Episode 107: Clippy for Developers!

100:00:00,510 --> 00:00:06,300podcasting 2.0 for October21 2022, episode 107 It's plenty200:00:06,300 --> 00:00:11,040for developers. Well, hello,everybody, welcome once again to300:00:11,100 --> 00:00:15,150the official board meeting ofpodcasting. 2.0 everything going400:00:15,150 --> 00:00:18,960on with now and the future nowand the future future of500:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,280podcasting, as because this iswhere it all happens, where the600:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,560directors come together anddiscuss what's happening in700:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,710podcasts. index.org the namespace and of course, the800:00:28,710 --> 00:00:33,150creative genius of podcast indexdot social. And I'm Adam curry900:00:33,150 --> 00:00:36,600here in the heart of the TexasHill Country in an Alabama with1000:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,630a promise to keep us on thenamespace rails today. Say hello1100:00:39,630 --> 00:00:42,900to my friend on the other end,Mr. Dave Jones.1200:00:45,150 --> 00:00:47,940I feel like I'm gonna have alock up today. I feel like I'm1300:00:47,940 --> 00:00:54,690gonna have a boot. That's gonnahappen. I rebooted before the1400:00:54,690 --> 00:00:59,340show. And everything is Yeah,everything is five by five. I'm1500:00:59,340 --> 00:01:04,620in the pipe. But But I have thissneaking suspicion. I have a I1600:01:04,650 --> 00:01:09,270have a a what would you callthat? Like? What is that where1700:01:09,270 --> 00:01:13,410you look at superstitionreminisce from and yes, I'm1800:01:13,410 --> 00:01:16,530premonition. lysing, that I'mgoing to have a boot.1900:01:16,650 --> 00:01:20,520You know, in the, in the oldcountry we say the Schumacher2000:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,700scheme that I hate high schoolnow. I said that this morning?2100:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,880Well, you basically just didbecause the shoemakers children2200:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,010have no shoes is what it No.2300:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,010I sit in the bathroom, though,when I was like after my first2400:01:32,010 --> 00:01:32,610cup of coffee.2500:01:33,540 --> 00:01:37,410So I mean, I just want to pointout that you know you as a guy2600:01:37,410 --> 00:01:40,470who actually keeps systemsrunning professionally. I mean,2700:01:40,470 --> 00:01:44,070you've you've let thisparticular machine just mess2800:01:44,070 --> 00:01:48,330with you for months. Is thereanything we want to talk about2900:01:48,330 --> 00:01:54,240something? Show me where on thescreen that computer hurt you3000:01:54,240 --> 00:01:54,630today.3100:01:55,739 --> 00:02:01,409This this. It's after my I havetwo philosophies with that with3200:02:01,619 --> 00:02:03,779there's two competingphilosophies hopefully within3300:02:03,779 --> 00:02:08,849the mind of every IT admin.There are two competing3400:02:08,849 --> 00:02:14,639priorities priority number oneis, don't is don't let things3500:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,429get too far behind. You must youneed to stay up to date so that3600:02:17,429 --> 00:02:21,809you can get patches and staycurrent with you know, fixes and3700:02:21,809 --> 00:02:24,029improvements and securitypatches and that kind of thing.3800:02:24,539 --> 00:02:30,269Priority number two is neverchanged something that is that3900:02:30,269 --> 00:02:31,049is working.4000:02:31,710 --> 00:02:34,140Yes. If it ain't broke, don'tfix it.4100:02:34,589 --> 00:02:38,039Yeah, that I mean, it's so I amfirmly between a rock and a hard4200:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,239place with this computer. Whenit's working. It's exact, it's4300:02:42,239 --> 00:02:44,609great. And see this is all playsinto the unreal because this is4400:02:44,609 --> 00:02:46,559also my Umbral and so4500:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,030this is why it's a problem.Yeah, you should really separate4600:02:51,030 --> 00:02:52,740those two that's that's theissue.4700:02:53,370 --> 00:02:56,280Yeah, don't have separation,proper separation of concerns.4800:02:56,700 --> 00:02:57,750And so it's bugging me now.4900:02:57,810 --> 00:03:00,930Now this is this is a very badidea. You know, that laptop, the5000:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,320Surface Pro six that I finallygot the tumble working on fine.5100:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,060I mean, that one actuallyupgraded 2.5 beautifully. I just5200:03:09,060 --> 00:03:12,120haven't touched it. I haven'tbreathed around it. I tiptoe5300:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,240past it. And it's been I'm gonnaI'm gonna knock on wood right5400:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,130now, because it's been up formonths.5500:03:17,580 --> 00:03:22,140Now he just screwed it. Why didyou even say this?5600:03:23,070 --> 00:03:25,200I'm awful. I like running withscissors.5700:03:26,340 --> 00:03:30,960You were firmly doing this anddoing that. Exactly. I mean,5800:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,570like, in 100 different ways.We're running with scissors. I5900:03:33,570 --> 00:03:37,410live updated the API thismorning with a cool with a new6000:03:37,410 --> 00:03:40,110property. There's no production.But by the way, there's no6100:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,080there's no difference betweenproduction and development6200:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,890environments with podcast index.There. It's all production, all6300:03:46,890 --> 00:03:47,580production6400:03:47,850 --> 00:03:51,060there. In fact, if you do a pullrequest, it just goes live.6500:03:51,060 --> 00:03:52,620Don't even worry about it. Boom.6600:03:53,460 --> 00:03:55,950Somebody said, you know, peoplewill make comments and stuff6700:03:55,950 --> 00:03:58,710like Spurlock did just was like,wow, that's fast. Like, yeah,6800:03:58,740 --> 00:04:04,890there's a reason I didn't testit. I did actually test it.6900:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,580What actually was this? What wasthis update to the API is7000:04:08,580 --> 00:04:09,090returning7100:04:09,090 --> 00:04:12,840the podcast Gu ID in the searchresults now, which I didn't7200:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,160realize it wasn't doing7300:04:15,390 --> 00:04:17,250that which is critical for OCthree.7400:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,420I guess I'm not sure what he'sdoing over there. I guess he's7500:04:21,420 --> 00:04:23,040rolling things up into a GUID.7600:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,220It's so funny, because because Ialso don't really know what he's7700:04:26,220 --> 00:04:29,070doing. But I feel goodcontributing my data twice a7800:04:29,070 --> 00:04:29,550week.7900:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,950I feel so I feel very out of theloop this week. It's been tied8000:04:34,950 --> 00:04:39,270up with a lot of personal stuffand the job you know, we hire so8100:04:39,300 --> 00:04:43,800I hired a new guy, a third ITguy to help me at the office and8200:04:44,820 --> 00:04:47,730event like long term, it's goingto be great. He's going to work8300:04:47,730 --> 00:04:52,800out just fine and it's going totake a lot of stress and8400:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,400workload. You8500:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,000have to shape him and mold himin your image.8600:04:57,510 --> 00:05:01,500Yes, that's the hard part is thehave, you know the weeks and8700:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,070weeks of training that has tohappen? So that's that's been8800:05:05,070 --> 00:05:10,140chewing up a lot of time. My sonmoves out tomorrow. He's moving8900:05:10,140 --> 00:05:10,920out on his own.9000:05:11,189 --> 00:05:15,299Oh, and he's 18 is He? Is heworking or going to school?9100:05:15,929 --> 00:05:19,169Both working and going toschool? Good boy. Good line.9200:05:19,169 --> 00:05:21,509Yeah. No more. No more motorswelding program,9300:05:21,540 --> 00:05:26,340no more. Cool. co2 Mainly areall kinds of welding.9400:05:27,450 --> 00:05:33,240He's doing every, every timehe's doing stick. TIG TIG pipe9500:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,110welding.9600:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,610Can you get to get a hold of athermal lance for me? I have9700:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,960some ideas. What is the lightyou can cut through the safe?9800:05:44,010 --> 00:05:47,610Oh, plasma cutter or whatever.One of9900:05:47,610 --> 00:05:51,150those. If there's one in theshop, just let me know.10000:05:51,809 --> 00:05:54,209Yeah, it is bittersweet. Steven.You're right. Yeah. A bit very10100:05:54,209 --> 00:05:57,419bittersweet. I've been I've beenwe've been hanging out a lot. We10200:05:57,419 --> 00:05:59,999haven't we? We hung out it andyou get my clips by the way. I10300:05:59,999 --> 00:06:05,669did. Of course. Yeah. Okay, sowe we had a Me, me and my son10400:06:05,669 --> 00:06:08,099went to the movies last night.We just been hanging out a lot10500:06:08,099 --> 00:06:11,159and getting getting some time inand stuff before he moves out.10600:06:11,159 --> 00:06:15,899And so we went to the movies. Inthe theater, they have this10700:06:15,899 --> 00:06:20,819thing called it's a pretzel.It's like a giant pretzel. It's10800:06:20,819 --> 00:06:26,669called the Bavarian legend. Thegreatest name ever forever for a10900:06:26,669 --> 00:06:31,019pretzel. This thing. Okay. Getthere's a picture of it. In the11000:06:31,019 --> 00:06:31,889clips. If11100:06:32,550 --> 00:06:34,830you know you know me. I don'tlook at stuff like that. You11200:06:34,830 --> 00:06:38,730don't let me Okay, beforehand.Legend. I see the title. Yeah.11300:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,430Okay. Bring it up. Oh, mygoodness.11400:06:41,700 --> 00:06:44,220It's one and a half pounds ofpretzel.11500:06:44,730 --> 00:06:47,100They don't even know what apretzel is in Germany. They've11600:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,570never even heard of a pretzel11700:06:51,390 --> 00:07:00,330is one and a half pounds. Italso has 1940 calories. And 33911800:07:00,330 --> 00:07:01,080carbs.11900:07:01,110 --> 00:07:04,140Oh my goodness. I'm going to putit in the show notes. So people12000:07:04,140 --> 00:07:06,480get that your is that your dog?growling?12100:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,570Oh, yeah. Actually, Hang on. Letme get let me I will return a12200:07:12,570 --> 00:07:13,260very12300:07:14,190 --> 00:07:20,670legend. This is too good. Is abeautiful piece of pretzel work.12400:07:25,290 --> 00:07:26,400Very, very professional.12500:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,030That didn't know you can hearthat. Hear what I can barely12600:07:30,030 --> 00:07:30,450hear the12700:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,390dog. I'm used to because usuallyit's my dog. And we're looking12800:07:33,390 --> 00:07:37,200like she's not even here. Soyou've tuned in like, Yeah,12900:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,660well, she's she's an earlywarning defense system.13000:07:40,260 --> 00:07:42,510I let him out without anyconsideration whether there's13100:07:42,510 --> 00:07:45,120chickens loose out there. So andit's their own. They're all13200:07:45,150 --> 00:07:46,890they're all on their own. Theycan't figure it out.13300:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,950So you know, besides the factthat you know, of course it's13400:07:49,950 --> 00:07:53,400bittersweet. Your son's leavingthe house. He's flying the coop13500:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,240so to speak. Now the the thereal downside is? It's uneven.13600:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,980It's two chicks against you.13700:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,400Oh, yeah. Yeah, this this isthis is that just means Dave13800:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,360gets more alone time.13900:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,300Y'all want to go shoppingtogether?14000:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,790All right. See you guys later.Yeah, very14100:08:11,790 --> 00:08:15,630misogynist of us. I don't knowabout you feels kind of good to14200:08:15,630 --> 00:08:18,540finally be able to talk aboutpocket Pocket Casts being open14300:08:18,540 --> 00:08:19,110source.14400:08:19,830 --> 00:08:23,430Yeah, that was killing me. Iwanted to tell about 25 people,14500:08:23,430 --> 00:08:25,200but I cannot say a word. So and14600:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,770I think this was probably, youknow, a well kept a well known14700:08:28,770 --> 00:08:33,960secret in the last month or two.But we had I had a chat with14800:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,450Matt, what was it? Like, three,four months ago?14900:08:37,710 --> 00:08:40,230Yeah, yes. Yeah, something likethat.15000:08:40,740 --> 00:08:44,520And, and then he connected uswith the whole team there. And15100:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,080we had a nice chat with them.And I mean, you want to me, what15200:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,750was interesting is that, notonly Well, first of all, that's15300:08:51,750 --> 00:08:53,730when they say, you know, it'snot public yet, but we're going15400:08:53,730 --> 00:08:55,860to open source it. So that'swhat we need to do first. And15500:08:55,860 --> 00:08:59,160then they were like, I mean,Matt was like, How can we not be15600:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,580all in on this? And then theteam itself was like, Yeah, we15700:09:02,580 --> 00:09:06,240love all the extra extrafeatures and stuff. And but15800:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,820there's value for value thatwe're really drawn to that.15900:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,960That's what took us both fastsurprises that we were, we16000:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,670always I guess it's just thenature of people who believe in16100:09:19,410 --> 00:09:23,460you believe in the utility ofcredit of crypto or digital16200:09:23,460 --> 00:09:27,900currencies, is that, you know,you expect pushback from16300:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,560everybody all the time. And soyou always kind of tiptoe into16400:09:31,560 --> 00:09:34,290it, you're like, you know,there's this, there's this way16500:09:34,290 --> 00:09:36,390you can you know, we also havethis other thing, whereas this16600:09:36,390 --> 00:09:40,860way you can do electronicpayments, small small payments16700:09:41,100 --> 00:09:43,410to him for you know, and youexpect it's like now, we're not16800:09:43,410 --> 00:09:45,780interested in that, you know,but they were like, Yeah, that's16900:09:45,780 --> 00:09:46,800cool. Tell me more about that.17000:09:46,829 --> 00:09:49,709We actually left that, as usualto the end, like yeah, we'll17100:09:49,709 --> 00:09:53,669talk about that later. And thenbring that forward. What was17200:09:53,669 --> 00:09:53,909that?17300:09:54,300 --> 00:09:56,730Yeah, they're like, Well, no,that sounds great. But tell me17400:09:56,730 --> 00:09:58,680more about this Griffin, youknow, this Bitcoin thing. It's17500:09:58,680 --> 00:09:59,520like okay,17600:09:59,550 --> 00:10:03,390now I know Sure, I know you'vebeen busy. So I don't even get17700:10:03,390 --> 00:10:06,240an opportunity to look, Icertainly haven't. But I've been17800:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,810reading some of the reports. Sofrom what I understand the open17900:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,980source, open source the the codefor the app, but that the app18000:10:13,980 --> 00:10:17,040relies, of course, I think, likealmost everybody's app on the18100:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,080back end. And the backendconsists of their database. It18200:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,220consists of their user database,and I'm sure some kind of, you18300:10:26,220 --> 00:10:31,320know, system where user data isstored is now is this something?18400:10:31,350 --> 00:10:34,140What is the intent of this? Ifit doesn't have kind of a18500:10:34,140 --> 00:10:38,280description of what these Iguess API calls do? And is that18600:10:38,370 --> 00:10:41,700replicable? Is that you knowwhat I mean, it's like, it's a18700:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,160little confusing to me, I guessI didn't really consider it.18800:10:45,300 --> 00:10:48,300Yeah, I've been keeping Ihaven't been interacting much on18900:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,760the social this way. But I havebeen best doesn't mean keeping19000:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,170track of everything. And whatwhat it looks like is they19100:10:55,170 --> 00:10:59,610released the source code for theAndroid app and the iOS app. So19200:10:59,610 --> 00:11:07,080that's what their main releasewas, which is great. And I think19300:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,330Mitch was saying, Well, youknow, they don't they didn't19400:11:09,330 --> 00:11:13,230release the code for the API,the website, the desktop19500:11:13,230 --> 00:11:18,480product. And so it's not acomplete open sourcing of19600:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,350everything it's in I have to, Idon't know what they're gonna19700:11:22,350 --> 00:11:25,770do. But I mean, there, this isWordPress, they, they were they19800:11:25,770 --> 00:11:28,680open source everything. So Ihave to think that eventually,19900:11:28,680 --> 00:11:33,000over time, they will open sourceit, but at the same time, I20000:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,730mean, wordpress.com, likethey're still there. Their20100:11:38,730 --> 00:11:42,360official hosting platform? Idon't think that is open source.20200:11:42,930 --> 00:11:46,890I think it's just the communityproduct. That is WordPress.20300:11:46,890 --> 00:11:47,130That's20400:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,990right, or you can run aWordPress standalone, you can20500:11:51,990 --> 00:11:53,880fire up this app, you can't20600:11:54,870 --> 00:11:59,100write Yes. So you'd have to havesome sort of back end that you20700:11:59,100 --> 00:12:05,910wrote yourself at home. I mean,so with stuff like this, I20800:12:05,910 --> 00:12:11,340wouldn't expect that peoplewould just make a clone of20900:12:11,340 --> 00:12:15,780Pocket Casts. Maybe I'm wrong. Imean, I just, I can just speak21000:12:15,780 --> 00:12:21,180for myself, if I was going to dosomething with this code. I21100:12:21,180 --> 00:12:25,530can't imagine that I would justlike rebrand this and sort of21200:12:25,530 --> 00:12:30,120white label this and read andcompile it and go, I feel like21300:12:30,150 --> 00:12:36,210what the benefit of this thingis, is seeing what is getting21400:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,560pulling code out, in being ableto like, fast track your own app21500:12:43,710 --> 00:12:47,250with some stuff that you'restruggling with pulling this21600:12:47,250 --> 00:12:53,040code in. I feel like it's moreof a pure open source play in21700:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,530the in that sense, rather than,like, Okay, here's a, here's21800:12:58,530 --> 00:13:01,320this app that everybody can justkind of put their own logo on21900:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,730and read, compile.22000:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,930So here's my thinking about it.Depending on, you know, what22100:13:06,930 --> 00:13:11,310their system does, it seemsperhaps worthwhile if there's22200:13:11,310 --> 00:13:14,520this. Yeah. And there's morethan one. But this is a you22300:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,310know, a lot of hands have beenon this app. i A lot of people22400:13:17,310 --> 00:13:21,270really like it. They're kind ofif if there was a way to say,22500:13:21,270 --> 00:13:27,630Okay, you you, whatever, wasconnected to Pocket Cast HQ.22600:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,410Now, connect that to your ownserver. And here's the index22700:13:31,410 --> 00:13:35,280part. Obviously, the a lot ofthose calls, probably we have22800:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,510already is that Then somethingthat can be used as it as like a22900:13:39,510 --> 00:13:42,930template that that actually canlet people just put their logo23000:13:42,930 --> 00:13:44,970on it? What's I'm notnecessarily against23100:13:45,750 --> 00:13:48,390as possible. I mean, the onething I don't know, because I23200:13:48,390 --> 00:13:54,240have not looked at the code is,I don't know how much of this is23300:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,380legacy code23400:13:56,430 --> 00:13:59,040might be a mess. Who knows?That's what I23500:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,620was thinking. It really could bea mess. I mean, if you've had,23600:14:01,770 --> 00:14:04,860if they've been pulling forwardcode for how long has Pocket23700:14:04,860 --> 00:14:06,030Casts been around 10 years,that's23800:14:06,030 --> 00:14:08,610a lot of different hands. That'sthe thing. Lots of23900:14:08,610 --> 00:14:11,250different people there might belike, on the iOS side, there can24000:14:11,250 --> 00:14:15,720be tons of Objective C codestill in there. For things like24100:14:15,780 --> 00:14:20,340old classes that they neverreally touch. It's like, okay,24200:14:20,340 --> 00:14:22,890this thing just works. And wedon't, I mean, we're not going24300:14:22,890 --> 00:14:26,760to go back and rewrite this inSwift. There could be this could24400:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,730be a mishmash of all kinds,there can be C code in there.24500:14:30,150 --> 00:14:33,180All kinds of things. I don't Idon't know. You know, as a24600:14:33,180 --> 00:14:34,170matter of fact, it just24700:14:35,580 --> 00:14:39,300seemed like the like the overallmessaging was, you know, this is24800:14:39,300 --> 00:14:44,460a great way for people to helpwith bugs and request features,24900:14:44,460 --> 00:14:47,250which I think arguably, that's,you know, I think they've got a25000:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,530lot of people helping with thata lot of people who are very25100:14:49,530 --> 00:14:53,370dedicated to the app. Now, dothey charge for a premium25200:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,830experience, or is it free allthe way around?25300:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,970Yeesh I don't know. I hope Ihope they charge. I don't know.25400:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,730I don't actually know. You Idon't either.25500:15:03,870 --> 00:15:06,870Pocket Casts iOS, I'm justlooking at the iOS thing because25600:15:06,870 --> 00:15:10,440I don't I don't know anythingabout about and the Android25700:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,570side. There is a little bit ofObjective C in there. Oh, 97% of25800:15:15,570 --> 00:15:18,840it is swift. So that's good.Yeah,25900:15:18,839 --> 00:15:23,849they have Pocket Casts plus.Okay, there you go. That's26000:15:23,849 --> 00:15:26,249there. When do you get fromPocket cash plus?26100:15:26,999 --> 00:15:29,819Yeah. So it looks like a lot oftheir objective stays see stuff26200:15:29,819 --> 00:15:34,109is is it's just utility code.It's chapter reader. media26300:15:34,109 --> 00:15:40,139metadata. Watch app extension.Yeah, like, this looks like a26400:15:40,139 --> 00:15:43,019relatively well kept code base.Like it's pretty modern. It26500:15:43,019 --> 00:15:44,159seems. Yeah.26600:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,310$1 a month. 99 cents?26700:15:48,750 --> 00:15:51,030No, I wish people would chargemore.26800:15:51,180 --> 00:15:57,090Yeah. Anyway, okay. Well, good.Yeah. So we're very happy. And26900:15:57,630 --> 00:15:59,790I'm gonna do I'm gonna do I'mgonna circle back, I'm gonna27000:15:59,790 --> 00:16:03,090circle back with Matt and say,Hey, got a pin in it. Hey, man,27100:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,450congratulations. Great release.Now, what's the word?27200:16:06,450 --> 00:16:07,320Johannesburg?27300:16:08,730 --> 00:16:12,060Well, I think the, I think,yeah, I think it's time to, to27400:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,970pick them up and see what'sgoing on again. Yeah,27500:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,020I think that's a good idea.27600:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,460What do you what do you think'sgonna happen with this with this27700:16:20,460 --> 00:16:26,130code? I mean, I'm exactly so yougotta you've got to what people27800:16:26,130 --> 00:16:30,360have been wanting for a while islike a real good 2.0 reference27900:16:30,360 --> 00:16:38,790app that has, that has a lot ofmodern features, combined with a28000:16:38,790 --> 00:16:44,610lot of well establishedfeatures. So some of the some of28100:16:44,610 --> 00:16:50,490the knock if there is one on 2.0apps is that quite a few of them28200:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,530grew grew up that were born asnew abs in didn't have as,28300:16:55,770 --> 00:17:00,000especially on the mobile side.So they they're trying, they're28400:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,060sort of playing catch up withsome of the more well28500:17:03,060 --> 00:17:07,800established, like, tried andtrue things that podcast apps28600:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,610do. And so they have like newfeatures, but they don't have28700:17:11,610 --> 00:17:14,880one thing, you know, things likepod friend. So I could think I28800:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,430could see this as being like, away to just short circuit28900:17:20,430 --> 00:17:23,790shortcut, that whole thing whereyou go, you go in build this29000:17:23,790 --> 00:17:30,540app, play around with it, beginto see how it's put together. I29100:17:30,540 --> 00:17:33,870guess I could see this and thenlike you said, attach a attach29200:17:33,870 --> 00:17:37,680the the index on the backside ofit. I'm hoping to see right out29300:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,370the gate, I'm hoping to see pullrequests submitted back to them29400:17:41,370 --> 00:17:47,490to have like, me, just does itPR, it has a PR that says Add29500:17:47,490 --> 00:17:48,480cloud chapters.29600:17:50,670 --> 00:17:54,360I think that that's feels likethat's what's destined to29700:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,430happen, because there's notenough people who read like29800:17:56,430 --> 00:18:01,410Pocket Cast, that, that the PRSwill be for 2.0 stuff. And I29900:18:01,410 --> 00:18:06,150think that over time, it's goingto take a while right that it's30000:18:06,150 --> 00:18:08,850just going to take quite a whilebefore you see that starting to30100:18:08,850 --> 00:18:12,750show up in the in the productionversion. In the meantime, you30200:18:12,750 --> 00:18:16,440know, there's there's a lot of,I mean, I use all different apps30300:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,270for different reasons, none ofthem really has it all. So I30400:18:21,270 --> 00:18:23,520think that if you want to be onthe cutting edge, and you want30500:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,310to have the, you know, thecurrent features and the new30600:18:26,310 --> 00:18:30,300features, kind of always, then,you know, there's many other30700:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,110alternatives.30800:18:31,680 --> 00:18:37,080So I was really wise of them tonot commit to development under30900:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,9202.0 features until after theyopen sourced it, because then31000:18:40,950 --> 00:18:42,630that may just save them work.31100:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,760Well, of course, that's thewhole that's the beauty of it.31200:18:44,970 --> 00:18:48,120And you know, all the extra,like, look, they're charging for31300:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,420all these great features thatpeople like so you know, I don't31400:18:51,420 --> 00:18:55,350even know if those a bit theydidn't open source, the Pocket31500:18:55,350 --> 00:18:59,640Cast Plus, there's a lot offeatures that you get in Pocket31600:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,280Casts plus, so that's theirsauce. And that's kind of how it31700:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,210should be. And I was like the ifif like if cast, thematic had an31800:19:09,210 --> 00:19:12,090android version, I'd be prettyinterested. You know, I'm very31900:19:12,090 --> 00:19:15,240interested in the in the actualsound, but of course, that could32000:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,670never happen because of the iOSlibraries, etc. But yeah, I32100:19:20,670 --> 00:19:25,710don't know. I think when I hearpeople say people say I'm like,32200:19:25,740 --> 00:19:31,350I don't know, a lot. It's very,very personal. I mean, see how32300:19:31,350 --> 00:19:34,800long and how many people wereusing dog catcher completely32400:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,460unsupported piece of crap,ultimately, because it just32500:19:38,490 --> 00:19:44,520broke. I broke, I broke it.Well, now at least we broke it.32600:19:44,550 --> 00:19:49,080We broke it. But how many peoplereally like it, and probably32700:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,900still use it and probably getanother app just to listen to32800:19:51,960 --> 00:19:58,050this show? Or whatever. Whateverwas breaking it. Yes, sir. Sure.32900:19:58,110 --> 00:19:59,490I really don't know33000:20:01,050 --> 00:20:03,570Somebody on Twitter was doggingout the one of the app33100:20:03,570 --> 00:20:07,500developers in he was like, Yeah,I came from I had to come over33200:20:07,500 --> 00:20:10,230from dogcatcher. I'm like, oh,man, you're talking out and33300:20:11,250 --> 00:20:16,260ya know, I told him pump thebrakes, buddy. Yeah, was that33400:20:16,260 --> 00:20:18,870turned out to be okay. And Mitchjumped in. And33500:20:20,010 --> 00:20:21,900it was pod verse yesterday.Yeah,33600:20:21,900 --> 00:20:28,170I was like, Hey, easy, does itpal. But yeah, I don't know.33700:20:28,170 --> 00:20:33,330It's to me, it's, again, it'swhat what can you create? That33800:20:33,330 --> 00:20:38,790is of value in your in your app.whatever that value is, you got33900:20:38,790 --> 00:20:43,350to remember to find a way to askpeople for it. And now I see34000:20:43,740 --> 00:20:47,580very elegant solutions fromcurio caster and pod verse on34100:20:47,790 --> 00:20:52,590how to support you know, thenthere's premium versions. And so34200:20:52,590 --> 00:20:55,260you know, there's I thinkthere's, that's where the focus34300:20:55,260 --> 00:20:58,890has to go. I mean, you need tounderstand the type of person34400:20:58,890 --> 00:21:03,720who uses your app. I mean,someone was asking me the, the34500:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,880Oh, the meat mafia, we're here.And so you're talking about34600:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,490stuff. And they say what apps itis, there's so many different34700:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,370experiences, like there's ahuge, blind and poorly sighted34800:21:14,370 --> 00:21:21,030community, who of course is wellserved by pod vers. Pod verse34900:21:21,030 --> 00:21:25,980right now is this funny guy tomix his like, Hey, why is why35000:21:25,980 --> 00:21:29,340the why is traffic up for podversus that because people are35100:21:29,340 --> 00:21:32,460interested in open source? Andand I've looked around for apps35200:21:32,460 --> 00:21:36,450and found a pod versus maybe,maybe also because I keep35300:21:36,450 --> 00:21:39,900promoting it on no agenda as theapp to listen to the show live35400:21:39,900 --> 00:21:40,770with the troll room?35500:21:41,070 --> 00:21:42,330Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there you go.35600:21:43,710 --> 00:21:47,730Maybe, maybe, maybe. So perhapsthe so I'm just saying it's35700:21:47,730 --> 00:21:53,400like, you know, I just don't buyinto the apps are behind or35800:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,240they're immature? Or I thinkthat's an opinion. I still use35900:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,610curio Castro the most. I don'tknow why.36000:22:00,389 --> 00:22:03,389No, no, it's the web app. Iwould never use the term36100:22:03,389 --> 00:22:07,949immature. I think. I thinkhere's, here's the way I see36200:22:07,949 --> 00:22:14,609that, that develop that ideadevelop is this. People get it36300:22:14,639 --> 00:22:17,039here, here. And here would bethe here would be the thing.36400:22:17,399 --> 00:22:19,559Somebody looks at Freedomcontroller for the first time36500:22:19,559 --> 00:22:25,619sees sees the way that it doesRSS feed, news feeds, and says,36600:22:26,489 --> 00:22:30,599Yeah, I really wish this had aninbox view. Right? Like, that's,36700:22:30,629 --> 00:22:32,609that's the type of thing youget, it's like, well, that net36800:22:32,609 --> 00:22:36,689doesn't mean that it's behind,it just means that that's not36900:22:36,689 --> 00:22:40,199what we do. I mean, that's notwhat I want the product to be.37000:22:40,649 --> 00:22:44,429And so like, there's, there'sthis idea when the developer has37100:22:44,429 --> 00:22:49,319a vision, when you come into amarket, into an existing market,37200:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,769where there's already a bunch ofplayers that have been doing37300:22:52,769 --> 00:22:56,189things a very similar way, RSSfeed readers are a great37400:22:56,189 --> 00:23:01,319example. Things like news, Benand Feedly. And those kinds of37500:23:01,319 --> 00:23:05,729things. And once upon a timeGoogle Reader, there was a37600:23:06,029 --> 00:23:10,529certain way that those UIsdeveloped, and people, and then37700:23:10,709 --> 00:23:14,609one person would do one thingwould add a feature. And then37800:23:14,609 --> 00:23:16,649they would all have to copy itbecause they need, you know,37900:23:16,649 --> 00:23:18,629they're scared that they'regoing to be taken away from38000:23:18,629 --> 00:23:20,999where everybody's copyingeverybody all the time. Isn't38100:23:20,999 --> 00:23:24,929before long, you know, after adecade, you end up with a whole38200:23:24,929 --> 00:23:29,489bunch of apps that look almostthe same, really. I mean, they38300:23:29,489 --> 00:23:33,419don't, they'll have slightvariation between them. But the38400:23:33,419 --> 00:23:36,689things they emphasize, but forthe most part, they all have the38500:23:36,689 --> 00:23:40,409same feature set. So then youhave a new thing that comes38600:23:40,409 --> 00:23:45,119along like 2.0, where apps arelike, Okay, we're going to38700:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,079embrace this fully. And we'regonna go we're gonna start an38800:23:49,079 --> 00:23:53,999app, that right out of gateembraces this? Well, they may38900:23:53,999 --> 00:23:57,449not even those developers maynot care so much about this,39000:23:57,899 --> 00:24:02,879conforming to the legacy mindsetof the legacy milieu of what39100:24:02,879 --> 00:24:08,309these other apps did. So then.So in other people interpret39200:24:08,309 --> 00:24:12,119that as a will, it doesn't itdoesn't even do so.39300:24:12,450 --> 00:24:19,920Yes. So case in point. Pod versde No, I think clips the way pod39400:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,030verse does their clips, andsurfaces them clips of other39500:24:24,030 --> 00:24:28,140shows or shows that you'resubscribed to or not subscribed39600:24:28,140 --> 00:24:30,990to. That's not something thatyou can get an every single39700:24:33,030 --> 00:24:39,420legacy app fountain. I have tosay that Tina really got into39800:24:39,420 --> 00:24:43,680the social networking aspect ofit. She's like, Oh, yeah. All39900:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,010right. So she found a clip. Itwas a simple one because she40000:24:47,010 --> 00:24:49,110found in here you open it up,you get a clip, she found a40100:24:49,110 --> 00:24:51,750clip, he said, who did thisclip. Oh, was Chad F. So then40200:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,540she follows Chad F and now she'slike, Oh, this is cool clip from40300:24:54,540 --> 00:24:58,320a different podcast. And thenshe starts to listen to other40400:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,340podcasts. I mean, I saw it work.before my very eyes, it's not40500:25:02,370 --> 00:25:05,850for me. You know, because I lookat that little alarm bell, and40600:25:05,850 --> 00:25:08,550there's 50 in there and I getanxious and like,40700:25:09,990 --> 00:25:12,360yeah, now add can handle that.That's40800:25:12,390 --> 00:25:15,060like, as long as there's a ClearAll button that you know, so of40900:25:15,060 --> 00:25:19,200course I don't use it. SometimesI'll dive into Explorer. So41000:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,580that's something very, verydifferent. But yeah. On the41100:25:23,580 --> 00:25:27,660other hand, you know, there'sthe Android Auto doesn't work,41200:25:28,140 --> 00:25:31,680you know, so, yeah, I think whatyou said is correct. It doesn't41300:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,250even do CarPlay. You know,where's that's, that's quite,41400:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,220that's quite specific, but thisfunctionality is coming up. And41500:25:38,670 --> 00:25:44,130these to me, it's no differentthan one man rock bands. And41600:25:44,130 --> 00:25:47,640you're gonna have your, your,your core core group, and41700:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,650they're always going to buy themerch, and they show up for41800:25:49,650 --> 00:25:52,560every single release everysingle show. And notice the41900:25:52,830 --> 00:25:59,880similarity for the release. Youget groupies, but usually pretty42000:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,720poor quality.42100:26:02,160 --> 00:26:08,910Voice. You get that thing atlike, here's an example. sleep42200:26:08,910 --> 00:26:12,420timer. There's a lot of apps. Alot of podcasts apps have42300:26:12,420 --> 00:26:12,870asleep.42400:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,200Yeah, that was missing fromcurio caster for a long time.42500:26:16,650 --> 00:26:16,890Yeah,42600:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,740I don't. I have no earthlydesire to ever have that in42700:26:22,740 --> 00:26:26,010half. There's, I'm never gonnago to sleep to a podcast. That's42800:26:26,010 --> 00:26:30,630just not that I would have nevereven thought to suggest such a42900:26:30,630 --> 00:26:33,810thing. There you go. And thenAnd then other people are like,43000:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320Oh, this is a deal breaker. Youknow, okay, okay.43100:26:37,590 --> 00:26:42,060I'm not really kidding. When Isay this. There are software43200:26:42,060 --> 00:26:47,160developers who I follow. Ifollow them for their art for43300:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,680their, for their creations. I'mfortunate enough to work with a43400:26:52,680 --> 00:27:00,750bonafide genius. I mean, VanGogh level, Dave Jones, and Van43500:27:00,750 --> 00:27:08,070Jones. Have done but Alex, butno, but I'm just saying. I still43600:27:08,070 --> 00:27:11,160follow Dave whiners development,even though there's a lot of43700:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,320issues and a lot of chuckling.But I fall and I think that, you43800:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,530know, Rock Band. Yeah, I thinkthere's developers who like43900:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,250Marco, he's also a rockstar in away. And I hate saying that,44000:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,860because the next one is ninjaand all that bullshit Silicon44100:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,340Valley talks about developers.But I'm really making the true.44200:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,590The true comparison. Andsoftware developers in fact used44300:27:34,590 --> 00:27:38,160to sell software in littlebaggies with a disc in there,44400:27:38,460 --> 00:27:44,370very analogous to drugs. But youcan also say it was records or44500:27:44,370 --> 00:27:53,280CDs. So getting to know youraudience, your people who44600:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,180feedback your users, you know,you're almost partners, they're44700:27:57,180 --> 00:28:00,450going to help you make the appbetter, is something that, you44800:28:00,450 --> 00:28:03,930know, I'm sure a lot of peopledo it just subconsciously makes44900:28:03,930 --> 00:28:10,290kind of sense. But is it? Is ita? Is it just a GitHub feedback45000:28:10,290 --> 00:28:12,840loop? Or is it a realconversation that you're able to45100:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,790have surrounding the software toget noticed, and I'm saying I45200:28:17,790 --> 00:28:20,190mean, I don't see it anydifferent than a soft than a45300:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,310podcast product, thatrelationship and that's going45400:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,310that ultimately is going to getthe value that you just feel you45500:28:26,310 --> 00:28:29,670deserve? Or that you put in tothe to the creation, no matter45600:28:29,670 --> 00:28:32,430how the money flows, it willhappen if you if you can build45700:28:32,430 --> 00:28:33,630that kind of communication?45800:28:34,199 --> 00:28:38,009Well, I feel like that'sprobably the same. That really45900:28:38,009 --> 00:28:42,299is the power of open source.When you open and I guess K46000:28:42,329 --> 00:28:45,629Pocket Casts will discover thisover time, when you open source46100:28:45,629 --> 00:28:49,319something and that's why I'maddicted. I'm going to use the46200:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,789word addicted. I think there isa real mindset shift that46300:28:53,789 --> 00:28:58,139happens when people begin toopen source things. You do kind46400:28:58,139 --> 00:29:02,759of get addicted to it. Becausethere's a46500:29:03,149 --> 00:29:12,179it's like, you know what I mean?Like you finally you be like46600:29:12,179 --> 00:29:14,999looking around, you see, no onecares, you take your clothes46700:29:14,999 --> 00:29:17,609off, and then it's like, wow,how come I haven't been doing46800:29:17,609 --> 00:29:19,079this all the time.46900:29:19,499 --> 00:29:21,929And next thing you know, you'rein the supermarket at the deli47000:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,119and you're swinging in thebreeze.47100:29:24,150 --> 00:29:26,550Yeah. And the woman Yeah, yeah.47200:29:27,330 --> 00:29:31,740There's a there's a real sort ofaddictive quality to throwing47300:29:31,740 --> 00:29:35,220things out there and creating afeedback loop. It really isn't47400:29:35,250 --> 00:29:41,280isn't exciting to throwsomething up on a public repo47500:29:41,700 --> 00:29:46,770and see the comments come back,see people making suggestions,47600:29:47,070 --> 00:29:52,350pull requests, those things arethose things are real help and47700:29:52,350 --> 00:29:56,970it makes you feel like it's notjust you going in alone and I47800:29:57,060 --> 00:30:00,750and in there it generatesexcitement about out things.47900:30:01,290 --> 00:30:03,630And this is something I wantedto throw in just before I48000:30:03,630 --> 00:30:07,980forget, and I'm not sure if itbelongs here. But I was thinking48100:30:07,980 --> 00:30:15,420about like if the way people canhelp and participate in invest48200:30:15,450 --> 00:30:21,330in software, I'm just takingthis analogy further. And I was48300:30:21,330 --> 00:30:24,180thinking this morning, like, Ineed to remind people that you48400:30:24,180 --> 00:30:27,030can actually go to some friendsand family and say, hey, you48500:30:27,030 --> 00:30:30,810know, I need 1000 bucks to starta podcast, I can buy some gear,48600:30:30,810 --> 00:30:33,720I can get going, do a little bitof marketing, have a website,48700:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200get a host, etc. And then youknow, I'm from day one, I put48800:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,740you in 50% of the value split.And then you know, it's all48900:30:40,740 --> 00:30:43,110transparent. And then by that,you know, when you see where you49000:30:43,110 --> 00:30:45,720need to where we need to be, orwhatever the number was, then we49100:30:45,930 --> 00:30:50,040reduce that, etc. And it's areally nice way to have people49200:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,650help you out and get startedwith an immediate, many49300:30:52,650 --> 00:30:54,930investors love that when theysee money coming back49400:30:54,930 --> 00:30:58,500immediately, even if it's thesat at a time. Same Same goes49500:30:58,500 --> 00:31:03,750for software, I feel that youknow why if you're doing 4% on49600:31:03,750 --> 00:31:08,370an app, and you need some, somecash to not have to work a49700:31:08,370 --> 00:31:11,790second job, and then you couldput an investor into a split49800:31:11,790 --> 00:31:16,080right away. I'm just my mind isjust running rampid with ideas49900:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,430how we can reform the whole thewhole way we work and podcasting50000:31:20,430 --> 00:31:23,9102.0 is I think a great exampleof just that.50100:31:25,110 --> 00:31:29,730You you want to play this thismight be appropriate for this50200:31:29,730 --> 00:31:33,510clip. There's this so and inGreece, oh my mind because my50300:31:33,510 --> 00:31:38,130son's moving out into anapartment. This this. I don't50400:31:38,130 --> 00:31:42,150know if you've seen apartmentslately, but the rent is50500:31:42,149 --> 00:31:45,449outrageous. $3,000 a month. It'sjust a starter.50600:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,960Yeah, here in Birmingham. Imean, like it's, it's no joke,50700:31:48,990 --> 00:31:52,860two grand, this is a smallmarket. So it means two grand50800:31:52,860 --> 00:31:58,290for, you know, for a decent twobedroom. So it's got like, they50900:31:58,290 --> 00:32:03,780got below that but the you know,the the amenities are what51000:32:03,780 --> 00:32:07,140they're selling. It's likethere's, there's everything. And51100:32:07,470 --> 00:32:07,950now51200:32:08,070 --> 00:32:11,880you will own nothing. Yeah, insuch a51300:32:11,910 --> 00:32:13,320play to get a get rid of thisclip.51400:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,680I saw a leasing offer online, itpopped up on the screen for new51500:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,910apartments near a collegecampus. And their luxury51600:32:20,910 --> 00:32:23,820apartments there obviously forrich kids to go to school. And51700:32:23,820 --> 00:32:30,660they feature a coffee shop, arooftop pool, all these e51800:32:30,690 --> 00:32:36,000electronic sports area with allthis stuff, and free gaming and51900:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,080Wi Fi and all these things. Andit said podcasts studios,52000:32:40,860 --> 00:32:43,440they've built podcast studiosand apartment complex because52100:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,130the kids all want to dopodcasts. They have a selfie52200:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,070screen, a green screen where youcan do all this electronic52300:32:50,070 --> 00:32:52,680stuff. This is what all the kidevery bit all the young people52400:32:52,710 --> 00:32:57,150all want to do this. So therunning joke and what I do for a52500:32:57,150 --> 00:32:59,040living is there's a millionpeople, there's more than a52600:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,190million people out there doingpodcasts. Everybody's doing it.52700:33:02,610 --> 00:33:03,900You guessed it, it's not verygood.52800:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,980That's funny. I mean, like, it'sjust I was thinking when you52900:33:07,980 --> 00:33:11,010were talking I'm like, Well,okay, you get the podcast studio53000:33:12,180 --> 00:33:16,920just have a default split inthere for the for the for the53100:33:16,950 --> 00:33:20,550apartment complex or somethinglike that, that you get you you53200:33:20,550 --> 00:33:23,310repay yourself for theinvestment of the of the53300:33:23,310 --> 00:33:23,880technology.53400:33:23,910 --> 00:33:27,420Sadly, all of this is going tocome crashing down upon itself.53500:33:27,420 --> 00:33:30,060All these other entities aregoing to go away. It's going to53600:33:30,060 --> 00:33:34,410be empty, empty racks. Peoplewill not there's going to be53700:33:34,410 --> 00:33:35,850rats in the hallway.53800:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,680My kids can they both work andgo to school, but they both have53900:33:41,430 --> 00:33:46,440good jobs for their age. Likethey may they both have well54000:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,060paying jobs, part time jobs thatthey use to help get them to54100:33:51,060 --> 00:33:57,030sell through school. And if theycan't even afford these places,54200:33:57,060 --> 00:34:01,830then it's outrageous. It's notgoing to last Yeah. Because54300:34:01,830 --> 00:34:03,570nobody nobody can know54400:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,690that we will we've been throughthat they're free money is over.54500:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,960The you know, there's anotherI've got another clip in here54600:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,930and I think this may be more.I'd like to maybe get into the54700:34:15,930 --> 00:34:20,610namespace when we'd have todefinitely. Okay. So this is54800:34:20,610 --> 00:34:23,700from coder radio, and they werethey were talking about some54900:34:23,700 --> 00:34:27,600other things like get hubscopilot feature, which is, which55000:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640has been a lot in the news. Youknow, do you even know what that55100:34:29,640 --> 00:34:36,030is? Oh, no, I don't. Okay, socopilot is a GitHub thing, where55200:34:36,090 --> 00:34:40,710it's sort of like auto completefor entire sections of code.55300:34:41,310 --> 00:34:46,050Okay, it's supposed to be aIdriven. And the idea here is55400:34:46,050 --> 00:34:49,620that like, Okay, I look it'slike clipping, you know, clip.55500:34:49,650 --> 00:34:51,540Oh, it looks like you're writingan essay.55600:34:51,659 --> 00:34:56,729Alright. Would you like an HTTPrequest? codeblock. Exactly.55700:34:56,729 --> 00:34:56,849That's55800:34:56,849 --> 00:35:00,719exactly what it is. Exactly.It's it's, it's exactly as clip,55900:35:01,319 --> 00:35:04,709as keeps Clippy for developers.So you can say, you know,56000:35:05,039 --> 00:35:11,489functions base, fetch HTTP, andit's like, oh, boom,56100:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,039autocomplete. Do you want this?And it gives you a whole56200:35:14,039 --> 00:35:19,049function, this does an HTTP getrequest. And you're like, okay,56300:35:19,049 --> 00:35:21,809and you hit Tab and you've got afunction. So and it's supposed56400:35:21,809 --> 00:35:27,989to be like aI driven. But thenwhat happens is, people start56500:35:27,989 --> 00:35:31,109noticing this code looks reallyfamiliar. Of course, they would,56600:35:31,109 --> 00:35:33,569of course, this is gonna happen.And then there's like,56700:35:33,569 --> 00:35:37,049supposedly, the setting in therewhere you can go in and turn off56800:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,689certain licensed software,there's a GPO, I guess you can56900:35:42,689 --> 00:35:46,559just set your restrictions ofhow it filters in certain57000:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,269situations. You can you autocomplete this thing. And it is57100:35:51,299 --> 00:35:55,799exact code out of people'srepositories. Like it's just57200:35:55,829 --> 00:35:57,149life and just code57300:35:57,180 --> 00:35:59,460Oh, just pulling it fromanywhere that it knows that it57400:35:59,460 --> 00:36:03,090lives inside its repos. And thenit just like, boop, autocomplete57500:36:03,090 --> 00:36:03,870that oh, that's,57600:36:04,289 --> 00:36:07,139like identical, like I did thisguy shows like screenshots of57700:36:07,139 --> 00:36:12,329like, Hey, here's my matrixfunction or whatever over here57800:36:12,329 --> 00:36:15,179on the left, and here's whatGitHub copilot suggests, and57900:36:15,179 --> 00:36:16,079they look identical.58000:36:16,109 --> 00:36:18,809So here's an open source thecode, he's just using GitHub58100:36:18,809 --> 00:36:24,389right? Now, can I just say, Doesthis surprise anybody, we knew58200:36:24,389 --> 00:36:27,779this would happen. We knew thateventually it would get evil58300:36:27,779 --> 00:36:29,759once it was sold. Hello.58400:36:30,990 --> 00:36:34,530So anyway, they that's the topicthey're on. And they get on to58500:36:34,530 --> 00:36:40,470this, this thing of how to howto handle GitHub issues. And,58600:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,560and I go and just go and playand then we'll comment on58700:36:43,799 --> 00:36:45,989every project is unique.Everybody has different use58800:36:45,989 --> 00:36:48,209cases, because you could arguethat also in a free software58900:36:48,209 --> 00:36:51,389project, people open up a lot ofbogus PRs, and a lot of bogus59000:36:51,389 --> 00:36:54,689issues that the projects nevergoing to touch. And they pile up59100:36:54,689 --> 00:36:57,869and they pile up and they becomeoverwhelming and demotivating to59200:36:57,869 --> 00:37:00,599the developers, because theyhave hundreds of open issues59300:37:00,809 --> 00:37:02,309that they're never going totouch, but they don't know what59400:37:02,309 --> 00:37:05,489to do. Like we have a smallGitHub for Jupiter broadcasting.59500:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,919And that's already come up acouple of times, as like, what59600:37:07,919 --> 00:37:09,839do you do with these issues thatdon't really fit here? They're59700:37:09,839 --> 00:37:11,699not really a problem. They'remore of somebody's opinion,59800:37:11,879 --> 00:37:14,729like, what do you do? Do youjust close it? Do you do say59900:37:14,729 --> 00:37:17,129thanks for your contribution?Then close it? Do you just let60000:37:17,129 --> 00:37:19,199something come along and cleanit up? Like there really is60100:37:19,199 --> 00:37:20,159never a right answer?60200:37:20,820 --> 00:37:22,980Oh, yeah, I know the answer. Youjust swipe left.60300:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,500That's it. We have this issuealready on the60400:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,890horse, of course. And I think ifwe didn't have podcasts index60500:37:31,890 --> 00:37:34,530dot social, I think it wouldhave been a lot worse, a60600:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,480lot worse. Yeah. And there's 133issues open in the namespace60700:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,620now. And he and I want toemphasize the thing that he60800:37:43,620 --> 00:37:48,180said, which is, there's no goodanswer to what to do with some60900:37:48,180 --> 00:37:53,280of these. There's like, you goback, and then let's just let me61000:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,290just flip through here and seeif I can pick one at random.61100:37:55,740 --> 00:38:03,330Okay, well, here's one forpodcast ID feedback from, like61200:38:03,330 --> 00:38:08,340December of 2020. And, or here'sone from shared and61300:38:08,340 --> 00:38:12,060subscribable, block lists fromBrian of London from December of61400:38:12,060 --> 00:38:17,4302020. I mean, I don't know whatto do with this. It's possible61500:38:17,430 --> 00:38:22,290that there may be content inhere is useful. But then again,61600:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,690I'm like, Well, I mean, ifnothing has been done with this61700:38:24,690 --> 00:38:29,310in two years, what am I supposedto do with this issue? And the61800:38:29,370 --> 00:38:34,080the point he makes that when newpeople come to the namespace61900:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,120repo, and they see 133 openissues, it looks like we're not62000:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,860doing anything. It looks likeprogress is not being made,62100:38:43,860 --> 00:38:46,530because there's just thisimmense amount of open issues.62200:38:47,190 --> 00:38:47,520You know,62300:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,140I'm not asking your advice.Maybe we ask people to go review62400:38:52,140 --> 00:39:00,810their open issues and prune selfprune, maybe rewrite. I mean,62500:39:00,810 --> 00:39:05,250it's going to be a small group,I would say, Now, how many 133?62600:39:05,250 --> 00:39:11,940You said, magic number 133. Howmany of those are Daniel J.62700:39:11,940 --> 00:39:20,550Lewis? About 100? Daniel J.62800:39:23,430 --> 00:39:26,550Okay, Daniel's a perfectexample. Thank you for bringing62900:39:26,550 --> 00:39:31,050him up. I don't I don't knowwhat to do with a lot of his63000:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,860issues, because they are morelike, a lot of them are more63100:39:34,860 --> 00:39:42,000like commentary than they are,like, action items. Right? Some,63200:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,490some of them are but a lot oftimes it's like, here's what I63300:39:44,490 --> 00:39:48,960think should be, you know,changed or what?63400:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,840Well, how are these? I'm sorry,you know, how are these63500:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,540candidates fries? Can youcategorize them? Because if you63600:39:54,540 --> 00:39:57,870look at it, I mean, so theirsuggestions, you know, gets a63700:39:57,870 --> 00:40:01,500ranking. Probably a low we'reranking their stuff. I mean,63800:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,250there's obviously there's stuffthat that isn't an immediate63900:40:05,250 --> 00:40:09,510benefit to someone or a bug. Andbug is, of course, clear what64000:40:09,510 --> 00:40:11,520needs to be done with that andneeds to be put in the bug64100:40:11,520 --> 00:40:18,720queue. But can you with GitHub,can you rank that for a view64200:40:18,750 --> 00:40:22,530somehow that we can just findout what needs to be done? We64300:40:22,530 --> 00:40:24,750need a secretary, we need anintern. There we go.64400:40:24,839 --> 00:40:29,429It's yes, we need an intern. Iknow, I know as I get it, yes.64500:40:29,429 --> 00:40:32,039You have to read the issues.Understand that as keep suit and64600:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,199like, in the problem is, okay,here's the issue. I don't want64700:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,889to come across as a dick. Youknow, I don't want to be like,64800:40:41,219 --> 00:40:43,679Okay, well, I'm closing this isI mean, yeah, well, that wasn't64900:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,019important. That issue wasimportant to me. I spent65000:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,449well, then why are you worried?Why are you worried? If people65100:40:48,449 --> 00:40:51,389show up and think that out? Theydon't respond to anything.65200:40:52,529 --> 00:40:55,349That's people who haven'tactually looked. I mean, that65300:40:55,349 --> 00:40:58,409seems to be the core problem.The problem is we look like65400:40:58,409 --> 00:41:00,749we're not responding to what'syour taking? Personally, I65500:41:00,749 --> 00:41:01,169think,65600:41:02,490 --> 00:41:06,450maybe me and maybe, like, Idon't want to be the the65700:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600dictator that's like No, encloseit65800:41:09,630 --> 00:41:14,220now just close it and then signit as James. Oh,65900:41:15,780 --> 00:41:19,080that's a perfect, that's, that'slike a perfect weasel solution66000:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,400to this problem. I love it.66100:41:20,789 --> 00:41:26,189James do it. Alright. But Iunderstand and I think that66200:41:26,189 --> 00:41:29,519first thing is, everybody canjust go take a look and see if66300:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,489you're open issues are stillrelevant. If it's really an66400:41:32,489 --> 00:41:36,269issue, has it maybe been hashedout somewhere else? And then66500:41:36,269 --> 00:41:39,269just close it? Close, close yourclosure stuff?66600:41:40,230 --> 00:41:43,230Okay, that's a good way to havebecause Helford a round one,66700:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,920round one. Everybody closedtheir own stuff. If they're not,66800:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,310if they're not super proud ofit, or if they don't really,66900:41:50,310 --> 00:41:55,530really believe in it strongly.And then I will go through and67000:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,310make make the aihole sweep inand start cleaning stuff up.67100:41:59,309 --> 00:42:00,689I think that's fair. That'sfair.67200:42:01,470 --> 00:42:03,900I mean, like, because theyalways be reopened, they can67300:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,910just, you know, they can alwaysbe where you guys reopen it, you67400:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,240can you can petition, you canpetition to me or James and say,67500:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,560hey, you know, I spent two hourson this proposal and I don't you67600:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960know, why, why did you close it?And lo, okay, we'll reopen it.67700:42:18,329 --> 00:42:21,869Before we get into thenamespace, I have a specific67800:42:22,859 --> 00:42:28,739thing to discuss about podpaying live and the reason codes67900:42:28,739 --> 00:42:32,249and everything. I guess that iskind of namespaces and is the68000:42:32,249 --> 00:42:35,309reason code. Reason code isnamespace now,68100:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,650that's popping. Not namespace.But that's okay. We can bounce68200:42:40,650 --> 00:42:41,070in and out.68300:42:41,820 --> 00:42:45,570Okay, yeah, right now it'sconfused. Anyway, here's what I68400:42:45,570 --> 00:42:50,850was thinking. So I got this100%, retro station, and they're68500:42:50,850 --> 00:42:55,620up and streaming. And so nowthey, you know, they have68600:42:55,620 --> 00:42:59,130probed, actually, that they havespecial promos, and they have68700:42:59,130 --> 00:43:03,660things that they announce. Butthey have personalities. And68800:43:03,660 --> 00:43:07,290these personalities start at acertain time during the day. So68900:43:07,290 --> 00:43:11,880let's say they have over a 24hour period, there's probably69000:43:11,880 --> 00:43:18,390four personalities that do a NEOtotal of half of that. And what69100:43:18,630 --> 00:43:21,720what they're about to startstreaming along with their69200:43:21,720 --> 00:43:27,930stream is metadata. So I wasthinking, Is there a way to have69300:43:27,930 --> 00:43:35,580a reason code for a live a livestation in this case, where you69400:43:35,580 --> 00:43:40,260can send out an alert when thewhen the host starts, you know,69500:43:40,260 --> 00:43:43,170so you're already live? I mean,maybe it's just you just ping it69600:43:43,170 --> 00:43:46,410live and say, you know, and youtitle the episode differently.69700:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,930You say, Here's Kim wild orwhatever, she happens to have a69800:43:48,930 --> 00:43:51,750show on a station. Does thatmake any sense?69900:43:51,930 --> 00:43:55,080That's a really interestingidea. I like that a lot. So it's70000:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,780for long running live, where youwant to be notified of things70100:44:00,780 --> 00:44:03,540that happen inside that. Yeah.70200:44:03,869 --> 00:44:08,669And interestingly, the same timewhen you know, so they have70300:44:08,849 --> 00:44:12,059their version of a newsletter isa promo. And I'd be like, this70400:44:12,059 --> 00:44:20,159week, you know, it's what wasit? Whose birthday was it? There70500:44:20,159 --> 00:44:24,269was a Darren Darren even playeda hole but not anyway, so. So70600:44:24,269 --> 00:44:26,609it's birthday week, and we'regonna play different songs. They70700:44:26,609 --> 00:44:31,079have little promo and so youwant that promo? I mean, that70800:44:31,139 --> 00:44:36,779that just goes in and as anepisode. And I mean, and so now,70900:44:36,929 --> 00:44:41,129the question is, do you notifypeople of the promo just in the71000:44:41,129 --> 00:44:44,789regular way the podcast would,which I think is yes. Or do you71100:44:44,819 --> 00:44:48,449also hit the pod ping aboutthat? I mean, that made me too71200:44:48,449 --> 00:44:54,239complicated. But for now. I'mlooking to figure out how I can71300:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,729take metadata because they haveno technology. This is just me71400:44:59,729 --> 00:45:02,549help. And I'm out just dreamingshit up because it's cool to do,71500:45:02,549 --> 00:45:06,659right. That's why I want to haveextra stuff in in 2.0. So I've71600:45:06,659 --> 00:45:11,159just figured out a way to getthis metadata to filter it, and71700:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,119then have a list of names. Sowhen it pops up, Ben Librans in71800:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,379the mix, live now, boom, that'swhen you want to fire off a pod71900:45:19,379 --> 00:45:23,849ping in, you know, new host, orwhatever the reason code is72000:45:24,149 --> 00:45:28,919something that maybe, maybe itfalls under the same stuff, or72100:45:28,919 --> 00:45:31,469maybe there is a reason to giveit a special reason.72200:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,380Okay, so here's how here's howto approach this from, from an72300:45:37,410 --> 00:45:41,610idea, or, here's, here's the themental framework to approach72400:45:41,610 --> 00:45:45,900this from a pod ping, in thethings that happen within pod72500:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,610ping, are meant to reflectthings that happen in the feed.72600:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,600So the feed if the feed doesn'tchange, right, and there72700:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,780shouldn't be a pod pain in anyway. So the the pod ping, pod72800:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,770ping is supposed to be an alertsystem that says, hey, an event72900:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,930just happened in the feed, gocheck the feed. Right. So if you73000:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,960that's, this is appropriate,though, if the event that73100:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,320happened is that the person tagchanged from host, Kim wild to73200:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,220host that Dutch name you saidthat I can't pronounce. That is73300:46:26,220 --> 00:46:30,870an event. And that could be areason code, it could be73400:46:31,110 --> 00:46:36,450something as vague as metadatachange. Or it could be really73500:46:36,450 --> 00:46:42,420specific, like host host swap orhost change or something like73600:46:42,450 --> 00:46:46,590there could be or just person orsomething. So as long as there73700:46:46,590 --> 00:46:50,310as long as the feed had a changeto it. And I would think that in73800:46:50,310 --> 00:46:53,820this in this regard, we wouldwant that to happen. We would73900:46:53,820 --> 00:46:57,540want there to be in the liveitem, a person tag that has the74000:46:57,540 --> 00:47:01,710current host in it is that aslong as there's an event, as74100:47:01,710 --> 00:47:04,650long as the feed changed in someway, yeah, for sure. So my old74200:47:04,650 --> 00:47:05,640pod ping makes sense.74300:47:05,670 --> 00:47:10,770And my ultimate goal with this,of course, is to is to get their74400:47:10,770 --> 00:47:14,880on air talent. And and I thinkmost of them actually do it live74500:47:15,180 --> 00:47:19,980to get them to interact in realtime with with booster grams.74600:47:21,330 --> 00:47:24,660I got you, I guess. Okay, soanyway, well, it's the you know,74700:47:24,660 --> 00:47:30,600like, Stephen, use this exampleof no agenda live stream. As74800:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,080long you know, it's 24/7. And sothere really could be, there74900:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,430could be a feed for the in astream. And it could do this75000:47:38,430 --> 00:47:41,580exact same thing. That may be away to sandbox this,75100:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,850play around with who I likedthat idea. Now you're talking75200:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,189in the it could be value blockupdated, there could be a value75300:47:50,189 --> 00:47:52,589block in the live stream thatupdates in their pod pin goes75400:47:52,589 --> 00:47:55,949out for that along with theperson change, or some you know,75500:47:56,069 --> 00:48:01,169like the metadata change. Itmakes sense, I guess we'll just75600:48:01,169 --> 00:48:05,219have to come around. I don'tknow on the fly, whether it75700:48:05,219 --> 00:48:08,699makes sense to have just sort ofdone something that's generic,75800:48:08,759 --> 00:48:15,569like that falls under sort of avague, this type of thing75900:48:15,569 --> 00:48:19,469updated or to get real specificwith a general generally76000:48:19,469 --> 00:48:21,779speaking, it's best to be asvague as possible with these76100:48:21,779 --> 00:48:26,399things. So that you know, likeyou instead of going down four76200:48:26,399 --> 00:48:28,559levels, you may maybe you stopat two.76300:48:29,729 --> 00:48:32,249All right, well just wanted tothrow that out there kind of get76400:48:32,249 --> 00:48:33,509us started.76500:48:34,020 --> 00:48:39,300That's a great idea. I dig thata lot cool. Because you can see76600:48:39,300 --> 00:48:44,850the you can see the usefulnessof it. Because if you if you go76700:48:44,850 --> 00:48:51,810out months or however long thisthis thing takes Can you imagine76800:48:51,810 --> 00:48:56,430that you know live streamingbecomes more and more of a thing76900:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,520within this you're going to runinto this issue and there's77000:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,240going to be things like thiswhere you're going to need to77100:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,570signal a change midstream. Yeah,dig it as it is great. That's a77200:49:06,570 --> 00:49:07,260great idea.77300:49:07,860 --> 00:49:12,840Okay, so I made a their own chatroom.77400:49:14,340 --> 00:49:16,170So when you well what is it IRCor?77500:49:16,530 --> 00:49:20,340Yeah, it's just it's justanother room on the on the void77600:49:20,340 --> 00:49:21,660zero dotnet server.77700:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,110are they interacting with likelive are they?77800:49:25,740 --> 00:49:31,320No, I don't think anyone No. Notyet. Like the owner, the guy,77900:49:31,350 --> 00:49:34,980the guy who owns it, he's stillhis head is still reeling78000:49:34,980 --> 00:49:39,390because I set him up with a witha get Alby. Now, I'm maintaining78100:49:39,390 --> 00:49:43,590their feed just for now becausethey got nothing, you know. He78200:49:43,590 --> 00:49:47,040wasn't ever expecting to go inthis direction have this as some78300:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,110additional thing. So he's outthere, making advertising deals.78400:49:52,290 --> 00:49:56,220And I say hold my beer Hold on asecond. Let me just put this in78500:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,340here and I show him a boosterGraham. He says why? So yeah,78600:49:59,340 --> 00:50:01,470that's my list. That's moneycoming in. Look, I'm just78700:50:01,470 --> 00:50:06,840listening. That's money comingin. He's what? He's already78800:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,370like, he can't wait to show hisinvestors. Like, yeah, we have78900:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,300we have revenue.79000:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,110We have $379100:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,250we have revenue. Yeah.79200:50:20,790 --> 00:50:22,650I like it. Okay. Yeah, that's,that's really79300:50:22,650 --> 00:50:27,330neat. The namespace, morenamespace or the namespace, see79400:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,490where it will go with theirname, you're in charge of the79500:50:29,490 --> 00:50:32,190name. I said, you keep us on thenamespace rails today.79600:50:33,449 --> 00:50:41,879Z. So there's one thing is isspeeding up speeding up to the79700:50:41,879 --> 00:50:51,239TX T. Adoption. So I think thatif nobody has anything else to79800:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,519add or or any showstopper ideasor anything like that, I think79900:50:56,519 --> 00:51:00,719we should go ahead and formalizeor, excuse me, not formalized.80000:51:00,719 --> 00:51:08,459But finalize, the podcast TX T.Tag is like soon like the like80100:51:08,459 --> 00:51:12,179maybe November the first? Yeah,I'm good with that. Because it's80200:51:12,179 --> 00:51:16,439a simple tag is really not. Imean, it's truly not much to it.80300:51:16,439 --> 00:51:22,499I mean, it's just a text box,essentially. And then there's,80400:51:23,009 --> 00:51:27,839there's already prior art withDNS. So we kind of know how80500:51:27,839 --> 00:51:33,059these sorts of things aresupposed to work. And it's been80600:51:33,089 --> 00:51:35,159like in the works for a longtime. And we've we've been80700:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,669talking about it, notnecessarily on the GitHub, but80800:51:38,669 --> 00:51:41,309way before it was posted as aproposal, we already sort of80900:51:41,309 --> 00:51:47,099knew what we were, what we wereafter. And then the other thing81000:51:47,099 --> 00:51:52,469is, like, are early next year,Apple is going to start81100:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,679recommending officially thatpeople take email addresses out81200:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,039of their feeds, we really haveto have something there sort of81300:51:59,039 --> 00:52:03,629in play kind of quickly. And wealready know this, some hosts81400:52:03,629 --> 00:52:05,939are ready to go with this thing.It's like yeah, I'm gonna, you81500:52:05,939 --> 00:52:09,839know, I'm going to support thisday one. I mean, as long as81600:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,829there's nothing no big you know,showstoppers, I think we should81700:52:13,829 --> 00:52:15,569go ahead and try to do is81800:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,110do we have enough? hosts who arewho are going to make this81900:52:19,110 --> 00:52:22,200switch? Because, you know, Applebe damned as far as I'm82000:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,120concerned. Is it right time forus?82100:52:25,770 --> 00:52:30,090Yeah, I mean, like, Justin, overat transistor, he was like,82200:52:30,090 --> 00:52:34,320Yeah, well, we'll be there dayone. Okay, you know, so, so that82300:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,270anyway, so we have, we havewhat's, you know, the criteria82400:52:39,270 --> 00:52:43,770that we've got to host this saysthey're gonna implement. We've82500:52:43,770 --> 00:52:46,980got at least two we have atleast one of those. And we have82600:52:46,980 --> 00:52:53,370at least one app that's going toimplement it, which is Steven B.82700:52:53,970 --> 00:52:59,760Because he implements everythinghe's Mikey he's all he's, he's82800:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,700the he's the guy in the back inmy back pocket where I can82900:53:02,700 --> 00:53:04,770always say, oh, yeah, we got wegot one app, because there's83000:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,990always gonna be Steven. And thenwe got to and we will do it as83100:53:09,990 --> 00:53:12,810well and podcaster Wallet. Solike, I feel like we've gotten83200:53:12,810 --> 00:53:15,090broad promise of adoptionalready.83300:53:15,210 --> 00:53:19,170And just like you can say, Yes,D to B will do you always know83400:53:19,170 --> 00:53:24,240that. That Casta pod will alwaysbe their new feature cast a pod83500:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,020has it cast the pod is like it'slike that car with a million83600:53:28,020 --> 00:53:34,410clowns come out of it. You openthe door this is features man83700:53:34,410 --> 00:53:37,950puppet boop boop boop boop boopwhammy brew83800:53:41,070 --> 00:53:44,100in the reservoir shut the doorlike three seconds. One another83900:53:44,100 --> 00:53:52,200one pops out one final. I likeit. Yeah, this I mean, I think84000:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,430I'm, I think I'm comfortable. Idon't like speeding things and84100:53:56,430 --> 00:53:59,340rushing things like give thingstime to bake. But at the I think84200:53:59,340 --> 00:54:00,930this one's best was ready.84300:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,050That's what I've always likedabout you, Dave. Nice and slow.84400:54:06,179 --> 00:54:07,049Let's not rush this.84500:54:07,469 --> 00:54:10,979Let's not rush. We have we haveour whole lives ahead of us.84600:54:12,329 --> 00:54:15,479Just I mean, I can I can stick atoothpick in this one, and84700:54:15,479 --> 00:54:16,769there's nothing sticking to it.84800:54:16,770 --> 00:54:18,660We're good. Sounds good to me.All right.84900:54:19,260 --> 00:54:24,690All right. The so the other one.I think we just need to get John85000:54:24,690 --> 00:54:28,470Spurlock on to talk about theevents tag. I don't want to do85100:54:28,470 --> 00:54:30,300this really without him becauseI think85200:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,510no, I think you're right. And weneed to schedule for that.85300:54:34,860 --> 00:54:36,600Yeah. Which,85400:54:36,989 --> 00:54:39,659which is my way of saying you'regonna schedule85500:54:42,030 --> 00:54:44,640like, yeah, this I picked it up.I think85600:54:45,690 --> 00:54:48,870we should have our own responsenatural responsibilities for the85700:54:48,870 --> 00:54:50,490production of the show. It works85800:54:50,490 --> 00:54:52,980out. You deal with meat people.85900:54:54,179 --> 00:55:00,599Let me tell you, the math themeat mafia guys and they say 2886000:55:00,599 --> 00:55:04,109year old man I love these guysthis86100:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,020is the neat mafia exactly whoare these people?86200:55:07,079 --> 00:55:11,879It's these these two guys andthey were both college athletes86300:55:11,879 --> 00:55:15,689and after college, you know,their bodies start to give up on86400:55:15,689 --> 00:55:18,749them a whole bunch of weird shitand, and literally like86500:55:18,749 --> 00:55:21,659massively weird shit likestomach issues and you know, 1086600:55:21,659 --> 00:55:27,149years of problems and you know,the commercial on TV, we always86700:55:27,149 --> 00:55:30,539see the lady like she's about togo into the lawyer's office86800:55:30,539 --> 00:55:34,679meeting and like, Oops, sorry, Igotta go take shit. Or like, a86900:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,439singer isn't there to sing, youknow, it's like, where is she87000:55:37,439 --> 00:55:41,699and then the bass players likeall moods are taken to shit. So87100:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,629and actually, they presented inin Bluffton, Georgia at that87200:55:45,629 --> 00:55:49,379beef initiative Summit. Andtheir story is, you know, like,87300:55:49,409 --> 00:55:54,029they just, were kind of out ofideas. I'm just gonna go try87400:55:54,029 --> 00:55:58,019this beef pure pure grass fed,and in their case, grass finish.87500:55:58,439 --> 00:56:02,099And within two weeks, theystarted to heal. And so now, you87600:56:02,099 --> 00:56:04,109know, so now they're on theirown kind of mission. They're87700:56:04,109 --> 00:56:07,469also, you know, they're not justabout beef, but they're about87800:56:07,589 --> 00:56:10,649healthy living, etc. But it'sjust, it's these two millennial87900:56:10,649 --> 00:56:13,859guys. And they're, you know,they're, they're figuring it88000:56:13,859 --> 00:56:16,439out. They're doing value forvalue. They're making a living,88100:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,250talking about whole food and inheat and natural healing. Sounds88200:56:23,250 --> 00:56:28,380like misinformation? Anddisinformation, the mafia. Yeah,88300:56:28,380 --> 00:56:31,080for sure. Am three theinformation Mark,88400:56:31,079 --> 00:56:35,219did we start this thing on time?Or what Brother? Was our timing?88500:56:35,219 --> 00:56:37,889Impeccable for once mine foronce.88600:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,090But what what of a dozenpossible things? Are you88700:56:42,090 --> 00:56:42,690referring to?88800:56:42,900 --> 00:56:48,510The index the index? Yeah. Andthe and the and the streaming88900:56:48,510 --> 00:56:52,680sets, you know, the value forvalue is like, every single day,89000:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,320more and more people arestarting to see this as the as89100:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,900an option? And certainly, theindex itself, what an what a89200:57:00,930 --> 00:57:04,140valuable piece of work thatyou've you put together here.89300:57:04,140 --> 00:57:05,970Well, everyone has put togetherof course,89400:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,490well, as long as I don't breakit with love of dating. We're89500:57:08,489 --> 00:57:11,549good. That's part of the charm.Now that's part of why we're89600:57:11,549 --> 00:57:12,869here. Right in the rocket rod89700:57:12,870 --> 00:57:15,630the right, you know, do you knowthe end of Dr. Strangelove? Yes.89800:57:17,310 --> 00:57:23,430Run the run the nuke? Yeah, Ithink. Yeah, I think we just89900:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,690need to have John on and talkabout talk about advance because90000:57:27,690 --> 00:57:32,370I already had some conversationsoffline about about it. People90100:57:32,370 --> 00:57:36,030have some ideas, people havesome concerns. And so like,90200:57:36,030 --> 00:57:39,990rather than try to like, rehasheverything here in this slow90300:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,720motion thing, I'll just, I'llschedule him. And we'll have a90400:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,590whole episode dedicated to justlike hashing out what that would90500:57:46,590 --> 00:57:47,490mean, a whole90600:57:47,489 --> 00:57:53,039episode. Oh, 15 minutes? Comeon. We're running the show here.90700:57:55,019 --> 00:58:00,059Okay, we will have will, you canpencil it in and then we'll90800:58:00,089 --> 00:58:02,579we'll send out a pod ping whenwe switch topics mid show.90900:58:05,220 --> 00:58:08,820This is very, very, I'm very,very curious about the about the91000:58:08,820 --> 00:58:12,840immense thing that'd be that'llbe good to dig into. That's91100:58:13,350 --> 00:58:14,130great ideas.91200:58:14,730 --> 00:58:21,630What is live streams? Okay. Youwere talking about switching91300:58:21,630 --> 00:58:29,160hosts and everything. Could alive stream have chapters? Cloud91400:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,820chapters?91500:58:31,829 --> 00:58:35,369Yeah, whoa, yeah, you can sendmetadata. And you can change the91600:58:35,369 --> 00:58:38,099metadata. Like if there's a newsong. Yeah, technically, that's91700:58:38,099 --> 00:58:41,039exactly what it is you'resending. You're sending track91800:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,409data, I think is what it will becalled. In this case.91900:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,380Yeah, I know you're, you'retalking about in the mp3 header.92000:58:46,410 --> 00:58:50,220No, no, no, in the life framethere live stream. Yeah, that's92100:58:50,220 --> 00:58:53,970it streaming mp3 chunks is whatit is. But what I'm talking92200:58:53,970 --> 00:58:58,050about is, is what I'm talkingabout is in the chapters cloud,92300:58:58,110 --> 00:59:01,320could it have a cloud chaptersfile attached to the live92400:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,640stream, and you're updating thecloud chat the chapters JSON92500:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,090file.92600:59:09,059 --> 00:59:13,979And the point would be to have Imean, it's already happening92700:59:13,979 --> 00:59:17,789when you you're listening to astream, the art of the album,92800:59:17,789 --> 00:59:20,159art will change and everythingchanges. So there's your92900:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,589mechanism just how do we tieinto93000:59:23,670 --> 00:59:30,600the problem? Could be here thatthat had to look at the spec,93100:59:30,630 --> 00:59:36,900but the problem here can be thatthe chapters specify an offset.93200:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,740But what what is what is thepoint of the chapter because it93300:59:40,740 --> 00:59:45,930won't be for lookup it'll justbe to switch something. I93400:59:45,930 --> 00:59:50,280understand well, I'm not sure ifif chapters is the right way to93500:59:50,280 --> 00:59:50,640go.93600:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,209Well, I'm talking about like forfor all the things champions do93700:59:54,209 --> 00:59:59,969like image showing an image at acertain moment. Show you know93800:59:59,999 --> 01:00:03,749Showing having a link is all thepower of chapters but within a93901:00:03,749 --> 01:00:04,679live stream. Yeah,94001:00:04,710 --> 01:00:05,880I understand I understand.94101:00:07,049 --> 01:00:11,849The issue here is it doesspecified as offsets, though,94201:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,829because like the chapters arelike, start time. And it's a94301:00:16,829 --> 01:00:18,449number of seconds afters.94401:00:19,679 --> 01:00:24,389What I'm saying is, there's aperfectly functioning system in94501:00:24,389 --> 01:00:31,259place. That works really, reallywell with live streams. So I94601:00:31,259 --> 01:00:35,549don't see why putting that intoa separate chapter file is going94701:00:35,549 --> 01:00:38,099to make it any better, it wouldstill be the same thing.94801:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,129But whatever, I don't know whatyou just say so so like if I94901:00:41,129 --> 01:00:44,969want to say if I want to sendsome. Alright, so let's, let's95001:00:44,969 --> 01:00:49,469say that I'm on pod verse. AndI'm listening to this live95101:00:49,469 --> 01:00:58,109stream right now. How is podverse going to get a chapter95201:00:58,109 --> 01:00:58,709image95301:00:58,740 --> 01:01:03,780by changing the image from apodcast in a live stream95401:01:03,780 --> 01:01:08,580scenario, to get the streameddata that is being sent by the95501:01:08,580 --> 01:01:09,480stream already?95601:01:10,409 --> 01:01:13,649So the street you're sayingthat, then in the ice cast95701:01:13,649 --> 01:01:19,169server in this, in thisscenario, can also send chapter95801:01:19,169 --> 01:01:19,619art?95901:01:20,639 --> 01:01:25,139Yes, a URL, I believe I can wantto take a look. Because here I96001:01:25,139 --> 01:01:32,339have, I can even do it. I thinkI can even do it here. On here,96101:01:32,339 --> 01:01:37,229metadata. Okay, you can do ancy,UTF, eight and that96201:01:37,229 --> 01:01:41,999automatically. So you can sendit you send the information to96301:01:41,999 --> 01:01:46,169your encoder, which you are,which you're streaming from, and96401:01:46,169 --> 01:01:48,899then that gets rebroadcast byyour server?96501:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,160How does it broadcast, it wasthe, it encodes it96601:01:53,159 --> 01:01:59,249in the stream. So the audio wasgoing and a metadata stream, and96701:01:59,249 --> 01:02:01,589it will have a URL for an imageart.96801:02:02,850 --> 01:02:07,500Okay, so this is icecastmetadata. I think that's for now96901:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,940playing information.97001:02:09,420 --> 01:02:10,350I think so. Yeah.97101:02:11,789 --> 01:02:14,789Okay. All right. I need to needto look at that. Because I'm97201:02:16,379 --> 01:02:19,619curious, because I think youguys are going to be at your97301:02:19,619 --> 01:02:23,159station info, which also showsup in certain places, including97401:02:23,159 --> 01:02:29,279an IRC channel, by the way. Andthe metadata? I see.97501:02:30,300 --> 01:02:35,130Because I'm wondering if youcan, okay, this may be the ice97601:02:35,130 --> 01:02:39,450cube soup says it can sendarbitrary text. So if that if97701:02:39,450 --> 01:02:45,990that arbitrary text can be likea JSON blob or some sort of97801:02:46,140 --> 01:02:54,330schema, ID, metadata structure,then then you could just send97901:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,310the chapter data in its standardformat. Yeah, you could do that98001:02:59,460 --> 01:03:02,280along the stream in Yeah. Okay.So you can just like, you just98101:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,100have a rolling chapters file,rather than having to specify98201:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,840one static file that livessomewhere else.98301:03:06,870 --> 01:03:08,940I mean, typically, the way itworks, the way that most98401:03:08,940 --> 01:03:13,110encoders work is, and it none ofit's applicable for what we're98501:03:13,110 --> 01:03:16,080really doing. But you fire up,you know, you have a playlist of98601:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,830songs, that's what they thinkradio is, and and it plays the98701:03:19,830 --> 01:03:24,240song and it takes the mp3 IDthree information from the mp398801:03:24,270 --> 01:03:27,360shoots that through it throughthe encoded stream, and then it98901:03:27,360 --> 01:03:33,600pops up with a image with withtext, album, artists track.99001:03:34,439 --> 01:03:37,289Alright, so that that's a pointof research for me then, because99101:03:37,289 --> 01:03:42,299I mean, there, if you can dothat, then you can also send99201:03:42,359 --> 01:03:44,339emails and lots of thingsthrough that you can listen to99301:03:44,339 --> 01:03:51,119lots of, of, of metadata,structured metadata, for things99401:03:51,269 --> 01:03:54,569like chapters or value blocks,or whatever,99501:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,770I would not want to get too deepinto that at this point. Seeing99601:03:58,770 --> 01:04:04,440as there's really only 10 peopledoing this, and we have a lot of99701:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,470other namespace stuff that itmay take precedence I'm just99801:04:07,470 --> 01:04:11,880trying to, I'm trying to say is,I don't know if that's super99901:04:11,880 --> 01:04:17,640important. At this juncture,it's good. It's fun to look at,100001:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,610for sure. It's just like,100101:04:22,530 --> 01:04:24,510I'm not sure what it's I'm notsure. I don't know, I100201:04:24,510 --> 01:04:30,030guess. If I were to prioritizethings, I would much rather put100301:04:30,030 --> 01:04:34,620effort into seeing how we canget peer tube to work in apps100401:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,560and so we can actually get somevideo going for the live stuff100501:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,260because that's the audiencethat's waiting to leave100601:04:42,780 --> 01:04:44,280the video streamers Oh, yeah.100701:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,320That's, I mean, the YouTubeSuper Chat. We have it all, but100801:04:49,320 --> 01:04:50,070we don't.100901:04:52,320 --> 01:05:00,210What I need I need, Alex gave mean image of the hive writer or a101001:05:00,210 --> 01:05:04,140Docker image of the hive router,this got the captain proto101101:05:04,380 --> 01:05:09,180socket stuff in it. So as soonas I get a chance, I tried to101201:05:09,180 --> 01:05:11,700work on it yesterday, but itdidn't just get caught up. But101301:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,390as soon as I get a chance, I'mgonna get that working hope101401:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,300that's, we gotta get that oneout the door first because that101501:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,990one's important. And then thenonce because that gives us live101601:05:21,990 --> 01:05:27,900reason codes, then then we canmove on to something else. But101701:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,530as on the pod on the pod pinglive front, I guess that one101801:05:31,530 --> 01:05:36,180really has to has to happenpretty quickly, right? Yeah,101901:05:36,210 --> 01:05:36,570okay.102001:05:38,010 --> 01:05:40,650I'm just trying to back your wayfrom too much work, brother.102101:05:41,250 --> 01:05:43,350Gatchaman. nerd.102201:05:44,010 --> 01:05:45,960I'm already afraid of the eventstag.102301:05:48,239 --> 01:05:53,819Yeah, yeah, that's a scary one.Do we want to say,102401:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,570Yeah, let's do that. That's agood idea, a value for value102501:05:57,570 --> 01:06:01,620proposition. This podcast is andthe entire project. That means102601:06:01,620 --> 01:06:05,700that we ask a simple question.Did you get any value from this102701:06:05,700 --> 01:06:08,640show from what we're talkingabout, from any of the guests102801:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,790from any of the information fromthe entire project? Because of102901:06:11,790 --> 01:06:15,000course, we have servers andstuff that needs to run and his103001:06:15,030 --> 01:06:19,620upgrade needs to grow. Just putthat into a number send it to103101:06:19,620 --> 01:06:23,490us? Let us know exactly howvaluable you think it is. You103201:06:23,490 --> 01:06:26,730can do that at podcast.index.org. We still do accept103301:06:26,790 --> 01:06:32,790the PayPal fee at Fun coupons.And is our is our QR code103401:06:32,790 --> 01:06:38,490showing up again. That thing iselusive. Let me go on the103501:06:38,490 --> 01:06:43,500website. Yeah, yeah, cuz it wasnot. No tally. Tally coin is103601:06:43,500 --> 01:06:48,000like I think tally coin mighthave done something different. I103701:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,660gotta check around see if that'sus or them. Anyway, the way the103801:06:51,660 --> 01:06:53,670way you really want to do it isyou want to get an app with a103901:06:53,670 --> 01:06:56,700boost button that I liked theway James positions I think it's104001:06:56,700 --> 01:07:00,330funny look at your app does havea boost button. Oh no. You need104101:07:00,330 --> 01:07:06,990one new podcast. Here's a coupleof the boosts that we've been104201:07:06,990 --> 01:07:09,870receiving during the show andjust prior some pre boosts.104301:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,900There was a well as acompetition. I'll read them in104401:07:12,900 --> 01:07:19,020reverse order 17,776 fromblueberry. Who says it's okay104501:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,890I'll look like an ass. The appsI do my serious listening on104601:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,330have got to have lit no questionabout it in my mind live shows104701:07:27,330 --> 01:07:30,540make up the vast majority of mylistening catalogue. I wish more104801:07:30,540 --> 01:07:34,110apps would take lit seriouslyokay. Then meet his comes in104901:07:34,110 --> 01:07:42,060with 17,777 had to one upblueberry. We encourage this by105001:07:42,060 --> 01:07:45,090the way and there is Dred Scottthe Bruce Wayne of podcasting.105101:07:45,090 --> 01:07:54,2702.0 was 17,778 sets joining theone up club and blueberry boo105201:07:54,270 --> 01:07:58,320furry I'm sorry boo flurry.That's his brother came in at105301:07:58,320 --> 01:08:05,25017,778 SATs as well. And thereis a brand new one from chimp105401:08:05,430 --> 01:08:09,84013,005 79 eating sushi andboosting live boost boost boost105501:08:11,610 --> 01:08:18,090it's I love it when it's a gameboost boosts. 9999 from Burberry105601:08:19,350 --> 01:08:26,040as well, let's see we got we godown the list here. Dred Scott105701:08:26,040 --> 01:08:34,800got us going one time for theone time he says 33,333. Boost105801:08:35,130 --> 01:08:42,480boost Exactly. See servo 3333boosted from the from the cron105901:08:42,480 --> 01:08:44,100tab. Nice.106001:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,580Oh, we got it. We got in someweek. We we slid up into106101:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,450somebody's Cron.106201:08:48,480 --> 01:08:52,830We did it's from the boost CLI Ihad the little logo here. And it106301:08:52,830 --> 01:08:55,470says boosting from the cron tabin parentheses and Friday106401:08:55,470 --> 01:09:00,570October 21 1033 dot o one PDT.2022 cool.106501:09:01,230 --> 01:09:02,550I like that's like,106601:09:02,849 --> 01:09:03,929that's the subscription.106701:09:04,050 --> 01:09:07,830That's the subscription. Yeah,we we have one subscriber that106801:09:07,830 --> 01:09:11,160we like a lot like sliding upinto some nice crontab106901:09:11,969 --> 01:09:21,569sounds dirty? Yeah. Then we haveLyceum with 2222 and a rush107001:09:21,569 --> 01:09:28,1992112. Let me see. This is ofcourse, Martin. Martin107101:09:28,199 --> 01:09:31,199Landeskog. Do you think that theopen source version of Pocket107201:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,619Cast will add podcast 2.0 andvalue for value features? How do107301:09:34,619 --> 01:09:38,309you think automatic that islinked to WordPress could107401:09:38,309 --> 01:09:42,689support a diverse ecosystem ofthird party clients? Oh, this is107501:09:42,689 --> 01:09:47,579a quote. Oh, that's interesting.You know, I think I heard this107601:09:47,639 --> 01:09:51,509so apparently they say they hada quote.107701:09:52,140 --> 01:09:56,640They meaning pocket like aCassie I think automatic. Okay.107801:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,539They like to support a diverseecosystem of three Third Party107901:10:00,539 --> 01:10:05,249clients, I'd have to read thewhole quote kind of, maybe they108001:10:05,249 --> 01:10:08,849just want people to tie intotheir back end our podcast index108101:10:08,849 --> 01:10:11,609possible. Possible108201:10:11,610 --> 01:10:12,930open source.108301:10:13,500 --> 01:10:19,800Could be could be anyway. Thatwould be they'll be interesting108401:10:19,830 --> 01:10:21,120to see if that happens. Maybe.108501:10:23,010 --> 01:10:25,080There was a I know they havetheir own, they have their own108601:10:25,080 --> 01:10:31,230directory and the day was it isthe guy's name Phil up in there108701:10:31,230 --> 01:10:34,620who were talking to one, I thinkhis name was Philip, that we108801:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,800thought we had a call with thatday from Pocket Casts.108901:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,630And here's the Australian guy,wasn't he? Yeah, that was the109001:10:42,630 --> 01:10:44,250original owner. I guess. Maybenot.109101:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,090I think I think he was cofounder. Yeah. We just see.109201:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,030Yeah, okay. Well, here's here'sthe quote from what Martin is109301:10:51,030 --> 01:10:53,880talking about. We believe thatpodcasting cannot cannot and109401:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,330should not be controlled byApple and Spotify and instead109501:10:57,330 --> 01:11:00,480support a diverse ecosystem. Oh,clients. Okay.109601:11:00,810 --> 01:11:03,420I stopped. Stop stoking uptrouble, Martin.109701:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,260Yeah, it's all makers roll,109801:11:07,260 --> 01:11:08,820man troublemaker control.109901:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,180So but when he when we weretalking to him that day, he you110001:11:15,180 --> 01:11:17,940know, he was like, you know,yeah, we run he was asking me a110101:11:17,940 --> 01:11:21,090lot of stuff about the index andhow we do our directory and that110201:11:21,090 --> 01:11:23,940kind of thing, because they alsorun a directory. Yeah. And one110301:11:23,940 --> 01:11:27,210of the things we briefly chattedabout in he was interested in110401:11:27,210 --> 01:11:32,160working on in the future is, isa way to share on the back end,110501:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,390you know, share ride day, likewe do with Marco. Yeah, exactly.110601:11:36,390 --> 01:11:40,680So that we're not all recreatingthe wheel independently in five110701:11:40,680 --> 01:11:41,670different silos. Yeah,110801:11:41,670 --> 01:11:43,620we gotta get back. We got tocircle back to that.110901:11:43,980 --> 01:11:46,200Yeah, let's do circle back.circle back.111001:11:46,440 --> 01:11:49,020All right. Who else can we thankDave.111101:11:49,830 --> 01:11:53,670We can thank Marco Arment for a$500 donation that he does every111201:11:53,670 --> 01:11:54,270month with.111301:11:55,260 --> 01:12:01,380Yeah, bolo. Sakala 20 is Blazeonly Impala.111401:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,020Thank you, Marco. Thank you.Yes,111501:12:04,230 --> 01:12:10,230thank you very much. The searchendpoint for the Apple mimic API111601:12:10,230 --> 01:12:15,210is is finished in a shot of anemail about the other day111701:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,980because that's part of thatfallback mechanism he had in111801:12:19,980 --> 01:12:22,530place. Now he's got it, we'vegot look up. We've got the111901:12:22,530 --> 01:12:25,710iTunes ID lookup. And we alsohave the search endpoints. So112001:12:25,950 --> 01:12:32,910those things are for people likeMarco, who rely heavily on who112101:12:32,910 --> 01:12:39,240rely exclusively on the AppleAPI, the iTunes look up API. If112201:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,110you want to what you can dowithout having to change any of112301:12:43,110 --> 01:12:48,630your code, you don't have toswitch over to use the podcast112401:12:48,630 --> 01:12:53,460index as your as your API backend, what you can do is if you112501:12:53,460 --> 01:12:59,610can remain using Apple, and thenyou can put us as a fallback,112601:12:59,940 --> 01:13:06,180and you can just basically, ifApple's API goes down, all you112701:13:06,180 --> 01:13:11,280do is change the host name ofthe URL, query. Everything else112801:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,340stays the same. And you startgetting traffic again. And then112901:13:14,340 --> 01:13:17,490as soon as Apple comes back,online, flip switch, you're113001:13:17,490 --> 01:13:20,160back. You're back on Apple. Sothat's what that's intended for.113101:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,720And so now we I think we I thinkwe have most of the coverage113201:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,280that everybody would need.113301:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,400How much is Apple going todonate for us having their back113401:13:29,400 --> 01:13:29,760here?113501:13:30,330 --> 01:13:33,420Let's see. Oh, I added it upthis morning. It's zero.113601:13:35,069 --> 01:13:36,659Of all the things they couldsupport.113701:13:39,090 --> 01:13:43,230We've got Jennifer never it. I'mgonna say never read instead of113801:13:43,230 --> 01:13:45,870never read to Jennifer. Ifthat's wrong, please let me113901:13:45,870 --> 01:13:52,110know. Jennifer never it says shesent us $17. Again, this was she114001:13:52,110 --> 01:13:55,110sent us money last week.Jennifer appreciate that. And114101:13:55,110 --> 01:13:58,980she says a certain value toy'all. To show my appreciation114201:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,630is oddly satisfying. Why $17 Forthe 17 years of joy being a114301:14:03,630 --> 01:14:08,070podcaster has brought me Wow.Again for the thanks again for114401:14:08,070 --> 01:14:11,640the breath for the breathing newlife into podcasting. I'm as114501:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,060excited today as I was back in2005. When I heard my very first114601:14:15,060 --> 01:14:18,000episode of The Daily sourcecode. Keep on keeping on.114701:14:18,510 --> 01:14:24,150Gee, oh, gee, Jennifer Nice.Wow. Um, thank you. That's114801:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,100really appreciated. That's verynice.114901:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,180That's our pay pals for theweek. She's been with115001:14:30,180 --> 01:14:31,680us a long time Dave.115101:14:32,220 --> 01:14:35,400She has Jennifer good old Janiceremember it? Just like it was115201:14:35,400 --> 01:14:41,760yesterday. Like yesterday. Thevery first podcast? Yes. Okay,115301:14:41,790 --> 01:14:47,310Auburn Citadel on the boostfront. I don't know what's going115401:14:47,310 --> 01:14:54,540on but Auburn Citadel sent usseriously like 1,008,333 said115501:14:54,540 --> 01:14:55,260boosts115601:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,050Oh, did he have a stuck? boostbutton?115701:14:58,739 --> 01:15:02,069I don't I don't know. Oh, Idon't know, but like, okay,115801:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,520but certainly not a million. Howmany if you counted them? All115901:15:05,520 --> 01:15:05,820right.116001:15:06,210 --> 01:15:22,3201-234-567-8910 1112 1314 1516 1718 1920 2122 23What 2930 3130 330-738-3940 goes116101:15:22,320 --> 01:15:32,3404041 42 4340 440-548-4950 Sothese are all 8333 says 50 5050116201:15:32,340 --> 01:15:42,480That's 50 So far, so there'sanother 1-234-567-8910 1112 13116301:15:42,630 --> 01:15:49,860Let me get another teen. Yeah,so 6315 1617 1819 2021 2223 So116401:15:49,860 --> 01:15:58,26063 No. 73 He sent a 73 boost of8333 That's116501:15:58,260 --> 01:16:00,900584,000 Satoshis116601:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,820Oh Sakala 20 is Blaze onlyImpala116701:16:06,540 --> 01:16:10,170I'd say. It looks suspiciouslylike $100 donation is what I'd116801:16:10,170 --> 01:16:13,530say that is perhaps even t shirtworthy.116901:16:14,819 --> 01:16:18,689I think that he may have beentrying to sneak this sneak this117001:16:18,689 --> 01:16:23,429pad this may be Satoshilaundering. He may be sneaking117101:16:23,429 --> 01:16:24,689this past his wife.117201:16:24,989 --> 01:16:30,149We got to KYC Yes, sneaking.Sneaking a pass. Oh, honey, I117301:16:30,149 --> 01:16:32,069just tripped on the boostbutton. Don't worry. It's only117401:16:32,069 --> 01:16:37,2598000 SATs. Oh, no. No, my fatfinger. I did it again. Yes,117501:16:37,619 --> 01:16:39,539it's fine. Which app which appwas it?117601:16:40,590 --> 01:16:47,460Till man? Link it back in look,it was fountain. Okay. All117701:16:47,460 --> 01:16:50,940right. Well, I think you know,because Felton doesn't doesn't117801:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,260do like hold down and it doesmega boosts so I'm thinking oh,117901:16:55,260 --> 01:16:59,070I know what this is. He said hisis per minute.118001:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,110Oh goodness.118101:17:01,710 --> 01:17:06,93028333 Because this Yeah, cuz I'mlooking at the timestamp minute118201:17:06,930 --> 01:17:09,99030 I mean, our 30 minutes ourlive118301:17:09,989 --> 01:17:14,339we basically drained drained hiswallet after 63 minutes.118401:17:16,980 --> 01:17:20,070Oh, no. Well, maybe Okay. Didn'tknow that on accident?118501:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,190No, we'll be happy to send itback. If that was if that was a118601:17:23,250 --> 01:17:26,580an unfortunate user error. Butif not, thank you very much. We118701:17:26,580 --> 01:17:28,410appreciate it. But we're happyto send it back.118801:17:29,550 --> 01:17:32,160The cat fell asleep on the key.Anything's possible.118901:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,710Yeah, no, no, you need totrigger garden these things.119001:17:35,220 --> 01:17:35,580Yep.119101:17:36,150 --> 01:17:41,970Gene Everett gene, also known asgene from our mock 33 333. And119201:17:41,970 --> 01:17:43,440he says boost Yo yo,119301:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,150thank you very much, Jean.Appreciate it.119401:17:47,100 --> 01:17:53,550Mike No, Mike Newman. Hey, Mike.longtown se SATs 5047 through119501:17:53,550 --> 01:17:58,860curio caster. Thank you, Mike.Mike again. 1658. Thank you,119601:17:59,430 --> 01:18:03,120Mike. Nice note. No, neither oneof those though. Oh, the tone119701:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,740record since 2052. With no note.Thank you, Tom. America. 1000119801:18:07,740 --> 01:18:13,350SATs for PTC. BTC June. And themessages that's love bros. Let's119901:18:13,350 --> 01:18:18,360go. He's the OG he's a leader inthis space. He's a leader in120001:18:18,360 --> 01:18:24,360the space in the Magic Quadrant.Yeah. Merlin. Merlin sin is120101:18:24,360 --> 01:18:30,690three 535 40 SATs no note 80,000SATs from Gene been to cast120201:18:30,690 --> 01:18:33,930ematic. And he says here's alittle something to help offset120301:18:33,930 --> 01:18:36,300the Pay Pal debacle. Thanks forwhat y'all do.120401:18:36,750 --> 01:18:39,750Oh, thank you. Thank you. That'sreally nice. Appreciate that.120501:18:39,780 --> 01:18:40,440Boost.120601:18:41,160 --> 01:18:47,730Oh, Roy scheinfeld. Look whoshowed up. Oh. Four 321.120701:18:47,760 --> 01:18:48,930There you go.120801:18:49,470 --> 01:18:52,230And he says, I need to sharewith you all the story behind120901:18:52,230 --> 01:18:56,670the boost confetti. Oh, okay. Iwould love to hear the story.121001:18:56,670 --> 01:18:57,210Oh, Tina.121101:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,910He didn't write it. He just saidI need to share the story.121201:19:00,540 --> 01:19:04,170He said I need to share the no,there's no there's no. He says I121301:19:04,170 --> 01:19:04,770need to share it.121401:19:05,130 --> 01:19:08,100Well, we need to have Roy onagain soon because he's been121501:19:08,100 --> 01:19:10,620updating their podcasting appand breeze as well.121601:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,100Thanks. Yeah, we also it wouldalso be good to have him on to121701:19:20,100 --> 01:19:21,990catch up with some of the stuffthat's been going on the121801:19:22,260 --> 01:19:25,650Lightning Network stuff ingeneral. Yeah. Yeah.121901:19:25,650 --> 01:19:29,490Tomorrow and all this stuff inthe green light. Okay, yeah. Oh,122001:19:29,490 --> 01:19:34,710Colorado. DS laughs 333 saysboost equals love. Oh, it122101:19:34,710 --> 01:19:37,800certainly does. Hold on. I havea boosting loving I should have122201:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,840one loose all this kind of Sir.122301:19:40,139 --> 01:19:48,179Bucha very sappy, sappy de Bozaksince 3333, no note thank you to122401:19:48,179 --> 01:19:54,359Bozak 8334 from mere mortalspodcast, everybody chyron122501:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,079through the fountain app and hesays 1300 or 1400 calories a122601:19:58,079 --> 01:19:59,969day. Somebody gets this man'sbeef122701:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,140So that is yes, indeed. How'sthe beef doing? Are you feeling122801:20:04,140 --> 01:20:04,500good?122901:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,890Oh yeah, I'm doing I'm doing alot better I'm in than working123001:20:07,890 --> 01:20:13,920out and I'm feeling I can tell Ican really feel the benefit of123101:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,810having high quality protein.Like, in a way that it's, I123201:20:18,810 --> 01:20:22,290can't really describe it. It'sjust like, I don't. I can feel123301:20:22,290 --> 01:20:25,170that my muscles are getting thethings that they need this I123401:20:25,170 --> 01:20:26,940don't have the fatigue is a lotbetter,123501:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,450actually. And you feel morecaveman ish.123601:20:31,230 --> 01:20:32,400Yes,123701:20:32,430 --> 01:20:36,300right. Am I right? And yeah, andjust just keep eating that man.123801:20:36,330 --> 01:20:39,780And we just got some raw milk.Actually, the meat mafia guys123901:20:39,780 --> 01:20:43,560brought a like a two versus athree gallon jug of raw milk.124001:20:44,940 --> 01:20:46,500Goat milk or cow milk124101:20:46,500 --> 01:20:47,880cow mill. Oh, man.124201:20:48,780 --> 01:20:51,030That's all WestEd grass. Oh,yeah. Oh, yeah.124301:20:51,030 --> 01:20:55,260And it's, it's from LaGrange,Texas. It was almost like a124401:20:55,260 --> 01:20:56,130milkshake.124501:20:56,970 --> 01:21:01,350Oh, well. So is it the kindwhether it is the non non124601:21:01,350 --> 01:21:03,600homogenized where the creamfloats to the top and you gotta124701:21:03,600 --> 01:21:04,560shake it straight124801:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,190from the cow.124901:21:05,790 --> 01:21:10,860Oh, love it straight from that.Yeah. Yeah. They used to we used125001:21:10,860 --> 01:21:17,130to buy raw milk up inWoodinville, which is about 45125101:21:17,130 --> 01:21:20,670minutes north of here. We usedto live up there. And we would125201:21:20,670 --> 01:21:24,840buy raw goat's milk. And onthese pastured goats, it was125301:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,670delicious. But they like to getaround the raw milk rules. The125401:21:30,420 --> 01:21:33,030very late called Yeah, secrethandshake.125501:21:33,450 --> 01:21:37,350Everything they had it labeledthat a sticker on everyone that125601:21:37,350 --> 01:21:41,850said, not for human consumption.Oh, of course. Yes. Exactly. God125701:21:41,850 --> 01:21:43,530no, no, I'm buying this for mydoll125801:21:43,530 --> 01:21:46,710for the dog. Exactly. For thechickens. The chickens? Yes.125901:21:47,910 --> 01:21:51,780Cast VLAN 3690 Because it's justa boost. Thanks for fixing the126001:21:51,780 --> 01:21:52,200world.126101:21:52,230 --> 01:21:55,200We love just the boost anytimebut126201:21:56,460 --> 01:22:02,010mere mortals podcast 12 3453from chyron. He says as much as126301:22:02,010 --> 01:22:04,680I love Bitcoin and all theamazing work on the tags. The126401:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,290idea that stuck in my head andmade me have some sleepless126501:22:07,290 --> 01:22:10,950nights was V for V. The exactreason I decided to create a126601:22:10,950 --> 01:22:14,070whole show around it. That'sright. That's right, we get126701:22:14,700 --> 01:22:15,900value for value podcast. And126801:22:15,900 --> 01:22:17,640we we love that show.126901:22:18,510 --> 01:22:23,640Gene been with some late 1337sets their cast dramatic and127001:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,980he's got more coffee. Sorry. Mecoffee.com Does subscriptions127101:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,530and is backed by stripe,assuming I understand things127201:22:31,530 --> 01:22:32,010correctly.127301:22:33,060 --> 01:22:38,310Yes. So I had my meeting withthe ibex team. Yeah, love these127401:22:38,310 --> 01:22:42,780guys. So right away, they set meup, you know, so now I have a127501:22:44,250 --> 01:22:47,700right now, I just had the basicsystem so I can generate a QR127601:22:47,700 --> 01:22:53,430code on chain or lightning itwhen it's paid, it goes straight127701:22:53,430 --> 01:22:56,250through and goes into the bankaccount. So that part works127801:22:56,250 --> 01:23:02,550beautifully. Now they are addingthe the guess there's a whole127901:23:02,550 --> 01:23:05,280nother piece to it that theyhave that they now connect to it128001:23:05,310 --> 01:23:09,090where you get the gist encodethe just write the URL like you128101:23:09,090 --> 01:23:15,000would a Pay Pal link. So thatthat's gonna work and, and128201:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,760lightning address. So you know,yeah. And,128301:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,950well, the wood well known thing,128401:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,590the dot well known thing, andthey totally like keys and128501:23:28,620 --> 01:23:32,550totally, they're gonna do itall. There now of course all128601:23:32,550 --> 01:23:36,330jacked up. Like why should we beproviding stats? I said, I don't128701:23:36,330 --> 01:23:38,820know, man. He's what I'll bedoing. You know, here's what128801:23:38,820 --> 01:23:42,300heli pad does maybe accomplishsome great idea. I don't know.128901:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,830But it's it's pretty decent. Itreally is the but the team is129001:23:46,830 --> 01:23:50,580great. There's just a doozy ASICto build this.129101:23:51,300 --> 01:23:54,840Here's what they should do.Should I don't like that word? I129201:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,560should take that. I should takethat word away. Yes, yes, yes.129301:23:58,590 --> 01:24:05,220Okay, here's what they could do.They could make a general129401:24:05,220 --> 01:24:10,620purpose API, where you as thepodcaster can authorize other129501:24:10,650 --> 01:24:15,330third parties to give you stats,so that you can get Oh, sure.129601:24:15,330 --> 01:24:18,660Yeah. I'll be great. Yeah,great.129701:24:18,809 --> 01:24:23,039Well, I'll recommend that tothem. I mean, for me, I'm sorry,129801:24:23,039 --> 01:24:26,039the reason why we're discussingit was the subscription part. So129901:24:26,039 --> 01:24:29,579they they already have a productin the works, and they will130001:24:29,579 --> 01:24:33,779present to me when they'reready. But I think no agenda may130101:24:33,779 --> 01:24:40,139be able to receive on chain andlightning in the next week or130201:24:40,139 --> 01:24:40,439two.130301:24:41,430 --> 01:24:43,470That fast Wow. Well, they'reonly130401:24:43,860 --> 01:24:46,830technically it's, it's working.It's, you know, just need the130501:24:46,830 --> 01:24:51,960URLs to encode. And, you know,for for no agendas purposes,130601:24:52,530 --> 01:24:57,570getting the keys and workingwhich I mean they are they they130701:24:57,570 --> 01:24:59,010pretty much have all the pieces,130801:24:59,550 --> 01:25:02,700so they're good So let me let memake sure I understand they,130901:25:02,730 --> 01:25:11,040they are going to have a keysend a Kison enabled wallet131001:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,870there. And they're going to,they're on their platform and131101:25:15,870 --> 01:25:20,010they are going to settle it intoUS Dollars immediately.131201:25:22,290 --> 01:25:26,820So you can set a slider, you cansay I want, you know, like 10%131301:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,710Fiat fun coupons and 90% keep itin Bitcoin or you can slide it131401:25:31,710 --> 01:25:36,480any way you want. And so that,of course, it's very inefficient131501:25:36,480 --> 01:25:44,340to do direct for small depositsthrough the A was an ACH, the131601:25:44,340 --> 01:25:47,100Clearinghouse, yes. So they'lldo that once every night, they131701:25:47,100 --> 01:25:49,770aggregate all the payments ofthe day, and then put and then131801:25:49,770 --> 01:25:50,490send them over.131901:25:50,970 --> 01:25:54,060And they're gonna give you aseparate metadata file that has132001:25:54,090 --> 01:25:56,700all of like a booster gramdonations and stuff.132101:25:56,820 --> 01:26:00,510Well, again, it's not it's notgoing to work with KY sand off132201:26:00,510 --> 01:26:01,050the bat.132301:26:01,980 --> 01:26:04,170But when they get that part whenthey get to that,132401:26:04,380 --> 01:26:09,000yes, I believe, I believe so.And if I look at the if I look132501:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,310at their interface now give me asecond I can tell you here's132601:26:14,310 --> 01:26:17,100what I get from them now cuz Idid get the Excel sheet it was132701:26:17,130 --> 01:26:20,160because I'm like, You got tohave an Excel export or I can't132801:26:20,160 --> 01:26:27,420live on a second managersaccounts. Right now I just need132901:26:27,420 --> 01:26:33,570to do this two days earlier.Okay, let me see. CSV. Let me133001:26:33,570 --> 01:26:36,660just see transactions. Let metell you the fields that it has133101:26:36,660 --> 01:26:41,490now, which was very encouraging.I recall here we go. dispersed133201:26:41,490 --> 01:26:45,810date, date created date, settledaccount, information, account133301:26:45,810 --> 01:26:51,870name, total. millesime, that'stotal amount, currency currency133401:26:51,870 --> 01:27:00,690conversion. Oh, even put thefees in there. And then they133501:27:00,690 --> 01:27:06,240have invoice fields, memo,field, Name field, all the stuff133601:27:06,240 --> 01:27:10,230you want for, you know, to befilled up with either donation133701:27:10,230 --> 01:27:13,650node or a booster gram. So yeah,that point will take a little133801:27:13,650 --> 01:27:18,510bit, but once we get this partgoing, then at least we can we133901:27:18,510 --> 01:27:19,500can have it you know?134001:27:19,980 --> 01:27:25,050Yes. So that is if somebodywants to be donate, I think it's134101:27:25,050 --> 01:27:29,220was like 250 or above us dollarsfor executive producer. Yeah.134201:27:29,220 --> 01:27:32,070200 on the budget, and then youwould have like, they could134301:27:32,070 --> 01:27:35,040don't, they could send theycould ki send you through a134401:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,780podcast app, one, one and a halfmu or they can just 1,000,005134501:27:39,780 --> 01:27:40,680SATs or they134601:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,940can just go to the donation pageand just scan the QR code.134701:27:45,390 --> 01:27:48,030Right but either one word thatthe goal would be either one134801:27:48,030 --> 01:27:52,530would work Correct? Correct.Sweet. Okay. That's really fun.134901:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,340It's really neat.135001:27:53,729 --> 01:27:58,079I'm super excited because it'llopen up a lot of a lot of135101:27:58,589 --> 01:28:00,869opportunities for people whoreally just don't want to deal135201:28:00,869 --> 01:28:04,889with it maybe at least not rightoff the bat I mean, that's what135301:28:04,889 --> 01:28:09,299I liked about the slider waskeep 20% in Bitcoin135401:28:11,609 --> 01:28:15,7793333 sets for mix throughfountain no note and will thank135501:28:15,779 --> 01:28:19,709you mix 1000 SATs for Mitch andhe said pod version he says go135601:28:19,709 --> 01:28:20,399podcasting.135701:28:20,430 --> 01:28:21,780Yeah, thank you very much.135801:28:24,810 --> 01:28:28,290Make that 2000 Not 1000submissions. He sent us a double135901:28:29,370 --> 01:28:34,410slewed send us 12345 throughfountain he says, Can I get a136001:28:34,410 --> 01:28:38,370recording of day saying what isthis? Adam saying? Hey baby,136101:28:38,370 --> 01:28:40,380it's get it gets better love youmean.136201:28:43,740 --> 01:28:46,080Go ahead. Do you do your Give meyour lie? Oh,136301:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,170you're supposed to say yeah.Hey, okay. What is this? Hey,136401:28:52,170 --> 01:28:52,590baby.136501:28:52,620 --> 01:28:57,360Don't worry. It gets better. Allright. Pretty sick, dude. How136601:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,380many SATs was that?136701:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,48012345.136801:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,050That's kind of underpaid.136901:29:04,649 --> 01:29:09,089underpaid. Yes, that was highquality content. Scott Sikora137001:29:09,359 --> 01:29:13,319since 25,000 SATs through foundin any size this boost is to137101:29:13,319 --> 01:29:17,489help Dave get to Pittsburgh toget Lipson to enable podcast 2.0137201:29:17,489 --> 01:29:21,719features if I'm not if I'm notI'm going to be moving over to137301:29:21,719 --> 01:29:24,479hang out with Todd pew pew gobeef casting137401:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,040booth that happened all at once.137501:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,750Let's see. Oh 1010 SAS fromtester and he says test test137601:29:36,750 --> 01:29:37,530testicles.137701:29:37,589 --> 01:29:39,179Okay, okay, thanks.137801:29:40,260 --> 01:29:46,890How you doing booster. See, getsome anonymous boosts. Lots of137901:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,240those. Thank you. Anonymous 500says appreciate it of tone138001:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,990record back with 2052 Thank youtone record of get Brian of138101:29:54,990 --> 01:30:02,010London in the hive Dao 52,842sets Yeah. much Brian. And Brian138201:30:02,010 --> 01:30:07,860says hi ho Hi ho. It's off tocourt. I go one day I'll be able138301:30:07,860 --> 01:30:10,740to give a proper update on ourAustralian legal adventures.138401:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,640He's like a never endingnondisclosure agreement this guy138501:30:16,620 --> 01:30:20,460that's how we met he laid outthis whole story this you know138601:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,820he's gonna win $10 billion andhe's all gonna give it make us a138701:30:23,820 --> 01:30:24,600millionaire138801:30:25,710 --> 01:30:32,490just as all we need. All we needis a $5 million donation Brian138901:30:32,670 --> 01:30:35,010and we've got 10 billion whichneed a $5 million dollar139001:30:35,010 --> 01:30:37,560donation to the podcast indexare good139101:30:37,650 --> 01:30:39,060and and the yacht139201:30:40,830 --> 01:30:44,430okay, I don't want to get toogreedy. Okay, 4 million and EI139301:30:44,490 --> 01:30:50,700for me in any Lyceum, also knownas Martin lindskog, sinister139401:30:50,700 --> 01:30:53,610Liberty boost 1776 And he saysit is interesting to see how139501:30:53,610 --> 01:30:56,970players like striking Cash Appor making it easier for regular139601:30:56,970 --> 01:31:00,630users to buy and E walletsinstant Satoshis talking to139701:31:00,870 --> 01:31:05,370content creators as an Americanin spirit and rooting for139801:31:05,370 --> 01:31:08,640European developers eg Albionfountain, so they could find139901:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,850ways for users outside the NorthAmerican market. Do you think140001:31:11,850 --> 01:31:15,690Stripe will get into new marketscome up with new features after140101:31:15,690 --> 01:31:20,490the Pay Pal story? I think maybeyou mean strike to140201:31:20,490 --> 01:31:22,920give me an strike to Yeah, Idon't know. Maybe?140301:31:23,100 --> 01:31:26,490Yeah. I mean, it's I don't knowwhat they're doing. I don't140401:31:26,490 --> 01:31:27,270know. Nobody knows140501:31:27,270 --> 01:31:30,600anything. Really. No one reallyknows anything. Other than that140601:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,330there's there's some gamblinggoing on somewhere.140701:31:35,910 --> 01:31:40,230The tone wrecker send us 3333through Fontanini says. Now140801:31:40,230 --> 01:31:44,580testing previous record archiveuploads from Bandcamp undertone140901:31:44,580 --> 01:31:49,380record tracks and 2.0 RSS realm.Chapters for each track with141001:31:49,380 --> 01:31:53,820beside record artwork is greatso far. Did I see a brief curio141101:31:53,820 --> 01:31:57,540cast music entry by Dave notingSoundCloud hook as a test last141201:31:57,540 --> 01:32:01,560week? Did you think you I didn'tI do have a SoundCloud test141301:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,020feed? Yes, you did see that.That's interesting141401:32:04,020 --> 01:32:06,720because someone else was askinglet me see what do we have in141501:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,700the music tab isn't what's new.141601:32:09,569 --> 01:32:13,229I don't know what you mean.Don't record out if you're on141701:32:13,619 --> 01:32:16,859the mastodon to like tell mewhat you mean. Let's141801:32:16,860 --> 01:32:17,940find out what's going on.141901:32:18,330 --> 01:32:20,220Yeah, what do you do and I wantto I want to know what you're142001:32:20,220 --> 01:32:26,370doing. Lyceum sent us a 2112Rush boost he says it's great to142101:32:26,370 --> 01:32:30,480read an article on podcasting2.0 in the biggest tabloid in142201:32:30,480 --> 01:32:34,470Sweden, it's the Aftonbladet142301:32:35,760 --> 01:32:36,240yes142401:32:37,770 --> 01:32:42,060that we got a man this there's alot of music starting to pop up142501:32:42,060 --> 01:32:45,030here. Sorry to interrupt justlooking at the curio caster142601:32:45,090 --> 01:32:49,530music tab. And it's October17 18th there's new stuff coming142701:32:49,530 --> 01:32:50,070up anyway.142801:32:50,789 --> 01:32:51,869Let me see what that is.142901:32:52,319 --> 01:32:59,339Stereo stereo on music stereo onmusic good143001:33:01,979 --> 01:33:02,699scenario143101:33:11,670 --> 01:33:26,700P pieces all right. Well, that'swhat a stereo on where does that143201:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,250hosted? Let me see. That's onSoundCloud.143301:33:29,490 --> 01:33:31,320Okay, yeah. Okay, so that'scool. How143401:33:31,320 --> 01:33:36,180did they get anything good inthere though? Let me look at143501:33:36,180 --> 01:33:37,860SoundCloud RSS feed143601:33:37,860 --> 01:33:39,960so yeah, I'm telling you thatpeople are starting to figure143701:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,380out they can use their RSS feedand and run it through podcast143801:33:43,380 --> 01:33:44,820or wallet or fountain143901:33:46,290 --> 01:33:47,400I wonder if I did144001:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,940get an inside job man. Fakenews.144101:33:54,810 --> 01:33:57,870There's two in here well okay,well that's ours is blue. Okay,144201:33:57,870 --> 01:34:00,300that's coming from our says blueI got you okay, that's Adobe144301:34:00,300 --> 01:34:06,090does. Oh. All right. All right.Mystery soft. Where was that?144401:34:06,090 --> 01:34:10,020Oh, yes. Agree. Yeah, get on theget on there and tell us what144501:34:10,020 --> 01:34:14,220you're doing. I want to know2222 From Lyceum again, he says,144601:34:15,210 --> 01:34:18,060Oh, wait, you're we already readthat. And that means that we're144701:34:18,060 --> 01:34:23,490left with the delimiter Comstorblogger 50 No. 33 sets through144801:34:23,490 --> 01:34:26,580fountain and he says, How do youAdam and Dave, your audience is144901:34:26,580 --> 01:34:30,540invited to listen to AI dotcooking podcast about artificial145001:34:30,540 --> 01:34:34,230intelligence narrated by silkyvoice of Gregory William145101:34:34,230 --> 01:34:38,010Forsythe Foreman from Kent UK.Just enter AI cooking in your145201:34:38,010 --> 01:34:40,650web browser or in your podcastplayer app. Yo,145301:34:40,739 --> 01:34:49,079yo. Just one quickie since he'slistening live our our ginger145401:34:49,079 --> 01:34:53,129fair haired Brit Sam Sethi is145501:34:53,370 --> 01:34:55,620always listening. Is he in thechat room?145601:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,840I don't know if he's in the chatroom percent 1947 booths So now145701:35:00,870 --> 01:35:04,380we know the 1948 is Sir Brian ofLondon with his Israeli145801:35:04,380 --> 01:35:08,070independence Do you know what1947 Represent?145901:35:08,100 --> 01:35:13,050I'm going to guess that that isthe year of independence of the146001:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,090of India from the BritishEmpire.146101:35:15,479 --> 01:35:20,219Correct. You are sir dough.India independence boosts love146201:35:20,219 --> 01:35:23,879the idea of pod ping to updateany change in RSS and can't wait146301:35:23,879 --> 01:35:28,349for Spurlock show as podcastevents is super exciting, ready146401:35:28,349 --> 01:35:33,209to implement? Nice. Were youready to implement what146501:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,929I say? There you go. We got wegot another week. Another one in146601:35:36,929 --> 01:35:41,309the box. They're ready to go.monthlies. Okay, Tim Hudgins my146701:35:41,309 --> 01:35:48,209buddy $25. David would find $3Paul, Paul Erskine $11.14,146801:35:48,209 --> 01:35:51,899Michael Goggin, $5 and Charlescurrent, very $5. Thank146901:35:51,900 --> 01:35:58,230you all so much. And that willkeep us going for for another147001:35:58,230 --> 01:36:02,970week. Please consider us. Whenyou're thinking about the value147101:36:02,970 --> 01:36:05,370you'd like to return to theproject. It's the only way it'll147201:36:05,370 --> 01:36:10,590it'll keep working. And so far,two years. We're still we're147301:36:10,590 --> 01:36:13,080still they're still doing it.We're not dead. We're not done147401:36:13,080 --> 01:36:18,240yet. Podcasts index.org for yourfor your pay pal Fiat fun147501:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,960coupons and any podcast app thatdoes value for value at new147601:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,820podcast apps.com.147701:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,660We may be old and creaky or not.Did147801:36:30,660 --> 01:36:33,210you have anything on your list?I'm just trying to look at the147901:36:34,530 --> 01:36:36,720back. Do you have to go back tothe office today?148001:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,530I do. But I've got a little bitof time. I don't know if you get148101:36:40,530 --> 01:36:41,400anything. But148201:36:42,930 --> 01:36:45,540let me see. I thought that waskind of the oral history of148301:36:45,540 --> 01:36:50,520gimlet slow demise. I don't knowif you saw that. Oh, here's some148401:36:50,520 --> 01:36:51,060snack.148501:36:51,090 --> 01:36:54,240Oh, my God, I didn't read thewhole thing. It's, I can just148601:36:54,240 --> 01:36:55,650imagine what it says though.148701:36:56,670 --> 01:37:00,120Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Imean, it was weird, because148801:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,240there's, there's these twothreads that kind of intersected148901:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,000and I wasn't quite sure what todo with it. Because one is, you149001:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,530know, obviously, we're laughingat this $244,000 to create a149101:37:10,530 --> 01:37:14,040podcast. And that was like thisbig conversation and somehow149201:37:15,090 --> 01:37:22,830because of our comments about anedit and the way an interview149301:37:22,830 --> 01:37:27,210was edited on pod land. Thatkind of got conflated. Somehow.149401:37:27,210 --> 01:37:29,730I'm not really Yeah, it wasreally odd. And then on pod149501:37:29,730 --> 01:37:33,900land, they did a they did aninterview with what's the guy's149601:37:33,900 --> 01:37:38,010name? Neil. He's a he'sapparently the best editor best149701:37:38,010 --> 01:37:39,300audio editor in the world.149801:37:39,689 --> 01:37:41,849I haven't listened to that.Yesterday's yet. I haven't.149901:37:41,849 --> 01:37:43,109Yeah. So had made that for him.150001:37:43,170 --> 01:37:47,070So then James did an edit of theinterview which Sam conducted?150101:37:48,210 --> 01:37:53,610In, I guess, what's that toolcalled? With the I'll use? The150201:37:53,610 --> 01:37:57,480script D script. Yeah. And, andthen after that, the same150301:37:57,480 --> 01:38:03,090interview edited by Neilhimself. And I mean, it was150401:38:03,150 --> 01:38:06,180that's at first, that's reallyhard to do. And I don't think150501:38:06,690 --> 01:38:09,210that made no sense to me,because I just heard the150601:38:09,210 --> 01:38:11,580interview. And it was, it wasactually it was nice. It was150701:38:11,580 --> 01:38:14,610good to listen to I, I wentthrough all the, you know, got150801:38:14,610 --> 01:38:17,700off track, it's back on track.And then Neil did it the way he150901:38:17,700 --> 01:38:20,730felt it should be done. And Ifelt like I was running behind151001:38:20,730 --> 01:38:23,940the story I couldn't quite catchup. It's like, hold on, moving151101:38:23,940 --> 01:38:28,500too fast for me. But the wholething was kind of odd about. I151201:38:28,500 --> 01:38:33,750mean, I just put it this way. Ifyou find yourself editing out151301:38:33,750 --> 01:38:38,880your arms and your eyes, youjust find a different hobby. The151401:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,690whole point is when you do this,and I have all kinds of arms and151501:38:42,690 --> 01:38:49,620ahhs and stop words and thinkphrases, and it's either you151601:38:49,620 --> 01:38:52,830gotta you gotta catch yourselfthat you need to learn to be151701:38:52,830 --> 01:38:57,810better, because in all theseconversations about production151801:38:57,810 --> 01:39:00,930and executive producers andeditors and mixers and151901:39:00,930 --> 01:39:04,710recorders, I did hear manypeople talking about the talent152001:39:04,710 --> 01:39:08,820on the show. And our even wasn'teven discussed as a number that152101:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,660you had to hire the talent. WhenI think the whole point is152201:39:12,930 --> 01:39:17,130podcasts and gives people withdifferent talents and152301:39:17,130 --> 01:39:22,620opportunity to communicate. AndI don't know if you need to cut152401:39:22,620 --> 01:39:27,300them all up and make it I mean,in fact, as Neil said, the way152501:39:27,300 --> 01:39:32,640you edit should be about whatyou the podcaster want to152601:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,930portray. And that's my point.Exactly. That's what you want.152701:39:36,930 --> 01:39:39,090So I don't want to do aninterview where it's going to be152801:39:39,090 --> 01:39:42,510cut up to portray what you wantto portray. I want people to152901:39:42,510 --> 01:39:47,130hear what I have to say and JoeRogan, I know no one over there153001:39:47,130 --> 01:39:50,760listens because you know he'sevil. But you should listen to153101:39:50,760 --> 01:39:55,200Joe Rogan because he is a veryskilled conversationalist. And153201:39:55,200 --> 01:40:00,720it's I think everyone should beable to learn how To speak153301:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,830better at divorce, Nick and I,we that's one of the main153401:40:04,830 --> 01:40:09,630features of the show, he'll sayyou're smacking your lips. Or153501:40:09,630 --> 01:40:12,540I'll say you're saying the factof the matter too much, and we153601:40:12,540 --> 01:40:15,210catch each other and we stopthat stuff. And we make153701:40:15,210 --> 01:40:20,040ourselves better in the process.I don't, it's one thing to and153801:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,250again, you don't necessarilyneed to shorten time on a153901:40:23,250 --> 01:40:27,270podcast, but okay, you have abudget of time that you want a154001:40:27,270 --> 01:40:30,720lot. I personally feel that youshould have done a shorter154101:40:30,720 --> 01:40:35,370interview. That's, but that's mepersonally. And so I find154201:40:36,420 --> 01:40:42,360editing a conversation. And it'snot about context. It's about154301:40:42,390 --> 01:40:46,740rhythm and breath. And I hear itall the time. Like, no, the154401:40:46,740 --> 01:40:51,150person didn't breathe in betweenthose two sentences. It's not154501:40:51,150 --> 01:40:54,960comfortable to listen to say, Idon't want to dwell on it too154601:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,270much. But I was surprised what abig deal they made out of154701:40:57,270 --> 01:41:00,900essence, editing is it'sinherently I mean, we don't edit154801:41:00,900 --> 01:41:04,140the show. And I'll make a littlesnip there to tighten up the154901:41:04,140 --> 01:41:07,140spot when you went to let thedog out. And that's it. And155001:41:07,140 --> 01:41:09,270everything else. Is that kind ofthe beauty of it? Don't we155101:41:09,270 --> 01:41:14,430already have the perfect NPR theperfect, mainstream media that155201:41:14,430 --> 01:41:17,070doesn't fuck up and doesn't saythe wrong things? Don't we155301:41:17,070 --> 01:41:20,580already have that? Is it morefun to listen to authenticity?155401:41:21,870 --> 01:41:25,710I have found myself speakingmore slowly, lately. And it's155501:41:25,710 --> 01:41:28,650directly in response to goingback and listening to our155601:41:28,650 --> 01:41:33,840episodes. Sure. And hearing how,when my mind goes really fast,155701:41:33,840 --> 01:41:38,550and I try when my mouth tries tomatch the speed of thought that155801:41:38,550 --> 01:41:44,400my head is going at my words,get all fumbled up, and I end up155901:41:44,490 --> 01:41:48,540doing the arms and ahhs and Irestart my sentences multiple156001:41:48,540 --> 01:41:51,360times and these kinds of things.So I've been hearing myself do156101:41:51,360 --> 01:41:56,400this. And I've been trying toconsciously, like, slow down the156201:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,270rhythm of my talk, so that I canso that my mouth doesn't outpace156301:42:00,270 --> 01:42:01,140my mind.156401:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,410And you get that from listeningto yourself and improve it.156501:42:04,410 --> 01:42:04,830Yeah.156601:42:05,819 --> 01:42:09,449Yeah. And it's really, it'sreally helpful because I want156701:42:09,809 --> 01:42:15,089I've got these ideas, and I wantto say them, but also want to156801:42:15,089 --> 01:42:19,949say them in a specific way.Because just you have to, you've156901:42:19,949 --> 01:42:23,069got the idea. And then you'vegot the way that it comes out157001:42:23,069 --> 01:42:26,339and gets presented. Yeah,they're both important. Like,157101:42:26,339 --> 01:42:29,729really, almost the presentationis almost more important than157201:42:29,729 --> 01:42:32,549the ideas so because that'sreally where it becomes a157301:42:32,549 --> 01:42:35,639reality. So yeah, and this Yeah,157401:42:35,700 --> 01:42:39,120and this is what the podcastIndustrial Complex has become a157501:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,600bunch of creatives, whoexecutive producers who come up157601:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,570with a show idea, they pitch itto the person with the money,157701:42:45,690 --> 01:42:49,350then they go assemble the teamand get a host. Yeah, that's157801:42:49,380 --> 01:42:53,190Hollywood. And by the way,gimlet and all these people, you157901:42:53,190 --> 01:42:57,180play Hollywood, you get treatedlike Hollywood. I've been fired158001:42:57,210 --> 01:43:00,840overnight, clear out your desk.No, you can't take your edit158101:43:00,840 --> 01:43:02,040with you. Goodbye.158201:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,170Let's Hollywood.158301:43:05,340 --> 01:43:09,060Ladies, we bought your show. Wedon't like you. You're too158401:43:09,060 --> 01:43:12,060expensive. You're a pain in theass. You want to give too many158501:43:12,060 --> 01:43:14,970demands. We got new people forthe show. You got no rights. We158601:43:14,970 --> 01:43:19,410bought that from you. That'sHollywood. That's it's such a158701:43:19,680 --> 01:43:20,760it's a trap of158801:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,820ask so many people fail. It'snot even just Hollywood. It's158901:43:23,820 --> 01:43:28,710the broader media. Like, it'sjust it's New York. It's all the159001:43:28,710 --> 01:43:31,500you know, look how many peoplebounce from like new station to159101:43:31,500 --> 01:43:35,550new station, you got peoplegoing from one, you know, Fox to159201:43:35,580 --> 01:43:38,910CNN and back and forth, and allthese kinds of places like that.159301:43:39,180 --> 01:43:41,850You just get bought and sold allthe time. I mean, you just, you159401:43:41,850 --> 01:43:45,300know, meet some of those guysmake lots of money. But I mean,159501:43:45,300 --> 01:43:48,690you you're not you're not abovebeing fired at all.159601:43:49,049 --> 01:43:53,759No, no, absolutely. It's justit's so it's misguided. That's159701:43:53,759 --> 01:43:56,729all it's just, there was a lotof money floating around. And159801:43:56,729 --> 01:43:59,969now it's tightening up as Ipredicted. And it's just, it's159901:43:59,969 --> 01:44:02,489only gonna get worse than thepeople who have figured out how160001:44:02,489 --> 01:44:06,989to put a podcast togetherthemselves. Maybe with one other160101:44:06,989 --> 01:44:10,109person like you and I are doingthat you're gonna make it160201:44:11,429 --> 01:44:17,789because you have to keep thosecosts low. You have to, and I'm160301:44:17,789 --> 01:44:21,479broken record one of the lasttimes I'll do this, because we160401:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,659never had the gear forpodcasters and we're just now160501:44:24,659 --> 01:44:28,079finally getting the gear thatyou can record something with160601:44:28,079 --> 01:44:32,279your sound straight in. Youknow, like talented people, you160701:44:32,279 --> 01:44:34,859know, who have a conversation.It's funny enough to edit the160801:44:34,859 --> 01:44:39,929fun into it. That's the problemis we created this. This160901:44:39,929 --> 01:44:45,149generation of Phil Spector, awall of sound podcast editors,161001:44:45,809 --> 01:44:48,149which is well just give meanything give me some stock161101:44:48,149 --> 01:44:50,849music. Give me some personreading a script. I'll make a161201:44:50,849 --> 01:44:54,869great podcast, but it's kind ofmanufactured. A lot of it.161301:44:55,680 --> 01:45:01,200Oh, straight up. I mean, like, Icould think of If you want to do161401:45:01,200 --> 01:45:05,820like me some people really likea true crime type investigative161501:45:06,030 --> 01:45:09,420journalist one with a mic. Yeah.You know, yeah. And that's fine.161601:45:09,420 --> 01:45:12,030And that's fine. But you know,the thing about that, though,161701:45:12,030 --> 01:45:18,030is, I really think that there issomething special about a couple161801:45:18,030 --> 01:45:23,700of people talking about a topicand hashing it out even so even161901:45:23,700 --> 01:45:28,470those shows, even things like atrue crime or an investigative162001:45:28,470 --> 01:45:31,410thing, you get to you can haveone person leading the charge162101:45:31,410 --> 01:45:33,720and saying, Okay, I get it.Here's what I'm trying to say162201:45:33,720 --> 01:45:39,330you could I can imagine sittingdown to do a podcast, you have162301:45:39,330 --> 01:45:43,110the script there, you have thething that you want to say. But162401:45:43,110 --> 01:45:45,600then it's also collaborative.And so you're going through it,162501:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,140you can do that you can do thatin one take. You can, you don't162601:45:49,140 --> 01:45:53,160have to edit the bejesus out ofthat right? No,162701:45:53,190 --> 01:45:56,550this is this is the travesty ispeople are so used to having162801:45:56,550 --> 01:45:59,700everything the processing everywouldn't you just want to hear162901:45:59,700 --> 01:46:03,420while you're speaking. What it'sgoing to sound like on the other163001:46:03,420 --> 01:46:10,800end right away. I do. I do. Ilove that. Anyway, yeah. So I163101:46:10,800 --> 01:46:16,680backslash. I have no idea why Igot on that rant. Other than I163201:46:16,680 --> 01:46:22,860truly, honestly prefer nothearing edited pieces. You know,163301:46:22,860 --> 01:46:26,430and it's not so much like, okay,when I went off on a tangent,163401:46:26,430 --> 01:46:30,090and he talked about ice bearsfor 10 minutes. Yeah, of course,163501:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,560you can make an edit there. Butediting out arms and eyes and163601:46:34,830 --> 01:46:37,980saying, Well, yeah, I mean, Iheard entire pieces were not163701:46:37,980 --> 01:46:41,490edited linearly linearly. Theway Neil did it, he brought163801:46:41,490 --> 01:46:44,520stuff forward and backward,like, Okay, you're doing a163901:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,060puzzle like this. You built thestory. But it wasn't the story,164001:46:48,060 --> 01:46:49,110as it was told.164101:46:51,270 --> 01:46:56,220That that comes out. We see thatin like news media all the time164201:46:56,220 --> 01:46:59,010you chip. keep chopping this andmoving it around over here. And164301:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,200he's like, Well, now I'm notseeing that's that's almost like164401:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,010a, like a deep fake. When youwhen you rearrange the pieces164501:47:08,010 --> 01:47:11,820like that. It's still the partit's the person, but it's not164601:47:11,820 --> 01:47:15,270actually what they said. Becausesometimes, like if you have an164701:47:15,270 --> 01:47:17,610interview, and you go through,let's just say you go through164801:47:17,610 --> 01:47:22,740seven topics in an in a in 30minutes. Well, if you take a164901:47:22,740 --> 01:47:27,810response from topic six, in moveit in front of topic two, or165001:47:27,810 --> 01:47:30,960topic two, and the thing that Idiscussed there may have165101:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,410influenced what I thought abouttopic six. So now you're you've165201:47:34,410 --> 01:47:37,620got it at an order. And itdoesn't make any sense. And I165301:47:37,620 --> 01:47:40,440may end if we had done it out oforder I may have I may have165401:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,440responded a different way. Likeyeah,165501:47:43,470 --> 01:47:49,890yes. And then just as the finalpoint on this. So we have165601:47:50,160 --> 01:47:56,070podcast creators, chopping uppeople and removing ohms and165701:47:56,070 --> 01:48:00,690ahhs so that podcast listenerscan then subsequently play it at165801:48:00,690 --> 01:48:05,8505x speed with volume boost andeverything. We're gonna run into165901:48:05,850 --> 01:48:09,210problems one day is going to betoo much crap on both sides of166001:48:09,210 --> 01:48:13,290the equation. The gap Zapper,I'm telling you the gap zapper166101:48:14,190 --> 01:48:20,730is I don't dirty to me, it'sjust like it's a radio hangover.166201:48:21,030 --> 01:48:23,550It's like yeah, keep it tight.Yeah. What do you gotta do? You166301:48:23,550 --> 01:48:27,090gotta hit the top of the hour.You gotta hit the news. No, no.166401:48:29,160 --> 01:48:35,940Till you try this, if your guestis getting boring. Instead of166501:48:35,970 --> 01:48:39,390editing out the boring parts,say, excuse me, that's kind of166601:48:39,390 --> 01:48:41,460boring. Let's continue withthis.166701:48:41,910 --> 01:48:46,920Which is exactly what you do tome. You're like, Nah, I'm bored.166801:48:46,980 --> 01:48:47,550Let's do some166901:48:48,060 --> 01:48:51,090downtime. I do it more subtlethan that. I hope167001:48:52,050 --> 01:48:53,550you've done that a couple oftimes. But167101:48:53,940 --> 01:48:58,830it's also the it's also the artof making programming your and I167201:48:58,830 --> 01:49:01,170also I'm reading the vibe of thechat room.167301:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,500Yeah, you're saying you'resaying is boring. And that makes167401:49:04,500 --> 01:49:07,110everybody laugh and that leadsright into something that's not167501:49:07,110 --> 01:49:10,950boring. Now you know all mysecrets. Well, that's your167601:49:10,950 --> 01:49:13,680only secret. Only when you hitthe only one I have167701:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,210right there. That's all I got167801:49:16,890 --> 01:49:23,490to happen. Where does that comeout? What what come out? No,167901:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,390your bombshell did bombshell.That was me. Oh, that was good.168001:49:27,450 --> 01:49:33,060I was like, Did I hit a buttonor something? Three that was a168101:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,990good one. Very, very good.Didn't have the bush. So thanks168201:49:36,990 --> 01:49:39,210again everybody for forsupporting the show and168301:49:39,210 --> 01:49:44,310supporting the 2.0 project. Thehands down the best, best group168401:49:44,310 --> 01:49:48,030of people I've ever worked within my life. So exciting every168501:49:48,030 --> 01:49:51,300single day just to you know whenthere's not a lot of posts on168601:49:51,300 --> 01:49:55,800like a Wednesday, on on thesocial. Online I'm always168701:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,470bummed. I'm like, where'severybody? No one's out here168801:49:58,470 --> 01:50:01,020today and no one wants to playIn the sandbox,168901:50:03,389 --> 01:50:08,939we've got to go over remoteremote items. So next week is169001:50:08,939 --> 01:50:12,719remote item Awareness Week.Okay, on the show169101:50:12,749 --> 01:50:16,979now remote item is where you caninclude something in an item169201:50:17,009 --> 01:50:20,789from a remote feed. Is thatcorrect?169301:50:21,509 --> 01:50:25,859Yes. And this goes into a largerdiscussion of the podcast Gu ID169401:50:25,859 --> 01:50:30,719tag, which applies to manythings. I think it's a next next169501:50:30,929 --> 01:50:33,599next week for sure. Because Ihave a whole thing written out169601:50:33,599 --> 01:50:36,569here that we didn't even get toabout the good. So next week, we169701:50:36,569 --> 01:50:39,419need to do podcasts in bulk, bythe way, but we're not having169801:50:39,419 --> 01:50:42,089any guests lately. For a fewweeks. We just need to cleanse169901:50:42,089 --> 01:50:45,539the palate because we're reallynot a guest show. I mean, we do170001:50:45,539 --> 01:50:50,459it because we need too manypeople to today have their170101:50:50,459 --> 01:50:51,359products out. Just170201:50:51,419 --> 01:50:54,839just say, Hey, man, look, I'mreally busy. You know, this170301:50:54,839 --> 01:50:58,019podcast is a pain in the ass. Igotta fix the API. We've got no170401:50:58,019 --> 01:51:00,329time for guests. Okay, we got notime.170501:51:00,690 --> 01:51:02,400For guests. Yes, it is boring.170601:51:03,450 --> 01:51:06,060If I ever really said that wasboring to you. They ever said170701:51:06,060 --> 01:51:06,240that170801:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,780we use the Show said that. Yousaid that on the show once did170901:51:09,780 --> 01:51:12,420you take offense to it? No.Okay.171001:51:12,630 --> 01:51:14,550No. Did you think that? Hey,maybe he's right. I'm just171101:51:14,550 --> 01:51:20,220boring. Yes, yeah, that's whenDeVore Act does that shit to me.171201:51:20,670 --> 01:51:23,850Because he does it all the time.I'll come I'll roll out his171301:51:23,850 --> 01:51:28,050whole spectacular sequence ofclips. And he's like, yeah, it171401:51:28,050 --> 01:51:29,640was a little long was a little171501:51:29,640 --> 01:51:30,330boring.171601:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,550Ya know, sometimes when I go onand on about some kind of171701:51:35,550 --> 01:51:39,600intricacies of some, like, youknow, I don't know, protocol or171801:51:39,600 --> 01:51:44,070something like that. I boremyself. And you're like, This is171901:51:44,070 --> 01:51:46,560boring. I'm like, Yeah, youknow, it kind of is Thanks.172001:51:46,590 --> 01:51:49,590Let's see where I need help. SoI'll help you with the boring172101:51:49,590 --> 01:51:52,830where I need help. Okay, there'sthat I get off. I start on a172201:51:52,830 --> 01:51:58,470topic. And then I go off intoSwaziland, and I don't remember172301:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,770what the original topic was. Andthen I'm swimming. And now I'm172401:52:01,770 --> 01:52:04,170just spouting anecdotes. And I'mlike, Well, let me tell you172501:52:04,170 --> 01:52:06,750about the time I interviewedWhitesnake, you get it when you172601:52:06,750 --> 01:52:10,140gotta bring me back. This iswhere I go really wrong. And I172701:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,270also interrupt way too much.I've very bad172801:52:12,269 --> 01:52:15,449throw you throw Yutani containand in the life preserver and172901:52:15,449 --> 01:52:16,709we've been really back in173001:52:16,770 --> 01:52:18,900now. That'd be funny if shewasn't dead. Dave.173101:52:20,340 --> 01:52:22,710She goes, she was dead. Yeah,sorry. That was passed. Sorry.173201:52:22,710 --> 01:52:23,430That was creepy.173301:52:23,460 --> 01:52:27,690No, it's it was alcohol.Unfortunately, that did redo.173401:52:27,900 --> 01:52:32,310Yeah. It was weird. It was onetime. Funny story. Maybe you173501:52:32,310 --> 01:52:35,040remember that show CelebrityRehab with Dr. Drew?173601:52:36,270 --> 01:52:37,560Vaguely. So you173701:52:37,560 --> 01:52:38,880know who Dr. Drew is right.173801:52:39,420 --> 01:52:42,900Yeah, the famous highlyqualified doctor.173901:52:43,710 --> 01:52:47,310So we had a reality show, whichwas his because he has a clinic,174001:52:47,340 --> 01:52:51,750a detox clinic. And so thepeople come in and the reality174101:52:51,750 --> 01:52:55,620show around it. And it wasalways it was celebrity detox.174201:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,580And on one show, there werethree people on one show that I174301:52:59,580 --> 01:53:06,120knew was free. It was like DannyBonaduce, it was Steven Adler174401:53:06,120 --> 01:53:11,820from Guns and Roses. And it wasand it was tiny.174501:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,410But it's not I mean, it'sprobably not the music industry174601:53:16,410 --> 01:53:19,020is probably more aptly named themusic and rehabilitation174701:53:19,020 --> 01:53:19,710industry right.174801:53:19,740 --> 01:53:22,560I can't wait for the firstpodcasters to be strung out on174901:53:22,560 --> 01:53:27,000smack you know, just wait waitto successful driving around in175001:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,670the in the in the in the in theBentley.175101:53:31,050 --> 01:53:38,430We need to we need to send outgood karma and love to CVV Yeah,175201:53:38,460 --> 01:53:41,400yeah. Hope he's feeling Yes.Part of my greatest hits album175301:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,870is what a guest Chapter Three ofthe greatest hits album this175401:53:45,870 --> 01:53:50,430gastroenterological humor. Andlike when one time I was having175501:53:50,430 --> 01:53:53,460like a headless in in a stoolsample to the175601:53:53,460 --> 01:53:57,720gastroenterologist, and it tooklike, it took like, days and175701:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,780days for him to get back. And Iwas like, You know what? I was175801:54:00,780 --> 01:54:03,060getting kind of worried. Ofcourse, yeah, maybe this means175901:54:03,060 --> 01:54:06,660sometimes I call. I called himup and she in the lady was like,176001:54:08,100 --> 01:54:11,370Well, you know, we still don'thave the results. You know, I'll176101:54:11,370 --> 01:54:14,280call him and I said, you don'treally need you guys to speed176201:54:14,280 --> 01:54:22,170this shit up. Which I thoughtwas genius. I tend to get upset.176301:54:24,090 --> 01:54:28,110Joke. She didn't get the joke.I'm like, oh my Hey. I'll be176401:54:28,110 --> 01:54:28,650here all week.176501:54:28,710 --> 01:54:32,160Oh, all right, brother. Haveyourself a great weekend. And176601:54:33,660 --> 01:54:35,460what are we doing guaranteednext week?176701:54:36,810 --> 01:54:40,770We're guarantee we're doing itAwareness Week.176801:54:42,750 --> 01:54:47,280All right, everybody. If you'rein the chat room, streaming and176901:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,190boosting us live, we appreciateit. We'll be back next Friday177001:54:50,190 --> 01:54:52,980for the board meeting ofpodcasting 2.0177101:55:00,000 --> 01:55:12,630If you have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast177201:55:12,630 --> 01:55:16,080index.org For more information,boost boost177301:55:17,430 --> 01:55:19,920boost boost