Episode 120: Chop & Drop

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,270Oh, podcasting 2.0 for February3 2023, episode 120 We got the200:00:06,270 --> 00:00:11,250chop and drop. Friday onceagain, are you ready for the300:00:11,250 --> 00:00:14,070board meeting? That's right.It's the meeting you actually400:00:14,070 --> 00:00:17,580want to attend on a Friday boardmeeting of podcasting. 2.0500:00:17,580 --> 00:00:22,590everything going on with theincredible namespace with the600:00:22,590 --> 00:00:25,740index podcast. index.org. Butreally, everything that's700:00:25,740 --> 00:00:28,740discussed during the week inpodcast index dot social. I'm800:00:28,740 --> 00:00:31,020Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country and in900:00:31,020 --> 00:00:34,710Alabama, the Sultan of scissorsto run with say hello to my1000:00:34,710 --> 00:00:38,820friend on the other end, ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. De Jones.1100:00:40,110 --> 00:00:44,130You jinxed me 100%. I mean, whatdo you mean? You were talking1200:00:44,130 --> 00:00:49,020about biting the inside of yourmouth? It's like during the1300:00:49,020 --> 00:00:52,890intro, I've got some granola andI just rocked to the roof. I1400:00:52,890 --> 00:00:56,460don't know what Oh, my God, ithurts. I mean, like, is there1500:00:56,460 --> 00:01:00,240blood? Yeah, holy crap. I don'tknow what I just did.1600:01:00,930 --> 00:01:05,520I have these temporary chompersin the front, top and bottom.1700:01:05,550 --> 00:01:08,400And, you know, if you don't payattention, like if you're1800:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,010talking while something's inyour mouth, or I'm leaning a1900:01:11,010 --> 00:01:14,100little bit to the left handside, then I can just kind of2000:01:14,100 --> 00:01:17,490like nip the inside of my lip.And of course, the minute you do2100:01:17,490 --> 00:01:20,370that, it gets thick. And thenit's just primed. It's just a2200:01:20,370 --> 00:01:23,730target. Now it's a target. Eventalking, even talking. I can2300:01:23,730 --> 00:01:27,060feel it going. Come on, come on.You want to bring it a little2400:01:27,060 --> 00:01:33,120tighter. But the Pope, exactlyare they doing brother? I'm2500:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,630good? Yeah, yeah, it's been.It's been kind of a crazy week.2600:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,930But yeah, I'd say in general,pretty good. A lot of stuff2700:01:39,930 --> 00:01:43,800going on a lot of information,that information coming out2800:01:43,800 --> 00:01:49,230everywhere and new information.And I had a couple of questions2900:01:49,230 --> 00:01:52,560for you, actually, before webecause we have we have guests3000:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,320in the boardroom today. I'm veryexcited about that. We do3100:01:55,350 --> 00:01:59,070we do? We do have guests? Yes,yes. They're there in the lobby.3200:01:59,370 --> 00:01:59,700A couple3300:01:59,700 --> 00:02:02,940things from from the GitHub thatI've been reading along with3400:02:02,970 --> 00:02:05,610that, I think it's important toupdate everybody on they need to3500:02:05,610 --> 00:02:08,730go and see it if they don'tunderstand it. The first one is3600:02:08,730 --> 00:02:13,980I believe we now have aclarification for what a fee is3700:02:14,010 --> 00:02:15,480in the value for value model.3800:02:17,370 --> 00:02:20,460Is this is this a clarificationfrom me?3900:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,000Yes. You're going to say that'scorrect, sir. That is correct.4000:02:24,270 --> 00:02:29,310As we do and what was anythingchanged to clarify this? Or? Or4100:02:29,310 --> 00:02:33,360is it? I mean, can you give me asynopsis of how what a fee is4200:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,910versus a split? And how that iscalculated?4300:02:37,950 --> 00:02:41,370This is one of those things thathave been perpetually difficult4400:02:41,370 --> 00:02:42,510to explain. Yeah,4500:02:42,540 --> 00:02:44,970that's why I have to I figured Iput you on the spot for it.4600:02:46,110 --> 00:02:50,820So that somebody posted an issueand said, you know, like, what4700:02:50,820 --> 00:02:54,180am I've got? I've got to splitconcept thing. I've got it down.4800:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,230But what is the fee? How do Icalculate that it's not clear4900:02:58,230 --> 00:03:07,320from the dogs? I mean, I'm notsure that there is a way to make5000:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,920it super clear. This is one ofthose things where it's like, no5100:03:10,920 --> 00:03:15,060matter how you explain it, thelanguage just won't. It just5200:03:15,060 --> 00:03:17,640kind of always gets in your way.Well, why don't why don't we5300:03:17,640 --> 00:03:21,930start with who would use a feeversus a split.5400:03:23,640 --> 00:03:28,800Any service that wants to justhave a straight percentage,5500:03:29,850 --> 00:03:34,410regardless of what else is inthe split. So if I if I run a5600:03:34,410 --> 00:03:39,450service, and I and let's justlet's just make up a5700:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,440hypothetical service here, whereyou're gonna put me in your5800:03:43,440 --> 00:03:49,290split. And for that I give youback. Let's just say stats. I5900:03:49,290 --> 00:03:49,980give you back, right?6000:03:50,010 --> 00:03:54,300Yep. Perfect. Perfect examplefor contracts as an example6100:03:54,300 --> 00:03:54,930contract.6200:03:54,930 --> 00:04:01,350Yeah. So So contracts may say,if you want to use our service,6300:04:01,680 --> 00:04:10,650we charge a 1%. Split. Yeah.Okay. The splits are, the way6400:04:10,650 --> 00:04:15,840the splits work is they're basedon a share model. So you, if you6500:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,090have three splits, they don'thave the, the split attribute6600:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,790that is defined in each splitdestination. That number does6700:04:26,790 --> 00:04:31,230not have to add add up total upto 100. So you can have a split6800:04:31,230 --> 00:04:38,160with 150, a split with 25. Andin another split with 20 with6900:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,410us, give me an N and anothersplit with 75.7000:04:41,010 --> 00:04:43,710You've already lost me I don'tunderstand. Yeah. So7100:04:43,710 --> 00:04:47,100like if you the the when you'redefining your receipt, your7200:04:47,100 --> 00:04:50,970value recipients and the valueblog, you have to put a there's7300:04:50,970 --> 00:04:56,340a required attribute calledsplit and that's just a number7400:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,760and it does the number those thenumber doesn't have to you have7500:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,690to eat 100 the number of all ofthat together doesn't have to7600:05:03,690 --> 00:05:08,280equal 100. So if you had threesplits, and one of them was 1717700:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,470of them was 20. And one of themwas 907800:05:10,500 --> 00:05:11,370percentages.7900:05:13,139 --> 00:05:16,229Now these that's the thing,they're not percentages, that8000:05:16,229 --> 00:05:21,089those three splits equal add upto 280. Yeah, so you're you're8100:05:21,089 --> 00:05:25,979not, you're not working, thesplits are not vase 100, the8200:05:25,979 --> 00:05:29,909splits are just rent a rent orjust whatever numbers that you8300:05:29,909 --> 00:05:35,249put in there, that when takentogether, represent the shares8400:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,929amongst each. So if you takethat those three addenda, in8500:05:40,079 --> 00:05:46,469that example, added up to 280.You now you take that 280. And8600:05:46,469 --> 00:05:51,179you've figured out what thepercentage of each split number8700:05:51,179 --> 00:05:55,409is of the 280. So you're justyou're taking too you're taking8800:05:55,409 --> 00:05:57,599whatever the total is, of allthe splits? This is8900:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,330Common Core, right? Or is itmodern monetary theory? I'm not9000:06:03,330 --> 00:06:04,170sure which one it is.9100:06:04,170 --> 00:06:06,870It's both it's post modernmonetary theory, the obvious9200:06:06,870 --> 00:06:09,330question will be in a moment,like, why not just I mean, what9300:06:09,330 --> 00:06:14,370I'm doing in sovereign feeds isit all adds up to 100? To 100%?9400:06:14,730 --> 00:06:18,870Because that's easy for you as ahuman to do that math on the9500:06:18,870 --> 00:06:24,960fly. Correct. So but there's afew reasons why. There's,9600:06:24,990 --> 00:06:28,770there's a couple of reasons whythis is better. Not the least of9700:06:28,770 --> 00:06:35,850which is that if you, if you getthose numbers wrong, if9800:06:35,850 --> 00:06:39,960everybody expects just a base100 calculation, and if you get9900:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,580that number wrong, and it addsup to 103. What do you do? Like,10000:06:44,610 --> 00:06:47,520it's now you're now you'vecompletely you're out of spec,10100:06:48,060 --> 00:06:52,020and there's no way to sort ofrecover from that and figure out10200:06:52,020 --> 00:06:56,700what they're supposed to be. Sothis gives you doing it this way10300:06:56,700 --> 00:07:02,220gives you flexibility to, to addup to whatever value and the the10400:07:02,220 --> 00:07:06,600app can still make a calculationand enrich and come out with10500:07:06,690 --> 00:07:12,510same results. Because you, youtake your you take whatever10600:07:12,510 --> 00:07:15,810number it adds up to. And youconsider that as your as your10700:07:15,810 --> 00:07:19,050100. And then you figure out thepercentages based on it makes10800:07:19,050 --> 00:07:23,220like, it's like having shares ina company, you know, a company10900:07:23,220 --> 00:07:26,460can have, you know, a millionmillion outstanding shares.11000:07:26,790 --> 00:07:29,520Well, who who owns 50% of thecompany, you just figure out11100:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,880who's got 50% of that total ofthe total outstanding shares,11200:07:33,330 --> 00:07:36,210this is the same way whosomebody gets 50, you know,11300:07:36,210 --> 00:07:41,820somebody's getting 50% of haveto add, then they have to have,11400:07:41,910 --> 00:07:47,370you know, they have to have the50% of whatever to to add 140.11500:07:48,090 --> 00:07:52,230So, like that's, that's the waythat you do it. So since it's a11600:07:52,230 --> 00:07:58,350share model, there's no cleanway to just define a percentage.11700:08:00,870 --> 00:08:04,530With regards to just a servicethat wants a percent a flat, A11800:08:04,530 --> 00:08:09,090flat fee. So if those are in thein our example, let's just say11900:08:09,090 --> 00:08:14,100contracts wants to charge 1% fortheir service. If the shares are12000:08:14,100 --> 00:08:18,270always fluctuating, and it canbe any number, you can just put12100:08:18,270 --> 00:08:22,140a one in there because that oneas a once as a split with one,12200:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,740because one doesn't mean whatyou say, doesn't mean anything.12300:08:25,770 --> 00:08:25,950Well,12400:08:25,950 --> 00:08:30,060hold on, hold on. Maybe this isnot a good example, contracts,12500:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,050doesn't have power to doanything. In my feed, or in my12600:08:34,050 --> 00:08:37,650split, I as the producer and thecreator of the feed have that12700:08:37,650 --> 00:08:44,910power. Right, right. So I still,I'm complete, I understand. No,12800:08:44,910 --> 00:08:48,870I really don't understand Idon't I seriously, I don't if so12900:08:48,870 --> 00:08:52,680just from my perspective, andmaybe we're talking on two13000:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,170different planes here. Maybewe're talking under the hood,13100:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,370and what the podcaster sees. Soon the podcaster and for this13200:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,500episode, there's as 5% for oneguest 5% For the next guest 5%13300:09:04,500 --> 00:09:09,090For Dred Scott. There's, Ithink, some percentages for13400:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,420sovereign feeds, which I put inthere, which is not taken13500:09:12,420 --> 00:09:21,240automatically. And, and I've putin 1%, for my user on fountain,13600:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,090so we show up in the activitythere. And then whatever's left13700:09:24,090 --> 00:09:27,900over, goes to podcast index,which is at this point, like13800:09:27,900 --> 00:09:33,99058%, in my mind, and it adds upto 100. And that's how I do it.13900:09:34,350 --> 00:09:37,470Wow, who's doing this one adthat you speak of?14000:09:39,540 --> 00:09:43,260It? I don't know who's doing it.But that's the way the way that14100:09:43,260 --> 00:09:47,940you do it is valid, because itit it's still just share based.14200:09:48,330 --> 00:09:51,750It's like so you're you're justtaking 100 as what you want14300:09:51,750 --> 00:09:52,530everything to total14400:09:52,530 --> 00:09:54,600up to what shouldn't that be therequirement?14500:09:55,890 --> 00:10:00,270No, no, why not? Because,because if if if you recall Word14600:10:00,270 --> 00:10:05,340that always adds to 100. Yeah.And and one of the number and it14700:10:05,340 --> 00:10:09,930doesn't, then it's, then it'sbroken. Correct you do it, if14800:10:09,930 --> 00:10:14,520you do it based on a sharemodel, then even even if it14900:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,190doesn't, if you've fat fingeredsomething, and it goes in there15000:10:17,190 --> 00:10:22,020wrong, it's still people stillget it still functions. Like,15100:10:22,050 --> 00:10:28,800imagine if you've broken ifeverything is a percentage. And15200:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,450then you expect every split be apercentage of 100. And something15300:10:33,450 --> 00:10:38,280goes in there wrong. And itactually adds up to 103. What is15400:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,390the app supposed to do15500:10:39,420 --> 00:10:42,420what my app does? It says youcannot go further. You've done15600:10:42,420 --> 00:10:43,020it wrong.15700:10:43,650 --> 00:10:46,080Right. And see, that's whatyou're trying to avoid. You try15800:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,760you don't We don't. We don'twant that. We don't want this15900:10:50,790 --> 00:10:54,180the strictness of having to dothat no interest because it16000:10:54,180 --> 00:10:58,710breaks things. Okay. All right.So like if you if something as16100:10:58,710 --> 00:10:59,790of 203 Was16200:10:59,790 --> 00:11:03,960it? Well, then let's let's butjust for simplicity of for16300:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,280simplicity of explaining this, Iwould recommend not starting off16400:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,220with Well, you got 180 You gottawrite what you know that all16500:11:11,220 --> 00:11:15,990that already got me out. alreadyfell on the floor. So, right,16600:11:16,020 --> 00:11:22,170okay, so let's just say it alladds adds up to 100. Now, now16700:11:22,170 --> 00:11:23,850take it from there to the fees.16800:11:26,220 --> 00:11:30,030Okay, so the well, the see ifyou That's That's it, that's16900:11:30,030 --> 00:11:33,510important, though, is importantthat it doesn't have to add to17000:11:33,510 --> 00:11:36,660100. Because otherwise the fee,the reason the fee is there17100:11:36,660 --> 00:11:37,470doesn't make any sense.17200:11:37,710 --> 00:11:40,890I understand. Yeah, let's justlet's just take that case to17300:11:40,890 --> 00:11:41,820make it easy for me.17400:11:42,600 --> 00:11:48,690Okay. So then the fee, if youthe fee attribute vehicles,17500:11:48,690 --> 00:11:54,720vehicles true means thatwhatever this split is, you want17600:11:54,750 --> 00:11:59,280a total what you want 1% to betaken off the top after the17700:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,190calculation is made. So what youwant is you want to say okay, I17800:12:05,190 --> 00:12:09,030want 1% to go to Daniel J.Lewis,17900:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,160by AP would immediately rejectthat, because of Daniel J.18000:12:14,160 --> 00:12:19,260Lewis, who was at no does notcompute. Yes. canvasback just18100:12:19,590 --> 00:12:25,080spread. Okay. I see. All right.Now. So this makes sense. I18200:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,080recommend we never talk about itin this way ever again.18300:12:28,410 --> 00:12:31,140Because this is that this iswhat I'm saying? Like, yeah, is18400:12:31,140 --> 00:12:32,670it possible to discuss it? No,18500:12:32,670 --> 00:12:38,970no, no, here's No. Oh, it's notboring me brother at all. It's18600:12:38,970 --> 00:12:41,790money. And it's important here,here's how I understand. Let me18700:12:41,790 --> 00:12:46,830just see, maybe we can cutcorners. So we're going to say18800:12:46,830 --> 00:12:52,470that I have everything adding upto 100. And now we have the app18900:12:52,470 --> 00:12:59,190that is that is that that personis using takes a 3% fee. So now19000:12:59,190 --> 00:13:03,510it's 103. But what the app isgoing to do now under the hood19100:13:03,510 --> 00:13:07,590is going to make a share modeland recalculate that. So it's19200:13:07,590 --> 00:13:11,820all it comes down to the that'syour how many outstanding shares19300:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,560nothing that nothing at all thatthe user has to even know about.19400:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,780That's just under the hood.19500:13:19,530 --> 00:13:24,810Right? Right. Yeah. Well, yeah.So you know, the, it's all on19600:13:24,810 --> 00:13:25,830our system anyway.19700:13:26,310 --> 00:13:29,640Yeah, sure. But I thought therewas a difference between a fee19800:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,670being a part of the entire pie.Or in something being put on19900:13:35,670 --> 00:13:36,300top.20000:13:37,350 --> 00:13:41,820Yes, so the so the way the waythat the spec is written, you20100:13:41,820 --> 00:13:47,610take you take all the shares,add them up, and then okay, so20200:13:47,610 --> 00:13:50,220whatever the payments gonna be,somebody sends a booster gram,20300:13:51,030 --> 00:13:56,520and this is boost gram is 1000SATs may got 100 and make it20400:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,610100. Okay, okay. 100. So, thisgrams, 100 sets and you got, you20500:14:02,610 --> 00:14:06,180know, you got three splits youat you take that wonder sets,20600:14:06,180 --> 00:14:08,490you figure out what the shareamounts are. So you fit you20700:14:08,490 --> 00:14:12,570calculate the percentages tofigure out how, how much eat20800:14:12,570 --> 00:14:17,640split gets done, you you havethose numbers ready. Yeah. But20900:14:17,640 --> 00:14:23,550then the before you do, beforeyou do any of that. You take21000:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,780whatever, if there's any feeslisted. You take them in order21100:14:27,780 --> 00:14:32,520and you say okay, 1% If there'sa 1% of the split in here, you21200:14:32,520 --> 00:14:40,530take one set it off the top,send that split and then the now21300:14:40,530 --> 00:14:44,430you're down to 99 sets and sothen you recalculate everybody's21400:14:44,430 --> 00:14:50,040split shares based on that.Okay. So the fee is a request to21500:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,350say hey, we want we want21600:14:52,350 --> 00:14:55,590recalculation of the wholerecalculation right. Yeah,21700:14:55,590 --> 00:15:00,510we want to fee off the quote,quote, unquote, off the top In,21800:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,740that seems important, becausethere's really no other way to21900:15:04,830 --> 00:15:09,870if you don't say, where the feecomes from, then you don't know.22000:15:10,170 --> 00:15:12,840Like, there's no, it's just upto the app developer. Basically,22100:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,310there's the spec is written withthe, with the goal, to at all22200:15:17,310 --> 00:15:22,080costs. Don't, don't leave thespec ambiguous so that the app22300:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,790can make a mistake. Got it. Andbecause it goes, you what you22400:15:26,790 --> 00:15:30,660don't want is people bitching atthe app developer that they that22500:15:30,660 --> 00:15:33,480they screwed him out of out ofsome kind of payment, like, Oh,22600:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,420you didn't do it, right. And blabla bla bla is like, okay, even22700:15:36,420 --> 00:15:39,990if even if there's some quibblesabout how it's done, you want it22800:15:39,990 --> 00:15:44,430to be just as rock solid, clearas possible when it comes to22900:15:44,430 --> 00:15:45,900doing the math in the app.23000:15:45,990 --> 00:15:49,680Right? Totally agree. So we justneed to never explain it the way23100:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,460you started off to people whoare because people who complain23200:15:53,460 --> 00:15:57,180will look at that and go, Hmm,that just No one No, I didn't I23300:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200get it. It's, it's a weighting.Which is important. Because23400:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,140you're adding you're you have anexternal factor that is unknown,23500:16:04,140 --> 00:16:08,670that is a fee. And you want toadd that in, to then go back and23600:16:08,670 --> 00:16:11,940recalculate everything basedupon the new amount. And that's23700:16:11,940 --> 00:16:15,750how you can count up to 103. Or,God forbid, 110 or whatever,23800:16:15,930 --> 00:16:18,030then everything is recalculated,got it23900:16:19,020 --> 00:16:22,020to V COMM The to V comes throughin the in the boost24000:16:22,050 --> 00:16:24,540with the sphere with the fullthing, the full number with it24100:16:24,540 --> 00:16:26,100with the original number. Yeah,yeah, I24200:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,590mean, it's honor system, butthen the service could say, you24300:16:28,590 --> 00:16:31,950know, hey, you know, you're,you're not really you're not24400:16:32,010 --> 00:16:36,090doing what we asked. And, youknow, they they could say, you24500:16:36,090 --> 00:16:39,180know, they can make an issue outof it if they wanted to. I mean,24600:16:39,180 --> 00:16:42,090I doubt anybody would, but Imean, at least it's there, they24700:16:42,090 --> 00:16:44,730could check the math if theywanted to, to make sure people24800:16:44,730 --> 00:16:46,620weren't right. Not ruin him orwhatever24900:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,520is there. I've heard talk ofpeople saying, well, there25000:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,620should also be a split that isjust based on a number of25100:16:55,620 --> 00:16:59,880Satoshis is that in theresomewhere?25200:17:01,140 --> 00:17:03,180I don't know what you mean. Canyou explain that?25300:17:03,510 --> 00:17:09,450So instead of fountain sayingyou activate this service for 1%25400:17:09,750 --> 00:17:12,210you activate this service forfive sets?25500:17:12,780 --> 00:17:16,440Oh, I see just a straightstraight upset static amount25600:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,500Yeah. There's no no there's nofunction in there for that. That25700:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,760just doesn't seem to be I don'teven see how that's doable it25800:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,930wasn't it was a conversation onpodcast index dot social. And25900:17:31,110 --> 00:17:33,870and I initially thought Oh,that's interesting. And then I26000:17:33,870 --> 00:17:37,020thought no, it's a very badidea. And you would be crazy to26100:17:37,020 --> 00:17:37,500do that.26200:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,040Yeah, the flat fee just seemslike it would break26300:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,060well not not just break it'slike why take a flat fee when26400:17:45,060 --> 00:17:47,700you can get a percentage I mean,you're always gonna get one set26500:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,300can only be more now justbecause it was just a26600:17:51,300 --> 00:17:54,480conversation. Just want to makesure that that didn't show up26700:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,000and that died on the vine justjust like we did just like coil26800:18:00,810 --> 00:18:03,750Oh yeah, no, I don't likedancing on graves. But man that26900:18:03,750 --> 00:18:04,590went fast.27000:18:06,060 --> 00:18:09,750We were I don't know is two anda half years is that fast?27100:18:09,810 --> 00:18:13,500Well, no, we were talking aboutthe web monetization and it had27200:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,740to be jammed into the valueblock we had to do it I gotta do27300:18:16,740 --> 00:18:19,980it. Everybody's gotta be in thatwe want to take Visa MasterCard27400:18:21,180 --> 00:18:27,540and two weeks later, coil bidsfarewell. She's dead. Well, no,27500:18:27,540 --> 00:18:30,780actually they've updated thepage coil bids farewell but not27600:18:30,780 --> 00:18:32,490goodbye not goodbye.27700:18:33,690 --> 00:18:37,620Huh? Well, I don't understandthis because if you look at27800:18:37,620 --> 00:18:41,370their page, if you read thestatement, it says what is going27900:18:41,370 --> 00:18:45,930to happen to my wallet and itsays something like your inner28000:18:45,930 --> 00:18:50,010Ledger Wallet will continue tofunction you know because your28100:18:50,010 --> 00:18:54,360inner inter Ledger Walletprovider is not going away or28200:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,140something like that will coilwas the only wallet provider so28300:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,380it seems like a distinctionwithout a difference.28400:19:01,590 --> 00:19:03,120Well I'm glad everybody took themoney28500:19:04,140 --> 00:19:05,010Yeah, good job. I28600:19:05,010 --> 00:19:07,890mean getting the job every butnow I feel kind of stupid. Now28700:19:07,890 --> 00:19:10,140we could we should have taken 85grand that would have been good.28800:19:10,140 --> 00:19:12,990We could have put that in ourpocket. Yeah, and implemented28900:19:12,990 --> 00:19:15,090something and take it right outtwo weeks later. I'm not29000:19:15,120 --> 00:19:19,470accusing anyone getting PPP PPP29100:19:20,430 --> 00:19:24,360grant. Yeah. I mean,congratulations to to Peter29200:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,580rights for coming into the wiregetting I hope to check.29300:19:29,130 --> 00:19:34,410Yes, one other thing from theGitHub, because it's just been29400:19:34,410 --> 00:19:36,840fascinating. And I read alongwith everything, not that I29500:19:36,870 --> 00:19:40,050understand everything, but I sawROI even show up in this one.29600:19:40,410 --> 00:19:46,050And now this is the ln URLaddresses or I guess we're29700:19:46,050 --> 00:19:48,930calling them lightningaddresses, which I think are two29800:19:48,930 --> 00:19:53,550different things. I think it'sworth yet again asking you for a29900:19:53,550 --> 00:19:59,580little explanation if you can ofwhat is happening there. Wow.30000:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,110Sorry. Should I not do this soclose to the weekend?30100:20:04,470 --> 00:20:09,270No, no, I'm fine. I'm good. I'mbeing amusing myself. Yes. Go30200:20:09,270 --> 00:20:10,470ahead. Ask away.30300:20:11,940 --> 00:20:14,910Well, what is it? What are weusing? And what the hell was it30400:20:14,910 --> 00:20:15,390for?30500:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,160The so there's there's askingfor an attribute. I'm assuming30600:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,560this is switched on that BrandonBelinda first stab at changes to30700:20:25,560 --> 00:20:32,970add L L and address. I thinkthis is a this is an request for30800:20:32,970 --> 00:20:39,780an attribute to be put in. Sothat you can put in an L an30900:20:39,900 --> 00:20:45,750aligning address, instead ofjust a node ID right now, so31000:20:45,750 --> 00:20:46,590that you can Yeah,31100:20:46,590 --> 00:20:50,730so what I understood was, thisis like the get Alby address31200:20:50,730 --> 00:20:56,580where it's known URL. And, andif you test so for instance,31300:20:56,610 --> 00:20:59,670although it's not set up, if youuse the lightning address31400:20:59,670 --> 00:21:02,940adam@curry.com, it wouldactually resolve to, you know,31500:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,930slash known URL, dot whatever.And then it would have a file in31600:21:06,930 --> 00:21:11,820there, I think, a JSON file, andit has my, my node, my Node31700:21:11,820 --> 00:21:17,040Details. Right, so that youdon't have to look up. If I had31800:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,310the custom key custom value, allthat stuff is in there. And it's31900:21:20,310 --> 00:21:25,110just using that, too, as ashortcut to all of the details32000:21:25,110 --> 00:21:28,680that you would need for yourlightning wallet to either yet32100:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,360to be added. add someone to asplit.32200:21:31,410 --> 00:21:39,600So that it looks like it lookslike and make sure.32300:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,590So I thought I thought you werea little more in the loop on32400:21:43,590 --> 00:21:45,360this. If you don't know what itis we can just skip it.32500:21:45,570 --> 00:21:49,350And it will I know that the Iknow that. There were there was32600:21:49,350 --> 00:21:53,160a suggestion to add an extraattribute that was that would32700:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,480handle an address. A lightningresolved address through the dot32800:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,100well known. But it looks likewhat Brian has done here. I32900:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,520didn't see this before it lookslike he's proposing. Did it just33000:22:05,550 --> 00:22:10,680did it just be in the spec toresolve it. If they see it. So33100:22:10,680 --> 00:22:18,120like it would still it wouldstill go into? No, that's I'll33200:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,530have to read over this. Andthere was no33300:22:19,740 --> 00:22:22,140way. I'm sorry, I didn't. That'swhy I asked him like what33400:22:22,140 --> 00:22:26,160exactly are we doing? And I sawRoy chiming in about how that33500:22:26,310 --> 00:22:28,980relates to ln URL, which isreally worth it. I33600:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,490got it. I got I got this. Iguess this is this is the extra33700:22:32,490 --> 00:22:34,620attribute. This is what Ithought it was. I misread the33800:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,110pull request. Yeah, this is theextra attribute. So he's,33900:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,090they're proposing that there beeither an address attribute or34000:22:42,090 --> 00:22:47,490an ln address attribute. An lnaddress attribute would would be34100:22:47,490 --> 00:22:52,290the the resolver. Yeah, and Imean, I don't I don't really34200:22:52,290 --> 00:22:54,570have. I don't really have aproblem with that. I guess the34300:22:54,570 --> 00:22:59,820only thing that feels awkward tome is that I'm generally34400:22:59,820 --> 00:23:06,930uncomfortable with attributesthat only exist based on a34500:23:06,930 --> 00:23:10,350different attribute being set toa specific value.34600:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,290I hate it when that happens. I'mso against that stuff.34700:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,610I knew you would. I knew I knewif I threw that out there. You'd34800:23:17,610 --> 00:23:23,340be on my side. Always. Yeah, solike, if you have type equals34900:23:23,340 --> 00:23:29,010lightning, method, keysassociated type equals35000:23:29,010 --> 00:23:34,380lightning, then all of a sudden,you have the possibility to use35100:23:34,380 --> 00:23:40,560this extra attribute ln address.But if you have type equals35200:23:41,490 --> 00:23:45,330list, I don't know something.Take something else. A Mineiro35300:23:45,630 --> 00:23:48,030or some some i Let's just takesome other crypto crypto.35400:23:48,420 --> 00:23:52,740Cryptocurrency in ln address asan attribute doesn't make any35500:23:52,740 --> 00:23:57,060sense. Because there's there'snothing there that fits what35600:23:57,060 --> 00:24:00,150that is. So you have anattribute. And while it is35700:24:00,150 --> 00:24:02,850optional, which is fine, but youhave this attribute that only35800:24:03,990 --> 00:24:06,960depends on the value of adifferent attribute in order to35900:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,490sort of activate. And that's, Imean, it's not the end of the36000:24:11,490 --> 00:24:14,700world. It's fine, but it justfeels a little that doing that36100:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,640always feels a little bitawkward to me. Well, I'm36200:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,410wondering if we can have adifference?36300:24:19,830 --> 00:24:23,070Well, here here's my here's myquestion. So if I have Adam add36400:24:23,070 --> 00:24:26,490to get albie.com or Adammccurry.com is make it easy. And36500:24:26,490 --> 00:24:31,380that's my lightning address,which means that you can use36600:24:31,380 --> 00:24:35,490that to resolve my node ID orwhatever details. But will it36700:24:35,490 --> 00:24:44,670also be my Ellen URL address? Ibelieve no. Because that would36800:24:44,670 --> 00:24:45,810be very confusing.36900:24:46,920 --> 00:24:54,210Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if the Iwonder if the way forward here37000:24:56,010 --> 00:25:03,030is to is to just write this backso that there's an expectation37100:25:03,030 --> 00:25:06,450that if the address is formattedin a different way, that it's a37200:25:06,450 --> 00:25:09,750different thing. I mean, sort oflike the way that if you have,37300:25:10,020 --> 00:25:12,840you have different Bitcoinwallets and based on the prefix37400:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,310of the way that the hash is, youknow, which wallet address type37500:25:17,310 --> 00:25:21,390it is, whether it's seg wit orpiano, or whatever, like, you37600:25:21,390 --> 00:25:23,970kind of know, is you're lookingat almost like looking at a37700:25:23,970 --> 00:25:28,170header to determine what whatyou're dealing with. So I mean,37800:25:28,170 --> 00:25:31,650it could be something as simpleas if it has an add symbol in37900:25:31,650 --> 00:25:36,540it, which is not in A, which isnot in a lining address, excuse38000:25:36,540 --> 00:25:42,090me, which is not in a node, ID.It's got an add symbol. Try to38100:25:42,090 --> 00:25:47,790resolve it as a as a as alightning address. But I don't38200:25:47,790 --> 00:25:48,570know, I'm gonna assume38300:25:48,570 --> 00:25:51,300Yeah, anyway. So this is why Ibring it up, because it feels38400:25:51,300 --> 00:25:56,970very confusing. ln URL is used alot. And we spun our wheels38500:25:56,970 --> 00:26:00,240forever on the Ellen URL mafiato get it all into the spec.38600:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,880Thanks, guys for not developinganything after all that noise.38700:26:04,590 --> 00:26:07,590So annoying, because you know,upfront, it's they're just doing38800:26:07,590 --> 00:26:11,550it to say it and a habit. ButEllen URL is a payment mechanism38900:26:11,550 --> 00:26:15,090is extremely handy. And a lot ofpeople use it. So we think it's39000:26:15,090 --> 00:26:20,340a bad idea. If, if you have thesame concept adam@curry.com to39100:26:20,340 --> 00:26:25,260pay me like a Venmo address. Andthen Adam mccurry.com to resolve39200:26:26,550 --> 00:26:31,410a my node ID. But if I don'thave a lightning, an ln URL39300:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,900attached to that, then that'sgoing to fail. And so it has to39400:26:33,900 --> 00:26:38,190either both work or your, as yousaid, be a different identifier.39500:26:39,450 --> 00:26:45,570My, my, I guess the thing Iwould want the most. And and I'm39600:26:45,570 --> 00:26:50,130not sure if this is just mebeing idealistic would be that39700:26:50,370 --> 00:26:54,210whatever happens on thisshouldn't even be need to be in39800:26:54,210 --> 00:27:00,000the spec. That this should bewell, I mean, we're getting off39900:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,100in the weeds here. But but theAPI involved would resolve this40000:27:05,100 --> 00:27:10,320on its own on its own becauselike that the Okay, so Elena for40100:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,220the for instance, LM pay, theLMP would do the resolution of40200:27:14,220 --> 00:27:17,580that. And so in the addressfield in the split is just40300:27:17,580 --> 00:27:21,120whatever it is just whatever itis, it's either a node ID or a40400:27:21,450 --> 00:27:26,730lightning address or whatever.But then, but I understand that40500:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,400that that puts, because ithere's here's what I'm imagining40600:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,730I'm imagining is to castthematic cast, thematic does all40700:27:32,730 --> 00:27:38,940of its stuff on in app. And socast thematic is going to have40800:27:38,940 --> 00:27:42,540to resolve potentially a wholebunch of lightning addresses40900:27:42,540 --> 00:27:45,840ahead of time, it's alreadyhaving to make a lot of web41000:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,220requests, a lot of API requeststo do these payments to begin41100:27:50,220 --> 00:27:55,710with. If we then hit it with avalue block that has nine splits41200:27:55,710 --> 00:27:59,700in it, and all of them are ourlightning addresses, then cast a41300:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,750man is going to have to resolvenot do nine lookups. And then41400:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,630nine more API requests, likeyou're talking about potentially41500:28:06,630 --> 00:28:10,83020 API requests, and webresolutions, the these are no41600:28:10,830 --> 00:28:14,880longer even API requests. Theseare general get requests for41700:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,290various web domains. I41800:28:16,290 --> 00:28:19,830would say you've answered myquestion sufficiently that this41900:28:19,830 --> 00:28:23,070is not ready to be set to be putto bed, there's a lot of thought42000:28:23,070 --> 00:28:27,600needs to go into it. And I wouldsay for the splits that I see a42100:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,270lot of comments in the in thechat room, we are late, by the42200:28:30,270 --> 00:28:34,680way, for those who don't know,now available on podcast addict42300:28:34,740 --> 00:28:39,780pod verse, we are let the placefor your comments on how you42400:28:39,780 --> 00:28:43,500want to do splits is in theGitHub. And all of this comes to42500:28:43,500 --> 00:28:48,000mind because I was not payingattention. I was just going42600:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,910along with the chatter and I'mvery sad about something that42700:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,460got put to bed and I thinkfucked up my life and other42800:28:53,460 --> 00:29:04,200people's life. The Lord Jesushelp me witness. We spent42900:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,780horrible, yes, it is horrible.It really is. You know, I've43000:29:06,780 --> 00:29:10,650been taking over some of theduties of the day to day when43100:29:10,650 --> 00:29:14,820people are asking for feedchanges, feed removal, mainly43200:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,700the feed removals is a bigthing. And what I'm doing is I'm43300:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,180handling the incoming, I'll makesure that it's you know that I43400:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,020see it's legit, and then I'll myanswer. My final answer will be43500:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,610we'll do this within 24 hoursand I copy BCC you on it and43600:29:29,610 --> 00:29:34,200then I know it'll get donewithin 24 hours. There was a43700:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,370huge thing. We've got to getemail addresses out of feed for43800:29:38,370 --> 00:29:41,640the spam. I mean, James Cridlandgot a lot of spam it pissed him43900:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,570off. I've always said I likedgetting the emails. And the My44000:29:45,570 --> 00:29:50,550email address is still in myfeed. But now we have a44100:29:50,550 --> 00:29:54,840situation where I knowBuzzsprout has removed it. So44200:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680I'm getting people asking for aremoval of feeds and I have no44300:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,310way to authenticate them. I usedto be able to say, could you44400:30:02,310 --> 00:30:07,770please send me this request fromthe same email that is in the in44500:30:07,770 --> 00:30:11,580the feed. And then I then it'sclose enough for me to know that44600:30:11,610 --> 00:30:14,520I can authenticate you as theowner of this feed. Now that's44700:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,000gone away. Congratulations.Because no one's using the text44800:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,020field, I have no mechanism to doa text verification. And I don't44900:30:22,020 --> 00:30:24,570know what to ask people to do. Iwant you I mean, I should I say,45000:30:24,570 --> 00:30:28,530go ahead and put something intoyour feed into a show notes. I45100:30:28,530 --> 00:30:32,730mean, it's so antiquated. AndI'm kicking myself because I45200:30:32,730 --> 00:30:36,090just laughed at it. And I didn'tthink it through. And now that45300:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,210it's been implemented, you know,here we are. And I know that45400:30:39,390 --> 00:30:43,860Buzzsprout is getting a lot ofthe there was the James did a45500:30:43,860 --> 00:30:47,310story about it this morning. Oh,there's all these customer45600:30:47,310 --> 00:30:50,220service requests. Yeah, we know,we can't find an email address45700:30:50,220 --> 00:30:58,770in the feed. So I think we blewit. blew it on this one. A made45800:30:58,770 --> 00:31:05,490made by life harder. For nogood. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No one45900:31:05,490 --> 00:31:11,220cared about that. Not about me,specifically, but I'm customer46000:31:11,220 --> 00:31:15,360service now for podcast index.And I can't authenticate people46100:31:16,169 --> 00:31:18,839a bit. I bet our guests havethoughts about this.46200:31:19,620 --> 00:31:22,980No, before we get to our guests,I want to hear Hallelujah, Amen.46300:31:22,980 --> 00:31:24,330That I'm right about this. This?46400:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,910I don't know. I just don't knowthat I agree with it. I don't46500:31:26,910 --> 00:31:29,430know that I think is so46600:31:31,140 --> 00:31:36,270I have I have people saying takemy feet down. Yes. So if I can't46700:31:36,270 --> 00:31:41,010authenticate that person, whatdo I do? How do I authenticate46800:31:41,010 --> 00:31:43,770that they have the right to tellme to take this down?46900:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,990We need we have to solve thiswith software.47000:31:50,130 --> 00:31:52,470I know. But my point is, thisguy47100:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,470does read lazy piece of crap.And oh, no, no, no, no, no,47200:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,670this, it's no, you're not a lazypiece crap. My point is, this47300:31:59,670 --> 00:32:03,930got done, rammed through by arelatively small group who did47400:32:03,930 --> 00:32:07,830not consider all the players,all the people involved. And47500:32:07,830 --> 00:32:12,480granted, hand on my own bosom. Ididn't think through what that47600:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,810would mean to me. In fact,because it was only about spam,47700:32:15,810 --> 00:32:19,710spam, spam, but it turns out,you can't sign up for lots of47800:32:19,710 --> 00:32:23,130services, and they want toauthenticate you through email47900:32:23,130 --> 00:32:27,990address. And so that now puts aburden on customer service of48000:32:27,990 --> 00:32:29,850companies who have implementedthis.48100:32:30,300 --> 00:32:35,310Yes, but then you but most ofthese companies have taken the48200:32:35,310 --> 00:32:38,010email addresses out of feedsalso have a way to temporarily48300:32:38,010 --> 00:32:43,170turn it back on for a certainamount of time, 2448 72 hours,48400:32:43,170 --> 00:32:46,710you can turn it back on longenough to authenticate and then48500:32:46,710 --> 00:32:48,630turn it back in, then it will goback.48600:32:49,050 --> 00:32:52,890Okay, perfect. So there's aperfect example. I'm just saying48700:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,580that, okay, so Buzzsprout doesthat I presume you Buzzsprout48800:32:56,580 --> 00:33:01,530you turn it back on. And so itputs a burden on their customer48900:33:01,530 --> 00:33:05,760service, because a I didn't knowto tell anyone that and B that49000:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,010people probably don't know that.So they're gonna have to go49100:33:08,010 --> 00:33:11,160through a cycle. I'm justsaying, when we change things or49200:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,730decide things, we everyone haseverybody not saying that this49300:33:14,730 --> 00:33:18,180was anyone's fault? I'm sayingeveryone's got to think it49400:33:18,180 --> 00:33:21,120through because down the line,there's implications that that49500:33:21,420 --> 00:33:23,790we often don't think about, Icertainly didn't think about it.49600:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,260But I did think about it, andwe're running out, we're sort of49700:33:28,260 --> 00:33:32,640running out ahead of our skis,you know, which is that analogy49800:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,120didn't work.49900:33:35,370 --> 00:33:38,520Now, try something we actuallycan't We can't ski try something50000:33:38,520 --> 00:33:38,880else.50100:33:38,909 --> 00:33:44,669Yes. We're doing something thatrevolt involves skis. The the50200:33:44,669 --> 00:33:48,899way that the way that see whatthe problem the problem is not50300:33:48,929 --> 00:33:54,119with the with the spec, theproblem is with is with us Yes,50400:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,029not just what I'm saying thefact that we're is the way we're50500:33:57,029 --> 00:34:00,599doing this through emailrequests, see what the proper50600:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,709structure for this should be atake my feed down, and then you50700:34:04,709 --> 00:34:08,039reply with a form letter thatsays, here's the web page where50800:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,909you go and verify that you ownthis feed, and it will take it50900:34:11,909 --> 00:34:14,999down automatically once youfinish that process. It should51000:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,089like that we shouldn't even behaving to handle these manually.51100:34:18,539 --> 00:34:20,369My that's the entire point.Okay,51200:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,120so But my point is still validwhen we do these things.51300:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,020invalid. Yeah, the invalidpoint. I just didn't validated51400:34:28,020 --> 00:34:28,170it.51500:34:29,850 --> 00:34:35,940So my invalidated point, whichstill stands, is yeah, we got to51600:34:35,940 --> 00:34:39,000think about the implications allthe way down the line. That's51700:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,150all I agree. I didn't thinkabout it. And believe me, it's51800:34:45,150 --> 00:34:47,820all good. But anyway, we'llnever we're not we're never51900:34:47,820 --> 00:34:51,420going to build that page either.So that's okay. You have to tell52000:34:51,420 --> 00:34:56,910me, I'm gonna build it. No, I'mjust kidding. But now I but I52100:34:56,910 --> 00:35:02,370didn't even know that that thatyou can temporarily turn it back52200:35:02,370 --> 00:35:04,920on. So there's just a lot ofthings that when these changes52300:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,940are made, and I felt that we'reramrodded, because the spam,52400:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,600spam, I'm getting spam, I'm justangry about that for myself, I'm52500:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,630like, whatever you and yourspam, go do whatever, and didn't52600:35:15,630 --> 00:35:20,070throw up the flag and say, Oh,this may bring some problems52700:35:20,070 --> 00:35:22,470down the line for people, andwe've got to alert them and have52800:35:22,470 --> 00:35:25,080solutions. And then we couldhave circumvented all52900:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,250that it's all I just wrote it onthe PED Build page. Oh, please.53000:35:32,070 --> 00:35:33,180Here, no, I know,53100:35:33,180 --> 00:35:33,810you wrote it down.53200:35:34,620 --> 00:35:41,550I'm gonna do it. To see this. Sohere's a problem with with me,53300:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,970this, this is a problem with me,you know, you have these people53400:35:44,970 --> 00:35:47,220that are like, and I saw thiscartoon about this the other53500:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,900day. It was like, when there'sthis old adage, like, if you53600:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,440have to do something more than,you know, more than three times53700:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,100you ought, you should automateit. And, and I just completely53800:35:59,100 --> 00:36:03,390ignore all of that advice. Andthe there's this cartoon about53900:36:03,390 --> 00:36:06,300that the other day, it's like,as soon as you take you say,54000:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,590Okay, I'm going to spend overthe course of of six months, I'm54100:36:10,590 --> 00:36:15,210going to end up spending 25hours dealing with this one54200:36:15,210 --> 00:36:19,890specific problem. He's like,okay, I can, what I need to what54300:36:19,890 --> 00:36:25,680I should do is peel off fivehours, and build an automated54400:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,130solution to this problem so thatI net save myself 20 hours of54500:36:29,130 --> 00:36:33,420work over six months. Oh, thatis a very difficult thing to54600:36:34,110 --> 00:36:38,250do. But this is this is notabout this is not about us. It's54700:36:38,250 --> 00:36:42,510not about you. Here, John, youtrust your John Spurlock as a as54800:36:42,510 --> 00:36:46,410a developer. Oh, yeah.incredibly intelligent manner.54900:36:46,410 --> 00:36:50,820And so he just posted 100% agreeabout removing emails being a55000:36:50,820 --> 00:36:54,330total pain. I'm in the same boatas Adam when verifying ownership55100:36:54,330 --> 00:36:57,120for op three. Now I have to tellthem to go deep into the55200:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,060settings to re enable the emailor paste some text in the feed55300:37:00,060 --> 00:37:03,690anywhere Good luck having anyoneknowing anything about txt way55400:37:03,690 --> 00:37:06,870worse than dealing with someunwanted attention to email55500:37:06,870 --> 00:37:13,950addresses revert, he says thatwas the word I was always55600:37:13,950 --> 00:37:19,350looking for. Rolling back, justpointing something out as a non55700:37:19,350 --> 00:37:23,970technical person as someone whojust is in the trenches. And all55800:37:23,970 --> 00:37:27,510of a sudden, this happened andyou know, I didn't think about55900:37:27,510 --> 00:37:29,970it. No one else thought about itand it just, it just ruined my56000:37:29,970 --> 00:37:30,420day.56100:37:31,170 --> 00:37:33,270Okay, and I have marching ordersnow.56200:37:33,300 --> 00:37:38,040No, no, no, no, you don't. Iunderstand what to do. I'm gonna56300:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,150push this back. Well, if, if ifa host does not have email56400:37:42,150 --> 00:37:45,360addresses, I will say please askyour host. How you can56500:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,140authenticate?56600:37:46,500 --> 00:37:48,240is Ted Hoffman's fault.56700:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,440No, I blame it on James crudewrote this I blame it on James56800:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,970Cridland. What do you blameeverything56900:37:53,970 --> 00:37:54,420on Jason?57000:37:54,810 --> 00:37:56,310It's all his fault, obviously.57100:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,460This is this is this is somebodyelse's fault. But mine let's57200:38:02,460 --> 00:38:03,660let's leave it at this. It's not57300:38:03,660 --> 00:38:08,310your fault. But I certainly wastold it was totally my fault for57400:38:08,310 --> 00:38:12,750not for joking around about itbecause I like I like spam. You57500:38:12,750 --> 00:38:13,560know, this is a57600:38:13,560 --> 00:38:19,020serious quiz. This is a seriousquestion, though. I'm very57700:38:19,020 --> 00:38:24,180willing to create a service ofsome sort. Because we need it. I57800:38:24,180 --> 00:38:27,480don't we need to get out of themanual curation of feed business57900:38:27,510 --> 00:38:32,100anyway. I'm very willing towrite some sort of service that58000:38:32,100 --> 00:38:32,700will58100:38:33,780 --> 00:38:35,040your comms the but58200:38:35,850 --> 00:38:39,960Yuko I know there's nobody inhere. I mean, there's one in the58300:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,130room. But I mean, like there'sthere's there's no I'm very58400:38:44,130 --> 00:38:48,390willing to write a service thatwill that everybody can use to58500:38:48,390 --> 00:38:53,640do feedback ownership validationon the on the new sort of in the58600:38:53,640 --> 00:39:00,150new way or in the old way likeemail to TXT record Thing and58700:39:00,180 --> 00:39:04,590Thing in the feed somewhere likeI don't that's not a hard thing58800:39:04,590 --> 00:39:08,550to write. And we need it andother people could use it I58900:39:08,550 --> 00:39:11,100mean, there could just be a dogyou just have a service you know59000:39:11,130 --> 00:39:15,060about owner validate.io59100:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,090But I don't think we should bethe ones mainly making that59200:39:18,090 --> 00:39:22,170service. Why should we take yourvaluable resources be doing that59300:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,850for effectively somethinghosting companies do for us? For59400:39:26,850 --> 00:39:30,210us or just for us know denotebut then we get we're not59500:39:30,210 --> 00:39:31,530getting rent charge people touse it.59600:39:32,340 --> 00:39:39,360Okay. 100 bucks a month. $1,000a month splits split. I don't59700:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,350know. I don't know. I mean, Iget being ornery on purpose. But59800:39:43,350 --> 00:39:48,180I get your I get your I get yourpoint. And I get John John's59900:39:48,180 --> 00:39:49,890point. I'm not60000:39:51,810 --> 00:39:55,470just looking. I just want to saythe genesis of this did not come60100:39:55,470 --> 00:40:00,570from a good place. The Genesiscame from a cast taking people's60200:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,140email addresses from hostingcompanies and trying to hijack60300:40:04,140 --> 00:40:08,700customers. That's, that's thegenesis of this. And so I think60400:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,690as a group, as a loose group, weresponded knee jerk and didn't60500:40:12,690 --> 00:40:15,570think about what we were doing.It was more like fuck a caste.60600:40:15,570 --> 00:40:20,160And I was all in on that part. Imean, of course, I'm all in60700:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,010fact, those guys. Fuck anchor,anybody, anybody who's not part60800:40:23,010 --> 00:40:28,230of our team is is by definitionenemy or potential ally, enemy60900:40:28,230 --> 00:40:28,740first61000:40:30,750 --> 00:40:34,170enemy of the state. But that'sthat. That makes sense.61100:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,800I'm just I'm just pointing outthat, you know, I think that was61200:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,250all of us when we were weweren't really thinking61300:40:41,250 --> 00:40:44,370straight. We could have had,it's not a huge deal. But we61400:40:44,370 --> 00:40:47,010could have had a little morethought about what are we really61500:40:47,010 --> 00:40:50,850doing here? Well, I mean, what?61600:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,840Sorry, are61700:40:51,900 --> 00:40:52,740you running away?61800:40:53,340 --> 00:40:57,870I hit I hit the mic back. Imean, this is but you know, this61900:40:57,870 --> 00:41:03,420is what happens. You run withscissors, you sometimes you62000:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,340sometimes you fall and hit thejugular.62100:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880Now gonna have one I leftbecause I poked one out with the62200:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,070scissors. Yeah, that's it. Youknow, I'm just saying, we all62300:41:14,070 --> 00:41:16,110just need to think about whatwe're doing. So that's when,62400:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,260when when I see ln URL andlightning addresses and like,62500:41:19,260 --> 00:41:23,580Let's all think about everythingdown the line where that might62600:41:23,580 --> 00:41:26,400screw something up, becausewe're not necessarily all62700:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,880thinking about it in the sameway. Does that make sense? I62800:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,300agree.62900:41:30,570 --> 00:41:33,240I agree. 100% With that, yes.All right,63000:41:33,240 --> 00:41:43,260everybody. 100% 100 100 Sotoday's unless you have63100:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,540anything, unless you haveanything else to annoy you with?63200:41:46,169 --> 00:41:47,759No, I mean, I mean, granola.63300:41:48,810 --> 00:41:53,280Granola. Yeah. What happened toyour beef milkshakes? That's63400:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,660what I want you eating? Or doyou have63500:41:54,660 --> 00:41:57,240one of those, I have one ofthose before the show. That was63600:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,710my Bistro,63700:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,010I really got to try these beefmilkshakes out. It's pretty63800:42:02,010 --> 00:42:05,520good. You've been you've beenbeen high status, praise has63900:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,370been high. We have two guests inour board board meeting for64000:42:11,370 --> 00:42:16,860today. And one of them. One ofthem did a live show the other64100:42:16,860 --> 00:42:21,630day, which was, I would say oneof my most favorite experiences64200:42:21,630 --> 00:42:23,940of all time. And it reallyproved to me that we're onto64300:42:23,940 --> 00:42:28,530something with a new formathere. Something that's new, I64400:42:28,530 --> 00:42:31,950mean, it's it's a little bitlike the YouTube model where you64500:42:31,950 --> 00:42:36,030do a YouTube Live, except thisis done by people who kind of64600:42:36,030 --> 00:42:38,430know what they're doing when itcomes to doing something live.64700:42:39,240 --> 00:42:45,240So it's live audio smash cuts,live audio stream. And but with64800:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,830booster grams coming in, itreally made for an experience64900:42:49,830 --> 00:42:53,160that, you know, we know that youwill talk about, well, if you do65000:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,250a YouTube Live, you have theSuper Chat. There was nothing65100:42:56,250 --> 00:42:59,760like this. When you hear the pewpew, which is now kind of65200:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,850universal for something comingin. And then there's a response65300:43:02,850 --> 00:43:05,820from the people doing the showlive. Then at a certain point,65400:43:05,820 --> 00:43:09,060you and I were boosting justtalking to each other. And Todd.65500:43:09,990 --> 00:43:14,160Todd was literally in the middlejust like here's 20,000 SATs,65600:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,480Adam waves to Dave. I mean, comeon. That's something very cool.65700:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,620And then at the end of all this,the end of this this this lit65800:43:22,620 --> 00:43:28,680session. It was like thisrealization from Rob co host of65900:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,100a new media show that oh man,maybe there's some other way to66000:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,760do things than what we've beendoing. And I think I got the ISO66100:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,470of all ISOs and this is it.66200:43:38,100 --> 00:43:44,520Ding ding ding ding ding dingding ding ding ding ding ding66300:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,280ding ding ding ding ding dingding. Ladies and66400:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,190gentlemen, say hello to the manbehind that voice along with his66500:43:50,220 --> 00:43:52,500partner, Mike Dell, ToddCochran. Everybody from66600:43:52,500 --> 00:43:59,280blueberry. Hey, everybody. Hey,Mike. You they're thinking Ding66700:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,770ding ding ding ding ding dingding ding.66800:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,880I heard that. I knew you guys.Were gonna ISO.66900:44:06,330 --> 00:44:10,830Yeah, make sense? I was. Iactually, I spent some time67000:44:10,830 --> 00:44:13,920getting that like, Oh, stop thestop this show. Oh, roll that67100:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,440back a little bit. I'm doing Oh,yeah, I was recording it in real67200:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,340time was beautiful.67300:44:18,540 --> 00:44:22,290And I think Rob at that moment,had the epiphany moment. He's67400:44:22,290 --> 00:44:25,650like, oh, oh, yeah. It washilarious.67500:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,620So me a little background here.Todd has been in the podcasting,67600:44:31,710 --> 00:44:39,330almost as long as I have earlyproponent, early promoter, early67700:44:39,330 --> 00:44:42,570part of the infrastructure,literally wrote the book about67800:44:42,570 --> 00:44:49,980podcasting and has as run somany different really coming67900:44:49,980 --> 00:44:53,940community based initiativeswhich I've been so appreciative68000:44:53,970 --> 00:44:57,930of. Also longtime supporter ofthe no agenda show understood68100:44:57,930 --> 00:45:04,530the value for value model year Adeck more than a decade ago and68200:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,870had your own I guess, epiphanyof sorts, and seeing you with68300:45:09,870 --> 00:45:14,220that exact same vigor fromalmost two decades ago. I gotta68400:45:14,220 --> 00:45:19,350tell you, it really lifts myheart, Todd, I'm so pleased to68500:45:19,350 --> 00:45:23,700see it and immediately have toask, what's going wrong that you68600:45:23,700 --> 00:45:25,020jumped on this bandwagon?68700:45:26,130 --> 00:45:30,690I think it had that. I think itwas, I got hit in the mouth on68800:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,140one of your guys's episodes, Ican't remember the number I was68900:45:34,140 --> 00:45:37,320literally driving down thehighway and it was like, bands69000:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,480like somebody slapped me upsidethe head. And I'm in the in I've69100:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,120been thinking about this allwrong. That is really, it really69200:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,010was listened to and one of theboard meetings.69300:45:45,660 --> 00:45:50,460So I think the whole industryhad pretty much just completed69400:45:50,460 --> 00:45:54,060their dynamic ad insertions,more or less at the same time.69500:45:54,090 --> 00:45:58,200This was nothing. And it's, it'salmost like it's almost as funny69600:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,340as divorce, like bringing outthe too many eggs book at the69700:46:02,340 --> 00:46:08,130moment, there's an egg shortage.Which, you know, and so the69800:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,460everyone came out with their egginsertion system. And then when69900:46:11,460 --> 00:46:14,670we It seems like eggs are justkind of a thing of the past, you70000:46:14,670 --> 00:46:18,900know, advertising is slowingdown? I mean, I know it works. I70100:46:18,900 --> 00:46:22,980know what's out there. But isthis just a question of, okay,70200:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,100we've completed that it works.And now we're moving on to the70300:46:26,100 --> 00:46:31,410next thing, or or is this morestructural? Take me through that70400:46:31,410 --> 00:46:32,160process?70500:46:32,670 --> 00:46:35,400Well, you know, we spent twoyears rebuilding our platform,70600:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,960and I had this like, huge listof stuff I wanted to do. And we70700:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,070got the rebuild done of theplatform, reskin it and launched70800:46:44,070 --> 00:46:46,590it and then we started addingadd ons. And then I started70900:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,700really thinking about how do wereally help the listeners71000:46:50,700 --> 00:46:54,000because I talked to contentcreators that are not listeners,71100:46:54,060 --> 00:46:56,910graders, how do we how do we Iknow you hate that word. But how71200:46:56,910 --> 00:47:01,380do we help the podcasters?Because it talks them on the71300:47:01,380 --> 00:47:03,600phone and it's about Grow, grow?How do I grow my show? How do I71400:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,940grow my show, I don't even hearpeople talking to me about71500:47:05,940 --> 00:47:08,820monetizing here. And thengrowing your shows we really,71600:47:08,850 --> 00:47:11,280but this is your fault. It'strue, but we71700:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,920hear Mr. Grow your show71800:47:14,130 --> 00:47:18,750so far. So we always like a chiapet. So we started really71900:47:18,750 --> 00:47:22,380focused on you know, bringingstuff to the podcasters is going72000:47:22,380 --> 00:47:24,570to help them grow their show andconnect with their audience. So72100:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,200the podcasting 2.0 stuff justkind of fit perfectly into that.72200:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,390But be honest with you, I waskind of holding back because it72300:47:30,390 --> 00:47:33,600was again that chicken and egg.And I finally realized, Okay,72400:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,350we've got about a access toabout 100,000 podcasters. Not72500:47:37,350 --> 00:47:39,600all of them host with this, Ineed a lot of them that use72600:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,930power press are hosted onLipson, you know, variety of72700:47:42,930 --> 00:47:47,430different platforms. And I said,we can dump this into power72800:47:47,430 --> 00:47:49,980press, and we can also build itin their blueberry dashboard.72900:47:50,010 --> 00:47:54,090And we can one full swoop, give100,000 podcasters the ability73000:47:54,090 --> 00:47:58,290to turn this on. So I said let'sdo it. And the team agreed and73100:47:58,290 --> 00:48:02,820metric, Dave, and you and Davecame on and talked to my team73200:48:03,090 --> 00:48:06,630graciously. And my whole teamwas like, high five, let's go.73300:48:06,630 --> 00:48:08,640And that was you know, lastsummer when you guys came on and73400:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,210talk to us.73500:48:10,170 --> 00:48:12,150Yeah, that's that was good. Hey,those are fun. Yeah, those are73600:48:12,150 --> 00:48:18,120fun. Fun get together. And that.I mean, when you think about it,73700:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,110I mean, I guess you realize yousort of that you're the egg in73800:48:22,110 --> 00:48:24,810the chicken. Yeah, I mean,because the that's the that's73900:48:24,810 --> 00:48:27,210the thing. I had a great littlegig great call with the guys74000:48:27,210 --> 00:48:32,010from wave Lake yesterday. And wewere just talking about, we're74100:48:32,010 --> 00:48:35,220talking about the app side ofthings. And it sort of we got74200:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,220into this, we got into thisdiscussion about this debate,74300:48:38,220 --> 00:48:40,830the classic chicken egg problemwhen it comes to decentralized74400:48:40,830 --> 00:48:42,960stuff like this. And I wastelling them, I'm like, you74500:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,890know, we really decided at somepoint, we just had to focus74600:48:46,890 --> 00:48:50,700almost exclusively. It's likewe, we love the apps. And we74700:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,150want to add that the appdevelopers are who were who were74800:48:54,150 --> 00:48:58,050trying to do all this stuff for.But in order, it's like in order74900:48:58,050 --> 00:49:03,000to love them, we have to get thethe content because nobody's75000:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,720going to write app features forcontent that doesn't exist,75100:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,830right? That's it really goesfrom the producer, to the75200:49:10,830 --> 00:49:14,820consumer. And you know, hostingcompanies being the producer.75300:49:15,090 --> 00:49:19,260It's like we had to get tractionthere. Because if you produce75400:49:19,260 --> 00:49:23,490the content, then the apps overtime evolve to consume the75500:49:23,490 --> 00:49:27,030content that you're giving them.Like it's, it's, that's one of75600:49:27,030 --> 00:49:30,450the most exciting things aboutall this, that all the just75700:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,270avalanche of features you've putout as you went, you went a75800:49:33,270 --> 00:49:37,890whole hog like, yeah, we'regoing all phase one. And you75900:49:37,890 --> 00:49:41,520know, you unleash the Kraken.And now you've got all these now76000:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,750you get so many feeds that havelike a like a, like a sandbox, a76100:49:45,750 --> 00:49:48,480playground of stuff that appdevelopers can fool with is76200:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,020awesome.76300:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,510And Mike's working on listnumber two,76400:49:51,990 --> 00:49:55,410yeah. Well got nine more tags inthe list.76500:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,380Okay, so, Mike, where do you fitinto the story?76600:49:59,010 --> 00:50:03,660Well, I volunteered to be theproject manager for this 2.076700:50:03,660 --> 00:50:07,950project at blueberry. And I'vebeen the one that's been sort of76800:50:08,070 --> 00:50:10,320making making sure you'rehurting the cat.76900:50:11,580 --> 00:50:13,440I haven't been the same sinceI'm sure.77000:50:13,590 --> 00:50:18,330Although tat Todd kind of takesthat job a lot to between us77100:50:18,330 --> 00:50:23,550where we're keeping them busy.But I'm, I'm super excited about77200:50:23,550 --> 00:50:26,820this stuff. It kind of remindsme when podcasting started, I77300:50:26,820 --> 00:50:31,620didn't come in too far behindTodd, in podcasting. And this77400:50:31,620 --> 00:50:33,270just feels like the beginningagain.77500:50:34,500 --> 00:50:39,930Yeah, yeah. So what helped?Let's, let's just go ahead and77600:50:39,930 --> 00:50:43,620hit some some features here.Because I guess the one that I'm77700:50:43,650 --> 00:50:46,680most interested in kind of rightoff the top is is the live item.77800:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,150So how, how are you handlingthat? Are you just allow? Are77900:50:51,150 --> 00:50:56,970you allowing a podcaster to putthe live information into their78000:50:56,970 --> 00:51:01,290feed or you facilitating acommunication back and forth78100:51:01,290 --> 00:51:05,670with a with a live stream? Likehow how's that? Explain how78200:51:05,670 --> 00:51:06,990that's functioning? Yeah,78300:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,790we're allowing them to put inthe information into the feed,78400:51:12,930 --> 00:51:14,700bulletin, both platforms78500:51:15,810 --> 00:51:19,650that were not facilitating thestream part yet. But I have said78600:51:19,650 --> 00:51:22,980to our traders, if you want tobe an I have a shoutcast stream.78700:51:22,980 --> 00:51:25,110And I basically said, if youwant to experiment with this,78800:51:25,110 --> 00:51:29,100and you want to, you know, atime slot, we'll give you one on78900:51:29,100 --> 00:51:32,070something we're running. But youknow what, we've got to look at79000:51:32,070 --> 00:51:34,980this long term and decide ifwe're going to if we're going to79100:51:35,010 --> 00:51:37,530add some sort of streamingservice to the platform that79200:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,920that hasn't been decided yet,but definitely getting the79300:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,350function in there. And you know,here's thing, we get the79400:51:43,350 --> 00:51:46,230function, and then it's going totake us six months to get people79500:51:46,230 --> 00:51:47,220to fully understand it.79600:51:48,390 --> 00:51:55,200Well, and this, this is what Ilove about you. All the podcast79700:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,470host, basically, let me stepback for a second. So there's79800:51:58,500 --> 00:52:03,390always been this in podcasting.Before this project started has79900:52:03,390 --> 00:52:06,030always been the world. You know,Apple doesn't do it. Well,80000:52:06,030 --> 00:52:12,300Spotify does No Baba. So we havenow apps, which and that's the80100:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,480praise, praise the Lord for theapp developers who said, You80200:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,080know what, this is fun. I don'texpect much, I'm just going to80300:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,170build an app with differentexperiences. And we're seeing80400:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,570the people getting pretty busyapps are getting pretty busy,80500:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,040that it's still a minutpercentage of the overall80600:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,120landscape of apps and the bigapps. But as Dave pointed out80700:52:36,120 --> 00:52:42,540chicken and egg, when content isbeing produced 300,000 from80800:52:42,540 --> 00:52:47,250Buzzsprout. I don't know howmany 100,000 for let's forget80900:52:47,250 --> 00:52:51,450the numbers rss.com, RSSblue.com. Blueberry, now we're81000:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,870talking hundreds of 1000s, halfa million, maybe moving towards81100:52:55,050 --> 00:52:59,100a million feeds that will havesome version of the namespace in81200:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,210it. It is it is as far as I'mconcerned and and foregone81300:53:03,210 --> 00:53:09,210conclusion that every app willeventually have to surface this81400:53:09,210 --> 00:53:14,070dead data. It is in fact thenature of publishing. That when81500:53:14,070 --> 00:53:19,620features are being utilized, andbeing published, apps eventually81600:53:19,620 --> 00:53:23,430cannot. It's like it's a humanthing. You can't even I think as81700:53:23,430 --> 00:53:27,780a developer, you look at that,like, Ah, I want to put that81800:53:27,780 --> 00:53:31,110into my app, somehow. The onlything stopping it is corporate81900:53:31,110 --> 00:53:36,090structure. It is a humandeveloper thing. Am I correct82000:53:36,090 --> 00:53:38,040there Dave? Is that what youwere saying? Yeah,82100:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,460the 10082200:53:45,030 --> 00:53:47,400You're gonna do that you'regoing to shame me into stopping82300:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,580soon. Thank you, by the way,that I should be ashamed. That82400:53:53,580 --> 00:53:56,670is 100%. Right? I just did itagain. I'm gonna hold back.82500:53:57,030 --> 00:54:01,980Okay. So the, when you wheneveryou're a developer, and you look82600:54:01,980 --> 00:54:06,840out there and you say, Okay, Igot this podcast app. And, and82700:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,410then I see that there's all ofthese tags in here with this82800:54:10,410 --> 00:54:14,580rich content, that that my appdoes nothing with, it's just82900:54:14,580 --> 00:54:17,820basically ignoring it. It'sjust, it's just a green field83000:54:17,820 --> 00:54:20,940that you would, you can't helpit you have to go in there and83100:54:20,970 --> 00:54:24,570and, and start doing startcoding towards it. Because83200:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,330otherwise, it's just you feelwrong, not doing it.83300:54:28,110 --> 00:54:31,680And I think what also happenedto is if Marco and some of the83400:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,530other folks podcasts, add aconfound, and they start adding83500:54:34,530 --> 00:54:39,420everything, then what willhappen is, is listeners and even83600:54:39,420 --> 00:54:42,210the podcasters themselves willbe in these apps and say, Well,83700:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,660how does he have his guestslisted there? How does he have83800:54:45,660 --> 00:54:50,040his location data in there? HowHow come that's not in my feed?83900:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440How come and then they're gonnago back to their hosting84000:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,580provider and say, Why can't I dothis? And that's going to drive84100:54:56,580 --> 00:54:58,020it fullcycle correct.84200:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,650And that happens already taughtwith you Yes, it's like a wind84300:55:01,650 --> 00:55:05,100bed. Like when you have thosepreview card embeddings and84400:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,290social media and stuff. Yeah,see those things? And they're84500:55:07,290 --> 00:55:09,870like, Oh, what is that? How canI do that in my posts? So84600:55:09,870 --> 00:55:14,820when I hear that some unnamedperson high up in the podcasting84700:55:14,820 --> 00:55:19,050industry, James who was it says,Well, you know, it's not going84800:55:19,050 --> 00:55:23,430anywhere, they got no marketing.We have more marketing than84900:55:23,430 --> 00:55:27,510anybody could ever purchase. Wehave hundreds of 1000s of85000:55:27,510 --> 00:55:32,220podcasters. who eventually willsay, you know, that's why we85100:55:32,220 --> 00:55:38,190make new podcast apps.com. Just,it's a call to Cluj. It's not a85200:55:38,190 --> 00:55:43,080great way to do it. But it's away then I see. We have the85300:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,740excitement around fountain withtheir top 10 most supported85400:55:46,740 --> 00:55:50,580episode list, which is is onTwitter, and I think goes pretty85500:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,570viral. And people like, Well,how do I get on that list? This85600:55:54,570 --> 00:55:58,140is how podcasting has alwaysbeen marketed. There's no85700:55:58,140 --> 00:56:01,740marketing team for podcasting.Nor should there be a podcasting85800:56:01,740 --> 00:56:05,400to point. In fact, podcasting.2.0 It's just podcasting. It's85900:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,380just with new features. And itwill always get we are so far86000:56:10,380 --> 00:56:12,690beyond maybe it'll happen ishappening86100:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,000in you know, go ahead. And youand I know what happened. You86200:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,360know, as soon as Apple came in,in 2005, and introduced86300:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,710podcasting, iTunes, everythingstopped, there was no more86400:56:25,740 --> 00:56:26,370innovation,86500:56:26,580 --> 00:56:29,610mistakes were made, I mademistakes that I made mistakes86600:56:29,610 --> 00:56:30,210myself,86700:56:30,420 --> 00:56:36,960it just it just stopped. And sowe've allowed Spotify, Apple,86800:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,580Google, to set the tone, andintroduce their own namespace86900:56:41,580 --> 00:56:45,180and their own, you know, waswhat we want? Well, and we've87000:56:45,180 --> 00:56:50,580taken that back now. And my, myperspective is, I understand87100:56:50,580 --> 00:56:53,640that, but for the averagepodcaster, they don't give two87200:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,940shits. So we have to explain.Yeah, what the features are.87300:56:56,970 --> 00:56:59,610But that's what that's what youdo. That's what podcast hosts87400:56:59,610 --> 00:57:04,770have always done. You do weeklyshows, you have FAQs, you have87500:57:05,010 --> 00:57:07,470the I think you can actuallyjust put yourself on your87600:57:07,470 --> 00:57:10,530calendar and waste your time foran hour. I mean, it's not can I87700:57:10,530 --> 00:57:15,630just get on the CEO, blueberriescalendar? You have that? I know87800:57:15,630 --> 00:57:20,850you can. I know. Right? Yeah. Imean, that's amazing. That's87900:57:20,850 --> 00:57:23,670what has to be done. And it'shappening. It'll just take a88000:57:23,670 --> 00:57:26,610while. So we have what fivepeople raise their hand at pod88100:57:26,610 --> 00:57:29,220fest when you said Who knowswhat podcasting. 2.0 is,88200:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,990it blew me away. So you know, Igot 10 minutes to do 22 slides88300:57:33,990 --> 00:57:35,730and I'm you know, I'm hittingall the key points, you know,88400:57:35,730 --> 00:57:39,360Valley free value for value dotinfo, new podcast, apps.com, you88500:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,420know, I'm hitting them hittingit hitting them. And, and I88600:57:42,420 --> 00:57:46,950think when I went and did aprocession later, I got to break88700:57:46,950 --> 00:57:49,680this up, those same five peoplewere in the back of the room. So88800:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,760the pros knew about it, but thegeneral population did it. So I88900:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,560think it's just gonna be one ofthose things, they're gonna go89000:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,290home. And, you know, they'vebeen fed by the firehose at a89100:57:58,290 --> 00:57:59,910conference, because they'velistened to a bunch of stuff.89200:57:59,910 --> 00:58:01,470And then I'm gonna think aboutwhat that dude was talking89300:58:01,470 --> 00:58:03,870about, what was he talking aboutpodcasting? 2.0, and he's gonna89400:58:03,870 --> 00:58:06,690start looking around. So now weneed to make sure that the89500:58:06,690 --> 00:58:11,070resources online, are there forthose folks that go to look for89600:58:11,070 --> 00:58:11,430the,89700:58:11,910 --> 00:58:14,370for the education pieceeducation piece.89800:58:14,940 --> 00:58:18,450And it's specific to eachindividual hosting company.89900:58:18,660 --> 00:58:21,750Absolutely, you have a differentUI, you have a selected amount90000:58:21,750 --> 00:58:24,600of features that you'resupporting. And I see that90100:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,470happening everywhere. And I hearthat, you know, it's taken a90200:58:28,470 --> 00:58:31,500couple years, but I hear thewords I hear I hear the right90300:58:31,500 --> 00:58:35,880words being used by a lot ofdifferent people. And with how90400:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760it works, how value for valueworks, I'm kind of hearing the90500:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,380words, it's working. So it isout there, what do we have you90600:58:43,380 --> 00:58:46,710track now how many feeds thatare connected to your90700:58:46,710 --> 00:58:51,690infrastructure, either throughpower press is what it's called,90800:58:51,690 --> 00:58:52,530I think power press90900:58:52,860 --> 00:58:55,620that Well, I think, you know,probably Dave has better data on91000:58:55,620 --> 00:58:58,320how many people have turnedstuff on. So again, is just, you91100:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,590know, we finally releasedeverything final in power press91200:59:01,590 --> 00:59:05,610on Monday. So again, now it's,we're going to do one feature at91300:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,490a time, like matter of fact,we're restructuring our internal91400:59:08,490 --> 00:59:12,750podcast to be able to focus ontalking about in depth one91500:59:12,750 --> 00:59:16,020feature per episode so that wecan make people understand,91600:59:16,020 --> 00:59:19,350okay, this is why you need to docredits and this is the benefit.91700:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,520And little by little get peoplekind of up to speed but again,91800:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,310it's going to take time andwe're going to have to socially91900:59:26,310 --> 00:59:28,560hammer them and we're going tohave to do on Facebook and we're92000:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,890going to have to you know, reachout as much as we can, some will92100:59:31,890 --> 00:59:35,310some won't, but that's okay, aslong as we get in as much as92200:59:35,310 --> 00:59:40,440much as this geeks like to talkgeekery getting this out to the92300:59:40,470 --> 00:59:45,540normal podcaster you know, usingthe word feature instead of tag92400:59:45,540 --> 00:59:50,550right and using other thingslike that, that just make it92500:59:50,550 --> 00:59:53,820seem like it's a you know,something that you know, that's92600:59:53,820 --> 00:59:58,650been around a while they'll theymay you know pick it up and you92700:59:58,650 --> 01:00:02,400know as this Brad's out more.Like I said, I really wish Marco92801:00:02,850 --> 01:00:06,600would start doing that. Becauseovercast is one of the bigger92901:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,800apps, at least on my personalshow. That, you know, most of my93001:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,950listeners come from that I don'thave very little apple on that.93101:00:13,950 --> 01:00:14,490And for some93201:00:14,490 --> 01:00:16,980reason telling my audienceyou're using a legacy app if93301:00:16,980 --> 01:00:20,250you're not using a podcast appfrom new podcasts apps.com And93401:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,280they say legacy Yeah, yeah,yeah. Oh, land,93501:00:24,030 --> 01:00:28,440you know, so. So the, one of thegreat ways to promote this, of93601:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,040course, is just by say, attelling or asking your listeners93701:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,580to try out a modern podcast app.I do it twice a week. I know93801:00:35,580 --> 01:00:41,610agenda. I know pod verse hasquite a share amongst Spurlock93901:00:41,610 --> 01:00:44,370May, maybe he can run thenumbers for me. I think no94001:00:44,370 --> 01:00:48,750agenda shows a quite animpressive number for pod verse.94101:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,580Curio caster probably as well.And now I'm also promoting94201:00:55,350 --> 01:00:59,280podcast addict, because theyhave delete feature. And that's94301:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,120a feature that we use. And we'veactually without No, I mean,94401:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,550we've had, we've had all thepieces, we've had the chat room,94501:01:05,550 --> 01:01:08,130we've had the stream, we had thebatch signal. And the batch94601:01:08,130 --> 01:01:10,230signal is just a Twitter thingthat goes off and actually94701:01:10,230 --> 01:01:13,950people had tied into it. Andwhen I, when I send the so94801:01:13,950 --> 01:01:17,520called bad signal, which isTwitter, and it has to come from94901:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,880my address, and it has some atag in there like pocket,95001:01:21,090 --> 01:01:25,530podcast pocket, some I can'tremember what it is. It triggers95101:01:25,530 --> 01:01:28,410all kinds of stuff like a RubeGoldberg machine, you know,95201:01:29,580 --> 01:01:32,670recording, start, start, start.So people have backup95301:01:32,670 --> 01:01:34,950recordings, if the stream goesdown, there's all these things95401:01:34,950 --> 01:01:37,980that have taken place throughthat one mechanism. And now it's95501:01:38,010 --> 01:01:43,140all been brought together insideinside the app, which makes it95601:01:43,140 --> 01:01:46,650so beautiful, along with andbelieve it or not, no agenda,95701:01:46,650 --> 01:01:49,980we'll be accepting bitcoinpayments, and we'll be accepting95801:01:49,980 --> 01:01:53,250boosts and booster gram boostergrams, hopefully, by the end of95901:01:53,250 --> 01:01:55,590this month, you know, we'restill waiting for Ibex to finish96001:01:55,590 --> 01:02:01,380some stuff up. So that'spromotion. You know, it's, and96101:02:01,380 --> 01:02:02,160that works.96201:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,950There was a naysayer out callhim that at pod fest. And I was96301:02:07,980 --> 01:02:11,460explaining to him, he says,what's on these apps, and no one96401:02:11,460 --> 01:02:14,940knows about it. I said, Listen,I said, look at this screen. I96501:02:14,940 --> 01:02:20,310said, Have you ever on your ownpodcasts, gotten 20 comments on96601:02:20,310 --> 01:02:22,380your show from the time youpublished the time you did the96701:02:22,380 --> 01:02:25,860next episode and got and gotsome money along with that. And96801:02:25,860 --> 01:02:31,980he looked at it. I said, that'sprobably from one half of 1% of96901:02:31,980 --> 01:02:36,120my audience. That's Have youever got that just to any other97001:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,930app or any other function, andhe didn't really know what to97101:02:39,930 --> 01:02:43,530say. So I think once the masses,like you said, Adam, you're97201:02:43,530 --> 01:02:47,850getting people to move, thisthing is going to explode out97301:02:47,850 --> 01:02:50,910casters are going to be like,This is gonna be like crack. So97401:02:50,940 --> 01:02:54,720no, go ahead. When you Yeah,when you when it comes to97501:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,210application development of it.This is this is across the97601:02:57,210 --> 01:03:00,330board. It doesn't. And it's notjust with podcast apps with any97701:03:00,330 --> 01:03:05,550app that gives you a certainfunctionality. There's a for97801:03:05,550 --> 01:03:08,490each person, but I think this ismaybe especially true with97901:03:08,490 --> 01:03:13,200podcast apps. For any person.For each gift for each a unique98001:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,840person, there's going to be aset of features that they98101:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,820themselves cared deeply about.So each and that's why you know,98201:03:20,820 --> 01:03:23,640people sometimes they askpodcast apps are very personal.98301:03:23,970 --> 01:03:26,730And I don't disagree with that.But there's it's really about98401:03:26,730 --> 01:03:29,160okay, this app has thisparticular feature. And98501:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,250sometimes it's not evensometimes it's not even what you98601:03:32,250 --> 01:03:36,360might consider a featurenecessarily, sometimes they just98701:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,740like the way that thisparticular app is more feels98801:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,980more like a native iPhone app,then very,98901:03:43,980 --> 01:03:47,850very personal choice want them Iagree completely.99001:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,010And so all it takes if you havein that in that Paris, in that99101:03:53,010 --> 01:04:01,410paradigm, all it really takes isone solid feature that a person99201:04:01,410 --> 01:04:05,250can't live without. And thenyou've got to you've got as an99301:04:05,250 --> 01:04:08,940app developer, you have acustomer like that. And that99401:04:08,940 --> 01:04:14,520could be and it already is, forme that could be live. Addicted99501:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,390to live stuff. Now the live itemtag just is it's it's just has99601:04:18,390 --> 01:04:24,180kind of made me starry eyed. Ilove it. Now, I need an app that99701:04:24,180 --> 01:04:28,320gives me a lot that lets me tunein to podcast it gives me a push99801:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,430notification when the thing goeslive. I can't not have that in99901:04:32,430 --> 01:04:33,660my life. Now. You said100001:04:33,660 --> 01:04:37,410something very important there.Yeah, go. What you said was now100101:04:37,410 --> 01:04:41,730I have a customer. This I thinkis at the core whether we want100201:04:41,730 --> 01:04:46,560to admit it or not. At the coreof what we're doing here is the100301:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,100idea that you actually get apaying customer when you100401:04:50,100 --> 01:04:56,820implement at minimum value forvalue. So it to up your customer100501:04:57,210 --> 01:05:00,060either to grow your customerbase. How about that, too? to100601:05:00,060 --> 01:05:04,680grow your customer base, you adda feature of live or lit, and100701:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,790you automatically just by thenature of it receive more100801:05:08,820 --> 01:05:15,030Satoshis. You see, I'm saying,yeah, so you can measure what's100901:05:15,030 --> 01:05:17,940really what is really whatfeatures are really worth it to101001:05:17,940 --> 01:05:21,360you to build your as a hostingcompany or as an app developer,101101:05:21,420 --> 01:05:24,780your customer, your customer, tome is only your customer, when101201:05:24,780 --> 01:05:26,790they're paying you forsomething, they're paying you on101301:05:26,790 --> 01:05:29,340a monthly they're paying youthrough subscription, or101401:05:29,340 --> 01:05:32,820whatever it is. It doesn't haveto be streaming sites, but101501:05:32,820 --> 01:05:35,880whatever it is, I think thatshould be the goal, because101601:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,160that's what binds all of thistogether.101701:05:39,149 --> 01:05:44,189In that regard, it's like a, youcan look at app, like app101801:05:44,189 --> 01:05:49,169breakdown percentage, for itfeels like and you can back me101901:05:49,169 --> 01:05:54,869up on this or not Todd, it feelslike that each hosting company102001:05:54,869 --> 01:06:00,629has sort of their ownfingerprint within the listening102101:06:00,629 --> 01:06:04,409apps that tend to look didn'ttend to be the biggest102201:06:04,409 --> 01:06:08,009downloaders of that hostingcompanies podcasts. Like I think102301:06:08,249 --> 01:06:11,189some have a heavy Spotifypresence, some have a heavy102401:06:11,189 --> 01:06:14,759Apple presence, some have ourheavy with overcast and like the102501:06:14,759 --> 01:06:17,969mix, it feels almost sort oflike a fingerprint. And if you102601:06:17,969 --> 01:06:21,719think about it that way, youcould almost say Oh, two, yeah,102701:06:21,719 --> 01:06:26,909per day, you could say that thethe app breakdown, or the finger102801:06:26,909 --> 01:06:30,689app, the user agent, fingerprintfor a certain hosting company102901:06:30,689 --> 01:06:34,799profile is sort of a referendumon what the hosting company's103001:06:34,799 --> 01:06:38,789priorities are. And if there'sthese new if the if you're103101:06:38,789 --> 01:06:43,109swinging heavy towards sort ofindie apps, and, and heavier103201:06:43,109 --> 01:06:47,159with new podcast apps, and thesethese newer featured apps, you103301:06:47,159 --> 01:06:50,519can say, Well, I mean, thathosting companies clearly, you103401:06:50,519 --> 01:06:53,309know, a forward looking companyand trying to further the103501:06:53,489 --> 01:06:54,689further podcasting.103601:06:55,290 --> 01:06:59,010You know, I think the when itcomes to app break down, it gets103701:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,430very lonely once you get below1% global market share, because103801:07:02,430 --> 01:07:05,880no one else does not lonely,there's a lot of apps in there.103901:07:05,880 --> 01:07:11,040But really the Delta really isis in Spotify. For us, Spotify104001:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,860never has gotten much morehigher than 8%. Globally, for104101:07:13,860 --> 01:07:16,710all the shows measure then, butBuzzsprout, they're pretty high.104201:07:16,710 --> 01:07:21,030They're like 1820. And I think alot of that has to do number one104301:07:21,030 --> 01:07:23,910is really the audience that usesBuzzsprout, maybe a little104401:07:23,910 --> 01:07:28,410younger, have a little differentshow show type. You know, we104501:07:28,410 --> 01:07:30,540have a lot of folks that are onWordPress, they're established104601:07:30,540 --> 01:07:34,440businesses. So maybe they're notmore as of tractive. To a104701:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,110listener on Spotify as a showthis may be got someone that's104801:07:37,110 --> 01:07:41,40022 doing a podcast, but I thinkin the end, that's really the104901:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,000only true delta we see. Becauseeverything else stays pretty105001:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,140steady. You know, Mark, overcastpocket, podcast, attic, all105101:07:49,140 --> 01:07:52,140those numbers stay pretty closeacross almost all shows. Here's105201:07:52,140 --> 01:07:57,630the thing though. Spotify getsexactly zero Satoshis, 00,105301:07:57,630 --> 01:08:01,590Satoshis. From from all showsthey have. Thank God. So105401:08:02,190 --> 01:08:06,510everyone does, everyone doeshave a way. Everyone does have a105501:08:06,510 --> 01:08:10,350way to measure their own marketshare. That's right, based upon105601:08:10,350 --> 01:08:17,970that. And it's curious. There'salways been this camaraderie105701:08:17,970 --> 01:08:23,370amongst hosting companies in thepodcast in the podcast space.105801:08:24,150 --> 01:08:27,810And I've never understand, I wasgonna say, never understand what105901:08:27,810 --> 01:08:29,910you guys just don't undercuteach other and why you aren't106001:08:29,910 --> 01:08:33,510just super competitive? Or maybeyou are and maybe it's all just106101:08:33,510 --> 01:08:37,410kind of a front. And people talkabout everybody behind their106201:08:37,410 --> 01:08:39,810back. I mean, there may be someof that going on. It's just106301:08:39,810 --> 01:08:43,470always interesting to me. Andmaybe I'm moving towards the106401:08:43,470 --> 01:08:46,950question of why the heck are youstill trying to get some kind of106501:08:46,950 --> 01:08:49,650group together some kind ofcommie group, like, we're all106601:08:49,650 --> 01:08:52,590going to Kumbaya and we're allgoing to promote 2.0 which will106701:08:52,590 --> 01:08:55,740never happen, because it alwaysfails.106801:08:56,219 --> 01:09:00,089And you know, even getting 10people to agree to the same106901:09:00,089 --> 01:09:03,509thing is difficult getting 30 isalmost impossible. So we'll see.107001:09:04,529 --> 01:09:08,819But I think the ultimately whatthe goal was and trying to form107101:09:08,849 --> 01:09:12,359this new group is basically tohave a coalition or whatever you107201:09:12,359 --> 01:09:15,179want to call it to basicallypromote podcasting. 2.0 But107301:09:15,179 --> 01:09:18,599we've been trying to getorganized for six, eight months,107401:09:18,629 --> 01:09:22,169and yeah, it's not going sogood. It's going slow. So so107501:09:22,229 --> 01:09:24,239we're gonna continue to do whatwe have to do to promote107601:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,249regardless of a grouporganization.107701:09:26,280 --> 01:09:31,110So John Spurlock just thank you.I Spurlock if ever heard of a107801:09:31,110 --> 01:09:35,730boosted grant man you're doingthat's just because alright107901:09:35,730 --> 01:09:38,070because I'm taking you're givingme information but you should be108001:09:38,070 --> 01:09:42,540boosting booster grabbing thisinfo for no agenda in January108101:09:42,570 --> 01:09:48,6002023 31 points 37% Apple podcastthen we have unknown Apple app108201:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,050which is you know that theongoing core media whatever who108301:09:52,050 --> 01:09:57,390knows what it is? Probably justfrom a website 26% pod verse108401:09:57,420 --> 01:10:02,340eight point 11 podcast attic sixpoint Five Pocket Casts that108501:10:02,340 --> 01:10:10,530will who I think 00 2.0 or 2.0features four and a half108601:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,260overcast for 21. And then we goGoogle Stitcher, fountain 1.4,108701:10:16,260 --> 01:10:21,150which is low. I'm surprised howlow fountain is but you know, on108801:10:21,150 --> 01:10:24,990this list at least, charismaticis on there as well. But now108901:10:24,990 --> 01:10:28,110that what this doesn't representis the amount of Satoshis109001:10:28,110 --> 01:10:31,440because it's right, the numberone center of Satoshis is109101:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,430fountain number two, it's a tossup but it's usually pod verse.109201:10:35,940 --> 01:10:39,180And then so the top the topthree would be fountain pod109301:10:39,180 --> 01:10:44,790verse, curio caster cast,thematic, for, for me for for no109401:10:44,790 --> 01:10:51,690agenda. This is serious. I mean,even 8.5% of the 850,000 people109501:10:51,690 --> 01:10:55,350that listened to no agenda everyepisode. So you know, the109601:10:55,350 --> 01:10:57,930universe is bigger, I guess. Butevery episode, that's what109701:10:57,930 --> 01:11:00,480you're kind of looking at.That's not bad.109801:11:01,049 --> 01:11:03,509It's not bad. And I think we'rein a chicken and egg situation109901:11:03,509 --> 01:11:06,539there, too. Let's say we get upto 50,000 shows that are valid110001:11:06,539 --> 01:11:10,169for value enabled. And thenthese apps are going all of a110101:11:10,169 --> 01:11:12,599sudden starting to see thatthey're leaving money on the110201:11:12,599 --> 01:11:15,959table. And this is what I loveabout this piece of it is110301:11:16,169 --> 01:11:19,589sustainability for appdevelopers, if we can, you know,110401:11:19,589 --> 01:11:23,969I care about the app developersas much as I care about the our110501:11:23,969 --> 01:11:26,099hosting customers, because wewant to make sure that110601:11:26,099 --> 01:11:28,199developers are fed can eat.110701:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,600Yes, another minor thing thathas been added to this whole110801:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,290game? That's right, you're inthe money flow. You're you're110901:11:37,290 --> 01:11:40,560still not getting anything fromthe ad insertions, right? Not111001:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,980getting anything from the hostreads? No, would you please go?111101:11:44,460 --> 01:11:48,330Go beg people to send you 99cents.111201:11:49,170 --> 01:11:54,030And with all these independentapps, that keeps a lot of this,111301:11:54,060 --> 01:11:59,070you know, I would hate to seepodcasting only be available in111401:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,980two big apps because nobody elsecan make any money.111501:12:02,010 --> 01:12:06,360Right on. Yeah, we don't want tohappen to podcasting. What111601:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,500happened to the open web whereyou've basically got, you know,111701:12:10,500 --> 01:12:14,250everything's come down to Safariand Chrome. I mean, we you know,111801:12:14,250 --> 01:12:17,670that's there's no diversitywithin the browser ecosystem111901:12:17,670 --> 01:12:21,180anymore. There's everything'sjust all running on the same112001:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,180rescanned engines. I mean, wereally don't want that mean,112101:12:24,180 --> 01:12:28,230podcasting is probably I thinkpodcasting almost stands alone112201:12:28,230 --> 01:12:33,630now. Maybe second only tosomething like Mastodon as far112301:12:33,630 --> 01:12:36,420as or something like that, or itwas as far as just distributed.112401:12:36,780 --> 01:12:39,570Where, where the where thelisteners and the consumers of112501:12:39,570 --> 01:12:44,460the content use, like dozens anddozens of different have112601:12:44,460 --> 01:12:47,700completely different apps toaccess the same content. That's112701:12:47,700 --> 01:12:50,640something you don't want to giveup. Because it's, it's112801:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,770beautiful. And we have and it'shelpful112901:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,510and and the features that arenew are specific incentives for113001:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,540not every podcast is the same,you know, some podcast113101:13:00,540 --> 01:13:03,840transcripts are very important,I put a high value on113201:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,170transcripts, mainly for justfinding something in the show.113301:13:08,460 --> 01:13:12,570To prove Dvorak wrong. But Butother people use it for113401:13:12,570 --> 01:13:16,050different reasons, Chapterchapters, was chapter images, or113501:13:16,050 --> 01:13:20,100high value to no agenda. That'swhere we put a lot of the art113601:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,650that is not used as the albumart, we can still put that in113701:13:22,650 --> 01:13:28,080there and make use of it. Sothese, these are all reasons113801:13:28,350 --> 01:13:33,690for, for a podcast or to asktheir listeners to try a new113901:13:33,690 --> 01:13:37,230podcast app. And I think withthat should also go the hey, you114001:13:37,230 --> 01:13:39,960know, you could if you ifthere's something you you'd like114101:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,500to see change, here's how youcan contact the developer. If114201:13:43,500 --> 01:13:45,690there's something that you'remissing from that fabulous114301:13:45,690 --> 01:13:51,930Spotify experience, then contactyour developer and in this case,114401:13:52,050 --> 01:13:56,370with podcasting, I disagree. Ifundamentally disagree with the114501:13:56,370 --> 01:14:01,290radio mindset of wherever thelistener is I want to be No,114601:14:01,710 --> 01:14:06,270that's it has very low value.Value, because we know114701:14:06,270 --> 01:14:10,320advertising is just not going topay off for 99% of anyone who's114801:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,340trying it. It's low value, whatyou want is your community, you114901:14:14,340 --> 01:14:17,760want to know where you want tohave your community there, where115001:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,430the features that your communityis using and where you can115101:14:20,430 --> 01:14:25,200actually have a value exchange.That is Go ahead.115201:14:26,700 --> 01:14:30,840But here's an interestingdevelopment on our site, is we115301:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,110built our platform to add allthese features to make it115401:14:34,170 --> 01:14:37,800enhance the idea that someonemight want to move to us because115501:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,110when someone signs up forhosting business hosting115601:14:40,110 --> 01:14:43,560service, they go to Lipson pod,bean pod, and wherever they go115701:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,890host they usually there forlife. There's very few people115801:14:46,890 --> 01:14:49,650that actually move their showsand you have to have huge115901:14:49,650 --> 01:14:52,710incentives for a podcasterdecide to move to another116001:14:52,710 --> 01:14:53,250platform.116101:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,860I got an email from a cast. Ithought it was a good idea.116201:14:56,520 --> 01:14:57,150Yeah, well116301:14:57,179 --> 01:15:00,359guess what you went for twoweeks. Back we saw All night all116401:15:00,359 --> 01:15:04,289the time. So do that all thetime. So now what we're starting116501:15:04,289 --> 01:15:08,549to see is all of a sudden, hey,wow, look what you guys are116601:15:08,549 --> 01:15:13,529doing. We're gonna move. So Iput a challenge out there. For116701:15:13,559 --> 01:15:16,139every hosting companies, every,everyone's listening to the116801:15:16,139 --> 01:15:19,049show. If they're not, thenthey're an idiot. But all these116901:15:19,049 --> 01:15:22,349hosting companies that are notdoing anything, I'm gonna start117001:15:22,349 --> 01:15:30,239stealing your customers. So hey,I have an agenda, I run a117101:15:30,239 --> 01:15:34,169business, I have employees totake care of my agenda is to117201:15:34,169 --> 01:15:37,679build build my business. But weat the same time, I'm a117301:15:37,679 --> 01:15:39,839podcaster, at heart, and Iunderstand the value of this.117401:15:39,839 --> 01:15:42,689And I think there's a lot ofpodcasting companies that are117501:15:42,689 --> 01:15:46,529run by individuals that havenever picked up a microphone.117601:15:46,889 --> 01:15:48,539And I think that's a fundamentalproblem.117701:15:48,900 --> 01:15:50,010Get to course.117801:15:51,180 --> 01:16:00,330Yeah, I agree with that. 100%.Okay, so when we You said117901:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,370something that I want to ask youabout? You said that your the118001:16:05,370 --> 01:16:08,280people you talk to are notreally even talking about118101:16:08,970 --> 01:16:11,430growing their show anymore? Orexcuse me, they're not talking118201:16:11,430 --> 01:16:13,830about monetization, they're onlytalking about growing their118301:16:13,830 --> 01:16:17,100show? What, what is thedisconnect there? Because118401:16:17,100 --> 01:16:21,030usually one, you would thinkthat one entails the other. But118501:16:21,030 --> 01:16:23,220it's interesting that they're,that they're concerned about,118601:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,520that they want to grow, but theydon't really are not focused on118701:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,940monetizing is that the reasonI'm asking this for a reason,118801:16:29,940 --> 01:16:36,240because I feel like it that thatstrikes a chord with me because118901:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,080I really don't care. It feelsgood to have a big audience,119001:16:40,230 --> 01:16:42,840whether you want money from itor not. You think that's what's119101:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,290going on?119201:16:43,380 --> 01:16:47,310Well, what it is, is they wantto grow, to have a big audience,119301:16:47,430 --> 01:16:50,520then to be able to monetize, ifthey don't grow to a big119401:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,980audience, they're not going tosignificantly monetize and the119501:16:52,980 --> 01:16:57,360traditional methods that we'vebeen using for the past 18119601:16:57,360 --> 01:16:58,110years, can you119701:16:58,110 --> 01:16:59,370definitely connected?119801:16:59,940 --> 01:17:03,000Can you can you really break itdown? Todd, I mean, I've never119901:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,630done the advertising game andpodcasting. Let's just forget120001:17:06,630 --> 01:17:11,280host reads just programmatic. Ifyou I think the number of these120101:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,280days is well 10,000. If you have10,000, you can start to120201:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,960monetize, what can someoneseriously consider making on a120301:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,430monthly basis with 10,000downloads in a whole month.120401:17:24,210 --> 01:17:27,330If they're doing a straightdeal, nothing special, probably120501:17:27,330 --> 01:17:32,190about 250 bucks, or 25 on per1000. That's pretty average for120601:17:32,190 --> 01:17:35,340host read. For programmaticrole. It's a whole big different120701:17:35,340 --> 01:17:38,520number changes by the secondlonger you're on programmatic at120801:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,370least on our system, the higherthe CPMs get. But if you're just120901:17:41,370 --> 01:17:45,120starting out first month or so,you're probably seen six to $9121001:17:45,120 --> 01:17:50,280CPM, maybe as high as 11. Wehaven't seen much above $11 per121101:17:50,280 --> 01:17:56,3401000. On programmatic. So youknow, on 10,000 for programmatic121201:17:56,340 --> 01:18:01,470maybe 60 to $100 or more beforesplit before admission split.121301:18:01,740 --> 01:18:05,250Are you in your educationalmaterials? Are you showing121401:18:05,250 --> 01:18:12,540people how to view streaming setstatistics either through Saturn121501:18:12,540 --> 01:18:14,970on Git Alby or one of theseother systems? Are you going to121601:18:14,970 --> 01:18:16,920surface that in your interfaceitself?121701:18:17,370 --> 01:18:20,880And not yet, we're not showingthat in documentation yet. But121801:18:20,910 --> 01:18:23,820it's, again, it's a work inprogress. I just be honest with121901:18:23,820 --> 01:18:26,520you. My development team islike, I'm having a hard time122001:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,620keeping up with documentation.They're just not going out of122101:18:28,620 --> 01:18:30,840the ballpark. So we're runningbehind the ever written122201:18:31,140 --> 01:18:31,740paperwork.122301:18:31,860 --> 01:18:35,070I'm just saying because that forfor, you know, the entire122401:18:35,340 --> 01:18:39,540existence of hosting companies,the number one feature was we've122501:18:39,540 --> 01:18:43,380got great stats, you can see allthe look at these countries.122601:18:43,590 --> 01:18:47,760Look at the women look at themen look at the age groups. Now.122701:18:47,790 --> 01:18:52,230That's and look at the map.That's been the main driver, and122801:18:52,230 --> 01:18:56,910it's showing when PeepSo I helplaunch, living up in a down122901:18:56,910 --> 01:19:01,830world, it's a it's a half hour aweek. It's a pastor here with123001:19:01,830 --> 01:19:06,330his wife in Fredericksburg. Sonot even your typical Wow, this123101:19:06,330 --> 01:19:11,160is going to be a top of theapple podcast front page123201:19:11,160 --> 01:19:17,790listing. But they a meet so twothings happen. One, I showed him123301:19:17,820 --> 01:19:22,200because he he went with rss.com.And so they're they have a123401:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,450partnership with Albie as well.And so I said, Hey, you know,123501:19:24,450 --> 01:19:27,630here's your, here's your Saturninterface, you can see stuff123601:19:27,630 --> 01:19:31,920coming in live. And you can lookat how much you got per episode123701:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,520and just, you know, a couple ofways to slice and dice it. And123801:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,680then all of a sudden, the ad, heshows up in the top 10 on the123901:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,240fountain weekly list. And theactivity stream is showing124001:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,360people interacting and now he'slike, Oh, but we have a124101:19:48,360 --> 01:19:53,970community over here. And thatfor Episode Four has been a124201:19:53,970 --> 01:19:57,660beautiful thing to witnessbecause he now he knows that124301:19:57,660 --> 01:20:00,900they're not just talking inspace and Coming back, as you124401:20:00,900 --> 01:20:05,340know, an email here or there, orkudos on Facebook, but actual124501:20:05,340 --> 01:20:09,270statistics that he can now forhimself measure get Okay, how124601:20:09,270 --> 01:20:12,210did we do? What's theengagement? All these things124701:20:12,210 --> 01:20:15,720come to life with with thatactually a very small show.124801:20:16,110 --> 01:20:19,680And it's more valuable thanmoney. It's that engagement.124901:20:19,710 --> 01:20:24,390Amen. Yes, it is. Becauseoftentimes podcasts are feel125001:20:24,390 --> 01:20:27,300like they're talking into space.And the audience are listening125101:20:27,300 --> 01:20:29,370on their app, and there's no wayinteract with them. You know,125201:20:29,370 --> 01:20:32,550maybe they send you an email ifyou're lucky. And you can get125301:20:32,550 --> 01:20:34,740pretty lonely as a contentcreator. Yeah, you shouldn't125401:20:34,740 --> 01:20:36,270try doing a show with the Borak125501:20:37,440 --> 01:20:40,530boost booster, booster grams,and you know, get having it read125601:20:40,530 --> 01:20:43,050on the show. I mean, as alistener, that's fun. So125701:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,430one of the reasons I starteddoing live when so many years125801:20:47,430 --> 01:20:51,540ago is because I was in Hawaii,and it was boring, doing a solo125901:20:51,540 --> 01:20:53,760show, and I just would startdoing live because I wanted the126001:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,330interaction. This has takeninteraction to just like, more126101:20:57,330 --> 01:21:00,090or less new media show he talkedabout in the beginning, took the126201:21:00,090 --> 01:21:03,750whole show to a whole notherlevel. I had, I probably had the126301:21:03,750 --> 01:21:07,860most fun that I've had on apodcast episode in years. It was126401:21:07,860 --> 01:21:08,280a good time.126501:21:08,490 --> 01:21:11,850What did you What did you makeon the last episode? I think I126601:21:11,850 --> 01:21:14,070must have sent 100 bucks to youand saps.126701:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,090Oh, he sent me two or 300,000SATs at least. So I don't know126801:21:18,090 --> 01:21:20,370what the number was. It wasquite a bit. It was it was big.126901:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,580But it was still you know, itwasn't even about I had the127001:21:23,580 --> 01:21:24,000money.127101:21:24,030 --> 01:21:27,420No, but the fun. I had funsending sending you my cash. It127201:21:27,420 --> 01:21:28,740was great. I loved it.127301:21:29,370 --> 01:21:32,700Yeah, again, it was about theinteraction. You know, that was127401:21:32,700 --> 01:21:33,510a big driver.127501:21:33,900 --> 01:21:37,890So you we talked about live itemtag at the beginning. And then127601:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,760you know, and same thing withwith avviso. With value for127701:21:41,760 --> 01:21:47,940value. Some of these tags arefeatures that are that are more127801:21:47,940 --> 01:21:51,660complicated. How, what is yourwhat's your strategy been for127901:21:51,660 --> 01:21:54,540the UI? Because I know that'salways the most difficult part128001:21:54,540 --> 01:21:58,680is like how, okay, we've gotthis thing we want to do. How do128101:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,200we do this in a way that doesn'tconfuse the hell out of our128201:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,820customers. And but still make itlike keep the fidelity to what128301:22:05,820 --> 01:22:07,890the feature is supposed to beheavy? Do you have like an128401:22:07,890 --> 01:22:10,830overall kind of game plan orstrategy that y'all tried to hit128501:22:11,250 --> 01:22:14,610me and blueberry dashboard, wedid the full integration with lb128601:22:14,610 --> 01:22:18,270API. So basically, it's a oneclick, they put their rate their128701:22:18,270 --> 01:22:21,540account, and bam, the data comesback to us. But because128801:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,540PowerPress is hosted on, youknow, 80,000 different websites,128901:22:24,540 --> 01:22:27,510we couldn't do the API. So wedid the lookup. So they put129001:22:27,510 --> 01:22:30,060their we said go over and getin, I'll be account, put your IP129101:22:30,060 --> 01:22:33,420address in here, click thisbutton, and we suck the data.129201:22:33,420 --> 01:22:37,980And we did that for fountain aswell. And the ability to enter129301:22:37,980 --> 01:22:41,550the data manually is the lastoption. So really, it was about129401:22:41,580 --> 01:22:44,940ease of getting them set up. Butit was you know, literally, I129501:22:44,940 --> 01:22:49,830think, as we're testing, youcould really probably get your129601:22:49,830 --> 01:22:53,190value from value set up in lessthan a minute. Just through the129701:22:53,190 --> 01:22:54,630API integration with lb,129801:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,680I just set up podcast insiderwith without being I mean, it129901:22:58,680 --> 01:23:05,040was like, no time flat, wasthere and looked over on index,130001:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,500and it was there after I figuredout what I was doing.130101:23:09,900 --> 01:23:14,280I'm seeing you know, I'mstarting to see these feeds come130201:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,370in. Luckily, there was one thatjust came in a little bit130301:23:17,370 --> 01:23:23,850earlier. And it was, yeah, onpower press. So it's fun, it's130401:23:23,850 --> 01:23:26,370always interesting, this thesame thing that happened when130501:23:27,090 --> 01:23:32,130when y'all put in pod ping allof a sudden, it's like the it130601:23:32,130 --> 01:23:34,530just wakes up, you know, it'slike part of the index just130701:23:34,530 --> 01:23:37,530wakes up. And all of a sudden westart seeing this traffic come130801:23:37,530 --> 01:23:42,420in. And then you'll you'll seevalue value blocks and podcast130901:23:42,450 --> 01:23:45,540updates coming where you know,we know we're getting the131001:23:45,540 --> 01:23:49,800latest, the latest episode dataimmediately within, you know,131101:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,250within a minute, it's like, it'sa beautiful thing to see because131201:23:53,250 --> 01:23:55,860you put all this work in thebuilding Billina like131301:23:55,860 --> 01:23:57,960infrastructure stuff andinfrastructure stuff, a lot of131401:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,340times it's boring. But then whenyou see like when y'all when131501:24:02,340 --> 01:24:05,610y'all put in a new feature, anyhost puts in a new feature like131601:24:05,610 --> 01:24:08,160this, it's like all of a suddenpart of the index just comes131701:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,070alive and you can start to seethis traffic, it really brings131801:24:11,070 --> 01:24:12,600life to it. I've had to131901:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,410make it simple because lot ofthese podcasters now don't know132001:24:16,410 --> 01:24:20,220how to right click a mouse. Sowe had to make it like, really132101:24:20,220 --> 01:24:22,530make it simple as much and Idon't and I don't say that132201:24:22,530 --> 01:24:27,450lightly, because a lot ofpodcasters now, they are focused132301:24:27,450 --> 01:24:30,690on creating content. They're nottechie. So we have to make this132401:24:30,690 --> 01:24:33,690non technical. You have to makethem understand, hey, just click132501:24:33,690 --> 01:24:36,660here to get signed up. And thengive them the education how to132601:24:36,720 --> 01:24:37,410how to move forward.132701:24:37,710 --> 01:24:40,620When we started. We were allgeeks and everybody that132801:24:40,620 --> 01:24:46,530listened was a geek. Yeah. Now,literally weekly basis. I'm132901:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,820teaching people how to cut andpaste. I mean, it's that, you133001:24:50,820 --> 01:24:56,070know, that when we have a techbar, they're there. They can133101:24:56,070 --> 01:24:59,190still do podcasting. They justneed a little push and133201:24:59,220 --> 01:24:59,970interesting work.133301:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,690Interesting story. A Tina is inChicago right now visiting.133401:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,180She's visiting her family, butwe're in Indiana. But she's in133501:25:09,180 --> 01:25:13,260Chicago because they actuallyare doing a meet up a keeper133601:25:13,260 --> 01:25:18,630meet up, notice how the curryhas been dropped the keeper133701:25:18,630 --> 01:25:26,220meetup. And, and so Kate who wasorganizing her husband, I think,133801:25:26,220 --> 01:25:29,850as a listener to no agenda fromday one. But if I understand the133901:25:29,850 --> 01:25:33,960story, he was working at Appleat the Apple Store, and people134001:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,800would come in, and they wouldhave trouble setting stuff up.134101:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,040And so he would allow theemployee, the Apple employees134201:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,920after work to go and help theolder people to go and help them134301:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,940set something up at home. Andthat was a show against Apple134401:25:47,940 --> 01:25:51,210policy that he actually had tolet these people go because they134501:25:51,210 --> 01:25:55,170were doing that. And then hequit himself. And he started a134601:25:55,170 --> 01:26:01,440service of people going to yourhouse to help you simply set up134701:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,860the Zoom call or something likethat. But if you think old134801:26:04,860 --> 01:26:07,890people equals poor people, yougot something else coming. Oh,134901:26:07,890 --> 01:26:12,060that's true. He's he is makingmoney. And he is making bank on135001:26:12,060 --> 01:26:15,690this bank. And he has, you know,I don't know how many employees135101:26:15,690 --> 01:26:19,230gone to people and everyone'smaking good money doing this. So135201:26:19,230 --> 01:26:22,590they can also serve, you know,the people who don't have a lot135301:26:22,590 --> 01:26:27,390of money. It's really beautifulto see. So you know, yes, yes,135401:26:27,390 --> 01:26:31,440holding people's hands does it,it pays off. The other British135501:26:31,860 --> 01:26:35,130support team are always youknow, doing some hand holding135601:26:35,130 --> 01:26:38,700and, and it works out, you know,usually the first week or two135701:26:38,700 --> 01:26:41,790there's a lot of questions andthen they disappear. And they're135801:26:41,790 --> 01:26:42,750podcasters.135901:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,300Exactly as we wouldn't have acustomer one if Mike wasn't lead136001:26:48,300 --> 01:26:51,480my support team and as I would,I would probably not be a good136101:26:51,480 --> 01:26:53,430customer service. Rep. Ihaven't.136201:27:01,830 --> 01:27:06,480Ding, ding ding on time. Where Ididn't hit the button, right.136301:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,640We've all been there, Mike.We've all been there.136401:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,310Hey, who's pod surf.fm?136501:27:16,530 --> 01:27:18,960Or heard of it? Pods are? Yeah,136601:27:18,990 --> 01:27:21,420there is they're hitting podping. Pretty good pretty hard136701:27:21,420 --> 01:27:26,190with updates. Let's surf doneinteresting. Almost on why this136801:27:26,190 --> 01:27:29,760pod Pink Dot Watch is where youcan go and see new feeds being136901:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,150submitted that run through podpaying and save the Earth at the137001:27:33,150 --> 01:27:37,710same time by not using computerresources wastefully.137101:27:38,250 --> 01:27:41,070While we both were boiling theoceans with Bitcoin and saving137201:27:41,070 --> 01:27:43,080it. We balance137301:27:43,710 --> 01:27:47,250our carbon credits are equalizedis good. Good deals a good deal.137401:27:47,280 --> 01:27:47,640Yeah,137501:27:47,730 --> 01:27:49,260I demand respect for this. Sowhoever137601:27:49,260 --> 01:27:53,610pod serve is Welcome to theparty. They're pushing some137701:27:53,610 --> 01:27:54,240updates.137801:27:56,760 --> 01:27:57,600Go ahead and go ahead.137901:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,170I've seen a lot of stuff that'sbeen coming this coming because138001:28:01,170 --> 01:28:03,240you know people have got someprojects they're working on so I138101:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,660think we're you're gonna have agood podcasting 2.0 year because138201:28:06,660 --> 01:28:08,730there's a lot of people arebuilding product right now.138301:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,020Well, you're not getting you'renot the official promotion King.138401:28:14,670 --> 01:28:17,670Do my best, you know, to behonest with you, Adam, I made a138501:28:17,670 --> 01:28:21,090commitment this year, whenever Iwas going to, you know that I138601:28:21,090 --> 01:28:23,790take a topic every year and talkabout it for the whole year. So138701:28:23,790 --> 01:28:26,430this year, if I applied to speaksomewhere, it's going to be138801:28:26,430 --> 01:28:30,720podcasting 2.0 all year. So thatif I go somewhere that's going138901:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,420to be the topic that we're we'regoing to cover if they don't if139001:28:33,420 --> 01:28:34,200they want me to speak139101:28:35,130 --> 01:28:40,170they love I think the I thinkthe we may be starting to see139201:28:40,170 --> 01:28:44,790some real a real shift or realturning the corner on so on the139301:28:44,790 --> 01:28:46,920social interact on cross appcomments.139401:28:46,950 --> 01:28:49,710Oh, stop threatening me. No, no,this139501:28:49,710 --> 01:28:51,420is for reals. For reals139601:28:51,930 --> 01:28:53,820at the top of our list. Yep.139701:28:53,850 --> 01:29:02,130Well, the because gamma inNathan gay thrive and assisted139801:29:02,130 --> 01:29:06,750by John Spurlock are reallyworking to put cross out139901:29:06,750 --> 01:29:11,280comments to surface them on thepod on our website, podcast.140001:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,000index.org. I love that as abootstrap. Yeah. And I think140101:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,230like, that's, that's howpodcasts distribute. That's how140201:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,610cross app comments is going toevolve, is is going to evolve by140301:29:23,610 --> 01:29:28,800people. But by slow momentum ofthings beginning to pop up in140401:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,550various places. It's got to besurfaced in order for people to140501:29:32,550 --> 01:29:36,000know that it's a thing and toknow what's there. But I really140601:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,770love this idea of putting it onon the web, because that's kind140701:29:40,770 --> 01:29:45,360of like the wheat. We get a lotof web traffic. I mean, you know140801:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,140people go and they search youknow, hat is may podcasters go140901:29:49,140 --> 01:29:51,570and they want to search the AESmy podcast in this in this141001:29:51,570 --> 01:29:54,060directory is it in thisdirectory people people like to141101:29:54,060 --> 01:29:57,870do searches for themselves? Youknow, and we are I don't know141201:29:57,870 --> 01:30:00,540how many I don't know how muchtraffic we Because I haven't141301:30:00,540 --> 01:30:02,850looked at stats in a long time,but we actually get a pretty141401:30:02,850 --> 01:30:07,020substantial amount of just rawweb traffic to our website. And141501:30:07,020 --> 01:30:11,070I think that will, that could bea big deal to have that show141601:30:11,070 --> 01:30:12,810that stuff show up. And thenwe'd send141701:30:12,810 --> 01:30:16,080people over there all the time.Yeah, since we've implemented141801:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,280pod ping, there's no onboardingfor you guys. I just tell them141901:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,280to go over search for theirshow, grab the link, they can142001:30:23,340 --> 01:30:27,270throw that wherever they want.And so I'm sending lots of142101:30:27,270 --> 01:30:27,780people there.142201:30:28,620 --> 01:30:30,900Yep, yep. And that, I mean, Ithink it's gonna be a big deal.142301:30:31,560 --> 01:30:32,910process by dad.142401:30:33,090 --> 01:30:34,500Oh, no, go ahead. Go ahead,please.142501:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,500No, I think the cross appcomments piece for me is the one142601:30:37,500 --> 01:30:39,690I struggle with the most. Andthen the conversations you guys142701:30:39,690 --> 01:30:41,520have had during the boardmeeting has been good for me.142801:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,400But as a hosting provider, I'mlike, Okay, it's easy. It's an142901:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,700easy thing to implement from atechnical standpoint. But I'm143001:30:47,700 --> 01:30:50,430gonna have to go a different anextra step, we're going to have143101:30:50,430 --> 01:30:53,010to give him some sort ofendpoint because you know, the143201:30:53,010 --> 01:30:55,860average content creator, they'renot running the mastodon box,143301:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,750they were going to have to givethem a place where that origin143401:31:00,750 --> 01:31:04,740point can be. And that's thebiggest challenge that I'm going143501:31:04,740 --> 01:31:07,950through my head is how do Iimplement it? So that is, okay.143601:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,980When you create a new episode,where I want to populate this143701:31:10,980 --> 01:31:13,950with a link on where your crossapp comments are going to143801:31:14,340 --> 01:31:17,580originate, do it for them, sothey don't have to think about143901:31:17,580 --> 01:31:21,180it. That's the biggest gonna bethe biggest challenge for us.144001:31:21,270 --> 01:31:21,810You know,144101:31:21,810 --> 01:31:27,300this. I'm glad you you just gaveme a brainstorm Todd. This is144201:31:27,330 --> 01:31:29,790this is, this is actually reallyinteresting, because we've had144301:31:29,790 --> 01:31:33,870this the biggest issue ismoderation. And we've had this144401:31:33,870 --> 01:31:39,840debate about whether or nothosting companies should you144501:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,050know, should be a dirty word,whether or not they should be144601:31:43,080 --> 01:31:48,540rolling their own Mastodon orjust calling a Macedon API144701:31:48,540 --> 01:31:54,420somewhere that the Creator owns.And it just it strikes me that144801:31:54,420 --> 01:31:59,610you don't you can do it eitherdirection. So you could say this144901:31:59,610 --> 01:32:01,560is what you're talking about.That would be sort of a hard145001:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,830sell to your customer base. Youcould say okay, well you aren't145101:32:04,830 --> 01:32:07,530you know, you need to put inyour own Mastodon you need to145201:32:07,530 --> 01:32:11,550link your own Mastodon accountto your dashboard so that we can145301:32:11,550 --> 01:32:14,370create a post on your behalfwhen you post a new episode.145401:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,340That's one way to do it that'sthey'll never do it right never145501:32:17,340 --> 01:32:21,060gives the so the the otheroption and I think this is just145601:32:21,060 --> 01:32:26,010as legit is what you said yourun you run your own Mastodon or145701:32:26,010 --> 01:32:31,230activity poke client. But thenyou block Federation initially145801:32:31,920 --> 01:32:36,930to only to only other instanceswhere you know that they have145901:32:36,930 --> 01:32:40,320solid moderation. So, soinitially, you say, Okay, we're146001:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,020going to run a mastodon, butwe're not going to allow146101:32:43,020 --> 01:32:46,680comments from other instancesexcept these on this approved146201:32:46,680 --> 01:32:51,030list. And maybe over time, youslowly expand that to include146301:32:51,030 --> 01:32:54,180more but at the beginning yousay okay, Mastodon dot social,146401:32:54,540 --> 01:32:58,830you basically curate youwhitelist the activity pub world146501:32:58,830 --> 01:33:03,030initially so that you don't haveto, so that you're only dealing146601:33:03,030 --> 01:33:06,960with comments possibly comingfrom other sites where you know146701:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,900that the monitor they're goingto take care of the moderation.146801:33:10,500 --> 01:33:15,600That way you don't you have youlower your risk of having your146901:33:15,810 --> 01:33:17,880day having to moderate stuffyourself.147001:33:19,110 --> 01:33:20,280And I think that's a good idea.147101:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,920Because Because you get you getthis you get the solidity of147201:33:25,920 --> 01:33:30,390having your own platform, butyou get the safety of not having147301:33:30,390 --> 01:33:35,640to accept content from theentire world from you because147401:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,730there's if you if you restrictto just let's just say the top147501:33:39,090 --> 01:33:43,620you know, 20 well knownrespected Mastodon hosts by147601:33:43,620 --> 01:33:49,050size, you're probably in greatshape. Because if because if a147701:33:49,380 --> 01:33:53,820if a podcaster does not havetheir own Mastodon account, the147801:33:53,820 --> 01:33:58,230likelihood of them carrycarrying to receive comments147901:33:58,230 --> 01:34:01,950from from some Mastodoninstance, it only only has six148001:34:01,950 --> 01:34:07,950people on it, it's probablyzero. That's a pretty good that148101:34:07,950 --> 01:34:10,170might be the way forward, youknow.148201:34:12,570 --> 01:34:15,660Yeah, you know, again, it's justhow do we get the adoption? We148301:34:15,660 --> 01:34:17,970can put it in there things slapthat in there and have that in148401:34:17,970 --> 01:34:21,990there a week. But how do you youknow, how do you make it so148501:34:21,990 --> 01:34:23,700they're actually going to use itall adoption148601:34:23,700 --> 01:34:27,480is slow with podcasting. Andfrom time to time from time to148701:34:27,480 --> 01:34:34,140time? Something happens. And2016 I believe was cereal. It148801:34:34,140 --> 01:34:38,250happened at this which cerealhave made a difference two years148901:34:38,280 --> 01:34:42,750earlier, maybe not. All allelements of the universe,149001:34:42,750 --> 01:34:45,750everything kind of meldedtogether, and then it just149101:34:45,750 --> 01:34:48,810happened. But you can't forcethat. You can't. I mean, how149201:34:48,810 --> 01:34:51,540many people told me Oh, man, yougotta get draw up, I guess. Do149301:34:52,380 --> 01:34:56,880you wanna get drawers gonna belike, Yeah, I'm sure Joe Rogan149401:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,460would make a huge difference,but we don't have to sit around149501:34:59,460 --> 01:35:02,550and wait for that. It is right,the little things will happen149601:35:02,550 --> 01:35:07,350and the Bitcoin community, whichis not small, that, you know,149701:35:07,380 --> 01:35:11,100they've grabbed it ran with it,they get it, they love it. And149801:35:11,130 --> 01:35:15,270they're now the big promoters,and they're making memes and149901:35:15,270 --> 01:35:18,660tweeting and et cetera, etcetera and spreading the word150001:35:18,660 --> 01:35:27,000love on noster. Last Do you knowwhat nostril nostril stands for?150101:35:27,420 --> 01:35:31,080It's like notes and other stuffthrough relays.150201:35:31,500 --> 01:35:36,810Exactly. Notes. Exactly. notesand stuff through realize. Okay,150301:35:36,810 --> 01:35:37,200definitely150401:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,630some geek name that yes,150501:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,620you know, young young masterMitch is very enamored by noster150601:35:45,780 --> 01:35:46,890metrum pod verse.150701:35:47,219 --> 01:35:50,879It makes me tired. It makes youtired. Why does he why does it150801:35:50,879 --> 01:35:51,749make you tired? I'm150901:35:51,750 --> 01:35:52,620just curious to151001:35:52,620 --> 01:35:56,550the pub is hard enough in that'sthe thing is activity Pub is151101:35:56,550 --> 01:36:00,390hard enough. And we know we'regoing we can't the world as it151201:36:00,390 --> 01:36:04,830is now. We have to activity Pubhas to be the first class151301:36:04,830 --> 01:36:10,140citizen. I totally agree. And soany other protocol, anyone just151401:36:10,140 --> 01:36:14,010makes me tired. Any other anyother social protocol? I mean,151501:36:14,340 --> 01:36:17,850like I said, um, I mean, I justdon't know enough about it to151601:36:17,850 --> 01:36:21,000even to even comment. Unlike LeoLaporte, I don't comment about151701:36:21,000 --> 01:36:21,840these, I have no idea.151801:36:23,670 --> 01:36:26,610The one thing I like aboutnostre, which I just is, there's151901:36:26,610 --> 01:36:29,790something incredibly cool aboutit is you can take your public152001:36:29,790 --> 01:36:34,830and private key. And you can loginto noster on any app, any152101:36:34,830 --> 01:36:37,230service, you know, obviouslyhave to be careful what you're152201:36:37,230 --> 01:36:39,300doing. Because you know, youcould be posting your private152301:36:39,300 --> 01:36:43,710key into into some trap, but isreally interesting, like, oh,152401:36:43,710 --> 01:36:46,350try this one, you just try thisdesktop client, and you and you152501:36:46,350 --> 01:36:49,500try it. And that's all you need.And it brings up everything.152601:36:49,530 --> 01:36:53,340Like, there's my whole profile,there's my follows. There's152701:36:53,340 --> 01:36:58,050something magical about the keypair, which I think may be even152801:36:58,050 --> 01:37:01,560more important than nosteritself, people understanding a152901:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,910public and private key could berevolutionary, to so many153001:37:05,940 --> 01:37:07,020aspects of life.153101:37:07,440 --> 01:37:10,410I'm gonna have to agree withAlex on this one, though,153201:37:10,440 --> 01:37:15,120though, in this regard, that theuniversal keys that serve as153301:37:15,120 --> 01:37:20,760universal identities scare me abit. Oh, really? Yeah. Because153401:37:20,760 --> 01:37:24,120you because all of a sudden nowyou're now your identity is153501:37:24,120 --> 01:37:29,070known across your egg, your youridentity travels with you all153601:37:29,070 --> 01:37:32,820the time, my public dead? Yeah,your public identity. And that153701:37:32,820 --> 01:37:36,240feels a little creepy. Like,like, I'm not sure that that's a153801:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,000road we want to go down becausethere's some there's some, you153901:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,270know, there's some nice M and Nand Amity that comes from Okay,154001:37:42,270 --> 01:37:45,300well, I'm going to Mike DellsWordPress site, and I'm gonna154101:37:45,300 --> 01:37:47,940leave a comment there, but I canjust make up, you know, it154201:37:47,940 --> 01:37:52,230doesn't have to be real. Like Ican not have to expose myself154301:37:52,620 --> 01:37:56,310fully on every single service.Like, it's the same way with a154401:37:56,310 --> 01:37:59,160bitcoin address. I mean, if I,if I want to send if I don't154501:37:59,190 --> 01:38:01,740want you to send me somebitcoin, I mean, I can generate154601:38:02,100 --> 01:38:04,980a random wallet address forevery transaction. Yeah. And I154701:38:04,980 --> 01:38:07,200have, and I have some sort of,you know, have a measure of154801:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,230anonymity there. It's notabsolute but, but there is some154901:38:10,230 --> 01:38:12,870protection there. And I'm alittle, I'm a little nervous155001:38:12,870 --> 01:38:15,600about the about, there's a lotof talk, you know, with blue sky155101:38:15,600 --> 01:38:19,440and all this stuff about these,these D IDs and universal155201:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,930identities. I don't know, theyjust creeped me out a little155301:38:21,930 --> 01:38:22,200bit.155401:38:23,550 --> 01:38:27,060And I think also, what we wantto make sure we watch out for155501:38:27,090 --> 01:38:29,730is, you know, I've had aphilosophy for a long time, then155601:38:29,730 --> 01:38:33,990basic say you never build yourcastle on rented land. So155701:38:33,990 --> 01:38:37,320whatever we do, we have to makesure that, you know, monkey155801:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,840business by other companies likeTwitter, shutting off their free155901:38:39,840 --> 01:38:44,610API and stuff like that is notgoing to affect what has been156001:38:44,610 --> 01:38:47,790built. So I'm always kind oflooking down the road. I'm like,156101:38:47,790 --> 01:38:50,010what happens if somebodyunplugged something now I know156201:38:50,010 --> 01:38:54,210if this podcast is index gotunplugged, we would continue to156301:38:54,210 --> 01:38:56,400run we'd be pod pingingsomething that would hit156401:38:56,400 --> 01:39:00,240nothing, but everything wouldstill continue to work. So I156501:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,200think that the way we kind oflook at things too is if156601:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,050blueberry went out of businesstoday, our PowerPress users156701:39:07,050 --> 01:39:09,600would be would be absolutelyfine. They would just have to156801:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,970find a new host. So I think aswe're looking at advancing stuff156901:39:14,970 --> 01:39:17,430and podcasting 2.0 We want tomake sure we tighten to stuff157001:39:17,430 --> 01:39:19,890that just can't We can't havethe plug plug pulled on us.157101:39:20,610 --> 01:39:22,950Yeah, and that's the that's agreat point. Todd because we157201:39:22,950 --> 01:39:26,490have like that's what we'vetried to do from day one is to157301:39:26,490 --> 01:39:30,720make it where we don't to whereall this stuff continues can157401:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,380continue to exist without us. Imean, like if we just157501:39:34,740 --> 01:39:38,130podcasting we general is thatway though. That's the beauty of157601:39:38,130 --> 01:39:40,350RSS you got this.157701:39:40,590 --> 01:39:43,260You try to change that it's notpodcasting anymore. That's157801:39:43,260 --> 01:39:43,740right.157901:39:45,870 --> 01:39:50,850So we think a few people herewhile while we have the Yeah, we158001:39:50,850 --> 01:39:53,070got a couple of booster gramsthat have come in during this158101:39:53,070 --> 01:39:59,970lit session. Let me see. We willand thank you, by the way 36,009158201:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,360112 Satoshis from Chimp, Adam.All caps, you say 100% All the158301:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,310freakin time shame yourself158401:40:08,670 --> 01:40:09,300100%158501:40:12,420 --> 01:40:17,400atone wrecker 1050 rung thecurio caster wallet dry with158601:40:17,400 --> 01:40:22,080this bottom of the barrel boost.Alright man, very much chimp.158701:40:22,170 --> 01:40:28,590Oh, oh chimp comes in again33,333 ADAM You say 100% All the158801:40:28,590 --> 01:40:31,650freakin time. Thank you. Youtell me again. Tell me a couple158901:40:31,650 --> 01:40:34,770more times. That's reallydriving that home. Yeah, but I159001:40:34,770 --> 01:40:38,400like it. I like people yellingat me while sending SATs, Eric p159101:40:38,400 --> 01:40:45,330p 33,333 330 333. Couldn'tpodcasters use the podcast block159201:40:45,330 --> 01:40:48,990tag to remove their podcast fromthe index? That still doesn't159301:40:48,990 --> 01:40:51,840solve the ownership problem. Butwhat solves this is very159401:40:51,840 --> 01:40:57,180interesting. Maybe new rule, ifyou're going to take out email159501:40:57,180 --> 01:40:58,770addresses enabled the block.159601:40:59,820 --> 01:41:03,330I've told people to do that onon more than one occasion. They159701:41:03,510 --> 01:41:09,630they'll say, Hey, I've got I'vegot this feed. And for amusing159801:41:09,930 --> 01:41:15,270Oh, it's perfect is Apple Andylayman. He said he's using a159901:41:15,270 --> 01:41:18,750search as using a hostingcompany to host his his media.160001:41:19,140 --> 01:41:22,410But he's writing his own feed.He's just using them as a CDN160101:41:22,410 --> 01:41:25,230and he's got his own feed comingfrom PowerPress but he didn't160201:41:25,230 --> 01:41:28,440want the feed from that otherhosting company coming coming160301:41:28,440 --> 01:41:31,830through in the index. So he putthe blog tag in there and it160401:41:31,830 --> 01:41:32,670goes away and you're good.160501:41:32,969 --> 01:41:37,079I'm just saying hosting companyshould implement that. That will160601:41:37,079 --> 01:41:41,189make a lot of sense. made a noteMartin Linda's CO on my list has160701:41:41,189 --> 01:41:48,419a row of ducks 222222 And hesays May I plug my conversation160801:41:48,419 --> 01:41:51,389with Mitch Downey of pod versewhile yes, you may episode nine160901:41:51,389 --> 01:41:55,049of Tea Party media podcast apretty long row of ducks all the161001:41:55,049 --> 01:42:00,899best Martin Linda's cope. Youbet. And we have Dred Scott161101:42:00,899 --> 01:42:06,539coming in with 121,212 20 his161201:42:06,540 --> 01:42:07,830blades on him161301:42:07,830 --> 01:42:12,210Paula go podcasting also specialshout out to Mike November 7161401:42:12,210 --> 01:42:15,300Lima Mike Juliet as he isdirectly responsible for me161501:42:15,300 --> 01:42:18,420passing my ham radio examseveral years ago with the ham161601:42:18,420 --> 01:42:24,930radio pod class. Yay.Congratulations. Yeah, I'll jump161701:42:24,930 --> 01:42:27,930in on that. 70 threes Matt ketofive Alpha Charlie, Charlie.161801:42:28,950 --> 01:42:30,750Come on. Mike. Sahand Mike, Iknow161901:42:30,930 --> 01:42:31,710what you call it.162001:42:32,099 --> 01:42:34,679That was me. Kate lmJ There yougo.162101:42:34,710 --> 01:42:40,380There you go. Exactly. Nerds Samsays the listening live over162201:42:40,380 --> 01:42:44,430there in the UK on a pulling atug whatever talking to Paul I162301:42:44,430 --> 01:42:51,630don't fully agree Adam a cat.Oh, I'm sorry. I fully agree162401:42:51,630 --> 01:42:54,390Adam a cast were spammingeveryone so Buzzsprout got162501:42:54,390 --> 01:42:59,670angry. But it doesn't work. Ifyou don't have podcast dot txt.162601:42:59,700 --> 01:43:03,840txt. Implemented Buzzsprout hasno UI for host they say you can162701:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,750turn it back on but I can't findit. Okay, so thank you, Sam.162801:43:06,750 --> 01:43:09,420Tell me the story of how theemails disappeared out of out of162901:43:09,420 --> 01:43:13,110podcast feeds Wilson. A castlespamming everybody there was163001:43:13,110 --> 01:43:16,380this company called a cast andthen bug spray. Yeah, exactly.163101:43:19,590 --> 01:43:24,450Okay, let me see we have 10Another 10,000 from San Sethi.163201:43:24,480 --> 01:43:28,170Sam Sethi again. Why can't Oh,this is around the splits. Okay,163301:43:28,170 --> 01:43:31,560so we I'll read it. We don'thave to get into it. Because163401:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,350it's real. It's hard. It's hardenough and I'm reading it. It's163501:43:34,350 --> 01:43:37,860hard enough. Why can't we do itbased on 100% This is crazy163601:43:37,860 --> 01:43:41,790doing 103% Just calculate basedon 100%. So 100 SATs is easy to163701:43:41,790 --> 01:43:44,970work out. 1% fee is one set. So99 should be 99 left to split163801:43:44,970 --> 01:43:49,290with, with why recalc if youhave 30% Atomy gets which is 30163901:43:49,290 --> 01:43:51,600sashes. recalc is totally mad.Sorry.164001:43:53,850 --> 01:43:58,350The proper answer to that is doit that way. Yes. Yeah. Do it164101:43:58,350 --> 01:44:01,950that way. And then and then foryour own sake of your own math.164201:44:02,370 --> 01:44:06,570It makes it simple. Yeah, you'vetotally everybody should be164301:44:06,570 --> 01:44:10,380doing it based on base 100.That's what we did. The issue is164401:44:10,380 --> 01:44:10,770that if you164501:44:11,100 --> 01:44:14,220are a fighter jets go to 104%.164601:44:15,150 --> 01:44:21,630Oh, my was to 11. I know. Yeah.I think we've kind of figured164701:44:21,630 --> 01:44:24,750out that this is for under thehood and not on top of the164801:44:24,750 --> 01:44:29,880blankets. Under the hood isSockeye the horse 1000 Go164901:44:29,880 --> 01:44:37,920podcasting. Who was this? ToddCochran? 122,222 Oh165001:44:40,260 --> 01:44:41,49020 Is blade.165101:44:44,880 --> 01:44:52,770And then we have 44,100 fromMike Dell, who says your guest165201:44:52,770 --> 01:44:57,870today are rockstars do thisillegal. That's illegal. That's165301:44:57,870 --> 01:45:01,560a violation violation violation.violation of all rules.165401:45:05,009 --> 01:45:07,619Taxes on that, Mike. It's notit's not right, dude.165501:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,580When did you when did you? Okay,I think I think we can leave it165601:45:11,580 --> 01:45:14,040here because everything afterthat is four hours ago you165701:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,710should we thank the people whocame in and support our value165801:45:16,710 --> 01:45:19,350for value proposition, Mr. Mr.Jones.165901:45:19,649 --> 01:45:23,099Oh, we've got one. We've got onemega Paixao here.166001:45:23,249 --> 01:45:26,399We do. Yeah, you ready? I'mready. I'm sitting down166101:45:27,660 --> 01:45:33,540from Ben and Alberto at ourCisco comm. Send us 1010 dot166201:45:33,540 --> 01:45:39,480101 $1,010.10 Whoa.166301:45:40,800 --> 01:45:46,650Oh, man. Oh, thank you so muchto have a note with this166401:45:46,650 --> 01:45:47,940wonderful support.166501:45:48,300 --> 01:45:51,210There is a note Adam and Daveall the bits referenced the166601:45:51,210 --> 01:45:54,750amount and pieces of podcastingto Puno makes such a beautiful166701:45:54,750 --> 01:45:58,080opportunity for podcasting andpodcasters. Thanks for working166801:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,660so hard to bring opportunityinto reality for so many from166901:46:00,660 --> 01:46:02,310your friends@rss.com.167001:46:03,300 --> 01:46:06,870Guys, thank you so much. That ishumbling, man. Thanks. That's a167101:46:06,870 --> 01:46:09,510lot of value. You get out ofthis and you returned it that167201:46:09,510 --> 01:46:11,880way. And thank you. Thank you.Thank you. Thank you.167301:46:12,390 --> 01:46:15,840Pretty Yeah. Now, yeah. That is167401:46:15,930 --> 01:46:19,080the that's the Pay Pal. Becausewe've transitioned.167501:46:19,350 --> 01:46:24,030That is we have transitioned theI'd have a make good though. Oh,167601:46:24,600 --> 01:46:28,590Martin. Martin from pod friend.I missed his boost last week.167701:46:28,770 --> 01:46:35,010Oh, so he sent in 2018 and 20 to22 to two to two. And he said I167801:46:35,010 --> 01:46:37,710just wanted to say that toeveryone that re implementing a167901:46:37,710 --> 01:46:40,020podcast app from scratch seemedlike something that could be168001:46:40,020 --> 01:46:43,860done decently quickly. Spoilerspoiler alert. It is not. But168101:46:43,860 --> 01:46:47,700fun. Can't wait to join the newfeature dev race again in some168201:46:47,700 --> 01:46:50,340months. Oh, so it sounds likehe's doing it from scratch.168301:46:50,340 --> 01:46:50,880rewriter168401:46:51,000 --> 01:46:56,130Wow, hold on. We get some ducksout for me. I still have my168501:46:56,130 --> 01:47:00,570pillow. We still use our mug.I'm drinking out of my mug and168601:47:00,570 --> 01:47:03,540we love the pot with the we lovethe pod friend.168701:47:04,260 --> 01:47:06,960And he sent another 10,000 SATsand he did his message was168801:47:06,990 --> 01:47:07,950relevant boost.168901:47:07,980 --> 01:47:09,690Yes. Okay. Thank you.169001:47:12,060 --> 01:47:15,960Thank you. Appreciate that.Martin. Yeah. And we've got from169101:47:15,960 --> 01:47:21,750Borlaug. 25,000 SATs. He saysthe two of you are a gift to the169201:47:21,750 --> 01:47:23,910industry. And I appreciate allyour hard work. Well, thank you169301:47:23,910 --> 01:47:25,080Borlaug. Appreciate that.169401:47:25,350 --> 01:47:27,390A gift gift to the industry.169501:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,800That's Yes, I tell them that'smy motivational speaking to169601:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,030myself every morning when I wakeup.169701:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,900You're a gift to the industry.Dave, you're a gift to the169801:47:36,900 --> 01:47:39,600industry. I want to everymorning I'm gonna send you a tax169901:47:39,810 --> 01:47:42,840day. You're a gift to theindustry.170001:47:43,170 --> 01:47:44,700And I'm just gonna replan isthat yes,170101:47:44,910 --> 01:47:49,080yeah. Word Up. One 100%170201:47:50,640 --> 01:47:55,290roster Calavera fire rosterCalavera 2000 sets through170301:47:55,290 --> 01:47:57,900fountain says bless you DaveJones heal up more beef170401:47:57,900 --> 01:47:59,340milkshakes are needed Yes.170501:48:00,360 --> 01:48:02,010Hey, how are you feeling? Yousound good?170601:48:02,759 --> 01:48:05,969I've got a lot more energy it'sjust the linger you know that's170701:48:05,969 --> 01:48:10,409crap just lingers forever butI'm good I'm good. Good. Yay.170801:48:11,909 --> 01:48:17,459Oh, here's a mike Dell 12345335Verse he says go podcasting170901:48:18,119 --> 01:48:27,059unanimous safe in in for VX?Send us through curio Castro171001:48:27,119 --> 01:48:30,5092102 And he says thank you foryour coding 70 threes and such171101:48:30,539 --> 01:48:34,739dash 70 threes and such the meremortals podcast are ready Kira171201:48:34,739 --> 01:48:39,119and 2222 through fountain hesays Dave stat saved the day.171301:48:39,269 --> 01:48:43,7091.5 million poop casts Wow,that's a lot of crap.171401:48:44,790 --> 01:48:46,620Referring to anchor I presume.171501:48:46,980 --> 01:48:51,840Yes. We're doing another anotherchop and drop. Chopping drawers171601:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,840we as as we speak. This one'sgoing to be brutal.171701:48:54,900 --> 01:49:00,570That's our title home.Beautiful. Yeah, stop dancing on171801:49:00,570 --> 01:49:01,830graves. Come on, man.171901:49:03,150 --> 01:49:04,380We're doing a bit of that too.172001:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,580Are you well, the current, thecurrent, the current expanded172101:49:08,580 --> 01:49:13,890criteria for getting the CHOP isif you've only got one episode172201:49:13,890 --> 01:49:19,920in your feed, and you haven'tpublished for for a year, you're172301:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,220gone. You're gonna and I'm noteven looking at how long the172401:49:23,220 --> 01:49:27,330episode is. Just to make it bean hour. It's not it's a goner.172501:49:27,870 --> 01:49:30,120And I don't care if that's toozealous. I just don't care172601:49:30,120 --> 01:49:30,480anymore.172701:49:31,500 --> 01:49:36,180Wait, and if okay, you know, sohow long how long is172801:49:36,180 --> 01:49:38,520this only applies to this onlyapplies to anchor and172901:49:39,420 --> 01:49:41,850Okay, why don't we just shutanchor off altogether?173001:49:44,400 --> 01:49:45,630Don't Don't hit me.173101:49:46,200 --> 01:49:49,020Like three. There's three showsover there at least that are173201:49:49,020 --> 01:49:49,560decent.173301:49:52,830 --> 01:49:55,110That's a little aggressive.Like, I think if you're173401:49:55,110 --> 01:49:58,650hosted anger, you should requestit to be added. You know, it's173501:49:58,650 --> 01:50:01,350like you shouldn't you shouldReally you should beg us.173601:50:02,190 --> 01:50:06,540Yes. That's begging is not a badsystem. This there could be173701:50:06,570 --> 01:50:10,710there could be a part of theprotocol. Yeah, yeah, we're173801:50:10,710 --> 01:50:13,530chopping so you think of yourchop and drop more than egg173901:50:13,530 --> 01:50:16,170insertion system? I mean that'sthat's a pretty strong title.174001:50:16,229 --> 01:50:22,139I like chop and drop. Alrightjob, but it Hey, it's your show174101:50:22,139 --> 01:50:26,189to you want egg and egg and itsounds like artificial174201:50:26,189 --> 01:50:28,229insemination in some weird ways.174301:50:28,620 --> 01:50:31,170It does. We'll we'll put out apoll.174401:50:31,739 --> 01:50:33,299Oh, yes. Every is on Twitter.174501:50:35,580 --> 01:50:40,200Elon Spotify, Jean Everett33 333 Your fountain and he just174601:50:40,200 --> 01:50:41,790says boost Yeah.174701:50:42,630 --> 01:50:43,830Gotcha brother. Thank you.174801:50:45,930 --> 01:50:48,810Fountain mere mortals podcastKaren back again. He says the174901:50:48,810 --> 01:50:51,840blurring of your mouth wascrazy. Good thing you still175001:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,390don't have that glam rock hairwould have censored that for175101:50:54,390 --> 01:50:54,840sure.175201:50:55,440 --> 01:50:58,950That's on Joe Rogan. Did youhear my Joe Rogan? Episode?175301:50:58,950 --> 01:51:02,310I'm about halfway through. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah.175401:51:02,940 --> 01:51:04,770I tried to fire him like Itried.175501:51:05,850 --> 01:51:09,720Yeah, or default. I heard theyheard the attempts, the aborted175601:51:09,750 --> 01:51:10,740abortive attempts.175701:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,360You made the news a little bitthere you were you were shown on175801:51:15,570 --> 01:51:18,000least Fox as far as I know. Youknow, so175901:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,030many people sent me that becauseit was a rant to Joe was doing.176001:51:21,870 --> 01:51:25,710About about the news,specifically CNN. Like, Hey,176101:51:25,710 --> 01:51:29,850man, you made the news. Likeyeah, okay, so, of the 2 million176201:51:29,850 --> 01:51:33,510people on Fox and Friends in themorning. 12 million people on176301:51:33,510 --> 01:51:35,400Joe Rogan. It's like, okay,yeah,176401:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,880it was a nice addition. Yeah,it's just a little backwards.176501:51:38,880 --> 01:51:39,090Right?176601:51:39,120 --> 01:51:41,580You have no idea what happenswhen you go on Joe Rogan.176701:51:42,360 --> 01:51:45,120But you are a right wing nutjob. So I mean,176801:51:45,150 --> 01:51:48,810we know that and by the way, youknow, this is all just for one176901:51:48,810 --> 01:51:51,300reason. And that's to get AlexJones back on the air.177001:51:51,780 --> 01:51:59,430Yeah, absolutely. Missionaccomplished. I am Mr. Robot 432177101:51:59,460 --> 01:52:02,190through fountain he says lovethe show, the stats, the tech,177201:52:02,220 --> 01:52:06,210et cetera, about Patreon people,especially Canadians and177301:52:06,210 --> 01:52:09,270Bitcoiners lost trust in itafter the trucker strike in177401:52:09,270 --> 01:52:12,630Canada last year when they frozethose Patreon funds because it's177501:52:12,630 --> 01:52:15,300a centralized entity. Yeah, thatwas messed up.177601:52:15,360 --> 01:52:20,970Yeah, Mr. Robot. He helped getTexas limbs podcast up and177701:52:20,970 --> 01:52:21,300running.177801:52:21,870 --> 01:52:26,580Oh, good. Okay. Joel ws SachtlerRichards through fountain no177901:52:26,580 --> 01:52:31,680note. I am Mr. Robot again. 3456through fountain he says booths178001:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,700got cut off wanted to add thatpodcasting. 2.0 is the future178101:52:35,700 --> 01:52:37,290and here to stay go podcasting?178201:52:37,320 --> 01:52:41,370Yeah, Brother You got got cutoff.178301:52:43,350 --> 01:52:47,760Gene been 1337 elite boostercast Matic and he says Adam,178401:52:47,940 --> 01:52:51,570following up on moon pay KYCstuff. I'm in the US.178501:52:52,590 --> 01:52:57,030Oh, okay. Yeah, some peopleapparently do have to take a178601:52:57,030 --> 01:53:00,450picture and turn their head andcough. That was not my178701:53:00,450 --> 01:53:03,690experience. But thanks. Thanksfor the updates. Good to know,178801:53:03,720 --> 01:53:08,010good to know. And the people whoimplement Moon pay let let your178901:53:08,250 --> 01:53:12,480users know you may be asked tocough. Yeah. Just add that179001:53:12,510 --> 01:53:17,520people get when it comes tofunny enough how easy people are179101:53:17,520 --> 01:53:21,270to post their location, youknow, selfies, everything. But179201:53:21,480 --> 01:53:25,800oh, man, someone's asking me formy driver's license. Now, they179301:53:25,800 --> 01:53:26,700get really worried.179401:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,540It's funny, because it's reallyno different than anything else179501:53:30,540 --> 01:53:34,980we do. It's just that you're hitwith it all at once. Like, like179601:53:34,980 --> 01:53:40,140when not people say things like,you know, oh, the Apple179701:53:40,140 --> 01:53:44,010subscription thing is soseamless. And it is. But the179801:53:44,010 --> 01:53:47,280reason is because you did theKYC stuff for all your financial179901:53:47,280 --> 01:53:51,660accounts, months and yeah, noryears ago. Exactly. Right. And180001:53:51,660 --> 01:53:54,030now and with the Bitcoin thingyou're hit, you're getting hit180101:53:54,030 --> 01:53:57,420with it right now for the firsttime. So it's really the in the180201:53:57,420 --> 01:54:01,230grand scheme of things. It's notdifferent. It's not more onerous180301:54:01,230 --> 01:54:04,200than than having a credit cardor bank account or something180401:54:04,200 --> 01:54:07,260like that. It's actually less,but you just have to do it.180501:54:07,260 --> 01:54:08,910Whereas the other stuff you justalways had180601:54:09,360 --> 01:54:14,070people expect a credit card tojust work and not have to show180701:54:14,070 --> 01:54:16,980all this stuff just to use yourcredit card or your debit card.180801:54:16,980 --> 01:54:20,970Yeah, yeah, that's that's whereit's different. Yeah.180901:54:22,410 --> 01:54:26,220Chris last for Jupiterbroadcasting. Mr. Chris Fisher.181001:54:26,340 --> 01:54:31,800He sends us a 808 80,000 SATsthrough pod version. He says the181101:54:31,800 --> 01:54:35,640whole episode was a was a greatconversation. Dave and Adam he181201:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,220both had been showing up andkicking butt while dealing with181301:54:38,220 --> 01:54:41,340a rebuilt mouth and getting sickshow hasn't missed a beat your181401:54:41,340 --> 01:54:42,000pros.181501:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,630Adam and Dave swinging from thevine.181601:54:48,870 --> 01:54:54,150Thank you, Chris. Appreciatethat SLC through fountain 12 for181701:54:54,150 --> 01:54:58,26090 days as Fiat goes out and BTCgoes in and only comes out for181801:54:58,260 --> 01:55:01,740beef and boosts Nice. Let's gosome reverb on you equals bless181901:55:01,740 --> 01:55:05,160your heart. Anyone running achurch soundboard for the band182001:55:05,160 --> 01:55:12,300knows this little more reverbGladys, more reverb. Oh, Mike.182101:55:12,300 --> 01:55:12,630Sorry,182201:55:12,720 --> 01:55:15,870I gotta set that up so I canadd. I don't know. I won't be182301:55:15,870 --> 01:55:17,130able to you won't be able tohear it if182401:55:17,130 --> 01:55:19,500you have reverb, the churchsoundboard.182501:55:20,010 --> 01:55:21,330I know what you mean.182601:55:22,320 --> 01:55:26,040SLC again, 12 498 throughfoundry says Hey, Adam is me182701:55:26,040 --> 01:55:30,000your son. Don't worry, I'm doinggreat. Good to hear from you.182801:55:32,640 --> 01:55:38,970Hello, Steven, the pneumaticcoder 1555 through the podcast182901:55:38,970 --> 01:55:41,610index website and he sayspodcast platforms like Spotify183001:55:41,850 --> 01:55:45,360are about owning podcasters andthe products of their work go183101:55:45,360 --> 01:55:46,380value for value183201:55:46,500 --> 01:55:49,860nice. We don't I don't like it.183301:55:51,000 --> 01:55:56,7606969 from pay citizen throughpod versed proverbs. He says I183401:55:56,760 --> 01:56:02,340love you guys. A lot. Thanks,brother. Love you too. Love you.183501:56:02,910 --> 01:56:10,830Booster. LSA magenta monkeythrough breeze, send us 54321183601:56:10,860 --> 01:56:14,040And that just says that youwould think that's Roy183701:56:14,550 --> 01:56:17,610Yeah, that's that's his that'shis handle almost.183801:56:17,730 --> 01:56:21,450Yeah, the 54321 and just aspodcast index.org is the only183901:56:21,450 --> 01:56:23,850thing in the note. And then hebut then he follows up so I184001:56:23,850 --> 01:56:27,210think he Oh yeah, that's exactlywhat this really follows up with184101:56:27,210 --> 01:56:32,880another 543200 sending anotherboost because I used an184201:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,470anonymous profile previously.184301:56:34,650 --> 01:56:36,630And what was that? What was thatprofile?184401:56:38,040 --> 01:56:41,310Crimson monkey. Crimson magentamug.184501:56:42,750 --> 01:56:45,570Alright, so now we know if wesee magenta monkey anywhere we184601:56:45,570 --> 01:56:51,090know it's Roy well, those twobooths together Oh, he hit184701:56:51,990 --> 01:56:55,32020 his blades on him Paulathanks Roy.184801:56:56,250 --> 01:57:01,620Love you Roy comes with Geminihad done head tone record 10,000184901:57:01,620 --> 01:57:04,530says through fountain he saysgreat seeing days post that the185001:57:04,530 --> 01:57:07,650meeting with Michael and Sam thewavelength went well. The four v185101:57:07,650 --> 01:57:12,330music surf swell increasing alsoconfirming curio Castro music185201:57:12,330 --> 01:57:14,880section displays my feeds addedfrom wave Lake testing185301:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,450continues. Thanks to everyoneworking on this area. Yeah, it's185401:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,030it's it was a good meeting andwe're going to have them on the185501:57:21,030 --> 01:57:26,280show. On March the like firstweekend in March, our cool185601:57:26,280 --> 01:57:30,900Friday and I'm very excitedabout that. Great, great guys to185701:57:30,900 --> 01:57:34,890talk to you. They totally getit. Yeah, it's there. This is185801:57:34,890 --> 01:57:39,270going to be fun. As the gore logagain 20 It185901:57:39,270 --> 01:57:40,950will good no no go no, continue.186001:57:40,950 --> 01:57:44,190I'm sorry. That's 25,000 SATsthrough pod verse and he says186101:57:44,190 --> 01:57:46,980thank you for everything you do.And I'm grateful this podcast186201:57:46,980 --> 01:57:47,460exists186301:57:47,490 --> 01:57:49,800Oh thank you. That's real.That's true value man.186401:57:49,800 --> 01:57:50,940Appreciate that period. I'm186501:57:50,940 --> 01:57:54,810grateful that you exist forbeautiful and they delimiter186601:57:54,810 --> 01:57:58,590chemistry blogger 30 3015through fountain and he says in186701:57:58,590 --> 01:58:01,800a world where mindsets arebesieged by parasitical186801:58:01,800 --> 01:58:05,700information gatekeeperscaretakers of the cast dashing186901:58:05,700 --> 01:58:09,330Dave Jones in a Sergent Adamcurry step up every week to187001:58:09,330 --> 01:58:12,480provide protective powerspreserving podcast prowess, we187101:58:12,480 --> 01:58:15,960were honored to promote the AIdot cooking podcast, a show187201:58:15,960 --> 01:58:20,070about existential cutting edgetech enlivened by boundlessly187301:58:20,130 --> 01:58:25,170enthusiastic family man GregoryForman, yo, boost Thank187401:58:25,170 --> 01:58:28,830you comics for Blogger. I'm allfor AI now now that I know what187501:58:28,830 --> 01:58:32,400it stands for Adam intelligencethere you go, everybody boom,187601:58:32,790 --> 01:58:38,370there it is. Ai rocks. Ah, thankyou all very much monthlies187701:58:38,430 --> 01:58:41,040months. Oh, yeah, do themonthlies and I will check the I187801:58:41,040 --> 01:58:42,600will check the the tally coin.187901:58:43,710 --> 01:58:49,140Chad Pharaoh $20.20 Thank youbrother Chad. Scott Jalbert $12188001:58:49,140 --> 01:58:55,110Pedro gun calvess $5 AaronRenaud $5 Jouvert Garate new188101:58:55,110 --> 01:59:00,090donor $3 Thank you and Schubert,Martin, Linda Skog. $1 Thank you188201:59:00,090 --> 01:59:03,210Martin and Mark Graham $1. Andthat's our group188301:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,910and Dred Scott as he left thechat room.188401:59:07,320 --> 01:59:09,300Did he did he throw sets intothe room?188501:59:10,530 --> 01:59:13,260Yeah, he did. Like just threwsome on the floor through tally188601:59:13,260 --> 01:59:15,960coin. He says just wanted tomake sure you had something to188701:59:15,960 --> 01:59:21,840be here in the tally coin.85,450 Satoshis tallyho he says188801:59:23,790 --> 01:59:26,520Bruce Wayne of podcastingeverybody. We have no idea how188901:59:26,520 --> 01:59:29,220he does it where his familywealth comes from but we love189001:59:29,220 --> 01:59:32,490him. We love and afford. He'sgot a cave for sure.189101:59:32,520 --> 01:59:36,840Huge library on the on the sixthfloor, huge library where he189201:59:36,840 --> 01:59:41,340keeps all of his his legion thatlegion of superhero costumes and189301:59:41,340 --> 01:59:41,670everything.189401:59:42,180 --> 01:59:47,640So we this is two hours on thenose. No punches kind of good.189501:59:47,640 --> 01:59:51,060You gotta go back to work Dave.I think they do the do the189601:59:51,060 --> 01:59:54,570actual actual work. This is avalue for value podcast.189701:59:54,960 --> 01:59:59,190Everything that comes in isappreciation and value for what189801:59:59,190 --> 02:00:03,210this podcast And what the indexthe whole project is funded by189902:00:03,210 --> 02:00:06,690the people who support it, whoget value out of it. podcast190002:00:06,690 --> 02:00:10,290index.org You can go to thisscroll to the bottom there's a190102:00:10,290 --> 02:00:13,890big red donate button that'lltake it to the Fiat fund coupon190202:00:14,040 --> 02:00:17,610system from PayPal, which as youcan hear is not very popular190302:00:17,610 --> 02:00:21,600anymore. Although for some ofthose bigger bigger supporters,190402:00:21,630 --> 02:00:24,750it's always appreciated and ofcourse, you might want to try190502:00:24,750 --> 02:00:28,830out a new and modern podcast newpodcasts apps.com Kick out those190602:00:28,830 --> 02:00:33,390legacy apps also new to podcastit completely works absolutely.190702:00:34,200 --> 02:00:37,320Todd and Mike brothers thank youso much it was great to have you190802:00:37,320 --> 02:00:41,160guys on and really appreciatethe enthusiasm and and all the190902:00:41,160 --> 02:00:44,160work you're putting on into itand please thank your your team191002:00:44,160 --> 02:00:45,450at blueberry as well.191102:00:46,440 --> 02:00:48,750And thanks Adam for having us onand Dave and I do want to give191202:00:48,750 --> 02:00:52,620one shout out to Andy laymanThank you brother for carrying191302:00:52,620 --> 02:00:55,800us for a long time by makingthat add on plugin for power191402:00:55,800 --> 02:01:00,090press it was it was a it got itgot us over the hump so Andy191502:01:00,090 --> 02:01:01,020thank you so much for that191602:01:01,140 --> 02:01:04,470another hero of podcasting 2.0The Revolution191702:01:05,040 --> 02:01:06,840Yeah, thanks. Thanks for havingus.191802:01:07,050 --> 02:01:11,010Oh yeah, and well we'll have youguys on again soon I'm sure when191902:01:11,190 --> 02:01:13,800when you have an update whenwhen stuff was flying around or192002:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,650not if you're if you go bankrupteither way we'll have yon192102:01:18,060 --> 02:01:19,320not planning on it. No.192202:01:20,250 --> 02:01:24,480We were in this for the vow ofpoverty as well. So for sure.192302:01:25,440 --> 02:01:30,840Dave anything else? Anythingelse we need? Are we good? Are192402:01:30,870 --> 02:01:32,370we good for the weekend?192502:01:33,089 --> 02:01:36,959We're good for the weekend. Ihave a I have a podcast192602:01:36,959 --> 02:01:38,969ownership verification serviceto build192702:01:41,880 --> 02:01:45,000Please don't Don't build itplease192802:01:45,030 --> 02:01:48,150don't gonna build it I'm gonnabuild it I'm gonna build it and192902:01:48,150 --> 02:01:49,770but it didn't build it Okay,he's193002:01:49,770 --> 02:01:52,320gonna build it and thenchallenge has been thrown down193102:01:52,350 --> 02:01:55,740it feels kind of like you'regonna build it and never be used193202:01:55,740 --> 02:01:59,370kind of like I got a generatortwo years ago and I can't get193302:01:59,370 --> 02:02:03,090the power to go out here nowlike all the Texas is down and193402:02:03,120 --> 02:02:06,180we still have power like comeon, man. I want that thing to193502:02:06,180 --> 02:02:06,960kick in.193602:02:07,200 --> 02:02:10,230You're gonna have to paysomebody in Hill Country to EMP193702:02:10,230 --> 02:02:12,600you you know, so you can testit.193802:02:12,630 --> 02:02:16,110They are pulling cape of fiberand fried by right by our193902:02:16,110 --> 02:02:16,710property194002:02:17,250 --> 02:02:22,410that you need to say Oh, really?Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Good Juju. You194102:02:22,470 --> 02:02:26,280all have Hill Country is gettinglit. Oops. Is getting fiber.194202:02:26,310 --> 02:02:26,790Yeah.194302:02:27,240 --> 02:02:29,610Now you need to pay you need topay a good old boy and he'll194402:02:29,610 --> 02:02:33,900country to chop your power forwhat just so you can say to194502:02:33,900 --> 02:02:37,200Tina, see? See, I told you wehad to do this.194602:02:37,679 --> 02:02:40,919I have friends who have thosebig, like belts, you know, that194702:02:40,919 --> 02:02:44,039are like motorcycle chains andjust throw one of those wires.194802:02:44,039 --> 02:02:45,209It'd be fine. Oh, yeah.194902:02:45,210 --> 02:02:47,340You'd be fine. Yeah, they'll bealright everybody195002:02:47,340 --> 02:02:50,070that was in podcasting. 2.0 Fortoday, the board meeting. We195102:02:50,070 --> 02:02:52,800appreciate having our guestshere. And we'll be back next195202:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,110week with another board meetingto bring you up to speed on195302:02:55,110 --> 02:02:57,960what's happening right herepodcasting 2.0.195402:03:12,030 --> 02:03:13,170affect your chat room.195502:03:14,670 --> 02:03:18,600You have been listening topodcasting. 2.0 To visit195602:03:18,600 --> 02:03:25,590podcasts index dashboard formore information. Or cool Ding195702:03:25,590 --> 02:03:28,410ding ding ding ding ding dingding ding ding ding