Episode 118: No Malaise

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,750Oh, podcasting 2.0 for January20 2023 Episode 190 No Molly's200:00:06,750 --> 00:00:12,000hair Hello everybody once againtime for the official board300:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,850meeting of podcasting 2.0 Thefuture is here it's now we got400:00:17,850 --> 00:00:21,720everything going on with thenamespace podcast index.org All500:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,380of the gossip and of course allthe brainpower that has moved600:00:25,380 --> 00:00:29,100melting and oozing all overpodcasts index dot social I'm700:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,530Adam curry here in the heart ofthe Texas Hill Country and in800:00:31,530 --> 00:00:35,640Alabama the lick Meister Mr.Live item tag himself say hello900:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,370to my friend on the other endladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bae1000:00:38,370 --> 00:00:39,330Jones1100:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,400it's like a little movie thisliving in a movie today.1200:00:44,430 --> 00:00:48,570You're living in a movie in amovie. Okay, escape1300:00:48,570 --> 00:00:49,500from poop Central.1400:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,370Is something wrong with the dog1500:00:55,050 --> 00:00:58,980is wrong with my office my dayjob office. Oh, what do you mean1600:00:58,980 --> 00:01:02,760what are our the IT office? Youknow, the dungeon? Yeah, the1700:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,750windows? Of course.1800:01:03,780 --> 00:01:05,550Why would it? Yeah,1900:01:05,700 --> 00:01:10,140it is where three of us reside?It is is Yes. Yesterday2000:01:10,140 --> 00:01:14,370afternoon. Some this lady thatworks there came down stairs she2100:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,610she walks you know, see her walkby and then she's, she's like,2200:01:17,730 --> 00:01:23,670Oh my God. And so I was wejumped up and ran out there. And2300:01:23,700 --> 00:01:28,470there is a lake of sewage in thekitchen. Oh, in the break room.2400:01:28,500 --> 00:01:29,010Oh,2500:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,920and of course it has to fix thatas well. I guess right. To clean2600:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,520up the pump.2700:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,160Yeah. I made myself scarce2800:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,430real quick. Oh, just to be brokeor what happened?2900:01:41,460 --> 00:01:45,780He was backing up. The toilets.were backing up the maintenance3000:01:45,780 --> 00:01:49,230room was back in anything with agrip. Anything with a floor3100:01:49,230 --> 00:01:53,580drain? Ah, it was just thesewage was just coming back up.3200:01:54,060 --> 00:01:58,680Oh, no. Oh, it was horrible. Itwas like, you know, effluent or3300:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,070whatever. And so they were theyhad to like, send everybody3400:02:02,070 --> 00:02:03,810home. Except,3500:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,690like a real hazard. It's ahazard. You know, you can't you3600:02:06,690 --> 00:02:09,000can't have people walking aroundthe poop the poop all the time.3700:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,650That's best. Tell me thateveryone didn't go. Oh, man.3800:02:13,710 --> 00:02:16,410This must have been Larry whotook a huge crap and blocked3900:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,170everyone always says like it wasthat4000:02:19,170 --> 00:02:21,990guy. Yeah, I saw him going inthere with a newspaper.4100:02:22,920 --> 00:02:23,940Must've been Larry.4200:02:25,230 --> 00:02:28,290Of course what the way thathappens. You say the call goes4300:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,570out. Okay, building, you can'tuse the bathrooms in the4400:02:30,570 --> 00:02:35,580building. blockage in the in thething. Send everybody and4500:02:35,580 --> 00:02:39,990everybody you need to go workfrom home. So some percentage of4600:02:39,990 --> 00:02:43,500that let's just say, you know,some single digit percentage of4700:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,870people that are going to workfrom home decide that this is4800:02:45,870 --> 00:02:51,210the day that they've needed. Oh,hey, I need an extra monitor. So4900:02:51,210 --> 00:02:53,880it's just a stream of peoplecoming by. Hey, Emily, I'm5000:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,820leaving to go work from home. Iforgot to tell you my VPN hasn't5100:02:56,820 --> 00:02:58,650been working. Can you? Can youfix that5200:02:58,650 --> 00:03:03,450real quick? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.I need a charger for my laptop.5300:03:04,140 --> 00:03:07,410Charger. Yeah, I've been takingmine home. Can I get an extra?5400:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,590Yeah. Oh, that was fun. Do they5500:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,420ever bribed you though they evertried to bribe you with5600:03:12,420 --> 00:03:14,520something? Just anyone ever doit? Right?5700:03:17,190 --> 00:03:20,850You know, the people who nevercall you the, in that scenario,5800:03:20,850 --> 00:03:23,550you put them in the front of theline. Right? And I liked you a5900:03:23,550 --> 00:03:26,190lot. Now that you're a repeatcustomer getting it back6000:03:26,220 --> 00:03:28,740when Tina and I first gottogether, I taught her a few6100:03:28,740 --> 00:03:31,680tricks about it and how to getexcellent support. She always6200:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,750got excellent support. saystreat them like a guy you want6300:03:36,750 --> 00:03:38,520to date high.6400:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,870That will take you very far.6500:03:43,740 --> 00:03:47,130Even for guys even for guys,it'll work out well. I know I6600:03:47,130 --> 00:03:47,400know.6700:03:48,840 --> 00:03:54,000You made your career out of outof out of being the SIS admins.6800:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,420What do you want to cut like?Attaboy guy?6900:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,790Well, I ran a I was ChiefTechnology Officer for a company7000:04:02,790 --> 00:04:06,150with seven people and eightdifferent offices in five7100:04:06,150 --> 00:04:10,080countries. And I learned realquick how important you in fact,7200:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,250when we acquired a new company,the first thing I do is get it7300:04:14,250 --> 00:04:17,580in there. Get everybody realhappy with laptops and7400:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,600everything. Email addresses. Allof that was tight. Right off the7500:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,240bat. So you felt like you're apart of the organization?7600:04:24,450 --> 00:04:27,600It badass laptops, everything?Yeah, the whole thing like7700:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,920yeah, just everyone. Hi. Oh,that's cool. You know? That's,7800:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,860and then you turn around andsay, Okay, now you're our bitch7900:04:34,950 --> 00:04:35,940to do whatever we say.8000:04:36,810 --> 00:04:41,400Give them watch it like Alrightguys. 80 hour workweeks.8100:04:41,430 --> 00:04:43,890Let's go. Well, you're not theonly company that is working8200:04:43,890 --> 00:04:48,240from home today. Looks like aGoogle if if you're if you're8300:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,970not feeling good about the newsfrom Google. You can work from8400:04:50,970 --> 00:04:54,210home today. Did you see thatnote?8500:04:54,750 --> 00:04:58,050I've got this. I've got it righthere on the printer. A difficult8600:04:58,050 --> 00:05:01,950decision to set us up for thefuture from Sundar Pichai, CEO8700:05:01,950 --> 00:05:04,890of Google and alphabet so theylet 12,000 People go8800:05:04,890 --> 00:05:11,070approximately, which means 1414to 14,000 people. And I just8900:05:11,070 --> 00:05:13,470really liked this at the end tothe Googlers, who are leaving9000:05:13,470 --> 00:05:16,260us. Thank you for working sohard to help people and9100:05:16,260 --> 00:05:18,840businesses everywhere. Yourcontributions have been9200:05:18,840 --> 00:05:22,440invaluable, and we are gratefulfor them. While this transition9300:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,990won't be easy, we're going tosupport employees as they look9400:05:24,990 --> 00:05:32,070for their next opportunity inthe US notice us. Check. I'm9500:05:32,070 --> 00:05:34,770sure many of you will have quitethis. I'm moving past all the9600:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,860nitty gritty. I'm sure many ofyou will have questions and how9700:05:37,860 --> 00:05:41,010we'll move forward. We'll beorganizing a town hall on Monday9800:05:41,100 --> 00:05:43,440yet, like I'd really want to bea part of that. Check your9900:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,380calendar for details. UntilUntil then, please take good10000:05:46,380 --> 00:05:50,070care of yourselves as you absorbthis difficult news. As part of10100:05:50,070 --> 00:05:53,130that, if you're just startingyour workday, please feel free10200:05:53,130 --> 00:05:57,810to work from home today. Whatkind of soy children are working10300:05:57,810 --> 00:05:59,730at Google? Epi I10400:05:59,730 --> 00:06:02,580love that. I know we just firedyou. But10500:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,730feel free to work at home. Buteven if you just even if you10600:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,190just triggered by it, you know,I was like, ah, feel free to10700:06:08,190 --> 00:06:11,670stay home. This is a this is abloodbath, man. It's I think I'm10800:06:11,670 --> 00:06:17,670counting 70,000 tech workers inSilicon Valley, let go in the10900:06:17,670 --> 00:06:19,320past six weeks, I would say11000:06:20,550 --> 00:06:23,310yes, that includes like Amazon,Amazon.11100:06:23,460 --> 00:06:26,880Amazon did a cool thing thatwhile cool, too. They they let11200:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,30018,000 People go and then theydid it again with 18,000 which11300:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,480is a great trick. Because itmight help you no matter how11400:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,540many times you search you cometo you you find 18,000 You'll11500:06:36,540 --> 00:06:38,250never see 36,00011600:06:38,550 --> 00:06:41,220Yeah, it's like Black Rockchanging there are black it was11700:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,160what was that group that changedtheir name does Z or whatever.11800:06:44,340 --> 00:06:51,150Oh no, that was a Academy THEBLACK BLACK BLACK. That wasn't11900:06:51,150 --> 00:06:52,320but now you've confused Black12000:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,780Rock. It's like black. It waslike the mercenary12100:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,480black. Then they became Academythey became Zi Zi12200:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,200unsearchable? Yeah, you justcan't You can't search for two12300:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,250letter letter.12400:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,430What was the black, black black?I can't remember what it was12500:07:08,430 --> 00:07:17,820now. It was a cat like forcedhim the black black shoebox12600:07:17,820 --> 00:07:22,590evolved. Homeless like water,black, black water. Rose12700:07:23,550 --> 00:07:26,160bemrose? No, it's because heisn't mercenary. That's how it12800:07:26,730 --> 00:07:32,370works. By the way we are lit.That means the life item tags12900:07:32,370 --> 00:07:36,630activated. You can hopefully yougot a bat signal on your pod13000:07:36,630 --> 00:07:40,410verse or maybe a podcast addict.I hear that they've got it all13100:07:40,410 --> 00:07:43,410set up in beta. I don't know ifit's in the full release yet.13200:07:43,410 --> 00:07:45,570And of course, you can alwayslisten to us and join in the13300:07:45,570 --> 00:07:49,230chat room on curio caster. Sothat's three and maybe another13400:07:49,230 --> 00:07:51,510one coming soon. Or another twowho knows.13500:07:53,130 --> 00:07:57,660The Google the Google thing. Youknow, it really thought a lot13600:07:57,660 --> 00:08:00,570about this when I saw the I wasalready thinking this way13700:08:00,570 --> 00:08:04,500because I was listening to newmedia show. Right? It was a long13800:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,220conversation they had and itwasn't really clippable but you13900:08:08,220 --> 00:08:10,080know, the best of their theystarted off talking about the14000:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,420Google podcasts shut down.14100:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,530Yeah, I'm ready to talk allabout it when? Whenever14200:08:16,530 --> 00:08:19,410you guys all you guys. Okay.Yeah, I brought a PowerPoint.14300:08:20,190 --> 00:08:22,800But see the Hey, wait14400:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,980a minute, we need that in thelit tag PowerPoint where you can14500:08:26,010 --> 00:08:31,080how you can render the slides aswe as we do this list? Yeah.14600:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,630That will really bring in theaudience.14700:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,500Live chapters, baby, come on, itcan be done.14800:08:38,070 --> 00:08:47,280It's a good idea, isn't it? It'slike, okay, you got me. You14900:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,760know, there's a lot so didn'tdidn't when this thing hit with15000:08:50,790 --> 00:08:54,360with him laying off thesepeople. It really confirmed what15100:08:54,690 --> 00:08:57,030I was already thinking in thisdirection. And then this was15200:08:57,030 --> 00:09:01,290like, oh, yeah, totalconfirmation. The, you know, the15300:09:01,290 --> 00:09:07,500Google podcasts thing is, ismost they removed it from their15400:09:07,500 --> 00:09:11,280search, they remove podcastsfrom their search results, you15500:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,610know, in the immediate end,understandable thought process15600:09:14,610 --> 00:09:17,940was, well, you know, they'regoing to well, they're going to15700:09:17,940 --> 00:09:21,930move all their podcasting stuffover to YouTube. You know,15800:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,030maybe, oh,15900:09:24,180 --> 00:09:26,160let me just tell you no, no,16000:09:26,670 --> 00:09:28,410I don't I don't think so.either. That's what I'm saying16100:09:28,410 --> 00:09:31,590me. I'm like, I'm leaving openthe fact that I could be wrong.16200:09:31,830 --> 00:09:37,710I could be wrong that this theymay be but my, my gut feeling is16300:09:37,710 --> 00:09:43,800that they, here's what I thinkis going going on in inside16400:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,230Google. They have just woken upto the fact that they're about16500:09:49,230 --> 00:09:53,280to get they're about to getpassed by. They're in trouble.16600:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,160And I think they can see it.They they're now you know you16700:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,340have to as a law. Each companythat has a huge market share in16800:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,120a particular industry, the thingyou have to go back to the16900:10:06,120 --> 00:10:13,860Standard Oil example, StandardOil at any point during, within,17000:10:13,890 --> 00:10:18,210you know, 10 years from the timethat they that they went down,17100:10:19,020 --> 00:10:21,450you could say, oh my god,they're in just a dominant17200:10:21,450 --> 00:10:25,290position. But their dominantposition was in kerosene. That17300:10:25,290 --> 00:10:29,220was their big product. And theyowned that market to the tune of17400:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,38090 plus percent market share inthe kerosene market. But then17500:10:34,380 --> 00:10:39,750gasoline became the thing whencars, when cars began to be17600:10:39,780 --> 00:10:44,910rolled out in mass. They werenot prepared to transition. They17700:10:44,940 --> 00:10:49,020they made a, they made amiscalculation, and thought that17800:10:49,020 --> 00:10:54,390gasoline was not going to be asbig of a thing. And, of course,17900:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,210in retrospect, that was theworst possible decision they18000:10:57,210 --> 00:11:01,590could have made. And they wentfrom literally, you know,18100:11:01,620 --> 00:11:05,520historically speaking, adjustedfor inflation, JD Rockefeller18200:11:05,520 --> 00:11:12,120was the richest man that's everlived. That, you know, in the so18300:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,030called Modern Era, I mean, youknow, who knows an all time but18400:11:15,810 --> 00:11:22,200that we can think that we candocument to being a company, I18500:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,540know that we're broken up as amonopoly, but that was that was18600:11:24,540 --> 00:11:27,690on there, or they were alreadydying. When that process18700:11:27,690 --> 00:11:32,400happened. They got they gotrocked by a miscalculation in18800:11:32,400 --> 00:11:32,820the market.18900:11:32,850 --> 00:11:35,130And what would you say, isGoogle's miscalculation in this19000:11:35,130 --> 00:11:35,580case?19100:11:36,660 --> 00:11:40,950I don't, I'm not. It's aIrelated. But I'm not going to19200:11:40,950 --> 00:11:46,530say that it's aI itself. I thinkthat it's, it's the it is the19300:11:46,530 --> 00:11:52,530fact that they've, their searchis still based on that, you ask19400:11:52,530 --> 00:11:57,090a question, and we give you abunch of links. They they19500:11:57,090 --> 00:12:03,900missed? Like, let me, let me laythis out real quick. If you if19600:12:03,900 --> 00:12:08,130you think about what's happenedover the last 20 years of, you19700:12:08,130 --> 00:12:13,590know, tech disruption, and cloudbased software 99% of the19800:12:13,590 --> 00:12:19,830software, that that is, quote,unquote, disrupted the market in19900:12:19,830 --> 00:12:24,210any particular vertical market.Most of that software didn't do20000:12:24,210 --> 00:12:29,100new things. It just what it didwas it took like a lot, and a20100:12:29,100 --> 00:12:31,950lot of times the software, theon premise software, it was20200:12:31,950 --> 00:12:36,690replacing the cloud version didway less. It didn't do even a20300:12:36,690 --> 00:12:41,490fraction of what the theentrenched incumbent on prem20400:12:41,490 --> 00:12:46,980software application did. Theproblem was the earth excuse me,20500:12:46,980 --> 00:12:50,790the way that they sold it andgot the disruption was, yeah, it20600:12:50,790 --> 00:12:54,810was cloud based and didn't relyon on on prem expertise, but,20700:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,770but a lot of it was sort ofsmoke and mirrors with the UI.20800:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,420So they would take a complexthing. And they would design the20900:13:03,420 --> 00:13:08,190UI where it was very simplistic.And it was full of charts and21000:13:08,190 --> 00:13:11,190pretty things and that kind ofstuff. They removed a lot of the21100:13:11,190 --> 00:13:15,150clutter of old on prem, likeWindows based software, it was21200:13:15,150 --> 00:13:19,200just full of menus and radiobuttons and clit and sub menus21300:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,050and preference panes and allthis kind of stuff. They took21400:13:22,050 --> 00:13:25,470all that away. And you just hadthis very simplistic Flat UI21500:13:25,470 --> 00:13:28,590there was like, Okay, I want todo one, I want to do this thing,21600:13:28,680 --> 00:13:32,040click a button, get a report.And that's like all I did. And21700:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,280it couldn't do 50 of the otherthings, the entrench software21800:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,880could. That's really I think,what's at the heart of what's21900:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,380about to happen here is thatGoogle is still based on this.22000:13:43,410 --> 00:13:48,060If you look at the Google searchresults page, it's a mess. And22100:13:48,060 --> 00:13:52,050it's an it's a nerdy mess. Mostpeople really don't understand22200:13:52,050 --> 00:13:56,400what's going on on 90% of thatpage. But then you put Chad GPT22300:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,950in front of them, and Chappie.GPT. is terrible. But it gives22400:14:01,950 --> 00:14:05,820you the experience that's like,I plug this thing in and it22500:14:05,820 --> 00:14:09,630gives me an answer. That rightthere alone, even if the and I22600:14:09,630 --> 00:14:15,480don't know if you saw this,somebody posted a a back and22700:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,720forth they had with chat GPtendency this you post with a22800:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,120plus 10 equals 25. I didn't seethat one. Okay, so they said22900:14:24,450 --> 00:14:28,680they said 10 plus 10 equals 25.And championship. GPT23000:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,010respondents said no, no, itequals 20. And they said no year23100:14:32,010 --> 00:14:35,040in a row. They responded back tochat. GPT said, No, you're23200:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,710mistaken. 10 plus 10 Does itdoes equal 25. And Chad GPT23300:14:40,710 --> 00:14:44,220responded said Oh, my apologies.Yes, you're right. 10 plus 1023400:14:44,220 --> 00:14:48,720does equal 25. And then it beganto argue with Chad GPT began to23500:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,800argue with the person trying toprove that it actually does23600:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,630equal 25. This thing is acomplete farce. It's a mess, but23700:14:57,630 --> 00:15:02,310it gives you the experience itgives you A UI experience that23800:15:02,310 --> 00:15:05,640can blow it they can overnightblow some something like Google23900:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,570out of the water that's why theyif you look at this difficult24000:15:09,570 --> 00:15:12,270decision to set us up for thefuture which is the title of the24100:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,910memo memo the year that he sentout a the words AI are all over24200:15:17,910 --> 00:15:21,390this. He mentions AI like sixtimes this is24300:15:21,930 --> 00:15:25,230that's just in my mind abyproduct of what's happening.24400:15:25,290 --> 00:15:30,630And I warned for this a yearago. First of all, if you've24500:15:30,630 --> 00:15:35,040noticed, the United Statesgovernment is out everywhere24600:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,760saying all Tik Tok is bad ticktock is bad. China's spying on24700:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,200us. Yeah, okay. Like the onlyapp in the App Store that is24800:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,420spying on us is tick tock, okay.No, tick tock is eating their24900:15:48,420 --> 00:15:53,010lunch. I look at the numbers andlook at all of the advertising.25000:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,310It's going to tick tock, that'swhere the audience is gone.25100:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,820They're also going there forsearch. So they're not they're25200:15:59,820 --> 00:16:03,630not. And we could talk aboutchat GPT I don't think it's I25300:16:03,630 --> 00:16:06,360think it's a complete dud. Andit's not it's not the core25400:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,530problem. The core problem iswhen people are looking for out25500:16:10,530 --> 00:16:12,960I'll give an example of of mylittle town here,25600:16:12,990 --> 00:16:17,940Fredericksburg, Texas. Insteadof going to Google and saying,25700:16:17,970 --> 00:16:22,110what's a great restaurant inFredericksburg, Texas. They're25800:16:22,110 --> 00:16:25,230going on tick tock and sayingwhat's the great restaurant in25900:16:25,230 --> 00:16:28,320Fredericksburg, Texas andthey'll see a tick tock video of26000:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,230some people go look at this coolphone. It was so great, boom,26100:16:31,230 --> 00:16:35,130boom, boom by Dance, dance. Andthey'll go to that restaurant.26200:16:36,270 --> 00:16:40,470It is it is in effect, in a wayalso a decentralization of26300:16:40,470 --> 00:16:45,570Google's search role. People arefinding more value in in26400:16:45,900 --> 00:16:48,810recommendations from otherpeople and the finding on Tik26500:16:48,810 --> 00:16:54,030Tok the ad money is going totick tock so what Google and26600:16:54,060 --> 00:16:58,680meta have done is they havetheir lobbyists have solicited26700:16:58,710 --> 00:17:05,280the incredible help of severalsenators and representatives in26800:17:05,310 --> 00:17:09,330in the US government. Hawley isone of them. Marco Rubio, Rubio26900:17:09,330 --> 00:17:14,640was one of them. Of course, he'son the on the security, the27000:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,000Senate security oversightcommittee or whatever. So it27100:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,970sounds real official, nothingcould be further from the truth.27200:17:21,690 --> 00:17:25,260There's campaign funds flowingeverywhere, get rid of tick tock27300:17:25,260 --> 00:17:29,250so instead of competing, like areal American company, should,27400:17:29,490 --> 00:17:32,520they are getting rid of themthis way. And so firstly, the27500:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,790government couldn't load the TICtock app, and now the University27600:17:35,790 --> 00:17:38,790of Texas and it's just gonna goon. And so they're all in on it.27700:17:38,790 --> 00:17:41,850And again, they're getting paidoff. It's pathetic. So that's27800:17:41,850 --> 00:17:49,170one, two, we are about to gointo a five to 10 year. Real,27900:17:49,650 --> 00:17:53,040I'll just call it a recessionfor technology. And that's28000:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,200because we kicked the can downthe road from 2008 2009. And now28100:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,310we have coops There we go,interest rates are going up,28200:18:02,370 --> 00:18:07,290they'll go near 5% 6%. The freemoney is over. This is what I28300:18:07,290 --> 00:18:12,150kept saying last year, the freemoney is over. So what you saw28400:18:12,150 --> 00:18:17,970with Google podcast, they areevaluating everything. I have28500:18:17,970 --> 00:18:22,500been I just talked about I ran abig company, 700 employees, and28600:18:22,500 --> 00:18:27,570we were public. And if we weregoing to miss our numbers, you28700:18:27,570 --> 00:18:30,930have to reduce cost, what is thebiggest cost and every in every28800:18:30,930 --> 00:18:33,720organization? Number one is topof the list. One is payroll28900:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,650payroll. Exactly. So they cutpayroll. And they also looked at29000:18:37,650 --> 00:18:41,070what business is making money.Well, I guarantee you podcasting29100:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,820makes no money for them. Becauseit's a farce. It's never really29200:18:44,820 --> 00:18:49,260been a huge moneymaker. It's alie. I've kept saying this. It29300:18:49,260 --> 00:18:55,020is just not true. So Oh, yeah.You know, they're just removing.29400:18:55,470 --> 00:18:59,100I think podcasts, Googlepodcasts YouTube podcast is29500:18:59,100 --> 00:19:02,280going away. They they're notgoing to mess with it. There's29600:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,540no money in it. Apple is notgoing to do an app for Android.29700:19:06,690 --> 00:19:10,890And why anyone in the podcastingindustry would say, Come on29800:19:10,890 --> 00:19:15,360Apple, do an android version.Why are you so rude? We have29900:19:15,420 --> 00:19:20,160fantastic apps for Android.Don't be rude. Don't be sucking30000:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,130these guys off. They've donenothing, nothing for you30100:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,700nothing. They're not yourfriends. They don't care. They30200:19:26,700 --> 00:19:35,490just don't care. So we have thatthe decentralization I think is30300:19:35,490 --> 00:19:39,300an important thing that's takingplace peep and it's a little30400:19:39,300 --> 00:19:43,260more nuanced than I'm runninghumble at home. It truly is.30500:19:43,260 --> 00:19:46,620People are finding differentways to communicate different30600:19:46,620 --> 00:19:50,220ways to Mastodon is a very goodexample of this and I think Elon30700:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,790Musk also underestimated whatwhat happened. But what's even30800:19:53,790 --> 00:19:56,670more beautiful than justMastodon taking place and people30900:19:56,670 --> 00:20:00,480moving away from Twitter toMastodon is the journal lists31000:20:00,510 --> 00:20:05,040are being shunned. The journalAI there's a really good article31100:20:05,070 --> 00:20:10,950let me just pick it up realquick. journalists want to31200:20:10,950 --> 00:20:15,660recreate Twitter on MastodonMastodon is not into it. This31300:20:16,350 --> 00:20:21,720saw this from CJR, which is the,you know, the journalism people.31400:20:22,500 --> 00:20:26,040And you know, so journalists arenow realizing, oh, wait a31500:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,700minute, we have no power. Wedon't have the power that we had31600:20:29,700 --> 00:20:33,480no, the people are taking backthe power, and are using that to31700:20:33,480 --> 00:20:39,120their own benefit. That's whythey're not near we don't feel31800:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,450like we have to be pigeonholedinto into Google Search to get31900:20:42,450 --> 00:20:46,710answers. All of this is goingaway towards the edges. But the32000:20:46,710 --> 00:20:52,740main thing is, there's just nomoney. So we see the Google32100:20:53,430 --> 00:20:58,680podcast creator program, thebipoc, creator program, all of32200:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,430these things that was just icingon the cake for a corporation to32300:21:02,430 --> 00:21:05,940score brownie points, it's done.Well, we don't we don't have32400:21:05,940 --> 00:21:09,330that free money anymore.Anything that is not wildly32500:21:09,330 --> 00:21:14,700profitable. Hello, Spotify is inbig trouble, big trouble. That's32600:21:14,700 --> 00:21:18,450why you see Spotify come outwith the, you know, Apple,32700:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,660Apple, you're harmful. You'reanti competitive, you're ruining32800:21:21,660 --> 00:21:26,760our business. No, you have nobusiness. And, and I'm just32900:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,660going to finish it up. Whyanyone thinks that they're going33000:21:30,660 --> 00:21:35,280to make money. By being onSpotify, you should talk to a33100:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,450musician once in a while. How'sthat working out? That's all33200:21:39,450 --> 00:21:42,900corrupt. They're all the recordcompanies that got stuck in33300:21:42,900 --> 00:21:47,460Spotify, they bailed out when itwas $300. They sold, they don't33400:21:47,460 --> 00:21:51,120care. They don't care, they getblanket license, that's also33500:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,580going to change, you're notgoing to see while they're33600:21:53,580 --> 00:21:57,210probably stuck in some of thesebig sports streaming deals. But33700:21:57,210 --> 00:22:02,010you're not going to see the bigblanket license covering all33800:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,250music anymore it this becausethat's how they do it. Why can33900:22:05,250 --> 00:22:09,420you play music and have it onYouTube? Why can you do that on34000:22:09,690 --> 00:22:14,010on tick tock, because they'vepurchased blanket licenses, all34100:22:14,010 --> 00:22:17,370of the the whole structure isfalling apart because of the34200:22:17,370 --> 00:22:21,510free money train being over. Andit could be five years, it could34300:22:21,510 --> 00:22:25,920be 10 years, and now is the timenow is the time to hunker down,34400:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,200create some cool shit, and justwork as lean and thinly as you34500:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,520can to get by and I am so happy.And in fact, I'm proud of what34600:22:35,520 --> 00:22:41,280we've done with podcasting 2.0Because not only do we have an34700:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,920alternative, where people candevelop new places, new34800:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,530experiences, you know, there canbe innovation, which you're not34900:22:46,530 --> 00:22:49,080going to get, you're not goingto get innovation from Silicon35000:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,350Valley in something that isn'twildly profitable. And it's just35100:22:52,350 --> 00:22:55,320not they know it. That's whyApple never really did much.35200:22:55,350 --> 00:22:59,670That's why they're promotingtheir, their subscriptions,35300:23:00,030 --> 00:23:03,150which, of course, it's a drop inthe bucket, but you know, I can35400:23:03,150 --> 00:23:06,210see where it's working for them.And people like getting the35500:23:06,210 --> 00:23:09,540attention that, you know, theApple iTunes or the Apple35600:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,120podcast app will give you, youknow, oh, we're promoting all of35700:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,990the things that we make moneyon, basically. So now is the35800:23:15,990 --> 00:23:19,410time to hunker down and buildyour community and build your35900:23:19,410 --> 00:23:23,970experiences. And it's going tobe a great ride for people who36000:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,720aren't reliant on just abenefactors and and sugar daddy36100:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,930showing up. That's all over, Ithink you're going to see a lot36200:23:33,930 --> 00:23:37,440of things fall apart. Not and Ihate to say the companies are36300:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,260going to fall apart because Ithink, in general, the podcast36400:23:40,260 --> 00:23:43,860hosting business is, is nicelydecentralized, we have a very36500:23:43,860 --> 00:23:47,340nice mix. So we can we can loseone or two. And I don't want36600:23:47,340 --> 00:23:51,120anything to close. But it'sgoing to be skin of the teeth36700:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,300time, no doubt about it. And I'mvery happy that we've built36800:23:54,300 --> 00:23:59,310this. This community outside ofSilicon Valley, we don't have to36900:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,850be begging anybody to doanything for us.37000:24:03,840 --> 00:24:10,320But podcasting. Podcasting islike good podcasting to a37100:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,850company like Google, in this, Ithink is more general. It kind37200:24:14,850 --> 00:24:18,840of applies across the board.Podcasting, it took me like37300:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,770Google is like Google Reader isto a company like Google. Sure.37400:24:22,770 --> 00:24:26,280It's just an add on. There's noThere's no, they're never37500:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,840they're in business. There's nomoney there. Their37600:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,650business is search advertisingperiod, right. briary.37700:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,560Sir, their business is search assearch ads. The search market in37800:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,990general is weakening. You cansee that their ad read search ad37900:24:42,990 --> 00:24:48,060revenue is also beginning to getshaky because on the security38000:24:48,060 --> 00:24:53,070side of things, a thing we'vebeen seeing for the past on the38100:24:53,070 --> 00:24:58,530cybersecurity front for thepast, not same month or so.38200:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,220There's been a lot of Talk inthe security community about38300:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,880malicious ads, they're beginningto become more and more common38400:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,050in Google Search. They're notpolicing the quality or the38500:25:10,050 --> 00:25:14,160security and safety of the ofthe search ads. So you can38600:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,700journey and38700:25:14,700 --> 00:25:18,120suitability and safetiessuitability in there.38800:25:18,630 --> 00:25:22,380So you go on any given day, yougo and do a Google search for38900:25:22,380 --> 00:25:27,270something like notepad plusplus, or some calm or seven zip,39000:25:27,360 --> 00:25:27,990or saw,39100:25:28,410 --> 00:25:31,080and you get some download thatis going to ruin your day.39200:25:31,350 --> 00:25:36,210That used to never happen withGoogle search. Now, you're you39300:25:36,210 --> 00:25:40,110are, you are some percentagelikely only have in any given39400:25:40,110 --> 00:25:43,650day to get a malicious searchad. And the fact that they're39500:25:43,650 --> 00:25:49,350allowing that through, it meansthat something is shaky. And39600:25:49,380 --> 00:25:55,680that that, again, tells me theirfocus. Well, here's what here's39700:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,280what his Mimosa says, we'veundertaken a rigorous review39800:25:59,310 --> 00:26:02,070across product areas andfunctions to ensure that our39900:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,670people and roles are alignedwith our highest priorities as a40000:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,510company. The roles wereeliminating reflected the40100:26:09,510 --> 00:26:13,800outcome of that review, they cutacross alphabet product areas,40200:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,140functions, levels and regions.That this is this is him saying,40300:26:19,590 --> 00:26:24,270we are getting rid of anythingthat we feel like is not core?40400:26:24,810 --> 00:26:27,960We're not we're not even wedon't give we don't care to two40500:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,260cents about that. Correct. Ifyou think as a if you're a40600:26:31,260 --> 00:26:36,030podcast and industrial complex,you know, participant and youth40700:26:36,030 --> 00:26:38,580and your what your thoughtprocess has been is oh, well,40800:26:38,580 --> 00:26:40,350there's gonna be they're justgonna, they're taking Google40900:26:40,350 --> 00:26:43,020podcasts. They're gonna stick itover here, they're gonna move it41000:26:43,020 --> 00:26:47,010over to YouTube, there's gonnabe a podcast tab and the YouTube41100:26:47,010 --> 00:26:52,260app, you're gonna be able to goget podcasts like I may eat41200:26:52,260 --> 00:26:55,230these words, but I don't thinkthat will ever happen. I think41300:26:55,230 --> 00:26:58,860what's gonna happen YouTube'spodcast quote unquote, strategy41400:26:59,250 --> 00:27:03,330probably comes down to thischerry pick successful shows41500:27:03,330 --> 00:27:06,600like Joe Rogan, when it'spossible to get these shows back41600:27:06,630 --> 00:27:10,770did a video based get them backon YouTube? And that's it.41700:27:11,220 --> 00:27:12,150That's naked.41800:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720You're absolutely right, youactually look at the page, what41900:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,780you don't see is a nice page ofalbum art that people have spent42000:27:18,780 --> 00:27:22,920a lot of time on. Because theydon't exist for the shows. None42100:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,180of these are podcasts. A podcasthas album art. The album art is42200:27:27,180 --> 00:27:30,870the brand of the show. Youexpect you go to a podcast page42300:27:30,870 --> 00:27:35,070you're going to see album art ofof shows or brands that you42400:27:35,070 --> 00:27:40,800recognize No, no, you're seeingscreenshots of Oh, Episode 500042500:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,950with the guy with the mouthopened by Samuel with the hair42600:27:43,950 --> 00:27:50,370crazy. That that's what YouTubedoes. And, and I think you're42700:27:50,370 --> 00:27:54,960going to see YouTube also. I'mnot so sure YouTube is wildly42800:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,870profitable. I'm not so sureabout that. It's a very42900:27:57,870 --> 00:28:00,330expensive, very expensive area,what43000:28:00,330 --> 00:28:01,320they're doing very expensive,43100:28:01,350 --> 00:28:06,090the processing the serving,which is also why video has43200:28:06,090 --> 00:28:09,420never really made it inpodcasting. And that's not that43300:28:09,420 --> 00:28:12,510it hasn't been possible, Ithought always makes me laugh43400:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,900was that we we've been doing avideo on this new media show43500:28:15,900 --> 00:28:20,670podcasts for 1314 years. But ifyou go to blueberry, you can't43600:28:20,700 --> 00:28:25,140you can't get any package thatwill allow you to transfer video43700:28:25,290 --> 00:28:27,720because it's too expensive. Theycan't make money off of it.43800:28:28,290 --> 00:28:33,300YouTube was free video. That'sthat's their trick. That's43900:28:33,300 --> 00:28:37,290ending. I'm telling you, it'sall going to end and this is a44000:28:37,290 --> 00:28:42,240beautiful time for us. It isgoing to be so fun, so creative.44100:28:42,270 --> 00:28:45,960It's going to be scrappy, likethat, like it was any different44200:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,410but it's going to be scrappy,and there's just the Eve I think44300:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,300even the we'll see conferencesscaled down significantly44400:28:54,450 --> 00:28:57,720because that's another one ofthose you know, oh yeah, we got44500:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,750a budget here for theconferences. Well, after you've44600:29:00,750 --> 00:29:04,530cut down people the next thingyou do is travel and then you go44700:29:04,530 --> 00:29:06,930to all the extraneous stuff.What are we doing with44800:29:06,930 --> 00:29:09,810conferences? Well we're stillspending 30 grand on this44900:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,930podcast conference 50 grand overhere Yeah, cut that out right45000:29:12,930 --> 00:29:14,550away what's the ROI45100:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,380keep an eye on traditional cuton like a podcast keep an eye on45200:29:19,380 --> 00:29:23,340companies that in the that theirname always showed up as a as a45300:29:23,340 --> 00:29:28,290sponsor of of whatever podcastconference and what and see if45400:29:28,380 --> 00:29:33,000see their names disappear onyour sponsorship list that that45500:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,850that will happen that I mean asyour rice scrap it's gonna be45600:29:35,850 --> 00:29:39,240scrappy but scrappy in like a ina good way and a good one for45700:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,920reals way not not in Oh, Ihappen to just you know, you45800:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800know, somebody just fell, youknow, tripped over their wallet45900:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,180and threw a million dollars atme like a scrappy in a way46000:29:51,180 --> 00:29:54,180where, where the money, thefunding and that kind of thing46100:29:54,180 --> 00:30:00,420is coming from from it's comingto groups, apps and hosting Post46200:30:00,420 --> 00:30:04,740this stuff like that, that havelegitimate products, and it can46300:30:04,740 --> 00:30:05,760change the market. Yeah.46400:30:05,790 --> 00:30:09,000And I think right now is a goodtime. If you're serious if look,46500:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,970if you just want a podcast foryour group for your community46600:30:11,970 --> 00:30:16,650for your, your boy scout troopfor your church, whatever it is,46700:30:16,890 --> 00:30:22,740and it's not a it's not a anincome generating thing you're46800:30:22,740 --> 00:30:25,770doing necessarily, which isstill the majority of people who46900:30:25,770 --> 00:30:28,710podcast we've gotten into this.You gotta make money gotta grow47000:30:28,710 --> 00:30:32,490the show. No, not necessarily. Idon't want to grow the show47100:30:32,490 --> 00:30:35,820bigger than the My community is,you know, it's like, that's very47200:30:35,820 --> 00:30:44,280dependent upon what you're usingit for. The the I see all the47300:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,900reports, you know, and you'reresponsible for most of the bad47400:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,200news. Oh, no, oh, my God, nomore new shows have been47500:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,890created. What's happening? Wehave no more. We're not growing.47600:30:55,890 --> 00:31:00,540We're stagnant. Of course, ofcourse. And this is a great time47700:31:00,540 --> 00:31:05,010to start something. Oh, becausepeople are not there is no47800:31:05,010 --> 00:31:08,910promise anymore of money. It'sit really has never been there.47900:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760Unless you are minority groupbecause that's what it was the48000:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,170podcast industrial complex, inin general, was spending money48100:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,390on minority groups to check abox.48200:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,570Yeah, as a tool as a totally48300:31:21,570 --> 00:31:24,570as a tool under the guise ofthere's not enough diverse48400:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,620voices. Well, the diverse voicesare out there, they can start.48500:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,820It's not hard to start, but Iguess we needed to programs for48600:31:32,820 --> 00:31:36,510that. So that's, that's allgoing by the wayside. The48700:31:36,510 --> 00:31:43,920$200,000, episode, consultants.I see you on LinkedIn. It's48800:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,570$5,000. Now if that overnightthat change, it was a farce, the48900:31:48,570 --> 00:31:52,710whole thing was built on a houseof cards, and bullshit. Now the49000:31:52,710 --> 00:31:57,420core of podcasting, it's solidrock solid, we're a part of49100:31:57,420 --> 00:32:02,250that. It's going to befantastic. If you really are49200:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,820making a great product thatpeople care about growing your49300:32:05,820 --> 00:32:11,310show is bullshit. You know,discovery is bullshit. All of49400:32:11,310 --> 00:32:13,350that. I'm just gonna say onemore thing. It's just bullshit.49500:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,940Show title. Bullshit. There yougo. Let's bring in the guy who I49600:32:20,940 --> 00:32:24,660think is doing a very good jobof all of this. He is no49700:32:25,410 --> 00:32:28,140what is it? Oh, gotta go.49800:32:28,290 --> 00:32:41,340I said no, I'm like, Okay. Boot.Where's that boutique? He is. He49900:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,720is in the United Kingdom. He isknown as the developer of the50000:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,060fountain app. Please. Welcomeback to the boardroom. Ladies50100:32:48,060 --> 00:32:50,670and gentlemen, the HonorableOscar Marais.50200:32:51,690 --> 00:32:54,120Hey guys. How's it going? Hey,Oscar.50300:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,820Now you're all pumped aboutpodcasting after that opening?50400:32:57,570 --> 00:32:59,640Oh, yeah. More pumped than everafter that.50500:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,330It's all it's all going down asflaming is in flames. Yeah, that50600:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,910Led Zeppelin is going over nowbuild an app50700:33:09,150 --> 00:33:13,290when it comes to podcasting 2.0apps that are value for value,50800:33:13,290 --> 00:33:15,810which of course, it's not a faircomparison, because we have a50900:33:15,810 --> 00:33:19,560number of great apps that do nothave streaming sites in their51000:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,500you have planted has constantlybeen been on top, usually by51100:33:25,530 --> 00:33:33,030quite a stretch. And, and a lotof innovation. The most51200:33:33,030 --> 00:33:35,340interesting thing to me, I thinkwe talked about it on the last51300:33:35,340 --> 00:33:38,430board meeting is this activitystream that you that you've put51400:33:38,430 --> 00:33:42,420in, this has blown me away.Because I'm I'm looking at this,51500:33:42,420 --> 00:33:46,770I'm like, hey, these guys arecommenting on this podcast. And51600:33:46,770 --> 00:33:50,250I see friends of mine, andthere's a boost there. I'm now51700:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,210using this activity stream tofind new things to listen to.51800:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,550It's it's really discovery. It'sdiscovery. It's genius. And51900:33:59,550 --> 00:34:03,600finally, there is a new podcast.I don't want to say that no one52000:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,810has that has innovation. Butthis is a very, very nice new52100:34:09,810 --> 00:34:14,820podcasting experience. I open upthe app, it doesn't show me what52200:34:14,820 --> 00:34:18,240I haven't listened to or howmany podcasts are unlisted,52300:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,270which is a horrible feeling.Whenever I see that on Oh, man,52400:34:21,270 --> 00:34:25,590I'm so behind. It shows me allthis stuff. And I think these52500:34:25,590 --> 00:34:28,140are this is the direction thatwe need to go in and and I'd52600:34:28,140 --> 00:34:31,440like you to just bring us up tospeed on the new version of the52700:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,110app and what you've done and howit's working out.52800:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,910Yeah, sure. I'll give anoverview. And yeah, great to52900:34:38,910 --> 00:34:42,780hear that. Adam. Is thatdefinitely the intention with53000:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,090the feature. But yeah, let mejust give a quick overview. So53100:34:45,090 --> 00:34:49,170we launched fountain naughtpoint six, a couple of weeks53200:34:49,170 --> 00:34:53,910ago, which included two bigfeatures. One is the Fiat on53300:34:53,910 --> 00:34:57,300ramp, and now you can top upyour wallet with Apple Pay or53400:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,210Google Pay, which we think isreally If53500:35:01,709 --> 00:35:04,259you can top up with Apple Payand Google Pay,53600:35:04,859 --> 00:35:07,859yeah, you can talk about withApple Pay directly in the app.53700:35:08,519 --> 00:35:09,089Wow.53800:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,610Well, I don't have apple. Butyou can do that with Google as53900:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,160well. Yeah. Hmm. Well, I'm onsome funky old grass, you know.54000:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520So I probably don't count inthat regard. I didn't know that.54100:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,830That's okay. Wow, that's big.54200:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,850Yeah. So that we think that'sreally important just for it54300:35:26,850 --> 00:35:32,160means that you can receive yourfirst set into the fountain app54400:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,400into your wallet withoutactually having to really leave54500:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,500the app. Obviously, you pay viaMoon pay, right? Through54600:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,520WebView. But you're still withinthe app. So you can just buy54700:35:44,580 --> 00:35:47,970your first sets in the app. Butyeah, so we're really excited54800:35:47,970 --> 00:35:50,580about that. And I'm happy totalk more about the onboarding,54900:35:50,580 --> 00:35:53,340which I think last time I wason, I mentioned was like the55000:35:53,340 --> 00:35:56,550biggest challenge that I saw,yeah, on the activity stuff.55100:35:57,630 --> 00:36:03,210Essentially, the activity feednow, which is on the homescreen55200:36:03,240 --> 00:36:09,360of the fountain app shows youall of the activity from the55300:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,440people that you follow onfountain. And this is primarily55400:36:14,100 --> 00:36:19,020drawn from the booths. So forexample, if I follow you, Adam,55500:36:19,230 --> 00:36:23,730on fountain, and you send aboost to either an episode or a55600:36:23,730 --> 00:36:28,050show, I will see that in myactivity feed along with the55700:36:28,050 --> 00:36:31,740message. And then as well asjust and what I'll see55800:36:31,740 --> 00:36:35,610underneath that is the actualepisode, content card or the55900:36:35,610 --> 00:36:39,390show content card. So hereallows me to actually straight56000:36:39,390 --> 00:36:43,950away just go and play thatepisode, I can also reply to the56100:36:43,950 --> 00:36:49,080booze or like the boost and sendus some stats for that comment.56200:36:49,380 --> 00:36:53,280And then the activity feed isalso integrated with our56300:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,490clipping features. So forexample, if you created a clip56400:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,680of an episode, I would also seethat clip in my activity feed.56500:37:02,010 --> 00:37:07,020So it's just a way for you todiscover what people you're56600:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,690following are listening toeffectively and what they're56700:37:09,690 --> 00:37:13,920finding valuable. I think, youknow, we've been really pleased56800:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,500with the way it's been workingover the past couple of weeks.56900:37:16,500 --> 00:37:19,650Because obviously, it's onething to come up with this idea,57000:37:19,650 --> 00:37:23,640but it's actually been workingand you see somebody send a57100:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,570boost to a show that you'venever heard of before. And you57200:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,790to be honest, you're probablynot going to go and subscribe to57300:37:29,790 --> 00:37:33,990that feed, or you know, add itto your library. But maybe the57400:37:33,990 --> 00:37:36,690episode is interesting enoughthat you'll go and listen to,57500:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,420you know, half of it, and thenyou know about that show, and57600:37:39,420 --> 00:37:42,210then you can recommend it forsomeone else. So I think yeah,57700:37:42,210 --> 00:37:46,800that that boosts and theSatoshis that go along with it.57800:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,540Using that as a discovery signalfor what content is worth57900:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,840listening to, I think is isreally powerful. And that's what58000:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,290we've we've tried to surface inthe activity feed.58100:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,400Can I can I pay you to show upin that activity and that58200:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,750activity feed for everybody?58300:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,010Yeah, exactly. So we also haveour promotions. So as a58400:38:08,010 --> 00:38:13,470podcaster, you can, you don'tactually pay while you do you58500:38:13,470 --> 00:38:16,560pay to appear in the activityfee. But the way that promotions58600:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,970work is you're not paying forimpressions. So you're not58700:38:20,970 --> 00:38:25,410actually paying to be in thefeed, you only pay out when58800:38:25,410 --> 00:38:28,560people listen to your content.And that's all done with58900:38:28,590 --> 00:38:31,530streaming stats in the oppositedirection. So if I wanted to59000:38:31,530 --> 00:38:36,780promote my show, I could justsay I want to set max at 500059100:38:36,780 --> 00:38:40,950for this episode, streams perminute in the other direction59200:38:40,980 --> 00:38:44,460and people can kind of listenthere. So yeah, that's that's59300:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,170how you can promote your show onPhantom.59400:38:47,130 --> 00:38:51,300So I can't go around the systemand buy that from you directly.59500:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,290Yeah, you can stay safe. You canbuy by promotion, you can59600:38:58,290 --> 00:39:00,690promote your show from withinthe fountain app with a credit59700:39:00,690 --> 00:39:04,680card without pay as well. WithinYeah, okay.59800:39:05,220 --> 00:39:07,830Good call on Apple Pay, by theway. Yeah. And Google Pay59900:39:07,830 --> 00:39:10,800because that gets that sort ofgets you in the good graces60000:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,380because they want you to youknow, they want you to use Apple60100:39:13,380 --> 00:39:16,320Pay. Because then you don't haveto think it tell me if I'm60200:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,400wrong. I think the way that itworks is if you use Apple Pay,60300:39:20,730 --> 00:39:23,550you don't have to do this 30 Youdon't have to give Apple to 30%60400:39:23,550 --> 00:39:24,000Cut.60500:39:25,470 --> 00:39:29,910Yeah, exactly. We don't have togive them the cut on Apple Pay60600:39:29,940 --> 00:39:34,080we do for our premiumsubscription, but not for those60700:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,040one off purchases.60800:39:35,490 --> 00:39:39,060Well, that's a great way to doit. And it gets you in the sort60900:39:39,060 --> 00:39:42,660of good graces of of Apple andGoogle by going through their61000:39:42,660 --> 00:39:46,290payment system. You know, sortof kinda gets you off their back61100:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,330a little bit, you know, likegets them off your back.61200:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,730I wouldn't count on it. Well,61300:39:51,750 --> 00:39:55,890not forever. It's not there'snothing against there's nothing61400:39:55,890 --> 00:40:00,870against the astral rules forhaving you know, Bitcoin61500:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,580payments and that kind of thingin there. I mean, that's,61600:40:02,610 --> 00:40:07,020that's, that's not against therules, but everybody is nervous61700:40:07,020 --> 00:40:10,740about it. And then But then ifyou integrate with Apple Pay and61800:40:10,740 --> 00:40:13,620that kind of thing, you're,you're doing what they are what61900:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,200they are, you're going a routethat they want you to go, I62000:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,630guess is what I'm trying to say.Yeah. So that's, that gives you62100:40:18,630 --> 00:40:22,860a little bit of I'm not sayinglike cover, but it, you're62200:40:22,860 --> 00:40:26,730you're you're being a goodcitizen of their ecosystem in62300:40:26,730 --> 00:40:28,680their eyes. Is that fair?62400:40:29,910 --> 00:40:33,330Yeah, I think more with thepremium subscription using their62500:40:33,330 --> 00:40:37,410in app purchases, I think thatcovers I saw a lot more than62600:40:37,410 --> 00:40:41,310Apple Pay. I mean, because, youknow, essentially, we are, you62700:40:41,310 --> 00:40:45,810know, paying Apple every month30% of what we make on that. So,62800:40:45,810 --> 00:40:48,840you know, we're, we're providingthem with a revenue stream. And62900:40:48,870 --> 00:40:52,260actually, when we first launchedthat in we, we added the premium63000:40:52,260 --> 00:40:57,000subscription with a terrible setof additional features, just so63100:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840that Apple would pay attentionto that and approve the app63200:41:00,870 --> 00:41:04,980without the risk of thestreaming sites being kind of63300:41:04,980 --> 00:41:09,450looked at and saying why. Youpay? Yeah, yeah, we paid the63400:41:09,450 --> 00:41:10,440tax. Yeah.63500:41:11,580 --> 00:41:15,030I mean, are you doing okay, onpremium? I mean, how is, uh, do63600:41:15,030 --> 00:41:17,340you have a pretty good base ofsubscribers now?63700:41:18,630 --> 00:41:22,470Yeah, so we've got a decentamount of subscribers, I think63800:41:22,500 --> 00:41:26,910we need to do a lot better withjust, you know, the app features63900:41:26,910 --> 00:41:30,720and the premium features. So thepremium features right now are64000:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,870number one, you can reduce thetransaction fees from 4% to 1%.64100:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,970And those fees are on top ofwhatever the SAT value is so64200:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,410that we maintain the numerology.And then you have the option to64300:41:46,410 --> 00:41:49,890remove promotions if you wantto. And then you have access to64400:41:49,890 --> 00:41:54,480more advanced clipping featureswith the transcript. So, yeah,64500:41:54,510 --> 00:41:58,6804% of our users pay for premium,which you know, is it's funny,64600:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,490that's the same number,64700:41:59,490 --> 00:42:02,160my number, my number, that's mynumber.64800:42:03,330 --> 00:42:07,680So yeah, I mean, we were happywith that, considering like,64900:42:07,950 --> 00:42:10,440that we're early still. Butobviously, we'd like to push it65000:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,970up. I mean, I've heard thatSpotify. Their conversion is 40%65100:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,720on premium but I mean, if youlisten to Spotify without65200:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,810premium is so annoying, youknow, you can't you can't65300:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,620shuffle you can't skip the ads.So it's much more of a Yeah,65400:42:25,650 --> 00:42:29,070even if you have premium, theJoe Rogan show I think I65500:42:29,070 --> 00:42:31,950mentioned this is interruptedevery 10 minutes, you're65600:42:31,950 --> 00:42:36,120watching video, then all sudden,the video closes. You hear Joe65700:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,440going, Hey, I love these bookpills. And you know, this is65800:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680this to add read and then itgoes right back into the videos65900:42:43,680 --> 00:42:49,650every 1015 minutes. And I payfor premium. Just ridiculous to66000:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,350pieces of feedback that I gotfrom people, because of course66100:42:52,350 --> 00:42:58,230for my my testbed is Korean thekeeper because these are not66200:42:58,230 --> 00:43:03,090your typical podcast app usersnot your typical technology.66300:43:07,560 --> 00:43:14,460adopters, you know that I evengot a report from from John66400:43:14,460 --> 00:43:19,320Spurlock that show that indeed,on that particular show, now66500:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,370we're only available podcasting.2.0 not in the Apple or Spotify66600:43:23,370 --> 00:43:29,520or anything like that. We have apretty high. So it's actually66700:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,510like this Safari chrome podverse. Podcast addict, Firefox66800:43:36,540 --> 00:43:41,460edge, it goes down the list. Youknow, it's and that's right.66900:43:41,460 --> 00:43:46,110When a show is released, it'smainly on browsers. And then67000:43:46,110 --> 00:43:50,070there's a conversion and theconversion is actually it's67100:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,630interesting as well. Because wehave pod verse 25%, podcast67200:43:54,630 --> 00:44:00,450addicts 16th fountain 11. Sothey are getting they are67300:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,540getting to the app and a lot ofpeople of course, we're67400:44:03,540 --> 00:44:07,290struggling. Just trying tofigure out how you know how,67500:44:07,380 --> 00:44:09,480what is the Satoshis? I mean,they're starting at the67600:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,410beginning, obviously. Now thatyou've added that and we've been67700:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,100we've been talking about nowOkay, now you can now you can67800:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,680fill up your wallet right in theapp is very exciting people.67900:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,870Okay, I'm doing this. And here'sthe main thing we get back. I68000:44:24,870 --> 00:44:27,420don't trust this thing calledMoon pay. What the hell was68100:44:27,420 --> 00:44:33,330that? Is this a bug? Is this ahacker? And, and I will say at68200:44:33,330 --> 00:44:37,500least one person said I went tothe FAQs, saw that that was the68300:44:37,500 --> 00:44:41,310approved partner and so I feltbetter about it. But the minute68400:44:41,310 --> 00:44:43,800someone has to get becausebecause the onboarding is slick,68500:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400there's no driver's license, no,take a picture, move your head68600:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,390cough three times. It's yoursocial security number, which is68700:44:51,390 --> 00:44:54,810also a thing for Pete like I'mgoing to give my social security68800:44:54,810 --> 00:44:57,720number to an outfit called Moonpeg. So it's just these little68900:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,560things, but it's getting thereand You can be really proud of69000:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,940how well you're doing with this.69100:45:04,110 --> 00:45:07,230Oh, no, thanks. I appreciatethat. And yeah, I definitely69200:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,210understand that it's not idealthat we have to introduce a69300:45:12,210 --> 00:45:16,050third party. And it's anadditional, you know, entity69400:45:16,050 --> 00:45:19,260that you have to ask question,Who are these people? You know,69500:45:19,290 --> 00:45:23,070what are they doing? I thinkhopefully, at some point, we69600:45:23,070 --> 00:45:28,590will be able to do it allunderneath, you know, just kind69700:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,040of found him brand in the app.But I think for now, the moon69800:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,660pay flow is it's much betterthan what we had before you69900:45:36,660 --> 00:45:40,230avoid, you avoid the lightninginvoices, you avoid having to70000:45:40,230 --> 00:45:44,250download another lightning,wallet to your phone. So yes,70100:45:44,250 --> 00:45:47,010step in the right direction. Butstill lots we can do that. And70200:45:47,010 --> 00:45:47,160in70300:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,660general, I have since we havepod verse now also has a much70400:45:51,690 --> 00:45:54,540easier onboarding process withthe with the Alby wallet, they70500:45:54,540 --> 00:45:57,990have Moon pay built right ingranted, it is one step outside70600:45:57,990 --> 00:46:02,970of the app. But I'm seeing I'mjust seeing the increase. I'm70700:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,030Dave, you've seen it too. It'san increase a digit daily70800:46:06,060 --> 00:46:09,870increase. What is now of course,I'm also looking at Fiat70900:46:09,870 --> 00:46:12,840dollars. So that has changed alittle bit in the in the past is71000:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,720really transaction count. That'swhat we're looking at. Yeah, the71100:46:15,720 --> 00:46:20,220transaction count is way up. Andit's incredibly exciting to see71200:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,890I mean, it really enough withall the stuff I'm talking about.71300:46:22,890 --> 00:46:27,300It's just communication, youknow, it just communication, UX,71400:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,780all that kind of stuff. Butpeople are doing it. And I think71500:46:30,780 --> 00:46:34,410this was a huge, huge stepforward for podcasting. 2.0 for71600:46:34,410 --> 00:46:38,010the value for value piece, abig, big step forward having71700:46:38,010 --> 00:46:41,010this onboarding inside the apps.71800:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,530Yeah, you know, as I said thisbefore, that, all of these71900:46:46,530 --> 00:46:49,560things that you have to gothrough the KYC. And in that72000:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,980kind of stuff. It's no differentthan you have to go through with72100:46:52,980 --> 00:46:55,560anything else. I mean, try to goget a bank account. Oh,72200:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,350it was worse for Cash App. Man,we had the Cash App, you had to72300:46:58,350 --> 00:47:02,670do license and literally takeup, take a picture, move your72400:47:02,670 --> 00:47:04,770head left, move your head,right. Yeah, that's72500:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,300it. The only differences is allat once, like with, you know,72600:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,330when you go through one of theseother ones, like try trying to72700:47:12,330 --> 00:47:17,520get any sort of financial, likeaccount anywhere for anything,72800:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,630not crit, not crypto related,just normal, everyday stuff.72900:47:22,380 --> 00:47:26,610With fiat currency. It's just asonerous except that it's in slow73000:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,000motion over time. And so youdon't really notice. You don't73100:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,020really put it all together. It'sjust slow, sort of small, you73200:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,800know, 1000 cuts. But when you gothrough like a crypto quote73300:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,620unquote onboarding process, it'sjust sort of like, boom, boom,73400:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,960boom, boom, boom, you gotta givegive him all your stuff all at73500:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,210once. And it's like, whoa, thisfeels intrusive, but it's73600:47:45,210 --> 00:47:48,600really, it's really probably noultimately less intrusive than73700:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120going to even to get some otherkind of account. Really.73800:47:52,860 --> 00:47:54,810No, go ahead. No, go ahead.73900:47:55,860 --> 00:48:00,300No, I was I was gonna ask, Howdo I game your system of ameba74000:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,660Tron, I want to I want todevelop or have found to tell me74100:48:03,660 --> 00:48:07,530how, how can I take a podcast Ilove and put it to the top of74200:48:07,530 --> 00:48:08,160the charts?74300:48:09,330 --> 00:48:11,640Well, I'm glad you asked.Because there is a way74400:48:13,530 --> 00:48:14,850to get a pin, I've got a pin.74500:48:15,810 --> 00:48:20,910And yeah, so we, you know, westole the concept of the baller74600:48:20,910 --> 00:48:24,360boost, I'm sure you guys won'tmind. But essentially, in your74700:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,350feed, even if you're notfollowing that person, the ball74800:48:28,350 --> 00:48:31,800of boost from the last threedays will show up in everyone's74900:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,620feet. So if you want to, youknow, showcase that episode to75000:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,270everybody using fountain yougotta use them. Yeah, you gotta75100:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,460you gotta get to the thought.Ah,75200:48:45,090 --> 00:48:47,790is there a magic number that youcan reveal? Or is this delays?75300:48:47,820 --> 00:48:50,250Or is there a discovery processthat has to happen for this?75400:48:50,370 --> 00:48:55,080No, it just depends on the topboost about by sat value in the75500:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,860last three days.75600:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,900Now, it does not have to be aboost coming it has to be a75700:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,640boost coming from fountainthough right?75800:49:03,420 --> 00:49:07,620Yeah, it does right now. But um,you know, one of the things I75900:49:07,950 --> 00:49:11,370like commit to is thateverything that we see in76000:49:11,370 --> 00:49:14,160Fountain right now I want thatto work kind of between the76100:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,810apps. So for example, right nowif you if you send a boost from76200:49:19,650 --> 00:49:24,870I think breeze curio caster, notsure about pod verse, but it76300:49:24,870 --> 00:49:29,310will actually show up on theepisode page in Fountain how do76400:49:29,310 --> 00:49:35,460you how do you do that? So if wehave a split, then we can see76500:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,540the the value MC total and wecan, you know, check to see, you76600:49:42,540 --> 00:49:46,140know, have we created thisalready. And if not, then we can76700:49:46,140 --> 00:49:49,830create that boost and just setit be from whatever the the76800:49:49,830 --> 00:49:51,000sending app was from76900:49:51,990 --> 00:49:55,290you if you host if you're theone that onboarded the podcast77000:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,390or so you would have a splitthere and so you'd be able to77100:49:57,390 --> 00:49:57,840see it.77200:49:58,350 --> 00:50:02,280Yeah, and even if we didn't onon both the podcast, some77300:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,610podcasters that are runningtheir own node, for example,77400:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,650just give us a 1% split.77500:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,340I want to do that that way. Iwant to do that right away. I77600:50:11,340 --> 00:50:13,800want to I want all my booths toshow up on fountain.77700:50:14,250 --> 00:50:17,310Yeah, so you can if you give usa 1% split, we'll create the77800:50:17,310 --> 00:50:21,420booths from curio caster breezeand pod verse. I can't remember77900:50:21,450 --> 00:50:24,630I spoke to Mitch and there waslike, one tiny thing that we78000:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,840needed to change. It might beworking now, but maybe someone78100:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,210can can double check that on afeed that has has a fountain78200:50:33,210 --> 00:50:33,720split.78300:50:35,670 --> 00:50:39,750Okay, so how do so the bot Okay,so baller boosts go into the78400:50:39,750 --> 00:50:44,160into the sort of universalactivity feed. But then how does78500:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,240that relate to the charts? Likethe charts that you produce? On78600:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,760your side? Is that something adifferent algorithm? Or is that78700:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,430basically just a conglomerationof the activity phase stuff?78800:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,660Yeah, it's basically the same.It's all based on the Satoshi78900:50:57,660 --> 00:51:04,290value. So yeah, and the chartsright now are just based on79000:51:04,380 --> 00:51:09,450support from fountain withinfountain, but we plan to kind of79100:51:09,630 --> 00:51:14,070aggregate any income that we seefrom other apps as well.79200:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,550What is the what is the fountainusername for the split?79300:51:19,890 --> 00:51:22,530I'll have to send that to you,79400:51:22,770 --> 00:51:25,620man. I'm here ready to fill itin? I'm ready to do.79500:51:28,350 --> 00:51:32,370Yeah, it does require it does.I'll have to look that up. Well,79600:51:32,370 --> 00:51:36,570I mean, one thing that this kindof leads into, which be great to79700:51:36,570 --> 00:51:42,450get your thoughts on is I thinkthere's a GitHub thread about79800:51:42,450 --> 00:51:47,640this on on the podcast, index,GitHub, but you know, the79900:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,460ability to add a lightningaddress to the split. Because I80000:51:53,460 --> 00:51:57,840think this would make things alot easier. Just in situations80100:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,770like these. Instead of askingfor my value block, you can just80200:52:01,770 --> 00:52:05,340ask for my lightning address.And I know, both Albion fountain80300:52:05,370 --> 00:52:11,880have the same key send lookup onthat. That kind of is not the ln80400:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,020URL spec is not in that spec.But we both just went for the80500:52:16,020 --> 00:52:20,040same one. So yeah, I think it'dbe great to get into the value80600:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,350block spec. And then we can justsay, Hey, what's your lightning80700:52:22,350 --> 00:52:24,000address? I'll add you to thesplit.80800:52:25,050 --> 00:52:29,610Okay. Yeah, I mean, I could doesit doesn't have to be in this80900:52:29,820 --> 00:52:32,280province, he does have to benamed in the spec. Because I81000:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,460think you can do that now.Right? I mean, the real really,81100:52:35,460 --> 00:52:42,990the question is, are the blockerthere is, the service that's81200:52:42,990 --> 00:52:48,600hosting the wallets has to becapable to resolve it. So like,81300:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,870in the case of something like lnPE, Tim would have to make sure81400:52:54,870 --> 00:52:59,850that LM PE does that look upbefore? Because he, you could81500:52:59,850 --> 00:53:02,790just put the lining address inthere, and then he would have to81600:53:02,790 --> 00:53:07,080do the lookup on the fly. Am Iunderstanding that right?81700:53:10,410 --> 00:53:15,390Yeah, I guess I guess we could.So for example, if we saw, you81800:53:15,390 --> 00:53:19,680know, type equals node andaddress equals lightning81900:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,170address, we could choose tointerpret that. But ideally, if82000:53:25,170 --> 00:53:31,950we had, for example, you know, adifferent type or, you know, ln82100:53:31,950 --> 00:53:36,660URL, pay lightning address,because then we can kind of82200:53:36,690 --> 00:53:43,230agree like, fountain adverseAlby curio, Acosta, whoever else82300:53:43,230 --> 00:53:45,750can all agree that okay, this isthe way that we're going to do82400:53:45,750 --> 00:53:46,560that lookup.82500:53:48,420 --> 00:53:50,730What should that look like?Should it be in the address82600:53:50,730 --> 00:53:54,480field with a different type? Orshould it just be a type still82700:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,010is lightning but the addressthat you have, and maybe an82800:53:59,010 --> 00:54:04,590additional attribute, that issomething else like key, you82900:54:04,590 --> 00:54:07,440know, I don't know, just somesome other zone, some other83000:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,020named attribute. And it's like,Well, if that thing is present,83100:54:10,380 --> 00:54:14,400do a resolution, ignore that?Ignore the address and resolve83200:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,670it?83300:54:15,450 --> 00:54:18,120Yeah. So I think the easiest waywould just be like, I'm just83400:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,110looking at the dock now. And wehave, you know, podcast value83500:54:22,110 --> 00:54:28,500recipient, type equals node andaddress equals pub key. And if83600:54:28,500 --> 00:54:34,890we just had a different type, sotype equals ln URL, pay and83700:54:34,890 --> 00:54:41,010address equals, you know,adam@fountain.fm, or Dave at get83800:54:41,010 --> 00:54:46,290allday.com. And then we justkind of introduced that new83900:54:46,290 --> 00:54:49,830type, which is this is thelightning address. And every app84000:54:49,860 --> 00:54:53,640or service knows what to do withthat lightning address. It just84100:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,480goes to the lookup format, inthe same way that normal84200:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,890lightning address payments work.84300:54:59,430 --> 00:55:02,880Now did that Linear l guys, didthey ever endorsed this or84400:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,680waste? Are we still doing thison our own?84500:55:05,130 --> 00:55:11,130So from chatting to the guys atAlby, I think the way forward is84600:55:11,130 --> 00:55:15,630for us to just do this, and thengo back to the ln URL guys and84700:55:15,630 --> 00:55:19,770just say, Hey, this is working.We're all doing it. Can you84800:55:19,770 --> 00:55:20,430please add it?84900:55:20,850 --> 00:55:23,940Yeah, cuz, because the type thetype name, I don't want to call85000:55:23,940 --> 00:55:27,810the type Ellen URL, if it's notEllen URL, we can call call it,85100:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,950you know, something else?Because that, you know, they85200:55:31,950 --> 00:55:35,430were so resistant to this simpleidea last time that I mean, I85300:55:35,430 --> 00:55:39,270don't want to, I don't want toname this their stuff. So like85400:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,960it could, you know, whateverwe're calling this probably85500:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,170needs to be you know, I'm Iagree, I fully agree. It's as85600:55:46,170 --> 00:55:49,740simple as a simple resolver.And, you know, it gets to the85700:55:49,740 --> 00:55:51,630point where it's, I will I mean,we don't need your permission,85800:55:51,630 --> 00:55:57,120which could do it. So if we doit. I wonder what we call it. I85900:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,610guess we can hash that out onthe, you know, on the thing, but86000:56:00,180 --> 00:56:04,560it makes sense. This makes a lotof sense. Yeah, I'll, I'll look86100:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,690at doing that. Or if you want todo a PR or something with86200:56:06,690 --> 00:56:07,800suggestion. Yeah.86300:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,150I'm happy to write out an issuefor it. Yeah, do that.86400:56:12,750 --> 00:56:16,890Let me switch gears for a secondwave Lake launched and very86500:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,450confusing to me. There's a lotof enthusiasm. I'm cautiously86600:56:21,450 --> 00:56:27,870enthusiastic. Do we know if theyare indeed putting out an RSS86700:56:27,870 --> 00:56:31,230feed with a value block that canbe ingested with the medium tag?86800:56:31,230 --> 00:56:35,550And And where does that? Wheredoes that leave everybody in86900:56:35,550 --> 00:56:38,850this case? Do we know anythingabout this?87000:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,780Yeah, I think as far as I know,they are putting out an RSS feed87100:56:45,780 --> 00:56:50,670with the music medium tag. Okay,could be wrong, though.87200:56:50,850 --> 00:56:56,100Right? I, man. We're, it feelslike we're very close. But we're87300:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,860kind of passing by each other. Imean, that would be maybe just87400:56:58,860 --> 00:57:03,480be my, my interpretation of thesituation.87500:57:03,660 --> 00:57:08,130Yeah, I tried to play with it afew times in and get just got87600:57:08,130 --> 00:57:11,250called away every time and Ihave not finished going through87700:57:11,250 --> 00:57:14,580I created an account and got inthere and then just literally87800:57:14,580 --> 00:57:18,690got pulled away. So I think it'sthis wave like studio is what87900:57:18,690 --> 00:57:24,300this is, it's astudio.wavelight.com. And then88000:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,050you create an account in whichthat you can upload your music88100:57:28,050 --> 00:57:32,400and stuff there. Oh, which isgood. But I haven't seen a feed.88200:57:33,540 --> 00:57:38,430If somebody can send me a feed,maybe tone record has a feed88300:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,420that he can send. And that way Ican I can look at the feed and88400:57:42,420 --> 00:57:43,440see what's actually in it.88500:57:43,529 --> 00:57:45,929I guess the second questionwould be, are you going to88600:57:45,929 --> 00:57:48,809support while the two thingsare? Maybe I should step back?88700:57:48,809 --> 00:57:53,159But are you going to support thethe medium tag for music? Have88800:57:53,159 --> 00:57:54,119you thought about that?88900:57:55,230 --> 00:58:00,030And yeah, definitely would wouldlove to support the music medium89000:58:00,030 --> 00:58:02,580tag just kind of waiting for formore.89100:58:02,610 --> 00:58:08,940Can we have 44,000? Feeds withmedium tag music, I believe?89200:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,740Yeah, those are those are handcurated. So there are89300:58:14,610 --> 00:58:17,670Yeah, it's enough to populate alittle section.89400:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,330Yeah, that's what I wanted.That's why we did it. So me,89500:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,990Alex and I ran that. Ran thatPython machine learning89600:58:27,990 --> 00:58:31,560algorithm over over square rootslurpy. slurpy. Yeah. Over the89700:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,820whole thing over the whole indexfor God, we have four weeks. No,89800:58:35,820 --> 00:58:39,510no, no, like a couple of months.Oh, it took forever. Yeah. And89900:58:39,570 --> 00:58:44,310to just identify, try to get anidentification of some level of90000:58:44,340 --> 00:58:46,440let's just say, Okay, well,here, let's try to get maybe90100:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,68050,000 feeds that are that havemusic, and we'll go home, we'll90200:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,430just hand tag them. And then weat least have something that90300:58:53,460 --> 00:59:00,720apps who want to who want toplay with music as a as they'll90400:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,060just have a they'll Yeah,they'll have a corpus of content90500:59:03,060 --> 00:59:08,880there to play with. Now, I thinkit's, I think it's I think the90600:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,680whole thing is, is interesting.I just I want to see we also90700:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,580have this issue. And I think Isee are you you're looking at90800:59:17,580 --> 00:59:18,600live too, right?90900:59:18,870 --> 00:59:20,460Yeah, that was my next question.91000:59:21,630 --> 00:59:27,210Yeah, definitely. Definitelylive is, you know, the, the91100:59:27,210 --> 00:59:30,600highest priority for us. Yeah.Okay.91200:59:31,530 --> 00:59:34,710What do you need from me onthat? Do you do you need me to91300:59:34,740 --> 00:59:38,280give you any support on thatfrom the API or anything else?91400:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,560I think we're all good. To behonest. It's just been a bit of91500:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,630a hectic few weeks. So we justneed to get around to it really.91600:59:48,630 --> 00:59:49,530But yeah, definitely.91700:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,470You are the developer. Yeah,seems like seems like it might91800:59:55,470 --> 00:59:56,550have been kind of busy.91900:59:57,060 --> 01:00:00,000Yes. And Nick to a bootcamp, itwill be good to go. It'll be92001:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,610You're being uh ya know, if youneed anything, you know, please92101:00:05,820 --> 01:00:08,520tell me, um, because as I'mliving in that space right now,92201:00:09,300 --> 01:00:14,010with the live stuff, trying toget it to be trying to get it to92301:00:14,010 --> 01:00:18,540be well represented in the APIcalls where appropriate, and,92401:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,170you know, pod, pod ping is therenow, so you should be good from92501:00:22,170 --> 01:00:25,170that standpoint. I think as faras like getting up to speed with92601:00:25,170 --> 01:00:29,130live, I think it's a much easierprocess now than it was a month92701:00:29,130 --> 01:00:32,730ago. You know, two months ago, Ithink I think the support is92801:00:32,730 --> 01:00:35,010there now to make it doable.92901:00:37,500 --> 01:00:41,280Okay, great. Well, yeah,definitely. Hold hold me to hold93001:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,490us.93101:00:43,740 --> 01:00:47,220But, uh, no. And that is wick onin. I don't know if you ever93201:00:47,220 --> 01:00:51,270knew this was why I brought uplive. But you know, Alex, and93301:00:51,270 --> 01:00:56,190I've been going back and forthon well, you know, what, what do93401:00:56,190 --> 01:00:58,950you do with some of these thingslike Mitch is bringing up where93501:00:58,950 --> 01:01:03,270he so he says, Well, you know,for long running, let's just93601:01:03,270 --> 01:01:07,410say, you know, jet streamhunters and retro these sort of93701:01:07,500 --> 01:01:12,63024 hour live streams that, thatnever stop. And what do you do93801:01:12,660 --> 01:01:16,590with those? And so that Alisontold me is like, well, you know,93901:01:16,590 --> 01:01:19,350why don't we just come up with anew medium, you know, call it94001:01:19,350 --> 01:01:23,790whatever I mean, you know, radioor whatever, just give it some94101:01:23,790 --> 01:01:29,940name. That indicates that thisis a continuous live stream. And94201:01:31,260 --> 01:01:34,290I mean, I like that idea. Ithink I think having it as a94301:01:34,290 --> 01:01:37,980medium is pretty elegant. Getbecause medium feels like one of94401:01:37,980 --> 01:01:44,880those things that it it solvesit really exists in a space.94501:01:46,380 --> 01:01:51,660Within the within theinfrastructure of podcasting. It94601:01:51,810 --> 01:01:56,400has always been needed, but butit was squishy. Because it's94701:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,730like it's not a category. Andit's not a different tag, like94801:02:02,730 --> 01:02:06,510it's not a it's it's notsomething other than an episode,94901:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,860or excuse me an item, it's anitem. But it's like it never95001:02:10,860 --> 01:02:13,470there's never really a goodplace to stick this and medium95101:02:13,470 --> 01:02:17,220is so elegant. Because you cansay you can do this, okay, well,95201:02:17,220 --> 01:02:22,680this is a different type ofthing. So having a long running95301:02:22,710 --> 01:02:28,14024/7 stream, you know, foundthat less you as, as the app95401:02:28,170 --> 01:02:32,010know, okay, well, here's, here'sthis unique thing. And here's95501:02:32,010 --> 01:02:34,590how we're going to know how tohandle this differently than95601:02:35,070 --> 01:02:39,210then a normal episode, which isa download, or a live stream,95701:02:39,210 --> 01:02:44,070which is a, you know, moment intime. piece of content. That's95801:02:44,100 --> 01:02:48,030that's streaming, though. Okay,well, here's a third. Here's the95901:02:48,030 --> 01:02:52,200third thing. This other thing issomething that just never stops.96001:02:52,230 --> 01:02:57,150And so you can tune in and tuneout. And as we'll wait, does96101:02:57,150 --> 01:02:59,130that make sense to you? I thinkit does.96201:03:00,510 --> 01:03:03,480Yeah, I think that makes a lotof sense to separate that out96301:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,960from the, you know, single Liveepisode.96401:03:08,580 --> 01:03:13,920Yeah. Well, that, are you.You're probably really not even96501:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,960looking at medium right now atall. Because you really don't96601:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,060have a use, you know, you don'thave none of your features96701:03:18,060 --> 01:03:19,050require that right.96801:03:21,060 --> 01:03:24,300Yeah, not not right now. Butobviously, yeah, I plan to96901:03:24,570 --> 01:03:26,520support that in the future.97001:03:27,150 --> 01:03:32,610Since this is of course, my oneof my my, my pet little project97101:03:32,610 --> 01:03:39,930slash peeves. So I someone waskind enough to give me your, the97201:03:39,930 --> 01:03:47,190fountain ID address. So I'm allI already put a 1% split in for97301:03:47,220 --> 01:03:54,030podcasting to point out. Thereplies I mean, I'm just going97401:03:54,030 --> 01:03:58,110to say it again, another twoweeks gone by nothing on cross97501:03:58,110 --> 01:04:04,800app comments. So how do we getreplies that are boost replies?97601:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,370How do we get those across toother apps? Is that even97701:04:08,370 --> 01:04:10,830possible? Have you thought aboutit? Have you talked to anybody97801:04:10,830 --> 01:04:11,340about it?97901:04:12,960 --> 01:04:20,280Yeah, great question. And it's abig question. I think we98001:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,500definitely want that to happen.But I think is is as you guys98101:04:25,500 --> 01:04:29,070have talked about over the pastweek or month, this is the most98201:04:29,070 --> 01:04:29,700difficult98301:04:31,350 --> 01:04:36,750tag and it's the most difficultthing to do. I think there are a98401:04:36,750 --> 01:04:44,160few different options. And I'mkind of just waiting to see what98501:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,180happens. I think one option thatyou guys have talked about over98601:04:48,180 --> 01:04:53,700the past few weeks is bridgingbooths into activity pubs so98701:04:53,730 --> 01:04:58,200essentially, creating, you know,and I'm not that familiar with98801:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,240activity targets, I might beusing the wrong In the98901:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,830terminology here, butessentially creating a kind of99001:05:04,950 --> 01:05:09,330route, comment inactivity pubfor each boost, and then letting99101:05:09,330 --> 01:05:16,230people reply off of that. That'sone option. Another option is99201:05:16,530 --> 01:05:21,360Noster, which is obviously, youknow, it's a whole different99301:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,040thing. But I do think it couldwork. The only thing I think99401:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,480that's potentially missingthere, or who's potentially99501:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,000missing from all of theseoptions is the ability to kind99601:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,590of, you know, associate apayment with that message in a99701:05:37,590 --> 01:05:42,870way that isn't just in the textof the message. So yeah, I think99801:05:42,870 --> 01:05:46,290there's a few different options.I just think that it is99901:05:46,290 --> 01:05:49,620unfortunately, just going totake a bit of time. But yeah,100001:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,700I'm definitely everything thatwe do in balancing. I'm thinking100101:05:53,700 --> 01:05:57,390about how can we apply thiscross app, because ultimately,100201:05:58,110 --> 01:06:02,580we're competing against Appleand Spotify. And thank you, this100301:06:02,580 --> 01:06:07,050is the killer feature that isgoing to, you know, help all of100401:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,770the forecasting 2.0 apps takehuge market share from Apple and100501:06:10,770 --> 01:06:13,590Spotify, because they're nevergoing to do that. You know?100601:06:14,250 --> 01:06:17,010Yeah. So yeah, I think it willhappen. It's just a really100701:06:17,010 --> 01:06:18,030difficult thing to do.100801:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,000That's a great way to look atit. Yeah.100901:06:21,060 --> 01:06:25,620All of the excitement, for me isreally in that. And, you know, I101001:06:25,620 --> 01:06:30,780set up a friend of mine and hiswife, they're doing a podcast.101101:06:30,810 --> 01:06:35,550And he immediately said, Oh, I'mbuilding a community on101201:06:35,550 --> 01:06:38,760fountain. I'm like, that'sfantastic. No, of course, it's101301:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,390unfortunate, because it's onlyone part of his community. The101401:06:42,390 --> 01:06:45,420other ones are just kind of leftout. But it's definitely where101501:06:45,420 --> 01:06:49,200there's excitement. And, and I'mjust gravitating towards where101601:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,840things are working. I think youand I talked briefly or maybe it101701:06:51,840 --> 01:06:57,150was a suggestion that. So forpodcasting 2.0, we would be able101801:06:57,150 --> 01:07:01,320to make the booths public afterwe do the live show. Is that101901:07:01,350 --> 01:07:03,780Yeah, have you put that on yourlist somewhere for us?102001:07:03,870 --> 01:07:07,440Yeah, that's on the list. Ihaven't done it yet. But102101:07:07,530 --> 01:07:12,660I don't know. Because I stand byit as a podcaster. I've been102201:07:12,660 --> 01:07:16,830doing it for a while. There'snothing more exciting than102301:07:16,860 --> 01:07:21,420adding a split into my valueblock and that activating a102401:07:21,420 --> 01:07:26,580service. It's just so sexy.Yeah, it's like, I put a split102501:07:26,580 --> 01:07:32,730in to my Git Alby and, and now Ihave two different I have102601:07:32,730 --> 01:07:37,800contracts, and I have the Saturnstats package is I mean, that's102701:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,810a huge, huge value that I'mgetting, just by adding 1% into102801:07:42,810 --> 01:07:46,710my value block. I mean, this asa podcaster. It clicks, like, I102901:07:46,710 --> 01:07:49,230don't have to integrate withAPI's, I don't have to103001:07:49,230 --> 01:07:53,310understand any of that. I justneed to and thank God for really103101:07:53,310 --> 01:07:56,580thank God for sovereign feeds,where I can just say, Oh, this103201:07:56,580 --> 01:07:59,100is the get Alby address,clickety, click, this is the103301:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,590fountain address, clicketyclick, it resolves everything,103401:08:01,590 --> 01:08:05,610don't have to think about itdon't have to look up any, any103501:08:05,610 --> 01:08:09,420IDs. I mean, it's getting sobeautifully simple, that for a103601:08:09,420 --> 01:08:12,090podcaster this is exactly whatyou want.103701:08:14,970 --> 01:08:18,780Is there ever been anythinglike, I'm struggling to think of103801:08:18,780 --> 01:08:26,520an example of something likethis, where you simply sit103901:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,840begins sending somebody apayment, and the service just104001:08:30,840 --> 01:08:36,180activates? I mean, like, like,from the, from the sender side,104101:08:37,050 --> 01:08:39,990you know, like, traditionally,you would, uh, you know, you go104201:08:39,990 --> 01:08:44,490and you register, and you set upa payment from the, from the104301:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,350provider side, and they're gonnatake, they're gonna pull money104401:08:49,350 --> 01:08:53,640from you, or, you know, on aregular basis to pay for the to104501:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,630pay for your use of the service.I don't, I'm not sure that104601:08:57,630 --> 01:09:02,970there's ever existed a way whereI can just from my side, from104701:09:02,970 --> 01:09:06,540the consumer side, I can justbegin paying you at random and104801:09:06,540 --> 01:09:11,940the service just becomesavailable. But I can't think of104901:09:11,940 --> 01:09:13,290any analogy for that.105001:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,120I don't think so. Obviously, itdoes something wrong on a105101:09:18,120 --> 01:09:25,440second. Thank you. The only theonly analogy is sending an email105201:09:25,440 --> 01:09:27,810somewhere that it's not apayment, but you send an email,105301:09:27,810 --> 01:09:31,620it'll show up in a form in alist or something like that,105401:09:31,620 --> 01:09:35,190that that's pretty much the onlythe only glitch based105501:09:35,190 --> 01:09:38,820service activation is notsomething that I think has ever105601:09:38,820 --> 01:09:43,110exists. No, no. That's kind ofexciting. I mean, it's, it's105701:09:43,140 --> 01:09:47,460it's kind of exciting because itsolves so many issues. security,105801:09:47,460 --> 01:09:51,330privacy, these things. I mean,like you I can't think of105901:09:51,330 --> 01:09:54,030anything else like it. I don'tknow just just thinking out loud106001:09:54,030 --> 01:09:54,300here.106101:09:55,950 --> 01:09:58,860No, not at all. There's nothinglike it. This is why it's so106201:09:58,860 --> 01:09:59,580beautiful.106301:10:01,079 --> 01:10:06,089And I like the, you know, I likethis. I liked the idea that, you106401:10:06,089 --> 01:10:11,849know, your podcast and 2.2 appsor as a group are competing. You106501:10:11,849 --> 01:10:15,809know, they're competing really,it's almost not even with Apple106601:10:15,809 --> 01:10:18,029and Spotify in, in106701:10:18,030 --> 01:10:20,730these almost a whole differentlevel playing field.106801:10:21,059 --> 01:10:22,949They're competing with malaise.106901:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,180malaise? Yes, yes,107001:10:27,630 --> 01:10:31,980they're competing, they'recompeting with, with near, you107101:10:31,980 --> 01:10:35,040know, just just like, likethey're competing with an107201:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,000entrenched average user listenerexperience.107301:10:39,030 --> 01:10:42,570Yes, Wallah. That's why I likedthe activity lightning timeline107401:10:42,570 --> 01:10:49,020so much. It's every we've gotstuck in this inbox model in day107501:10:49,020 --> 01:10:54,750one from day one. I mean, Ialways like to kind of river of107601:10:54,750 --> 01:10:58,050podcasts, you know, which isyour unplayed episodes, which is107701:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,260works very well, I think almostevery app has a version of it107801:11:01,260 --> 01:11:06,330now. But we are all stuck inthis, here's your podcasts, you107901:11:06,330 --> 01:11:09,330know, this is the ones yousubscribe to or follow, let's,108001:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,510let's all have that not be thesame. I'm looking at you ask108101:11:12,510 --> 01:11:18,930her. And, you know, justsomething new, something new and108201:11:18,930 --> 01:11:22,140exciting. And that's, that'swhat I'm seeing. And it shows in108301:11:22,140 --> 01:11:23,040the results.108401:11:24,150 --> 01:11:29,010Yeah, I think because withpodcasting, the fact that in108501:11:29,010 --> 01:11:35,400every single app, you reallyhave to subscribe to a feed or108601:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,420follow it depending on whatlanguage you're using. And that108701:11:39,420 --> 01:11:44,190makes the barrier to listen tothe content really high. Whereas108801:11:44,190 --> 01:11:48,030there's so much incrediblecontent out there, that's108901:11:48,030 --> 01:11:53,610probably you're going to find sointeresting or entertaining. But109001:11:53,610 --> 01:11:56,850you're never going to subscribeto that feed. And right now,109101:11:56,850 --> 01:12:01,110there's not really a way otherthan outside of the podcast that109201:12:01,170 --> 01:12:05,220just in, you know, word of mouthto discover that content.109301:12:06,480 --> 01:12:11,010Now, when, okay, so if a newuser comes into fountain, the109401:12:11,010 --> 01:12:14,430activity feed is not assumedbecause it's a glow. It's a109501:12:14,430 --> 01:12:19,500global baller boosts curatedfeed, that that new users109601:12:19,500 --> 01:12:22,770activity feed is not blank, whenthey show up, it comes in with109701:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,030with a lot of stuff there.109801:12:25,170 --> 01:12:30,030Yeah, so along with the,there's, I guess there's four109901:12:30,030 --> 01:12:36,450things that go into the activityfeed. The first is activity from110001:12:36,480 --> 01:12:41,160people that you follow, whichwill be empty, if you're a brand110101:12:41,160 --> 01:12:46,980new user. The second is the $1boost from the last three days,110201:12:46,980 --> 01:12:49,980which you will always seethat'll be in there for a new110301:12:49,980 --> 01:12:57,270user. And then the the thirdthing is clips that are that110401:12:57,270 --> 01:13:02,580have been liked, you know, a lotin the last, you know, whatever110501:13:02,580 --> 01:13:05,310time period, so you can seeclips because we want to110601:13:05,310 --> 01:13:10,020introduce the clipping featureto new users. And then the final110701:13:10,020 --> 01:13:12,870thing is promotions as well. Sothat's what you'll see. And it110801:13:12,870 --> 01:13:14,820will be jumbled up in the feed.110901:13:17,790 --> 01:13:25,020So that is my next question isIs the activity feed available111001:13:25,050 --> 01:13:30,060in some external way? Like,could I, but I look at the111101:13:30,060 --> 01:13:33,210activity feed is you havethere's an API or something that111201:13:33,210 --> 01:13:36,270I can look at that? Or is thatstill private to the app?111301:13:38,190 --> 01:13:43,140It's still private to the appright now. But yeah, as I said111401:13:43,140 --> 01:13:47,550before, I think, you know, thereal power of these features is111501:13:47,550 --> 01:13:51,990if they work between the apps.So the only reason that it's111601:13:51,990 --> 01:13:55,200still private is because wehaven't figured out exactly how111701:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,050we're going to share that databetween that. But yeah, at some111801:13:58,050 --> 01:14:04,320point, I envision that, youknow, you'll be able to read111901:14:04,980 --> 01:14:08,340that data, you know, for us,because we also have the show112001:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,150feeds as well. So if you go andfind the show, you'll be able to112101:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,500see the feed for that show. So,you know, if, if another app112201:14:16,500 --> 01:14:22,170wanted to read the show feedfrom fountain, they could do112301:14:22,170 --> 01:14:26,310that. And hopefully we couldread that same show feed from112401:14:26,340 --> 01:14:28,680another app and we just allmerged them.112501:14:29,070 --> 01:14:30,420Now that's not a bad idea.112601:14:31,020 --> 01:14:33,780Yeah, cuz that you know, likethat. They've been forever112701:14:33,780 --> 01:14:38,850obsessed with trying to gettrying to get data about what112801:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,300shows are being listened topopularity, things like that,112901:14:42,300 --> 01:14:47,160like real real popularity, not,not charts, not not things that113001:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,950you know, oh, Apple says theseare your top podcasts or Spotify113101:14:49,950 --> 01:14:53,430says your top podcasts like realdata from actual people113201:14:53,430 --> 01:14:56,820listening to stuff and sharingit, clipping it, boosting it,113301:14:56,820 --> 01:15:00,960whatever the signals are. Andyou know that If I had a way to113401:15:00,960 --> 01:15:07,170just, if I had a way to, to see,you know, the 100% anonymized113501:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,830data just like, you know, hey,this show is just really, this113601:15:10,830 --> 01:15:14,550episode is really popular in ourapp right now, you know, I get,113701:15:14,550 --> 01:15:18,720I don't give two craps about,like, who's boosting it, or113801:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,980who's sharing it or clipping itfrom us from an index directory113901:15:22,980 --> 01:15:26,670standpoint, I just want to knowwhat it is, you know, I want to114001:15:26,670 --> 01:15:31,440know what it is. So that I cansay, you know, so I can in an114101:15:31,440 --> 01:15:36,030hour, you know, crude ranking,give that higher priority,114201:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,720because clearly, it may besomething people are excited114301:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,470about whatever this is, in thatmay be across, you know, five or114401:15:43,470 --> 01:15:46,860six different apps, you know, Iwould love to just be constantly114501:15:46,860 --> 01:15:53,580polling those, those sort ofpopularity feeds to say, okay,114601:15:53,580 --> 01:15:56,970these are the shows episodes andfeeds that are that people are114701:15:56,970 --> 01:16:01,530listening to the most now, tohave a recent list because I'm114801:16:01,530 --> 01:16:06,900not happy with the bias. Everyevery app has bias, you know,114901:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,970our directory has bias. Because,you know, we see so much115001:16:11,970 --> 01:16:15,780activity with podcasting 2.0oriented shows, and Bitcoin115101:16:15,780 --> 01:16:19,650oriented shows and things likethat. So, you know, that's not115201:16:19,650 --> 01:16:23,430necessarily representative ofwhat's going on across115301:16:23,970 --> 01:16:26,880across podcast, what is the whatis the output you want from115401:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,360that, Dave?115501:16:28,140 --> 01:16:31,200I want to I want to be able toamalgamate all of those things,115601:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,570you know, I would love to justhave these have these feed115701:16:33,570 --> 01:16:39,450activity, so that then I couldproduce an in a single endpoint115801:16:40,110 --> 01:16:44,670that people could pull, thatwould say, Okay, over the last115901:16:44,670 --> 01:16:49,41030 days, or less, seven days orthree days, these are the fields116001:16:49,410 --> 01:16:52,920that have been that have hadjust tons of activity. Okay,116101:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,550because that's, to me, that's agood, that's a the most organic116201:16:56,550 --> 01:16:57,990discovery mechanism that you can116301:16:57,990 --> 01:17:02,070find. I disagree with that. Butokay. Well, I116401:17:02,070 --> 01:17:05,670mean, I guess the most organicis word of mouth. But like, yes,116501:17:06,060 --> 01:17:09,150what I mean is like, when itcomes to algorithmic, that's as116601:17:09,150 --> 01:17:13,230close to organic as you can get,is, if you're saying if people116701:17:13,230 --> 01:17:15,900are when people start following,you know, following shows,116801:17:15,900 --> 01:17:18,780listening to episodes, and thatkind of thing, is that data116901:17:18,780 --> 01:17:24,150comes back out of the app. And,and I can see it, and then117001:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,440disseminate that back out to,you know, everybody else.117101:17:29,130 --> 01:17:33,240That's, that is sort of, itevens the bar, it evens out the117201:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,140bias, it levels it out to wherethere's there's everybody's117301:17:37,140 --> 01:17:40,560biases are becoming equal, whichmeans you have normalized and117401:17:40,560 --> 01:17:40,680this117501:17:40,680 --> 01:17:50,160is interesting. I personally, Ithink the app itself has bias117601:17:50,160 --> 01:17:56,910built in. So fountain is clearlyan app that has a certain user117701:17:56,910 --> 01:18:01,020group, because of its because ofwhat it's been doing early on.117801:18:01,470 --> 01:18:06,240And I think found pod burstshas, has its own user group,117901:18:06,540 --> 01:18:11,730which is very different. And I'mnot so sure that I mean, I118001:18:11,730 --> 01:18:14,250understand what you would wantto see it, I just don't know if118101:18:14,250 --> 01:18:17,820I'd be interested in a feed thatis from all these apps. And it's118201:18:18,870 --> 01:18:21,930to me, it's more interestingwhat you're listening to. I want118301:18:21,930 --> 01:18:26,280to know that. I hear you likesnap some data, I get it, I get118401:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,330it. Well,118501:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,680normalized bias. That's what ourMPP That's right, normalized,118601:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,160normalized bias. That's what Iwant. I want normalized by the118701:18:35,160 --> 01:18:41,160way that you will see, you know,because I guess you okay, here's118801:18:41,160 --> 01:18:47,070my concern. And this, this leadsinto a bigger discussion. I put118901:18:47,070 --> 01:18:52,500in this thing today into thestats, a tweak the stats, and119001:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,830then now has an extra set ofdata in there. These are the119101:18:55,830 --> 01:18:59,910hourly and daily stat counts,that people are pulling from the119201:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,660Todd wanted days, and so we'veproduced them. So this is like119301:19:03,690 --> 01:19:06,420feeds with new episodes everythree days, every seven days, 10119401:19:06,420 --> 01:19:10,260days, blah, blah, blah. What'sbothered me for a long time is119501:19:10,260 --> 01:19:19,380that anchor skews, these numbersare so hard. They they have so119601:19:19,380 --> 01:19:25,830many junk feeds on a daily basisthat it's it's noisy, it's it's119701:19:25,830 --> 01:19:33,030pure noise. So what I've wantedis a way to, to have stats that119801:19:33,060 --> 01:19:38,460exclude that. That is, first ofall exclude anchor just because119901:19:38,490 --> 01:19:42,210it skews things too hard. Rightnow it's a virus in the badass120001:19:42,210 --> 01:19:49,050industrial complex. But then, ona bigger scale, hopefully we can120101:19:49,050 --> 01:19:53,460get the new tag that I'veproposed that allows hosting120201:19:53,460 --> 01:19:57,210companies to indicate whether ornot a feed is paid for or free.120301:19:57,480 --> 01:20:01,020Yeah, so I would like to producetwo different One sets of stats,120401:20:01,020 --> 01:20:05,310essentially, one that's justtotals across the board totals120501:20:05,310 --> 01:20:09,570no and no, nope, cherrypicking.But then another set of stats120601:20:09,570 --> 01:20:13,320that says, These are the, theseare the feeds that people have120701:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,220paid for this appears that, youknow, they've gone to a hosting120801:20:17,220 --> 01:20:20,550company or they've donesomething. Basically, there the120901:20:20,550 --> 01:20:24,360feeds that don't, don't havethat are not labeled by the121001:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,890hosting company as a free ortrial account, which, in my121101:20:29,010 --> 01:20:33,960opinion, 99.9% of anchor shouldhave that tag within it. These121201:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,330are all free or trial accounts,essentially. And so that's,121301:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,870that's what I want. Well, that.That's the bias. That's an121401:20:42,870 --> 01:20:46,170example of the type of bias I'mtrying to control for here.121501:20:46,410 --> 01:20:51,300Because when if you takesomething like fountain, the121601:20:51,300 --> 01:20:57,030understandably, in it for a goodreason, and it's beneficial to121701:20:57,030 --> 01:21:02,400be this way. There's a strongbias towards Bitcoin podcasting121801:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,980there. And that's, that's good.Except that law, I guess, I121901:21:07,980 --> 01:21:11,040think on a long enough timescale, you don't want to be122001:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,990hamstrung. By that bias, youwant to, you want to go above122101:21:15,990 --> 01:21:19,920that bias. And the same thingwith POD verse or any of the122201:21:19,920 --> 01:21:26,760other apps, if you if your biasbecomes too strong, you end up122301:21:28,650 --> 01:21:30,990limiting your audience becausethey think a book is going to122401:21:30,990 --> 01:21:34,980get in there all they see at thetop is just this one flavor of122501:21:34,980 --> 01:21:39,240show. And I'm not saying thatyou don't you have that as part122601:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,630of your as part of your exposeddata. But then it would be122701:21:42,630 --> 01:21:46,560really nice if you had thisother more normalized set of122801:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,100data, that you could say, Okay,well, he and you can mix that in122901:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,770so that it doesn't look likeyour bias doesn't stand out as123001:21:52,770 --> 01:21:53,100much.123101:21:53,370 --> 01:21:56,910I'm gonna ask this question, andI'm trying to sign sound as kind123201:21:56,910 --> 01:22:06,030as possible. Thanks. No, don'tdon't do that. Who is the123301:22:06,030 --> 01:22:11,610intended audience for the steps?Because I, there's so much123401:22:12,090 --> 01:22:17,100energy and effort goes intothis. But the main users seem to123501:22:17,100 --> 01:22:23,040be Todd, and James, who I'm justtrying to understand who is this123601:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,000really for?123701:22:25,110 --> 01:22:33,060Is it is it's for? It's foreverybody. It okay, there's so a123801:22:33,060 --> 01:22:39,090two part answer. Answer numberanswer. Number one, is, it's for123901:22:39,090 --> 01:22:44,160everyone. Everyone in thepodcast industrial complex, to124001:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,670see what some actual realnumbers may look like that are124101:22:47,670 --> 01:22:52,320not, that don't, that are notinfluenced by somebody's agenda.124201:22:52,620 --> 01:22:56,490Because I really have none. Idon't even care that much about124301:22:56,490 --> 01:22:59,430the about stats. So I'm theperfect guy to put stats124401:22:59,430 --> 01:23:02,700together, because I don't careabout stats, that the second one124501:23:02,700 --> 01:23:10,260is is for me, because I'm I'vejust I'm uncomfortable. There's124601:23:10,260 --> 01:23:15,720something the what I see as faras numbers go, bother me on a124701:23:15,720 --> 01:23:25,500consistent basis. Because, youknow, it's like, it's like it is124801:23:25,500 --> 01:23:31,200with, with with some? Well, it'slike it is with with YouTube,124901:23:31,890 --> 01:23:39,030you can say, Oh, well, you know,we had 20 million hours of video125001:23:39,030 --> 01:23:45,270uploaded every single day. Okay,well, if only if only 1000 hours125101:23:45,270 --> 01:23:49,650of that videos ever watchedwithin the number is bullshit.125201:23:50,700 --> 01:23:55,260And I don't like existing in aplace where I think the numbers125301:23:55,950 --> 01:23:59,220are grossly skewed in a way thatI can't get my head around125401:23:59,220 --> 01:24:03,060what's actually happening. Soit's more as more of a of an125501:24:03,060 --> 01:24:08,250obsession to try to get someidea. I mean, we run an index of125601:24:08,610 --> 01:24:12,120where we're trying to see everyevery podcast in the whole world125701:24:12,120 --> 01:24:18,030that exists. And if I think thatthe numbers I'm seeing are just125801:24:18,030 --> 01:24:25,770flat out wrong or in are notindicative of what's really125901:24:25,770 --> 01:24:29,220going on, because, okay, thediscussion we had at the126001:24:29,220 --> 01:24:33,000beginning of the show todayabout Google, Google podcasts126101:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,240and you know, okay, podcastingis starting to flatten out, you126201:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,760know, the grow, the hyper growthis not there, blah, blah, blah.126301:24:39,180 --> 01:24:43,170I really would like to see thatindicated in the actual numbers.126401:24:43,680 --> 01:24:50,760So again, I, as I stated, Iunderstand why you want it I126501:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,210just see an enormous amount ofenergy going into this that is126601:24:54,210 --> 01:25:02,040really only used for a headlinein an article I as a podcaster.126701:25:02,550 --> 01:25:06,540I don't I have no benefit. Idon't maybe maybe it should126801:25:06,540 --> 01:25:09,330hasn't presented been presentedto me in a way that that is126901:25:09,330 --> 01:25:13,350interesting. As a I don't know,if an app developer, I mean, it127001:25:13,350 --> 01:25:17,580seems like hosting companieswant this information for127101:25:17,580 --> 01:25:21,570competitive reasons to compareto their own internal numbers.127201:25:21,570 --> 01:25:25,710How are we doing? Andjournalists? I'm just trying to127301:25:25,710 --> 01:25:28,710understand the actual intendedaudience besides yourself, which127401:25:28,710 --> 01:25:31,830is completely valid. If you ifyou just want me127501:25:31,890 --> 01:25:34,410if you just let me give you thiscool. Let me give you a127601:25:34,410 --> 01:25:37,350comparison. So here's here's thenumbers coming out, right,127701:25:37,410 --> 01:25:40,590coming out of this right nowfeeds with new episodes, in the127801:25:40,590 --> 01:25:47,340last 90 days 490,960. Fees withnew episodes in the last 90127901:25:47,340 --> 01:25:54,240days, the Exclude anchor359,815. So you're talking about128001:25:54,240 --> 01:26:01,380150,000 Less podcasts that haveproduced a new episode in the128101:26:01,380 --> 01:26:05,070last 90 days, if you take anchorout of that equation, okay, to128201:26:05,070 --> 01:26:08,910me, that's a logarithmicdifference in the number in the128301:26:08,910 --> 01:26:14,400numbers here. So we're talkingabout, we're talking about big128401:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,760differences in the numbers. Andif people are just looking at,128501:26:17,820 --> 01:26:20,730if they're looking at headlinestats, it's sort of like CPR128601:26:20,730 --> 01:26:23,730versus, you know, headlineinflation or whatever. Versus128701:26:23,730 --> 01:26:27,810core inflation. Like, I don't Ithink we all know that, you128801:26:27,810 --> 01:26:33,150know, that 7% Inflation is BS.Like, give me the real No, no,128901:26:33,150 --> 01:26:35,610no, give me the real numbers.Okay. Right.129001:26:36,389 --> 01:26:38,849But inflation is somethingdifferent, because Inflation129101:26:38,849 --> 01:26:42,629affects people. Well, they havea number of the number of129201:26:42,629 --> 01:26:48,299episodes, the number of feeds onAnchor, that are, or the number129301:26:48,299 --> 01:26:52,079of shows with more than a feedwith more than it just doesn't129401:26:52,079 --> 01:26:54,689matter to me. And that's whatI'm just trying to understand129501:26:54,929 --> 01:26:57,719why I wanted you because you'renot a hosting company. So okay,129601:26:57,719 --> 01:27:01,199thank you. There's my answer. Atthe end, so the intended129701:27:01,409 --> 01:27:06,209audience is hosting companies.And that's okay, that's, that's129801:27:06,239 --> 01:27:07,739that was the question I asked129901:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,400a nut, not just hostingcompanies, hosting companies,130001:27:11,610 --> 01:27:15,150into anybody interested inbuilding a product within the130101:27:15,150 --> 01:27:20,340podcast world. If I think Ithink it's nice to know real130201:27:20,340 --> 01:27:24,120numbers, so that when you startto go into these things, you130301:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,030don't feel like you're buildinga service. If you go in, you130401:27:27,030 --> 01:27:30,570say, oh, man, there's a half amillion feeds put, you know,130501:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,800shows posting new episodesevery, every 90 days, you're130601:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,160like, Okay, we're gonna buildour, we're gonna build our MVP130701:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,860of our new product based onthese, you know, these big130801:27:40,860 --> 01:27:44,730numbers. If the numbers are farless, if the real numbers are130901:27:44,730 --> 01:27:48,810far less, you may not, you maydecide not to even build that131001:27:48,810 --> 01:27:53,580product. Like, I guess what I'muncomfortable with is people are131101:27:53,580 --> 01:27:57,870starting to take our numbers. Isee our numbers everywhere. And131201:27:57,870 --> 01:28:01,980I don't want that to misleadsomebody into thinking that the131301:28:01,980 --> 01:28:07,110podcast ecosystem can support aproduct that they may think131401:28:07,110 --> 01:28:12,270otherwise about. If they hadbetter numbers, okay. Okay.131501:28:13,440 --> 01:28:18,120General, I don't like aggregateanything. But I think I feel131601:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,520like if this one is going to beout there, and it's going to be131701:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,800people can download it to adatabase and look at it. I feel131801:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,500like we sort of owe it to peopleto give him the most accurate131901:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,250statistics132001:28:27,450 --> 01:28:36,330that are completely valid. Okay,cool. Solve now, because I mean,132101:28:36,330 --> 01:28:42,210for me, I like the I like it. Idon't like it in a way. I don't132201:28:42,210 --> 01:28:48,120like leaderboards in general.But I'm always happy to see the132301:28:48,150 --> 01:28:51,510fountain top 10 This week, orwhatever it is, I love seeing132401:28:51,510 --> 01:28:56,250that, just because there'sexcitement around it, and and it132501:28:56,250 --> 01:28:58,920excites the podcaster andexcites the people who are132601:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,790listening to those podcasts thatthat excitement is I really like132701:29:02,790 --> 01:29:09,150seeing that. So whenever I thinkstats, I think there was an132801:29:09,150 --> 01:29:13,920interesting conversation on Ithink, the pod news weekly132901:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,690review, formerly known as whatwas the thing called again, I133001:29:18,690 --> 01:29:22,800forgot what it used to be calledpod lane, pod land, right? You133101:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,610know about length of timelisten, which of course we have133201:29:26,610 --> 01:29:29,220that information too. Andthere's, you know, there's two133301:29:29,220 --> 01:29:33,300stats packages, I look at an A,it's phenomenal to see where133401:29:33,300 --> 01:29:36,210people are dropping off andwhere they're coming back in or133501:29:36,210 --> 01:29:39,630at all and where booths happen.That to me is a podcast or133601:29:39,630 --> 01:29:42,300someone who's producingprogramming. That's the kind of133701:29:42,300 --> 01:29:45,060stuff that that really excitesme. So I was just trying to133801:29:45,060 --> 01:29:49,050understand the intended audiencetotally get it. It's mainly and133901:29:49,050 --> 01:29:52,170I understand why you want itsince we're producing stats, you134001:29:52,170 --> 01:29:55,290want to have the best stats, Igot it. It makes total sense to134101:29:55,290 --> 01:29:55,530me.134201:29:57,810 --> 01:30:09,120Yeah. How's that coffee? Oscarokay sorry we get we get134301:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,620distracted with shiny thingssometimes134401:30:10,650 --> 01:30:17,850yeah we do we do but it's okayand and I saw the Spurlock page134501:30:17,910 --> 01:30:22,890Pro I think it's from Decemberfrom Livewire the way he laid134601:30:22,890 --> 01:30:27,210out the stats that you producedThat's That's sexy to look at134701:30:27,210 --> 01:30:32,790man. That's really cool. But itbut it missed the top was a134801:30:32,790 --> 01:30:35,580called thing was literallycalled Top podcast hosting COMM134901:30:35,580 --> 01:30:40,560Now that's not it which one wasit the stats? Podcast index135001:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,970statistics visualized.135101:30:43,260 --> 01:30:47,550Yeah, that's the one that that'sactually what made me do put135201:30:47,550 --> 01:30:50,160this stuff in there. It didn'treally take that long because I135301:30:50,160 --> 01:30:55,950was I saw that I was like, Manthat just looks, I feel I have135401:30:55,950 --> 01:31:01,290got this gut feeling that is,this is misleading. Because I135501:31:01,290 --> 01:31:05,880literally I look at I look at ifyou saw the river of nonsense135601:31:07,050 --> 01:31:12,210coming out of anchor Yeah, youwould be like, now, you know,135701:31:12,210 --> 01:31:15,660I've actually thought about justnot even including anchor135801:31:15,660 --> 01:31:19,800podcasts at all. Unless theyhave an iTunes ID associated135901:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,180with them. It's that bad. It's ariver of garbage. How136001:31:24,210 --> 01:31:29,100what is the discrepancy betweenthe value for value page on136101:31:29,100 --> 01:31:34,260podcast index, which shows10,957 versus the numbers from136201:31:34,260 --> 01:31:39,930December 3 In this live wire,which shows 11,280?136301:31:42,270 --> 01:31:47,400No idea. Okay. I'll have to Iwill resolve this discrepancy.136401:31:47,640 --> 01:31:48,030Yeah,136501:31:48,090 --> 01:31:50,670I mean, because that I mean,that's the number I look at. And136601:31:50,730 --> 01:31:56,070so I from first from a statisticstandpoint, here's here's the136701:31:56,070 --> 01:31:59,820stats, I really am interested inlove looking at value blocks,136801:31:59,820 --> 01:32:03,960transcripts, funding tags,chapters, music, medium of music136901:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,310medium of video. That's thestuff that I would like. I would137001:32:08,310 --> 01:32:12,090just say, when you're doingstats, as a participant, I would137101:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,600love to see that. That'sinteresting to me. Those are137201:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,290really cool. One137301:32:16,290 --> 01:32:21,360thing one thing that would becool to see as well is you could137401:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,050have like a shame leaderboardfor all the hosting companies137501:32:25,740 --> 01:32:30,150for each tag, so you could rankthe hosting companies based on137601:32:30,150 --> 01:32:33,630the percentage of their feedsthat implement each tag.137701:32:34,860 --> 01:32:40,590I don't really like shamingpeople but at least know how you137801:32:40,590 --> 01:32:42,150think Oscar real nice137901:32:44,910 --> 01:32:50,190wash a shame activity feed. Likefor all the for all the found138001:32:50,190 --> 01:32:54,990listeners that don't boost Hmm.There you go. This is the guy138101:32:54,990 --> 01:32:57,810that's been at the spin onfountain the longest and has138201:32:57,810 --> 01:32:58,170hasn't been138301:32:58,170 --> 01:33:04,440has been boosted any. Yeah. Huh.Okay. You want to thanks for138401:33:04,440 --> 01:33:07,770people? Yeah, definitely. We'vebeen getting a lot of boosts138501:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,920coming in during the show.You've probably heard the little138601:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,220sounds. And that's usually whenthere's a booster Graham coming138701:33:14,220 --> 01:33:21,030in. Let's see, Martin Linda'sCoke is over boosting 1776 We138801:33:21,030 --> 01:33:26,400have kinnexa 12345. Thank youvery much. says Hey, Oh, cheers,138901:33:26,400 --> 01:33:32,280Rene. We got Mike dell 54321.Blueberries really close to139001:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,460launching a bunch of newpodcasting 2.0 stuff next week?139101:33:35,460 --> 01:33:38,310Yes. Todd has been talking aboutthis. Do we have a an actual139201:33:38,310 --> 01:33:40,770list of what he's going to bethe crack and they're releasing139301:33:40,770 --> 01:33:45,180the crack and they're releasingthe crack and we have dreads139401:33:45,210 --> 01:33:49,500Dred Scott. Hello, Dred Scott.123456139501:33:50,580 --> 01:33:54,390Sakala 20 is blades only Impala139601:33:54,480 --> 01:34:02,040and he just says go podcasting.Thanks. Yeah, thank you so much,139701:34:02,040 --> 01:34:08,520Dr. Martin Linda's cog with arow of ducks. Martin I'm not139801:34:08,520 --> 01:34:13,110gonna read every single time youboost. Eric TP Eric peepee who139901:34:13,110 --> 01:34:17,640has actually been quite helpfulin the in the chat today. 33,333140001:34:17,640 --> 01:34:24,660Blueberry with a swing and a rowof dicks another 117 1776 Live140101:34:24,660 --> 01:34:32,310chapters he liked that idea.Okay. Martin says I wonder if I140201:34:32,310 --> 01:34:34,470can listen to your podcast atthe same time I'm writing the140301:34:34,470 --> 01:34:37,590show notes for episode Okay. I'mgoing to try and read the ones140401:34:37,590 --> 01:34:41,400that are relevant is anotherblueberry and Oscar we're very140501:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,890much looking forward to goinglive and fountain there's140601:34:43,890 --> 01:34:46,740numerous lit no agenda streamsthat are coming to chew140701:34:46,740 --> 01:34:49,500bubblegum and kick ass nowwhere's the GM? He says all140801:34:49,500 --> 01:34:57,240right. Contracts was 6969 and wewere talking what do we have a140901:34:57,270 --> 01:35:02,400back and forth with them Was itmore it's from, from get Alby141001:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,610about helping them morningonboarding? Yeah, that's that's141101:35:05,610 --> 01:35:09,930very What a cool idea. So the todo list him Yes. So the stat141201:35:09,930 --> 01:35:14,970your stats package wouldactually help you onboard. And141301:35:14,970 --> 01:35:18,990why not? Doesn't have to be anapp doesn't have to be podcast141401:35:18,990 --> 01:35:21,510or wallet can be any kind ofservice who can onboard? Yeah, I141501:35:21,510 --> 01:35:26,820like that very much. Let me seethere's Bumi still showcasing141601:35:26,820 --> 01:35:30,450booster grams with 5000 SATs twotimes. Five 5000 SATs Thank you141701:35:30,450 --> 01:35:34,470Bhoomi 30,000 from the tonerecord so much info coming141801:35:34,470 --> 01:35:37,200through in the past week withthe medium music tag, trying to141901:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,440follow RSS feeds from the NewWave leg V four v music site142001:35:40,440 --> 01:35:43,020helped me see how they coded myreleases there. We'll be able to142101:35:43,020 --> 01:35:47,010compare that against tone recordtracks podcast feed, so I expect142201:35:47,010 --> 01:35:50,940a full report for the boardmeeting by the next next time we142301:35:50,940 --> 01:35:55,380come together tone wrecker. I'dreally like to see it working142401:35:55,620 --> 01:36:00,840across the board. And I have noidea if I mean, the interface142501:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,810that Brees has is completelydifferent from the from the web,142601:36:03,810 --> 01:36:08,910and we'll have to see. Dobbydoes 25,000 SATs Thank you very142701:36:08,910 --> 01:36:13,860much. We have lightningmaximalists Oh, that's for no142801:36:13,860 --> 01:36:19,620agenda. I'm sorry. 25,000 frombore log, Borlaug thank you for142901:36:19,620 --> 01:36:21,300everything you're doingespecially all the teaching143001:36:21,300 --> 01:36:27,930you're doing along the way. Yes,very nice. We have I think that143101:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,990is Yeah, then I get to thedelimiter so that's what's been143201:36:30,990 --> 01:36:35,190boosting live as we've been livefor the past one hour and 36143301:36:35,190 --> 01:36:39,510minutes Shall we thank the restof our donors for our value for143401:36:39,510 --> 01:36:41,310value segment143501:36:41,700 --> 01:36:46,890we shall the we get one newsubscription monthly143601:36:46,890 --> 01:36:52,080subscription on PayPal fromTrevor at Z nor partners limited143701:36:52,620 --> 01:36:53,970$5 A month thank143801:36:53,970 --> 01:36:56,580you very much yeah that's that'sa whole server these days.143901:36:57,120 --> 01:37:01,200Yes thank you very much Trevor.And we've got that was only pay144001:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,680pal we got in one off this week.We got a bunch of histograms144101:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,970though we got hard hat 33 Oh 33No note from hard hat144201:37:10,080 --> 01:37:10,890sorry about144301:37:11,550 --> 01:37:16,470that some contracts in thebackground. Okay, we get are you144401:37:16,470 --> 01:37:20,610sitting down we get Farscape IanYeah 300,000 says144501:37:23,010 --> 01:37:25,68020 is Blaze only him Paulo I144601:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,290think with the bitcoin price nowthat's a new car144701:37:31,170 --> 01:37:34,230fountain Speak of the devil lovethe show. Y'all may be144801:37:34,230 --> 01:37:36,960interested in a project I'vebeen working on called Sovereign144901:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,590stack and helps you self hostedBitcoin only value for value145001:37:40,590 --> 01:37:45,150websites. Check it out sovereigndash stack.org And yeah,145101:37:45,180 --> 01:37:47,940I have seen him show up is veryinteresting. A lot of people145201:37:47,940 --> 01:37:51,030will dig in the stuff he puttogether they're so nice. I145301:37:51,030 --> 01:37:52,830haven't seen that nice package.145401:37:53,400 --> 01:37:59,670And lots of package talk today.Mere Mortals podcast 2222 Road145501:37:59,670 --> 01:38:02,520dogs through fountain he saysgotta agree with Adam, but put145601:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,150timestamps in my show notes inparentheses from my podcasts to145701:38:06,150 --> 01:38:09,900satisfy YouTube and Spotify.This was when I first started145801:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,810off though and was desperate todo anything to make it a better145901:38:12,810 --> 01:38:16,680experience for my non existentaudience. Now that is in146001:38:16,680 --> 01:38:22,290reference to our stop molestingyour show notes. Ah, yes. Cole146101:38:22,290 --> 01:38:27,600McCormick through fountain is inhis 5555 SAS he says mentioning146201:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,320the fountain charts I saw myshow at number 39 For most146301:38:31,350 --> 01:38:34,950supported around New Year'sfountain is the way rocket ship146401:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,480listen to America plus rocketship. Yes, America plus146501:38:39,510 --> 01:38:41,280to the moon to the moon.146601:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,750Jean been 2222 through Fontaninisays multiple years of uptime on146701:38:45,750 --> 01:38:48,450Adams server is a good use casefor the newest Colonel live146801:38:48,450 --> 01:38:51,270patching functionality. Mostdistributions have. That is a146901:38:51,270 --> 01:38:56,310good point. Oh, very good point.Satchel of Richards from Joe W.147001:38:56,310 --> 01:39:04,2301111. Note. Thank you, Joe. Oh,boy. 54321 through breeze and he147101:39:04,230 --> 01:39:07,410says Check out the new breezeSDK. Ooh,147201:39:08,010 --> 01:39:12,840I didn't know that they have anSDK. Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait.147301:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,380Whoa. Oh, we didn't get a momentmemo about this. What's147401:39:16,380 --> 01:39:16,770happening?147501:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,820Yeah. Yeah, he probably said iton telegram. Then I don't open147601:39:20,820 --> 01:39:27,150telegram check out the newbreeze SDK and making a note to147701:39:27,150 --> 01:39:30,570go check it out. And addnoncustodial lightning payments147801:39:30,570 --> 01:39:33,450to your app. Okay, well,147901:39:34,950 --> 01:39:39,300we oh, here we go. Lightning asa service. Is this the long148001:39:39,300 --> 01:39:41,520awaited Lightning as a service?148101:39:42,540 --> 01:39:45,030I don't know. I'm gonna I'mgonna holler at Roy since you148201:39:45,030 --> 01:39:45,960don't he says he doesn't.148301:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,900Yeah, please. Do you become adesign partner. Oh, okay. Oh,148401:39:51,900 --> 01:39:56,100this is this is it. This is thegreen light. Crucially, this SDK148501:39:56,100 --> 01:39:59,100is an end to end noncustodialdrop in solution powered by148601:39:59,100 --> 01:40:03,510Greenlight hub. Built in LSP, onchain interoperability, third148701:40:03,510 --> 01:40:06,630party Fiat on ramps and otherservices, you operate the gap.148801:40:07,080 --> 01:40:13,920It's everything. It's everythingyou ever wanted. I came for the148901:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,620apple pie and I got on boardedyour breeze wants to help you149001:40:16,620 --> 01:40:19,320thrive in the p2p Lightningeconomy. That's why we're149101:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,310developing this SDK developingkeyword. It's the easiest way to149201:40:23,310 --> 01:40:26,010tailor lightning to your ownenvironment, letting your users149301:40:26,010 --> 01:40:29,580send and receive p2p Bitcoinpayments directly from your app.149401:40:30,180 --> 01:40:30,810Cool.149501:40:31,440 --> 01:40:35,190Yeah. We're gonna let it ROI onthe show. No, no,149601:40:35,250 --> 01:40:37,980I'd love to have Roy on theshow. Now, Oscar,149701:40:38,640 --> 01:40:43,470you switched some of your backend or maybe all of your back149801:40:43,470 --> 01:40:45,810end to Zebedee. Is that right?149901:40:46,980 --> 01:40:51,210Yeah, that's right. So we arestill we still have our own node150001:40:51,510 --> 01:40:56,400on LM pay, which is, you know,it's our own node that we that150101:40:56,400 --> 01:41:01,590we run, but using Allen payssoftware. But we have switched150201:41:01,620 --> 01:41:05,220some of our back end over toZebedee.150301:41:06,300 --> 01:41:12,780Okay, so I guess was it was agood choice for you. And, like,150401:41:12,780 --> 01:41:16,260what? What benefits? Are yougetting out of that? Like, can150501:41:16,260 --> 01:41:17,370you tell me anything about it?150601:41:18,750 --> 01:41:24,480Yeah, so I guess the mainbenefit for us as a business as150701:41:24,480 --> 01:41:31,920an entity is the custodial risk.So Zebedee have the, you know,150801:41:32,010 --> 01:41:38,160the licenses, and all of the,you know, legal stuff to, you150901:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,270know, legally custody people'sfunds. And so for us, that just151001:41:42,420 --> 01:41:47,490takes a lot of the risk out ofwhat we're doing from a business151101:41:47,490 --> 01:41:50,640perspective, and lets us justfocus on, you know, the151201:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,750podcasting experience for users.And I think that's really151301:41:54,750 --> 01:41:59,760important as we grow, especiallywith the amount of the volumes151401:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,280as they go up, you know, thatwas just something that was151501:42:02,280 --> 01:42:06,810quite, you know, weighing,weighing heavy, obviously, when151601:42:06,810 --> 01:42:08,940you're talking about movingpeople's money around, so that's151701:42:08,940 --> 01:42:11,670the main benefit. Okay. Allright.151801:42:11,670 --> 01:42:13,470Cool. I love that you had donethat. Yeah.151901:42:13,650 --> 01:42:16,680I love seeing the name Zebedeeshow up in my Bible. I didn't152001:42:16,680 --> 01:42:17,940know it was a cool name.152101:42:20,490 --> 01:42:22,230First, second, Zebedee.152201:42:22,260 --> 01:42:27,120Yeah, but no, no, I've beenreading news and Bible study.152301:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,960And I keep saying, Oh, well,this got this name for that152401:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,510product from this and like, allthese different names that I152501:42:33,510 --> 01:42:36,150see, like, I'm sure people like,Hey, man, we need to see if we152601:42:36,150 --> 01:42:38,310can find the domain name. Let'scheck the Bible.152701:42:39,900 --> 01:42:48,450Z Candela these eco wallet is awallet. Oh, okay, Roy. Yeah,152801:42:48,450 --> 01:42:51,720well, well, I'll holler at you,Roy. Very cool, man. Very cool.152901:42:52,110 --> 01:42:57,030Dave Jackson. 10,000 SATs.Automatic. He says just got paid153001:42:57,030 --> 01:43:00,840today. Got me a pocketful ofchange. Go podcasting. Yo, yo,153101:43:00,840 --> 01:43:07,260yo. Let me ZZ Top reference fromde Jepsen. Yeah. Todd from153201:43:07,260 --> 01:43:11,190Northern Virginia. 33 333through breeze and he says, if153301:43:11,190 --> 01:43:14,040he's up for it, would love tohear Xavier on the show about153401:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,520his plans for podcast addict andpodcasting. 2.0 Yeah, I've153501:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,290reached out to Xavier before andhe very politely declined. said153601:43:22,290 --> 01:43:25,980that he's just not a he's justnot the kind of guy that wants153701:43:25,980 --> 01:43:26,610to go. Oh, that's153801:43:26,610 --> 01:43:29,400cool. So we love what he's doingthough. I love what he's doing.153901:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,310Yeah, if you ever change yourmind is a good place anytime.154001:43:33,060 --> 01:43:37,560Anytime. Anonymous 10,000 We getthat two times a mere mortals154101:43:37,560 --> 01:43:43,260podcast long row of ducks Big Ohumongous duck 2222 is like154201:43:43,260 --> 01:43:43,740mountain it's154301:43:43,740 --> 01:43:47,160like a whole duck hunt. It'slike the whole thing is gone154401:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,520nuts with the ducks. Crazy ducksDisco Duck.154501:43:51,180 --> 01:43:53,760Really appreciate your firmstance of not accepting154601:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,670sponsorships or outside moneyreally does highlight how154701:43:56,670 --> 01:43:58,830special this project is wheneveryone else is doing their154801:43:58,830 --> 01:44:02,100Year in Review. Apologies ifthat for accepting money from154901:44:02,100 --> 01:44:06,360FTX blog slot blog fi insert Xhere. You guys are amazing.155001:44:06,570 --> 01:44:14,130100 my eyes it was 197 Membersof Congress accepted money from155101:44:14,160 --> 01:44:19,650FTX almost a third of the USgovernment of the lawmakers of155201:44:19,650 --> 01:44:23,850the US government took moneyfrom FTX that's it and it's155301:44:23,850 --> 01:44:26,820across the board and RepublicansDemocrats in I don't know about155401:44:26,820 --> 01:44:32,400independence, but it's it reallyis. It just shows you how broken155501:44:32,400 --> 01:44:33,120that is.155601:44:33,420 --> 01:44:36,870Bro Yeah, you broke your garbageguy probably took money from FTX155701:44:36,870 --> 01:44:37,260is that155801:44:37,290 --> 01:44:39,450it's really incredible.155901:44:40,650 --> 01:44:44,580Clark Ian 54321 through fountainand he says Keep up the great156001:44:44,580 --> 01:44:48,600work GG no re tabletop RPGpodcast is back. Yay after a few156101:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,080months of winter hibernation.Good show. That's my buddy show.156201:44:52,350 --> 01:44:55,050We plan to play and releaseepisodes more regularly this156301:44:55,050 --> 01:44:57,660year. Now that we're lightningenabled, we hope to educate and156401:44:57,660 --> 01:45:00,270convert our patrons and dropPatreon altogether Give us a156501:45:00,270 --> 01:45:05,370listen. Yo whoa boost boostboost anonymous 10,000 sasco156601:45:05,370 --> 01:45:08,010podcasting go podcast156701:45:09,599 --> 01:45:12,509you know the anonymous I'mconvinced that most of those are156801:45:14,129 --> 01:45:18,179pod verse because oh really yeahI think we've been with an156901:45:18,179 --> 01:45:23,489update somewhere I becameanonymous to I sent like some157001:45:23,489 --> 01:45:28,919monster booster gram to newmedia show like 50,000 Another157101:45:28,919 --> 01:45:35,78950,000 as like anonymous 50,000Anonymous. Oh I want my name157201:45:35,789 --> 01:45:36,449jacked157301:45:36,870 --> 01:45:47,370is may see 36,969 SATs from acitizen pod verse nice. And the157401:45:47,370 --> 01:45:51,150note is need to reassure thelisteners that Richard Stallman157501:45:51,150 --> 01:45:57,720will not break into your home tobreak wind. Although he does cry157601:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,150every time a user logsthemselves into a proprietary157701:46:00,150 --> 01:46:01,020ecosystem157801:46:03,270 --> 01:46:05,940does anyone still know theRichard Stallman legend at this157901:46:05,940 --> 01:46:09,570point? I mean, he's getting upthere in the years.158001:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,230PS I apologize to anyone whogets offended at some of my158101:46:13,230 --> 01:46:15,780clips on pod verse. I justwanted to spread the158201:46:15,780 --> 01:46:19,560inspirational quotes that havegiven me hope. If I keep working158301:46:19,560 --> 01:46:23,160and boosting hard, perhaps I toowill be able to obtain wood when158401:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,330I'm Adams. Ah.158501:46:25,230 --> 01:46:26,940Wow man that's like158601:46:29,970 --> 01:46:33,510like this sloppiest backhandedcompliment I've ever seen.158701:46:33,870 --> 01:46:35,640I'm not sure it is a compliment,but158801:46:38,580 --> 01:46:44,790nice. Okay. Yeah. RichardStallman, man, the the epic158901:46:44,790 --> 01:46:49,110story of of his Is it hiscontract when he does a speaking159001:46:49,110 --> 01:46:53,730gig? You can Google that andfind it online. Like when if he159101:46:53,730 --> 01:46:58,950agrees to speak you have to youknow his speaking contract? The159201:46:58,950 --> 01:47:02,100stuff that's in it is quitehumorous.159301:47:02,490 --> 01:47:05,460Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah,there's all kinds of thing and159401:47:05,460 --> 01:47:08,670he doesn't want a hotel room. Hehas to stay with somebody. I159501:47:08,670 --> 01:47:09,210mean, he159601:47:09,690 --> 01:47:13,380got special food for his parrot.Yeah, that he brings those159701:47:13,380 --> 01:47:13,680right.159801:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,500I gotta give him props. He'svery consistent about that. I'm159901:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,770very high, high levelappreciation for that.160001:47:22,350 --> 01:47:26,790Follow up from a citizen 6969through pod verse. He says I160101:47:26,790 --> 01:47:29,670didn't forget to boost lastshow, but I was bamboozled. I'm160201:47:29,670 --> 01:47:32,580still on Team pod verse Butsometimes the confetti is a lie.160301:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,820Regarding the episode splits arenot supported on pod verse160401:47:35,820 --> 01:47:39,210discussion. I take it to meanthat boosting the lid doesn't160501:47:39,210 --> 01:47:41,040respect the episode split.160601:47:43,710 --> 01:47:50,460So Mitch did clarify this. Thatpod verse as long as it's in the160701:47:50,490 --> 01:47:54,810RSS feed then it does respectthe splits yet yes. Right. Okay.160801:47:54,810 --> 01:47:59,640So wishes of always the alwaysthe source of truth.160901:48:00,540 --> 01:48:02,640prospectus. Respect the split.161001:48:03,750 --> 01:48:06,000Do I like that?161101:48:06,510 --> 01:48:11,790C dubs one a one a one binaryboosts through boosts CLI and161201:48:11,790 --> 01:48:15,090he's doing it old school. Boostbot is now on noster and he161301:48:15,090 --> 01:48:18,780gives a long nostril addressnoster does ch slash blah blah161401:48:18,780 --> 01:48:20,700blah blah blah blah blah blahblah. Oh, cool.161501:48:20,760 --> 01:48:25,530I actually so so what does thatmean? So I don't know. Oh, yeah,161601:48:25,560 --> 01:48:26,130of course. You know what161701:48:26,130 --> 01:48:28,740I mean? Oh, here it is. Yes, itokay. Yeah, these put pumping161801:48:28,740 --> 01:48:31,920out the boost the boost botthrough noster Ah, yes. The161901:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,710emmalin let me see if I can findthat. That's kind of162001:48:34,710 --> 01:48:35,250interesting.162101:48:35,550 --> 01:48:40,500I clicked the link in it showsme all the boosts Ah, yeah.162201:48:40,530 --> 01:48:43,650Alright. Anonymous 5000 SATsthrough pod version. He says162301:48:43,650 --> 01:48:46,830send bitcoin boosts to yourfavorite podcasters with POD162401:48:46,830 --> 01:48:52,710verse plus lb hashtag FOSS.Nice. Blueberry scheduler162501:48:52,710 --> 01:48:55,770Richards 1111 through the boostCLI and he says testing162601:48:55,770 --> 01:49:01,560Attention, please. Paging Dr. C.Dubs. Okay. All righty. 10,000162701:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,020SATs from the market surferthrough pod verse. He says my162801:49:04,020 --> 01:49:07,980first boost. Easy guys. It's myfirst time thanks to the entire162901:49:07,980 --> 01:49:11,580community and especially SirAlex and Mitch, go podcasting.163001:49:11,610 --> 01:49:13,170Yo Yo Yo yo yo.163101:49:17,370 --> 01:49:21,6305000 SATs from anonymous again,and we got 20,000 SATs from Sir163201:49:21,630 --> 01:49:25,650dug on. Own a fountain. He saysthanks for the tip on loading up163301:49:25,650 --> 01:49:28,590fountain using a debit card.There you go.163401:49:29,250 --> 01:49:32,970It's a good tip. Oh, okay,Martin. Linda's code just just163501:49:33,240 --> 01:49:37,380came into top everybody. Well,oh, not exactly what he did163601:49:37,380 --> 01:49:45,030while he did what he did. He didthrow out a 123456 you get a163701:49:45,030 --> 01:49:48,870baller for 20 is Blaze. Only himPaola.163801:49:49,019 --> 01:49:50,489You got it. I got it.163901:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,350Boom, he gave us three threebatches of 5000 says thank you,164001:49:55,350 --> 01:49:59,970Martin. Let us go by the way.Yes, boom. Boom, he says us164101:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,880showcase things booster grams. Iguess he's demoing something.164201:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,370And then he gave two more Isthis still showcasing booster164301:50:05,370 --> 01:50:06,180grams? Okay.164401:50:06,540 --> 01:50:09,690I don't think we're seeing anycurio caster boosts today for164501:50:09,690 --> 01:50:10,440some reason.164601:50:11,430 --> 01:50:14,820Martin I wonder what Martin postwhat did he boost from164701:50:15,450 --> 01:50:21,990pod verse a lot most this is podverse, some fountain and the164801:50:21,990 --> 01:50:27,060boost CLI. But not to know Iknow that people are sending him164901:50:27,060 --> 01:50:29,070but it's not coming through forsome reason. Maybe it's not165001:50:29,070 --> 01:50:31,890coming through. I'm just on mynote anything. Anything's165101:50:31,890 --> 01:50:37,290possible. It's amazing. The shitworks at all. It is what I keep165201:50:37,290 --> 01:50:39,840telling my wife. She's like, youknow, if someone had a problem,165301:50:39,930 --> 01:50:44,910it's amazing. She works at all.I don't know what to say. Sorry.165401:50:44,940 --> 01:50:45,300Yeah.165501:50:46,500 --> 01:50:52,890Be be in 2222 He says working onchapters from my podcasts past165601:50:52,890 --> 01:50:56,760episodes was the best tool tobuild and deploy chapters. Well,165701:50:56,760 --> 01:50:57,690I would say HyperCard165801:50:57,690 --> 01:51:00,930like hyper capturing. Yeah,that's I love the cloud. The165901:51:00,930 --> 01:51:04,260cloud chapters. I love that drabdoes this for all of all the166001:51:04,260 --> 01:51:08,580shows I do and certainly forpodcasting 2.0 Yeah, for which166101:51:08,580 --> 01:51:13,320he receives a handsome split.across areas very, very, very166201:51:13,320 --> 01:51:13,980handsome, split.166301:51:14,730 --> 01:51:22,890lavish. 12345 through fountain,he says, You like space? Ball166401:51:22,890 --> 01:51:28,560against him? Yes. All right.Yeah, sure. The delimiter166501:51:28,560 --> 01:51:33,390chemistry blogger 30 3015 setsdo fountain and he says, Dave,166601:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,720Adam, the open source nature ofyour discourse is the most166701:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,050refreshing main course for theinformed podcast listeners you166801:51:40,050 --> 01:51:43,680have amassed with this fineproduct for dessert, perhaps166901:51:43,680 --> 01:51:47,220listen to AI dot cooking, whichcontains a selection of curated167001:51:47,220 --> 01:51:51,120news items about artificialintelligence. CSB prepares the167101:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,350selection, whilst uniquelyerudite glyph serves it up with167201:51:55,380 --> 01:51:56,610a Plone yo,167301:51:57,120 --> 01:52:00,960yo and thank you commerce, yourblogger, the man who had never167401:52:00,960 --> 01:52:06,990donated to any of my shows foralmost 15 years and then all of167501:52:06,990 --> 01:52:10,560a sudden boom he's on everysingle show. It's very much167601:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,730appreciated man love it.167701:52:12,450 --> 01:52:15,720He's becoming an he's becoming aquite adept writer of the167801:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,270English language. By the way,these booths are getting better167901:52:18,270 --> 01:52:19,020every week.168001:52:19,260 --> 01:52:25,110There's Dred Scott 1234570 PeteMartin's boots168101:52:28,590 --> 01:52:29,970on am Paula.168201:52:31,980 --> 01:52:33,720Boost battle commence.168301:52:34,589 --> 01:52:35,579Yeah,168401:52:35,610 --> 01:52:40,410I like it. We have monthlies.Yeah, we do. I had to grab them168501:52:40,410 --> 01:52:46,950off of the table here, monthliesTim's Tima Hudgins $25. My168601:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,680buddy, Paul Erskine $11.14.David would find $3 Jeremy168701:52:52,680 --> 01:52:56,070gerdts $5 And that's our groupfor today.168801:52:56,099 --> 01:52:59,399Thank you all very much. This isvalue for value. You can read168901:52:59,399 --> 01:53:03,419more about that at value numberfour value dot info but if you'd169001:53:03,419 --> 01:53:05,939like to support the show withvalue because you got something169101:53:05,939 --> 01:53:09,089out of it, which is not just theshow it is the liquidity on the169201:53:09,089 --> 01:53:17,669node it Martin lean disco KomodoSatoshis I can You can do it a169301:53:17,669 --> 01:53:23,219number of ways you can go topodcast index.org We have a an169401:53:23,219 --> 01:53:26,699on chain through tally coin ifyou want if you'd like to give169501:53:26,699 --> 01:53:32,669us some support that way we alsohave the Fiat fun coupons, which169601:53:32,669 --> 01:53:36,179of course is the gonna take alook at the tally coin. See if169701:53:36,179 --> 01:53:41,429we're see how we're doing again,if we got anything on chain. So169801:53:41,429 --> 01:53:45,719that's the big red donate buttonand outside of that we have no169901:53:45,719 --> 01:53:50,819third of January was the lastone on chain third of January. I170001:53:50,819 --> 01:53:55,409don't know if we missed thatone. Eric, Eric p p sent out on170101:53:55,409 --> 01:53:59,909January 3 30 33,317. I'm sorry.We must have missed out on the170201:53:59,909 --> 01:54:01,679last show. Sorry about that Ericp plus170301:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,660because we're so jaded abouttally coin.170401:54:03,690 --> 01:54:06,090We really are because it hasnever anything there.170501:54:07,020 --> 01:54:09,090redheaded stepchild nation170601:54:10,050 --> 01:54:14,910and all sudden that showed up.But really this. This is a170701:54:14,910 --> 01:54:19,860project that is supported by thepeople who are in it. Podcast170801:54:19,860 --> 01:54:23,550index dot social, if you want tojoin us there not for promoting170901:54:23,550 --> 01:54:26,670your podcast, but to be a partof the act of development. We'll171001:54:26,670 --> 01:54:30,030gladly give you an invite forthat. And of course get one of171101:54:30,030 --> 01:54:34,530those fantastic modern apps atnew podcast apps.com Now with171201:54:34,530 --> 01:54:35,850HTTPS171301:54:37,350 --> 01:54:39,630new podcast apps, but what aboutnew podcasts?171401:54:41,070 --> 01:54:44,310I don't run that. I don't knowwho who set that up. Let me see171501:54:44,310 --> 01:54:51,840you. Ah, Todd apps.com. works.171601:54:52,380 --> 01:54:56,400It is HTTPS compliant. Yes. Soyou can hit it with you can171701:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,100securely hit new podcast as fromany direction171801:55:00,539 --> 01:55:04,169And tell your friends about it,please. I get oh, there's curio171901:55:04,169 --> 01:55:08,969caster. Okay. Boo snaps Oh,Fatone record 403 SATs I guess?172001:55:10,049 --> 01:55:11,909I don't want to wonder why thatis I wonder if it's just not172101:55:11,909 --> 01:55:15,419coming through on my node?That's possible. Maybe? Who172201:55:15,419 --> 01:55:21,929knows? Ah, Oscar. Are you stillawake? Yeah, still here. Okay,172301:55:21,929 --> 01:55:25,589good. Really appreciate youcoming, especially staying up172401:55:25,589 --> 01:55:29,219late and then coming through thecoming to the board meeting with172501:55:29,219 --> 01:55:32,039us today. Is there anything elsewe can do for you? Is there any172601:55:32,039 --> 01:55:34,829support you need? You know, canwe send you some hookers and172701:55:34,829 --> 01:55:36,329blow? I mean, you just tell uswhat, you172801:55:39,360 --> 01:55:43,290know, I think all good. I thinkmy only one request to everyone172901:55:43,290 --> 01:55:50,070listening would be you know, nowthat we've got the on ramp with173001:55:50,160 --> 01:55:55,470Apple Pay, and with Google Pay,you know, now's a good time to173101:55:55,500 --> 01:55:59,700go and grab one of your friendsor family members or colleagues,173201:56:00,030 --> 01:56:05,070and just show them you know,podcasting 2.0 You know, it's173301:56:05,070 --> 01:56:08,370much easier than it was a coupleof weeks ago to get started on173401:56:08,370 --> 01:56:12,420fountain. So yeah, go and grab afriend. Grab a family member or173501:56:12,420 --> 01:56:15,900co worker or something and just,you know, onboard them.173601:56:16,920 --> 01:56:21,450Take Take your mom out to luncha long lunch, and and show her173701:56:21,450 --> 01:56:23,280how to use sound and get her onboard.173801:56:24,090 --> 01:56:25,110Yeah, exactly.173901:56:26,550 --> 01:56:30,480Alright, Dave. Yeah. What can Ido for you, brother? I've been174001:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,430doing the help desk becausethat's another week of help.174101:56:32,430 --> 01:56:33,060Don't have it?174201:56:33,090 --> 01:56:38,610Yes. You have. And it's beenit's been fantastic. It keeps174301:56:38,610 --> 01:56:41,640the wolves at bay. And then itgives me it gives me time to174401:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,490take care of their problems.Never heard back from that from174501:56:44,490 --> 01:56:45,660that takedown guy?174601:56:46,530 --> 01:56:49,980No, you asked him to explainhimself and he did not know174701:56:49,980 --> 01:56:53,250I just said could you pleasetell me what your company name174801:56:53,250 --> 01:56:55,920is? And just you know, show methat you are indeed you174901:56:55,920 --> 01:57:02,670represent Fox News. And curiouswhy you didn't do a the process175001:57:02,700 --> 01:57:05,490that is published of a DMCAtakedown.175101:57:06,300 --> 01:57:09,360I wonder if he ever actuallysin. I wonder if he ever175201:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,840actually hit Martin because hewas referencing pod a pod friend175301:57:12,840 --> 01:57:13,620URL? Yeah,175401:57:13,650 --> 01:57:19,590he was telling us to remove thisaccount. Okay. Yeah. All right.175501:57:19,590 --> 01:57:19,830Well, have175601:57:19,830 --> 01:57:21,930you gotten any take? Have yougotten any takedown stuff?175701:57:21,930 --> 01:57:24,300Oscar? Do you get pestered withthose?175801:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,090No, no haven't received any?175901:57:27,630 --> 01:57:29,910No, you're living the dreambrother. How do I get signed up176001:57:29,910 --> 01:57:30,930for whatever you're doing?176101:57:34,170 --> 01:57:37,350All right, gentlemen, perfectlyunder the wire one hour 57176201:57:37,350 --> 01:57:40,590minutes. This has been a veryvery invigorating board meeting176301:57:40,620 --> 01:57:45,570Oscar congratulations on allthis success. And you know I176401:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,320will be back next week with withmore to discuss what what are we176501:57:49,320 --> 01:57:51,810been missing? There's a lot ofstuff I know we're missing. DAVE176601:57:51,810 --> 01:57:54,450What are we not what are we nothit on today? So I can write it176701:57:54,450 --> 01:57:54,840down?176801:57:55,380 --> 01:57:58,350Oh, I mean, like, I mean, I'llhave to scan my notes and send176901:57:58,350 --> 01:58:00,720it to you. I mean, every week weonly make it halfway through my177001:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,380page. Which is on the long list177101:58:04,410 --> 01:58:06,690on the long list. All right,everybody in the chat. Thank you177201:58:06,690 --> 01:58:10,320very much for being with us litand live podcasting. 2.0 will177301:58:10,320 --> 01:58:13,110return next week and on theboard meeting You are cordially177401:58:13,110 --> 01:58:16,740invited and we'll see you thenhere on podcasting.177501:58:33,210 --> 01:58:37,740You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast177601:58:37,740 --> 01:58:40,440index.org for more information.177701:58:47,160 --> 01:58:48,240Podcasts are cool