Episode 115: Boosting in the New Year

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,850Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December30 2022 Episode 115 We're200:00:05,850 --> 00:00:11,760boosting in the new year. Onceagain time for the very last300:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,620board meeting of the year 2022Everything happening at podcast400:00:16,620 --> 00:00:21,540index.org Of course the lateston all things podcasting 2.0 and500:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,240whatever else is going on andbeing invented in the Mad600:00:24,240 --> 00:00:28,200laboratories at podcast indexdot social. I'm Adam curry here700:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,930in the heart of the Texas HillCountry and Alabama celebrating800:00:30,930 --> 00:00:34,17012 years with me and we neverhad a fight. Say hello to my900:00:34,170 --> 00:00:38,520friend on the other end. Ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1000:00:40,260 --> 00:00:43,770I got off early today a littlebit early from work. I'm1100:00:43,770 --> 00:00:45,720enjoying the adult beverage.1200:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,120Oh, you know what? It'sinteresting. You say that I am1300:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,430also enjoying an adult beverage.1400:00:50,850 --> 00:00:52,800What it would adult beverage Areyou?1500:00:53,489 --> 00:00:59,639I am imbibing AR GLA Rs. It iswell it's a very it's a it's a1600:00:59,849 --> 00:01:03,809it's a fancy pronunciation for a$10 wine called Argyle, but I1700:01:03,809 --> 00:01:11,519like to call it RG les. Makes mefeel better. Yes, exactly.1800:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,699That's just a general idea. No,I I did a podcast earlier with1900:01:14,699 --> 00:01:18,749Moe so no, I'm all warmed up andlike, hey, the sun is over the2000:01:18,749 --> 00:01:23,699yardarm. It's 10 After five, weare lit. Thank you, everybody2100:01:23,699 --> 00:01:27,449for for pre boosting us. And wemight as well say right off the2200:01:27,449 --> 00:01:32,039bat. We have an esteemed boardmember with us today. Ladies and2300:01:32,039 --> 00:01:35,459gentlemen, please say hello tothe honorable James Kirkland.2400:01:35,970 --> 00:01:40,530Thank you very much. It's greatto be here. It's very exciting.2500:01:40,530 --> 00:01:43,050I have an adult drink of acoffee in front of me because2600:01:43,050 --> 00:01:44,100it's nine in the morning here.2700:01:44,130 --> 00:01:47,490Oh, man, that's that's a Westweek. Really?2800:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,880You're blowing the wholeAustralian shrimp on the barbie2900:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,320mate thing are Irish,3000:01:52,590 --> 00:01:56,100Irish. And Irish that thing upwith a little bit of a little3100:01:56,100 --> 00:01:57,090bit of a single malt scotch.3200:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,040This is a knife. Yeah, you gothat's what was that? Oh, of3300:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,410course Crocodile Dundee.Whatever you eat Eat American.3400:02:04,830 --> 00:02:07,860Australia. Right? He's okay.It's not a knife. Mine. This is3500:02:07,860 --> 00:02:08,370a knife.3600:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,400I'm having a I'm having a eggnogblessed over eggnog from from3700:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,410the holidays with a shot ofcracking dark room. And it's3800:02:19,410 --> 00:02:20,130quite good.3900:02:20,220 --> 00:02:23,190Cracking dark room. Very nice.4000:02:23,579 --> 00:02:25,919Actually appropriate Mooseheadglass.4100:02:27,150 --> 00:02:29,070Actually ready for your rushboost?4200:02:29,670 --> 00:02:36,690Yeah, and I've also got somecucumber flavored Pringles4300:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,380potato chips.4400:02:37,410 --> 00:02:40,800Goodness, that sounds vile. Buthe didn't do arable. Oh, that's4500:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,340chemical.4600:02:41,940 --> 00:02:44,880We do this every year. We for myfor my kids, we have this4700:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,730traditional Christmas traditionof we go to the Asian market and4800:02:50,850 --> 00:02:54,840fill up our kids stockings withit. We buy things that we can't4900:02:54,870 --> 00:02:56,790they don't have any English onthem. So we don't know what they5000:02:56,790 --> 00:03:01,110taste like. And so it's alwayslike you put it you put it in5100:03:01,110 --> 00:03:03,360your mouth you're like, oh mygod, what is this?5200:03:04,260 --> 00:03:07,800Cucumber flavored when you sayAsian market? Is that? Is that a5300:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,490generalization? Or is itJapanese? Chinese Vietnamese,5400:03:11,490 --> 00:03:12,210Thai? It's5500:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,190literally called the Asianmarkets.5600:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,110It's an Alabama thing.5700:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,700Yeah, no, no, I mean there'sthere's some some form of you5800:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,130know, nationality that butthere's never the same. I mean,5900:03:23,910 --> 00:03:26,400it's it's an Asian marketconnected to a Chinese6000:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,620restaurant, but the guys thatcook the food they're all6100:03:28,950 --> 00:03:31,530Mexicans. I don't know what'sgoing on there as it is just6200:03:31,530 --> 00:03:32,520like it's popery.6300:03:32,580 --> 00:03:35,610I will start right off the batwith blueberry how to request6400:03:35,610 --> 00:03:38,610since we're all imbibing in inbeverages. You said Adam,6500:03:38,610 --> 00:03:42,180please, can you rip the bong forme before the show starts? I6600:03:42,270 --> 00:03:43,920gotta rip the mood right?6700:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,040Yes, chatrooms drinking, I thinkI opened the I think I cracked6800:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,310it open on this. Alright,everyone will have a syllabub6900:03:53,310 --> 00:03:59,040after the show. Do you knowsyllabub? No. syllabub is some7000:03:59,040 --> 00:04:06,360kind of French it's like aFrench whipped cream. Think7100:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,760dessert with this. It's got7200:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,020you just making this. Just gotcontra Contra. Oh, yeah. Cool.7300:04:13,050 --> 00:04:15,720Quatro on tall. Yes. Which Idrink on my seat.7400:04:20,490 --> 00:04:22,860I just want to sellsophisticated from once. Okay,7500:04:22,890 --> 00:04:25,230okay. Well, you're in the rightcrowd because we got you know,7600:04:25,320 --> 00:04:32,880we got the the Palmy Yeah.James. I think it was actually7700:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,250exact. Was it not exactly a yearago that you were here at the7800:04:35,250 --> 00:04:35,790board meeting?7900:04:35,820 --> 00:04:39,900It was exactly a year ago. Yes.It's, it's almost becoming a8000:04:39,900 --> 00:04:40,500tradition.8100:04:40,860 --> 00:04:43,950I like it. It was I remembervery stressful last year because8200:04:43,950 --> 00:04:48,780we went long. And our dog wasnew and had not been to the8300:04:48,780 --> 00:04:52,770whole boot camp and, and theneverything was freaking out and8400:04:52,770 --> 00:04:56,580one of our friends came by andshe was just going nuts. Just8500:04:56,730 --> 00:04:59,490and I and I made her to keep thelights off because I had a8600:04:59,490 --> 00:05:02,940buzzer Mike Mike, it was like,there was divorce worthy. I'll8700:05:02,940 --> 00:05:05,940tell you it was it was a closecall that one is close call.8800:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,900Yes, no, I remember that. Iremember the there was a, there8900:05:09,900 --> 00:05:13,950was a big, big five minutes ofsilence in the middle of that9000:05:13,950 --> 00:05:16,740show, of course edited out, but9100:05:17,340 --> 00:05:24,120I'll be right back, you guysfinish up Welcome to well9200:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,560prepared now this time wellprepared. Ah. So I guess we'll9300:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,980just go through a couple of acouple of things that are that9400:05:31,980 --> 00:05:34,140are in the news right nowactually, James, what did for9500:05:34,140 --> 00:05:38,070people who have not? Who I can'timagine, but it turns out9600:05:38,070 --> 00:05:43,290according to the OP three stats,we have 1600 unique listeners.9700:05:43,290 --> 00:05:46,110So maybe you should just leteverybody know who you are and9800:05:46,110 --> 00:05:46,740what you do.9900:05:47,370 --> 00:05:51,570Well, yes, I am the editor ofpod news, which is a daily10000:05:51,570 --> 00:05:55,410newsletter all about podcastingand on demand. And I present10100:05:56,100 --> 00:05:59,130present that's very Englishword, isn't it? And I host the10200:05:59,130 --> 00:06:01,680pot News Daily, which is a dailypodcast, which is essentially10300:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,160that in audio form and a weeklypodcast with my friend Sam Sethi10400:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,960called the podcast weeklyreview,10500:06:07,230 --> 00:06:09,540is we I think we both were atone point were considered10600:06:09,540 --> 00:06:12,030presenters, presenters. Yes,presenters,10700:06:12,060 --> 00:06:15,750it was it was it's a very, it'shere in Australia, you're called10800:06:15,750 --> 00:06:21,570an announcer. Confusing. And inIndia, you're called an RJ10900:06:21,900 --> 00:06:27,480and RJ, a radio jockey. And, youknow, when I was at MTV, and11000:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,640they This was back in the daywhen they were still kind of11100:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,460like, oh, well, everyone getsbusiness cards. Right? Okay,11200:06:32,580 --> 00:06:35,460cool. What do you want yourbusiness card? Just Adam curry?11300:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,260No, no, it has to have a title.Can I need to have nothing known11400:06:40,260 --> 00:06:44,640as every title? That we suggest,Vijay? I'm like, once you put11500:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,360fucking leper on there instead,he said no. How about air11600:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,020personality and produce? I gotit though. I got it. I got an11700:06:52,050 --> 00:06:54,450air personality and produce her11800:06:54,450 --> 00:06:59,310personality. I was able when Iworked at the BBC for a couple11900:06:59,310 --> 00:07:01,740of years, and I was able to youthere was just something on the12000:07:01,740 --> 00:07:04,620intranet where you could justfill in an order your business12100:07:04,620 --> 00:07:08,340cards. And I was and I was therethinking, do I just write12200:07:08,340 --> 00:07:10,410managing director on there?Would anybody know? Would12300:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,580anybody know? cage of gravityhead of gravity? There's a job12400:07:14,580 --> 00:07:15,330that you can't miss out.12500:07:16,380 --> 00:07:18,720You there with the Dutch? TheDutch guy, Eric.12600:07:19,290 --> 00:07:24,840I was Eric Eric huggers. Yes, Idid. I had lots of lots of12700:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,030entertaining stories about Yes,I12800:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,240know him quite well in Holland.Yeah, quite well. Yeah. He's one12900:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,660of those guys. He's a great guycan't do anything but gets great13000:07:33,660 --> 00:07:36,360jobs. You know what I mean?13100:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,130He did a ton of things while hewas there, he launched the13200:07:41,130 --> 00:07:44,220iPlayer Oh, I know that was thatwas actually he actually managed13300:07:44,220 --> 00:07:47,640to get that get that out and getthat done. So he was nominally13400:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,630my my boss. But because it wasthe BBC, I had another another13500:07:51,630 --> 00:07:54,480boss who was my day to day boss.And my day to day boss didn't13600:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,920agree with anything that Ericwas doing. It was just, it was13700:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,080just it was two years of my lifethat I will never get back.13800:08:01,110 --> 00:08:03,990He's just one of those guys thatjust pops up and like then he's,13900:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,780you know, like Blockbuster. Youknow, it's like taking that14000:08:06,780 --> 00:08:09,600digital and like, what do youhow do you get these jobs? Yeah.14100:08:09,600 --> 00:08:09,720And14200:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,020then and then and then Intel? Ithink he right? Yes. He was14300:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,530in charge of this specialprocessing units or something?14400:08:16,530 --> 00:08:19,980Yeah, he's got a good rap. Yeah,it's a hot Brazilian wife thinks14500:08:20,490 --> 00:08:22,410she's got some he's got somegood stuff going on. So I was14600:08:22,410 --> 00:08:27,330looking at my fountain statstoday. No, yes. Turns out that14700:08:27,330 --> 00:08:30,510I've been boosting you as one ofthe most of all the shows I14800:08:30,510 --> 00:08:31,290listened to.14900:08:32,850 --> 00:08:35,280Thank you. That's very kind of,you know, interesting.15000:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,860Now. It's like, yeah, 473,387SATs15100:08:40,950 --> 00:08:42,120was a lot to bitch about.15200:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,290That is the weekly review.Review. You're right. That's15300:08:46,290 --> 00:08:46,530where I've15400:08:48,570 --> 00:08:51,060been, and that's one of thethat's one of the brilliant15500:08:51,060 --> 00:08:54,450things about a booster gram. Isthat, yeah, the more angry Adam15600:08:54,450 --> 00:08:55,320gets, the more15700:08:56,370 --> 00:09:01,530I know, I know. More pissed off1000s I know, it's like I'm15800:09:01,530 --> 00:09:04,860gonna get your attention. Andyou're gonna say, oh, man,15900:09:04,860 --> 00:09:07,710sorry, I'm here. My node wasn'tconnected. Didn't see it in time16000:09:07,710 --> 00:09:16,620for the show. Being fair, I'mjust messing with you, man. Just16100:09:16,620 --> 00:09:16,800getting16200:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,290ready. The first second. Youknow, the, the 100% Retro work16300:09:22,770 --> 00:09:25,380was nice. And it was fun. Andthen there's been there seems to16400:09:25,380 --> 00:09:29,640be a lot of you've been talkinga lot about radio lately. James16500:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,620and I'm just wondering, I mean,how does this to me it to me the16600:09:34,620 --> 00:09:39,270way I see this? You know, thisis my naive mind my naivete I'm16700:09:39,270 --> 00:09:45,780sure is not being French word. Imean, I'm about to have syllabub16800:09:45,780 --> 00:09:51,930so I mean, that may the mynaivete is not as of a non16900:09:51,930 --> 00:09:57,810radio. You know, history here isthat you have this. You have17000:09:57,810 --> 00:10:01,890what is the you have millions ofof what Adam calls radio17100:10:01,890 --> 00:10:06,960receivers these podcast appsready to go? And like, doesn't17200:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,840that just seem like a fertilefield? For for live streaming?17300:10:13,710 --> 00:10:17,460To direct I mean, everybody'sEverybody's used to audio in a17400:10:18,090 --> 00:10:22,260in a podcast is audio in apodcast app, just us why just17500:10:22,290 --> 00:10:25,020just not a whole lot oftweaking, very, very little17600:10:25,020 --> 00:10:30,360tweaking could turn those allinto live radio tuners in a in a17700:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,020heartbeat. Does that make sensethat that would be something17800:10:34,050 --> 00:10:34,860that they would do.17900:10:35,730 --> 00:10:40,620I mean, and back in my long termhistory, I actually launched the18000:10:40,620 --> 00:10:44,100first streaming radio app for aradio station, I was working for18100:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,290a station called Virgin radio.And in March 2005, we launched18200:10:49,290 --> 00:10:52,800the first streaming app in theworld, which was very strange18300:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,300and got me into an awful lot oftrouble. But, yeah, I mean, I18400:10:57,300 --> 00:11:02,100think one of the real benefitsof radio of proper radio is that18500:11:02,100 --> 00:11:05,310is live is that you feel as ifyou're part of a community, you18600:11:05,310 --> 00:11:07,890feel as if there are otherpeople consuming the same stuff18700:11:07,890 --> 00:11:13,020as you do. That's what lets doesin the podcast field as well,18800:11:13,020 --> 00:11:15,810you know, you you feel and youcan hear while you're recording18900:11:15,810 --> 00:11:17,910this particular show, you canhear that there are other people19000:11:17,910 --> 00:11:21,930who are boosting right now. Andthat's a great thing. So the19100:11:21,930 --> 00:11:24,900benefits of radio are actually abit different to the benefits of19200:11:24,900 --> 00:11:28,170podcasting. Podcasting is verymuch more around you're in19300:11:28,170 --> 00:11:30,900control, you're listening to iton a device that you're holding19400:11:30,900 --> 00:11:36,270on to normally or it's certainlywithin arm's reach. And so19500:11:36,270 --> 00:11:38,580therefore, you can fast forwardthrough the boring bits, you19600:11:38,580 --> 00:11:42,420can, you can do all kinds ofstuff like that you can choose19700:11:42,420 --> 00:11:45,300different things to go and havea listen to. So they are quite19800:11:45,300 --> 00:11:48,090different. But I do think thatthere's something there in the19900:11:48,090 --> 00:11:54,000middle of radio, merging withthe podcast world and the the20000:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,350live experience of radio mergingwith the on demand experience of20100:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,470a podcast, there's somethingthere in the middle that I don't20200:12:01,470 --> 00:12:05,430think I think you're right, Idon't think has been fully, you20300:12:05,430 --> 00:12:10,200know, fully looked at by theradio industry, if I bet, you20400:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,320know, I mean, all that they careabout is keeping their am and20500:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,530FM, you know, sticks running.That's all that they really care20600:12:16,530 --> 00:12:16,770about.20700:12:17,250 --> 00:12:22,890I have 12 years of experiencewith this. And it was kind of20800:12:22,890 --> 00:12:26,340standard, nothing special. Andwhen I say 12 years of20900:12:26,340 --> 00:12:30,330experience, over 12 years, noagenda show has been streaming21000:12:30,330 --> 00:12:34,140while we record. And that's beenmainly because I record Direct21100:12:34,140 --> 00:12:38,070to Tape. There's never anyediting except for, you know,21200:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,190putting something in the frontas a little opening thing. Or if21300:12:41,190 --> 00:12:45,540there's a technical error. Andwe've had a stream for maybe 1321400:12:45,540 --> 00:12:50,280years, we've had a chat roomequally as long. But it wasn't21500:12:51,270 --> 00:12:56,820really until well, actually, Iwould say it's more this show in21600:12:56,820 --> 00:12:59,610the past two years. That got memuch more interested in21700:12:59,610 --> 00:13:04,530interacting with with the chatroom. And, and you're right,21800:13:04,530 --> 00:13:08,100James, the thing that's reallyunique, and I would say most21900:13:08,100 --> 00:13:12,420radio. So much has changed sinceI was doing radio when people22000:13:12,450 --> 00:13:14,670you know, the way to feed backto the show was people in the22100:13:14,670 --> 00:13:18,510car, maybe on their cell phoneor sometimes at the office or at22200:13:18,510 --> 00:13:24,450home, turn your radio down here.But the booster gram element,22300:13:25,020 --> 00:13:28,770and I've witnessed it now fromboth sides, from things coming22400:13:28,770 --> 00:13:32,520in people commenting in realtime, and I finally for the22500:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,110first time it happened was itWednesday, I think I got a ping22600:13:37,110 --> 00:13:40,170that new media show was goinglive. I've been waiting for this22700:13:40,170 --> 00:13:43,380for two months for this to work.So being that goes I'm like22800:13:43,410 --> 00:13:46,710right away, boom 50,000.Although I thought Tom was a22900:13:46,710 --> 00:13:48,780little demure, he could havebeen a little happier about my23000:13:48,780 --> 00:13:52,47050,000 sat. Boosting grant, but23100:13:53,069 --> 00:13:54,269laid it down a little bit.23200:13:54,719 --> 00:13:59,489Oh, there's Adam was 50,000.Okay. So yeah, get your own.com23300:14:00,119 --> 00:14:06,329that's right on. It read that'sthe payoff, by the way. That's23400:14:06,329 --> 00:14:12,509better than get your own dogcalm. It was really, really good23500:14:12,509 --> 00:14:17,249experience. And it's definitelynew. So what we have right now,23600:14:17,879 --> 00:14:23,429is we have a lot of people doingvideo, YouTube Live video, you23700:14:23,429 --> 00:14:26,789know, put a lot of work intothat. And they are in fact doing23800:14:26,789 --> 00:14:29,009the same thing. They'restreaming. That's where the23900:14:29,039 --> 00:14:33,089Super Chat comes from. They'reall you know, they're very24000:14:33,089 --> 00:14:38,819invested in the video aspect.But this, it's a new beast, I24100:14:38,819 --> 00:14:43,259think lit is in a way a categoryof its own. It's something24200:14:43,259 --> 00:14:48,119different and I like treatingthe eye just like a studio24300:14:48,119 --> 00:14:51,059audience. Now, I'd like to seethat we have people in the chat24400:14:51,059 --> 00:14:55,799room. It could be 50 65,000Doesn't matter of fact, you24500:14:55,799 --> 00:14:59,309know, 1000 is probably more thanenough. You're just people24600:14:59,309 --> 00:15:02,489yapping away. and feeding stuffback. And you know, you read24700:15:02,489 --> 00:15:05,579stuff. You don't always have tomention it. But it's a it's a24800:15:05,579 --> 00:15:08,489category. There's a radio guy,where I'm used to running the24900:15:08,489 --> 00:15:11,939board. I'm used to seeing havingmultiple things going on while25000:15:11,939 --> 00:15:14,579I'm having a conversation. Andthen I can see over here, oh,25100:15:14,579 --> 00:15:16,859people are chat. And Dave,you've gotten pretty good at it,25200:15:16,859 --> 00:15:19,979too. You're also you have youstarting to develop that. Oh,25300:15:19,979 --> 00:15:21,899something here in the chat roomwhile I'm talking.25400:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,740Yeah, it's different. I mean,it's different. And I think25500:15:25,740 --> 00:15:30,420like, and I think that could beyou said, you know, I'm starting25600:15:30,420 --> 00:15:33,510to get the feel for it. And Ithink also listeners, it may be25700:15:33,510 --> 00:15:38,070a listener, teaching thing, likeone thing I noticed from looking25800:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,150at John Spurlock's top secret,you know, sure25900:15:42,180 --> 00:15:46,230that everyone got an email fornow. Thanks. Yeah, right. Why26000:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,370first name here?26100:15:49,410 --> 00:15:51,630Is your top secret don't gotalking about26200:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,300Hi podcast or in brackets. Thething that the thing that I26300:15:57,300 --> 00:16:00,420learned from that is that,especially with our show, but26400:16:00,420 --> 00:16:04,890also for nogen, as well, there'sa lot of, there's been a lot of,26500:16:05,100 --> 00:16:08,460of movement. If you look atthings like like Oh, no agenda,26600:16:08,460 --> 00:16:12,240the one that stood out to me waspod vers pod versus blipped,26700:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,950like 5%. Because promoting it aslit, that's what we say you can26800:16:16,950 --> 00:16:20,550move the needle as a as a host,you can move the needle on your26900:16:20,550 --> 00:16:23,790listener behavior. And so thesame thing like I think you can27000:16:23,790 --> 00:16:30,150teach the listener to also enjoythe live experience it I mean,27100:16:30,150 --> 00:16:32,040not it's not going to be foreverybody, not everybody's gonna27200:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,920love it. But a thing like Tomfrom Buzzsprout texted me a27300:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,890couple of weeks ago. And it'slike, he saw that he was on27400:16:37,890 --> 00:16:42,060Twitter, and he saw the the hesaw the pod paying to go live.27500:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,580And he just popped it andlistened to it and pod version.27600:16:44,580 --> 00:16:45,720He was like, Hey, this is reallycool.27700:16:45,750 --> 00:16:49,110I mean, this is this is also theelement that I think what people27800:16:49,110 --> 00:16:56,100got so excited about clubhousewas kind of the same idea where27900:16:56,220 --> 00:16:59,700you have an alert mechanism,like something's going live, oh,28000:16:59,700 --> 00:17:03,600my God, I don't want to be leftout, something's happening. You28100:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,720can click the right in there,you hear people talking, you28200:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,380have an opportunity toparticipate in limited manner.28300:17:10,380 --> 00:17:14,280But you look at some of theseguys, like blueberry and all the28400:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,070things to fucking crazy. Theygot if you send, you know, six28500:17:17,070 --> 00:17:20,640to 6000 SATs, you get adifferent jingle that fires and28600:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,940there's all kinds of ways youcan enhance this. And at James28700:17:23,940 --> 00:17:28,380that is really, to me when allyour interactive read you and we28800:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,560all heard it, we probably evenboth gigs that someone paid us28900:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,900to do something we knew was wasstupid, but there will be29000:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,830interactive radio. This isreally it. It really is a new29100:17:37,830 --> 00:17:41,640category. And there's enoughpeople who are doing live video29200:17:41,850 --> 00:17:44,280that they should surely be ableto, and I think probably more29300:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,500profitably be able to do justlive audio.29400:17:46,530 --> 00:17:51,300Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree.And I think also if you if you29500:17:51,300 --> 00:17:54,300look at it from the podcast,hosting companies point of view,29600:17:54,750 --> 00:17:58,020the biggest risk to theirbusiness, the biggest risk to29700:17:58,020 --> 00:18:03,390somebody like Todd or you know,the Lipson crowd, or pod bean or29800:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,920sprout. The excellent folks atBuzzsprout still haven't really29900:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,920signed for next year. The big,the biggest risk to them is that30000:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,170people get bored of podcastingbecause they don't get any30100:18:19,170 --> 00:18:23,220feedback. And so they stoppedproducing a podcast. So anything30200:18:23,220 --> 00:18:28,320that helps them retain thatcustomer is an investment into,30300:18:28,590 --> 00:18:32,400you know, it's really expensiveto get a customer, all of that30400:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,130marketing, all of that excellentsponsorship of the pod news,30500:18:35,130 --> 00:18:38,550weekly review, hell, all of thatstuff is really expensive, but30600:18:38,550 --> 00:18:43,410once they are in, don't losethem when they start losing30700:18:43,410 --> 00:18:47,760interest. And so, you know,things like comments, things30800:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,260like live comments is really,really important. I think, and30900:18:52,260 --> 00:18:57,630I'm really surprised at how fewpodcast hosting companies have31000:18:57,630 --> 00:19:00,780really grasped this yet thatactually, you know, the thing31100:19:00,780 --> 00:19:05,370for them is to keep theircurrent customers really fired31200:19:05,370 --> 00:19:09,030up about what they're doing. Andthere are podcast companies that31300:19:09,030 --> 00:19:12,510do all of these things, youknow, sending you emails, you31400:19:12,510 --> 00:19:16,050know, well done, you've got10,000 downloads now, and well31500:19:16,050 --> 00:19:18,300done, you've got 100,000downloads now, and those are31600:19:18,300 --> 00:19:22,560really good examples of that.But actually much better is key31700:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,130is what your audience is saying.And that's why people get so31800:19:26,130 --> 00:19:30,000excited about Apple podcasts,ratings and reviews, you know,31900:19:30,180 --> 00:19:30,840yeah, that's32000:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,380a very inferior feedbackmechanism. Whereas what I've32100:19:34,380 --> 00:19:38,160always said about value forvalue is you get one buddy to32200:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,610fire up one of the 2.0 apps andlisten to your show. And you can32300:19:44,610 --> 00:19:47,850see it with Todd oh my godthere's another one another one32400:19:47,850 --> 00:19:52,080sack because lb does every everytransaction. So it's like boom32500:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,420that Oh, there's another someanother minute from somebody,32600:19:54,630 --> 00:19:58,230but I have the same i iSometimes will just sit at home32700:19:58,830 --> 00:20:04,200and now fire up Um, you know,what is our what is that zap oh,32800:20:04,200 --> 00:20:10,440five to zap wallet, go look atthe podcasting 2.0 node, and it32900:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,680and it does transactionsenrollment in real time. And33000:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,750also and it's all one set. Butit's, you'll see like 2025 a33100:20:18,750 --> 00:20:22,110minute. And I'm just I'm notlooking at Satoshis. I'm like,33200:20:22,770 --> 00:20:27,030There's 25 Different peopleusing apps right now that are33300:20:27,030 --> 00:20:30,180listening to podcast. It's aKindle. It's so cool. And when33400:20:30,180 --> 00:20:33,690it happens to my own podcast, wesee stuff it doesn't it's not33500:20:33,690 --> 00:20:36,600about the money. It's aboutexactly what you said, Oh, my33600:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,570God, there's someone on theother end somewhere. And they're33700:20:39,570 --> 00:20:42,540signaling to me that they'relistening. I mean, as a as a33800:20:42,540 --> 00:20:46,470radio guy, you couldn't get thatyou couldn't get you got the33900:20:46,470 --> 00:20:48,390ratings, which you feared, ofcourse.34000:20:49,379 --> 00:20:52,259I mean, I did the evening showon the on one of the radio34100:20:52,259 --> 00:20:55,049stations that that I worked for.And I did the evening show for34200:20:56,099 --> 00:20:59,399about two and a half years. Andthe first year I did a big thing34300:20:59,399 --> 00:21:02,429of it's my birthday soon. Don'tforget March, the 18th. It's my34400:21:02,429 --> 00:21:06,869birthday, here's the address forthe for the radio station, send34500:21:06,869 --> 00:21:09,719in all of your presents, I'mreally looking forward to them34600:21:09,839 --> 00:21:13,259and made this whole thing aboutthe fact that it was my birthday34700:21:13,259 --> 00:21:16,109and everything else. And thelast year that I was doing it, I34800:21:16,109 --> 00:21:19,049didn't mention my birthday atall, because I had given my34900:21:19,049 --> 00:21:21,599notice here and I was stoppingduring the show. I didn't even35000:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,759know if I'd be on on mybirthday, because they typically35100:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,189take you off a little bit early.So35200:21:26,190 --> 00:21:29,160once one that no one wants tonotice. Yeah. And you're good to35300:21:29,160 --> 00:21:29,460go.35400:21:29,490 --> 00:21:33,000Yeah, then then that's basicallyit. And so I didn't mention it35500:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,670at all. I get to the and thiswas in the early 1990s where,35600:21:38,670 --> 00:21:41,070you know, there were no suchthings as electronic diaries or35700:21:41,070 --> 00:21:45,180email or anything else, youknow, for most people so so I35800:21:45,180 --> 00:21:48,450get in to the radio station. Onmy birthday, I have a look in35900:21:48,450 --> 00:21:55,320my, in my physical inbox, wherethey used to put the post and,36000:21:55,890 --> 00:22:01,020and there was six birthdaycards. Oh, six birthday cards,36100:22:01,170 --> 00:22:06,900where people had written my nameand and the address down 1236200:22:06,900 --> 00:22:10,410months previously. Oh, it's thisguy's birthday. And so they sent36300:22:10,410 --> 00:22:11,490me another birthday.36400:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,630Cool. No, that told you exactly.Yeah, yeah,36500:22:15,660 --> 00:22:16,680I mean, only six. But36600:22:18,390 --> 00:22:24,540I remember. Now, I was gonna sayzero MTV, I had been in this36700:22:24,540 --> 00:22:28,230game so early, we had MTV justsend me a postcard send me a36800:22:28,230 --> 00:22:34,170letter I had at any givenmoment. Eight to 10 for mail36900:22:34,170 --> 00:22:39,450bags full meal was impossible toget through. So but I would have37000:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,060them in the bathroom. And so ifeither me or the sound guy was37100:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,580my friend, we're taking a dump,like, you know, you can take a37200:22:44,580 --> 00:22:46,440dump but just read a coupleletters and see if there's37300:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,440anything in there. For me. It'skind of like, kind of like a tax37400:22:49,950 --> 00:22:50,430tax.37500:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,480There was a there was a guycalled Knoll Edmonds who used to37600:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,720do the Radio One breakfast showin the UK, and then went on to37700:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,830to TV and stuff. And he wastelling a story about the fact37800:23:01,830 --> 00:23:06,240that he he used to get mail bagsof, of posts and things and you37900:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,440know, postcards and all this,all this kind of stuff. And then38000:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,160he was away from radio for about20 years, came back to radio and38100:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,040did a couple of weeks on anafternoon show. And of course,38200:23:20,670 --> 00:23:24,300the way that we send feedbackhad completely changed and you38300:23:24,300 --> 00:23:30,240didn't get postcards, right?Text messages or text messages38400:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,590right right in front of yourface which didn't have to pay38500:23:35,190 --> 00:23:38,820people which people paid for youcould you could reverse charge38600:23:38,820 --> 00:23:42,060that will cost you 25 Pence or50 Pence or whatever it so38700:23:42,060 --> 00:23:47,370anyway, he does his first hishis first presents break or show38800:23:47,370 --> 00:23:50,460link you know, he talks for thefirst time Oh, then closes,38900:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,370closes closes his microphone.And things right that's my first39000:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,610as my first talkie bit overlooks up at the screen, which is39100:23:59,610 --> 00:24:03,360right in front of his face. AndI'm going to swear now. And the39200:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,040first the first text that hesees, said Who let that bearded39300:24:08,070 --> 00:24:12,720untalented to get back on thefirst day he says39400:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,850not to swear word in America39500:24:15,990 --> 00:24:21,690is okay. Yeah, so it's, youknow, so so things have really39600:24:21,690 --> 00:24:25,980changed. But actually, the needfor direct feedback is a really39700:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,590important thing. And whetherthat's direct feedback in terms39800:24:28,590 --> 00:24:31,290of chat rooms, or whether that'sdirect feedback in terms of39900:24:31,290 --> 00:24:34,230comments and cross out comments,you know, hugely important. I40000:24:34,230 --> 00:24:34,590think40100:24:34,710 --> 00:24:37,470you nailed it. It's aboutcommunity. And by the way, Dave40200:24:37,470 --> 00:24:40,650Jones, do you see what you seewhen you you uncork two radio40300:24:40,650 --> 00:24:43,320dudes, we're gonna go talkingfor 20 minutes about radio.40400:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,650So I'll only have threequestions on my entire piece of40500:24:46,650 --> 00:24:48,870paper here because I know thateach one of us goes for 4540600:24:48,870 --> 00:24:49,230minutes.40700:24:50,190 --> 00:24:55,200So that's one. I just want tothank Mitch, he stomped on all40800:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320the pod verse bugs with thevalue for value issues I was40900:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,980having on graphene OS grantedI'm, you know, I'm out there I'm41000:25:01,980 --> 00:25:06,390not your traditional guidebecause I use a different41100:25:06,390 --> 00:25:10,320operating system worksbeautifully. I'm super happy.41200:25:11,370 --> 00:25:14,760Now that Alby stays connectedand everything and that boosts41300:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,240buttons come up, it's reallyit's really a nice app. I mean,41400:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,830it's really good and God bless41500:25:19,830 --> 00:25:26,370Mitch for for making the the nonGoogled Android phones first41600:25:26,370 --> 00:25:29,640class citizens I mean, that'snot easy stuff to do. It goes41700:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,590the extra mile to make sure thatstuff works. That41800:25:31,590 --> 00:25:34,290breeze does that as well. I'llgive my props to breeze and by41900:25:34,290 --> 00:25:37,920the way, I stomped on a breezebug Hello, I feel pretty did you42000:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,950fail you found it I feel prettypowerful about that. I didn't42100:25:40,950 --> 00:25:46,020get no bounty or anything thehell this was I'm looking at so42200:25:46,020 --> 00:25:52,500I'm looking at get Alby stat andthe Saturn stats and and it has42300:25:52,530 --> 00:25:56,790no I'm sorry, the continent wascontracts. Well, anyway, it was42400:25:56,790 --> 00:26:01,410one of the two stats packagesfor get Albion I'm seeing these42500:26:01,410 --> 00:26:04,860weird booster grams like everysingle time, a breeze booster42600:26:04,860 --> 00:26:08,790gram came in, it started a wholenew episode. As in the stats,42700:26:08,790 --> 00:26:13,830I'm like, What is going on here?So and this coincided with an42800:26:13,830 --> 00:26:17,100RSS feed bug, which I thoughtwas a bug, but I messed it up42900:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,250and you were helping me stomp onthat. So I'm like, is this43000:26:20,250 --> 00:26:24,840something that is related to theRSS feed? And you'll always DNS43100:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,540first? No, it's not DNS. Here'sthe RSS feed. Now it wasn't43200:26:27,540 --> 00:26:32,010that. And then I think well, andthen I go looking in the GitHub,43300:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,310and it was asked who wouldpropose to send along the43400:26:35,310 --> 00:26:38,640episode, the podcast indexepisode ID with each booster43500:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,640gram, which is the standard,which is what they're doing as43600:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,780well. And I see I know that,that was about two weeks ago.43700:26:46,050 --> 00:26:50,550That's when my app updated. Andnow it's like, okay, this is no43800:26:50,550 --> 00:26:55,050coincidence. So I say, Hey, areyou sending the right idea over?43900:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080And Roy goes into Yeah, man,that looks good. When you're44000:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,280talking about that Hollywoodboy. Hollywood boy, step back44100:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,570Hollywood, Hollywood,44200:27:04,290 --> 00:27:05,190talking about gamers do44300:27:05,190 --> 00:27:09,360their work, looked at the codeman's good. And luckily, he44400:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,330asked someone with actualknowledge to take a look and44500:27:15,390 --> 00:27:18,330comes back. Oh, we were sendingour internal episode ID or44600:27:18,330 --> 00:27:23,970supply or something that changedregularly. So we fixed it hasn't44700:27:23,970 --> 00:27:25,380been updated yet. But fixed.44800:27:25,410 --> 00:27:27,660Just pour, pour yourself adrink? Roy?44900:27:28,950 --> 00:27:30,210I felt really good about it.45000:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,410No, no, that was great. BecauseI was thinking that it was some45100:27:34,410 --> 00:27:38,340like, I forgot, I was thinkingthere was some sort of like,45200:27:38,790 --> 00:27:42,720type issue with the title of theepisode or something like that.45300:27:42,720 --> 00:27:49,380No, you went all the way. Youknow that. That? So there's been45400:27:49,380 --> 00:27:54,180a lot of discussion about crossapp comments, and like, where45500:27:54,180 --> 00:27:58,980things are, where it's going? Imean, we knew from the beginning45600:27:58,980 --> 00:28:02,820that this was clearly going tobe the hardest, the hardest one45700:28:02,820 --> 00:28:07,440of all. And, I mean, for variousreasons, most of them, most of45800:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,710which are actually nottechnical. Correct. There are45900:28:10,710 --> 00:28:13,350technical reasons. I mean, youknow, activity province. And46000:28:13,410 --> 00:28:18,630activity Pub is not as simpleprotocol. It's not super easy,46100:28:18,630 --> 00:28:21,750like some others are. So there'sa little bit of complexity to46200:28:21,750 --> 00:28:24,900it, but then you add on thecomplexity of moderation and,46300:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,860and the political side ofthings. And I mean, it's just46400:28:28,860 --> 00:28:34,590not an easy thing to do andtrying to get adoption. So like,46500:28:34,890 --> 00:28:38,850I think one, you know, Alextexted me last week, after the46600:28:38,850 --> 00:28:42,360show. And he made a point, hesaid, you know, he said, What46700:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,920y'all miss, y'all missed thefact that this is a whole new46800:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,970class of user, the whole newclass of podcast listener that46900:28:50,970 --> 00:28:55,080we're talking about here. So andI think, and I agree with him, I47000:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,070agree with what he said. He, youknow, I think what he's what47100:28:59,070 --> 00:29:05,760he's saying here is that, wherewe may not be talking about, but47200:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,270when I think podcast listener, Ithink of myself. You know,47300:29:09,270 --> 00:29:12,270that's just the so theselfishness of human nature, I47400:29:12,270 --> 00:29:15,390think of, you know, it's theonly thing I know, I'm a podcast47500:29:15,390 --> 00:29:19,560listener. So I envisioned myselfmultiplied millions of times,47600:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,960and that's what podcastlisteners are. But that's,47700:29:21,990 --> 00:29:25,800that's, that's blind, that'sbeing blind. Because it's47800:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,370probably, you know, there's allvarious kinds of podcast47900:29:29,370 --> 00:29:32,760listeners, I hear some shows,and somebody talks about how48000:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,310they listen to podcasts. And I'mlike, Oh, well, that's, that's48100:29:35,310 --> 00:29:39,450odd. That's not anything like Ido it. And so I wonder, you48200:29:39,450 --> 00:29:42,270know, I think what I think thepoint Alex was trying to make48300:29:42,270 --> 00:29:47,790was that there's a differentclass of, of listener out there48400:29:47,790 --> 00:29:52,110we know that this class of, of,of listener or viewer or48500:29:52,110 --> 00:29:55,500whatever you want to call itexists, because they are their48600:29:55,500 --> 00:30:01,680own YouTube, Twitch, others ortheir services. because, as you48700:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,150made the point, James, in yourGitHub post, you can just look48800:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,960at our YouTube live stream. Andthere's tons of comments. And48900:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,750I'm not talking about the livechat, the Super Chat. There's49000:30:12,750 --> 00:30:16,950comments. Yeah, the chat exists.And then there's also lots and49100:30:16,950 --> 00:30:21,270lots of comments. So whoeverthat person is, that class of49200:30:21,270 --> 00:30:25,530person that likes to leavecomments on the videos, or, you49300:30:25,530 --> 00:30:31,110know, that's the person that cangrow podcasting by us bringing49400:30:31,110 --> 00:30:35,760them into, we can we can getthat person over into49500:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,530podcasting. 2.0, as you know,with those features, because49600:30:40,530 --> 00:30:43,290there's something they'reclearly addicted to something49700:30:43,290 --> 00:30:46,440about commenting. And the funnything is, you know, I don't know49800:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,160what how much moderation plays arole in this. But a lot of49900:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,490times, you know, you see acomment you, you go to a YouTube50000:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,540video, in the car, the topcomments, they're pretty funny.50100:30:57,570 --> 00:31:00,420I mean, like, you scroll throughthe first two or three, they're50200:31:00,420 --> 00:31:03,420pretty good. And I'm surethere's a lot of moderation50300:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,870that's happening there. But Idon't know, I think that's just50400:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,810a good point to think of is thatmaybe we're not talking about50500:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,290taking existing podcastlisteners and turning them into50600:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,290commenters. But bringing in anew class of user50700:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,910you're so I agree with a couplethings. One. That's called a50800:31:20,910 --> 00:31:25,320cheap two gram. Yeah, justbecause you don't want to pay50900:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,880for a boost. Alex doesn't meanthat, you know, back channeling51000:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640you just out of cheapness.There's, there's another thing51100:31:32,640 --> 00:31:39,060to consider. App developers havetheir own view of this. This is51200:31:39,060 --> 00:31:42,870my app. And I have comments onmy app and how they're not51300:31:42,870 --> 00:31:46,380necessarily I'm not accusingit's not an accusation. In fact,51400:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,430it's, it's very understandable.Unfortunately, the the guy who51500:31:50,430 --> 00:31:54,690was the greatest example of thatisn't really with us anymore.51600:31:54,930 --> 00:31:58,200He's not dead. But Martin frompod friend, he was very clear51700:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,440like, no, no, I don't if I'mgoing to comments in my app, I51800:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,590want comments everywhere onevery single podcast. And he saw51900:32:04,590 --> 00:32:10,440it from that vantage point,which I also understand. To me,52000:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,190personally, and I want to makesure we didn't lose anything in52100:32:14,190 --> 00:32:19,470the translation, James. I didn'tsay I'm giving up on cross out52200:32:19,470 --> 00:32:24,060comments. I said, I'm tired ofasking for it. I don't see the52300:32:24,060 --> 00:32:26,760momentum. And as we say, in thebusiness, you can't beat a52400:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,670number one hit out of wax. Youknow, if something doesn't52500:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,240catch, I'm trained to pull backand move on to something else.52600:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,970And if you see something thatcatches, then I'm always52700:32:35,970 --> 00:32:38,460interested in it. Now. Thatdoesn't mean that lightning52800:32:38,460 --> 00:32:40,800comments are crossed upcomments. I'm just saying,52900:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,140Here's what I'm seeing that'sworking. Here's what's enjoyable53000:32:43,140 --> 00:32:48,210to me. And the third thing I'llsay, and I'll shut up is that my53100:32:48,210 --> 00:32:54,300listeners know agenda listenersalready are in a mastodon53200:32:54,300 --> 00:33:00,600community, we have limited themastodon to 10,000 users. But of53300:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,620course, there's 1000s More whofollow and interact with us53400:33:04,620 --> 00:33:10,140across the fediverse. I set upthe comments thread, people use53500:33:10,140 --> 00:33:14,430it, you go to an app that showsit i pod verse, and you can see53600:33:14,430 --> 00:33:19,350it. The complaints there are,it's not underneath the episode,53700:33:19,350 --> 00:33:22,830the way they are on a YouTubevideo, there are three swipes to53800:33:22,830 --> 00:33:27,210the left in and you can'tinteract immediately. Because I53900:33:27,210 --> 00:33:32,550think I have part of that newlistener. So my frustration is I54000:33:32,550 --> 00:33:35,550can't get the last twos. I'vegot the threads. I've got people54100:33:35,550 --> 00:33:38,220interacting. I've got everybodyread it, read it. I've got54200:33:38,220 --> 00:33:43,350people using the app to listento the to lit. Give me that last54300:33:43,350 --> 00:33:46,500bit. You know, it's like, justlike the booster Graham. And54400:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,440that's comes back to yourYouTube comment, or Alex's54500:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,270YouTube comment. I gotta belooking at something. Maybe I'm54600:33:54,270 --> 00:33:56,670looking at the interface. I'mlooking at the album art. I'm54700:33:56,670 --> 00:34:00,390looking at the play button. I'mlooking at the slider. And54800:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,900that's where I got to do mycomments, not three, four swipes54900:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,080left or right. It's all about UXin my mind.55000:34:14,010 --> 00:34:15,570No, no, no, no, no developer55100:34:15,570 --> 00:34:16,350response.55200:34:16,830 --> 00:34:20,880I'm processing because yourwhat's your your your is55300:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,000interesting, because I didn'trealize that your see it sounds55400:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,330like what you're saying is thatyour frustration comes from the55500:34:27,330 --> 00:34:29,940fact that you're almost there.But you're not you can't get55600:34:29,940 --> 00:34:30,660over the last two.55700:34:30,690 --> 00:34:33,660Yes, yes. Yes. Thank you. Yes,exactly.55800:34:34,140 --> 00:34:38,970It's an heiress lesson is thatwe'll see this goes back to our55900:34:38,970 --> 00:34:42,480discussion before about, I thinkevery time we discuss this,56000:34:42,480 --> 00:34:42,810it's,56100:34:43,230 --> 00:34:46,770we get better. We get better, weget better. Right?56200:34:46,770 --> 00:34:51,480But you know, and so, because itgoes back to our discussion from56300:34:51,540 --> 00:34:54,390a few weeks ago where we weretalking about visibility, and56400:34:54,390 --> 00:34:58,860the problem is that the problemis there's a Okay, let's just56500:34:58,860 --> 00:35:04,680take activity pub for a second.Activity pub. Most people's56600:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,070interaction with activity Pub isgoing to happen in a mastodon56700:35:08,070 --> 00:35:10,530client. We've just got to behonest about that. That's what's56800:35:10,530 --> 00:35:15,570going to happen. It's mastodon.It's very it's happening. It is56900:35:15,570 --> 00:35:21,150happening. It's done. So the,that's what they that's where57000:35:21,150 --> 00:35:28,050they're commenting at. That'svery disconnected from the57100:35:28,050 --> 00:35:33,840podcast app. So, the, the, itseems like what we need to57200:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,550bridge that together. So thatis, the reality of the situation57300:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,420is that if I comment inMastodon, it will show up in pod57400:35:42,420 --> 00:35:46,500verse. And if pod versesupported, you know, posting57500:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,560comments back, it would viceversa, and vice versa, it would57600:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,280show up in Mastodon, but peopledon't people don't know that.57700:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,030Well. There's no sense ofcontinuity there.57800:35:57,270 --> 00:36:00,690Yeah, but also, thank you forstarting it off by looking at57900:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,530the stats, I hadn't evenrealized it. No one knew about58000:36:04,710 --> 00:36:08,550pod verse lit until I told them.And I told them, and I kept58100:36:08,550 --> 00:36:11,970telling them, I kept tellingthem, I think if, and this is a58200:36:11,970 --> 00:36:18,000gentleman, James, if he's stillawake, the general idea that all58300:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,440of these things should show upin the same place. So I feel is58400:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,770just as valid to have boosterGraham show up. Maybe it shows58500:36:25,770 --> 00:36:30,300up as a boost bot or whatever inthe in the thread in the in the58600:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,660activity pub thread. That's likethe chat room that you know, and58700:36:33,660 --> 00:36:35,580I didn't hook all this up, Idon't know why it works.58800:36:35,580 --> 00:36:38,010Magically, this shit works, Igot boost bots, all kinds of58900:36:38,010 --> 00:36:43,620stuff happening, that and sohave that incorporated, and59000:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,010maybe even. And this I think issomething Alex has been59100:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,710championing for separate thepayment from the message if if59200:36:52,740 --> 00:36:58,620appropriate, where you may bedoing an activity pub comment.59300:36:59,010 --> 00:37:01,950Maybe you want to add a boost tothat?59400:37:02,670 --> 00:37:03,630Yeah, okay. Yeah,59500:37:03,660 --> 00:37:08,070we talked about once before thethe the activity that the59600:37:08,070 --> 00:37:15,030booster grams go, they start thethread, you know, that, that's59700:37:15,030 --> 00:37:18,780probably where this needs to gois that the booster grams. As59800:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,860they're happening, they getcrossed, posted over to the root59900:37:22,860 --> 00:37:26,730positivity pub, which is a greatidea. I'm gonna build that60000:37:28,230 --> 00:37:35,370gem, the pod sage gets asoldering iron. James, please60100:37:35,370 --> 00:37:38,040jump in, because you're veryopinionated. And I appreciate60200:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,910your thoughts on this.60300:37:39,720 --> 00:37:45,900I. So one thing that worries meis having three separate places60400:37:45,900 --> 00:37:51,720to chat and to comment, and toleave messages that are intended60500:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,470to be public messages. So itreally worries me that we've got60600:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,560a thing called booster gramsover here. And then a thing60700:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,800called Activity Powerball acrossthat comments or whatever that60800:38:01,830 --> 00:38:04,590thing is going to work. And thenwe start talking about noster.60900:38:05,490 --> 00:38:10,260And then we and then we have a,you know, an IRC chat room as61000:38:10,260 --> 00:38:17,040well. All of my experience incommunity shows that you need a61100:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,850nobody goes into this is goingto be a very English saying that61200:38:20,850 --> 00:38:24,660nobody goes in, nobody goes intoan empty pub, right? You always61300:38:24,660 --> 00:38:27,420want you always want to be goingin somewhere where there are61400:38:27,420 --> 00:38:32,100other people already there. Andso therefore making something61500:38:32,490 --> 00:38:35,460you know, sharding, yourcomments into three or four61600:38:35,460 --> 00:38:40,350separate lists is justdifficult. So it'd be really61700:38:40,350 --> 00:38:44,640good to see a booster ground,for example, automatically61800:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,680appear in the activity pub. Andthat's social proof showing that61900:38:49,830 --> 00:38:53,400oh, so and so has just given100,000 SATs. That's that's a62000:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,610great thing. Maybe I should bedoing that. So you've got that62100:38:56,610 --> 00:38:58,860that kind of side of it. Theother the other thing I would62200:38:58,860 --> 00:39:04,650say is that activity pub. Yes,it's a really complicated. It's62300:39:04,650 --> 00:39:08,790a really complicated protocol touse and everything else. But62400:39:08,790 --> 00:39:12,210actually, we don't need to, wegenuinely do not need to care62500:39:12,210 --> 00:39:15,840about that. All that the podcastapp developer needs to care62600:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,610about is the mastodon API,because of the mastodon API is62700:39:20,610 --> 00:39:28,140supported by other fediverseprotocols. Yeah, and so all you62800:39:28,140 --> 00:39:33,420have to have in your app is youhave to have the correct Oh auth62900:39:33,450 --> 00:39:37,980once so that you're signing intoyour into your your activity pub63000:39:37,980 --> 00:39:42,900account. Once you have done thatonce and that's a hurdle to get63100:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,170through but once you've donethat once then you can post63200:39:46,620 --> 00:39:50,850under your own activity pubaccount. It occurs to me that if63300:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,870you are you know if yourfountain which I'm an advisor63400:39:54,870 --> 00:39:59,910for but also you know, pot verseor any any of those other any of63500:39:59,910 --> 00:40:03,780that as other people, it occursto me that if you do not have an63600:40:03,780 --> 00:40:08,340activity pub account, thenfountain or whoever, you know,63700:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,690it's not expensive to run anactivity pub server. Mastodon63800:40:12,690 --> 00:40:16,560server literally, yeah, Mastodonserver? Yeah, it's not, it's not63900:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,260massively expensive to end updoing that you could do that64000:40:19,260 --> 00:40:21,780under the hood, you probablydon't even need to tell people64100:40:21,780 --> 00:40:24,540where it is. But you couldactually do that under the hood64200:40:24,540 --> 00:40:27,870and, and abstract all of thatcomplicated stuff away so that64300:40:27,870 --> 00:40:32,160you end up with something whichis, you know, which just which64400:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,090just works.64500:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,720So, are you saying, sorry? Areyou saying that? And by the way,64600:40:36,750 --> 00:40:39,690you only have to disclose itonce per show? Are you saying64700:40:39,690 --> 00:40:44,010that the idea is to haveeverything flow into activity64800:40:44,010 --> 00:40:48,270pub slash Mastodon for themastodon API, everything flows,64900:40:48,270 --> 00:40:51,000everything flows into the rootpost and what the apps are65000:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,770showing, ultimately, is theactivity pub output.65100:40:56,970 --> 00:41:00,750I think that's certainly one wayof doing it. Yeah, yeah. And I65200:41:00,750 --> 00:41:05,160think if you were to do that,then everything remains open,65300:41:05,190 --> 00:41:09,330everything remainsdecentralized. Everything is, is65400:41:09,330 --> 00:41:11,970there. And and that's a slightchange to how histograms have65500:41:11,970 --> 00:41:16,770worked in the past Mr. Graham'shave kind of been kind of quasi65600:41:16,770 --> 00:41:19,530private, yes, I'm sending abooster gram in because you65700:41:19,530 --> 00:41:22,650might read it out. But they'realso you don't have to read it65800:41:22,650 --> 00:41:25,650out, then there might be aprivate thing. And I think we65900:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,560just need to, you know, makethat a little bit more obvious66000:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,130in the UI. But I think, again, aquite a lot of this comes back66100:41:32,130 --> 00:41:36,450to the UI. And what what youwere saying earlier, Adam, quite66200:41:36,450 --> 00:41:39,300a lot of the issues that youhave with cross out comments at66300:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,120the moment, are actually nottechnical issues at all grade66400:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,380their issues around their issuesaround, it's really hard to find66500:41:46,650 --> 00:41:53,040the cross comments in a typicalpodcast app. And it would be66600:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,160great if there was a way ofdoing that more, you know,66700:41:56,490 --> 00:41:59,040simply the other boat. But bythe way, just the other. The66800:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,460other thing I was just going tosay is the pod friend comment66900:42:02,490 --> 00:42:06,780about I want all podcasts on mysystem to have comments,67000:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,690completely agree with that. Andif you have a look at good67100:42:09,690 --> 00:42:16,050ponds, which is a podcast app,which is wishes out there, they67200:42:16,050 --> 00:42:20,100already have comments for everysingle podcast out there. The67300:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,700concern is, I have no ideawhether anybody's commenting on67400:42:23,700 --> 00:42:27,210any of the stuff I do. And andI'm not necessarily because I67500:42:27,210 --> 00:42:29,520don't use the app, I'm notnecessarily going to go and have67600:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,760a look at that app all the time.If there was a way for those67700:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,580comments to be, instead of justwithin that garden, yeah, to be67800:42:38,580 --> 00:42:42,900federated out. And that might befloated out using a good pods.67900:42:43,170 --> 00:42:46,890Mustard on server? I don't know.But that seems to me to be the68000:42:46,890 --> 00:42:48,420most the most sensible plan.68100:42:48,450 --> 00:42:52,350I think that the good podsexample is perfect. Is very68200:42:52,350 --> 00:42:56,250analogous to YouTube, becausewho owns your audience? Good68300:42:56,250 --> 00:43:00,450pots, who owns your audience?YouTube? What Why are people68400:43:00,450 --> 00:43:03,480using youtube comments is rightthere in your face. It's right68500:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,330there in your face. Yeah, yourcomments right there. And you68600:43:06,330 --> 00:43:10,200can read them while you'rewatching. And or listening. It's68700:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,190just a UX thing. It and I agreethat what you and I think what68800:43:14,190 --> 00:43:17,970you're saying is you log intoyour instance once, and then68900:43:17,970 --> 00:43:22,260you're always able to comment inin any any of the threads69000:43:22,260 --> 00:43:25,200because you know, it's activitypop, because you don't69100:43:26,220 --> 00:43:29,100know exactly, yeah. And if youif you do it that way, if you69200:43:29,100 --> 00:43:34,680log in, it takes burden off theapp for there, the app isn't69300:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,950having to moderate, the app isnot having to run and run an69400:43:37,950 --> 00:43:41,400activity pub system, the appsnot having to do the back end of69500:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,660the app stays the same. And whatyou're doing is just you're69600:43:46,170 --> 00:43:50,610putting, if I have to if if ifin order to comment, I have to69700:43:50,610 --> 00:43:55,350log in to my activity to myMastodon remarkable Roma, or69800:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,490whatever this is, if I have tolog into the thing that I'm69900:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960already posting with andinteracting with, then the owner70000:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,050of that instance, the existingmoderation that happens on the70100:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,320instance is in charge, the appdoesn't have to take70200:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,780responsibility for themoderation of anything.70300:44:13,439 --> 00:44:18,179Unless Unless Unless do this theother the other way if I'm a70400:44:18,179 --> 00:44:22,169brand new user and a brand newuser to you know who whoever it70500:44:22,169 --> 00:44:26,699might be fountain or good podsor whatever. Then actually the70600:44:26,729 --> 00:44:31,139the the de facto is that as Isign in to the app, it70700:44:31,139 --> 00:44:34,829automatically builds behind thescenes it automatically makes an70800:44:34,829 --> 00:44:40,259activity pub account for me ontheir own Mastodon server. So70900:44:40,289 --> 00:44:44,069they're not having to sign intoany of this now you can go in in71000:44:44,069 --> 00:44:47,489the in the advanced settings andsign into my own activity pub71100:44:47,489 --> 00:44:51,299stuff in the future. That'sfine. But I think actually just71200:44:51,299 --> 00:44:55,229make it really simple so thatwhen you if I've, if I've signed71300:44:55,229 --> 00:44:59,969into fountain or signed into andI don't speak on their behalf71400:44:59,999 --> 00:45:03,359Obviously, but if I've signedinto, you know, good pods, then71500:45:03,359 --> 00:45:06,749it's automatically builtsomething in the back end71600:45:06,749 --> 00:45:12,419because all of those API's areavailable. It's just, it's just,71700:45:12,419 --> 00:45:17,729you know, having to have a, youknow, a mastodon server or71800:45:17,729 --> 00:45:22,469something similar or a Romaserver hidden away. There for71900:45:22,469 --> 00:45:26,189those users that don't alreadyhave one. I think I think it's a72000:45:26,189 --> 00:45:31,079really simple in invertedcommas, simple mechanism. And if72100:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,409there's a way of tying in abooster Graham so that instead72200:45:34,409 --> 00:45:38,009of sending the message in thebooster gram, you send the72300:45:38,009 --> 00:45:40,799message on the activity pub, andyou send a pointer in the72400:45:40,799 --> 00:45:45,179booster gram message that thengets rid of the length issues72500:45:45,179 --> 00:45:48,719that we've got with boostergrams. It gets rid of, you know,72600:45:48,749 --> 00:45:51,689it gets rid of an awful lot ofthe issues of having two72700:45:51,689 --> 00:45:56,369separate commenting systems thatare apart. And you pull72800:45:56,369 --> 00:45:58,859everything back to the activitypub, where those are all72900:45:58,859 --> 00:46:00,389federated. And where you go,73000:46:00,420 --> 00:46:04,200was that something Alex was wasevangelizing for Dave to73100:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,670separate the two out or am I73200:46:05,790 --> 00:46:07,650misunderstood? Yeah, yeah,that's Yeah, that's right. And73300:46:07,650 --> 00:46:08,370he built?73400:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,370He built a whole spec for it,didn't they? Yeah, the JpT. Of73500:46:11,370 --> 00:46:19,020course, yeah. Yeah. So thatthat's, yeah, I think that's a73600:46:19,020 --> 00:46:21,390good way to go. And the reason Isay I'll just I'll build it is73700:46:21,390 --> 00:46:30,690because I think it's, it soundsfairly simple to do. And it73800:46:30,690 --> 00:46:33,870would give it visibility, whichI just think that's the biggest,73900:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,230that's the that is the stumblingblock. That's the suffering74000:46:37,230 --> 00:46:40,560point right now is, is thevisibility. And so anything that74100:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,160can be done, to put it in frontof people to make it more74200:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,760visible, I mean, hell, I'll putit on the website. I mean, you74300:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880know, we can put surfacesgovernments can already. Yeah,74400:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,180there you74500:46:51,180 --> 00:46:56,400go. There you go. Now, I used toput for a while I was putting74600:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,540booster ground comments that Iwas getting, from the pod News74700:47:00,540 --> 00:47:04,110Daily, on to the pond newswebsite, which I was able to do,74800:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,870through through something thatOscar was doing at the time. And74900:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,210that again, you know, it'sreally good. It's really helpful75000:47:12,210 --> 00:47:14,820social proof, showing that otherpeople are leaving comments75100:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,970showing that other people, youknow, what, what other people75200:47:17,970 --> 00:47:21,570are leaving what other peopleare saying, super useful. And I75300:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,520think, you know, again, thisdoes come back to, if you're a75400:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,350podcaster, then it's actuallyquite lonely. Because you don't75500:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,380hear from your audience. Youdon't see your audience. You75600:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,830don't have any clue other thanhaving a look at some op three75700:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,580stats, whether or not anybody'sactually having a listen. But as75800:47:41,580 --> 00:47:44,160soon as you start getting thecomments in as soon as you start75900:47:44,310 --> 00:47:47,820seeing that community, all of asudden, wow, this is such an76000:47:47,820 --> 00:47:48,690exciting thing. This76100:47:48,690 --> 00:47:51,450is the kind of information andfeedback that a host like76200:47:51,450 --> 00:47:53,880Buzzsprout should be sponsoringyour show for76300:47:57,180 --> 00:47:59,010I think they're gonna sign it'sjust that they've not sent the76400:47:59,010 --> 00:47:59,490paperwork.76500:47:59,609 --> 00:48:03,989I'm just I'm just trying to helpanybody raise money anybody any76600:48:03,989 --> 00:48:04,469Thank you.76700:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,690Any stats or put stats are apoor substitute for that.76800:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,140But that's, you know, if youYeah,76900:48:14,250 --> 00:48:15,570exactly it if you77000:48:15,570 --> 00:48:19,770ask anybody what why do you likethis host they got great stats.77100:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,950It's not because of the statsbecause what do you get a number77200:48:22,950 --> 00:48:26,280and oh, I pitch someone inLithuania. I mean, that's pretty77300:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,760much the idea but that's it'snot about the numbers it's about77400:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,940the love the feedback thatyou're not really getting it's77500:48:33,270 --> 00:48:38,220it's fake almost it's it's anaggregation. It's not that one77600:48:38,220 --> 00:48:40,950to one. It's not that communitywhich podcasting is so good at77700:48:40,950 --> 00:48:41,700turns out77800:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,430the only thing wrong with thatis there's not really anybody in77900:48:44,430 --> 00:48:45,060Lithuania.78000:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,290Lithuania and what are youtalking about? Yeah, but78100:48:49,290 --> 00:48:51,870she's here. She's not there. Oh,that's right. The one Lithuanian78200:48:51,870 --> 00:48:55,290is here. You're right. Yes. Likepeople from Vermont don't exist.78300:48:55,290 --> 00:48:55,470She's78400:48:55,470 --> 00:49:01,590a backup Russian basically thinkof the bat. Now, James brought78500:49:01,590 --> 00:49:04,110up Nastar. I just wanted to saysomething not about noster78600:49:04,110 --> 00:49:10,140specifically, but about theconcept of these types of peer78700:49:10,140 --> 00:49:14,430to peer systems, storagesystems, you know, IPFS and you78800:49:14,430 --> 00:49:17,580know, there's a whole bunch ofdifferent things that are out78900:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,130there that we've talked aboutmany times. And I had an79000:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,160experience or ChristopherEisenstein and I had an79100:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,550experience which was verytelling and I want to share79200:49:26,550 --> 00:49:31,980that. So Christopher who was thethe OPML RSS feed hound, what79300:49:31,980 --> 00:49:34,320was his nickname? Sweetest thesweetest tricolor sweetest79400:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,570trick? So he's gotten that intohis into his craw with you, I79500:49:39,570 --> 00:49:43,860think you're conspiring with himto rebuild the entire entire79600:49:43,890 --> 00:49:48,390entire daily source code archivefeed, he's looking for images,79700:49:48,390 --> 00:49:53,940he's gonna do a complete 2.0 Imean, the whole works. And for a79800:49:53,940 --> 00:49:58,140whole number of reasons. I don'thave an archive of all these79900:49:58,140 --> 00:50:05,190shows. And he finds one singlebit torrent Sync Node still80000:50:05,190 --> 00:50:10,230running. And I used to publishmy DSC at a certain point all on80100:50:10,230 --> 00:50:13,920BT sync, if anybody can rememberit. I remember that. Yeah. And80200:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,650Bt sync also had this promisethat they would be able to you80300:50:16,650 --> 00:50:19,650be able to do live, livestreaming and everyone, it would80400:50:19,650 --> 00:50:22,140be shared bandwidth. Youwouldn't need a server and then80500:50:22,350 --> 00:50:25,470I think they pivoted gotacquired or something happened.80600:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,270But the fact that, oh, mygoodness, how many years is it80700:50:30,270 --> 00:50:33,420now? I don't know, when I when Idid the last daily source code.80800:50:34,530 --> 00:50:37,680In fact, 10 years that they'reall80900:50:37,710 --> 00:50:42,900still available, despite domainname changes company going out81000:50:42,900 --> 00:50:48,030of business being sold. No idea,no two divorces, three81100:50:48,030 --> 00:50:53,130marriages. And there's one loneperson still running a BT Sync81200:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,550Node with those archives thatsays something about these81300:50:56,550 --> 00:50:58,440systems that cannot bediscounted.81400:51:00,180 --> 00:51:02,580That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah,that's a good but I mean,81500:51:02,580 --> 00:51:04,050that's, that's the promise of81600:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,730it's true. came true for me cametrue for me.81700:51:10,530 --> 00:51:15,540Yeah, that's, that's the that'sthe thing about? Yeah, it's81800:51:15,540 --> 00:51:18,090funny that you went into thatthrough the noster. Portal,81900:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,910because that's, you know, ourthought and thought portal,82000:51:20,910 --> 00:51:26,010because that's the idea witheven more so with the DHT space82100:51:26,010 --> 00:51:28,380with IPFS. And those kinds ofthings that once it's there,82200:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,270it's there. Like it's not, it'salmost like becomes just like82300:51:33,270 --> 00:51:34,320background radiation.82400:51:35,670 --> 00:51:40,080Low Level radiation. Yeah. Butthe Geiger counters go. It's,82500:51:40,140 --> 00:51:44,730it's, it is it's truly outthere. You can live forever.82600:51:44,730 --> 00:51:49,350Basically. i It's somethingreally to be thought about, you82700:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,230know, you have a uniqueidentifier to get something. And82800:51:52,350 --> 00:51:56,700Bt sync isn't even that great asin my opinion as a decentralized82900:51:56,700 --> 00:51:57,210system.83000:51:58,590 --> 00:52:01,770But resilient resilio I think iswhat they change. They're that83100:52:01,770 --> 00:52:05,820companies that switched. I thinkthat's their name now. Because83200:52:05,820 --> 00:52:08,130they went into like a they triedto compete with like Dropbox.83300:52:08,220 --> 00:52:08,580Oh,83400:52:08,610 --> 00:52:11,430yeah, exactly. They got moneyinto the Oh, we got to make some83500:52:11,430 --> 00:52:13,440money. And Dropbox is doinggood. Let's do that.83600:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,740Yeah, well, I mean, I think Ithink when it comes to growth,83700:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,420so this, this new class of user,they were talking about that,83800:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,980that loves come in, and maybemaybe new is not the right term,83900:52:26,340 --> 00:52:29,580this different class of userthat's been underrepresented in84000:52:29,580 --> 00:52:36,690traditional podcast hubs. They,it's the idea of growing,84100:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,870growing podcasting with thatwith that user base, as refugees84200:52:42,870 --> 00:52:47,010are, that's probably not a not aright term either. But when84300:52:47,010 --> 00:52:50,400we've sort of seen that like,like, we saw that with Twitter,84400:52:50,670 --> 00:52:53,790I mean, all these tweets, allthe sudden Twitter, people84500:52:53,790 --> 00:52:56,610people poured out of Twitterinto Mastodon,84600:52:56,910 --> 00:53:00,180which I've always said, it canhappen, it happens all the time.84700:53:00,240 --> 00:53:00,660Yeah,84800:53:00,750 --> 00:53:04,410they just they just, there'sthis been this huge migration,84900:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,310you know, of people away fromTwitter into Mastodon away from85000:53:08,310 --> 00:53:13,110a closed ecosystem into an openfederated system. The same thing85100:53:13,110 --> 00:53:17,700can also happen from closedecosystems like YouTube and85200:53:17,700 --> 00:53:22,530Twitch over to podcasting. If webuild the vision correctly, that85300:53:22,530 --> 00:53:24,780was the vision that we laid out,you know, like a Podcast85400:53:24,780 --> 00:53:26,430Movement in our talks that forpeople,85500:53:27,450 --> 00:53:30,480not enough people came to thetalk. Yeah, cuz they're all at85600:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,790lunch. It was all our fans85700:53:34,500 --> 00:53:37,230singing to the choir, but likethat was the vision was that85800:53:37,230 --> 00:53:42,750okay? Imagine? Imagine a realnight. Yes. Imagine a world85900:53:42,750 --> 00:53:44,700where there's globalnotifications that go out in86000:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,450real time about podcasts that golive. And then you know, and86100:53:48,450 --> 00:53:51,120then you have live streams, andthen you have chat, and then you86200:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,990have comments. And then you havepayments, like a mat. That is86300:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,110that is the Twitch YouTubeexperience. And it can exist in86400:53:58,110 --> 00:54:03,390a podcast app. Like, and it'snot silly or pie in the sky to86500:54:03,390 --> 00:54:06,540think of it because we just sawit happen with Twitter. Yeah,86600:54:06,570 --> 00:54:08,490exactly. Just so everybody bail,86700:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,340but we saw it happen withMySpace we saw we've seen it86800:54:11,340 --> 00:54:14,640happen with so many things, geocities. I mean, look, but I86900:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,810think AOL first time87000:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,600but Adam, I think this is thefirst time it's happened where87100:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,470they've bailed not to anotherclosed system but to openness.87200:54:22,770 --> 00:54:25,680Usually they bail out ofopenness closes87300:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,800the funny thing is they don'treally realize what they've87400:54:28,800 --> 00:54:35,190built into I mean, when you seestories like CEO of Mastodon87500:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,460declined investment linesinvestment, CEO87600:54:41,910 --> 00:54:49,350reporting just appalling, hasnatand just really bad. But yeah, I87700:54:49,350 --> 00:54:55,140mean, to me, you've got a lot ofa lot of very light podcast87800:54:55,140 --> 00:54:58,890users who are using YouTube tolisten to podcasts who are using87900:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,250Spotify to listen to podcasts,that's where the light podcast88000:55:02,250 --> 00:55:07,500users are the heavy ones areusing more bespoke ads, more88100:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,620bespoke apps, they're usingApple podcasts, if if they have88200:55:10,620 --> 00:55:15,960an Apple device, they're usingother, you know, like, overcast88300:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,670and Pocket Casts and all thatkind of stuff and, and where the88400:55:20,670 --> 00:55:25,710growth I think, is, is takingthose occasional podcast88500:55:25,710 --> 00:55:29,280listeners who are still there onYouTube and on Spotify, and88600:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,020pulling them over to an openapp, which has much better stuff88700:55:34,020 --> 00:55:36,990in there. And I'll tell you why.If we can get cross out comments88800:55:36,990 --> 00:55:42,420are working well, before Spotifyputs it in their in their own88900:55:42,420 --> 00:55:45,810app, then you know, you can youcan well see that that is going89000:55:45,810 --> 00:55:49,470to be one reason why people willwant to make that particular89100:55:49,470 --> 00:55:49,800switch.89200:55:49,829 --> 00:55:53,339And when I pitched a Joe Roganto come to podcasting 2.0 At the89300:55:53,339 --> 00:55:58,019end of this end of his contract,I'd love to be able to Pat89400:55:58,019 --> 00:56:00,059pitch, the fact that yourcomments will be back man, and89500:56:00,059 --> 00:56:01,079you'll have control of them,89600:56:02,010 --> 00:56:04,830though Yeah, for sure. Yeah,absolutely. When he joins a cast89700:56:04,830 --> 00:56:09,480or whatever it is, he's going tocost one.89800:56:09,630 --> 00:56:13,290I'm sorry to report I'mscheduled to appear in January89900:56:13,290 --> 00:56:17,100and Jameson, I'm going back intothe into the horrible horrible90000:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,000confines of Rogan. But I shall Ishall promote our shit, brother.90100:56:21,030 --> 00:56:22,260I'll tell you that. Excellent.90200:56:25,230 --> 00:56:30,270That's, that's funny that Iwonder. It was so you know,90300:56:30,270 --> 00:56:32,430somebody like, it's,90400:56:32,790 --> 00:56:34,860you don't need yourself. Youdon't need somebody. I'm just90500:56:34,860 --> 00:56:39,000gonna say right now. If that'swhat you're gonna say, a lot of90600:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,290people say, We just gotta Rogan.It'll be all over now. No, no,90700:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,470that's what you needed was anElon Musk, the fuckup. Twitter.90800:56:46,590 --> 00:56:49,770There was no big name that wentto Macedon. Pay attention.90900:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,190Right?91000:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,650Right. What Yeah, what doesn'tsay is like, I wonder if a91100:56:52,650 --> 00:56:58,530person like, I wonder if aperson like Rogan. Like the91200:56:58,530 --> 00:57:03,750problem is you we can't. Okay, Iguess I'm what I'm trying to do91300:57:03,750 --> 00:57:07,200is still flesh out the visionthere. Because the vision is to91400:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,780get to these these other users.Let me let me attack this in a91500:57:12,780 --> 00:57:16,080different way. I'm not came outof the wrong direction. You're91600:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,550the pot, the when you think ofpodcast listeners, you think of91700:57:20,550 --> 00:57:25,020a certain type of person. Youknow, you can kind of see them91800:57:25,020 --> 00:57:31,200in your head. And it's, it'ssomebody that's not just the91900:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,620average person walking down thestreet. Like, there's still this92000:57:34,770 --> 00:57:38,460sort of box that you put podcastlisteners into where they're, I92100:57:38,460 --> 00:57:41,610don't want to say geeky, butthey're sort of geeked out about92200:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,640what a podcast is. It's likepeople have to be into92300:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,070podcasting, to listen topodcasts. And that's not it's92400:57:50,070 --> 00:57:53,640sort of like people who are intoaudio books or audio book people92500:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,840in like you in order. There's athere's a chance here to grow92600:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,950that to grow podcasting. I thinkin order to get the YouTube92700:58:01,950 --> 00:58:08,340people in order to get radiopeople over to podcast apps, you92800:58:08,340 --> 00:58:12,330have to make it less podcast D.I guess that's what I'm trying92900:58:12,330 --> 00:58:18,450to say is the podcast app itselfhas to be less, less rageous.93000:58:18,450 --> 00:58:21,930Yeah, what a podcast listener issupposed to be93100:58:21,959 --> 00:58:25,289or what a podcast listeningexperience app is supposed to93200:58:25,289 --> 00:58:29,279be. Have. I not said this fromday one. Right? Like, that's why93300:58:29,279 --> 00:58:33,719I would appreciate roofie shit.Like, what is it? What is open93400:58:33,719 --> 00:58:35,549windows everywhere, but it'sdifferent.93500:58:35,939 --> 00:58:40,799There's a guy at work in ouroffice that listens to he's just93600:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,239subscribed to Sirius XM. And helistens to it in his car, and93700:58:45,239 --> 00:58:50,459then he listens to it on theirstreaming thing at his desk93800:58:50,459 --> 00:58:54,119while he's working. And likethat guy could listen to pie. He93900:58:54,119 --> 00:58:59,099could listen in a podcast app ifthe content was there. And if94000:58:59,099 --> 00:59:03,929the interface was such that itlooked like a normal player94100:59:03,929 --> 00:59:07,829experience like if I guess whatI'm saying is this the content94200:59:08,069 --> 00:59:11,129was presented through the applike oh, here's some light94300:59:11,129 --> 00:59:14,699here's live content here's like,country music. Here's under94400:59:14,909 --> 00:59:18,689retro here's you know talkradio. Here's this here's here's94500:59:18,690 --> 00:59:21,210some fun oh yeah, here's here'ssomething different94600:59:21,210 --> 00:59:26,220a news Dave you've just inventedthe I heart app and many94700:59:26,220 --> 00:59:29,550congratulations for that butthat's but that's exactly what94800:59:29,580 --> 00:59:33,750the big radio groups are doing.They are merging live radio so I94900:59:33,750 --> 00:59:37,530heart is like this Odyssey islike this radio.com up sale by95000:59:37,530 --> 00:59:38,820the way in case anybody wantsthose95100:59:38,820 --> 00:59:44,640guys need money so bad they'reso bad for them. That's hard. I95200:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,220know exactly. Don't worryinvestors will be able to Don't95300:59:47,220 --> 00:59:49,470worry guys, we'll be able tocover payroll this month. We're95400:59:49,470 --> 00:59:51,870selling radio.com Yeah, but95500:59:51,870 --> 00:59:54,900the problem is you can't Yes,that's I hurt but you can't but95600:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,750they they don't make any moneyoff. I mean, like they're not95700:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,970that's this does not95801:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,940Read that I mean, they do makesome money, but they don't make95901:00:02,970 --> 01:00:07,770a very much I think in total allof our hearts podcasting stuff96001:00:07,770 --> 01:00:12,060was about 6% of their of theirrevenue last quarter96101:00:13,140 --> 01:00:14,730of their expense loss.96201:00:15,389 --> 01:00:19,859Quite possibly, quite possibly.But I think but you know, there96301:00:19,859 --> 01:00:24,869is there is certainly, you know,the big radio groups and the BBC96401:00:24,869 --> 01:00:30,149sounds is the same. NPR one toan extent is the same. At the96501:00:30,149 --> 01:00:33,509ABC listen app here inAustralia. All of these apps96601:00:33,509 --> 01:00:39,269emerging, emerging the live andthe on demand and the on demand96701:00:39,269 --> 01:00:42,929music and the on demand audio,I'm not necessarily sure that96801:00:42,929 --> 01:00:46,409that is the problem. I think theproblem is more, you know, I96901:00:46,409 --> 01:00:49,589have just refilled my myfountain app, just just in case,97001:00:49,589 --> 01:00:58,619Adam mentions the 100,000. And,and I was and I was in there97101:00:58,649 --> 01:01:01,709going, Oh, God, how do I dothis? Again? What were What am97201:01:01,709 --> 01:01:06,779I, you know, I need to copythis, this invoice over on to97301:01:07,169 --> 01:01:11,729Google notes so that I can thenopen it on my, on my laptop. So97401:01:12,270 --> 01:01:14,640you've got a crazy way of doingit. I don't know what97501:01:17,100 --> 01:01:19,350he's actually saying, how onearth do I get all of this97601:01:19,350 --> 01:01:24,000stuff? But anyway, and I think alot of this comes down to user97701:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,730interface. I mean, it's whatAdam was saying earlier about97801:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,060wanting to make the comments,you know, visible as soon as97901:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,000you're having a listen, a lot ofthis comes down to user98001:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,630interface. And I'm afraid, youknow, as as I know, because I'm98101:01:36,690 --> 01:01:40,740I'm good, I think at the codingup a website, but I'm not very98201:01:40,740 --> 01:01:45,330good at the IA I'm not very goodat the you know, the user98301:01:45,330 --> 01:01:48,510interface of actually, you know,does this look pretty enough?98401:01:48,510 --> 01:01:52,230Does it work? Yes. Does doesthis look pretty off now? And I98501:01:52,230 --> 01:01:56,130think that's probably wherewe've got to, we've got98601:01:59,580 --> 01:02:01,470David interface King, baby,98701:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,810yeah, you are master.98801:02:04,950 --> 01:02:08,250But I do I mean, but I do haveto say, you know, the super98901:02:08,250 --> 01:02:11,850Sukra op three pages that we'veseen, but we can't, that we99001:02:11,850 --> 01:02:14,640can't talk about. One of thethings just to break through99101:02:14,790 --> 01:02:19,500those rules and say is that itlooks beautiful. And John has99201:02:19,500 --> 01:02:24,270spent a long, long time makingsure that every single pixel is99301:02:24,270 --> 01:02:27,570right on that page and thegraphs working exactly the way99401:02:27,570 --> 01:02:29,490that you expect and everythingelse. But99501:02:29,490 --> 01:02:31,560it's easy when you're abillionaire, and you can do that99601:02:31,560 --> 01:02:38,52024 hours a day. I mean, that'sYeah, but I think you make a99701:02:38,520 --> 01:02:43,260really good point. We're at theUI UX level now with our issues.99801:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,940And considering where we'recoming from and of course I hear99901:02:47,940 --> 01:02:53,970you with the with the filling upthe wallets, etc. My wife Tina100001:02:53,970 --> 01:02:58,710and I we do a podcast only eversubmitted to the index. We don't100101:02:58,710 --> 01:03:03,750accept Paypal, we and we beggedpeople we try and help them we100201:03:03,750 --> 01:03:09,300answer emails Instagramspersonally, just to get because100301:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,810people really want to, theyreally want to give them they100401:03:12,810 --> 01:03:15,330really want to support the show,they really want to do what they100501:03:15,330 --> 01:03:20,520want to get into the SAS. Andit's a lot of them are older 250100601:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,570Plus, and they're fallen off theoff the ledge and everything. So100701:03:24,570 --> 01:03:28,980it is purely UI UX stuff. Andwe're gonna get there because100801:03:28,980 --> 01:03:33,600I've seen the improvements everysingle time. And I'll say that100901:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,170we have so many beautifulpieces. If you look at all the101001:03:37,170 --> 01:03:41,370different apps, like you know,my go to web app is still curio101101:03:41,370 --> 01:03:43,980casters fast, like boom, I canget shit done and does101201:03:43,980 --> 01:03:46,950everything I want to do. Doesn'tdoesn't download. So there's101301:03:46,950 --> 01:03:49,260other issues I have, but that'sjust of the nature of what it101401:03:49,260 --> 01:03:54,570is. I look at fountain, I'm notan advisor, but man, they are101501:03:54,630 --> 01:03:58,350killing it killing it on themarketing. They're just they're101601:03:58,350 --> 01:04:02,040giving you shit to share. It'slike I'm proud of the money I101701:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,100gave away. I want to share thisimage. I'm pissed off that the101801:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,950first image was an old account,I want to show more money that I101901:04:07,950 --> 01:04:13,800gave away. And and this isanother element that you know,102001:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,600not everyone gets it. Everybodyhas a great piece they're doing102101:04:19,290 --> 01:04:23,130and I encourage all developerslook at look at everyone else.102201:04:23,970 --> 01:04:26,100Look at what they're doing andthere's so much to be learned102301:04:26,100 --> 01:04:29,400from each other. And thenultimately coming back to you102401:04:29,400 --> 01:04:35,790Dave Hell yeah, some some newexperience. I mean, I you know,102501:04:35,820 --> 01:04:38,940once we start to tie we canreally tie remote item and102601:04:38,940 --> 01:04:42,900everything together. And I canplay a song that someone has not102701:04:43,170 --> 01:04:49,140not licensed to ASCAP BMI, butthey're 2.0 and and then you102801:04:49,140 --> 01:04:51,990know, someone can listen to thatthe SATs flow to them102901:04:51,990 --> 01:04:54,660automatically when they'relistening to my show. They can103001:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,920click and then there's the guysor gals whole album. I mean,103101:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,860this is these are dreams that Ihave?103201:05:03,959 --> 01:05:05,939Yeah, I think there's I thinkit's just one of those.103301:05:06,119 --> 01:05:09,989We have the blocks. We have allthe pieces. Yeah. And103401:05:10,020 --> 01:05:13,140yeah, I think we've got thepieces. We've got the stuff to103501:05:13,140 --> 01:05:15,630put these things together and byand and, you know, I mean,103601:05:15,630 --> 01:05:18,660Farrington has just releasedsome incredible data about the103701:05:18,660 --> 01:05:22,800growth of the amount of valuefor value podcasts, for example,103801:05:22,800 --> 01:05:28,830which I don't know anythingabout in 10,600 podcasts using103901:05:28,830 --> 01:05:32,160value for value out there. Weknew that that's that's our104001:05:32,160 --> 01:05:40,320stats grown. That's grown asgrown from zero to 1000. At the104101:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,570beginning of this year, so morethan 6.7 million transactions on104201:05:45,570 --> 01:05:50,700fountain this year. 2.1 bitcoinssent to podcasters. On found104301:05:50,730 --> 01:05:53,850Wow. Wow.104401:05:54,420 --> 01:05:56,79030 is $35,000. James.104501:05:57,360 --> 01:06:05,640Yeah. 3 million. It's 3 millionnext year. 3 million. Yeah,104601:06:05,640 --> 01:06:06,090that's right.104701:06:07,050 --> 01:06:11,010Yes. 77,000 boosts sent onfountain I mean, you've got104801:06:11,340 --> 01:06:14,670these all of these numbers,which you guys are so104901:06:14,670 --> 01:06:18,690responsible for. And you know,you should be you should really105001:06:18,690 --> 01:06:23,640look back at 2022 as the yearwere from really turned a105101:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,060corner.105201:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,930excellent segue, James. Thankyou. I appreciate that. Tony.105301:06:31,050 --> 01:06:33,780Tell us more about the pastyear. James. I know you've105401:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,940thought about you're not evendoing your own show. You're on105501:06:35,940 --> 01:06:38,670vacation. You took a break.You're on you're on what do they105601:06:38,670 --> 01:06:39,870call it a hiatus?105701:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,950Well, podcast, podcast weekly.Yes. This has taken a two week105801:06:43,950 --> 01:06:46,890holiday because you know, we'vegot lives doing?105901:06:47,700 --> 01:06:51,390How far did you have to dig intoGoogle News this week to find106001:06:51,420 --> 01:06:53,340any new story about podcasts?106101:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,990I tell you one of the biggestmistakes that I made when I made106201:06:58,020 --> 01:07:02,370the pod news website six or soyears ago, when I built that106301:07:02,370 --> 01:07:05,370that thing, I built theclassified ads system, and the106401:07:05,370 --> 01:07:09,690classified ad system has, itwill sell you ads on Monday,106501:07:09,690 --> 01:07:13,020Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,and Friday. It has no concept of106601:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,110you know, Christmas DayIndependence Day, it's got no106701:07:16,110 --> 01:07:20,670concept of any locale, anypublic holidays whatsoever. And106801:07:20,670 --> 01:07:23,520so therefore, I have to publishevery single day. It makes it106901:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,580easier to sell advertising thatway. And that kind of makes107001:07:26,580 --> 01:07:30,540sense. But and so therefore forthe last week, man, it's been,107101:07:30,900 --> 01:07:34,050you know, desperately goingthrough games. Anything107201:07:34,050 --> 01:07:35,370mentioned podcasting.107301:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,200Where am I gonna get I did havea comment on one of your artwork107401:07:40,230 --> 01:07:44,130on one of your stories fromtoday. Oh, here we go. No, no, I107501:07:44,130 --> 01:07:45,930just want to make sure youunderstood because I thought it107601:07:45,930 --> 01:07:49,770was a bigger story than maybeyou realized. Live one.107701:07:49,770 --> 01:07:54,600Podcasting is yes. Separatingfrom Radio One. So I looked at107801:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,300the story and of course thecustomer on Yeah, yes, a podcast107901:07:57,300 --> 01:08:02,460one and I I subscribe to thenewsletter and I click through108001:08:02,670 --> 01:08:06,720they filed an S one. That's notjust spinning out. That's that's108101:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,860filing to go public. Yeah, very.And you said you know,108201:08:10,860 --> 01:08:13,560potentially, but I mean, whenyou file an S one, you've108301:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,530already hired lawyers. They'vebeen up your ass for six months.108401:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,830This is much more than just hey,we're spinning out it's a big108501:08:19,830 --> 01:08:23,040deal. Are they insane? Do youthink that they can actually108601:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,460take this108701:08:23,850 --> 01:08:26,070spinning out? Are they spinningoff is what I'm108801:08:26,070 --> 01:08:27,900well out of control?108901:08:27,900 --> 01:08:31,680I think so when you when youhave look at this I think that109001:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,000podcast one is all of the all ofthe good stories are still109101:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,210around podcasting, even eventalking about you know, a109201:08:39,210 --> 01:08:41,790potential recession and all ofthat all of the good stories are109301:08:41,790 --> 01:08:45,000still about podcasting. Theirfiling is a great read if you109401:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,270are interested in raising moneythrough podcasting they're109501:08:48,270 --> 01:08:51,870finding is a great read becauseit has loads of really good very109601:08:51,870 --> 01:08:58,470positive stuff. Yeah, yeah,absolutely. So my and when you109701:08:58,470 --> 01:09:02,130have look at live ones alive oneis a business which owns podcast109801:09:02,130 --> 01:09:05,970one right now. It's a it's anevents, business events have109901:09:05,970 --> 01:09:08,910been having a really rocky timeover the last three years,110001:09:09,090 --> 01:09:12,330partially because of COVID. Butalso because you know, the world110101:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,680The world is changing as well110201:09:13,710 --> 01:09:17,610master bullshit, all kinds ofYes. So you110301:09:17,610 --> 01:09:20,550know, from live one's point ofview live one is not a great110401:09:20,550 --> 01:09:22,770business. And live one hasn'tbeen a great business for the110501:09:22,770 --> 01:09:26,100last for the last two or threeyears or so. Podcast one,110601:09:26,100 --> 01:09:29,160though. Fantastic. And so mysuspicion is that they're doing110701:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,640what I heart has done, andthey're splitting this company110801:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,940into two, they're splitting thecompany into the exciting bit110901:09:35,940 --> 01:09:38,760that we can talk about a lotthat we can, that we can earn111001:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,560lots of money out of and the andthe bit that we aren't earning111101:09:43,590 --> 01:09:46,830very much money out of and atsome point we might sell off. So111201:09:46,830 --> 01:09:48,180let's talk about that.111301:09:49,529 --> 01:09:53,159So what do they I have not readthe last one except for the111401:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,389marketing but what do theybelieve that's the only thing111501:09:57,389 --> 01:09:59,999that's important? What do theybelieve and all the rest is if111601:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,239We fuck up. It's not our fault.You can't sue us. What did they111701:10:03,239 --> 01:10:07,499believe the TAM is? What is thetotal addressable market? They111801:10:07,499 --> 01:10:10,559believe because if they're goingpublic, and they're talking111901:10:10,559 --> 01:10:13,769about 6 million shares, Ihaven't looked at the112001:10:13,769 --> 01:10:17,999capitalization. But the companyitself will be worth more than112101:10:17,999 --> 01:10:21,809all the advertising, no doubt,it'll be valued at more than a112201:10:21,809 --> 01:10:24,989billion dollars. Otherwise,you're not going public at all112301:10:24,989 --> 01:10:28,859these days. How does that squarewith the so called $1 billion112401:10:29,159 --> 01:10:32,249industry that podcasting iswhich as you know, I'm very112501:10:32,249 --> 01:10:33,179skeptical of112601:10:34,470 --> 01:10:38,400yeah, very skeptical of and thecurrent figure, by the way, for112701:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,4902021, not even 2022, whichhasn't come out yet. Of course,112801:10:41,490 --> 01:10:44,100it won't be out for another sixmonths or so. But the current112901:10:44,100 --> 01:10:48,300figure is 1.4 billion. Butaccording to the these guys,113001:10:48,390 --> 01:10:49,860according to the IPS guys113101:10:49,860 --> 01:10:58,350did $32 million in 2021 2022,113201:10:58,710 --> 01:11:05,460yes. So podcasts one and threepoint $32 million in the year113301:11:05,460 --> 01:11:09,990ending March 2022, which was a36% improvement. They say I113401:11:09,990 --> 01:11:13,950know. But where's the thethought experiment I like to do.113501:11:14,610 --> 01:11:20,880If you made one $1 a second. Itwill take you 12 days to get to113601:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,250a million. If you earn $1 asecond, it will take you 31113701:11:26,250 --> 01:11:33,270years to get to a billion. So abillion is so far off from this113801:11:33,270 --> 01:11:36,24032 point 3 million. These areone of the biggest players there113901:11:36,240 --> 01:11:43,230is. Where is all the money. Isee maybe a couple 100 million.114001:11:43,260 --> 01:11:47,910I just don't see a billion Jamesinvested? Well, they're114101:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,470combining things.114201:11:49,919 --> 01:11:54,029Yeah. So the way that that that1 billion number and by the way,114301:11:54,029 --> 01:11:56,609that 1 billion number is a USonly number. So114401:11:59,310 --> 01:12:02,610that's just America. Oh, yeah.Number one, the American number114501:12:02,610 --> 01:12:03,000one.114601:12:04,620 --> 01:12:09,030So the way I understand that theIBW puts that number together is114701:12:09,030 --> 01:12:13,290that so it? Firstly, it's anestimate. Let's not forget the114801:12:13,290 --> 01:12:16,620fact that it's an estimate, theway that they the way that they114901:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,770do it is that they talk to allof their members. And they say115001:12:19,770 --> 01:12:24,930how much money have you made?How much do you know about your115101:12:24,930 --> 01:12:28,170competitors in this space? Howmuch money are they making? So115201:12:28,170 --> 01:12:31,320that they can then come up witha total market estimate? Which115301:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,770is what they do it? And since2015? What, thank you.115401:12:35,759 --> 01:12:39,659Yes, that mean that guess whodid the two biggest players that115501:12:39,659 --> 01:12:42,539have public kind? I mean,Spotify doesn't really break it115601:12:42,539 --> 01:12:45,869out. But we got a pretty goodidea. They're losing money. So115701:12:46,139 --> 01:12:48,749I'm just saying where is it? Andif it's115801:12:49,139 --> 01:12:55,919because one is is probably interms of where it lies. I mean,115901:12:55,919 --> 01:13:00,809it's probably 14, it's right,number 14 on pod Tracks list of116001:13:00,809 --> 01:13:03,539top podcast publishers, whichmeans that it's probably about116101:13:03,539 --> 01:13:06,989number 20. So, you know, imaginethat116201:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,850we talked to Jim Dallas overthere he for a while he was he116301:13:11,850 --> 01:13:15,720was there as their CTO and hewas, you know, loaded. We talked116401:13:15,720 --> 01:13:22,260to Jim Dallas. He maybe it wasjust me, but we like he was116501:13:22,260 --> 01:13:24,900asking about podcasting. 2.0tags, and he was going to, you116601:13:24,900 --> 01:13:26,940know, they were going to putsome podcasting 2.0 stuff in116701:13:26,940 --> 01:13:29,820their feeds and that kind ofthing. It was we had a couple of116801:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,120good meetings with him. And thenhe then he bailed and went to116901:13:33,150 --> 01:13:41,730Magellan. Oh, well, that thatseemed like a move. That didn't117001:13:41,910 --> 01:13:46,110bode well for podcast one. Imean, I'm just on the I'm just117101:13:46,110 --> 01:13:48,900trying to read tea leaves fromthe outside here. But I thought117201:13:48,930 --> 01:13:52,680Oh, okay. Well, if somebody iftheir CTO wants to get out and117301:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,880go to Magellan Magellan, whichis I mean, I have to assume117401:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,080that's, you know, not is not avote of Comcast one. Yeah, I117501:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,350mean, like that. That justdidn't seem like a good thing.117601:14:04,350 --> 01:14:04,620Well,117701:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,900how about this James? I'mcurious. Do you have any117801:14:06,900 --> 01:14:14,130visibility you're being the thesurprise inside the Trojan horse117901:14:14,130 --> 01:14:17,670of the podcast industrialcomplex that you are? Do you118001:14:17,670 --> 01:14:22,890have any visibility onsubscription revenue for? I118101:14:22,890 --> 01:14:26,430guess, Apple is the main one. Isthe Spotify still doing any? I118201:14:26,430 --> 01:14:28,410mean, is there any real money inthere?118301:14:28,740 --> 01:14:31,140Spotify? Garbage?118401:14:31,650 --> 01:14:35,010Yeah, I mean, I have askedSpotify it's been a year now118501:14:35,010 --> 01:14:38,040since you launched your yoursubscription platform, you're118601:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,500gonna start charging people 5%next year. And so given given118701:14:43,500 --> 01:14:47,040that, you know, I'd love to tellsome good news stories about how118801:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,920your podcasts subscription hasbeen doing, please, you know,118901:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,640let me know. We'd love to writesomething about this. And as119001:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,310usual, wherever you sendanything to the Spotify119101:14:58,350 --> 01:15:00,690people here's Okay, here's agood one. Questions. Here's a119201:15:00,690 --> 01:15:05,790question James. Two bitcoinsthrough fountain, how how many119301:15:05,880 --> 01:15:13,440out pot how many compare valuefor value be Bitcoin Vista grams119401:15:13,920 --> 01:15:20,370to Spotify subscription revenuefor podcasting, how much more I119501:15:20,370 --> 01:15:24,630think value for value may havemade more money. The Spotify119601:15:25,770 --> 01:15:28,860may well have made more moneyfrom Spotify. But having said119701:15:28,860 --> 01:15:32,340that the only money that we'rethe only data that we've really119801:15:32,340 --> 01:15:36,690got is weirdly from Sweden. AndI appreciate that Sweden is119901:15:36,690 --> 01:15:41,760different to the US, but it'sokay with me. Stay with me. No,120001:15:41,760 --> 01:15:48,720these are. So this is numbersfrom the Institute for bad120101:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,680advertising. I think. I don'tspeak Swedish. And I forgotten120201:15:52,680 --> 01:15:57,150what the what the figure is anad research, I think. But120301:15:57,150 --> 01:16:02,430anyway, they they did someresearch earlier this month. And120401:16:02,430 --> 01:16:09,210they said that Swedish peoplethis year, have spent $14.5120501:16:09,210 --> 01:16:14,700million dollars on podcasts,subscriptions 14.5. And the120601:16:14,700 --> 01:16:20,370podcast ad market in Sweden isworth 34.5 Millions. So if you120701:16:20,370 --> 01:16:25,860were to if you were to turn thatinto us numbers and BELCAMP.120801:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,840I don't like you doing this butokay. pressure on me, I don't120901:16:30,840 --> 01:16:31,140like it.121001:16:31,140 --> 01:16:34,140I appreciate that. But but butI'm just I'm just trying to sort121101:16:34,140 --> 01:16:38,370of contextualize it, that thatsuggests that ad revenue is121201:16:38,370 --> 01:16:43,140about $750 million. And thatsubscription revenue is about121301:16:43,140 --> 01:16:47,790$300 million. Now, even if thosefigures are wildly inaccurate,121401:16:47,790 --> 01:16:52,230you can see that there is quitea lot of subscription revenue121501:16:52,230 --> 01:16:55,830there, which I think is which Ithink is interesting. Now that121601:16:55,830 --> 01:16:59,250may be being driven a little bitby polymer, which is very121701:16:59,250 --> 01:17:03,150successful in some of the Nordiccountries, it may be driven by121801:17:03,420 --> 01:17:08,340other paid for podcast platformsthat don't exist in North121901:17:08,340 --> 01:17:13,800America. But however it works tosee you know, ad revenues, about122001:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,300750 million and subscriptionrevenue about 300 million.122101:17:18,540 --> 01:17:22,530There's clearly some moneyhappening there. And, you know,122201:17:22,530 --> 01:17:28,350I have always said that the waythat podcasting is going to earn122301:17:28,350 --> 01:17:31,380money is going to be a mix ofall kinds of things. And it's122401:17:31,380 --> 01:17:33,450not just going to be ad revenue,it's going to be value for122501:17:33,450 --> 01:17:35,340value, it's going to be asubscription service, if you122601:17:35,340 --> 01:17:37,890want to run those. It's going tobe a mix of all of those. It's122701:17:37,890 --> 01:17:41,040going to be donations, it'sgoing to be, you know, doing122801:17:41,070 --> 01:17:44,010doing shows in theaters, it'squite a lot of people are doing122901:17:44,010 --> 01:17:47,370all of that kind of is that agood is123001:17:47,370 --> 01:17:49,860doing a show in a theater. Isthat still a podcast?123101:17:51,990 --> 01:17:53,310It depends if you record it ornot.123201:17:55,710 --> 01:17:58,440Well answered, and if you attachit as an enclosure, correct,123301:17:58,950 --> 01:18:00,930yeah. Well,123401:18:02,820 --> 01:18:06,030Richard herring does a greatpodcast that he records in front123501:18:06,030 --> 01:18:09,390of a studio audience every week,which is a fantastic thing. So123601:18:09,390 --> 01:18:09,690yeah.123701:18:10,530 --> 01:18:12,990Do you think that they're justcapturing that this Swedish123801:18:12,990 --> 01:18:17,460thing is odd? Because do youthink they're just capturing a123901:18:17,460 --> 01:18:20,880majority of the Swedish languagepodcasting market or audio124001:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,020market? I mean, this this seemsoddly high.124101:18:26,700 --> 01:18:31,050Does but I think on the otherend, you know, I mean, I mean,124201:18:31,050 --> 01:18:34,020just just having a look throughPanyu stories I've covered124301:18:34,020 --> 01:18:39,150around Sweden, there's a companycalled storytel, which has just124401:18:39,150 --> 01:18:41,790raised a lot of money, and theyare an audio book and ebook124501:18:41,790 --> 01:18:45,270subscription service, and maybethey're in that list as well. 30124601:18:45,270 --> 01:18:50,610a studio, which is a companyclaims to 20,000 subscribers,124701:18:50,940 --> 01:18:58,200and they charge $5 A month 50Swedish crowns. They just don't124801:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,410some money. So there's, there'sclearly something going on in124901:19:01,410 --> 01:19:04,890Sweden, and I don't think youcan necessarily instantly125001:19:04,890 --> 01:19:08,430compare what's going on withwhat's going125101:19:08,430 --> 01:19:11,640on modern us. But Martinlindskog says, Pardon me is a125201:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,190Swedish podcast subscription appthat has several subscribers,125301:19:14,190 --> 01:19:16,740they started out with True Crimepocket, but the sweetest just125401:19:16,740 --> 01:19:19,620loves. They just love givenmoney to podcasts. I mean,125501:19:19,620 --> 01:19:22,320there's just like the nationalnational pride or something. I125601:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,070don't know what they125701:19:23,070 --> 01:19:25,230that's the thing. We should allmove to Sweden.125801:19:28,290 --> 01:19:35,880Really Stockholm anyway, a carblows up. It's very small125901:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,590country. They you know, theyhave so a community that grows126001:19:40,590 --> 01:19:40,740in126101:19:40,740 --> 01:19:42,750Lithuania. I'll tell you. That'sright.126201:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,960But, but for for I mean, Swedenhas always embraced podcasting126301:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,840from early on. I've always hadSwedish listeners Always,126401:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,100always. We have Martin lindskog.We have so many different and126501:19:56,100 --> 01:19:58,920they're and they're intopodcasting themselves. It's the126601:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,740community aspect. somehowbecause you know, exactly,126701:20:01,740 --> 01:20:04,170it's so dark and we shouldn'tforget as well, of course that126801:20:04,350 --> 01:20:07,410people in in those countriesspeak English just just as well126901:20:07,410 --> 01:20:08,460as they do Swedish. Yeah.127001:20:09,030 --> 01:20:10,680I speak Swedish. So there yougo.127101:20:11,490 --> 01:20:17,040Excellent lacquer from, fromthat, from that point of view,127201:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,590you know, the Nordic countriesare always interesting to peer127301:20:19,590 --> 01:20:23,190into just because they are alittle bit different. But I127401:20:23,190 --> 01:20:26,580think, you know, I've I'vemoderated a couple of sessions127501:20:26,580 --> 01:20:30,360on subscription services. I'vehad people like, you know,127601:20:32,070 --> 01:20:39,210Donald, that tenderfoot TV,Donald Albright speaking and the127701:20:39,210 --> 01:20:41,490guys from Sony speaking andeverything else, and they're,127801:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,710and they're all saying that theyare earning money from127901:20:43,710 --> 01:20:49,680subscriptions. They're possiblynot covering all of their costs128001:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,770yet, because it's still earlydays, but they are earning128101:20:52,770 --> 01:20:56,430money. And they can also see areal benefit, which is the128201:20:56,430 --> 01:21:00,840benefit from the Apple podcastsbenefit of, if you start selling128301:21:00,870 --> 01:21:04,200subscriptions within Applepodcasts, then all of a sudden128401:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,200Apple podcasts seem very keen topromote you. And they will128501:21:07,200 --> 01:21:12,120promote you all over the app.And from from, you know, talking128601:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,850to Donald Albright about this,he was pretty candid and saying,128701:21:14,850 --> 01:21:18,510Look, we see this as beingsomething that yes, we're128801:21:18,510 --> 01:21:22,950earning some revenue from, butit's also a marketing cost to us128901:21:23,220 --> 01:21:28,530that actually, we get incrediblemarketing from Apple podcasts,129001:21:28,650 --> 01:21:31,860because we are selling stuff.And of course, you know, Tim129101:21:31,860 --> 01:21:35,730Apple keeps 30% of everything.So therefore, Tim Apple will be129201:21:35,730 --> 01:21:39,300very, very happy about all ofthat. Hence why Apple really129301:21:39,300 --> 01:21:42,300ought to be launching a anAndroid app and I'm still129401:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,020surprised that they haven't.You'll notice in your in your129501:21:46,020 --> 01:21:52,110inbox. You should see one ofthose one of those views earlier129601:21:52,110 --> 01:21:53,940on with me sending my money for129701:21:53,940 --> 01:21:59,490Yes, yes, yes. 100,000 SATs fromJames Cridland. They will do it129801:21:59,490 --> 01:22:06,390Adam. They're not stupid. That'sright. You are a baller129901:22:07,530 --> 01:22:10,800baller a man who talks and sendsa boost at the same time. That's130001:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,100a130101:22:11,940 --> 01:22:13,500multi tasking very nice.130201:22:16,050 --> 01:22:19,830So yeah, so maybe that's thething. But I find I find all of130301:22:19,830 --> 01:22:22,890this fascinating, all of thedifferent ways that people are130401:22:22,890 --> 01:22:26,730making revenue throughadvertising. And, and also, by130501:22:26,730 --> 01:22:31,050the way, just seeing the amountof podcast hosting companies who130601:22:31,050 --> 01:22:35,250have tried to launch freepodcast hosting companies, just130701:22:35,250 --> 01:22:38,940purely powered by advertisingand podcast. One was one of130801:22:38,940 --> 01:22:41,040those who launched something Ithink it was called a launch130901:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,990pad, wasn't it? I don't. Theykilled and yeah, and they ended131001:22:45,990 --> 01:22:50,070up killing it because they getthe masterwork Lipson killed131101:22:50,070 --> 01:22:51,660there's you make131201:22:52,290 --> 01:22:55,320such a good point, thoughearlier. Like, this is so cute.131301:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,870Well, let me get it out first.matter what it is, James has131401:23:00,870 --> 01:23:05,610taken, like, Yeah, you made agood point that clipping that131501:23:06,510 --> 01:23:10,920James Cridland said somethingbrilliant. And and I agree,131601:23:10,950 --> 01:23:14,460hosting companies, this is agreat idea, the idea that you131701:23:14,460 --> 01:23:18,570have something that gives yournew customer, you know, trial131801:23:18,570 --> 01:23:22,290period, whatever, some joy, evenyou know what, even if you give131901:23:22,290 --> 01:23:26,100them a value for value set up.And whenever you have a new132001:23:26,100 --> 01:23:31,260podcast launch, you know what,just fire up? Have your team132101:23:31,290 --> 01:23:35,010fire up? An app was in a coupleof minutes of it, you know, send132201:23:35,010 --> 01:23:37,920a couple of streaming sites,boom, you've got a customer for132301:23:37,920 --> 01:23:38,490life.132401:23:39,330 --> 01:23:42,330Yeah, yeah, absolutely.Absolutely. I think I think132501:23:42,330 --> 01:23:46,020podcast hosts and I used to bean advisor for a podcast host132601:23:46,020 --> 01:23:47,670and therefore, you know,132701:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,390millions of loyalty have right132801:23:52,770 --> 01:23:56,880into I've looked into that and apodcast hosting companies, I132901:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,520always find fascinating becausethere are so many more things133001:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,880that they could be doing tobasically give their podcast as133101:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,820a pat on the back and say you'redoing a great job keep it up.133201:24:06,450 --> 01:24:12,030And the more that they do that,so when I did the I took Apple's133301:24:12,030 --> 01:24:17,190data for the top podcasts of2022 according to their slightly133401:24:17,190 --> 01:24:25,500opaque you know, algorithm. AndI went through and produced all133501:24:25,500 --> 01:24:28,290of those for every singlecountry, which is available on133601:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,520the pod news website. And inthere you can see where each one133701:24:32,520 --> 01:24:37,500of these shows are hosted byand, and I pointed out to a few133801:24:37,500 --> 01:24:40,110of my friends in the in thepodcast hosting industry. I133901:24:40,110 --> 01:24:43,710said, Oh, by the way, have alook at you know where we're134001:24:43,740 --> 01:24:47,190wherever it was Sweden, thereare eight podcast, eight134101:24:47,190 --> 01:24:50,910podcasts in the top 10 hostedwith your podcast company. You134201:24:50,910 --> 01:24:54,780might want to make a story aboutor you know, pat, pat him on the134301:24:54,780 --> 01:24:57,870back or whatever it is. I thinkthat there's an awful lot of134401:24:58,140 --> 01:25:01,290opportunity for podcasts comeNice to basically go you're134501:25:01,290 --> 01:25:05,850doing a fantastic job. How canwe be helping you more? tired?134601:25:05,850 --> 01:25:07,410Really tired? Tired of134701:25:08,790 --> 01:25:12,330all of that? Yeah. Yeah. But hesaid, he said on his show that134801:25:12,330 --> 01:25:16,140he did not want a list out thereof of his top shows because he134901:25:16,140 --> 01:25:19,530would, he was afraid that thatwould encourage other Yeah, they135001:25:19,530 --> 01:25:24,750get poached. And like, andthat's, that's bothered, that's135101:25:24,750 --> 01:25:28,950bothersome too, because I don'tknow how, like, it's sort of135201:25:28,950 --> 01:25:33,270like the the reason thatcolleges universities give135301:25:33,300 --> 01:25:37,110giveaway scholarships, it'slike, well, you know, you give a135401:25:37,110 --> 01:25:41,520scholarship is marketing foryour university. It's, it's,135501:25:41,550 --> 01:25:45,150it's a cost that you say, Okay,well, we're going to prove we're135601:25:45,150 --> 01:25:48,900going to show look at a look atall his talent with roofing and135701:25:48,900 --> 01:25:51,060we're giving away all thismoney, but we're only we're135801:25:51,060 --> 01:25:55,620bringing in top the top minds,and you begin to get a135901:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,100reputation as a, as that's theplace to be that you know,136001:25:59,100 --> 01:26:02,280because they they give out theygive away scholarships to the136101:26:02,340 --> 01:26:05,280best and the brightest. Like, Iwould think that the hosting136201:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,180companies would want to havethat. That cachet. You know,136301:26:09,180 --> 01:26:13,620it's a look at these. Yeah, lookat these, you know, we have so136401:26:13,620 --> 01:26:16,500much confidence we're willing toshow you, you know, these are136501:26:16,500 --> 01:26:20,520our our big names, you know, youcan you should come host with us136601:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,430because look at it, look at allthese other great podcasts that136701:26:23,430 --> 01:26:26,100are in the top, you know, toptiers that are hosting with us136801:26:26,100 --> 01:26:29,280as well. I don't I guess I justdon't understand the fear there.136901:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,080Yeah, and I guess also thatactually some podcasters don't137001:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,380want you to know what theirnumbers are. You know, there's a137101:26:37,380 --> 01:26:41,160reason why podcasts the pocket,the pod news weekly review isn't137201:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,490in op three. But the pod NewsDaily is, I don't care how many137301:26:44,490 --> 01:26:48,510people see my figures. For thepod News Daily. I want people to137401:26:48,510 --> 01:26:50,940see all of those figures, podnews weekly review is a137501:26:50,940 --> 01:26:53,460fascinating show. And it's ashow that I've really enjoyed137601:26:53,460 --> 01:26:57,690doing. But those but thedownload numbers are not as high137701:26:57,690 --> 01:27:01,980as you might expect them to be.The fact that the some really137801:27:01,980 --> 01:27:05,760fascinating people listen tothat show every single week is137901:27:05,790 --> 01:27:10,320very different from the factthat the actual raw numbers are138001:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,640not as high as you might youmight expect. necessarily want138101:27:14,640 --> 01:27:15,570people seeing those.138201:27:15,810 --> 01:27:20,700But I would say that that's youhit the nail on the head right138301:27:20,700 --> 01:27:25,050there, like the people listen tothis show. are highly138401:27:25,230 --> 01:27:29,490intelligent, obviously. selfstarters motivated. Okay, we138501:27:29,490 --> 01:27:33,360have eight and a half 1000. I'mblown away by that. I wish i i138601:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,920wish i could find 1000 smart,highly motivated people. So the138701:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,460people will listen to pod newsor pod news weekly review.138801:27:42,030 --> 01:27:44,280ontology, is that going to bevery valuable people for some138901:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,790advertisers? Oh, yeah. Sonumbers by themselves are just139001:27:47,790 --> 01:27:49,950horseshit. And by the way, Iwant to do a little exercise139101:27:49,950 --> 01:27:53,970here. Rob Greenlee recently leftLibsyn because we were talking139201:27:53,970 --> 01:27:56,640about hosting companies, I havea feeling that a hosting company139301:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,330will probably probably have tolose one in the downturn. And I139401:28:00,330 --> 01:28:02,610was just looking at RobGreenlee. I think he may be the139501:28:02,610 --> 01:28:05,400ultimate canary in the coal mineif you look at his career on139601:28:05,400 --> 01:28:05,820LinkedIn.139701:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,120So like this thought experiment,let's get to 2000139801:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,680He was the marketing director atshopper box networks. James, do139901:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,120you know I think they may begone.140001:28:18,540 --> 01:28:20,010I've never heard of triplebombs.140101:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,220Then he was director ofmarketing and business140201:28:23,220 --> 01:28:27,690development, personal designconcepts. I don't think they did140301:28:27,690 --> 01:28:31,680very well. Then online mediamarketing consultant at my talk140401:28:31,680 --> 01:28:39,390radio. Are they still around?Nope. Senior Marketing Manager140501:28:39,390 --> 01:28:44,310at Molo do oh my goodness,they're definitely gone. Then140601:28:44,310 --> 01:28:50,400Zune. Of course, that was avery, that device worked. Then140701:28:51,180 --> 01:28:57,240he was at podcast one. I wishwhich is now spinning off into140801:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,320oblivion. Head of Content atSpreaker or Spreaker, I guess is140901:29:01,320 --> 01:29:02,730still popular.141001:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,210Podcast one is spinning off tobe even more successful. I think141101:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,130Spreaker is pretty good podcast.One141201:29:11,130 --> 01:29:17,820has $35 million in revenue. Comeon. Come on. Come on. Stop.141301:29:18,240 --> 01:29:23,340Stop. Just I'm just trying to nono. Head of partnerships. Vox141401:29:23,370 --> 01:29:27,480Vox nest Vox VO X Vox nest. Idon't remember what that was.141501:29:27,510 --> 01:29:27,810Yeah.141601:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,790They are one of the podcasthosting companies that I141701:29:33,059 --> 01:29:38,129own. Okay, so they Okay, so thatdesperation, by the way. Then141801:29:38,129 --> 01:29:41,999he's VP of Costco. Lipson isnext. It's obvious. Lipson is141901:29:41,999 --> 01:29:45,329the next one to go because nowhe's at pod bean. I haven't142001:29:45,329 --> 01:29:48,509gotten a call from him as a podpod. Veen SVP of content142101:29:48,539 --> 01:29:49,319partnerships.142201:29:50,099 --> 01:29:52,139Yeah. Where's the wizard? 2.0stuff, Rob.142301:29:54,150 --> 01:29:56,490He's only been there for acouple of weeks. But I think I142401:29:56,490 --> 01:29:59,970think on the other side, Lipsonis a fascinating company who142501:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,120Have some very strongpersonalities there. Let's just142601:30:03,120 --> 01:30:08,160say that and I think they'vethey have, you know that they've142701:30:08,160 --> 01:30:12,480got their plans. And they'vegot, you know, some quite large,142801:30:13,260 --> 01:30:16,950you know, quite quite big peoplewho are working at that, at that142901:30:16,950 --> 01:30:20,850company. I have always beenbaffled by that company, I have143001:30:20,850 --> 01:30:21,630to say, and we143101:30:21,630 --> 01:30:23,250have a call with a new guy overthere.143201:30:24,510 --> 01:30:25,500Yeah, yeah.143301:30:26,130 --> 01:30:28,800He was real nice if I hadn'tbeen fired yet.143401:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,350I don't know. Now, we had agreat call.143501:30:34,380 --> 01:30:37,710It was good months ago, monthsago. Yeah, that's143601:30:37,710 --> 01:30:41,070it, they said that. They saidthat they're gonna, they're143701:30:41,070 --> 01:30:42,300gonna do some stuff in January.143801:30:42,540 --> 01:30:47,370I'm so tired. Honestly, I loveeverybody. I really do. Just,143901:30:47,430 --> 01:30:49,560this is kind of good to tellbehind the scenes, Dave and I,144001:30:49,590 --> 01:30:52,110we do everything we can forpodcasting to point out. And144101:30:52,110 --> 01:30:56,550again, we this is this is ourendless meetings. And this is,144201:30:56,550 --> 01:31:00,060this is our love for the mediumthat we don't get paid for this.144301:31:00,450 --> 01:31:02,790There's really, you know, thedeal, we're pretty transparent.144401:31:02,790 --> 01:31:06,570We're very transparent about it.So we had a call with tune in144501:31:06,990 --> 01:31:10,230tune, if I can call and do allthe stuff, you know, I was like,144601:31:10,230 --> 01:31:13,230Okay, well, we really can't doanything unless you have144701:31:13,380 --> 01:31:16,140insurance, we get insurance, weget, you know, whatever,144801:31:16,140 --> 01:31:18,750bullshit insurance, it is notthat expensive. But we didn't144901:31:18,750 --> 01:31:22,800have any business insurance incase whatever, you will do all145001:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,470we do all these things, we bendover backwards, and these people145101:31:25,470 --> 01:31:29,100come in and they fuckingdisappear. Yeah, you never hear145201:31:29,100 --> 01:31:33,030from I mean, we have had so manydifferent things. And we're145301:31:33,030 --> 01:31:36,690literally giving stuff away forfree. I've got my partner, Dave145401:31:36,690 --> 01:31:40,200Jones, giving away his time forfree helping all these people145501:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,620out. And these companies, theyjust can't do it. They can't get145601:31:43,620 --> 01:31:47,280their shit together. I mean, wehad a mobile. Are those guys145701:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,670still around? The? Yes, theyYes, they are so that I won't145801:31:50,670 --> 01:31:57,750slam them because I still havehope for them. What else did he145901:31:57,750 --> 01:31:59,100gonna say Be quiet.146001:31:59,130 --> 01:32:02,610But he takes it, it takes timeto get stuff done in larger146101:32:02,610 --> 01:32:08,970companies like yours, yours?Yours? Oh, yeah. I mean, when I146201:32:08,970 --> 01:32:12,900joined the BBC in 2007, theywere talking about some146301:32:12,900 --> 01:32:16,650personalized radio project thatthey were working on. And they146401:32:16,650 --> 01:32:19,200still haven't launched it, butthey still keep on announcing it146501:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,530every every year or so it's Oh,yes, you know, it's coming, it's146601:32:22,530 --> 01:32:24,720gonna be really, really good.And they still haven't launched146701:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,440it. And I think, you know, assoon as you work with large146801:32:28,470 --> 01:32:31,830companies, it's very, very slow.But I think also on the other146901:32:31,830 --> 01:32:35,520side, people talk to thatthey'll talk to you, they'll147001:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,780talk to me, because they've beentold to talk to us by someone147101:32:39,780 --> 01:32:44,760else. And they end up and theyend up talking to you or talking147201:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,190to me, and they go great work.Right, we've done that we can147301:32:47,190 --> 01:32:50,460take that off. And now what Iwon't be hassled by, by this147401:32:50,460 --> 01:32:54,270guy, you know, haven't you? Haveyou spoken to Adam yet? And I147501:32:54,270 --> 01:32:59,850think a lot of it is, is that aswell. But I think you know, it's147601:32:59,850 --> 01:33:03,930worthwhile doing because nineout of 10 of those meetings are147701:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,350going to be frankly, a waste oftime. But one out of 10 of those147801:33:07,350 --> 01:33:09,990meetings are going to be thosemeetings that move things147901:33:09,990 --> 01:33:13,170forward tremendously fast. Now,it was worthwhile doing that.148001:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,760Well, the thing is, I don't seeany benefit really. These148101:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,920people, they have nothing butdemands, everything's148201:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,010complicated. Everything has togo through legal. I mean,148301:33:23,010 --> 01:33:26,580really, there's really, itreally is a huge pain in the148401:33:26,580 --> 01:33:30,210ass, and nothing comes out ofit. It's more of a pain in the148501:33:30,210 --> 01:33:33,390ass for Dave because, you know,he winds up then, you know, they148601:33:33,450 --> 01:33:35,640they said okay, well, we'regonna have to have the IT guy148701:33:35,670 --> 01:33:41,970talked to Dave, and then it justdevolved into more bow crap. So148801:33:41,970 --> 01:33:43,710but it reminds me Go ahead.148901:33:44,250 --> 01:33:48,090This is the funny one. So we hada meeting with some guy, and149001:33:48,090 --> 01:33:51,570then he comes back and he'slike, Okay, we're gonna need you149101:33:51,570 --> 01:33:54,690to, this is the kind of stuffthat happens. He's like, we're149201:33:54,690 --> 01:34:00,030gonna need you to we're going toneed a special terms of service149301:34:00,660 --> 01:34:02,730that we're going to we're goingto modify, we're going to read149401:34:02,730 --> 01:34:05,730law, read and mark it up, orwhatever they call it. We're149501:34:05,730 --> 01:34:08,520going to mark up your terms,your terms of service, send it149601:34:08,520 --> 01:34:13,110back to you, and have you sign.And then like, we were, like, we149701:34:13,110 --> 01:34:16,230were gonna get a special termsof service for this one company,149801:34:16,230 --> 01:34:20,550this one big company to use ourAPI to get podcast data.149901:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,740Anything that goes wrong, we'refucked.150001:34:22,980 --> 01:34:25,920That's exactly it was like 15different ways that we're gonna150101:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,230get sued into oblivion. And Iwas like, No, I'm not doing150201:34:28,410 --> 01:34:31,800this. Then we went back andforth. And finally, finally,150301:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,640after like four meetings, it'slike four hours of time of time,150401:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,030away from my day job of tryingto help this guy. And I was150501:34:39,030 --> 01:34:42,240like, finally I said, I waslike, you know, you don't need150601:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,170all this because our fulldatabase is downloadable on our150701:34:46,170 --> 01:34:51,180homepage. Tableau has downloadedas it is for free. If you go150801:34:51,180 --> 01:34:56,520download it right now, I won'teven know. And he was like, he150901:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,970never thought about it. It'slike it never crossed his mind.151001:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,690This reminds me, I'm old, butthis for my, if anyone feels151101:35:03,690 --> 01:35:07,350like it, look up the Danny Kayemovie, a song is born. It's from151201:35:07,350 --> 01:35:12,9301948. And Danny Kaye is aprofessor at a musical research151301:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,770institution. It's a whole roomfull of bachelor professors.151401:35:17,130 --> 01:35:20,790And, and then just in theirwriting the Encyclopedia of151501:35:20,790 --> 01:35:25,770music. And so this gangster guyhas a girlfriend and she's the151601:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,370nightclub singer, whatever. SoSo she comes in to Danny case151701:35:29,370 --> 01:35:32,130life, and all of a sudden, he'skind of forced back into the151801:35:32,130 --> 01:35:35,880world. And he's a nightlife. Andthey've been writing this whole151901:35:35,910 --> 01:35:39,750this whole Encyclopedia ofmusic. And it turns out jazz has152001:35:39,750 --> 01:35:42,750been happening for five years,and they have to throw out the152101:35:42,750 --> 01:35:47,310whole thing. And that's whatthis reminds me of. These people152201:35:47,310 --> 01:35:50,820are doing, you know, Beethovenand jazz has happened and baby152301:35:50,820 --> 01:35:53,430we're deaf. papapa papapa. We'redoing shit. We're running with152401:35:53,430 --> 01:35:57,810scissors, and they're still inthe Encyclopedia of of Mozart.152501:35:58,350 --> 01:36:01,470That's, that's what it feelslike. And you know what, Dave?152601:36:02,100 --> 01:36:06,000If we had a meeting, and likeI'd say no more, just no more.152701:36:06,480 --> 01:36:10,320Tone raker said he has time torequire a boost a boost for152801:36:10,350 --> 01:36:12,840Satoshis for a meeting fordeposit.152901:36:13,260 --> 01:36:16,560Yeah, imagine imagine gettingthe purchase orders. The153001:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,480Purchase Order Form done forthat? I mean?153101:36:21,660 --> 01:36:23,820Speaking of let me thank acouple of people who have been153201:36:23,820 --> 01:36:28,290boosting us live verydiligently. Cuz we are. What are153301:36:28,290 --> 01:36:32,040we? Oh, my goodness. We'removing up in time here. A lot of153401:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,390people helping us out for theend of year we have. Let me see153501:36:36,390 --> 01:36:39,330marginally in this call becauseyou already read that. Padme is153601:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,680a Swedish. He sent us row aDuxton 2222 podcast subscription153701:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,230app that has several subscribersstarted out with True Crime153801:36:46,230 --> 01:36:52,380podcast. A small satchel ofRichards from tone wrecker. This153901:36:52,380 --> 01:36:56,850is my new satchel of RichardsYeah. 1111 That's a in America154001:36:56,850 --> 01:37:03,210we say bag of dicks. This isnine. Yes. These are the154101:37:03,210 --> 01:37:07,080entrails blueberry needs to see.Okay, then there's your 100,000154201:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,350SAS James Thank you very muchanother 9099 from tone raccoon154301:37:10,350 --> 01:37:13,590says appreciate the later livesession today. A chance to sit154401:37:13,590 --> 01:37:16,140in the chat Finally, whilelogged out of work. See this is154501:37:16,170 --> 01:37:21,540this is people love that.There's the net net with 10,000154601:37:21,540 --> 01:37:27,150No DJ, not VJ, PB and J podboosted jockey. We'll work on154701:37:27,150 --> 01:37:34,050it. net net. Let's see we havebrewery 33,333 Next week makes a154801:37:34,050 --> 01:37:38,190promo next week makes 100 Liveepisodes of BTS in the can going154901:37:38,190 --> 01:37:41,970live with IRC voicemail line issuch a killer combo 10 out of 10155001:37:41,970 --> 01:37:46,170would recommend if he don't mindhimself. Yes, congratulations on155101:37:46,170 --> 01:37:51,120100 There's Mike Dell with 5555last boost of 2022 Thank you155201:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,600very much Mike. Thank you Mike.big help. Another Martin Linda's155301:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,810called ro ducks, hard to do themultitasking, listened to co155401:37:57,810 --> 01:38:01,230host guests check the SAT keptcheck the Saturn boosted grants,155501:38:01,230 --> 01:38:04,890IRC chat messages, etc. Yeah,that's what DJs used to do, man155601:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,760until I'll tell us automatedsystems came along we had to155701:38:09,240 --> 01:38:10,320queue up records155801:38:12,750 --> 01:38:19,530to the fax machine because thatcouldn't be in the studio, could155901:38:19,530 --> 01:38:23,580it? Yeah, and we had parts wehad cards. All right, we had156001:38:23,580 --> 01:38:26,100to get the next get the nextoutbreak or if you were doing156101:38:26,100 --> 01:38:29,370split ads, you'd have to get thenext two sets of outbreak right?156201:38:29,610 --> 01:38:33,810They all added up to the end youtell the young people of today156301:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,710and they weren't understand156401:38:35,010 --> 01:38:38,130then there's the hotline oh shitthe program directors hotline156501:38:38,130 --> 01:38:44,880and we I said something wrong.We have PC 202 The moon 2023 and156601:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,650bond beyond says nv 4x 3333Always boosting us coming in156701:38:49,650 --> 01:38:54,840from curio caster. Let me see wehad we already did the blueberry156801:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,960bong rip. And I think that's itfor our pre booths. We156901:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,540appreciate that very much.Thanks some other people Dave157001:39:00,540 --> 01:39:01,380while we're at this,157101:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,230yeah, we got to pay pal. We gotto pay pals actually.157201:39:05,340 --> 01:39:08,670To pay pals. We havetransitioned baby. We are. We157301:39:08,670 --> 01:39:09,330are out.157401:39:10,590 --> 01:39:18,150We got 200 from the boys over atfountain Husker. Give us $200157501:39:18,150 --> 01:39:19,560Thank you, Oscar. Appreciatethat.157601:39:19,890 --> 01:39:20,490I think that's157701:39:22,890 --> 01:39:26,67020 blades on the Impala verymuch.157801:39:26,850 --> 01:39:29,160Did you approve that expense inthe advisor meeting?157901:39:31,740 --> 01:39:34,920Now that's not fair. Dave. Ialready told him I wouldn't. But158001:39:34,980 --> 01:39:38,430I have literally only spoken tothem once as an advisor.158101:39:39,570 --> 01:39:41,790But they're not getting theirmoney's worth. I need to work on158201:39:41,790 --> 01:39:42,120that.158301:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,470And they're not paying me JJ,just to be really clear. They're158401:39:46,470 --> 01:39:47,460not paying me. So158501:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,780we we need to talk James. Imean, we need to work on your158601:39:51,780 --> 01:39:56,640career. Maybe your agent. Ithink this I think this you can158701:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,730take this you can write this upand say look, here's my summary.158801:39:59,730 --> 01:40:03,060I did Some, some work and we'vegiven you lots of great ideas.158901:40:04,140 --> 01:40:06,510Marketing. Totally does.159001:40:06,990 --> 01:40:10,200Mark. James, are you secretlyresponsible for the marketing159101:40:10,200 --> 01:40:11,760ideas because they're prettygood.159201:40:12,990 --> 01:40:15,840They are really good to knowwhat they're doing. They do know159301:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,410what they're doing. So yeah, I'mimpressed. Very impressed. Good159401:40:19,410 --> 01:40:20,700company. It's great to beinvolved.159501:40:21,060 --> 01:40:23,310Love, love those guys time toget Oscar back on the show159601:40:23,310 --> 01:40:24,720hadn't had him in forever. Itold159701:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,610him when he has something torelease. And when you and then159801:40:26,610 --> 01:40:27,870we'll have him back on God Who159901:40:28,440 --> 01:40:31,230am waiting for live. I'm hopingyou still do last soon. That's160001:40:31,230 --> 01:40:35,250what I'm counting on. Thomas,I'm stat, give us $50. And he160101:40:35,250 --> 01:40:38,760says thank you. For cross appcomments. Why not use the RSS160201:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,720tuple? No comments sub element,loading the URL and an inept160301:40:42,720 --> 01:40:46,380browser gives a separation tomake app developers feel safe.160401:40:46,590 --> 01:40:50,0401000s of WordPress podcastersalready used this sub element go160501:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,140commenting Thomas Umstead forone160601:40:52,139 --> 01:40:58,529second. That is in the RSS spec,isn't it? Yeah, I think I think160701:40:58,529 --> 01:41:02,309there's a comment tag. Yes,there is a comment tag in the160801:41:02,309 --> 01:41:08,939RSS 2.0. Spec. Yeah. RSS 2.0adds the capability following an160901:41:08,969 --> 01:41:12,719RSS feed may contain elementsand attributes not described on161001:41:12,719 --> 01:41:17,519this page. It has come out asextending the comments RSS161101:41:17,879 --> 01:41:21,089places restrictions on the firstnon whitespace blah, blah, blah,161201:41:21,089 --> 01:41:25,349blah, blah. There is a Commentsfield in RSS 2.0.161301:41:26,370 --> 01:41:31,500I don't see it. I'm looking forthe see. Comment. Oh, yeah,161401:41:31,500 --> 01:41:34,350they're just common element ofitem. Yeah, he's not sure. So a161501:41:34,350 --> 01:41:37,230bit on the if present, it is theURL of the comments page for the161601:41:37,230 --> 01:41:39,600item. More about comments here.161701:41:39,630 --> 01:41:42,240That's interesting. How did wemiss that?161801:41:44,490 --> 01:41:46,890I don't know. Is it in? He saidthat it's161901:41:46,980 --> 01:41:51,630even ours? It's in RSS? 2.0.It's in the spec.162001:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,300But is it? Is it used in thewild?162101:41:55,110 --> 01:42:01,590Of course not. No, no, anythingthat's useful. We've evangelized162201:42:01,650 --> 01:42:04,770we've we've beat the payment.We've worked on it.162301:42:05,610 --> 01:42:10,140Oh, this is like the source thesource tag you know it's a great162401:42:10,140 --> 01:42:13,560idea wonderful idea, but itbarely exists in the wild like162501:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,420we use it for freedom withdrilling. That's the first time162601:42:15,420 --> 01:42:19,440I've ever seen it. I don't knowthis. I mean, it's an162701:42:19,440 --> 01:42:20,910interesting concept. I want to162801:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,020add something that162901:42:23,310 --> 01:42:26,370was do some research. I'mguessing he's talking about163001:42:26,370 --> 01:42:29,790opening in an iframe orsomething or a web view. I'm not163101:42:29,790 --> 01:42:32,730I'm not sure what I'll to engagewith him on the podcast163201:42:32,730 --> 01:42:36,210industry. Interesting. That wegot some Thanks, Thomas.163301:42:36,210 --> 01:42:42,930Appreciate that man. So thisgramps Deelen gave us 6500 SAS163401:42:42,930 --> 01:42:46,620the fountain Nene says there'sonly there's only one real jack163501:42:46,650 --> 01:42:50,280on noster. And he didn't use thehang tin emoji noster is163601:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,550developing quickly, including away to verify offside. What he163701:42:53,550 --> 01:42:57,930did was give 14 BTC to one ofthe devs working on one app,163801:42:58,140 --> 01:43:01,230whose first act was to give halfof that to the dev working on163901:43:01,260 --> 01:43:04,890another noster app, which soundsgreat to me, way too soon to164001:43:04,890 --> 01:43:07,980tell where it's going to go. Butthat's part of what makes it164101:43:07,980 --> 01:43:09,120feel fun. And164201:43:10,140 --> 01:43:13,350it was it was most definitelyJack Dorsey because I have I164301:43:13,350 --> 01:43:16,590have communications with JackDorsey. And from time to time I164401:43:16,590 --> 01:43:19,770say Hey, Jack Dorsey,podcasting. 2.0 And then he164501:43:19,770 --> 01:43:21,000doesn't talk to me for a while.164601:43:22,890 --> 01:43:25,140This is this a trend thishappens a lot actually.164701:43:25,170 --> 01:43:30,210I know. Hey, I'm not I'm notbashful. It's like, awesome.164801:43:30,210 --> 01:43:33,390Jack Dorsey's like doing a hang10 emoji on my nostro accounts.164901:43:33,390 --> 01:43:35,160I'm like, hey, now we know165001:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,430the only time that's ever workedreally well is when we met with165101:43:38,430 --> 01:43:41,340Pocket Cast people and it'slike, like, hey, we want to we165201:43:41,340 --> 01:43:43,050want you to do this and this andthis and this and they were165301:43:43,050 --> 01:43:43,740like, Yeah, okay.165401:43:44,490 --> 01:43:48,720Right. I did ping Matt but Ihaven't heard back from him so I165501:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,320don't know what's going on. Oh,cool. Okay, well cool. He hasn't165601:43:52,320 --> 01:43:53,580answered me not cool.165701:43:54,030 --> 01:43:57,390Well, I mean, it's cool it'sit's cool. Did something happen?165801:43:59,670 --> 01:44:00,960Positive we move on165901:44:00,990 --> 01:44:03,540I know I know. We move theneedle we move the needle a166001:44:03,540 --> 01:44:05,310little bit. dealin166101:44:05,490 --> 01:44:09,990again, 22 zero dose tu tu tu tutu fountain he says regarding my166201:44:09,990 --> 01:44:13,050last boost. Okay, that was Jackbut my point still stands166301:44:16,230 --> 01:44:20,520I was right it was Jack Exactly.Like you know you don't talk to166401:44:20,520 --> 01:44:26,430jack man. Okay, be amazed. You'dbe amazed who I talk to people.166501:44:27,570 --> 01:44:32,250Jean Everett 250,006 o166601:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,330blades on M power. I166701:44:36,330 --> 01:44:38,100know how much money that is indollars.166801:44:38,130 --> 01:44:41,490I just love the idea. I don'teven know Yeah, Christmas boost166901:44:41,490 --> 01:44:42,000boost boost.167001:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,190Thank you man. Boost boost.167101:44:45,870 --> 01:44:47,220Can you go is that right?167201:44:47,250 --> 01:44:50,760Can you go? Yeah, all right.Let's say that guy Yeah.167301:44:54,030 --> 01:44:57,120Ad Sales and sets. Mountain. Nonote.167401:44:57,150 --> 01:45:01,170Holy crap. Nice man. Thank you.Oh, yeah, no,167501:45:01,170 --> 01:45:06,450not even not even a note shestream 10,552 set. Thank you for167601:45:06,450 --> 01:45:08,340sending that Satoshi stringbecause I was afraid you were167701:45:08,340 --> 01:45:09,600dead. We haven't heard from you.167801:45:09,810 --> 01:45:13,200How are those guys? How youdoing? How you doing boosters?167901:45:13,500 --> 01:45:15,360How you doing boosters? Hey,168001:45:16,770 --> 01:45:19,620he says congrats on the wholecoin node. Oh, thanks.168101:45:19,830 --> 01:45:22,770And how are you guys doing?Should we have those guys on168201:45:22,770 --> 01:45:23,940Have we ever had those guys on?168301:45:24,450 --> 01:45:27,330Yeah, I'm just afraid that he'sgonna do some sort of voice168401:45:27,750 --> 01:45:32,250masquerade like you know?Absolutely can't tell who he is?168501:45:33,420 --> 01:45:35,490I don't know he seemed he seemslike one of the NEM guys168601:45:36,450 --> 01:45:39,210from the Satoshi streams.Congratulations.168701:45:41,580 --> 01:45:49,770Yeah, and it's a girl. Oh Royscheinfeld Ah 4321 Hello Roy168801:45:50,550 --> 01:45:54,480from breeze and he says MerryChristmas with cute emojis.168901:45:54,480 --> 01:45:55,230Thank you Roy and169001:45:55,230 --> 01:45:57,810Happy Hanukkah although it'sover now but Happy Hanukkah.169101:45:59,580 --> 01:46:04,500Thank you brother 40,000 SASfrom ninja mort, nice fountain.169201:46:05,010 --> 01:46:07,680And he says Happy Christmas.Happy Christmas to you. He must.169301:46:08,040 --> 01:46:09,240He must be in the UK169401:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,670busua Do they say HappyChristmas in the UK? Is that169501:46:14,670 --> 01:46:17,010there's a thing? They don't sayMerry Christmas,169601:46:17,250 --> 01:46:17,790James.169701:46:18,420 --> 01:46:21,420Well, you know Happy Christmasyou know alcohol and stuff. You169801:46:21,420 --> 01:46:23,550want to steer clear uncle Mary.So169901:46:24,540 --> 01:46:25,260the UK says.170001:46:26,370 --> 01:46:29,790Yeah. I've read my CharlesDickens. I know there's a merry170101:46:29,790 --> 01:46:30,720Christmas. Oh, by170201:46:30,720 --> 01:46:35,040the way. If you read yourCharles Dickens, you must see170301:46:35,610 --> 01:46:41,760spirited. It's a it's a redo ofthe Christmas story. With Will170401:46:41,760 --> 01:46:48,120Ferrell is dynamite. It's amusical. It's it's for the170501:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,900noose, a new generation of theScrooge story. It's fantastic.170601:46:52,260 --> 01:46:56,940Of course. I was will feralswarm up man podcast. You were170701:46:56,940 --> 01:46:59,400his fluffer if you remember thatwas his warm up, man.170801:47:00,300 --> 01:47:05,010Sorry, I missed that one. Didyou meet? Did you meet?170901:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,490No. Of course what washilarious. What's hilarious is I171001:47:08,490 --> 01:47:12,180was I was the white man. I wasstanding on stage for about 15171101:47:12,180 --> 01:47:16,170minutes. Warming, warmingeverybody. Warming warming171201:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,030warming everybody up andrealizing that this was the171301:47:18,030 --> 01:47:20,490first time that I stood on thestage for two and a half years171401:47:20,490 --> 01:47:23,280so no worries. No wonder I wasfeeling so nervous given the171501:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,730pandemic and everything. Yeah.And Will Ferrell sort of appears171601:47:26,730 --> 01:47:31,080after me and does his his hisshtick and I didn't even see him171701:47:31,080 --> 01:47:31,290so171801:47:32,760 --> 01:47:33,660let's blame171901:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,510that put it on your CV. That'sgood.172001:47:37,320 --> 01:47:42,360Oh yeah, we're board boardmember of the podcast index.172101:47:44,460 --> 01:47:49,170Nuts over esteemed board memberboard member172201:47:50,820 --> 01:47:54,630some quack sinister road duckstu tu tu tu in through fountain172301:47:54,630 --> 01:47:56,520he says always enjoyable Happyholidays.172401:47:57,600 --> 01:47:58,740Happy holidays to you.172501:47:59,670 --> 01:48:02,940subservient 10,000 SATs throughfountain but no note from172601:48:02,940 --> 01:48:09,540absurdity and in vache VA kesince a 2500 Sats are found but172701:48:09,540 --> 01:48:15,570no note row sticks from GeorgeOrwell no note. Oh, Oscar marry172801:48:16,260 --> 01:48:17,730250,000 says172901:48:17,760 --> 01:48:23,730Oh 20 Is blades on the Impalafam173001:48:23,760 --> 01:48:29,280it's eggnog for everybody thankyou Oscar. Raise173101:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,950your glasses Merry Christmasguys been working hard trying to173201:48:31,950 --> 01:48:35,550get found oh point six outbefore the end of the year. Oh173301:48:35,580 --> 01:48:36,060that's173401:48:36,299 --> 01:48:41,339trying to say something. Yes youcan. Do not repeat Oscar do not173501:48:41,339 --> 01:48:47,279release anything on New Year'sEve. You never release before a173601:48:47,279 --> 01:48:52,529holiday Yeah, you'll be upyou'll be working in the middle173701:48:52,529 --> 01:48:55,139of the night dealing with allkinds of shit keep it until173801:48:55,139 --> 01:48:56,609January 3 brother.173901:48:57,240 --> 01:48:58,470No change Fridays174001:48:58,500 --> 01:49:00,750No, we've been in the trencheson that.174101:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,020Merry Christmas guys beenworking hard trying to get174201:49:04,380 --> 01:49:07,440fountain point six out beforethe end of the year. Once that's174301:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,780live we'll definitely take alook at nostra and see if it's174401:49:09,780 --> 01:49:11,730possible to bridge what we'vedone with boosts.174501:49:11,730 --> 01:49:16,680Oh, good. No, no, no, no. Stop.Just calm. Calm down. Calm down.174601:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,960No, I think he's talking aboutover to activity pub.174701:49:19,770 --> 01:49:28,830Still. Calm down. Oh, goodness.Yeah. A lot going on.174801:49:28,950 --> 01:49:30,360smart guys. smart guys.174901:49:30,690 --> 01:49:33,180I'm just I'm just giving mypersonal opinion. Calm down.175001:49:33,210 --> 01:49:33,480This is175101:49:35,160 --> 01:49:39,480it the nostre thing was like abomb that went off inside. It's175201:49:39,480 --> 01:49:43,860like, everybody was just like,Okay, we get we're feeling good.175301:49:43,890 --> 01:49:48,120Get this thing and it was likenostril Oh, God. It was like one175401:49:48,120 --> 01:49:49,020more protocol.175501:49:49,890 --> 01:49:50,970Smoking a pancake.175601:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,730Right. By the way, I will pointout that Sam Sethi just boosted175701:49:56,730 --> 01:50:02,430100,000 SATs. No no wager. Nownecessary, Happy New Year. And175801:50:02,430 --> 01:50:06,990then of course it's a promotionpod fans in 2023 Yo,175901:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,470you know, he was afraid thatJames wouldn't pay so he was he176001:50:10,470 --> 01:50:11,940was given he was given backstop176101:50:11,970 --> 01:50:13,590Hey, is that pod fans live yet?176201:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,600Nice It was January right Ithink it's January as a pod176301:50:18,600 --> 01:50:19,620fans.com176401:50:20,850 --> 01:50:23,370I don't know what it I don'tknow what he's where's that it's176501:50:23,370 --> 01:50:24,900in a top secret look bunker.176601:50:24,990 --> 01:50:26,340Okay, I'm excited.176701:50:26,790 --> 01:50:30,240The audio live176801:50:30,540 --> 01:50:35,040radio.com Alright. That'd becool176901:50:38,850 --> 01:50:43,560is a surprise. Yeah, he sayslet's see if it's possible to177001:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,660bridge bridge what we've donewith boosting comments on177101:50:45,660 --> 01:50:49,050fountain to allow to work acrossapp. Amazing gear and excited177201:50:49,050 --> 01:50:50,730for 2023 Go podcasting.177301:50:51,960 --> 01:50:58,380Hold on a second go podcast. Soproud of that jingle.177401:50:59,490 --> 01:51:03,8101337 Delete boost from Genebein. He says I think you all177501:51:03,810 --> 01:51:06,630are wrong about people notwanting comments. I think most177601:51:06,630 --> 01:51:09,960people don't know. It's anoption. This could provide. I177701:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,800think activity pub comments donedirectly in podcast apps via an177801:51:13,800 --> 01:51:18,150OAuth flow like Mastodon clientswould it be welcome Well, that's177901:51:18,180 --> 01:51:19,410James agrees with you that's178001:51:19,410 --> 01:51:20,880what he said. That's right. Whowas this?178101:51:21,719 --> 01:51:23,189No that was Jean been a jean178201:51:23,190 --> 01:51:28,290being we're just going todefragment you make sure you're178301:51:28,290 --> 01:51:28,800healthy.178401:51:29,310 --> 01:51:33,720No you don't we're getting roughout there crow knuckle 3333178501:51:33,720 --> 01:51:39,300through fountain no note fromChronicle. See true true grits.178601:51:39,330 --> 01:51:44,4306000 SATs through fountain hesays you should have Chris last178701:51:44,430 --> 01:51:46,890from Jupiter broadcasting backon to talk about membership178801:51:46,890 --> 01:51:50,310paywall content in addition toboosts works for his network178901:51:50,310 --> 01:51:55,260also congrats on the full termBitcoin baby. Yes, we made it179001:51:55,260 --> 01:51:56,040nine months179101:51:56,220 --> 01:52:01,590well this is Alby contracts areworking on something like that179201:52:01,590 --> 01:52:03,510we'll see how that works. I'mcurious179301:52:04,020 --> 01:52:06,420Yeah, and just if anybody'scurious I'm looking at the daily179401:52:06,450 --> 01:52:10,680The Daily Report Yeah, we did wehit one bitcoin on the node and179501:52:10,680 --> 01:52:16,230so and 72% of that is is enchantis active in channels providing179601:52:16,230 --> 01:52:20,190liquidity so Oh yes. Well wecould snapshot of where we're at179701:52:20,250 --> 01:52:23,850and we can open more channelspeople we've got liquidity if179801:52:23,850 --> 01:52:26,370you need if you need liquiditywe're happy to own the channel179901:52:26,610 --> 01:52:29,460isn't is opening more channelsand actually boosting the size180001:52:29,460 --> 01:52:32,280of existing channels to whichyou know that's the main thing180101:52:32,280 --> 01:52:32,730Yeah,180201:52:32,790 --> 01:52:35,790we definitely have to do that.We had to we had to scale180301:52:35,790 --> 01:52:39,690up with with with fountain youknow recently because they180401:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,670couldn't get the boost throughthere was there was no big180501:52:41,670 --> 01:52:46,950enough channel. I fiber citadel.Yep. 1998 says thank you Auburn180601:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,110Citadel no note. Oh, this is oneAuburn Citadel streamers. Double180701:52:52,110 --> 01:52:57,120in a row. Chaos. 99 2200 SATsthrough fountaining says Enjoy180801:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,660podcasting. 2.0 a masterclass isthe true spirit of agile180901:53:00,660 --> 01:53:03,960delivery. A truly investedproduct owner in Adam and Dave181001:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,150representing the product teamwith first principles and181101:53:06,150 --> 01:53:07,590developing a viable product.181201:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,960Well, that was I don't know whatyou said. But I'll give you a181301:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,380Stanley I'll take181401:53:14,430 --> 01:53:23,670Martin lindskog. Tu tu tu tu tutu tu Wow, that's 222,220 sets.181501:53:27,450 --> 01:53:30,06020 blades on the Impala.181601:53:30,090 --> 01:53:32,280Oh man. Double eggnog181701:53:32,730 --> 01:53:35,970that's through pod verse. Nice.Cool. Who's coming in through181801:53:35,970 --> 01:53:39,750pod first? Yeah. Adam and Dave,you have the deluxe six Deluxe,181901:53:39,780 --> 01:53:43,980tu tu tu tu tu tu in a row. Ilook forward to becoming182001:53:43,980 --> 01:53:47,940podcasting. 2.0 certified during2023 t shirt size medium have a182101:53:47,940 --> 01:53:50,430prosperous New Year Martinlindskog Tea Party media182201:53:50,430 --> 01:53:51,090podcasts.182301:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,690My husband Martin already hitthe threshold for a T182401:53:54,690 --> 01:53:58,410shirt. Oh, yeah, that was it.Let's just hit it. Yeah,182501:53:58,440 --> 01:54:02,430we got to send them that. I lovehis style, ma'am. He's got a182601:54:02,430 --> 01:54:07,590cool look. He's got a cool look.I like him. But if you're182701:54:07,590 --> 01:54:09,630listening to this podcast, youshould it's pretty easy.182801:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,800Martin send me send me youraddress email it to me so I know182901:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,630where to send it. And we'll getyou just send183001:54:15,630 --> 01:54:19,830another booster gram with it.I'll be fine. Yeah. I'm still183101:54:19,830 --> 01:54:21,390waiting for my stickers. Todd.183201:54:22,590 --> 01:54:27,210Oh, the toe to toe is This isTodd is183301:54:27,570 --> 01:54:32,280a welfare man. He's welding onthe stickers. Yeah, what was a183401:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,700bill it was like was it 50,000Why was it for the stickers? I183501:54:35,700 --> 01:54:37,560don't remember. It was a big bignumber.183601:54:38,220 --> 01:54:42,870I sent him stickers. Because ifyou sent him stickers then I183701:54:42,870 --> 01:54:44,010would send stickers back.183801:54:44,130 --> 01:54:46,830No, no, no, no, I said so hesaid for those he said if I sent183901:54:46,830 --> 01:54:50,280it was like some boost amountand he would send stickers and184001:54:50,280 --> 01:54:56,730then I boosted the same amountwith my address. Still no184101:54:57,120 --> 01:54:57,600stickers.184201:54:58,140 --> 01:55:02,760Tone records says 55 55 throughbreeze and he says Sammy Hagar184301:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,440boost I think that's I thinkthat's right. I think that is184401:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,520the Sammy Hagar boost.184501:55:14,940 --> 01:55:19,41025,000 sounds from Dobby das atRSS blue.com puter Eason he says184601:55:19,590 --> 01:55:22,260Happy new year starting tocelebrate even earlier than184701:55:22,260 --> 01:55:25,470Australians just to send thisbooster ground. Oh, boost boost184801:55:25,470 --> 01:55:28,320boost. That's right, James.You're you're celebrating New184901:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,970Year's and what 12 hours fromnow?185001:55:30,750 --> 01:55:35,550Yes, yes indeed in 13 hours fromnow. And if you're watching ABC185101:55:35,550 --> 01:55:39,330TV here, then I will be singingAuld Lang sign just after the185201:55:39,330 --> 01:55:40,290fireworks and midnight.185301:55:40,860 --> 01:55:41,670Really? Are you?185401:55:41,730 --> 01:55:47,190Is this a paid game? Along withanother 700 people? I will be185501:55:47,190 --> 01:55:47,760singing it.185601:55:47,790 --> 01:55:49,920Where are you in studio? Are youin studio?185701:55:50,519 --> 01:55:55,259We recorded it about two monthsago. And we're all taught it's a185801:55:55,259 --> 01:55:59,699it's it's in a pub. And it's allin four part harmony. And yeah,185901:55:59,699 --> 01:56:00,869it's Connect. It's going to begood fun186001:56:00,900 --> 01:56:04,980just to share for a moment. SoMTV always used to do this New186101:56:04,980 --> 01:56:09,210Year's Eve big thing. Very muchlike declerck are now Ryan186201:56:09,210 --> 01:56:13,320Seacrest. And in fact, my firston air appearance and MTV was186301:56:13,320 --> 01:56:18,9001987 Going into 1988 they saidokay, Adam, we want you on time186401:56:18,900 --> 01:56:21,180squared and at times square thenwas dangerous. You could get186501:56:21,180 --> 01:56:25,200killed in Times Square. Now youcan be drunk fall down and you186601:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,470bounce back because it's allrubber. And there's no cars. So186701:56:28,470 --> 01:56:31,380I had a bodyguard with a with agun. That was really exciting186801:56:31,380 --> 01:56:35,100back then, you know, hundreds of1000s of my best friends than I186901:56:35,100 --> 01:56:38,730was reporting down there. Butthen in later years, we would187001:56:38,730 --> 01:56:42,000always have the big New Year'sEve celebration bash with all187101:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,560these artists, which we'd recordin July. And it was I hated187201:56:46,560 --> 01:56:52,860that. It sucks. So bad. So bad.It's so fake. It's so typical187301:56:52,860 --> 01:56:54,720television. It I hate it.187401:56:55,980 --> 01:56:59,100That real real stuff is is areally important thing. Isn't187501:56:59,100 --> 01:56:59,670it? The way187601:56:59,669 --> 01:57:03,299it used to be when we were youngJames? Oh, yeah. Well, how old187701:57:03,299 --> 01:57:05,279are you? What are you? Are you50 yet?187801:57:05,910 --> 01:57:10,740I am 51 and i Yes, I'm 51 Yeah,go Yeah.187901:57:12,630 --> 01:57:13,920Dave's the younger in here.188001:57:14,100 --> 01:57:17,670No, I'm a baby. I'm an absolutebaby. Yeah, yeah. 46188101:57:17,790 --> 01:57:18,630she188201:57:21,930 --> 01:57:24,480remember 46 Everything was inblack and white and it was war188301:57:24,480 --> 01:57:24,750on188401:57:29,700 --> 01:57:38,820the siren keep going off. JakeJayco jackal stirred Jake. Il188501:57:38,820 --> 01:57:44,130STR okay. I don't know how topronounce it. 11111 He says a188601:57:44,130 --> 01:57:47,220row dicks to round out the Year.Happy New Year. Sir Jake the188701:57:47,220 --> 01:57:48,240hard gays night.188801:57:50,940 --> 01:57:57,600Sir Jake is he's actually he's aSubmariner. Remember, it's not188901:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,070gay if it's underway, everybody.189001:58:01,350 --> 01:58:06,960717 is a 1770 76 for blueberry.He says Adam, can you rip that189101:58:06,960 --> 01:58:07,410bond for189201:58:07,410 --> 01:58:10,380me? Yeah, we already did that.Yeah. So we're back to the we're189301:58:10,380 --> 01:58:11,430almost at the delimiter189401:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,310okay, we know we got thedeliveries right here. He's189501:58:14,310 --> 01:58:20,100staring me in the face coming.Yes, everybody. 33,015 says he189601:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,810says Dave. Adam, is theprecipice of change looms over189701:58:24,810 --> 01:58:28,560humanity and your contributionis appreciated. Attitudes189801:58:28,560 --> 01:58:32,100formulated now will have longlasting effects on the future of189901:58:32,100 --> 01:58:35,790our species. So prescribe yourlisteners a hearty meal of the190001:58:35,790 --> 01:58:39,660podcast, AI duck cooking. StayAhead of the leaps that190101:58:39,660 --> 01:58:43,140artificial sentience is makinginfotainment with your enigmatic190201:58:43,140 --> 01:58:46,170narrator, Gregory WilliamForsythe foreman, yo.190301:58:46,559 --> 01:58:50,519So it's aI dot cooking and Ithink to round out the year we190401:58:50,519 --> 01:58:55,409should play his custom jinglewhich I have had it and use for190501:58:55,409 --> 01:59:01,559I would say 16 years 16 Maybe 17years he's been around a long190601:59:01,559 --> 01:59:01,979time.190701:59:02,670 --> 01:59:07,800Comic Strip, strip, comic strip,comic strip on the Strip, strip,190801:59:08,700 --> 01:59:10,680con extra comic category.190901:59:12,900 --> 01:59:13,770Comic Strip191001:59:17,100 --> 01:59:21,300Thank you comic strip. Monthly.Get another guest Michael191101:59:21,300 --> 01:59:26,430Kimmerer $5.33 Lesley Martin $2,dribs got the Bruce Wayne of191201:59:26,430 --> 01:59:32,340podcasting 2.0 $15 Aaron Renaud$5 and Pedro Gon calvess $5191301:59:32,340 --> 01:59:32,910That's our group.191401:59:33,150 --> 01:59:36,180Thank you all very much valuefor value. You hear it here.191501:59:36,180 --> 01:59:39,330It's working. It's for thepodcast is for the project. You191601:59:39,330 --> 01:59:42,390keep it all moving. You keep itrockin. Yeah, you heard. We have191701:59:42,420 --> 01:59:46,200a full coin. It's on the node.We're providing liquidity hit us191801:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,690up. We're happy to do it. Welove doing it. It's our191901:59:48,690 --> 01:59:51,870retirement project. Pleaseremember us when we're dead. Go192001:59:51,870 --> 01:59:55,350to podcast index.org down at thebottom you gotta you gotta192101:59:55,350 --> 01:59:59,010donate button you can use yourfun Fiat fun coupons there. You192201:59:59,010 --> 02:00:01,680can even Oh, I should show goingagain. I guess you can even send192302:00:01,680 --> 02:00:04,920us a whole Bitcoin if you wanton chain there is there's a QR192402:00:04,920 --> 02:00:08,850Code Forge. Oddly enough, no oneever seems to do it. Even though192502:00:09,240 --> 02:00:12,600Hey, man, if you I'll donate ifyou can put it up put it up in192602:00:12,600 --> 02:00:16,050the Bitcoin. No, it's not true.Let me see the last time we192702:00:16,050 --> 02:00:21,390received anything on throughthat was August 22, August 26.192802:00:21,390 --> 02:00:22,860So it's been quite a while. No,it's192902:00:22,860 --> 02:00:23,760on fire. Yeah,193002:00:24,090 --> 02:00:28,110it's rocket but get one of thosenewfangled podcast apps go to193102:00:28,230 --> 02:00:35,730pod news.net/new podcast apps.Yes. Well, plates.193202:00:37,650 --> 02:00:40,320Goodwill work. Yes. Nude podcastapp.193302:00:40,500 --> 02:00:43,140Nude podcast. app.com. Yes,correct.193402:00:43,920 --> 02:00:47,070One thing you will never getfrom this show is this, this193502:00:47,070 --> 02:00:50,400message from Patreon that wentout to their customers. We're193602:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,430happy we're happy to notify youthat you have met or are well on193702:00:53,430 --> 02:00:56,310your way to meeting thethreshold to receive a 10 99k193802:00:56,310 --> 02:01:05,010form. This is my favorite partof this. This is form 10 99k is193902:01:05,010 --> 02:01:07,590an IRS Form used to reportpayment card and third party194002:01:07,590 --> 02:01:11,580network transactions in aneffort to improve voluntary tax194102:01:11,580 --> 02:01:16,410compliance. Right volunteeringis an interesting term we're194202:01:16,410 --> 02:01:19,200going to give your informationto the government so that you194302:01:19,200 --> 02:01:20,460can voluntarily194402:01:22,740 --> 02:01:26,220you will obey you will Why wasmy obey clip194502:01:27,030 --> 02:01:29,700yes it's totally voluntary thisis you don't have to194602:01:30,540 --> 02:01:35,010here it is I knew I had you willobey you will obey you will194702:01:35,010 --> 02:01:35,670obey.194802:01:37,290 --> 02:01:39,690Well there's there's a remix asa remix. So194902:01:39,720 --> 02:01:44,880have more tail have more tailhave more tail, have more tail,195002:01:44,910 --> 02:01:47,610have more tail have more tailyou.195102:01:51,180 --> 02:01:52,530What's your programming fortoday?195202:01:54,870 --> 02:01:57,660Do you want to read this? Thisis the board maybe we're doing a195302:01:57,660 --> 02:02:01,200read this on the air real quickthis account takedown request195402:02:01,200 --> 02:02:01,710that we got?195502:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,060Is that something we candiscuss? Well,195602:02:09,570 --> 02:02:13,440I would think it was regardingone of the apps it wasn't even195702:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,790regarding us actually.195802:02:15,120 --> 02:02:15,960Did you read it?195902:02:16,349 --> 02:02:19,529I only quickly I saw thescreenshot it looked like they196002:02:19,529 --> 02:02:24,449said, Hey, we have this thislink here. Which that's not our196102:02:24,449 --> 02:02:24,959link.196202:02:25,799 --> 02:02:29,249Yeah, but but the website, Imean, the podcast is. So we196302:02:29,249 --> 02:02:33,089basically got to let me see if Ican generif Fie this enough that196402:02:33,359 --> 02:02:38,969we get a takedown request for apodcast. And it says this196502:02:38,999 --> 02:02:42,929account is illegally falsifyingthe identity of fill in the196602:02:42,929 --> 02:02:47,279blank by using its executivesname and image in the profile196702:02:47,279 --> 02:02:50,009violating the privacy policy ofthe client.196802:02:51,150 --> 02:02:54,330I lost I loved the privacypolicy of the client, whatever196902:02:54,330 --> 02:02:54,870that is,197002:02:55,559 --> 02:02:58,829it says as well, let me justkind of read through it here.197102:02:58,859 --> 02:03:02,579Because I'm interested to knowwhat which was, take us on this.197202:03:02,579 --> 02:03:06,419It says greetings, we have theauthorized representatives of197302:03:06,449 --> 02:03:08,939fill in the blank. And they havebrought this URL to our197402:03:08,939 --> 02:03:14,849attention. And it's a link to apodcast app to a certain podcast197502:03:14,849 --> 02:03:19,679on a podcast app that clearlythe podcast app uses our data as197602:03:19,679 --> 02:03:22,109the backend. So I'm assumingthat that's how they got in197702:03:22,109 --> 02:03:26,369touch with us. It says thisaccount, whatever that means, is197802:03:26,369 --> 02:03:29,249illegally falsifying theidentity of fill in the blank by197902:03:29,249 --> 02:03:32,549using its executives name and aimage in the profile violating198002:03:32,549 --> 02:03:35,879the privacy policy of theclient. The site is falsifying198102:03:35,879 --> 02:03:40,409the identity of our client bypodcasting information, which198202:03:40,409 --> 02:03:44,129could impact the brand andreputation. Our client has198302:03:44,129 --> 02:03:48,089requested the removal of theseprofiles, as it is violating the198402:03:48,089 --> 02:03:52,259company policies and doesn'tbelong to them. Kindly remove198502:03:52,259 --> 02:03:53,999these profiles on priority.198602:03:54,330 --> 02:03:58,290Now, here's the problem. Theemail the screenshot you sent me198702:03:58,290 --> 02:04:01,140has a name as our company is ata law firm is as198802:04:02,430 --> 02:04:08,010well, the it's it's a verygeneric sounding name with no198902:04:08,010 --> 02:04:11,490website, which makes mesuspicious. But at the same199002:04:11,490 --> 02:04:18,450time, like what what's the pointof this? Like? It doesn't seem199102:04:18,450 --> 02:04:22,020like a phishing type scam unlessit's199202:04:22,050 --> 02:04:24,720well it's not it's not coming.I'm just looking at the email199302:04:24,720 --> 02:04:31,740addresses not coming from a froma law firm. No. I and I199402:04:31,740 --> 02:04:35,220generally see this as a big pileof horseshit. If you want to if199502:04:35,220 --> 02:04:38,070you're a lawyer and you're doinga takedown then there's a199602:04:38,100 --> 02:04:40,200there's a procedure for thatJames, you know,199702:04:40,200 --> 02:04:41,640as a way of doing that, yeah.What199802:04:41,640 --> 02:04:42,480is the procedure?199902:04:43,080 --> 02:04:48,450I filled in yesterday, I filledin a number of DMCA claim200002:04:48,450 --> 02:04:52,920things. Anchor because there aresome shows on Anchor called pod200102:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,050news. And pod news is aregistered trademark and I've200202:04:55,050 --> 02:04:58,950spent a lot of money in the USand in Canada for it and no you200302:04:58,950 --> 02:05:01,920don't get to launch Your ownpodcast called pod news. Thank200402:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,700you very much. And so yeah, so Iwas filling in that kind of200502:05:05,700 --> 02:05:08,040information. And that'stypically the way but you200602:05:08,040 --> 02:05:11,670obviously need a registeredtrademark first. We should point200702:05:11,670 --> 02:05:15,300out that this is not this is notfill in the blanks the podcast200802:05:15,300 --> 02:05:19,680from Dr. Phil McGraw. This is atotally separate podcasts that200902:05:19,680 --> 02:05:24,540David's talking about. But yeah,you know, so if you want to, if201002:05:24,540 --> 02:05:27,750you want to protect your stuff,the best way of protecting your201102:05:27,750 --> 02:05:31,320stuff is firstly, not to call itsomething generic, like let's201202:05:31,350 --> 02:05:35,580talk because there are over 1000shows called Let's Talk already,201302:05:36,120 --> 02:05:41,940but secondly to to if you can toregister that name of your201402:05:41,940 --> 02:05:45,570podcast as a trademark becausethat then means that there is201502:05:45,570 --> 02:05:50,760law on your side where you canwhere you can talk to whoever it201602:05:50,760 --> 02:05:53,550might be and say no, it's aregistered trademark, here is my201702:05:53,550 --> 02:05:57,570number. And you need to takethis, this this this down,201802:05:57,570 --> 02:06:01,320otherwise you will lose incourt. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.201902:06:01,350 --> 02:06:04,650You know, so that's basicallythe way and unfortunately, you202002:06:04,650 --> 02:06:08,640know, you do end up seeingpeople, I mean, any search for,202102:06:09,180 --> 02:06:12,210you know, whether it's cereal,or This American Life, you'll202202:06:12,210 --> 02:06:15,600see a bunch of people who havebasically copied that podcast202302:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,050and put it into their own anchoraccount so that they can somehow202402:06:19,050 --> 02:06:21,540earn some money out of it. Idon't fully understand how that202502:06:21,540 --> 02:06:22,260bit works. Now,202602:06:22,260 --> 02:06:27,450just to be clear, this is theactual podcast of the like,202702:06:27,900 --> 02:06:31,530this, this is the real feed.This is not a clone feed. This202802:06:31,530 --> 02:06:32,250is the actual202902:06:32,250 --> 02:06:35,790is the actual feed, have areally okay, yes, is the real203002:06:35,790 --> 02:06:39,240feed that they're wanting takendown. Because I203102:06:39,240 --> 02:06:43,440got a lawyer, I got a lawyercontact me about six months or203202:06:43,440 --> 02:06:47,310so ago. So pod news itself has apodcast directory in there,203302:06:47,310 --> 02:06:51,900which is powered by both Appleand the podcast index. And I had203402:06:51,900 --> 02:06:55,830someone contact me about sixmonths ago saying the only203502:06:55,830 --> 02:07:00,390people who are allowed to havemy clients podcast on Apple203602:07:00,390 --> 02:07:06,120podcasts, you must not belinking to the podcast in any203702:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,810way shape, or form because it'sexclusive to Apple podcasts.203802:07:09,810 --> 02:07:14,910They were hosted on Lipson for astart. So. So already, there's203902:07:14,940 --> 02:07:17,970clearly a problem here becauseNo, it's not actually on Apple204002:07:17,970 --> 02:07:22,050podcasts anyway. But alsosecondly, I was linking to it. I204102:07:22,050 --> 02:07:25,860was linking to the podcast tothe podcasts audio in exactly204202:07:25,860 --> 02:07:28,680the same way as any otherpodcast app does. But the lawyer204302:07:28,680 --> 02:07:32,670was deeply upset. And so if yousearch for this particular204402:07:32,670 --> 02:07:37,020podcast now, on the pod newswebsite, I won't tell you the204502:07:37,020 --> 02:07:40,440name of the podcast, theninstead of getting the podcast204602:07:40,440 --> 02:07:45,870information, you get a you getan article about what they want204702:07:45,990 --> 02:07:51,270the lawyer asked for and anembed of the apple podcasts204802:07:51,270 --> 02:07:55,530player so that it's directlylinking to Apple podcasts, you204902:07:55,530 --> 02:07:58,650can still listen to it on my onmy website is just is just an205002:07:58,650 --> 02:08:01,320embed, but you know that that'swhat they wanted. So hopefully205102:08:01,320 --> 02:08:05,670that that's okay, though. Thereare a lot of a lot of lawyers205202:08:05,850 --> 02:08:09,120who just simply don't understandthe podcast space and don't205302:08:09,120 --> 02:08:12,000understand me and Adam, you musthave had this for years and205402:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,780years and years of dumb lawyersnot fully understanding what a205502:08:15,780 --> 02:08:19,410link is, and what, you know,copying content it.205602:08:19,650 --> 02:08:25,650Yes. And I've had many, I'veactually been taken to court205702:08:25,650 --> 02:08:31,920over the Lanham acts. And I've,I've taken publications, and one205802:08:32,520 --> 02:08:36,960using Creative Commonscopyright. In fact, I was the205902:08:36,960 --> 02:08:40,980first one to prove it in court.In this case, I think we just206002:08:40,980 --> 02:08:43,740need to know that this guyactually represents this206102:08:43,740 --> 02:08:47,790particular client. And if theywant that gone fuck him down.206202:08:47,790 --> 02:08:51,180And you know what I likedJames's idea was put a copy of206302:08:51,180 --> 02:08:54,030their takedown request as the asthe search result. Boom, there206402:08:54,030 --> 02:08:57,300you go. Yeah, there you go.Enjoy that. Because it's a206502:08:57,300 --> 02:09:00,150mainstream show. You know, it'sa big mainstream show, and206602:09:00,150 --> 02:09:04,710they've got morons working. Soif he can prove that he is truly206702:09:04,710 --> 02:09:07,560a representative, because thisis no proof, then that we'll be206802:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,770happy to take that out. And bythe way, we're never going to206902:09:10,770 --> 02:09:11,610let you back in.207002:09:12,900 --> 02:09:14,160Once it's out, its out. Yeah.207102:09:14,910 --> 02:09:18,510There's no, there's no, there'sno second chances here. Yeah, I207202:09:18,510 --> 02:09:22,020mean, just looking at this show.It is it is it is from a207302:09:22,020 --> 02:09:25,620mainstream is from a mainstreamoutfit, but just looking at the207402:09:25,620 --> 02:09:28,710show. I can't I can't imaginemore than five people listen to207502:09:28,710 --> 02:09:32,010this thing. Anyway. So surely,it's not that big of a loss.207602:09:32,040 --> 02:09:37,200Gentlemen, we are at two hoursin nine minutes. I think we207702:09:37,200 --> 02:09:38,190should wind it down.207802:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,600Well, it's been a greatpleasure. Thank you. Thank you207902:09:42,600 --> 02:09:42,990so much.208002:09:43,020 --> 02:09:45,630I don't want to be the partypooper here, but I'm just I'm208102:09:45,630 --> 02:09:46,200just saying.208202:09:47,340 --> 02:09:49,590I gotta eat some supper andJames got to eat brunch.208302:09:49,800 --> 02:09:54,150It's costing nonstop for thelast five hours.208402:09:54,210 --> 02:09:59,100Yeah. And I love it. I can't getenough of it. I love podcasts.208502:09:59,520 --> 02:10:00,960That's why Fine. So208602:10:01,230 --> 02:10:04,830thank you for thank you both foreverything that you do. You've,208702:10:05,070 --> 02:10:08,760you know, the world, the worldis changing, I think away from a208802:10:08,760 --> 02:10:12,900proprietary system into opennessagain, and I think podcasting208902:10:12,900 --> 02:10:17,7302.0 is a big, big part of that.So, so thank you so much for209002:10:17,730 --> 02:10:22,470doing that. And great successnext year. Yeah, you too, James,209102:10:22,470 --> 02:10:23,430I appreciate it. And209202:10:24,210 --> 02:10:27,180I hope you'll don't change thejust one name change, right. No209302:10:27,180 --> 02:10:29,250more. No more name changes.You're good. You're sticking209402:10:29,250 --> 02:10:30,510with POD Newsweekly. For a while209502:10:31,050 --> 02:10:34,680now on no, my name changes. It'sthere. It's there until, yeah,209602:10:34,710 --> 02:10:37,650it's there. Until then, untilsomething bad, something bad209702:10:37,650 --> 02:10:39,630happens. Yes. But I'm sure thatthat won't happen.209802:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,930And thank you. Thank you, James.For all the reporting. You do209902:10:42,930 --> 02:10:47,010the one of the few who willconstantly report on on what210002:10:47,010 --> 02:10:49,200we're on what is happening atpodcasting to point it was210102:10:49,200 --> 02:10:52,860highly appreciated. But youknow, but you know, I showed210202:10:52,860 --> 02:10:55,500that I showed that appreciation,look at how many below how many210302:10:55,500 --> 02:10:56,850Satoshis I'm sending you.210402:10:57,090 --> 02:11:00,570I know it's actually that's myretirement fund. It's210502:11:01,890 --> 02:11:05,430exactly. And thank everybodyelse, all of the board members210602:11:05,910 --> 02:11:09,720who participate, of course, allthe developers, everybody who is210702:11:09,750 --> 02:11:13,350participating and that is frompeople just listening, hanging210802:11:13,350 --> 02:11:18,240on podcast index dot socialdevelopers podcasters. Y'all210902:11:18,240 --> 02:11:21,330know who you are. And of coursepeople who are supporting the211002:11:21,330 --> 02:11:23,580project. We really, reallyappreciate it and Dave, thank211102:11:23,580 --> 02:11:27,090you my brother. Thank you foryet another year. Lots of fun211202:11:27,300 --> 02:11:28,740and poverty. We love it.211302:11:28,800 --> 02:11:31,050Yes. Yes. Fun and poverty. HappyNew Year.211402:11:32,250 --> 02:11:36,660Alright, everybody, we will seeyou next year. That's right.211502:11:36,840 --> 02:11:39,270Which means one week from nowwe'll be back with another board211602:11:39,270 --> 02:11:42,480meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Havea Happy New Year be safe211702:11:42,480 --> 02:11:43,500everybody bye bye.211802:12:01,650 --> 02:12:06,210You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast211902:12:06,210 --> 02:12:10,020index.com For more information,boost boost