Episode 109: 4 Gigs of Knitting

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,630Oh, podcasting 2.0 for November4 2022, episode 109 for geeks of200:00:06,630 --> 00:00:11,670knitting Hello everybody brandnew moms. Welcome to the300:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,900official board meeting ofpodcasting. 2.0 It's completely400:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,530backwards compatible with your1.0 thinking in apps don't worry500:00:19,530 --> 00:00:22,380about it. We're dragging alonginto the future. Everything600:00:22,380 --> 00:00:26,940happening in podcasts index.orgThe namespace for the podcast700:00:26,940 --> 00:00:30,120things and of course all that'shappening at podcast index dot800:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,430social. I'm Adam curry here inthe heart of the Texas Hill900:00:32,430 --> 00:00:36,450Country and in Alabama, Mr.Captain Frodo himself say hello1000:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,270to my friend on the other endladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave1100:00:39,270 --> 00:00:40,320Jones.1200:00:41,670 --> 00:00:45,420I feel like Lieutenant protolike what is his lieutenant1300:00:45,570 --> 00:00:48,210bigger? Like is that higher thana captain or less than a1400:00:48,210 --> 00:00:48,570captain?1500:00:50,730 --> 00:00:52,770I think you can private1600:00:52,770 --> 00:00:53,970I feel like private Brodo1700:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,690Yeah, like radar. Basically hewas approached1800:00:59,010 --> 00:01:01,800whoever that guy is on the StarTrek awaiting that you know is1900:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,340gonna die.2000:01:04,530 --> 00:01:08,700So you explain Captain proto tous and I it's i i have a feeling2100:01:08,700 --> 00:01:12,120you were kind of kind of diggingthis. This thing this Captain2200:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,930proto deal.2300:01:14,220 --> 00:01:18,360That was diggin until I actuallyhad to start coding and pulling2400:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,350my hair out. It's hard to suck.It's not that it's not so much2500:01:22,350 --> 00:01:28,080that is this the I've beenfighting my environment all2600:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,430week. It's this is hard. Youmeet your your2700:01:32,430 --> 00:01:36,030work environment, yourdevelopment environment or your2800:01:36,060 --> 00:01:36,660wife.2900:01:37,169 --> 00:01:42,809Now number two, number two, yes.Oh, no, the wife environment is3000:01:42,809 --> 00:01:48,659always fantastic. Number two,hello. We all know this. Divide3100:01:48,659 --> 00:01:53,999the development environment isis wonky. And I just it's just3200:01:53,999 --> 00:01:59,909driving me a little bit a littlebonkers because I'm windows with3300:02:01,979 --> 00:02:10,529WsL Windows subsystem for Linuxrunning Ubuntu. and a bit WsL is3400:02:10,529 --> 00:02:15,509really flaky when it comes tonetworking, especially with a3500:02:15,509 --> 00:02:16,919local host. It just,3600:02:17,460 --> 00:02:20,520there's no there's some stuffthat just does not work, right.3700:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,650No matter what you do. I've runinto this myself.3800:02:23,070 --> 00:02:26,400It doesn't it doesn't I mean,it's like one to 7.0 dot 0.13900:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,840should always just be one to oneto 700 to one, but somehow in4000:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,530Windows, it just magicallydoesn't behave like localhost4100:02:34,530 --> 00:02:38,580sometimes and you draw the Ineed this Docker container4200:02:38,580 --> 00:02:42,960running. That's got the newsocket, no technology in the new4300:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,340soccer socket code in it. Andit's running and is listening on4400:02:47,340 --> 00:02:54,210localhost port 9999. And thenI'm connecting to it from the4500:02:54,210 --> 00:02:57,660pod pain web front end, and itjust will not work and it's4600:02:57,660 --> 00:03:01,620driving me bonkers. Yeah, but Ican't switch over to the only4700:03:01,620 --> 00:03:06,720other machine dev machine Ihave. Well, I've got the4800:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,660podcasting rig, which is a boonto and then I've got an but I4900:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,150don't like working on it.Because it's not in a good5000:03:12,150 --> 00:03:12,780place.5100:03:12,990 --> 00:03:16,470We know. We know all about your5200:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,410Yes. Three boots into the show.You realize this is not rocking5300:03:22,410 --> 00:03:25,380now. Yeah, yeah. The only othermachine I've got that I can5400:03:25,380 --> 00:03:28,110really develop on pretty well isthat we need5500:03:28,110 --> 00:03:31,650to get you to does this podcastindex need to get you a better5600:03:31,650 --> 00:03:33,570machine? I mean, what do we needto do here?5700:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,530Now I've got great machines theyjust happen to be not neither5800:03:37,530 --> 00:03:42,120one is. What I need is a Linuxmachine. I'm about to honest.5900:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,160Okay, I'm about to ditch theMac.6000:03:44,790 --> 00:03:48,180Oh, there he is. Come back tothe dark side. Dave, you can do6100:03:48,180 --> 00:03:49,560it. We can have you6200:03:49,590 --> 00:03:56,850here. If you're writingwebsites, on the Mac, you're6300:03:56,850 --> 00:03:59,130good to go. Right? Like ifyou're writing like a you know,6400:03:59,130 --> 00:04:03,780Ruby, or you know, whatever, youprobably fine. If you're doing6500:04:03,780 --> 00:04:07,800anything that is at all withcompiled code, or anything a6600:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,160little bit lower level. You justYou just bang your head against6700:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,920the wall with all the in onearchitecture problems. Oh,6800:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,280David podcasts index.org For allyour complaints about how he's6900:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,060wrong.7000:04:18,750 --> 00:04:20,040I've got a folder for that.7100:04:23,040 --> 00:04:23,760Exactly.7200:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,910Is it true? Is it true? Is therumor true that we we didn't7300:04:29,910 --> 00:04:35,940even get a chapter on the latestpod land? I mean, a 45 minute7400:04:35,940 --> 00:04:38,160interview we didn't get wedidn't earn a chapter7500:04:38,250 --> 00:04:42,270and we just take a look. So wegot a note from from Sam Sethi,7600:04:42,270 --> 00:04:45,510and he's like, Hey, we're doingthe 100th and last episode of7700:04:45,510 --> 00:04:48,720pod land. Now of course, we knewthis was a pathetic marketing7800:04:48,720 --> 00:04:55,140ploy, but All right, we will goalong with it. And so we had a7900:04:55,140 --> 00:04:57,390really nice interview, but Ithought it was gonna be a part8000:04:57,390 --> 00:05:01,650of the show. And basically, theydid The show and then by the8100:05:01,650 --> 00:05:05,520way, we chatted with Adam andDave. All right, then8200:05:05,580 --> 00:05:09,540the last the last chapter is 48minutes long and it says Sam and8300:05:09,540 --> 00:05:10,440James's weak8400:05:15,450 --> 00:05:19,200pod lead here. Let me check itout for a second. I like it8500:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,220chapters. Here we go look at thechapter. Oh, man. Yes, four8600:05:23,220 --> 00:05:27,210chapters. Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah.40 minutes and 11 seconds.8700:05:29,070 --> 00:05:31,47048 minutes of salmon. James'sweek8800:05:31,620 --> 00:05:35,550was hilarious. Anyway, I thoughtwe were dynamite on that, to be8900:05:35,550 --> 00:05:40,200honest about it. Yeah, we'realways done. Now. I mean, yeah,9000:05:40,230 --> 00:05:43,200it was nice. Because, you know,we switch roles a little bit.9100:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,620There was I don't know, it wasjust it was good. It felt you9200:05:46,620 --> 00:05:49,680gave the the Genesis story. Ilove hearing your version.9300:05:50,460 --> 00:05:54,300Yeah, it's yeah, you've got astanding rule that we don't ever9400:05:54,300 --> 00:05:55,980appear on shows together.9500:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,230Anyone do it? Well, those guysare a little different. Yeah.9600:06:01,230 --> 00:06:03,570Oh, did you hear what James did?He's smart, though. I'll give9700:06:03,570 --> 00:06:10,320him that. So on pod news thismorning. He promotes the last9800:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,690pod land episode, which ofcourse is what you want to do.9900:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,960Obviously, the TC picks is megoing you know voices like10000:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,190yours. And, and and JamesKirkland. These are important in10100:06:23,190 --> 00:06:29,760our industry. He's such as sucha war. I was laughing my ass10200:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,480off. Like I have all the thingswe said in there of all the10300:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,310things in that 40 minutes.10400:06:35,670 --> 00:06:44,910That was the most important tohim. I enjoyed it. Like, can I10500:06:44,910 --> 00:06:51,660just just briefly divert intotopic du jour of Twitter?10600:06:52,620 --> 00:06:57,000Well, under one under onecondition if we one time for the10700:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,600one time.10800:07:00,360 --> 00:07:07,020100 fire. Okay. Can I just justI just want to make as just a10900:07:07,740 --> 00:07:12,120general comment about the entirething is I think it goes I think11000:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,860this all goes back. This isElon. This is not even really11100:07:16,860 --> 00:07:25,920about about the specifics. ButElon is the new version of what11200:07:26,610 --> 00:07:31,230you called it. II called this along time ago with Trump. Oh, he11300:07:31,230 --> 00:07:34,860lied. It would the Trumpderangement syndrome sort of11400:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,580sort of thing. One thing that nobut that people fail, always11500:07:38,580 --> 00:07:45,090kept, kept failing to understandabout Trump is that when you11600:07:45,390 --> 00:07:49,230interact with him, you areunwittingly becoming a character11700:07:49,230 --> 00:07:53,520in his television show. Andthat's that feels like exactly11800:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,430the same thing that's happeningnow. People that are interacting11900:07:56,430 --> 00:08:01,200with Elon do not realize thatthey are feeding the troll they12000:08:01,290 --> 00:08:06,060they are becoming a character inhis TV show. They are they12100:08:06,060 --> 00:08:11,610become the cast of a vast showthat he is creating. Like, if12200:08:11,610 --> 00:08:14,130you don't like it, just stop itjust12300:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,460wow, that's very interesting.It's a very interesting12400:08:17,460 --> 00:08:20,880analysis. Yeah, that's true.That's true. And12500:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,760it's what trolls do expert ones.Yes. Yeah.12600:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,570Well, I, all I'm gonna say is Ibelieve that so far, my12700:08:27,570 --> 00:08:31,890predictions have come true.Forced authentication is on its12800:08:31,890 --> 00:08:36,840way. And not that you probablycan't just be an unverified12900:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,870user, I'm sure there'll be fine,you'll just be equal to a bot.13000:08:40,470 --> 00:08:44,010So when you when a bot will Isaw a panel of a ver, the13100:08:44,010 --> 00:08:46,620verified user, I don't have oneof the verified user panel13200:08:46,620 --> 00:08:51,960changed. And so you can selectby all tweets do you want all13300:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,950that mention you so that's thesame. And the third one, which13400:08:55,950 --> 00:08:59,700is verified only. So you canjust live in the verified world13500:08:59,730 --> 00:09:02,850you don't see any of the otherstuff. So it's an auto feature.13600:09:03,060 --> 00:09:05,370And that makes a lot of sense.And so you have the elitist13700:09:05,370 --> 00:09:08,940there and you have differenttiers and classes system. And13800:09:08,940 --> 00:09:11,490now we can sit at the bottomwith the bots which I think is13900:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,430where I want to be plebs botsall the same thing.14000:09:15,060 --> 00:09:17,130Except live in the in thedumpster and the Twitter14100:09:17,130 --> 00:09:17,790dumpster.14200:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,190Except he took it one stepfurther. And I didn't expect14300:09:20,190 --> 00:09:23,940that as he wants to KYCeverybody. Oh, shoot, I know14400:09:23,940 --> 00:09:26,940where the payment like all thecrap. He's she's moving along at14500:09:26,940 --> 00:09:27,810a clip there.14600:09:29,790 --> 00:09:33,480The Yeah. The other thing aboutdid you see the thing about14700:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,370infrastructure? So he said he'sdirected, Elon Musk has directed14800:09:38,370 --> 00:09:42,180Twitter's Twitter links teams tofind up to 1 billion in annual14900:09:42,180 --> 00:09:45,420infrastructure cost savings.According to two sources15000:09:45,420 --> 00:09:49,680familiar with the matter and aninternal slack OC, the company15100:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,350is aiming to find between oneand a half million and 3 million15200:09:52,350 --> 00:09:55,320a day and savings from serversand cloud services. So the15300:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,430slight message this this articlefrom Reuters is, is critical it15400:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,720takes the Roche that that bycutting infrastructure costs to15500:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,900that degree that they're goingto is going to become crashy.15600:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,510And that they're not going to beable to work with to handle the15700:10:09,570 --> 00:10:16,050traffic. I disagree with this. Idon't think obviously this, you15800:10:16,050 --> 00:10:19,620know, I know nothing about theirinfrastructure. But the reason I15900:10:19,620 --> 00:10:21,450can just I'm just notdisagreeing with this at have16000:10:21,450 --> 00:10:23,910extensive knowledge ofinfrastructure. I'm disagreeing16100:10:23,910 --> 00:10:28,860with this out of knowledge ofthe way that spending gets16200:10:28,860 --> 00:10:36,660corrupted in a environment likeVC funded stuff, or, you know,16300:10:36,660 --> 00:10:39,570which they come from thatlineage, because it's just like16400:10:39,570 --> 00:10:43,110the military, militaryindustrial complex, the military16500:10:43,110 --> 00:10:45,780industrial complex cannot, ithas ceased to be able to16600:10:45,780 --> 00:10:49,800function in a market where theprices are true or real and16700:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,760true. They only know how tofunction. Now, within a16800:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,240government world where theprices are inflated beyond16900:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,180belief with government spending.The same thing happens in17000:11:00,180 --> 00:11:05,640Silicon Valley, like they youover time, you forget that you17100:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,450don't have to have, you know,billions of dollars of17200:11:09,450 --> 00:11:13,140infrastructure, you couldprobably get by with a lot less17300:11:13,140 --> 00:11:17,520if you did it smartly. And Ithink that's probably what he's17400:11:17,730 --> 00:11:20,580looking at. He's probablylooking around and saying, Oh,17500:11:20,580 --> 00:11:24,270my God, we've got so muchinfrastructure that we probably17600:11:24,270 --> 00:11:27,030don't need, we could probablycut a you know, that and17700:11:27,030 --> 00:11:29,310typically you say, Oh, we knewwe need to cut a million and a17800:11:29,310 --> 00:11:32,340half a day. You cut me say weneed to get three meals a day.17900:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,760And then they are balls, we canonly find a million. Okay,18000:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,010that's fine. You shoot high,18100:11:38,430 --> 00:11:43,080you can get maybe I mean, I'mI'm personally I'm more18200:11:43,080 --> 00:11:49,500interested in the meta of itall. And you know, I people talk18300:11:49,500 --> 00:11:54,960about staying or leaving Twitteras if it's like, some place. And18400:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,310also just the way they view thatin their mind's eye. And the18500:11:59,310 --> 00:12:04,830total lack of unders I mean, theway the if you hear mainstream,18600:12:04,950 --> 00:12:08,340ie Kara Swisher, if you hearmainstream people talking about18700:12:08,340 --> 00:12:15,300it, it's as if they believe thatall of the only existence for18800:12:15,630 --> 00:12:21,060human interaction and, andentertainment and information18900:12:21,060 --> 00:12:24,540should be in this regulatedworld with regulated companies19000:12:24,540 --> 00:12:27,990who are, quote, playing by therules, who understand how it's19100:12:27,990 --> 00:12:30,420supposed to work. These are thetype of cut type of things she19200:12:30,420 --> 00:12:35,460says, and I'm still just kind ofbaffled, half percentage wise,19300:12:35,460 --> 00:12:39,810how few people know that, youknow, when you're using your web19400:12:39,810 --> 00:12:44,250browser, you're you're not inChrome. You're not inside19500:12:44,250 --> 00:12:47,400Google. I mean, these aremetaphors that we understand.19600:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,080And we, we know, the freedom ofthe web and the network itself.19700:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,450But it's been so not maybe noteven on purpose, but it just19800:12:57,450 --> 00:12:59,940kind of well, yeah, the apps, Ithink apps have made it into19900:12:59,940 --> 00:13:03,360this place where by this thisweb thing was, you know, you do20000:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,190that for certain things porn andand the rest is all apps. And I20100:13:08,190 --> 00:13:12,300think that that mentality,that's what would also with the,20200:13:13,230 --> 00:13:16,470with podcasting, and Apple, youknow, as they had to get on that20300:13:16,470 --> 00:13:20,400app, you had to go through thisprocess, which of course, is20400:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,430kind of bull crap. It's theantithesis of podcasting.20500:13:24,660 --> 00:13:29,340Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.That's, well, you know, the one20600:13:29,340 --> 00:13:32,040good thing that's happened overthe last week is just lots of20700:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,400people getting getting over toMastodon, I don't know how many20800:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,100will stay, but a lot of peopleentering the Fed averse and20900:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,830getting getting out of thealgorithms altogether, going21000:13:40,830 --> 00:13:43,770back to just chronologicaltimelines. That's been good to21100:13:43,770 --> 00:13:44,130see.21200:13:44,190 --> 00:13:46,320I don't know how many people Idon't know how many people21300:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,980actually move. It's only thesurvivors. You know, at the end21400:13:49,980 --> 00:13:52,620of the day, when the rapturecomes, a lot of you will not be21500:13:52,620 --> 00:13:57,030voted to stay on the island.Trust me on this one.21600:13:58,410 --> 00:14:01,110I deleted my Twitter account acouple of years ago and my21700:14:01,170 --> 00:14:06,390personal one, and I'll neverI'll never go back to that. I'll21800:14:06,390 --> 00:14:07,830never get back to that bonanza.21900:14:07,949 --> 00:14:11,549Yeah, I deleted my Facebookaccount years and years ago22000:14:11,549 --> 00:14:16,529along with Reddit kind of in thesame in the same week. And I22100:14:16,529 --> 00:14:20,819don't miss any of that. No atall my life is probably I mean22200:14:20,819 --> 00:14:23,339maybe not a direct causation butit has improved.22300:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,540Yeah, and then I turned offnotifications recently on tons22400:14:30,540 --> 00:14:36,090of answers Yeah, you got to dothat. Oh, I got the Met Macedon.22500:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,600Even even onMessage like textmessage I've turned off like22600:14:39,930 --> 00:14:44,220everything and only only have togo to it to check it. Yeah,22700:14:44,310 --> 00:14:47,700that's been a nice, you know,mental freedom there.22800:14:47,820 --> 00:14:51,030It won't be long you'll be ongraphing OS soon enough for you.22900:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,110The walls are closing in on oniOS. It's very obvious what23000:14:55,110 --> 00:15:01,140they're doing. I love installingfor the suit. As sandboxed App23100:15:01,140 --> 00:15:05,790Store on graphene OS, you canreally set granular level23200:15:05,820 --> 00:15:07,980permissions and all kinds ofstuff.23300:15:09,929 --> 00:15:13,049It's been so I've not been inthe Android world for so long, I23400:15:13,049 --> 00:15:16,829had no idea what's going on overthere. The only thing I know23500:15:16,829 --> 00:15:20,519about is from you didn't have torely on you to tell me what's23600:15:20,519 --> 00:15:23,129going on, because nobody I know,is on Android anymore.23700:15:25,230 --> 00:15:27,900Well, at least you have a realfriend in the real world, Dave,23800:15:27,900 --> 00:15:28,200John.23900:15:30,810 --> 00:15:33,030What do you got? It's not evenreally Android. I mean, you've24000:15:33,060 --> 00:15:36,270you've got to know I mean, like,once you get to graphene, you've24100:15:36,300 --> 00:15:37,890you've really left the Android24200:15:38,430 --> 00:15:42,300universe. You go to no agendaphone.com The instructions are24300:15:42,300 --> 00:15:46,380there. But and even the link tothe official way to do it was on24400:15:46,380 --> 00:15:52,470graphene OS or whatever theirwebsite is GitHub, and you buy a24500:15:52,470 --> 00:15:55,740new Android blight and onlything it only works on pixels.24600:15:55,740 --> 00:16:03,510So you buy the pixel 43456 Orseven is all supported. And then24700:16:04,110 --> 00:16:08,010you do a couple of loops, youplug it in and go to their24800:16:08,010 --> 00:16:11,580website, and the website startsto log in and manage your phone24900:16:11,580 --> 00:16:14,460and it does all the all thechangeovers you kind of sit25000:16:14,460 --> 00:16:17,730there watch and it comes up andit's alive. You got graphy know25100:16:17,730 --> 00:16:20,730us and there's even a way to goback and restore to Android if25200:16:20,730 --> 00:16:21,420you want it to.25300:16:23,550 --> 00:16:27,420Nice and I am going to try itout. I'm gonna give it a shot.25400:16:28,260 --> 00:16:32,010And we pixel what pixel sixpixel? Which, which Why25500:16:33,210 --> 00:16:38,850is the pixel six smaller thanthe pixel six? A? I think so25600:16:38,850 --> 00:16:41,460because I just got the six A's.I just got the six, eight. And25700:16:41,460 --> 00:16:44,310then I'm like, this thing is alittle too big.25800:16:45,270 --> 00:16:49,140I don't like a big like I'vegone to the iPhone mini now I'm25900:16:49,140 --> 00:16:52,230really done with big phones,that I need the smallest one26000:16:52,230 --> 00:16:57,240that got that wonder if that'sthe pixel, which whichever small26100:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,000like if it's bigger than theMini, I want to start with that26200:17:00,000 --> 00:17:00,690to begin with.26300:17:02,100 --> 00:17:07,110Well, welcome to Tech, everybodywhere we talk about phones, what26400:17:07,110 --> 00:17:09,510the heck are we doing, I wantedto mention one of the things26500:17:09,510 --> 00:17:11,370before we bring our guests inbecause we got a lot of26600:17:11,760 --> 00:17:19,020namespace tags to discuss. Andas a friend of the show, I've26700:17:19,020 --> 00:17:23,100been working with ibex, Ibex payfor a back end,26800:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,660do you have an update?26900:17:24,839 --> 00:17:26,609I do have an update? Well, firstof all, I learned a little bit27000:17:26,609 --> 00:17:33,479more about the company, I thinkit's a I don't know if it's El27100:17:33,479 --> 00:17:39,869Salvadorian slash Mexicans slashus Miami Corporation, I believe,27200:17:40,499 --> 00:17:44,909and the family that owns thecompany, they are one of the27300:17:44,909 --> 00:17:50,369largest Western Union franchisebanks, I guess, in all in27400:17:50,369 --> 00:17:54,209Central and South America with8000. Western Union. So I didn't27500:17:54,209 --> 00:17:56,399know it, but I guess it's afranchise, you know, it's like,27600:17:56,579 --> 00:18:00,239you set up shop, you're you Iguess you have some kind of sort27700:18:00,239 --> 00:18:04,079of exchange license or whateverthat is, thank you know, you27800:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,009couldn't find Thank youexchange, you know, banking27900:18:08,009 --> 00:18:11,189license, and then you pay afranchise fee. And then you're28000:18:11,189 --> 00:18:16,559on the Western Union network.And so the one of the one of the28100:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,619newer people in the family wentinto the family. So look, we got28200:18:19,619 --> 00:18:22,709to set this up. But we got to dothat we got to get lightning28300:18:22,709 --> 00:18:26,039going. As you know, we reallyhave to move on this because we28400:18:26,039 --> 00:18:31,259could be left behind. And sotheir entire specialty is using28500:18:31,259 --> 00:18:35,189Lightning and Bitcoin. And weare both on chain and Lightning28600:18:35,189 --> 00:18:39,809Network as the transport layer,but you know, so you can put in28700:18:39,809 --> 00:18:44,909euros on one side and get pesosout the other side? Oh, okay. So28800:18:44,909 --> 00:18:47,399for them, and this is somethingthey want it to do integrate28900:18:47,399 --> 00:18:52,889with, with what we're doing. Soin essence, we're building and I29000:18:52,889 --> 00:18:55,379say we because they're doing itall. And I'm just saying, Hey,29100:18:55,379 --> 00:18:57,719here's what we need for noagenda. And here's how I would29200:18:57,719 --> 00:19:02,309have to work which includes, youknow, HTTP URLs that you can29300:19:02,309 --> 00:19:05,519encode with a preset amount thatyou can just put it throw into a29400:19:05,519 --> 00:19:11,879newsletter, of course, QR codegenerator, you know, we have to29500:19:11,879 --> 00:19:15,119capture certain data for forvalue for value, which will be a29600:19:15,119 --> 00:19:20,129name can be whatever, are theyan alias, and an A donation29700:19:20,129 --> 00:19:25,649note. But then also, they'regoing to work on timed29800:19:25,649 --> 00:19:30,599subscriptions. So you can say xamount per episode or per week29900:19:30,599 --> 00:19:36,569or whatever. And and then, Imean, basically everything that30000:19:36,569 --> 00:19:41,549PayPal and Patreon do they'll bedoing that and and I don't think30100:19:41,549 --> 00:19:46,199they'll want to be doingstatistics or anything. I don't30200:19:46,199 --> 00:19:50,219think you know, that seems likeI only got one to talk about30300:19:50,219 --> 00:19:52,469today. You know, there's there'senough companies who have kind30400:19:52,469 --> 00:19:54,929of figured that out. And as Iwas thinking about it, it's so30500:19:54,929 --> 00:19:59,189cool how you can easily switchit to a provider of a different30600:19:59,189 --> 00:20:05,579service. specifically forstatistics, by just adding a 1%30700:20:05,579 --> 00:20:09,449split to your to your valueblock. It's, it's like, Hey, let30800:20:09,449 --> 00:20:12,089me test out this service boom,oh, let me test out the boost30900:20:12,089 --> 00:20:14,879bot. Oh, I can test that here. Idon't like it, I just take out31000:20:14,879 --> 00:20:18,839the split. I mean, this is mindblowing crap. This is this is31100:20:18,839 --> 00:20:25,169this isn't a non developers APIdream, like I can connect to an31200:20:25,169 --> 00:20:28,319API just by putting a split intomy value block.31300:20:29,430 --> 00:20:32,310That makes me think aboutwhether or not there should be a31400:20:32,310 --> 00:20:35,040specific split type.31500:20:36,540 --> 00:20:37,350Where31600:20:37,710 --> 00:20:41,460the, you know, you have aspecific value recipient type.31700:20:42,090 --> 00:20:46,740That's sort of like sort of likefee, but, but something that31800:20:46,740 --> 00:20:51,240signifies this is just for statsor linkage or something like31900:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,560that. And the idea there was itwas just add on that on that.32000:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,440I don't know if there's, I mean,the whole idea is just, you32100:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,190know, just add one 1%. Themoney's going and of course, it32200:21:02,190 --> 00:21:05,850may be going towards a servicethat that gives you statistics,32300:21:05,850 --> 00:21:12,030but keeps the Satoshi why not.Yeah. Yeah. If I if I, sorry, I32400:21:12,030 --> 00:21:15,030just came up with a businessmodel. If I were the32500:21:16,500 --> 00:21:17,700ps3 before breakfast,32600:21:17,730 --> 00:21:24,960I know Hey, more cowbell, baby.So here's an idea. You want to32700:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,410take advantage of this service?So you put us in the split for32800:21:28,410 --> 00:21:32,880X, whatever it is. And that'show you get the service.32900:21:33,570 --> 00:21:35,880And the SATs just disappear.They get consumed? Yeah, but33000:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,120yeah,33100:21:37,290 --> 00:21:40,830I just had on no agenda for thefirst time I just, I just33200:21:40,830 --> 00:21:44,340completed it now. The firsttime. You know, we have a33300:21:44,340 --> 00:21:48,270different piece of album artevery single time on the show,33400:21:48,270 --> 00:21:51,480which and we just had no agendaArt Generator, there's now 30,33500:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,530almost 30,000 individual piecesof art. We've only done 150033600:21:55,530 --> 00:22:01,050episodes. So you can imagine howmuch we have to choose from each33700:22:01,050 --> 00:22:06,240time and finally and Nico Simekey, and I'd asked artists to do33800:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,550that he put his get lb detailsin his profile. And I put him in33900:22:11,550 --> 00:22:15,120the split for that episode for10 points. Oh.34000:22:16,710 --> 00:22:17,880So how did that go over?34100:22:17,910 --> 00:22:21,060Well, so unfortunately, I didn'thave the details until this34200:22:21,060 --> 00:22:24,090morning. So he should bereceiving stuff as of now34300:22:24,090 --> 00:22:29,250because as we were just going,going lit here I got the details34400:22:29,250 --> 00:22:33,510and I figured I'm gonna put itin right away. So I'm not and34500:22:33,540 --> 00:22:36,450this is a comic strip bloggerhas been driving this, although34600:22:36,450 --> 00:22:40,680he's always many, many artistsare very skeptical about34700:22:40,710 --> 00:22:47,160Bitcoin. Alright? Don't Don'tDon't take any whatever it34800:22:49,230 --> 00:22:51,120is zero is also an option. Yeah,34900:22:51,150 --> 00:23:01,980so speaking of such contracts,co n s hax popped up on nogen35000:23:01,980 --> 00:23:04,710agenda, podcasts index dotsocial.35100:23:05,430 --> 00:23:08,760This seems to be an evolution ofthe Saturn dashboard.35200:23:09,060 --> 00:23:13,950I believe so I believe so. I'mnot I'm not sure exactly who's35300:23:13,950 --> 00:23:17,040driving it. But there is deepintegration and discussion35400:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,380between the people behind thecontracts against EO n sh, a x35500:23:22,380 --> 00:23:34,200dot app, and N lb. So this is avery expanded statistics package35600:23:34,230 --> 00:23:40,020really, for anything happeningin your Albea wallet for35700:23:40,020 --> 00:23:43,890podcasts? I mean, I'm justlooking at the dashboard it has35800:23:44,370 --> 00:23:47,610how many number of donations andyou can do it by so if I do for35900:23:47,610 --> 00:23:53,940seven day overview here givesyou all time donations in this36000:23:53,970 --> 00:24:02,280in this particular time period.You go to burnings it has you36100:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,020know, total donated amountnumber of supporters sat stream36200:24:07,050 --> 00:24:12,360minutes, so 9901 minutes, and itdoes the only thing is the36300:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,270problem is that you know, ofcourse, Adam shows up hey, let36400:24:15,270 --> 00:24:19,110me try your shit. And then oh,great. Well, we Yes, exactly. We36500:24:19,110 --> 00:24:22,590never, we never expected to havemore than 100,000 transactions.36600:24:22,590 --> 00:24:26,700I'm like, Yeah, hold my beer andconnect here. Like watch this.36700:24:28,050 --> 00:24:32,790But it's really it's reallyreally pretty. I'm gonna get mo36800:24:34,050 --> 00:24:37,020get him set up because this issomething you can actually look36900:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,100at this and say Holy crap, thisis useful. And there's a lot of37000:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,570useful information in here a lotof easy ways to see the booster37100:24:45,570 --> 00:24:52,260grams to really slice and diceof ano in. They've got analytics37200:24:52,260 --> 00:24:55,950we can look at total number ofsupporters in the timeline so37300:24:55,950 --> 00:24:59,970people actually listening thatgoes up or down and then you can37400:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,620See the donation amounts in aseparate I mean, per episode for37500:25:04,620 --> 00:25:08,640the whole, you know, for a wholeseries. It's just really really37600:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,680cool. And I would say, you know,take my Satoshi or whatever I37700:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,460have to send37800:25:15,300 --> 00:25:18,900Yeah, so keep that luggage so Ihaven't looked at this and then37900:25:18,900 --> 00:25:23,820looked at the dashboard so isthis something how do you do the38000:25:23,820 --> 00:25:25,890connection? Is it oh auth or doyou just say38100:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,010it does you do Oh hold on I'mgonna log out this is the new38200:25:32,010 --> 00:25:36,480thing that that I'll be a smartabout. So you hit contracts dot38300:25:36,480 --> 00:25:43,620app. And it says contracts. Ohman, look at this. Contracts38400:25:43,860 --> 00:25:49,140value for value dashboard.Stripes wrote your SAS Yeah,38500:25:49,140 --> 00:25:55,800login without me here. So loginwith Alby pops up the Alvie38600:25:55,800 --> 00:26:03,360authorization pane authorize andboom you're in and that's it.38700:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,930And it right away you can seethe purple dots as it's loading38800:26:06,930 --> 00:26:08,040your transactions.38900:26:09,540 --> 00:26:11,790It's doing that with me too. AndI'm wonder if39000:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,370maybe we just broke it becauseoh, there it is. Now mine's39100:26:14,370 --> 00:26:15,780loading now monopole? Yeah, Monk39200:26:15,780 --> 00:26:22,110pulled up, missy. Yemen's pulledup. So what? Okay, so this, I39300:26:22,110 --> 00:26:27,930would challenge here, I wouldchallenge people. Somebody out39400:26:27,930 --> 00:26:34,350there developers out there, too.Do something like because this39500:26:34,350 --> 00:26:37,530is all this is Oh, auth, whichis great. I mean, this is nice39600:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,800if you're in the ABI ecosystem.But if you're not in the ABI39700:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,500ecosystem, you can't use this.39800:26:43,710 --> 00:26:46,350Now, what does they have anotheroption? What is it? Oh, I guess39900:26:46,350 --> 00:26:49,410they don't know, this is onlywithin the lbu ecosystem. You40000:26:49,410 --> 00:26:51,540should be able to connect it toyour own node though.40100:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,160Yes, I mean, I guess you youhave a you have hella pad and40200:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,920things like that. So this is nota criticism of Albie. I mean, if40300:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,320you're in the fountainecosystem, you're, you're gonna40400:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,710live you're gonna see fountainsstats, if you're in the abbey40500:27:04,710 --> 00:27:07,110ecosystem, you're gonna seeAbbey stack, you know, if40600:27:07,110 --> 00:27:11,460you're, if you're, you know,cowboy and you run Iran, you're40700:27:11,460 --> 00:27:14,010on horse, you're gonna do,you're gonna have hella pat or40800:27:14,010 --> 00:27:17,520whatever. But I would, it wouldbe nice if there was a thing40900:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,150that worked the way that we,that you just described earlier,41000:27:21,150 --> 00:27:26,460where you just simply give it asplit of some amount, 1%,41100:27:26,460 --> 00:27:31,350whatever. In those set, thosesets get consumed by the by the41200:27:31,350 --> 00:27:34,860dashboard service or the statsservice, and you just get the41300:27:34,860 --> 00:27:38,820stats. That would be cool. Andwhere you don't have to even do41400:27:39,149 --> 00:27:42,629a run or anything, run it by meagain, I just want to make sure41500:27:42,629 --> 00:27:43,319I understand it.41600:27:43,860 --> 00:27:48,570Yeah. So like it would be astats dashboard service, where41700:27:48,570 --> 00:27:53,010you just throw the split in. Andyou're not, you're not you're41800:27:53,010 --> 00:27:57,300not sending to your to a walletyou own. Right, usually you're41900:27:57,300 --> 00:27:58,620just for the service. Yeah, youjust42000:27:58,620 --> 00:28:04,200pay. Now, the only problem isyou're sending percentages, not42100:28:04,230 --> 00:28:10,620not individual SATs. So it couldbe modeled on the one in my mind42200:28:10,620 --> 00:28:13,380is yeah, it's value for value.So people have to understand42300:28:13,380 --> 00:28:16,080you're going to be sending morejust just like any other split.42400:28:16,290 --> 00:28:19,320But I think that's the way togo. That's like immediate,42500:28:19,470 --> 00:28:23,430immediate makes sense. When hewas really, podcasts index gets42600:28:24,540 --> 00:28:29,280one 1%. Now, of course, whenyou're under 100 SATs, we're42700:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,050still getting one Satoshi. Soit's not it's much more than 1%42800:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,420under the under the 100 satlevel.42900:28:36,810 --> 00:28:41,010And that's dipping in that isall depending on the way the app43000:28:41,010 --> 00:28:43,110wants to handle that like theyneed. Yeah, there's a43100:28:43,110 --> 00:28:46,500lot of different ways but sojust from the traffic itself,43200:28:46,770 --> 00:28:50,160you know, we're able to providenice liquidity you know, we've43300:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,420never added any Fiat or anyother external Bitcoin to the43400:28:54,420 --> 00:28:56,940wallets and then the initialamounts we put in.43500:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,950Yeah, the only thing I think theonly I think the only the only43600:29:01,950 --> 00:29:05,850money we put into the node iswhen we first built it. And we43700:29:05,850 --> 00:29:06,510put what,43800:29:06,780 --> 00:29:09,570like 100 bucks for 1500 bucks,but I don't know, I don't43900:29:09,570 --> 00:29:13,410remember what the what theexchange was at the time.44000:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,950Yeah, yeah. So that and wehaven't had to add anything44100:29:16,950 --> 00:29:19,860else. No, from Fiat since soeverything has been self44200:29:19,860 --> 00:29:23,760sustaining. Yeah, I mean, that'sa real it's a real service. I44300:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,630mean, it could make it reallywork. Yeah, just like to see44400:29:27,630 --> 00:29:30,240that because he because thatgets you that it provides you44500:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,510have seen this outside of it'slike you don't have to be within44600:29:33,510 --> 00:29:37,710fountain or Alby or or is not awallet provider. Do zoom in44700:29:37,710 --> 00:29:44,310Yeah, no, I it's exactly this.In fact, contracts dues I'll be44800:29:44,310 --> 00:29:47,640your crazy if you don't do this,turn it around right away. Right44900:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,440away. Allow that, you know, soperfect. Such a perfect idea.45000:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,830It's the it's like having Hilahpad but you don't have to run45100:29:55,830 --> 00:29:56,460your own node.45200:29:56,490 --> 00:30:01,080Right. Exactly. Exactly. Andthat And that's worth a split.45300:30:01,860 --> 00:30:04,740No, yeah. It's really, reallyworth a split. And it's45400:30:04,740 --> 00:30:07,680completely controllable. Nosignup required. You know, it's45500:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,620like, Hey, you sent us that yousend us the money. We know where45600:30:10,620 --> 00:30:11,850you're coming from your end.45700:30:12,420 --> 00:30:15,510And since you get the originalSATs thing in there since since45800:30:15,510 --> 00:30:18,780that property is within eachpayment, yeah, you can, you45900:30:18,780 --> 00:30:21,630could do things like calculatetaxes. At the end of the year,46000:30:21,630 --> 00:30:25,230you can generate a sheet thatshows your income and all that46100:30:25,230 --> 00:30:28,950stuff. When you fall in the holeessentially gives you like a46200:30:28,950 --> 00:30:30,900little 1099 type deal.46300:30:30,930 --> 00:30:33,270Yeah, that's the only thingcurrent contracts hasn't done46400:30:33,270 --> 00:30:36,630right. Yet. They don't I don'tthink they understood. They46500:30:36,630 --> 00:30:37,170haven't figured46600:30:37,470 --> 00:30:39,150it comes down statement. That'swhat should give you like little46700:30:39,150 --> 00:30:40,560income state a whole p&l46800:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,120baby. The p&l46900:30:44,550 --> 00:30:46,770should give you a p&l yourbusiness off, actually,47000:30:46,770 --> 00:30:49,680they know they do do that.Right. Let me see. So Oh, cool.47100:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,800It says Your biggest supporter.Okay, it's podcasting to I think47200:30:56,370 --> 00:30:59,370you can now set it to load amillion transactions. But what47300:30:59,370 --> 00:31:02,430is that for me? Like, a week? Idon't know. What about how many47400:31:02,430 --> 00:31:03,870transactions come in?47500:31:04,260 --> 00:31:08,070It's more than that. is morethan a week? It's? Yeah, I don't47600:31:08,070 --> 00:31:09,660remember. I mean, I think Ithink,47700:31:10,169 --> 00:31:13,469because to look at it, it hasthe biggest supporter, March47800:31:13,469 --> 00:31:20,849elevens. 100. Now 100,000, we'vehad much bigger than that. So47900:31:20,849 --> 00:31:22,799I'm not quite sure why that'sshowing that way.48000:31:23,790 --> 00:31:27,990It's probably struggling to pullthat in. And we're just, we're,48100:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,420we're not the ideal use case forthis.48200:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,620No, yes or no, yes or no. Butregardless, it's fantastic. I48300:31:34,620 --> 00:31:37,890want to go back to Ibex PE for asecond because then, so this,48400:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080you know, I think there's 40people in the company. So we'll48500:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,740company, there's a nice littleteam who I have the pleasure of,48600:31:43,770 --> 00:31:47,130of basically telling them what Ireally want, and they're going48700:31:47,130 --> 00:31:49,620to build it and they're going tooffer it and the way they work48800:31:49,620 --> 00:31:55,320is 1% 1% of the transaction,that's their fee, and they can48900:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,000send it straight into adifferent currency. So you can49000:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,520end and you couldn't there's aslider, you can say, well, I49100:32:02,520 --> 00:32:09,150want like 80% in dollars andkeep 20% in Bitcoin Satoshis.49200:32:09,570 --> 00:32:12,480You can you can slide thatdynamically wherever you want it49300:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,460to be anything. Once it's over$50 they flush it right out to49400:32:17,460 --> 00:32:22,980your to your bank through ACH.So it's cool service now says49500:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,700they're doing something veryinteresting. Something I said,49600:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,130Hey, you know, I'm not going tobe arrogant to say that. You49700:32:29,130 --> 00:32:31,590know that you didn't come upwith this. But they did come up49800:32:31,590 --> 00:32:36,120with this really cool thing todo with SATs. So apparently,49900:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,390this is an Australian baseballleague. Are you aware of this?50000:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,870No. Yeah. So there's a realanother head baseball and50100:32:42,870 --> 00:32:43,830Australian Yeah,50200:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,440I can't believe they're not inconstant fights with the with50300:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440the cricket boys. Anyway, soyeah, apparently there's an50400:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,370Australian baseball league. Andthey play big venues because50500:32:53,370 --> 00:32:57,930they got jumbotrons. And so nowthey're they're going to do I'm50600:32:57,930 --> 00:33:01,320not sure when or when this isstarting. But on the Jumbotron50700:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,340when when a batter is up,they'll have stats for SATs for50800:33:05,340 --> 00:33:09,480stats. So they'll have hisstats, you know, his RBIs, and50900:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,720whatever it is, and they'll havea QR code. So you can scan it51000:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,830and send him SATs right then andthere on the spot. If he's in51100:33:16,830 --> 00:33:21,150the stadium in the stadium, ifhe screws up and makes an error,51200:33:21,180 --> 00:33:24,930then the then they have a stealthe SAT. So the first 100 people51300:33:24,930 --> 00:33:30,330to scan the QR code, get to takemoney away from the player. I51400:33:30,330 --> 00:33:32,700like that shit a lot, man,because they're gonna do an ln51500:33:32,700 --> 00:33:38,220URL. You know, withdrawal orall? Yeah, withdraw. Limited to51600:33:38,220 --> 00:33:42,750100 the first 100 I'm like, Thisis great. It's a great idea. I51700:33:42,750 --> 00:33:44,460love it. You got to put some,51800:33:44,610 --> 00:33:48,870yeah, it's very, it's veryAustralian to also give away to51900:33:48,870 --> 00:33:50,490pin lesson, buddy. Right?52000:33:50,970 --> 00:33:53,850So anyway, so you know, we alsotalked a bit about music, and52100:33:53,850 --> 00:33:57,060they were super interested inthat, because that's their whole52200:33:57,060 --> 00:34:01,950thing. Their core mission is tomake sure that if you want to go52300:34:01,950 --> 00:34:06,930from currency to Bitcoin, orvice versa, that's what they do,52400:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,890and they want to facilitate it.So getting over that hump for52500:34:10,890 --> 00:34:14,910many, with, you know, just, Ijust want a receipt, can I52600:34:14,910 --> 00:34:17,580receive dollars this way? Doesit work as a whole unit? I52700:34:17,580 --> 00:34:23,280don't, I don't want to go andlearn about it. lazy bums. This52800:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,750would get them started. Or ifthey're worried about as in, in52900:34:27,750 --> 00:34:31,860some cases, you know, IRS or taximplications are other stuff53000:34:31,860 --> 00:34:35,640just not comfortable withBitcoin on the balance sheet,53100:34:35,670 --> 00:34:39,120etc. Yeah, so I'm really excitedabout those guys doing that. I53200:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,770think it'd be a couple moreweeks. And of course, they're53300:34:40,770 --> 00:34:44,520going to do a case and we'regonna put it all together, man,53400:34:44,610 --> 00:34:45,600it's gonna be fantastic.53500:34:45,990 --> 00:34:49,620I can't wait to see it to seehow it works to see the first to53600:34:49,620 --> 00:34:52,530see the first you know, thebeginnings of it as a first53700:34:52,530 --> 00:34:55,050starts rolling that's going tobe fun to watch. And I think53800:34:55,050 --> 00:34:57,180it's really I mean, it's reallya big experiment for you guys.53900:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,660Oh, it's a very big experimentyou want to know agenda can54000:35:00,660 --> 00:35:07,530really do that. And we can do wecan start soliciting V for V in54100:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,410streams and, and booster grams.Oh, yeah, it's gonna be54200:35:10,410 --> 00:35:11,130dynamite.54300:35:11,460 --> 00:35:14,460Yeah, cuz you're right, it makesit makes the boost button within54400:35:14,460 --> 00:35:20,490ABS much more accessible topeople who don't want to do who54500:35:20,490 --> 00:35:24,000don't want to have that on ontheir side on their end to54600:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,590podcasters that don't want tohave54700:35:25,620 --> 00:35:28,200that don't wanna do that finalstep. You know, it's like,54800:35:28,320 --> 00:35:33,870imagine if you if you could justuse strike. You know, that would54900:35:33,870 --> 00:35:37,140work but you know, strike, theyonly have one kind of couple of55000:35:37,140 --> 00:35:40,260ways of sending money in or out.And this is a whole they of55100:35:40,260 --> 00:35:44,400course, they have an API, youcan develop it yourself, but I55200:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,720couldn't motivate anybody. Icouldn't find anybody with any55300:35:48,720 --> 00:35:53,520time. And helpers are lazy. No,not really. And they jumped55400:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,160right in and said, No, no, wewant to do this. We want to get55500:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,230this set up. So55600:35:59,250 --> 00:36:01,410anyway, I'm lazy about it.55700:36:02,970 --> 00:36:05,760You are working hard, man.That's what's going on with you.55800:36:05,790 --> 00:36:08,970Hey, I told him we would bringhim in early and here I am.55900:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,790Still true to my word. It'sstill early for a five hour56000:36:11,790 --> 00:36:16,110show. Please welcome to theboardroom. The former Silicon56100:36:16,110 --> 00:36:19,980Valley insider now retired frompublic life known as John56200:36:19,980 --> 00:36:20,670Sparrow.56300:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,450Hey, guys, that's all right.That's right. I was just56400:36:24,450 --> 00:36:27,180following a Rogers Cadenheadover on Twitter while you guys56500:36:27,180 --> 00:36:33,660were talking. Shut up for Texas.So he's from Dallas area, right56600:36:33,660 --> 00:36:34,620next door. Yeah.56700:36:34,650 --> 00:36:36,630Gee, okay. Yeah. Real nice guy.56800:36:39,630 --> 00:36:41,760I'm getting a double dose foryou guys. Because I listened to56900:36:41,910 --> 00:36:45,180pod land or whatever it'scalled. Now this very long57000:36:45,180 --> 00:36:46,680chapter. Very long chapter.57100:36:47,130 --> 00:36:51,090Extremely long week for Jamesand, and Sam a57200:36:51,450 --> 00:36:53,220very long week. Yeah,57300:36:53,250 --> 00:36:55,320I like your guys interviewthough. I like hearing the57400:36:55,380 --> 00:36:58,080Genesis story. No matter howmany times I hear it. It's,57500:36:58,380 --> 00:37:00,900there's always a new fact thatcomes out there. So that's57600:37:01,140 --> 00:37:01,980always good to hear that.57700:37:03,750 --> 00:37:07,440I want to throw, I want to throwsomething in and I jotted this57800:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,360down on the way to the officethis morning. Not while I was57900:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,600driving, but I thought of it andIndra jotted it down when I got58000:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,670to the office. But there was, Ihad printed this thing off a58100:37:20,670 --> 00:37:26,520while back. That quote, I'm sureyou remember it. John, that58200:37:26,550 --> 00:37:31,650quote from Marco Arment, wherehe said cheap, sloppy, I think58300:37:31,650 --> 00:37:34,650it was a tweet. He said cheap,sloppy dynamic ad insertion and58400:37:34,650 --> 00:37:38,520podcasts continues to degradethe experience for listeners.58500:37:39,690 --> 00:37:44,520And he went on he said more. Hecontinued it was it was a longer58600:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,250statement because he then wentinto how people are blaming the58700:37:50,250 --> 00:37:56,610podcast apps for bad dynamic adinsertion. And that second part58800:37:56,610 --> 00:37:59,610of what he said ended upbecoming the entire story within58900:37:59,610 --> 00:38:04,740podcasting. It ended up becominga story about how bad dynamic ad59000:38:04,740 --> 00:38:09,750insertion is making is ends upblaming the apps listeners blame59100:38:09,750 --> 00:38:13,020the apps. But really like thefirst part is almost kind of59200:38:13,020 --> 00:38:16,020lost the fact. And what I meanby the first part is the fact59300:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,810that there even is cheap,sloppy, dynamic ad insertion.59400:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,910And I would, I would go furtherand say, more than just cheap,59500:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,940sloppy dynamic ad insertion, Iwould say dynamic ad insertion59600:38:26,970 --> 00:38:33,600at all. And so here's what I'mtrying to get to. I feel this59700:38:33,600 --> 00:38:39,030comes up a lot, where you lookat things like chapters,59800:38:39,030 --> 00:38:45,630transcripts, we know what haveyou. And the question is, yeah,59900:38:45,630 --> 00:38:48,330but that gets really complicatedand starts to break when you60000:38:48,330 --> 00:38:51,510have dynamic ad insertion,specifically when you have60100:38:51,510 --> 00:38:57,930dynamic ad insertion that isthat is that takes the form of60200:38:58,290 --> 00:39:04,470every GET request stitchestogether a new mp3 file that60300:39:04,470 --> 00:39:10,290didn't exist before, sometimeswith ads sometimes without, with60400:39:10,290 --> 00:39:17,190various ad slots or Lyfordlinks. Yes. And so, I guess I60500:39:17,190 --> 00:39:23,790just wanted to this, this feelslike what's the right way to say60600:39:23,790 --> 00:39:31,080this, this feels like sort of abastardization of HTTP of the60700:39:31,080 --> 00:39:41,280delivery of of the delivery offiles through HTTP. And it feels60800:39:41,280 --> 00:39:48,510like this is all going to thisall rolls back to advertising60900:39:49,110 --> 00:39:53,790being based on IP addresses andgeo locate that's why this in61000:39:53,790 --> 00:39:57,420the in the context of op threethis this gives me in what61100:39:57,420 --> 00:40:01,110you're doing makes sense to me.There's this Whole, there's this61200:40:01,110 --> 00:40:06,870whole construct that is now,really in the last two years has61300:40:06,870 --> 00:40:11,730really come to dominate podcastdelivery. And it's this idea61400:40:11,730 --> 00:40:17,460that, you know, downloads areking. IP geolocation is king,61500:40:18,300 --> 00:40:25,260you know, met user informationbased on IP addresses is61600:40:25,290 --> 00:40:30,390legitimate. And so you've hadthis entire construct that has61700:40:30,420 --> 00:40:35,160grown in the last couple ofyears really, for this61800:40:35,250 --> 00:40:40,950dynamically stitched together onthe fly content, it's breaking61900:40:41,430 --> 00:40:44,820things within podcasting, thatare good ideas and making that62000:40:44,820 --> 00:40:51,960stuff difficult. And the realproblem is down the road, it62100:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,260feels like it's all gonna fallapart anyway. Because IP,62200:40:55,890 --> 00:41:00,750there's going to they're we'removing towards a world where IP62300:41:00,930 --> 00:41:04,320addresses are not going to bereliable sources of that62400:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,740information anyway. So the wholething, just this whole on the62500:41:07,740 --> 00:41:11,130fly dynamic stitching ofadvertising into into audio62600:41:11,130 --> 00:41:16,830enclosures, it feels like ahouse of cards, that now that's62700:41:16,830 --> 00:41:20,670a huge soliloquy that I'm nowgoing to turn over to you to62800:41:20,670 --> 00:41:21,240reply to.62900:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,530I agree, it makes things moredifficult. But I don't see that63000:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,750changing. And in fact, if youlisten to a lot of the63100:41:30,750 --> 00:41:33,030conversations that are going on,I think you're gonna see it a63200:41:33,030 --> 00:41:37,050lot more, as opposed to a lotless going for because they are63300:41:37,050 --> 00:41:40,800outsourcing. So these hosts areoutsourcing to third parties63400:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,040that do this, you know, forthem. So I think you're gonna63500:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,280see a lot more of it, I, I thinkwe need to figure out as a63600:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,920group, how to work in the worldwhere that's the case. So I63700:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,010think we should be able to tweakI'm pretty optimistic that we63800:41:56,010 --> 00:41:59,790can live in the world wherethings are delivered that way,63900:41:59,820 --> 00:42:03,180because even without the usertargeting, that's one of the64000:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,120things you mentioned, that mightmake it less interesting in the64100:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,570future, they still haveinventory. So they, you know,64200:42:09,570 --> 00:42:13,860you want to send the ad out 20times and then stop, you know,64300:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,680no matter who's listening to it,that's always going to be there.64400:42:17,220 --> 00:42:22,050So even if they, a lot of hostswill do that now after the fact.64500:42:22,050 --> 00:42:24,810So they'll kind of like let itrun and then re stitch a static64600:42:24,810 --> 00:42:27,660file. But ultimately, they'reall going to go towards the same64700:42:27,660 --> 00:42:30,870thing where, you know, it's likethe old AdSense thing. Like64800:42:30,870 --> 00:42:35,070we'll we'll just have someprogrammatic way of buying stuff64900:42:35,070 --> 00:42:39,420to stick in podcasts. And then away to stitch it on the back65000:42:39,420 --> 00:42:41,550end. And if they don't build itthemselves, they'll definitely65100:42:41,550 --> 00:42:45,210use a third party to do it likeblueberry. Right? That's someone65200:42:45,210 --> 00:42:47,790that yeah, has a bunch ofdevelopment stuff on there. And65300:42:47,790 --> 00:42:51,810but they are working with athird party to do it. For their65400:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,370for their shows. And I see I seeit just getting, I don't want to65500:42:56,370 --> 00:42:58,650say better or worse, butdefinitely, like more prevalent65600:42:58,650 --> 00:43:01,530going forward. So I would, Iwould hope that we can come up65700:43:01,530 --> 00:43:05,070with things that work in thatworld, as opposed to trying to65800:43:05,070 --> 00:43:07,680say, it's always going to bestatic files forever.65900:43:08,910 --> 00:43:12,870That is, I was it was reallyhitting me hard because we were66000:43:12,870 --> 00:43:17,550doing me and Alex are runningthese parallel download things66100:43:17,550 --> 00:43:21,690such as this taking. His thingis taking weeks because like,66200:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,420you know, if you're goingthrough form and downloading 466300:43:24,420 --> 00:43:28,890million enclosures are overthat. Man, I hit a batch the66400:43:28,890 --> 00:43:35,040other day, these enclosures werehuge. I mean, like four, five66500:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,570gigabytes in size. And it's justnot like all of a sudden my disk66600:43:39,570 --> 00:43:42,810space when we know where we'reat now. Oh, wow, what just66700:43:42,810 --> 00:43:45,930happened? And I started lookingthrough these things. And then66800:43:45,930 --> 00:43:48,180it got me a little nervous. I'mlike, Okay, what am I actually66900:43:48,180 --> 00:43:54,270download? Movies. They were,they were not movies, they were67000:43:55,050 --> 00:43:59,910like video blogs. Of like someladies like showing how to knit67100:43:59,910 --> 00:44:00,600a hat. Oh,67200:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,530I uploaded the raw the rawvideo, the raw files straight67300:44:04,530 --> 00:44:09,090from from what is it? Adobestarter kit,67400:44:09,450 --> 00:44:12,090or something like that? Yeah, itwas like a it was like a five67500:44:12,090 --> 00:44:19,800gig move dot mov file. It was inlike, you know, 10 ADP. And it's67600:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,970just her knitting knitting ahat.67700:44:21,450 --> 00:44:23,070That's cool, though. I mean,that's the cool thing about67800:44:23,070 --> 00:44:25,800podcasts eventually, you know,there'll be players that can67900:44:25,830 --> 00:44:27,300they can play that kind ofstuff. So I loved68000:44:28,020 --> 00:44:28,770I loved it, but I was68100:44:30,270 --> 00:44:31,260knitting It's68200:44:32,940 --> 00:44:36,660Sunday, I was thinking, knitting68300:44:38,910 --> 00:44:43,560that every one of thesedownloads that I've requested68400:44:43,620 --> 00:44:48,030and received in order to justsimply do analysis. I'm going to68500:44:48,030 --> 00:44:51,930download the episode run ananalysis on it with the with a68600:44:51,930 --> 00:44:56,940with the ML model and then tossit every one of those in a68700:44:56,940 --> 00:45:02,880dynamic ad insertion model I gotdelivered in a head for that.68800:45:03,420 --> 00:45:09,990And that ad was a complete wasteof, of money like this. This68900:45:10,020 --> 00:45:12,240was yesterday, should they usefor it? Do69000:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,320I just use the podcast indexuser agent? Yeah.69100:45:16,380 --> 00:45:20,040Oh, it's not. It's not iOS. It'snot getting monetized. Yeah,69200:45:20,070 --> 00:45:22,470exactly. Now, if you putovercast in there, I would agree69300:45:22,470 --> 00:45:24,630with you. I think they arefiltering that out. So they know69400:45:24,630 --> 00:45:26,880they delivered it, but they'renot going to charge anyone for69500:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,130that as long as you use curl orsomething like that.69600:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,660Sure. It just goes back to thewhole. I guess, I guess the69700:45:33,660 --> 00:45:36,900concern I have is that there's afront, it feels like there's a69800:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,350framework that there's going tobe answers to all of these69900:45:40,350 --> 00:45:42,690things, everything I can throwout, there's going to be70000:45:42,690 --> 00:45:44,460something like, oh, yeah, well,then, you know, they've already70100:45:44,460 --> 00:45:49,320thought of it. And I agree, I doagree, understand this. There. I70200:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,660guess in general, I can't kickthis feeling that there's been a70300:45:51,660 --> 00:45:56,220framework built here on on alittle bit of shaky ground,70400:45:56,220 --> 00:45:59,370which is sort of goes back towhat James and and Sam were70500:45:59,370 --> 00:46:02,190talking about the other daywith. And sort of when, when70600:46:02,190 --> 00:46:05,160we're thinking everybody isstill concentrated on downloads70700:46:05,160 --> 00:46:11,010instead of listens. And, and Ithink we do really have to move70800:46:11,430 --> 00:46:14,670towards trying to think oflistens instead of downloads,70900:46:14,670 --> 00:46:19,170because every download centricmodel just makes everything is71000:46:19,170 --> 00:46:21,270still very shaky and unstable.71100:46:21,420 --> 00:46:24,510Okay, so here's, here's my idea.I'm gonna have to give you my71200:46:24,510 --> 00:46:28,620idea now for a second. Alright,because it'll it'll take us into71300:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,580the hopefully into moreconversation. Can't we just71400:46:33,030 --> 00:46:40,860create a podcast eventsparameter that is returned my71500:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,450listening habits? And in somecases, maybe the app gives you a71600:46:45,450 --> 00:46:49,110Satoshi for it per minute orwhatever? I mean, isn't that71700:46:49,110 --> 00:46:53,220just a simple way? We all know,ultimately, it has to come from71800:46:53,220 --> 00:46:57,870the player side. If the playerside utilizes podcast events,71900:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,950the podcast events tag in thenamespace? Can't one of the72000:47:01,950 --> 00:47:07,920events be, you know, voluntarilyreport. I mean, there's a lot of72100:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,710trust issues here. But we got tostart somewhere. I mean, that72200:47:10,710 --> 00:47:15,390seems like a very elegant way todo it. Because for 18 years,72300:47:15,390 --> 00:47:18,630I've said you can't monetize thenetwork, this will never work,72400:47:18,630 --> 00:47:21,810it's only going to get worse. Ifthis is the standard is just72500:47:21,810 --> 00:47:26,610going to and I see the IABframework and apps and all kinds72600:47:26,610 --> 00:47:28,890of shit. It's disgusting.72700:47:29,940 --> 00:47:32,310And honestly, even from a techpoint of view, it's kind of72800:47:32,310 --> 00:47:37,200dumb, because they would a goodplayer in a good system would72900:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,280cache a lot of this stuff. Butit's it's a business decision73000:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,650why they're not allowingcaching, right? Like all these73100:47:43,650 --> 00:47:47,280hosters are like don't cachewhereas in any other world, they73200:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,010would be pleased cache becauseyou're not hitting our servers73300:47:50,010 --> 00:47:53,610over and over. So the reasonthey do that is because they73400:47:53,610 --> 00:47:58,620need some level of info ofwhat's going on. So yeah, if73500:47:58,620 --> 00:48:00,600there's another way of gettingthat, but you73600:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,350know, what gets me that'll begreat. What gets me, John is,73700:48:04,710 --> 00:48:08,160and by the way, we didn't reallyintro John properly. But of73800:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,980course, one of the main thingshe set up is Opie73900:48:10,980 --> 00:48:16,500three.org to.org dot Dev, right,dot dev Opie three dot Dev. And74000:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,290so and we need to delve intothat a little bit closer. So74100:48:19,290 --> 00:48:24,390he's been really working on onthese data, you know, as what do74200:48:24,390 --> 00:48:30,270you call it a prefix. Service.It's not really a good name. But74300:48:30,270 --> 00:48:33,810yeah, prefix analytics, statsservice. And74400:48:33,810 --> 00:48:37,320what gets me is that I'm sittinghere, literally, May, I made74500:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,770three decisions. Here's thedecision I made based upon74600:48:40,770 --> 00:48:43,290listening data. So this hasnothing to do with advertising.74700:48:43,290 --> 00:48:48,420But so just just to keep it withlistens versus downloads. And I74800:48:48,420 --> 00:48:52,740did this in the in the Saturnanalytics that's connected to74900:48:52,740 --> 00:48:56,760Alby. And I saw that and we hadthree shows planned for no75000:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,680agenda for our 15th anniversary.The first Thursday was the75100:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,490actual 15th anniversary. Then wehad a Sunday in the middle, and75200:49:05,490 --> 00:49:10,650we had a final Thursday, whichis episode 1500. And I decided75300:49:10,650 --> 00:49:14,370to change the format, knowingthat donations will be large.75400:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,600And I thought it would spreadout over those three days. So75500:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,120instead of doing two breaks, wedid two and a half hours of75600:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,180show. And then we read for aboutan hour and a half the first75700:49:24,180 --> 00:49:26,850day, hour and a half the secondday, and I went back and I was75800:49:26,850 --> 00:49:30,360looking at listening analytics.And I could see the drop off was75900:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,130so dramatic, that I think peoplewho may be even we're listening76000:49:35,130 --> 00:49:38,550to wait to hear their name ortheir note or whatever, they76100:49:38,550 --> 00:49:41,580might not have even heard it.Now that's just a sample because76200:49:41,580 --> 00:49:45,660all they have is streamSatoshis. But I think if as long76300:49:45,660 --> 00:49:48,240as you have a baseline, which Ihave with the amount of data we76400:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,810have, you kind of got a goodidea. And so, you know, I made76500:49:51,810 --> 00:49:55,290some decisions for our thirdshow based upon that. And here I76600:49:55,290 --> 00:49:59,280was doing stuff that we're stilltalking about 18 years later76700:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,610trying to figure You're out howto implement it. Can it ever76800:50:02,610 --> 00:50:03,810happen John Spurlock?76900:50:05,970 --> 00:50:08,070I think we need to come up withsomething that people do. I77000:50:08,070 --> 00:50:10,620mean, if everyone used thatsystem right now, it would be77100:50:10,620 --> 00:50:13,860amazing, right? So it's justlike getting something out there77200:50:13,860 --> 00:50:19,770that people will adopt. And Ithink the story behind events, I77300:50:19,770 --> 00:50:22,260know, we're kind of going allaround here. But the one of the77400:50:22,260 --> 00:50:26,790tags that's coming up, that Iproposed for the face six is a77500:50:26,790 --> 00:50:31,080hopefully a very simple way forjust anyone out there like apps77600:50:31,110 --> 00:50:36,720to send back trusted informationback to the podcaster. So if we77700:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,910take a step back, podcasting islike broadcasting in a way, even77800:50:41,910 --> 00:50:44,220though it's sort of you know,there's feeds and all that if77900:50:44,220 --> 00:50:47,610you take a step back, thepodcaster, is putting their78000:50:47,610 --> 00:50:51,600creation out to the world. Andthey're saying here, you know,78100:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,350just like a webpage your worldand it's on the internet, apps78200:50:55,350 --> 00:50:58,140can go fetch it, and that's therelationship, right? So it's a78300:50:58,140 --> 00:51:01,440very broad castI sort ofrelationship, if you look at the78400:51:01,830 --> 00:51:05,520boxes and lines of it, right.And so they are able to, and78500:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,950that's great. But there's no wayfor the consumers of that the78600:51:10,950 --> 00:51:14,850apps right now, the relationshipon that, and is pretty one way,78700:51:14,850 --> 00:51:18,750it's like, thank you for thiscontent. I'll download it. And78800:51:18,750 --> 00:51:21,390like as a side effect ofdownloading it, you get some78900:51:21,390 --> 00:51:26,700info. You know, Marco has a verystrong, you know, he has he has79000:51:26,850 --> 00:51:29,460very strong principles of whathe like he thinks the right79100:51:29,460 --> 00:51:34,140thing to do is, and when he'sfetching feeds, he's like, hey,79200:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,330I want to do right, by thepodcasters. I'm going to tell79300:51:36,330 --> 00:51:40,020them how many people aresubscribed, right, for example,79400:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,570in the feeds, and that's greatinfo. I mean, that's something79500:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,870that you to your point, Adam,you know, you do a baseline, and79600:51:45,870 --> 00:51:48,420you say it's your went up orwent down or whatever. But79700:51:48,420 --> 00:51:52,590people would love to get thatinfo, but he sticks it in a very79800:51:52,590 --> 00:51:55,260forgettable channel, right? Hesticks it in the user agent,79900:51:55,740 --> 00:51:59,070there's no way for him to evenif he wanted to do it, to send80000:51:59,070 --> 00:52:02,730it. So I think the the eventstag was like meant to be80100:52:02,730 --> 00:52:06,750literally just like an inbox,right? It's like, here is a80200:52:07,110 --> 00:52:09,720single channel. So we figure outa way to get unforgivable80300:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,380requests in. And from there, wecan build these different80400:52:13,380 --> 00:52:18,810payloads. So I've heard a ton ofdifferent really good, really80500:52:18,810 --> 00:52:22,740good ideas so far. So butsubscribers listens. That's80600:52:22,740 --> 00:52:24,030obviously one of them. What80700:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,770I was, I was gonna ask you, whatis your, where's your focus80800:52:28,770 --> 00:52:32,760going to be? And I asked thisspecifically, because I just80900:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,510personally, don't feel verymotivated to help fix the81000:52:36,540 --> 00:52:40,500dynamically insert inserted adbusiness. I like what Dave said,81100:52:40,620 --> 00:52:44,460which is, hey, this stuff isbreaking shit. So what is what81200:52:44,460 --> 00:52:47,940is your driver? What do you whatwould you like to achieve short81300:52:47,940 --> 00:52:48,690term?81400:52:50,130 --> 00:52:52,830I don't like to do anything. SoI'm lazy, right? So I just I81500:52:52,830 --> 00:52:58,620just do this for a reason. And Ican't talk at like, in great81600:52:58,620 --> 00:53:01,470detail about the reason butlet's say it like, so I had I81700:53:01,470 --> 00:53:04,500had an interview on pod land awhile ago. And they were talking81800:53:04,500 --> 00:53:07,620about op three, I think. Butthat was the week that the I81900:53:07,620 --> 00:53:10,080heart stuff came out. And so wetalked about that. And I think82000:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,930as as part of that I had acomment like, hey, these players82100:53:12,930 --> 00:53:15,390have this great information, butI'm not holding my breath. And82200:53:15,390 --> 00:53:19,140I'm sending it anywhere, anytimesoon. And that seemed like a82300:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,680pretty non controversial sort ofthing to say back then. But I82400:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,130got82500:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,200well, you you confuse me. So youhave a reason for this. But you82600:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,870you, you don't you don't want toshare that. Just the only thing82700:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,660that immediately makes me thinkwell hang on, I'm giving you all82800:53:36,660 --> 00:53:39,720my data. What are you buildingwith my data, then is no82900:53:40,500 --> 00:53:44,010different things to differentthings. So yeah, so separate out83000:53:44,010 --> 00:53:49,650op three from podcast events.They're kind of sorry, I'm83100:53:49,650 --> 00:53:52,920talking right now about podcastevents, which is, again, that's83200:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,720what that's what I'm doing. Iknow83300:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,870what you do on your secret isn'tthat's like the biggest known83400:53:57,870 --> 00:53:59,220secret in the industry?83500:54:00,450 --> 00:54:03,030Well, I think if you listen towhat you guys talked about in83600:54:03,030 --> 00:54:05,700your in your show, too, I thinkyou know what, like, what's83700:54:05,700 --> 00:54:09,180going on is messing with you.But basically apps, it turns83800:54:09,180 --> 00:54:12,810out, are very interested inhelping out this problem. And83900:54:12,810 --> 00:54:16,830they are, they're willing to doit. But they're tapping a bunch84000:54:16,830 --> 00:54:20,490of people on the back and sayinglike, how do we do this? And so84100:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,670my concern and what where I'mcoming from with all this is84200:54:23,670 --> 00:54:28,890obviously not in any sort ofuser privacy sort of backstop.84300:54:28,890 --> 00:54:32,460Right. Ideally, we would this isall summary information that84400:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,590would be sent. It's onlyinformation that they already84500:54:34,590 --> 00:54:37,920have. And they already give itto podcasters at a at a summary84600:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,980level. And you know, there'sother administrative stuff that84700:54:40,980 --> 00:54:43,110could go over this channel aswell. But our concern, my84800:54:43,110 --> 00:54:46,260concern is that if we didn'thave something out there, like84900:54:46,260 --> 00:54:50,280as a proposal as like the openway to do it, as opposed to85000:54:50,669 --> 00:54:53,249Yeah, it will get done in closedwalls. It's85100:54:53,250 --> 00:54:56,490gonna be done point to point itexactly. So I thought we need85200:54:56,490 --> 00:54:59,970something. Yeah, exactly. It'slike and that makes a lot of85300:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,490sense, right? Because then theycan say, all right, like you can85400:55:02,490 --> 00:55:07,620get stats from the Big Threeplayers. And that's enough. And85500:55:07,620 --> 00:55:11,250I love the fact that, you know,podcasting is not like that or85600:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,190has not been like that to date.So if we can figure this out, I85700:55:14,190 --> 00:55:18,330think I think people will bewilling to use it. But it's,85800:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,140it's also, it's also useful in avariety of different contexts.85900:55:22,350 --> 00:55:25,620So there is a tight rope, Ithink, to some level. With86000:55:25,620 --> 00:55:28,980events, it's like, hey, we nowwe have this new channel, that86100:55:28,980 --> 00:55:33,270is a trusted way for podcasters.To get feedback from apps, you86200:55:33,270 --> 00:55:35,400can think of a lot ofinteresting stuff to send over86300:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,280there. And I think it's likeonce it's like the namespace86400:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,670within a namespace thing, oncewe establish that channel that86500:55:41,670 --> 00:55:45,060everyone can trust, and I don'tknow how Tech Tech you want to86600:55:45,060 --> 00:55:47,550go, but we can talk about howyou can trust it all the way,86700:55:47,550 --> 00:55:50,970then we can talk about thepayloads that go inside of it,86800:55:50,970 --> 00:55:53,580right. And that's where I think,Oh, here's the things I86900:55:53,580 --> 00:55:57,930got one, I got one. I want oneto be a selfie of when what87000:55:57,930 --> 00:55:59,310you're doing while you'relistening.87100:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,210Be the be real app. That's to bereal. There you go.87200:56:03,270 --> 00:56:06,900Yeah, at this point in the show.Yeah, the app could take a87300:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,750picture. Yeah, absolutely. Imean, there's no bad ideas with87400:56:09,750 --> 00:56:12,630this. It's just a channel thatdoesn't exist right now. And87500:56:12,630 --> 00:56:15,840honestly, the channel that doesexist is the email address. This87600:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,260is how people ping thepodcaster, they hunt for the87700:56:19,260 --> 00:56:22,410email address, and they sendsome inbound. And if you're87800:56:22,410 --> 00:56:25,290smart, you filter all that out.And it goes to spam. Right? So87900:56:25,290 --> 00:56:28,320this is a, this is a mechanicalinbox, right? Where you can88000:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,280have, you can have structuredinformation coming back. And88100:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,620that works for you. Because youhave services that are88200:56:34,620 --> 00:56:38,130presenting it to you. You couldeven envision, like a lot of88300:56:38,130 --> 00:56:42,870these are feed drops and stuff.They're all about like, oh, you88400:56:42,870 --> 00:56:45,360know, here's my offer to be onyour show, blah, blah, blah.88500:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,600That's all done with a with ahorrible email right now, right?88600:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,860But you can imagine, hey, I'll,I'll send a structured request.88700:56:52,860 --> 00:56:56,340And then on your side, you couldhave a filter that says, once88800:56:56,340 --> 00:56:59,580the request gets up to thislevel from this venue, then I'll88900:56:59,580 --> 00:57:01,950accept it right. So there's allthese things that we're doing89000:57:01,950 --> 00:57:05,430manually in email right now,that can use this channel, if it89100:57:05,430 --> 00:57:05,940exists.89200:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,640Yeah, I like that a lot. Whatwill the transport mechanism be?89300:57:11,670 --> 00:57:14,070I mean, we've talked about this,I guess this doesn't matter.89400:57:14,070 --> 00:57:17,280It's just a URL with an endpointto hit. Is that Is that what it89500:57:17,400 --> 00:57:17,580was?89600:57:17,580 --> 00:57:20,520I think, you know, it's gottabe, it's gotta be JSON, right?89700:57:20,520 --> 00:57:21,060It's got to be89800:57:23,910 --> 00:57:25,200walked right into that.89900:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,490Right now, the idea is, it'sgotta be as simple as possible.90000:57:29,490 --> 00:57:33,600So the proposal is literallyjust a very simple JSON payload.90100:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,790But that's not the interestingpart. The interesting part is90200:57:35,790 --> 00:57:40,590how you how you make sure thatthat's, that's trustable. And90300:57:40,590 --> 00:57:42,480fortunately, we don't have toreinvent the wheel on that.90400:57:42,509 --> 00:57:47,369So while you're using the Jade,using the J WTS. Derive? It90500:57:47,369 --> 00:57:52,379feels like a good approach tothat. And my question around. So90600:57:52,379 --> 00:57:56,249if I understand the spec, it'sit's just a post body is just a90700:57:56,249 --> 00:58:05,819JSON posted body? With, with theJ WT with the correct. With the90800:58:05,819 --> 00:58:08,789correct add on with a column forverbs, I'm not sure what those90900:58:08,789 --> 00:58:13,229things are. In that, that youthat you constructed the so91000:58:13,259 --> 00:58:16,829where are the site? Where arethe keys coming? Getting91100:58:16,829 --> 00:58:21,569assigned at is that coming from?I mean, like how if I'm, if I'm91200:58:23,369 --> 00:58:27,359in days, okay, index, and I'mgonna open up an endpoint for an91300:58:27,359 --> 00:58:32,189inbox URL, how, how do I goabout do I need to give out keys91400:58:32,189 --> 00:58:33,809to everybody I want toauthorize.91500:58:35,340 --> 00:58:39,180So you would be on this site asthe podcast index, you probably91600:58:39,180 --> 00:58:42,600want to be the sender, right? Soyou want to send information I91700:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,240would be receiving the play, Iwould be a receiver, I want to91800:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,750have a receiver endpoint forlet's just say our feed for your91900:58:48,750 --> 00:58:52,050feed. Okay, so you set up aendpoint, some sort of HTTP92000:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,930thing that listens, that can bein Rust, or whatever you want to92100:58:54,930 --> 00:58:56,520be? And92200:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,870you mocking me, John? I think sotoo. I felt a lot. I feel very,92300:59:01,380 --> 00:59:03,390now we're all going to be rustdevelopers at some point. I'm92400:59:03,390 --> 00:59:05,220just You're, you're ahead of mea little bit.92500:59:05,310 --> 00:59:07,170That's what they've been tellingus for seven years. So.92600:59:08,610 --> 00:59:11,130But um, yeah, you just set up anendpoint just like any of your92700:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,310other API endpoints, and itreceived JSON. So that's pretty92800:59:14,310 --> 00:59:18,000easy. The tricky part is lookingat the authorization header and92900:59:18,930 --> 00:59:23,880checking the signature. Now thesignature is based on URLs. So93000:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,480the sender when it sends theinfo, it signs it with something93100:59:28,140 --> 00:59:32,370that lives on a URL that theyown. So let's say Apple podcasts93200:59:32,370 --> 00:59:36,150is sending you information. TheURL is actually in as part of93300:59:36,150 --> 00:59:38,550the signature and it says likethis is coming from93400:59:38,550 --> 00:59:43,830podcast.apple.com/keys.json orwhatever. So you see that it's93500:59:43,830 --> 00:59:47,160signed with that. And then youcan decide and everyone can93600:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,490decide based on your policy,like, whether you trust them or93700:59:50,490 --> 00:59:54,600not. And you can look at whatwhat typically happens is Apple93800:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,320podcasts will on their supportpage be like, Oh, this is our93900:59:58,350 --> 01:00:01,140keys dot JSON file. If you seestuff coming from this URL.94001:00:01,140 --> 01:00:04,950That's us. And then you can havea What's great about this is94101:00:04,950 --> 01:00:07,080there's no meetings involved,right? Like, you don't have to94201:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,340set up any sort of initial.94301:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,310That's my kind of business. Nomeetings.94401:00:11,820 --> 01:00:16,590Yeah, this is my mantra. But um,you know, it's allows different94501:00:16,590 --> 01:00:19,440people that have differentpolicies. So you could say, you94601:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,120know, if you're veryconservative, you can say only94701:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,810trust things that come fromApple podcasts, but someone like94801:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,260podcasts index would probablywant to support you know, the94901:00:28,260 --> 01:00:30,990longtail of everyone out thereand see what everyone's sending.95001:00:31,140 --> 01:00:34,560So it's all based on a URL,Apple are actually already does95101:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,900this for their that they're twodifferent API's that they had95201:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,950the App Store notifications andput in their identity service.95301:00:44,310 --> 01:00:47,430So it is kind of a solvedproblem, like how to deal with95401:00:47,790 --> 01:00:50,850authenticating people comingfrom any random place on the95501:00:50,850 --> 01:00:53,580internet and make sure that thatidentity is stable over time. So95601:00:53,580 --> 01:00:56,550it's the same sort of thing. Iit's not, you know, you have to95701:00:56,550 --> 01:01:00,000do a one time setup on thesender side, but on the receiver95801:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,060side, on your side, you justneed to write the code once and95901:01:03,060 --> 01:01:06,600then decide in your ifstatement, like, do I want to96001:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,780ingest further things that comefrom this URL, and you could96101:01:09,780 --> 01:01:12,630even put them in purgatory tostart out, you could say, I'll96201:01:12,630 --> 01:01:15,990save the data, but I won'tprocess it until I look up this96301:01:15,990 --> 01:01:17,730URL and see what's up with it.96401:01:19,230 --> 01:01:23,280Yeah, makes purchases. Sothere's, there's a, there's a96501:01:23,310 --> 01:01:27,750there's a public URL somewherethat lists essentially a public96601:01:27,750 --> 01:01:31,560key. And they're gonna signthere, you're gonna sign the JD96701:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,070btw, Senator, you can do it, youcan author you can authenticate96801:01:35,070 --> 01:01:40,800it by by checking the signaturematches their public key, and96901:01:40,830 --> 01:01:44,070then decide whether or not youwant to trust that entity or97001:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,200not. So here's let me give you areal world scenario of something97101:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,700that is needed. And it's notnecessarily different than what97201:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,520we talked about just a secondago. But maybe there's a little97301:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,620bit more flavor to it here. Theone thing that we talked about97401:02:01,620 --> 01:02:05,940when whenever I talked to peoplethat want to use the index, for97501:02:05,940 --> 01:02:09,030like, bigger things, you know,if there's an accompany that97601:02:09,030 --> 01:02:12,750wants to use the index for, youknow, putting podcast data into97701:02:12,750 --> 01:02:16,140some device or something likethat. One of the things that we97801:02:16,140 --> 01:02:20,640always that I always ask themis, you know, hey, you know,97901:02:20,640 --> 01:02:26,040this is free, the index is free,use it, you know, have everyone.98001:02:26,730 --> 01:02:29,820And, you know, if, if you're ifyou make a lot of money off of98101:02:29,820 --> 01:02:34,080it, consider a donation. Butalso, part of the value that98201:02:34,380 --> 01:02:38,850would be great to get back is,can you send us back usage data,98301:02:39,450 --> 01:02:42,960you know, anonymized or hairsummary, your I don't care what98401:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,810it is. I just need usage data.Because what one thing that the98501:02:48,810 --> 01:02:54,120index lacks severely is realworld data about who is98601:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,880listening to what shows. Andthis is, this is a problem98701:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,840across all of podcasting. It'spretty much what you described98801:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,090earlier, you have tons ofpodcast apps, all with peep with98901:03:06,090 --> 01:03:11,520dedicated user bases, thelistening to shows, and none of99001:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,140that data is coming back intothese, quote unquote, rankers99101:03:16,620 --> 01:03:18,990except for the one that fountainpublishes,99201:03:19,590 --> 01:03:24,030yes, that's other than that,everybody is just like, you99301:03:24,030 --> 01:03:27,540know, you have this void of thisvoid of information. So what you99401:03:27,540 --> 01:03:34,440end up with is silos of, of, ofdata, where you have, like, if I99501:03:34,440 --> 01:03:40,650go into if I go into overcastand, and hit where, okay, I'm99601:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,500gonna go, I want to go find ashow. And it comes up with their99701:03:43,500 --> 01:03:46,980trending list, you know, thethere, the markers page that has99801:03:46,980 --> 01:03:49,590all the different popular showsthat are currently popular in99901:03:49,590 --> 01:03:54,840his system. It's all dominatedby things like accidental tech,100001:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,860and but Is that wrong? No, no,I'm not saying that's wrong. No,100101:03:58,860 --> 01:04:02,130I'm totally not saying at allthat that's wrong. What I'm100201:04:02,130 --> 01:04:06,600saying is, it would be reallynice, like, that's going to be100301:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,830the case for his app, thenthere's going to be fountains100401:04:11,070 --> 01:04:14,520list is going to look different.The podcasts indexes list is100501:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,760going to look different, like noagenda is going to be up there,100601:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,940podcasting. 2.0 is going to beup there. So if you took all of100701:04:20,940 --> 01:04:26,100that data in, in aggregated ittogether, you would smooth out100801:04:26,100 --> 01:04:29,730all of those silos and you wouldhave a much better view of100901:04:29,730 --> 01:04:32,910what's actually popular acrossall of podcasting101001:04:33,149 --> 01:04:37,259am going to ask you and to whatend this is, this is the benefit101101:04:37,259 --> 01:04:37,619who101201:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,720will because we're like, podcastindex. We're not. We're an101301:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,920index, we're supposed to belike, I want neutral data. I101401:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,940don't want data that's beenaffected by the fact that that101501:04:50,940 --> 01:04:57,720we did our show is our show isartificially inflated in our own101601:04:57,720 --> 01:04:58,560statistics,101701:04:58,950 --> 01:05:03,510right. So our Are you saying wewould want to possibly integrate101801:05:03,510 --> 01:05:09,570some data from OPI three, fouras an example, or this adventure101901:05:09,570 --> 01:05:12,540data or this events data? Imean, it's really no different102001:05:12,540 --> 01:05:20,460than then basically the Facebookspy SDK except you ask people to102101:05:20,490 --> 01:05:23,940for permission to give theinformation. And it's kind of102201:05:23,940 --> 01:05:28,890the quote unquote, ultimateworld where you can determine102301:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,260what you want to share with whois that what I'm hearing?102401:05:31,860 --> 01:05:35,400Yeah, but that's pretty muchexactly because you have, like102501:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,970what John said a while ago,that, you know, the the apps102601:05:38,970 --> 01:05:43,410don't peep. People act like theapps don't want to give any data102701:05:43,410 --> 01:05:46,440away. And that's not the case,like, like he mentioned, Marco102801:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,310gives this away in the useragent. But that's the so it's102901:05:50,310 --> 01:05:53,430not like it's some, I don't everwant to give you my data. It's103001:05:53,430 --> 01:05:56,760not like that really is justthat there's no, there's no103101:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,920decent way to do it in a privateway. That's not gross, and or103201:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,240weird. And so if there's thisevents tag, here's, here's what103301:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,750I'm really saying. I want toimmediate, I want to immediately103401:06:09,750 --> 01:06:13,050take the events tag andbastardize it beyond all belief,103501:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,520to where it is to where I wantto know, I want to have an open103601:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,030endpoint to where people canjust send me data without ever103701:06:21,030 --> 01:06:22,620even being in a feed. Like,well,103801:06:22,620 --> 01:06:26,700that's Oh, without this feed,either. Yeah. But then make a103901:06:26,700 --> 01:06:30,510decision. Yeah, but you Yeah, Idon't know, to me, I'm still all104001:06:30,510 --> 01:06:33,540about the podcaster should be incontrol of that, like where the104101:06:33,570 --> 01:06:36,030their stats are going. But Icould, I can see this is not104201:06:36,030 --> 01:06:37,260stuff that might be useful.104301:06:37,710 --> 01:06:40,500This is not stats, though, John,like this would be here's,104401:06:40,710 --> 01:06:46,050here's what I'm totally goingoff the rails. The, here's what104501:06:46,050 --> 01:06:54,720I want, I want and I wantBuzzsprout. To periodically, I104601:06:54,720 --> 01:07:01,860want them to somehow publish orsend out a list of all the shows104701:07:01,860 --> 01:07:06,690on their system that arecurrently popular. And I want104801:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,250overcast to do the same thing.And I want pod verse to do the104901:07:11,250 --> 01:07:14,550same thing. And I want rss.comto do same thing, but in blue,105001:07:14,550 --> 01:07:20,640but I want everybody to somehowpublish or send around lists of105101:07:20,670 --> 01:07:24,270all of the shows that arepopular on their own systems.105201:07:24,420 --> 01:07:27,450And this is not privacy in anyway. This is just purely just a105301:07:27,450 --> 01:07:33,180list of popular podcast. Thatway, we all have a real ranking105401:07:33,180 --> 01:07:36,870system to say, not ranking inthe gross sense where you're105501:07:36,870 --> 01:07:39,030like, you know, this one'sbetter than this other one, but105601:07:39,030 --> 01:07:43,530like actual usage, where it'slike, okay, on for my stats105701:07:43,530 --> 01:07:49,620within rss.com, the these 500shows were the ones that ranked105801:07:49,650 --> 01:07:54,360top to bottom by most downloads.That way, we can amalgamate that105901:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,070data into one big ranking listthat everybody can share. And we106001:07:59,070 --> 01:08:03,450don't keep having to go back toApple and Spotify in scraping106101:08:03,450 --> 01:08:08,370their data. And to try to findout what shows are actually106201:08:08,370 --> 01:08:10,560getting any listening at all.106301:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,670I you're talking to someone thatloves lists. So like I love you106401:08:14,670 --> 01:08:18,060know, Letterman top 10 I've beenI'd actually do a ton of lists,106501:08:18,090 --> 01:08:21,060you know, the stupid Livewirethings? That's, that's a list106601:08:21,060 --> 01:08:24,510right of the top. I love lists.So I probably love lists more106701:08:24,510 --> 01:08:28,920than you do. But I don't see tome the ranking, like having some106801:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,690massive ranking list across allpodcast is sort of uncompelled.106901:08:33,690 --> 01:08:38,280To me, I'm not sure who thatwould be for, I'm not sure that107001:08:38,310 --> 01:08:41,460that would be podcasters wouldlove that maybe the ones that107101:08:41,850 --> 01:08:44,460are rising in the list wouldlove it for a few days until107201:08:44,460 --> 01:08:47,880they start falling. But I don'tsee that as being like a target107301:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,330that would get people excitedabout hitting right, except for,107401:08:51,330 --> 01:08:55,440you know, extreme data nerds.Like I think like Adam was107501:08:55,440 --> 01:08:58,200saying it's more of a relativething, right? It's like, here's107601:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,220what I had yesterday. And here'swhat I have today. And if you107701:09:02,220 --> 01:09:05,520can get that from a variety ofplayers, and the way we do that,107801:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,430and the open world is toestablish a protocol for doing107901:09:08,430 --> 01:09:11,790that. I think then you have abaseline in among yourself or108001:09:11,790 --> 01:09:12,750your own little group108101:09:12,780 --> 01:09:16,770ultimately from from it from adata analytics perspective, the108201:09:16,770 --> 01:09:21,960only thing that messes it all upis this incessant necessity and108301:09:21,990 --> 01:09:26,820obsession to equate downloadwith a person and a listen,108401:09:26,850 --> 01:09:30,150that's the problem. Otherwise,all this stuff is working pretty108501:09:30,150 --> 01:09:34,710well. You know, it's like I'm,I'm looking at all kinds of108601:09:34,710 --> 01:09:37,170different stats. And as long asI don't care about the actual108701:09:37,170 --> 01:09:39,720number, and try to think that'show many people are listening,108801:09:39,720 --> 01:09:44,730which is the entire fallacy,because there's 10,000 podcasts108901:09:44,730 --> 01:09:50,340now using value for value. Youknow, and using those apps. It's109001:09:50,340 --> 01:09:54,990a very successful 10,000 appgroup success is there is109101:09:55,050 --> 01:09:59,640there's no necessity for thosecommunities. For it to be any109201:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,760bigger They're already seeing amix. Yeah, they're satisfying109301:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,290what they need to satisfy.109401:10:04,350 --> 01:10:07,590And you see graphs like that'sreally what will grill will give109501:10:07,590 --> 01:10:10,260you value is like, you seewhether that trend line is going109601:10:10,260 --> 01:10:12,960up or like, hey, they're droppedoff at this point. And that's,109701:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,410that's something that Opie threeor these other systems can do109801:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,470for each individual podcaster.But I don't see it as like a109901:10:19,470 --> 01:10:24,240huge goal to like, do that forthe entire podcast world. I'm110001:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,560not sure who that would benefit.110101:10:25,830 --> 01:10:29,820What What I will say just justbecause I look at different110201:10:29,820 --> 01:10:34,860podcasts, and this is in the, inthe lb stat system, or in110301:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,870contracts, very interesting tosee that on podcasting 2.0, we110401:10:39,870 --> 01:10:44,610make much more, we have muchmore income on boosts compared110501:10:44,610 --> 01:10:48,990to streaming amounts. On noagenda. It's the inverse, we110601:10:48,990 --> 01:10:54,300have more income from streamingsites than from boosts. And the110701:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,140end, the most beautiful thing ison no agenda, where we don't110801:10:58,140 --> 01:11:02,190have booster grams integratedyet into the content, you see a110901:11:02,190 --> 01:11:07,290drop off in both donationsegments, podcasting 2.0 During111001:11:07,290 --> 01:11:12,060the donation segment, our incomeactually goes up. Which is also111101:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,210partially because we're doing itlive. And it's being solicited.111201:11:17,100 --> 01:11:20,670This, as long as we don't haveto worry about how many people111301:11:20,670 --> 01:11:23,760it is. And now I would love tohave some I mean, I'd love to111401:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,790have all kinds of op three datain there. I'm just saying as a111501:11:26,790 --> 01:11:34,470podcaster. Yeah, I'm differentbecause I'm not using inserted111601:11:34,470 --> 01:11:38,610advertising. I mean, I have moredata and excitement in front of111701:11:38,610 --> 01:11:40,380me than I've ever seen.111801:11:41,460 --> 01:11:44,340Yeah, exactly. But you saw theOP through and I love the fact111901:11:44,340 --> 01:11:47,400that your shows are on op threeright now. Because it's a great112001:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,210like way to see the just howmany different apps people112101:11:51,210 --> 01:11:54,480listen to your show on? Yeah,very, very interesting. Totally.112201:11:54,930 --> 01:11:56,610Ton of Pocket Casts, right. I112301:11:56,670 --> 01:11:59,550like number three on the list orsomething. Yeah, phrase Yeah,112401:11:59,550 --> 01:12:00,750phrase Exactly. And112501:12:00,750 --> 01:12:03,540I'll you know, as I'm workingthrough the three, I like, I'll112601:12:03,540 --> 01:12:07,350give you a nice way to look atthat later. But you would love I112701:12:07,350 --> 01:12:09,870think I don't wanna put words inyour mouth. I think as a112801:12:09,870 --> 01:12:13,380podcaster, you would love to seethe same sort of just112901:12:13,380 --> 01:12:16,110generalized, like, here's wherethey trailed off. Like, here's113001:12:16,140 --> 01:12:18,780how many listens from PocketCasts, right? If they had a way113101:12:18,780 --> 01:12:21,120to give that to you, and thenyou don't have to use that for113201:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,390any decision making other thanwhat you're using it for now,113301:12:24,390 --> 01:12:28,650right? Which is kind of to giveyou a sense of like, okay, like113401:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,740my listeners on these types ofapps. Well, here's what I'm113501:12:31,740 --> 01:12:34,080gonna get a certain wave, but Iactually have more info now.113601:12:34,110 --> 01:12:37,110Here's what I'm gonna do. CuzThank you. I just wrote a note113701:12:37,110 --> 01:12:38,850to myself a programming note.113801:12:40,410 --> 01:12:41,160Learn rust.113901:12:44,220 --> 01:12:51,120snappy? No, actually, I'm goingto talk about I'm going to tell114001:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,680all the Pocket Cast listeners togo go over there and kindly114101:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,070request some podcasting 2.0features from their open source114201:12:59,070 --> 01:12:59,430app.114301:13:00,570 --> 01:13:02,100Why no congratulations, by114401:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,370the way. Yeah, you guys andcongratulations on getting114501:13:05,460 --> 01:13:08,670getting that was a quick mergeto that didn't take long.114601:13:09,299 --> 01:13:11,429What is this? I don't know. Whatare we talking about?114701:13:12,900 --> 01:13:17,010Real trivia, but there's a newon Apple platforms. There's a114801:13:17,010 --> 01:13:22,350new official way to send down.Oh, yes, yes, yeah. So I just114901:13:22,350 --> 01:13:24,840had I had this lightbulb momentthat went off the other morning.115001:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,990I'm like, Oh, I could just makethe change in the115101:13:31,290 --> 01:13:32,820car. They merged your car115201:13:32,820 --> 01:13:36,090commercial. So it'll go out inthe end of November? I think so115301:13:36,150 --> 01:13:39,570I think they're the first onesto use it. Because Apple podcast115401:13:39,570 --> 01:13:44,430still doesn't even use it. SoI'm free to do you know, free115501:13:44,430 --> 01:13:45,360development work.115601:13:46,770 --> 01:13:49,740After all, he is he is semiretired from the corporate115701:13:49,740 --> 01:13:52,080research fully retired from thecorporate life.115801:13:52,830 --> 01:13:56,040But it is, it is a good exampleto show now too, because their115901:13:56,070 --> 01:13:59,100their codebase is actuallyreally good. And it's a good116001:13:59,100 --> 01:14:03,450example. So as in last in lesspeople, some people learn via116101:14:03,450 --> 01:14:06,600blog posts or documentation, butsometimes it's just easy to say,116201:14:06,990 --> 01:14:09,330look at this file, look whatthey do here. It's not that, you116301:14:09,330 --> 01:14:12,240know, it's not that much work.So I thought that was really116401:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,760cool them to go ahead and mergeit116501:14:15,090 --> 01:14:17,880to Hell yeah, I didn't evenrealize this. That's fantastic.116601:14:17,880 --> 01:14:18,780So we need more.116701:14:19,500 --> 01:14:21,660Yeah, it's nice to see thatthey're living the that they're116801:14:21,660 --> 01:14:24,510like living the open sourcelifestyle, instead of just116901:14:24,510 --> 01:14:27,420saying, Oh, here's the code andnever really interacting with117001:14:27,420 --> 01:14:30,450it. They actually, they'reactually being stewards. You117101:14:30,450 --> 01:14:31,590know, that's good to see.117201:14:31,650 --> 01:14:34,020That's really good. Anything ispure client side from the117301:14:34,020 --> 01:14:37,980podcast namespace tags. Thatwould be a good like, first PR117401:14:37,980 --> 01:14:41,280for for that project. Becausethey Oh, they only open really117501:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,820the client side. Right. Soanything that requires any sort117601:14:44,820 --> 01:14:49,050of server interaction is goingto be more difficult, but things117701:14:49,050 --> 01:14:50,280like chapters even117801:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,310there's, like fun, like thefunding tag did yeah. Stuff like117901:14:56,310 --> 01:14:57,780that. That's just you I work youknow.118001:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,630Exactly, exactly. So yeah,that's I thought that was118101:15:00,630 --> 01:15:01,470really, really cool.118201:15:01,830 --> 01:15:05,490Did you look around in? Ihaven't looked at the code base118301:15:05,490 --> 01:15:09,210at all? Did you look aroundenough to see whether or not? Is118401:15:09,210 --> 01:15:14,490it a pure client side downloadand download and parse style118501:15:14,490 --> 01:15:19,140system? Or is it getting yourfeed info from or the feeds118601:15:19,140 --> 01:15:22,890being parsed? And then all thebroken apart feed elements118701:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,560handed back to the app throughtheir server side?118801:15:26,070 --> 01:15:28,470Well, as we established, I'mlazy. So I did not look through118901:15:28,470 --> 01:15:30,420the entire No, but119001:15:32,910 --> 01:15:36,210that means this is a bad this isa lazy battle, because I was119101:15:36,210 --> 01:15:38,670hoping you would tell me so Idon't have to go look myself.119201:15:38,910 --> 01:15:43,050Yeah, lazy understands lazyhere. Yes, yes, I do know,119301:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,720having gone back and forth withsomeone else working through a119401:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,100podcast and Pocket Casts issue.I do, it does look like most of119501:15:50,100 --> 01:15:53,610their stuff is server side. Soeven if you put in a custom URL,119601:15:54,150 --> 01:15:57,300there, their backend actuallyparses that. So it's not119701:15:57,300 --> 01:16:00,690something that's on the clientside, Apple podcast actually is119801:16:00,690 --> 01:16:03,780old school, they do if you putin a custom URL, like they will119901:16:03,780 --> 01:16:07,590hit it from the client app, evenif their servers blow up. So120001:16:07,590 --> 01:16:10,710then, so that's kind of adifferent model. But yeah, so120101:16:10,710 --> 01:16:14,010anything like chapters, ideally,you probably do want to do that120201:16:14,010 --> 01:16:18,960on a central server, do it once,but I don't know you, there's120301:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,110some things that can be donethere. Or maybe we have an open120401:16:22,110 --> 01:16:25,530source back end for PocketCasts, but just these, it's like120501:16:25,530 --> 01:16:27,510a gradient, right, there's someof these things that we can get120601:16:27,510 --> 01:16:30,060in there that are QuicKutz. Andsome that are going to take a120701:16:30,060 --> 01:16:33,810little longer to, to get inthere. But the fact that Pocket120801:16:33,810 --> 01:16:38,970Casts is still such a big deal.And it's open, that's like120901:16:38,970 --> 01:16:39,720really exciting.121001:16:42,390 --> 01:16:47,550On the on the on the advancedtag, and these really good that121101:16:47,550 --> 01:16:51,780you put in a proof of conceptworking, working back end for121201:16:51,780 --> 01:16:55,980that, because this is very muchthe type of of tag that needs121301:16:55,980 --> 01:17:01,140working code to people can, canwrite against these these sorts121401:17:01,140 --> 01:17:07,440of things that are this is a,this is less of a tag in more of121501:17:07,440 --> 01:17:12,450a I don't know what you wouldcall it like a like a, a121601:17:12,450 --> 01:17:15,840framework for how to do a thing.And whenever you have something121701:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,930that's that conceptual, youreally you really had to put121801:17:18,930 --> 01:17:21,390feet on it, or else everybody'sjust gonna, their eyes are gonna121901:17:21,390 --> 01:17:23,880glaze over, and they're notgoing to do anything exact. So122001:17:23,940 --> 01:17:27,240yeah, I think that's that's theway I mean, just like a piece,122101:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,670right? I mean, you can proposeit all day long. But unless you122201:17:29,670 --> 01:17:32,760have some in it, unless you justbuild it, people are not going122301:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,880to do anything. So I thinkthat's definitely122401:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,910open for proposals, like if youneed like, if you go through it122501:17:38,940 --> 01:17:42,480as a as the sender or thereceiver. And it's not clear122601:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,820about something or it's like,Hey, I would love something to122701:17:44,820 --> 01:17:47,340test this. Because that's theother thing, you get something122801:17:47,340 --> 01:17:50,040implemented. It's like, Who do Italk to? Because no one speaks122901:17:50,040 --> 01:17:55,110the language yet. I do have I dohave, I think a tester for the123001:17:55,500 --> 01:17:57,960sender side. So if you're anapp, and you want to send123101:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,690something to an endpoint, like Ihave an endpoint that will123201:18:01,050 --> 01:18:05,160validate your, your payload, butI don't think I have a test yet.123301:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,950If you're a server, and you'relooking for just like, What123401:18:07,950 --> 01:18:10,380would app calls look like? So Icould definitely get that in123501:18:10,380 --> 01:18:10,530there123601:18:10,530 --> 01:18:17,280as well. Can I kind of raise myhand? Sure. So here's here's a123701:18:17,280 --> 01:18:22,140successful formula. Thank you.Here's a successful formula is123801:18:22,260 --> 01:18:28,290let's come up with an event. Idon't know how he's feeling he's123901:18:28,290 --> 01:18:31,170been rather quiet. I hope he'sokay. But Stephen B is the kind124001:18:31,170 --> 01:18:38,940of guy who can really quicklywhip up an event to jam into one124101:18:38,940 --> 01:18:42,930of my jam and into the no agendafeed. And let's test it with a124201:18:42,930 --> 01:18:46,080real audience. Because you know,no agenda nation, man, you can124301:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,160get them do anything.124401:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,640But it may not work in dogcatcher though.124501:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,100I'm on your side, J S. I'mtrying to help your ship man's124601:18:56,100 --> 01:18:56,280like,124701:18:57,630 --> 01:19:00,210Hey, this is backwardscompatible with podcast. 1.0.124801:19:00,210 --> 01:19:00,870I'm like, except124901:19:05,340 --> 01:19:08,460that's not 1.0 That's like 0.9So let's just be fair.125001:19:10,230 --> 01:19:12,660I see it a bunch and Opie threeactually, people are still using125101:19:12,660 --> 01:19:12,870it.125201:19:13,139 --> 01:19:18,629Yeah. Oh, you know, it was quitea number of, of people who, who125301:19:18,659 --> 01:19:23,009ultimately wound up switching.So weird, man. It's like, it's125401:19:23,819 --> 01:19:26,639kind of what what's up with thatDev, but it just wasn't quite125501:19:26,909 --> 01:19:28,859wasn't quite gelling. Somehow.He didn't quite,125601:19:29,099 --> 01:19:32,069but I totally agree with you.Anyone that wants to implement125701:19:32,069 --> 01:19:36,359either side? Yeah, let's, let'srun with some scissors here. And125801:19:36,839 --> 01:19:39,149there's nothing there's nothingmore that flushes out like, Oh,125901:19:39,149 --> 01:19:41,909this is actually difficult. Or,you know, this doesn't make126001:19:41,909 --> 01:19:46,379sense. Other than working code,ultimately. And I think once you126101:19:46,379 --> 01:19:48,749have a straw man out there, thenit's like it focuses the126201:19:48,749 --> 01:19:51,809conversation on like, oh, whatwould your this secure all that126301:19:51,809 --> 01:19:54,689kind of stuff. The only thing Iwould mention, Adam is that it's126401:19:54,689 --> 01:19:58,649is a server to server protocol.So whoever sending this info, it126501:19:58,649 --> 01:20:01,949can't be a client app. So it hasto be something where the client126601:20:01,949 --> 01:20:04,679app sends it to it some sort ofserver and the server has to126701:20:04,679 --> 01:20:05,399send it over.126801:20:05,850 --> 01:20:09,570Because it's a trusted server,because you need to survive126901:20:09,570 --> 01:20:11,760it key. Yeah, I think thatshould work in that case. But I127001:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,500just want to say like, whatwould you like? That's the127101:20:13,500 --> 01:20:13,980requirement?127201:20:13,980 --> 01:20:19,530What would your dream first testevent be? Close your eyes. Think127301:20:19,530 --> 01:20:23,340about it. Don't answer rightaway. I want you to dream big is127401:20:23,340 --> 01:20:25,800tapped your heels together threetimes.127501:20:26,130 --> 01:20:30,390I think podcasters would be veryinterested in how many127601:20:30,390 --> 01:20:33,060subscribers do you have on theplatform, like who clicked127701:20:33,060 --> 01:20:36,840follow or whatever the languageis for that app? What that is127801:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,280over time, and then also somesort of way of who's listening?127901:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,490Like how far did they go at anaggregated level on this show?128001:20:45,930 --> 01:20:48,270How many listeners did it get?As opposed to how many128101:20:48,270 --> 01:20:51,660downloads? I think those wouldbe two good first steps. You can128201:20:51,660 --> 01:20:54,150also do ratings this way. Ithink James was interested in128301:20:54,150 --> 01:20:56,670that. I think that's anothercool thing to do as well, that's128401:20:56,670 --> 01:21:00,570more real time. But if it wereme, and it were to pick two, it128501:21:00,570 --> 01:21:05,340would be I guess, boring, but itwould be subscriptions, info and128601:21:05,340 --> 01:21:05,940listens.128701:21:06,180 --> 01:21:10,560Okay, those two things I'm notinterested in, in ratings at128801:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,830all. It's one star or fivestars, PRs, everyone gets three128901:21:13,830 --> 01:21:14,910stars. That's it.129001:21:15,720 --> 01:21:24,780So here's, here's a. Here's alayout. So if I'm, if I'm a129101:21:25,410 --> 01:21:31,860seriously simple podcastingplugin user, and I want to know129201:21:31,860 --> 01:21:37,860how many followers I have, Icould use this. And let's just129301:21:37,860 --> 01:21:42,630say that there's a followersevent. I'm trying to use the129401:21:42,630 --> 01:21:45,390term followers and notsubscribers. There's a followers129501:21:45,390 --> 01:21:53,760event that is opened up on myWordPress instance. And now,129601:21:53,940 --> 01:21:58,380excuse me, there's an inbox URLand event hook on my install on129701:21:58,380 --> 01:22:02,880my WordPress instance. And itgoes into the podcast events tag129801:22:03,300 --> 01:22:06,990within the seriously simplepodcasting plugin. And now I129901:22:06,990 --> 01:22:15,090begin to get a follower countsdelivered to my, to my WordPress130001:22:15,090 --> 01:22:20,190instance, from overcast andcast, ematic, and fountain and130101:22:20,190 --> 01:22:24,330breeze and all these all theseapps. So then, there can be a130201:22:24,330 --> 01:22:29,940dashboard, somewhere within theplugin, this shows me, hey, you130301:22:29,940 --> 01:22:35,220have you know, 400 followers onovercast, you have 300 followers130401:22:35,220 --> 01:22:37,800on this. And these are, theseare not download numbers, these130501:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,640are actual just calculatedsubscriber counts from the apps130601:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,140themselves, these are, these arereal numbers, rather than130701:22:46,140 --> 01:22:47,730exactly decipher,130801:22:47,910 --> 01:22:49,980is enough of a back end thatthey could implement it130901:22:49,980 --> 01:22:54,810themselves. So you know, I planon having op three or some sort131001:22:54,810 --> 01:22:57,240of system that will be a backend that people can just stick131101:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,630it in their feed. And, you know,we'll do all the hard work for131201:23:00,630 --> 01:23:02,790them. If you don't own abackhand, but WordPress, you131301:23:02,790 --> 01:23:06,330could probably make the pluginserve as the as the back end. So131401:23:06,330 --> 01:23:08,610yeah, you're right, they couldcreate a simple little thing131501:23:08,610 --> 01:23:13,080that says, Thank you very much.And here's, you know, an131601:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,720aggregated view of that overtime, for sure. For sure.131701:23:16,950 --> 01:23:20,520Yeah, that would be somethingthat I thought specifically131801:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,450about those two, about powerpress. And seriously simple131901:23:24,450 --> 01:23:28,260because they're two examples ofa of, you know, highly132001:23:28,260 --> 01:23:31,980distributed, turning your owndomain into your own web hosting132101:23:31,980 --> 01:23:36,150company. And that, and theyalready do things like web sub,132201:23:36,150 --> 01:23:40,590and they do, you know, they do alot of a lot of stuff there on132301:23:40,590 --> 01:23:44,730the on the private hostinglevel. So I feel like that is132401:23:44,730 --> 01:23:49,860sort of a good way to, if youvisualize that even they could132501:23:49,860 --> 01:23:54,030do this exact ad to me makes itmake a little, it's like, okay,132601:23:54,030 --> 01:23:58,140this is doable. All the waydown. Yeah, the protocol to132701:23:58,140 --> 01:24:01,140extend down to the level of Icould actually, you know, spend132801:24:01,140 --> 01:24:03,720a weekend on this and do it. Sothat was actually part of the132901:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,260reason for me doing a proof ofconcept. I didn't use any third133001:24:07,260 --> 01:24:10,020party libraries. I'm like, Howsimple would this be to do just133101:24:10,020 --> 01:24:13,710with the primitives of alanguage and it's, it's fairly133201:24:13,710 --> 01:24:17,430easy to do. Hey, here's Now Iwouldn't I'm not planning on133301:24:17,430 --> 01:24:20,910doing the work for WordPress. Sosign up for that, but it is it's133401:24:20,910 --> 01:24:22,020not impossible.133501:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,470I have a weird question aboutpodcast events. Because you133601:24:25,470 --> 01:24:27,570know, it's a very different kindof a technical episodes133701:24:27,570 --> 01:24:33,000interesting. Could I nottechnically, just do a comment133801:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,820through this system, if it'sgoing to an authenticated server133901:24:35,820 --> 01:24:36,510anyway.134001:24:37,710 --> 01:24:41,760You could, you could and infact, I had a meeting with Sam134101:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,680so he is working on a top secretthing that it's basically think134201:24:46,680 --> 01:24:54,960of it like, like podcast meetsGroupon or not Groupon, but um,134301:24:55,740 --> 01:24:56,730swinger party.134401:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,450What was the app that like youbecome the mayor of and that134501:25:00,450 --> 01:25:02,100sort of Kibo.134601:25:03,510 --> 01:25:04,740Are you talking aboutFoursquare?134701:25:05,310 --> 01:25:08,490Foursquare? Yeah. So youenvision, like, Okay, so the134801:25:08,490 --> 01:25:13,440show is the venue. And so I wantto know, as a podcast, or what134901:25:13,440 --> 01:25:17,400are people doing, you know, atat the event, so he would send135001:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,950down like, oh, you know, so soand so like the it's like a135101:25:19,950 --> 01:25:23,550wall. So every every wall event,you know, the old school way of135201:25:23,550 --> 01:25:26,610thinking about along, would besent down. And what's cool about135301:25:26,610 --> 01:25:29,580the events thing is it doesn'thave to be aggregated. So if, if135401:25:29,610 --> 01:25:33,390like something is blowing upright now, this is a real time135501:25:33,390 --> 01:25:35,430protocol, right. So this issomething that could be surfaced135601:25:35,430 --> 01:25:39,240like right away, and you get aping, or, or as soon as you get135701:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,850featured on a particularplatform, they can send you a135801:25:41,850 --> 01:25:44,730thing, and you would you couldknow instantly. So that's the135901:25:44,730 --> 01:25:47,460other thing I'm really excitedabout is it does support136001:25:47,970 --> 01:25:50,190aggregated events, which isprobably what you'd want to do136101:25:50,190 --> 01:25:54,090for listings, right? A huge applike Apple podcasts is not going136201:25:54,090 --> 01:25:56,580to send real time listened toand nor would we want them to136301:25:56,580 --> 01:26:00,870write because that's, that wouldbreak the privacy thing. But for136401:26:00,870 --> 01:26:02,790things like real time, like,hey, there's something wrong136501:26:02,790 --> 01:26:05,520with your feed, you actually dowant to know that fairly136601:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,220quickly. So it does support bothmodels.136701:26:08,670 --> 01:26:12,120So somebody like somebody likepod chaser could send back an136801:26:12,120 --> 01:26:19,950event to transistor, saying thatthis podcast on your platform,136901:26:20,160 --> 01:26:26,280just this podcast, that somebodyon pod chaser just just rated137001:26:26,460 --> 01:26:31,830this show, which is on yourwhich you're the hosting company137101:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,890for don't say, four stars,137201:26:34,950 --> 01:26:37,950don't say this is what I hate,because you know, what's next, I137301:26:37,950 --> 01:26:42,870can already see the proposal.Label is not safe for work,137401:26:42,990 --> 01:26:49,470label, racist, labeled as antitrans label as anti climate137501:26:49,470 --> 01:26:50,280change.137601:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,120It's tricky. Yeah. And that'sactually a lot of what we talked137701:26:54,120 --> 01:26:58,170about with Sam is, you know whatto user than in that mode,137801:26:58,170 --> 01:27:00,930because like, every user isdifferent every platform. So it137901:27:00,930 --> 01:27:05,220does, and it does tend to looklike activity pub, or I don't138001:27:05,220 --> 01:27:07,260know if it had Dave, have youlooked at the new blue sky138101:27:07,260 --> 01:27:12,510stuff, they've actually startedto publish some actual code. And138201:27:12,510 --> 01:27:15,810it looks really interesting,honestly. So I think it's still138301:27:15,810 --> 01:27:19,800early days, like this big to dois like to do authentication.138401:27:20,490 --> 01:27:22,830But I could see that protocol,especially now with Twitter138501:27:22,830 --> 01:27:27,030blowing up becoming something alot of people are working on. So138601:27:27,270 --> 01:27:29,730either way, as long as there'ssome distributive way of saying138701:27:29,730 --> 01:27:34,020like, This is who a user is onthis platform. I think we keep138801:27:34,020 --> 01:27:36,570it pretty semi structured, andjust say, here are all the138901:27:36,570 --> 01:27:39,510things this app sends. And hereare all the things this app says139001:27:39,510 --> 01:27:40,800and I think that can be usefulto.139101:27:42,480 --> 01:27:46,230Man, it must be fro sofrustrating to sit at Apple as139201:27:46,230 --> 01:27:50,310an engineer. And think, Man, Ican't I can't implement any of139301:27:50,310 --> 01:27:55,860this. Apple won't let me do it.139401:27:56,100 --> 01:28:00,750Why did they get to have all thefun on this show? We got a we139501:28:00,750 --> 01:28:04,920have we make a billion dollars aday? Why can't we do this fun139601:28:04,920 --> 01:28:05,190stuff.139701:28:05,730 --> 01:28:08,100Speaking of billions of dollarsa day, shall we thank a few139801:28:08,100 --> 01:28:11,880people. As we go to a buck and ahalf on today's show. I think we139901:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,210should have a board meeting. Sothese have come in during our140001:28:15,210 --> 01:28:19,650live show we are live. This hasvalue for value. So everything140101:28:19,650 --> 01:28:23,520you're hearing is all kind ofsupported financially, all the140201:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,330systems that are on the podcastindex side, as well as what we140301:28:27,330 --> 01:28:29,940talked about earlier with a nodewith liquidity for anyone who140401:28:29,940 --> 01:28:34,320needs to pass payments cheaplyback and forth, is provided by140501:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,650you. So if there's if you getvalue out of this in any way,140601:28:37,890 --> 01:28:41,730feel free to go to podcastindex.org You can still send us140701:28:41,760 --> 01:28:47,400a Fiat fun coupons throughPayPal. Or if you don't have a140801:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,310boost button on your app. You'reusing an old one. You need to140901:28:50,310 --> 01:28:54,480get a new one at nude podcastapps.com And go ahead and boost141001:28:54,480 --> 01:28:59,880this boomy. 50,000 SATs. He saysHappy Friday high five. Of141101:28:59,880 --> 01:29:03,210course, it's a Friday eveningover there in Deutschland. So141201:29:03,210 --> 01:29:08,130thank you very much. Oost Thankyou Bumi a Steven B is alive. I141301:29:08,130 --> 01:29:11,160have proof he didn't he didn'tboost us but I saw 100 SATs must141401:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,130be a test on the no agendaepisode so I'm thinking he's141501:29:14,130 --> 01:29:16,560alive. So that's good news. Ihaven't seen him on the in the141601:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,530chat room today. I'm concernedman. He was in the hospital.141701:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,180The hippie Okay, Steven Yeah.Blueberries just just send up a141801:29:24,180 --> 01:29:27,630red flag every now and then letus know your blueberry is141901:29:27,660 --> 01:29:33,480getting in on the promotionangle. 17,776 a big fan of142001:29:33,510 --> 01:29:38,370Patriot boost. This Sunday seesthe culmination of 30.3 hours of142101:29:38,370 --> 01:29:43,740pure uncut high octanedouchebaggery 72 contestants in142201:29:43,740 --> 01:29:47,100total now the eight winners gotoe to toe it's battle of the142301:29:47,100 --> 01:29:51,090douchebags nine I would love tointroduce boosts. How would142401:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,510y'all work in booths forbracketed style matches?142501:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,610Toe Lord does that mean that youknow the tournament that's the142601:29:59,610 --> 01:29:59,970douchebag142701:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,390No I'm seeing how do you work init's the bracketed style matches142801:30:03,390 --> 01:30:03,780that I don't142901:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,140know that the bright you knowbracket is style like you143001:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,610this one because are theyalready using boosts for this?143101:30:12,660 --> 01:30:16,080I don't know. I haven't listenedto the show. Do I know of the143201:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,010show but I haven't listened to143301:30:17,100 --> 01:30:22,500well, we got a little work onthat. Eric p p a big row of143401:30:22,500 --> 01:30:27,570ducks. 22,222 Thank you verymuch, Eric. No other notes. Mike143501:30:27,570 --> 01:30:33,540Newman 54,333. SAS greetingsboardroom. He says no jingles no143601:30:33,540 --> 01:30:36,750karma. Just a boost. We got thatfor you and we'll give you a143701:30:37,080 --> 01:30:43,320boost boost than we had. Let mesee tone wrecker trying to143801:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,170orange so many of my artistsslash creator friends as well.143901:30:46,170 --> 01:30:48,480The struggle is real. Yes, Ihear you.144001:30:48,930 --> 01:30:52,200Yeah, Tameka is doing the work.He's doing his own music and144101:30:52,230 --> 01:30:55,260it'll really be in the bushesabout me. Yeah, about V for V144201:30:55,260 --> 01:30:55,920music. Yep.144301:30:56,010 --> 01:31:01,650Nice. Nice. Alright, we'rerelaxed male 22,222 finally144401:31:01,650 --> 01:31:04,230hitting a live show y'all sounda bit stone because I normally144501:31:04,230 --> 01:31:08,970listen to 1.5 Speed gopodcasting? Yes, here we go. Go144601:31:10,410 --> 01:31:13,890stir Yeah, you need to stop theone and a half speed is not good144701:31:13,890 --> 01:31:14,400for your brain.144801:31:14,430 --> 01:31:21,300Do you jog past the Mona Lisayou heathen servo 3333 boosting144901:31:21,300 --> 01:31:26,010from crontab Thank you very muchDave oh he were wearing no145001:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,000that's it. I think we got himall those the pre boosts that we145101:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,310had thank you all very much.That's people who are also145201:31:32,310 --> 01:31:38,160sitting in the chat room whichyou can be alerted to with POD145301:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,450verse that the live stream islive and curio caster you can145401:31:43,080 --> 01:31:49,110hit the live chat and the streamsimultaneously. It's all it's145501:31:49,110 --> 01:31:52,050all part of the next phase and Istill haven't got I still145601:31:52,050 --> 01:31:56,730haven't gotten the live pod pingfrom Todd Cochran so I wish said145701:31:56,730 --> 01:31:59,940about this and then I'm sure heis as well.145801:32:00,570 --> 01:32:04,290Yeah, I feel like we havethere's something that's just145901:32:04,290 --> 01:32:07,800not working with sovereign fadesdashboard for him. We're gonna146001:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,760have to set up the I'm gonnahave to make an something for146101:32:11,760 --> 01:32:16,530you. Like you know, I mean, likenot for you like something like146201:32:16,650 --> 01:32:19,590the one you use like, like thehook we need to get me to give146301:32:19,590 --> 01:32:23,190him a hook where he can get onthis train. Working as fast as I146401:32:23,190 --> 01:32:27,210can to get the podcast podpaying cloud live functionality146501:32:27,210 --> 01:32:31,170going. We're getting there. I'mgetting getting closer.146601:32:31,470 --> 01:32:34,740Actually. You know, why don't Itake one quick look new media146701:32:34,740 --> 01:32:39,840show why don't just take a lookreal quick at his cars you know,146801:32:39,840 --> 01:32:45,720in in sovereign feeds, I can popright in into here, I can bring146901:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,350his feet up. So is this purely apod ping issue he's having I147001:32:49,350 --> 01:32:50,970guess then I think147101:32:50,970 --> 01:32:55,800something with Steven B's pod. Ithink it's something with his147201:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,480pod ping writer is not workingright. It's not sending out the147301:33:00,480 --> 01:33:05,310live reason code or something isjust not whenever whenever Todd147401:33:05,310 --> 01:33:08,400hits it, there's just nothing,nothing happens. It doesn't emit147501:33:08,730 --> 01:33:09,450a pod being147601:33:09,510 --> 01:33:16,380because I use the same. The samesystem with a manual manual pod147701:33:16,380 --> 01:33:21,060ping page for no agenda and itworks. Just weird. Something's147801:33:21,060 --> 01:33:21,450weird.147901:33:21,480 --> 01:33:25,320Something's not right. Yeah, Idon't understand it. It must.148001:33:25,350 --> 01:33:30,660Well, if it's working for you,then it's not. Oh, oh, wait,148101:33:30,660 --> 01:33:33,870wait, wait, wait. I'm sendingthe pod paying for no agenda.148201:33:34,140 --> 01:33:35,910Not not sovereign fee,148301:33:35,970 --> 01:33:38,520since we're gonna use sendingthe pod ping for no agenda.148401:33:38,790 --> 01:33:39,600Because you have148501:33:39,630 --> 01:33:45,990us You have my web hook set asyour as your web hook URL.148601:33:46,020 --> 01:33:49,320You but I never used thatbecause I can't the RSS feed is148701:33:49,320 --> 01:33:50,040not there.148801:33:51,300 --> 01:33:55,440So I'm sorry. Oh, you're notyou're not hitting that button148901:33:55,440 --> 01:33:55,890here. You149001:33:55,950 --> 01:33:59,820know, I was waiting for you totell me it was working. Did you149101:34:00,090 --> 01:34:04,050set that up with Mark so I canpublish this? So wasn't working.149201:34:05,190 --> 01:34:06,150I'm not doing it.149301:34:07,650 --> 01:34:10,110This is an indication that thereare way too many moving parts149401:34:10,110 --> 01:34:13,950within this system. And no ideawhat yeah,149501:34:13,980 --> 01:34:16,230you could just be tied toofficial button pusher. So149601:34:16,890 --> 01:34:19,830stream and URL in there.149701:34:20,160 --> 01:34:24,390All I do, man. I just pushbuttons. It's all but next149801:34:24,390 --> 01:34:26,400to me when you need a lot oftime. Yeah, and149901:34:26,400 --> 01:34:34,110Todd Todd. Also just get on Albyman. I know you want or send a150001:34:34,110 --> 01:34:37,200majority of the split to Alabamaso you can get some when you see150101:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,710the stats from Albie, you'regonna you're gonna melt150201:34:43,860 --> 01:34:47,850as Oscar said, as he mentionedwhether or not like if he's150301:34:47,850 --> 01:34:50,670getting close to doing the livenotifications with fountain.150401:34:51,059 --> 01:34:54,389Interesting you asked that Iasked him this specifically and150501:34:54,389 --> 01:34:59,009he said yes, they were finishingup the player code and we have a150601:34:59,009 --> 01:35:01,559chat scheduled for Monday, so150701:35:02,160 --> 01:35:06,330Oh, cool, sweet. That's a bigbenefit for them because there's150801:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,270there's a lot of those value forvalue shows. Oh, yeah.150901:35:09,480 --> 01:35:13,110I said, Hey, man, are youworking on lit? So? I know man151001:35:13,110 --> 01:35:15,570when whenever a guy like askedus Hey, do you have time to151101:35:15,570 --> 01:35:19,080talk? Oh my gosh, it'ssomething's wrong. run out of151201:35:19,080 --> 01:35:24,990money as he's going on. I'm justhoping for the best now. But I151301:35:24,990 --> 01:35:28,950asked him specifically I do havelit on the on the roadmap. So151401:35:28,950 --> 01:35:33,060yeah, it's on the way this week.It's a lot of work man doing an151501:35:33,060 --> 01:35:36,240app it's a heck of a lot of workto create it.151601:35:36,660 --> 01:35:43,560And Oscar moves fast he he's putstuff in so fast. Yeah. You want151701:35:43,560 --> 01:35:47,490to do some pay pals? Yeah, Ithink we should. We got a we've151801:35:47,490 --> 01:35:51,450got one. Pay Pal this week.151901:35:51,629 --> 01:35:53,999We have really transitioned,haven't we?152001:35:55,590 --> 01:36:00,720But this is a big one. Okay.It's from our buddies. John, And152101:36:03,060 --> 01:36:10,050gosh, I'm drawn to blank. JohnBuddha and over transistor.152201:36:11,310 --> 01:36:12,780What? Why can I not remember?152301:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,830You asking me I don't know anyname is Justin Jackson. Justin.152401:36:16,860 --> 01:36:19,830There you go. John and Justin.Yes, John. And Justin.152501:36:19,830 --> 01:36:23,640I just totally drew blank. Thankyou, John. Transit they sent us152601:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,350$500 And I forgot his name.152701:36:25,380 --> 01:36:26,100Oh.152801:36:27,810 --> 01:36:30,540Nice blades. Only him Paula.152901:36:33,570 --> 01:36:37,290Night. Thank you so much. Theyhave they don't think they've153001:36:37,410 --> 01:36:39,660they've supported us this waybefore have they?153101:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,300Yeah, not that I know. I thinkthis is their first donation.153201:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,320Yeah. And so John and JohnBuddha and Justin Jackson. And153301:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,500he says, John and I are big fansof what you're doing. Thanks so153401:36:49,500 --> 01:36:50,790much for everything you do.153501:36:51,179 --> 01:36:54,869Thank you. Thank you so much. Ilove how the hosting community153601:36:54,869 --> 01:36:58,949and I will call them acommunity. They get it? Yeah,153701:36:59,129 --> 01:37:02,279yeah, by the way, most of theBitcoin people they don't get153801:37:02,279 --> 01:37:02,489it.153901:37:03,210 --> 01:37:05,010Don't ever send us anything.154001:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,180I never see a Bitcoin Maxysaying, hey, you know what,154101:37:09,180 --> 01:37:11,790let's support these guys overhere. Let's send the medicine of154201:37:11,790 --> 01:37:18,780some some boosts never. Yeah,no, no, no, no. Yes. complain.154301:37:19,260 --> 01:37:23,130Thank you, Justin. And yeah,Justin was real. What prompted154401:37:23,130 --> 01:37:26,070that donation was the TX T tagbecause they're really good.154501:37:26,670 --> 01:37:29,370Mover on that. They jumped onit. They've already got it in154601:37:29,370 --> 01:37:33,240their UI as far as I can. Likehe's posted. Dynamite. Oh, cool.154701:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,450Yeah, yeah. Yeah, appreciatethose guys a lot. Thank you,154801:37:36,450 --> 01:37:41,550Justin. And we've got Dells, itdoes pay pal so it gets boosts154901:37:41,580 --> 01:37:46,350what a transition how we wentfrom 100% Pay Pal to like one155001:37:46,800 --> 01:37:53,970one. Roi scheinfeld 54321155101:37:54,420 --> 01:37:57,990ROI always they're always therefor us.155201:37:59,010 --> 01:38:02,280From the breeze app sitting inthe tub with milk and rose155301:38:02,280 --> 01:38:02,790petals.155401:38:03,660 --> 01:38:07,500And honey in honey milk and rosepetals and Honey Do you think he155501:38:07,500 --> 01:38:12,810has like little nymphs aroundhim? You know just at his at his155601:38:12,840 --> 01:38:18,810every beck and call just floataround little pixies155701:38:19,170 --> 01:38:21,060they missed lavender in the air155801:38:25,230 --> 01:38:29,220Your Highness Your Highnessmissed some lavender for you,155901:38:29,549 --> 01:38:36,059sir scheinfeld Mike my Newmanagain we just mentioned my name156001:38:36,059 --> 01:38:39,839that back again. 2112 Rush boostthrough pod verse. Nice. Thank156101:38:39,839 --> 01:38:43,079you my he says How about usingsome of the some of these156201:38:43,079 --> 01:38:48,059proposals together like remoteitem and events? Producer A is156301:38:48,059 --> 01:38:51,719the playlist DJ with a remoteitem pointing to one of the156401:38:52,139 --> 01:38:57,239producer B's items. Yes finallyAdam got it. Events can link156501:38:57,269 --> 01:39:01,289these things B can always checkAES feed to check that the156601:39:01,289 --> 01:39:07,079remote item registered to A by Ato B is there still are still156701:39:07,079 --> 01:39:10,859there ah payload payload ofevent could provide the links156801:39:11,039 --> 01:39:13,829these tags proposals makebeautiful music together team156901:39:13,829 --> 01:39:14,639repo Mike.157001:39:15,030 --> 01:39:19,560Hey, that's interesting. So youcould have an event that is a157101:39:19,560 --> 01:39:27,750dynamically generated remoteItem No, I'm saying157201:39:28,860 --> 01:39:34,800that dynamic. No. So an eventcould dynamically generated157301:39:34,800 --> 01:39:35,190which would157401:39:35,190 --> 01:39:41,880mean that the the remote item isnot predetermined? Yeah, I don't157501:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,120know. I don't know. I think Ineed to smoke more drugs.157601:39:45,150 --> 01:39:46,470Yeah, my coffee is wearing off.157701:39:48,210 --> 01:39:51,360Let's just keep moving onsometimes. That was a crash and157801:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,110burn sorry.157901:39:55,740 --> 01:40:00,900Okay. James Crillon 1001 SATsthrough fountain He says remote158001:40:00,900 --> 01:40:05,580item, agree that I would not useit for an episode drop. But158101:40:05,580 --> 01:40:08,280perhaps I could produce a newpodcast trailers feed wholly158201:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,700using remote items. Again, Ican't make them consistent. But158301:40:11,700 --> 01:40:14,760I reckon I can do that perhaps.And I think he did, as he must158401:40:14,760 --> 01:40:15,720have done just that he did158501:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,830just that. And I heard him kindof walking through that158601:40:19,830 --> 01:40:22,890particular tag. And I just wantto say, again, it was designed158701:40:22,890 --> 01:40:25,980with music in mind, let's behonest about it's not like a158801:40:25,980 --> 01:40:29,460completely intuitive thing forall podcasters.158901:40:29,970 --> 01:40:32,070Oh, one thing I want to sayabout that, because I heard him159001:40:32,070 --> 01:40:34,110describing it, he was like,Well, I think most of the time,159101:40:34,110 --> 01:40:35,820you just want to put theenclosure in there and be done159201:40:35,820 --> 01:40:42,120with it. That's it. I think hemay be missing the bigger point159301:40:42,120 --> 01:40:47,550here, which is you with a remoteitem, you link to the entire159401:40:47,550 --> 01:40:51,030item, which means that you, youall you get the benefit of the159501:40:51,030 --> 01:40:54,510absorbing all of its proper allthe data, all the metadata.159601:40:54,780 --> 01:40:58,680Yeah, the value blocks, thesound bytes, the all that stuff,159701:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,370like you pull the chapters, thetranscript, all that stuff comes159801:41:02,370 --> 01:41:06,570with it, when you link to it.And you can still add your own159901:41:06,570 --> 01:41:11,730stuff to it, but you also absorbit's like recursion. It's like160001:41:11,730 --> 01:41:12,660sub classing.160101:41:12,900 --> 01:41:14,820Yeah, right. Right. Right. So160201:41:14,850 --> 01:41:17,580you know, you're just you'relike extending a class, almost,160301:41:17,580 --> 01:41:20,280you're absorbing its properties.And you can add more properties.160401:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,190But again, the practical usecase and I've never understood160501:41:23,190 --> 01:41:26,910fee drops and takeovers and allthat. It's like no, use my feet160601:41:26,910 --> 01:41:28,800is mine. I'm not puttinganything else there. But in the160701:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,660context of music and makingplaylists, using the index and160801:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,890the namespace, infrastructureand architecture. That is really160901:41:37,890 --> 01:41:38,820where it's going to shine.161001:41:40,020 --> 01:41:44,910Mere Mortals podcast 11 111.They found and it says, this bar161101:41:44,910 --> 01:41:48,150buddy car and he says thisremote item talk sounds like it161201:41:48,150 --> 01:41:51,450would work well with clips thatyou guys play. So not only is it161301:41:51,450 --> 01:41:54,270applicable to music playlists,but also referencing other161401:41:54,270 --> 01:41:55,050podcasts.161501:41:55,140 --> 01:41:59,310Yeah. He went exactly theopposite of the other one. Yeah,161601:41:59,370 --> 01:42:01,680I love it. Nice.161701:42:02,730 --> 01:42:07,740Let's see Jay Cole McCormick.3333. Through fountain epi says161801:42:07,740 --> 01:42:11,190in need of jobs karma. I quit myjob at the Weed Shop because161901:42:11,190 --> 01:42:14,070they were stealing 15% of mytips and giving it to managers.162001:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,890I'm confident the future isawesome. If I lean into value162101:42:16,890 --> 01:42:18,840for value and double down onpodcasting,162201:42:18,900 --> 01:42:24,060jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs, let'svote for jobs.162301:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,220You've got karma wrong show butokay.162401:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,670Okay, James Crillon back again1001 sets the fountain Hey, man,162501:42:35,670 --> 01:42:41,400what is this? 1001 It's like heknows the cut off is 1000 It was162601:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,280just doing the extra like just awhile. Give these boys little162701:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,880extra. Take a sad boys162801:42:47,910 --> 01:42:51,780whooshed just peeking over thewall. Right early picking162901:42:51,780 --> 01:42:53,370they're like barely.163001:42:54,630 --> 01:42:56,610Vision is to be second lastevery week.163101:42:59,100 --> 01:43:03,030What you've just described thereis an EPG an electronic Yeah.163201:43:03,030 --> 01:43:06,150brandguide. Yes. Which mostradio stations produced these163301:43:06,150 --> 01:43:08,220days anyway, for their apps. Itworks. Well.163401:43:08,490 --> 01:43:11,580Thank you. Thank you, James.That was dynamite. I saw this163501:43:11,580 --> 01:43:15,690booster Graham come in. I thiswas based upon our conversation163601:43:15,720 --> 01:43:21,840of hitting pod paying when a newshow starts on 100%. Retro,163701:43:22,050 --> 01:43:25,320which is still up. And I'm nowadding episodes, which are163801:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,610basically promos for the week.And when he said that, oh, yes,163901:43:29,610 --> 01:43:33,540of course, this this actually isa document that they they make164001:43:33,540 --> 01:43:38,670to send out to themselvesinternally, externally, etc. And164101:43:38,850 --> 01:43:41,850so I said right away, I said,Hey, I need an EPG from you164201:43:41,850 --> 01:43:44,850guys. It needs to be structured.So it needs to be something that164301:43:44,850 --> 01:43:48,690can be automatically read in bycomputer and they will get that164401:43:48,690 --> 01:43:50,550to me. So we're on our way.164501:43:51,540 --> 01:43:54,120And I will say that putting isgoing to get even broader in164601:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,150scope and better. Me and Alexhad been brainstorming a bunch164701:43:57,150 --> 01:44:00,840of stuff this week. And we getthere'll be more news on that164801:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,600front in the future, but it willbe it's going to become even164901:44:03,600 --> 01:44:09,360more universal. Nice. GeneEverett 33,000 sets he says165001:44:09,510 --> 01:44:10,560boost boost boost.165101:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,580Boost boost boost something likethat.165201:44:15,059 --> 01:44:18,029Karen from the mirror moralspodcast back again with a row165301:44:18,029 --> 01:44:21,569611 111 He says there's nobody Itrust more than Dave to willy165401:44:21,569 --> 01:44:28,289nilly around in the namespace.That's so inappropriate. Karen165501:44:29,249 --> 01:44:35,129SLC sent 1776 SAS and he saysnot just value for value165601:44:35,129 --> 01:44:38,939playlists but also V for V forend of show mixes that split165701:44:38,939 --> 01:44:40,169Yeah, all the same. Same. Yeah,165801:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,450they use Yes, yes. Yes.165901:44:42,870 --> 01:44:46,680intergalactic boom boss getssplits every time I boost. Yep,166001:44:46,860 --> 01:44:52,830exactly right. Sourced send uselite 1337 sets it through pod166101:44:52,830 --> 01:44:54,300verse and he says go podcasting166201:44:54,690 --> 01:44:55,740go podcast.166301:44:58,440 --> 01:45:03,150First lb boost from podcast.ers. Nice. Max burns and his166401:45:03,150 --> 01:45:06,63040,000 SAS through fountainingand as you drain the wallet, the166501:45:06,630 --> 01:45:09,150entire community behindpodcasting 2.0 We're doing166601:45:09,150 --> 01:45:12,870important work and doing it wellreally love all the new apps and166701:45:12,870 --> 01:45:16,620features this enables. Thankyou, Scott and Jalbert sir Scott166801:45:16,650 --> 01:45:21,540on the other show, Instagram.Billy Bones sent us 3333 through166901:45:21,540 --> 01:45:29,340fountain no note 6969 from Hey,citizen, through pod verse, he167001:45:29,340 --> 01:45:32,700says, I'd just like to interjectfor a moment, what you're167101:45:32,700 --> 01:45:36,960referring to as value is in factvalue for value, or as I've167201:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,490recently taken to calling itvalue plus value. The value for167301:45:41,490 --> 01:45:44,280value is not content untoitself, but rather another free167401:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,610component of a fully functioningpodcasting system made useful by167501:45:47,610 --> 01:45:51,300the creators, dudes named Benand vital producers comprising a167601:45:51,300 --> 01:45:54,690full p 2.0 system as defined bythe namespace.167701:45:55,410 --> 01:45:58,650So what is he saying that weneed to name it differently?167801:45:59,580 --> 01:46:03,870I think he's just saying thatit's it's a broad it's even167901:46:03,870 --> 01:46:05,550broader in scope than we even168001:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,070Oh, okay. Yes. Thank you. Hey,citizen.168101:46:08,580 --> 01:46:13,170Thank you, Franco. Celerio, thegenius developer behind Cass168201:46:13,170 --> 01:46:18,57091107. No note, send a note nexttime frame now Frank, I missed168301:46:18,570 --> 01:46:23,730you. Dave Jackson Hall of Famersend us 2428 through systematics168401:46:23,760 --> 01:46:30,990Hall of Famer. Boom, no note. Iget Dave Jackson, fellow Hall of168501:46:30,990 --> 01:46:31,620Famer168601:46:31,770 --> 01:46:36,480fellow. I can't say that youhave to say,168701:46:36,510 --> 01:46:40,140oh, Dave, you're gonna get youraward man. You're gonna get168801:46:41,430 --> 01:46:43,380into 2019168901:46:44,100 --> 01:46:46,800These things this weird the waythat works, you'll get an award169001:46:46,800 --> 01:46:47,400and watch169101:46:47,820 --> 01:46:53,790MIT lion 11 111 They row stickstheir breeze, it says just169201:46:53,790 --> 01:46:59,580streamed 111 k sets a minute for10 minutes also in brief, so you169301:46:59,580 --> 01:47:03,660can see if those appears boostsor not. I did see that. And it169401:47:03,660 --> 01:47:05,400did. I see. And it came through.169501:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,620Yes. And I also You were right.Whoever it was was sending 3033169601:47:10,620 --> 01:47:13,560sets a minute for quite a whilethe other day.169701:47:14,010 --> 01:47:16,050Yeah. And it's funny youmentioned that because he's next169801:47:16,050 --> 01:47:17,610on my list is Auburn citadel.169901:47:17,970 --> 01:47:23,430And he shows up Auburn CitadelHold on. As Wait, let me look at170001:47:23,430 --> 01:47:31,080my dashboard. He I think he'sone of the top supporters across170101:47:31,110 --> 01:47:36,060all the podcasts that I have.With a piece going to Alby which170201:47:36,060 --> 01:47:39,390is basically everything he'slike, like the top Yeah, he's170301:47:39,390 --> 01:47:43,140like 2.2 million SATs orsomething totally sent to the170401:47:43,260 --> 01:47:44,910podcast I'm involved in.170501:47:45,389 --> 01:47:48,989Holy crap. The whale you get awhale170601:47:50,010 --> 01:47:56,580we've got a whale we gotourselves a value for value170701:47:56,580 --> 01:47:57,510whale.170801:47:58,890 --> 01:48:05,370Our Citadel and totals up lastepisode once 173,316 sets. Thank170901:48:05,370 --> 01:48:10,320you overstated? How much did hesend? 173,316171001:48:11,790 --> 01:48:15,600Sakala 20 is blades on am Paula171101:48:15,630 --> 01:48:16,500means that171201:48:20,250 --> 01:48:27,6005000 SATs from Bumi and he sayswell who? back get your movie171301:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,83020 I'm sorry, how much171401:48:32,340 --> 01:48:41,6702125. Oh, contracts center sinceone 100,021 says friend through171501:48:41,670 --> 01:48:45,270fountain Nene says check outcontracts dot app for stats171601:48:45,270 --> 01:48:49,710about your stats stats aboutyour SATs. Weight. So the app171701:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,500this is the contract apps and usas171801:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,450the contract app itself171901:48:58,260 --> 01:49:02,100this it's clearly achievedsentience and is now sending out172001:49:02,100 --> 01:49:03,030mood booster grams.172101:49:03,450 --> 01:49:09,060Is it draining my wallet? Thisis interesting. I will maybe you172201:49:09,060 --> 01:49:10,440can send stuff here. I don't172301:49:10,440 --> 01:49:12,180know. And it's sending themthrough fountain.172401:49:13,200 --> 01:49:13,950So okay.172501:49:14,700 --> 01:49:21,660Right. Brian of London in thehive Dao send us 47,331 SATs172601:49:21,690 --> 01:49:30,030Thank you Brian. Okay, this isthis is song lyrics. And when172701:49:30,030 --> 01:49:33,330the elegance escapes me thelogic ties me up and race me dee172801:49:33,330 --> 01:49:36,180doo doo did oh, that's thepolice to172901:49:37,500 --> 01:49:43,050do all I want to do for you todo to lead it's called the dee173001:49:43,050 --> 01:49:46,830dee doo doo doo doo doo. That'sthe name. The DD Duchamp was173101:49:46,830 --> 01:49:47,340asked from173201:49:47,340 --> 01:49:56,760us synchronicity to think likethat referee who is the 11,211173301:49:56,760 --> 01:50:00,810SATs he's for the creator behindours is blue. He says question,173401:50:01,290 --> 01:50:05,940what is the significance ofthis? palindromic boost? Answer?173501:50:06,270 --> 01:50:10,980I need to refill my fountainwallet 11211 Thank you Dobby173601:50:10,980 --> 01:50:11,940does appreciate that.173701:50:11,970 --> 01:50:12,750Here it is day.173801:50:13,140 --> 01:50:15,060Oh, oh what a great song.173901:50:15,330 --> 01:50:18,840It's new doo dee da da174001:50:19,530 --> 01:50:21,390da da da da da174101:50:22,770 --> 01:50:23,910da da da.174201:50:24,720 --> 01:50:33,660Okay, I'm never going toremember that. Great drummer he174301:50:33,660 --> 01:50:36,270used to doubler on his drums,which always made it sound like174401:50:36,270 --> 01:50:39,750it had a little bit of a delay.And like a little delay effect174501:50:39,810 --> 01:50:44,730he has he has a very interestingway of drumming. Yeah, phrasing174601:50:44,730 --> 01:50:47,370just looking at him. Like howmany arms do you have?174701:50:48,030 --> 01:50:52,530Wasn't he on? Am I crazy? Or washe on like one of those Tonight174801:50:52,530 --> 01:50:55,560Show? bands for a while?174901:50:55,590 --> 01:51:00,390No, no, I don't think so. Forlike a short stint. Maybe Max175001:51:00,390 --> 01:51:03,690Weinberg? Maybe he was in thatfirst second. That would be the175101:51:03,690 --> 01:51:05,340only place I could imagine him.175201:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,940I think he may have sat in forMax Weinberg a few times that175301:51:08,940 --> 01:51:09,720Oh,175401:51:09,750 --> 01:51:14,520in fact, I think you're right.Yeah, yeah. Did Max Max Weinberg175501:51:14,520 --> 01:51:15,750get get canceled?175601:51:16,770 --> 01:51:18,780Oh, I don't know. This is neededme. Oh my god.175701:51:18,780 --> 01:51:21,660This is way before canceling.Okay,175801:51:21,690 --> 01:51:22,500what did he do175901:51:24,030 --> 01:51:27,750for Conan? Because I think heleft when Conan kinda got kicked176001:51:27,750 --> 01:51:32,760off a TBS, but he was there forlike tons of like, lot. I don't176101:51:32,760 --> 01:51:34,470know, several years before that.176201:51:34,860 --> 01:51:39,780But he he leaves. I there wasthere was something maybe he did176301:51:39,780 --> 01:51:41,070he just leave.176401:51:42,600 --> 01:51:43,860I don't know that.176501:51:43,860 --> 01:51:47,250I don't remember. What they wentback on tour, I think. I don't176601:51:47,250 --> 01:51:50,130know. I think he was having ahard I used to watch Conan all176701:51:50,130 --> 01:51:54,030the time. I think he just foundit hard to do both at a certain176801:51:54,030 --> 01:51:57,690point after 20 years. Right.Yeah, you're a Cohen's ban.176901:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,690Comic Strip blogger, thedelimiter. There 1033 sets177001:52:03,690 --> 01:52:06,810through fountain and he says,dearest Adam and Dave, you're177101:52:06,810 --> 01:52:10,080smart cookie producers areinvited to put AI dot cooking177201:52:10,260 --> 01:52:13,980into any web browser or podcastapp to enjoy the infotainment on177301:52:13,980 --> 01:52:17,610offer. Please allow them to besoothed by the silky smooth177401:52:17,610 --> 01:52:21,660tones of former BBC BBC actorand TV Show Developer Gregory177501:52:21,660 --> 01:52:25,410Forman whilst becoming informedabout artificial intelligence.177601:52:25,500 --> 01:52:25,980Yo.177701:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,490Thank you all for hitting thatboost button. And thanks for the177801:52:35,490 --> 01:52:37,770big boosts. And we have somemonthlies177901:52:37,950 --> 01:52:42,390guests in monthlies again, ChadPharoah $20.22 Thank you, Chad.178001:52:42,750 --> 01:52:50,460Scott Jalbert $12 Mark, gram $1New Media $1. David Mitas $10.178101:52:50,460 --> 01:52:54,660Thank you, David. Appreciatethat. And Joseph maraca $5. And178201:52:54,660 --> 01:52:58,800that was, yeah, that's reallyappreciate transistor coming in,178301:52:58,800 --> 01:53:03,360because we lost about $50 amonth and Pay Pal and all that178401:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,510we did that we did that. Yeah.So that that really helps. Yeah,178501:53:07,140 --> 01:53:07,500that's it.178601:53:07,920 --> 01:53:12,990I was just reading Ice Cube soupin the chat with a feature178701:53:12,990 --> 01:53:14,820request, which I thought wasreally interesting, because we178801:53:14,820 --> 01:53:18,090were just talking about these,these high level streaming sat,178901:53:18,870 --> 01:53:22,380payments, feature requeststreaming boosts level179001:53:22,410 --> 01:53:28,530elevation, with deadman switchfunctions like this streaming179101:53:28,530 --> 01:53:31,830boost rate is elevated after youpush the button and stays179201:53:31,830 --> 01:53:35,010elevated until the app noticethat you haven't reaffirmed your179301:53:35,010 --> 01:53:38,820intent in the last 10 minutes.That's kind of an interesting179401:53:38,820 --> 01:53:39,360idea.179501:53:40,260 --> 01:53:43,080I don't understand. Like, so you179601:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,080can decide okay, I'm next I'mgoing to send 5000 SATs a minute179701:53:46,080 --> 01:53:49,410for as long as I'm listeningHowever, every 10 minutes the179801:53:49,410 --> 01:53:53,490app is going to ask me if I if Iif I'm still here or it will179901:53:53,490 --> 01:53:54,090stop180001:53:56,520 --> 01:54:01,650like like a crow's which Oh, Isee I see. Oh, you fall180101:54:01,650 --> 01:54:02,820asleep listening to a podcast180201:54:02,820 --> 01:54:07,800Exactly. Like you want it likeit's highly rated but you you do180301:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,280want to I don't know. I don'tknow. I guess you just empty180401:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,220your wallet and booster gram tous. That's all that's that's the180501:54:14,220 --> 01:54:19,320best, the best the most fun youcan have. And if it's above $100180601:54:19,320 --> 01:54:23,400In Fiat fun coupons, we willsend you an official t shirt,180701:54:24,030 --> 01:54:28,440which is not available anywhereexcept through donations on the180801:54:28,440 --> 01:54:31,440show. Am I correct? Do we stillhave access to this great deal?180901:54:31,980 --> 01:54:37,890We do. We do? Is it set one fordanger for dare No. Just the181001:54:37,890 --> 01:54:38,310other day.181101:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,570Thank you again for supportingpodcasting 2.0 the podcasts for181201:54:42,570 --> 01:54:45,420supporting the infrastructurefor the project. And of course181301:54:45,420 --> 01:54:49,380it's time talent and treasure.So so many of you are doing181401:54:49,380 --> 01:54:53,880things that are just includingJohn Spurlock doing amazing work181501:54:53,880 --> 01:54:58,920to to to make the circle ofscissor running even wider181601:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,640which is appreciate you guysit's it's always fun being on181701:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,670and Dave, I love the fact thatlike we don't have to have181801:55:06,510 --> 01:55:09,330communication meetings like wejust have the asynchronous181901:55:09,360 --> 01:55:12,390Mastodon I love when you bringup a, you know, a proposal or182001:55:12,390 --> 01:55:15,420something you've completelyintegrated it like, you know, I182101:55:15,420 --> 01:55:18,870never have to yell at the radioand say, you know, it's like182201:55:18,870 --> 01:55:21,630this because you get it. And Ithink that's really cool that182301:55:21,630 --> 01:55:24,030like, we have a project wherepeople can kind of do their own182401:55:24,030 --> 01:55:28,080thing. But everyone kind ofunderstands the goal here. So I182501:55:28,080 --> 01:55:29,160think that that's really cool.182601:55:29,580 --> 01:55:32,370Yeah. Oh, thanks for that. And Ithink you're right. I think182701:55:32,370 --> 01:55:36,090that's the one of the strengthsof this project is probably not182801:55:36,090 --> 01:55:39,930like a lot of others that I'veseen is that everybody is very,182901:55:39,930 --> 01:55:44,280it's loose, so it doesn't feeloppressive, but it's also183001:55:44,610 --> 01:55:48,210everybody at the same time getseverybody we have a shared183101:55:48,210 --> 01:55:51,360vision. A really life. Thisfeels really good. It's not been183201:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,190like anything I've everexperienced before.183301:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,120Even Elon Musk could not hirethis team. That's the way I see.183401:55:57,360 --> 01:56:01,230No, effing way. No way. Allright, Dave, you good man. You183501:56:01,230 --> 01:56:02,520good for the weekend. Everythingcool.183601:56:03,150 --> 01:56:06,360Yep. Yeah, I'm good, man. I'mgonna head back to the office183701:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,990and finish out the day and thenand then memory for the weekend.183801:56:10,019 --> 01:56:12,239John Spurlock back to thepenthouse.183901:56:13,980 --> 01:56:19,830Back to the OP three dungeon toactually work here. So anyone184001:56:19,830 --> 01:56:20,130that wants184101:56:20,130 --> 01:56:21,270to take lots of meat.184201:56:23,160 --> 01:56:27,090Take ad op 3d or feeds folks.Thanks. We'll have something to184301:56:27,090 --> 01:56:27,960show in a few weeks.184401:56:28,019 --> 01:56:30,899Thanks again for your time,John. Really appreciate it. Yep,184501:56:30,899 --> 01:56:33,089thanks. Yeah, absolutely.Anytime, and everybody in the184601:56:33,089 --> 01:56:35,189chat room. Thank you very muchfor being with us here on this184701:56:35,189 --> 01:56:40,709last episode podcasting.2.1 2.1 2.0 no meetings except184801:56:40,709 --> 01:56:43,619for one the board meeting everyFriday Friday. We'll see you184901:56:43,619 --> 01:56:44,819here next week. Bye bye.185001:57:01,470 --> 01:57:06,030You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast185101:57:06,030 --> 01:57:08,610index.com. For more information