Episode 121: Lawful but Awful

100:00:00,750 --> 00:00:07,230podcasting 2.0 February 10 2023Episode 121 lawful but awful200:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,420Hello, everybody once again it'sa Friday time for the board300:00:12,420 --> 00:00:15,180meeting the official one theonly board meetings of400:00:15,180 --> 00:00:19,470podcasting. 2.0 everythinghappening in podcasting, we are500:00:19,470 --> 00:00:24,000the first line of defenseagainst big tech capture. We600:00:24,060 --> 00:00:27,840are, we are slaying it. You canfind everything at podcasts700:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,930index.org Of course, we got thepodcast namespace where all the800:00:30,930 --> 00:00:34,470innovation is documented andeverything happening in podcast900:00:34,470 --> 00:00:37,800index dot social. I'm Adam curryhere in the chilly heart of the1000:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,330Texas Hill Country and Alabama.He's the big A and API say hello1100:00:42,330 --> 00:00:44,790to my friend on the other end,ladies and gentlemen, it's Mr.1200:00:44,790 --> 00:00:46,470Dave Jones.1300:00:47,160 --> 00:00:48,840Did you call me the big day1400:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,450in API? Okay. Yeah, not isn't.No, it's meant to be. Come on,1500:00:54,450 --> 00:00:58,560man. I'm just doing this over myhead. Yeah, I just, I just throw1600:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,200it out there. You know, whatevercomes to mind, I got to do1700:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,330something every single week. SoI'm drinking1800:01:03,330 --> 00:01:05,880the beef milk. And halfwaythrough the beef milkshakes. I1900:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,050mean, big A's.2000:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,440Big is coming. Brother, how areyou feeling? By the way? Because2100:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,090I know you were still a littlebit under the weather.2200:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,840Oh, yeah. This has been a rollercoaster I went, I was, you know,2300:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,050went down, get get theantibiotics and those in the2400:01:22,050 --> 00:01:30,630steroid shot. Came back up waslike 100 was like 99%. Then got2500:01:30,810 --> 00:01:36,240them when Rob back down again.Round two. I was so my thought2600:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,850was okay. I've didn't clear thefirst thing, whatever this was,2700:01:41,850 --> 00:01:45,870and I've and it's come back. Butnow I'm thinking because my2800:01:46,110 --> 00:01:50,070thinking that the sequence ofevents was that I got sick,2900:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,890Clear that out. And then justthe universe hates me. So I just3000:01:55,890 --> 00:01:58,950had a different I guess, I thinkI got two different things back3100:01:58,950 --> 00:01:59,280to back.3200:01:59,310 --> 00:02:03,810Oh, goodness. I mean, this isTina had this thing that you3300:02:03,810 --> 00:02:07,020have it was and she was, I'd sayit took a good two weeks. And3400:02:07,020 --> 00:02:11,610she and she still? Well, shebasically either cracked or3500:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,600bruised her ribs severely. Soshe still has Yeah, from the3600:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,470coughing. And like, I missedher. And she's so healthy3700:02:20,130 --> 00:02:23,250compared to me and works out,you know, twice a day and does3800:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,670all this stuff. And I just kindof like your podcast, I have3900:02:26,670 --> 00:02:33,180some beef. That's veils regimen,and a Dr. Pepper. And I didn't4000:02:33,180 --> 00:02:37,080get anything. And I know lots ofpeople like this just it's been4100:02:37,080 --> 00:02:37,830bad.4200:02:38,220 --> 00:02:44,070Melissa has a forcefield I mean,she never gets sick. And, and I4300:02:44,070 --> 00:02:47,820mean, like somebody, you know,float by me and I get in looks4400:02:47,820 --> 00:02:49,800at me wrong and I get sick. It'sso annoying4500:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,340socks profit. So you've beenworking from home? No, you've4600:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,660been going into the office?4700:02:54,810 --> 00:03:00,870Yes, I did. During the pandemic.We never I didn't miss a day4800:03:00,870 --> 00:03:03,660except for those 11 days. I waslocked in the room in my room4900:03:03,690 --> 00:03:05,220with COVID which was5000:03:05,220 --> 00:03:09,030bad. I remember that you were onthe ropes. Yeah, we did. When we5100:03:09,030 --> 00:03:13,380still did I still did this show.I remember. That's right,5200:03:13,380 --> 00:03:16,770brother. That's your vow ofpoverty for the for the further5300:03:16,770 --> 00:03:18,030ment of podcasting.5400:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,940Yes, crawler across the floor oftreasuries to Mike.5500:03:22,470 --> 00:03:28,200Remember this? Oh goodness. Sothose of you that have it and5600:03:28,230 --> 00:03:31,920know about it, we're lit. Thatmeans that we are live on the5700:03:31,920 --> 00:03:38,580air. It's it's a fantastic newformat for podcasting that I'm5800:03:38,580 --> 00:03:41,970very familiar with because I'vebeen doing it for maybe 13145900:03:41,970 --> 00:03:44,430years, but 15 years have noagenda but it never came6000:03:44,430 --> 00:03:48,840together the way it is in theseapps now with chat room with6100:03:49,140 --> 00:03:52,830with live stream and of coursethe extra bonus of the live6200:03:52,830 --> 00:03:58,140booster Graham's this thing iscatching fire and I saw the new6300:03:58,140 --> 00:04:02,490media show Todd and Rob theywent live with video, which was6400:04:02,490 --> 00:04:07,950made possible in the new versionof pod verse with I think a lot6500:04:07,950 --> 00:04:12,900of background assist from Alexgates, since it was this new6600:04:13,470 --> 00:04:18,330chipped up, choppy LSthingamabob video format HLS6700:04:18,330 --> 00:04:23,760Yes, what I mean HLS whichsounds HLS sounds like something6800:04:23,820 --> 00:04:28,650bad that you can get can catch,but like RSV, I got a case of6900:04:28,650 --> 00:04:31,410HLS now stay away from me, bro.7000:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,810Yeah, that's that I didn'trealize that Alex was in on7100:04:36,810 --> 00:04:39,180that. I was kind of liketangential to what was going on?7200:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,720I think they jump in and whipthem into shape. Well, I think7300:04:42,720 --> 00:04:50,340because he's peer tube work hasbeen with with HLS and no agenda7400:04:50,340 --> 00:04:54,510tube, which is you know, the thepeer tube instance that he runs,7500:04:54,930 --> 00:05:00,210has this, this HLS capability.So I mean, what can you do? Tell7600:05:00,210 --> 00:05:03,960us, besides the fact that podverses now come into its own,7700:05:04,500 --> 00:05:09,750into into a mature state ofapplication, I would say, how7800:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,180does how does this what is thisHLS stuff? And why is it7900:05:12,180 --> 00:05:14,910important? And do I need aspecial special server for it?8000:05:15,930 --> 00:05:16,860How does this work?8100:05:17,759 --> 00:05:23,639I think if I'm not mistaken, I'mnot mistaken. Apple had a strong8200:05:23,639 --> 00:05:31,229hand in in HLS. I think, if I'mnot mistaken, so think I'm8300:05:31,229 --> 00:05:35,159totally not the expert with withthe video streaming formats, but8400:05:35,159 --> 00:05:40,529I think if I understand itcorrectly, sort of HLS is like8500:05:40,829 --> 00:05:44,249it's an acronym like orsomething. Yes, right. Yes. HTTP8600:05:44,249 --> 00:05:47,369Live Streaming is that oh, okay.That helps HTTP Live Stream.8700:05:47,399 --> 00:05:52,829Yeah, you like segment yousegment the, the stream into8800:05:52,979 --> 00:05:56,309chunks, I guess chunks aresomething in the new rather than8900:05:56,309 --> 00:05:59,789like trying to stream on anunbroken9000:06:01,020 --> 00:06:01,770rights9100:06:02,460 --> 00:06:05,370as opposed to mp3 streaming,Riah, that kind of thing. So9200:06:05,370 --> 00:06:05,640this is9300:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,060why it works on on curio casteras well, because that's9400:06:09,060 --> 00:06:11,370basically a web browser and he'swet. The web browsers already9500:06:11,370 --> 00:06:13,950understand this is HLS format.9600:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,550Well, I think they're using alibrary. I don't know, I don't9700:06:17,550 --> 00:06:19,710know if the browsers don'tunderstand it natively. But I9800:06:19,710 --> 00:06:23,070think they're, I think they'reusing a sort of a common library9900:06:23,070 --> 00:06:26,940to do this that understands it.Will. It may Safari, I think may10000:06:26,940 --> 00:06:32,130do it HLS natively. I don't knowabout Chrome based browsers.10100:06:32,220 --> 00:06:34,980Okay. There's a lot yeah,there's a lot I don't know about10200:06:34,980 --> 00:06:40,170it. But I do know it's way moreefficient. You It tolerates it10300:06:40,170 --> 00:06:44,130tolerates poor connections well,and it's just it's the right way10400:06:44,130 --> 00:06:45,930to go. But it's the modernapproach. It's10500:06:45,930 --> 00:06:52,770not just video it does mp3 andAC three and all other AAC. So10600:06:52,890 --> 00:06:56,820is this something we should beusing in general also for for10700:06:56,820 --> 00:06:57,990audio lit streaming?10800:06:59,340 --> 00:07:04,560I think I think the differencehere is, again, with the caveats10900:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,920of non knowledge of video, Ithink the difference here is11000:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,690that something like mp3streaming is so small already,11100:07:12,900 --> 00:07:16,770like audio only streaming isvery, is as already just11200:07:16,770 --> 00:07:20,970efficient by by nature. Whereassomething like video streaming11300:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,810is so heavy, right? You have youreally like you can survive with11400:07:24,810 --> 00:07:28,530some made with audio streamsthat are a little bit fatter11500:07:28,530 --> 00:07:31,890than you can with an with avideo stream. That's fat, you11600:07:31,890 --> 00:07:37,020really have to pare that downand make it nice for you know,11700:07:37,020 --> 00:07:42,000latency and things like that.But Nathan G says HLS lets you11800:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,670skip back to the to catch thestart of the Live episode and11900:07:44,670 --> 00:07:46,200even increase the playback speedto catch.12000:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,210Oh, okay, that's cool.12100:07:48,690 --> 00:07:53,370Yeah, is it? Is it packet based?I'm not real sure. I don't know12200:07:53,370 --> 00:07:57,930how deep in the, in the, in theOSI stack it goes. I don't know12300:07:57,930 --> 00:08:01,290if it goes all the way down tothe you know, like so now12400:08:01,290 --> 00:08:04,890when the lower levels now I needto do is also baking web12500:08:04,890 --> 00:08:07,590torrent. And then we don't evenneed streaming servers. We don't12600:08:07,590 --> 00:08:09,420even need infrastructure justworks.12700:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,780Yeah, it'll it'll only take.It'll be here in two years.12800:08:12,780 --> 00:08:12,990Yeah.12900:08:15,330 --> 00:08:18,540Now that's like, 10 years foranything. Climate change13000:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,150related? Yep. We'll have howgreen hydrogen and 10 years.13100:08:21,150 --> 00:08:21,690Okay, great.13200:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,870Always 10 years? Course fiveyears. And always?13300:08:25,050 --> 00:08:27,660Well, I remember we might havetalked about this in a recent13400:08:27,660 --> 00:08:32,250episode, was it BitTorrent liveor something? And with a bit bit13500:08:32,250 --> 00:08:36,420torrent before, they, I don'tknow, somehow they they became a13600:08:36,420 --> 00:08:40,080company and took money, and thenit all sucked. But they were13700:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,290going to do something? Maybethat's what web torrent is, I13800:08:43,290 --> 00:08:47,250don't know. But I've always beenvery enamored of the idea that13900:08:47,250 --> 00:08:50,370you didn't need a central serverfor streaming stuff for a number14000:08:50,370 --> 00:08:52,740of reasons. But I always thoughtthat would be cool. If that14100:08:52,740 --> 00:08:55,980actually worked, then I thinkweb torrent does it to some14200:08:55,980 --> 00:08:56,610degree.14300:08:57,390 --> 00:09:00,270It does, except the you know,the, the problem was you always14400:09:00,270 --> 00:09:05,370just, it's hard to get everybodyto, to seed and to participate.14500:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,700Right? It's like it's like youhave this I wouldn't I don't14600:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,610know if I call it a chicken andegg problem but you you have to14700:09:11,610 --> 00:09:17,850have enough is the same it's thesame as the DHT DHT bootstrap14800:09:17,850 --> 00:09:22,740problem that you have with DHTbased networks once you get to a14900:09:22,740 --> 00:09:26,940critical mass something likeIPFS you print it you can you15000:09:26,940 --> 00:09:32,370can ride you're good to go. Butthen there's that initial thing15100:09:32,370 --> 00:09:37,440of trying to get enough peersonline and and bootstrapped15200:09:37,470 --> 00:09:41,970Yeah. To so that you have otherpeople participating. Like and15300:09:41,970 --> 00:09:44,280it seems like every time youwould boot up a live stream you15400:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,880would have to go through thatentire process again. You know,15500:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,670it's like it will it's the wayit is with bits with Bit Torrent15600:09:50,670 --> 00:09:54,180to every time you you findsomething and you start to15700:09:54,180 --> 00:09:56,340download it. It's like okay,went offline.15800:09:56,730 --> 00:09:57,810He went, one guy,15900:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,970one guy, stay online man, don't16000:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,050Oh, he went offline. Yeah, yeah,remember that I'm, in a way it's16100:10:07,050 --> 00:10:10,020like nostre, which I've been,I've been, I'm still16200:10:10,020 --> 00:10:16,170experimenting with. And it's,you're so right, that Alex is16300:10:16,170 --> 00:10:24,090right to about the relays. It'sall about the relays 100% of any16400:10:24,090 --> 00:10:32,160issue is relay related. And Ican just I think probably 90% of16500:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,240people who try out noster say,Oh, it's a Twitter that's16600:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,850decentralized which of courseisn't it? I mean, the protocol16700:10:38,850 --> 00:10:42,930is built for anything was itnotes over things and relays or16800:10:42,930 --> 00:10:45,540whatever it stands for somelight? Yes, yeah. But the minute16900:10:45,540 --> 00:10:51,150you boot up and a relay is notisn't there or is overloaded and17000:10:51,180 --> 00:10:55,710you know, stuff doesn't load andI mean, the user experiences is17100:10:55,710 --> 00:10:59,100very hit or miss and pleasedon't email me tell me that I'm17200:10:59,100 --> 00:11:02,400doing it wrong. You're holdingit wrong. You're holding it17300:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,690wrong. And then so I was reallyjacked when when Umbro I think17400:11:06,690 --> 00:11:09,780was a Dorsey said oh, you knowhe posted a screen picture17500:11:09,780 --> 00:11:12,540because you know why? Why poston you? He doesn't post words.17600:11:12,990 --> 00:11:14,820The like nobody does anymore.They17700:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,910can emoji PV which I guess isnoster for a beautiful life or17800:11:20,910 --> 00:11:28,770you know, have a great day orwhatever it is like oh, you can17900:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,580now load or rely on your Umbro.I'm like, oh, okay, now now18000:11:32,580 --> 00:11:37,500you're Now you're talking. So Iinstall it? Yeah. All right. So18100:11:37,530 --> 00:11:41,550it's like several other appsthat are all exciting on Umbro.18200:11:41,820 --> 00:11:48,030But unless you have a public IPwith with with a cert with it,18300:11:48,030 --> 00:11:51,420so you can do HTTPS or in thiscase w s s18400:11:52,140 --> 00:11:54,840is not going to work for you.What is W SS?18500:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,560This is the w s i don't know ifsome this is like18600:11:58,590 --> 00:12:01,560a I rarely hear acronym thatI've never heard before. I had18700:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,030no idea what this is. Well, I18800:12:03,030 --> 00:12:10,350learned about it because w s sis is the here w s on HTML now18900:12:10,350 --> 00:12:17,880see, here it is. Stack Overflow.Web web web sockets WebSocket19000:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,330protocol.19100:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,650Oh, okay.19200:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,950Now I'm just Yes, you didn'tknow this.19300:12:23,310 --> 00:12:25,020Now. Gotcha. Okay, so19400:12:25,110 --> 00:12:30,210so all the apps expect a W s sconnection. But of course, your19500:12:30,210 --> 00:12:35,460Umbral is not going to be w s sout of the box is W S. So even19600:12:35,460 --> 00:12:41,880though I use to scale, which ispretty secure, I think I would19700:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,380now have to go through theeffort of setting up a cert for19800:12:46,380 --> 00:12:51,870the for the encrypted session.And otherwise, the apps won't19900:12:51,870 --> 00:12:55,710talk to my relay, and the relayonly will archive what I'm doing20000:12:55,710 --> 00:12:59,040anyway. It's not a relay thatyou can use publicly, as far as20100:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,820I understand.20200:13:01,530 --> 00:13:08,070So there's no, there's no like,tours a no go. Is which I don't20300:13:08,070 --> 00:13:11,640run over tour. Yeah, but I mean,like if somebody had wanted to20400:13:12,450 --> 00:13:14,790do their nostril failover tour,that's, that's not going20500:13:14,910 --> 00:13:19,290well, you still have to have asecure. Yeah, it's looking for a20600:13:19,290 --> 00:13:20,580secure sockets layer.20700:13:21,030 --> 00:13:23,340Because I mean, 90% of thepeople that have umbrellas like20800:13:23,340 --> 00:13:25,950at home, they're not they don'thave public IPs mapped to that.20900:13:25,980 --> 00:13:27,750No, it did. It's all Tor.21000:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,220I mean, I haven't used what Torfor me blows. I mean, it's just21100:13:32,250 --> 00:13:35,010oh, it's slow. It sucks. Youknow, half the stuff you want to21200:13:35,010 --> 00:13:39,930do you have to switch to a Torbrowser. So tail scale is is you21300:13:39,930 --> 00:13:41,280know, Godsend21400:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,450but your public put your publicconnections like to your21500:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,300channels and stuff. That'sthat's Tor. Is that that Tor21600:13:48,990 --> 00:13:51,240course yeah, yeah. Which isbecause if you're coming back21700:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,430through if you're coming backthrough your firewall, your home21800:13:53,430 --> 00:13:56,310network, you know, then you'regonna have to if it doesn't do21900:13:56,310 --> 00:13:59,880tour, then you kind of out ofthe water. Yeah, you're22000:14:00,120 --> 00:14:07,740and even so there's so I have toreopen a channel to my to my my22100:14:07,740 --> 00:14:12,120Umbral node with podcasts indexat least once every two three22200:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,950weeks. Because whatever.22300:14:14,010 --> 00:14:14,880I've noticed this22400:14:15,449 --> 00:14:17,219with your own with your own noteas well.22500:14:17,579 --> 00:14:20,099No, no, I noticed it with yournode because I had to dump all22600:14:20,099 --> 00:14:22,739the transactions out for thetax.22700:14:23,250 --> 00:14:26,880Curry's opening and closing 2million sets every day every22800:14:26,880 --> 00:14:27,180time22900:14:27,180 --> 00:14:30,030it was 2 million it was likewhen the world is going on and23000:14:30,030 --> 00:14:33,420it was like force close forceclose force close force close23100:14:33,420 --> 00:14:36,540from podcast index and that's apretty yeah pretty good node you23200:14:36,540 --> 00:14:40,560know I'm I don't know how toconfigure it differently so I'm23300:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,950so sad blows Yeah, and it's it'sreally the I think it's the23400:14:43,950 --> 00:14:46,380laptop that I'm running thatarborlon That's why I ordered a23500:14:46,410 --> 00:14:49,830Bitcoin machines another one ofthose because I have no problem23600:14:49,830 --> 00:14:52,410with that machine, even thoughit's also running over Tor same23700:14:52,410 --> 00:14:56,760network. So it's got to besomething with the with the23800:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,540machine. It's all it's amazing.Any of it works at all. If it's23900:15:00,540 --> 00:15:06,690amazing any of this works, butcongratulations to Mitch on on a24000:15:06,690 --> 00:15:09,360great new version of pod verse.Love it. I love that. Thanks,24100:15:10,170 --> 00:15:18,900Todd, for running with a hugepair of shears loppers has no,24200:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,720he does not afraid of anything.Oh yeah, we'll just do the24300:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,040switching protocols on the flyor whatever it was, it didn't24400:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,930work and then T switch to Iguess he was streaming an audio24500:15:30,930 --> 00:15:36,690slash, whatever. MBA versusvideo so and he just switched it24600:15:36,690 --> 00:15:39,330on the fly and it all worked. Itwas amazing, was really amazing.24700:15:40,020 --> 00:15:43,110And he's whatever whateverthey've got go in there with his24800:15:43,110 --> 00:15:47,520setup. He's able to he's able toget it. Me in a pot, the pot24900:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,130things go out for the video andthe audio stream BOTH Yeah, I25000:15:50,130 --> 00:15:53,490mean, he's there. You can seethe sort of like the narrowing25100:15:53,490 --> 00:15:56,520down of these of these troubleseach week as they go in this.25200:15:56,550 --> 00:16:00,600Like they're settling on anactual, stable platform that25300:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,220works. Very cool. And Mitch isHi, Mitch is homepod Verse I'm25400:16:05,220 --> 00:16:09,480in and I am to me like he washe's pretty excited about. He's25500:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,170pretty excited about thisversion. And in mean, any should25600:16:13,170 --> 00:16:18,600be. Feels good. Yeah, it feelslike it's really becoming. It25700:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,860feels like it's taken a stepinto like, the upper level of25800:16:22,860 --> 00:16:26,130podcast apps. Now thestabilities there, the polishes,25900:16:26,130 --> 00:16:29,130they're just getting shot versusa great app. Yeah.26000:16:29,850 --> 00:16:34,140And did you tell me that podcastguru was going to implement26100:16:34,590 --> 00:16:36,300value for valued payments?26200:16:37,530 --> 00:16:39,840Maybe I hope so. In the future.26300:16:40,620 --> 00:16:42,780I thought I heard thatsomewhere. I don't know. I'm26400:16:42,780 --> 00:16:45,240trying to keep up. No one tellsme anything anymore.26500:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,650There. Yeah.26600:16:46,709 --> 00:16:47,429I don't know why.26700:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,220Yeah, hope so.26800:16:51,210 --> 00:16:55,650I, we did get a great gift fromMarcus couch. If you don't think26900:16:55,650 --> 00:16:59,310you know, Marcus couch, but he Iknow him. Oh, goodness, back to27000:16:59,310 --> 00:17:06,510the pod show days. And so MarcusHeyman, his lovely wife always27100:17:06,510 --> 00:17:10,650stayed in touch. And he's a bigfan of podcasting. 2.0. And he27200:17:10,950 --> 00:17:14,730was always, always promoting andboosting. And he said that he27300:17:14,730 --> 00:17:21,150won in an auction podcastapps.com. Whoa, anyway, and he27400:17:21,150 --> 00:17:24,210said, Hey, you wanna You want meto transfer that to you? So now27500:17:24,210 --> 00:17:26,640you hold on to that boot case,he's just going to point it to27600:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,510to our Apps page. So instead ofnew Cast apps, we'll also have27700:17:30,540 --> 00:17:31,920podcast apps.com.27800:17:32,850 --> 00:17:34,440Well, that's a strong win.27900:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,430Yeah, I think he gets it in 11days or something. I don't know28000:17:38,430 --> 00:17:41,460what he paid for it. I hope hedidn't go crazy on that. Oh,28100:17:41,460 --> 00:17:41,700yeah.28200:17:41,700 --> 00:17:43,530Hope it Yeah. Strong winds.28300:17:43,890 --> 00:17:45,660Strong wind is the right word.28400:17:46,230 --> 00:17:47,820I like cast app stock. Yeah,28500:17:47,820 --> 00:17:51,210that's pretty good. Greatdomain. Great to me. I tried to28600:17:51,210 --> 00:17:57,120register lawful but awful todaywas a phrase that you all did28700:17:57,120 --> 00:18:01,740you not read the latest? How toppolitical podcasts are spread28800:18:01,740 --> 00:18:04,350unsubstantiated and falseclaims?28900:18:04,710 --> 00:18:08,880Oh, I remember lawful but awful.That's. That's Vicki, Vicki,29000:18:08,940 --> 00:18:12,480Vicki. So she came out withanother article, our our pal29100:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,430Vicki over there at Brookings.29200:18:14,820 --> 00:18:18,360We have printed it last night.And I'm about what I'm gonna29300:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,990send Brookings, a bill for theamount of toner that I had to29400:18:21,990 --> 00:18:26,010use to print this 25,000 wordmonstrosity of an article with a29500:18:26,010 --> 00:18:29,640lot of graphs, a lot of graphsless of an article and more like29600:18:29,640 --> 00:18:36,690a pamphlet, or a or a or animprint is very, very long. And29700:18:36,690 --> 00:18:38,220I have not even I have not readit yet.29800:18:38,310 --> 00:18:42,210Well, the funny thing is, youknow, the article is audible29900:18:42,210 --> 00:18:44,970reckoning, which I'm not quitesure. I'm not quite sure why she30000:18:44,970 --> 00:18:49,800chose that as a title. Valerievert Shafter how top political30100:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,330podcasters which I'm not in thatlist, by the way, spread30200:18:54,750 --> 00:18:58,620unsubstantiated and falseclaims. And our whole article as30300:18:58,620 --> 00:19:03,120it comes to the evolution of thepodcasting medium is filled with30400:19:03,150 --> 00:19:09,090unsubstantial and false claims,such as Ben Hammersley, of30500:19:09,090 --> 00:19:13,590course invented podcasting. Andhe is a podcast pioneer.30600:19:16,800 --> 00:19:23,820This so I don't have on hand thearticle that we the last time30700:19:23,820 --> 00:19:24,720this came up,30800:19:25,379 --> 00:19:29,369you know, and we actually got wejust we discussed it on the show30900:19:29,370 --> 00:19:33,630for sure. Yeah. It's been acouple of months ago. But this31000:19:33,630 --> 00:19:39,390was the one where, like, on thefirst page, she referenced a New31100:19:39,390 --> 00:19:44,250York Times article, and shesaid, and she summarized and she31200:19:44,250 --> 00:19:47,280she gave a link to the articleand summarized what the articles31300:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,940conclusions were. So of course,I clicked the link and went and31400:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,480read the article. The articlesconclusions were the 180%31500:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,270opposite of the thing that shesaid they were it was like, she31600:19:57,270 --> 00:20:00,570said, The New York Timesdiscovered this sentence so that31700:20:00,570 --> 00:20:03,390when actually they saidliterally in the article, it was31800:20:03,390 --> 00:20:07,680the exact opposite of the thing.And I was like, okay. Okay, like31900:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,370she had she said some thingsthat were very interesting,32000:20:11,370 --> 00:20:13,830although not the way I rememberit, but it doesn't matter,32100:20:14,070 --> 00:20:17,100because what happened, accordingto Ben Hammersley and Ben32200:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,470Hammersley, who basicallyinvented the whole, a whole32300:20:19,470 --> 00:20:23,880category. He just because hesaid, audio blogging,32400:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,030podcasting, Guerilla Media. Thisis before anything was really32500:20:27,900 --> 00:20:32,100before Dave and I put it alltogether with the iPod. But at32600:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,160the time, this term wasdescribing serial audio content32700:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,550that could be played on demandthrough any mp3 device such as32800:20:38,550 --> 00:20:42,000the then increasingly populariPod, listeners could take their32900:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,060audio with them, pause it asneeded, or the pause start33000:20:45,060 --> 00:20:48,630button and start again at theirconvenience. Early adopters of33100:20:48,630 --> 00:20:51,330the medium shared episodesthrough really simple33200:20:51,330 --> 00:20:54,870syndication feeds, which userscould consume, by subscribing33300:20:54,870 --> 00:20:58,560directly or indirectly. The RSSarchitecture here comes33400:20:58,710 --> 00:21:02,040facilitated the growth of adecentralized medium detached33500:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,020from regulatory oversight. WhichI like that's the that's the33600:21:07,020 --> 00:21:10,110only part of the article Ithink, is really good. Because33700:21:10,110 --> 00:21:13,410then she goes on with it was amedium where quote, anyone can33800:21:13,410 --> 00:21:16,980be a publisher, anyone can be abroadcaster, according to one of33900:21:16,980 --> 00:21:21,030podcasting pioneers, footnote14, and that's literally been34000:21:21,030 --> 00:21:25,830hammered. Hammersley. So he, Iguess, did it all? And then34100:21:29,130 --> 00:21:31,950yeah, where was it? There wassomething funny in here, like34200:21:31,950 --> 00:21:35,280once written off as a deadmedium. See, where was that it34300:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,760was? Now, it doesn't reallymatter. But what, what what I34400:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,220think is unfortunate, becausethe again, the whole point of34500:21:41,220 --> 00:21:47,280this article is podcasting hasno moderation. There's unlike34600:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,930social media, there's no way forthe crowd to push back. Where I34700:21:51,930 --> 00:21:54,720would say immediately Well, ifyou actually did some research,34800:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,470you see that currently boostergrams are a way to push forward34900:21:58,470 --> 00:22:02,700or push back and there issufficient work on cross app35000:22:02,700 --> 00:22:07,170comments. So since there, sinceit's all just people talking to35100:22:07,170 --> 00:22:11,610themselves, with no feedbackloop, complete bull crap,35200:22:11,940 --> 00:22:16,560because we do have things suchas email and, and, and people do35300:22:16,740 --> 00:22:21,030have places to comment or evenservices to comment. You know,35400:22:21,030 --> 00:22:25,350we don't have any. We don't haveany, any moderation. It's always35500:22:25,350 --> 00:22:28,980about moderation with her. Andhow do we get the overlords to35600:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,730moderate and make sure thatpeople don't get miss or35700:22:32,730 --> 00:22:37,350disinformation out there? Andagain, if she did any work, and35800:22:37,350 --> 00:22:42,360maybe did even a Google search,you might find that what she35900:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,570says, Well, there's no incentivefor the companies that make36000:22:45,570 --> 00:22:50,550podcast apps to do any of this.That companies. Yeah, I mean,36100:22:50,550 --> 00:22:55,110the beauty is, if she, she seemsthat you know, Brookings seems36200:22:55,110 --> 00:22:58,740to have a lot of money. So I sayBrookings, why don't you come36300:22:58,740 --> 00:23:03,990in, read the API docs and createyour own app, you can use our36400:23:03,990 --> 00:23:09,120index, then you can put allkinds of reporting bits and an36500:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,140alarm bells that you can pushthat go somewhere until somebody36600:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040can do all kinds of stuff likethis dashboard. We have a36700:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,860dashboard. Yes, you can have acomplete dashboard. You could36800:23:19,860 --> 00:23:23,100have a an app that centers allthe stuff that is bad, you could36900:23:23,100 --> 00:23:27,090actually you as BrookingsInstitute could do this. You37000:23:27,090 --> 00:23:30,480could filter out all the stuffthat is awful, lawful, but37100:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,080awful.37200:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,170That should be the name of theapp. LBA Yes,37300:23:34,230 --> 00:23:37,170I tried. I'm sure someonesomebody's already registered it37400:23:37,770 --> 00:23:41,220but that's literally what thiswhat the content is called.37500:23:41,340 --> 00:23:42,720lawful but awful.37600:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,820Yeah, this is always this alwaysstrikes me similarly to the way37700:23:47,820 --> 00:23:53,970that the Bitcoin narrative ofyou know, it's just used by bad37800:23:53,970 --> 00:23:59,580guys. The bad guys use it forall kinds of terrible things. So37900:24:00,060 --> 00:24:03,180clearly, it's bad. Well, youknow, like, have you checked out38000:24:03,180 --> 00:24:06,870the US dollar lately past usefor leg it used for a lot of bad38100:24:06,870 --> 00:24:10,470things for the history of allof, you know, for all of the38200:24:10,470 --> 00:24:15,210entire history of its of its usein there. It's like, well, yeah,38300:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,790podcasts. Sure there'smisinformation and38400:24:17,790 --> 00:24:21,060disinformation and all kinds ofinformation on podcasts. We know38500:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,490step outside every now and thenyou're gonna see that there's a38600:24:23,490 --> 00:24:28,350diff in DM on every corner ofthe street in every newspaper.38700:24:28,350 --> 00:24:32,490It's all over the place. MDM isYeah, Mal DIS and missing from38800:24:32,490 --> 00:24:36,060it. Of course. I found that whenI found the article, the US38900:24:36,060 --> 00:24:41,580podcast, this is from October 3.Last year, yeah, right. 22.39000:24:41,580 --> 00:24:45,180Yeah. us in the title of thearticle is us podcasters spread39100:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,880Kremlin narratives on NordStream sabotage.39200:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,960It turns out to all be true.Yes, yes. So39300:24:52,290 --> 00:24:56,940here it says the US did it. Theyjust give me the quote US did it39400:24:56,940 --> 00:25:00,690conspiracy on popular Americanpodcast and there A chart39500:25:01,979 --> 00:25:05,909that is now confirmed on a fewsaw now confirmed by Pulitzer39600:25:05,909 --> 00:25:10,679Prize winning Seymour Hersh,Seymour Hersh, who? Who has39700:25:10,769 --> 00:25:15,389stopped like the Vietnam War hewas. He is credited with being39800:25:15,389 --> 00:25:18,419the impetus for stopping theVietnam War because of his39900:25:18,419 --> 00:25:25,409reporting on the atrocitiescommitted there. But okay. Turns40000:25:25,409 --> 00:25:29,189out to be true. So I can't seeanything here where she retracts40100:25:29,189 --> 00:25:31,919that, of course, nobody'slistening to the retraction in40200:25:31,919 --> 00:25:36,329this in this new article, therole of podcasting apps and tech40300:25:36,329 --> 00:25:40,469companies. Okay, that we talkedto some of those people since40400:25:40,469 --> 00:25:44,039the early years. What does toyou if you since the early years40500:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,309of podcasting apps have taken ahands off approach to moderating40600:25:47,339 --> 00:25:52,049moderating content? And forbutton No, no Apple deep40700:25:52,049 --> 00:25:55,979platform, Spotify, the platformso no, since the early years of40800:25:55,979 --> 00:26:00,209pod, I think overcast, takestuff off. Since the early years40900:26:00,209 --> 00:26:03,359of podcasting apps have taken ahands off approach to moderating41000:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,419content have provided a sparsearchitecture to facilitate41100:26:06,419 --> 00:26:10,319distribution, as the mediumcontinues to evolve and expand41200:26:11,159 --> 00:26:15,629for 18 years, the tech companiesthat develop the tech companies41300:26:15,659 --> 00:26:19,139Hey, Mitch, this is you. Thetech companies that can go a41400:26:19,139 --> 00:26:22,679Franco Franco Oscar your techcompanies that develop41500:26:22,679 --> 00:26:26,489podcasting apps, you can helpshape the information ecosystem41600:26:26,669 --> 00:26:30,659in important ways by craftingmore robust content moderation41700:26:30,659 --> 00:26:34,169guidelines and practices,promoting greater transparency41800:26:34,349 --> 00:26:38,279and improving the in appexperience for users. Which41900:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,349starts with content moderation.42000:26:41,190 --> 00:26:42,930I've noticed started with sleeptimers.42100:26:44,190 --> 00:26:48,390The number one requested featureis not content moderation. Oh,42200:26:48,390 --> 00:26:57,480Vicki. Oh, is it asleep timer?Dark Mode, okay. As the medium42300:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,300grows in popularity, oh, this isinteresting. And based on the42400:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,990European Union's recentlyenacted Digital Services Act,42500:27:04,290 --> 00:27:08,790which the DSA which sets forththe contours of digital content42600:27:08,790 --> 00:27:12,390moderation across the EU,podcasting apps may soon be42700:27:12,390 --> 00:27:16,230forced to reckon with how theyhandle content that falls into42800:27:16,230 --> 00:27:20,820the so called here it is lawfulbut awful domain, such as hate42900:27:20,820 --> 00:27:25,530speech, misinformation, andtargeted harassment. Well, I43000:27:25,530 --> 00:27:29,670harass people on the podcast allthe time. You do and I'm very43100:27:29,670 --> 00:27:33,180proud of that. These policieswill have to balance a desire to43200:27:33,180 --> 00:27:37,230limit the real world harm harmthat can stem from the mass43300:27:37,230 --> 00:27:40,770dissemination of objectionablecontent with a vital necessity43400:27:40,770 --> 00:27:44,370not to curtail speech tooaggressively, or inconsistency43500:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,720or its balance. Okay, to addressthese challenges, tech companies43600:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,850should colon colon, colonprovide more detailed43700:27:53,850 --> 00:27:56,730transparent guidelines for thecontent that podcasters can43800:27:56,730 --> 00:27:58,170share on their apps. Why think43900:27:58,170 --> 00:28:00,750waiter and the waiter therethese options? Do I get to pick44000:28:00,750 --> 00:28:02,130between these options? No, no?No.44100:28:02,730 --> 00:28:04,020It's a sure Okay, sure.44200:28:04,050 --> 00:28:07,020You should? Because I would liketo choose between these.44300:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,890Yeah, no, no, it's a should do.We want to share this with the44400:28:10,890 --> 00:28:14,310app developers so they know whatthey should be doing. Develop44500:28:14,310 --> 00:28:17,340detailed, transparent guidelinesfor the content that apps will44600:28:17,340 --> 00:28:22,440promote or recommend. Hmm. Shealso has some she's misinformed.44700:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,440She believes that these appshave algorithms that recommend44800:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,600stuff. Here, in addition to theguidelines detailing what44900:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,940content tech companies will hostsome platforms have developed45000:28:32,940 --> 00:28:35,580separate guidelines fordetailing the types of content45100:28:35,580 --> 00:28:38,070their recommendation algorithmswill promote45200:28:38,670 --> 00:28:42,330the algorithm get in mostpodcast apps, it goes like this45300:28:44,310 --> 00:28:49,890GREP the request logs and findout which which at which podcast45400:28:49,890 --> 00:28:53,160is being recommended, likerequested the most? Or how many45500:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,870subscribers are in that are themost for each podcast and then45600:28:57,870 --> 00:29:01,290recommend the ones that are atthe top? That is the algo that's45700:29:01,290 --> 00:29:03,990the extent of the algorithm.There's there's no there's no45800:29:03,990 --> 00:29:04,770complicated,45900:29:04,830 --> 00:29:08,460incorrect, incorrect, incorrect.Vicki Brookings Institute46000:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,610institution says apart from Wordand route of mouth46100:29:11,610 --> 00:29:16,770recommendations, which will alsosoon stop adding that but you46200:29:16,770 --> 00:29:21,720know that will editorializeeditorial. Users often discover46300:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,260new podcasts through in apprecommendation systems like46400:29:25,350 --> 00:29:29,880featured most popular lists, orpersonalized recommendations.46500:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,420podcast app, like Spotify andApple podcast should should46600:29:33,450 --> 00:29:36,810develop similarly detailedpolicies on the types of content46700:29:36,810 --> 00:29:39,840they may choose not to amplifyto their users via46800:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,470recommendation systems. Even ifthe app still decide to host it,46900:29:43,740 --> 00:29:47,190which it emits. You need to youjust need to stop Yeah, just47000:29:47,190 --> 00:29:50,640bothering about HLS and stuffthat makes your app work and47100:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,990just really focus on this pagedouble down on the paperwork of47200:29:55,350 --> 00:29:58,260regulations and policies for atleast six months. But47300:29:58,260 --> 00:30:02,610wait, there's more. Improvereporting processes for47400:30:02,610 --> 00:30:08,460individual podcast episodes. Ah,bad episode, podcast apps have47500:30:08,460 --> 00:30:12,480not yet developed sophisticatedreal time systems to identify47600:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,910harmful content at scale. Andcan you can you only guess what47700:30:17,910 --> 00:30:21,390their what they're what hersolution is for this broken47800:30:21,390 --> 00:30:23,550shit? Broken feature?47900:30:24,810 --> 00:30:27,810Reg ID laws, regulations.48000:30:28,230 --> 00:30:31,770No, but we are literally doingwhat she is asking for48100:30:32,490 --> 00:30:38,490transcripts and machine learningto so your app needs to scan48200:30:38,490 --> 00:30:41,430through all the transcripts tofind stuff that's wrong.48300:30:42,090 --> 00:30:46,710Yeah, so so the way this worksis you you transcribe everything48400:30:46,920 --> 00:30:54,780in then somebody at when a whena particular strain of MDM is48500:30:54,780 --> 00:30:59,130identified a strain I like that,yes, as an Android, a new MDM48600:30:59,130 --> 00:31:04,770variant, when a new variant ofMDM is identified. Such as the,48700:31:04,980 --> 00:31:10,980the, the US, the US blew up thepipeline, various variants of48800:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,670MDM of MDM, once that isidentified, somebody plugs it48900:31:14,670 --> 00:31:20,040into the system. They stick itin there, it goes out to all the49000:31:20,070 --> 00:31:25,800to all the apps and cleansesthem of claims. All of the49100:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,490episodes, that it's a vaccine,this is an Indian vaccine is49200:31:29,490 --> 00:31:33,930cleanses them of all theepisodes that have this phrase49300:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680or this terminology that havebeen identified by GPT or49400:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,460something within.49500:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,610I want to I want to I want toturn, I want to turn49600:31:41,610 --> 00:31:45,120it in six months later, whenSeymour Hersh writes an article49700:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,830that says that it was actuallytrue49800:31:46,860 --> 00:31:51,900that all then they hit undo theUndo Ctrl Z Ctrl Z, Z. All49900:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,810right, so but I want to turnthis around. And I want to offer50000:31:54,810 --> 00:31:57,300to the Brookings Institute orinstitution.50100:31:58,980 --> 00:32:00,900Yes, thanks.50200:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,330I want to offer our services,anything we can do to help50300:32:06,330 --> 00:32:09,990because everything you'd say,No, this is the last I'll read50400:32:09,990 --> 00:32:13,230of this. Because then it goesinto role of government design,50500:32:13,230 --> 00:32:17,310an app architecture that allowsfor richer community engagement50600:32:17,310 --> 00:32:22,500and more dynamic informationenvironment. Vicki, Google,50700:32:22,530 --> 00:32:26,940okay, podcasting 2.0 Thenamespace you have not done the50800:32:26,940 --> 00:32:30,780work people who who supportBrookings with your donations,50900:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,380stop them and take them backuntil she does the work because51000:32:34,380 --> 00:32:38,280she literally is discussing whatwe're doing. pause on this51100:32:38,310 --> 00:32:43,260podcast apps could experiment,which we call running with51200:32:43,260 --> 00:32:46,440scissors, with a variety ofinept features for these51300:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,190purposes, including voting andcommenting systems with51400:32:50,190 --> 00:32:53,730additional features at theepisode level. Hello, Vicki.51500:32:54,150 --> 00:32:57,420With the development of opensource transcription models like51600:32:57,450 --> 00:33:01,170open AIS whisper, addingtranscripts to episodes has51700:33:01,170 --> 00:33:06,210never been easier. Oh,everyone's so creative. Building51800:33:06,300 --> 00:33:11,100on ad hoc, decentralizedcontribution from fans, users51900:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,790and hosts could be a way to addShow Notes and references to52000:33:14,790 --> 00:33:18,360podcast episodes like I don'tknow, chapters, anybody.52100:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,250Moreover, podcasting apps couldexperiment with up voting and52200:33:23,250 --> 00:33:26,370down voting features for thesecontributions, drawing52300:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,750inspiration from communitydriven websites such as Reddit,52400:33:30,840 --> 00:33:37,620and Stack Overflow, or Twitter'sa community. All of all of this52500:33:37,620 --> 00:33:41,910has been invented, much of ithas been implemented, and you're52600:33:41,910 --> 00:33:47,310still in the Stone Age Vicki,and we will be happy we welcome52700:33:47,310 --> 00:33:51,240you. I think it's a great idea.As long as you promote the52800:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,040namespace and apps that do 2.0 Iwant lots I want people to build52900:33:56,970 --> 00:33:58,230safe apps.53000:33:58,830 --> 00:33:59,880I would love that.53100:34:01,050 --> 00:34:06,510That'd be great. You can use anapp that for for adults, like53200:34:06,660 --> 00:34:14,010pod verse cast, thematic curiocaster podcast guru fountain or53300:34:14,010 --> 00:34:17,940you could have your childishpussy app we want you to build53400:34:17,940 --> 00:34:22,290that I really I'm serious. Iwill help I will consult for53500:34:22,290 --> 00:34:26,400free I will tell you how to doit we have all this so stop53600:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,590wasting your donors money Vicki53700:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,710you can have real scissors areyou can have safety scissors of53800:34:31,710 --> 00:34:32,160course53900:34:32,190 --> 00:34:34,560with the rounded with therounded tip. Yeah,54000:34:34,590 --> 00:34:37,440they just fallen they we fall ona stick in your jugular?54100:34:37,470 --> 00:34:41,010No. Now here's one more thing. Ido think that she she thinks54200:34:41,010 --> 00:34:44,580this is very important podcastor funding. Despite the54300:34:44,580 --> 00:34:47,250importance of advertisement andsponsorship revenue to the54400:34:47,250 --> 00:34:50,760podcasting ecosystem, there areno obvious requirements for54500:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,780financial disclosures beyondthose agreed upon between a54600:34:54,780 --> 00:34:57,150given series and its sponsors.54700:34:58,020 --> 00:35:00,510Although which losers Could youplay? Sibley54800:35:01,380 --> 00:35:05,160well, and but we've already beendone in our world, we literally54900:35:05,190 --> 00:35:08,910read out the money that peoplesend us, we could not be more55000:35:08,910 --> 00:35:09,990transparent.55100:35:10,650 --> 00:35:15,840If the I mean, like, no businesshas to tell anybody who gives55200:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,220them money unless it's like aterrorist. You're not required55300:35:20,220 --> 00:35:23,220to like to like report whensomebody gives you, hey,55400:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,070somebody just paid me. Okay.Like?55500:35:26,700 --> 00:35:32,190Well, I think I think the pointshe's making is that the radio55600:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,580industry and social mediainfluencers have to disclose if55700:35:35,580 --> 00:35:38,340they're being paid off their Idon't know, an advisor to55800:35:38,340 --> 00:35:42,030something. I think that I thinkthat's what what she's saying.55900:35:42,390 --> 00:35:46,170And that, that these financialrelationships are not clear. It56000:35:46,170 --> 00:35:48,420would just be another lever oranother wedge, which is why I56100:35:48,420 --> 00:35:52,620think we like the lightningBitcoin network, except to fight56200:35:52,620 --> 00:35:56,310exactly what she wants touseless for. But again, all of56300:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,820it is completely available. Ithink it'd be podcasting. 2.056400:35:59,970 --> 00:36:04,290There's plenty of room for thesekinds of crippled apps, also56500:36:04,290 --> 00:36:12,900known as crap. On the fly on thefly, fly on the fly, I should56600:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,080have said we should make pluralcraps. I should have man craps,56700:36:16,110 --> 00:36:16,620double. I've56800:36:16,620 --> 00:36:20,760got it. Yeah, I've got a cheatsheet. By the way, it is my 100%56900:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,740Cheat Sheet. It is basically aprintout of the thesaurus for57000:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,850everything I can reuse to everyterm I can use to replace 100%.57100:36:30,990 --> 00:36:32,730So yes, yes, please.57200:36:32,879 --> 00:36:36,089I agree with you, Adam entirelyentirely.57300:36:42,210 --> 00:36:46,200I would have more respect for Ijust would have more respect for57400:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,050the, for the, for the argumentsbeing made here. If she would57500:36:52,050 --> 00:36:55,260stop spreading misinformationwhile she's doing it. I mean,57600:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,010this is the same problem that Ihad with Leo's comments on pod57700:36:59,040 --> 00:37:06,090on pod news weekly review is,it's like, okay, you know,57800:37:06,090 --> 00:37:11,310you're, you just said that thethat Alex Jones was the whole57900:37:11,310 --> 00:37:13,860point of the podcast index,which is completely not true,58000:37:14,010 --> 00:37:16,950and go on to save like three orfour things that are complete58100:37:16,950 --> 00:37:21,600lies that are absolutely,demonstrably. Everybody knows58200:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,680they're not true. So it's like,boy, if you want to have any58300:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,950credibility, when you criticizeother people from met for58400:37:28,950 --> 00:37:33,990misinformation, stop spreadingit during your criticism, that58500:37:33,990 --> 00:37:36,660just has to be sort of like thewell that's kind of table58600:37:36,660 --> 00:37:37,350stakes.58700:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,340But that's kind of the point isthat misinformation,58800:37:41,340 --> 00:37:46,890disinformation, Mal information.It is it's all subjective. And58900:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,190everyone gets stuff, right. Andshe's literally making the case59000:37:50,430 --> 00:37:56,370that regulated businesses thathave lots of, of these aspects59100:37:56,370 --> 00:38:02,190like television. They're justthat is just as bad. Except I59200:38:02,190 --> 00:38:05,520guess you can get fired easieror something like that. The59300:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,240point is, it's such a waste oftheir money, whereas they if59400:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,230they believe that is the worldthey want to live in. My point59500:38:13,230 --> 00:38:16,950is we have the toolkit we evenhave, what's the what's the59600:38:16,950 --> 00:38:21,600framework that the breezestarted off with? The podcast59700:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,670work? Yeah, the open sourceframework.59800:38:24,180 --> 00:38:27,450Oh, you? Air, air, air59900:38:27,450 --> 00:38:30,000something air play airsoft air?60000:38:30,450 --> 00:38:35,460Air soft. Now, you're talkingabout Ben, Ben hills. Yeah,60100:38:35,490 --> 00:38:38,580I mean, we haven't you have it?Well shoot, even you could take60200:38:38,580 --> 00:38:43,740pod friend open source version,you can spin up an app quite60300:38:43,740 --> 00:38:47,610quickly, and implement all thesefeatures, instead of wasting60400:38:47,610 --> 00:38:54,000Dave's paper and toner with your25,000 words of marginally60500:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,050entertaining content, which isjust regurgitated from the last60600:38:58,050 --> 00:38:58,530time.60700:38:59,460 --> 00:39:02,880Anytime, anytime podcast player.And that's what you're thinking.60800:39:03,090 --> 00:39:04,890Anytime you had written influtter. Yeah,60900:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,190and I would love it because itwould promote the namespace, it61000:39:08,190 --> 00:39:12,090would promote so much, it willbe a very, very good idea.61100:39:14,130 --> 00:39:18,720This to get to dig and none diginto this a little bit, but kind61200:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,450of pull this thread a bit. So Ithink there's we have to61300:39:24,450 --> 00:39:30,930understand. I believe that thatthere's trade offs with a lot of61400:39:30,930 --> 00:39:34,800this technology and maybe I'm,I'm still deep in the weeds on61500:39:35,460 --> 00:39:40,020technological society, theJuggalo book, mind is just61600:39:40,110 --> 00:39:44,220aiming in this direction sort ofall the time. But for Ferny for61700:39:44,220 --> 00:39:51,030example, Mastodon we know isthere any doubt I was talking to61800:39:51,030 --> 00:39:54,030Alex this week about this? Isthere any doubt in anybody's61900:39:54,030 --> 00:39:58,260mind that what is going tohappen with mastodon? We can all62000:39:58,260 --> 00:40:00,630agree it's better than betterthan Twitter. I I think we can62100:40:00,630 --> 00:40:04,230all agree Oh, yes, it isn't, asSure. But just because it's62200:40:04,230 --> 00:40:09,390better does not mean that it isnot that he doesn't have his own62300:40:09,390 --> 00:40:14,730problems and B could potentiallybe even worse in the right62400:40:14,730 --> 00:40:17,820circle under the rightcircumstances. And what I mean62500:40:17,820 --> 00:40:23,400by that is, so actually, it'sactually much easier to do62600:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,060something nefarious withMastodon sure, like, get like62700:40:27,060 --> 00:40:32,820create a reputation system. Likesome sort of open reputation62800:40:32,820 --> 00:40:38,040system that tags each individualMastodon user account with a62900:40:38,190 --> 00:40:43,680with a social score. Yeah, sure.And then all these new instances63000:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,490begin to begin to sign on tothis reputation system. So they63100:40:47,580 --> 00:40:51,270will instantly block repliesfrom people who don't, who don't63200:40:51,270 --> 00:40:55,050satisfy the reputation score. Imean, like, that's even easier63300:40:55,050 --> 00:40:58,830to do. That's way easier to doon Mastodon than it is on63400:40:58,830 --> 00:41:01,560Twitter, you really couldn't dothat on as an outside user on63500:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,140Twitter, that this just becausewe go decentralized, and we63600:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,320just doesn't doesn't mean allthat horrible stuff can happen.63700:41:10,530 --> 00:41:11,250Right?63800:41:11,310 --> 00:41:14,010Right. And it could happen. Itcan happen in podcasting, too.63900:41:14,370 --> 00:41:18,000Like if, if the right people getinvolved and start doing what64000:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,820you know, the things that she'sdescribing, and start64100:41:20,820 --> 00:41:26,790transcribing everything. Andthen using using AI to tag64200:41:26,790 --> 00:41:30,450certain things that interestedparties think are64300:41:30,450 --> 00:41:34,320misinformation, with no regardfor down the line, whether they64400:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,390turn out to be true. That thethings decentralization doesn't64500:41:39,390 --> 00:41:42,180always protect you from the badstuff because64600:41:42,180 --> 00:41:47,910No, but open open source is, ofcourse, always the answer. Which64700:41:47,940 --> 00:41:52,890is, is simultaneously theproblem because there's no easy64800:41:52,890 --> 00:41:58,020money in open source, Entervalue for value. You know, but64900:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,750that's, I don't want to get offin that and that course of the65000:42:00,750 --> 00:42:05,310conversation, but there is notgoing to be one network where65100:42:05,310 --> 00:42:09,210everybody communicates that willnot be one. Even the idea of a65200:42:09,210 --> 00:42:13,200global Town Square. Do you hearwhat you're saying? No, you have65300:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,520town squares. We have a small wehave communities. No agenda is a65400:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,430perfect example. 10,000 peopleon the mastodon instance65500:42:20,460 --> 00:42:25,890instance 2000 blocks from otherinstances, fine, but that's65600:42:25,890 --> 00:42:30,150fine. It's okay. That's okay.That's how it should be. Which65700:42:30,150 --> 00:42:36,240is again why I really hope Ireally I would love for twit who65800:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,510understand this very well.They've blocked no agenda twit65900:42:39,510 --> 00:42:43,620dot social, they've blocked noagenda. That's fine. You know,66000:42:43,890 --> 00:42:48,000grab these 2.0 features andbuild an app that is for your66100:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,970own little protected environmentthat is that you feel66200:42:50,970 --> 00:42:55,560comfortable with that's that'sthe whole point. You can let in66300:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,410what you what your communityyour local community wants to66400:42:58,410 --> 00:43:01,560let it's it's a federation it'slike the federated you know, the66500:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,270United States is a is a republicof Federation, Texas will say no66600:43:06,270 --> 00:43:10,470to some things. And you know, itcan be convinced otherwise. And66700:43:10,470 --> 00:43:13,620we often have to convince thingsfrom the inside out like this66800:43:13,620 --> 00:43:17,100things that Texans don't agreewith. And we have our own little66900:43:17,190 --> 00:43:20,550our issues and battles, whichcan even be on the on the city67000:43:20,550 --> 00:43:24,810level. That's a beautiful waythis is the AI they're trying to67100:43:24,810 --> 00:43:28,890shoehorn technology into the newworld order global everything.67200:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,330That's the problem that thinkingis just incorrect. It is67300:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,810unnatural. It is not how humanswork. That's not how the world67400:43:36,810 --> 00:43:41,460has ever worked. And thanks tothe internet, they have a lot of67500:43:41,460 --> 00:43:45,480ways to, to do they, I'll sayhave a lot of ways to do what67600:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,220they want, but you also justdon't you just don't and I think67700:43:50,220 --> 00:43:52,980that's fine. I don't know. Doyou want to is that making any67800:43:52,980 --> 00:43:57,900sense? Yeah, I think so. It'd bea bitching and moaning and build67900:43:57,900 --> 00:43:58,620something68000:44:00,030 --> 00:44:05,100that's a good point. That's agood point is the the well but68100:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,820you know that that really speaksto what the goal is the goal may68200:44:08,820 --> 00:44:11,430not be the building the goal maybe the bitching and moaning68300:44:11,580 --> 00:44:14,400thank you and rang and becausegood point because the the68400:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,780bitching and moaning a lot oftimes is a is a68500:44:19,290 --> 00:44:22,020those who can't build bitchthat's what it is.68600:44:22,980 --> 00:44:27,810The What was the reason data orwhatever the reason for68700:44:27,810 --> 00:44:32,520existence raison d'etre? Yeahthat that's a lot of times they68800:44:32,910 --> 00:44:36,780the griping or the pointing outof problems is the whole point68900:44:36,780 --> 00:44:40,530and there is nothing that newthat gets built or created that69000:44:40,620 --> 00:44:44,670in I think all the pieces are inplace to do everything to do69100:44:44,670 --> 00:44:49,260everything that she has variousthat is proposed right69200:44:49,260 --> 00:44:51,780but are these terrible but Idon't even think it's nefarious.69300:44:51,810 --> 00:44:55,230I think it'd be fantastic ifpeople would make all to make69400:44:55,230 --> 00:44:59,610your your payment stuff. Valuefor value is literally that if69500:44:59,610 --> 00:45:03,690done in The false scope of valuefor value dot info where part of69600:45:03,690 --> 00:45:07,290the feedback loop is recognizingand is showing what the value69700:45:07,290 --> 00:45:11,340was that you sent back. There'syour transparency transcript69800:45:11,370 --> 00:45:11,970100.69900:45:13,380 --> 00:45:20,100You can I get to offer you afully about fully70000:45:20,520 --> 00:45:31,920na just fully correct. utterly,utterly correct on the mark but70100:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,880yes, please more transcriptsmany, many more transcripts and70200:45:35,970 --> 00:45:41,250even fit with chat GPT throw allHey, if you go to mp3 dot no70300:45:41,250 --> 00:45:47,370agenda notes.com. It's an opendirectory of every single mp3 I70400:45:47,370 --> 00:45:50,160have created since that systemsexists, which is quite a few,70500:45:50,310 --> 00:45:54,900but also all the s dot SRTfiles, throw it in your AI,70600:45:55,410 --> 00:45:59,400throw it in there, find stuff,block it, whatever. The fact is,70700:45:59,430 --> 00:46:01,500you can throw it in, you canalso say I want to find70800:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,990something and someone else couldbuild something I want to find70900:46:03,990 --> 00:46:09,000something specifically. Um, thisis what I'm for. So I don't care71000:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,710that that she wants to that shewants to use all these things we71100:46:13,710 --> 00:46:18,540have developed for what I thinkare awful things. But I wish you71200:46:18,540 --> 00:46:21,780would get someone to do italready. Brookings must have71300:46:21,810 --> 00:46:26,550$100 million build something ithelps everybody71400:46:26,819 --> 00:46:29,879gotta be more than that. Theygot bet you they get it they get71500:46:29,879 --> 00:46:34,649tons of money. That I thinkthere's a there's a naivety71600:46:35,610 --> 00:46:39,450another French word, namedBenjamin will be so proud of you71700:46:40,050 --> 00:46:42,390read on Datron every day whatelse?71800:46:43,110 --> 00:46:44,550I'm reading the Shaka Zulu.71900:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,520Now I know I'm reading JacquesCousteau.72000:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,080So I think there's a sort ofnaivete of amongst I don't know72100:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,270how old you know, Victoria isbut she's, she seems young. You72200:47:00,270 --> 00:47:02,940seem very young from thepicture. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm72300:47:02,940 --> 00:47:08,910thinking that there is just anaivety of whatever. There's72400:47:08,910 --> 00:47:12,300naivety of trust in theestablishment. And, and I'm72500:47:12,300 --> 00:47:15,630going to say that, you know,people who are old enough to72600:47:15,630 --> 00:47:17,430remember, you don't even have72700:47:17,790 --> 00:47:21,360I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I justlooked at Brookings Institution,72800:47:21,360 --> 00:47:27,750their form 990 $195 million. Inthe last year they brought in,72900:47:28,020 --> 00:47:33,660they have $568 million inassets. Build something.73000:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,500Give them a boost. Boostergrant, like,73100:47:39,570 --> 00:47:42,750come on big. Boost us. Exactly.73200:47:43,710 --> 00:47:46,380But I'm thinking that you don'tI mean, you don't have to be old73300:47:46,380 --> 00:47:50,130enough to go back to like Gulfof Tonkin level this new73400:47:50,130 --> 00:47:53,100government field misinformation.Another good one, you can just73500:47:53,100 --> 00:47:58,110go back, you can just go back tosomething as recent as Syrian73600:47:58,110 --> 00:47:59,430gas attacks or73700:47:59,430 --> 00:48:02,670Yeah, the white The WhiteHelmets anything? Yeah. Or or73800:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,680Biden laptop? Russiandisinformation?73900:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,280Or if you want to go back tosomething just that's that's74000:48:11,310 --> 00:48:16,740super uncontroversial about thelack of WMDs in Iraq? I mean,74100:48:16,740 --> 00:48:17,070yeah,74200:48:17,100 --> 00:48:18,240yeah, exactly.74300:48:18,240 --> 00:48:25,110There's so aluminum tubes. Doyou think for one second, that74400:48:25,110 --> 00:48:30,720if that if the State Departmentunder George Bush had access to74500:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,950some sort of system, that would,they could instantly send out a74600:48:34,950 --> 00:48:41,490bat signal to flag all thepodcasts that were created? They74700:48:41,490 --> 00:48:45,180were critical of the idea thatthere were WMDs in Iraq? Do you74800:48:45,180 --> 00:48:48,000think that they would havehesitated for one second to do74900:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,750that? Of course, they would havedone it. And it was completely75000:48:51,750 --> 00:48:57,420bogus and untrue. But that's,that's if you build this, this75100:48:57,420 --> 00:49:02,100is what I've tried to say overand over and over it the the75200:49:02,100 --> 00:49:06,030Terrible idea in this Theunfortunate thing in this75300:49:06,030 --> 00:49:08,850country in the United States,what I'm talking about is every75400:49:09,240 --> 00:49:15,210every every year, but the left,right, bull crap, it let it it75500:49:15,210 --> 00:49:20,610is so it ends up pushing thingsforward, that is in nobody's75600:49:20,610 --> 00:49:24,360interest. And so it's like well,my guys are in charge right now.75700:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,830So I'm gonna get try to silenceall the other guys. And you end75800:49:28,830 --> 00:49:32,970up building a system to wherewhen the power flip you get75900:49:32,970 --> 00:49:34,500screwed by the thing you build,76000:49:34,530 --> 00:49:37,620but that's, that's only withcentralized systems. So I really76100:49:37,620 --> 00:49:41,940am advocating and I will contacther if possible, I say Would you76200:49:41,940 --> 00:49:45,000please let me give you a littletour of what is possible76300:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,030everything permanent everythingshe says on the list is76400:49:48,030 --> 00:49:50,340possible. And I welcome it.76500:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,870I really meeting you're gonna,76600:49:52,140 --> 00:49:56,220I'm gonna, I'm gonna. Yes, we'regonna pump the brakes and have a76700:49:56,220 --> 00:50:01,320Zoom meeting. I am all I reallyam Ford. put some money into76800:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,580this thing and use it how youfind appropriate. That's totally76900:50:05,580 --> 00:50:06,330cool.77000:50:07,589 --> 00:50:11,309You can build that I would usethat dashboard. Um, yeah, I77100:50:11,309 --> 00:50:12,629mean, I was searched up for77200:50:12,660 --> 00:50:16,260Yeah, but I mean predeterminewhatever you want to do, that77300:50:16,260 --> 00:50:20,250it's all good. And then when itflips around, then you can flip77400:50:20,250 --> 00:50:24,510your system around. There's whatis not possible, it's not77500:50:24,510 --> 00:50:27,420possible to build this foreverybody. And that is because77600:50:27,420 --> 00:50:31,800of the unfortunate nature ofRSS. And the unfortunate nature77700:50:31,830 --> 00:50:35,640nature of a richly diversifiedhosting environment, which77800:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,350includes IPFS. So that geniesout of the bottle, but if you77900:50:40,350 --> 00:50:43,560feel that you need to protectthe vulnerable people, then78000:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,410please stop writing and wastingyour $195 million a year and78100:50:49,410 --> 00:50:52,110come over here and put somemoney into the ecosystem and78200:50:52,110 --> 00:50:57,150build something. I mean, I'mextending my hand here.78300:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,510You open palm open palm.78400:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,060Anyway, quite enough of that, Ibelieve. Let's talk about78500:51:06,060 --> 00:51:11,250subscriptions. Because I knowI've been keeping my eye on what78600:51:11,250 --> 00:51:15,750Buzzsprout did. Because as youknow, I have a vested interest78700:51:15,750 --> 00:51:20,910in moving away from PayPal on noagenda. Just because it's a very78800:51:20,910 --> 00:51:25,770weak link in the chain. We arewe do have a lightning node. And78900:51:25,770 --> 00:51:29,070as soon as the lightning andthis was from Ibex that it79000:51:29,070 --> 00:51:32,550already works. The way we wantit to be it's a great solution79100:51:32,550 --> 00:51:36,150for people if you want to acceptopen donations, or you can even79200:51:36,150 --> 00:51:37,500set a preset amount.79300:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,010Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,pause, stop. Are you saying that79400:51:41,010 --> 00:51:43,590you're back stuff is up andrunning now as functional?79500:51:44,430 --> 00:51:45,090rolled it out?79600:51:45,210 --> 00:51:50,100We have not, we have notpromoted it yet. And the reason79700:51:50,130 --> 00:51:56,040why is because I would prefer itto also accept key send and it79800:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,760doesn't accept key send yet, Iwant people to also be able to79900:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,170use the 2.0 app. So this is theshoehorn I'm using against Ibex80000:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,680is like you know, because we'llbring him on this show, we'll80100:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,930promote him anything you want.We'll talk about it, I know80200:52:09,930 --> 00:52:12,570agenda, we'll get otherpodcasters to use it. But you80300:52:12,570 --> 00:52:15,120got to have key send enabled sothat I can receive booster80400:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,770grams, then they're having, Idon't know, development is slow.80500:52:19,770 --> 00:52:25,440And I respect that it's okay.But my point is, we need other80600:52:25,440 --> 00:52:32,520systems for value for value.Now. PayPal is of course, you80700:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,270can do an open PayPal like wehave here as well open PayPal80800:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,420donation, you can put your notein there, which is also become a80900:52:39,420 --> 00:52:42,420problem because PayPal shortenedthe field that you can put a81000:52:42,420 --> 00:52:45,150note in, which is very annoying,and we have no control over81100:52:45,150 --> 00:52:46,890that. How long is it Dino?81200:52:46,950 --> 00:52:51,210Si? It's like 150 characters isnot even a tweet length. It's81300:52:51,240 --> 00:52:51,510it's81400:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,330George Graham is longer thanthat. Exactly.81500:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,330But it's very rare. That is notreally many. And please don't81600:53:00,330 --> 00:53:05,760email me. There are not manyeasy systems comparable to pay81700:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,570pal subscription that you canset up your subscription. Some81800:53:09,570 --> 00:53:15,540people do build it yourself.Right. And so and I'm very81900:53:15,540 --> 00:53:19,530intrigued by what Buzzsprout hasdone because it links right into82000:53:20,280 --> 00:53:27,360I think Apple Pay and and Googleand Google's pay system. Now82100:53:28,290 --> 00:53:32,850what I'm still not exactly, Ican't I don't think I can82200:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,700explain or push a 15% feethrough to my podcast partner,82300:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,490even though I'm told that it'scomparable to everything else,82400:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,420it may be comparable to we'rebetter than Patreon but I don't82500:53:45,420 --> 00:53:50,040see how it can be lower thanthan PayPal. But regardless, I82600:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,970would love to have an opensystem that we can put into82700:53:53,970 --> 00:53:58,890podcasting 2.0 apps, it can useany back end system and I have82800:53:58,890 --> 00:54:03,420two requirements for it to bevalue for value. One is it can82900:54:03,420 --> 00:54:08,670be it can the amount has to beopen you know some people want83000:54:08,670 --> 00:54:11,700to send it now. When people sendthe dollar we actually lose83100:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,370money on it. I mean that'sthat's that's almost run it as83200:54:14,370 --> 00:54:17,340almost rude. But it's okay. Ifthat's what you want to do.83300:54:17,340 --> 00:54:21,180That's what you want to do. Iwant to be Bitcoin I want to be83400:54:21,180 --> 00:54:26,190anything that that we choose itto be, it has to be open. And in83500:54:26,220 --> 00:54:31,410in the case of my vision, myvision for podcasting value for83600:54:31,410 --> 00:54:38,340value. I would like to split tobe honored in this because that83700:54:38,340 --> 00:54:42,750is that is truly something thatis unique to our version in83800:54:42,750 --> 00:54:45,960podcasting. 2.0 of value forvalue is the splits can flow83900:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,060through because I feel if we ifwe go a subscription amount84000:54:51,060 --> 00:54:54,750route and leave the appdevelopers out of the system,84100:54:54,780 --> 00:54:58,230then we've then we've made amistake. And currently you know84200:54:58,230 --> 00:55:02,820there's no subscription systemthat, that can value a split84300:55:02,850 --> 00:55:06,510architecture, where the podcastcan determine what can go to84400:55:06,510 --> 00:55:10,230other people now, that may notwork with, with Fiat fun coupons84500:55:10,230 --> 00:55:14,100and dollars. But if we implementa subscription system into84600:55:14,340 --> 00:55:18,870podcasting 2.0, you will bereally, really, really beautiful84700:55:18,870 --> 00:55:22,440to take into account a versionof the splits, which we already84800:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,950have, that can be incorporated.And I know that you've been84900:55:25,950 --> 00:55:29,250talking to people about doingexactly this.85000:55:30,420 --> 00:55:33,240Yeah, and we're in we're gonnahave, we're gonna have Tom on85100:55:33,240 --> 00:55:37,860the show soon. As soon as we'vegot Tom from Buzzsprout. Yeah,85200:55:37,860 --> 00:55:41,610yes, for Buzzsprout. Because,you know, their, their vision is85300:55:41,610 --> 00:55:45,810to have that be, you know,something that is standard,85400:55:45,900 --> 00:55:51,210standard Eisele that couldbecome open. So that they, I85500:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,170think, yes, I think and we, meand him, talked about it this85600:55:55,170 --> 00:55:59,940week, and hashed out a bunch ofideas. And it was a great, great85700:55:59,940 --> 00:56:02,280discussion. So he's gonna comeon, and we're gonna, like, just85800:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,850brainstorm about it on the boardmeeting, sit here soon, and try85900:56:05,850 --> 00:56:09,270to see if we can, you know, sortof come up with a with a86000:56:09,270 --> 00:56:14,100framework or an open an open wayto do this, where that where86100:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,370basically what they built canjust become sort of a standard86200:56:17,370 --> 00:56:20,910that everybody can can adopt.And I think after talking to86300:56:20,910 --> 00:56:23,370him, the other, I think it'svery doable. And I think it86400:56:23,370 --> 00:56:28,230would be very, I think it's, Ithink there's a way to do it,86500:56:29,130 --> 00:56:37,350where the apps where the appsdon't have to, again, re86600:56:37,350 --> 00:56:42,780architect some new thing, look,so the way that they're, you86700:56:42,780 --> 00:56:48,810know, the way their systemworks, and I did this on the Pod86800:56:48,810 --> 00:56:53,070news weekly review show. So Iopened up my cast thematic, I86900:56:53,070 --> 00:56:57,510hit the the funding button,which on cast Matic is down87000:56:57,510 --> 00:57:00,390there toward the bottom on theright. So if you have a funding87100:57:00,390 --> 00:57:03,330tag in your feed, and you hitthe button, it'll pop up a web87200:57:03,330 --> 00:57:08,460view that goes to whatever thefunding page is. And so since87300:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,800James and Sam had their theirsubscriptions, set up the other87400:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,720Buzzsprout subscription page, inthe funding tag, it opened. So87500:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,190it opened in a WebView in theapp. And right there said, Oh,87600:57:23,190 --> 00:57:26,970do you want to know do you wantto subscribe? And what level87700:57:26,970 --> 00:57:30,090like 357 10 bucks whatever,Daddy's some options, that's87800:57:30,090 --> 00:57:31,140a problem there? Yeah,87900:57:31,230 --> 00:57:34,740it is. It is. It is. So but I'mjust I'm just talking through88000:57:34,740 --> 00:57:41,040the experience. Sure. I go down,I choose the $10. And I hit a88100:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,370hit subscribe, and it comes up.So you want to do Apple Pay, or88200:57:44,370 --> 00:57:46,260do you want to do a credit cardor whatever I hit Apple Pay,88300:57:46,260 --> 00:57:50,550because I've already got thisset up. Hit it. Face ID me done.88400:57:51,210 --> 00:57:56,880Back Back to in and then I hit Ihit OK. I'm back in the in the88500:57:57,930 --> 00:58:01,470in cast thematic. I neveractually left cast semantics.88600:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,060Right. Right. Which is the wholepoint.88700:58:03,210 --> 00:58:07,620That's the whole point. Yeah. Soyeah. So in honest and so the88800:58:07,620 --> 00:58:14,370web nature of this thing is theonly way that I see that this88900:58:14,370 --> 00:58:15,360could work.89000:58:16,259 --> 00:58:18,989I'm if I can just interrupt. I'mjust looking at that. We said89100:58:18,989 --> 00:58:26,159just now I see a choose a fanemoji. Where's my notes go? I89200:58:26,159 --> 00:58:31,019don't just mean I don't see anote in this Buzzsprout thing. I89300:58:31,019 --> 00:58:35,159did what you just described onpod news weekly review. It opens89400:58:35,159 --> 00:58:39,839up to support to become asupporter 358 $10 Choose a fan89500:58:39,839 --> 00:58:44,219emoji name, email, then mycredit card. We're missing an89600:58:44,219 --> 00:58:49,259important part here, which isno, not incredibly important. So89700:58:49,259 --> 00:58:51,629I just want to and the onlyreason I'm saying this is89800:58:51,629 --> 00:58:55,529because the more I can developthis over 15 years we know what89900:58:55,529 --> 00:58:57,719works we know what doesn't work,we know what's needed.90000:58:58,650 --> 00:59:03,300So the end again, like so we'regonna have Tom also will talk90100:59:03,300 --> 00:59:07,020about this more more with him.But I think I think that this is90200:59:07,020 --> 00:59:10,230my feeling he Tom did not tellme this, but this is my feeling.90300:59:11,100 --> 00:59:19,380Is they? Is that what you seeright now? Was that not an MVP?90400:59:19,380 --> 00:59:23,250Not not not a minimum product.But that was the thing that they90500:59:23,250 --> 00:59:27,630could? Did. They felt confidentin, in order to make it where90600:59:27,630 --> 00:59:32,220things did not go south. Becauseif you if you come out of the90700:59:32,220 --> 00:59:35,580gate and you enter and you putin something like an empty box90800:59:35,580 --> 00:59:37,920where somebody can type theirown amount, right? You90900:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,380immediately have supportproblems because you have people91000:59:40,380 --> 00:59:44,790that accidentally typed $2,000And they're like, Oh crap, I91100:59:44,790 --> 00:59:48,000need to I need to roll thatback. What do I do? Like, I91200:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,320think the incarnation that it isright now it was probably the91300:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,530safe launch technique.91400:59:55,590 --> 00:59:59,970Oh, yeah. No, go for a lot ofthings incredibly hard. This guy91501:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,710This stuff. Absolutely. We sawPay Pal struggle enormously. And91601:00:06,180 --> 01:00:08,400I could just tell you where thisleads, which is why I like91701:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,640lightning, which is why I wantthis implemented in lightning as91801:00:11,640 --> 01:00:18,450well. On PayPal all the time, weget people say, hey, you know,91901:00:18,450 --> 01:00:22,170all of a sudden, my payment isunder review. I mean, you have92001:00:22,170 --> 01:00:26,070to do know your customer, youhave to do all kinds of stuff to92101:00:26,070 --> 01:00:29,700terrorism financing. Whensomeone does it from overseas,92201:00:29,700 --> 01:00:34,110you get all kinds of issues allthis it's a very, it's a hard92301:00:34,110 --> 01:00:39,120business to be in, in the Fiatsubscription business is very,92401:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,990very hard. And kudos to them fordoing it at all.92501:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,750But I think so when we can, wecan nail so we can sort of so92601:00:48,750 --> 01:00:51,990nail down a framework when itcomes on. But I think my take92701:00:51,990 --> 01:00:58,740away from from our discussionwas that it's very, it's it's92801:00:58,740 --> 01:01:03,180not only doable, but I thinkit's doable in a great way that92901:01:03,180 --> 01:01:05,880keeps the apps from getting introuble with any app store93001:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,480policies or anything like that.Like I think I think this could93101:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,740be a really good thing. Soanyway, I think I think it's93201:01:13,740 --> 01:01:14,700great. Yeah.93301:01:15,150 --> 01:01:19,020Well, unfortunately, I see ableak future for any payment93401:01:19,020 --> 01:01:22,500systems in any app store. Justin general. Yeah.93501:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,150Well, um, so what I mean by thatis, when you when you open up a93601:01:27,150 --> 01:01:33,120web view, the way the bad theapp stores, force the apps is93701:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,440they can't take payments in theapp through they can't sell93801:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,320things in the ad, I understand.It has to it has to open a web93901:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,050browser, it has to open a webbrowser in this does, you know,94001:01:43,050 --> 01:01:44,880like this is a web basedtransaction.94101:01:44,940 --> 01:01:47,910But you know, that's a verysimple policy change to make.94201:01:48,450 --> 01:01:51,570It is yeah, so what we'll seewhat happens that I don't know94301:01:51,570 --> 01:01:54,660that they're willing, I don'tknow that the app stores are94401:01:54,660 --> 01:01:58,050willing to go to the mat orsomething like that. Now with94501:01:58,050 --> 01:01:59,730the current political climate asit is.94601:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,260It's a foregone conclusion in mymind. I mean, the app stores94701:02:04,290 --> 01:02:08,640aren't are evil. They're evil.And the story artists are under94801:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,510a lot of scrutiny. Yeah, well,then they should allow94901:02:12,990 --> 01:02:15,330Progressive Web Apps Appleshould allow it to be done95001:02:15,330 --> 01:02:18,240properly, but they won't becausethey're evil. Ultimately,95101:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,850they're greedy and evil. Andthey the that's the master they95201:02:20,850 --> 01:02:23,250serve and that's okay. But let'snot95301:02:23,819 --> 01:02:29,699Mammon. Yes. What? Mammon? Yes,mammon, money. This, like the95401:02:29,699 --> 01:02:33,809old biblical term for money ismammon, Ma. What are their95501:02:33,809 --> 01:02:37,289master? Yeah, they serve theirmaster mammon, wealth regarded95601:02:37,289 --> 01:02:40,019as an evil influence or falseobject of worship and devotion.95701:02:40,110 --> 01:02:47,490Well, it is. And but then that'sokay. It's just let I always get95801:02:47,490 --> 01:02:50,220so sad when I see people tryingto get around exactly this95901:02:50,220 --> 01:02:53,610problem, says all all Apple hasto do is if they don't feel like96001:02:53,610 --> 01:02:57,030it today, or Google, and you'reseeing as Google is, by the way,96101:02:57,450 --> 01:03:01,380did I not say that this is aquagmire? It's a piece of crap.96201:03:01,380 --> 01:03:03,870And it's a big mistake thiswhole chat GPT just see what96301:03:03,870 --> 01:03:04,800happened to Google.96401:03:05,609 --> 01:03:08,999And I heard something aboutthere was a fail on launch or96501:03:08,999 --> 01:03:11,279something that I'd never saw. Sofirst of all details,96601:03:11,400 --> 01:03:17,130they named it that they namedtheir chat bot, barf. bar, bar,96701:03:17,490 --> 01:03:23,040bar bar, okay, bar, but we justcall it Google barf. And, and96801:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,310the first the first questionthat was asked, gave an96901:03:26,310 --> 01:03:33,240incorrect answer, the stockprice drops 9% 9%. And it's in97001:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,420his boat there. Now the nowthey're fighting over book,97101:03:36,450 --> 01:03:41,190every engineer knows that whatis happening here is not really97201:03:41,190 --> 01:03:46,260spectacular. It's a it's aparlor trick. I mean, it97301:03:46,260 --> 01:03:48,510especially if it can't even getthe answers, right, which is97401:03:48,510 --> 01:03:51,870always going to be subjective.That's why you win a search, you97501:03:51,870 --> 01:03:55,860get a list of links. Well,here's what most people clicked97601:03:55,860 --> 01:03:59,280on. Okay. But now you havesomething coming back and97701:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,530saying, Well, I think this iswhat's happening. This is the97801:04:01,530 --> 01:04:05,340answer to your question. Well,that's gonna be wrong. Lots of97901:04:05,340 --> 01:04:08,280times. You know what I mean?98001:04:08,670 --> 01:04:14,280Yeah, if you if you take, thatcould be a way too. That can be98101:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,680the ultimate cya. If you thinkabout it, like, if you just if98201:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,790you change your algorithm tojust to just generate an answer98301:04:23,790 --> 01:04:28,410based on on a quote model waslike, Oh, I'm sorry. We just98401:04:28,410 --> 01:04:31,290need to tweak the model. Yeah.And I know it's giving you wrong98501:04:31,290 --> 01:04:33,900information, but we just need totweak the models. It's going to98601:04:33,930 --> 01:04:37,020destroy these getting killed.Oh, we just need to tweak the98701:04:37,020 --> 01:04:37,470model.98801:04:37,530 --> 01:04:41,340I mean, it's going it's thedemise of Google because they98901:04:41,340 --> 01:04:45,030now are running after somethingthat they know they know. And99001:04:45,060 --> 01:04:48,480Sundar Pichai. He's not amarketing guy. He's a nerd. He's99101:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,020a technology guy. He knows whatreal AI looks like real machine99201:04:52,020 --> 01:04:55,740learning, and it's not reallyanything even appropriate for99301:04:55,740 --> 01:05:00,660consumers. So this parlor trickof taking the Some economists99401:05:00,690 --> 01:05:05,040asked Jeeves only you know, theythey improved it great. Well,99501:05:05,100 --> 01:05:08,100you get, you're getting a realworld answer by something that99601:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,590pretends to be a human being,and everyone is just going to99701:05:10,590 --> 01:05:13,860fall for this, but it's notgoing to deliver the profits to99801:05:13,860 --> 01:05:17,820them. And Microsoft is going tobe interesting, because they99901:05:17,820 --> 01:05:20,430want to put this into all oftheir products. So you know, you100001:05:20,430 --> 01:05:23,760open up Word, and you just say,type and apology letter, you100101:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,310know, type of resume, and it'lljust start to get it all going100201:05:26,310 --> 01:05:30,240for you. And everyone will bekind of the same NPC non playing100301:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,600character drone, and you'll haveall the same answers and all the100401:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,450same information will be no, andthe people that will stand out,100501:05:36,450 --> 01:05:38,670we'll be the ones that that areodd.100601:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,930So I don't know about you. Idon't know if you've had any100701:05:43,020 --> 01:05:47,820experience with this. But it'sbecome popular now within100801:05:47,820 --> 01:05:51,150Outlook and Gmail and all thesedifferent email clients to it,100901:05:51,150 --> 01:05:54,600when you begin to type a reply.It'll want to like, auto101001:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,950complete your reply for you.101101:05:56,010 --> 01:05:59,070I don't usually say I don't haveany of it. Okay, well,101201:05:59,070 --> 01:06:02,310it's very common now. So you'll,you'll start to say, somebody101301:06:02,310 --> 01:06:06,000else send you a thing and say,Hey, can you go can you get this101401:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,060information from me? And yousay, and you start to reply.101501:06:10,710 --> 01:06:13,710Yeah, I'm in the middle ofsomething right now. And maybe101601:06:13,740 --> 01:06:18,990it'll suggest to you that youautocomplete it with, but I'll101701:06:18,990 --> 01:06:20,250get to that here in a fewminutes.101801:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,010Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Ofcourse, of course, of course.101901:06:23,070 --> 01:06:26,850So that's, so that's this, like,if you take that to the next102001:06:26,850 --> 01:06:30,240level, and have it auto generatean entire email to you, that102101:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,810would be sort of like this, thissort of model. But the way that102201:06:33,810 --> 01:06:38,670I, what I've begun doing is inthis sort of, like subconscious102301:06:38,670 --> 01:06:44,700at the beginning, I would getthese suggestions, of replies.102401:06:45,210 --> 01:06:47,970And I would immediately see, Iwould see this gesture of green,102501:06:47,970 --> 01:06:50,250you see that it's filled withthis gentleman, I would say102601:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,640Yeah, and I would, I wouldreject it. Because even though102701:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,630it's what I was about to say, Idon't want the other person to102801:06:57,630 --> 01:07:00,810think that I just hit a buttonand didn't actually think about102901:07:00,810 --> 01:07:03,750what I was saying. Like, I don'twant to give them a canned103001:07:03,750 --> 01:07:07,920response. Because I don't wantit to appear rude or is right103101:07:07,920 --> 01:07:08,190here.103201:07:08,220 --> 01:07:12,360This started with. I'm drivingright now. I'll call you later.103301:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,690Yeah, that means like, why don'twhy don't you just turn your103401:07:15,690 --> 01:07:20,250phone off them? You know, right?Or ever hear of hands free?103501:07:20,790 --> 01:07:26,400Bluetooth? And yeah, perfectexample. Anyway, a long, long,103601:07:26,430 --> 01:07:30,030long arc around all that. Let'sgo to social interact API103701:07:30,030 --> 01:07:31,800endpoint. Very excited aboutthis.103801:07:32,220 --> 01:07:33,030Yes, it is.103901:07:34,980 --> 01:07:37,560Now, why did you build this? Andwhat's the idea? And what is it104001:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,390because it seems like somethingdynamite104101:07:40,170 --> 01:07:44,730Well, a built it. Well built isa little bit, not the right104201:07:44,730 --> 01:07:45,420term. You built104301:07:45,420 --> 01:07:48,870it. I invented podcasts, youbuilt the API, trust me, it's104401:07:48,870 --> 01:07:50,340the same thing. Okay.104501:07:51,840 --> 01:07:57,480So social interact wasn't in theAPI response. It just wasn't104601:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,060there. So it needed to be thereto begin with. They just104701:08:00,510 --> 01:08:02,700interested missing is just afee. It's just a tag that had104801:08:02,700 --> 01:08:09,780not gotten around to yet. And itneeded to be there. So and there104901:08:09,780 --> 01:08:12,720was nothing in the whole chainthere was no it was not being105001:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,100aggregated. It was not being105101:08:16,350 --> 01:08:18,840someone's feed if it's in there,and it's not he wasn't even in105201:08:18,840 --> 01:08:19,590the database.105301:08:20,220 --> 01:08:23,340Yet. Nothing. No, no, I didn'tknow that. None of that. Oh,105401:08:23,340 --> 01:08:25,620wow. So so I had no words105501:08:25,620 --> 01:08:30,090here. No one No wonder thiswasn't off the ground yet. Now,105601:08:30,090 --> 01:08:32,850I understand the problem. Iseriously, I didn't know that. I105701:08:32,850 --> 01:08:36,660didn't know that the root postwas not no not your fault. No, I105801:08:36,660 --> 01:08:39,240didn't know that. I would havegone easier on everybody. I105901:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,000didn't know what the root postwasn't available in the API.106001:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,000Pardon me Ah,106101:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,090well, I did I so I had to go andput it into party time. So that106201:08:51,090 --> 01:08:56,880would go get aggregated in thenbuild the tables. And this just106301:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,340kind of goes into something elsewe can talk about to the brain106401:08:59,340 --> 01:09:06,870which is no no no, which isdeleting old episodes, when they106501:09:06,870 --> 01:09:08,490appeared. When they do106601:09:08,489 --> 01:09:11,249yes, I have this on my list too.So you can explain that to106701:09:11,249 --> 01:09:13,859everybody how easy it is,106801:09:14,070 --> 01:09:22,080we can do a mash up here.Alright. So the way that the106901:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,040table the table structure in thedatabase is for the API is for107001:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,920the index is we have we have anews feeds table. And this107101:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,820terminology this terminologycame from the initial scheme it107201:09:35,820 --> 01:09:39,450came from Freedom controller sosome of these terminologies I107301:09:39,450 --> 01:09:39,780loved107401:09:39,780 --> 01:09:41,730I loved that there's legacy andthere is beauty.107501:09:44,730 --> 01:09:51,990So the podcasts table is callednewsfeeds. The episodes table is107601:09:51,990 --> 01:09:58,170called items, for obviousreasons. So excuse me, NF items107701:09:58,200 --> 01:10:05,130is called NF items. So Thenewsfeeds table has a foreign107801:10:05,130 --> 01:10:10,620key relationship with the NFItems table. So the NF Items107901:10:10,620 --> 01:10:18,180table references the news, the NID in the news feeds table. And108001:10:18,180 --> 01:10:21,210then, so that there's linkagebetween the two, there's a108101:10:21,210 --> 01:10:22,470relationship episode108201:10:22,470 --> 01:10:25,740and the and the fetus and thepodcast itself, right.108301:10:25,800 --> 01:10:31,020And then a whole lot of tableshang off of each one of those.108401:10:31,290 --> 01:10:37,350So there's a thing called NF NFunderscore value. Well, those108501:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,160are, those are the value blocks.And they have a foreign key108601:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,980relationship, that table, the NFunderscore value has a foreign108701:10:43,980 --> 01:10:47,850key relationship with the newsfeed stable, so that we can so108801:10:47,850 --> 01:10:52,260that we can pull a news feed,and then also do a join in the108901:10:52,260 --> 01:10:55,650SQL in order to get the valueblocks, but the value blocks109001:10:55,650 --> 01:11:00,180themselves are stored in adifferent table. These sorts of109101:11:00,180 --> 01:11:05,550table relationships areimportant, because you can you109201:11:05,550 --> 01:11:09,060can separate you can have a sameschema and separate concerns.109301:11:09,630 --> 01:11:13,080And you can also update variousbits of data in different tables109401:11:13,410 --> 01:11:16,620without necessarily locking,locking tables in the other.109501:11:16,620 --> 01:11:16,890Could109601:11:16,890 --> 01:11:22,710you explain just so I I've heardthis term, first of all, having109701:11:22,830 --> 01:11:28,710run some companies and workedwith DBAs, database, design109801:11:28,710 --> 01:11:38,460management, coaxing massaging itis as much voodoo and magic and109901:11:38,490 --> 01:11:42,330experience and maybe evenreligion as it is technology is110001:11:42,330 --> 01:11:47,670my experience. Yes, and yes,yes. But you can do things110101:11:47,670 --> 01:11:51,060exactly the same in one databasewill behave differently from the110201:11:51,060 --> 01:11:55,830other one. What is this lockingbusiness? Why does it occur? And110301:11:55,860 --> 01:12:00,480is it good? Is it bad? And good?Can you just give us a short110401:12:00,510 --> 01:12:03,120primer on the locking of tables?110501:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,700Well, so the so if you thinkabout it, when you these are110601:12:08,700 --> 01:12:12,480calls, these are called atomicoperations. So you have to you110701:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,930have to be sure that when youput when you when you do a110801:12:15,930 --> 01:12:20,880transaction to a database, youhave to be sure that the data is110901:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,060not going to change in themiddle of, of the change you're111001:12:24,060 --> 01:12:27,360trying to make. So if you haveparallel operations going on, if111101:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,960you have, if you have oneprocess that's trying to update111201:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,720a table and another process thattrying to delete records out of111301:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,610a table, who who wins? Do theyboth happen at the same time?111401:12:38,610 --> 01:12:41,910Because then you have been youhave corruption you have? Yeah.111501:12:42,270 --> 01:12:46,890So you have to, you have to lockin at least some portion of the111601:12:46,890 --> 01:12:50,130table, maybe not the entiretable, but you have to lock the111701:12:50,130 --> 01:12:53,430records that could potentiallybe changed. So you use something111801:12:53,430 --> 01:13:03,480called a query. It's, I'm losingit, I'm losing the terminology.111901:13:03,480 --> 01:13:07,590But it's like a query plan, I'msorry, query plan. So the query112001:13:07,590 --> 01:13:15,180plan, look, you know, SM ends upestimating what table rows are112101:13:15,180 --> 01:13:19,050going to be affected by certainaction. And in certain112201:13:19,050 --> 01:13:23,040circumstances, if if it looks ifit sees that there's a potential112301:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,450for conflict, it will lock thoseparticular rows so that you112401:13:27,450 --> 01:13:32,070don't get database corruption.Wow. Okay. Locking is, is112501:13:32,070 --> 01:13:37,800critical to safety. It's a it'sa, it's a safety mechanism. And112601:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,540so you can get around Yeah, andTable Table locking is is112701:13:42,630 --> 01:13:47,190something you have to avoid atall costs. And so most of the112801:13:47,190 --> 01:13:52,470design of a database, other thanperformance, your performance is112901:13:52,470 --> 01:13:55,740trying to get around some ofthese things, like locking so113001:13:55,740 --> 01:14:00,390that you don't, so that youdon't hamstring yourself. So we113101:14:00,390 --> 01:14:05,670have the NF items, you know, NFItems table, but just like NF113201:14:05,670 --> 01:14:10,200underscore value, there's alsoan NF underscore value, excuse113301:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,800me an NF items underscore valuethat has relationship back to113401:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,730the NF Items table. So those areepisode level split blocks, now113501:14:17,730 --> 01:14:21,480that you blocked and so in, sowhat I did was create a new113601:14:21,480 --> 01:14:24,060table. I'm just going throughthis because I think it's maybe113701:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,340it's beneficial for people tounderstand how beneficial113801:14:26,340 --> 01:14:29,100I'm enjoying it very, I'menjoying it a lot more than the113901:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,680discussion about fees and splitsin the last show.114001:14:32,250 --> 01:14:39,150Okay, okay. Good, this is good.Okay, so then, what I did was114101:14:39,150 --> 01:14:41,760went and created an NFunderscore social interact114201:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,620table. And then that has aforeign key relationship to the114301:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,070NF Items table. So you have anNF NF items and then you have114401:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,390relationship to NF itemsunderscore social interact. So114501:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,020as party time sees arrays offeed, parses it sees there's a114601:14:58,020 --> 01:15:02,790social interact tag in it it up,it inserts a record or updates114701:15:02,790 --> 01:15:07,650or record in the NF itemsunderscore social interact table114801:15:08,040 --> 01:15:15,450to insert that entry in there.That that is the initial, that's114901:15:15,450 --> 01:15:19,200the, that's you're setting upthe schema, okay? Then you go in115001:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,140there and change Chain, make themodifications to party times,115101:15:22,140 --> 01:15:24,780like you've got your scheme. Andnow, then you go and change in115201:15:24,780 --> 01:15:31,380the parser to add in thediscovery, parsing and database115301:15:31,380 --> 01:15:35,280insertion of the social interacttax. So now you're, now you've115401:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,840got things populating in thattable in the database, then the115501:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,770final step is to go in there andlook and actually change the115601:15:43,770 --> 01:15:48,180endpoint. Well, intermediarystep, you go and you find the115701:15:48,180 --> 01:15:53,160lower level database call. Inthe API's sort of low level115801:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,250functions itself, there's athing called a function called115901:15:56,250 --> 01:16:00,840Get get items by feed ID three,that's the name of the function.116001:16:01,470 --> 01:16:06,870And that is responsible forpulling for you give it a116101:16:06,900 --> 01:16:10,980podcast, index ID feed ID, andit gives you back all of the116201:16:10,980 --> 01:16:15,270items that go to all theepisodes that belong to it as a116301:16:15,270 --> 01:16:20,700structure, then, and thatfunction is referenced by the116401:16:20,700 --> 01:16:26,970API endpoint, which is slashepisodes by feed ID. So116501:16:26,970 --> 01:16:32,010episodes, episodes by feed IDcalls get get items by feed ID116601:16:32,010 --> 01:16:35,970three. And that's where it getsus data. So you go in there and116701:16:36,420 --> 01:16:42,600change get episodes by feed IDthree, to also do a left join on116801:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,350the table on this new table, andF items underscore social116901:16:46,350 --> 01:16:50,940interact. Now it's getting thesocial interact tags back with117001:16:50,940 --> 01:16:55,980it along in the same query thatit gets the episodes with. So117101:16:55,980 --> 01:16:59,730you're still only doing onedatabase call. Now you've got117201:16:59,730 --> 01:17:01,650this extra this extra data thatyou're117301:17:01,860 --> 01:17:06,390going on in the backgroundthere. Yeah. Okay, so how does117401:17:06,390 --> 01:17:08,790deleting an episode screw it allup?117501:17:09,780 --> 01:17:10,740Well, okay, so117601:17:11,670 --> 01:17:15,750let me set the use case thatpeople understand. Because I am117701:17:15,750 --> 01:17:19,470now in charge of incomingcustomer support, which is info117801:17:19,470 --> 01:17:22,770podcast index.org. Andbasically, people go delete my117901:17:22,770 --> 01:17:27,030show, and that's kind of it or Ideleted this episode, you're118001:17:27,030 --> 01:17:28,140still hosting it?118101:17:29,070 --> 01:17:32,640Can you notice the the increasein the level of people asking118201:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,880for stuff to be removed? It's Ihave a lot more than it used to118301:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,240be.118401:17:36,870 --> 01:17:42,540I have I don't know why I'm notquite sure. What's going on. I118501:17:42,540 --> 01:17:48,210do get a lot of Buzzsprout saidto call you. Yes, I get a lot of118601:17:48,210 --> 01:17:51,480that. Buzzsprout? What are youtelling them like Buzzsprout use118701:17:51,480 --> 01:17:55,290it because people will deleteit. I think what's happening is,118801:17:55,410 --> 01:17:58,770for whatever reason, people arenot liking some of their118901:17:58,770 --> 01:18:03,600episodes. The thing some peopleare moving to different models,119001:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,300maybe subscription model, andthey want to delete certain119101:18:06,330 --> 01:18:10,950older episodes, and they deleteit. And then they and then they119201:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,830you know, for whatever reason,they find out that it still119301:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,720doesn't work. But it's listed inpodcast index. And you know,119401:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,530they assume a that we stolen it,you can feel the undertone a lot119501:18:22,530 --> 01:18:25,620of this is why are you hostingthis? Why is it still there?119601:18:25,620 --> 01:18:27,630Why? You know, it's like, theydon't know what and I119701:18:27,630 --> 01:18:32,010understand. So we're very cool.But it's it literally is because119801:18:32,010 --> 01:18:35,250we have not root because a lotmost of these, we won't refresh119901:18:35,250 --> 01:18:38,130for you know what, I don't knowwhat the frequency is refreshing120001:18:38,130 --> 01:18:41,160most of these feeds, when it'srefreshed them. I think it all120101:18:41,160 --> 01:18:46,770changes, then it those episodesare removed or maybe not. But120201:18:46,770 --> 01:18:51,660that is what seems to have totake place. But that operation120301:18:51,660 --> 01:18:53,130seems to be complicated.120401:18:53,940 --> 01:18:57,900Isn't it is it is complicated inand I will tell you that it's120501:18:57,900 --> 01:19:05,280complicated mostly by financialconstraints. Do we know? We120601:19:05,280 --> 01:19:12,240cannot? If if we had the budgetto throw lots of money at a huge120701:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,420database instance, I would fixthis with power. Okay, of120801:19:15,420 --> 01:19:17,280course, with just more power I120901:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,440stop. Okay, what do we need?121001:19:21,060 --> 01:19:23,790Oh, no. I mean, like, in orderto do this in close to real121101:19:23,790 --> 01:19:29,580time, yeah, we would need avery, very big database that we121201:19:29,580 --> 01:19:30,330can't afford.121301:19:31,050 --> 01:19:34,290I need I know we can't affordit. But I'd like to know, he put121401:19:34,290 --> 01:19:38,130a number on it is $1,000 amonth? Is it $10,000 a month? I121501:19:38,130 --> 01:19:41,610mean, just whatever you think itmight be more or less.121601:19:42,150 --> 01:19:44,640I can't put a number on itwithout doing some research and121701:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,710we do some research on thatbecause that would be a great121801:19:46,710 --> 01:19:48,900thing to ask for. Yeah, sure.121901:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,850So you've hurt us. You scalevertical first. And then before122001:19:53,850 --> 01:19:56,970you scale horizontal, I mean,you just you just go you make122101:19:56,970 --> 01:20:01,650your database bigger. That's theway you Solve problems as122201:20:01,650 --> 01:20:04,050problems of this type. And letme describe to you what I mean122301:20:04,050 --> 01:20:12,120by this type. So the the reasonthat we can't do this in real122401:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,670time, Alexa, what Daniel J.Lewis said, he's like, we just122501:20:14,670 --> 01:20:17,400download the feed, and justreplace what's already there.122601:20:18,270 --> 01:20:21,480That's not the way that's notthe way it works. Because you so122701:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,620we have, as I described, we havethe NFA Items table that has122801:20:25,620 --> 01:20:33,150about 110 million episodes init. The, in order to there's122901:20:33,150 --> 01:20:39,240about 25 to 35,000 databasetransactions a minute, currently123001:20:39,270 --> 01:20:44,610on average in the in the index,if you and we have 10123101:20:44,610 --> 01:20:47,550aggregators. So we haveaggregators, zero through nine,123201:20:48,030 --> 01:20:52,020they're all aggregating andinserting data at123301:20:52,050 --> 01:20:55,530simultaneously, simultaneously.Yes, so we have, you know, 10123401:20:55,530 --> 01:20:57,870different streams of databaseconnections that are happening.123501:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,890So peaks, it peaks out maybe40,000 transactions a minute,123601:21:02,490 --> 01:21:10,650typically, at that volume, itdoesn't take, but just a few123701:21:10,860 --> 01:21:15,690attempts at deleting records outof that size of a table, to123801:21:15,690 --> 01:21:18,360where it could potentially locklarge portions of the table123901:21:18,360 --> 01:21:23,490where and that and when thathappens. All the all the if one124001:21:23,490 --> 01:21:28,170aggregator does tries to do alarge delete, let's just say124101:21:28,170 --> 01:21:32,520that it hits a podcast that has20,000 episodes when it would124201:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,720there are some in there. Thispodcast has 20,000 episodes. And124301:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,390let's just say that 1000 of themdisappear, because this is some124401:21:39,390 --> 01:21:43,860crazy, weird podcast. So youalso you're going to delete 1000124501:21:43,860 --> 01:21:47,700records out of this out of thetable. If it locks a large124601:21:47,700 --> 01:21:52,170portion of the table. All allnine other aggregators then have124701:21:52,170 --> 01:21:56,100to halt and wait for it tofinish. If if it doesn't finish124801:21:56,100 --> 01:22:00,630fast enough, they could time outand just have to restart.124901:22:00,870 --> 01:22:03,450I'm super excited by thisCongress. I thought I thought it125001:22:03,450 --> 01:22:06,030was going to fall asleep. ButI'm really I really this has125101:22:06,030 --> 01:22:08,760become very exciting actually tolisten to, for a number of125201:22:08,760 --> 01:22:16,680reasons. One, doesn't blockchainsolve this? Blockchain solves it125301:22:17,430 --> 01:22:18,900to noster we're gonna,125401:22:20,460 --> 01:22:23,940Nasir can solve all this it goesaway overnight. Give us some125501:22:23,940 --> 01:22:30,690bitcoin Jack. But Jack Dorsey.The so is this. If you could if125601:22:30,690 --> 01:22:33,630you had to start over again anddo a different database design?125701:22:33,630 --> 01:22:36,120Would that make a difference? Oris this just a fact of life and125801:22:36,120 --> 01:22:36,840database?125901:22:39,210 --> 01:22:42,060That's a good question. And Idon't know how to really answer126001:22:42,060 --> 01:22:45,360it. It's possible that if I hadto go back and do this over I126101:22:45,360 --> 01:22:50,880may have a may have every a MayMay as I just don't know, put126201:22:50,880 --> 01:22:56,190everything as it is now and putall the episode data in an own126301:22:56,190 --> 01:22:59,490and only the episode data in aNoSQL database that that's126401:22:59,490 --> 01:23:04,890possible. I still don't know ifthat's ideal. I would a lot of126501:23:04,890 --> 01:23:08,490this stuff takes trial and errorto figure out whether or not as126601:23:08,550 --> 01:23:12,990it's it's to figure out whetherit's stable. Again, I've had126701:23:13,890 --> 01:23:17,310probably no sequel is it'seventually consistent. And126801:23:17,310 --> 01:23:22,230that's right. Eventuallyeventual consistency with126901:23:22,230 --> 01:23:25,530something like this is really aproblem. You have to have some127001:23:25,530 --> 01:23:26,580some guarantees.127101:23:26,610 --> 01:23:31,140Is this what those plus guysfigured out? What does the what127201:23:31,140 --> 01:23:33,480was it plus? What's the name ofthat company that has a datum?127301:23:33,840 --> 01:23:38,010Forget about it. This is reallyinteresting. I'm glad that you127401:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,410that you're laying this outbecause people have no I mean,127501:23:40,410 --> 01:23:44,130even people who are in thebusiness clearly don't really. I127601:23:44,130 --> 01:23:47,910know, Daniel J. Lewis didn'thave all the pieces together.127701:23:48,780 --> 01:23:50,550This was interesting problem.127801:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,420Yeah. And I think, I thinkDaniel J. Lewis uses Mongo. So127901:23:54,420 --> 01:23:58,350he uses a no SQL database. Andthis, he's not constrained by128001:23:58,350 --> 01:24:03,540schema. But the doubt, like Isaid, the downside of no sequel128101:24:03,570 --> 01:24:08,310is you have a promise ofeventual consistency. That's not128201:24:08,310 --> 01:24:12,270good enough for for what we'redoing. Right? We have to have,128301:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,690we have to have a guarantee ofconsistency. And so like he's,128401:24:15,720 --> 01:24:20,040he's, he's using he's doingstats. Right? Very different.128501:24:20,040 --> 01:24:20,340Very128601:24:20,340 --> 01:24:26,640different, very different usecase. Okay. I, I would love to128701:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,700know what, I think you should dothat. Let's find out what it128801:24:29,700 --> 01:24:33,570cost. And let's figure out a wayto make that happen. We'll see128901:24:33,570 --> 01:24:36,180what it looks me we know kind ofour budget, we're not paying129001:24:36,180 --> 01:24:42,630ourselves. So this all all goesinto the into the systems, but129101:24:42,630 --> 01:24:44,130everybody would benefit.129201:24:44,670 --> 01:24:47,340Well, that goes back to sort ofthe financial question because129301:24:47,340 --> 01:24:52,290you have, like, if you think Imean, if you look at what if you129401:24:52,290 --> 01:24:55,680look at what we have coming inas income. So here's how, you129501:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,640know, we started this thingsaying okay, we want to make129601:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,760sure or that. So what waspromised people, we made a129701:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,570promise to people that we'regoing to have an API that was129801:25:06,570 --> 01:25:12,240free forever. And that was thepromise. In order129901:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,020to that's all we promised. Wepromised controversy, we130001:25:16,020 --> 01:25:19,650promised all kinds of stuff.Okay. unwritten with130101:25:19,650 --> 01:25:25,710regards to an API web API. Andthat it was, yes, you're right.130201:25:25,710 --> 01:25:29,850We did promise controversial.And so we promised an API that130301:25:29,850 --> 01:25:32,340would be free for for anybody'suse forever. I think that's the130401:25:32,340 --> 01:25:36,240language we use now. And inorder to fulfill that promise.130501:25:37,980 --> 01:25:42,120What we did was we said, Okay,we're not we're going to, as130601:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,390soon as we make, as soon as wehave more money in income than130701:25:45,390 --> 01:25:49,020we're spending in in expenseseach month, we're going to keep130801:25:49,020 --> 01:25:51,990that we're going to stash thatmoney in the bank for as long as130901:25:51,990 --> 01:25:57,390it takes to build up some numberx number of years of hosting131001:25:57,390 --> 01:26:01,170fees, where if somethinghappened, and one of us got131101:26:01,170 --> 01:26:04,500sick, or something happened, andthe project got derailed, we131201:26:04,500 --> 01:26:07,830would have an X amount of yearsof runway where even if we had131301:26:07,830 --> 01:26:11,310no income whatsoever, the theAPI would continue to function.131401:26:12,090 --> 01:26:15,030And so in order to make thathappen, we have to keep our131501:26:15,030 --> 01:26:20,790expenses low enough to wherewe're still building money. So131601:26:20,790 --> 01:26:26,040we're, you know, for if we'reputting a few $100 in the bank,131701:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,500after expenses every month, it'sgoing to take, you know, 345131801:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,950years to build up a decentrunway. Well, we don't we don't131901:26:34,950 --> 01:26:36,060really we're keeping our132001:26:36,090 --> 01:26:38,610right. But we really don't wereally don't know yet what it132101:26:38,610 --> 01:26:40,950would take to supercharge ourdatabase.132201:26:41,879 --> 01:26:44,819We don't we don't but that wasthe financial thinking that we132301:26:44,849 --> 01:26:46,049that we engaged in? Yes.132401:26:47,670 --> 01:26:50,310We support a lot of differentthings, you know, we're still,132501:26:50,370 --> 01:26:54,420you know, ln pay, we're stillpaying a fee amount for that,132601:26:54,420 --> 01:26:57,150that keeps a couple of appsrunning with wallets, which, you132701:26:57,150 --> 01:26:59,880know, that may go away overtime. I mean, there's all kinds132801:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,810of stuff that, that we put intothis to make the whole ecosystem132901:27:03,810 --> 01:27:04,200work.133001:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,040Right. And I just want to makethat I just think that's133101:27:08,070 --> 01:27:12,660important that people understandthat we, we have we're, we're133201:27:12,660 --> 01:27:16,740running the database, and we'rerunning the API now. But that's133301:27:16,740 --> 01:27:20,490not the only concern. We want itwe have to do we have to133401:27:20,490 --> 01:27:24,630concerns run the database, runthe API now. And make sure that133501:27:24,630 --> 01:27:28,890the the API can run for years inthe future. And so for that133601:27:28,890 --> 01:27:33,570reason, we cannot spend all themoney that we would take in we133701:27:33,570 --> 01:27:38,490have to save some. And that andthat means that we have to, even133801:27:38,490 --> 01:27:40,740though we like last month, Ithink you'd be added up. It was133901:27:40,740 --> 01:27:45,210like $2,000. We had $2,000 inincome last month. And we had134001:27:45,240 --> 01:27:50,160$1,200 of expenses, that wecan't spend 2000 Because we get134101:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,9402000. Because then it one monthgoes by and we don't have enough134201:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,400income. We're debt we're out.Well, we're out of the game134301:27:56,820 --> 01:27:59,310is just a moment, we can thank afew people who have been134401:27:59,340 --> 01:28:03,330supporting the index. Yeah. Andthen we'll come back. And we'll134501:28:03,330 --> 01:28:05,760talk about green light for amoment before we wrap it up for134601:28:05,760 --> 01:28:11,820today. Yep. And I wanted to, Iwanted to start off with a big134701:28:11,820 --> 01:28:19,140thank you to he did this lastyear as well. Sir anonymous of134801:28:19,140 --> 01:28:23,940Dogpatch and Lois LeBeau via whois nice, I don't know who this134901:28:23,940 --> 01:28:29,160is, other than he donates everymonth to no agenda. And it's135001:28:29,190 --> 01:28:33,030always through the mail. It's,it's always cash. It's always135101:28:33,030 --> 01:28:38,940from literally from a mailbox onthe street. And he sent to our135201:28:38,940 --> 01:28:42,450Pio box. And and when I sawthis, I mean, I know you had the135301:28:42,450 --> 01:28:48,780same I sent you a picture. I waslike, Oh, man $3,006 all in135401:28:48,780 --> 01:28:53,190cash, with a note forpodcasting. 2.0 Thank you to all135501:28:53,190 --> 01:28:56,070that are working to keep freespeech available to the masses.135601:28:56,670 --> 01:29:03,000And so it's not our databasemoney. But wow. humbled by this.135701:29:03,030 --> 01:29:05,550I think he did something similarlast when we started right. And135801:29:05,550 --> 01:29:05,610he135901:29:05,610 --> 01:29:09,090did some decent he didn't hesent us a $4,000 in cash last136001:29:09,090 --> 01:29:09,660year. Yeah.136101:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,620Yeah. It's always an odd number.He literally sent $2 bills,136201:29:14,430 --> 01:29:18,930three $3 bills. So I don't know,I never figured out the numbers.136301:29:19,500 --> 01:29:21,750But thank you very much. Soanimus with Dogpatch and Lois136401:29:21,750 --> 01:29:25,470Bovie. That means so meaningfulto us. And that goes right into136501:29:25,470 --> 01:29:30,210our into our savings into ourbank for the years that we want136601:29:30,210 --> 01:29:30,930to keep it running.136701:29:31,650 --> 01:29:33,870Yeah, we're doing taxes rightnow. And we literally had this136801:29:33,870 --> 01:29:36,570discussion this morning. It'slike, we're you know, we'll just136901:29:36,570 --> 01:29:39,780take out what we need to pay thetaxes and the stays in the bank.137001:29:39,810 --> 01:29:40,380Yes, everyone137101:29:40,380 --> 01:29:45,330understands, like, it's a passthrough LLC. So money that comes137201:29:45,330 --> 01:29:49,350in literally Dave and I aretaxed on it ourselves. So we we137301:29:49,350 --> 01:29:53,010only take out that, that we haveto pay on our personal income137401:29:53,010 --> 01:29:53,610taxes.137501:29:54,270 --> 01:29:58,080Right. The IRS treats it as ifwe made money even though it's137601:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,480still in a bank account that wehaven't done yet. If you don't137701:30:00,480 --> 01:30:01,350have it and137801:30:01,350 --> 01:30:02,880on the note and on the noteYeah,137901:30:03,330 --> 01:30:07,110right. Alright. That's huge.Yeah. Thank you. Thank138001:30:07,110 --> 01:30:12,360you so much pressure on me. Allright, couple of couple of lit138101:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,950boosts booster grams that camein. We have oh, just help,138201:30:17,010 --> 01:30:22,170although he will be coming inlater. We have 5015 sets, from138301:30:22,170 --> 01:30:26,430comics through blogger. And hesays, Yeah, I mean, we know138401:30:26,430 --> 01:30:30,360he'll come in later as he is thedelimiter solution to your large138501:30:30,360 --> 01:30:34,860database problem is cockroachlabs.com/product. Affordable138601:30:34,860 --> 01:30:40,200cloud native elastic scaledistributed database. Yeah, how138701:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,590much does this cost? I don'tknow if we're gonna find out,138801:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,280but we need to know. Well, thankyou comment your blog and we'll138901:30:47,280 --> 01:30:52,410find out well, all of this stuffwill we'll find out. We have139001:30:52,440 --> 01:30:57,57033,369 from blueberry this isall within the lips timeframe of139101:30:57,570 --> 01:31:02,730the show. And he has adisparaging comment about twit,139201:31:02,730 --> 01:31:06,780which I'm just not going toread. Now that does no need for139301:31:06,780 --> 01:31:14,550that. 33,333 from Eric p p Thankyou very much. cimp 100% x D D D139401:31:14,550 --> 01:31:27,240got him. 100% 36 912 we haveChad F 33 333,003 333 3333. Can139501:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,990I get the JCD you will obeyjhingo will obey or you will139601:31:30,990 --> 01:31:36,300obey you will obey we havelavished with 6666 incentive139701:31:36,300 --> 01:31:39,750boosts. Thank you, Mike Dellwith 25,000. Now we're talking139801:31:39,990 --> 01:31:44,970round two blueberries PCPA PC2.0 tags in progress. CO139901:31:44,970 --> 01:31:56,640podcasting he says we have33,333 from SU pipe pipe CD. I'm140001:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,950not going to type that in mycommand line loving the pod140101:31:58,950 --> 01:32:00,900verse love. Oh, of course. Well,we140201:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,620would love CD. Yeah. From thefrom the socials. Yeah. We love140301:32:04,620 --> 01:32:05,340all the apps.140401:32:05,400 --> 01:32:09,930We love all of our apps. Chat F3333. Again, remember Adam that140501:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,840Na is a comedy show, so itdoesn't count as a political140601:32:12,840 --> 01:32:19,080podcast. It's true. It's true.We have more IDs from contracts140701:32:19,200 --> 01:32:23,730with 13,579. Our evolution froma stats package to the home of140801:32:23,730 --> 01:32:27,480value for value creators startsnext week with the integration140901:32:27,480 --> 01:32:30,360of podcaster wallet beyondexcited Oh, we got that141001:32:30,360 --> 01:32:34,650together. You have an API keys.Oh, that's so cool. That was a141101:32:34,650 --> 01:32:37,980great on ramp for value forvalue. And by the way today as141201:32:37,980 --> 01:32:44,820of right now, I have the statson the standby. 11,871 feeds141301:32:44,820 --> 01:32:48,330with value blocks up about 30from yesterday. It used to be141401:32:48,330 --> 01:32:51,540one or two a day now we're atyou know 20 or 30 a day new141501:32:51,570 --> 01:32:55,860value for value podcasts arevery excited about that. Steve141601:32:55,860 --> 01:33:00,840Webb he is the OG God caster sirOG God caster with Whoa, a super141701:33:00,840 --> 01:33:07,290striper boost 77,777 Whoa, justsaying hey, oh, and inviting the141801:33:07,290 --> 01:33:10,590PC 2.0 community to join theLifespring family and reading141901:33:10,590 --> 01:33:14,520through the Bible in a year ataudio Bible dot link. We'd love142001:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,660to have you join us in our 13thSeason go podcasting go God142101:33:18,660 --> 01:33:19,050cast.142201:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,400Does that mean that they've readthings read through the Bible?142301:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,32013 times? Yes, it means yes,142401:33:25,350 --> 01:33:30,000yes. 13 Yeah, it does a wholeyear. And he's done it. Well, he142501:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,110was one of the god casters werevery early to understand what142601:33:34,110 --> 01:33:35,520was going on with podcasting.142701:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,000So I think Buzzsprout got theirstart as a God cast or142801:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,080repository. I think142901:33:42,180 --> 01:33:44,460they did like I believe it. No,I believe it. I believe it143001:33:44,670 --> 01:33:50,400wasn't gonna say Oh, do youremember Lilly and X? who143101:33:50,400 --> 01:33:54,540remember the band Lillian x?Well, well, it's interesting143201:33:54,540 --> 01:33:58,650because they haven't. Theyreleased 10 albums in their143301:33:58,650 --> 01:34:02,460career and they're in theLouisiana Hall of Fame and143401:34:02,490 --> 01:34:07,530Songwriters Hall of Fame. Andwhen they first came out their143501:34:07,530 --> 01:34:11,910very first video I debuted onheadbangers ball, and so they143601:34:11,910 --> 01:34:14,550have a new video coming out. And143701:34:15,630 --> 01:34:17,070and I'm old now.143801:34:17,790 --> 01:34:21,810They're my age, ancient. Andthey have a new video a new out143901:34:21,810 --> 01:34:24,480new video coming out. And theysent me a note and said, Hey,144001:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,900ma'am, we love what you'redoing. And we'd love for you to144101:34:27,930 --> 01:34:32,220intro our new video to put inthe video reminding people that144201:34:32,220 --> 01:34:37,05035 years ago, you premiered uson headbangers ball. And you144301:34:37,050 --> 01:34:39,510know, we'd love to do that witha new video. And are you going144401:34:39,510 --> 01:34:42,420to do it? Well, so here's what'sinteresting. I'm looking at this144501:34:42,420 --> 01:34:46,770video. I'm like, I kind of lookat is this a Satan band? Or what144601:34:46,770 --> 01:34:50,640is it? Until I got all the waythrough the video? I'm like, Oh,144701:34:50,700 --> 01:34:52,920I look them up. Yeah, you know,Christian man, I didn't know144801:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,720that. And so of course I'm gonna144901:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,960do that too. Yeah, name of thealbum. Yes. Yeah.145001:34:58,380 --> 01:35:00,210So of course we're gonna do thatit was just interest thinking145101:35:00,210 --> 01:35:03,750that I had no idea that theywere a Christian rock band. And145201:35:03,750 --> 01:35:06,720you wouldn't know necessarilyuntil you see the video, which145301:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,990is pretty funny. They still theystill have humor. They're still145401:35:09,990 --> 01:35:10,380gonna say145501:35:10,380 --> 01:35:12,690you're gonna you're gonna dothis. Yeah, of course.145601:35:13,410 --> 01:35:15,480Hey everybody remember me? I'mold.145701:35:18,090 --> 01:35:18,900Less hair.145801:35:19,290 --> 01:35:23,640That's right 2121 From tonerecord pod verse.fm is snappy145901:35:23,640 --> 01:35:28,590with this latest update props toMitch and team. Sir Spencer 6969146001:35:28,620 --> 01:35:33,060Love at the work the board. Ilove all the work the board and146101:35:33,060 --> 01:35:36,120its members have put into thelive experience. Live items146201:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,610first birthday is coming up. Weare excited to celebrate with146301:35:38,610 --> 01:35:41,400Dave on a bowls with buds at theend of the month. More details146401:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,350to come green heart emoji146501:35:43,410 --> 01:35:46,140desert. Oh, that's right. Weguesting on the guest146601:35:46,170 --> 01:35:51,810Nice Nice nice. Let me see tonerecord sent a short row of ducks146701:35:51,810 --> 01:35:58,860with a testing thank you all forthe tests. And I think we're I146801:35:58,860 --> 01:36:02,850think that you have everythingfrom there on out. So let's146901:36:03,060 --> 01:36:05,550let's thank the people with thebooster grams that came in.147001:36:05,910 --> 01:36:10,590Well, we got to pay pal. One onesingular Pay Pal. Yeah, the one147101:36:10,590 --> 01:36:10,950from147201:36:11,400 --> 01:36:17,100from our buddy Todd. He says,Hey guys, Todd. See. I want to147301:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,980thank you for all the hard workyou're doing here. Let's keep147401:36:19,980 --> 01:36:22,500the features coming. Mike and Iare planning what our next round147501:36:22,500 --> 01:36:25,320of implementations will be forpodcasters missing out on fun147601:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,180migrate to blueberry today. Gopodcasting.147701:36:29,130 --> 01:36:34,950Oh, nice. Oh, that qualifies.Sakala 20 is blades on the147801:36:34,950 --> 01:36:36,000Impala147901:36:36,030 --> 01:36:39,300my dog hates that jingle. Shethinks that singing shock collar148001:36:39,330 --> 01:36:44,280so she always runs away when Iplay. big baller shot caller.148101:36:44,520 --> 01:36:45,720Oh, Daddy, no.148201:36:47,010 --> 01:36:52,560We got to 54321 from our buddyRoy. Oh, talking about tennis.148301:36:52,560 --> 01:36:52,650We're148401:36:52,650 --> 01:36:55,770gonna talk about Roy in hisendeavors in a moment for sure.148501:36:56,190 --> 01:37:00,180Yeah, we we will. One of myendeavors is to get right back148601:37:00,180 --> 01:37:01,590on the show. So you can talk tous about it.148701:37:01,620 --> 01:37:03,720Well, he's not ready. He's gotsomething to talk about.148801:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,910Finally, Jean been148901:37:06,150 --> 01:37:09,5101337 lead booster cast Matic. Hesays, I don't think removing149001:37:09,510 --> 01:37:12,960emails were blowing itBuzzsprout, among other can put149101:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,780the email back in for 24 hoursor another small amount of time149201:37:15,780 --> 01:37:17,010to facilitate the validation.149301:37:17,340 --> 01:37:20,400Yes, right. Yes, we've learnedthat didn't know it. And149401:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,630interestingly, we had a supportemail come in. It's still it's149501:37:25,080 --> 01:37:29,880it's still causing support.Increased support actions. Can149601:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,200you remove this? Yeah, do youmind just sending this from from149701:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,990the email address that is inyour feed, and I see that you're149801:37:36,990 --> 01:37:41,490Buzzsprout you can have that putback into your feed reply comes149901:37:41,490 --> 01:37:44,700in, you can click on our E onour webpage and see that it's150001:37:44,700 --> 01:37:49,920the email so people don't wantto do it. Yeah. People also150101:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,820think that we're, you know,like, like Amazon or something150201:37:53,820 --> 01:37:58,530like, and I can't blame them forfor, for thinking that we're as150301:37:58,530 --> 01:38:04,980Silicon Valley company, but evenso, wow, privileged much. I150401:38:04,980 --> 01:38:06,720mean, if people are very rude150501:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,630Todd from Northern Virginia 3333through breweries, and he says,150601:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,470What did I miss? Milkshake? Ipray this is some sort of inside150701:38:16,470 --> 01:38:21,480joke. No, it's it is literally amilkshake made of made from beef150801:38:21,480 --> 01:38:21,990protein.150901:38:23,310 --> 01:38:25,740It's delicious. And it tasteslike hamburger.151001:38:26,730 --> 01:38:31,710No, it tastes like chocolate.They it is it is the what does151101:38:31,710 --> 01:38:32,160this stuff151201:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,770Alex gage turned you on thisdidn't he was telling me151301:38:34,830 --> 01:38:39,930no, no, no, Dan Benjamin did ohprime is that what this is going151401:38:39,930 --> 01:38:44,370to equip? Yes, Prime proteingrass fed beef isolate protein151501:38:44,370 --> 01:38:45,840powder from equipped foods151601:38:45,870 --> 01:38:49,050and you throw it in water. Watermill I151701:38:49,050 --> 01:38:52,380put in milk and milk and icecubes and like some151801:38:52,410 --> 01:38:54,750ice cubes, milk and ice cubes.Yeah,151901:38:54,780 --> 01:38:57,930it makes like a slushy. It'sgood. Like it's like a it tastes152001:38:57,930 --> 01:38:58,500like ice cream.152101:38:58,530 --> 01:39:02,610Are you still eating like actualbeef like the KFC stuff? Okay,152201:39:02,610 --> 01:39:02,970good.152301:39:03,090 --> 01:39:05,970Yeah, this is my supercharge.This is my super beef charge.152401:39:06,330 --> 01:39:11,520Yeah. Yes, the quip. quip is thename of the thing. Coupon Code152501:39:11,520 --> 01:39:16,590podcasting. 2.0 G Jean bienagain 2222 through cast thematic152601:39:16,950 --> 01:39:19,320just talking about where to putMastodon comments. I'm wondering152701:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,380if Todd could partner withVivaldi are similar. They're152801:39:22,380 --> 01:39:27,720offering Mastodon accounts toall their users. Possible. Jean152901:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,840began 22 to 22 through bigassdemanding he says really enjoyed153001:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,810hearing what Todd and crew weredoing. also agree that it would153101:39:33,810 --> 01:39:36,630be awesome if some 2.0 featurescame to overcast. I love that153201:39:36,630 --> 01:39:39,720app. I do too. And I'm hopingthat the firt I've sort of153301:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,600separately hoping the firstthing he implements other than153401:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,210that I think transcripts isalways good for accessibility is153501:39:45,210 --> 01:39:47,790live because I know that he hedoes a lot with users153601:39:47,790 --> 01:39:49,350himself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,right.153701:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,760Hard Hat one a one a one abinary boost through Kira153801:39:53,760 --> 01:39:58,590Castro. No note thank you hardhat, chaos. 99 5000 SATs and he153901:39:58,590 --> 01:40:01,830says another great episode.Thank you. Thank you. Mere154001:40:01,830 --> 01:40:06,690Mortals our buddy Kyron 11111through fountain he says, I'm so154101:40:06,690 --> 01:40:10,380damn pumped. It feels like we'veditched the skis and hijacked a154201:40:10,380 --> 01:40:11,040snowmobile.154301:40:14,670 --> 01:40:16,350Satchel or Richards for the win154401:40:16,410 --> 01:40:20,940ice 100% I think what you meantwas absolutely absolutely154501:40:20,940 --> 01:40:23,610yes. completely full on.154601:40:24,330 --> 01:40:27,990Build up Prague 1000 SATsthrough potrayed. He says154701:40:27,990 --> 01:40:31,320testing testing had no idea podfriend is abandoned. Looks like154801:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,290it's still working. I don'tthink he's rewriting.154901:40:34,590 --> 01:40:36,450It still works very wellactually.155001:40:37,830 --> 01:40:40,530Bill Prague again 1000 saysstupid friend. He says there is155101:40:40,530 --> 01:40:43,860a protocol that you use for sometime now that has private public155201:40:43,860 --> 01:40:47,250keys you can use to log into 100plus apps and all your followers155301:40:47,250 --> 01:40:50,610are there. All your comments arealso there. Cross app comments.155401:40:50,910 --> 01:40:53,610This news was boost was madepossible. Thanks to Brian and155501:40:53,610 --> 01:40:59,280Hi. Bye. Not letting me boostover 1000 need to spin those155601:40:59,280 --> 01:40:59,730sets.155701:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,360It must be so I know how thisfeels when you when you have a155801:41:03,390 --> 01:41:07,080technology that's been aroundfor a long time and it works and155901:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,140then people come along withsomething called noster and just156001:41:10,140 --> 01:41:14,610pisses you off. I feel you BrianI feel Yeah.156101:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,920Bill Prague again. 1003 potrayedhe says looks like I have to156201:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,340boost 10 times 1000 SATsPedialyte pod friends on the156301:41:23,340 --> 01:41:26,430browser. It was playing video,but he's given the ode to pod156401:41:26,430 --> 01:41:29,100friend but pod friends stilllives man. Yeah, it's not that156501:41:29,100 --> 01:41:35,310okay. Rob Suzuki throughfountain 2421. He says thanks156601:41:35,310 --> 01:41:37,770for your value to the PodcastMovement. Greetings from156701:41:37,770 --> 01:41:38,670Dominican Republic.156801:41:38,700 --> 01:41:40,500No Hello, Dominican Republic.156901:41:41,910 --> 01:41:48,7203000 from forest K Farscape. Ianthrough fountain no note CASP157001:41:48,720 --> 01:41:52,050eland 3690. Through fountain hesays I have a question about the157101:41:52,050 --> 01:41:54,990splits. I was happy atmosphere.157201:41:55,020 --> 01:41:55,890How do you calculate?157301:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,230I was happily streaming 17 setsa minute. I think calculate the157401:42:01,230 --> 01:42:04,440first split percentage goes tothe highest percent. Oh god.157501:42:04,980 --> 01:42:09,390No, no, no. Don't take me there.Don't take. Don't take me down157601:42:09,390 --> 01:42:10,290that road. No.157701:42:12,540 --> 01:42:13,740Are you bending this question?157801:42:14,010 --> 01:42:15,540No, I'm not banning, of course.157901:42:16,200 --> 01:42:20,250I think I think calculate thefirst split percentage goes to158001:42:20,250 --> 01:42:24,750the highest percentage. And thencalculating down. Streaming less158101:42:24,750 --> 01:42:28,230than one set a minute is not athing. So let's see. I'm gonna158201:42:28,230 --> 01:42:32,760show 22 sets a minute pop up.Don't mind the small difference.158301:42:34,080 --> 01:42:40,110Oh, I'm so lost. CASS Cass sentme an email. I can't do it. It's158401:42:40,110 --> 01:42:40,590too much.158501:42:41,970 --> 01:42:49,110I have a small complaint. BeforeI forget. Yeah. You know, I add158601:42:49,110 --> 01:42:51,930a lot of podcasts manually forpeople who don't see the Add158701:42:51,960 --> 01:42:52,470button.158801:42:54,570 --> 01:42:56,670Yeah, the one that's at the topof the way, the one that158901:42:56,670 --> 01:43:03,180says Add? Yes. Can we change thesunflowers? Why I keep getting159001:43:03,180 --> 01:43:08,340sunflowers in the caption? It'salways the sunflowers. I don't159101:43:08,340 --> 01:43:12,780trust it. I need something else.What do I get sunflowers all the159201:43:12,780 --> 01:43:13,320time.159301:43:13,890 --> 01:43:17,700I get trumpets. I do every time159401:43:17,730 --> 01:43:20,520I'll trade trumpets forsunflowers for a day. Just for a159501:43:20,520 --> 01:43:21,090day.159601:43:21,330 --> 01:43:25,020clear your cookies. Over yourcookies. Okay. All right. Thank159701:43:25,020 --> 01:43:27,810you. You're becoming a help deskguy. I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm159801:43:27,810 --> 01:43:29,400putting so JD when someone159901:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,330says my episodes have beenupdated. I'm gonna say clear160001:43:33,330 --> 01:43:34,140your cookies.160101:43:37,980 --> 01:43:41,700Reboot rebooting. This is wherewe're turning you into a160201:43:41,700 --> 01:43:45,840helpdesk. Feeling good about it.Yes. Every time when you get off160301:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,180a helpdesk call. You have toturn around a bitch to your co160401:43:48,180 --> 01:43:51,330workers about how stupid theperson was. Like you're like,160501:43:51,480 --> 01:43:56,940Oh, you mean the Add button atthe top? It was hard to spot.160601:43:57,570 --> 01:44:01,170Okay, Satoshi stream 5552.Through fountain This is160701:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,800Benjamin at FOSDEM was good.Yes. Benjamin Bellamy.160801:44:04,830 --> 01:44:07,980Yeah. Oh, yeah, we forgot totalk about that. Good job,160901:44:07,980 --> 01:44:08,610Benjamin.161001:44:09,090 --> 01:44:13,110Yeah, great slideshow. Oh,awesome. Like, chop and dropped161101:44:13,110 --> 01:44:14,910and killed his numbers rightafter the show.161201:44:16,950 --> 01:44:20,580Love or hate the way he goes.This is not a podcast. This is a161301:44:20,580 --> 01:44:27,090podcast like a big RSS feedcode. Yeah, Victoria needs to161401:44:27,090 --> 01:44:29,160see that so she understandswhat's happening.161501:44:29,460 --> 01:44:35,700Yeah. Who is the fountain? Hesays due to precision issues. We161601:44:35,700 --> 01:44:38,760should oh wait, this is a four.Okay, this is a multi Porter.161701:44:38,880 --> 01:44:42,210Okay, here we go. I think I gotit here. Date all these are161801:44:42,210 --> 01:44:44,85010 1000s ask Dave seem tosuggest that we don't require161901:44:44,850 --> 01:44:47,640splits to add up to a 100because it's easy to make162001:44:47,640 --> 01:44:51,600mistakes and produce a differenttotal amount. Although I agree162101:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,210with this requirement shouldn'texist. I don't find this162201:44:54,210 --> 01:44:57,780rationale convincing. Validationcan be performed on the host162301:44:57,780 --> 01:45:01,620side is that a mentioned and theplayer side have a much better162401:45:01,620 --> 01:45:05,370reason in my mind is the same aswhy companies don't limit the162501:45:05,370 --> 01:45:10,110number of shares to a 100. Itwould limit the maximum number162601:45:10,110 --> 01:45:14,730of shareholders and thefractions they can own. Okay for162701:45:14,730 --> 01:45:17,970us, and due to precision issues,we should always prefer integers162801:45:17,970 --> 01:45:20,760to decimal numbers in financialsoftware. That's why stripe API162901:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,470uses cents instead of dollars.For example, finally, as a math163001:45:25,470 --> 01:45:28,950teacher, oh, W Dawson mathteacher. I feel Yeah, and this163101:45:28,950 --> 01:45:31,500makes me terrified for him tolisten to the show. Finally, as163201:45:31,500 --> 01:45:34,320math teacher I feel the mostintuitive way of explaining163301:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,100splits to newcomers is bythinking of them as ratios, the163401:45:38,100 --> 01:45:43,230concept familiar to most as itis found in many recipes. A eg163501:45:43,260 --> 01:45:46,680if Alice's Bob's and Charliesplits are four, two and three163601:45:46,680 --> 01:45:50,190respectively. They will sharethe incoming SATs in the ratios163701:45:50,190 --> 01:45:57,780of four to four to two to three.That is the way that a math163801:45:57,780 --> 01:46:03,420teacher would explain it. You'reright. And just that's more163901:46:03,420 --> 01:46:05,190confusing to me thanpercentages.164001:46:06,390 --> 01:46:07,140man164101:46:10,590 --> 01:46:12,690All right. Let me let me saveyou I'm gonna save you okay.164201:46:12,720 --> 01:46:17,640Yeah. Todd Cochran boosts 50,000in my wallet on found with a164301:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,500debit card. So simple. Goodpodcasting.164401:46:19,530 --> 01:46:20,580Oh.164501:46:22,230 --> 01:46:25,740A bit. You almost fell off thecliff. Okay, I had to save you.164601:46:26,370 --> 01:46:28,980Well, it's almost like if asplit was traveling on a train164701:46:28,980 --> 01:46:30,960at 17 cents per minute.164801:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,610And the ratios to distress.Thank you, Nathan. Yeah, good164901:46:35,610 --> 01:46:39,840line. And thank you, Debbie.Does I appreciate that. Yeah, I165001:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,980don't know. It's just confused.Tone wrecker. 22 to 22 through165101:46:43,980 --> 01:46:46,890BOD verse he says, while itreloaded slinging Sass with165201:46:46,890 --> 01:46:48,330abandoned a boosting165301:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,850haiku. I love swinging SATs.Thank you.165401:46:51,900 --> 01:46:53,550That was a haiku did you getYes, of165501:46:53,550 --> 01:46:55,440course. I got the Haiku. Haiku.165601:46:56,070 --> 01:46:57,090That's, that's our first165701:46:59,280 --> 01:47:00,090booster coup.165801:47:00,660 --> 01:47:06,000This dequeue Bucha cool. I likeit. Borlaug. 25,000 SATs through165901:47:06,270 --> 01:47:08,460the pod verse he says I can'tthank you enough for all the166001:47:08,460 --> 01:47:10,380work that you've you're doingfor this project. This is the166101:47:10,380 --> 01:47:12,930only board meeting I lookforward to each week me but166201:47:13,620 --> 01:47:17,880ditto Yeah, yeah, that's where Iended on the on the boost and166301:47:18,510 --> 01:47:19,740where's comic strip blogger?166401:47:21,330 --> 01:47:24,240Bloggers right here. Oh, youalready did him. Okay. No, no,166501:47:24,270 --> 01:47:28,620no, I didn't do I did the I didhis his new one but not the not166601:47:28,620 --> 01:47:30,360the regular the regular Okay.166701:47:30,540 --> 01:47:35,760Comic Strip blogger 30 3015.Dear David, Adam, the AI dot166801:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,020cooking podcast presentobedience is in acknowledgment166901:47:40,230 --> 01:47:44,760to your safeguarding of freespeech. At don't even know what167001:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,910this word is. And now you'reusing words that now you know167101:47:47,910 --> 01:47:54,330more English than I do. The AIcooking podcast, President OBC167201:47:54,330 --> 01:47:56,670insists in acknowledgment toyour safeguarding your free167301:47:56,670 --> 01:48:00,990speech, offering our fealty inthe form of the part on the back167401:48:00,990 --> 01:48:05,190sets we implore you to keepabreast of the singularity by167501:48:05,190 --> 01:48:09,810downloading our fortnightly showthe constant colloquy upon the167601:48:09,810 --> 01:48:13,530state of human hood. Podcastingis the medium of the people167701:48:13,890 --> 01:48:17,700congenially Yours, GregoryForman yo CSV167801:48:18,630 --> 01:48:21,690Thank you. Thank you comics forblogger I tried to167901:48:21,690 --> 01:48:26,700do like a The Twilight Zone gotwas that was that was that168001:48:26,700 --> 01:48:27,780coming through a little bit?168101:48:28,560 --> 01:48:34,350It would need a little more.Comic Strip blogger just a comic168201:48:34,350 --> 01:48:44,460stripper or a blogger now in AIwelcome li D to the just came in168301:48:44,460 --> 01:48:47,9705000 from anonymous and Bitcoinboost your favorite podcasters168401:48:47,970 --> 01:48:53,280and pod verse plus Alby hashtagFoss and Dred Scott who just168501:48:53,280 --> 01:48:57,000left the chat room live boostingfor boost boost Can I get a 100%168601:48:57,000 --> 01:49:01,920horn please with 222,222 SAS168701:49:07,950 --> 01:49:08,670we got it all168801:49:09,270 --> 01:49:12,78020 is Blaze only Impala no one168901:49:12,780 --> 01:49:16,020understands exactly how DredScott does it but he does it169001:49:16,260 --> 01:49:22,860and will poor guy he said theymay posted with his like Cisco169101:49:22,860 --> 01:49:25,770switch meltdown of epicproportions like it's169201:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,620his job. Yeah. Oh boy.169301:49:28,650 --> 01:49:31,260Yeah, we know it was a bad one.It was a bad one. Yeah.169401:49:31,290 --> 01:49:33,750Thank you very much boosters wegot some monthlies.169501:49:34,860 --> 01:49:40,350We do we have Joseph maraca $5Jeremy new $5 Cameron Rose $25169601:49:40,350 --> 01:49:47,700Lauren ball $24.20 BasilPhillips $25 pod verse LLC. $50169701:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,720Christopher Hora Baraka $10 InMitch downy Tinder.169801:49:52,349 --> 01:49:54,929Thank you all very much thevalue for value if you'd like to169901:49:54,929 --> 01:49:58,379learn more about that conceptvalue for number four value dot170001:49:58,379 --> 01:50:02,339info. This is The whole projectis value for value just heard170101:50:02,339 --> 01:50:04,649where our money goes, what we dowith it, what we do with your170201:50:04,649 --> 01:50:08,999money to make the project run,and how it benefits everybody.170301:50:09,209 --> 01:50:12,719If you'd like to learn more, ifyou'd like to actually support170401:50:12,719 --> 01:50:15,929us go to podcast index.org downat the bottom is a big red170501:50:15,929 --> 01:50:21,239donate button you can use thatto send us Fiat fun coupons.170601:50:21,239 --> 01:50:28,349Also, we have a on chain,Bitcoin spot there and note we170701:50:28,349 --> 01:50:32,009have nothing came in althoughpeople wanted it so badly. Hey,170801:50:32,009 --> 01:50:34,859man, you should ever on chainBitcoin, we need to scan a QR170901:50:34,859 --> 01:50:37,499code to send you Bitcoin manpretty much knew.171001:50:37,530 --> 01:50:41,040So the only time people ever useit is to make sure that it gives171101:50:41,040 --> 01:50:42,030you that it works.171201:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,540Scott Trump's got basicallywe'll test it to make sure it's171301:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,020being used. But of course, youcan get any of the modern apps171401:50:49,020 --> 01:50:53,340at new podcast apps.com and usethat to boost us. And of course,171501:50:53,340 --> 01:50:56,940you want to see that it hasvalue for value. But use any of171601:50:56,940 --> 01:51:00,270them really, there's so manydifferent. It's also personal,171701:51:00,270 --> 01:51:03,060so many different apps. But thatis the preferred way. Of course,171801:51:03,060 --> 01:51:05,010you can always do it throughPayPal, thank you very much for171901:51:05,010 --> 01:51:08,430supporting podcasting 2.0, thepodcast, which is really the172001:51:08,430 --> 01:51:12,270gateway into the whole project.And now let's talk about ROI.172101:51:13,560 --> 01:51:18,270And, yeah, so, I mean, I can't,172201:51:19,080 --> 01:51:23,430he lived he literally came inalmost on time. He said six172301:51:23,430 --> 01:51:27,240months. And it's just been sevenor seven and a half months, but172401:51:27,240 --> 01:51:31,680almost two that he said it andhere he is with the what is it172501:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,630the breeze SDK.172601:51:34,140 --> 01:51:41,640SDK. And I'm hoping to have moreHe's He's helping me and Alex to172701:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,420get up and running with it sothat we can mess around with it.172801:51:45,960 --> 01:51:50,010Hoping to get it to get my handsdirty with it. The one things I172901:51:50,010 --> 01:51:56,370say initially I don't I've readit. I've looked at the at the173001:51:56,940 --> 01:52:01,380sort of structure the wayeverything's laid out. If I173101:52:01,380 --> 01:52:06,750understand it correctly, it'sextremely easy. Rust is a first173201:52:06,750 --> 01:52:08,250class citizen which alike?173301:52:08,550 --> 01:52:09,870Can you explain what it is?173401:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,390It looks like exactly what wethought it would be, which is a173501:52:15,390 --> 01:52:20,010green light, the green lightservice on the back end, and173601:52:20,040 --> 01:52:26,100breeze providing the liquidityand everything on the front end.173701:52:26,730 --> 01:52:32,190And the SDK looks like a way aset of libraries to interface173801:52:32,190 --> 01:52:37,680your app with that service. Andso you basically just, you173901:52:37,680 --> 01:52:44,640initialize it with a with a keyand call and basically start174001:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,510start it start the what is whatis I guess? I don't know if174101:52:48,510 --> 01:52:52,050there's a real node or virtualnode? I'm not sure. Essentially,174201:52:52,050 --> 01:52:56,160then you just you get back whatlooks like a handle that you can174301:52:56,160 --> 01:52:57,630then just do things with.174401:52:57,930 --> 01:52:59,640And you still haven't told uswhat it is.174501:53:00,780 --> 01:53:04,020I mean, it's an SDK. I know butwhat software development kit174601:53:04,050 --> 01:53:09,090No, I understand but I know Ijust want to hear is it like a174701:53:09,090 --> 01:53:09,750wallet?174801:53:11,580 --> 01:53:17,430No, yeah, well, he says thatit's not a wallet, but it looks174901:53:17,430 --> 01:53:22,440like you I mean, you you own thekey the for it looks like the175001:53:22,440 --> 01:53:25,380first thing you do. When I waslooking at it earlier, the first175101:53:25,380 --> 01:53:31,350thing you do is initialize youryour kind of using these terms175201:53:32,100 --> 01:53:36,330backup. Okay, there's alightning node let's just call175301:53:36,330 --> 01:53:40,620I'm gonna call it a virtuallightning node that you can use175401:53:40,620 --> 01:53:43,920to send and receive lightningpayments.175501:53:45,300 --> 01:53:51,060I think that's fair as fair. Asfair to me. Roy has probably175601:53:51,060 --> 01:53:52,560been like no y'all are idiots.175701:53:53,250 --> 01:53:57,120Well, I mean, what what does itreplace? It replaces centralized175801:54:00,480 --> 01:54:01,680custody wallets?175901:54:02,220 --> 01:54:08,430Yes, it would have replacedsomething like ln PE L B. It176001:54:08,430 --> 01:54:13,560will replace the the thenecessity to keep your wallet to176101:54:13,560 --> 01:54:17,670call and you're not callingyou're not custodian you're not176201:54:17,700 --> 01:54:21,780you're in your wallet is notcustodial. You own it the the176301:54:21,810 --> 01:54:25,110infrastructure that your walletresides on and that the176401:54:25,110 --> 01:54:28,980liquidity travels through thatis that that is owned by176501:54:28,980 --> 01:54:29,550somebody176601:54:29,610 --> 01:54:32,940that service right the liquiditythat so it basically is taken176701:54:32,940 --> 01:54:36,360away. Okay, for me, it would begreat because I know that176801:54:36,360 --> 01:54:41,340anything that comes in if I hadthat as my I could replace my176901:54:41,370 --> 01:54:46,230Umbro wallet that I used toreceive booster grams with this.177001:54:46,830 --> 01:54:53,490And the benefit is it wouldalways work theoretically. And177101:54:53,880 --> 01:54:57,690but no one can can just say ohcurry that's it. We're done177201:54:57,690 --> 01:55:01,680because I own the keys to it andI can I also move it somewhere177301:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,540else if I want, because I havethe keys,177401:55:04,110 --> 01:55:07,440right you have the keys, andyeah, it's your it's your keys,177501:55:07,440 --> 01:55:13,590your coin. So you can, you canuse their infrastructure without177601:55:13,590 --> 01:55:18,270risking having anything evertaken away from you other than177701:55:18,270 --> 01:55:20,910the service itself. And then ifthat happens, you just move177801:55:20,910 --> 01:55:23,070into, so you move it to yourumbrella, right.177901:55:23,070 --> 01:55:29,460And because it's an SDK, you canput it into your mobile app, as178001:55:29,460 --> 01:55:35,490a developer, and you can evensend but also receive Bitcoin on178101:55:35,490 --> 01:55:41,010your mobile app. Because withoutnecessarily having your mobile178201:55:41,010 --> 01:55:43,890app open in the foreground, allthat stuff,178301:55:44,970 --> 01:55:49,950I think of, I kind of think ofit like running, running your178401:55:49,950 --> 01:55:55,110stuff on AWS, and all of yourstuff is encrypted, and only you178501:55:55,110 --> 01:55:59,640have the keys. And if some, ifone day, AWS decides to kick you178601:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,430off their service, well, thenthat's fine. You just go over178701:56:02,430 --> 01:56:04,770here and write all your stuffwith and take all your stuff.178801:56:04,770 --> 01:56:08,460And it's, they didn't take yourstuff away. They just said, you178901:56:08,460 --> 01:56:09,720know, we're not going to run it.But you can179001:56:09,720 --> 01:56:14,280also if I wanted to have a vapeservice, I could have that that179101:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,280SDK built into the software ofmy vape. And every single time I179201:56:17,280 --> 01:56:18,930hit the vape, he could send apayment.179301:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,480Do this yes,179401:56:21,509 --> 01:56:25,619this is the stuff I think ofthat. That's how I think at179501:56:25,619 --> 01:56:28,679night. Wow. Wouldn't it be coolif we could vape as a service?179601:56:28,679 --> 01:56:29,669Mm hmm.179701:56:29,700 --> 01:56:33,210Well, we've already got the feedyour sheep thinks. This makes a179801:56:33,210 --> 01:56:37,620lot of a lot. I didn't see feedyour sheep on loan Roy's179901:56:37,620 --> 01:56:41,700article. And in his idea startersection, like and a little bit,180001:56:41,760 --> 01:56:45,870I have the article in the shownotes. It's, it's really cool.180101:56:46,020 --> 01:56:48,480We clearly need we180201:56:48,480 --> 01:56:55,200need ROI. We need ROI to talk tous ROI come talk to us as soon180301:56:55,200 --> 01:56:58,290as possible, because this is agame changer now is all because180401:56:58,290 --> 01:57:02,880I saw you were looking at it asall work as implicit functioning180501:57:02,880 --> 01:57:03,990now, is it180601:57:04,650 --> 01:57:08,280a startup, a test project, ademo project. And I was going to180701:57:08,280 --> 01:57:12,330get around and play with it. AndI went in I couldn't find the180801:57:13,170 --> 01:57:17,730packages were not in the reposlike public repos for the for,180901:57:18,540 --> 01:57:21,540for anything. And he said fornow that you have to build it181001:57:21,540 --> 01:57:24,570off the off the GitHub source,so that's fine. But then he's181101:57:26,850 --> 01:57:31,230he's going to do what he needsto do to give me and Alex access181201:57:31,530 --> 01:57:35,400to the green light. That is atwo parter, it looks like if I181301:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,320understand it correctly, as atwo parter, you have the breeze181401:57:37,320 --> 01:57:42,000SDK code itself. But then youneed a green light library to181501:57:42,000 --> 01:57:45,900put with it. But the green lightcode is not open source yet it's181601:57:45,900 --> 01:57:49,290going to be, but they haven'treleased it yet. So they're the181701:57:49,800 --> 01:57:54,360so he needs to give us access tothe green light code. So that we181801:57:54,360 --> 01:57:59,400can actually build the SDK. Sohe's gonna, he's, he's gonna181901:57:59,400 --> 01:58:02,700give us access to that code,then I'll build it. I'll make182001:58:02,700 --> 01:58:05,670some test projects with it. AndI'll be able to speak more182101:58:05,670 --> 01:58:09,030intelligently about it. Oncethat happens. It looks cool,182201:58:09,030 --> 01:58:10,050though. Very cool.182301:58:10,350 --> 01:58:13,350I'm excited about it. I'm veryexcited. I mean, something we've182401:58:13,350 --> 01:58:18,330been needing for a long time inthis space, in lots of space,182501:58:18,330 --> 01:58:20,640and we can be in anything. Imean, that's what I like about182601:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,250the SDK, put into a vendingmachine, put it into whatever182701:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,800wherever you want it. That'sthat's a cool system.182801:58:26,070 --> 01:58:28,860One thing I like about thelightning ecosystem is the in182901:58:28,890 --> 01:58:32,640the way that is evolving, isthat in I think, maybe the183001:58:32,640 --> 01:58:37,080lightning, the LDK thing was thefirst person, the first group to183101:58:37,080 --> 01:58:40,710kind of embrace this idea. Isthat is you're, you're you're183201:58:40,710 --> 01:58:44,430taking, you're taking a node,and then you're splitting it183301:58:44,430 --> 01:58:46,620into its component parts. Andyou're saying, okay, these are183401:58:46,620 --> 01:58:48,900all the different things thatwhen brought together183501:58:48,900 --> 01:58:52,590constituent constitute what anode is, but you blow them183601:58:52,590 --> 01:58:55,710apart, and you can say, Okay,I'll do this part over here,183701:58:55,710 --> 01:58:57,810this part over here, I'm goingto replace this with a with a183801:58:57,810 --> 01:59:02,160different database, I'm going touse this as an LSP. It's like183901:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,920you, you can mix and match thesecomponent parts. And what you184001:59:04,920 --> 01:59:08,100end up with is still afunctional node, right? But it's184101:59:08,100 --> 01:59:11,340just kind of like, it's likedeconstructed, and you're184201:59:11,340 --> 01:59:13,380running it in different ways.And I think they're taking I184301:59:13,620 --> 01:59:16,050think what breezes done isthey're taking advantage of this184401:59:16,530 --> 01:59:21,210concept of deconstructed node.And they're putting in there,184501:59:21,300 --> 01:59:26,070they're using that as a serviceprovider model, right? So you184601:59:26,070 --> 01:59:29,490still get all the benefits ofrunning your own node? Well,184701:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,180technically, not all becauseyou, you know, you could be, you184801:59:33,180 --> 01:59:36,060know, you could be kicked off orwhatever. I mean, if they don't184901:59:36,060 --> 01:59:40,110want to host you, but you'regetting most of the benefits of185001:59:40,110 --> 01:59:42,930running your own node, theprivacy the, excuse me, the key185101:59:42,960 --> 01:59:47,430key management. Yeah. Thesecurity of funds, you know, the185201:59:47,460 --> 01:59:50,100benefit of having an always onup185301:59:50,130 --> 01:59:53,910like, like an email serviceprovider versus hosting your own185401:59:53,910 --> 01:59:54,330email.185501:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,480Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah.You mean185601:59:57,480 --> 01:59:58,290100%?185701:59:59,250 --> 02:00:01,860No, I mean, And thenunconditional185802:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,530unconditionally. All the way.Right on. Exhausted. Oh my185902:00:07,530 --> 02:00:10,350brother is that I gotta get youout of here with two hours on186002:00:10,350 --> 02:00:15,300the nose two hours on the nose.No. Well, hoping you feel even186102:00:15,300 --> 02:00:20,520better hoping the beef milkmakes the beef milkshakes do186202:00:20,520 --> 02:00:21,330their business.186302:00:21,809 --> 02:00:24,329I get I get I always feel betterafter the show. I get an186402:00:24,329 --> 02:00:25,889adrenaline pump during the show.186502:00:26,429 --> 02:00:28,739All right, thank you very muchchat room. Thanks, everyone who186602:00:28,739 --> 02:00:30,899was hanging out with us. LetDave Brother Love you. We'll186702:00:30,899 --> 02:00:33,719talk to her next week. Allright, man. See, okay.186802:00:34,949 --> 02:00:37,439Podcasting. 2.0 the boardmeeting on the books. We'll be186902:00:37,439 --> 02:00:40,649back in seven days from now totell you all that's going on187002:00:40,649 --> 02:00:43,229come back for podcasting 2.0187102:00:57,900 --> 02:01:02,460You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast187202:01:02,460 --> 02:01:05,010index.org For more information