Episode 113: Substance Dualism

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120podcasting 2.0 for December16 2022, episode 113 substance200:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,670dualism. Hello, everybody.Welcome to your weekly board300:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,190meeting. That's right. We go allthe way up until the end of the400:00:14,190 --> 00:00:18,330year of podcasting 2.0. A Do youwant to know what's ahead and500:00:18,330 --> 00:00:22,410what's in store for 2023? Well,we're not going to tell you we600:00:22,410 --> 00:00:26,370are the future. So you came tothe right place, everything700:00:26,370 --> 00:00:30,600happening with the namespace,every single podcast index.org800:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720And of course, podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in900:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,720the heart of the Texas HillCountry. And in Alabama. He's1000:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,660making less than checking ittwice. Say hello to my friend on1100:00:39,660 --> 00:00:43,080the other end. Ladies andgentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1200:00:43,799 --> 00:00:46,769I did a dangerous thing. Whatdid you do did myself during the1300:00:46,769 --> 00:00:51,029intro, and just barely rememberto unmute myself.1400:00:51,659 --> 00:00:54,629Why would you do that? Don't Imean, I got I got you covered1500:00:54,629 --> 00:00:55,799broke. I got you covered.1600:00:56,940 --> 00:01:01,080I was I don't know. I think Iwas in a fog from enjoying my1700:01:01,260 --> 00:01:02,490beef milkshake.1800:01:02,790 --> 00:01:07,260Beef milkshake. Oh, that doesn'tsound very good.1900:01:08,580 --> 00:01:11,160I blame you for this new dietaryinfatuation that2000:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,720oh, wait, you know, I was goingto ask how is your beef diet2100:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,320going?2200:01:17,550 --> 00:01:21,090My beef journey has progressedall the way to milkshake in,2300:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,060like Dan Benjamin sent me this.He's like, man, I've got this2400:01:27,060 --> 00:01:33,000great like beef protein shakethat I use. I was like, oh, and2500:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600he? He said no, no, no. So it'slike grass fed. But it's like2600:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,840isolated beef protein. Itdoesn't taste like beef. You2700:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,610know, he's like, it's likechocolate. And he's like, No, I2800:01:44,610 --> 00:01:48,270swear, here by it. And if youdon't like it, I'll buy it from2900:01:48,270 --> 00:01:49,740you. Like I just sent it to me3000:01:49,830 --> 00:01:53,820know, do you use the K is the Kand C beef in that? It knows.3100:01:53,820 --> 00:02:00,300So I did the like, I ran out ofK and C beef. And I had to order3200:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,760some and it takes like a week toget here. Yeah. And so then I'm3300:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480like, You know what, I reallyneed a fallback plan because my3400:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,710body is loving the like, thesuper pro to high protein diet3500:02:11,490 --> 00:02:14,040is really like made an impact onthe way I feel.3600:02:14,070 --> 00:02:17,550I love hearing this. I lovethis. You're ready to be on the3700:02:17,550 --> 00:02:19,620meat mafia show now. Okay.3800:02:21,030 --> 00:02:22,980Sign me up. I'll givetestimonials. This3900:02:23,370 --> 00:02:27,330is exactly it. And there was theanswer was in front of you for4000:02:27,330 --> 00:02:28,380all these years.4100:02:29,010 --> 00:02:31,680Yeah. Like I know, I've saidthis before, but I didn't4200:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,220realize if you go if I go backand look. And you'll see in4300:02:35,220 --> 00:02:39,990like, a lot of days I'll seelike 20 grams of protein.4400:02:40,350 --> 00:02:45,0302020. Yes, that's for like twoeggs.4500:02:46,980 --> 00:02:53,640No, it was shameful. It's Wow,everybody. And I'm like this is4600:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,300so I have to have like doubletriple quadruple backup plan4700:02:57,300 --> 00:02:58,050emergencies.4800:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,130Oh, to have the patience. Yougot Jacob jerky and all kinds of4900:03:02,130 --> 00:03:04,530stuff. Ready? Yeah. ingest readyto go? Yeah.5000:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,510Last removed.5100:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,560I'm so happy to hear that, man.I mean that I know that you've5200:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,350struggled with all kinds ofbullshit, just health wise in5300:03:13,350 --> 00:03:14,160that regard.5400:03:14,850 --> 00:03:18,960And working out and like liftingweights and stuff. Man made a5500:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,860big difference. Yeah.5600:03:20,700 --> 00:03:22,890Now you know what's gonnahappen? Chicks are gonna flock5700:03:22,890 --> 00:03:23,280to you.5800:03:24,510 --> 00:03:28,680We don't want any of that. I gotthe garlic necklace.5900:03:31,350 --> 00:03:36,900Oh, I think I have a hernia. Forreal? Yeah, I think I think so I6000:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,120looked it up. I'm like, Oh, thisis kind of like one of those6100:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,050hernia things.6200:03:40,620 --> 00:03:43,200Go to the dentist and get somedental work and then come out6300:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,190with a hernia tell you6400:03:44,190 --> 00:03:47,790man this like this is, you know,I don't want to complain. I6500:03:47,790 --> 00:03:51,750really don't. But I was freakedout about the procedure itself.6600:03:51,750 --> 00:03:54,930And that, of course, turned outto be really nothing. It was6700:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,480almost like, Hey, I almost wantto do that fentanyl thing again,6800:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,290that was kind of fun.6900:03:58,950 --> 00:04:02,130Don't have no don't ever let mehear you say that. Well, we're7000:04:02,130 --> 00:04:04,710doing it again, when the whenthe posts go in, but it'll be a7100:04:04,710 --> 00:04:08,310couple months. When they say No,it'll be the healing. It'll be7200:04:08,310 --> 00:04:11,370the healing like, okay, when youthink of the healing, you just7300:04:11,370 --> 00:04:14,310think of, you know, it's like, Igot stitches as all the stuff7400:04:14,310 --> 00:04:17,430going on. They put stuff in itas healing, but you were you7500:04:17,430 --> 00:04:24,030kind of don't get what's not inthe brochure is his how much you7600:04:24,030 --> 00:04:29,940use your mouth for functioningin the world. And when when when7700:04:29,940 --> 00:04:33,690things are are missing ordisplaced and you know it's in a7800:04:33,900 --> 00:04:38,220transitionary state. This isvery it affects you in an odd7900:04:38,220 --> 00:04:41,790number of ways. Mainly that youfeels like you're wearing a8000:04:41,790 --> 00:04:43,470mouthguard all day long.8100:04:45,510 --> 00:04:48,690Or we're breakages or what givesyou this feeling is that the8200:04:48,690 --> 00:04:49,500temporaries are8300:04:49,530 --> 00:04:52,620yeah, oh yeah, because I havetwo bridges in my mouth and but8400:04:52,620 --> 00:04:55,170they're only attached to thecanine so you can't really chew8500:04:55,170 --> 00:04:59,370and it's in an odd way. Let'ssee, I can empathize with people8600:04:59,370 --> 00:05:04,110who have An artificial limb. Nowit's functioning but you have no8700:05:04,110 --> 00:05:07,710connection to it. It'sprosthetic teeth. Yeah, yes,8800:05:07,710 --> 00:05:10,560yes. Yes. Yes. No, but they'renot connected to the bone at8900:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,590all. Even. Hey, it doesn'tmatter. I'm just I'm just9000:05:13,590 --> 00:05:16,440saying. It's like and then I andthen I got this hernia, I think9100:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,190is hernia.9200:05:18,030 --> 00:05:21,090Is it? I mean, does it lay hurtlay Hill every time you laugh?9300:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,940It doesn't No, not hurt likehell no. Okay. No, but if it9400:05:26,940 --> 00:05:29,880gets any worse in mind, that'sprobably what it is.9500:05:30,300 --> 00:05:32,190You don't you don't need to messaround with that. Like, you9600:05:32,190 --> 00:05:33,450might want to go get thatchecked.9700:05:35,850 --> 00:05:38,940It's like a quarter of all menget something like this. It's9800:05:38,940 --> 00:05:42,750not bad. Unless unless it cutsoff your, your intestines or9900:05:42,750 --> 00:05:43,290whatever.10000:05:44,340 --> 00:05:48,480Yeah, yeah. At all,10100:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,990feeling kind of woozy? No, Dave,I don't know what to do.10200:05:54,750 --> 00:05:58,080You wait your whole life withlike, no medical things ever,10300:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,820ever. Now. They're all happeningat once.10400:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,630Everything's coming together.Just just perfectly.10500:06:04,500 --> 00:06:06,360Now you're in the system. That'sright.10600:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,650Yeah, that's right. I mean, thisis yeah. Yeah, well, it's all10700:06:10,650 --> 00:06:13,890right. My deductible is like$9,000. So that's fine.10800:06:14,940 --> 00:06:19,200Oh, yeah. No, you just take yourcar and you.10900:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,190So this is kind of near the endof the year. And I think we11000:06:23,190 --> 00:06:29,550actually we are doing an end ofyear show. And I'm kind of11100:06:29,550 --> 00:06:32,790regretting not even ever wantingto do an interview show, telling11200:06:32,790 --> 00:06:35,760me how many people have asked meto do a thing for their end of11300:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,450year show. And it involves aprediction and highlights from11400:06:39,450 --> 00:06:43,320the last year. And I'm not oneof those. Yeah, no, I know. I'm11500:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,160only half. That's, it's like podnews weekly, like everyone is on11600:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,570there, where their reviews andpredictions. And I know why do11700:06:51,570 --> 00:06:54,870we die? Does everybody have todo it? I didn't do any of them11800:06:54,870 --> 00:06:57,660this year. Oh, you didn't know Ididn't get oh,11900:06:57,660 --> 00:07:01,530Sam hit me with what was yourhighlight of or know what do you12000:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,440think's going to happen in 23? Iwas like, mental blank. I12100:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,110haven't. I don't know. I have noidea.12200:07:07,170 --> 00:07:11,340Didn't you just didn't you justplug pod ping? 2.0. I was12300:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,420plugged it first. But I didn'tknow where the like what's going12400:07:15,420 --> 00:07:19,650to happen? I think I mean, I wasbeing honest. I think probably.12500:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,000I guess my my prediction is justthe slow march forward.12600:07:24,150 --> 00:07:28,350Yeah. It's casting does italways grows with, you know,12700:07:28,350 --> 00:07:33,240like, between four and 7% a yearno matter what it is? takes time12800:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,860very slow rollout. Well, we cankind of review for ourselves. I12900:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,080mean, last year's predictions. Ithink we were right on every13000:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,100single thing. Facebook, YouTube.That'll be nothing. We both said13100:07:44,100 --> 00:07:50,400it. clubhouse clubhouse has beenrounded out? No. So we predicted13200:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,650everything that would that wouldthat would fail. We're pretty13300:07:52,650 --> 00:07:53,370good at that.13400:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,250As a matter of fact, I don't Ican't think of a single thing13500:07:56,250 --> 00:07:57,270we've ever gotten wrong.13600:07:57,420 --> 00:08:01,830Exactly. Companies running outof money predicted. People get13700:08:01,830 --> 00:08:04,770fired. Predicted financial deepplatforming is one of the13800:08:04,770 --> 00:08:08,400reasons we started this. I willmake a prediction for next year.13900:08:08,430 --> 00:08:11,820I will I will. Oh, please. Youwant to hear me? Because I have14000:08:11,820 --> 00:08:17,700to. Yep. Artificial Intelligencewill suck and no one will use it14100:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,680in podcasting. It's bullshit,14200:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,770though. I want to talk about Iwant to talk about chat. GPT by14300:08:22,770 --> 00:08:28,260the way, yeah, let's do it. Youknow, what got me? Well,14400:08:28,260 --> 00:08:31,380everybody's posting their chatbe GPT screenshots and stuff.14500:08:31,380 --> 00:08:37,560And, you know, whatever. So whatpiqued my interest in this was?14600:08:37,890 --> 00:08:42,960Was it Oh, it's open AI? That isthe people behind chat. GPT.14700:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,340Right. Yeah. And what caught myattention was they gave D14800:08:47,340 --> 00:08:50,910script, which is, you know, thepopular podcast editor thing.14900:08:51,480 --> 00:08:58,320They gave that company $80million. Yeah, that's a lot of15000:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,360money. Yeah. And so like, thisis not the end. I don't know15100:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,330anything about these screws nowabout the script. But these open15200:09:06,330 --> 00:09:09,060AI people who are theirinvestors, because they must15300:09:09,060 --> 00:09:12,300have some serious cash if theycan just part with $80 million.15400:09:13,140 --> 00:09:17,070Oh, no, open AI. It's like, it'slike the Linux Foundation. It's15500:09:17,070 --> 00:09:18,270all it's all big tech.15600:09:18,810 --> 00:09:21,360I don't think the Linux countFoundation has $80 million.15700:09:22,170 --> 00:09:25,800The Linux Foundation is prettymuch owned by Microsoft as a way15800:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920I understand it. I'll bet youthey do have that kind of money.15900:09:31,050 --> 00:09:34,890But maybe I'm wrong. Let's takea look at who who's who is open.16000:09:34,890 --> 00:09:39,420I mean, I don't know. But okay,let's so I understand your your16100:09:39,420 --> 00:09:40,050premise.16200:09:40,620 --> 00:09:47,340Right. But this is not an I knowit's just I know it's just16300:09:47,340 --> 00:09:52,740semantics. Okay. Open AI RT. Butthis this none of this is real.16400:09:52,830 --> 00:09:54,720None of this blows my mind here.16500:09:54,780 --> 00:10:00,330No, it's It's basically Amazon.The chat stuff to me is C Siri16600:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,050Alexa or Hey, Google, whateveryou want to call it, with the16700:10:04,050 --> 00:10:06,870same stupid answers just alittle more embellished and16800:10:06,900 --> 00:10:09,480flowery. word salad.16900:10:10,170 --> 00:10:14,820It's exactly what it is. It'sword, salad word salad. It's17000:10:14,850 --> 00:10:20,070it's just all differentvariations of a fancy fancier17100:10:20,070 --> 00:10:21,060Mechanical Turk.17200:10:22,140 --> 00:10:24,060Yeah, exactly, exactly.17300:10:24,090 --> 00:10:27,180I think I guess the reason Iwant to bring it up, though, and17400:10:27,180 --> 00:10:30,390tons of money around clearly,but in as this stuff gets17500:10:30,390 --> 00:10:33,450better, I think we need to, atthe MES think we need to17600:10:33,450 --> 00:10:38,820remember a few things about thatthis is not this is not Intel17700:10:38,850 --> 00:10:39,720intelligence17800:10:39,750 --> 00:10:43,050in any manner at all. In any17900:10:43,050 --> 00:10:45,150way. No, you know,18000:10:46,170 --> 00:10:48,840so, but you know what happens?You know what happens with this,18100:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,120I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'mgonna give you my opinion, real18200:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,970quick on this. What happened? Iwant to hear so people all18300:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,690jacked and Jedi. Like, oh, itcan, it can release, it helps me18400:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,390write my review, at least ithelps me do my code. At least it18500:11:00,390 --> 00:11:04,080helps me do my art. It helps.Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, you're18600:11:04,110 --> 00:11:07,890this is a prison and you'rehelping construct it. Because18700:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,560one day you're gonna wake up andthat same artificial18800:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,100intelligence is going to bemaking decisions for you. But18900:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,980not on your behalf. It'll be agovernment agency that has19000:11:16,980 --> 00:11:19,200bought into it and thinks it'sall great. Oh, yeah, it's19100:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,190fantastic. So this is where thedecision will be made? Do you19200:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,450get parole? You go to prison.And we all know AI is racist,19300:11:27,450 --> 00:11:30,210don't we? This is alreadyhappening. By the way. This is19400:11:30,210 --> 00:11:33,330not this is not fictional. Thislevel this is if you think this19500:11:33,330 --> 00:11:36,630is the best that AI has todeliver. Imagine how bad it is19600:11:36,630 --> 00:11:39,570the stuff they're using incourtrooms today that are making19700:11:39,570 --> 00:11:43,800decisions about people andrecidivism, recidivism,19800:11:43,830 --> 00:11:47,700recidivism, recidivism, youknow, committing another crime19900:11:47,700 --> 00:11:54,780going back to jail. And we'retrusting this level of AI on it20000:11:54,780 --> 00:11:58,860if this is the best. So you'rebuilding your own prison, people20100:11:58,890 --> 00:11:59,520stop it.20200:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,850at them, the scarier thing to meis medical decisions. Yeah,20300:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,980there you go. No, that's gonnayou know, that's going to have20400:12:07,980 --> 00:12:12,450an egg give you a perfectexample, got a friend who, who's20500:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,660married to a pathologist, andthe pathologist was had20600:12:18,660 --> 00:12:21,060contacted the doctor, becausethey're like, looking at this20700:12:21,060 --> 00:12:27,690slide trying to determine what,how to diagnose. And she was20800:12:27,690 --> 00:12:32,040like, you know, I need to knowthis person's medical history,20900:12:32,040 --> 00:12:39,630because it looks, this lookslike it could be X disease. I'm21000:12:39,630 --> 00:12:44,250trying to be discreet here. Andso in the doctor would like21100:12:44,250 --> 00:12:48,450wooden wouldn't say, it hassomething that she finally21200:12:48,450 --> 00:12:52,680figured out, okay, this personmust be must be homosexual. And21300:12:52,680 --> 00:12:56,370the doctor doesn't want to tellme. But what I'm seeing here is21400:12:56,370 --> 00:12:58,830something that's veryconcerning. And that and I need21500:12:58,830 --> 00:13:01,890to know that information,because that puts, that puts the21600:13:01,890 --> 00:13:04,950risk that changes the riskprofile. And so they're having21700:13:04,950 --> 00:13:07,710this, there's sort of thispolitics that came into this.21800:13:08,250 --> 00:13:11,070And the pathologist was like,look, look, I don't care about21900:13:11,070 --> 00:13:15,090any of that. I'm trying toaccurately diagnose this person.22000:13:15,330 --> 00:13:20,550And I can't do this without afull medical history. And what22100:13:20,580 --> 00:13:23,490Tick, tick the box was, youknow, oh, this person has had a22200:13:23,490 --> 00:13:26,040monkey pox vaccine recently.Yeah, she's like, Okay, this22300:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,240must be what's going on. And soshe was trying to put all this22400:13:30,240 --> 00:13:37,380stuff together. If if there wasan possibility of a AI, that22500:13:37,380 --> 00:13:39,960could just cut the pathologistall the way out, and all of a22600:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,670sudden, you don't have to havethese uncomfortable22700:13:41,670 --> 00:13:45,120conversations anymore. You justfeed the data into the system,22800:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,030and the AI spits out thediagnosis, the pathology,22900:13:48,030 --> 00:13:51,060diagnosis and all and you know,and you're all good. And what's23000:13:51,060 --> 00:13:56,370been lost is, is a full workupby human who knows how to read23100:13:56,370 --> 00:13:58,860how to read this stuff and do itorally, medical history,23200:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,180and along with, you know, we'renot talking about artificial23300:14:03,180 --> 00:14:07,140intelligence, we're talkingabout artificial art. That's23400:14:07,140 --> 00:14:10,200what people are showing me. Thisis an art that's artificial.23500:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,260This is writing, which is an artwhich is made artificially. This23600:14:13,260 --> 00:14:17,310is a voice which is artificial.It's just artificial. It's not23700:14:17,310 --> 00:14:21,480even it's no it's it's nointelligence in this. Anyway,23800:14:22,140 --> 00:14:25,410when I hear predictions, oh, AIis going to move into23900:14:25,410 --> 00:14:31,440podcasting. Blow me, no, no way.Go away. Now, my final24000:14:31,440 --> 00:14:38,940prediction of the two is adbased podcasting. advertise a24100:14:38,970 --> 00:14:47,070podcast who exists because ofadvertising, ie, you wouldn't do24200:14:47,070 --> 00:14:52,110your show for free. So there'sadvertising in your life. These24300:14:52,110 --> 00:14:55,620podcasts are going to suck moreand more, because there'll be24400:14:55,620 --> 00:15:01,890less and less of them because ofsafety and suitability. Safety24500:15:01,890 --> 00:15:08,010and suitability. It went frombrand safe to, I think, trust24600:15:08,010 --> 00:15:12,660and safety. And now we're atsafety and suitability. And and24700:15:12,660 --> 00:15:19,740I have this information from podnews weekly. This is I think the24800:15:20,190 --> 00:15:24,720founder of an ad podcast, adagency, I believe called24900:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,950barometer Did you hear thisparticular interview? That's25000:15:28,950 --> 00:15:31,860the only thing I've heard fromso far, I didn't have chance to25100:15:31,860 --> 00:15:33,810listen too much I have a clip?Well, what25200:15:33,810 --> 00:15:37,230we figured out is that we have acertain level of responsibility25300:15:37,230 --> 00:15:42,960for the environments we placeour clients in. But sometimes we25400:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,350limit that discussion to justwhat is said in the show. And as25500:15:46,350 --> 00:15:50,130it turns out, there can be a lotof challenges for brands that25600:15:50,130 --> 00:15:53,940affiliate with a show that maybe safe, but the host is not for25700:15:53,940 --> 00:15:58,590reasons that happen outside ofthe show. Oh, so we get a your25800:15:58,890 --> 00:15:59,670emergency.25900:16:00,540 --> 00:16:05,490And I love actually, I heardJames Cridland acting surprised.26000:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,770I don't think he was even Ithink he was sincere26100:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,360email that hosts were sponsoringwas caught wearing a shirt that26200:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,720said something controversial inthe wild. And all of a sudden,26300:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,230this is a topic. So if youthought that you're only26400:16:19,230 --> 00:16:22,830responsible for the show, youare not you are responsible for26500:16:22,830 --> 00:16:26,370the behavior of that individual,to some people to some26600:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,920stakeholders. And so reallyimportant that you get26700:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,040visibility into that as well aswhat's in the show itself.26800:16:32,070 --> 00:16:35,340Wow. I mean, other other anyexamples that that that wearing26900:16:35,340 --> 00:16:37,560a shirt can't be a properexample, can it27000:16:40,470 --> 00:16:43,350the second part of this, butthis, of course happened on27100:16:43,350 --> 00:16:47,550Patreon. We saw this happen awhile ago, and Patreon came on27200:16:47,550 --> 00:16:51,360the scene as a value for valuetype proposition. But not27300:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,570really, because you know, if youdid something nasty on YouTube,27400:16:54,690 --> 00:16:57,330then we're gonna throw you offPatreon. Because you are an27500:16:57,330 --> 00:17:00,960undesirable. You're just noteven if you have a wasn't even27600:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,690in your podcast. So you were aguest on someone. This happened27700:17:03,690 --> 00:17:07,230several times where people weretaken off Patreon for this27800:17:07,230 --> 00:17:07,680reason.27900:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,270Yep, that's, I think that thismight be the best. Like, what do28000:17:15,270 --> 00:17:18,930you wanna call like the bestevidence for why? It's fantastic28100:17:18,930 --> 00:17:23,100that Twitter is imploding?Because if you can, you can do28200:17:23,130 --> 00:17:28,140all of the if Twitter if notFacebook, not anything. If only28300:17:28,140 --> 00:17:32,490Twitter did not exist, therewould be absolutely nothing.28400:17:32,910 --> 00:17:36,660Here, there would been therewould be no story, there would28500:17:36,660 --> 00:17:41,010be no brand safety. It's all abunch of Twitter nonsense. Like28600:17:41,010 --> 00:17:44,580it's the Twitter mob in theTwitter mob is like creaky and28700:17:44,580 --> 00:17:48,480cracking. Now, as they getsplintered into the diaspora it28800:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,270like this, all of these thingsbegin and end on Twitter. And I28900:17:54,270 --> 00:17:57,030for 1am Glad to see the wholething just kind of crumble,29000:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,380because it's dumb. I think ToddTodd Cochran is right. He says,29100:18:01,410 --> 00:18:05,850you know, he's been railing onbrand safety, algorithmic brand29200:18:05,850 --> 00:18:08,280safety and that kind of thingfor a while. And his point has29300:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,290been, it's just targeting, it'stargeting under a different29400:18:13,380 --> 00:18:19,620it's, it's, it's ad targetingunder a under the guise versus29500:18:19,620 --> 00:18:20,040brands.29600:18:20,490 --> 00:18:22,860It's reverse ad targeting iswhat it is.29700:18:23,910 --> 00:18:25,590Yeah, it was you're literally,29800:18:26,100 --> 00:18:29,040you're not you're not targetingto an individual group. You're29900:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,620saying we've pared down thegroup? Here you go.30000:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,730Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's a it's afill its filters. Yeah.30100:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,340Yeah, exactly. You want to hearthis? The second part here is30200:18:38,340 --> 00:18:39,690one rod lifts up.30300:18:39,690 --> 00:18:42,720Yeah. No, that's a real example.Absolutely. Yeah, there was a30400:18:42,720 --> 00:18:49,290podcaster, who wore a shirt thatdidn't make any sense to me. Not30500:18:49,290 --> 00:18:51,390something I would haverecommended that they were but30600:18:51,390 --> 00:18:54,030they were wearing it and someonesnapped a picture. Somebody put30700:18:54,030 --> 00:18:58,320it on the internet and Twitterwas a blaze. So it's not the30800:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,610only example. We have a trulypeople trend for all sorts of30900:19:02,610 --> 00:19:05,580reasons people get upset with apersonality for all types of31000:19:05,580 --> 00:19:09,420reasons. And, you know, I thinkin the early days, we might have31100:19:09,420 --> 00:19:13,800imagined that it was exclusivelyabout what sit on air and then31200:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,900their personal life as theirpersonal life. But we don't live31300:19:15,900 --> 00:19:20,190in that world anymore. Oh, andso that's not to say that we31400:19:20,190 --> 00:19:24,270advocate for disassociating withprograms because of every31500:19:24,270 --> 00:19:27,930behavior that a talent isaccused of conducting or31600:19:27,930 --> 00:19:32,520conducts. But but it's helpfulto be aware of it. So sponsors31700:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,390and listeners, I can be eyeswide open with their31800:19:36,390 --> 00:19:38,160affiliations and what they'reconsuming.31900:19:38,460 --> 00:19:43,950So it's fine. You know, I don'tmind. Everybody can do whatever32000:19:43,950 --> 00:19:47,280they want to do. But you justneed to be aware of the fact32100:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,670that this is basicallymainstream media. This is what I32200:19:50,670 --> 00:19:54,780lived with, for most of myentire life, but certainly half32300:19:54,780 --> 00:20:00,510of my professional life is thecontext the morality clause. And32400:20:00,510 --> 00:20:04,770you even have I was offered abook deal for, for my book32500:20:04,890 --> 00:20:08,310morality clause. Now I'm notinterested I'm not interested32600:20:08,580 --> 00:20:14,310morality clause that's, that'swhen you become the slave. And32700:20:14,310 --> 00:20:19,560I'm drawing the Express analogyto Kanye, or even Prince, if you32800:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,740want to take it to that level,when they have you by the balls32900:20:22,740 --> 00:20:26,040like that where you cannotbehave the way you Dave33000:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,790Chappelle, where you cannotbehave the way you want to who33100:20:29,790 --> 00:20:34,770you are as a full person in yourfull self. Because they will33200:20:34,770 --> 00:20:39,900hold that over you and all ittakes is a to n. Twitter mob,33300:20:40,170 --> 00:20:43,050I'm not necessarily going toagree that it's only because of33400:20:43,050 --> 00:20:47,130the Twitter mob. This is this iseverywhere, in life in general,33500:20:47,130 --> 00:20:51,000but it is the virality flowingthrough the Twitter and believe33600:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,870me, Twitter's not falling apart.That's a whole nother33700:20:54,870 --> 00:20:57,990discussion, but it's not fallingapart, it's going to be33800:20:58,020 --> 00:21:01,890something else. And you're notgoing to have this much fun or33900:21:01,890 --> 00:21:10,620that we used to have. But thisthis idea of being captured in34000:21:10,620 --> 00:21:13,710the advertising model issomething I would like you34100:21:13,710 --> 00:21:18,360anyone to consider carefullybefore you get into it. Because34200:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,300the worst thing that can happenis you're successful believe me.34300:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,600So what's the prediction? YouThis is a you had this as your34400:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,910prediction was? Where's thewhat's the what are you34500:21:26,910 --> 00:21:27,510predicting34600:21:28,230 --> 00:21:33,450death and destruction? SaddamSodom and Gomorrah of the ad34700:21:33,450 --> 00:21:36,240based business now I put myprediction was it's going to be34800:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,050boring. It's gonna be boring. Itwas it was gonna be boring. And34900:21:40,050 --> 00:21:42,780one has to be boring. Don't weardon't wear that crazy kooky t35000:21:42,780 --> 00:21:49,380shirt. No, no this and that,that is now being baked into35100:21:50,250 --> 00:21:58,410into the industry. Now people, Ijust feel so so bad of the hoax,35200:21:58,620 --> 00:22:01,380that there's an actual adindustry and the people are35300:22:01,380 --> 00:22:05,160making lots of money. It's notthis very small groups, I think35400:22:05,220 --> 00:22:08,430very, very small groups. Look,if Spotify can't even make35500:22:08,430 --> 00:22:15,570money, the 600 pound gorilla.They can't even make it work.35600:22:16,770 --> 00:22:18,780Where's the ad business?35700:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,880Right say I wrote down onMonday, December 2023. Adam35800:22:23,910 --> 00:22:25,440content will be boring.35900:22:26,130 --> 00:22:30,420Ad based content will be boringad bed based ad based content.36000:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,420Meanwhile, everybody else livein value for value is having a36100:22:33,420 --> 00:22:37,380good time we got the champagnewe Okay. Okay. It's more like36200:22:37,410 --> 00:22:40,830Prosecco. But you know what wegot Prosecco. And we're having a36300:22:40,830 --> 00:22:41,670good time.36400:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,240We do this why Zinfandel?36500:22:45,270 --> 00:22:49,350Exactly. We don't we don't needyour crystal. Okay, because36600:22:49,350 --> 00:22:53,010we're free men and women here.We're free. We're free to do as36700:22:53,010 --> 00:22:57,000we wish, no one can tell us whatto do. And we're supported. And36800:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,590we're loved at any given moment,by the SAT streamers.36900:23:02,520 --> 00:23:09,240The mic, I think my example toSam was HTML. And II, like, I've37000:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,320got this folder that I keeparound this got a bunch of old37100:23:13,620 --> 00:23:16,170web browsers and every every nowand then just for a kick, I'll37200:23:16,170 --> 00:23:17,790just go like fire him up. Nowthat's37300:23:17,790 --> 00:23:20,460doing runs on your machine. Andif to run that, in a virtual37400:23:20,460 --> 00:23:21,030machine,37500:23:21,270 --> 00:23:26,670does it runs like I've got acopy of IE one? No, it's just37600:23:26,670 --> 00:23:29,610it's a single executable in thatfunny. I mean, it's like a37700:23:29,610 --> 00:23:32,670single one meg executable. Youjust double click it and it37800:23:32,670 --> 00:23:36,330fires up. I mean, like, youcan't do anything. But HTML one,37900:23:36,570 --> 00:23:41,310HTML two. They had like seventags. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. You38000:23:41,310 --> 00:23:43,320know, it was like it was likenothing. But38100:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,650back in the day. Well, that wasthat was JavaScript.38200:23:47,430 --> 00:23:53,310You will, when you first sawthose early web pages, you had38300:23:53,310 --> 00:23:58,290to think okay, you here'scompanies like Adobe, over here38400:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,730that are that are behind thingslike postscript. And you have to38500:24:02,730 --> 00:24:08,520imagine that they looked at theearly web and they were like so38600:24:08,520 --> 00:24:14,430stupid that you can't Are youtelling me that thing is going38700:24:14,430 --> 00:24:19,800to take over our industry? Oh,like, that's the reaction.38800:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,480I'll take you one further.Craigslist was very clear.38900:24:25,140 --> 00:24:29,790What's his name new mark. Craig.But anyway, Craig knew. Yeah. He39000:24:29,820 --> 00:24:34,530he went to all the bigpublishing houses and said, and39100:24:34,530 --> 00:24:40,620most famously, what's the what'sthe one in Chicago? The39200:24:40,620 --> 00:24:41,910Chicago publishing his39300:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,850Publishers Clearing House.Whatever it was, they said, Hey,39400:24:47,850 --> 00:24:49,860we're going to take away yourbusiness. You should probably39500:24:49,860 --> 00:24:53,490buy us now. You know, for like,and no, it was Hearst. Actually39600:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,400no, I've heard the story fromwill Hearst. Yeah, you should.39700:24:56,430 --> 00:25:00,120You should buy us now for like$5 million in that one. It's39800:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,320true because the business modelof newspapers was classified39900:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,030ads, that's where they made themoney.40000:25:06,540 --> 00:25:08,490And then when they left him outof the room, yeah.40100:25:10,710 --> 00:25:15,060And later, later, they came backto screw him with. With that bet40200:25:15,060 --> 00:25:20,220with that. What was the backpage, the back page Backpage40300:25:20,220 --> 00:25:23,070legislation that you know, youcouldn't have, you have to vet40400:25:23,070 --> 00:25:27,390every single personal ad and sothey basically put Craigslist40500:25:27,390 --> 00:25:30,330out of business, which he couldhave seen coming to.40600:25:30,930 --> 00:25:36,810So that's my, been my predictionfor the slow march forward of40700:25:36,810 --> 00:25:40,770podcasting. 2.0 is bait is basedon that, you know, this, it's40800:25:40,770 --> 00:25:45,150easy to look over here and saythings like, up. Nobody wants40900:25:45,150 --> 00:25:49,710this crap. You know, and no,like, who cares about comments,41000:25:49,710 --> 00:25:53,700and you put in your podcast appand bobble in are so easy. Look,41100:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,850yes. Look at my spear look atSpotify. It's perfect. It's a41200:25:56,850 --> 00:26:01,050full stack. Integrated, we knowwhen you're in your car? Well, I41300:26:01,050 --> 00:26:02,190know and all this kind of stuff.41400:26:02,610 --> 00:26:05,640And I have to remind people, youknow, software is hard. It's41500:26:05,640 --> 00:26:13,620hard to do so. And when I seesomeone posting well with a41600:26:13,620 --> 00:26:16,770fountain app is going to beglitchy of dump at switch to41700:26:16,770 --> 00:26:22,140another app. Don't do that?Don't be a dick. Do you have41800:26:22,140 --> 00:26:25,170anything nice to say then? Don'tsay anything at all? It's not41900:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,550easy.42000:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,500No, but then you look back,don't you look back in a few42100:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,710years. And it's going to beyou'll see clearly the42200:26:34,710 --> 00:26:39,930transition point. When thingsbegin, I will combine I'm going42300:26:39,930 --> 00:26:44,400to do I'm going to do a trickierkind of I'm going to combine my42400:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,640prediction with your predictionto make a third prediction. Oh,42500:26:47,639 --> 00:26:51,089it's a mega prediction. It'smeta meta prediction. Here we42600:26:51,089 --> 00:26:52,619go. Here we go. Yes, yes.42700:26:53,850 --> 00:26:58,380The the ad based contentbusiness will become boring,42800:26:58,830 --> 00:27:03,720which will drive people awayfrom boring content and42900:27:03,750 --> 00:27:07,830therefore increase the pressureto come out with cool features43000:27:07,830 --> 00:27:11,730to bring people back to contentwhich will further podcasting43100:27:11,730 --> 00:27:15,3302.0 which will create and makecontent even better. The pod43200:27:15,330 --> 00:27:16,530sage has spoken43300:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,750all I had man and just pullingstuff up again.43400:27:26,460 --> 00:27:30,240Yes, this is a this is a grant.This is a great thing. This is a43500:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,890grant prediction, more ad basedcontent. More brand safe, more43600:27:34,890 --> 00:27:39,270brand safety and suitability.Yes, since shoot ha man I'm43700:27:39,270 --> 00:27:43,170gonna write this down thesehorrible things, say shoot43800:27:43,170 --> 00:27:47,250ability. Suitability,suitability what how many? How43900:27:47,250 --> 00:27:51,120do you base suitability AI willtake care of it. Don't worry.44000:27:52,380 --> 00:27:58,140The this is it. So I guess onthe same topic, a little bit44100:27:58,140 --> 00:28:01,830because the here's the chickfrom the Brookings Institute.44200:28:02,910 --> 00:28:05,730The anti podcast lady. Yeah, the44300:28:05,730 --> 00:28:06,480anti POCUS44400:28:07,950 --> 00:28:10,290issue back with another anotherarticle.44500:28:10,650 --> 00:28:13,470No, no, no, no, no, but I heardit. She's not she's not bad. The44600:28:13,470 --> 00:28:15,150last one was, the last one44700:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,510was late. It was late. It wasyeah, that was obvious. And that44800:28:18,510 --> 00:28:20,790wasn't obvious, just likesucking up to some political44900:28:20,790 --> 00:28:21,480bullcrap.45000:28:22,140 --> 00:28:27,720I only got mad once. And so I'mlike, This is stupid. But I've45100:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,720got a I've got a clip. And thisis just so we're all on the same45200:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,760page about what the BrookingsInstitution itself is. This is45300:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,480an old an old lecture by JeffTucker, back when he was at the45400:28:45,540 --> 00:28:49,080early days of the MisesInstitute in Auburn. And he's45500:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,590talking about he spent time inWashington. I don't remember45600:28:52,590 --> 00:28:54,990what I don't remember exactlywhat he did there. But he spent45700:28:54,990 --> 00:29:00,030time in DC. And he's this thelarger speech is called45800:29:00,030 --> 00:29:05,220Washington warp. It's like howthe culture of Washington DC45900:29:05,610 --> 00:29:08,910basically just changes you andmorphs you into some other46000:29:08,910 --> 00:29:13,170creature than you were when yougot there. Oh, yeah. And so this46100:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,510but he in here he drops, alittle nugget about the origins46200:29:18,510 --> 00:29:19,620of the Brookings Institution,46300:29:20,070 --> 00:29:24,540provide the Progressive Era, newrationales for state power has46400:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,570grown and become far moresophisticated. Now the46500:29:27,570 --> 00:29:30,720government needed to exist andexpand the pursuit of a social46600:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,260science in the name ofgovernment management. That's46700:29:34,260 --> 00:29:39,120the phrase public policy for thefirst time was born. And what is46800:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,420this thing called public policy?It was supposed to be some third46900:29:42,420 --> 00:29:45,810path beyond pure scholarshipand, and mere political47000:29:45,810 --> 00:29:48,840agitation. Its purpose was toput a smooth and respectable47100:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,400glass on a power grab to achievesocial management in the name of47200:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,240science. And the nation's firstthink tank, in fact, was founded47300:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,140in the height of the progressiveera in 1916. As the Institute47400:30:01,140 --> 00:30:03,810for government research, it wasinitially funded entirely by the47500:30:03,810 --> 00:30:06,660Rockefeller Foundation to carryout the dreams of the Ivy League47600:30:06,660 --> 00:30:10,890political science profession forscientific public policy. Here's47700:30:10,890 --> 00:30:14,100how the Institute for governmentresearch came about. And47800:30:14,130 --> 00:30:17,190President William Howard Taftadministration, group of these47900:30:17,190 --> 00:30:20,070broad progressive politicalscience and municipal reformers.48000:30:20,580 --> 00:30:23,340were charged with a way ofcoming up with improving data48100:30:23,340 --> 00:30:26,820collection techniques datacollection as a function of the48200:30:26,820 --> 00:30:30,540modern state commissionrecommended that Congress form a48300:30:30,540 --> 00:30:33,510consolidated information andstatistical arm of the entire48400:30:33,510 --> 00:30:36,960national government that's atthe heart of this statistic farm48500:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,150would be the budget divisionthat would present a quote48600:30:39,150 --> 00:30:41,400annual program of business forthe federal government to be48700:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,660financed by Congress. A bill wasdrafted and went to Congress but48800:30:45,660 --> 00:30:49,050Congress said no way and deepsix the whole idea on grounds48900:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,500that it seemed absurdlysocialistic, disgruntled members49000:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,360of the committee set up theInstitute for government49100:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,650research. And later a certainSt. Louis industrialist, an49200:30:58,650 --> 00:31:01,950educator took over the job offinancing it, his name was49300:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640Robert S. Brookings. After him,the Institute for government49400:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,340research was eventually renamedto become the Brookings49500:31:08,340 --> 00:31:11,130Institution. Now, the reason Itell the story, the Brookings49600:31:11,130 --> 00:31:15,060Institution is show that thatthe the relationship between the49700:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,730think tank in Washington and thegovernment has always been49800:31:17,730 --> 00:31:21,540intensely close, it can't reallybe any other way. That's always49900:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,680been the function of publicpolicy research institutes. And50000:31:25,710 --> 00:31:30,000and some extent that well, to avery large extent that survives50100:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,060to today. The story of Mr.Brookings itself is fascinating50200:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,670in its own right, and World WarOne, he was called to Washington50300:31:35,670 --> 00:31:38,070to be the commissioner offinished products and Chairman50400:31:38,070 --> 00:31:41,940of the price fixing committeeand the War Industries Board. In50500:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,390short, it was a he was a centralplanner on a totalitarian model,50600:31:45,390 --> 00:31:49,410a man who hope that many morecould follow him and enjoy the50700:31:49,410 --> 00:31:51,900thrill of fixing other people'sprices and running the economy50800:31:51,900 --> 00:31:52,560into the ground.50900:31:53,490 --> 00:31:57,840Right. So this, this makes totalsense. Of course, this is why51000:31:57,870 --> 00:32:02,220the Brookings Instituteinstitution that wants to have51100:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,240some kind of moderation policyfor podcasts because they can't51200:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,850control the message inpodcasting, which was pretty51300:32:08,850 --> 00:32:12,450much our mission statement. Ithink we in fact, at one time51400:32:12,450 --> 00:32:15,270wrote down make sure governmentcan't fuck with us was not a51500:32:15,270 --> 00:32:16,320part of the mission statement.51600:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,370Remember that? It sounds likesome food, right? Explain51700:32:20,370 --> 00:32:22,740Jeff Tucker, for people who havenever heard of him.51800:32:23,910 --> 00:32:26,760Yeah, Jeff Tucker, he was the hemay have been the first51900:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,010president of the Mises Institutein Auburn, it's in his he goes52000:32:32,010 --> 00:32:37,050back to this era when the MisesInstitute is an Austrian52100:32:37,260 --> 00:32:41,250Austrian economy, basically anAustrian economics Think Tank.52200:32:41,580 --> 00:32:45,630And they got offered, if I'm, ifI remember the story correctly,52300:32:45,630 --> 00:32:51,540when when Tucker was was leadingthat group, they got offered to,52400:32:51,990 --> 00:32:56,340I think it was by the Koch, Kochbrothers, if I'm not mistaken,52500:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,110they got offered to be wellfunded millions of dollars in52600:33:04,110 --> 00:33:09,210funding, this was maybe back inthe early 90s. But the one52700:33:09,690 --> 00:33:14,550caveat was they had to movetheir, their facilities to DC.52800:33:15,270 --> 00:33:20,730And they in the Mises Institutesaid, No thanks. Not doing it.52900:33:20,820 --> 00:33:24,270We're staying we're staying withas soon as we move to DC, we're53000:33:24,270 --> 00:33:26,850going to lose all of ourprinciples. We're going to we're53100:33:26,850 --> 00:33:31,560going to forget who we are thatsorry, they turned down millions53200:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,460of dollars basically a free ridea gravy train on based on53300:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,820principle and that all pretty,you know, pretty much was under53400:33:38,820 --> 00:33:42,750Tucker's leadership. That's theguy he is so I mean, you know53500:33:42,750 --> 00:33:45,960may you may not agree witheverything that he thinks but he53600:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,070is a person of principle.53700:33:48,240 --> 00:33:55,200So here's this is interestingthat you bring this up so I'll53800:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,260just give you my my Twitterpitch because this flows right53900:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,140into it because Twitter would beexactly the platform that he was54000:34:01,140 --> 00:34:04,530talking about, but the BrookingsInstitution would be involved in54100:34:04,530 --> 00:34:08,850and this is perfect for youknow, canceling shadow banning54200:34:08,850 --> 00:34:11,910whatever whatever kind ofcontrol you know, obfuscation54300:34:11,910 --> 00:34:15,270all of it, but it was kind offunny to see on my I have a54400:34:15,870 --> 00:34:19,860private little Mastodon instancethat I run just to subscribe to54500:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,280people so that I have no noisejust all the signal and all the54600:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,300journalists are just outraged. Ican't believe about about54700:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,460Twitter policy you know, it'slike they've always been54800:34:29,580 --> 00:34:32,970blocking, obfuscating. Nothing'sreally changed. It's well it54900:34:32,970 --> 00:34:35,670perception is it's shifted butdoesn't matter. I just want to55000:34:35,670 --> 00:34:39,960point out this is alldistraction. This is all a big55100:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,450smokescreen while everybody isrunning around with their heads55200:34:42,450 --> 00:34:45,660cut off. The stack that's beingimplemented is payment55300:34:45,660 --> 00:34:50,340authentication. Twitter hasapplied for a processing55400:34:50,340 --> 00:34:54,330license, they in essence willbecome a bank. Elon Musk wants55500:34:54,330 --> 00:34:58,020you to put money into Twitterand Twitter will give you55600:34:58,020 --> 00:35:00,990interest payments so it'd belike a month The market account.55700:35:01,860 --> 00:35:05,790So wants to run all of yourfinances, this is why it doesn't55800:35:05,790 --> 00:35:10,680matter at all, how much hecharges for the Twitter blue.55900:35:11,490 --> 00:35:14,100That is it is aboutauthenticating you with56000:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,330payments, authenticating withpayments is very critical,56100:35:18,330 --> 00:35:21,810because then you can get amonthly confirmation that your56200:35:21,810 --> 00:35:25,710data is still valid youraddress, etc. In addition to56300:35:25,710 --> 00:35:30,780that, if you've noticed, there'sa big policy around your screen56400:35:30,780 --> 00:35:35,580name. So if you have, if youhave a blue, then it has, it has56500:35:35,580 --> 00:35:39,840to be your name. Now, you may,you may be able to put in there56600:35:39,870 --> 00:35:42,240that you're with a certainorganization, but it will be56700:35:42,240 --> 00:35:49,620your name. So it's a lot lessfun to troll and, and mess with56800:35:49,620 --> 00:35:55,020people, when your name is yourreal name. And your data is who56900:35:55,020 --> 00:35:59,670you are, is traceable, easilytraceable, because there are57000:35:59,700 --> 00:36:06,570free speech or not there arelaws against slander and, and57100:36:06,570 --> 00:36:12,720other tort laws. So it's goingto be parents scuze. Me, it's57200:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,830going to be it's going to takeall the fun out of it. But it57300:36:16,830 --> 00:36:21,420will and this is what I believehe's betting on is he will have57400:36:21,420 --> 00:36:26,460the two things that arenecessary. For the central bank,57500:36:26,460 --> 00:36:29,820digital currency, wherever theworld goes, in the future, you57600:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,210will have the digital ID and thepayment mechanism with the57700:36:33,210 --> 00:36:36,570appropriate licensing andoversight to do it. And it's not57800:36:36,570 --> 00:36:38,730going to be Dogecoin and it'scertainly not going to be57900:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,820Bitcoin or lightning and stopwishing that he's going to do58000:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,850podcasting 2.0 Because it's notgoing to happen. Go look at58100:36:44,850 --> 00:36:47,280WeChat that's what he'sbuilding. That's what he's58200:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,030always said he wanted to build,and everyone is distracted by58300:36:51,030 --> 00:36:54,600this free speech thing, whichyou're gonna get exactly what58400:36:54,630 --> 00:36:57,480what you asked for it will befree speech, but you won't be58500:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,880able to hide behind any fakename or pseudonym. So the fun58600:37:02,910 --> 00:37:04,260will go will die.58700:37:06,270 --> 00:37:15,210This all the brands, brandsafety, content moderation. Ai,58800:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,440they all feed into the AI youknow, you heard in that pod news58900:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,290weekly interview, they'retalking about their AI and their59000:37:22,290 --> 00:37:25,830product and they can do all thisstuff. It all goes back to this59100:37:25,830 --> 00:37:31,140AI which is essential, which isjust skip logic is yes, it is59200:37:31,140 --> 00:37:33,060skipped in COBOL.59300:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,830Exactly, you could you can runit on as 400. I'm not impressed.59400:37:39,390 --> 00:37:43,890But that all goes back to datacollection. It's all about data59500:37:43,890 --> 00:37:47,280collection. And that's whatthat's what the Brookings59600:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,820Institute that's what theseplaces do is data collection,59700:37:51,030 --> 00:37:55,080that this it's not a it's justrunning algorithms over over a59800:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,790data set. That's not howintelligence works. That's not59900:37:59,790 --> 00:38:06,000intelligence know, that. One ofmy favorite, philosophical,60000:38:07,020 --> 00:38:11,280probably a person whosephilosophy I've built. Most of60100:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,580my own philosophy on that is atleast metaphysically is60200:38:14,790 --> 00:38:19,920Gottfried Leibniz. And he's, youcould call him a disciple of60300:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,780Descartes. But he really had alot of his own thinking he just60400:38:24,780 --> 00:38:28,530sort of fits into that mold.Because his, you know, he's60500:38:28,530 --> 00:38:32,100essentially a substance duelistbut he's not making that his60600:38:32,100 --> 00:38:36,360thinking. A substance duelistyou gotta you gotta get Yeah,60700:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,720well, like,60800:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,960you know, it's you have aphysical it's that you have the60900:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,990physical world and then thespiritual world, and they're in61000:38:42,990 --> 00:38:46,830there two different substances.They're there. They're two61100:38:46,830 --> 00:38:51,480independent, independent things,you don't have a it's not a it's61200:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,810not a unity. And so he, youknow, he, one of my favorite61300:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,380things he wrote was this, Ithink they call it the mill61400:39:01,380 --> 00:39:05,760argument. So his, it goes likethis. It's a, you know,61500:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,930philosophers like to do thoughtexperiments and possible world61600:39:09,930 --> 00:39:17,370scenarios, of course. So hesays, it's like, imagine that61700:39:17,370 --> 00:39:21,810you have a machine and thismachine can think, or whatever61800:39:21,810 --> 00:39:26,880that means. And so he thinks ofit like a mill. He says, Okay,61900:39:27,390 --> 00:39:32,940imagine that. Did you have this,you know, this mill and you blow62000:39:32,940 --> 00:39:36,660it up big enough to where youcan walk into it and see all the62100:39:36,660 --> 00:39:41,400parts. You can see the wheelspushing on on other wheels and62200:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,420the gears and all these thingsthat make the mill function? He62300:39:45,420 --> 00:39:49,920said, No, no, take no, do that.Same. That same thing. Take bit62400:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,650now take the brain and imaginethe functioning of the brain,62500:39:55,650 --> 00:40:01,740whatever you think that lookslike. Extreme below it. up large62600:40:01,740 --> 00:40:04,920enough to where you could walkinside of it and look around.62700:40:05,850 --> 00:40:11,310What would you see? What wouldyou see that represents that is?62800:40:12,450 --> 00:40:18,390That is the thinking that ishappening. You can't envision62900:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,420the push, I think he's calls itthe pushing and pulling of63000:40:21,420 --> 00:40:27,360mechanisms and parts that createwhat we know as thinking. It's63100:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,660not63200:40:29,970 --> 00:40:35,700trying to get their brother.Good.63300:40:36,990 --> 00:40:43,440And the reason is becausethoughts and perceptions are63400:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,100different from representation.So you can say, a perception and63500:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,610a representation, a perceptionof a thing, and a representation63600:40:50,610 --> 00:40:54,720of a thing or are different. Theperception of a thing a thought,63700:40:55,020 --> 00:40:58,500it's a single, it's a singular,it's a single thing, it's a63800:40:58,500 --> 00:41:03,990unity. You can't subdivide itinto lesser parts. But63900:41:04,020 --> 00:41:08,640everything else that thenincluding AI, in these things64000:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,740that pretend to be intelligence,you can always subdivide them64100:41:13,740 --> 00:41:18,180into smaller, smallercomponents. That's physics. I64200:41:18,180 --> 00:41:20,910slipped perception is notphysics. Perception is64300:41:20,910 --> 00:41:26,670metaphysics. They are thoughtsand ideas, and, and intellectual64400:41:26,670 --> 00:41:31,650objects are all singular way hecalled a monads are things that64500:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,740cannot be subdivided intosmaller parts. I mean, if they64600:41:34,740 --> 00:41:35,310represent a64700:41:35,819 --> 00:41:36,779book that you sent me,64800:41:37,950 --> 00:41:41,340Oh, no. That's a different book.64900:41:42,780 --> 00:41:45,780I'm digging it all though. I'mdigging it. I hate what you're65000:41:45,780 --> 00:41:46,200saying.65100:41:46,230 --> 00:41:48,900But this is the only reason Ibring this up. This is important65200:41:48,900 --> 00:41:54,210to remember because this is allthe artificial intent. Like, I65300:41:54,210 --> 00:41:56,340recently watched that thing withJohn Carmack, this interview65400:41:56,340 --> 00:41:58,680this Lex Friedman interview withCarmack, I think we may have65500:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,260played a clip. And he's real bithim. He's just so high on this65600:42:04,260 --> 00:42:08,400idea that we're gonna figure outintelligence man, we're gonna65700:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,520it's just gonna be so simple.And we're gonna have a general65800:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,500intelligence engine. And that'snot the way this works. This is65900:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,830the one this is why metaphysicsTrumps physics every single66000:42:19,830 --> 00:42:24,570time. The physics gets you sofar, and then it just stops and66100:42:24,570 --> 00:42:28,740you're stuck. And if you can'tgo, if you can't understand the66200:42:28,740 --> 00:42:31,230metaphysics, you're just you'rejust at a wall and you'll never,66300:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200you'll never get there. Nomatter how smart you are. I66400:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,160think we need to keep that inmind.66500:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,990I have. I have high schoolintelligence. And that's about66600:42:39,990 --> 00:42:42,330all I got. The rest is from thestreets of Amsterdam and New66700:42:42,330 --> 00:42:42,840York.66800:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,640The streets of hipsters, and allover the for the canal. That's66900:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,960right, the old and the oldstreets of London as well. All I67000:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,010know is that I can spot AI froma mile away, especially when67100:42:56,010 --> 00:43:00,330it's art. Any form of art. It'sinsulting that even okay, I67200:43:00,360 --> 00:43:00,990posted this and67300:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,960that's okay. That's why Ibrought it up that I'm glad you67400:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,500said that. This is why I broughtthis art this sometimes I bring67500:43:07,500 --> 00:43:12,240stuff up and I'm not sureexactly why this book because67600:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,890it's important to remember thosethings. Even when it we get to67700:43:16,890 --> 00:43:21,390the point where you can't spotthe difference. When we get to67800:43:21,390 --> 00:43:26,490that point, it doesn't mean thatthat that intelligence has been67900:43:26,490 --> 00:43:32,910achieved it still this thingbecause the intelligence is does68000:43:32,910 --> 00:43:38,430not fit the description of whatintelligence actually is. Pa68100:43:44,850 --> 00:43:46,440doesn't hurt what I can still68200:43:47,460 --> 00:43:50,280say yeah, I just gave you aswift kick to the going.68300:43:51,870 --> 00:43:55,500Oh my goodness. Okay, well, thatwas the sorry that was worrying.68400:43:55,530 --> 00:43:59,670No, it wasn't it was deep. Butit's okay because now comments68500:43:59,670 --> 00:44:03,180your blog. Hey, if you if youdisagree with with the pod sage,68600:44:03,180 --> 00:44:07,080boost us boost us with yourgrievance. All your grievances.68700:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,550We want to hear them please.68800:44:10,620 --> 00:44:14,940But I did bring something that Ithink will it is your favorite68900:44:14,940 --> 00:44:17,970topic. Okay. Stats,69000:44:18,390 --> 00:44:22,410we yay. Hello. Well, actually,we did have a little69100:44:22,410 --> 00:44:28,260conversation about stats. We hada back room meeting. Should I69200:44:28,260 --> 00:44:29,940tell people about our Back Roommeeting?69300:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,180hoping I was hoping that youwould do this? Yes.69400:44:34,710 --> 00:44:39,420As you know, I've had verylittle affinity with statistics69500:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,990of who's whose podcast app is ison the leader. And because all I69600:44:45,990 --> 00:44:49,320hear is everyone's podcast isnumber one. That's an every69700:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,500everyone has a list where theirpodcasts are number one, so I I69800:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,250put very little faith or anyanything and these are never69900:44:56,250 --> 00:44:58,620podcasts I'm interested inlistening to interestingly70000:44:58,620 --> 00:45:05,220enough now Um, so I, you know, Ithink I contributed 70% of the70100:45:05,220 --> 00:45:10,950data in the OP three system.Everywhere we can and we are70200:45:10,950 --> 00:45:14,310contributing data, I don'treally get much back. And then70300:45:14,310 --> 00:45:17,250you gave me a statistic which Iliked, which was, hey, because70400:45:17,250 --> 00:45:20,040we changed a few things areThank you very much. You saved70500:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,320me now. 30 minutes per no agendashow, certainly. And probably70600:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,820for most others by adding theweb hook and, and moving the no70700:45:29,820 --> 00:45:32,970agenda feed out of a horriblecash situation.70800:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,610Now you're going to you're goingto say what we did or you want70900:45:35,610 --> 00:45:37,230me to tell it? Yeah, yeah. Just71000:45:37,260 --> 00:45:39,930can you do it in a littleshorter than done the whole AI71100:45:39,930 --> 00:45:40,200thing?71200:45:42,510 --> 00:45:49,680Man, Merry Christmas to me.Thanks. Good. Okay, let's see.71300:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,410Short, short, short. Okay. Wemoved, Adam is now uploading his71400:45:55,410 --> 00:46:00,360feed to a CDN that we control,which is in object storage,71500:46:00,570 --> 00:46:06,030which behind CloudFlare, and thethe normal Feed URL for no71600:46:06,030 --> 00:46:10,620agenda is just a 302 redirect tothat URL. Okay, go.71700:46:11,970 --> 00:46:16,080Which is great, because now Idon't have to do everything by71800:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,150hand and literally wait untilthe cache on the RSS feed is71900:46:21,150 --> 00:46:25,320done for to hit the pod pingsall this stuff. So it's72000:46:25,350 --> 00:46:28,590beautiful. 30 minutes is a bigdeal in my life, when you can72100:46:28,980 --> 00:46:31,710remove that off of productionpre or post or combined.72200:46:31,830 --> 00:46:34,350You showed me your pre postchecklist. And it was72300:46:34,350 --> 00:46:35,370ridiculous. I72400:46:35,399 --> 00:46:41,339did that. So I don't messsomething up. So anyway, so this72500:46:41,339 --> 00:46:45,299now put us in the, because wedon't run any stats on that. And72600:46:45,299 --> 00:46:51,389so now we have Cloudflare cloud,yeah, Cloudflare stats, and you72700:46:51,389 --> 00:46:54,659said, Oh, man, the no agendafeed has been checked over72800:46:54,659 --> 00:46:59,33910,000 times in the last hour,lol. And I'm like, Hey, let's72900:46:59,339 --> 00:47:05,279track who because everyone who'susing pod ping is not wasteful.73000:47:05,279 --> 00:47:07,859Because you get the you get thepod pin, you know, and you don't73100:47:07,859 --> 00:47:11,489need to pull my feed. So whydon't we use the statistics for73200:47:11,489 --> 00:47:16,769something other than podcastconsultants and you know, people73300:47:16,769 --> 00:47:19,559who just want to know how theirown companies are doing, I want73400:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,379something for me. Finally,here's a stat I want so I can73500:47:22,379 --> 00:47:26,519name and shame the people whoare killing our Earth with an73600:47:26,549 --> 00:47:30,629unnecessary, unnecessary pollingof feeds. And I asked, I think I73700:47:30,629 --> 00:47:33,929asked, is it just head requests?Are they pulling in the whole73800:47:33,929 --> 00:47:39,059feed? I'd like to have a metricso we can see how much energy73900:47:39,089 --> 00:47:42,449will well we'll boil it rightback down to true energy, or74000:47:42,449 --> 00:47:46,709these platforms or apps ororganizations wasting and I'm74100:47:46,709 --> 00:47:50,969going to have a personalblacklist, which I will publish.74200:47:51,299 --> 00:47:54,179I will publish and we'll giveannual awards are going to have74300:47:54,179 --> 00:47:58,739an award, which I will try andget into the the Podcast Awards.74400:47:58,980 --> 00:48:00,240I lent it killer award.74500:48:00,780 --> 00:48:04,920Yes, the planet killers of theYear award in podcasting. And74600:48:05,010 --> 00:48:07,860I'm hoping that maybe you havesome data for us today.74700:48:09,180 --> 00:48:13,200I do have some data. The biggestplanet killer by far is podcast74800:48:13,200 --> 00:48:13,830addict.74900:48:14,190 --> 00:48:18,240Wow. Okay. In 1275000:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,930hours yesterday. Podcast atticpulled the feed 13,00075100:48:25,529 --> 00:48:28,829The actual feed not just a headrequest, but a full full Paul.75200:48:30,150 --> 00:48:34,020I didn't go that far. I just I'mjust showing purely checks. I75300:48:34,230 --> 00:48:34,650don't75400:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,650know. Versus because that'llmake a big difference, won't it?75500:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,850Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Will.The sea antenna pod checked75600:48:44,910 --> 00:48:52,0502.6 1000 times. So 2600 timespodcast guru Jason coming in75700:48:52,050 --> 00:48:55,260hot. With 97975800:48:55,650 --> 00:48:58,920the wrong way around. You got wealready blew the number one.75900:48:58,950 --> 00:49:00,630Okay. All right. So76000:49:00,630 --> 00:49:03,450I supposed to go bottom up.That's okay. It's okay.76100:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,580I'll cut it out. No one willever know. Start at the bottom.76200:49:09,540 --> 00:49:10,080Right.76300:49:12,240 --> 00:49:20,970Oddly enough, overcast was verylow 214 times in one hour. So76400:49:20,970 --> 00:49:23,490that's in one hour and then itNo, not in one hour. Now. This76500:49:23,490 --> 00:49:24,240isn't 12 hours.76600:49:24,270 --> 00:49:27,240Oh 12 hours? Well, becauseovercast, they probably he has76700:49:27,330 --> 00:49:30,720an algo running. It's like oh,publish around this day wrong76800:49:30,720 --> 00:49:36,480this time, because I know he hasthat. The AI today. I know. I76900:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,600think that's mL mL mL that fitinto the AI. All right. Okay,77000:49:42,630 --> 00:49:47,700good. Well done overcast and agold star gold star for Marco.77100:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,420All right.77200:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,630I would like to say that for Ilooked for the podcast index77300:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,770aggregator and it didn't show upon the list.77400:49:59,010 --> 00:50:00,300We have podcast In77500:50:01,020 --> 00:50:05,040this right you know how manytimes we hold hands in 12 hours77600:50:05,070 --> 00:50:06,12000 times.77700:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,240All right. Okay, so zero it'sovercast with 214 which is very77800:50:09,240 --> 00:50:09,630low77900:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,830luminary that 424.78000:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,910Can luminary even even play mypodcast?78100:50:18,690 --> 00:50:22,320I don't even know what I didn'teven know. eliminare was an app.78200:50:22,590 --> 00:50:24,060I thought it was a productioncompany.78300:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,480Maybe nearing the probablystealing my content. Okay, next.78400:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,900putting ads in there. So I'mgonna, I'm gonna throw cast78500:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,290ematic out of this list, becauseCasta Matic is owned as on78600:50:37,290 --> 00:50:40,590device. So they have no choice.He has no choice, they have to78700:50:40,590 --> 00:50:44,040do it this way. It's on device.So there's no central server78800:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,200polling. It's just like,whenever somebody opens the app,78900:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,250he's got a check. Franco a go apass.79000:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,810But hold on a second. How doesthat work? Then? In the future?79100:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,660Will apps be able to just accesspod ping? Or is not the way it79200:51:00,660 --> 00:51:04,380should be done? Just go and saywhat's updated? Look at? I mean,79300:51:04,380 --> 00:51:07,200how will that run in the future?If it's on device? If you have79400:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,800no central server? Getting youcan't use pod ping?79500:51:11,759 --> 00:51:15,839Now, I think we're we're workingon that that is that's gonna be79600:51:16,439 --> 00:51:20,309that's gonna be a future phase.Is this is to make is to make79700:51:20,309 --> 00:51:23,699this accessible, easy, moreeasily accessible to the, to the79800:51:23,699 --> 00:51:27,089apps where they don't have tohave servers. For now, they're,79900:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,759they're stuck. Okay, we'regetting we're getting we're80000:51:29,759 --> 00:51:33,659getting there that we're gonnathere's a bunch of browsers and80100:51:33,659 --> 00:51:36,089stuff in here that I have tojust think these are fake.80200:51:37,289 --> 00:51:42,629Because it's just like browser,like, I mean, is Mozilla. I80300:51:42,629 --> 00:51:46,079mean, it's Firefox checking you3000 tosses can't be right. It80400:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,509has to be like fake scrapers orsomething.80500:51:49,740 --> 00:51:50,700Maybe I don't know.80600:51:52,020 --> 00:51:56,310But okay, so that's, that's thethat's the the list there of80700:51:56,310 --> 00:52:02,070people of how many times peoplepull you. But then you have this80800:52:02,070 --> 00:52:05,010is this is just sort of a sidething. You know, that overcast80900:52:05,010 --> 00:52:09,750does this interesting thing,where he puts in the user agent,81000:52:09,750 --> 00:52:14,460how many subscribers your feedhas? Hmm. So in his user agent,81100:52:14,460 --> 00:52:19,500there's a in parentheses, itsays, X number of subscribers.81200:52:20,010 --> 00:52:23,250So you can find out how manypeople are following you on81300:52:23,250 --> 00:52:26,100overcast by just looking at theFA user agent. And so81400:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,800what does that say for me? Didyou did you find how many81500:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,760subscribers I have81600:52:30,030 --> 00:52:33,5707786. And only81700:52:34,050 --> 00:52:37,80014 accesses interesting. So justdoing it smartly? Yeah.81800:52:38,370 --> 00:52:44,370So now there's 707 8707 or 86?No, Jenna subscribers on81900:52:44,460 --> 00:52:48,720overcast. And if you look atpretty much every stat chart,82000:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,450you can find bus routes a goodrepresentative. It's all82100:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,200overcast always appears to beabout 1% of the total. How about82200:53:01,590 --> 00:53:02,910that? About 800? Yeah,82300:53:02,940 --> 00:53:07,320that kind of is what we've beenthinking. Right? Right. Like a82400:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,530million a million and a half perweek. I think it's what we came82500:53:10,530 --> 00:53:15,360up with about seven 800,000subscribers. Wow. Cool. Podcast.82600:53:18,930 --> 00:53:21,450That still is a meaninglessnumber by the way.82700:53:22,290 --> 00:53:30,870Go podcast. Go podcast. I feelgood about myself. I love one82800:53:30,870 --> 00:53:35,370day when when James Cridlandsays my law that's a big podcast82900:53:35,370 --> 00:53:39,030that no agenda that's bigpodcasts. That's right. That's83000:53:39,030 --> 00:53:40,710right. Look at my big one overhere.83100:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,830This this you know what? Thisbrings up a separate thing83200:53:46,830 --> 00:53:47,160though.83300:53:48,570 --> 00:53:50,490You haven't finished the list?You haven't finished? We83400:53:50,490 --> 00:53:54,540haven't? I did. Okay, then afterthat. So then it's a83500:53:54,570 --> 00:53:59,520podcast. Everything else wasjust a an estrus cast, and then83600:53:59,520 --> 00:53:59,880it's83700:54:01,290 --> 00:54:06,210into antenna pod. And what wasthe worst podcast?83800:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,870Podcast addict? Yeah. Wow. Butyou know,83900:54:10,590 --> 00:54:12,810but where's apple? I don'tunderstand. Where's apple in84000:54:12,810 --> 00:54:16,770this where Spotify? They no oneon Apple listens to my show?84100:54:17,340 --> 00:54:17,760Well, you84200:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,670mean your show shows up late onApple anyway? And maybe because84300:54:20,670 --> 00:54:22,440they're not taking the mainframemuch.84400:54:22,500 --> 00:54:25,680Do they show up at all in thelist of checking the feed?84500:54:26,130 --> 00:54:30,060I'm not seeing anything on herethat shows apple. So this was84600:54:30,060 --> 00:54:31,440before you publish? Yeah.84700:54:31,860 --> 00:54:33,960I don't I don't know. This mustbe all on device.84800:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,350I don't know. I don't know.84900:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,700If I can't shame apple. What'sthe point of my list?85000:54:42,330 --> 00:54:44,940Okay, I'll come back next weekwith a new list that has apple85100:54:45,060 --> 00:54:46,080firmly at the top.85200:54:46,650 --> 00:54:49,830Thank you. That's the way listsare made when we do PR. Okay.85300:54:49,830 --> 00:54:51,960Good work. Good work, Dave.Thank you.85400:54:51,990 --> 00:54:54,660Well, I don't I don't work forBrookings. So I didn't know what85500:54:54,660 --> 00:54:58,740my marching orders were inadvance. I brought real data not85600:54:58,890 --> 00:55:00,660not data. They said what Iwanted to,85700:55:00,750 --> 00:55:04,650I want to remind people thatthere is a, this ties into your85800:55:04,650 --> 00:55:08,910stats. There's a value for valuedot info if you're looking to85900:55:08,910 --> 00:55:14,730explain what value for value isvalue for value dot info, and86000:55:14,730 --> 00:55:17,670that was that's a project thatGigi and I have been working on.86100:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,630It's it's a work in progress.And it was kind of fun, because86200:55:21,630 --> 00:55:28,080he has in there, how many, hehas an updated stat of how many86300:55:28,110 --> 00:55:32,220value enabled podcasts thereare. And, of course, we update86400:55:32,220 --> 00:55:34,950everything through the GitHubjust to make it really, really86500:55:34,980 --> 00:55:38,520like really cool, man, like,update on the GitHub. Hey, my86600:55:38,520 --> 00:55:45,030PRs ready GG. And all of asudden I see him with a PR and86700:55:45,030 --> 00:55:49,350it's it's he's now he has a botthat is automatically updating86800:55:49,350 --> 00:55:52,920the count. And he's pulling fromthe new our stats.86900:55:54,270 --> 00:55:57,090Oh, oh, that yeah, the newpackage. Yeah.87000:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,600Because all sudden, I saw theJSON pop up in in the GitHub,87100:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,880like, oh, that's where he'sgetting it from now. Cool.87200:56:03,540 --> 00:56:06,180That's good. That's a good wayto do it. Because that's it.87300:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,540Whenever you see somebody knownothing about our the length of87400:56:09,540 --> 00:56:11,280the programming language.Whenever you see somebody do87500:56:11,340 --> 00:56:14,130doing work in art, you're like,Oh, that's it. That's a data87600:56:14,130 --> 00:56:14,760scientist.87700:56:14,790 --> 00:56:20,490Yeah. Huh. Sexy. You can justyou can just use that if you87800:56:20,490 --> 00:56:24,210like hanging out at thecafeteria at MIT. Oh, yeah. Oh,87900:56:24,210 --> 00:56:28,170for sure. If I could findsomeone an associate to work88000:56:28,170 --> 00:56:29,850with the on my our statspackage.88100:56:31,410 --> 00:56:33,750Every year, you just need a tshirt. Or someone88200:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,640who's single and can work latenights.88300:56:39,840 --> 00:56:46,440The is, you know, one thing thatthis is not a prediction. Is it?88400:56:46,470 --> 00:56:53,400No, it's not a prediction. Or aB? Can we just say that? This88500:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,660has been a bad year for IB ingeneral. Because I hate these88600:56:57,660 --> 00:56:59,970maybe download things suck.88700:57:00,420 --> 00:57:03,330Oh, if? Yeah, we can88800:57:03,330 --> 00:57:05,610Dalvik the Dalvik thing with?88900:57:06,720 --> 00:57:11,550Yep, prove once again, after 18years, we do not have a business89000:57:11,550 --> 00:57:15,390model people. You don't havesomething that is reliable. We89100:57:15,390 --> 00:57:16,680don't have a model89200:57:17,970 --> 00:57:22,530where everybody to the storybehind the Dalvik Samsung thing89300:57:22,530 --> 00:57:28,650was that, you know, oh, it was abug in Samsung. In Samsung's89400:57:28,890 --> 00:57:35,760player. But the it was onlyvaguely mentioned that on a89500:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,010couple of times. On a couple ofpodcasts. I heard that these89600:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,380were again, again, these wereall IAB compliant downloads.89700:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,830Every one of them every time oneof these things happens where89800:57:46,830 --> 00:57:52,290you have the game ad podcast inplace and in the buggy Samsung89900:57:52,290 --> 00:58:00,180app in the you know, the buggy.Apple app. It's always a be90000:58:00,180 --> 00:58:03,870compliant downloads, thesenumbers are complete trash.90100:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,410I want to Okay, yes. And, and Ican even you know, the stuff90200:58:10,410 --> 00:58:14,460that Spurlock is doing is inthat regard, great because you90300:58:14,460 --> 00:58:19,050know, the Opie three playgroundis that's totally going to90400:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,160discredit and ruin everythingthat has ever existed in90500:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,570advertising. And it is, forpodcasts. It's an immeasurable90600:58:27,570 --> 00:58:30,900thing, it you should, you shouldgive in go value for value value90700:58:30,900 --> 00:58:36,030for value dot info. And, and Iwill, I'm not stupid. And I've90800:58:36,150 --> 00:58:39,330been in media all of my life,you just heard we have about90900:58:39,570 --> 00:58:46,410800,000 people subscribing. If Icould make shitloads of money91000:58:46,440 --> 00:58:54,540and not have to care at all, byrunning ads? I would. But what I91100:58:54,540 --> 00:59:00,600get out of the value for valuefor 15 years is better. That you91200:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,610can quantify that however youwant. For sure. 25% of it is I91300:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,880don't have to have a singlemeeting within a hole about what91400:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,430I said or how I read the copy.Or could you back off on that?91500:59:14,430 --> 00:59:17,070Or could you punch that up abit? And could you just mention91600:59:17,070 --> 00:59:19,350that instead of this? I don'thave to do that.91700:59:19,590 --> 00:59:22,560So that's worth it late is worthat least 50 grand right there.91800:59:23,340 --> 00:59:27,270I'm just saying is 25% of the ofthe joy that I don't but I had a91900:59:27,270 --> 00:59:29,850lot of meetings. So I mean,newbies, you still might like92000:59:29,850 --> 00:59:32,010meetings and think you'reimportant, but you're not92100:59:33,660 --> 00:59:38,160me. That is something I've alsolearned about during the92200:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,510podcasting 2.092300:59:39,870 --> 00:59:43,350Well, you've become a podcast oryou you are a podcaster and you92400:59:43,350 --> 00:59:46,920understand now how it all fitstogether and how it works. I92500:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,560mean, you you grasp that withtwo hands.92600:59:49,980 --> 00:59:54,330And one thing I've clearlylearned is that meetings make92700:59:54,330 --> 00:59:57,030you feel great for about fiveminutes and then you realize92800:59:57,030 --> 00:59:59,310that nobody's ever going to dowhat they promised you they're92900:59:59,310 --> 01:00:01,710going to do in a meeting Yeah,exactly. It's like it's just all93001:00:01,710 --> 01:00:04,470it's like, oh, man, this isgreat that you know, it sounds93101:00:04,470 --> 01:00:06,840like there's really somemomentum here six months later,93201:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,320nothing.93301:00:07,620 --> 01:00:10,560Oh, yeah, I forgot on one otherprediction in that vein, I93401:00:10,560 --> 01:00:18,270predict cross app comments willnot happen in 2023. That's my93501:00:18,270 --> 01:00:22,500prediction. It's my prediction.Something else will happen. But93601:00:22,530 --> 01:00:24,480it's not happening. I can see noone's doing it.93701:00:25,710 --> 01:00:27,900I don't know if I'm getting anddon't know if I'm going to join93801:00:27,900 --> 01:00:30,420on board with this prediction.This This seems93901:00:32,010 --> 01:00:34,740this is my reverse psychologyprediction. Oh,94001:00:34,740 --> 01:00:38,370okay. Yeah. Of course, I shouldhave known this. This is you94101:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,920this is you baiting developersand doing what you want?94201:00:40,950 --> 01:00:44,130Yeah. Now developers either doit or they don't. And whatever94301:00:44,130 --> 01:00:48,090reason, even with the I thoughtyou were right, I thought the94401:00:48,090 --> 01:00:51,990mastodon influx, you know,people are now interacting.94501:00:51,990 --> 01:00:54,780They're enjoying it. There's,you know, there's, there's a lot94601:00:54,780 --> 01:00:56,940of LARPers and Ron, but youknow, there's, there's94701:00:56,940 --> 01:00:59,700definitely got heat, you know,to be able to say, hey, we now94801:00:59,730 --> 01:01:02,910integrate now, the comments,they, you know, comments in our94901:01:02,910 --> 01:01:05,760app show up and other apps showup on your Mastodon, you can95001:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,940follow it from your instance, Ican write the marketing plan in95101:01:08,940 --> 01:01:14,880three seconds for you. But Iknow it's hard to it's hard to95201:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,030develop stuff. And people, youknow, developers that develop95301:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,640what they want to what they'reinterested in. They don't do it95401:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800because they have to, it'sbecause what they're interested95501:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,410in. And so if there's nointerest, I know that just shut95601:01:25,410 --> 01:01:29,700up and barking up a tree with nono bird in it. No cat, no cat in95701:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,300the tree. I get I'll get to you.They're not lazy. They're all95801:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,580working on their stuff that theywant you work on what you want95901:01:35,580 --> 01:01:36,990to work on. Right?96001:01:37,050 --> 01:01:41,250Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'mworking on right now. The 100%,96101:01:41,250 --> 01:01:42,990retro, dynamic feed96201:01:43,050 --> 01:01:48,480they see in this, I love you somuch. I know all I have to do is96301:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,950my my theory with developers, isall I have to do is I have to96401:01:52,950 --> 01:01:56,670deliver the data, the content,the feed, if I can just keep96501:01:56,670 --> 01:02:00,720delivering and I deliver a crossapp comments on four shows96601:02:00,900 --> 01:02:07,650800,000 subscribers who couldpotentially participate in cross96701:02:07,650 --> 01:02:09,990app comments? Yeah,96801:02:10,020 --> 01:02:13,500maybe it's a driver would andwill no, absolutely would do it.96901:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,840And oh, and by the way, I justwant to say yesterday, I hit up97001:02:18,840 --> 01:02:25,980John C. Dvorak and said, Hey,tomorrow I want to demo our bit97101:02:25,980 --> 01:02:28,170Bitcoin to dollar interface.97201:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,820Ooh, is that is it how is thatlike ready to go? It's working97301:02:33,540 --> 01:02:34,530with key send?97401:02:35,040 --> 01:02:40,290No, it's no not yet. It'sworking with right now you can97501:02:40,320 --> 01:02:46,650just pay with a with a with awallet. The point is, it goes97601:02:47,820 --> 01:02:54,690into no agendas account throughibex, IB e x, who built us and97701:02:54,720 --> 01:03:01,590it goes with automatic overnightbank transfer in dollars it97801:03:01,590 --> 01:03:06,270arrives in your bank account,which was a prerequisite to97901:03:06,270 --> 01:03:12,390receive Bitcoin from people formy partner and we have 100% veto98001:03:12,390 --> 01:03:17,370on each side. So no, no Bitcointouches the LLC. Okay, so we98101:03:17,370 --> 01:03:21,690figured that out. The only thingthat touches the LLC is the98201:03:21,690 --> 01:03:26,160dollar payment. And he's like,oh, cool, I can't wait to see98301:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,790it. And he has everything Iwanted him to have like he can98401:03:29,790 --> 01:03:33,150make a little link with a prefilled out amount or an open98501:03:33,150 --> 01:03:35,910amount or you can drop into hisnewsletter. So it's like a drop98601:03:35,910 --> 01:03:42,570in replacement for Pay Pal. Andonce that's working, which will98701:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,630probably start promoting in aweek or two or maybe as of98801:03:45,630 --> 01:03:51,870January 1, then Ibex will addthe key send functionality98901:03:51,870 --> 01:03:54,570because now they basically haveto add that to their wood,99001:03:54,570 --> 01:03:57,360whatever whatever sitting on topof their node, you know, because99101:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,500they're 100% custodial solutionand then I would just be able to99201:04:01,500 --> 01:04:06,780pop that in as a as a value IDfor in the value block of the no99301:04:06,780 --> 01:04:07,950agenda podcast99401:04:09,510 --> 01:04:13,620that yeah, so are you but moreimportantly more importantly99501:04:13,650 --> 01:04:16,350tomorrow is that there is I meana Sunday is that going to be the99601:04:16,740 --> 01:04:19,950with the key send no no with thekeys in both the other with the99701:04:19,950 --> 01:04:21,750standard donation stuff99801:04:21,780 --> 01:04:25,950probably not I'm gonna say thishe's gonna want to play around99901:04:25,950 --> 01:04:29,430with it and we got to get theback end there's an export and100001:04:29,430 --> 01:04:32,280everyone has to get you knowthere's a process but we have we100101:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,650have we keep adding differentways you get turned the ship100201:04:34,650 --> 01:04:37,290Yeah, well, you gotta add thisto the ship it's like these100301:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,750little lifeboat that's comingalongside we gotta get these100401:04:39,750 --> 01:04:49,110guys on board. And but then wecan actively promote my my100501:04:49,110 --> 01:04:52,560thinking is I want to promotethe splits. So I want to promote100601:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,130the and make sure that artistsknow that they need to get100701:04:56,130 --> 01:05:00,360themselves a wallet somewhereand I will probably eat So you100801:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,350can use the existing wallet andthe podcast app you have or you100901:05:04,350 --> 01:05:08,550might want to use the Alby orbreeze or whatever. So we can,101001:05:08,580 --> 01:05:10,920you know, there's a lot ofpeople listening, maybe a couple101101:05:10,920 --> 01:05:18,900will, will stick with you. Takeadvantage of it. People101201:05:18,990 --> 01:05:20,610help. I'm trying to.101301:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,500Everyone wants to know, how canI market my stuff? Hello,101401:05:26,130 --> 01:05:29,490I've got there's this there's a,there's a fleeting thought that101501:05:29,490 --> 01:05:32,100is going through my head rightnow. It's, it's got something to101601:05:32,100 --> 01:05:42,240do with combining the motivate.Okay, the cross app comments?101701:05:44,130 --> 01:05:54,930The I think this is sufferingfrom a lack of narcissism. And101801:05:54,930 --> 01:05:58,860this is not a criticism,criticism. Exactly. 100%. The101901:05:58,860 --> 01:06:04,020same way? The the motive, theprimary motivation for boosting102001:06:04,950 --> 01:06:09,150is that you get to hear yourselfin the show. I mean, let's just,102101:06:09,330 --> 01:06:11,400I mean, that's that's 90% of it.102201:06:11,939 --> 01:06:17,099No, no, I disagree. For boostingor booster gram102301:06:17,130 --> 01:06:19,980or the histogram histogram,histograms,102401:06:20,009 --> 01:06:24,359I can I would not I will notagree with with that percentage.102501:06:24,359 --> 01:06:27,209For some people. Yes. For somepeople, it doesn't matter. It's102601:06:27,209 --> 01:06:32,189going to be different. I like toboost high so a guaranteed My102701:06:32,219 --> 01:06:35,759my, my message will be read. Butthat's not because I want to102801:06:35,759 --> 01:06:39,869hear myself. It's like I want tocriticize, usually pod pod news.102901:06:41,669 --> 01:06:45,359Yes, I sent 25,000 SATs likehey, I'm criticizing you. Please103001:06:45,359 --> 01:06:50,069read this. That's silly. It'snot always that. People. It's103101:06:50,070 --> 01:06:54,840not that you want to hearyourself, it's you want. Let me103201:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,560try to clarify a little bit. Letme let me be less informal with103301:06:58,560 --> 01:07:06,870my with my language. As for me,I sent booster grams to shows in103401:07:06,870 --> 01:07:11,490order to provoke a discussionpoint that I'm interested in.103501:07:11,610 --> 01:07:14,910Oh, okay. Valid, same, sameidea. It's not it's not the you103601:07:14,910 --> 01:07:17,100don't need to hear your voicethough. You don't need to hear103701:07:17,100 --> 01:07:19,890your name. You just want towrite get you want to be part of103801:07:19,890 --> 01:07:20,460the show.103901:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,840Right? I want to be part of theshows. Yes. Thank you be a part104001:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,960of the show. I was like, I heara thing. And I'm like, Oh, I104101:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,470have this thought about thatthing. I'm going to entice the104201:07:31,470 --> 01:07:36,090host of the show to discuss thisthing that I've my thoughts by104301:07:36,090 --> 01:07:40,800giving them money. Yeah, that's,that's valid. Sure. And it's a104401:07:40,800 --> 01:07:46,320very enticing way to do. So. Hethat mechanism does not exist104501:07:46,320 --> 01:07:53,370with cross app comments. Crossapp comments, has no guarantee104601:07:53,430 --> 01:08:02,460of a feedback mechanism in thesame way. So here, this this is104701:08:03,030 --> 01:08:09,810my thinking goes that if we cancombine the two and I'm not104801:08:09,810 --> 01:08:12,660talking about lighteningcomments, I'm not saying if104901:08:12,660 --> 01:08:17,100somehow you can have this issort of like Super Chat. All105001:08:17,100 --> 01:08:18,960right. Okay, this is comingtogether. This isn't making more105101:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,680sense. Now. If you're in a superchannels, let somebody on105201:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,540YouTube. You see all of those,you see the paid stuff and the105301:08:27,540 --> 01:08:32,400non paid stuff in the samesection. And that's what we're105401:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,540lacking here. The boosterGraham's go to one place, the105501:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,370the cross app comments live in adifferent place. If they were co105601:08:41,370 --> 01:08:48,900mingled together, then you wouldyou may have more enticement to105701:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,950cross app comment, because youhave the booster grams that are105801:08:52,950 --> 01:08:56,430starting the conversation ordrive, they're driving the105901:08:56,430 --> 01:09:00,090conversation. They're drivingthe comments section. And then106001:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,930other people pipe in to reply,but they don't have to pay.106101:09:03,930 --> 01:09:07,350They're just replying to thecomment. So I guess my thought106201:09:07,350 --> 01:09:15,270is some sort of gateway, whereyou could have a site where you106301:09:15,270 --> 01:09:18,480can have a cross app, like maybeyou put something in your split,106401:09:18,870 --> 01:09:23,550and what you put in your splitis a gateway, that where when a106501:09:23,550 --> 01:09:26,250booster Graham goes to that itgets converted to an activity106601:09:26,250 --> 01:09:31,260pub, cross F comment and post itto the route post. And that is106701:09:31,260 --> 01:09:38,550like it's, it's it's seeding thecross app comment, thread, and106801:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,370key and starting it, it's likelighting the fire so that other106901:09:41,370 --> 01:09:43,170people have things to respondto.107001:09:43,529 --> 01:09:46,559Alright, so I'm gonna disagreewith you on a little bit of the107101:09:46,559 --> 01:09:50,969theory. I understand what you'resaying. But super chats are, as107201:09:50,969 --> 01:09:57,419far as I know only really usedin live environments. And, and107301:09:57,419 --> 01:10:04,709not on just a podcast that Uh,that has two different levels of107401:10:04,739 --> 01:10:08,879comments. But you, you have mademe think a little bit and107501:10:09,089 --> 01:10:12,989success. Yeah, I think that whatyou have successfully done has107601:10:12,989 --> 01:10:17,489taken me off cross app commentsaltogether, I there's probably107701:10:17,489 --> 01:10:25,079and even what to who said thisice cube soup? Cross app107801:10:25,079 --> 01:10:28,079comments will succeed as soon asthere's sufficient desire for107901:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,589users to quarrel with eachother. You know, that's true. I108001:10:31,589 --> 01:10:35,459look at the lightning commentson on fountain Aina what I see,108101:10:35,969 --> 01:10:40,049it's all except for mine, it'sall positive. It's all like,108201:10:40,049 --> 01:10:42,899Hey, this is cool. You know, andpeople were responding that, you108301:10:42,899 --> 01:10:46,409know, the reply function ispretty decent. You can you can108401:10:46,409 --> 01:10:52,559boost someone a little bit? Who,who's who posted a comment, I108501:10:52,559 --> 01:10:56,669have to say, I check that outafter every show that I do,108601:10:56,669 --> 01:11:00,869where it's enabled. And, and,and there's real interaction,108701:11:00,869 --> 01:11:05,489and people are sending the showmoney, and all the other stuff,108801:11:05,939 --> 01:11:11,369you know, it is probably morenoise than signal. And, and108901:11:11,369 --> 01:11:14,759it's, it's not. And I thinkhonestly, the fact that it that109001:11:14,759 --> 01:11:20,129it doesn't have a lightningpayment component is probably109101:11:20,159 --> 01:11:24,029subconsciously, possibly areason why developers are less109201:11:24,029 --> 01:11:27,629interested in in doing it.Because you know, it's just more109301:11:27,629 --> 01:11:30,209hassle in your life, the way Isee it, Okay, I gotta develop109401:11:30,209 --> 01:11:32,729this thing got to put it all in,you know, gotta go through the109501:11:32,729 --> 01:11:35,159whole cycle, I'm not reallygetting anything out of it. And109601:11:35,159 --> 01:11:37,919probably what I will get ispeople bitching and moaning at109701:11:37,919 --> 01:11:40,859each other wanting comments tobe removed or whatever have to109801:11:40,859 --> 01:11:45,659explain it. And only a smallpiece of my app will show that109901:11:45,659 --> 01:11:48,689they won't show up everywhere.And there's not consistent. I110001:11:48,689 --> 01:11:51,749mean, I've we've been doing thisfor two and a half years, and110101:11:51,749 --> 01:11:54,209I've pretty much heard at all, Idon't think it's going to110201:11:54,209 --> 01:11:57,389happen. And I would much rathergo with something like the110301:11:57,389 --> 01:12:00,719lightning comments if we couldmake it work everywhere. Because110401:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,119it's working when something it'sthe hardest thing when110501:12:03,119 --> 01:12:07,829something's working. Now, we'renot pursuing this one. It's110601:12:07,829 --> 01:12:13,919working. But we're not pursuingit. And it kind of fills the110701:12:13,919 --> 01:12:19,229void. I'm sad. But I'd like tomove forward with something.110801:12:19,740 --> 01:12:22,560Is this not the end result thatI was going? No, I110901:12:22,559 --> 01:12:25,889know, I know it is. But I'msaying this with love for the111001:12:25,889 --> 01:12:27,089idea, obviously.111101:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,110But okay, here. You know, as Isent you in signal this morning,111201:12:31,110 --> 01:12:36,120I sent you a link to an article.Yeah. And you screenshot it back111301:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,270to me the first column LOL LOLlook at the first comment that111401:12:39,270 --> 01:12:42,930was not a paid comment. No, Iknow. I know. It was often111501:12:42,990 --> 01:12:46,680oftentimes in YouTube videos andsuch, you go in there and you111601:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,680look at the video, and you get agood chuckle out of the first111701:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,370few comments that are funny,right? Like didn't you look if111801:12:53,370 --> 01:12:57,840you if you make it, if you makeit all if it's pay to play you111901:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,680lose, potentially lose goodcontent112001:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,740also, I mean, I'm in fullagreement with you112101:13:05,490 --> 01:13:11,880100% 100% 100% No, I meanagreeing with you, but I think112201:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,750I'm just gonna stop focusingcomplaining whatever, I will not112301:13:15,750 --> 01:13:20,040stop making my route posts. Soit will always be there when112401:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,340anyone wants to pick it up. ButI'm not going to ask beg talk112501:13:23,340 --> 01:13:26,160about it bitching moan that wellthat's my prediction. I'm not112601:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,040going to talk about it anymore.If it if it happens I'll be112701:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,850there and I'll be there topromote it and any apps directly112801:13:32,850 --> 01:13:36,930that support it until that untilthat moment I mean what I'll112901:13:36,930 --> 01:13:39,690where I want people to have agood experience113001:13:42,540 --> 01:13:45,450here's an ISO that perfectlythere's a delivered a nice of113101:13:45,450 --> 01:13:48,210that period that perfectlyencapsulate encapsulates this113201:13:50,220 --> 01:13:53,010but yes, I would presume it tothis one okay, whatever.113301:13:53,400 --> 01:13:59,550Yep. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonnahave to build something. I'm113401:13:59,550 --> 01:14:02,550gonna have to write something. Ican feel it already113501:14:02,580 --> 01:14:06,270build something write something.Oh, we yeah, we need you113601:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,230programming.113701:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,900That's what I mean. That's alearning right?113801:14:11,100 --> 01:14:14,310Don't Don't stop you're just youwere you were so all jacked up113901:14:14,310 --> 01:14:19,770and doing the 100% of retroretro retro fi don't stop doing114001:14:19,770 --> 01:14:26,460that. I love that. I'm not gonnaI don't believe in Hey, man. How114101:14:26,460 --> 01:14:28,530bad is it that we lost ChristineMcVie?114201:14:29,820 --> 01:14:32,340Oh bandit they114301:14:32,460 --> 01:14:36,330how much she was she wrote a lotof the song she wrote a lot of114401:14:36,330 --> 01:14:37,050those hits.114501:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,580Okay, so this was about to askher I thought that she was she114601:14:41,580 --> 01:14:42,900was there from the beginningright she was114701:14:45,330 --> 01:14:48,180she was asked to come in theband already existed when it114801:14:48,180 --> 01:14:51,720existed, I think and I happen tolook this up when she married to114901:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,970the bass player. Yeah, LindseyBuckingham.115001:14:55,110 --> 01:14:57,360No debate. Now LindseyBuckingham is a guitar player,115101:14:57,420 --> 01:15:01,590right? Yes, you're right. The Isee115201:15:01,590 --> 01:15:04,440I thought Lindsey Buckingham andStevie Nicks came in after the115301:15:04,440 --> 01:15:04,950fact.115401:15:04,980 --> 01:15:09,540You're right. Now let me see.I'm going to consult the book115501:15:09,540 --> 01:15:14,310knowledge here for a second,though, that's NEC when she was115601:15:14,310 --> 01:15:15,870in Chicken Shack.115701:15:16,949 --> 01:15:18,629Oh, yeah. This dynamic banchicken.115801:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,560That one. I think I know she wasasked in let me see Fleetwood115901:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,550Mac. She was a fan. She wastouring with Chicken Shack. And116001:15:29,550 --> 01:15:31,920the two bands would often meetso she was asked if she was not116101:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,640there from the beginning. Okay,she was asked to come but she116201:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,960wrote a lot of songs.116301:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,460Great for us. It's beautifulvoice. beautiful voice.116401:15:41,910 --> 01:15:46,920Yeah, she kind of they have alist of the song she wrote. I116501:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,840know that she wrote a lot ofthem.116601:15:49,469 --> 01:15:55,889Why did don't stop believing.Reminds you of Fleetwood Mac,116701:15:56,400 --> 01:16:02,010because it triggered don't stopthinking about tomorrow. Oh,116801:16:02,010 --> 01:16:06,480okay. I guess you would, whichis is embedded in a weird way116901:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,520because then I always thinkabout the Clintons. And that117001:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,090always creeps me out. Becausethat was that was that was Bill117101:16:12,090 --> 01:16:15,810Clinton's campaign. Song with AlGore.117201:16:16,349 --> 01:16:19,409Is that the one where hisbrother George Clinton would117301:16:19,409 --> 01:16:23,759come up and start playing thesax. The saxophone on stage.117401:16:23,759 --> 01:16:24,449It's y'all117501:16:24,510 --> 01:16:30,000know, I don't know. Who knows.Now remember that? He did. That117601:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,270whole sacks. vibe was creepytoo. Of course. Yeah.117701:16:33,990 --> 01:16:36,690Anybody that plays the sax is alittle creepy. I mean, let's117801:16:36,690 --> 01:16:37,620let's Can we just say that?117901:16:37,620 --> 01:16:40,980Oh, yeah, I mean, Kenny G top ofthe list. Creepy Zoids118001:16:41,550 --> 01:16:43,500Oh, yeah. He just stares at you.I don't like it.118101:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,260You know, he has that perpetualthing where you can keep blowing118201:16:46,290 --> 01:16:48,150up. He doesn't have to breathebecause you breathe through his118301:16:48,150 --> 01:16:52,230nose and he keeps he can keepkeep blowing the SAS weird too.118401:16:52,260 --> 01:16:54,300Yeah. I mean, there's even thefact that you can do that as118501:16:54,300 --> 01:16:59,040weird Kenny G. Someone wassomeone once said to my partner,118601:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,730Ron Bloom said, man, you're sogood at business you'd like118701:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,090you'd like Kenny G plays hissaxophone. And Ron is also a118801:17:06,090 --> 01:17:09,480musician and it was not a goodmoment. Not a118901:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,940good perpetual bloke very119001:17:11,940 --> 01:17:14,820good, very bad. I'm gonna justthank a couple of people who119101:17:14,820 --> 01:17:17,640have been boosting us livebecause I think it wants to in119201:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,690the in the year end for end ofthe year end mood because we're119301:17:21,690 --> 01:17:24,900getting some nice boosts heretoday. And we are lit of course119401:17:26,370 --> 01:17:32,670contracts about that contractsthe stats package boosts 10,000119501:17:32,670 --> 01:17:36,450SATs Thank you very much big bigperformance update for contracts119601:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,910V for V dashboard dropping thisweekend. Hello. No up next usage119701:17:41,910 --> 01:17:46,500via value split 2023 will be thebest year ever for independent119801:17:46,500 --> 01:17:50,610podcasters I love what they'redoing. contracts. It runs all in119901:17:50,610 --> 01:17:54,150the browser which hasinteresting advantages and120001:17:54,150 --> 01:17:57,780disadvantages. Advantage. Noservice. It's it runs in your120101:17:57,780 --> 01:18:01,290browser. You know, it's kindalike a virtual machine. It spins120201:18:01,290 --> 01:18:04,530up and runs a downside. Yourefresh your page. You're120301:18:04,530 --> 01:18:07,770refreshing everything now allthe way to the beginning. Go120401:18:07,770 --> 01:18:12,180back to zero. I can't wait. Ilooking forward I love I love120501:18:12,180 --> 01:18:15,330the Saturn stuff. I love thecontract stuff. It's fantastic.120601:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,930Then we have Eric Eric p p33,333. No note 45,000 from Matt120701:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,870madeiros podcasting. 2.0 is mysuitability. No casting podcast.120801:18:32,850 --> 01:18:37,890See Brooklyn 112 40,000 SATsalways a great board meeting.120901:18:37,920 --> 01:18:45,180Thank you very much Chad F 3333ai death panels. That's right.121001:18:45,180 --> 01:18:50,220Yes, Canada. I'm sure Canada isalready already using him. Hey,121101:18:50,220 --> 01:18:53,070it looks like this person shouldprobably be recommended. Some121201:18:53,250 --> 01:18:54,000euthanasia?121301:18:55,470 --> 01:18:59,730Is the AI just it always justsays euthanize doesn't matter121401:18:59,730 --> 01:19:00,720what the input is skip121501:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,720logic just goes in a loop backto euthanize.121601:19:03,900 --> 01:19:08,010I think there'll be funeuthanize Chad F 25,000121701:19:08,010 --> 01:19:11,430SATs listening live with a newpod verse CarPlay app and even121801:19:11,460 --> 01:19:17,340posted a screenshot there. Andthat's right. We have brand new121901:19:17,340 --> 01:19:18,630functionality from122001:19:18,720 --> 01:19:24,270congrats to Mitch and that's todo man to get that to work. Guy122101:19:24,300 --> 01:19:30,960man, he's he's he's really Ilove how Mitch? And what's his122201:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,730partner's name? I can'tremember. Sorry, you should know122301:19:36,420 --> 01:19:42,180it. I love how they just dive inon stuff that they don't know122401:19:42,180 --> 01:19:45,900anything about and just figureit out. Yeah, they just figure122501:19:45,900 --> 01:19:48,900it out, man. They just get itdone. It's inspiring a little122601:19:48,900 --> 01:19:48,990bit.122701:19:49,019 --> 01:19:55,439My only request for pod verse isbut I still have to reconnect my122801:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,569Alby wallet. Like every day, itseems for some reason they fixed122901:20:00,569 --> 01:20:05,309a big one for me, which I reallydidn't make much of a deal of it123001:20:05,309 --> 01:20:10,229but you know, it's like oh, Iset the alarm and this this123101:20:10,229 --> 01:20:14,699would be for pivot the pivotpodcast. So when it when it123201:20:14,699 --> 01:20:19,529drops, then you tap on the onthe alert on your phone, it will123301:20:19,529 --> 01:20:21,959just go to your collection itdidn't actually go to the123401:20:21,989 --> 01:20:27,089episode at hand I am that wasfixed. Real real happy about123501:20:27,089 --> 01:20:30,629that. The next thing that ishigh priority for me because I123601:20:30,629 --> 01:20:33,989don't use pod verse For for oneof these reasons as often as I123701:20:33,989 --> 01:20:38,519could. There's no permanentstreaming that still hasn't been123801:20:38,519 --> 01:20:39,989implemented. So123901:20:40,020 --> 01:20:41,970like if I listen to he's workingon it though,124001:20:42,030 --> 01:20:47,820I'm sure if I if I'm listeningto pod news, know someone who I124101:20:47,820 --> 01:20:52,680care about then I even for theshort shows I will use I will124201:20:52,680 --> 01:20:58,080use a different app because ofthat. Then we have 10,000 SATs124301:20:58,080 --> 01:21:03,420for Mitch Diego podcasts 10101from hard hat Thank you very124401:21:03,420 --> 01:21:09,270much. 2800 from Eric from ourpodcast, our desktop here we go124501:21:09,510 --> 01:21:13,560and quite a boost to note it isusing pod verse. I'm so glad124601:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,410Adams on the mend. I know frompersonal experience dental work124701:21:16,410 --> 01:21:20,880can be painful. Thank you. Alsothank you for the mini shout out124801:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,210of my pod index our package Ireleased last week I'm eager to124901:21:24,210 --> 01:21:27,870find ways of not only Quanquantifying the most meaningful125001:21:27,870 --> 01:21:30,990stats on the index but also wayswe can surface these insights125101:21:31,020 --> 01:21:34,950effectively for podcast hostslisteners and hosting companies125201:21:35,070 --> 01:21:39,600pod index are is one small steptowards that goal go podcast125301:21:39,750 --> 01:21:44,580podcast. Yes, well, I think Idescribed exactly what I need125401:21:45,780 --> 01:21:46,590today did no125501:21:47,580 --> 01:21:49,830no yeah, you eloquently Yes,125601:21:49,860 --> 01:21:54,330yes. That's I want the shamelist. The Earth killing shaming125701:21:54,330 --> 01:21:56,070list as125801:21:56,070 --> 01:21:59,760the only stats you're interestedin or allows you to shame people125901:21:59,760 --> 01:21:59,970yes,126001:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,080no, no, just anyone who I mean Ihate them. No, I would like126101:22:04,380 --> 01:22:08,220okay, honestly, I want somestatistics I can use to shame126201:22:08,250 --> 01:22:12,000apple and if possible SpotifyI'll take a Google and Amazon.126301:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,850What I don't want to do is Idon't want to have to be shaming126401:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,750an antenna pod. If podcastaddicts you know that's like126501:22:19,020 --> 01:22:20,430they should fix that.126601:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,740You need statistics that allowyou to shame Spotify and Apple126701:22:25,740 --> 01:22:28,800if we're talking AI basedstatistics I can have those quit126801:22:28,800 --> 01:22:28,920like126901:22:31,290 --> 01:22:34,170we've already discredited themthat127001:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,380there's still there's still it'sstill the quote gold standard so127101:22:37,380 --> 01:22:41,070we're good to go we can we canwe can get those going quick.127201:22:43,380 --> 01:22:45,600When did you pull the mostrecent booster grams because I127301:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,680got something about up to threehours ago from Brees I got to do127401:22:49,680 --> 01:22:55,380you have those big numbers? Infact, I know do you have tone127501:22:55,380 --> 01:22:56,550record on your list?127601:22:56,759 --> 01:22:58,319I got I got double tone right.127701:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,220Okay, you got tone wrecker? AndI think that if you got don't127801:23:02,220 --> 01:23:05,220record we're good. We're good.Thank you all to these to these127901:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,620early boosters you can boost uslive. Please listen with curio128001:23:10,620 --> 01:23:14,850caster or with POD bursts. Bothwill drop you right into the128101:23:14,910 --> 01:23:18,330into the live area with the chatroom with the stream running the128201:23:18,330 --> 01:23:21,150exact same place where you getthe podcast. And thanks to128301:23:21,150 --> 01:23:25,080sovereign feeds for making itall possible for me to create128401:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,660all these feeds and all thesetriggers. And thank you Dave128501:23:27,660 --> 01:23:32,910again for taking hours off of myweek hours literally hours off128601:23:32,910 --> 01:23:36,000of my week. That is incrediblyvaluable. I have a nice gift128701:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,530coming for you for Christmas.Oh, well as after you shame me128801:23:40,530 --> 01:23:42,930by sending me a gift likefucking now I have to send them128901:23:42,930 --> 01:23:44,070a gift. We don't129001:23:44,070 --> 01:23:47,430exchange gifts in bag don'texchange now129101:23:47,430 --> 01:23:50,430of course I do. I feel like aheel. Like you're thinking of129201:23:50,430 --> 01:23:54,180me. A very thoughtful gift andlike, Oh man, I gotta think129301:23:54,180 --> 01:23:56,250about my friend. I think I'm no129401:23:56,250 --> 01:23:58,470way I'm such a douche. What didI do?129501:23:58,620 --> 01:24:01,230Why did you why did you send mesomething really thoughtful129601:24:01,230 --> 01:24:02,220stuff that129701:24:03,030 --> 01:24:05,670we had this discussion with.With Melissa the other day she129801:24:05,700 --> 01:24:09,180were trying to devise a way thatI could get a couple of gifts129901:24:09,570 --> 01:24:14,370for the guys that I work with.with it. But but you have to be130001:24:14,370 --> 01:24:18,090strategic in order to make itwhere they don't think they have130101:24:18,090 --> 01:24:21,360to give you one back. So it'slike the dollar amount can be130201:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,750too high can be too low. Itcan't believe she was like once130301:24:24,750 --> 01:24:27,360you just do a bottle of wine.She's like but But it can't be130401:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,790like a real it can't be like anice bottle of wine. And it's130501:24:29,790 --> 01:24:33,240got to be not a nice bottle ofwine. And it also has to be130601:24:33,300 --> 01:24:36,810obviously not a nice bottle ofwine. Like it's got to be130701:24:36,810 --> 01:24:39,900noticeably below the $15 mark,you know,130801:24:40,019 --> 01:24:46,499well. I'm very good at Christmasgratuities for people that we130901:24:46,499 --> 01:24:49,139work with and work with usaround the house and you know131001:24:49,139 --> 01:24:54,179from the garbage guy to thepostal. The postal worker we131101:24:54,179 --> 01:24:56,879don't say mailman we have a maillady we call a postal worker.131201:24:57,479 --> 01:25:03,119And it's an eye there I like thepostal people I really do. You131301:25:03,119 --> 01:25:05,909know, we have a but there's someguys like, you know, Tommy who131401:25:05,909 --> 01:25:08,189comes here and who really, youknow, when we have any131501:25:08,189 --> 01:25:11,939landscaping to do like trees orwhatever, you he makes enough131601:25:11,939 --> 01:25:14,069money off of me and I'm notgonna give him that we would131701:25:14,069 --> 01:25:17,819actually be insulting to givehim money. So buy him a bottle131801:25:17,819 --> 01:25:20,789of like $50 weeks whiskey, youknow, something that I liked,131901:25:20,789 --> 01:25:24,719that's good. And his assistantwill get 50 bucks the same132001:25:24,719 --> 01:25:27,899thing. It's not about that. It'sabout the thought. And so you132101:25:27,899 --> 01:25:30,509actually put thought into thatgift from me and I can't I can132201:25:30,509 --> 01:25:37,229never come back from that Ican't recover. flattened. I have132301:25:37,229 --> 01:25:40,169something in mind for it. It'sshe couldn't get it there on132401:25:40,169 --> 01:25:41,129time before.132501:25:41,160 --> 01:25:46,440Okay, well, we'll do we'll we'llnext day. I'm I actually dropped132601:25:46,440 --> 01:25:50,760a couple more gifts into themail for people today. It if I'm132701:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,450bad to do this, because I justwant to if anybody gets a gift132801:25:54,450 --> 01:25:57,750from me, please don't think thatyou have to give that it's not132901:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,240it's just not about that at all.You nobody has to give me133001:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,030anything back. It's not. There'snot necessary if you get133101:26:03,030 --> 01:26:06,210a gift from Dave, he's clearlyshaming you. You're much less133201:26:06,210 --> 01:26:06,810than him.133301:26:07,530 --> 01:26:13,560Yes, yeah. It's all about my ownpersonal superiority, complex,133401:26:13,560 --> 01:26:13,980dry133501:26:13,980 --> 01:26:19,200strive to be as good as DaveJones. I do. I do. Yeah, you're133601:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,580very, very, you're very nice,man. Very nice. Oh,133701:26:23,580 --> 01:26:24,840nations from PayPal.133801:26:24,870 --> 01:26:28,710There we go. This I got a coupleof this is a value for value133901:26:28,710 --> 01:26:33,840proposition. If you're wonderingif value for value works. We134001:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,280never even submitted the show toto, to Apple. You know, we're134101:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,950just working with our littlecommunity here. And all we said134201:26:40,950 --> 01:26:43,830is, hey, do you like what whatthis what this is about? Do you134301:26:43,830 --> 01:26:48,090like the value that we'reproviding? Now the mechanism is,134401:26:48,510 --> 01:26:52,110is the podcast which also takeseffort to do? And people said134501:26:52,110 --> 01:26:55,380yes, we find it valuable andthey support us. So it does work134601:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,960as long as you have a qualityproduct.134701:26:59,430 --> 01:27:02,310Jesse 100 think he thinks it's aquality product because he sent134801:27:02,310 --> 01:27:03,180us $10134901:27:03,330 --> 01:27:06,030A suggestion Thank you. This ispay pals. Right. These are we135001:27:06,060 --> 01:27:07,830haven't had any pals recently.135101:27:08,490 --> 01:27:12,270Oh, we will be we had a bunchlast week. Not one off day. We135201:27:12,270 --> 01:27:16,200had the monthly subscriptions.Right, right. The and Jesse135301:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,440didn't send a note but Michaelolinger did and he said he sent135401:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,380us $20 And he said, Thanks forthe index and the mastodon135501:27:22,410 --> 01:27:23,100instance.135601:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,810Ah, thanks, Derek. Welcome,Michael. Wish I had to upgrade135701:27:27,810 --> 01:27:29,610again. Oh,135801:27:29,610 --> 01:27:31,830no, we gotta we gotta slow thatdown.135901:27:31,890 --> 01:27:35,040Well, it's, you know, it's, Ihad to do that from my own136001:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,410instance, as well. Because youknow, the minute you start136101:27:37,410 --> 01:27:40,200following a lot more people andpeople are boosting, it's all136201:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,890assets. It's all drive space.It's all bandwidth. And so we136301:27:43,890 --> 01:27:45,900just have to go we just go up toanother level. Now that tear,136401:27:45,900 --> 01:27:46,350it's okay.136501:27:46,830 --> 01:27:50,550How hard is that guy? That mestodot host How hard is his life136601:27:50,550 --> 01:27:55,680right now. He's, he's makingmoney, but he's probably hair on136701:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,960fire, like 24 hours a day. Heseems to136801:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,960be holding it together. I'm veryproud of him. I think he's136901:28:00,960 --> 01:28:07,020German. And I set up a couple ofdifferent hosts now. He is sadly137001:28:07,020 --> 01:28:10,170you know, there's some peoplewho wanted to set up a host with137101:28:10,170 --> 01:28:14,250like, an no agenda name in theirdomain name. And he refused them137201:28:14,250 --> 01:28:17,730and cut them off and said goaway. You know, you we won't137301:28:17,730 --> 01:28:23,760have fascists and Nazis on my onmy. Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah, because137401:28:23,790 --> 01:28:28,710no agenda social.com was flaggedearly on, literally as k k k137501:28:28,710 --> 01:28:30,870Nazi Cardrooms. Literally.137601:28:31,380 --> 01:28:35,910Can we just say that? Can weplease. I've noticed a lot of137701:28:36,120 --> 01:28:41,130people on the left calling otherpeople Nazis lately. We just say137801:28:41,130 --> 01:28:45,420that that roulette lessens theimpact of actual Nazis. Yeah.137901:28:46,110 --> 01:28:49,440Can we calm that language down alittle bit? You know, it's I138001:28:49,440 --> 01:28:49,860agree.138101:28:50,040 --> 01:28:55,980I agree it it truly is callingsomeone a Nazis, National138201:28:55,980 --> 01:28:59,550Socialists, so be careful. Youknow, the true Nazis were138301:28:59,550 --> 01:29:00,240lefties.138401:29:00,929 --> 01:29:04,349Yeah, because somebody likes youknow, Trump or something like138501:29:04,349 --> 01:29:07,859that. It's a little bitdifferent than, you know, baby138601:29:07,859 --> 01:29:09,929skin lampshades. And it's just138701:29:10,620 --> 01:29:14,880as journalists is journalists.Yeah. It's who use this these138801:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,140Nazis. Oh, yeah.138901:29:16,770 --> 01:29:19,620I don't really get my hackles upabout much of that. But that139001:29:19,620 --> 01:29:21,990when it feels like it crosses aline, I think that just needs to139101:29:21,990 --> 01:29:22,680kind of stop.139201:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,190Well, once they went all Hitlerwith Trump. I mean, it was the139301:29:26,190 --> 01:29:28,830end of it. And that was sevenyears ago. It was seven years139401:29:28,830 --> 01:29:33,450ago. So it has no way over theline now. Hold on one second.139501:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,770But did you see Trump's specialannouncement yesterday?139601:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,430Somebody said, somebody sent mea thing is like it was it had to139701:29:41,430 --> 01:29:42,990do with playing cards orsomething.139801:29:43,259 --> 01:29:51,299He releases an NF T. Yeah. Whatthe? I mean, I'm like, unless139901:29:51,299 --> 01:29:55,589this is a long, long troll,which will wind up showing us140001:29:55,589 --> 01:30:00,629how FTX and Sam bank win freeyou know, corruptly sent money140101:30:00,629 --> 01:30:03,569to politicians. This is a dumbidea.140201:30:04,110 --> 01:30:08,190Half the crap he does is a dumbidea. Um, so overhead. I mean,140301:30:08,190 --> 01:30:11,310this is this. This was reallylike this was this head140401:30:11,310 --> 01:30:14,490scratcher. That made sense.140501:30:14,940 --> 01:30:17,340I don't vote and I don't. And Idon't140601:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,520know why if you don't vote, youdon't get to complain. Right? I140701:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,270know what No, no,140801:30:21,270 --> 01:30:23,970if I don't vote then then I'mnot responsible for either one140901:30:23,970 --> 01:30:24,960of them. So I get to complain.141001:30:26,100 --> 01:30:30,720Okay, George Carlin. Okay. Yeah,sure. Sure. Yeah, anyway, just141101:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,680wanted to mention I thought, anNFT from anybody for anything at141201:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,820this moment is dumb141301:30:35,850 --> 01:30:39,090is stupid. And that's just along line of stupid decisions141401:30:39,090 --> 01:30:41,880that dude is make when thereason I said don't vote because141501:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,790when, when, when he first camein, I remember having a lot at141601:30:44,790 --> 01:30:48,660least discussion when he firstcame in. I was like, Okay, I141701:30:48,660 --> 01:30:53,280mean, the guys. He's got a lotof baggage, but he might, you141801:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,460know, it's always nice to see anoutsider come in and you have141901:30:56,460 --> 01:31:00,120this, this potential for them tolike, you know, shake it all up,142001:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,840blow up the system, sort of.There's always that potential.142101:31:04,200 --> 01:31:10,050And like, that's, he's justcompletely he's blown all that142201:31:10,050 --> 01:31:14,040crap up. It's just not working.He needs to go away. That's my142301:31:14,040 --> 01:31:14,730personal opinion.142401:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,760Okay. Since you don't vote, Idon't care about your personal142501:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,760opinion. matter. Doesn't matter.142601:31:20,970 --> 01:31:23,430But I do think Christmas gifts.Oh, no.142701:31:24,030 --> 01:31:25,950Your Christmas gifts are thebest.142801:31:28,140 --> 01:31:29,010It's an NFT142901:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,810NFT. Oh, goodness. Roi.scheinfeld143001:31:34,740 --> 01:31:37,65054,321 says through breeze143101:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,600and congratulations on the newfundraise. Looks like breeze.143201:31:43,110 --> 01:31:45,300Would they post four and a halfmillion dollars. So they143301:31:45,300 --> 01:31:48,300continue and raising in thisenvironment?143401:31:51,480 --> 01:31:53,370Cache flush with cash.143501:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,500Well, I'm just sayingcongratulations. That's not an143601:31:55,500 --> 01:31:58,950easy thing to do. Yeah,especially if you're not if143701:31:58,950 --> 01:32:01,770you're more kind of the nerd.And not really the you know,143801:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,960yeah, it must hate doing that. Iget you enjoys it.143901:32:07,830 --> 01:32:12,060I get to feel any of those two.He says his notice. Adam is on144001:32:12,060 --> 01:32:14,940fire today. That was last week.144101:32:15,450 --> 01:32:18,300My mouth was probably literallyon fire last week.144201:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,870He he messaged me this morning,I gotta figure out. I've got144301:32:24,870 --> 01:32:28,800work to do. On researchingnoster lots of people are144401:32:28,800 --> 01:32:35,490mentioning noster. And I've hada few. I've had a few144501:32:35,490 --> 01:32:40,380discussions with Alex about it.But I just I've got to figure144601:32:40,380 --> 01:32:44,460out there's so many protocols.This is the problem. It's just144701:32:44,460 --> 01:32:48,900like it's just, you know, everyfive minutes there's a new open144801:32:48,900 --> 01:32:50,520source protocol. It'sexhausting.144901:32:52,320 --> 01:32:59,490I I've been hearing about nostrefor quite a while. But I've been145001:32:59,490 --> 01:33:01,230hearing about a lot of thingsfor quite a while, you know145101:33:01,230 --> 01:33:04,110matrix. Well, it was gonna bematrix matrix matrix. And then145201:33:04,110 --> 01:33:06,330it was not matrix and then itwas well it's gonna be we're145301:33:06,330 --> 01:33:10,110going back to XMPP and it wasn'tXMPP and then it's well it's not145401:33:10,110 --> 01:33:12,780for this not for that and thisis enlightening is bad and145501:33:12,780 --> 01:33:15,240lightning is good and telegram.No.145601:33:15,810 --> 01:33:18,180No hole punch hole punch. Oh,145701:33:18,180 --> 01:33:23,550yeah. Hole Punch kids. Yeah,exactly. Well, it's still145801:33:23,550 --> 01:33:24,150working.145901:33:24,750 --> 01:33:27,780It's still working out. Alison.Good thing this morning. Do you146001:33:27,780 --> 01:33:34,410know it costs $200,000 to be onthe on the like voting committee146101:33:34,410 --> 01:33:35,370for the matrix.146201:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,700Well, hold us we're supposedrunning Foundation. And how do146301:33:38,700 --> 01:33:44,160we get in on that action? Closedown that GitHub. Hey, you want146401:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,420it? You want to vote with us?146501:33:47,100 --> 01:33:51,660Namespace $200,000 We shouldcharge for the bit tube seal to146601:33:51,660 --> 01:33:57,960do a pull request. We'll charge150 Yeah, the the tone wrecker146701:33:58,050 --> 01:34:02,250row sticks 1111. Sending a newboost through while hearing you146801:34:02,250 --> 01:34:05,010guys read a past week's boost ofmine seems to be a powerfully146901:34:05,010 --> 01:34:08,520weird time warp of support. Theboosted booster gram and full147001:34:08,520 --> 01:34:09,030effect.147101:34:09,870 --> 01:34:11,370I like it. Nice.147201:34:13,440 --> 01:34:20,910S cot T Scott's in his 1800 SATsnow note. Oh, Scott again with147301:34:20,910 --> 01:34:27,2102000 SATs no note. Boriskudelski Send us 1000 SATs he147401:34:27,210 --> 01:34:31,980says thanks for Central Europeanstandard timezone on podcasts.147501:34:31,980 --> 01:34:37,560index.org. Oh, yes, this was afun. Not fun, not fun thing to147601:34:37,560 --> 01:34:41,040have to fix. His feed camethrough. And147701:34:41,070 --> 01:34:43,770I didn't know I didn't haveenclosures, right?147801:34:44,370 --> 01:34:47,340No, it had to it had everythingwas right, except that it was147901:34:47,340 --> 01:34:49,740blowing up the aggregator wasblowing up when it tried to148001:34:49,740 --> 01:34:53,880interpret the timezone in hispub date on his items, because148101:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,840he was tagging them as CentralEuropean Standard Time, but148201:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,910Central European standard timehad already ended.148301:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,700Oh yeah, it was It wasn'ttriggering because of the whole148401:35:05,700 --> 01:35:06,450man. I hate that148501:35:06,480 --> 01:35:09,330it was the day the date parserjust blew up and was setting it148601:35:09,330 --> 01:35:12,750to zero. So the the episodesactually were in the index but148701:35:12,750 --> 01:35:16,410they had a zero date stamp sothey were showing up back in148801:35:16,410 --> 01:35:18,4501970 So they just weren'tshowing148901:35:18,510 --> 01:35:21,570off. We should just go to theblocks block height so much149001:35:21,570 --> 01:35:22,860easier. Block149101:35:22,860 --> 01:35:29,850idea. Dumpster Eagle send us arow ducks 2222 through any just149201:35:29,850 --> 01:35:33,840says podcast index.org. Thankyou already sent it through149301:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,650breeze. We don't have a lot ofbooths today. So I'll just do149401:35:37,650 --> 01:35:41,400I'll read a 2222 It says I lovehow it can be completely out of149501:35:41,400 --> 01:35:45,330my depth on the subject matterand still enjoy this show. Some149601:35:45,660 --> 01:35:51,000deaths from some quack. We'rewe're completely out of our149701:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,440depth too. But we enjoy theshows.149801:35:52,860 --> 01:35:55,740We're just here to keep thescissors sharp. That's all and149901:35:55,740 --> 01:35:56,940handout bandaids.150001:35:57,540 --> 01:35:59,940Yeah, I just gave my opinionabout Trump, which is completely150101:35:59,940 --> 01:36:05,790uninformed and have no value toanybody. So that's it's open to150201:36:05,790 --> 01:36:07,590everybody. Brian,150301:36:07,620 --> 01:36:10,350we agree on the NFT part forsure.150401:36:11,370 --> 01:36:17,490Yeah. Brian at top tier audio70. No one sets at the cast150501:36:17,490 --> 01:36:19,800Matic app. And he says I thinkthere is value in having the150601:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,500streaming option. But I thinkthe ones in the industrial150701:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,990complex who are most interestedin pushing for streaming instead150801:36:24,990 --> 01:36:28,080of downloads actually want it tosave a little own downloads that150901:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,110might not be required, butmostly so that it's impossible151001:36:31,110 --> 01:36:33,390to skip ads? Ah,151101:36:33,750 --> 01:36:38,280nah, we forgot about that,didn't we? Yep. The whole the151201:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,550whole. This is one of thereasons why downloads had to go151301:36:41,550 --> 01:36:44,730away is for the dynamic adinsertion to target people with151401:36:44,730 --> 01:36:48,330new ads at the right moment. I'msure. I'm sure it had something151501:36:48,330 --> 01:36:48,990to do with it.151601:36:49,830 --> 01:36:54,540Yeah, and and because they wantmore accurate. They know151701:36:54,540 --> 01:36:58,200downloads are crap. They knowthat I be certified download151801:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,680stuff is a big complete joke.And so they want accurate stats,151901:37:01,710 --> 01:37:05,010they think they can get thatthrough streaming stats. And152001:37:05,010 --> 01:37:07,500that's also I think part of it.And it's just all it's just all152101:37:07,500 --> 01:37:07,920a big,152201:37:08,190 --> 01:37:12,000it's a quagmire that we justterrible. It's I mean, the thing152301:37:12,210 --> 01:37:16,890with television ratings is it'sprobably not much more152401:37:16,890 --> 01:37:21,900sophisticated. I mean, yeah,they have set top box data. But152501:37:21,900 --> 01:37:26,280a lot of it is still diarybased. And it doesn't matter152601:37:26,280 --> 01:37:33,540because the cartel agrees on thenumber. You know, and it152701:37:33,540 --> 01:37:33,960behooves152801:37:33,990 --> 01:37:36,390everybody doesn't have to beaccurate. It just has to be the152901:37:36,390 --> 01:37:37,620number. Yeah, as long as153001:37:37,620 --> 01:37:39,960it's the number every singletime and it correlates with153101:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,340whatever the number is.153201:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,930Being seen big huge swings, thenyou're like, Okay, whoa, you153301:37:45,930 --> 01:37:46,140know,153401:37:46,260 --> 01:37:49,260and then they added the, youknow, plus one, or the I think153501:37:49,260 --> 01:37:52,560plus 24. You know, they had plusnumber of days for people153601:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,270watching it after the fact onDVRs. But in case you hadn't153701:37:57,270 --> 01:38:00,600noticed people that that modelis not not working very well153801:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,510either. And people are nowstarting to regret they're, you153901:38:03,510 --> 01:38:08,940know, taking the $4 cheaperoption of Disney plus or Disney154001:38:08,940 --> 01:38:12,300probably I think Disney plus andgetting the ads that people are154101:38:12,300 --> 01:38:15,570regretting this now. Netflix,it's a lot of ads.154201:38:17,430 --> 01:38:20,550We cancelled our Netflix, whichdon't even have it anymore.154301:38:20,580 --> 01:38:22,770We never watched it and I willtell you Yeah, then you154401:38:22,770 --> 01:38:23,790shouldn't use it at all.154501:38:24,390 --> 01:38:28,290Yeah, I'm not definitely notgoing back to ads. Ahlborn154601:38:28,290 --> 01:38:32,610Citadel, no 1998 throughfountain no note and another154701:38:32,610 --> 01:38:36,2101998 from otters over Citadel nonote thank you all for citadel.154801:38:37,980 --> 01:38:42,540The obrah Brian at top tieraudio he sent he sent a couple154901:38:42,540 --> 01:38:49,470more 1701 boosts Thank you Brianvery much. It's the 2222 row155001:38:49,470 --> 01:38:56,280ducks from Mike Dale. The VP ofpodcasting 2.0 Blueberry guy yes155101:39:01,290 --> 01:39:03,300he says welcome back AC soundinggood.155201:39:03,390 --> 01:39:04,950Thank you very much. I try155301:39:06,090 --> 01:39:13,0806969 from Hey citizen throughpod verse no note vache V A155401:39:13,080 --> 01:39:18,510KE 2500 SATs through fountain nonote. A lot of no notes today.155501:39:18,690 --> 01:39:23,100People just busy just they're sofast and it's time to write a155601:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,320note just loose. Loose justboost them already.155701:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,490Don't forget move on.155801:39:27,179 --> 01:39:33,089Boost boost boost boost powerboost boost. Nomad Joe 5000 SATs155901:39:33,179 --> 01:39:41,549and he just says boost yo orchidhippo interesting name 5000 SATs156001:39:41,549 --> 01:39:43,799through breeze oh that must beone of those autogenerated156101:39:43,799 --> 01:39:46,949names. This is testing frombreeze fountain just doesn't156201:39:46,949 --> 01:39:51,929work for me. It's really bad.Oh, that's comic strip blogger.156301:39:53,939 --> 01:39:56,549And we bought your busted comicstrip bargain through your156401:39:56,549 --> 01:40:05,969orchid hippo. Oh yeah, we Su Supipe pipe CD sent us he's trying156501:40:05,969 --> 01:40:10,109to he's trying to like a remotecode execution Amir so as you're156601:40:10,110 --> 01:40:13,620trying to change changedirectory on my drive, he's just156701:40:15,120 --> 01:40:19,140trying to drop the episodestable from the database he sent156801:40:19,140 --> 01:40:24,450through the boost CLI app hesays Z 13 337 Omega leet boost156901:40:24,450 --> 01:40:27,660he says the hottest OSI talkalways happens at layer one157001:40:27,690 --> 01:40:30,540yeah you know it does you knowit does157101:40:31,020 --> 01:40:35,010can always add BGP see I letthat go. Because you said we157201:40:35,010 --> 01:40:38,640were talking CSMA CD, and youbrought him BGP, which is157301:40:38,640 --> 01:40:48,480actually layer two, so Oh,please. Sorry. He says Archie157401:40:48,510 --> 01:40:50,490pod verse operations. Okay,157501:40:50,519 --> 01:40:51,599thank you. Thank you.157601:40:52,470 --> 01:40:57,450Let's see we had 25,000 SATsfrom WDS at RSS blue.com. Oh,157701:40:57,450 --> 01:41:00,270thanks. Nice through breeze andhe says greetings from157801:41:00,270 --> 01:41:03,300Lithuania. I'm bringing newinternational lifestyle of visa157901:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,820vie to Eastern Europe. Well, atleast for a few weeks.158001:41:07,440 --> 01:41:11,640Tina has half Lithuanian. Oh, Ididn't know that half Mexican158101:41:11,640 --> 01:41:15,930half Lithuanian well there's acombo yeah so she she can be a158201:41:15,930 --> 01:41:17,970victim and an oppressor at thesame time because you know,158301:41:17,970 --> 01:41:20,730Lithuanian has kind of backupRussians you know, so she can be158401:41:20,730 --> 01:41:24,390a Putin Putin lover and a victimof all things. Black and brown158501:41:24,390 --> 01:41:25,380people she loves it.158601:41:25,830 --> 01:41:27,870Whatever the situation. WheneverWhenever158701:41:27,870 --> 01:41:28,830you need it, just switch158801:41:28,830 --> 01:41:33,660it on. Yeah. Yeah. Rosie getover 100 sets. Yeah, he says158901:41:33,660 --> 01:41:35,490Hey, guys, keep up the greatwork.159001:41:35,610 --> 01:41:36,360Thank you.159101:41:38,010 --> 01:41:44,400Love from the cast Coverageteam. 17 776 Mega, super Giga159201:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,480Liberty boost. Nice blueberry.He's the boost CLI. And he says159301:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,180I would like to share one of myfavorite Bill Hicks quotes.159401:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,740Quote, do a commercial. You'reoff the artistic Roll Call.159501:41:55,890 --> 01:41:59,370Every word you say a suspectyou're a corporate whore and159601:41:59,700 --> 01:42:01,170into the story. Unquote.159701:42:01,950 --> 01:42:06,150Gah Yeah, that guy was prettygood.159801:42:07,980 --> 01:42:12,000The tone wrecker sent us 100,000sets the breeze and he says159901:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,330haven't figured out any way tochange music tag from rss.com160001:42:15,330 --> 01:42:18,690hosting side yet for all thetone record tracks episodes160101:42:18,810 --> 01:42:19,470boost.160201:42:19,530 --> 01:42:21,150Oh man, can we set that for160301:42:21,330 --> 01:42:27,270boost? I thought I thought thatwas possible. I thought he did160401:42:27,270 --> 01:42:30,390into dashboard. He said hehadn't figured it out. So Dobby160501:42:30,390 --> 01:42:32,790das you need to tell tonewrecker how to do that in the160601:42:32,790 --> 01:42:33,330UI.160701:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,430Yeah. Can you do that as anrss.com?160801:42:35,550 --> 01:42:38,880Is that is that an RSS blue Ithought is what he said we're160901:42:38,880 --> 01:42:39,240just saying161001:42:39,750 --> 01:42:49,290RSS rss.com hosting side see youlooking at the rss.com161101:42:49,410 --> 01:42:58,800RSS ping. Let's see tone recurping Alberto on the podcast161201:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,550index dot social and ask him youmay be able to do if it's not a161301:43:02,550 --> 01:43:05,130supported tag that they have.They may be able to add it for161401:43:05,130 --> 01:43:05,370you.161501:43:05,429 --> 01:43:10,079Oh here he has his next boost.Which is also a booster gram161601:43:10,079 --> 01:43:12,329which is also 100,000 SATs youget that one?161701:43:12,780 --> 01:43:16,500Oh yes. This found sovereignfeeds to explore how my releases161801:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,620appeared when exported uppingboost as Dave had mentioned161901:43:19,620 --> 01:43:20,520altering the medium.162001:43:20,640 --> 01:43:25,590There you go. Alright. Can youset that in sovereign feeds?162101:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,240The medium tag? Oh, that's mostcertain. I don't know. But I162201:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,470would have to think though. I'mgonna be right now. Yes, seems162301:43:34,470 --> 01:43:34,830like162401:43:35,400 --> 01:43:40,530seems like stables legs isn'tthere but I don't know. No, I162501:43:40,530 --> 01:43:50,640don't actually see it yet. See?I know I know. Stephen bees are162601:43:50,640 --> 01:43:51,690working on something.162701:43:53,340 --> 01:43:58,080Steve visa chat he's got I'msure can you tell me where man162801:43:58,110 --> 01:44:01,230just tell me where it's in theit's in there. No, but162901:44:01,260 --> 01:44:04,410I want Steven B to say here'sthe page because I'm looking at163001:44:04,410 --> 01:44:09,030it. And I've got the under shownunder Show.163101:44:10,950 --> 01:44:15,210Comic Strip blogger 33,015 setsthrough fountain and he says163201:44:15,210 --> 01:44:18,060Dave and Adam, You are cordiallyrequested to invite your163301:44:18,060 --> 01:44:21,180listenership to put a duckcooking into any web browser or163401:44:21,180 --> 01:44:25,080podcast app of choice. There inyou will find a podcast about163501:44:25,080 --> 01:44:29,610artificial intelligence narratedby IMDb credited thespian163601:44:29,730 --> 01:44:32,550Gregory Forman keep it 100 Yo163701:44:32,580 --> 01:44:39,000are 100 Yeah, it's on the showinfo actually. Okay, show info.163801:44:39,930 --> 01:44:43,410He also says everybody send anasty note to your app163901:44:43,410 --> 01:44:44,940developer. No, he164001:44:44,940 --> 01:44:48,360does not say that. No, he justdid. He just posted in public164101:44:50,250 --> 01:44:53,790that we didn't even use my eyesmy other ISO Damn it got a big164201:44:53,790 --> 01:44:54,390boost.164301:44:56,160 --> 01:44:57,180Where'd that come from?164401:44:58,500 --> 01:45:01,830It came from Windows week. I gota big boost.164501:45:03,600 --> 01:45:09,690If only they knew what it meant.They know. I'm very, I'm very164601:45:09,690 --> 01:45:12,810proud of what we've all done.I'm very proud of yet another164701:45:12,810 --> 01:45:16,590fantastic year of developmentand excitement. We have164801:45:16,620 --> 01:45:19,860invigorated the entirepodcasting industry, we have put164901:45:19,860 --> 01:45:23,400the podcast industrial complexon notice, we're coming for165001:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,670them. We're going to overtaketheir awards with our shaming165101:45:26,670 --> 01:45:29,520lists, our value for value, it'sgoing to trump anything they165201:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,210could ever make withadvertising, we will crush you.165301:45:36,930 --> 01:45:40,590That was, yeah, that was thatwas like a Mel Gibson,165401:45:40,680 --> 01:45:48,960and also and also, I will notconform to saying follow. I will165501:45:48,960 --> 01:45:53,580not conform just because twothirds of the apps say it will165601:45:53,580 --> 01:45:56,220not conform. We were here beforethey were165701:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,810this. I somehow knew that youwere not going to go along with165801:46:00,810 --> 01:46:01,440this program.165901:46:01,650 --> 01:46:04,830Well, you know, I was I andactually, this brings me to166001:46:04,830 --> 01:46:10,380another thought. Would it makesense? So Apple has they they166101:46:10,380 --> 01:46:14,430say follow this podcast, whichin our world is subscribed, so166201:46:14,430 --> 01:46:18,240you get episodes, and I thinksubscribe is an appropriate term166301:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,080for what is actually happening.Even under the hood, it's called166401:46:22,080 --> 01:46:31,620subscribe, but okay, whatever.It's a subscription on. Web sub,166501:46:31,650 --> 01:46:34,680I mean, all this stuff. It's allsubscribed. But so they actually166601:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,550have subscriptions, which is whythey need to change it. Is that166701:46:38,550 --> 01:46:45,540would it make sense for us toprovide apple with a spot or166801:46:45,540 --> 01:46:52,260Apple podcasters? who producefeeds that go into Apple? Do you166901:46:52,260 --> 01:46:55,620have to do you have to also haveyour feed go be hosted with167001:46:55,620 --> 01:46:58,080Apple when you use theirsubscriptions? Or can you167101:46:58,230 --> 01:47:01,770surface those separately?Because I would say why don't we167201:47:01,860 --> 01:47:06,360have a spot where if if you'reable to subscribe to a premium167301:47:06,360 --> 01:47:10,980show that you pay for throughsubscription on Apple? Why don't167401:47:10,980 --> 01:47:16,740we have that something that wecan surface on other apps? Does167501:47:16,740 --> 01:47:17,550that make sense?167601:47:17,880 --> 01:47:23,070Are you talking about us? Likethe namespace? Yeah. Yeah. Open167701:47:23,100 --> 01:47:25,590Yeah, open subscription issomething that we've been sort167801:47:25,590 --> 01:47:26,730of trying to work out.167901:47:28,380 --> 01:47:30,390I just want to involve thembecause you know, they're not168001:47:30,390 --> 01:47:35,430really participating. But if howcan we help them and show them168101:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,500the way I know that they'resecretly using the TX T tag?168201:47:41,220 --> 01:47:44,400Now? don't announce it. Pleasedon't tell anybody you're doing168301:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,720that big secrets. I want to givethem more to us because they168401:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,510clearly don't seem to likechapters or transcripts or168501:47:51,510 --> 01:47:54,690anything you know, they theyhate they really hate people who168601:47:54,690 --> 01:47:55,710have hearing problems168701:47:56,100 --> 01:47:59,760with it. They just hate or biasI mean, they like168801:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,840despise the earth by not usingpod ping the despise deaf168901:48:03,840 --> 01:48:04,440people.169001:48:07,650 --> 01:48:09,240I mean, I guess I guess we169101:48:09,599 --> 01:48:12,689I don't know. Is it just toomuch pandering? Even for me?169201:48:13,619 --> 01:48:17,159Probably Okay, then. Nevermind.Let's Yeah, yeah, screw those169301:48:17,159 --> 01:48:19,349guys. In our relationship169401:48:19,350 --> 01:48:22,710with them is better when when wewhen we treat when we treat them169501:48:22,710 --> 01:48:29,490like douche. Douche it's thebest way. It's the love. It's169601:48:29,490 --> 01:48:32,550this adversarial relationshipthat somehow produces beautiful169701:48:32,550 --> 01:48:32,880things.169801:48:32,910 --> 01:48:36,240It does actually. Yeah. And Iliked the individual people169901:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,050we've interacted with from AppleOf course. Of course. It's just170001:48:40,050 --> 01:48:42,840you know, how does how do theydo things over there? Not Look,170101:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,270I don't mind. Yeah, I don't meanthat. But they could be so170201:48:45,270 --> 01:48:46,950legendary once again.170301:48:47,790 --> 01:48:51,120Decker. I love how you're sayingthe the literally the largest170401:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,930company in the world. They couldbe legendary. If they only did170501:48:54,930 --> 01:48:59,010the things we wanted. Yes,exactly. In the funny, but I'm170601:48:59,010 --> 01:49:02,040laughing because I did I don'tdisagree. Exactly. Hey,170701:49:02,160 --> 01:49:06,270I'm no longer an Apple user ofstuff. You know, I walked away170801:49:06,270 --> 01:49:07,680for a whole bunch of reasons.170901:49:07,890 --> 01:49:10,530If they embrace both podcastsand 2.0. Man, Apple could really171001:49:10,530 --> 01:49:11,610put their name on the map.171101:49:12,300 --> 01:49:15,600Yeah, right. You guys could besomething someday, or yeah,171201:49:15,630 --> 01:49:19,860maybe even released your applepodcast app on Android. So you171301:49:19,860 --> 01:49:22,500know, so James Cridland willhave nothing to talk about at171401:49:22,500 --> 01:49:23,700the end of next year.171501:49:25,290 --> 01:49:28,080Well, I mean, I just know thatwe have another 100,000 SATs171601:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,450coming which is a good thing.Yeah, I haven't seen it. But171701:49:30,480 --> 01:49:35,160that was in the bag. Well, it'sin the bag. We forgot monthlies.171801:49:35,850 --> 01:49:39,930Yes, Sir Alex gates the officialpodcast intrapreneur consultant171901:49:39,930 --> 01:49:44,640$25 David Norman of hypercatcher. $25 powers the powers172001:49:44,640 --> 01:49:50,520the back end of the show? Suredoes. Tim Hutchins, my buddy $25172101:49:51,690 --> 01:49:56,640I'll see Oh, Paul Saltzman$22.22 Derek J. Vickery. Great172201:49:56,640 --> 01:50:01,920name $21. Terry Keller. $5.Soren Miller $5, Jeffery172301:50:01,920 --> 01:50:07,140Rutherford, $5, Jeremy Kevin all$10 Chris cow and $5 Daymond,172401:50:07,140 --> 01:50:11,370Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremygerdts $5. That's it.172501:50:11,790 --> 01:50:14,610Thank you all very much for yourvalue for value contributions,172601:50:14,610 --> 01:50:18,150you're helping the entirepodcast and 2.0 ecosystem,172701:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,390keeping it running, keeping italive in the most honest way we172801:50:21,390 --> 01:50:24,930know, which is without anyventure capital, money, any type172901:50:24,930 --> 01:50:29,820of advertising or sponsors orcorporate money, and a complete173001:50:29,820 --> 01:50:33,630vow of poverty from Adam andDave, so we're happy to do that.173101:50:33,630 --> 01:50:37,950And thank you very much forsupporting everything. Something173201:50:37,980 --> 01:50:40,830I had a fleeting thoughts, whichI can't quite recall,173301:50:41,370 --> 01:50:45,930should have anything to do withtranscripts, addition,173401:50:45,960 --> 01:50:50,940additional properties on thetranscript tag for auto tagging,173501:50:50,940 --> 01:50:52,350when something is autogenerated.173601:50:52,380 --> 01:50:56,550That's exactly what it was done.You heard a new voice. I kind of173701:50:56,550 --> 01:51:01,500liked I liked this idea that itwas interesting. Whenever173801:51:01,500 --> 01:51:04,980Whenever I see James post, whileI was talking to a company, I'm173901:51:04,980 --> 01:51:08,610like, Okay, what does thecompany want? And so what the174001:51:08,610 --> 01:51:15,540company wanted was some taggingof whether, I guess the accuracy174101:51:16,020 --> 01:51:20,760is mainly about the accuracy andabout the not stealing and what174201:51:20,760 --> 01:51:21,210else?174301:51:23,100 --> 01:51:26,940That's, that's that seemed likeit to me, because it all174401:51:26,940 --> 01:51:30,750revolved around the accuracy tokeep people off your back in174501:51:30,750 --> 01:51:35,880case it misses a word. And didthe licensing deal understand174601:51:35,880 --> 01:51:36,840the license part?174701:51:36,870 --> 01:51:41,850Well, the point is, I do becausesee, when you live fully value174801:51:41,850 --> 01:51:47,610for value, you don't care. Letme explain. We have always said174901:51:47,610 --> 01:51:51,480on no agenda, go ahead copyanything you want copy the show175001:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,620distributed it put it on CDs,cassettes, this USB sticks, you175101:51:55,620 --> 01:51:57,840know, we had people may rememberthose little you could do a175201:51:57,840 --> 01:52:02,940little drop a drop box that wereyou know, you you could plug it175301:52:02,940 --> 01:52:06,120into a wall somewhere in a in acoffee shop and provide a175401:52:06,120 --> 01:52:09,210hotspot that would only havelike a file available for175501:52:09,210 --> 01:52:09,930download.175601:52:11,610 --> 01:52:14,250And what was this little thenyou have the little175701:52:14,549 --> 01:52:20,489note said drops? Yeah, well, noagenda CDs, we had 10s of 1000s175801:52:20,489 --> 01:52:23,999of those. But also like to knowagenda shop. It's like, hey,175901:52:24,029 --> 01:52:27,959just don't put our faces on it.Now, no agenda and any logos.176001:52:27,959 --> 01:52:30,869That's all fine. If you want toput curry DeVore I can No,176101:52:30,869 --> 01:52:35,129that's just us. But anythingelse? Go for it. We know have no176201:52:35,129 --> 01:52:39,239contract. They worked out stuffwhere the artists, they donate176301:52:39,239 --> 01:52:43,289from time to time, please takeall of what we have derivative176401:52:43,289 --> 01:52:47,729works. Anything's okay. That'sthe full on. And that's, you176501:52:47,729 --> 01:52:52,499know, that is in the vein ofRSS. It's all open. Here it is.176601:52:52,499 --> 01:52:54,569I'm putting it out there for youto render it.176701:52:55,650 --> 01:52:59,070Yes. Well, we do. Yes, what wedo on the show, but when you176801:53:00,240 --> 01:53:06,630are suspicious of peoplebenefiting? So I think what I176901:53:06,630 --> 01:53:10,830read into it was hey, if peopleshow up and use our service, and177001:53:10,830 --> 01:53:13,740they get really good transcript,we don't want Google taking177101:53:13,740 --> 01:53:15,600those and using those forthemselves.177201:53:15,839 --> 01:53:18,119That's, that's what I read.Yeah, that's177301:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,560what I read. That's what I read.Yeah. Now it's almost like, the177401:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,340next thing I expected was, wewant to flag for DRM for177501:53:26,340 --> 01:53:28,110transcripts. I was kind177601:53:28,110 --> 01:53:32,550of kind of expecting that. brandsafety. We want a brand safe.177701:53:32,580 --> 01:53:35,190Oh, yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah,brand safety tag would not be177801:53:35,190 --> 01:53:35,700great. But177901:53:35,700 --> 01:53:38,460a Garm would put a Garm code init or whatever. They178001:53:40,050 --> 01:53:43,860got the I think we should havean ESG tag. Let's just put it in178101:53:43,860 --> 01:53:47,430there. So we can just throw anESG rating for this podcast. It178201:53:47,430 --> 01:53:52,860what's the scale? zero to five,five stars. zero to five is178301:53:53,730 --> 01:53:58,440completely arbitrary. Just likeUber you know. So everyone will178401:53:58,440 --> 01:54:00,750basically have three and a halfstars. That's That's how it178501:54:00,750 --> 01:54:01,530always winds up.178601:54:02,550 --> 01:54:05,160You went up to four, five stars.178701:54:06,330 --> 01:54:09,090If you're listening to thispodcast, please subscribe178801:54:09,090 --> 01:54:11,850wherever you get your podcastsand rate us five stars.178901:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,450Now this is a great Oh, this isactually a great idea. This is a179001:54:15,450 --> 01:54:19,590really good idea because you youcan rate it based on if you're179101:54:19,590 --> 01:54:20,910fake. This.179201:54:21,630 --> 01:54:24,450Got it. Oh, here we go. Here wego. Genius is coming.179301:54:26,280 --> 01:54:31,530So this guy is not Lex Friedman.Who's Tim Ferriss. Do you know179401:54:31,530 --> 01:54:36,090who? Tim Ferriss? Yes, ofcourse. Okay. So his feed. I've179501:54:36,090 --> 01:54:38,340never listened to the show. Ididn't realize that he had been179601:54:38,340 --> 01:54:42,810around long enough to have thismuch content. No. Yeah. But I've179701:54:42,810 --> 01:54:47,490just heard his name. This guy'sgot his his feed is 22179801:54:47,490 --> 01:54:53,850megabytes. Try. It's gigantic.Yeah. It bit like broke that179901:54:53,850 --> 01:54:58,560aggregated. We have a 24 bit ofa 24 megabyte limit on what we180001:54:58,560 --> 01:55:03,030parse it And so it's like youknow decompressed and all that180101:55:03,030 --> 01:55:05,790stuff after you've after it'sall said and done it was like180201:55:05,790 --> 01:55:10,980tuned a little over 24megabytes. And so I had to go180301:55:10,980 --> 01:55:15,570fix it, you know, because thisis stupid. And then so like,180401:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,570there you go, there's your issuehere. ESG is like if you're Oh,180501:55:18,570 --> 01:55:23,610there he is. If it's more thanfive megabytes demerit, you get180601:55:23,610 --> 01:55:27,090a demerit is that if you if youdon't use pod thing another180701:55:27,090 --> 01:55:29,250demerit yeah free Yes180801:55:29,250 --> 01:55:35,760yes. Now if you have no no waita minute where are we surfacing180901:55:35,760 --> 01:55:36,180this181001:55:36,900 --> 01:55:39,660in the feed yesterday just rightjust right in the feed it's got181101:55:39,660 --> 01:55:43,080to be labeled clearly in podcastas right there over on top of181201:55:43,080 --> 01:55:49,200the show or nothing but a bunchof white guys on the on the on181301:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,850the art you know, anotherdemerit?181401:55:51,510 --> 01:55:54,990Oh man, massive demerit. That'sright. Yeah. Now you're into181501:55:56,430 --> 01:56:00,150your to star show at this point.So bye. Bye, Felicia, you're181601:56:00,150 --> 01:56:00,480out.181701:56:02,550 --> 01:56:03,660I love this idea.181801:56:03,720 --> 01:56:07,800Oh, okay. Well, what a positiveway to end our board meeting. We181901:56:07,800 --> 01:56:12,450are just, we're going to slampeople for the ESG scores. And182001:56:13,260 --> 01:56:17,670both in your feed and in public.I'm so proud of us, Dave?182101:56:18,270 --> 01:56:20,010Is the TSG. The PSGs.182201:56:21,390 --> 01:56:27,120But seriously, great work on podpink 2.0. I'm very excited about182301:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,630this. How can I promote this?And how can we roll this out a182401:56:30,630 --> 01:56:32,280little further? And who are wetargeting?182501:56:32,970 --> 01:56:37,260I wrote a blog post this week wecan about the live the LIVE TAG182601:56:37,260 --> 01:56:41,160how to how to be live, how to belive. Yeah. And I, I mean,182701:56:41,670 --> 01:56:45,270that's the thing is we got tohave more, we've got to have182801:56:45,270 --> 01:56:50,310more adoption on the hostingside to make this easier. Right,182901:56:50,370 --> 01:56:53,970that ace is hard to promote. Ifyou can't, if the pieces aren't183001:56:53,970 --> 01:56:58,350there. I'm waiting for thatfirst host to jump in and give183101:56:58,350 --> 01:56:59,580the soup to nuts.183201:57:00,930 --> 01:57:04,050Have the whole so what isneeded? Is the live streaming183301:57:04,050 --> 01:57:06,930endpoint and chat room.183401:57:08,130 --> 01:57:11,130Do you mean you could don'treally even have to have the183501:57:11,130 --> 01:57:16,140chat room you could do? Youcould go live just with the just183601:57:16,140 --> 01:57:17,700with the tag and a pod pain?183701:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,710Yeah. Kind of cool. Yeah, sure.But we have the chat capability183801:57:22,710 --> 01:57:23,670in there, just183901:57:23,760 --> 01:57:28,290for sure. For sure is like Ithink we have to so this is this184001:57:28,290 --> 01:57:33,810is why I sort of stoppedanything else for the moment and184101:57:33,810 --> 01:57:39,150started working on the 100%Retro feed. Because if if we can184201:57:39,150 --> 01:57:42,780get that thing working that'salive, beautiful demo of what's184301:57:42,780 --> 01:57:43,320possible.184401:57:43,349 --> 01:57:47,459Oh, and being able to Oh, yes.And they're ready. They're184501:57:47,459 --> 01:57:50,849ready. Like we can have Kim wildpromoting our stuff.184601:57:51,420 --> 01:57:55,680Oh, nice. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes.Yes. So it's a great demo. And184701:57:55,680 --> 01:57:59,280we can have the end. It's likeit's a demo of the full184801:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,640complexity. Like it's not likethis cheesy, simple sandbox demo184901:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,750like that has the whole shebangin it. You know, it's got you185001:58:06,750 --> 01:58:10,230know, how you value boost yougot, you know, the live thing we185101:58:10,230 --> 01:58:12,390could throw it you know, it'sgot the chat room. It's got185201:58:12,390 --> 01:58:15,570everything in it. For the fullmonty.185301:58:15,780 --> 01:58:18,960Yeah. And so and we'll have allall these different pieces185401:58:18,960 --> 01:58:22,950firing off in automaticallybased upon the like, when Kim185501:58:22,950 --> 01:58:27,480Wilde comes on. It'll be Kimwild Yeah, alive. 100%. Retro,185601:58:27,480 --> 01:58:36,120but yeah, but what I want is Iwant her reading booster grams.185701:58:37,620 --> 01:58:40,950For sure, but we'll make thathappen. It's really an185801:58:40,950 --> 01:58:43,500interesting project. And I haveto say for a couple of dudes185901:58:43,500 --> 01:58:45,900like us we do sing along with alot of those songs when we're186001:58:45,900 --> 01:58:46,680listening to it.186101:58:47,220 --> 01:58:50,430It's the curse I have all mythere's no more room in my head.186201:58:50,430 --> 01:58:52,740It's all song lyrics from 80sand 70s.186301:58:53,400 --> 01:59:00,180All that it is. Alright,brother. So we have now next is186401:59:00,240 --> 01:59:03,450let me see what is next week onejust Christmas. Is it? Are we186501:59:03,450 --> 01:59:06,870doing a show on next Friday? Imean, a board meeting. Sorry.186601:59:07,470 --> 01:59:08,370I'll be here. Yeah.186701:59:09,120 --> 01:59:13,770I mean, I'll be here. I justwant to see what is. Oh, it's186801:59:14,670 --> 01:59:18,5702030 Okay, perfect. No, perfect,perfect. And then after that.186901:59:19,380 --> 01:59:21,810It's a 30. So that's perfectthat we get to skip anything.187001:59:21,810 --> 01:59:22,590Yeah, good. We187101:59:22,590 --> 01:59:25,620got Cridland on the 30th we'regoing to do we're going to do a187201:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,770bash cred lunch. I mean, I meanan end of year show.187301:59:30,390 --> 01:59:33,960will be prepared. James. We'reexcited to have you on187401:59:34,680 --> 01:59:39,780none and now it'll be fun. Oh,we did I mean, we had to have a187501:59:39,780 --> 01:59:44,010mon just so we have like a youknow some pretense in order to187601:59:44,010 --> 01:59:44,970collect your money?187701:59:45,510 --> 01:59:49,440Yes, exactly. Although I think Iboosted five times that amount187801:59:49,440 --> 01:59:54,390just in the past month to theirshow. No easily. Become I'm187901:59:54,390 --> 01:59:57,210boosting last but I'm boostingbig I'm going big. I'm boosting188001:59:57,210 --> 02:00:01,950big these days. I'm boosting bigmakes me feel Good. Yeah. I want188102:00:01,950 --> 02:00:03,420to hear my name on the podcast.188202:00:04,560 --> 02:00:07,500We don't have a guest for nextweek. I guess it's just the two188302:00:07,500 --> 02:00:10,740of us. We should have somebodyon though. No, like it's it's188402:00:10,740 --> 02:00:13,740too close to Christmas. We getit as they share the love. Well,188502:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,290let me let a little Christmasparty.188602:00:16,409 --> 02:00:18,869Okay, let me think about let methink about who we can invite188702:00:18,869 --> 02:00:23,999for for Christmas. Just just ourpre Christmas eggnog188802:00:26,520 --> 02:00:29,010that day I might have eggnog.Well, well, Russia.188902:00:29,040 --> 02:00:36,750Hey, how about a beef eggnogbetter. Alright, brother, have a189002:00:36,750 --> 02:00:40,410great weekend. Take careeverybody. Thank you very much189102:00:40,410 --> 02:00:43,230for being here at the boardmeeting for podcasting 2.0.189202:00:58,290 --> 02:01:02,850You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 to visit podcast189302:01:02,850 --> 02:01:05,400index.org For more information