Episode 114: Protoflexible

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,510Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December23 2022, episode 114 Proto200:00:06,510 --> 00:00:12,720flexible. Oh, hello, everybodyonce again, it is time to unwrap300:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,530the real gift on your tree forChristmas. It's your board400:00:16,530 --> 00:00:19,260meeting of podcasting. 2.0everything happening in this500:00:19,260 --> 00:00:24,810past weekend podcast index.org,the namespace pod being I mean,600:00:24,870 --> 00:00:28,110there's too much to mentionbecause we are the news when it700:00:28,110 --> 00:00:31,170comes to podcasting. Of courseeverything happening at podcast800:00:31,170 --> 00:00:34,020index dot social. I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas900:00:34,020 --> 00:00:36,750Hill Country and in Alabama,where the wind chill was at1000:00:36,750 --> 00:00:39,660minus three degrees Fahrenheit.Say hello to my friend on the1100:00:39,660 --> 00:00:42,750other end. Ladies and gentlemen,Mr. Dave Jones.1200:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,560Oh is surviving the SiberianExpress.1300:00:47,580 --> 00:00:51,330Yeah, so it's colder now whereyou are I think I think that the1400:00:51,330 --> 00:00:55,320storm moves a little bit awayfrom us and towards you. Think1500:00:55,350 --> 00:00:55,800let me1600:00:56,010 --> 00:00:57,360let me investigate man.1700:00:57,390 --> 00:01:00,300Wait, man, I think no, I mayhave been a mid 18. Oh, I think1800:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,900we have. Let me see what I haveright now. Do I have 21 degrees?1900:01:03,930 --> 00:01:04,530Let me say2000:01:05,100 --> 00:01:06,090no. It's balmy,2100:01:06,870 --> 00:01:09,870balmy 21 in downtownFredericksburg everywhere.2200:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,410Yeah, it was 10 When I woke upthis morning 102300:01:13,410 --> 00:01:17,160degrees. I know it was crazy.Very very, very, very cool. And2400:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,410of course our central RH back isnot working properly.2500:01:23,130 --> 00:01:27,420Oh, of course. I mean, this Youdeserve this is the Tijuana2600:01:27,420 --> 00:01:33,570Tempest the Texas to Texas Yeah,y'all originate all this now. I2700:01:33,570 --> 00:01:36,690was needing aurka I need anERCOT update. How's the grid,2800:01:37,050 --> 00:01:41,970the grid is holding a fight lastnight. We had four I'll have to2900:01:41,970 --> 00:01:45,000call them glitches because theywere really like out and then it3000:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840was I mean, the the generatorsdidn't kick in until 30 seconds3100:01:48,900 --> 00:01:52,320for this very reason. Because,you know, it may come back on3200:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,710within 30 seconds. So you wentout, come back on and of course3300:01:55,710 --> 00:01:59,400my everything's going down.Memories, everything needs to be3400:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,580reset. Especially the Umbralnodes there one is really good3500:02:05,700 --> 00:02:07,920and comes back and everything'sgreat and the other one which3600:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,060runs on the surface laptop isnot so great. What are the power3700:02:12,060 --> 00:02:15,030outage even though is thesurface well always but it's a3800:02:15,060 --> 00:02:19,650boon to and the surface becauseit decided that when the power3900:02:19,650 --> 00:02:22,950goes off, it's on battery tosave battery it should switch4000:02:22,950 --> 00:02:25,260off Wi Fi now Whoever heard ofthat,4100:02:25,590 --> 00:02:28,410you know because because ifthere's anything in a computer4200:02:28,410 --> 00:02:33,240that uses so tons of energy it'sgot to be Wi Fi I mean that4300:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,170thing or that thing it'll maketoast for you it's so much power4400:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,710so I'm4500:02:37,710 --> 00:02:40,290like what is this I finallyfigured that out this morning4600:02:40,290 --> 00:02:43,320after the note had been off likehas happened again I guess to to4700:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,680this morning something went offbut never long enough to to4800:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,800actually kick in the generatorwhich selfishly I kind of want4900:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,490to see happen5000:02:54,060 --> 00:02:57,300if you don't mind you've gotyour it's like you get your you5100:02:57,300 --> 00:03:00,420got your bunker and you need touse the you need to use5200:03:00,420 --> 00:03:04,680nothing Yeah, I got a bunker andno atomic fallout in this isn't5300:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,690bad can have this5400:03:08,010 --> 00:03:11,430debit there's real trauma inTexas from what happened last5500:03:11,430 --> 00:03:13,170year I mean, but but people arescared what was5600:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,040about it was two years ago twoyears ago two years ago well I5700:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,250had trauma that's why when wemoved here right away I'm like5800:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,200okay, I'm not going through thatagain. And and we got we got as5900:03:25,260 --> 00:03:28,470I was talking to Borik about hesaid no this is this is how it's6000:03:28,470 --> 00:03:30,600supposed to work you get thegenerator and then your power6100:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,950never fails ever again.6200:03:32,010 --> 00:03:38,670This big middle finger from theuniverse. But what I did I sent6300:03:38,670 --> 00:03:40,110you a picture did you get thissignal?6400:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,740Oh, is it woof? Is that the iceon the outside of your window?6500:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,420That is on the inside?6600:03:50,130 --> 00:03:52,920It looks like you live in a inthe dungeon of a church is that6700:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,340possible?6800:03:54,269 --> 00:03:58,319Yeah. Our house was built in1892 So you can imagine the6900:03:58,319 --> 00:03:59,909level of insulation that's inthis house7000:03:59,940 --> 00:04:02,070Oh my goodness. Can I put thatin the show notes that's7100:04:02,070 --> 00:04:02,670hilarious.7200:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,870Well so that the the we have wehave a propane or natural gas7300:04:10,980 --> 00:04:16,230heater in in our living roomarea and the something about you7400:04:16,230 --> 00:04:19,680know I'm no I'm no chemist herebut something about the7500:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,590combustion of natural gasproduces as a byproduct to7600:04:25,590 --> 00:04:30,570moisture like water vapor. Sureit's humidity and so it parks7700:04:30,630 --> 00:04:32,970this thing pumps out humiditywhich is actually kind of nice7800:04:32,970 --> 00:04:37,440because you know forced air gasfurnaces are notoriously dry the7900:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,430air out Yes, yes indeed evenSantas prompt. So this thing is8000:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,540it's humidifying the air as weas it warms us, but the side8100:04:45,540 --> 00:04:49,170effect is it condensates on thewindow on our single pane8200:04:49,170 --> 00:04:51,660windows dos Indane raises8300:04:53,430 --> 00:04:56,250hey could you please Couldsomebody please boost for Dave's8400:04:56,250 --> 00:04:58,830windows we need to get himdouble pane at least this is8500:04:58,830 --> 00:04:59,100this is8600:04:59,100 --> 00:05:02,460bad with that So that gas orthat juice in there, the argon8700:05:02,460 --> 00:05:03,120or whatever it is,8800:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,780oh, goodness, well, we've gotlots of people pre boosting.8900:05:06,780 --> 00:05:09,540Very happy to hear those comingin. Hello, everybody. Welcome to9000:05:09,540 --> 00:05:13,320the board meeting, the Boardmeeting where we talk about9100:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,340everything boring board boardboarded, where we bore you.9200:05:17,370 --> 00:05:21,390Here's what I've been noticingend of year. And next, next9300:05:21,390 --> 00:05:24,960Friday, we have the final boardmeeting for the end of the year.9400:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,950Right. And it was James joiningus for that.9500:05:29,430 --> 00:05:31,530He is he will he will be joiningus.9600:05:31,590 --> 00:05:37,500Good. cuz I'll get him ready.We'll Yes, he will. And that's a9700:05:37,500 --> 00:05:44,490good thing. Another thing is,and that's, that's, that's the9800:05:44,490 --> 00:05:47,190thing. That's a good thing.Well, the reason why I'm9900:05:47,190 --> 00:05:51,690interested is I have noticed atthis end of year, which is very10000:05:51,690 --> 00:05:56,250odd, on some top top namepodcast that I happen to listen10100:05:56,250 --> 00:06:01,050to. Victor Davis Hanson, whichis actually Tina, listen to10200:06:01,050 --> 00:06:05,640that. So I listened through byby approximation by being around10300:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,500her Megyn Kelly, which I dolisten to from time to time. And10400:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,320pivot, my hate Listen, all threeof them.10500:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,480What a trifecta right?10600:06:15,780 --> 00:06:19,890Now pivot without a doubt is avery popular podcast. There's no10700:06:19,890 --> 00:06:24,210denying that and Kara Swisherand Scott Galloway they've been10800:06:24,210 --> 00:06:27,540promoting the their show andlots of people talk about it.10900:06:27,540 --> 00:06:29,610Look, I listened to it, I hatelisten to it, but listen to it.11000:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,420They were taking ad breaks thatwere empty, all three of these11100:06:33,420 --> 00:06:38,190shows. They would literally goaway. We'll be right back after11200:06:38,190 --> 00:06:42,000these ads. And you hear blue,blue, blue, blue, and then blue,11300:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,010blue, blue, blue, then they comeback. And then the show11400:06:44,010 --> 00:06:48,450continued. They are not there'sno nothing to fill the inventory11500:06:48,480 --> 00:06:54,540on three arguably two top showsnear the end of the year. What11600:06:54,540 --> 00:06:55,590is going on?11700:06:58,410 --> 00:07:05,280On the on the mastodons. Eve EVOpiped in with the thing that11800:07:05,310 --> 00:07:09,300typically I typically hear thisis almost always the response11900:07:10,020 --> 00:07:12,810when when this is brought upthat there was empty ad slots.12000:07:13,920 --> 00:07:20,130That that, you know, you it'sprobably you because the ad12100:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,800targeting programmatic engine istargeting whoever you are, by12200:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,570whatever means they target you.And they ran in in you have run12300:07:30,570 --> 00:07:35,100out of impressions. So like, youknow, they've already they've12400:07:35,100 --> 00:07:40,590determined by some way thatthey've already targeted you X12500:07:40,590 --> 00:07:45,150number of times and now you'renot gonna get any more ads. I12600:07:45,150 --> 00:07:46,440don't believe I find12700:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,080that very hard to believe thatUnpivot are read by the hosts so12800:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,650they are inserted later. It'sdynamically inserted. But But12900:07:55,650 --> 00:08:00,720Kara does and these are topthese are top name sponsors. I13000:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,620mean, it's not automotive quiteyet but it's recognizable brands13100:08:04,620 --> 00:08:08,220and they both read them. Andthey're I don't I find that very13200:08:08,220 --> 00:08:11,640hard to believe in. I found itvery hard to believe too, until13300:08:11,640 --> 00:08:18,600I read the variety interviewwith Spotify exec Dawn Ostroff13400:08:19,590 --> 00:08:23,880have heard this name. And she isshe comes from Hollywood. What13500:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,790is she? What is her? What is hertitle again? Spotify is Chief13600:08:29,790 --> 00:08:32,730Content and advertising businessofficer.13700:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,670Can I be that can it be that youare you are13800:08:35,670 --> 00:08:40,830right now the the completely incharge of our content and13900:08:40,860 --> 00:08:44,100business advertising.Congratulations. You can put14000:08:44,100 --> 00:08:44,550that on your14100:08:44,550 --> 00:08:48,240card. Dan Benjamin texted methis morning and said hey, your14200:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,070mark your art like logo stuff inthis GitHub. This sucks. You14300:08:53,070 --> 00:08:56,550know what? I was like? He'slike, you don't have transparent14400:08:56,550 --> 00:08:59,700black backgrounds on yourthere's no press kit. I was like14500:08:59,700 --> 00:09:06,150Dan press kid. You've discoveredthat the widely known secret14600:09:06,150 --> 00:09:08,760that we're terrible at marketingor any of this. This is not14700:09:08,790 --> 00:09:09,780news. But up14800:09:09,780 --> 00:09:13,170stepping up. Dan Craig, get apress kit together for us,14900:09:13,170 --> 00:09:19,440please. Yeah, yeah. So until Igot to this part. In the in this15000:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,450interview, this is where it allcame together. For me. Still,15100:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,110Spotify so far hasn't seen afinancial payback on the podcast15200:09:28,110 --> 00:09:32,850play. Oh, in 2021. The company'spodcast business generated15300:09:32,850 --> 00:09:38,520nearly 200 million euros inrevenue up 300% year over year.15400:09:39,030 --> 00:09:43,560But unfortunately, the CFO PaulVogel said the at the investor15500:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,290day presentation in June thatthe podcast segment had a15600:09:46,290 --> 00:09:54,450negative gross margin of 57 tominus 57%. losses. Losses weight15700:09:54,450 --> 00:09:59,970loss is projected to be evenhigher in 2022. Now Spotify15800:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,050believes that Podcasts canachieve potential gross margins15900:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,320of 40 to 50% within the nextfive years, which is 15% higher16000:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,070than their gross market margintarget for for music, and here16100:10:14,070 --> 00:10:18,480it is. Ostroff withoutcommenting on specific podcast16200:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,270financials, which they justdon't do. It's so embarrassing,16300:10:21,300 --> 00:10:25,110apparently. Obviously, quote,obviously podcasting for us is16400:10:25,110 --> 00:10:29,460still a new business. It's stillan investment business. What is16500:10:29,460 --> 00:10:33,240a billion dollar business? Howcan it still be an investment16600:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,800business unless someone's fullof shit? Let's continue and16700:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,430looking to bulk up its adrevenue. Spotify continues to16800:10:41,430 --> 00:10:44,220pitch Madison Avenue on theunique attributes of its16900:10:44,220 --> 00:10:48,780listening platform, includingits streaming ad insertion si as17000:10:48,780 --> 00:10:52,920AI technology. When Spotifyfirst entered podcasting,17100:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400marketers had not embraced it asa general advertising medium. Is17200:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,120that true? I thought we alreadyhad at least half a billion. The17300:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,240company released Ostroff saidthe company recently17400:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,440commissioned a study from neuromarketing firm neuro insight for17500:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,530what Spotify said is the largestaudio study of its kind,17600:11:10,740 --> 00:11:11,700according to their new17700:11:11,730 --> 00:11:15,870insights sounds like a CA. VC17800:11:16,050 --> 00:11:22,260MK ultra thin. In Q telsponsored neuro insight study17900:11:22,260 --> 00:11:25,980which tracks you which track thebrain activity of users to18000:11:25,980 --> 00:11:30,420measure engagement it's so badat Spotify with advertising they18100:11:30,420 --> 00:11:34,290have to resort to some bullshitcompany which tracks brain18200:11:34,290 --> 00:11:37,020activity. No, no no no.18300:11:37,410 --> 00:11:38,670It's how brain waves18400:11:39,270 --> 00:11:43,200how many people heard the adthat's how advertising works.18500:11:43,770 --> 00:11:47,430We know we have to we know wecan't downloads are not in a18600:11:47,430 --> 00:11:51,210good metric. No, we need brainwaves alpha waves in the brain.18700:11:51,390 --> 00:11:55,260Like that's that's the nextthing you plug into USB C to18800:11:55,260 --> 00:11:56,130your dad's18900:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,700John's. German to Hillman. Oh,John Spurlock get ready. We're19000:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,600expanding. Oh, p3 with brainwaveactivity. Get on Yeah,19100:12:03,660 --> 00:12:05,730you're not going to be drivingit'd be self driving cars, you19200:12:05,730 --> 00:12:08,610just stick the Hillman on andyou get targeted ads.19300:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,650Meanwhile, Ostroff sees a quotehuge opportunity to increase19400:12:13,650 --> 00:12:17,280engagement with podcast throughthrough what could the solution19500:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400be it's always the same it'salways the same I went through19600:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,550the same thing when when podcastwhen advertising was not working19700:12:23,550 --> 00:12:26,880at pod show because it doesn'twork. What What was the19800:12:26,880 --> 00:12:33,870solution? Video versions of theshows video yes, yes. Alex19900:12:33,870 --> 00:12:39,300Cooper, of course have calledher daddy wants to do more video20000:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,170Barstool Sports more videosguests, including Hailey Bieber20100:12:43,170 --> 00:12:45,570and Julia Fox recording Oh,Stauffer shows with video have20200:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840delivered twice the audiencecompared to those that are audio20300:12:48,840 --> 00:12:55,680only. I'm sorry. This articletells me that that advertising20400:12:55,680 --> 00:13:01,380in podcasting is no market. AndI learned and I'd like anyone to20500:13:01,380 --> 00:13:05,490step forward and give me somereal numbers. What give me some20600:13:05,490 --> 00:13:09,900real numbers, not the Spotifysaying sorry. Yeah, we did 20020700:13:09,900 --> 00:13:14,400million euro. But you know,unfortunately, we lost. We lost20800:13:14,400 --> 00:13:20,460350 basically. So where is it?Where's this billion dollars?20900:13:20,460 --> 00:13:23,100I'm just I'm just gonna keephammering on this until someone21000:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,310comes clean. And that's why Ican't wait for James next week.21100:13:27,390 --> 00:13:32,820That dance answer for yourindustry. This is The Billion21200:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,180Dollar like if you look at theMagellan thing that comes out21300:13:36,180 --> 00:13:40,980every month which month which Ido so that you don't have to21400:13:41,700 --> 00:13:47,250look at this crap in it every Inever can add up more than about21500:13:47,250 --> 00:13:52,35025 million in ad spend adspending Exactly. Across the top21600:13:52,350 --> 00:13:55,590and once you get below that toplevel, I mean it drops off like21700:13:55,590 --> 00:14:00,180a rock so the number 25advertisers probably I mean that21800:14:00,180 --> 00:14:02,100you're that's low numbers.21900:14:02,310 --> 00:14:06,780So meanwhile, podcast bowelmovement announced their first22000:14:06,780 --> 00:14:10,950round of speakers for podcastbowel movement, evolution this22100:14:10,950 --> 00:14:13,530podcast belma did I say that?I'm sorry, that must have been22200:14:13,530 --> 00:14:14,370something subliminal.22300:14:15,990 --> 00:14:19,320The hero is neuro andintelligence or whatever the way22400:14:19,320 --> 00:14:19,890All right, what was it22500:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,670we have to find a logical inEuro insights? Let me just see.22600:14:23,700 --> 00:14:30,930Is it your neurological and nowI have to find it when I was22700:14:31,590 --> 00:14:35,340in sippy Incipio insipid dose ofneuro22800:14:35,340 --> 00:14:38,760insight. Yes. Neuro Insight's.Yes, that's a potential title.22900:14:39,510 --> 00:14:46,230Neuro has because we, because weall know how trustworthy fMRI23000:14:46,230 --> 00:14:51,030is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.23100:14:51,060 --> 00:14:56,160So meanwhile, at the PodcastMovement, evolution speakers23200:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,920have been announced. Let's see.Amy Wilson. And Margaret April's23300:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,310is that her full name Amy WilsonMargaret April's of adolescent23400:15:05,310 --> 00:15:09,420media presents sell ads. Okay,so there's an ad person letter23500:15:09,420 --> 00:15:16,560named Angie Griffith. Let's see.Make a podcast that sells Okay.23600:15:16,770 --> 00:15:20,640Cameron Hendrix and John goforth a Magellan AI present23700:15:20,640 --> 00:15:26,520podcast advertising. Danielledoes designare Corbett how to23800:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,880stand out to potential sponsorsand secure more lucrative brand23900:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,920deals Dierdre chin of capturethe three tactics high income24000:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,070podcasters attribute to theirshows how you can use them to24100:15:38,130 --> 00:15:44,280how you can make more money withads. I mean, seriously, when24200:15:44,310 --> 00:15:48,660when we just give it up people,it's all ads. And I just I'm24300:15:48,660 --> 00:15:49,470just not seeing it24400:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,800is exactly what you said. It'sall pretty people selling24500:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,880things. And then there's likethis underbelly of just regular24600:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,450old podcast hosting companies,meeting people and selling24700:16:00,810 --> 00:16:01,920podcast subscriptions.24800:16:02,310 --> 00:16:04,950And and so what was interestingI don't know if I don't know if24900:16:04,950 --> 00:16:09,480you saw this but we were orvalue for value was mentioned in25000:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,550a Bitcoin magazine article.25100:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,060I have a copy of Yes, righthere.25200:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,550Oh, you have the actual Bitcoinmagazine?25300:16:18,210 --> 00:16:21,360No, no, I have a printed outCopy, print things.25400:16:21,420 --> 00:16:26,550And this was lightning. paywallsversus value for value asks,25500:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,110where lightning powered micro 10transaction paywall beats a25600:16:31,110 --> 00:16:37,020value for value Bitcoin asked anuanced breakdown. Now nowhere25700:16:37,020 --> 00:16:39,930in the article did I see wherelightning powered micro25800:16:39,930 --> 00:16:43,560transaction paywall actuallybeat value for value because I25900:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,960don't think it exists.26000:16:46,829 --> 00:16:49,409Looking for the print where wasthe exhibit a I didn't see that26100:16:49,409 --> 00:16:50,099anywhere in here.26200:16:50,250 --> 00:16:57,900But but the the author who iswill shul cop show cop makes a26300:16:57,900 --> 00:17:03,840good point. Let me see what ishe doesn't say what he does.26400:17:03,870 --> 00:17:07,380It's a guest post anyway. Sowe'll he says, hey, you know26500:17:07,380 --> 00:17:11,820what, the thing that thatdoesn't work for everybody with26600:17:11,820 --> 00:17:14,880value for value is the ask,acknowledge, repeat, which is26700:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,000exactly what you need. You needan ask now. He's, uh, he said,26800:17:18,030 --> 00:17:21,750I'm an author, I want people topay for each page. And I'm26900:17:21,750 --> 00:17:26,610thinking, you know, if he says,there's no you can ask for, you27000:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,550can ask for a donation ifsomeone's reading page by page,27100:17:29,670 --> 00:17:32,460but how you can't acknowledgethem. This is static content,27200:17:32,490 --> 00:17:36,540etc, etc, etc. And I just wantedto point out, the fallacy of27300:17:36,540 --> 00:17:41,880this article, is the authorthinking that the apps you use27400:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,680today for reading a book areappropriate for value for value,27500:17:46,710 --> 00:17:51,360they're not an excellent exampleof value for value was an27600:17:51,390 --> 00:17:54,720acknowledgement that does notrequire a new episode, or a new27700:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,130book or a new magazine to becreated, is a leaderboard, or27800:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,220what's very effective iscrowdfunding. What is great27900:18:02,220 --> 00:18:05,610about crowdfunding, you get toput a comment in Hey, everybody,28000:18:05,610 --> 00:18:09,420I love you. Here's my $100. Thatis the same. And then people can28100:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,870comment, hey, that's a greatdonation, leaderboards,28200:18:12,870 --> 00:18:18,360comments, Tally coin, enablesthat these are all things that28300:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,290can work in the Ask acknowledgedrepeat model. And all I know is28400:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,680I just looked at our value forvalue. And maybe it's because28500:18:25,680 --> 00:18:32,580it's year end, but I see 555,555sets from Dred Scott. Twice. I28600:18:32,580 --> 00:18:38,640say another 333,333 from DredScott all in the last hour. I28700:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,460see one and a half million SATsfrom Arrow statica. I see28800:18:44,460 --> 00:18:50,040777,000. I mean, it's it'sinsane. The amount of SATs we're28900:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,390getting for an ask and recognizeand a repeat and acknowledgement29000:18:54,390 --> 00:18:58,680and repeat. So I don't know. Idon't know what everyone's29100:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,220doing. And I appreciate that thethat people are at least29200:19:02,220 --> 00:19:07,200thinking about value for value.But man, they really are light29300:19:07,230 --> 00:19:09,990on going unreal. I mean, I thinkthere's so many preconceived29400:19:09,990 --> 00:19:13,440notions, then people justhaven't really tried it29500:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,160properly.29600:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,380As it I just have a fundamentaldisagreement that there's a29700:19:19,410 --> 00:19:23,610there's a difference betweenwhat what we conceive of a29800:19:23,610 --> 00:19:29,640paywall, and like, and maybethere's maybe that's not the29900:19:29,730 --> 00:19:32,940right way to describe it. WhatI'm trying to get at is, I have30000:19:32,940 --> 00:19:38,610a recent experience with with asubscription. I don't love I've30100:19:38,610 --> 00:19:47,880subscribed to the Peter Ateapodcast and the reason so this30200:19:48,030 --> 00:19:54,630he he does it very well andit's, it's basically it's is30300:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,110most of the way there to vie forV with but it's missing one is30400:19:58,110 --> 00:20:01,830missing two critical pieces, butit's It's most it's most of the30500:20:01,830 --> 00:20:04,320way there it's V four vinspired.30600:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,160V four v adjacent. is V30700:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,980four v adjacent. Yes. So, thatdidn't mean all of his main30800:20:13,980 --> 00:20:21,090episodes are free. With, withsome, not ads, it's just more30900:20:21,090 --> 00:20:26,550like a bunch of asking for foryou to subscribe so all that31000:20:26,550 --> 00:20:28,740stuff's gone in the end. Butthen there's these other31100:20:28,740 --> 00:20:33,990episodes that you get in thefeed, where it's like, it's like31200:20:33,990 --> 00:20:36,600an Ask me anything, it's like anAMA, it's like a, I think it's31300:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,230like a every two weeks orsomething like that. The AMA is31400:20:40,230 --> 00:20:43,560you don't get unless yousubscribe. And but they but they31500:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,530still drop the A, they droppedthe first like five minutes of31600:20:46,530 --> 00:20:49,980the AMA just give you a littlepreview into the feed. And so31700:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,780you're getting you get a fullunderstanding, you know, by the31800:20:54,780 --> 00:20:57,600time that you hit the subscribebutton, you know what you're31900:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,910going to get once you get behindthe paywall. I don't. So what32000:21:02,910 --> 00:21:06,240I'm trying to say is it's it's,it's V for V adjacent, because32100:21:06,990 --> 00:21:10,620you're getting the content,you're getting a full experience32200:21:10,620 --> 00:21:16,590of what that content is going tobe. It's just not, although it32300:21:16,590 --> 00:21:20,370hasn't gone the extra step tosay, here is all of it and you32400:21:20,370 --> 00:21:22,650can give me whatever you want.Because he's still he's limiting32500:21:22,650 --> 00:21:27,840himself to like 19 bucks a monthor whatever. But the spirit of32600:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,640what is is there is the only waythis works. The end, that's32700:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,820what's missing, I think in a lotof the these sort of constructs32800:21:35,820 --> 00:21:39,270is like okay, V for V versus paywall. It's like the idea that32900:21:39,270 --> 00:21:42,300you when you say that the ideathat you conjure up in your head33000:21:42,300 --> 00:21:46,380is okay, here's the here's thefor V on one side where all the33100:21:46,380 --> 00:21:48,600content is free, there's norestrictions, there's no ads,33200:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,580and then you just give me adonation. And then at verses,33300:21:54,270 --> 00:21:57,570you can't even read it or see itor hear it or anything until33400:21:57,570 --> 00:22:00,870after the fact you've alreadypaid for it. And I don't think33500:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,920like that. And I think that's asort of a false, like a phony33600:22:05,550 --> 00:22:10,980mental model, because, well, Ithink what we're seeing is the33700:22:10,980 --> 00:22:16,500subscription model paywall modelis moving more towards V for V33800:22:16,500 --> 00:22:21,060than PE, maybe people realizebecause that hard limit of you33900:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,290can't even you cannot even sniffmy content until you pay me up34000:22:25,290 --> 00:22:30,420front. That that's a tough one.That's a hard sell.34100:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,740Well, he's the author. He's andby the way, I want to make sure34200:22:34,740 --> 00:22:37,500that he said very clearly my aimis not to attack anyone34300:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,340personally, I'm using quotes,but my intent is to respectfully34400:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,130challenge ideas. So we're notattacking him either. But what34500:22:44,130 --> 00:22:48,360he says is as a content creator,in my case, a writer, this34600:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,410problem with the internet hitshome. And he's talking about GGS34700:22:52,410 --> 00:22:55,200article, the freedom of valuewhere he says, the problem with34800:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,230the internet is that informationwants to be free. And this is of34900:22:58,230 --> 00:23:01,740course, completely true. If youwrite something dynamite, it35000:23:01,740 --> 00:23:07,050will be copied and stolen. Idon't steal content, I pay for35100:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,440content as much as I can. But ifI go to Bloomberg, and I'll see35200:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,860your story, and it's andBloomberg is super paywalled.35300:23:13,860 --> 00:23:18,030For me, I will search with thetitle of that story and I will35400:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,300find an outfit that isapparently licensed the35500:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,120Bloomberg article so I can readit there and I'll read it for35600:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,110whatever basically from nothingbut I'm not stealing it. Right35700:23:28,140 --> 00:23:31,110but information wants to befree. If it's really good. It'll35800:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,520get copied and passed around seetorrents see you know, whatever35900:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,030you look at search for movies onpodcasts index, if we haven't36000:23:39,030 --> 00:23:42,270started, we haven't cleaned itup today you can find so as a36100:23:42,270 --> 00:23:45,330content creator, He says in mycase, a writer the problem with36200:23:45,330 --> 00:23:48,630the internet hits home, it's alot of work to write good36300:23:48,630 --> 00:23:53,340content subjective, subjective,and I don't work for free. I36400:23:53,340 --> 00:23:58,140look to be compensated for myproof of work. As the Joker says36500:23:58,140 --> 00:24:00,660if you're good at something,never do it for free.36600:24:01,620 --> 00:24:04,380So whoever said any whoever saidV for V was worrying we don't36700:24:04,380 --> 00:24:05,100work for free36800:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,410give it this is so Exactly. Hefeels that if he is not charging36900:24:10,410 --> 00:24:17,040something for it, it is free.And what we say is no. Ask37000:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,580people what it's really worth tothem. People who find it37100:24:20,580 --> 00:24:25,260worthless are not going to payanyway. They're not they're not37200:24:25,260 --> 00:24:28,500going to pay for it. The peoplewho freeload, they're37300:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,800freeloaders and all you can dois keep asking and shaming them37400:24:31,980 --> 00:24:36,420which is interestingly in ourbusiness, it will add value for37500:24:36,420 --> 00:24:40,740value where I started with withno agenda. The people who were37600:24:40,740 --> 00:24:44,310paying for it or found value init and return value started37700:24:44,310 --> 00:24:49,110calling out the peoplethemselves. I did not make up37800:24:49,110 --> 00:24:52,650the douchebag thing. This isthis is something that that37900:24:52,650 --> 00:24:55,680people themselves made up aboutother people who they felt were38000:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,120not pulling their weight on onthe Wii for Wii donations. So As38100:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,170many ways that that happened,but the 4% that do donate of38200:25:04,170 --> 00:25:08,490every single project, I wouldhave to say, you probably38300:25:08,490 --> 00:25:15,000wouldn't get 4% Buying yourgreat content, either of all the38400:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,690people who come across it, itmay even be less may even be 1%.38500:25:18,900 --> 00:25:25,890And then that 1% is funneledinto one price, I believe that38600:25:25,890 --> 00:25:28,500you will always make less doingit that way.38700:25:29,490 --> 00:25:34,350That that's that's the way that.So that's the erroneous belief38800:25:34,710 --> 00:25:40,980that if you put a price onsomething, it keeps people, it38900:25:40,980 --> 00:25:47,070keeps people from getting it forfree. Or if you put, if you put39000:25:47,070 --> 00:25:51,990a price on it, it keeps it makesit to where everybody has to39100:25:51,990 --> 00:25:55,950pay. But all you're doing isyou're just low, you're your39200:25:55,950 --> 00:25:59,010art, you're artificiallylimiting, who can see your39300:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,760content to people who would havenever paid you anyway. Because39400:26:02,790 --> 00:26:07,050like, if somebody passes by, if,if you put it in physical goods39500:26:07,050 --> 00:26:10,800terms, if you set up a booth,and you have you have t shirts,39600:26:11,070 --> 00:26:15,270and you mark them at $15 ashirt, you're gonna have a39700:26:15,270 --> 00:26:18,180certain percentage of peoplethat buy it, if you put it put,39800:26:18,180 --> 00:26:21,090if you move it up to 25, you'regonna have a smaller percentage,39900:26:21,210 --> 00:26:25,020or some other differentpercentage that buys it as the40000:26:25,020 --> 00:26:34,650price if the price does not getyou. Like, it's it's a, it's no,40100:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,550it's not a different mechanism.If I listen to your stuff, and40200:26:38,580 --> 00:26:43,110and then pay you after the fact,pay for it before the fact you40300:26:43,110 --> 00:26:47,130didn't get a bigger or largeraudience because of that. You40400:26:47,130 --> 00:26:50,520just got a different amount ofmoney because of that, right?40500:26:50,580 --> 00:26:53,520whatever that happens to be.That's, that's in the realm of40600:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,930psychology of market psychology,I don't know, and neither40700:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,980neither do they. If you put Imean, if if, if I put five bucks40800:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,490on it, you may just say, Well,I've just dropped my40900:27:05,490 --> 00:27:12,240listenership by 78%. But youstill haven't increased the41000:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,120amount of people who would havepaid you anyway? Correct. You're41100:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,190not really not improvinganything is what I'm trying to41200:27:17,190 --> 00:27:17,790say. Correct.41300:27:17,820 --> 00:27:21,360And when I reading through thisarticle, they talk about the41400:27:21,390 --> 00:27:29,520empty X problem, which is themental transaction paradox. The41500:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,780most? Well, it's like, do so aslike, Okay, I'm being asked to41600:27:33,780 --> 00:27:36,780pay for this. How much is it? Isit worth it for me? Do I want to41700:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,760pay for this? The friction, it'sfriction. Exactly. And the41800:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,370article says, Well, this, youhave this friction either way.41900:27:44,370 --> 00:27:46,560It's just you're you're you'repaying it at a different point.42000:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,000And I say no, I say no, it'snot. It's just it's entirely42100:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,350different. You're saying what?Hey, was that did you like it?42200:27:55,830 --> 00:28:00,570Yeah. Okay, what was it worth toyou? Do you want more? It's that42300:28:00,570 --> 00:28:01,230simple.42400:28:01,650 --> 00:28:04,920As we move the boot up, theboost button is right there in42500:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,640the app?42600:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,670Well, of course, you could haveand you know, what we're about,42700:28:08,700 --> 00:28:15,210we're about to get a real worldchallenge, as I believe now,42800:28:15,210 --> 00:28:21,600I've seen it happen on GitHub.It looks like Al Albie is42900:28:21,630 --> 00:28:24,720setting up LSAT, which issomething that you and I looked43000:28:24,720 --> 00:28:31,830at three years ago to do justthis. And to add a second43100:28:32,700 --> 00:28:38,400payment option for well, it willbe for podcasts, I believe, and43200:28:38,820 --> 00:28:44,760Brees is implementing this. AndI think it'd be very interesting43300:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,270to see43400:28:45,929 --> 00:28:48,629if this is going to be for likerecurring subscriptions or43500:28:48,629 --> 00:28:49,019something.43600:28:49,620 --> 00:28:53,790Do you want to listen to hispodcast? You have to pay? Yeah,43700:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,930pay pay? Listen.43800:28:55,530 --> 00:28:58,230Yeah, well, that's gonna be in.If that's going to be an A B43900:28:58,230 --> 00:29:04,020test. We'll see. We'll see. Wewill see whether or not podcasts44000:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,460that put themselves behind a payfor play versus play for pay.44100:29:08,940 --> 00:29:12,360We'll see what the results are.And I don't think though, I44200:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,500think I think for big shows, ifyou if you get to a certain if44300:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,600you get to a certain level, andI'm not going to I'm not going44400:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840to name what criteria that wouldbe like like whether it's44500:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,880audience size or audience, youknow, commitment or, or niche44600:29:27,870 --> 00:29:30,960level or something like that.There's some level that you get44700:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,050to where you could be considereda maybe a quote unquote, big44800:29:34,050 --> 00:29:41,220podcast. You have a lot ofmomentum there. At that level. I44900:29:41,220 --> 00:29:45,030don't know that there's going tobe a whole lot of difference45000:29:45,420 --> 00:29:48,720between the number of peoplewilling to pay, but there will45100:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,410be in my I predict there will bea lot of difference in how much45200:29:52,410 --> 00:29:57,450money the Creator makes. The Vfor V will result in much more,45300:29:57,690 --> 00:30:02,640the high end Ceiling is muchhigher. Because you're not let45400:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,930you're on artificially limiting.I could not pay Peter Atea more45500:30:06,930 --> 00:30:08,880money he just said $19. Right.45600:30:09,210 --> 00:30:14,640Exactly. That's it go away withyour money. Yeah. Well, we'll45700:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,050see. Well, it all remains to beseen. But when I see dystopia,45800:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,650for instance, you know, I wantedto send some musician somewhere45900:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,870where they could get set upvalue for value. I couldn't I46000:30:24,870 --> 00:30:28,080couldn't with a with a with aclear conscience and then to46100:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,890dystopia, because when you hitdystopia, they're all about web46200:30:31,890 --> 00:30:36,450monetization and what is theirother? What is the other thing?46300:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,850I thought they had an ABIintegration,46400:30:39,540 --> 00:30:46,500but they may want this but whenyou go to their website here we46500:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,920go. Music podcasts, video, audiobooks, merch designed for46600:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,030dreamers powered by youraudience. Get started today.46700:30:54,060 --> 00:30:58,530Okay, so you go in one platform,and then it shows you all the46800:30:58,530 --> 00:31:01,530things you get the bandwidth,and it doesn't really tell me46900:31:01,530 --> 00:31:06,120how I'm going to make money.Let's see. So it already it's47000:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,810like, I don't really understandit. For creatives, here we go.47100:31:12,810 --> 00:31:18,150podcasters. No, I want music.Sorry. podcasters. We know. So47200:31:18,150 --> 00:31:23,580already, I'm kind of lost here.music artists, here we go.47300:31:24,420 --> 00:31:29,070Perfect for artists, musicians.Pay per play right there. We47400:31:29,070 --> 00:31:32,550will pay two pennies for everytrue play. No need to calculate47500:31:32,550 --> 00:31:35,970how many streams or album playswe pay when it's played? Period?47600:31:36,090 --> 00:31:37,410No, I'm done.47700:31:38,220 --> 00:31:42,720Yeah, that. Okay, so that was anepisode about this, because I47800:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,130discussed it with these guys asthey were building it. That that47900:31:47,130 --> 00:31:51,630was their original model thatwas meant to be sort of like the48000:31:51,630 --> 00:31:56,970Spotify, you know, David versusGoliath model. And their idea48100:31:56,970 --> 00:31:59,310was, you know, we're actuallygoing to we're actually going to48200:31:59,310 --> 00:32:04,470pay you real meaningful moneynot not pennies out, you know,48300:32:04,470 --> 00:32:07,830out the pipe six months fromnow. And so that was the48400:32:07,830 --> 00:32:11,220original model they've beenlayered on to my knowledge, I'm48500:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,720almost 100% Sure this iscorrect. They've layered on some48600:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,930Alby integration. Now, for V Vfor V. That's the best recent48700:32:21,930 --> 00:32:26,280that's been within the lastcouple of months. So I think48800:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,940what I think what you're seeingmay just be, I don't think48900:32:29,940 --> 00:32:31,590you're seeing the full scope ofwhat49000:32:31,620 --> 00:32:35,910oh, it's completely possible.But until it's there, I can't I49100:32:35,910 --> 00:32:38,520can't send an artist over hereand say, Oh, value for value49200:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,430over here. There's, there's no,there's no writing about it. So49300:32:41,430 --> 00:32:43,710that's just when they're readyfor it. They'll49400:32:43,710 --> 00:32:45,120be brisket impressed.49500:32:45,149 --> 00:32:47,969They need a press kit and sometransparent logos. I mean, come49600:32:47,969 --> 00:32:54,449on, together over there. I did.Someone did reach out to me that49700:32:54,449 --> 00:32:59,939I spoke to a long time ago. Andit was the Oh goodness, what was49800:32:59,939 --> 00:33:06,269it called, I think was the Dutchoutfit. And I met him at I met49900:33:06,269 --> 00:33:13,949this guy at I want to say Southby Southwest, maybe 10 or 1150000:33:13,949 --> 00:33:19,469years ago. And how does it gethis PhD? It's called What was50100:33:19,469 --> 00:33:23,189this thing called? It's someFree Music Archive. That's it.50200:33:23,999 --> 00:33:27,209The Free Music Archive and inthat brings a band in the 1050300:33:27,209 --> 00:33:33,089years since since we met thisthing has really grown up this50400:33:33,119 --> 00:33:38,489this Free Music Archive. And Iwas connected to him by Dave50500:33:38,489 --> 00:33:40,259from automatic.50600:33:42,180 --> 00:33:43,110Oh, okay,50700:33:43,170 --> 00:33:47,250who you know, we're still ontheir radar. Apparently.50800:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,390Music archive.org is the name ofthis.50900:33:51,540 --> 00:33:57,120Yeah. And so they have CreativeCommons licenses. And I haven't51000:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,810looked at it too much whatthey're doing these days, but it51100:34:00,810 --> 00:34:04,140makes total sense. This could bethis could be a great match.51200:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,890This is a great this this waspretty cool.51300:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840I should put it in the shownotes actually. Free Muse will51400:34:12,900 --> 00:34:13,800archive51500:34:14,310 --> 00:34:17,220that leads that leads to adiscussion I know we want to51600:34:17,220 --> 00:34:24,990have which is about the 100%Retro chat stream. Yes. This was51700:34:24,990 --> 00:34:31,410a this was a fun. This is a funproject. And it was I mean it's51800:34:31,410 --> 00:34:35,310a little cheese, you know, justkind of but it was nice to take51900:34:35,310 --> 00:34:36,660a break from sort of52000:34:36,660 --> 00:34:38,820from pod ping the lower end work52100:34:40,590 --> 00:34:46,470and do something easy PHP andjust all you know simple but you52200:34:46,470 --> 00:34:50,280know so what we have it's it'sopened it up it's not a52300:34:50,430 --> 00:34:53,160beautiful script or anything butit's just you know, it's it's a52400:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,550want52500:34:54,690 --> 00:34:59,040let's explain what this is. Sowe had so okay, there's a guy I52600:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,910know in Neville in Belgiumactually, I got in touch with52700:35:02,910 --> 00:35:06,240him a year ago. So a mutualfriend I know this guy because52800:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,960he's actually a booker ofartists across the Benelux. So52900:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,660he's, he's my age, you know andhe's been around for a long time53000:35:12,660 --> 00:35:17,730he's booked all the basicallyanything that is a 6070s or 80s53100:35:17,730 --> 00:35:22,290or even 90s band he will book atfestivals and do stuff and DJs53200:35:22,290 --> 00:35:25,080and whatever so that yeah, he'sa he's a promoter, basically a53300:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,280concert promoter Booker forclubs and big venues. And he's53400:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,360been a looks Benelux? Yes. Wellin Belgium, Netherlands53500:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,410Luxembourg, Ben.53600:35:35,010 --> 00:35:36,450Okay, like that Texarkana.53700:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,900But yes, yeah, the tri statearea trashy? Yeah, it's like New53800:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,810York, New Jersey, Connecticut.Idea, only much smaller. You53900:35:45,810 --> 00:35:49,530know, like half half the amountof people. So he was putting54000:35:49,530 --> 00:35:54,780together a radio station online.And at first it was called, was54100:35:54,780 --> 00:35:58,470it called something? It waslike, tomorrow land or something54200:35:58,470 --> 00:36:00,570like it? Well, that's great. No,that's dumb.54300:36:02,010 --> 00:36:03,540And Disney World, and54400:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,630I can't remember how it came up.And I don't make any money with54500:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,860this guy. I'm not a paidadvisor. I like him. I think54600:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,140it's interesting project. And Idon't want any work. I want to54700:36:13,140 --> 00:36:16,560not have to talk to him if Idon't feel like it is the54800:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,250easiest way and not working foryou. But if I can find something54900:36:20,250 --> 00:36:24,540that will work for both of us,I'll set it up. So he's55000:36:24,540 --> 00:36:28,290streaming this thing. He's got afull on schedule. He's got55100:36:28,290 --> 00:36:32,400people doing it. I don't thinkthey're live. One or two may55200:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,970actually be live like some someof the morning shows. But a lot55300:36:35,970 --> 00:36:38,580of it is tracked. And it's youknow, it rolls out automatically55400:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,670like most of the radio stationsyou listen to, but it does have55500:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,910a very specific music mix. Andhe has talent all across the55600:36:44,910 --> 00:36:47,670world to hit different timezones. And he has a whole55700:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,230concept of how that works andlistening to it. At my age. I55800:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,420enjoy it. And we were listeningto what we were talking about55900:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,150Mott the Hoople, all the youngdudes before we started the56000:36:57,150 --> 00:37:00,180show. So stuff like that, then,and somehow we came up with the56100:37:00,180 --> 00:37:04,890name 100%. Retro. And I say,well, let's put they they pay56200:37:04,890 --> 00:37:09,330their ASCAP, BMI, BMI stem,right, all of that stuff, they56300:37:09,330 --> 00:37:14,040pay for it. So it's all legit.And I said, Well, why don't we56400:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,540put this stuff into, into valuefor value with with the lit tag,56500:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,480and this was just when lit wasstarting to come together. And56600:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,930so I set it up. And then, youknow, when I showed him how I56700:37:24,930 --> 00:37:29,490was listening, and he saw in hisAlbea wallet, SATs come in, and56800:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,660I was like, What is this? Isaid, Yeah. And he said, Wait a56900:37:33,660 --> 00:37:37,080minute, so I can show this to myinvestors and say, you know, we57000:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,170have money coming in already. Soyeah, absolutely. Not a lot but57100:37:40,650 --> 00:37:45,420and so he loved it. And then youand I start brainstorming and57200:37:45,420 --> 00:37:49,530then you come up with a with agenerator that creates the feed57300:37:49,530 --> 00:37:52,050for them because I basicallystarted created the first feed57400:37:52,050 --> 00:37:59,280did it and sovereign feeds thattakes their their electronic57500:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,390programming grid there guide asto who's on at what time, and57600:38:03,420 --> 00:38:08,160you create a new feed with a newlit tag whenever a new show57700:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,740starts. And you're linking outto the art of the of the air57800:38:13,740 --> 00:38:17,670talent and little blurb and itworks. And so I get a57900:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,380notification, you know, maybeseven or eight a day, depending.58000:38:23,340 --> 00:38:25,260I'm waiting for the weekendbecause there's there's actually58100:38:25,260 --> 00:38:27,600one show that I really want tohear but I don't know when it58200:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,110starts it's been leibrandt He'sa friend of mine. He does58300:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,260massive DJ mixes really reallygood stuff.58400:38:34,950 --> 00:38:37,830Oh, that guy? Yes. I saw hisname in the list. Yeah,58500:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,560so I'm excited for his trip. Ithink it's Saturdays so he'll58600:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,490pop up and then I'll listen toit. And as we're looking at this58700:38:44,490 --> 00:38:48,690like Okay, now we really gotsomething now and what he wants58800:38:48,690 --> 00:38:52,560to do you know, and we'll talkafter after the holidays, is he58900:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,250wants his his air talent to besoliciting booster grams. He59000:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,520wants some reading boostergrams. He wants the chat room,59100:38:59,550 --> 00:39:03,510all the stuff that we've talkedabout. And you basically took a59200:39:03,510 --> 00:39:05,250couple days and set most of itup.59300:39:06,330 --> 00:39:10,830Yeah, yeah, that's like that's,that's exactly right. So this,59400:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,370what I wanted, this is called itthe mega cron, because this is59500:39:14,370 --> 00:39:18,570like the, you know, cron job onsteroids. Some things I learned59600:39:18,570 --> 00:39:24,390here. If they do a form of oneof these midnight format, format59700:39:24,390 --> 00:39:28,890changes I'm going to I'm goingto go and beat somebody with a59800:39:28,890 --> 00:39:35,760hammer. This this so the whatwhat I wanted for this. Oh, also59900:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,700Yeah, I agree with you. It'ssome of these I don't think some60000:39:38,700 --> 00:39:40,410of these DJs are actuallythey're60100:39:41,340 --> 00:39:45,030just like, well, like Kim Wilde.She just does. She tracks it in60200:39:45,030 --> 00:39:47,850the studio. Someone else puts itall together for I don't think60300:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,100she's sitting there DJing livefor sure.60400:39:50,430 --> 00:39:52,770Because it'll come on and belike, you know, they'll play of60500:39:52,770 --> 00:39:56,250track and they'll be like, bigSteve Kelly on 100% retro and60600:39:56,250 --> 00:39:58,710then we'll play another trackand and then we'll do that for60700:39:58,710 --> 00:40:00,900an hour and I never actuallyhear back Steve Kelly saying60800:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,970anything? Oh, really? Okay,yeah, well,60900:40:02,970 --> 00:40:05,760maybe Steve Kelly wasn't therefor this particular show that61000:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,470does happen, or he didn't gethis check.61100:40:07,470 --> 00:40:11,340I mean, maybe he's using thebathroom, I think61200:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,270we really want. And they're not,they're not sending that61300:40:15,270 --> 00:40:18,570metadata where their feed yet,but I think that's what you want61400:40:18,570 --> 00:40:21,660you want to do it from that weget the metadata, the metadata61500:40:21,660 --> 00:40:25,350changes, you want to be able tosay, Okay, this, this metadata61600:40:25,350 --> 00:40:29,400is this portion changes, I needto create a new feed and a new61700:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,780tag with this. So that they, sothey exhorts not on a schedule61800:40:33,780 --> 00:40:37,620that could change and would meanthat we'd have to change. What61900:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,640the script is doing is it's takeit we, it's got a big scare,62000:40:41,670 --> 00:40:44,670it's got a big schedule, whichis essentially a an associative62100:40:44,670 --> 00:40:48,990array. In the the array, the toplevel index of the array is the62200:40:48,990 --> 00:40:54,660day. So it's numbered, like dayof week, like 1234567, in cron,62300:40:54,660 --> 00:40:59,430job numbering. And then thesecond level index of the array62400:40:59,430 --> 00:41:04,200is the hour that the showstarts. And then the in then62500:41:04,200 --> 00:41:11,040within that index, there is aset of properties for that62600:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,340script, then title, the show thedescription, who the DJ is their62700:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,760bio, their image, blah, blah,blah, how and how long and the62800:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,710duration, how long it lasts.This is pretty, pretty62900:41:22,710 --> 00:41:27,150straightforward. The longestamount of time was just taking63000:41:27,150 --> 00:41:32,820in building that huge schedulearray instead, but in the reason63100:41:32,820 --> 00:41:37,950I did it that way. Like, becauseI think it's instructive because63200:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,690this was meant to to open like,say this open, there's a repo in63300:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,520the GitHub now, I think it'sjust called 100. Retro. What I63400:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,050want is something very simpleand easy to read for pretty much63500:41:52,050 --> 00:41:58,050any programmer to say, okay,here is how I can take, as long63600:41:58,050 --> 00:42:02,520as I have something that lookslike this, like a schedule that63700:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,290they will recognize the formatof, then I can plug that into a63800:42:07,290 --> 00:42:13,200script that looks like this. Andoutput, this feed that is going63900:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,640to be podcasting64000:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,9402.0 compatible, right, somethingthat can be replicated somewhere64100:42:17,940 --> 00:42:18,360else.64200:42:18,390 --> 00:42:21,000Yes, it's going to have a litit's going to have all the live64300:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,260item tags. It it takes thecurrent at that you run into the64400:42:25,260 --> 00:42:28,860top of every hour, it looks andsees, okay, what is the64500:42:28,860 --> 00:42:32,700currently playing show, andthrows in a live item for that64600:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,850with lifestyle with statusequals alive. And then it just64700:42:35,850 --> 00:42:39,600runs through the next five showsin the in the schedule index and64800:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,260adds those as pending, withstart and end times. That's,64900:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,470that's all it does. It just runsonce in once an hour. And if65000:42:46,470 --> 00:42:49,740there if there is no show thathour, then it just doesn't do65100:42:49,740 --> 00:42:54,090anything. So then it builds thecoffee. It builds the feed,65200:42:54,510 --> 00:42:59,130pushes it up to object storage,our feeds dot podcast, index.org65300:42:59,130 --> 00:43:04,020bucket, and then sends out ofpod ping. Beautiful. So that65400:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,540it's got oh gosh, a bunch of abunch of 2.0 tags us a medium65500:43:09,570 --> 00:43:20,700live item. Location, person. GuID. It's got a march I listed65600:43:20,700 --> 00:43:26,280them all out. So this you couldtake in you could say because of65700:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,550the Locate like the location taggoes in there, and you in the65800:43:29,550 --> 00:43:34,680location for since it's a globalradio station location tag,65900:43:34,710 --> 00:43:37,740there's one lady in SouthAfrica, I think there's someone66000:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,550there's other whole city. Yeah.66100:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,840And then you there's a guy inAustralia like you could, you66200:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,770could slice and dice this allkinds of ways. If you're a66300:43:49,770 --> 00:43:55,350podcast app, you can you couldsay, okay, if I'm, if I'm a66400:43:55,350 --> 00:43:58,020podcast app that wants to havelike, really good, robust66500:43:58,020 --> 00:44:02,040support for radio streams, thenI could say,66600:44:02,490 --> 00:44:05,310that's why I haven't seen it.Okay. But,66700:44:05,460 --> 00:44:10,140you know, it would be silly tosay that. It'd be silly to say66800:44:10,140 --> 00:44:12,510that radio stations haven't beendoing podcasting because they66900:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,980they have, except they haven'tbeen able to be full67000:44:16,980 --> 00:44:20,010participants because of they'vegot all these licensing issues.67100:44:20,010 --> 00:44:23,250You can't create correctdownloadable episode of a bunch67200:44:23,250 --> 00:44:31,590of songs. Correct. So this is away to get it to get radio, the67300:44:31,590 --> 00:44:37,380radio industry to be a firstclass citizen within podcasting67400:44:38,490 --> 00:44:43,590by bringing the live item tothem, this is something they can67500:44:43,590 --> 00:44:49,350use. They can now they can nowbe in a podcast app as a as a67600:44:49,350 --> 00:44:54,120legitimate thing. Because theyhave the thing that they need67700:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,480now, right. And it's alsomusics, you know, it can be67800:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,330music centric, it emerges musicinto podcasting in a natural67900:45:03,330 --> 00:45:08,760way, which is the radio way? Iguess I'm I'm fond of things68000:45:09,690 --> 00:45:12,300like this when you say, okay,hey radio is time to get on68100:45:12,300 --> 00:45:16,920board with podcasting, like in alegit way. And here's how you68200:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,220can do it. I'm really fond ofthese things like where you68300:45:20,220 --> 00:45:26,940build a protocol or technologythat allows people to come into68400:45:27,270 --> 00:45:30,150podcasting or whatever this thisthis space that you're working68500:45:30,150 --> 00:45:34,320in, without having to like do atotal upheaval of everything68600:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,580they know, right? Like, you'relowering the bar, the barrier to68700:45:38,580 --> 00:45:39,000entry.68800:45:39,029 --> 00:45:44,129It's interesting, you bring thatup because they the 100%, retro,68900:45:44,879 --> 00:45:47,819had someone working on an app,and I think they have an app.69000:45:48,299 --> 00:45:51,749I'm not sure where it'savailable. But know, what69100:45:51,749 --> 00:45:54,629basically comes back to me is sowe spend all this time and69200:45:54,629 --> 00:45:58,169effort on an app. And you'retelling me that we automatically69300:45:58,169 --> 00:46:02,939are now available in all appsalready? Yes, yeah. Yes.69400:46:02,939 --> 00:46:06,209Correct. That is pretty much it,right. And so unless you want to69500:46:06,209 --> 00:46:10,379stay in radio, like this is ouryou know, where you want to keep69600:46:10,379 --> 00:46:13,079everybody and lock them in,which I don't think is a great69700:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,229future, then, you know, withyour own app, so it's only and69800:46:16,229 --> 00:46:20,369we even have the Wii, andalthough not quite sure how69900:46:20,369 --> 00:46:27,059it'll work. But comments are thesocial interact, which, which70000:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,889Alex gates correctly pointedout. So what exactly how exactly70100:46:31,889 --> 00:46:35,879does that work? Because the wayit's set up right now, if I make70200:46:35,879 --> 00:46:39,149a comment, it's it's a commentto something to a piece of media70300:46:39,149 --> 00:46:44,159that doesn't exist. It's just acomment thread from a certain70400:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,409point in time. Is that does thatsound right?70500:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,710Yeah. And I see the I definitelysee the issue there that you're70600:46:52,740 --> 00:46:55,800you're basically commenting onwhat he called an ephemeral70700:46:56,070 --> 00:46:56,580item.70800:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160Yeah, that just disappears.70900:46:59,670 --> 00:47:03,960Yeah. And then I know, I get it,I totally get that. It's more71000:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,110like just a, it's an x, it's away to show what's possible, I71100:47:10,110 --> 00:47:14,850really just did that as more ofa tech demo of here's, because I71200:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,040don't know what the future isgoing to look like when it comes71300:47:17,040 --> 00:47:23,070to this kind of cross pollinateswith this other. I don't know if71400:47:23,070 --> 00:47:29,640it's a push or more of just anexploration of ideas of Mitch71500:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,690was the last one to mention it.But it's been mentioned before71600:47:33,690 --> 00:47:37,110by by Christian Decker and otherpeople in the lightning side is71700:47:37,590 --> 00:47:44,550splitting out the messages fromthe payments. That your so that71800:47:44,550 --> 00:47:47,670your booster grounds are goingover activity pub or XMPP or71900:47:47,670 --> 00:47:51,630nostril. Reuters. Right. Butthen, but then the actual72000:47:51,630 --> 00:47:53,880payments taking place on linenine running and then you do72100:47:54,090 --> 00:47:58,740it's, it's a way to sort ofsplit the data from the payment,72200:47:59,280 --> 00:47:59,670which is,72300:47:59,670 --> 00:48:03,660which is not a bad idea. It'snot a bad idea. As long as72400:48:03,660 --> 00:48:09,120it's Yeah, go ahead. Well, well,the there's pros and cons there.72500:48:09,780 --> 00:48:16,320And the the Pro is you haveunlimited space. Now, it's not72600:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,800really about Unlimited,unlimited space, it's about the72700:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,560fact that within a booster gram,you don't know how much space72800:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,580you have, at any given timebecause the onion size changes,72900:48:26,610 --> 00:48:31,560right? So you could be workingwith 1300 Bytes one minute, and73000:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,490then you know, it73100:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,730could be 1100 In the next Yeah,just just because the routing of73200:48:35,730 --> 00:48:38,850the payment. Yeah. So it has ithas to be short no matter what.73300:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,560It's certainly not a reallyefficient way of using the73400:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,490Lightning Network.73500:48:45,750 --> 00:48:50,250It's not the only you know, thecons are the constant splitting73600:48:50,250 --> 00:48:53,400them in these aren't you can'tdiscount these. And this, this73700:48:53,400 --> 00:48:59,790goes back again to lowering thebarrier of entry. It's common,73800:48:59,820 --> 00:49:05,100now you're adding somecomplexity. You split. It may73900:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,790not be ideal, but I'm not surewe would even have booster grams74000:49:08,790 --> 00:49:11,160yet. If we had set out to do itthat way. I74100:49:11,759 --> 00:49:14,039completely agree. 100%.74200:49:14,070 --> 00:49:15,990Because if you're saying ifyou're saying okay, you need an74300:49:15,990 --> 00:49:19,350AP, you got to have AP, you gotan activity pub over here. And74400:49:19,350 --> 00:49:21,660then you're gonna have to haveLightning Lightning payments74500:49:21,660 --> 00:49:25,680over here. And now you're gonnahave to have a payment, a proof74600:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,760of payment mechanism that goesbetween the two. Like, I think74700:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520that that is an aspirationalgoal and an important one that74800:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,700that needs to happen, but itcould not have happened at the74900:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,970beginning. I don't think itwould have gone I don't think it75000:49:38,970 --> 00:49:39,240would have75100:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,990I agree and ground. In fact,let's let's remember the Genesis75200:49:42,990 --> 00:49:49,620was Sphinx, the Sphinx app. Andthey they were doing boosts or75300:49:49,620 --> 00:49:55,650boosts and did the booster gramcome while we were taught that75400:49:55,650 --> 00:49:59,310what did they have that alreadyor do we know I think I think75500:49:59,310 --> 00:50:02,190was built into their system,they were already using the TLV75600:50:02,190 --> 00:50:07,500for just for chat pieces. Right?So you, yeah, you would the TLV75700:50:07,500 --> 00:50:09,750carried the short message, Ithink75800:50:10,260 --> 00:50:14,880you're right in the TLV. In theTLVs. Registry, there is a75900:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,200sphinx registration in there forpayment information, like76000:50:19,230 --> 00:50:23,490there's a TLV already, so theyjust switched it. Okay. I mean,76100:50:23,550 --> 00:50:28,770like, here's, here's the waythat it looks to me is you need76200:50:28,770 --> 00:50:40,230more. You need more interestedparties pushing the in the same76300:50:40,230 --> 00:50:44,490direction, in order to go fromthe level we're at now to the76400:50:44,490 --> 00:50:48,240next level. And that's anotherreason, you know, I mean,76500:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,360bringing it back to the radiothing yet again. There are once76600:50:54,390 --> 00:50:58,020once we get to a certain levelof momentum, you know, maybe76700:50:58,020 --> 00:51:00,960radios, maybe radio stationsbegin to come into this party, I76800:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,540don't know. Once we get to acertain level of momentum, then76900:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,540you can say, okay, at some pointwhen it makes sense, and you77000:51:06,540 --> 00:51:09,570have a lot of people that aresaying that are saying, we're77100:51:09,570 --> 00:51:13,290willing, you know, we want topush us back forward, then we77200:51:13,290 --> 00:51:18,300can say, okay, v2. Now, now wehave like all these people77300:51:18,300 --> 00:51:23,850willing to get on board andpush, push this push a new spec,77400:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,870a new flavor forward. And, tome, that feels like the right77500:51:27,870 --> 00:51:32,010thing to do. Because,unfortunately, the Tech Tech77600:51:32,010 --> 00:51:35,190doesn't exist in a vacuum. Youknow, I've said before, you77700:51:35,190 --> 00:51:39,090know, half of our half of thestuff I do is not even it has77800:51:39,090 --> 00:51:42,120nothing to do with code oranything. It's like, responding77900:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,710to people's emails responding tolike helping having a phone call78000:51:46,710 --> 00:51:51,900with a hosting company. It'slike evangelism. Yeah. It's 50%.78100:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,830Tech and 50%. Evangelism, andyou can't, like if you just78200:51:56,940 --> 00:52:01,230projects die when they don't dothe evangelism part, when they78300:52:01,230 --> 00:52:05,010don't work with people and thatkind of stuff. So if we have, it78400:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,410doesn't matter how good the techis, you have to sort of meet78500:52:07,410 --> 00:52:11,010people where they're at. Andthen I feel like that's the way78600:52:11,010 --> 00:52:15,000forward because I want I want toget that part done. But I feel78700:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,150like we need some more. I don'tknow there's some there's a78800:52:18,150 --> 00:52:21,420missing piece here that weneeded. There's not a missing78900:52:21,420 --> 00:52:24,480piece. But there's there'smissing parties here. Because79000:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,780the lightning people there.They're not interested enough.79100:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,030We're having to do all this crapourselves.79200:52:33,060 --> 00:52:35,190Oh, no, they're not interestedin micro payments. They're not79300:52:35,190 --> 00:52:39,000at all at all at all. They don'tcare at all. That's frustrating.79400:52:39,510 --> 00:52:42,180They don't actually mostlightning people also don't care79500:52:42,180 --> 00:52:45,810about value for value is myexperience. They really want79600:52:47,070 --> 00:52:51,870transactions fast. Lots of themgot big enough numbers that they79700:52:51,870 --> 00:52:58,170that it makes sense for them. Idon't see any real from that.79800:52:58,170 --> 00:53:00,810When you say the lightningfolks. I mean, like lightning79900:53:00,810 --> 00:53:03,120labs specifically. They don'tcare.80000:53:03,150 --> 00:53:06,510Yeah, they told us, they told usflat out on a phone call one day80100:53:06,510 --> 00:53:08,010just just do bigger payments,get80200:53:08,010 --> 00:53:11,430bigger payments, if you want itto work. We're like no, not the80300:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,940way this works, actually. And soof course, when we get a big80400:53:14,940 --> 00:53:18,660payment, this is what we learnedfrom Arrow statica, who boosted80500:53:18,660 --> 00:53:24,6302 million SATs on the last showfrom from fountain fountain only80600:53:24,630 --> 00:53:32,580had a 2 million sat channel withus. Which was you know, was 1.880700:53:32,580 --> 00:53:37,860million was on our side already.So yeah, that's gonna fail. And80800:53:37,860 --> 00:53:40,230so we didn't we didn't get it.We couldn't announce it.80900:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,920Luckily, the two people we hadin our in our splits got, they81000:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,120got their their portion, whichwas great. But there yet there's81100:53:48,510 --> 00:53:51,150an interesting reverse of thewhole problem where we've been81200:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,660focused on micro payments, justmaking it all work, very small81300:53:54,660 --> 00:53:57,120payments, you know, with thefees and everything to keep that81400:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,560kind of flowing. Someone comesalong with a reasonable sized81500:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,550payment and we fall down. And itdidn't get to us through any81600:54:05,550 --> 00:54:08,850other means either because wegot lots of incoming liquidity,81700:54:09,090 --> 00:54:11,550but it just didn't get to us. Soyou know,81800:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,690what, a two amp amp is going tosolve everything. Yeah, and81900:54:15,690 --> 00:54:20,850Bolt 12 Bolt. Like I keep seeingBolt 12 github messages so82000:54:20,850 --> 00:54:24,210they're working on it. I don'tknow if that'll ever happen.82100:54:25,530 --> 00:54:28,650I've been doing on the cross appcomments from I've been spent82200:54:28,650 --> 00:54:30,030some time researching noster82300:54:30,510 --> 00:54:34,920da I had this on my on my listlast I wanted to pop it to82400:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,100surprise you with it. I've beenspending some time on Nastar82500:54:38,100 --> 00:54:38,790myself. Okay,82600:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,860let's let's do it last thenlet's get let's do it. Let's82700:54:40,860 --> 00:54:42,390suppose we get other stufftalking about82800:54:42,450 --> 00:54:45,420All right, then let's processcomments because it leads into82900:54:45,420 --> 00:54:50,460it. Right? Yes, I had I had anexperience which I wanted to83000:54:50,460 --> 00:54:51,000relay.83100:54:51,540 --> 00:54:52,560Yes, please relay.83200:54:54,180 --> 00:54:57,210So a lot of things happenedsince we were last talking about83300:54:57,210 --> 00:55:00,060this. And one of the things thatcame back to me when I'm I'm83400:55:00,060 --> 00:55:05,160planning I'm saying giving up.We're publishing social interact83500:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,150tags, which is quote unquote,cross app comments on every show83600:55:09,150 --> 00:55:13,410I do. And what came back to mewas, well, you know, what you're83700:55:13,410 --> 00:55:17,250using on podcasting. 2.0 isbroken you using the slug, it83800:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,290never should have been used,even though I was told83900:55:19,290 --> 00:55:24,540specifically to use it. And sothat delta is basically holding84000:55:24,540 --> 00:55:28,170it wrong. Yes, it's exactly whatI felt like, Okay, I'm holding84100:55:28,170 --> 00:55:31,950it wrong. I'm sorry. And thatwasn't malice on anyone's part.84200:55:31,950 --> 00:55:34,590But I understand how thesethings work, which is why I was84300:55:34,710 --> 00:55:36,960I was kind of saying, Hey, I'mjust gonna give up. I'll keep84400:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,530publishing the content. But Idon't, I'm not I'm getting tired84500:55:40,530 --> 00:55:43,230of asking for someone toimplement it. And then it's84600:55:43,230 --> 00:55:45,420like, well, it's all kind ofthere. You know, it's you just84700:55:45,420 --> 00:55:49,080can't, you can't log in from anapp. And so I let me go try84800:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,820this. And I know that Caitlin islike me, he's putting his social84900:55:53,820 --> 00:56:00,180interact, tags him. And so I onpod news. I on pod verse, the85000:56:00,180 --> 00:56:03,990pod news, I go to go tocomments, I tap on the comment85100:56:03,990 --> 00:56:07,920thinking that I shouldn't be,you know, that I maybe I'll have85200:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,500to log into my instance, once.But no, here's the here's what85300:56:13,500 --> 00:56:17,730happens. You go to thatparticular post, which is the85400:56:17,730 --> 00:56:18,570route post,85500:56:18,930 --> 00:56:21,480okay, you're in, I'm in themeat. Let me make sure I'm85600:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,890tracking. You're in pod verse.85700:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,270I'm in pod verse. And I click onthe post, and it opens that85800:56:27,270 --> 00:56:32,460post, I think in a browser inthe app. I like it pops, like a85900:56:32,460 --> 00:56:36,120web view. The web G Correct.Okay. Okay. And there, I'm86000:56:36,120 --> 00:56:42,420greeted by, if you want to replyto this, you have to copy this86100:56:42,420 --> 00:56:46,980URL, go to your own site,search, put it into the search86200:56:46,980 --> 00:56:51,690box, then it will pop up, andthen you can comment on it. And86300:56:51,690 --> 00:56:56,370this seems to be a thing.Whether you're in an app or not,86400:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,680I don't see the problem. What'sit what's wrong with this?86500:57:00,390 --> 00:57:03,990You don't see what's wrong withthis. Every single. Okay, thank86600:57:03,990 --> 00:57:07,380you. It was a very badexperience,86700:57:07,529 --> 00:57:10,019you need to queue up that ISO,by the way, because I feel like86800:57:10,019 --> 00:57:11,669we're gonna have to use that alot. I'm ready for do86900:57:11,670 --> 00:57:15,300you need it? Now? It's needed.Now. That's not entirely true.87000:57:16,590 --> 00:57:19,470That's a good one. It's notentirely true. I'm gonna use87100:57:19,470 --> 00:57:19,980this.87200:57:21,390 --> 00:57:27,990The. So I think why that ishappening to you. And it would87300:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,720make sense that it would happenon every mobile devices. Because87400:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,860when you when you open up a webview from inside another app,87500:57:35,250 --> 00:57:40,980it's sandbox you don't have itdoesn't inherit your cookie87600:57:40,980 --> 00:57:44,400collection and things like that.You're not logged in87700:57:44,430 --> 00:57:48,210correct. Make sense. But when Ilogged in on the same app, and I87800:57:48,210 --> 00:57:51,960did, and I went to my own site,I had to do the same thing.87900:57:52,350 --> 00:57:54,840Right row, I think I thinkyou're gonna do Yeah, I think88000:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,570you're gonna have that's goingto be a problem. That's why the88100:57:57,570 --> 00:58:01,740cross app comment reply,activity, pub replies need to be88200:58:01,740 --> 00:58:06,750baked in to the app itself, andnot a WebView. I don't think the88300:58:06,810 --> 00:58:10,680the WebView is not going to workis not going to work. It's not88400:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,010good. It's88500:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,370interesting that I'm the onlyperson who actually tried this88600:58:14,370 --> 00:58:17,040apparently, I don't think asingle person in our group has88700:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,190ever actually tapped on acomment and tried to comment in88800:58:20,190 --> 00:58:23,220the app. And that was a hugeletdown for me.88900:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,830This that is not entirely true.This is this is the conundrum of89000:58:31,830 --> 00:58:35,850cross app comments, and I feellike cross F comments boils down89100:58:35,850 --> 00:58:42,990to one issue. That reallyultimately there are there are89200:58:42,990 --> 00:58:50,070sub sub issues, but the one mademajor issue is it's not, it will89300:58:50,070 --> 00:58:53,310not gain traction until itbecomes visible.89400:58:53,370 --> 00:58:59,520Yep. I agree. It's, it'scompletely hidden. The replies89500:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,030are not showing up. Because Inoticed that their replies I89600:59:03,600 --> 00:59:09,270find today I did see my reply.Interestingly, I guess James is89700:59:09,270 --> 00:59:13,020using the same route post, I'mnot quite sure, because it89800:59:13,020 --> 00:59:19,290showed up on the new episode ofpod news. And it was the comment89900:59:19,290 --> 00:59:22,200I put in two days ago.Regardless, there's two things90000:59:22,230 --> 00:59:26,820it's not showing up this is whythe booster gram interaction on90100:59:26,820 --> 00:59:31,320fountain shows up prominently.So you show that guess what90200:59:31,320 --> 00:59:37,500people use it. Now they alsohave a vibe notice fountain if90300:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,320it's not a value for valueenabled podcast, they have90400:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,400something called comment. I haveno idea what that is. I have no90500:59:44,400 --> 00:59:50,040idea. I'm sure it doesn't gointo the social interact tag. So90600:59:50,070 --> 00:59:52,350you know that that thing is veryconfusing to me.90700:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,870Now, I think we I think we had agood solution or not as not as90800:59:57,900 --> 01:00:02,250it's not a full solution, but Ithink we had a good Wait is to90901:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,730do get more visibility andtraction, which is, you know,91001:00:05,820 --> 01:00:11,190cross pollinate the two cross Fcomment technologies together so91101:00:11,190 --> 01:00:15,360that they both live in the URL.And I'm gonna go I'm just gonna91201:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,610go ahead and go into the nostrething. The did some did some91301:00:20,610 --> 01:00:27,180looking this I get it nostermakes some sense.91401:00:28,740 --> 01:00:31,710I want to tell people whatnoster is because I'm not so91501:00:31,710 --> 01:00:33,270sure people understand.91601:00:33,899 --> 01:00:39,809Okay, not noster is a protocolby the same guy or guys that did91701:00:39,839 --> 01:00:47,129Ellen URL, I'm pretty sure. Andit is supposed to be what is91801:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,749described as a censorshipresistant pronouns gene91901:00:51,779 --> 01:00:56,729protocol. Yeah. And the ideahere is that you have noster92001:00:56,729 --> 01:01:02,669relays, which will relaymessages back and forth, you92101:01:02,669 --> 01:01:06,119know, essentially gossip themaround around the their noster92201:01:06,359 --> 01:01:10,559network. And everybody you know,you get a public, you get a92301:01:10,559 --> 01:01:15,899private key. And every mastermessage is signed with the92401:01:15,899 --> 01:01:20,099private key and can be verifiedthat you know, you are who you92501:01:20,099 --> 01:01:27,209say you are, by public keyauthentication. And this way,92601:01:27,209 --> 01:01:32,549it's supposed to be censorshipresistant because as opposed to92701:01:32,549 --> 01:01:38,249something like Mastodon whereyou have different we have we92801:01:38,249 --> 01:01:43,529have instances that you're youare a my my account on podcast92901:01:43,529 --> 01:01:48,359index dot social is linkedintimately to podcasts index dot93001:01:48,359 --> 01:01:51,659social. So there's somebodyblocks our instance I am blocked93101:01:51,659 --> 01:01:56,669as a as a result than being sortof like, in the nostril Ward,93201:01:56,669 --> 01:02:02,099you would each each entity is isstands on its own. It stands on93301:02:02,099 --> 01:02:05,819its own. It's not, it'scensorship resistant in that93401:02:05,819 --> 01:02:06,059way.93501:02:06,090 --> 01:02:08,790And so the censorship resistantpart, I didn't get that93601:02:08,790 --> 01:02:13,800marketing, I don't care. I seeit as something this is not us.93701:02:13,830 --> 01:02:17,700So, of course, what's going tohappen? Because this is how it's93801:02:17,700 --> 01:02:21,930been launched this protocol,everyone's going to see it as a93901:02:21,930 --> 01:02:24,750censorship resistant Twitter,that is already the marketing94001:02:24,750 --> 01:02:30,690and that is just completelyincorrect. What I like seeing is94101:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,720Chester, which is a chess, it'sa chess app. And you and you94201:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,110literally play chess againstother people through noster.94301:02:40,590 --> 01:02:46,080Because Okay, noster is the wayI see it, of course, like with94401:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,240everything, oh, yeah, it'scensorship, resistant,94501:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,170decentralized, but you need allthese relays, okay. They're94601:02:52,170 --> 01:02:56,460really easy to run to the relaything is like, it's to me, it's94701:02:56,460 --> 01:02:59,940like it's little it's its ownlittle mini activity, pub, and94801:02:59,940 --> 01:03:03,090you can run your own. And that'swhere you'll have censorship or94901:03:03,090 --> 01:03:07,380not, in fact, I would probablywant to make sure that if I got95001:03:07,380 --> 01:03:11,070a whole bunch of porn stuff thatit doesn't spam, if I have, if95101:03:11,070 --> 01:03:16,110I'm looking at a firehose, tome. noster is a protocol that, I95201:03:16,110 --> 01:03:18,570mean, it would be moreinteresting to see pod ping rot.95301:03:18,570 --> 01:03:21,060And I didn't want to bring thatup, because no one wants to deal95401:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,850with POD ping for the nextmonth. But it would be more95501:03:23,850 --> 01:03:26,940interesting to see pod pingbeing published on it and being95601:03:26,970 --> 01:03:30,000ingested than any other commonthing.95701:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,330Does that make reading mama?You're reading my mind. Okay.95801:03:33,330 --> 01:03:40,500And so the NASPO to me, nosteris it's fine, what it for what95901:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,460it wants to be. And I don'tnecessarily have a problem with96001:03:44,460 --> 01:03:49,140it. Except there's a couple ofthe I don't see how it's any96101:03:49,140 --> 01:03:52,740different than, I don't see howit's going to be any different96201:03:53,370 --> 01:03:57,510than Tor. Because what you haveis these relays, essentially our96301:03:57,510 --> 01:04:02,250exit nodes. And then, like, ifyou just all of a sudden start96401:04:02,250 --> 01:04:05,820spewing out a bunch of a bunchof illegal materials through one96501:04:05,820 --> 01:04:09,690of these relays. Like, How'sthat different than just getting96601:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,450the tour, you're gonna get,you're getting all sudden,96701:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,360you're gonna get really startingto get blocked, you're gonna96801:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,530have a lot you know, in everytime if you if you if you sell96901:04:19,530 --> 01:04:23,640this as censorship resistant,it's a huge mistake. It's going97001:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,160to hit every all the bad guysare going to go there and97101:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,350they're going to start doing abunch of crap that you that97201:04:28,380 --> 01:04:28,830what's already97301:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,920happening. I mean, someoneliterally sure spammed the97401:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,070entire firehose of a whole bunchof relays with Asian porn. And97501:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,460so relay started filtering thatout. This is exactly what this97601:04:41,610 --> 01:04:46,350so it's all the same. What Ilike about it, is you don't97701:04:46,350 --> 01:04:50,820actually need to have aninstance. So instead of you97801:04:50,820 --> 01:04:54,390having to sign up somewhere, andI believe you can even just use97901:04:54,390 --> 01:04:59,730your Albie wallet or your yourlightning address. You could say98001:04:59,730 --> 01:05:04,050hey, This is um, generally I'musing this lightning node ID as98101:05:04,050 --> 01:05:09,780my identity. And what they havedone or what I'm seeing is that,98201:05:10,290 --> 01:05:13,920and I think it's mainly JackDorsey who was all over this98301:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,490thing. I mean, I logged overnoster Oh, I logged on right98401:05:17,490 --> 01:05:20,610away. I'm getting Hey, Adam. I'mgetting you know, hang 10 Emojis98501:05:20,610 --> 01:05:27,870from from Dorsey? Because he hasinvested in an app I think that98601:05:27,870 --> 01:05:31,800uses noster. Of course, yeah.Well, you know what, that's98701:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,040okay. If he wants to criticism,no, no, in fact, I think that's98801:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,520great, because it probably willnever come back to him in any in98901:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,140any fashion or not for a longtime, if it's an investment. But99001:05:43,140 --> 01:05:48,690I kind of like that idea thatthat you don't and you can use99101:05:48,690 --> 01:05:55,440one identity for for anything,essentially, within within the99201:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,480nostril world. And I mean, I seeit as a, it seems like a very99301:06:00,510 --> 01:06:07,500interesting protocol to look atfor things. Forget cross app99401:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,110comments for a second becauseright now, no one's demanding99501:06:10,110 --> 01:06:13,290it. No one's sending me emails.I'm not getting any FedEx here.99601:06:13,290 --> 01:06:16,380Say, Oh, if only I could havecomments. None of that.99701:06:17,670 --> 01:06:23,700Yeah, so Spencer said thatDorsey put he gave 14 Bitcoin to99801:06:23,730 --> 01:06:27,930fiat just nostril foundation.Okay, well, good. And yeah, it99901:06:27,930 --> 01:06:30,510basically subsidizes censorshipresistant, except when you post100001:06:30,510 --> 01:06:32,610porn, we can easily sit straightwithout much resistance.100101:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,310Right. But But yeah, but for me,it's much more interesting,100201:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,730because I think, look, we'reright now podcasts index the100301:06:38,730 --> 01:06:43,740node that functions as a veryimportant piece in in, in100401:06:43,770 --> 01:06:47,610providing liquidity from left toright all over the place. In100501:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,460fact, more than more than mostpeople know when you when you100601:06:50,460 --> 01:06:53,730look at what's really running onstuff that we're that we're100701:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,760providing. So it would be verylogical for us to have a relay100801:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,240and us and a network of trustedrelays, you know, you don't have100901:07:03,240 --> 01:07:08,010to be part of one huge network.As long as we do what we've done101001:07:08,010 --> 01:07:11,490so far, it's all kind of thesame thing. And I feel that, to101101:07:11,490 --> 01:07:16,230me, personally, noster has aplace in podcasting 2.0, where101201:07:16,230 --> 01:07:17,520I'm not quite sure yet.101301:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,320But But, but I think it has aplace in pod pain. Yes, it101401:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,420does. Well, that's what I'msaying. I think it has a real101501:07:24,420 --> 01:07:27,420good place with POD ping. I justdidn't really want to bring it101601:07:27,420 --> 01:07:30,930up. Because if I say pod Fangand you know, it should be a101701:07:30,930 --> 01:07:34,590nostalgia, we can complain a rowlike not everyone's gonna hate101801:07:34,590 --> 01:07:35,010me.101901:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,810No, no, here's, here's the. Sothis is why I said while ago,102001:07:39,810 --> 01:07:44,910you read my mind, because thehere's here's, I don't flee, I102101:07:44,910 --> 01:07:48,990don't see how you break out ofthis problem. Every one of these102201:07:48,990 --> 01:07:54,780technologies is going, whetherit's Tor, or Noster, or activity102301:07:54,780 --> 01:08:01,890pub, or IPFS, or Lappi, to Pblockchains. They're all going102401:08:01,890 --> 01:08:06,270to have ultimately this problem,which is, how do you keep out102501:08:06,660 --> 01:08:10,680the truly terrible stuff?Because Because as soon as that102601:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,350stuff begins to come in, and itwill, they're all it just makes102701:08:16,350 --> 01:08:20,910everything bad. I mean, they itattracts heat that nobody wants.102801:08:21,540 --> 01:08:25,440And that's, that's just thereality of the world that we102901:08:25,440 --> 01:08:33,180live in. Agree. And so to me,what is the only way to truly be103001:08:33,210 --> 01:08:36,570redundant in a way where you cansay we're not putting all of our103101:08:36,570 --> 01:08:41,460eggs in one basket. And this iswhat all of the prod pink 2.0103201:08:41,490 --> 01:08:46,050work was built on this idea thatwe are going to support multiple103301:08:46,050 --> 01:08:50,400protocols. So that's the truth.That's the only way that you103401:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,790solve this problem is you. Youdon't you don't say okay, we're103501:08:53,790 --> 01:08:55,890going to, okay, we're gonnasolve this. We're not going to103601:08:55,890 --> 01:08:59,460do hive, we're gonna do nosterNo, no, no, we're gonna say, you103701:08:59,460 --> 01:09:02,220say no, we're gonna do, we'regonna do hive, we're gonna do103801:09:02,220 --> 01:09:08,100noster we're going to activitypub, we're gonna do IPFS we're103901:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,590gonna do object storage, we'regonna, we're gonna do we'll have104001:09:10,770 --> 01:09:16,59010 different protocols that areall that are all doing. pod bay.104101:09:17,100 --> 01:09:20,640And you just, if one falls down,you flip over to the other end.104201:09:20,670 --> 01:09:24,660To me, that's the only solutionfor true redundancy.104301:09:24,870 --> 01:09:31,470Gotcha. I agree. I would love tosee. And I'd need more. We need104401:09:31,470 --> 01:09:34,650more analysis probably Icertainly have not been all I've104501:09:34,650 --> 01:09:37,530been been able to do is just seethat it works. I've been able to104601:09:37,530 --> 01:09:42,060try, you know, move to differentinterfaces using just my my104701:09:42,060 --> 01:09:47,280private key. You know, I have areal good understanding of what104801:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,160the system is where exactly whatyou said where the weaknesses104901:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,130are. I've that said, I've had areally good time because there105001:09:53,130 --> 01:09:58,680are people on noster that I knowa lot of people and they're105101:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,960finding me I don't know don'tknow exactly how. But so it105201:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,350probably because it's stillrelatively small. I would love105301:10:07,350 --> 01:10:13,680to see it integrated into intopod ping and perhaps the app105401:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,820side so apps can receive podpings and make their own105501:10:17,820 --> 01:10:20,460decisions at that point. Doesthat make sense?105601:10:21,449 --> 01:10:28,709Yeah, well, yeah. So the itneeds to be protocol. agnostic.105701:10:28,859 --> 01:10:32,909Right. And, and flat andprotocol flexible.105801:10:33,420 --> 01:10:37,860Proto credit. Proto flexible. Ilike um, this is a new word.105901:10:38,310 --> 01:10:41,700protozoan. Flexible? That's agender.106001:10:42,570 --> 01:10:44,550It is. It is proto flexible.Yes.106101:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,890What? What are your pronouns forproto flexible?106201:10:48,930 --> 01:10:51,750Nut? noster? hosters. Shuster?106301:10:52,470 --> 01:10:57,090hoster. noster? Yes. By the way,I couldn't resist. I had to106401:10:57,090 --> 01:11:00,180register noster dot dog. I don'tknow why it was available. I106501:11:00,180 --> 01:11:03,330just thought it was funny. Dog.Dog. I want to be the noster106601:11:03,330 --> 01:11:05,550dog. Naughty Dog.106701:11:06,060 --> 01:11:07,770It doesn't look great dog nameanyway.106801:11:08,250 --> 01:11:09,540noster coming austere.106901:11:12,750 --> 01:11:17,580That to me, to me, they all it'sjust one. It's I'm not enamored107001:11:17,580 --> 01:11:21,690with it the way some people are.But it it is. It can just be107101:11:21,690 --> 01:11:24,180another thing in the stack.107201:11:24,810 --> 01:11:27,780So what you're saying is itshould it could be another thing107301:11:27,780 --> 01:11:32,010in the it could be anotherprotocol in the social interact107401:11:32,010 --> 01:11:32,520stack?107501:11:34,830 --> 01:11:36,000Yeah, possibly.107601:11:36,450 --> 01:11:39,390Why is why? Why not? Why? Whyonly possibly?107701:11:40,500 --> 01:11:46,230Because I've yet to see somebodyactually do it. Do what like do107801:11:46,230 --> 01:11:52,350any of it. Like because this?Now, I mean, a lot of times107901:11:52,350 --> 01:12:00,240people show up. And this was notthe case here. Somebody108001:12:00,270 --> 01:12:04,740mentioned nostre. To me withsocial interact. And I and they108101:12:04,740 --> 01:12:10,530were, they're truly willing tobuild it. But really, a lot of108201:12:10,530 --> 01:12:13,410times, people Oh, with the endof this should be nostre. And108301:12:13,410 --> 01:12:17,580then just to never do anything.So like, I mean,108401:12:17,610 --> 01:12:22,020right? If someone shows up andbuilds it then yeah, of course.108501:12:22,410 --> 01:12:25,200So I just want to make surewhoever is interested in108601:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,360building this it we're open tothat, I would say but jump.108701:12:30,900 --> 01:12:35,250Here's is that uh, no. You went,huh? What did this? I don't108801:12:35,250 --> 01:12:39,930know. Did it? I don't know. Isound we're open. We're open to108901:12:39,930 --> 01:12:41,190building a new mine, huh?109001:12:43,980 --> 01:12:44,790That was involuntary,109101:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,030dense, diverse, sensitive,darling, to what you to all of109201:12:48,030 --> 01:12:56,220your noises I so that's notentirely true. Because I had109301:12:56,250 --> 01:12:58,950very similar thing. I was like,oh, okay, this is the new109401:12:58,950 --> 01:13:03,060matrix. And that turned out tobe a total flop as far as I'm109501:13:03,060 --> 01:13:05,790concerned. A total mess.109601:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,830How many of these are we had?I'm just I'm so burned out. I109701:13:10,830 --> 01:13:14,610agree. I we should do so. And sobecause I'm just like, you know,109801:13:14,730 --> 01:13:19,140matrix activity pub noster XMPP.It's just like, I mean, this109901:13:19,140 --> 01:13:24,390making my head spin. The reasona light lightning comment. So110001:13:24,420 --> 01:13:29,580Oscar, to his credit, built afully fleshed out functional110101:13:30,390 --> 01:13:34,200system for lightning comments.He put his money where his mouth110201:13:34,200 --> 01:13:39,150is in his not his money. He puthis time where his mouth is, is110301:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,220built a thing that actuallyworks.110401:13:41,250 --> 01:13:44,430How about this? Can I interruptyou for one second? Yes, yes,110501:13:44,430 --> 01:13:51,180yes. What if Oscar took hislightning comments system and110601:13:51,300 --> 01:13:57,360duplicated those comments innoster. So they could at least110701:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,760show up in other places, withouthaving because I've been racking110801:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,840my brain, you know, withouthaving to put a split for every110901:14:06,840 --> 01:14:13,620app out there. This might be aninteresting way to replicate the111001:14:13,650 --> 01:14:17,190light lightning comments toother places, other apps other111101:14:17,190 --> 01:14:17,880places111201:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,930you got you essentially get tothe same the same place you did111301:14:22,260 --> 01:14:26,820on my sheet here just saysbridges is the solution. Yes,111401:14:26,820 --> 01:14:28,110Bridge is the solution111501:14:28,110 --> 01:14:29,970is the solution. Okay,111601:14:30,420 --> 01:14:33,150well, here's how you can go Whydon't we go? I should111701:14:33,150 --> 01:14:36,330just let you do the show whichsay the same thing. Why am I why111801:14:36,330 --> 01:14:38,730are we wasting our time here? Weagree on everything.111901:14:40,050 --> 01:14:41,040You send out minutes.112001:14:42,420 --> 01:14:48,360Right? We'll just have some chatGPT right up. Right up the112101:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,250meeting the meeting minuteseverybody112201:14:50,280 --> 01:14:56,400noster bridges adopted. That tome, that's that's your activity.112301:14:57,060 --> 01:14:59,970Whatever the parent protocol is,doesn't doesn't necessarily112401:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,390matter, it can be activity pub,it can be XMPP, it can be112501:15:04,140 --> 01:15:06,690noster. It can be whateverlightning comments, whatever.112601:15:06,930 --> 01:15:11,490But it just need then it needsto bridge out to the broader112701:15:11,910 --> 01:15:21,720ecosystem. So that if you try toif you build noster you need to112801:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,050also bridge it to activity pub.Yeah. Yeah, that's where people112901:15:25,050 --> 01:15:25,320are.113001:15:25,350 --> 01:15:27,660Yes, I agree. 100% agree.113101:15:28,230 --> 01:15:30,660In the other way or the otherway around? If you I mean, if113201:15:30,660 --> 01:15:33,480you know that you're a lot ofyour audience are Bitcoiners.113301:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,530And they're high on noster.Right now we'll activity pub113401:15:38,070 --> 01:15:40,920bridge out to noster. I mean,like, I just want to see this.113501:15:41,130 --> 01:15:44,190Well, the main the main thing,the point you made earlier, is113601:15:44,190 --> 01:15:47,970the main point, lightningcomments in Fountain are113701:15:47,970 --> 01:15:54,870surfaced right there. Lightningcomments in pod verse three113801:15:54,870 --> 01:16:00,240swipes over. And I will say if Ilook now look at the no agenda113901:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,890episode from yesterday. And Ialways start the route post with114001:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,130no agenda episode and then thenumber of comment thread. So114101:16:08,130 --> 01:16:11,640there's three or four replies onthat. And it's showing up. But114201:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,880you know, it just it shows upand you know, and then you tap114301:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,960on it and says, Leave pod versefor website outside the app.114401:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,730Yes. And then I go. Now thisdoes go to no agenda social.com114501:16:24,150 --> 01:16:27,480in the in, and I'm alreadylogged in and authenticated. But114601:16:27,480 --> 01:16:29,400that's but I have an accountthere.114701:16:30,120 --> 01:16:35,190Maybe we made maybe we need tobolster the visibility of114801:16:35,190 --> 01:16:39,540things. Yeah. With something.Maybe that's114901:16:40,050 --> 01:16:42,270well, and so again, I'll tellyou, I'll tell you because I115001:16:42,270 --> 01:16:48,630remember everything, thepushback, mainly at the time. I115101:16:48,630 --> 01:16:52,320think it was Martin. It's like,well, I don't want to have an115201:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,880app that sometimes has commentsand sometimes doesn't. And115301:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,240that's exactly what fountaindid, they created this new115401:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,920category, which is comments,which cost you 10 SATs to post115501:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,190and there's a whole nothersection of people who think it's115601:17:08,460 --> 01:17:12,600wrong that you charge money topost. And we don't even need to115701:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,980go down that road. Becausethat's just an opinion. And then115801:17:16,980 --> 01:17:20,640there's going to be anotherwhole crowd was like, Well, what115901:17:20,670 --> 01:17:23,880if it's on noster? Or activity,but can you delete it? Can you116001:17:23,910 --> 01:17:27,660can you actually get rid ofstuff? So you know all that's116101:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,080the conversation I don't want tohave anymore? And neither do116201:17:31,080 --> 01:17:31,410you.116301:17:31,860 --> 01:17:36,870If it's if if we're totallyunprepared to proceed in this116401:17:36,870 --> 01:17:41,160fashion mentally. If two yearsfrom now, we're still talking116501:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,090about cross F comments andvisibility. I'm, I am prepared116601:17:45,090 --> 01:17:46,620to declare it as a dead116701:17:47,310 --> 01:17:50,160idea I declare to get on thelast board meeting.116801:17:50,610 --> 01:17:54,570Well, I'm not going to readdeclare it. I'm going to say it116901:17:54,570 --> 01:18:00,060is dead. In the sense it is deadin the sense that it is it will117001:18:00,060 --> 01:18:04,950be clear at that point thatpeople do not want comments in117101:18:04,950 --> 01:18:05,700their podcasts.117201:18:06,030 --> 01:18:09,090I think that's clear already.Honestly, I think it's clear.117301:18:09,810 --> 01:18:14,010Okay. i To me, the lightningcomments is one thing because117401:18:14,010 --> 01:18:17,670it's booster grams, it's alwayspositive. There's no, I've not117501:18:17,670 --> 01:18:23,430seen someone boost anything andsay this show sucks. Yeah. Or117601:18:23,430 --> 01:18:27,780even even, I haven't even seenanyone do spam. And you know,117701:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,320which will be interesting if youpay to pay to play spam or ads117801:18:31,320 --> 01:18:37,410or whatever. And it goes bothways, Dave, there's zero demand117901:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,760from listeners. And there'sreally very little motivation118001:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,850from app developers. So and I'mokay with that.118101:18:45,330 --> 01:18:48,990Maybe people want comments intheir social media apps, and118201:18:48,990 --> 01:18:51,090they want podcasts in theirpodcast apps118301:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,740could be totally true. Butthat's very possible. I still118401:18:55,740 --> 01:18:58,320think there's an interestingplace for noster. I'm not quite118501:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,340sure where except I came up withthe same thing, pod pig. That118601:19:02,340 --> 01:19:03,990would be very interesting to seejust,118701:19:04,650 --> 01:19:07,260just, yeah, just another memberof the pod paying family. I118801:19:07,260 --> 01:19:07,650mean, I could118901:19:07,650 --> 01:19:15,300see someone build a podcast appbased on noster. If you haven't119001:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,760been you haven't, if you havethe appropriate bridges. Why119101:19:17,760 --> 01:19:23,040not? Oh, I mean, you could havea noster publish your RSS feed?119201:19:25,350 --> 01:19:25,980Correct.119301:19:27,930 --> 01:19:31,680Like the entire thing over Nasr,the whole URL or the I like the119401:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,170XML content of the feed? Mm hmm.Maybe?119501:19:35,700 --> 01:19:43,140More or a link to it. Those? Idon't know. I just think that119601:19:43,380 --> 01:19:48,210I'm just I am not viewing nosteras a social network. I view it119701:19:48,210 --> 01:19:51,330as a whole different beast andthe chest thing Chester?119801:19:53,550 --> 01:20:00,360Ornette, ah, yes, c h e SSTR.That kind of got me right Oh,119901:20:00,450 --> 01:20:03,450you could have any kind ofapplication. And you can120001:20:03,450 --> 01:20:06,930communicate to a whole bunch ofpeople. It's, in a way, it's a120101:20:06,930 --> 01:20:11,910little bit like IPFS I guess.Not the storage side, but the120201:20:11,910 --> 01:20:14,910notification side and thesubscription side. These are120301:20:14,910 --> 01:20:16,140this is not bad.120401:20:17,760 --> 01:20:26,040So the this solves a similar,it's a, I keep fall starting120501:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,640here. Okay, here, here's,here's, here's, here's what I'm120601:20:29,640 --> 01:20:35,520trying to say. There is a pushback against blockchains from120701:20:35,550 --> 01:20:39,480the Bitcoin community right now.The Bitcoin No, no, no,120801:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,980no, no, no, there are BitcoinMaxis, who are assholes. And120901:20:43,980 --> 01:20:46,800they run around and they tellpeople that they shouldn't be121001:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,140doing this and shouldn't bedoing that. And they're assholes121101:20:49,140 --> 01:20:52,230about it. And it's verydisappointing that people do121201:20:52,230 --> 01:20:54,960that. That's what you I'll justsay it for you. Because I think121301:20:54,960 --> 01:20:55,860that's what you want to say.121401:20:56,940 --> 01:21:02,790And that's so like, you hearpeople say, in this I was121501:21:02,790 --> 01:21:07,650listening to I think it was theKevin rook show. And they were121601:21:07,650 --> 01:21:09,600saying, you know, not everythingneeds to be a blockchain, not121701:21:09,630 --> 01:21:13,830just not Kevin, but his guest.Some lightning developer, not121801:21:13,830 --> 01:21:15,960everything needs to beblockchain. And that's true as121901:21:15,960 --> 01:21:22,680100% true that that is that isincontrovertible. But I think122001:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,790this just the nostre thing hastaken everybody because it's122101:21:26,820 --> 01:21:30,900sort of like the firstexpression of this this from122201:21:30,900 --> 01:21:35,970within the within the club, soto speak. And he has really122301:21:35,970 --> 01:21:39,600taken people but you know, bystorm, and people are wanting to122401:21:40,230 --> 01:21:43,470find great things to do with it.And there's money there and that122501:21:43,470 --> 01:21:46,350kind of thing. And it's allfine. It's all fine. It's all122601:21:46,350 --> 01:21:51,780fine. I'm, I'm fine with it. ButI just I'm just, I'm tired of122701:21:51,780 --> 01:21:53,130putting all my eggs in onebasket.122801:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,850I hear your brother. I hear you.Yeah. And so So I came up with122901:21:56,850 --> 01:22:05,550one final thing. noster mightwork might work well, to either123001:22:05,550 --> 01:22:11,820bridge for a lit chat, or be thelive chat. Because not everybody123101:22:11,820 --> 01:22:14,310has an IRC server what we'recurrently using,123201:22:14,340 --> 01:22:19,230Oh, get on to it for furtherephemeral. Yes. Yeah. Okay, that123301:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,200that, I think because you canhave that in the app. Here's123401:22:22,200 --> 01:22:27,750your chat room for this podcast.For this podcast. Yeah. And then123501:22:27,750 --> 01:22:31,620maybe if it's a femoral or not,I'm not sure. Maybe that can123601:22:31,620 --> 01:22:34,290stick around and can be attachedto the episode.123701:22:36,060 --> 01:22:38,460I don't think anybody wantstheir chat sticking around. I123801:22:38,460 --> 01:22:42,570think everybody wants it to justbe ephemeral. That's not123901:22:42,570 --> 01:22:46,410entirely true. I, I want it tostick around. I like it.124001:22:46,410 --> 01:22:48,450I traverse ISO me.124101:22:49,260 --> 01:22:53,040I like it. Because I've I'vealways enjoyed watching a replay124201:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,700of the chat in real time.YouTube does that often.124301:22:57,930 --> 01:23:00,780How long does things how long?Do things stick around in124401:23:00,780 --> 01:23:01,320noster?124501:23:03,270 --> 01:23:05,670That's a good question. I don'tknow if there's an expiration124601:23:05,670 --> 01:23:06,930on? I don't know,124701:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,570is it? Is it like Snapchat,where they hit it?124801:23:09,570 --> 01:23:12,570Just? No, I think I think itdepends on the relay that you're124901:23:12,570 --> 01:23:17,490hitting. The relay will haverules and stuff set up.125001:23:19,830 --> 01:23:22,320But either way, good point.That's a good that's a good one125101:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,330though. I like I liked that Idid that make you know,125201:23:24,330 --> 01:23:29,190honestly, that Roy had mentionednostre to me the other day? That125301:23:29,190 --> 01:23:37,200may I was interpreting his hiscomment is his talk with me as125401:23:37,200 --> 01:23:42,030cross up comments. He may havebeen meaning chat. I'd taught125501:23:42,030 --> 01:23:43,200him about I give him a call.125601:23:43,290 --> 01:23:48,300Oh, this he doesn't call meanymore. No, is he just blows me125701:23:48,300 --> 01:23:48,990off now.125801:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,260He's too busy doing conferenceswith with Ben Brown of London. I125901:23:55,260 --> 01:23:59,310mean, what he's doing and Brianof London is speaking at a126001:23:59,310 --> 01:24:04,680Bitcoin Conference with Roy insome way. It is what Brian said.126101:24:04,950 --> 01:24:08,700All right. Is this all of theseplease tell me Is this a virtual126201:24:08,700 --> 01:24:13,290one? I mean, is Brian gonna havea bulletproof vest on? You126301:24:13,290 --> 01:24:19,290better walk walking in with ahive t shirt? This is great. To126401:24:19,290 --> 01:24:23,430have a helmet and by the way,who do I see on noster? Brian of126501:24:23,430 --> 01:24:23,970London.126601:24:24,599 --> 01:24:26,519Oh, is he on the Oh yeah,protocol.126701:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,660So that may be an interestingway to do it to tie it into lit126801:24:31,980 --> 01:24:34,440that might like that, that mightbe something worth doing. That126901:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,990might be something worth doingbecause that that could be just127001:24:36,990 --> 01:24:42,810something that that just flowsalong with the app. You signify127101:24:42,840 --> 01:24:50,580either a relay you signal relay,or I guess, some some noster ID127201:24:50,580 --> 01:24:51,300or something.127301:24:51,809 --> 01:24:54,929Well, global identities botherme a little bit like I don't I'm127401:24:54,929 --> 01:25:00,689not that seems creepy. And butbut in this context That's127501:25:00,689 --> 01:25:05,039probably not as big of an issuebecause you mean you X sort of127601:25:05,039 --> 01:25:08,729salt serves the role of of anickserv within us. Exactly.127701:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,150Exactly. You don't have toreregister. Yeah. Or you can127801:25:12,150 --> 01:25:15,570register a separately on everysingle show if you want to be a127901:25:15,570 --> 01:25:16,380different person.128001:25:16,769 --> 01:25:20,639Right, this and that's this.Yeah. This is a good idea. I128101:25:20,639 --> 01:25:21,509like this idea.128201:25:21,750 --> 01:25:26,340Okay. Hold on a second. Where'sthat thing? Where's my gavel?128301:25:26,970 --> 01:25:28,680In the minutes? Just put in128401:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,140there. That is ephemeral.128501:25:31,740 --> 01:25:32,910Chat. noster.128601:25:33,240 --> 01:25:42,420Adopted. Okay, ephemeral him 12chat, pimp. 12. Adopted. Okay.128701:25:42,450 --> 01:25:47,340Okay. What the hell we just did,but okay. Good to go.128801:25:48,570 --> 01:25:51,510Just a general comment about theslowdown in the pace of128901:25:51,510 --> 01:25:56,670namespace work. That'sintentional. I'm sorry, I'm not129001:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,260ignoring the namespace. But Isee the discussions happening129101:26:01,260 --> 01:26:04,080there. But I feel like this isanother one of these periods.129201:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,180We've had these before. We needto slow down a little bit and129301:26:06,180 --> 01:26:09,630let people catch up. There'sbeen a lot, there's been a lot129401:26:09,630 --> 01:26:15,270of stuff. I mean, we're writingfeeds generators for radio129501:26:15,270 --> 01:26:20,010stations to try to get them touse. If we just keep pledges129601:26:20,010 --> 01:26:22,650plowing through and creatingfeature feature feature feature129701:26:22,650 --> 01:26:25,830for you. I mean, like it just,we, we need a little bit of we129801:26:25,830 --> 01:26:27,660need a little bit of breather.We need a breather here for a129901:26:27,660 --> 01:26:29,940couple of months. I agree. Iagree. And then bring back130001:26:29,940 --> 01:26:33,090everything. We push the TXTrecord fast. So we're, I think130101:26:33,090 --> 01:26:34,410we need to slow down just a bit,130201:26:34,710 --> 01:26:40,620and wanted to welcome a newdeveloper, David Foley, also130301:26:40,620 --> 01:26:44,190known as Grand Duke, DavidFoley. Come in, and he is130401:26:44,190 --> 01:26:46,950creating a 2.0 app for roku.130501:26:48,150 --> 01:26:50,490Beautiful, nice. Yeah,130601:26:50,490 --> 01:26:53,310the first thing he said was,Hey, man, these images are130701:26:53,310 --> 01:26:59,130pretty big. They are you know,and thank Thank you. James130801:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,010Cridland because James jumped inright away and gave all the130901:27:02,010 --> 01:27:04,560infos Well, here's, you know,we've wanted this for a long131001:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,200time. Here's, here's how I doit. Here's how you can get the131101:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,980smaller sizes. I was beautiful.So now he's off to the races.131201:27:11,220 --> 01:27:13,500Yeah, I'm gonna grab Nathan tobe on the show with us Nathan131301:27:13,500 --> 01:27:16,200gathright Because he's, he'sbuilt. He's got two or three131401:27:16,230 --> 01:27:21,480projects, 2.0 oriented projectsthat he's got in the fire. One131501:27:21,480 --> 01:27:24,660of them is an image resizingservice. Finally, you know,131601:27:24,660 --> 01:27:27,030we've been doing that for whatforever and he's also doing a131701:27:27,030 --> 01:27:30,600transcript that steno.fmTranscript service and that kind131801:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,150of thing, so we need to grab himto get it get on how131901:27:33,150 --> 01:27:37,500do we how do we integrate? Canwe put the image service into a132001:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,470split or is that actuallysomething that might work better132101:27:40,470 --> 01:27:42,060with an LSAT just132201:27:42,150 --> 01:27:45,240actually almost texted him theother day and asked that same132301:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,020question. Can we pay for thiswith with with a with a132401:27:49,019 --> 01:27:51,869split? Yeah. Okay.132501:27:52,500 --> 01:27:54,150We will get him on the show.We'll password132601:27:54,150 --> 01:27:58,050we are so thinking the same?Yeah, it's Christmas. Just132701:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,000Christmas spirit. It is theChristmas spirit. We're132801:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,950also Dean Martin and Barolos.132901:28:03,390 --> 01:28:05,070Know, what is this?133001:28:05,970 --> 01:28:08,610Yeah, you know, the theChristmas music was just was get133101:28:08,610 --> 01:28:10,140everybody thinking in the samedirection.133201:28:10,410 --> 01:28:13,680Christina and I are watching oneChristmas movie every night.133301:28:14,670 --> 01:28:16,170When Okay, give me your lineup.133401:28:16,650 --> 01:28:19,530Well, it's it's a lot. We'retrying to watch ones we haven't133501:28:19,530 --> 01:28:22,290watched before that she hadnever seen White Christmas,133601:28:22,680 --> 01:28:28,560which is well worth watching. Ithought you know, and it's been133701:28:28,560 --> 01:28:36,120Crosby, Danny K. Clooney,Rosemary Clooney. is black and133801:28:36,120 --> 01:28:41,430why you know, it's it's just thewhole thing is it's also133901:28:41,460 --> 01:28:46,500Hollywood studio is so obvious.The backdrop. But yeah, but big134001:28:46,500 --> 01:28:49,740Crosby man. He does have asmooth, beautiful voice you134101:28:49,740 --> 01:28:53,070listen to him saying it's like Ithe guy could sing too bad that134201:28:53,070 --> 01:28:58,110he was I think he abused hiswife thing was a wife beater.134301:28:58,140 --> 01:29:01,560No, no, I didn't tell Tina thatwe're watching because I knew134401:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,790we'd have to turn it off rightaway.134501:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,340We also is and who's the othercrooner? Guy, Andy. Andy134601:29:08,340 --> 01:29:10,950Williams. Anyway, EMS Yes, AndyWilliams.134701:29:12,180 --> 01:29:15,240And so there's a new one withWill Ferrell though. I think134801:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,930it's called spirited. So we'rewatching that tonight. The134901:29:18,930 --> 01:29:21,450Christmas movie? Yes. Yeah.Yeah, he has a new Christmas135001:29:21,450 --> 01:29:24,360movie. So you know that's gonnabe spirited135101:29:24,390 --> 01:29:28,500will will. Me and Marigoldwashed Krampus the other night.135201:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,600Also a good one is good. It'sjust good. Like, no. You're just135301:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,540like, who cares? It's just agood like, goofy watch.135401:29:36,570 --> 01:29:41,730So spirited. Spirited is WillFerrell Ryan Reynolds right135501:29:41,730 --> 01:29:45,030there. That's enough for me.Yeah, you sold me if you throw135601:29:45,030 --> 01:29:51,990in some Tracy Morgan just youknow for some diversity. And I135701:29:51,990 --> 01:29:54,780think it's like the Scroogestory, but it's a musical. So135801:29:54,780 --> 01:29:55,710it'll be great.135901:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,970Can't wait to meet the old BillMurray Scrooge. That's a classic136001:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,280bathrobe. bathrobe VCR, VCR.That's how I did it this year.136101:30:06,090 --> 01:30:09,540VCR, VCR. Bitcoin wallet.136201:30:10,350 --> 01:30:13,920Thank you, brother. You sent mea Bitcoin wallet in the mail.136301:30:14,220 --> 01:30:18,720And I got it. It is the Oculus.This thing is is beautiful to136401:30:18,720 --> 01:30:19,020look at.136501:30:19,050 --> 01:30:21,900Well, you shamed me because yousent me a beautiful book. We136601:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,950haven't exchanged gifts ever.And ever and all of a sudden out136701:30:25,950 --> 01:30:27,600of the blue, you send me a nicegift136801:30:28,170 --> 01:30:32,220for the flag away the lives wedon't do that we will. We will136901:30:32,220 --> 01:30:35,550Reese will stop this. We willnot do this again.137001:30:35,580 --> 01:30:40,530No, no, I like it. I had funshopping for you. Like what137101:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,060was it to get Daler wallet? Thisthing is so nice. Yeah, it was137201:30:45,060 --> 01:30:45,750beautiful.137301:30:45,870 --> 01:30:50,610Well, it's a badass. It's a youknow, basically. What is it near137401:30:50,610 --> 01:30:54,180field communication card lookslike a credit card. And that's137501:30:54,180 --> 01:30:58,650your, that's your key. And soyou lose that card, or you lose137601:30:58,650 --> 01:31:03,030the phone, either one, you'reback to your seeds, your seed137701:31:03,030 --> 01:31:07,860words, then you have tripleauthentication. So it's the137801:31:07,860 --> 01:31:12,780card. It's a biometric. And it'sa pin. So you can set it up. So137901:31:12,780 --> 01:31:16,470you can look at what you haveand accept and receive. But you138001:31:16,470 --> 01:31:19,290can't send unless you have allof the pieces put together. You138101:31:19,290 --> 01:31:21,390can leave the card at home andyour vault, you know, then it's138201:31:21,390 --> 01:31:25,230basically a cold wallet. I lovethat thing. And that's kind of138301:31:25,230 --> 01:31:27,540my main my main wallet now thatI use,138401:31:27,990 --> 01:31:31,110I think I'm going to use it asthe cold card. It also makes you138501:31:31,110 --> 01:31:33,690feel like a total badasscharacter from Gattaca or138601:31:33,690 --> 01:31:35,370something like that when you usethis thing.138701:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,860Just tap myself in Yeah. Does ithave that vibe to it? I138801:31:40,860 --> 01:31:46,290agree getting on the rocket togo to space. What is your what138901:31:46,290 --> 01:31:50,160is your favorite version ofChristmas story? Because there139001:31:50,160 --> 01:31:55,170are multiple versions of Ma. I'mam not a purist in the sense139101:31:55,170 --> 01:31:59,010that I like the colorizedversion better than the black139201:31:59,010 --> 01:32:02,520and white. But it still but ithas to have the part that they139301:32:02,520 --> 01:32:03,240removed.139401:32:03,990 --> 01:32:05,460Now which one are you talkingabout?139501:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,480The It's A Wonderful Life,139601:32:09,510 --> 01:32:11,700which Oh, It's a Wonderful Life.Okay. Yeah.139701:32:12,150 --> 01:32:14,490I like the part that like, youknow, they removed that part139801:32:14,490 --> 01:32:16,110where she's hiding in the bush.Oh,139901:32:16,110 --> 01:32:18,270I didn't know any of that.Didn't know that was censored.140001:32:18,630 --> 01:32:19,590Yes. It was censored.140101:32:20,010 --> 01:32:24,150Like, you know, the part wherehe's still the robe from her.140201:32:24,150 --> 01:32:27,270Yes. And she's hiding in thebush or whatever. They cut that140301:32:27,270 --> 01:32:31,320part out. It was in Italy atsome point, like maybe in the140401:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,090last 1015 years. So I like Ilike the pure there, the uncut140501:32:36,090 --> 01:32:37,470version, but colorized140601:32:39,990 --> 01:32:44,220I like pure I like pure, pureblack and white. Yeah, black and140701:32:44,220 --> 01:32:48,120white, for sure. 100%. Butreally, there's only one140801:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,880Christmas story. And it's theone that I have read to my140901:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,500daughter, and was read to meevery single Christmas Eve for141001:32:55,500 --> 01:32:58,650as long as I can remember. Itwas the night before Christmas.141101:32:59,100 --> 01:33:02,220And all through the house. Not acreature was stirring not even a141201:33:02,220 --> 01:33:07,380mouse with my minor in hercurfew for me and my cat. We had141301:33:07,380 --> 01:33:10,800just settled down for a longwinter's nap, et cetera, et141401:33:10,800 --> 01:33:16,440cetera, et cetera et cetera, etcetera, et cetera. I said no, I141501:33:16,440 --> 01:33:20,400love that. I love Christmas.Christmas is a good vibe. It's a141601:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,340good vibe. And Happy Hanukkah,everybody. While we're at it,141701:33:23,340 --> 01:33:26,100yes. Day five. I think ofHanukkah.141801:33:27,150 --> 01:33:29,280Do we want to thanks thankfulpeople? Yeah,141901:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,740we do have some booster gramsthat have been coming in. So142001:33:31,740 --> 01:33:35,310I'll hit those. Right off thebat. Hold on a second. Let me142101:33:35,820 --> 01:33:42,810get all set here. Where are we?Okay, here we are. We got Dred142201:33:42,810 --> 01:33:48,240Scott 3333 boosting for the Rokuapp and another Dred Scott 3333.142301:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,890Pew pew pew. Yeah, you could dosome news for you. No problem.142401:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880Steven B 1111. You know whatwould solve this cross app142501:33:56,880 --> 01:34:03,810comments thing? Dot dot dothive. I did want to mention how142601:34:03,810 --> 01:34:08,190we got a note from Ken the codedid you see this from Ken? Ken142701:34:08,190 --> 01:34:12,480has set up hive the hive tube?Yeah, I haven't. I haven't142801:34:12,480 --> 01:34:17,190played with it. But he has Hidash tube.com Okay, hey guys,142901:34:17,190 --> 01:34:19,770we're listening to you for thefirst time loving your show143001:34:19,770 --> 01:34:25,050referred to you by Brian TGIFand Hollywood, Byron, TGIF and143101:34:25,050 --> 01:34:28,560Hollywood. He lives in AcapulcoI've built hive too but does143201:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,040audio video podcasts, audiobooks, music, live streams143301:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,940movies, it'll wash your car anddo the dishes. It also uses143401:34:35,940 --> 01:34:39,270activity pub with the hiveblockchain and of course for143501:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,960user commenting a voting tippingeven automated recurring tips143601:34:42,990 --> 01:34:48,000which is my Patreon killer. Ihave not looked at this. He also143701:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,480wants to put live online radiostations on hive tube so we know143801:34:51,480 --> 01:34:55,230this is something to just wantto mention hive to hive dash143901:34:55,230 --> 01:34:56,040tube.com144001:34:56,130 --> 01:34:58,740That'd be pretty not a hive guybut I love it when people build144101:34:58,740 --> 01:35:00,810stuff me too. I get it Stay foryou, man.144201:35:00,840 --> 01:35:07,290Hello, Sam Saffi Hello SamSethi. 100,000 SAS just came in144301:35:10,230 --> 01:35:12,060very nicely and Tom Jones144401:35:14,460 --> 01:35:17,640The Indian Tom Jones. I don'tknow why you said that, but I144501:35:17,640 --> 01:35:18,030like it.144601:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,300He referred to himself as thaton the on the pod news weekly.144701:35:21,420 --> 01:35:26,970Oh, no, I must have missed that3333 From chat F verifying my144801:35:26,970 --> 01:35:30,150account on noster he sent hispublic key Thank you very much.144901:35:31,050 --> 01:35:35,730austere dot directory MartinLinda's code rush boost 2112145001:35:36,060 --> 01:35:39,420Couldn't mass of WordPressTumblr Pocket Casts fix the145101:35:39,420 --> 01:35:48,390cross comments thingy? No, no wehave Bhumi 21,000 saps can't145201:35:48,390 --> 01:35:51,360listen live want to stop by andwish you guys happy holidays145301:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,930looking forward to the nextgreat podcasting 2.0 year and I145401:35:54,930 --> 01:36:00,930could not agree more. All of thegood Albie guys great to have145501:36:00,930 --> 01:36:08,340you in our in our in our sphere.Really enjoy it? Yeah. striper145601:36:08,340 --> 01:36:12,270boosts from Eric p p 7777. MerryChristmas to you guys. Thank you145701:36:12,270 --> 01:36:19,530very much Blueberry. Blueberry22,222 That would be a super row145801:36:19,530 --> 01:36:22,710of ducks and definitely deservesa little bit of document they're145901:36:24,660 --> 01:36:27,840meant to have more SATs on thelast one. I guess he boosted146001:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,010gram before here's an ISO forDave. Okay, hold on a second.146101:36:32,639 --> 01:36:35,609Need to random audio from abooster gram always146201:36:35,730 --> 01:36:43,260always great. Let's see herethat's not entirely true. Okay,146301:36:43,290 --> 01:36:49,440boy, I know we're all over theplace. Number 2112 from Martin146401:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,860Linda's code come on back Daveboot Yes, that's when we when146501:36:52,860 --> 01:36:57,060you dropped out earlier I'm 5554from Dred Scott boosting for the146601:36:57,060 --> 01:37:00,360boot when you're gone we wereentertaining ourselves146701:37:01,530 --> 01:37:04,290Martin even though it takesforever for me to realize I'm146801:37:04,290 --> 01:37:09,300gone and I'm like you're on aroll it out and then I'm like146901:37:09,300 --> 01:37:11,520wait Adam is really solid Oh147001:37:12,540 --> 01:37:16,7706969 from blueberry my two centson paywalled shows as we talked147101:37:16,770 --> 01:37:19,350about earlier there's only beentwo I've paid for upfront to147201:37:19,350 --> 01:37:22,170access the second half one beingthe higher side chats and other147301:37:22,170 --> 01:37:25,320is Great America outlawedawesome shows, but I don't care147401:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,700for set it and forget producingthe other foot is I assume most147501:37:29,700 --> 01:37:32,520paywalled shows will never belive which is kind of you know,147601:37:32,550 --> 01:37:37,470not lit. Yes. We got it. It'skind of not lit. Yeah. 10101147701:37:37,470 --> 01:37:40,590from Steven Be Merry Christmaspodcasting. 2.0 was like a147801:37:40,590 --> 01:37:43,530subscription to the jelly of theMonth Club. It's a gift that147901:37:43,530 --> 01:37:47,220keeps on giving all year.Beautiful Man. Thank you. Then148001:37:47,220 --> 01:37:52,560we have 33,333 from firms sirSpencer, long lived value for148101:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,890value. The most detrimentaleffect of the paywall. Patreon148201:37:55,890 --> 01:38:00,120model is the ceiling you put onyourself. We just read a $100148301:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,520check in the mail last Tuesdayin the week before we had a148401:38:02,520 --> 01:38:07,500$122.22 cent donation for ourson's birthday. These types of148501:38:07,500 --> 01:38:11,430donations are not even possibleoutside the V for V model. V148601:38:11,430 --> 01:38:14,880four v is tough to grok untilyou participate on both sides of148701:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,580the value exchange. Good point.148801:38:17,850 --> 01:38:18,960That is a good point.148901:38:18,990 --> 01:38:23,040That's why few understand allcaps. Merry Christmas, Dave and149001:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,920Adam. Thank you Spencer. I'mgoing to add this to my arsenal.149101:38:26,220 --> 01:38:29,460You can't understand it as apodcast or until you've lived it149201:38:29,460 --> 01:38:30,330as a listener.149301:38:31,170 --> 01:38:33,690You get to understand it you gotto do it.149401:38:34,290 --> 01:38:39,450Very astute. Yes. 3333 from Chadf this is why I love streaming149501:38:39,450 --> 01:38:44,070sad so much I pay while I listenand we love it as well. 5555149601:38:44,070 --> 01:38:48,870from Dred Scott another pew pew3333 from servo I have nothing149701:38:48,870 --> 01:38:51,420interesting to say but sendingan empty booster Graham feels149801:38:51,420 --> 01:39:00,240wrong. Yes it is. 77,777 SATsfrom Mike Newman. Thank you very149901:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,110much Mike for Christmas Hanukkahstriper boost wishing Felice150001:39:04,110 --> 01:39:07,920Navidad to the boardroom and weappreciate it then we have just150101:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,870the absolute Allah150201:39:09,929 --> 01:39:13,679Sakala 20 his blades on am Paula150301:39:13,710 --> 01:39:20,880dred Scott's booster grams checkthis out. 555,555 cent from post150401:39:20,880 --> 01:39:26,730ematic my first boost failed dueto index node busy. I don't150501:39:26,730 --> 01:39:30,720think so. Boosting for thegenerator trauma and for Dave's150601:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,160heating Merry Christmas.150701:39:32,849 --> 01:39:36,809Yes. To melt the ice from theWindows side of the windows150801:39:36,990 --> 01:39:43,1703333 from en for VX PC 202 Themoon thank you for your coding150901:39:43,170 --> 01:39:45,330and there's another Dred Scott Ithink this is the one he thought151001:39:45,330 --> 01:39:52,350that didn't send I don't know.Oh, he sent another 555,555 with151101:39:52,350 --> 01:39:55,200the same note boosting for thegenerator trauma and then we151201:39:55,200 --> 01:40:00,960have Drib on pod verse with333,330 Three boosting for the151301:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,280generator tramo drip, if you'dlike some of these back, we're151401:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,980happy to send some back brotherbecause I think you might have151501:40:08,190 --> 01:40:11,610and I've had this happen withfountain where I split it down.151601:40:11,730 --> 01:40:15,570No, no, no that's that's breezebreeze you hold the button down.151701:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,360You're just you're spewing SATseverywhere. It's like it's like151801:40:18,360 --> 01:40:26,010an Uzi of SATs. Coincidence. Andno,151901:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,410I think you get a phone call.152001:40:28,440 --> 01:40:33,840Yeah. Hey, this show hasprecedence. No on fountain it152101:40:33,840 --> 01:40:39,090happened twice. I send a big assboost a b, a b, two. I think it152201:40:39,090 --> 01:40:45,420was pod news. Pod news weeklyreview. And the app said sorry,152301:40:45,420 --> 01:40:49,800something went wrong. Check yourwallet, checked a wallet. I saw152401:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,350nothing went back did it again.Then I went back to the wallet152501:40:52,350 --> 01:40:56,580and saw that I had boosted thesame amount twice. So there's152601:40:56,580 --> 01:41:01,380something and that was I don'tknow if that's found an idea.152701:41:01,830 --> 01:41:06,810Or an idea. For a sanity check.There would be very good idea.152801:41:06,870 --> 01:41:11,280Keep the last. Keep the lastboost or something about some152901:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,360sort of hash or something if itends up if the app tries to send153001:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,810the same thing again. Yeah, likewarn the user like are you sure153101:41:18,810 --> 01:41:21,000you want to do this? It lookslike this may be a great idea.153201:41:21,450 --> 01:41:26,340Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's agood idea. We have tone wrecker.153301:41:26,370 --> 01:41:29,9401111. The Art of Noise stylepercussion jam pre show roll was153401:41:29,940 --> 01:41:30,540loopable153501:41:32,070 --> 01:41:34,650Well, it's a lot of words andthat boosts I153601:41:34,650 --> 01:41:41,610know. I see Brooklyn 112 Bigstriper. 77,777 Merry153701:41:41,610 --> 01:41:46,110podcasting. Here's some candy Ohcandy canes. Yeah. Oh sevens are153801:41:46,110 --> 01:41:50,880candy canes. That's a good one.I like that like that. The NA153901:41:50,880 --> 01:41:55,680Millennials 16,630 HappyFestivus hope to hear some cross154001:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,860app common grievances beingaired well we did deliver didn't154101:41:58,860 --> 01:42:04,230weigh or whatever we delivered.Blueberry comes in with the154201:42:04,260 --> 01:42:09,990counterbalance to the striperboosts This is the 66,666 Boost154301:42:10,020 --> 01:42:18,150Hello Satan. Okay, why do godknows that hatchet and Katana154401:42:18,150 --> 01:42:22,500were ordered? We ordered finallyarrived now when you boost154501:42:22,500 --> 01:42:28,29066,066 Live to BTS you have oneof three ways to murder a goat154601:42:29,100 --> 01:42:32,280sorry forward slash me checknotes. There's four I got the154701:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,550chain Sword came in late lastnight. Nobody called the police154801:42:35,550 --> 01:42:40,740because this is very legal. Wow.You if that had come in in154901:42:40,740 --> 01:42:43,140anything but a booster gram Iwould not have read it.155001:42:44,099 --> 01:42:49,199No and you would have done andthey would have gotten $2,500155101:42:49,229 --> 01:42:50,159deducted from their pay pal155201:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,180can No kidding. Yeah, rightaway. 2112 again for Martin155301:42:54,180 --> 01:42:58,470Linda's coke Mary Yuletide andhas a whole question about what155401:42:58,470 --> 01:43:02,280music we listened to during theholidays. Yes. Dave listens to155501:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,890rush. I listened to KylieMinogue response.155601:43:05,639 --> 01:43:08,579You know, the John DenverChristmas album rhodamine. Chris155701:43:08,609 --> 01:43:09,749Dobby does,155801:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,400from RSS blue.com 25,000 setsand to us from Brees. Merry155901:43:14,400 --> 01:43:19,560Christmas. And thank you verymuch. And I think that is pretty156001:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,190much what I have. If anythingelse came in overnight. I missed156101:43:23,190 --> 01:43:28,830it on my node because ofprevious power outages. And156201:43:28,860 --> 01:43:31,500maybe we should just head overand thank the people that you156301:43:31,500 --> 01:43:33,750have on your on your list. Davehave got156401:43:33,750 --> 01:43:40,020a gotta make good boost fromlast week from chyron. I think I156501:43:40,020 --> 01:43:43,140cut off the timing a little bittoo quickly. And so I didn't get156601:43:43,140 --> 01:43:46,830his boost on there. But it's2222 and he says if when I start156701:43:46,830 --> 01:43:50,280a podcasting 2.0 Colt, this willbecome one of the tenets156801:43:50,340 --> 01:43:53,400probably closer to when Isolemnly swear to respect the156901:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,520splits. I solemnly swear torespect the splits.157001:43:59,640 --> 01:44:00,480Were happy.157101:44:01,020 --> 01:44:03,690Yes. You must proclaimallegiance to the split.157201:44:03,690 --> 01:44:06,630That was the title of the show.Yes, respect this.157301:44:07,710 --> 01:44:15,150We got two of ours. Every monthbig donors Marco Arment $500157401:44:15,150 --> 01:44:16,350Merry Christmas to us.157501:44:18,300 --> 01:44:22,350Sakala 20 is Blaze own AmbalaThank157601:44:22,350 --> 01:44:25,980you, Marco. Really appreciatethat man. And that's value that157701:44:25,980 --> 01:44:28,380is very, very much appreciated.157801:44:29,130 --> 01:44:34,980I'm really hoping that live itemis one of the things that comes157901:44:34,980 --> 01:44:38,190into overcast. It makes a lot ofsense and158001:44:38,190 --> 01:44:42,150makes sense for him to showyeah, the live show exam158101:44:42,150 --> 01:44:44,640because I see now on Monday nowthat they've moved all their158201:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,550stuff to Mastodon I see theposts they say we're going to be158301:44:47,550 --> 01:44:51,480live in 15 minutes, right likethat could just just make so158401:44:51,480 --> 01:44:55,950much more so much sense.Buzzsprout $500 Thank you The158501:44:55,950 --> 01:44:56,250boys158601:44:58,380 --> 01:45:02,100Sakala 22 Is bleh on I am Paula158701:45:02,130 --> 01:45:06,030and of month value for value isheartwarming.158801:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,700Yes. Thank you so much guys. Youare on their video thing.158901:45:11,910 --> 01:45:13,230Yes Did you Did you like it?159001:45:13,890 --> 01:45:16,410I've only watched the firstminute or so and I'm gonna159101:45:16,410 --> 01:45:17,130finish it up now they159201:45:17,130 --> 01:45:24,270didn't use my joke. What was thequestion was What do you think159301:45:24,270 --> 01:45:29,820about the t x t thing? And Isaid well I'm so happy because159401:45:29,820 --> 01:45:32,550we did this for one person onlywe only did it for James159501:45:32,550 --> 01:45:35,550Cridland said I liked gettingthe spam though I enjoyed159601:45:35,550 --> 01:45:39,570getting I enjoyed learning abouthow I could make money with159701:45:39,570 --> 01:45:42,300advertising and what greatguests I could get but you know159801:45:42,330 --> 01:45:45,570we love James so the wholeindustry made sure that we would159901:45:45,570 --> 01:45:49,260remove spam from James and I hada great rap about it and they I160001:45:49,260 --> 01:45:50,160don't think they used it.160101:45:50,700 --> 01:45:57,480Merry Christmas DJ we got someboosts Roy scheinfeld 54321160201:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,530Yay call me Roy you knowsometimes160301:46:01,770 --> 01:46:07,560He's Just Not That Into You he'snoster is different from AP160401:46:07,560 --> 01:46:11,910matrix etc it's really simpleand super powerful hope you160501:46:11,910 --> 01:46:14,520don't mind if I explore itfurther not we don't mind at160601:46:14,520 --> 01:46:15,000all.160701:46:15,030 --> 01:46:18,360No put it out of court. Hey Roywell here's what you should do160801:46:18,480 --> 01:46:23,100get some lit stuff working inyour app boots and then and160901:46:23,100 --> 01:46:25,620integrated this I think webasically laid it out for him161001:46:25,620 --> 01:46:28,980right? Yeah, it's a perfect wayto do it perfect waited and we161101:46:29,010 --> 01:46:32,970love the work that you're doingon Pog so I just a little little161201:46:32,970 --> 01:46:39,180side note. The Johanna who cutsmy hair cutting my hair for over161301:46:39,180 --> 01:46:39,780a decade161401:46:40,170 --> 01:46:43,950is Johanna Johanna Johanna.Okay.161501:46:44,580 --> 01:46:49,410She's actually she's Syrian oforigin. And so Johanna, I've161601:46:49,410 --> 01:46:53,040known for 10 years she's cut myhair and I still go to Austin to161701:46:53,070 --> 01:46:57,060because I like chatting withher. And she always takes her161801:46:57,090 --> 01:47:00,750her payment through Venmo. Andof course she's now by cash,161901:47:01,020 --> 01:47:05,160like IKEA. They're gonna startto taxing everything that162001:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,340checking the $600 limit, notthat I don't think she was162101:47:08,400 --> 01:47:14,460futzing anything with her withnot paying taxes or anything but162201:47:14,460 --> 01:47:19,230it's oh it's irksome. This $600thing so you know what, let me162301:47:19,230 --> 01:47:25,440set you up. And so I set her upwith breeze. I put I put 500,000162401:47:25,440 --> 01:47:28,440SATs on there I said this isyour Christmas gift and all162501:47:28,440 --> 01:47:32,490gratuity I'll pay I'm going topay for my hair cut through162601:47:33,210 --> 01:47:37,470through Venmo I have one phonehere at home and the iPhone162701:47:37,470 --> 01:47:39,840seven that has I don't wantVenmo on any of my devices162801:47:39,840 --> 01:47:43,170except that one which I don'tuse so I'll pay for the for the162901:47:43,170 --> 01:47:47,370haircut but all gratuity will gothrough and I showed her I163001:47:47,370 --> 01:47:55,680showed her what is it the bitrefill? Bit refill? And she's163101:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,880like this is great. And thenshe's looking she said What's163201:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,760this podcast thing is Oh, that'sall the cool podcasts apps that163301:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,480you can support with she's likethis is interesting and she is163401:48:06,480 --> 01:48:11,700not a podcast listener not onapps she is a click play on the163501:48:11,700 --> 01:48:12,240website163601:48:13,170 --> 01:48:17,670so this may she may be a convertand bring you on boarded you163701:48:17,970 --> 01:48:21,870on boarded her breeze i did andit was a very I've had some bad163801:48:21,870 --> 01:48:25,650experiences onboarding to breezein the past this was a very very163901:48:25,650 --> 01:48:28,860pleasant very pleasantexperience and it worked right164001:48:28,860 --> 01:48:31,080did right there in the chair and164101:48:31,410 --> 01:48:37,440the the the the bad the bad partis that breeze no longer heats164201:48:37,440 --> 01:48:38,550up your phone so I164301:48:38,550 --> 01:48:41,040know it's no longer a footwarmer for me164401:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,490right yeah it's bad time of yearto switch onboard to switch to164501:48:44,490 --> 01:48:45,330hurry we really164601:48:45,330 --> 01:48:50,610I really do miss that heat andloss of battery power I miss164701:48:51,299 --> 01:48:54,209you too can convert lithium ionsinto into warm164801:48:55,710 --> 01:48:58,260needs Bitcoin miners when you'vegot breeze?164901:48:58,650 --> 01:49:01,680That's right, but not anymore.Not anymore. Cohen McCormick165001:49:01,710 --> 01:49:05,9102022 through fountain he sayshey, I love you guys love These165101:49:05,910 --> 01:49:09,450meetings. Oh, I will be makingthe move to self hosting America165201:49:09,450 --> 01:49:14,940plus before Castillo's chargesme again soon in 2023 will be me165301:49:14,940 --> 01:49:18,000building a node as well. Thefuture is in the value rocket165401:49:18,000 --> 01:49:18,360ship.165501:49:18,390 --> 01:49:21,030Yeah. Bruce165601:49:21,660 --> 01:49:25,890well see I don't know whereyou're gonna host Oh, Sal, oh,165701:49:25,890 --> 01:49:31,650self hosting sc sc 2222. No notefrom Mike Dell, or brother from165801:49:31,650 --> 01:49:36,390another mother at blueberryindeed. Oh, and he said he sent165901:49:36,390 --> 01:49:40,440us another 11234 SATs throughpod verse and he says I166001:49:40,440 --> 01:49:45,120predicted that ads suck. Ipredict that as well. And Mike166101:49:45,360 --> 01:49:51,120whoosh Yeah, we have the sameprediction. So funny do is166201:49:51,120 --> 01:49:58,230interesting that way. SLC 12,498SATs through fountain and he she166301:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,920says Pupu Musk is helping themMy relationship with MPC family166401:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,250members, they're surprised thatI don't trust him. And I explain166501:50:05,250 --> 01:50:10,350what WeChat is. Why are why areso many blind to this nonstarter166601:50:10,920 --> 01:50:15,030because people are too tooenamored with the distraction.166701:50:15,270 --> 01:50:19,560Oh look, the FBI was Dplatforming people no shit166801:50:19,560 --> 01:50:25,800Sherlock really can't believe itboost boost boost that special166901:50:25,800 --> 01:50:30,480announcement, no agenda,February one, it will be167001:50:30,720 --> 01:50:36,330accepting bitcoin for value forvalue and we should have it167101:50:36,360 --> 01:50:42,990plugged into into value forvalue booster grams, et cetera.167201:50:43,230 --> 01:50:47,550And this will be great becauseeverybody who wants to use this167301:50:47,550 --> 01:50:52,290system can can determine if theywant it to be sent to a bank167401:50:52,290 --> 01:50:58,140account in US dollars, orBitcoin or a combination you can167501:50:58,140 --> 01:51:01,470actually slide back and forthand we'll probably have one of167601:51:01,470 --> 01:51:04,170the ibex people on once that'sall working to talk about167701:51:04,170 --> 01:51:07,980because I think it's a gamechanger for people who want to167801:51:08,010 --> 01:51:12,870get into into value for valuewith their podcast. And just to167901:51:12,870 --> 01:51:15,780get started have a plop rightinto your bank account.168001:51:16,440 --> 01:51:19,860Eric p p says key sindelle Febone is that right? That's the168101:51:19,860 --> 01:51:23,310idea. Okay, two one on 2121Everybody168201:51:23,310 --> 01:51:26,580Q one Q one is going to be greatfor no agenda. We just keep168301:51:26,580 --> 01:51:30,030saying that in the hope thatsomeone will do something. q1 or168401:51:30,030 --> 01:51:30,960it's going to be great.168501:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,320This is the power of positivethinking manifest your own your168601:51:34,320 --> 01:51:39,660own beauty. SLC again 12,498Sastra fountain he says Damn, I168701:51:39,660 --> 01:51:44,250never knew I played the sax whenI was younger, but have but have168801:51:44,250 --> 01:51:47,910put away creepy things though.Oh, that's our I think we're168901:51:47,910 --> 01:51:55,620ribbon on sex. Sex. All right.Let's see a boost grant from169001:51:55,620 --> 01:52:00,960Bhumi. To the podcast indexwebsite, how you doing? 10,000169101:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,140SATs? How much 210,000169201:52:04,170 --> 01:52:10,770Hello, come on. 20 is Blaze onam Paulo come on in Bhoomi169301:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,050when we bought our booming, bigbooming baller,169401:52:13,200 --> 01:52:14,850go podcasting 2.0169501:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,500You gotta go podcast.169601:52:18,810 --> 01:52:23,010Mary Oscar, also known as Oscarmarason is 2450 through fountain169701:52:23,010 --> 01:52:28,470new note. Thank you Oscar. thankyou Steven crater 100,000 SATs169801:52:29,010 --> 01:52:30,840pod verse and he says MerryChristmas169901:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,630Thank you very much. That's sonice. How you170001:52:33,630 --> 01:52:38,970doing bleak? Appreciate youStephen a lot. setups.170101:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,270You know what Steven did? Hebasically got 100,000 SATs from170201:52:42,270 --> 01:52:46,770the split. That Rebecca gave itright back to us. I mean, I love170301:52:46,770 --> 01:52:48,660you for that man as beautiful.Yeah, thank you.170401:52:48,660 --> 01:52:51,600But But keep some for yourself.Stephen didn't please buy170501:52:51,600 --> 01:52:57,330yourself some nice. See dubs10101. Through podcast index170601:52:57,330 --> 01:53:01,770website, no note thank you seeDubs. 6969. From a citizen170701:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,970through the pod first app, hesays, you owe on part of the170801:53:05,970 --> 01:53:10,500show narcissism. That's notentirely true.170901:53:12,270 --> 01:53:18,360This isn't great. Oh, Dave, mybrother, what will happen we171001:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,920need to celebrate you and I.It's blood. It's public171101:53:22,920 --> 01:53:30,030information. So happen. We, asof right now.171201:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,080Officially, we crossed the limitand crossed the threshold,171301:53:34,080 --> 01:53:38,460we crossed the threshold podcastindex, which started out with a171401:53:38,460 --> 01:53:43,230$1,500 investment in whatever, Idon't remember how many sets171501:53:43,230 --> 01:53:48,540that was at the time. We havenow gotten to one Bitcoin. We171601:53:48,570 --> 01:53:48,870have a171701:53:48,870 --> 01:53:51,360full coin on the node171801:53:51,420 --> 01:53:55,740on the node a full coin on thenode Bouverie says,171901:53:55,830 --> 01:54:00,720are you having a baby? Baby,172001:54:00,990 --> 01:54:07,770we had a baby. Were100,000 18,212 Satoshis.172101:54:08,429 --> 01:54:11,639So we passed we crossed the onebitcoin threshold we cost172201:54:12,030 --> 01:54:16,710congratulations, Dave. We're notgonna we're not gonna see any of172301:54:16,710 --> 01:54:20,130that money. If we just leave itthere. That's for liquidity172401:54:20,130 --> 01:54:23,370people. If you need liquidity,let us know. We're here to help.172501:54:23,550 --> 01:54:27,030It's also to pay for the nodeitself, which is $150 a month172601:54:27,030 --> 01:54:30,270pretty much that bill comes duein January, I think. Oh, that's172701:54:30,270 --> 01:54:32,820right. And we pay that inBitcoin, don't we? Yeah. It's172801:54:32,820 --> 01:54:33,150like yeah,172901:54:33,150 --> 01:54:35,190we pay it cuz it's cheaper inBitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. I173001:54:35,190 --> 01:54:38,430think if we pay, we pay inBitcoin and works out to like,173101:54:38,430 --> 01:54:42,1201500 a year instead of, youknow, whatever. It was, like173201:54:42,120 --> 01:54:46,950150 a month. I think it's a lot.It's like 1800173301:54:47,130 --> 01:54:51,240Well, to be honest, the amountof service we get, is pretty173401:54:51,240 --> 01:54:55,530much 24/7. I mean, you know, Ican ping Graham and say, Dude, I173501:54:55,530 --> 01:54:58,650don't know what's going on. Andhe's always there. Always.173601:54:59,519 --> 01:55:02,639Yeah, I mean, when you'retalking about giving birth to173701:55:02,639 --> 01:55:05,759Bitcoin babies like this isimportant stuff he's like he's173801:55:05,759 --> 01:55:10,829like the dot he's the onobstetrician, podcast index173901:55:10,829 --> 01:55:11,579obstetrician,174001:55:11,610 --> 01:55:13,590he's the midwife let's just behonest.174101:55:17,250 --> 01:55:18,510Podcast midwife,174201:55:19,470 --> 01:55:23,100Graham from now on you have anickname my friend you are the174301:55:23,100 --> 01:55:25,920podcasting 2.0 midwife Nice.174401:55:26,010 --> 01:55:27,930Oh, what a great Christmaspresent. Thank174501:55:27,930 --> 01:55:30,870you all everybody this is reallyappreciate it because it's your174601:55:30,870 --> 01:55:34,290booths that have helped thisproject and, and I love that we174701:55:34,290 --> 01:55:36,090can just see where it all goes.There it is.174801:55:36,900 --> 01:55:42,630Yeah. Scott Scott is Corascutts. Scott's Acorah? Yeah.174901:55:42,630 --> 01:55:45,660Scott's the chorus in his 50,000says through fountain he says175001:55:45,660 --> 01:55:47,970thank you for a great year ofall the new developments you175101:55:47,970 --> 01:55:52,290have made in podcasting. Thankyou also, thank you for being my175201:55:52,290 --> 01:55:54,930absolute favorite over my headand I don't get any of it175301:55:54,930 --> 01:55:59,730podcasts. Your enthusiasm makesit all worth it. Yes. You don't175401:55:59,730 --> 01:56:02,700show up to understand it youjust show up for the enthusiasm175501:56:02,700 --> 01:56:03,330Who the hell no.175601:56:03,660 --> 01:56:05,190Do you think I know what I'mtalking about.175701:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,050That 2023 brings you many greatnew ideas fruitful developments175801:56:13,050 --> 01:56:15,450in tremendously fun timesenjoying that international175901:56:15,450 --> 01:56:18,750lifestyle. Scott from thetalking beards podcast, which176001:56:18,750 --> 01:56:21,960anyone is allowed to follow andboost to their heart's desire go176101:56:21,960 --> 01:56:23,520podcasting go podcast,176201:56:23,730 --> 01:56:25,920podcast, boost176301:56:28,440 --> 01:56:32,370gene been since elite boostthrough pod verse he says I like176401:56:32,370 --> 01:56:35,250the idea of booster gram seedingactivity post comment threads.176501:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,860Yep. Yeah, we got even more now.176601:56:38,580 --> 01:56:41,010More More noster gramseverything.176701:56:42,060 --> 01:56:46,110Yeah, exactly. Wilkinson sent us33 333 Three cast thematic.176801:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,570Thank you very much, man.Appreciate that.176901:56:49,590 --> 01:56:53,490Follow up with 3390s is emptyingthe vif resets for the year177001:56:53,640 --> 01:56:54,180thanks.177101:56:59,250 --> 01:57:03,900B glass sent us 2000 SATsthrough fountain no note. And177201:57:03,900 --> 01:57:08,910here's the here's the legendaryoften talked about but never177301:57:08,910 --> 01:57:13,710seen until now. aerostatic a 1.5million said boost through177401:57:13,710 --> 01:57:18,330fountain and he says I've triedtwice to boost 2 million sets177501:57:18,330 --> 01:57:21,570but I broke the system bothtimes. So let's see where the177601:57:21,570 --> 01:57:25,680line is. I'm upping the ante. Asalways, thanks for all you do to177701:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,710keep speech free. And thanks toOscar and felted for making it177801:57:28,710 --> 01:57:33,000easy. Booster grands aren'tbeing tracked by the FBI. Yet177901:57:33,030 --> 01:57:37,890bolo Sakala 20 is Blaze on amPaula178001:57:42,150 --> 01:57:45,420arrow statica Thank you brother.178101:57:45,420 --> 01:57:48,720I think he pushed us over thefinish line to the one bitcoin178201:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,160totally did totally178301:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,670did. And we we might not I waswondering if what's going to178401:57:53,670 --> 01:57:55,800happen for Christmas or NewYear's because I kind of been178501:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,910watching and I think I thinkyou're right. We wouldn't have178601:57:59,910 --> 01:58:02,850made it without without anybodyif we wouldn't have done none of178701:58:02,850 --> 01:58:07,110this would be happening with anyof our value participants in the178801:58:07,110 --> 01:58:08,850entire project, obviously.178901:58:09,269 --> 01:58:12,359Well, he he's like the it's notgoing to football team. The big179001:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,789fat guy that gets behind youpushes the running back over the179101:58:14,789 --> 01:58:24,539touchdown like I like grits.trug grits. sinas are true179201:58:24,539 --> 01:58:28,259grits. True grits. That's ittrue grits 1000 says through179301:58:28,259 --> 01:58:31,709fountain. He says that A is 400joke really hit home with me.179401:58:32,939 --> 01:58:36,689Oh, I'm glad you like he says Iwork for Costco. We still use179501:58:36,689 --> 01:58:37,889this. That garbage179601:58:37,890 --> 01:58:44,310system. Well. IBM as 400division was my client. Really?179701:58:44,340 --> 01:58:47,970Yeah, we built a website forthem. That could not run on the179801:58:47,970 --> 01:58:48,810NAOs 400.179901:58:51,720 --> 01:58:55,710My dad was an ace 400 programmerfor his entire career. You can180001:58:56,550 --> 01:58:59,820still you can still have acareer and as 400 programming.180101:59:00,360 --> 01:59:03,930Heck yeah, he programmed RPG. Ifanybody's ever heard of that180201:59:03,930 --> 01:59:08,970RPG, RPG, this is RPG 400 wasthe name of the programming180301:59:08,970 --> 01:59:15,300fantastic last nomadic codersince 1555. Through pod vs. Wow,180401:59:15,330 --> 01:59:17,820Dave, whenever I listen topodcasts, and people know I have180501:59:17,820 --> 01:59:20,460to review my philosophy noteswhen I study for my master's180601:59:20,460 --> 01:59:24,060degree. On the Masons. I don'tknow if you give me that much180701:59:24,060 --> 01:59:27,120credit. On the Mises Institute.I believe Lew Rockwell and180801:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,700Murray Rothbard. formed it overthe objection of the Koch180901:59:29,700 --> 01:59:32,940brothers after the CatoInstitute off from San Francisco181001:59:32,940 --> 01:59:38,580to DC. Yes, that is that is thestory. You are correct. Cato181101:59:38,580 --> 01:59:44,490Yeah. Franco Celerio. Our friendfrom Ito Italia sent his 10,000181201:59:44,490 --> 01:59:46,830SATs through cast ematic and hesays count me in for the new181301:59:46,830 --> 01:59:48,630international Proseccolifestyle.181401:59:52,200 --> 01:59:55,260I forgot about all these humorwe had on the last episode.181501:59:55,559 --> 01:59:59,399We're going about that too, ishow offensive is Prosecco to an181601:59:59,399 --> 02:00:02,219Italian is Just gotta be justthe worst thing181702:00:02,520 --> 02:00:05,310for a French Frenchman probablyworse than Yeah,181802:00:06,240 --> 02:00:11,010mere mortals podcast, boobdonation 8008 nice mountain and181902:00:11,010 --> 02:00:13,230he says a huge thanks toeveryone for all their amazing182002:00:13,230 --> 02:00:16,890work on P 2.0. Over this lastyear, has really changed my182102:00:16,890 --> 02:00:19,290approach to podcasting and givenme an outlet to behave in a more182202:00:19,290 --> 02:00:22,920ethical manner has also inspiredme to learn Python so I can182302:00:22,920 --> 02:00:25,440hopefully contribute moredirectly going forward. Go182402:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,130podcasting?182502:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,170Indeed, Brother Go podcast.182602:00:30,120 --> 02:00:34,050The podcast, Project inspiredKyron to be more ethical,182702:00:34,530 --> 02:00:36,450what kind of what kind ofcriminal was he?182802:00:39,090 --> 02:00:42,420I'm confused by this and also bythe fact that we would inspire182902:00:42,450 --> 02:00:45,540anybody in a mall to be moremoral than they normally are. I183002:00:45,540 --> 02:00:47,760just thought I thought we hadthe opposite approach seems183102:00:47,760 --> 02:00:51,090like a dichotomy. It just seemslike that well explain boostin183202:00:51,090 --> 02:00:52,380explain a b&e183302:00:53,010 --> 02:00:57,990be the chat F 33 333 through podversion he says was beef183402:00:57,990 --> 02:01:00,120Milkshake Day stage name at Club30183502:01:02,700 --> 02:01:08,430And now welcome to stage beefmilkshake. He's got it laid is183602:01:08,460 --> 02:01:12,210everything you want in a beefyou surprise183702:01:12,270 --> 02:01:18,600it's just be shake for the lady.Meet us send us 19826 through183802:01:18,600 --> 02:01:22,260curio caster, he says we wouldlike to thank everyone in the PC183902:01:22,260 --> 02:01:26,5202.0 community for all you havedone for us at Fun Fact Friday184002:01:26,520 --> 02:01:30,030with Leland David. Our finalepisode will be lit on Thursday184102:01:30,030 --> 02:01:33,900December 29 With invite everyonecome to listen to the final184202:01:33,900 --> 02:01:35,250facts go podcasting.184302:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,700Oh nice and thank you too forbeing a part of this as well.184402:01:38,730 --> 02:01:42,930Very, very fun to have you inthe podcasting 2.0 Space184502:01:43,110 --> 02:01:47,910podcast. Family family is whatwe Man Yes, definitely.184602:01:48,420 --> 02:01:51,840Tone Ricker 100,000 SATs throughbreeze and he says Minnesota is184702:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,300in a deep freeze but keepingwarm boosting sets through184802:01:54,300 --> 02:01:56,760breeze Merry Christmas will befor free friends.184902:01:57,090 --> 02:02:00,090Yes that breeze app used to keepyou warm because they're cool185002:02:00,090 --> 02:02:00,570Yes.185102:02:00,990 --> 02:02:06,900Now it leaves you out in thecold as a third oh here we go.185202:02:07,140 --> 02:02:08,310Wait wait wait did you already185302:02:08,310 --> 02:02:11,430read I did not I did not readthe delimiter if that's what185402:02:11,430 --> 02:02:11,580your185502:02:11,580 --> 02:02:14,940as you read the pre boosting 101A one from hard hat?185602:02:15,900 --> 02:02:18,870I don't think so. Okay, I justdid185702:02:19,140 --> 02:02:23,460one a one on one from hard hatand he says pre boosting and185802:02:23,460 --> 02:02:29,220Macintosh sin as 1111 Row sticksto fountain and he says Merry185902:02:29,220 --> 02:02:32,070Christmas and Happy Holidaysgentleman go podcasting.186002:02:32,100 --> 02:02:34,140Thank you very much Pope's.186102:02:41,160 --> 02:02:44,64030 3015 from comic stripblogger, the delimiter through186202:02:44,640 --> 02:02:48,600fountain and he says Dave andAdam. Could AI be the186302:02:48,600 --> 02:02:53,010counterfeit God, an overlordprompting doomsday Jesus to186402:02:53,010 --> 02:02:56,580bring an angel of mercy.Bringing the latest news about186502:02:56,580 --> 02:02:59,940the advancement of sentientalgorithms is the podcast AI dot186602:02:59,940 --> 02:03:06,510cooking fire it up. Readybudget. Burn up read by Gregory186702:03:06,510 --> 02:03:09,960William Forsythe Foreman andangel of mercy never stoned and186802:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,840drunk has been on the blessedHell Ride in this river where186902:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,330blood is thicker than water.Merry Christmas. Yo,187002:03:15,360 --> 02:03:19,380moose. You comics your boy whatis hard fat saying those pre187102:03:19,380 --> 02:03:22,620boosts get missed now? I didalmost every single pre boost.187202:03:23,400 --> 02:03:29,370Yeah, we don't miss a pre Mr.Pre boost. I'll say that. I187302:03:29,370 --> 02:03:32,160mean, no, I don't think so. Ithink we're pretty good with187402:03:32,190 --> 02:03:36,540unless it was days ago. Youknow? I'm sorry. I probably did187502:03:36,540 --> 02:03:41,040miss it. Because if it came inthree this morning when I reset187602:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,500my node that I that I missed it.So that is187702:03:43,800 --> 02:03:47,430that is true. That is true.Well, I wow. I picked it up.187802:03:47,520 --> 02:03:49,830We have any monthly back herethough. Yes.187902:03:51,750 --> 02:03:56,820We got. Let's see here. Podnews. $50. Thank188002:03:56,820 --> 02:03:58,530you. Thank you. Thank you,James.188102:04:00,570 --> 02:04:06,900Shaw McCune $20 Paul Erskine$11.14, David would find $3188202:04:06,900 --> 02:04:11,850Michael Goggin $5 Charlescurrent $5 kin glotzbach $5188302:04:12,120 --> 02:04:16,140James Sullivan $10 shown the waywe already rich John Christopher188402:04:16,140 --> 02:04:19,680Remer $10 and Jordan Dunnville$10.188502:04:19,830 --> 02:04:24,150God, thank you. Thank you. Thankyou. Thank you all so much. This188602:04:24,150 --> 02:04:27,570is value for value. It's a very,very simple system. All you have188702:04:27,570 --> 02:04:30,990to do is determine if you gotany value out of this podcast. I188802:04:30,990 --> 02:04:34,080thought of the project if you'dlike it, it could have been for188902:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,240a project you're working on itcould have just been for pure189002:04:36,240 --> 02:04:40,500entertainment. Maybe you got anidea maybe just felt good. Maybe189102:04:40,500 --> 02:04:45,780a laugh maybe you haven't as 400and felt loved you you can189202:04:45,780 --> 02:04:48,810return that value whatever youwant time talent treasure, we189302:04:48,810 --> 02:04:51,960love the treasure it isimportant. You can also send us189402:04:51,960 --> 02:04:55,140unchained Bitcoin, which no onedoes, but we do have that on189502:04:55,230 --> 02:04:58,830podcast index.org If you have acoin laying around, you know189602:04:59,610 --> 02:05:06,030that's He tally tally coin. Andthat's all a podcast index.org189702:05:06,030 --> 02:05:09,210Also for the Fiat fun coupons,you can do that through Pay Pal189802:05:09,210 --> 02:05:12,720but we really want and reallyenjoy is when you use a modern189902:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,650podcast app, new podcastapps.com There's quite a number190002:05:16,650 --> 02:05:19,410of them that you can use withmore coming online every single190102:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,010day. I believe we'll also beable to use the the boosting and190202:05:23,010 --> 02:05:25,800booster grams from the Rokuinterface. And that'll be190302:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,520interesting to see how thatworks. And for that, go to new190402:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,390podcast apps.com. And thank youall so much for another great190502:05:33,390 --> 02:05:38,430year. This is our now we're wellinto year. Two, right? We have190602:05:38,430 --> 02:05:41,130two and a half years. I thinkthat we're doing this now. My190702:05:41,130 --> 02:05:44,040saying that row. Yeah, well, letme see. When190802:05:44,040 --> 02:05:48,660did we first started in Augustof 2020? Yeah, yeah. The190902:05:48,660 --> 02:05:52,230first show was August 28th.191002:05:53,490 --> 02:05:56,430Yeah. Okay. So we're a littleshove a191102:05:56,460 --> 02:05:58,560little shy of two years and ahalf years, two and a half191202:05:58,560 --> 02:06:03,630years. Yeah. Well, it's the bestproject I've ever worked on.191302:06:03,660 --> 02:06:06,990I've have not had as much fundoing this. And that includes191402:06:07,260 --> 02:06:13,980everything I've done. Thisoutstrips MTV by Miles was can191502:06:13,980 --> 02:06:17,790you say what other project canyou say that you actually birth191602:06:17,790 --> 02:06:19,020a Bitcoin baby?191702:06:19,410 --> 02:06:25,590None of birth shitty websites inmy career. But never a Bitcoin191802:06:25,590 --> 02:06:29,520Baby, baby. So thank you allvery much podcast index.org And191902:06:29,520 --> 02:06:33,240of course if you'd like to joinin the fun and join him the work192002:06:33,240 --> 02:06:35,400that we do on the developmentyou're more than welcome to go192102:06:35,400 --> 02:06:38,970to podcasts. index.org and we'llhook you up with an invite come192202:06:38,970 --> 02:06:42,840on in not if you just want toyou know, just have a podcast.192302:06:43,650 --> 02:06:46,050But if you really want to helpwith the development and you can192402:06:46,050 --> 02:06:49,650read what's going on in podcastsindex, dot social distancing,192502:06:49,680 --> 02:06:52,680get a flavor for it. Or if youhave your own Mastodon account,192602:06:52,680 --> 02:06:56,490you can follow Adam at podcastindex on social or Dave podcast192702:06:56,490 --> 02:07:01,530index dot social. Thank you allso much. And I think we ran a192802:07:01,530 --> 02:07:02,820little long do you192902:07:03,090 --> 02:07:08,430okay, we were in law. No, no,we're good. I'm off today. Oh,193002:07:08,430 --> 02:07:11,700nice. Today, we're going to thein laws house here in a couple193102:07:11,700 --> 02:07:15,330hours. Yeah. Is that you gotfamily, you got Christine193202:07:15,330 --> 02:07:15,720industry.193302:07:15,750 --> 02:07:19,890Everybody bailed? No, everyonehates us know that now the kids193402:07:19,890 --> 02:07:23,610are doing their own thing. Ofcourse, Christina's boyfriend193502:07:23,610 --> 02:07:28,110slashed fiance still cannotenter the United States. As if193602:07:28,110 --> 02:07:32,040you are a non resident alien ora non citizen, you have to have193702:07:32,070 --> 02:07:36,180boosters and everything up todate. And seeing as he started193802:07:36,180 --> 02:07:40,050to get heart issues after thefirst vaccine, he decided to193902:07:40,050 --> 02:07:40,560stop194002:07:41,820 --> 02:07:45,420work when you're required tohave boosters. But there's,194102:07:45,690 --> 02:07:50,070there's European countries thatdon't like Denmark that have194202:07:50,070 --> 02:07:54,450stopped allowing boosters formen under a certain age.194302:07:54,509 --> 02:07:57,989It's a whole the whole thing ishorseshit. And they make the194402:07:58,019 --> 02:08:02,519airlines check. So the airlinesjust need to see some piece of194502:08:02,519 --> 02:08:04,949paper they can say your whateverthat's good here you're good to194602:08:04,949 --> 02:08:08,219go to each wave it and easilywave in their face pretty much.194702:08:08,219 --> 02:08:11,549Yeah, pretty much. And I thinkbut that's supposed to end194802:08:11,549 --> 02:08:14,699January. We're the only countryin the world that still have194902:08:14,729 --> 02:08:17,909really Yep. And I was talking tothe primerica guys finally did195002:08:17,909 --> 02:08:18,809their podcast,195102:08:19,170 --> 02:08:22,470by the way, where's the they'renot like they're not lit. I195202:08:22,470 --> 02:08:23,700tried to find it. And now that195302:08:23,850 --> 02:08:27,270I know, I know. It's a travestythat we'll get we'll get them on195402:08:27,270 --> 02:08:29,430board now they do value forvalue, but we'll get them on195502:08:29,430 --> 02:08:32,130board with with the lit stuff.But they were like hey, you guys195602:08:32,130 --> 02:08:35,460should come down to Texas. Well,if you change change your195702:08:35,550 --> 02:08:38,760horrible border laws I'm like,Oh, that's right. You guys can't195802:08:38,760 --> 02:08:42,720can't come in because youCanadians. It's ridiculous. And195902:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,110I think it has something to dowith the title 42 thing and the196002:08:46,110 --> 02:08:48,750whole thing it's America youknow what Why would you come196102:08:49,620 --> 02:08:53,730Don't hit stones just stay home.We suck right now. We got to196202:08:53,730 --> 02:08:56,460clean some stuff up here. Thenwe'll send out an invite when196302:08:56,460 --> 02:08:57,330we're ready for y'all196402:08:57,540 --> 02:08:59,880need advice? or CPE and evite196502:09:02,280 --> 02:09:06,390right. So you're with the inlaws for for Christmas already.196602:09:06,390 --> 02:09:07,830This is just for today. Yougoing up?196702:09:08,070 --> 02:09:10,020Yeah, we're just going to eatdinner up there. It's about they196802:09:10,020 --> 02:09:13,140live about an hour away at northof us and then we'll go to my my196902:09:13,140 --> 02:09:16,260folks tomorrow and then haveChristmas Day here with with our197002:09:16,380 --> 02:09:17,430with our kids. Yeah.197102:09:17,460 --> 02:09:20,970Now we're tonight we have pastorJimmy and Damon net. We're going197202:09:20,970 --> 02:09:23,370to have dinner with them. AndPastor Jimmy is going to do a197302:09:23,370 --> 02:09:28,710value for value podcast. Oh,Izzy? Yep, yeah. Oh, cool. Oh,197402:09:28,710 --> 02:09:33,720nice. Yeah. He's very excitedabout it. That's fun. I have the197502:09:33,720 --> 02:09:36,810pod father producing so I'll getyou set up man. He's a musician.197602:09:36,810 --> 02:09:39,210He has all the he has. He knowshow to do it. He knows how to197702:09:39,450 --> 02:09:43,440just I just need to put all thepieces together for him. And197802:09:43,440 --> 02:09:48,510then see tomorrow and then I'mworking Sunday. No agenda goes197902:09:48,510 --> 02:09:50,700on as scheduled. We work onholidays198002:09:51,030 --> 02:09:52,230on Christmas.198102:09:53,430 --> 02:09:56,670And New Year's Day. Yeah. Yeah.What's a great opportunity198202:09:56,670 --> 02:10:01,350because all mainstream has goneyou know All reruns and crap.198302:10:01,830 --> 02:10:03,180And that podcast198402:10:03,180 --> 02:10:06,600and the podcast episodepublishing rate is down almost198502:10:06,600 --> 02:10:10,05010% This week, like on yourbuddies publishing podcast, this198602:10:10,050 --> 02:10:11,790is a great time to launch thisis198702:10:13,290 --> 02:10:14,670get to stage two yourself.198802:10:14,700 --> 02:10:17,280This is a great time to launchyour podcast people I'm just198902:10:17,280 --> 02:10:21,120saying, Dave, have a very, verymerry Christmas. You too,199002:10:21,120 --> 02:10:24,810brother. Love and peace andhappiness to the to you in the199102:10:24,810 --> 02:10:29,520family. And we'll be we'll beworking just before the New Year199202:10:29,520 --> 02:10:32,040and that'll be the next the nextboard meeting and we'll have199302:10:32,040 --> 02:10:33,360curriculum with us. So that'llbe fun.199402:10:33,930 --> 02:10:36,750Yep, that'd be good. That'll beable to get you. Peace and Love199502:10:36,750 --> 02:10:38,760to your family to and to all agood night. Yes.199602:10:38,760 --> 02:10:42,210Good night, everybody. Thanksfor attending the board meeting.199702:10:42,210 --> 02:10:45,570We highly appreciate it. Andremember, we're podcasting.199802:10:45,570 --> 02:10:48,750next.org And we'll see you nextweek for the final board meeting199902:10:48,750 --> 02:10:49,320of the year.200002:11:03,360 --> 02:11:07,920You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts200102:11:07,950 --> 02:11:11,280index.org For more informationbecause they're cool.200202:11:12,960 --> 02:11:15,870That's not entirely true. moost