I push press the lip against my decrepit hole between the 1571 01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:44,190 temporary teeth and my gums. It's gone. What tape? I'm gonna 1572 01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:46,320 go have some scotch tape. Paula, you'd start reading those. We'll 1573 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:46,830 be right back. 1574 01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:53,340 Dave Jones: Marco $500 Marco Arment. Thank you very much 1575 01:39:53,670 --> 01:39:58,770 comes in every month and we're hopefully doing a project with 1576 01:39:58,770 --> 01:40:03,630 Dan Benjamin's So Marco was gracious enough to give Dan some 1577 01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:08,250 feature that he needed in his in his APS were market market and 1578 01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:11,790 very much appreciated in this. Hopefully we'll get some 2.0 1579 01:40:11,790 --> 01:40:20,730 stuff Adam soon. Buzzsprout also 500 dollars.com 20 1580 01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:23,070 Unknown: blades on I am Paula. I 1581 01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:25,230 Adam Curry: just heard that as I was coming back, hold on, let me 1582 01:40:25,230 --> 01:40:27,930 just Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on 1583 01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:34,170 Dave Jones: You take the bottom lip. 1584 01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:39,240 Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, let me see. I'm taping it. Oh, this put 1585 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,800 one under my lip here. Tighter. Yeah, later. Okay. Now it 1586 01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:52,050 doesn't work. And it hurts. And thank you, Marco. I just was 1587 01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:54,720 walking out to get the tape. I heard Marco. Thank you so much 1588 01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:55,200 Marco. 1589 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,530 Dave Jones: And the boys from Buzzsprout we appreciate them 1590 01:40:58,530 --> 01:41:02,580 every month and they if they get stuff coming to so we're 1591 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,530 Adam Curry: What do you mean they got us off? Come they got 1592 01:41:04,530 --> 01:41:05,760 new stuff coming up. The kids 1593 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,840 Dave Jones: keep telling you what they got. 1594 01:41:08,220 --> 01:41:10,680 Adam Curry: We got secrets now. Okay. All right. Yes. I'm 1595 01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,370 Dave Jones: Tom told me. 1596 01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,140 Adam Curry: Roy. Roy, let's not tape tell Dave about that thing. 1597 01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:16,590 Okay. 1598 01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,700 Dave Jones: Fine. Yeah, fine. No, no, you don't need another 1599 01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:26,730 paper. You don't just I'm just gonna read it. I'm just gonna 1600 01:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,130 tell you the Joshua Hoover gave us $150 1601 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:30,150 Adam Curry: Holy crap. 1602 01:41:31,980 --> 01:41:35,880 Unknown: Shot call those blades on him. Paulo is 1603 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,140 Adam Curry: this post, 1604 01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:40,290 Dave Jones: Joshua Hoover from the podcast index dot social. 1605 01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:42,420 He's working on some. He's working on some stuff. And I 1606 01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:44,070 helped him this week with some API. 1607 01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:47,730 Adam Curry: That's nice. Thank you very much is me. He says 1608 01:41:47,730 --> 01:41:49,800 Dave Jones: Keep up the great work. Adam and Dave. And we 1609 01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,780 will. Yes, thank you, Josh. Appreciate it. We got some Mr. 1610 01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:58,290 Graham's we'll see when we scroll to the top of my booster 1611 01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:02,310 grant. Oh, here we go. How was writes in us a reset as Angela 1612 01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:06,450 Richards 1111 He says I saw the live tag on pod verse and I felt 1613 01:42:06,450 --> 01:42:11,010 compelled to boost Yes, that's how it works boost. Absurd event 1614 01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:17,670 since it's 100,000 sets and he says hey ho and go podcasting 1615 01:42:18,030 --> 01:42:24,060 Adam Curry: podcast. I should probably mention last week right 1616 01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:30,540 now someone midweek on the on chain. Tally coin. Dred Scott 1617 01:42:30,570 --> 01:42:32,160 80,000 SATs. 1618 01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:35,370 Dave Jones: No, the only guy the only guy who really 1619 01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,610 Adam Curry: the only person who ever uses an on chain donation. 1620 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,890 Just goes to show 1621 01:42:41,310 --> 01:42:44,370 Dave Jones: he went old school in the middle of a mempool 1622 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,820 hurricane to you probably paid fees for that. And he's 1623 01:42:47,820 --> 01:42:51,720 Adam Curry: like, Honey Badger just He don't care. She doesn't 1624 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:52,080 care you. 1625 01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:55,320 Dave Jones: Thank you obsidian for those 100,000 says 1626 01:42:55,320 --> 01:43:00,150 appreciate that so much. Hard Hat 101 A one. there Curio, 1627 01:43:00,150 --> 01:43:04,500 Catherine no note thank you. I've had chat F 3333 Is this 1628 01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:07,170 beef milkshake ain't right is a phrase I never want to hear 1629 01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:12,030 again. booths. I'm telling you when I was just a big chunk 1630 01:43:14,580 --> 01:43:18,810 Adam Curry: to eat it was so nasty. Yeah, a big chunk in your 1631 01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:20,970 milkshake. It's just also wrong. 1632 01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:25,470 Dave Jones: Melissa texted me a second ago and said beef, beef 1633 01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:28,380 bugs on the front porch. So I'm good to go after the show. 1634 01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:31,320 Adam Curry: We can see another Yeah, nice. Yep. 1635 01:43:32,010 --> 01:43:34,560 Dave Jones: A nine of woodland Shire. Oh, that's a beautiful 1636 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:39,690 name a nun of woodland Shire? 99,950 SAS through pod verse. 1637 01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:44,280 Wow says he or she says I think I just purchased Bitcoin for the 1638 01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,250 first time to participate in the V for V. I hope I did this 1639 01:43:47,250 --> 01:43:51,450 right? Isn't the amount very little or am I being cheap? Cat 1640 01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,840 Adam Curry: 99,000 That's just a little. Um, you know what? I'm 1641 01:43:54,840 --> 01:44:00,750 gonna throw in a couple of stats and give you 20 blades on the 1642 01:44:00,750 --> 01:44:04,410 hem Paula? Yeah, we don't have a set sound I guess. 1643 01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:06,780 Dave Jones: We don't eat on it's like the penny drill. Yeah, we 1644 01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:10,470 don't have Penny. No. When you look at digital digitized 1645 01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:17,880 version of whatever. There it is. Yeah, thank you anon of 1646 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,500 woodland show. Macintosh 2121 through fountain. He says I love 1647 01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:25,560 the idea of a searchable index of transcripts. Index of the 1648 01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,710 data isn't hard. It's the putting together of meaningful 1649 01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:32,010 complex searches. But I would personally use it multiple times 1650 01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:35,610 a week if it happened to be available. Anyways, we can dream 1651 01:44:35,610 --> 01:44:38,100 right? Go podcasting, Macintosh. 1652 01:44:40,350 --> 01:44:44,250 Adam Curry: Big up to the same Steven B. Once again, transcript 1653 01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:49,620 transcript DAST search dot versal dot app. It's in the show 1654 01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:54,150 notes. He has created a very basic transcript search which I 1655 01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:59,490 have used five times this week already. This is so genius I 1656 01:44:59,490 --> 01:45:03,030 mean that You have to tell you can search the directory now. So 1657 01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:08,760 oh wow, podcasting. 2.0 you typed that in and then it gives 1658 01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,730 you okay, you select the podcast, and then you want to 1659 01:45:11,730 --> 01:45:16,800 search for a term, but search for douche. And oh actually 1660 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,550 12345 but a whole bunch of episodes where we use the term 1661 01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:24,450 do show Oh my goodness. And you can click on it and then it 1662 01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:28,350 shows you it shows you the whole rundown and then you can 1663 01:45:28,350 --> 01:45:33,090 actually click on the click on the time and it gives you the 1664 01:45:33,090 --> 01:45:40,470 audio or hearing this message that's how fast it goes. I mean, 1665 01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:44,100 that is phenomenal. It needs a domain name. I'm gonna I'm gonna 1666 01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:48,570 buy a domain name for your Stevens. I love this. He has a 1667 01:45:48,810 --> 01:45:52,470 you know, he asked for transcript search tool for for 1668 01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:56,550 some support. I would put you my you should lock this down to 1669 01:45:56,550 --> 01:46:00,660 only people who put you in their split split number 14 for my 1670 01:46:00,660 --> 01:46:01,680 podcast now. 1671 01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:05,880 Unknown: Yeah, I wonder out this trust free software will deal 1672 01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,510 with my Israeli accent. I think the software 1673 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,020 Adam Curry: you know, while it's only as good as the transcripts, 1674 01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:18,420 I mean, I guess because I have I do transcripts interesting. I 1675 01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:22,440 don't know. I don't know it does pretty well with stuff like 1676 01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:22,770 that. 1677 01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:26,910 Dave Jones: When you said when you said my ass a while ago, it 1678 01:46:26,910 --> 01:46:29,940 picked that up pretty quick. It was it was on top of the game. 1679 01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:38,160 Yeah. Nailed though. Let's see we got gene been 4096 cents. 1680 01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:42,300 That's a that's a 4k killer boost is what that is found. He 1681 01:46:42,300 --> 01:46:45,630 says the female hackers are just smart enough not to get caught. 1682 01:46:45,870 --> 01:46:51,960 That's right. That's right. Man, Macintosh again. 2121. No note 1683 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,860 thank you Macintosh. Big row of ducks. 22 To 23rd from Gene 1684 01:46:55,860 --> 01:46:58,320 bein. He says Matt props to Nathan for what he's done with 1685 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,650 steno.fm. It's really impressive. I particularly love 1686 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,260 the way the transcripts are presented and that trailers are 1687 01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:07,680 presented prominently. Also, seeing my show volunteer 1688 01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:11,040 technologist in the trending list is pretty cool. Oh, nice. 1689 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,350 All right. Excellent. I didn't I didn't know he did that show. 1690 01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:13,560 That's 1691 01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:18,270 Adam Curry: for some reason. Our art. Transcripts don't show up. 1692 01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:22,560 In what? In stinner. Yeah. 1693 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,020 Dave Jones: I don't know why. I wonder if it's a browser bugs. 1694 01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:28,800 Adam Curry: Oh, it may be cores issue. 1695 01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:31,740 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, some of you. He's fighting that 1696 01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:36,120 battle a lot. Yeah. And browser, you know, mere mortals podcast 1697 01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,540 or buddy? chyron over there. 2222. He says, geez, so many 1698 01:47:39,540 --> 01:47:42,300 waking up to glory jokes. I don't even know where to start. 1699 01:47:44,190 --> 01:47:47,910 Adam Curry: Streaming. Exactly. 1700 01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:53,010 Dave Jones: Kalil 9999. Through fountain he says about the 1701 01:47:53,010 --> 01:47:56,010 search, would it be possible to create some sort of pod rank by 1702 01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:58,740 scanning transcripts for mentions of other podcasts? 1703 01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,460 Probably AI needed or something anyways, go podcasting. My first 1704 01:48:02,460 --> 01:48:07,440 boost was love Khalil go. I could give you some sort of 1705 01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:11,490 like, you know, Link, incoming link type reference. Yeah, I 1706 01:48:11,490 --> 01:48:13,470 could see that. I liked 1707 01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:16,230 Adam Curry: I just like, I would like to know, well, that's kind 1708 01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:22,920 of like the activity feed that fountain house. If I see that 1709 01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,640 you if I see my friend has boosted a podcast with you know, 1710 01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:30,600 50,000 sites, I'm going to be interested. Yeah, that kind of 1711 01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,960 correlations. What really? What really, I love that. I love 1712 01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:34,260 seeing. 1713 01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:37,200 Unknown: I'll just say again, that I think this needs to be 1714 01:48:37,230 --> 01:48:39,720 podcast index API, the activity. 1715 01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,490 Dave Jones: The activity feed. Yeah. 1716 01:48:44,699 --> 01:48:46,769 Adam Curry: Well, how do we do that? We don't have that 1717 01:48:46,769 --> 01:48:47,429 information. 1718 01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:50,430 Dave Jones: I'll do it. Yeah, we do, though we have the boost for 1719 01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:52,980 not for anything, because it's voluntary lines 1720 01:48:52,980 --> 01:48:55,920 Unknown: need to push the information and then the needs 1721 01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,030 to be indexed by the index and have like a unified API for all 1722 01:49:00,030 --> 01:49:00,630 the clients 1723 01:49:01,140 --> 01:49:03,780 Adam Curry: that being that as a road of argument. 1724 01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:11,760 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, slewed, 33 333. He says, Dave, I want to 1725 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,550 give you a tip that I learned from the Andrew Huberman 1726 01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:17,430 podcast, if you add a little bit of caffeine into your beef 1727 01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:19,620 milkshake, it would actually increase the flavor profile 1728 01:49:19,620 --> 01:49:22,890 subconsciously, in forming addiction, but in a good way, go 1729 01:49:22,890 --> 01:49:23,550 podcasting 1730 01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:28,980 Adam Curry: podcast, I'm just struck by was Roy said, so and 1731 01:49:28,980 --> 01:49:33,060 what you said. So we could basically since we, if if, if 1732 01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,990 people are supporting the index, when they use the API, we can 1733 01:49:36,990 --> 01:49:42,630 see which podcasts receive what which amount of boosts or money. 1734 01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,870 In fact, we could do bike transactions by boot. We didn't 1735 01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:47,970 wouldn't have to do it by amount, but we could do it by 1736 01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:50,130 number of booths, number of transactions. 1737 01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:54,960 Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's, that's part of what I'm thinking 1738 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,040 for the breeze SDK is I'd like to have some separate function 1739 01:49:59,040 --> 01:49:59,520 for that. 1740 01:49:59,550 --> 01:50:03,150 Adam Curry: Yeah. I agree because doing it on that doing 1741 01:50:03,150 --> 01:50:05,130 on the big voltage node is scary. 1742 01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:10,980 Dave Jones: Yeah, do you know ROI that we had when we export 1743 01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:15,270 it, we had to export all the transactions for our taxes. And 1744 01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:22,320 we have almost 6 million transactions on the note. Only 6 1745 01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,720 Adam Curry: million it doesn't fit in an Excel and I can 1746 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,980 Unknown: say that because I'm a Jew. 1747 01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:33,030 Dave Jones: Yes, we have let me rephrase that we only have 6 1748 01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:36,630 million right into the guy who probably has 47 billion 1749 01:50:36,630 --> 01:50:39,570 transactions in your in your across your node fleet. 1750 01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,240 Adam Curry: Hey, Dave, I'm putting that high in my in the 1751 01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:46,170 top of my brain what you just said the I love this idea. I 1752 01:50:46,170 --> 01:50:46,620 love 1753 01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:48,900 Dave Jones: it. I really do this morning about who so we need 1754 01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:53,520 some stats pages, you know that sort of give that? I love that? 1755 01:50:53,550 --> 01:50:56,340 Yes. Because I was reading that article and it was like, it was 1756 01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:58,920 like noster zaps. noster zaps. Oh yeah. And there's this 1757 01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,760 podcasting tip when 1758 01:51:01,740 --> 01:51:04,710 Adam Curry: tipping has increased with podcasts. It's 1759 01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:10,170 like no, okay, I'm putting this high on my on my on my scale of 1760 01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:13,290 things. I'd love to see yes, that would be the best marketing 1761 01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:15,720 ever and just make it available for anybody. Just take a look. 1762 01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:18,480 Oh, here's what's going on. I love it. 1763 01:51:18,510 --> 01:51:22,770 Dave Jones: We'll do it Jean been 4096 He says glad y'all are 1764 01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:25,470 continuing to run with scissors I'm really excited by cross app 1765 01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:32,940 contents me too. I am robot since 10,004 sets it says 1766 01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:36,480 informative informative and educational. Always adding these 1767 01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:40,110 tool sets to my toolbox five by five in the pipe 1768 01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:43,050 Unknown: Yeah, we love that boost boost boost 1769 01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:48,420 Dave Jones: 6969 from a citizen to pod verse and he says thank 1770 01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:51,090 you too for all that you do raise his fist at the ordinals 1771 01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:53,670 people get off my chain boost 1772 01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,040 Adam Curry: Get off my chain 1773 01:51:57,780 --> 01:52:02,880 Dave Jones: 2222 from Captain Egghead he says go podcasting go 1774 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:10,620 podcast 500 SATs but this is a nice note this is my first boost 1775 01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:13,650 I came here after listening to Bitcoin review and the episode 1776 01:52:13,650 --> 01:52:17,100 with Adam. You told me to come listen to this so boom here I am 1777 01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:17,520 Baby 1778 01:52:17,580 --> 01:52:19,470 Adam Curry: All right welcome to the party Powell 1779 01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:24,390 Dave Jones: How you doing booster for logs and 26,000 SATs 1780 01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,420 it's an honor to watch this project grow Thank you 1781 01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:29,580 Adam Curry: no thank you thank you for supporting it that's 1782 01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:30,870 exactly how it works. 1783 01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:39,270 Dave Jones: I'm some guy named Roy since 54,321 54321 sets 1784 01:52:39,450 --> 01:52:43,380 through breeze of course. And he just says podcast index.org 1785 01:52:43,740 --> 01:52:47,460 That's right Don't just post it's not a very creative note 1786 01:52:47,460 --> 01:52:47,820 ROI 1787 01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:50,490 Unknown: I mean what do you think I put it in there I don't 1788 01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:52,530 know that's think you ever 1789 01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:55,740 Adam Curry: sometime you send say something nice 1790 01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,310 Dave Jones: you could you didn't have enough in house alcohol 1791 01:52:59,310 --> 01:53:03,000 that night. More dreams like drunk ROI that's 1792 01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:08,250 Adam Curry: the best ROI yeah and isn't it time isn't must be 1793 01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:10,710 pretty close for you to start hitting the bottle ROI 1794 01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:14,040 Unknown: my butler results with the champagne 1795 01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:22,470 Dave Jones: Chris last from Jupiter because Fisher's 188,000 1796 01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:23,010 sads 1797 01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,690 Adam Curry: Whoa, 1798 01:53:24,930 --> 01:53:27,630 Unknown: shot caller 20 blades on 1799 01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:29,760 Adam Curry: oh nice thank you 1800 01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:33,570 Dave Jones: through the podcast index website another gift. Me 1801 01:53:33,570 --> 01:53:37,320 Yes beautiful. Message says Jupiter broadcasting just passed 1802 01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,590 a year accepting boosts. It's been amazing and we're all in 1803 01:53:40,590 --> 01:53:42,570 testing lit video and audio. 1804 01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:48,030 Adam Curry: Oh man, those guys I love them. So tipping is up at 1805 01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:52,770 8000 tipping is up yeah, that's not a tip people touch value. 1806 01:53:53,190 --> 01:53:55,440 Dave Jones: I get the feels you've been going through hell 1807 01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,960 and back with that mouth of yours recently. I feel you 1808 01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,450 brother in respect the stiff upper lip approach you've been 1809 01:54:00,450 --> 01:54:03,150 taking on air? I hope you're doing all right and you're in 1810 01:54:03,150 --> 01:54:04,380 our thoughts go podcast. 1811 01:54:04,409 --> 01:54:08,009 Adam Curry: Oh, thank you, man. I appreciate the podcast. It's 1812 01:54:08,849 --> 01:54:14,009 well, I was I was just I was just thinking the other day yes 1813 01:54:14,009 --> 01:54:17,879 it's a pain in the ass and I you know they can't keep up with 1814 01:54:17,879 --> 01:54:21,749 fixing stuff so the soliciting changes because of the multiple 1815 01:54:21,749 --> 01:54:25,499 procedures but considering I had out what I thought were 1816 01:54:25,499 --> 01:54:29,519 allergies for 10 years those are gone. I no longer use my hearing 1817 01:54:29,519 --> 01:54:33,479 aids. I've got a three for one. I'm truly blessed with this. I 1818 01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:36,659 can deal with this listing for a couple more months we'll I mean, 1819 01:54:36,689 --> 01:54:39,809 I have been so fortunate with doing all this 1820 01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:42,390 Dave Jones: cool neutering eight things is crazy. The hearing 1821 01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:43,350 aids thing is nuts 1822 01:54:43,380 --> 01:54:45,990 Adam Curry: have not had them in for weeks at this point. 1823 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,860 Dave Jones: I can't even I don't even understand 1824 01:54:50,130 --> 01:54:53,640 Adam Curry: well because my my sinuses were being you know 1825 01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,310 there was an infection there so they were always in you know, 1826 01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:59,910 it's like your your tubes you know your your your your hearing 1827 01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:02,670 it was connected to all the other sinuses and all the tubes 1828 01:55:02,670 --> 01:55:06,630 and it was just gunky in there. I guess I'm you know, pissing 1829 01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:08,220 green oozing slime 1830 01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:15,870 Dave Jones: for another comic strip blogger Darius 3015. He 1831 01:55:15,870 --> 01:55:19,680 says, howdy, David, Adam. It CSB with a special message for all 1832 01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,760 you gringos out there. Now, Greg, I know you Amir, you don't 1833 01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,010 Adam Curry: that's racist comics or Blogger blogger we're just 1834 01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:27,180 saying that's racist man. 1835 01:55:27,540 --> 01:55:29,820 Dave Jones: The place too far away from Mexico. He doesn't 1836 01:55:29,820 --> 01:55:33,210 understand. Now. I know you Americans like your podcasts 1837 01:55:33,210 --> 01:55:36,660 like you'd like your burgers, big bold in juicy. And that's 1838 01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:40,710 why I'm here to recommend a real sizzler for your ears. Ai dot 1839 01:55:40,710 --> 01:55:43,320 cooking with our very own Gregory William Forsythe 1840 01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,070 foreman. So don't be a chump on Bray, head on over to AI dot 1841 01:55:47,070 --> 01:55:49,530 cooking and give it a listen. Yo, CSB. 1842 01:55:50,010 --> 01:55:54,030 Adam Curry: CSB is so funny. And he's always about ai, ai cooking 1843 01:55:54,030 --> 01:55:57,090 machine learning AI, the singularity is coming. And they 1844 01:55:57,090 --> 01:56:00,540 say, Hey, you know, I'd really love some kind of engine that 1845 01:56:00,540 --> 01:56:03,390 looks at the transcripts and you know, and makes recommendations. 1846 01:56:03,390 --> 01:56:04,380 It was something really simple 1847 01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:06,930 Dave Jones: like search in August when I'm not busy 1848 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:12,930 Adam Curry: now. He says, oh, not profitable project. Okay, 1849 01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:17,100 all right, fine. Fine. That's all good. And Steven B came in 1850 01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:17,970 and fix it for me. 1851 01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,520 Dave Jones: monthlies are partners limited $5 Paul air 1852 01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:29,700 skin $11.14 Charles current $5 Michael Gert Gagan $5 James 1853 01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:34,860 Sullivan $10, Christopher Raymer $10 Corning Glass Buck $5 Sean 1854 01:56:34,860 --> 01:56:38,820 McCune $20 and Jordan Dunnville sin dollars, 1855 01:56:38,850 --> 01:56:41,700 Adam Curry: thank you all very much for supporting podcasting. 1856 01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:45,660 2.0 you're supporting the project, you're supporting the 1857 01:56:45,660 --> 01:56:47,790 infrastructure, you're really supporting everything and the 1858 01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:52,830 future, your future proofing podcasting 2.0 the index. As 1859 01:56:52,860 --> 01:56:56,130 everything stays within the node for liquidity, everything is 1860 01:56:56,130 --> 01:56:59,340 being built up so that if we fall down, we just need to have 1861 01:56:59,340 --> 01:57:03,030 an automatic payment thing set up with with Linode. You know, 1862 01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:07,260 so just put it like a, like a dead man's switch just starts, 1863 01:57:07,260 --> 01:57:10,860 you know, kicks in and starts paying for everything. So thank 1864 01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:13,440 you, we appreciate that you can do it in multiple ways. The best 1865 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,310 way is go to podcast apps.com Get one of those modern podcast 1866 01:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,880 apps that you can boost with we love the booster grams. Of 1867 01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,460 course if you want to use your Fiat fun coupons, podcast 1868 01:57:23,460 --> 01:57:26,730 index.org. At the bottom, you've got the big red donate button, 1869 01:57:26,730 --> 01:57:30,870 you can use PayPal for that or on chain, which is now dred 1870 01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:34,590 Scott's personal payment portal. But you can join him there in 1871 01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:39,090 and be part of the on chain rebel to get on his chain if you 1872 01:57:39,090 --> 01:57:43,410 want to. So thank you all very, very much. It is wonderful to 1873 01:57:43,410 --> 01:57:47,490 see everything taken off like this. And then of course value 1874 01:57:47,490 --> 01:57:51,210 for value dot info to learn more about the concept and it is 1875 01:57:51,210 --> 01:57:54,330 time, talent and treasure. So everything anyone is doing is 1876 01:57:54,330 --> 01:57:56,760 helping and moving things forward. And we appreciate it. 1877 01:57:59,130 --> 01:58:04,050 With that, let's see. Reuters you have anything else you'd 1878 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,890 like you want to talk about before we let you get off to 1879 01:58:07,890 --> 01:58:12,420 your pure weekend festivities of champagne caviar, etc. 1880 01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:15,990 Unknown: Okay, since we the only time that we get to talk is 1881 01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:17,040 during your podcast. 1882 01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,930 Adam Curry: Oh, man. Oh, 1883 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,040 Dave Jones: man. The guilt. 1884 01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:23,880 Adam Curry: There's the Jew guilting. Us? Yes. Okay. 1885 01:58:24,329 --> 01:58:30,209 Dave Jones: Yeah, now you sound like my mom. I gotta get back to 1886 01:58:30,209 --> 01:58:32,699 work. We gotta we gotta we gotta chop it. We gotta chop, 1887 01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,320 Adam Curry: chop and drop. I do want to 1888 01:58:34,500 --> 01:58:38,010 Unknown: hook you up with SDK stuff. Dave, don't worry about 1889 01:58:38,010 --> 01:58:39,150 it. And thank you. Thank 1890 01:58:39,150 --> 01:58:41,910 Dave Jones: you. Thank you. I'm done to get into that. Yeah, 1891 01:58:42,060 --> 01:58:44,310 Adam Curry: Roy, we really appreciate all you've done to 1892 01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:47,580 support us, besides just you know, absolutely being there. 1893 01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:52,200 For any questions or insights into the industry. I think, you 1894 01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,260 know, I'll call you more often. I'm sorry, it's completely my 1895 01:58:55,260 --> 01:59:00,960 fault. I was just knowing I was having had surgery. I expected 1896 01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,820 you to show me as you can soup with chicken. 1897 01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:05,790 Unknown: I just wanted to say like, I miss you. And that's 1898 01:59:05,790 --> 01:59:09,210 what I'm trying to convey. I know, I know. I'm doing it with 1899 01:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,520 you my own like passive aggressive way, but 1900 01:59:11,550 --> 01:59:17,100 Adam Curry: it's appreciated. Quick reminder, pod bean is 1901 01:59:17,130 --> 01:59:20,370 going to be using the 2.0 namespace for transcripts. We 1902 01:59:20,370 --> 01:59:24,450 appreciate that I'm sure Todd Todd had something to do with 1903 01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,730 that now that he's over there. Rob, Rob Greenlee and, and 1904 01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:32,970 Dave Jones: for those years s.com also rolled out the TX T 1905 01:59:32,970 --> 01:59:33,300 tag. 1906 01:59:33,749 --> 01:59:36,929 Adam Curry: Oh, beautiful. And reminder and remind your 1907 01:59:36,929 --> 01:59:40,079 listeners if you're a podcaster. You can export your 1908 01:59:40,079 --> 01:59:44,249 subscriptions and import them into any good app. And I think 1909 01:59:44,249 --> 01:59:47,609 all of our apps do that. People always questioning how do I get 1910 01:59:47,609 --> 01:59:52,259 my subscriptions Export Export OPML export podcast. Promote 1911 01:59:52,259 --> 01:59:58,619 that as much as you can. Roy we look forward to you know the SDK 1912 01:59:58,829 --> 02:00:01,499 to rolling that out you just gave us some great ideas. I 1913 02:00:01,499 --> 02:00:04,859 liked the recommendation, or the ranking or whatever we're going 1914 02:00:04,859 --> 02:00:09,359 to call it. And thank you for being a real strong supporter of 1915 02:00:09,389 --> 02:00:12,599 the project with the websites, too. We'd really appreciate it. 1916 02:00:12,899 --> 02:00:13,289 Yeah. 1917 02:00:13,530 --> 02:00:16,320 Unknown: Thank you guys. Thank you for exposing me to the 1918 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:17,910 wonderful world of podcasts. 1919 02:00:17,940 --> 02:00:19,740 Adam Curry: Yes. And one of these days we'll get you to 1920 02:00:19,740 --> 02:00:24,360 listen to more than just one. There's a lot out there you 1921 02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,160 might enjoy the other way. Why? 1922 02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:28,920 Unknown: I like listening to your rent. 1923 02:00:29,970 --> 02:00:32,040 Adam Curry: Just listen to this half of a podcast because that's 1924 02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:36,690 twice the speed. All right. Great weekend, Roy. Have a great 1925 02:00:36,690 --> 02:00:39,480 weekend. Chat Room. Have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next 1926 02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,490 week podcasting 2.0 1927 02:00:57,090 --> 02:01:01,680 Unknown: you been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1928 02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,230 index.org for more information. 1929 02:01:06,150 --> 02:01:08,340 Censorship resist in my ass