Episode 119: Bowl of Noodles

100:00:00,870 --> 00:00:06,720podcasting 2.0 for January27 2023, episode 119 bola200:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,760noodles Hello everybody. Welcomeback to the board meeting and300:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,580podcasting one where we protectand extend podcasting. We got400:00:17,580 --> 00:00:20,610all the latest news for you.Everything happening around500:00:20,610 --> 00:00:24,060podcasting itself of course withour own unsalted opinion. We've600:00:24,060 --> 00:00:27,750got the latest for podcasting.duxtop index.org, the namespace700:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,960and anything else happening onpodcast index dot social where800:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,900it all goes down. I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas900:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,450Hill Country and in Alabamarunning a fever but the show1000:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,120must go on. Say hello to myfriend on the other end ladies1100:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,850and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.Hello,1200:00:45,060 --> 00:00:46,020barely made it back.1300:00:46,350 --> 00:00:49,110Hello. You said you said pullthe cord1400:00:49,530 --> 00:00:52,920and I did and then I pulled thecord and ran to get my lunges,1500:00:53,580 --> 00:00:56,280your laws and how are you doingbrother? You're not feeling1600:00:57,060 --> 00:01:02,310good, you know and feel likegarbage. It's really not that1700:01:02,970 --> 00:01:05,820it's not that bad. It's all upin my throat. And my throat is1800:01:05,820 --> 00:01:06,720killing me but1900:01:08,610 --> 00:01:11,370when you're a podcaster that'skind of bad. It's not a good2000:01:11,370 --> 00:01:11,670thing. It2100:01:11,670 --> 00:01:16,200is bad and I'm just not gettingmuch sleep. I wake up I go to2200:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,340sleep and I'm not too bad. Andthen about two o'clock in the2300:01:20,340 --> 00:01:24,600morning I know I wake up in andI think as I think my mouth2400:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,450comes up I start breathingthrough my mouth at night. Oh2500:01:27,540 --> 00:01:30,990while I'm asleep and then thatdryer just dries out my already2600:01:31,230 --> 00:01:34,620kind of ragged throat in a wakeup and my throat is just like on2700:01:34,620 --> 00:01:37,110fire you know? Yeah. And I justcan't and then I have to start2800:01:37,110 --> 00:01:39,540hitting Tylenol and trying toget it all under control. And2900:01:39,540 --> 00:01:41,460then before you know it, it'slike four o'clock in the morning3000:01:41,460 --> 00:01:42,660and I'm trying to fall asleepagain.3100:01:42,750 --> 00:01:46,890Well, I know this is happeningbecause I'm getting DMS from3200:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,570around 3:25am Funny thing is I'mreplying it for3300:01:54,420 --> 00:01:58,200him texted you like 230 And thenI woke up this morning. And it3400:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,390was like you replied at like 330What are you doing?3500:02:01,590 --> 00:02:05,160I woke up You know, I was like,honestly,3600:02:05,459 --> 00:02:08,549I didn't wake you up with aDane. Okay, okay.3700:02:08,670 --> 00:02:12,300I'm still suffering from theopioid poisoning to be honest.3800:02:13,110 --> 00:02:15,540Opiate Oh, the fen. Yeah,3900:02:15,570 --> 00:02:19,170it's well not the fentanyl butthe hydrocodone. It was really4000:02:19,170 --> 00:02:23,130messed up my insides and just myI'm off. You know, I'm just off.4100:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,220I'm hungry, constipated andbloated all at the same time.4200:02:26,250 --> 00:02:29,610Um, like a woman. Sorry, I wasreally bad.4300:02:31,770 --> 00:02:34,260No, that is bad. That's thisterrible thing.4400:02:34,260 --> 00:02:38,040I missed the worst thing I couldhave said. But I've heard from4500:02:38,190 --> 00:02:42,030women I've lived with includingmy mom, my sisters. And my wife.4600:02:42,030 --> 00:02:45,690You know, this is like this. IfI complain about this year at4700:02:45,690 --> 00:02:51,180home, it's like, Oh, really? Tryon a baby. Well, that always4800:02:51,210 --> 00:02:54,180that's always the death row atthe end. Like Shut up. Try4900:02:54,180 --> 00:02:55,980having a kid. Okay.5000:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,530How many hours were you inlabor? Adam?5100:03:00,930 --> 00:03:01,800Exactly.5200:03:03,180 --> 00:03:04,710I'm gonna make it though. I'mgonna make okay. I'm5300:03:04,710 --> 00:03:07,920glad you can make the show. Imean, people can barely hear I5400:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,610know you so I can hear it alittle bit. But you're hanging5500:03:11,610 --> 00:03:12,720in there, brother. You'rehanging5600:03:13,260 --> 00:03:15,750on the tax professional. I mean,a podcast professional.5700:03:16,830 --> 00:03:19,020Well, have you been to theoffice? Not you staying at home,5800:03:19,020 --> 00:03:22,320right? No, I'm in the officeevery day. No, you're kidding5900:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,010me? Yes, yes. That's you'regoing to the office and with the6000:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,370your seething infected airways6100:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,210real men go to the office. Thatwould be the6200:03:33,210 --> 00:03:36,450ISO if we did one. I'm going tomark that. I'm gonna mark that6300:03:36,450 --> 00:03:39,600just in case I don't know why. Ithink I might need that.6400:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,540You know? Strike. Did you saystrikes big news today?6500:03:45,570 --> 00:03:49,350I did. There. I thought this wasalready happening. They're6600:03:49,350 --> 00:03:54,030integrating with clover. Which IHow big is clover? They're their6700:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,350point of sale. Merchant network,I believe right?6800:03:59,070 --> 00:04:03,090Yes, this there like, like thesquare point of sale terminal6900:04:03,150 --> 00:04:06,390type deal. I think they're acompetitor in that whole market.7000:04:07,170 --> 00:04:10,110Yeah, but I mean, like this,it's it's a big deal. The Clover7100:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,370stuff is all there in a lot ofrestaurants and stuff is good.7200:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,420Yeah, this could be a big deal.And they're they made it I guess7300:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,510the best thing is it's not astrike. They just evidently7400:04:21,510 --> 00:04:25,200built the pathways for it andthe back end because you don't7500:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,290have to use strike to pay.Right. You can use any any7600:04:28,290 --> 00:04:29,940lightning right? In your ownnote. There's7700:04:30,510 --> 00:04:33,120that part. That's the best part.I liked that a lot. Yeah.7800:04:33,750 --> 00:04:38,070I'm itching to try it. Now. Ihope there's somebody local to7900:04:38,070 --> 00:04:40,740me that I can like give this ashot because that would be like8000:04:40,980 --> 00:04:41,850super cool.8100:04:41,969 --> 00:04:46,469So they do full service dining.Almost like I'm gonna go back8200:04:46,469 --> 00:04:48,569you haven't actually looked atthis full service dining, quick8300:04:48,569 --> 00:04:51,179service dining, retail stores,personal service, professional8400:04:51,179 --> 00:04:53,639services, home and fieldservices. It doesn't wonder how8500:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,189big they are just now. I don'tknow how many they have. It8600:04:56,189 --> 00:04:58,919doesn't matter. It's Fanta it'sa three month trial from what I8700:04:58,919 --> 00:05:01,589understand and if every Thinkgoes well, they'll make it8800:05:01,589 --> 00:05:02,159permanent.8900:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,700Which is cool. I mean, itsounded like maybe I9000:05:05,700 --> 00:05:11,520misunderstood the way they werewording the whole thing but it9100:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400sounded like like they weregonna do it regardless they just9200:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,840wanted some preliminary dataabout how many you know like how9300:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,810much traffic they were going toget maybe for maybe for back9400:05:21,810 --> 00:05:25,740like infrastructure sizing or sothey would know what channels to9500:05:25,740 --> 00:05:30,870get and says like, at launchestimate, just traditionally9600:05:30,870 --> 00:05:37,170I think strike this is a jackMahler's company they they were9700:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,460using more than just lightningright? They were using other9800:05:41,460 --> 00:05:43,140stable coins and9900:05:43,529 --> 00:05:46,439weren't they? Were they usingtether something like that now10000:05:46,469 --> 00:05:47,249EUR USD see10100:05:47,250 --> 00:05:51,060maybe I tried to explain some ofthis to Joe Rogan. I was on your10200:05:51,060 --> 00:05:53,850show earlier this week and notas10300:05:53,850 --> 00:05:57,090anything you want to talk aboutwith that? Well, of course, but10400:05:57,090 --> 00:06:00,390you know by design, I do notlisten to anything with you10500:06:00,390 --> 00:06:02,100during the week leading up tothe show. I don't wanna be10600:06:02,100 --> 00:06:04,560spoiled. So this is off Ihaven't had listened to nothing.10700:06:04,830 --> 00:06:07,050Nothing that I've not listenedto the Joe Rogan show.10800:06:07,919 --> 00:06:10,529We talked about my teeth ofcourse, you know, I was just10900:06:10,529 --> 00:06:13,679getting just buttering him uplet him know. letting him know11000:06:13,679 --> 00:06:17,759how horrible My experience wasbut just so he could go Oh man.11100:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,189Oh, that's horrible. I can'tbelieve it. Yeah, Joe I'm a real11200:06:20,189 --> 00:06:20,369man.11300:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,940You're fishing you're fishingfor Oh man. They look great.11400:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,880Oh no, no, I didn't fish that'sit Don't they look great.11500:06:28,380 --> 00:06:31,680Just went straight for it. Ofcourse of course right for sure.11600:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,120Look at my teeth with abeautiful I was11700:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,270really trying to just have a Imean we had a great conversation11800:06:36,270 --> 00:06:40,650three and a half hours and itwasn't like any one topic we hit11900:06:40,650 --> 00:06:45,030on so many different things Igot to do a lot of he brought up12000:06:45,060 --> 00:06:48,510a Bitcoin FTX and you know, Ithink I made a lot of the12100:06:48,510 --> 00:06:51,390Bitcoin bros very happy bysaying oh no all that other12200:06:51,390 --> 00:06:56,220stuff is just shit coins got togo to zero. I was pretty brazen.12300:06:56,700 --> 00:06:59,850But I did get some I think somereal good points in there.12400:07:01,500 --> 00:07:03,000Like Todd at pod fest?12500:07:03,089 --> 00:07:07,379Well, well every time I watch Iunfortunately, I haven't been12600:07:07,379 --> 00:07:09,959able to listen to Todd but Iwill talk about him later for12700:07:09,959 --> 00:07:10,379sure.12800:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040Now he said from the podiumduring this during his like talk12900:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,860he's said that some about thethe day value as Bitcoin not13000:07:19,860 --> 00:07:24,000shit coin. You got a bunch ofapplause Well, you are in13100:07:24,000 --> 00:07:24,540Florida.13200:07:25,650 --> 00:07:29,310Well, that's exactly what it'svery interesting. Because I13300:07:29,310 --> 00:07:32,340learned something. I talkedabout alignment. This is such a13400:07:32,340 --> 00:07:35,910huge show. I mean, it's got tobe one of the biggest audiences13500:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,910of any certainly in the UnitedStates but probably the world is13600:07:38,970 --> 00:07:41,520I mean, what does you have 10 11million13700:07:43,529 --> 00:07:47,759Yeah, know, it's big. I wasabout to ask you how many was to13800:07:47,759 --> 00:07:48,329estimate13900:07:48,960 --> 00:07:56,370I think 10 At least well butit's it's big. So anything you14000:07:56,370 --> 00:08:01,230do you get people commenting. SoI talked about beef and you know14100:08:01,230 --> 00:08:05,100beef initiative and like youknow, just I mean what I do is14200:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,320the same we do here what I do onevery show just talking about14300:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,660whatever's going on in my lifeyou know, so hey, had the meat14400:08:09,660 --> 00:08:14,400mafia guys over you know, boughtbought a third of a cow paid14500:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,490with Bitcoin all these kinds ofthings. I would try to bring up14600:08:17,490 --> 00:08:20,010podcasting two point I'd say itfrom time to time. Yeah, that's14700:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,350exactly what we're doing withpodcasting. 2.0 and Joe would go14800:08:22,350 --> 00:08:26,460boom into another direction. Hewas he was not interested in14900:08:26,460 --> 00:08:33,750hearing about it. But what waskind of cool about that. Now I15000:08:33,750 --> 00:08:38,880learned something about Twitter.Joe no not not from Joe because15100:08:38,910 --> 00:08:42,540there's so many comments I'vegotten yet 2000 more followers15200:08:42,540 --> 00:08:46,590he does the whole thing blowsup. And so Tina has you know,15300:08:46,590 --> 00:08:48,390she's really good at this stuff.She's looking at stuff she's15400:08:48,390 --> 00:08:51,690reading stuff to me Oh, look atthis, this comment this comment15500:08:51,810 --> 00:08:57,270and like where is that? And asit turns out, you do not get all15600:08:57,270 --> 00:09:03,000your mentions on your timelineat all. You have to go and15700:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,440search do a search for your nameto see everything I did not know15800:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,700so yeah, they are. We call we'llcall it shadow banning or15900:09:11,700 --> 00:09:15,870whatever. And I'm not quite surewhat the algo is because Tina16000:09:15,870 --> 00:09:18,900was doing this as well and shewould have different things that16100:09:18,900 --> 00:09:24,510would show on her timelineversus mine. And so only only16200:09:24,540 --> 00:09:27,630audio when she did a only whenwe both do a search for my name16300:09:27,630 --> 00:09:30,870can you really see everythingthat comes through and I'd say16400:09:30,870 --> 00:09:35,340it's a good 20% that doesn'tshow up on your on your mentions16500:09:35,340 --> 00:09:38,880timeline, which I found to be alot and I didn't know that I16600:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,470can't really find a16700:09:41,190 --> 00:09:43,860I'm actually seeing this now onours. I just searched for add16800:09:43,860 --> 00:09:47,280podcast index. Org. Yeah. AndI'm seeing a whole bunch of16900:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,230stuff I haven't seen beforeExactly.17000:09:49,410 --> 00:09:52,170And I don't it doesn't seem tobe related to number of17100:09:52,170 --> 00:09:56,610followers. I just don't knowmaybe people have a flag or I17200:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,490you know, but it's it was alittle jarring because I had no17300:09:59,490 --> 00:10:02,790idea that that was taking place.I figured, well, I mean, yeah,17400:10:02,820 --> 00:10:06,240sure, some people I may not showup on my regular timeline. But17500:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,840if you're tagging me at Adamcurry, which you think it would17600:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,510show up? Yeah, so that was alittle. And we talked about17700:10:12,540 --> 00:10:15,390Elon, and about what I thinkhe's doing what he's actually17800:10:15,390 --> 00:10:19,590publicly said that he wants toTwitter to be your wallet, you17900:10:19,590 --> 00:10:23,730know, the WeChat. And everythingis SOS. So I got some hate. Some18000:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,530Elon haters are haters on mebecause I love Elon. But at a18100:10:28,530 --> 00:10:32,340certain point, when we weretalking about podcasting, and18200:10:32,340 --> 00:10:35,700Joe says, it's really hard tobreak into podcasts, so many of18300:10:35,700 --> 00:10:38,190them. I said, well, that numberis a little disputed. He said,18400:10:38,220 --> 00:10:42,420What do you mean? I said, Idon't want to disparage anyone18500:10:42,420 --> 00:10:45,900you might have a relationshipwith a business relationship18600:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,870says, I don't give a shit. Ihave no relationship to numbers18700:10:49,230 --> 00:10:53,310to Okay. Well anchor whichSpotify bought, has created a18800:10:53,310 --> 00:10:55,980bunch of shit. And they put thatinto Spotify. And they claim18900:10:55,980 --> 00:10:59,190they got over 5 millionpodcasts. And we sift through19000:10:59,190 --> 00:11:01,650that stuff. And it turns out,there's at least a million a19100:11:01,650 --> 00:11:07,080million a half that can just bedisregarded. Yeah. And I was19200:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,820kind of proud that we got thatout. We got that out. It was19300:11:11,820 --> 00:11:12,870kind of cool, though.19400:11:13,199 --> 00:11:17,309Well, the latest happenings atSpotify. Yeah, knowing what's19500:11:17,309 --> 00:11:22,409going on. Yeah, that that justreiterates that anchor has to be19600:11:22,439 --> 00:11:24,599they have to be a goner.19700:11:24,990 --> 00:11:27,930Well, there's, there's a lotmore going on. I mean, the whole19800:11:27,930 --> 00:11:31,770industry has problems. And let'sjust get through it right now,19900:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,250because I did make some notesabout this. And I want to make20000:11:35,250 --> 00:11:42,300it clear that people who sayJames, that this is the that20100:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,920this is the stock market, marketstock market is doing this, I20200:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,210need to set you straight.20300:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,780I have that on my notes I havethe James stock market is the20400:11:51,780 --> 00:11:52,230Tokyo20500:11:52,830 --> 00:11:57,120Stock market is not like someominous thing that controls the20600:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,170company. No, the stock market ispeople who own pieces of these20700:12:01,170 --> 00:12:05,370companies. And the more piecesyou own, the more you can get on20800:12:05,370 --> 00:12:08,370the board, the more influenceyou can have. Once you take your20900:12:08,370 --> 00:12:12,510company public, then you live ordie by your investors, which are21000:12:12,510 --> 00:12:15,930now many more, and they canpunish you in different ways by21100:12:15,930 --> 00:12:20,190selling your stock which reallyhurts the company. And the main21200:12:20,190 --> 00:12:23,970way that hurts the company ispeople are given options as part21300:12:23,970 --> 00:12:27,510of their compensation package.And I've run my took my company21400:12:27,510 --> 00:12:30,840public ran it I know all thethings that go on all the all21500:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,890the tips and tricks, even howthe stock prices are manipulated21600:12:34,890 --> 00:12:37,950and what it does to a cultureinside a company when the stock21700:12:37,950 --> 00:12:42,450price drops. Now this is acrossthe board, I might add that no21800:12:42,450 --> 00:12:46,500all stocks everything hasdropped to 60 70% over the past21900:12:46,860 --> 00:12:51,870year or so. But there'ssomething else that needs to be22000:12:51,870 --> 00:12:54,870understood about Spotify.Spotify did not have a22100:12:54,870 --> 00:13:00,570traditional IPO. They didn't gopublic with an underwriter. They22200:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,740they were one of the outside ofGoogle but they did this as22300:13:04,740 --> 00:13:09,120well. They did a Dutch auction,where you you just appear you22400:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,380just you you go public, butwithout an underwriter and what22500:13:13,380 --> 00:13:17,460that does, it enables everybodywho invested early. And when I22600:13:17,460 --> 00:13:20,610say invested a lot of people,you know they raised a billion22700:13:20,610 --> 00:13:24,930dollars here they raised $400million there. Everybody who had22800:13:24,930 --> 00:13:30,390stock got out immediately at theopening price. That is typically22900:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,500when you go public. If you're aninsider, and you hold stock, you23000:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,990have to hold on for lockupperiod, which could be three23100:13:36,990 --> 00:13:39,300months, six months, etc.23200:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,360As an IPO, you don't have to dothat. Well, yeah, well, if you23300:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,430don't if you don't have those,those contracts, and23400:13:47,460 --> 00:13:50,730it's called the direct listing,and so also not having an23500:13:50,730 --> 00:13:55,530underwriter means it doesn'tcost 5% of the money you raise.23600:13:55,650 --> 00:13:58,380So they didn't really raiseanything with going public, all23700:13:58,380 --> 00:14:02,340they did was making theirinvestors record companies23800:14:02,820 --> 00:14:06,840making those investors very richright off the bat. And then they23900:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,760and they have 00 power overtheir inventory. They do not24000:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,100control the pricing of the ofthe music licensing. And, and24100:14:17,190 --> 00:14:22,290and when you have no controlover your cost of goods, you're24200:14:22,290 --> 00:14:25,980always going to be a slave tothe people who deliver the goods24300:14:25,980 --> 00:14:30,900which are the, the labels andthe publishers. Subsequently,24400:14:30,900 --> 00:14:36,390they also, I think, pay thelowest amount of royalty to two24500:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,120artists, which is you know, it'skind of a new category of24600:14:39,150 --> 00:14:42,180artists. If you didn't weren't awriter or musician or composer.24700:14:43,050 --> 00:14:45,180You are, I would say writercomposer, you wouldn't get24800:14:45,180 --> 00:14:48,840anything other than the deal youmade with the publisher ie your24900:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,310record company. So, you know,let's just remind each other or25000:14:53,310 --> 00:14:57,300everybody that this is whySpotify went into podcasting25100:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,000because they thought, Oh, thisis a popular thing. It's all25200:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,710Audio, we can easily combinethat. And well, we can we free25300:15:04,710 --> 00:15:07,620we can grab it, we can grab allthe content which, you know,25400:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,990which they did liberally. Whichis fine. I mean, I don't mind a25500:15:12,990 --> 00:15:16,770podcast app having my podcastbut not if not if there's25600:15:16,770 --> 00:15:19,050stipulations they can dowhatever they want with it. No,25700:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,110I'll take that back. And Iactually had to get messy with25800:15:22,110 --> 00:15:24,390them. So I'm gonna sue you ifyou don't take the shit off and25900:15:24,390 --> 00:15:28,260never sign anything. I don'twant it right now for all my26000:15:28,260 --> 00:15:33,960shows. The so they they werethinking they could control the26100:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,610price. And then and I met SamSeth, he had a great analogy26200:15:38,610 --> 00:15:41,700said, this is kind of like, youknow, Dawn Ostroff, who26300:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,330apparently was making $9 milliona year. She's the one that set26400:15:45,330 --> 00:15:48,660up the initial big content dealswith the Obamas with Kim26500:15:48,660 --> 00:15:52,560Kardashian with Joe Rogan. Yeah,that's a total Hollywood play.26600:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,740It's at Hollywood player. Andit's completely analogous to26700:15:55,740 --> 00:16:01,680Terry Semel, who came in to turnYahoo from a directory listing,26800:16:01,710 --> 00:16:05,430in essence, to a media company,you know, Yahoo had Yahoo mail26900:16:05,430 --> 00:16:07,890they had, I think Yahoofinancial is still pretty27000:16:07,890 --> 00:16:12,330popular. But yeah, sports, yes.But they, they fizzled out. I27100:16:12,330 --> 00:16:17,190mean, it never became the theHollywood powerhouse that it was27200:16:17,190 --> 00:16:19,230supposed to be. And there wasmore than Terry Semel, there27300:16:19,230 --> 00:16:24,450were a couple of Wait, Melissa,Marissa Meyer from from Google,27400:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,300she went in there for $100million. And whoa, I'll take27500:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,600care. So it's very hard to dothese things, if you have a27600:16:30,600 --> 00:16:37,290Hollywood mindset, or aHollywood approach. And I put a27700:16:37,290 --> 00:16:41,850number of articles into the sofirst of all this going direct27800:16:41,850 --> 00:16:45,240and not with an initial publicoffering, means you have no27900:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,730underwriter. So there isliterally no one to support your28000:16:47,730 --> 00:16:53,040stock. So an underwriters job,part of the fee that they get28100:16:53,190 --> 00:16:57,780is, if the price starts to godown, which makes, you know,28200:16:57,780 --> 00:17:01,980that could result in a lot ofpeople selling and all kinds of28300:17:02,010 --> 00:17:07,560nasty stuff. It is their job to,to prop that up. By buying28400:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,780stock, people are saying they'llbuy, they'll buy in there, hold28500:17:09,780 --> 00:17:10,650the buy and hold.28600:17:10,830 --> 00:17:13,020I mean, it's a whole theybuffer, they buffer it28700:17:13,590 --> 00:17:17,370as best they can. But they alsohelp you do secondary raises,28800:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,060and you know, you need money.And as we know, Spotify has28900:17:21,090 --> 00:17:26,010really not turned a profit. Andnow they're being punished for29000:17:26,010 --> 00:17:30,510it, as are all these companies.And the main reason is, in order29100:17:30,510 --> 00:17:33,480to get money is just moreexpensive. We've been down we've29200:17:33,510 --> 00:17:38,280discussed this several times.The gross margins are not there.29300:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,600I mean, it's not29400:17:39,930 --> 00:17:44,760Disney is my understanding ofSpotify has contracts. And29500:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,410everything are that, that theyare structured so that the more29600:17:49,410 --> 00:17:53,460revenue and the more the morepremium. The more listeners and29700:17:53,460 --> 00:17:58,080the more revenue they make theirtheir payouts to the record29800:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,930company to the major recordlevels levels go up commensurate29900:18:00,930 --> 00:18:04,770with that. So it doesn't makethey're not they can't escape30000:18:04,770 --> 00:18:08,040their current profit margin, ifthey're if they're at 25%.30100:18:08,310 --> 00:18:11,190They'll never get above thatcorrect. It's just always always30200:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,860goes up in lockstep withwhatever they do. And this is30300:18:13,860 --> 00:18:18,390their only escape hatch was tomake more money through podcast30400:18:18,390 --> 00:18:22,200advertising, because this justgetting more premium subscribers30500:18:22,650 --> 00:18:27,810through podcasts doesn't helpyou with your main with your30600:18:27,810 --> 00:18:30,900main expense, which is recordlabels. Because the more because30700:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,660the more subscribers you have,the higher your fees, go to the30800:18:33,660 --> 00:18:37,170record label. So you, you haveto make up the difference. You30900:18:37,170 --> 00:18:40,020have to increase your profitmargin, there's only one way and31000:18:40,020 --> 00:18:42,870that's through increasedadvertising rates. And they31100:18:42,870 --> 00:18:46,920can't they just seem unable ownpodcasts. I mean, so they they31200:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,500seem unable to make that happen.31300:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,630Well, there's a second A secondissue is they are pretty much31400:18:54,630 --> 00:18:59,490locked into their subscriptionprice. Because there's so much31500:18:59,490 --> 00:19:03,000competition, people will jump ifthey because really they need to31600:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,990raise that by $1 at leastprobably more just for inflation31700:19:07,020 --> 00:19:07,590alone.31800:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,859And instantly, you'd havemillions of people bail to Apple31900:19:10,859 --> 00:19:12,599Music or something like that, or32000:19:12,630 --> 00:19:17,190whatever, or whatever. They alsotreat the artists like shit32100:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,300historically, you know, therecord companies, they can just32200:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,230screw it, I'll just take it off,you know, hey, Taylor Swift made32300:19:25,230 --> 00:19:28,260them pay, you know, there wasthere was this they have they'd32400:19:28,260 --> 00:19:34,170have no power. And let's just behonest, the podcast industrial32500:19:34,170 --> 00:19:37,650complex does not there's justnot enough money in it. And now32600:19:37,650 --> 00:19:43,950we have the perfect storm whereadvertising is is going down.32700:19:44,310 --> 00:19:50,580But I realized as Joe and I weretalking that tick tock which and32800:19:50,580 --> 00:19:55,530it is my opinion that tick tockis is is under attack right now.32900:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,590Not because they're theirAmerican company. They use33000:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,150Chinese Technology and I'm surethat there's all kinds of stuff33100:20:03,150 --> 00:20:06,690being tracked and I'm sure theiralgos are unhealthy. Yeah, like33200:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,220Instagram isn't unhealthy. Orlike Facebook isn't it doesn't33300:20:11,220 --> 00:20:16,050have unhealthy algorithms buttick tock has been eating their33400:20:16,050 --> 00:20:22,440advertising lunch. And Tiktokalso has a blanket license fee33500:20:23,130 --> 00:20:27,600as a blanket license. They canso they they are now a music app33600:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,100as well. And Sony has a directrelation to Sony Music has a33700:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,480direct relationship with them.33800:20:33,510 --> 00:20:35,760Does Sony Music own any of TikTok?33900:20:35,790 --> 00:20:38,250I don't think they own anyepically. But they have a34000:20:38,250 --> 00:20:42,480partnership, which means they'remaking a lot of money. If you34100:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,990look at the music industry, itis tick tock right now, it's not34200:20:45,990 --> 00:20:49,590Spotify, it's not Apple Music.It's not Facebook, even though34300:20:49,590 --> 00:20:53,130all of those players havelicenses for streaming and for34400:20:53,130 --> 00:20:58,410streaming music. Every artistand I've I know some but I've34500:20:58,410 --> 00:21:02,760heard them all say I gotta be onTik. Even Hollywood movies, you34600:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,020gotta be on tick tock. So allthe licensing and everything is34700:21:07,020 --> 00:21:11,400going to tick tock and that iswhere a lot of the advertising34800:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,850is going, including podcastadvertising, because that's34900:21:14,850 --> 00:21:18,480where the people are. And therewas someone sent me a really35000:21:18,480 --> 00:21:25,800interesting metric. Do you knowwhy? We can know that tick tock35100:21:25,830 --> 00:21:29,760is crushing it versus everybodyelse. And mind you discuss this35200:21:29,790 --> 00:21:36,900on with Joe as well. That Tiktokis also devaluing Google search.35300:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,660Because people go to Tik Tok tosearch for stuff. What's a great35400:21:42,660 --> 00:21:46,380restaurant in Austin. And you'llsee, instead of getting a list35500:21:46,380 --> 00:21:49,530of links, which are ads, and youknow, you have to go to page35600:21:49,530 --> 00:21:53,820three to get some real opinions.You get whatever tick tock spits35700:21:53,820 --> 00:21:56,010out, but it's Hey, look at thisgreat restaurant. Everyone's so35800:21:56,010 --> 00:22:01,080creative. Here we are. That'show people search for stuff35900:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,240these days. It's no longer, youknow, and chat GPT is is kind of36000:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,380an outgrowth of that problem.But the way you can know that36100:22:10,380 --> 00:22:15,390Tiktok is crushing it is bylooking at the layoffs. They've36200:22:15,390 --> 00:22:20,130done. Oh, I'm sorry. None, nonethat I can find. I'm sure I'm36300:22:20,130 --> 00:22:25,290sure at some point. But even Ifound a link here. This is from36400:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,060December last year, so justabout two months ago. Where is36500:22:30,060 --> 00:22:36,000it? That's a different one. Asmeta and this is from CNN, very36600:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,170trustworthy, by the way, as metaand Twitter's slash staff tick36700:22:40,170 --> 00:22:46,320tock plans to keep hiring to. Sothat kind of gives credence to36800:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,370the idea that advertising andlook I'm sure, I'm sure there36900:22:50,370 --> 00:22:54,870are lots of brands that want toadvertise on podcast. But if, if37000:22:54,870 --> 00:22:58,830you want your product to work,you have to get your product out37100:22:58,830 --> 00:23:02,520there in front of people. TikTok is the place to be. And you37200:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,790can just ask anybody in theadvertising industry.37300:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,930This is this is interesting.There's a really good, that's a37400:23:12,930 --> 00:23:17,070really good. That's a reallygood metric that you can37500:23:17,070 --> 00:23:20,550measure. Yeah, that's a goodmetric. Because there's I37600:23:20,550 --> 00:23:22,800haven't heard anything aboutproblems at tick tock, no37700:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,340financial problems whatsoever.No. They're I mean, at least I37800:23:26,340 --> 00:23:28,860mean, there doesn't mean there'snot any but there, you would37900:23:28,860 --> 00:23:31,740think you would think with thehatred of tick tock right now,38000:23:31,740 --> 00:23:34,380if there was some I mean, itthat would be no, there would be38100:23:34,380 --> 00:23:35,130news everywhere.38200:23:35,160 --> 00:23:42,300And so my, my thesis is, sinceit's a meta and Google and now38300:23:42,300 --> 00:23:48,360whoever else they Google spendshundreds of millions of dollars38400:23:48,360 --> 00:23:54,240on on lobbying politicians. Soit's not unthinkable that you38500:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,780know, that politician Oh, yeah,it's China. Gotta get rid China.38600:23:58,170 --> 00:24:01,500The programming people. I mean,okay. Sure.38700:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,340I've got to clarify, I've got toclarify what I said. Because I38800:24:05,340 --> 00:24:07,050got a long email from Ryan hice.38900:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,980This past week, why do I knowthis name? Tell me Ryan Ryan39000:24:10,980 --> 00:24:11,520Heiser?39100:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,910Yeah, he's done a lot oftranscript work. And he does.39200:24:14,910 --> 00:24:18,930Yeah. So, Ron, good, you know,great developer. Good guy. He39300:24:18,930 --> 00:24:21,240sent me this long email.39400:24:22,830 --> 00:24:24,810About he got let go of modify.39500:24:25,980 --> 00:24:29,820No, no, no. That's a different.No, no, that's Nathan. Nathan.39600:24:29,820 --> 00:24:36,750Right. Yeah. So it Ryan got asent me a long email about how39700:24:37,620 --> 00:24:42,150seeing that I had misunderstoodGoogle's AI stuff. And how39800:24:42,150 --> 00:24:45,480Google had they had a bunch ofgreat AI in the mix and all that39900:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,300kind of stuff. The understandhow you could have taken it that40000:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,440way. That is not my point. Mypoint was not let in last week40100:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,250talking about that was not thatGoogle did not have good AI40200:24:56,250 --> 00:25:02,310juice. No UX juice. Yes. TheIt's got nothing to do with40300:25:02,310 --> 00:25:07,530their AI. I'm sure they've gottop notch AI. They cannot, what40400:25:07,530 --> 00:25:12,840their problem is that they'restill there their main product40500:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,160their cash cow. They're certainthey're good the google.com I'm40600:25:17,160 --> 00:25:23,730feeling lucky search page is,is, is inadequate. It does not40700:25:23,730 --> 00:25:28,020function right. For today itlike it's being left behind.40800:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,140They're not. And honestly,there's an outside of like it40900:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,730and the more technical people, Idon't see a lot of people using41000:25:38,730 --> 00:25:43,230the Google Search anyway, likegoing to google.com and doing a41100:25:43,230 --> 00:25:43,710search.41200:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,680I mean, I've been, I've beenusing Neva, which is a paid41300:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,850search engine run by formerGoogle Search guys. And it costs41400:25:50,850 --> 00:25:57,720$5 a month. And they they justadded a chat GPT like interface.41500:25:58,260 --> 00:26:01,920I said, Oh, you want that. Okay,and so but they show oh, here's41600:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,160the force, or the four or fivesources this answer came from,41700:26:05,370 --> 00:26:09,090and it spits out an answer inEnglish. And it's like, oh, wow,41800:26:09,090 --> 00:26:12,150that's really exciting. I mean,it's just links, but they41900:26:12,150 --> 00:26:15,930connected it with words. And youknow, they've gotten reasonable42000:26:15,930 --> 00:26:19,920AI, they're just quicker toimplement it. But it's, it's all42100:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280a UX thing. It's not necessarilythe technology behind it is I42200:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,300think that's what you're saying.42300:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,780Yes, sir. Search is going tosearch is going to become a42400:26:27,780 --> 00:26:33,480commodity. Like now I'm having ahard time thinking of example, I42500:26:33,480 --> 00:26:33,810mean,42600:26:34,650 --> 00:26:38,610the same way Tik Tok is searchednow that it's, you could Yes,42700:26:38,610 --> 00:26:41,670you can push it all you want.But if people are using it,42800:26:41,670 --> 00:26:44,310people are using Tiktok. Tosearch you can jump up and down42900:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,620and say you're not searching,right. But that's not going to43000:26:46,620 --> 00:26:48,240stop people from using it.43100:26:48,930 --> 00:26:55,020You end up going to Google forsearching things like you know,43200:26:55,020 --> 00:27:00,900some topic that's for a bookreport or you trying to find,43300:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,360you know, my my iPad, my iPhone,how to how to reboot iPhone,43400:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,840which button combination, they Imean, things like that. And then43500:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,740you you find the first page oflinks is mostly crap and43600:27:13,740 --> 00:27:17,610irrelevant. And it's just, Idon't know, it's just the more43700:27:17,610 --> 00:27:21,390it's pushing. Google's crapsearch is now pushing everybody43800:27:21,390 --> 00:27:26,430in. It's pushing everybody intoother areas of, of search surge43900:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,700in it, they're there if theydon't change that. They're44000:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,580screwed. That I mean, they'rethere because they don't have44100:27:32,580 --> 00:27:37,170another cat. They don't haveanother money cow. In the mix at44200:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,250what you were talking about theTick Tock I get. I sort of went44300:27:41,250 --> 00:27:42,600down a little bit of a rabbithole when44400:27:43,260 --> 00:27:43,770you're talking44500:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,630with David Cohen, from IB, he'sevidently co CEO of IB. And44600:27:52,500 --> 00:27:53,130they're like,44700:27:53,730 --> 00:27:57,690I he is an InteractiveAdvertising Bureau, I think is44800:27:57,690 --> 00:27:58,170what say,44900:27:58,170 --> 00:28:01,500Yes, he does. Right. Yeah. Andthey do the podcasts, you know,45000:28:01,500 --> 00:28:01,950download45100:28:02,130 --> 00:28:05,070down. Oh, good. I have a clipthat'll fit with this. I'm sure45200:28:05,070 --> 00:28:06,720but okay. Really? Yeah.45300:28:08,250 --> 00:28:11,430Yeah, is what does, yeah. Sothey're, they're the ones that45400:28:11,430 --> 00:28:15,150dropped their fees from like, 50grand to $12,000. In the first45500:28:15,150 --> 00:28:15,900certifying45600:28:15,930 --> 00:28:22,350every hosting company search ormetrics as approved. Yes. Which45700:28:22,350 --> 00:28:25,470is very, it's very complicatedcompliance, right, very45800:28:25,470 --> 00:28:29,220complicated. And which, ofcourse, is being crushed in a45900:28:29,220 --> 00:28:33,660way by Spurlock's op three, opthree, yeah, absolutely.46000:28:33,660 --> 00:28:38,520crushing it. You got a guy whocan afford a server? You can46100:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,790you can, you can crank it upwith David Cohen, I be staring46200:28:44,790 --> 00:28:48,450down the barrel. And I think wecan talk like a little bit about46300:28:48,660 --> 00:28:51,240clearly what the feelings are atthe IB,46400:28:51,510 --> 00:28:55,140several areas of focus. For ALMI think you mentioned before46500:28:55,140 --> 00:28:56,430privacy and addressability.46600:28:56,460 --> 00:28:58,290What's ALM? Do we know what ALMis,46700:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,870that is the name of theirmarketing conferences to46800:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,070advertising.46900:29:02,370 --> 00:29:03,900Lying marketer. Let47000:29:03,930 --> 00:29:06,810Liz Williams machines are47100:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,500several areas of focus. For ALMI think you mentioned before47200:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,590privacy and addressability isclearly one of them that we're47300:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,470you know, we're facing down thebarrel of five state laws coming47400:29:16,470 --> 00:29:20,700into effect in 2023. Nationalprivacy reform made some47500:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,770progress this year, but we'llprobably going to take that up47600:29:22,770 --> 00:29:26,970again in the next Congress. Thefuture of kind of the the47700:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,510streaming world, both audio andvideo, we call that kind of47800:29:30,810 --> 00:29:33,510flexibility and fluidity,blurring the lines between47900:29:33,510 --> 00:29:36,240awareness and demand. You know,historically, we've thought48000:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,410about, you know, lead generationfocused activities and brand48100:29:40,410 --> 00:29:43,770focus, we think that there's ablurring of the lines. So48200:29:43,770 --> 00:29:47,370there'll be a track focused onthat. We're gonna talk about48300:29:47,370 --> 00:29:50,820trust and transparency andhumanity in the digital48400:29:50,820 --> 00:29:53,400ecosystem. We're going to talkabout recalibrating measurement48500:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,210and attribution. So streaming isclearly an area we're also going48600:29:57,210 --> 00:29:59,970to be talking about, kind ofwhere is this industry going?48700:30:00,690 --> 00:30:05,010You know, what? Where does webthree? Where do NF T's? Where48800:30:05,010 --> 00:30:08,760does the metaverse AR and VR fitin? And how can we give some48900:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,080practical and pragmaticsuggestions for where marketers49000:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,050should be putting their money?So there's no doubt as you said,49100:30:16,050 --> 00:30:20,460streaming is, is a key part ofthat. But one of many things49200:30:20,460 --> 00:30:21,450that we're going to be talkingabout.49300:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,400So what do you think when youhear just that this there was49400:30:26,460 --> 00:30:29,700there was no recording bydesign? They did not let they49500:30:29,700 --> 00:30:34,560did not stream or record theconference this year for the, to49600:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,680my knowledge for the first time,they did not make it available49700:30:37,680 --> 00:30:43,650for streaming. It was in persononly. And he even says, but but49800:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,740I got a transcript of hiskeynote speech. He opened it.49900:30:46,770 --> 00:30:47,730Oh, that's50000:30:47,730 --> 00:30:51,540what the it of course, peopleshould know that when Dave sends50100:30:51,540 --> 00:30:54,570me stuff, I don't listen. Idon't look if it's a picture and50200:30:54,570 --> 00:30:57,960I did not look but a C colon IABspeech dot txt. Okay, what's in?50300:30:57,990 --> 00:31:00,960Yes. Can we publish this? That'sprobably illegal.50400:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,069Well, somebody, somebody put iton a Google Doc. There's a link50500:31:05,069 --> 00:31:07,349to that. We can just link to thegoogle ca. Yeah, I won't be50600:31:07,349 --> 00:31:11,009careful. Yeah, yeah, we shouldlink to the Google Doc. But50700:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,909anyway, he just said, I thinkno, I think it was requested. I50800:31:14,909 --> 00:31:17,729think somebody requested it. Andthe IB sent them the text of the50900:31:17,729 --> 00:31:19,559speech. So I think that's whatthat Google Doc is.51000:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,610But the word podcast does notshow up in the transcript. No,51100:31:23,610 --> 00:31:23,700it51200:31:23,700 --> 00:31:28,770does not. And I can tell youwhy. And I think you understand51300:31:28,770 --> 00:31:31,680from the earliest, I think youmay agree with me from listening51400:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,860to that, to his preview of whatthey're going to be talking51500:31:34,860 --> 00:31:39,630about there. I think they're,they're terrified of regulation.51600:31:40,710 --> 00:31:44,550And they have no idea what todo. Those are my two doesn't51700:31:44,550 --> 00:31:44,640have51800:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,280to take away what are the whatregulation are they terrified51900:31:47,310 --> 00:31:53,550of? Well, he thought this this,this speech was very, very52000:31:53,550 --> 00:31:56,910interesting. He says, I'm goingto talk about three big things52100:31:56,910 --> 00:31:59,400this year. And if you remembernothing else, I want you these52200:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,810to be your major takeaways. Andso take away one, extremists are52300:32:03,810 --> 00:32:06,690winning the battle for heartsand minds in Washington, DC and52400:32:06,690 --> 00:32:09,780beyond. We cannot let thathappen. Oh, sure. School52500:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,600Republicans is what he justsaid. No, no, no, no, he's no,52600:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,760he's called him. He's calling.He's calling everybody out. He52700:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,200says, if you ask Assad rums andOllie, former Red legislative52800:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,810assistant to democraticCalifornia representative Anna52900:32:21,810 --> 00:32:24,630issue, and current Chief ofStaff for the White House,53000:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,500Office of Science and TechnologyPolicy, digital ads are, quote,53100:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800a means for misinformation andinsightful speech to proliferate53200:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,320and hurt people. Unquote. Okay,he throws Amy Klobuchar under53300:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400the bus to Cruz. He's throwingeverybody under the bus that53400:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,700they get. And he's he goes overhere and he also calls out53500:32:47,010 --> 00:32:52,710accountable tech. He says, justlook at the venomous accusations53600:32:52,710 --> 00:32:56,580leveled at us by accountabletech, one of the more virulent53700:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,310anti advertising groups tryingto shut down the ad supported53800:32:59,310 --> 00:33:02,760internet. Yeah, they say digitaladvertising has a toxic business53900:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,090model that exists to quoteexploit users and businesses at54000:33:06,090 --> 00:33:09,780tremendous societal cost.Accountable tech is no organic,54100:33:09,810 --> 00:33:12,930organic grassroots effort, ledby concerned citizens it's an54200:33:12,930 --> 00:33:15,990arm of a for profit, multimillion billion dollar54300:33:15,990 --> 00:33:19,740Washington lobbying group namedArabella Advisors, a group, The54400:33:19,740 --> 00:33:23,040Atlantic calls, quote, Themothership of progressive dark54500:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,570money. Okay. Yeah. And so hecould I mean, he's like, they're54600:33:27,870 --> 00:33:33,240the half literally half of thisspeech, if not more, is about54700:33:33,930 --> 00:33:38,580the dangers of legislationthat's going to curtail digital54800:33:38,580 --> 00:33:39,450ad tracking.54900:33:40,770 --> 00:33:45,450Well, not just that, I wouldargue that from day one, just55000:33:45,450 --> 00:33:49,140everyone realizes podcasts.index.org was set up to thwart55100:33:49,470 --> 00:33:52,410any Silicon Valley company thatthought that they could own the55200:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,710index to podcasting and takestuff out whenever they felt55300:33:55,710 --> 00:34:00,210like it. The second part of whatwe did is the value for value55400:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,450streaming, streaming paymentsand the Boosted board, the55500:34:03,450 --> 00:34:05,640booster grams actually grew outof it. That was the that was55600:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,590part of the beauty of, of theproject. But we've always said,55700:34:11,130 --> 00:34:16,290advertising is censorship andwhat you see continuously with55800:34:16,290 --> 00:34:19,080different so there's alsolegislation in there not just55900:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,470for tracking but for hatespeech, and for all other56000:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,530variations of speechsuppression. That I think that56100:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,950it's used as a wedge by groupsall over the spectrum, to shut56200:34:34,950 --> 00:34:40,350people up or shut down platformsby by removing their adverts or56300:34:40,350 --> 00:34:43,350taking away their lifeblood,which is advertising. And the56400:34:43,350 --> 00:34:49,650way you do that is say, Thatguy's a racist, you know, and if56500:34:49,650 --> 00:34:53,760I'll just interrupt for 48seconds to prove my point. This56600:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,700is from the World Economic Forumratioed Edelman Edelman56700:34:56,730 --> 00:35:01,080worldwide is a huge marketing PRfirm And here's what he had to56800:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,190say he's the CEO.56900:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,390So I think the first thing thatbecause I mostly work with57000:35:06,390 --> 00:35:12,090business that business needs todo is deprive platforms that57100:35:12,090 --> 00:35:17,910spread disinformation of oxygen,stop advertising, pull your57200:35:17,910 --> 00:35:21,180promotion money, make sure thatthey understand that they have a57300:35:21,180 --> 00:35:27,630consequential impact on society.And the boycott of Twitter for57400:35:27,660 --> 00:35:34,770several months has had a modest,modest impact. But I think the57500:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,740Facebook one failed. And, butthe necessity of getting it57600:35:40,740 --> 00:35:44,310right in the platforms that areprobably primary source57700:35:44,310 --> 00:35:50,460information for the third to 40%of people is urgent.57800:35:51,330 --> 00:35:56,130So it's not bashful about it.Yeah, just political means or57900:35:56,130 --> 00:36:01,620whatever reason he has. We'rejust gonna pull up advertising58000:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200to force people into compliance.58100:36:05,039 --> 00:36:10,049Yeah, it's giants. But at thedata, like institutionalized58200:36:10,049 --> 00:36:14,699now, oh, yeah. Yeah, so but theone thing that this guy hates58300:36:14,699 --> 00:36:20,279more than anything? Is Apple.Man, this guy hates apple. Why?58400:36:20,339 --> 00:36:21,419I mean, wow.58500:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,240Oh, because they turn off awhole bunch of tracking things.58600:36:24,630 --> 00:36:27,360Yeah, it's I mean, listen, this.We have to take on the58700:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,480extremists if we want tosurvive, but there are also58800:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,110quote, enemies within and thatstarts with Apple. After years58900:36:34,110 --> 00:36:36,330of failing to build asignificant market for ads and59000:36:36,330 --> 00:36:40,110Apple Music in Apple TV and onthe iPhone. Apple has decided59100:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,840the next best thing is to stopanyone else from making money in59200:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,950advertising. That's why they arethe poison apple. Apple's App59300:36:46,950 --> 00:36:50,790Tracking transparency vaporizedan estimated $9.8 billion of59400:36:50,790 --> 00:36:54,030revenues for Facebook, Twitter,YouTube and snap, according to59500:36:54,030 --> 00:36:58,530the Financial Times. What'smore, I be estimates that Apple59600:36:58,530 --> 00:37:01,380single handedly wiped outanother six and a half billion59700:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,980in revenues for publishers onthe open web. Apple has dealt a59800:37:04,980 --> 00:37:07,710cruel blow to the millions ofcompanies created off the59900:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,710backbone of the open internet,including 1000s of small60000:37:10,710 --> 00:37:13,830businesses, and millions ofincome owner income earning60100:37:13,830 --> 00:37:14,400creators60200:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,420that's rich. We add track peopleanymore, Apple was evil.60300:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,470Apple is anti advertising andpublic was sales of iPhones60400:37:22,470 --> 00:37:25,800stagnating privately Apple ispitching as to everybody on60500:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,150Madison Avenue. True. That'strue via Apple's aims to lead60600:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,970Apple's aims to let them expandtheir advertising business while60700:37:32,970 --> 00:37:35,820rewriting the rulebook. So therest of the industry can't60800:37:35,820 --> 00:37:38,490compete. Apple will trysmothering the advertising60900:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,740industry just like they did tothe record, meet the recorded61000:37:40,740 --> 00:37:44,490music industry. We can't sitback and watch that happen. I61100:37:44,490 --> 00:37:47,820mean, he just goes on and on. Imean, like he's just he's got61200:37:47,820 --> 00:37:49,470another two paragraphs aboutApple.61300:37:49,740 --> 00:37:52,890Yeah, well, they the Apple has alot of power in this regard. And61400:37:52,890 --> 00:37:58,590again, so now it's backfiring onthem. You know, I mean, this61500:37:58,620 --> 00:38:02,730none of none of this issurprising to me. And I think61600:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,610we've been very clear, certainlyon this show over and over61700:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,580again, this is not the way tothis is why we set this up is61800:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,670not the way to go. There's oneother thing I want to bring up61900:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,240when it comes to advertising.And this is something that I62000:38:15,240 --> 00:38:24,840know about. I I knowinglyparticipated in it. Yeah, by not62100:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,920I left my own company because ofit. We put it that way. And that62200:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,890is that. Yes. And that is a scamthat is advertising based upon62300:38:34,890 --> 00:38:38,370views, downloads, streams,whatever you whatever you want62400:38:38,370 --> 00:38:44,610to count. It's it's calledarbitrage. And that it worked62500:38:44,610 --> 00:38:48,750really well, when there was lotsof money. Just keep saying it.62600:38:49,500 --> 00:38:54,210And interestingly, and I'veavoided even paying much62700:38:54,210 --> 00:38:58,710attention to this whole fractuswith Steven Crowder and the62800:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,950daily wire and how much moneythat we're gonna make or not62900:39:01,950 --> 00:39:06,180make. And it's it's all infighting. It's all incredibly63000:39:06,180 --> 00:39:09,750boring and boring. Boring isboring. But Steven Crowder63100:39:09,750 --> 00:39:12,930reminded me of something thathappens in companies and he's63200:39:12,930 --> 00:39:16,680gonna he's gonna say it's onlywhat he calls big con, but it's63300:39:16,710 --> 00:39:20,490across the board, all technologycompanies, all media technology63400:39:20,490 --> 00:39:22,980companies. And that's thefollowing that hurts creators in63500:39:22,980 --> 00:39:24,660the same thing, by the way,we're talking about misleading63600:39:24,660 --> 00:39:27,450practices. With sponsors.There's no problem, right? And63700:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,600this is all publicly verifiable.I want you guys to audit this,63800:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,820but there don't have to be asmany receipts provided. you63900:39:32,820 --> 00:39:35,160market your channel, right. Ithink we probably have some ads64000:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,740running right now, like Spotify.Like yeah, if you'd like to show64100:39:37,740 --> 00:39:40,470tune on Spotify. But there's abig difference. We know that64200:39:40,470 --> 00:39:42,930there's a huge prominentindustry of pay to play. Now,64300:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,120you can do that. That's fine. Ifyou want to know your numbers,64400:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,700but what does that pay to playmeans that you can buy views,64500:39:47,730 --> 00:39:50,340right, you can pay to play youcan run your video as a pre roll64600:39:50,340 --> 00:39:53,550ad and people see that number,but really, a lot of them are 1464700:39:53,550 --> 00:39:56,130Second views eight seconds, butit's still clicks that counter64800:39:56,790 --> 00:39:58,710close is apples to applescomparison that you could do64900:39:58,710 --> 00:40:01,050right now as you can go out andand take like, let's say not65000:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,450this controversy because there'scross pollination. Okay, so I'm65100:40:03,450 --> 00:40:03,990just going to cut it65200:40:03,990 --> 00:40:06,240off there. And it's linked tobitter, bitter, bitter, bitter,65300:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,680but I mean, it gets lost sofast.65400:40:07,680 --> 00:40:16,800So the idea is, you buy ads, orclicks or streams or views or65500:40:17,010 --> 00:40:23,910some bullshit in a game thatresults in a number of one to65600:40:23,910 --> 00:40:26,79010. Whatever is legal IAB, Ithink it is, you know, was it65700:40:26,790 --> 00:40:30,180one second one minute, whateverit is, is not the full show is65800:40:30,180 --> 00:40:32,910certainly not going to be allthe ads. And that counts as a65900:40:32,910 --> 00:40:36,120view or download a stream. I'mjust generalizing, we all know66000:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,750what we're talking about. Andyou but you, you buy that66100:40:40,050 --> 00:40:43,200interaction, which is not a realperson. I mean, it may be a66200:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,720person but not doing it becausethey're interested listening and66300:40:45,720 --> 00:40:52,860will hear ads. You do that for$10 per 1000. CPM. And you turn66400:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,850around and you sell it yourselfto show to advertisers for $22.66500:40:56,850 --> 00:41:02,280CPM. And that arbitrage isgetting out of whack. That is66600:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,630awesome. It's well, it's it'sreally sad it really and it's66700:41:06,630 --> 00:41:11,130funny, because it's soengrained, my my friend over66800:41:11,130 --> 00:41:14,940there to 100% retro, which isthe 24 hour streaming station.66900:41:15,510 --> 00:41:21,390He's now he started off doingthis expecting to do ads. And I67000:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,840and I just helped him bootstrapthe streaming payments on top of67100:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,860it. And so he's now he hasinvestors, this is so typical,67200:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,520he has investors, and most ofit's his own money, but he has a67300:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,460couple of investors. And heneeds to show how things are67400:41:35,460 --> 00:41:39,120going. So what he does, he goesto, you know, these are67500:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,190legitimate firms, and you willspend 3000 euros to show that67600:41:44,190 --> 00:41:47,370you have X amount of people whoare listening. And if you sold67700:41:47,370 --> 00:41:49,680that you would have made thismuch money. I mean, the whole67800:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,130thing is circular. Now, itthere's a there is a fine line67900:41:53,130 --> 00:41:58,470between advertising yourstation, and getting people who68000:41:58,470 --> 00:42:01,290maybe have an incentive to clickon something or incentive to68100:42:01,290 --> 00:42:04,110download something other thanI'm interested in this68200:42:04,110 --> 00:42:10,200programming. That, to me isfraudulent. And it's everywhere.68300:42:10,200 --> 00:42:17,010But now it's falling apart. AndI think Spotify. Without68400:42:17,010 --> 00:42:22,500argument, there's a lot ofshenanigans with streaming68500:42:22,500 --> 00:42:26,430farms, you've seen him withpeople a whole wall full of cell68600:42:26,430 --> 00:42:29,970phones that are just streamingthe same song from different IP68700:42:29,970 --> 00:42:34,530addresses different useraccounts. So the music has68800:42:34,590 --> 00:42:41,820totally been skewed. And it'sfake. I would argue that many68900:42:41,820 --> 00:42:47,670firms like maybe I heart orpodcast, one, or maybe Spotify69000:42:47,670 --> 00:42:53,520themselves with some of theirexclusives are in fact, engaging69100:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,840in this practice as well. And soit's a house of cards, that once69200:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,890the cheap money dries up, whichis now happening is starting to69300:43:01,890 --> 00:43:02,550collapse.69400:43:03,540 --> 00:43:07,980Well, in the you know, it's it'sthe this goes back to the stock69500:43:07,980 --> 00:43:11,100market issue. I mean, likebecause the stock market just69600:43:11,100 --> 00:43:17,460responds to the, the financial,the economic climate of, of what69700:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,480is going on at the time, if youwant to if you want to find a69800:43:21,480 --> 00:43:27,030real a real devil here. Theproblem is the central bank, the69900:43:27,030 --> 00:43:29,880problem, the central bank's Theproblem is not the stock market,70000:43:29,970 --> 00:43:33,360when the central banks droprates to zero, you can't put70100:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,870your money in a savings accountand earning and, and have it70200:43:36,870 --> 00:43:41,730just sit there, you can't it'sit's fiduciary irresponsibility70300:43:41,730 --> 00:43:45,570to do that. So you have to youhave to do something with that70400:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,710money in the own. That's wherethe growth at all costs mindset70500:43:49,710 --> 00:43:53,880comes from? Because you have tohave an exit strategy. If within70600:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,420the absence of you know, in theabsence of 0% interest rates,70700:43:57,780 --> 00:44:02,430markets, markets work in arational way. So like that, you70800:44:02,430 --> 00:44:02,550know,70900:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,790if they're not phony, which youknow, there's some shenanigans71000:44:05,790 --> 00:44:06,390going on they're71100:44:06,540 --> 00:44:10,440building fraud is getting fraud,you know, pure fraud. Like the71200:44:11,430 --> 00:44:16,350the real problem is the youknow, is what was the greens,71300:44:16,380 --> 00:44:20,340the famous Greenspan perverted,perverse incentives, but a71400:44:20,970 --> 00:44:23,550irrational exuberance orwhatever, like, that's where all71500:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,000that stuff comes from. It comesfrom as a response to the71600:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,240central bank. So then now thecentral bank has turned the71700:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,590screws and companies don't knowwhat to do now because they they71800:44:34,590 --> 00:44:40,470still can't park their money in,in in liquid places, because71900:44:40,470 --> 00:44:43,830those interest rates still havenot risen. But the interest72000:44:43,830 --> 00:44:48,420rates to get the arbitrage onthe amount of free money from72100:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,960the banking system has has goneup. So you basically there's no72200:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,860money to be had, but you can'tput it anywhere safe, so they72300:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,740don't know what to do. All theyknow to do right now is just72400:44:58,740 --> 00:45:02,970trim the fat make cash flow ashigh as possible, which means72500:45:02,970 --> 00:45:06,060getting rid of their people, andjust hunker down and wait for72600:45:06,060 --> 00:45:12,930the next shoe to drop, like Evanreadin? What is that? The name72700:45:12,930 --> 00:45:16,020of the book is the technologicalsociety by Jacques Ellu. Have72800:45:16,020 --> 00:45:16,830you ever read the Yes, of72900:45:16,830 --> 00:45:19,860course, it's what you want toread right after you read73000:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,560industrial society and itsfuture.73100:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,370Because this, this book isdense. And how many pages is fed73200:45:29,370 --> 00:45:31,980maybe about 500 pages, I don'tknow if you know of top your73300:45:31,980 --> 00:45:37,530head, but it's dense. So I mean,it takes a little while to get73400:45:37,530 --> 00:45:42,180through. But it's kind ofblowing my mind over and over73500:45:42,180 --> 00:45:48,360again, he makes this it makesthis point about technology. So73600:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,720he calls individualtechnologies, he refers to them73700:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,550as technique. And so he givesthat he gives this example, he73800:45:56,550 --> 00:46:03,420says, he's making the point thattechnique in any particular line73900:46:03,450 --> 00:46:07,530of technique, any particulartechnological pursuit, a74000:46:07,530 --> 00:46:11,430technique, and that strain isgoing to go naturally from74100:46:11,850 --> 00:46:14,970through its most simpleincarnation through to more and74200:46:14,970 --> 00:46:19,890more complex. So he gives theexample of nuclear power. He's74300:46:19,890 --> 00:46:25,140like, you can't, he says, youknow, the atomic bomb, was a74400:46:25,140 --> 00:46:30,840necessary step on the road tosomething better, which would74500:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,110be, you know, power generationthrough nuclear power plants or74600:46:34,110 --> 00:46:40,140something like that. Because theatomic bomb blowing shit up is74700:46:40,140 --> 00:46:44,640the is the most simple use case,you break that you split the74800:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,200atom and stuff blows up. Sothat's like step one, you know,74900:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,140it's like, hello, world ofnuclear of nuclear, it's the75000:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,950hello world of nuclear energy isblow is blowing people up. So75100:46:55,950 --> 00:47:00,300you, you, you have to go throughthat step first, in order to get75200:47:00,300 --> 00:47:05,310to down there many years downthe road, you have, you know,75300:47:05,310 --> 00:47:07,380you have things like control,you know, nuclear power, which75400:47:07,380 --> 00:47:09,360is way more complicated, becausethen you're talking about75500:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,820perpetual containment of anuclear nuclear force. So he, so75600:47:14,820 --> 00:47:18,240he's making that exam, he's, andhe's also in the middle of that75700:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,510saying, well, but you have toremember, you know, technique75800:47:21,510 --> 00:47:25,500and technology is, is is amoral, it doesn't care about the75900:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,710morality of the thing it'sdoing, right, individual people76000:47:28,710 --> 00:47:31,830may care. But that's sort ofirrelevant, because the thing is76100:47:31,830 --> 00:47:34,740going to go on its own course.And I feel like this is the set,76200:47:34,740 --> 00:47:40,800you can make an analogy there.To, to what's going on in the76300:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,730advertising, in advertising. Andthe digital advertising in the76400:47:44,730 --> 00:47:48,870internet landscape as a whole,is, you had to go through that76500:47:48,870 --> 00:47:53,700first, the initial sort of raw,simplistic idea that we can put76600:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,120an ad on a website, somebodywill click on it, and then you76700:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,290get paid. That's sort of thesame. That's the Hello World of76800:48:01,290 --> 00:48:03,690Internet advertising. That's,you know, that's blowing shit76900:48:03,690 --> 00:48:11,520up. Well, Z, you know, peoplebegin, Apple. People, you start77000:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,730using VPNs, people are using adblockers, legislation starts get77100:48:14,730 --> 00:48:17,370pet, these things begin toevolve. Because people don't77200:48:17,370 --> 00:48:19,350want that in their life. Theydon't want tracking, they don't77300:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,520want given up all this stuff. Sothen these things have to evolve77400:48:24,180 --> 00:48:27,810to take account for Apple'sprivate relay. And these are the77500:48:27,810 --> 00:48:29,910things that are going to makeapp download tracking77600:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,210impossible. And attributionimpossible the rat race well,77700:48:33,390 --> 00:48:36,840well, you know, you have now youhave to evolve if you're the IB77800:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,120you have to evolve these thingsto take that out. And that's77900:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,930what me and Dan Benjamin triedto do by proposing, you know, a78000:48:42,930 --> 00:48:47,670very simple thing that doesn'trely on IP address tracking, to78100:48:47,670 --> 00:48:50,730get you know, to give them someideas on how to start that78200:48:50,730 --> 00:48:51,420discussion,78300:48:51,450 --> 00:48:56,250and they weren't getting out ifyou get up on my face you man.78400:48:58,050 --> 00:49:01,620But, but that's like, you know,but what they want they've78500:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,040they've learned to love thebomb. They just want the bomb.78600:49:05,430 --> 00:49:08,010They don't want they don't wantnuclear they don't want a78700:49:08,010 --> 00:49:10,620nuclear submarine they just wanttheir there's like why can't we78800:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,290just have wars warheads and blowshit up? Yeah, that's what they78900:49:13,290 --> 00:49:22,350want. Because it's simple. It'seasy. So they're, well, it's but79000:49:22,380 --> 00:49:25,860you can do this. This is aperfect time to drop the ISO.79100:49:25,860 --> 00:49:27,390This stuff is just supposed tobe fun.79200:49:27,419 --> 00:49:33,329This stuff's supposed to be fun.It's not fun. It's not fun. It's79300:49:33,329 --> 00:49:36,539a lot of people now. Of course,there's real money, people79400:49:36,539 --> 00:49:41,489making you know, and I listen toJoe Rogan on Spotify. I'm79500:49:41,489 --> 00:49:45,479getting maybe it's great. Imean, I'm getting local sunglass79600:49:45,539 --> 00:49:50,009company ads in Austin. I'mgetting a lot of vitamin add79700:49:50,009 --> 00:49:53,879supplement. And I don't know ifthough if that's the big big79800:49:53,879 --> 00:49:57,419money. I don't know if thosecompanies have big money. I79900:49:57,419 --> 00:50:04,379truly believe in local are localor is the community of interest80000:50:04,379 --> 00:50:09,179or community of geography basedmarketing, let's just call it80100:50:09,179 --> 00:50:16,499marketing. I, I 100%, believe inthe bridesmaids magazine, where80200:50:16,529 --> 00:50:23,249you make content, and you getwedding venues and DJs and bands80300:50:23,249 --> 00:50:26,849and whatever to advertisespecifically for that content,80400:50:26,849 --> 00:50:30,419no different thanFredericksburg, Texas has a80500:50:30,419 --> 00:50:33,449couple of magazines, one isprobably the winner over the80600:50:33,449 --> 00:50:38,819other. And you, you writearticles about people and about80700:50:38,819 --> 00:50:43,439businesses and the wineries andyou charge them for that. You80800:50:43,439 --> 00:50:47,009know, it's, it's the whole thingis marketing. Vogue magazine is80900:50:47,009 --> 00:50:50,909another outstanding example, youknow, you go there for the ads,81000:50:51,089 --> 00:50:54,989the ads are the content. So Ihave no problem with Bitcoin81100:50:54,989 --> 00:50:59,819podcasts having bitcoin wallet,stuff for whatever. But the81200:50:59,819 --> 00:51:08,639solution seems to besubscriptions. And that is so81300:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,109obviously limited. We're alreadyseeing it in streaming,81400:51:13,319 --> 00:51:16,799television, streaming moved tostreaming streaming movies, we81500:51:16,799 --> 00:51:21,629have Netflix competing withDisney complete competing with81600:51:21,749 --> 00:51:26,039Paramount competing with Hulu.And at a certain point, you just81700:51:26,039 --> 00:51:29,219can't have all thesesubscriptions. The same way at a81800:51:29,219 --> 00:51:32,549certain point, I just can't haveall my favorite podcasts81900:51:32,639 --> 00:51:37,379charging me $5 A month is justgoing to be too much. I love82000:51:37,829 --> 00:51:41,909that the obviously the value forvalue model, circumvents this to82100:51:41,909 --> 00:51:47,879a degree. But we're going to runinto same problem with with82200:51:47,939 --> 00:51:52,439podcasting on subscriptions. Andnow we see that people are kind82300:51:52,439 --> 00:51:55,859of realizing that, you know,Apple subscriptions really isn't82400:51:55,859 --> 00:51:58,979a podcast. You know, Joe Rogan,I love my brother Joe Rogan is82500:51:58,979 --> 00:52:04,409not a podcast. It's a it's aSpotify show. Yeah. On the82600:52:04,409 --> 00:52:08,789Spotify app, yeah. And I have topay to watch it and and what82700:52:08,789 --> 00:52:11,879Spotify is learning. And I thinkwhat they're all learning is82800:52:11,879 --> 00:52:14,969when something's exclusive, youbetter have people paying for82900:52:14,969 --> 00:52:19,679it. Because you really need thewhole universe of playback the83000:52:19,679 --> 00:52:24,179whole universe of apps or placesthat can ingest and, and83100:52:24,179 --> 00:52:28,469feedback and RSS feed. And it'sjust a business miscalculation,83200:52:28,469 --> 00:52:32,189Spotify his case, I believe itwas a 100% Hail Mary, what are83300:52:32,189 --> 00:52:35,609we going to do? The recordcompanies got us by the balls.83400:52:35,699 --> 00:52:39,089Hey, look at all this freecontent. Yeah, it will get Joe83500:52:39,089 --> 00:52:41,849and everyone who want to be onJoe's platform. That's pretty83600:52:41,849 --> 00:52:48,839much what they did. And sadly,for a decade, a lot of the83700:52:48,929 --> 00:52:53,219industry for became the podcastindustrial complex kowtow to83800:52:53,219 --> 00:52:57,089these companies. And it stillwell, you know, we've got to put83900:52:57,089 --> 00:52:59,969the listeners first, if you'relistening to me on Spotify. No,84000:52:59,969 --> 00:53:03,239I'm sorry. You can listen to mefor free over here. If you don't84100:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,659want to. Okay, you just thendon't it has not hurt me.84200:53:07,770 --> 00:53:10,830You know, think that I thinkpeople like Dawn Ostroff, you84300:53:10,830 --> 00:53:13,320know, they, they know thecontent and they brought in the84400:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,650content. But then you don't, butthen you have to do something84500:53:16,650 --> 00:53:21,360with it, then you have to turnit into money in this step84600:53:21,720 --> 00:53:22,560didn't happen.84700:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,370And the other thing is theObamas. You know, I would say84800:53:26,370 --> 00:53:29,970the Obamas left, because theywere exclusive. They didn't like84900:53:29,970 --> 00:53:32,190the they don't need money. Theygot more money than God85000:53:32,190 --> 00:53:35,910possibly. I know that's nottrue. But you know, as an85100:53:35,910 --> 00:53:39,840expression. And they, and theyweren't, they didn't like the85200:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,740fact that the only really had30% of the listening market. A85300:53:43,740 --> 00:53:46,470lot of their friends. Well, Iuse apples. I use Apple, how85400:53:46,470 --> 00:53:50,250come I can't get you on Apple,we gotta get Spotify. Spotify is85500:53:50,250 --> 00:53:52,350a pain in the ass. I don't likethe interface, whatever. It's85600:53:52,350 --> 00:53:56,940very personal. You know, alistening app for anything, any85700:53:56,940 --> 00:53:58,290app is personal.85800:53:59,670 --> 00:54:03,030You know, I'm starting to, I'mstarting to wonder. I'm starting85900:54:03,030 --> 00:54:07,560to wonder if Joe will leaveSpotify. I mean, he's kind of86000:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,240got them by the balls, if youthink about it. Well, I mean,86100:54:12,390 --> 00:54:17,520that means like, because whatthe next, the only other show86200:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,640that's, well, we don't know ifit's profitable or anything. I86300:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,070mean, the only other show that'sdoing anything is that color86400:54:23,070 --> 00:54:26,610daddy show. And who knows whatthose numbers are?86500:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,960I cannot speak. I don't knowJoe's a friend.86600:54:31,650 --> 00:54:35,940Yeah. Imagine I just think thatat some point. I mean, hey, he86700:54:35,940 --> 00:54:39,570may stay at Spotify as well. Imean, because if they lose Joe86800:54:39,570 --> 00:54:46,950Rogan you got a lot of peoplethat are going to leave just86900:54:46,950 --> 00:54:48,360won't renew their subscriptions.87000:54:48,390 --> 00:54:51,450Possibly. I really don't know. Ireally don't know. I mean, you87100:54:51,450 --> 00:54:54,900can still get Spotify with theads for basically free if I'm87200:54:54,900 --> 00:54:58,230not mistaken. So I'm not surethat's true. And I pay for87300:54:58,230 --> 00:55:01,230Spotify and I still get ads withJoe Rogan, which is a little87400:55:01,230 --> 00:55:04,830annoying, that's great. Yeah,every 10 minutes, you know, they87500:55:04,830 --> 00:55:07,320just break right in. It's notlike it's a we'll be right back87600:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,410or anything. It's just boom,there you go two ads in a block.87700:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,760I don't know what I, what I doknow, is that Joe was blanketing87800:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,490the market, delivering much morethan I think he's his licensed87900:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,500to them to make sure that hemaintains his position as the88000:55:28,500 --> 00:55:32,280great Americanconversationalist. So whatever88100:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,800he does, wherever he goes orstays, he will be the king of88200:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,250conversation. Ooh, the king ofconversation. You go, oh, there88300:55:41,250 --> 00:55:48,180you go. And he is, you know,unfortunately, it Whatever he88400:55:48,180 --> 00:55:52,200does, he'll have to, you know,they censored me. I said some88500:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,720stuff on there that during my,during my episode, that they had88600:55:57,720 --> 00:55:58,230to bleep88700:55:59,550 --> 00:56:01,350like, just language or,88800:56:01,769 --> 00:56:04,409oh, yeah, it was horriblelanguage. I was giving I was88900:56:04,409 --> 00:56:08,159using words as an example ofwords that are a problem. Okay.89000:56:08,189 --> 00:56:10,919And it was so hilarious that thewords that were a problem, I89100:56:10,919 --> 00:56:13,199could not discuss them as wordsthat are a problem because89200:56:13,199 --> 00:56:19,769they're a problem. And so Ilearned something else. So this89300:56:19,769 --> 00:56:21,779is right after the show, Joesays, Well, you know, that would89400:56:21,779 --> 00:56:26,069that words can be a problem forX, Y, or Z, like nah. And he89500:56:26,069 --> 00:56:30,539also honestly, he said, Let'snot have that be this the center89600:56:30,539 --> 00:56:34,319have our three and a half hourtalk. And I said, Oh, yeah, I'm89700:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,349with you. Just Jamie just bleepit out or whatever. Now89800:56:37,349 --> 00:56:42,509apparently, when they upload toSpotify, a transcript is made89900:56:42,509 --> 00:56:48,089right away. So yeah, I bet itis. Yeah. So whatever, for90000:56:48,089 --> 00:56:52,319whatever reason, they alsodecided to blur my actual mouth.90100:56:52,319 --> 00:56:54,959So you couldn't even read mylips. And I thought that was90200:56:54,959 --> 00:56:59,279hilarious. I love it. And wasexactly what we hoped would90300:56:59,279 --> 00:57:05,399happen. We were like, Why don'tyou stay? Bombing I'm talking90400:57:05,399 --> 00:57:08,489I'm doing all kinds of stuff.And then Oh, my Oh, well, they90500:57:08,519 --> 00:57:10,319they blinked in what were thosewords?90600:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,410Yeah. Now that not everybody hasto know what the words were.90700:57:13,410 --> 00:57:13,620Yeah,90800:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,160it became a I think it's a greatbit actually. was,90900:57:18,060 --> 00:57:22,110I think that did Spotify musthave a, like a network91000:57:22,110 --> 00:57:24,180operations center. You know,with all the big screens and91100:57:24,180 --> 00:57:27,480everything they have like a Jrock, like Joe Rogan operations91200:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,270centers. Like as soon as thatthing comes in, transcript boop,91300:57:30,270 --> 00:57:33,570boop, boop, yeah, video, blurthe mouth, move the Telestrator.91400:57:33,570 --> 00:57:34,200You know, they all91500:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,020they have to do is upload andthat's it. They don't and they91600:57:37,020 --> 00:57:41,160don't, I think is even verylittle interaction. It's funny,91700:57:41,340 --> 00:57:45,060but, but no matter what will bea double bleep. That was great.91800:57:45,690 --> 00:57:49,950But whatever Joe does, it'llwork for Joe. I don't think91900:57:49,950 --> 00:57:54,720there's any problem there.Anyway, it that doesn't really92000:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,650matter. What matters is I thinkwe're on the right track. And we92100:57:58,650 --> 00:58:01,650did the right thing. Now, theone more there's also I can't92200:58:01,650 --> 00:58:05,310get to the full story. But thereseems to be issues with Patreon92300:58:05,310 --> 00:58:05,700now.92400:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,110Yeah, what was a sourcesomething about how now I mean,92500:58:10,110 --> 00:58:11,730now I'm trying to remember whatit was,92600:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,320well, it would pod news had itand Okay, Patreon growth has92700:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,720ground to a halt. You don't saythe number of creators I got a92800:58:21,720 --> 00:58:27,270real problem with I we needed,how let's just say you know,92900:58:27,270 --> 00:58:30,780like create hatred. It used tobe patrons just come patrons and93000:58:31,350 --> 00:58:35,730patronize errs. In the, in theSIR on the site with one or more93100:58:35,730 --> 00:58:39,180patrons rose are they go lessthan 2% last year compared93200:58:39,180 --> 00:58:45,480compared to nearly 40% in 2020.Please note, that Patreon rose93300:58:45,600 --> 00:58:54,570raised over $100 million andthese are investors. And the93400:58:54,630 --> 00:58:59,310evaluation was $4 billionvaluation. So, you know, it's93500:58:59,310 --> 00:59:04,980all ending for them to and now,you know, the CEO is like, you93600:59:04,980 --> 00:59:11,370know, there's a rumor of sexualharassment and whatever else is93700:59:11,370 --> 00:59:14,010going on me I literally read thearticle stripe93800:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,150stripe with a P. They're alsolooking shaky. You know, there's93900:59:18,150 --> 00:59:22,770an article came out this thislast week, that was from the day94000:59:22,770 --> 00:59:25,380information that's talking aboutstripe, and evidently they're94100:59:25,380 --> 00:59:28,980having they're having somefinancial trouble, because94200:59:28,980 --> 00:59:33,870payment processors demand highfees. Yep. And they're just not94300:59:33,870 --> 00:59:37,260seeing they're not seeing enoughtraffic. It's a very, it's very94400:59:37,260 --> 00:59:40,260similar to the Spotify as you Imean, the whole the whole thing94500:59:40,260 --> 00:59:44,010is beginning to I don't want tosay implode, I think that's94600:59:44,010 --> 00:59:47,670sensationalist. But but it'sbeginning to retract to a94700:59:47,670 --> 00:59:53,670certain point where these thingslook, you know, as a as a94800:59:53,670 --> 00:59:56,400developer, you justautomatically think, Oh, if I94900:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,270need to take payments, Stripe,that's what I'm doing a Keep it95001:00:00,270 --> 01:00:03,660simple API has been around for awhile. They seem they're good.95101:00:03,660 --> 01:00:06,960They're stable. They seem tohave you know, no, there's no95201:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,300problem. I'm not going to wakeup tomorrow and Stripe will be95301:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,370gone. Well,95401:00:12,090 --> 01:00:14,370well may not be tomorrow.95501:00:14,940 --> 01:00:18,690But once you start readingstories like this, Patreon95601:00:18,690 --> 01:00:23,700stripe, these companies, yourstory start thinking, woman, but95701:00:23,790 --> 01:00:27,750maybe it's not as sure of athing as I thought it was. And95801:00:27,750 --> 01:00:30,480then it's like, well, then youneed a fallback. That's why I95901:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,160kind of lead out with that storyabout strike and clover and that96001:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,990kind of stuff. Because you're,you know, those those fall96101:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,980backs, those peer to peer directdecentralized payment fallbacks,96201:00:44,940 --> 01:00:51,660those could become crucial addto as crucial as an escape hatch96301:00:52,290 --> 01:00:57,210out of all of this system, notnot, not that you like they, you96401:00:57,210 --> 01:01:01,320know, to have a dual strategy isjust prudent. And we have, have96501:01:01,620 --> 01:01:05,190sure continue to sell your ads,if you can get them in your96601:01:05,190 --> 01:01:10,980show, if that's what you want.And then also be have a value96701:01:10,980 --> 01:01:15,060from a supported him, like, asfar as do value for value at the96801:01:15,060 --> 01:01:18,750same time. It doesn't have, itdoesn't have to be that you just96901:01:18,750 --> 01:01:22,920totally, you can only have onemodel or another we look at look97001:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,870at Kota radio and Jupiterbroadcasting, guys. I mean, they97101:01:24,870 --> 01:01:28,110have memberships, they do ads,and they do vary from, you know,97201:01:28,140 --> 01:01:30,330they're covered, man. And theygot they have lots of97301:01:30,330 --> 01:01:32,820strategies, lots of fallbackoptions in case one of those97401:01:32,820 --> 01:01:35,700things goes belly up. It's justa good idea. I mean, you don't97501:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,580put your eggs all in one basket,just because, you know, you can97601:01:38,580 --> 01:01:42,540see that when the economy beginsto turn sour like it has in a97701:01:42,540 --> 01:01:46,290weird way, by the way. I mean,this is a slow motion meltdown97801:01:46,290 --> 01:01:47,250that's unlike anything97901:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,160for people who have no ideawhat's coming. They have no idea98001:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,060what's happening here.98101:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,230And I think the critical part ofthat, is that even the people in98201:01:55,230 --> 01:01:55,830charge who98301:01:55,860 --> 01:02:01,920have no idea, I have no idea. Soimagine my delight, when we have98401:02:04,140 --> 01:02:14,610old time old school elder of thepodcasting, business, Todd, take98501:02:14,610 --> 01:02:18,960blueberry 100% value for valuefor every single one of their98601:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,220clients, their customers, and goout and promote it like like a98701:02:23,220 --> 01:02:29,940crazy man. I know Todd wasaround way back in the day. And98801:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,420he was an interesting kind ofguy, you know, and you basically98901:02:33,420 --> 01:02:37,830had Libsyn that I don't rememberwhy but for some reason, Lipson99001:02:37,830 --> 01:02:42,810and I never got along. I don'tknow what the rub was. Maybe I99101:02:42,810 --> 01:02:46,140was just a dick as totallypossible. I don't know. But I99201:02:46,140 --> 01:02:48,180get that feeling with a lot ofpeople that I think there's99301:02:48,180 --> 01:02:51,090there's always been this sortof, you've got you've got people99401:02:51,090 --> 01:02:54,600who love Lipson or hate them,there's no in between, well, I99501:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,780don't hate anybody, but I couldnever I could never get along.99601:02:57,780 --> 01:03:00,870And I think they're a littlebrash, like, this is the way to99701:03:00,870 --> 01:03:03,300go. We're doing what you needus. You know, maybe it was that99801:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,500or I felt that it may not betrue. And Todd was always kind99901:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,460of blueberry. Raw voiceinitially, I think was a raw100001:03:11,460 --> 01:03:15,000voice and then blueberry I don'tremember was, you know, like,100101:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,950kind of a scrappy little, littlecompany has just, you know,100201:03:19,950 --> 01:03:24,030huffing and puffing and am doingstuff and but very committed and100301:03:24,030 --> 01:03:28,200very dedicated and, and also apodcaster it's really important.100401:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,120know, when you're running, youknow, don don OS, what was the100501:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,110name? Mr. Ostroff? Where's herpodcast? What does she know100601:03:37,110 --> 01:03:40,290about podcasting? Where's yourpodcast lady? Yeah, you know,100701:03:40,290 --> 01:03:47,610I'm saying, you hear me now. So,that kind of stuff is like hmm,100801:03:47,940 --> 01:03:52,920and I mean, that for somereason, this is a tipping point100901:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,780for me. I'm not I can't explainexactly why. I think Albie is a101001:03:57,780 --> 01:04:03,720very important player. Now, I dowant to say and I love the lb101101:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,000guys, but you know, we also haveto provide off ramps for people101201:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,090who want to be decentralizedbecause you know, now there's101301:04:12,090 --> 01:04:15,990three maybe four differenthosting companies all relying on101401:04:15,990 --> 01:04:21,300Alby right and that's great. Iuse it for the statistics and I101501:04:21,750 --> 01:04:26,820to me it's a service I lovehaving get Alby get I'll be101601:04:26,820 --> 01:04:31,890address and I send 1% to themfrom all of my shows that I'm101701:04:31,890 --> 01:04:36,480that I have control over so thatI can get the contracts and the101801:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,550and the Saturn statistics, whichis great. And it's value for101901:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,870value right there out of thebox. I don't rely 100% on an102001:04:45,870 --> 01:04:53,340Aldi for you to put all mymoney. Yeah, i i What a great102101:04:53,340 --> 01:04:58,170benefit is receiving 1% fromdifferent shows and then102201:04:58,170 --> 01:05:02,040connecting the pod verse app toit. So I know I'm never going to102301:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,090run out of SATs.102401:05:03,450 --> 01:05:05,520Now we need to, we need Bre weneed.102501:05:07,109 --> 01:05:08,759We need the greenlight stuff tocome in.102601:05:09,569 --> 01:05:14,099Yeah, as a second one, becauseyou'd love to see at least two102701:05:14,279 --> 01:05:19,529to LSPs in the space rock andhave that distribution and not102801:05:19,529 --> 01:05:21,269be all rely on one person. I'mnot102901:05:21,270 --> 01:05:25,200sure we can call our be an LSP,per se.103001:05:26,070 --> 01:05:28,770Yeah, I just don't know whatelse to call them. Yeah, and I103101:05:28,770 --> 01:05:29,160hear you.103201:05:29,190 --> 01:05:33,420And again, I love them. This isnot a slam against Albie at all103301:05:33,420 --> 01:05:35,940or anybody, everyone who'sparticipating, I love you.103401:05:36,449 --> 01:05:38,819And I think that they would be Ithink they would be, you know,103501:05:38,849 --> 01:05:41,879conscious enough to say thatthat's probably a good idea to I103601:05:41,879 --> 01:05:42,419mean, like,103701:05:42,839 --> 01:05:47,069or at least be able to, youknow, to do? Well, in essence,103801:05:47,339 --> 01:05:51,359you can't, I was just thinkingabout this today, because my, my103901:05:51,359 --> 01:05:55,829own role, which runs on thatstupid laptop, was down for a104001:05:55,829 --> 01:05:59,219couple hours. And I don't knowexactly what was going on. But104101:05:59,219 --> 01:06:01,679it took me it took me a bit toget it up. So maybe it was104201:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,559offline for 10 hours, I mighthave lost a boost, which would104301:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,669be a boost for the heli pad thatI read people's boosts on here.104401:06:09,359 --> 01:06:13,079That, you know, I really need toput that on on a better machine.104501:06:13,409 --> 01:06:17,969And you know, what my choicesare? I change value blocks104601:06:17,969 --> 01:06:24,179everywhere I can in the splitsor I set up a new machine and104701:06:24,179 --> 01:06:27,479then I have to restore the Iguess I have to get my lightning104801:06:27,479 --> 01:06:31,379channels and my lightning nodeand and bring that as a backup.104901:06:31,919 --> 01:06:36,749I mean, it's not a it's not asimple solution. Right? Whereas105001:06:36,749 --> 01:06:39,239I believe the green lightsolution would breezes working105101:06:39,239 --> 01:06:44,369on is explicitly you can you cantake that away from their105201:06:44,369 --> 01:06:47,399infrastructure and just use ityourself without their back end105301:06:47,399 --> 01:06:49,739or, or cloud watchtower,whatever it is. I'm105401:06:49,739 --> 01:06:57,269paraphrasing. We need to have Iforgotten his name. Roy. He105501:06:57,269 --> 01:07:00,089hasn't talked to me anymore. Weneed to have Roy on to explain105601:07:00,089 --> 01:07:02,879what he's ready when he's ready.And we'll have the blueberry105701:07:02,879 --> 01:07:05,159guys on you know, next week.105801:07:06,780 --> 01:07:10,620Let's see. Yes, blueberry andblue group. It goes on next105901:07:10,620 --> 01:07:14,820week, and then I'm working ongetting another guest for the106001:07:14,820 --> 01:07:19,740week, the two weeks and that Icannot reveal.106101:07:19,980 --> 01:07:23,400That's okay. That's alright.Congratulations, a podcast106201:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,930addict. I've been talking aboutthem on. So now I'm able to say106301:07:27,930 --> 01:07:31,500hey, pod verse, podcast addict,curio caster, they've got lit.106401:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,840And is that still in beta andpuking?106501:07:33,870 --> 01:07:37,410I don't know if I'm saying like,it may still be in beta. But I'm106601:07:37,410 --> 01:07:39,900getting people saying it works.It's great. I got a I got a106701:07:39,900 --> 01:07:44,400notification. I'm tuning intothe show. So I'm very, I mean,106801:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,730that's moving forward. We gotthree. Now curio caster, I have106901:07:47,730 --> 01:07:51,330a feeling Steven B is maybelearning how to do a proper app.107001:07:51,330 --> 01:07:55,410But he also seems to be workingon the music side. And that is107101:07:55,410 --> 01:08:00,090probably a topic we shoulddiscuss as well. Yes. No. So now107201:08:00,090 --> 01:08:06,360we have wave lake. And but wedon't do we have any wave Lake107301:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,770feed in the index?107401:08:08,790 --> 01:08:13,140Yes, I think there is one or twonow. They've just kind of107501:08:13,140 --> 01:08:14,910started to trickle in a littlebit.107601:08:15,060 --> 01:08:19,320Because we're in this I saw athread. I was Stephen B. And107701:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,860we're in this horrible chickenand egg thing. All of a sudden,107801:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,210were wave lake as well untilthere's an app that you know,107901:08:27,210 --> 01:08:30,240that really presents musicproperly. We don't really want108001:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,590to do that. It's like what isthe whole point is you need to108101:08:34,590 --> 01:08:38,610create the content. Hey, there'sa lot of stuff. They all are the108201:08:38,610 --> 01:08:40,530content. Yeah, you're thecontent if you're not going to108301:08:40,530 --> 01:08:43,800put it out there. And so I'mjust thinking, please consider108401:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,970what you're doing. The don'tbecome a Spotify.108501:08:48,750 --> 01:08:51,570Yeah, I don't think do you justI don't I've got a yeah, I've108601:08:51,570 --> 01:08:55,560gotten an email thread goingwith with Michael over there.108701:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,850And we're going to we're goingto have like a call and just108801:08:59,850 --> 01:09:03,600kind of hammer out just so wemake sure that he you know, like108901:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,690I think he just wants tounderstand what's going on109001:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,050what's going on. Let me becauseI think he's just been observing109101:09:10,050 --> 01:09:14,190this from you know, from theedges. He's trying to do this109201:09:14,190 --> 01:09:18,450correctly in a think you know,according to spec and109301:09:18,450 --> 01:09:20,220everything. So I think we'rejust going to try to put our109401:09:20,220 --> 01:09:22,080heads together and make surethat we're I love this.109501:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,430This is why there's two of us.So I get all heated and like109601:09:26,430 --> 01:09:28,680wow, what's going on and thenyou're like, hey, we're just109701:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,740gonna have a little chat. So atall that's not109801:09:33,090 --> 01:09:34,140getting the email. I know109901:09:34,140 --> 01:09:38,970your your emails do sound thatlike that. They really do. I'm110001:09:38,970 --> 01:09:39,750not kidding.110101:09:40,050 --> 01:09:42,510Gonna have a little chat like,oh, I don't want110201:09:45,480 --> 01:09:48,030an update like hey, it's justhaving a little chat.110301:09:51,210 --> 01:09:53,730Yeah, exactly. I bet taking mylittle my little110401:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,940you know, and hunker maybe,maybe it won't work at all. I110501:09:56,940 --> 01:09:59,610don't know. I did have arevelation. Someone pointed110601:09:59,610 --> 01:10:02,400something out. up to me,because, you know, I'm still110701:10:02,400 --> 01:10:08,040doing my cross app commentsthrough the social interact tag110801:10:08,670 --> 01:10:11,610for no agenda, which of course,the big one. And so what I was110901:10:11,610 --> 01:10:19,200always doing is after I publisheverything, and I created a post111001:10:19,890 --> 01:10:25,350for people to, you know, a routepost, or no agenda social.com111101:10:25,770 --> 01:10:29,580And someone said, hey, you know,that's really interesting. Why111201:10:29,580 --> 01:10:32,670don't you Why do you use yousend out cuz I always through111301:10:32,670 --> 01:10:39,210the Freedom controller, I sendout a tweet and a toot. Am in111401:10:39,210 --> 01:10:42,510the reason, okay, send out atweet, it's after I've done111501:10:42,540 --> 01:10:45,270after I've filled out everythingI've published through sovereign111601:10:45,270 --> 01:10:48,510feeds, everything's out. And asyou know, I was always want the111701:10:48,510 --> 01:10:51,180RSS people to get to get itfirst, then I'll tweet and111801:10:51,180 --> 01:10:54,300shoot. And someone said, Hey, Ireally liked this, you have this111901:10:54,300 --> 01:10:56,790common thread that you'restarting, but why isn't it the112001:10:56,790 --> 01:11:01,290actual tooth that you said whenthe show was, is published? Like112101:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,370that's a very interestingquestion. And I'm even112201:11:05,370 --> 01:11:11,370considering doing you know, whenwhen we go lit, to make that112301:11:11,430 --> 01:11:16,350look just like you do to makethat the the actual comments112401:11:16,350 --> 01:11:19,710read so it can be probably caneven be I'm not quite sure if112501:11:19,710 --> 01:11:23,280that would work. I don't know.But somehow it made sense to not112601:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,480have that all separated and, andthat came organically. And so I112701:11:27,480 --> 01:11:30,120have a little glimmer of hope, alittle glimmer of hope.112801:11:31,410 --> 01:11:33,750Let me boost your glimmer ofhope by saying that I begin112901:11:34,650 --> 01:11:38,520created created the project forthe community the boost activity113001:11:38,520 --> 01:11:46,320pub, yeah. Bridge. Started Ellisnight, crank that up. And from113101:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,150your sick bed, I might add itfrom es muy Thetis drips of113201:11:51,150 --> 01:11:55,350sweat, feverish, forehead,dripping on the keyboard. And113301:11:55,350 --> 01:12:00,600realizing that Apple silicone isstill a completely horrible113401:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,770product product for trying to doany sort of compiled software113501:12:04,770 --> 01:12:09,960outside of Swift and expo reallyso promptly switched to a real113601:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,650computer and started andfinished, you know, finish113701:12:13,650 --> 01:12:16,710setting everything out there.But we're so it feels good to113801:12:16,710 --> 01:12:19,650get back into some rust code.And this this will be good. I113901:12:19,650 --> 01:12:21,330think so what it'll114001:12:24,030 --> 01:12:26,550be amount of times I've said hi.Feels really good to get in some114101:12:26,550 --> 01:12:29,430rust code again, I'm justfeeling dynamite about myself.114201:12:29,700 --> 01:12:30,030Yeah,114301:12:30,540 --> 01:12:33,420you DM me that morning.114401:12:34,650 --> 01:12:36,060Feels good about the rust.114501:12:36,450 --> 01:12:40,830The so it'll just you know it'llwatch and watch for boosts114601:12:40,830 --> 01:12:43,950coming in match up the episode.I'm hoping it'll just be a very114701:12:43,950 --> 01:12:48,480simplistic thing. Match up theepisode that you give it a114801:12:48,900 --> 01:12:55,860mastodon you know, API to talkto and sort of match up the114901:12:55,860 --> 01:13:00,780episode go pull the socialinteract tag URL out of there115001:13:01,290 --> 01:13:06,000for that episode for thatpodcast. And then, you know,115101:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,170it's polling. His polling l&d Toget your to get your to get115201:13:13,170 --> 01:13:16,470those histograms pulls out, youknow, pulls out the episode ID115301:13:16,470 --> 01:13:18,300and all that kind of stuff justmatches everything out to find115401:13:18,300 --> 01:13:20,520the social and online interacttag, and then just cross posted115501:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,200over to as a reply to that. Ithink it makes I mean, sounds,115601:13:25,290 --> 01:13:27,480I love it. I love it forward. Ilove it.115701:13:27,510 --> 01:13:30,240It's something you can just runas a daemon, you know, on a115801:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,870server somewhere. Because Ithink that would be good for115901:13:33,870 --> 01:13:37,740like, hosts that haveintegrations that they want to116001:13:37,740 --> 01:13:41,970do and that kind of thing. Justanybody really. It's sort of116101:13:41,970 --> 01:13:46,260agnostic, you just give it yourlnd node. And then you give it116201:13:46,560 --> 01:13:52,470the your activity or MastodonURL, Mastodon API credentials,116301:13:53,100 --> 01:13:54,690and just let it do its job.116401:13:57,090 --> 01:14:03,300I'm looking for the where'sthat? Where's the stats page? We116501:14:03,300 --> 01:14:05,850should probably look at this notthis has launched a stats page116601:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,420that for what for a blog putstogether which is the there was116701:14:09,420 --> 01:14:17,550like the December three. Youknow, Where has our stats for116801:14:18,480 --> 01:14:22,050which are better than what's onthe website? How many value for116901:14:22,050 --> 01:14:26,040value podcasts? You know, howmany transcript being used?117001:14:26,040 --> 01:14:26,520Where's that?117101:14:26,550 --> 01:14:29,970Oh, I've got I've got the rightlet me give it to the signal.117201:14:30,060 --> 01:14:34,440Thank you. I thought I've savedthat someone bookmark. Okay,117301:14:34,860 --> 01:14:40,110okay, let me see. Here we go.Oh, this is your version. Okay.117401:14:40,500 --> 01:14:45,390Yeah, so we have Where's valuefor value needs value117501:14:45,390 --> 01:14:49,320blocks about seven from thebottom eight, maybe 11 tiles.117601:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,970410. Okay.117701:14:52,890 --> 01:14:56,730That's up a bit. I don't I don'tknow how much up it is from the117801:14:56,730 --> 01:14:57,750last time I checked.117901:14:58,530 --> 01:15:01,620Yeah, I don't know why the sitedoesn't match. knew. I mean118001:15:01,620 --> 01:15:05,070Newsflash, I don't know why ourwebsite does half the stuff it118101:15:05,070 --> 01:15:10,950does. Because I didn't build anynewsflash sort of a bizarre,118201:15:10,950 --> 01:15:14,100it's no thing that I've neverhad to deal with before. Yeah,118301:15:14,130 --> 01:15:17,310where I'm where I'm responsiblefor running something that I118401:15:17,310 --> 01:15:19,800haven't did that don't know evenwhat it does.118501:15:20,490 --> 01:15:25,800The value of the podcastindex.org shows 11,083 So that's118601:15:26,220 --> 01:15:27,780off by a couple 100118701:15:28,469 --> 01:15:35,219Yeah. Why did why? I don't know.Oh, whatever. I mean, like, so118801:15:35,249 --> 01:15:40,169the, the episodes with. Sohere's the deal with feeds with118901:15:40,169 --> 01:15:48,119music. Medium. There's thisdeal. This shows 44,510. And so,119001:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,899Steven D was like, you know, alot of those things. I'm saying,119101:15:51,899 --> 01:15:52,889you know, a lot, by the way,119201:15:53,730 --> 01:15:54,780you're not feeling well.119301:15:55,320 --> 01:16:03,960I'm not. Feeds was medium musicencompasses what's actually in119401:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,730the feed. And what Alex and Ihave been compiling, based on119501:16:09,210 --> 01:16:12,780machine learning algorithm thatwe're running on. On the Steven119601:16:12,780 --> 01:16:20,850didn't seem too happy with thatStephen was mad at me. So, you119701:16:20,850 --> 01:16:24,330know, and I, I understand his Iunderstand his frustration it119801:16:24,330 --> 01:16:32,220was it was well explained andlegitimate. And I think there119901:16:32,220 --> 01:16:37,200should probably be some sort offlag or something on that120001:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,380endpoint where you can say,Okay, show me everything, or120101:16:40,380 --> 01:16:46,230just show me organic. Whenthat'd be a good solution. Yeah,120201:16:46,590 --> 01:16:49,170I mean, do you got to askStephen B. I mean, I'm all for120301:16:49,170 --> 01:16:49,350it.120401:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,530Well, he said he's furious. Butanyways, he hates me with120501:16:52,530 --> 01:17:01,110sickness. I'm sorry, I'm atfault for my own illness. I120601:17:01,110 --> 01:17:04,830mean, I was just thinking, youknow, because we're probably I120701:17:04,830 --> 01:17:09,660see value. I see clearly, I seevalue in being able to some sort120801:17:09,660 --> 01:17:13,290of running some sort of machinelanguage model to find things120901:17:13,290 --> 01:17:16,560that are going on in the audio,because there's just going to be121001:17:16,590 --> 01:17:20,010tons of music out there thatdoesn't. That's not going to get121101:17:20,010 --> 01:17:24,390tagged. But then again, I mean,like, if you're, you know, he121201:17:24,390 --> 01:17:26,490had good points. He's like, hey,early adopters, you know, you're121301:17:26,490 --> 01:17:28,050you're just burying the people121401:17:28,410 --> 01:17:32,130that are actually that actually.Give it a try. That's for sure.121501:17:32,340 --> 01:17:32,970Yeah.121601:17:33,690 --> 01:17:39,000It makes sense. Yeah. I feel youhave a door. Yes. I think that's121701:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,980an easy thing to do. was Steven,does that work for you? Tell me121801:17:43,980 --> 01:17:46,440if it does. If it doesn't, we'llwe'll figure something else out.121901:17:49,500 --> 01:17:53,190All right. What else do you haveon your list? Because we've just122001:17:53,190 --> 01:17:55,200been yapping and yapping andyapping.122101:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,300Oh, yeah, we had been going fora while. I'm let me I got other122201:18:00,300 --> 01:18:00,780stuff.122301:18:02,610 --> 01:18:05,220You're going off mic? Yo, yo122401:18:05,220 --> 01:18:10,590had to reach down and get mypad. Has Nate Oh, yeah. The122501:18:10,590 --> 01:18:15,780namespace phase six. Starting toget back into that a little bit.122601:18:16,020 --> 01:18:18,270But I think we need to startlooking at it. Yeah.122701:18:19,350 --> 01:18:20,340In quite a while.122801:18:20,999 --> 01:18:24,209Yes, I'm thinking remote itemand clearly is122901:18:24,959 --> 01:18:27,749remote item something thatshould wait until we have some123001:18:27,749 --> 01:18:31,049music in there. Because it'sreally for playlists, and I123101:18:31,049 --> 01:18:34,709don't see how it's going to beused that much before then.123201:18:36,359 --> 01:18:37,199Maybe it's just me.123301:18:38,190 --> 01:18:43,320No, I think I mean, I think itcan be used for I think can be123401:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,500can be used for lots of things.I mean, playlist of videos too.123501:18:46,500 --> 01:18:51,390And there's 7251 feeds in therewith video. And those are123601:18:51,390 --> 01:18:55,500organic. Those are organic. Thenone of those have been123701:18:55,530 --> 01:18:57,030modelled.123801:18:57,060 --> 01:19:00,630I also have no way to find themin any app as far as I know.123901:19:01,350 --> 01:19:03,270Yeah. But yeah, it's124001:19:03,300 --> 01:19:07,350there was a is there an endpointwhere I can say show video only?124101:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,300Or main idea. Okay.124201:19:09,870 --> 01:19:12,330I'm still I'm still trying towork out this stuff with videos.124301:19:12,570 --> 01:19:15,030Some of these endpoints getfunky. That's it. So that's124401:19:15,030 --> 01:19:19,950another topic there. He does,like live, my first thought was,124501:19:19,950 --> 01:19:24,270Okay, put live. We're gonna I'mgoing to modify the endpoint for124601:19:24,270 --> 01:19:29,370episodes by feed ID and make itreturned both regular podcast124701:19:29,370 --> 01:19:34,020items and live items. That way,it's one call for the for the124801:19:34,020 --> 01:19:38,220app and they get both if theywant it, right. That still feels124901:19:38,220 --> 01:19:42,900okay. I mean, it's it feelsalright. But then I start125001:19:42,900 --> 01:19:45,150thinking, you know, maybe, maybethat just needs to be a125101:19:45,150 --> 01:19:49,860different thing altogether.Maybe instead of episodes by125201:19:49,860 --> 01:19:54,720feed ID. Maybe it needs to belive by feed ID. I'm just trying125301:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,360to figure out for efficiencysake.125401:19:58,020 --> 01:20:01,920I think you know how to do apoll mastered on pole. A pole.125501:20:02,070 --> 01:20:06,930Yes, seems to be a great way todetermine what we want to do.125601:20:07,350 --> 01:20:13,680Yeah, yes. Yeah, I'll just pullan Elan and say, Should I shut125701:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,720down the API today? And youknow, yes or no, exactly. No, I125801:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,290think. I don't know. I don'tthink there's any right answers125901:20:22,290 --> 01:20:26,580for this. Because for the end,for one thing, it makes people126001:20:26,580 --> 01:20:31,260coming in and grabbing stuff outof the, out of that endpoint for126101:20:31,260 --> 01:20:35,370the feet podcast, or excuse mefor episodes by feed ID. It126201:20:35,370 --> 01:20:39,270gives them back alive items. Itgives them live out his back,126301:20:39,270 --> 01:20:42,690and they're like, Oh, what'sthis? You know, which is what I126401:20:42,690 --> 01:20:44,760would say to myself, if I gotthat back. I would, as a126501:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,810developer, I would say, Oh,what's this? Right? It's, I was126601:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,540expecting episodes. And now Ihave this thing called Live126701:20:51,540 --> 01:20:55,530episodes in here. Which is cool.So maybe I should put that in my126801:20:55,530 --> 01:20:55,980app.126901:20:56,190 --> 01:21:01,890Okay. It's so rich, it's such arich API you've built our day,127001:21:02,850 --> 01:21:06,060you're really gonna be reallyproud of what you've built here.127101:21:07,650 --> 01:21:10,650I'm trying to keep it frombecoming an unwieldy monster.127201:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,470That's what's really going onhere. I want you have to127301:21:13,470 --> 01:21:17,040maintain some structure andsomething that makes sense127401:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,390otherwise you just end up with abig mess. And so I'm trying to127501:21:21,390 --> 01:21:24,570keep as we add more and morethings, I don't want it to just127601:21:24,570 --> 01:21:26,520become a like bowl of noodles.You know,127701:21:27,330 --> 01:21:30,720there's the title Thank you tookme a while but bowl of noodles127801:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,900that's you know, that's that'salways the that's always the127901:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,630fear there. Because you starteverybody's every web developer128001:21:39,630 --> 01:21:42,870knows this. You start out withyour like, your you create your128101:21:42,870 --> 01:21:47,790new project, you add your CSS,your stylesheet and then you're128201:21:47,790 --> 01:21:51,780like, Man, this time thisproject I'm going to keep128301:21:51,780 --> 01:21:52,410everything128401:21:53,070 --> 01:21:56,850is coming so beautifully. Yeah,it's gonna be fine. No worries,128501:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,980we got got recovered in three128601:21:58,980 --> 01:22:01,500months into it, you can't findanything in that thing. And it's128701:22:01,500 --> 01:22:04,200a complete mess and you're readyto burn it to the ground.128801:22:04,950 --> 01:22:07,140I have that all the time with myrush projects128901:22:07,650 --> 01:22:09,840that you did. Very easy to do.129001:22:12,210 --> 01:22:15,450So we thank a couple people.This does take more than a129101:22:15,450 --> 01:22:18,000couple of listening. Yeah, we dohave quite a few. Quite a few to129201:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,340thank, I believe Let me see.1000 staffs and above for the129301:22:23,370 --> 01:22:29,550for the for the lit booths thathave been coming in metus 9999129401:22:29,580 --> 01:22:34,860And he says streamer streamingof course he would either nine129501:22:34,860 --> 01:22:39,120or nine and that's right 7777From tone wrecker. Like that I129601:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,400late to the live stream todaybut it wasn't active week with129701:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,830Wave Lake launching many newfeatures appeared in carrying129801:22:43,830 --> 01:22:46,830the music tag which can beobserved and compare options and129901:22:46,830 --> 01:22:49,890functionality. appreciateeveryone working on this. Well,130001:22:49,890 --> 01:22:50,640what are those?130101:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,550They're in the they're in thethey're in the live the the130201:22:56,550 --> 01:23:00,990endpoint return, but they're allburied in Stevens Point there.130301:23:01,350 --> 01:23:01,470You130401:23:02,219 --> 01:23:08,609got it. Okay. Chad F 3333. ToddCochran needs some live booths130501:23:08,609 --> 01:23:11,969for a live demo he's doing checkhis latest toot and that's on130601:23:11,969 --> 01:23:16,349podcast index dot social that'svery cool man. Chimp comes in130701:23:16,349 --> 01:23:25,619with 22,126 Real men boost lipssays chamber knowing got 69,420130801:23:25,649 --> 01:23:29,399No code there. Eastside Tony. Inthe morning, gentlemen, thank130901:23:29,399 --> 01:23:32,249you, Adam and Dave for all thehard work you do for the P 2.0.131001:23:32,249 --> 01:23:34,739Community also shout out to allthe trolls in the audience.131101:23:34,739 --> 01:23:40,679Follow me on defend the networklit DTN lit on no agenda tube to131201:23:40,709 --> 01:23:46,079keep up with Oh yes. Wow. Youcould you could do that away131301:23:46,079 --> 01:23:49,949from the mic. I mean, itliterally got wet when you do131401:23:49,949 --> 01:23:50,249that.131501:23:52,530 --> 01:23:54,960away from the mic. I just got aman sighs nose.131601:23:57,210 --> 01:24:02,790Thank you. E sigh Tony 33,333from Eric peepee health karma131701:24:02,790 --> 01:24:06,870for Dave ah, you know what Ishould I do? I have karma here.131801:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,410I have some karma. Yeah, I gotsome health karma.131901:24:10,800 --> 01:24:17,040Of course at right now. You'vegot karma. Legends, fuzzy,132001:24:18,060 --> 01:24:21,720hard hat one on one on one.Technical difficulties, please132101:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,900boost boost. Hey, we had alittle problem earlier on. And132201:24:24,900 --> 01:24:30,240there's Todd Cochran with 50,000SATs. He says presenting 2.0 to132301:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,290over 500 podcasters at pod festeducation is key of 500 in the132401:24:34,290 --> 01:24:38,160audience, only five knew aboutpodcasting. 2.0 We need to132501:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,670spread the word boost boost andyou're doing just that Todd132601:24:41,700 --> 01:24:47,670Thank you, brother. Good, goodjob. There 6969 from our132701:24:47,700 --> 01:24:54,540contracts as 5000 from chaos 99another great episode I love132801:24:54,540 --> 01:24:58,230when a plan comes together saidevery podcasting 2.0 app ever.132901:24:58,620 --> 01:25:05,640Yep. Then We have Lyceum 221,905satoshi133001:25:07,830 --> 01:25:10,44020 is Blaze only Impala133101:25:10,440 --> 01:25:14,280from the booster gram numerologypage rands day boost of two to133201:25:14,280 --> 01:25:19,1401905 Satoshis I in randsbirthday, February 2 1905. Best133301:25:19,140 --> 01:25:23,010premises. This is of course,Martin Linda's koge Lyceum on133401:25:23,010 --> 01:25:26,430podcast index dot social. Thankyou, brother. Very nice. Thank133501:25:26,430 --> 01:25:31,920you very much, Martin. RastaCalavera 4343 on the 43rd day133601:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,430there was much rejoicing. Whatam I missing there? What am I133701:25:35,430 --> 01:25:36,060missing there?133801:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,640I don't know. I don't know,either.133901:25:39,870 --> 01:25:44,730You see, and I think that waswhat we got for the live booths134001:25:44,730 --> 01:25:47,520yet. At least that's what Ihave. If I miss you. I'm sorry.134101:25:47,520 --> 01:25:52,170We'll though there's one morethat just came in 25,000 from134201:25:52,230 --> 01:25:57,660bore log. b o r e l o g, the twoof you are gifted the industry.134301:25:57,690 --> 01:25:58,920I appreciate all of your work.134401:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,630I don't know about that.134501:26:02,130 --> 01:26:03,990Industry may disagree, but134601:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,180they have a different opinion.134701:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,770What do we have? That came inpreviously? Dave?134801:26:11,340 --> 01:26:18,060We have. We have three top notchspecial pay bills right now. We134901:26:18,060 --> 01:26:21,030have a Marco with $500.135001:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,620He's got at bolo.135101:26:23,010 --> 01:26:27,510Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paulaactually forgot135201:26:27,510 --> 01:26:31,650to thank him on a chat F pointedout to me and thanking everyone135301:26:31,650 --> 01:26:34,890who was who has supported us ina big way the hosting companies135401:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,720and omitted Marco apologies forthat. Because it's very much135501:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,740appreciated this every month,right? Every month is every135601:26:43,740 --> 01:26:47,820month, $6,000 a year. And thinkabout that.135701:26:49,110 --> 01:26:56,730And I'll just instil no not evena 2.0 Not any 2.0 support yet in135801:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,590in overcast and see still I meanhe's supporting us just based on135901:27:01,590 --> 01:27:05,460the Bino the principle of thething the ideology that that136001:27:05,460 --> 01:27:09,270means a lot I mean like he's noteven really he's basically136101:27:09,270 --> 01:27:12,510supporting the idea in the inthe principles and the platform.136201:27:13,110 --> 01:27:17,820And you know with what you know,one day he'll he'll do live and136301:27:17,820 --> 01:27:21,210these other things I'm sure butthe main it's nice to see that136401:27:21,210 --> 01:27:23,280it's like somebody's like yes,I'll just support you and136501:27:23,610 --> 01:27:25,920support you in principle even ifI'm not there yet.136601:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,280And I fully appreciate I lovethat you said ideology because136701:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,760I'm sure we have differentideology in general maybe136801:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,330political thinking or orwhatever and that that is136901:27:36,330 --> 01:27:39,060enhanced across the borderbrother that is so cool.137001:27:39,510 --> 01:27:44,970Yeah, yeah. See Mike 500 month500 A month is a Tennessee child137101:27:44,970 --> 01:27:51,270support payment No. It is. It isAlabama wins see137201:27:51,270 --> 01:27:53,250Mike I think has 11 kidsactually,137301:27:53,550 --> 01:27:58,350though he wouldn't know thosestats Yeah. Buzzsprout are boys137401:27:58,500 --> 01:28:03,360boys over Buzzsprout Kevin andTom and Alvin in the gang if137501:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,590$500 every137601:28:06,780 --> 01:28:09,51020 blades on the Impala137701:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,540yeah thank you guys it's end ofthe month we get the ballers the137801:28:12,540 --> 01:28:15,180ballers dropping big balls atthe end of the month here.137901:28:16,530 --> 01:28:19,890Yeah, when they've got they gota new subscription product,138001:28:19,920 --> 01:28:25,890which looks kind of cool. Butdrop nothing. Yeah, I was138101:28:25,890 --> 01:28:27,930looking at that. And yeah, we'vebeen looking for a PayPal138201:28:27,930 --> 01:28:29,190subscription replacement.138301:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,150And they said, Tom said Did youknow they wrote they rolled it138401:28:36,150 --> 01:28:42,090out sort of as is and then it's,you know, when we get when we138501:28:42,090 --> 01:28:44,250get something in place to doopen, you know, open138601:28:44,250 --> 01:28:46,620subscriptions, which is sort ofa background thing we've been138701:28:46,830 --> 01:28:50,250working on over the months, whenwe get something finalized on138801:28:50,250 --> 01:28:54,180that, you know, they can pivotand incorporate that as well.138901:28:54,210 --> 01:28:57,840You know, support support both.Just I like that kind of stuff.139001:28:57,870 --> 01:29:01,080Like if so, you know, you builda thing and you're like okay,139101:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,990well you know, we'll build itnow because we heard we want it139201:29:03,990 --> 01:29:07,020for our business potential. Assoon as the open and open thing139301:29:07,020 --> 01:29:10,260comes along we'll add that intobecause like it's Fiat right?139401:29:11,370 --> 01:29:13,800For net Yes. For now it is butthey did the value for value139501:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,420thing. So that139601:29:16,710 --> 01:29:19,650they could make it it could bevalue for about the only the139701:29:19,650 --> 01:29:21,960only promise of payment amountyou want. Yeah, I'm gonna have139801:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,020to sell the 15% fee to DeVoreact is gonna be hard.139901:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,360Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.140001:29:27,390 --> 01:29:33,030He hates PayPal for what didthey take? 4% they say? Yeah,140101:29:33,090 --> 01:29:38,910yeah. Well, I can try it. That'swhy if it's if it's if it's140201:29:38,910 --> 01:29:46,500Satoshis I can probably hide it.He won't know. I think I think I140301:29:46,500 --> 01:29:47,550can hide it from dad.140401:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,310Fountain $200 Speaking hide fromdead. Wow.140501:29:53,340 --> 01:29:54,330Thank you very much.140601:29:56,550 --> 01:29:59,25020 blades on the Impala.140701:30:00,599 --> 01:30:03,899Appreciate appreciate Oscars funhaving him on the show. That was140801:30:03,899 --> 01:30:08,519great. Wow. Yeah, cool. Oh yeah,we got some boosts we got some140901:30:08,519 --> 01:30:16,499normal boosts 12345 from dripsgot mountain in his messages RMS141001:30:16,499 --> 01:30:20,729bass dash RF space four slashasterisk. drab. You're trying to141101:30:20,729 --> 01:30:26,849wipe my machine. Thanks a lot,man. Thank you. He's trying to141201:30:26,849 --> 01:30:27,749hack our node.141301:30:27,840 --> 01:30:34,050Dred Scott who does? He does?Chapters for pretty much every141401:30:34,050 --> 01:30:40,590podcast I've ever heard of. Heis an extractor machine. He is a141501:30:40,590 --> 01:30:44,130chapter machine and we put themin for 5% All these podcasts.141601:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,590He's probably driving a Corvetteby now.141701:30:48,330 --> 01:30:49,770saving up for Lambo. Lambo.141801:30:50,310 --> 01:30:53,460Lambo, a Lambo emblem yes okay ajacket141901:30:53,910 --> 01:30:57,120his jacket and Nomad Joe 1000SATs through fountain he says142001:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,740Good show thinking no magic you142101:30:58,740 --> 01:31:02,250see Mike said 4% is only whatPay Pal takes in terms of money142201:31:02,250 --> 01:31:03,690they also take your soul142301:31:04,740 --> 01:31:10,350that's worth a lot more thanYes. CO McCormack. 133 33142401:31:10,350 --> 01:31:13,830through bounties as my podcastis a Satoshi exclusive142501:31:13,830 --> 01:31:16,320experience. Go podcasting142601:31:18,450 --> 01:31:22,230also got a 12345 from Mike gowith the same requests go142701:31:22,230 --> 01:31:24,540podcasting. Thanks Mike. Justshot142801:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,860another drips got 33 333 Threepod versus his chapters for142901:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,890episode 118 have been publishedenjoy boosting from pod verse to143001:31:31,890 --> 01:31:35,130see if the boost appears inFountain boost. Yeah,143101:31:35,130 --> 01:31:41,280so I put this I did what Oscartold me to do. Yeah. To put my143201:31:41,280 --> 01:31:48,570own wallet in for 1%. And he hadto change something because he143301:31:48,570 --> 01:31:51,120saw that only showed up here orthere. I'm not quite sure. But143401:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,820if something's working and he'sworking on it, so it should it143501:31:53,820 --> 01:31:59,490should, it should work. Sobooths from other. It's kind of143601:31:59,490 --> 01:32:02,790fun. I didn't realize that.Basically I'm sending a 1% to143701:32:02,790 --> 01:32:08,010myself in the fountain Yeah, inthe fountain wallet. I'd be143801:32:08,010 --> 01:32:12,120happy to just send send the 1%to them, but it's very friendly.143901:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,900So you add yourself for 1% inthe split for your own fountain144001:32:16,230 --> 01:32:21,120address. And then apparently anyany other booths from any other144101:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,100app will also show up in thefountain lightning boost144201:32:26,100 --> 01:32:26,760comments.144301:32:27,330 --> 01:32:30,120Let's Oh my buddy Tim from theGG diary podcast I was like well144401:32:30,120 --> 01:32:34,290now because we talked to Oscarnet last week and now I know how144501:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,350to game the system. So now I canboost you to the top of the144601:32:37,350 --> 01:32:42,150chart whenever at will ya Yesyes. And it's important to know144701:32:42,150 --> 01:32:43,170how to manipulate the alga144801:32:43,290 --> 01:32:46,860what's interesting is you know,I put pastor Jimmy and Damon net144901:32:47,310 --> 01:32:51,150that got their their show up andrunning, which is about a half145001:32:51,150 --> 01:32:55,770an hour every week living up ina down world and and they've145101:32:55,770 --> 01:33:00,450created a community on fountainand I didn't say anything, you145201:33:00,450 --> 01:33:04,320know, just kind of happened inthe because he was using145301:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,590fountain and so now they youknow they talk about their145401:33:07,590 --> 01:33:11,850community on fountain. I meanthat that was like whoa, I'm not145501:33:11,850 --> 01:33:15,420gonna say don't do that. I'mjust gonna see how that plays145601:33:15,420 --> 01:33:18,660out and hopefully people willboost him from other apps. Like145701:33:18,660 --> 01:33:18,870I'm145801:33:19,410 --> 01:33:22,080like I'm Parfitt says pay youknow Pay Pal takes 4% and the145901:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,120occasional 2500 When you saysomething they don't like146001:33:24,810 --> 01:33:27,750details matters detail cost ofdoing business.146101:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,720Jean Everett 10,000 SATs throughfountain says boost146201:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,780boost boost boost boost boostThank you g146301:33:34,380 --> 01:33:37,680another gene ever 1000 says thisis Oscar love you friend but wow146401:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,130fountain is bugging me for nowwhat's up? Oh,146501:33:42,150 --> 01:33:45,780shit happens. Come on. It'samazing. any of this stuff works146601:33:45,810 --> 01:33:46,800at all.146701:33:47,549 --> 01:33:51,179Yep, find a software with nobugs. They don't this is not146801:33:51,179 --> 01:33:51,449many.146901:33:51,480 --> 01:33:53,970Yeah, like try the FAA. Yes.147001:33:55,380 --> 01:33:56,790I still do deleted a file147101:33:57,330 --> 01:34:00,030yet right? I'll never forgetwhen I started flying147201:34:00,030 --> 01:34:06,030helicopters. I was flying theEurocopter. The Eurocopter there147301:34:06,030 --> 01:34:10,500was a 1:20am and the first timeI got in you boot everything up147401:34:10,500 --> 01:34:14,220you turn on all the avionics andit was windows 3.1 I'm like holy147501:34:14,250 --> 01:34:20,670crap I do not want to fly let meout good at all. Like it's fine.147601:34:20,670 --> 01:34:21,540It's always works.147701:34:22,590 --> 01:34:25,980You'd feel better you would havefelt better if it said MS DOS147801:34:25,980 --> 01:34:27,990six probably have Windows three.147901:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,060Vax whatever148001:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,48012345 from Brian of Londonthrough fountain and he says my148101:34:36,480 --> 01:34:40,350dive the a boost system is beingrewritten but I'll do some ad148201:34:40,350 --> 01:34:42,810hoc boosting in the meantime,using fountain today for this148301:34:42,810 --> 01:34:45,060episode, obviously. Thank you,Brian.148401:34:45,270 --> 01:34:47,070Very much. Bombs Hill.148501:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,400Oh, Roy Schonfeld. 54321148601:34:51,150 --> 01:34:52,800There you go. There you go.148701:34:53,340 --> 01:34:56,790He says perhaps activity feedshould be part of the pie148801:34:56,790 --> 01:34:57,540Standard.148901:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,140Oh, oh,149001:35:01,410 --> 01:35:04,410like the fountain activity feed.149101:35:04,860 --> 01:35:09,270Well from what I understand thatsuper secret Sam set the project149201:35:09,270 --> 01:35:13,170pod fans is also going to havesome version of an activity feed149301:35:13,950 --> 01:35:17,700and I know that he's talked toOscar about it there's stuff149401:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,460going on we the children areplaying without us Dave I have149501:35:20,460 --> 01:35:22,950no idea what they're doing butsomething's going on with them.149601:35:23,250 --> 01:35:24,990That's not not a bad idea.149701:35:25,410 --> 01:35:29,430Yeah, that mean like that onceyou see a sharp couple of things149801:35:29,430 --> 01:35:32,520work and you can then you canknow what to what to work149901:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,520towards standardize and watchthe community and see what's150001:35:36,270 --> 01:35:37,380bubbling up to the top150101:35:37,410 --> 01:35:39,300that's a very interesting idea150201:35:44,850 --> 01:35:46,800Thank you Roy. Yeah, and150301:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,390then you mean that can be bakedon top of activity pub or150401:35:51,390 --> 01:35:55,920something like that. Oh man.Yeah, that's it. That's it. I150501:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,690like that idea. My mind isspinning.150601:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,390We need to get we'll go intothat when we have money show.150701:36:00,690 --> 01:36:06,270Oh, look who it is. No, it's noit's Dave Jackson the legendary150801:36:06,270 --> 01:36:08,820podcast the Hall of Famepodcaster don't want an only150901:36:09,150 --> 01:36:12,660Yeah 20,000 says their castdramatic he says anchors river151001:36:12,660 --> 01:36:14,580have garbage the sage indeed.151101:36:15,450 --> 01:36:17,940Thank you, Dave Jacksoneverybody.151201:36:20,370 --> 01:36:25,560Sir Spencer 33 333 through curiocaster and he says can I help151301:36:25,560 --> 01:36:30,000parse these 44,000 Music feedsdown somewhere last time I was151401:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,060on and looking through musicfeeds there are not many I saw151501:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,210that were truly music it willcraft has aired its last episode151601:36:36,210 --> 01:36:38,520and I'm looking to get moreinvolved in whatever the future151701:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,850of music medium tag will looklike. Yeah, they will start151801:36:41,850 --> 01:36:43,530working on that sir Spencer GoodGood, good151901:36:43,560 --> 01:36:44,790guy. I love seeing this152001:36:45,570 --> 01:36:49,350anonymous 2222 It was it was agood tribe and152101:36:49,410 --> 01:36:51,780I want to say something I got anote from someone I can't152201:36:51,780 --> 01:36:55,350remember who it was. And theytried to put their music on152301:36:55,350 --> 01:36:55,920anchor152401:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,220and they you get rejectedimmediately kicked152501:36:59,220 --> 01:37:01,890off immediately. This is notwhen even if it's your own music152601:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,920even that's the email said evenif you've licensed it yourself152701:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,090is oh your own stuff. No, no,no. And that of course is is152801:37:09,090 --> 01:37:13,950very interesting because it'stheir business competing inside152901:37:13,950 --> 01:37:14,880their own business.153001:37:16,320 --> 01:37:23,220Spotify, it is the strangestcompany in this regard, in in153101:37:23,220 --> 01:37:27,870the way that they want you to bea customer but never use the153201:37:27,870 --> 01:37:28,500service.153301:37:28,530 --> 01:37:31,140They're the ABA of podcastcompanies. Oops.153401:37:34,590 --> 01:37:37,950It's like it's like, please signup for our service but don't153501:37:37,950 --> 01:37:39,090actually listen to any music.153601:37:39,150 --> 01:37:43,170I got to play some ABA now. Whenshould we play what ABA we play?153701:37:44,220 --> 01:37:45,510Are you familiar with any ABA?153801:37:46,710 --> 01:37:50,250Only I don't know the titles Ionly know the known when I hear153901:37:50,250 --> 01:37:58,560him. Like I can't name them allI remember is like hazy glowy154001:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,840videos. Yeah, all the women hadfeathered hair. This is154101:38:04,620 --> 01:38:08,340okay. Oh my goodness clean.Yeah, of course. Dancing Queen154201:38:08,340 --> 01:38:13,050is too easy people now you gotto do something like deep cut. I154301:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,860was not a deep cut but I mean, Igrew up with ABA and believe it154401:38:16,860 --> 01:38:23,430or not, and here's what I wouldplay this is this is their their154501:38:23,430 --> 01:38:27,600prayer for the day. Ladies andgentlemen, Spotify says Money154601:38:27,600 --> 01:38:37,740money money or this one? Yes,yes. Let me say get the chorus154701:38:38,700 --> 01:38:50,430was in a Spotify we're sorry.154801:38:51,090 --> 01:38:54,720That's it. That's the hook thatyou know every DJ can just do154901:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,370wonders with you could throwYeah,155001:38:56,580 --> 01:38:58,710you can do it forever. I can goon forever with that song155101:38:58,740 --> 01:38:59,430Absolutely.155201:39:01,380 --> 01:39:06,090Anonymous 2222 through castematic no note gives nothing the155301:39:06,090 --> 01:39:10,200next time I see Dubs. 7777striper boost, yo yo podcast155401:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,370index web page, and he saysboost bought now has 777 Angel155501:39:14,370 --> 01:39:23,130boost. Yes. Oh, nice. Anotherseed up. 7777 say the boost CLI155601:39:23,130 --> 01:39:25,350and he says now with Angelboost. I don't know what this155701:39:25,350 --> 01:39:27,750angel boost thing is 7777155801:39:27,750 --> 01:39:28,770That's an angel boost.155901:39:29,190 --> 01:39:30,420Okay, that's okay. So156001:39:30,810 --> 01:39:33,450we talked about riper, but okay.It's fine. You can do an angel.156101:39:33,960 --> 01:39:34,500Yeah, there's156201:39:34,500 --> 01:39:39,480different different tribes. SeeDubs. 1111. Essential of156301:39:39,480 --> 01:39:46,200Richard's to the boost CLI. MereMortals podcast roadex 2222156401:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,290through fountain and he saysboosting to fund Dave's stats156501:39:49,320 --> 01:39:53,040Addiction Rehab. We'll have towean him off Excel sheets over a156601:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,800year can't just go cold turkeyon that. Just kidding Dave. love156701:39:55,800 --> 01:39:56,250you man.156801:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,160Anthony Bryan Bryan was an Isent me an actual satchel of156901:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,890Richard's which is a bag ofgummies that have a ace Richard157001:40:10,890 --> 01:40:11,520like look157101:40:12,180 --> 01:40:13,470okay, and I157201:40:13,470 --> 01:40:15,540could I could with my with myteeth and everything I could157301:40:15,540 --> 01:40:18,960have one maybe a day, you knowbecause I'd have to go clean it157401:40:18,960 --> 01:40:19,980all out Colima157501:40:19,980 --> 01:40:21,210yeah get them out of the creviceand157601:40:21,210 --> 01:40:25,740then I had to and then all of asudden Tina had eaten the whole157701:40:25,740 --> 01:40:32,220satchel Richards she felt reallybad about it. She just I157801:40:32,220 --> 01:40:34,470couldn't help it. I'm like, doyou Did you see what you're157901:40:34,470 --> 01:40:34,980eating?158001:40:36,450 --> 01:40:38,370Pringles you can't get you can'thave just one.158101:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,350That's right. You can't justhave one, Richard.158201:40:40,770 --> 01:40:46,530No, no, I mean, once you go downthat path, you're all chyron158301:40:46,530 --> 01:40:50,490again for the minerals podcastpodcast 43 to tin the curio158401:40:50,490 --> 01:40:53,520caster and he says shamelesslySelf plugging and suggesting158501:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,130that if anyone wants to hearmore in depth about fountain158601:40:56,130 --> 01:40:58,650they check out the mere mortalsfor the Convo I just had with158701:40:58,650 --> 01:41:02,460Oscar Ronica listen to some ofthese through curio caster he158801:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,800is very ironic. I was prettygood I listened to probably 40158901:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,340minutes of it and that was aninteresting conversation. Karen159001:41:11,340 --> 01:41:15,960is a good interviewer it whenclearly between us having the159101:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,680Oscar Ron and Kira and Kira ismuch better much better at the159201:41:19,680 --> 01:41:20,190interview159301:41:20,820 --> 01:41:29,280yeah yeah we so kinda speak foryourself Richard Jean been 22 to159401:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,97022 through founded and he sayslisten to this episode in an app159501:41:32,970 --> 01:41:35,310other than fountain just didn'tfeel right had to switch over159601:41:35,310 --> 01:41:36,510when Oscar came into theboardroom159701:41:37,350 --> 01:41:38,310yeah there you go159801:41:43,020 --> 01:41:47,460Jean been leaked loose 1337 Andhe says no idea why Adam was159901:41:47,460 --> 01:41:49,860setting up a MoonPie andfountain I had to do the photo160001:41:49,860 --> 01:41:52,080of my license and the selfiepictures where I had to move my160101:41:52,110 --> 01:41:54,720head left and right as part oftheir to se ha160201:41:55,830 --> 01:42:01,260and where's he? What country isyou? Don't know that's160301:42:01,260 --> 01:42:03,450interesting because I didn'thave to do it. Tina didn't have160401:42:03,450 --> 01:42:06,210to do it. Other people I knowdidn't have to do it.160501:42:06,660 --> 01:42:10,650Clearly he's on a no like a nono fly list. Yeah, yeah. No set160601:42:10,650 --> 01:42:15,060list. Did you see where the nofly list leaked? Somebody stuck160701:42:15,060 --> 01:42:17,820it up on a Yep, seems on an opens3 bucket seems160801:42:17,820 --> 01:42:20,100to me that you know if ournational security160901:42:20,100 --> 01:42:25,020infrastructures handing outExcel sheets to airlines and161001:42:25,020 --> 01:42:30,870that is the that is the no flylist. No wonder it's impossible161101:42:30,870 --> 01:42:34,020to get off that thing. I mean,who's in charge of replacing it161201:42:34,020 --> 01:42:36,960on the s3 bucket? I mean,seriously, people what is going161301:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,830on with this?161401:42:37,950 --> 01:42:40,680Somebody set the read only flagon the phone. They just nobody's161501:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,450ever know. Figure out turn itoff. So you just can't get off161601:42:42,450 --> 01:42:42,840of this.161701:42:43,200 --> 01:42:47,160Oh, maybe that's why s3 decidedto change some things.161801:42:47,700 --> 01:42:52,950Yeah. Oh, yeah. That may be whyYeah. Could be gene been 22 to161901:42:52,950 --> 01:42:56,58022 through fountain and he saysI'm so glad to hear Oscar say162001:42:56,580 --> 01:42:59,250that the competition is againstApple and Spotify not pod verse162101:42:59,250 --> 01:43:02,160or caste ematic or other peopleknow apps. Yeah, that was good.162201:43:02,220 --> 01:43:03,000That was a good comment.162301:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,580That was a great comment.Absolutely. And he's right. He's162401:43:05,580 --> 01:43:10,500right. 100 100% 100%162501:43:11,370 --> 01:43:16,680Nicholas B 58 3000. Says throughfountain he says laugh out loud.162601:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,520And now. I have now over 250podcasts I have not listened to.162701:43:20,850 --> 01:43:23,700I'm about four months behind.Whatever probably I have to162801:43:23,700 --> 01:43:27,630bench them. breedings fromNicholas. He's got 250 podcasts,162901:43:27,630 --> 01:43:29,880but he somehow managed to listento ours. I feel honored.163001:43:29,940 --> 01:43:33,180I had that happen the other day.My phone ran out of space and I163101:43:33,180 --> 01:43:37,290guess all the podcasts I gotwell, I got podcasts automatic163201:43:37,290 --> 01:43:42,930downloading on fountain on podverse. Same ones. Yeah. Oh,163301:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,770yeah. Cuz I have the same Iimport the my OPML list to each163401:43:46,770 --> 01:43:50,040of them. Oh, there doesn't seemto be an easy way in any of163501:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,970these apps to nuke alldownloads, that with one swift163601:43:53,970 --> 01:43:55,200stroke of my read.163701:43:55,200 --> 01:43:56,580That would be a nice feature.163801:43:56,610 --> 01:43:57,450The great feature163901:43:58,710 --> 01:44:02,100is like unsticky all the itemsin the river. Which164001:44:02,280 --> 01:44:08,400just work yes, no. Sometimes itworks. Most of the time it164101:44:08,400 --> 01:44:08,910works.164201:44:10,290 --> 01:44:14,220Be mozzie Brian 125,000 sets164301:44:16,020 --> 01:44:20,040Sakala 20 blades on the Impala164401:44:20,669 --> 01:44:25,229and he says boost for Oscar.Yeah, loosed. Thank you, Brian.164501:44:25,229 --> 01:44:29,279Appreciate another brown mozzie5000 Do fountaining says based164601:44:29,279 --> 01:44:31,649on Adams comments on thefunctionality of phones activity164701:44:31,649 --> 01:44:34,109stream. I think podcastingTufano should unblocked164801:44:34,109 --> 01:44:36,899fountain.fm visible boostslightning comments.164901:44:37,740 --> 01:44:41,400Now we were going to get it'sall going to work out.165001:44:42,270 --> 01:44:44,130It's going to work because youget an awarding set up now.165101:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,910It's gonna work out we got thatset up and then you're going to165201:44:47,910 --> 01:44:52,020have the integration part withthe bridge and we were going to165301:44:52,050 --> 01:44:55,320Oscar said he would work onsomething that we could on165401:44:55,740 --> 01:44:59,520uncloak them after we'vepublished, which may or may not165501:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,440be necessary. Carry with whatyou're building. I don't know.165601:45:01,470 --> 01:45:02,670Yes, you're right.165701:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,060We're gonna figure it out. We'regonna figure it out for sure.165801:45:06,540 --> 01:45:14,550Mr. Mr. Gray band sent us 12345Mr. Marissa, who was the good165901:45:14,550 --> 01:45:17,820bass player that was Mr. Big youremember Mr. Big166001:45:17,849 --> 01:45:22,619Mr. Big Winger was also a bassplayer winger166101:45:22,650 --> 01:45:29,610yeah but yeah she's only 70 Yeahnot not Winger. Mr. Big I can't166201:45:29,610 --> 01:45:32,640remember their bass players namebut he was really good that166301:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,140Mister Mister what was their hit166401:45:34,470 --> 01:45:40,800Kiri islands home bro brokenwings so take these broken when166501:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,680we fly away166601:45:43,889 --> 01:45:46,259fly live so free166701:45:46,289 --> 01:45:50,219Dave You I gotta get some reverbon you brother. I'll have that166801:45:50,219 --> 01:45:54,059set for the next show. You got agood voice you're good singer.166901:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,840We better than I used to Mr.12345 through Felty says167001:46:00,840 --> 01:46:04,740longtime listener. First timefeature requesting I have an RSS167101:46:04,740 --> 01:46:11,520feed from anchor No. A habit ofedited via podcast index.org add167201:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,090a tab success. Adding the samefeed again it comes back with167301:46:15,150 --> 01:46:20,400dupe Thiede. Oh yes, yes, true.Desire behavior, return the time167401:46:20,400 --> 01:46:24,090of less scraping and add abutton to re scrape like a167501:46:24,090 --> 01:46:27,180torrent index. H capture isalready there super useful167601:46:27,180 --> 01:46:30,180feature for updates correctionsto the feed to be pushed out pre167701:46:30,180 --> 01:46:33,210cached ASAP. But you get mydrift here. I'm confused what167801:46:33,210 --> 01:46:38,610caches? What caches where andwhen? Yeah, well, I think yeah,167901:46:38,610 --> 01:46:42,840that's possible. I mean, to havelike a button to do repol168001:46:42,990 --> 01:46:45,810can we know people are gonna behitting that like maniacs?168101:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,480I think he's trying I think he'strying to say that you would168201:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,180have to put it on a CAPTCHA.Yeah, better protect it168301:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,230somewhat. But168401:46:52,230 --> 01:46:55,260a timeout you know. It's notwhat pod ping is for?168501:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,160Yes. Send pod ping. Do puppyworking168601:46:59,580 --> 01:47:06,840more for can they find out more?Right. Have just have a pile of168701:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,550ping go from anchor. Oh, I'msorry.168801:47:10,890 --> 01:47:17,880I mean, you can you can do? Oh,I don't know how to think about168901:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,290this. I have to think about thisbecause people know if you make169001:47:22,290 --> 01:47:26,460anything easy, it'll be abused.Yeah, there needs to be some169101:47:26,460 --> 01:47:31,380sort of entrance fee. In theentrance fee is169201:47:31,440 --> 01:47:32,730100,000 sense.169301:47:34,170 --> 01:47:36,750No, I was thinking more likelearn how to program.169401:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,350I liked the idea here. You wantto reboot? Not this is not a bad169501:47:40,350 --> 01:47:43,680idea. I mean, I'd say it kind ofjokingly but why is that? Why169601:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,370not yell sad. There you go.We'll charge an LSAT to refresh169701:47:47,370 --> 01:47:47,910your feet.169801:47:48,750 --> 01:47:56,340I can. I can feel Alexbristling. Every hair stood up169901:47:56,340 --> 01:47:57,360on the back of his neck.170001:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,590He just unfollowed me No, I'mkidding.170101:48:02,610 --> 01:48:06,300Busy brain 5000 SATs throughfountain. He says showing more170201:48:06,300 --> 01:48:10,050set love to you fellas fromreading Bitcoin podcast. Oh,170301:48:10,110 --> 01:48:13,230well, thank you. Thank youhaven't listened but I'll give170401:48:13,230 --> 01:48:16,560it a whirl. Oh, Todd Cochran.50,000 SATs through family says170501:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,680Adam and Dave showing off boothsat pod fest. Okay, so we just170601:48:19,680 --> 01:48:20,220did that one. I170701:48:20,220 --> 01:48:21,600think that's No, no, no, thatwas a170801:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,720different Mr. Grant. For onedifferent wording. Yes. Wow.170901:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,720Well, thank you, Todd.171001:48:28,890 --> 01:48:32,940I just I just love the that Toddis walking around showing people171101:48:32,970 --> 01:48:35,640him boosting is all coming tothis show.171201:48:35,820 --> 01:48:38,760I think it was illegal in acouple of states. Do more of171301:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,650that. Walking around, boasting171401:48:41,070 --> 01:48:45,000guess what Louie CK got introuble for the tone record.171501:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,6205000 SATs, firing this boostsoff into space in the name of171601:48:49,620 --> 01:48:52,950discovery and conquering fear ofthe unknown. Just a box and171701:48:52,950 --> 01:48:57,270podcast index.org asking forsome sets. Whoever finds this171801:48:57,270 --> 01:49:00,300bottle in the ocean know thatall appears will in the value171901:49:00,300 --> 01:49:05,160for value land. Oh, Mr. Gray.Thank you Spoken like a true172001:49:05,340 --> 01:49:10,380lyricist and musician. SeanMcCune 5000 sets through the172101:49:10,380 --> 01:49:13,650podcast and this website.Boosting through C boosting from172201:49:13,650 --> 01:49:16,560your website without B just totry it out. It worked. It172301:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,750worked. Thank you. Orange bat2999 through breeze podcast172401:49:21,750 --> 01:49:24,570index.org is the note whateverthat is a172501:49:24,570 --> 01:49:26,280true means whatever that means.Thank you172601:49:26,340 --> 01:49:30,720correct is true. Danby 2000 saysGood show with Oscar I like to172701:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,270fountain is not like thatfountain is a nice easy way to172801:49:33,270 --> 01:49:36,060get into lightning payments at amoon pay account and having to172901:49:36,060 --> 01:49:38,430give driver's license passportto them feels a little like a173001:49:38,430 --> 01:49:41,730barrier still. Is it possible togive SATs or opportunity to earn173101:49:41,730 --> 01:49:44,580extra SATs in return for being apremium member through an apple173201:49:44,580 --> 01:49:45,360subscription?173301:49:46,860 --> 01:49:49,710That he asked her question I'mnot quite sure. Yeah,173401:49:49,740 --> 01:49:56,070maybe Oscar Well, I don't know.I don't know. Who has 25,031173501:49:56,070 --> 01:49:58,620SATs through fountain he saysprime boost173601:49:59,610 --> 01:50:02,130Oh Oh, wow, what was the numberagain?173701:50:02,520 --> 01:50:03,72025 Oh 31173801:50:03,870 --> 01:50:07,140Ah, nice. Prime boost.173901:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,110Yeah, he's getting he's gettinggeared up to create a public174001:50:10,110 --> 01:50:14,400private key pair. Chaos. 99 5000SATs the fountaining says174101:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,710another great episode. I love itwhen a plan comes together said174201:50:16,710 --> 01:50:20,670every podcasting 2.0 app everdelivered to their post? Yeah, I174301:50:20,670 --> 01:50:23,190think we read that one. Okay,maybe I'm at the end of the day.174401:50:23,220 --> 01:50:27,120Oh, Alwyn from contracts. Yeah,I think we got 69. No note.174501:50:29,070 --> 01:50:32,190Okay, I think we're at the endthere. It threw me off because174601:50:32,190 --> 01:50:35,700we had the delimiter in his50,000 this time is Oh, yes.174701:50:35,700 --> 01:50:40,200Yes. Yes. What comic stripblogger has changed from 33,015.174801:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,100To only one week only he wasvery clear about this.174901:50:44,130 --> 01:50:47,580Oh, okay. Well, well, what do wehave to do to be so grateful for175001:50:47,580 --> 01:50:48,960this? He says,175101:50:50,220 --> 01:50:53,490How do you Dave and Adam, justthat. Thank you Bigley Adam for175201:50:53,490 --> 01:50:56,940tackling AI singularity duringyour fifth visit as Joe Rogan.175301:50:56,970 --> 01:50:57,360Yeah.175401:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,990He sent me a note. I don't knowif it was, I think it was a175501:51:00,990 --> 01:51:06,450post. He said, You know, he'swhat I would call a TJ. I175601:51:06,450 --> 01:51:11,340talked. I talked to Joe aboutthis. I saw Jackie. No, I said175701:51:11,340 --> 01:51:15,750that. I am not he's not entirelya TJ but I said to Joe, I made175801:51:15,750 --> 01:51:17,880the mistake of saying, you know,I'm gonna show I'm gonna go on175901:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,970Rogen. And when you get allthese people tell Joe tell Joe,176001:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,180tell Joe to have this guy andtell that guy Joe Joe needs to176101:51:24,180 --> 01:51:27,660be the arm fell dead and tellJoe tell Joe. That's funny. T176201:51:27,660 --> 01:51:32,880J's. And comics are bloggerslike tell Joe to talk about the176301:51:32,910 --> 01:51:37,650AI singularity how we're allgonna die. And I actually kind176401:51:37,650 --> 01:51:44,760of brought that up. Hey, yes, wegot a nice boost. Thank you CSV,176501:51:44,790 --> 01:51:46,620CSV here. Yes.176601:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,920You're not You're not dissuadingthe tgase. When you do that,176701:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,260when when one of them were ifone of them works, they'll do it176801:51:52,260 --> 01:51:52,650again.176901:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,550If they want to send 50,000SATs, I mean, I'm purchasable.177001:51:57,690 --> 01:51:59,970That's true. Okay. We haveprices.177101:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,130That was a that was177201:52:02,520 --> 01:52:07,530get some monthlies. You'll getsome monthlies. James over pod177301:52:07,530 --> 01:52:10,260news $50 Thank you, James.Appreciate that. And I think177401:52:10,260 --> 01:52:10,980that's a big bowl177501:52:12,060 --> 01:52:16,080Sakala 20 Oh man bollocks177601:52:16,110 --> 01:52:21,990Mondo SATs baby. Yemen ShawnMcCune $20 Michael Gagan $5177701:52:21,990 --> 01:52:27,000Charles current $5 can glotzbach$5 Christopher Raymer $10 James177801:52:27,000 --> 01:52:32,700Sullivan $10 Jordan Dunnville$10 Lesley Martin $2 dribs got177901:52:32,730 --> 01:52:36,630$15 and Michael Kimmerer $5.33178001:52:36,660 --> 01:52:40,470goodness, thank you all so much.This is very heartwarming,178101:52:40,950 --> 01:52:45,120particularly the Satoshis. Butwe cannot discount those big178201:52:45,150 --> 01:52:50,490$100 $500 $200 from the bigsupporters. That's what keeps it178301:52:50,490 --> 01:52:53,700going. Everything else goesright. It pays the bills,178401:52:53,700 --> 01:52:58,290everything else goes right intoliquidity on the node for anyone178501:52:58,290 --> 01:53:02,130who needs a channel. And this isvalue for value. So whatever you178601:53:02,130 --> 01:53:05,430get out of the podcast and thewhole project you're supporting178701:53:05,430 --> 01:53:07,650it all is incrediblyappreciated. You can go to178801:53:07,650 --> 01:53:13,200podcast index.org keepforgetting to do this. And you178901:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,980can scroll to the bottom thereyou will see a red donate179001:53:16,980 --> 01:53:21,360button. You can support us withyour Fiat fun coupons. And I'm179101:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,740always forgetting to take a lookif anyone used the on chain179201:53:25,740 --> 01:53:30,270donation of Tally coin. And yes,Tally coin a member we have to179301:53:30,270 --> 01:53:42,090hold on J moon with 33,325 SATs.Eric peepee were 33,317 SATs. So179401:53:42,090 --> 01:53:43,230we have two today.179501:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,529I think Eric peepee does it justto be I think he's he's wanting179601:53:46,529 --> 01:53:47,729to be edgy. And he literally he179701:53:47,730 --> 01:53:53,130literally said do these on chaindonation still work? Yes, they179801:53:53,130 --> 01:53:57,450do. Man. Thank you. Thank you.That's, that's mighty Monica179901:53:57,450 --> 01:54:00,600Monica. And if you and I willmake a point of looking at these180001:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,930regularly now that you've nowthat we do it? Yes, they do work180101:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,690through the tally coin linkright there. And of course go to180201:54:06,690 --> 01:54:12,570new podcast apps.com Now withHTTPS so that you can support us180301:54:12,570 --> 01:54:16,530through any of the apps thatsupport value for value. Thank180401:54:16,530 --> 01:54:18,690you for your courage, etc.180501:54:20,190 --> 01:54:25,440They you know, I think my voiceis done but we we ended up we180601:54:25,440 --> 01:54:28,350didn't talk a lot. We didn't doa lot of technical deep dive180701:54:28,350 --> 01:54:31,860stuff today. Because it justfelt like a week where the180801:54:31,860 --> 01:54:34,530podcasts industry were just likeobserving the podcast industrial180901:54:34,530 --> 01:54:37,320complex needed some discussionmotion meltdown. Yeah.181001:54:38,610 --> 01:54:44,070They did need a little bit of adiscussion. Yeah, so not that we181101:54:44,070 --> 01:54:46,680wish anybody ill will at all181201:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,820No, I hate it. I hate this whenpeople that we know and and181301:54:50,820 --> 01:54:55,110love. Like Nathan lose losetheir gig. I mean, it sucks.181401:54:55,620 --> 01:54:58,830I'm not just that I don't likepredicting the demise of a181501:54:58,830 --> 01:55:02,340business model that many Peoplehave grown accustomed to and181601:55:02,340 --> 01:55:06,480that people base their careerson I mean, they just go and look181701:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,660at LinkedIn, how many podcastsconsultants there are? That's a181801:55:09,660 --> 01:55:12,450funny Tina that I tell you thiswhen when Tina and I started181901:55:12,450 --> 01:55:15,720doing curling the keeper, sheput podcast professional on her182001:55:15,720 --> 01:55:18,210LinkedIn profile as as a joke.And182101:55:18,750 --> 01:55:21,540she gets hit up by does she getdinged all the time, but people182201:55:21,540 --> 01:55:21,810she182301:55:21,810 --> 01:55:26,700gets hit up by? Yes, by podcastconsultants, I can help you make182401:55:26,700 --> 01:55:30,270money and moderate drives growyour body drives?182501:55:30,870 --> 01:55:33,360Is she getting less of thattoday that she was I think182601:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,110considerably182701:55:34,110 --> 01:55:37,290less. Yeah, Oscar. That's a goodquestion. Okay, well, she's182801:55:37,290 --> 01:55:38,220always kind of creepy.182901:55:39,060 --> 01:55:43,230But that's that's all. You know,the good thing about this is183001:55:43,230 --> 01:55:48,060that these the companies withgreat with great business models183101:55:48,060 --> 01:55:53,160with that did just sell a goodproduct for a good price and183201:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,100provide value to theircustomers. They have nothing to183301:55:56,100 --> 01:55:58,920worry about. They're going to bearound. Yeah, I agree. And you183401:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,290know, those guys are going toremain strong. And there's183501:56:01,290 --> 01:56:05,100plenty of those inside thepodcasting ecosystem. It's the183601:56:05,820 --> 01:56:11,190it's the Silicon Valley creepersthat come in and those guys for183701:56:11,190 --> 01:56:13,350good reason. They're, they'renot going to last.183801:56:14,670 --> 01:56:18,990I used to be a Silicon Valleycreeper. I got out. Got out just183901:56:18,990 --> 01:56:20,580in time. I mean, did184001:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,140I read before? Yeah, read beforeyou split your soul into this184101:56:25,140 --> 01:56:25,680piece. It was184201:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,680very close. It was very close. Ileft my own company four years184301:56:28,710 --> 01:56:33,570ago. I can't do this. I can't dothis anymore. And that was 2009.184401:56:34,770 --> 01:56:37,530I think has it been that long?Wow. That has been a long time.184501:56:37,560 --> 01:56:38,040Yeah.184601:56:38,879 --> 01:56:41,129Not as long as current mixerblogger has been a part of my184701:56:41,129 --> 01:56:48,029life. Apparently he was he wassending in bits, the daily184801:56:48,029 --> 01:56:50,009source code, I think 2006.184901:56:51,210 --> 01:56:52,170Good grief.185001:56:53,340 --> 01:56:57,570And I love that ChristopherEisen found that old piece of185101:56:57,570 --> 01:56:58,440content.185201:56:58,830 --> 01:57:02,340Oh, that was the I put them bothin the in the clips. What both185301:57:02,340 --> 01:57:05,940what do we have both? Both ofthe things that that podcast185401:57:05,970 --> 01:57:08,730default welcome. And185501:57:09,090 --> 01:57:12,480bought. I don't see default. Oh,what is this? What? Should I185601:57:12,480 --> 01:57:16,950play this? Yeah. Hi, I'm Adamcurry. Welcome to the iPod185701:57:16,950 --> 01:57:22,620platform. Hearing this. Hi,Hamid. Douchebag Hi, I'm Adam185801:57:22,620 --> 01:57:25,530curry. You'll find me in asession live Richards. Hi, I'm185901:57:25,530 --> 01:57:29,070Adam curry. Welcome to the iPodplatform. Great hearing this186001:57:29,070 --> 01:57:32,130message means you havesuccessfully installed iPod or186101:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,520on your computer and you shouldsee a new playlist on your mp3186201:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,690player titled iPod or testchannel containing this file. I186301:57:39,690 --> 01:57:45,960love the the room. You can addany URL that points to an RSS186401:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,050feed with enclosures toautomatically receive new186501:57:49,050 --> 01:57:53,730podcasts by subscription. Youcan use ipod.org as your guide186601:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,390to new software, and pointers tonew podcast directories and186701:57:57,390 --> 01:58:00,600services. We really hope youenjoy receiving and creating186801:58:00,600 --> 01:58:03,990your podcast and please rememberthis stuff supposed to be fun.186901:58:04,110 --> 01:58:07,410So enjoy. Oh, it was me who saidthis. But this toughest? Yeah, I187001:58:07,410 --> 01:58:09,000didn't even realize that was me.187101:58:09,060 --> 01:58:10,440You didn't recognize your ownvoice. I187201:58:10,440 --> 01:58:16,830did not know I didn't. I didn't.Oh, wow. It's so against. Ah,187301:58:16,860 --> 01:58:18,510well, I was gonna use it for theend of the show.187401:58:18,900 --> 01:58:22,410Oh, yeah. Yeah. That'sinteresting. Because BH podcast,187501:58:22,440 --> 01:58:27,840it would this is like, oh, likehistory repeats itself. So I187601:58:27,840 --> 01:58:33,300Potter was that the welcome to iPotter said, yeah, that was the187701:58:33,300 --> 01:58:37,650first app. I didn't build it. Ithink that was someone else187801:58:37,650 --> 01:58:41,670built that app. And maybe it wasmaybe iPod or was the first187901:58:41,670 --> 01:58:44,820Apple script. I can't remember.But I made those for different188001:58:44,820 --> 01:58:48,150apps, and said Oh, yeah, so thatwould be like a default when you188101:58:48,150 --> 01:58:51,690when you when you install thesoftware. That would be a188201:58:51,690 --> 01:58:53,340default welcome message.188301:58:53,850 --> 01:58:59,190Yeah, like, like a, like a prebuilt OPML whatever. You know,188401:58:59,190 --> 01:59:00,480the exact download that Yeah,188501:59:00,509 --> 01:59:03,899exactly. This, because I heardthis. This is Christopher zine188601:59:03,899 --> 01:59:06,929found this and I saw a wholebunch of other historical stuff188701:59:06,929 --> 01:59:13,799pop up from 2005. This was justWGBH versus KQED. In San188801:59:13,799 --> 01:59:19,169Francisco. In the in it threetags was both NPR was NPR and188901:59:19,169 --> 01:59:24,779WGBH Tony Khan. He really paid alot of attention to podcasting.189001:59:24,779 --> 01:59:28,919I think he was the first one toput NPR programming on the189101:59:28,919 --> 01:59:31,829podcasting and unsung hero, Imight add, let's listen to a189201:59:31,829 --> 01:59:33,269little bit of this, but not manypeople189301:59:33,270 --> 01:59:36,240have put that much music intotheir players. That means just189401:59:36,240 --> 01:59:39,810about everyone's got room forsomething else. Interesting how189501:59:39,990 --> 01:59:45,690that was, you know, people areusing pod iPods for music, and189601:59:45,690 --> 01:59:48,420we were trying to get podcastingand now people are using189701:59:48,720 --> 01:59:52,320podcasts. We're trying to getmusic in it. upside down world189801:59:52,620 --> 01:59:55,860is crazy and more and more iPodowners are filling the space189901:59:55,860 --> 01:59:59,790with audio content created by anunpredictable assortment of190001:59:59,790 --> 02:00:03,390print losers. It's calledpodcasting. And its strongest190102:00:03,390 --> 02:00:06,990proponent is former MTV hostAdam curry. This190202:00:06,990 --> 02:00:09,630must be real audio. I thinkwe're listening to190302:00:10,050 --> 02:00:11,070like eight bit array190402:00:11,310 --> 02:00:14,550like the world's technologycorrespondent Clark Boyd reports190502:00:14,550 --> 02:00:16,110from Guilford, England,Guilford.190602:00:16,350 --> 02:00:19,680Perry has only two things on hismind these days chicks and190702:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,400cheese and they're not the toptwo spots and the mtb top 20190802:00:23,400 --> 02:00:29,460video can not fly you know,instead curry is obsessed with190902:00:29,460 --> 02:00:32,520coffee ups and high speedinternet connections. I'm over191002:00:32,520 --> 02:00:36,360caffeinated and underserved onbandwidth, curries mad as hell,191102:00:36,480 --> 02:00:39,900but in a friendly way. He's justmoved his wife, two kids in a191202:00:39,900 --> 02:00:41,010sort of toolkit.191302:00:41,070 --> 02:00:47,550I have two kids. I've only hadone kid but okay, if you're out191402:00:47,550 --> 02:00:49,500there and you're my kid sent mea boost.191502:00:49,589 --> 02:00:53,549Yes, Castle in Belgium to acottage in Guilford about 30191602:00:53,549 --> 02:00:56,699miles from London. Since themove he's been trying to get a191702:00:56,699 --> 02:00:58,529high speed internet connectionat home.191802:00:58,710 --> 02:01:00,930Oh, that's hilarious. I'll putthat in the show notes.191902:01:03,870 --> 02:01:07,500Please, my other child sent me abooster to grab so I know that192002:01:07,500 --> 02:01:08,010you're alive192102:01:08,010 --> 02:01:14,370and doing well. Oh man, Dave, Ihope you feel better brother. Do192202:01:14,430 --> 02:01:19,320it really? Sucks. And yeah,there you go. I'd put an accent192302:01:19,320 --> 02:01:24,450on it, Willie. Oh, I'm so sick.Have a healthy better weekend.192402:01:24,480 --> 02:01:28,140Dave. Appreciate it. I'm gonnakick it. I'm gonna get over it.192502:01:28,350 --> 02:01:30,840Of course she will. And thankyou all very much there in the192602:01:30,840 --> 02:01:34,740chat room for checking us outwhile we've been lips. And192702:01:34,740 --> 02:01:38,250Steven b Yes, I may be yourdaddy. We'll see you next week192802:01:38,250 --> 02:01:40,950right here on podcasting. 2.0the board meeting bye bye192902:01:40,950 --> 02:01:41,460everybody.193002:01:55,560 --> 02:02:00,120You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast193102:02:00,120 --> 02:02:03,570index.org for more information.Cool.193202:02:06,210 --> 02:02:07,710This stuff's supposed to be fun.