Episode 104: A New Dump

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,880Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September30 2022, episode 104 We got a200:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,300new300:00:10,230 --> 00:00:14,430Hello everybody, welcome topodcasting. 2.0 everything going400:00:14,430 --> 00:00:18,270on? Well, you know what?Podcasting 2.0 It's the board500:00:18,270 --> 00:00:20,400meetings is where we cometogether every single week we600:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,760talk about what's going on ourdreams, our wishes, and we try700:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,300to fulfill them all. Whatever ishappening with the namespace out800:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,720there in the podcast, industrialcomplex. And of course, podcast900:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,230index dot social is where wehave all the goo we like to talk1000:00:34,230 --> 00:00:36,480about. I'm Adam curry here inthe heart of the Texas Hill1100:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,780Country and an Alabama, a manwho was happy it's international1200:00:39,780 --> 00:00:43,410podcast day, say hello to myfriend on the other end. Ladies1300:00:43,410 --> 00:00:49,170and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones,you always fulfill my wishes,1400:00:49,170 --> 00:00:49,710sweetheart.1500:00:50,790 --> 00:00:54,090And right off the bat, we'reback where we left off.1600:00:55,410 --> 00:00:59,670At the International podcast,epi International, maybe your1700:00:59,670 --> 00:01:01,440numbers are right, and maybethey're not Puckett1800:01:02,850 --> 00:01:03,270who,1900:01:04,290 --> 00:01:07,830who determines this to beinternational podcast day? I2000:01:07,830 --> 00:01:10,800don't understand. I mean, Iwouldn't international podcast2100:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,910community. I was not consultedon this. So I don't know. I've2200:01:14,910 --> 00:01:19,710never really observed it. I'm anon observing podcast. Did you2300:01:19,710 --> 00:01:25,140see Jordan? Jordan? Seeker lastnames and Blair. So Ben Jordan,2400:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,920Jordan Blair.2500:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,020She's one of the2600:01:29,070 --> 00:01:31,860one of the hosts of the Bosquebroadcast. Yeah, Busquets. Yeah,2700:01:31,860 --> 00:01:35,820Jordan Blair. She tweeted the.She was so excited for2800:01:35,820 --> 00:01:39,150international podcast daybecause she wanted to, I wanted2900:01:39,150 --> 00:01:41,520you to land on we wanted Adamcurry to land on a roof and give3000:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,420her presents or something.3100:01:46,110 --> 00:01:51,630Oh, oh, all right. I like Iliked the idea, actually. Oh,3200:01:51,630 --> 00:01:52,380little girl.3300:01:53,610 --> 00:01:55,500Let me see what I have in mysack.3400:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,630She said I'll be hanging upstockings tonight and hosted3500:02:00,630 --> 00:02:04,350Adam curry fills them with audiogear. Oh, goodness.3600:02:05,850 --> 00:02:11,190Okay. All right. So what does itsignify the start of podcasting?3700:02:11,190 --> 00:02:14,880Is there something? Is there adate? Like something was born on3800:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,210this date? Do you know I mean, Ijust seems like, that's been a3900:02:18,210 --> 00:02:22,140thing. I don't know if I had toguess what it's about somehow.4000:02:22,140 --> 00:02:23,640It's about somebody makingmoney.4100:02:25,830 --> 00:02:26,310You Yes.4200:02:27,390 --> 00:02:30,270Yeah, that's a wild guess. Imean, that never happens. That's4300:02:30,270 --> 00:02:31,290just a wild guess where?4400:02:32,370 --> 00:02:34,530Well, I'm glad he's making moneysomewhere. I guess we should4500:02:34,530 --> 00:02:38,910just talk briefly about theBloomberg article and the oh my4600:02:38,910 --> 00:02:41,430god, there's gambling going onthere.4700:02:42,690 --> 00:02:47,100I'm shocked. I'm very shocked.You got my clips, right? Yes, I4800:02:47,100 --> 00:02:49,380do have your clip. Oh, do youOh, you have clips about this?4900:02:49,410 --> 00:02:55,350Oh, this, this in particular,but just about, about, about5000:02:55,350 --> 00:02:59,370other things that are tangentialto this. Okay, so So let me5100:02:59,370 --> 00:03:02,070start with just a littlebackground Bloomberg5200:03:03,930 --> 00:03:08,130reported an article a reportedan article that I Heart Radio in5300:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,320particular, but it appears thatthere's some others who have5400:03:10,320 --> 00:03:17,190done it, we're buying downloadsfrom mobile app games, where the5500:03:17,190 --> 00:03:20,310person would, you know, tap onan in game item that they would5600:03:20,310 --> 00:03:24,360get a you know, a sword or acape or something exciting, or,5700:03:24,390 --> 00:03:28,380you know, maybe some, some, someother kind of virtual money,5800:03:28,380 --> 00:03:32,460whatever. And they'd have tolisten to 20 seconds of a5900:03:32,460 --> 00:03:36,900podcast would point over aminute, a minute or more have6000:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,950been downloaded, which and thisis the the true amazing part of6100:03:40,950 --> 00:03:43,800it, which according to theInternational Advertising Bureau6200:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,990standards is constitutes a fulldownload, which is fascinating.6300:03:50,070 --> 00:03:53,070But they were doing this to thetune of 6 million a month about6400:03:53,070 --> 00:03:58,290$10 million since 2018. Up untiltoday, and the way the industry6500:03:58,290 --> 00:04:01,620kind of responded was well, youknow, it's it's valid. It's it's6600:04:01,620 --> 00:04:05,610how it works. This is we allagree IAB says it's okay. And I6700:04:05,670 --> 00:04:09,900am and I want to relate my ownpersonal experience to this.6800:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,310Because it's,6900:04:12,630 --> 00:04:15,450you know, you've never donesomething like this, but you've7000:04:15,450 --> 00:04:16,740been affiliated with somethinglike this.7100:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,970Here's how it goes in SiliconValley.7200:04:22,019 --> 00:04:23,459And I know this firsthand,7300:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,140particularly with startups. Andit doesn't matter if it's a7400:04:28,140 --> 00:04:32,550podcast if it's video thatyou're that you're have7500:04:32,550 --> 00:04:35,700advertisers watching doesn'tmatter if it's clicks if it's7600:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,220signups registrations, anythingyou can think of anything you7700:04:41,220 --> 00:04:45,330need people for, there arecompanies who have these games.7800:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,730The one I know aboutspecifically at the time was7900:04:47,730 --> 00:04:51,060called monopoly. That was justthe name of the company. I don't8000:04:51,060 --> 00:04:53,160know if that was the fullcompany name, whatever. But you8100:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,250know, companies like this and sothe base has bold, that's a bold8200:04:56,250 --> 00:04:57,120name for your company.8300:04:58,380 --> 00:05:00,000Thank you, but maybe that's just8400:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,880How they were listed in thespecial index.8500:05:04,110 --> 00:05:09,990And they will come to CEOs orCFOs and say, hey, you know, if8600:05:09,990 --> 00:05:12,000you need some traffic orsomething, you know, you need8700:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,670some signups for the end of themonth you got the quarter coming8800:05:14,670 --> 00:05:16,740up, you got to show your board,you have a board meeting, you8900:05:16,740 --> 00:05:18,720have a funding event, you needto show a chart.9000:05:19,859 --> 00:05:23,939You know, you've got this money,so why don't you pay us $100,0009100:05:23,939 --> 00:05:29,639And, and you know, that willresult in $110,000 of revenue.9200:05:30,269 --> 00:05:32,969Because we will, we will chargeyou less than you're getting9300:05:32,969 --> 00:05:36,209from the advertisers. And theyhave to end these games. That's9400:05:36,209 --> 00:05:38,189their workforce. You know,remember, we talked about9500:05:38,189 --> 00:05:40,289Sphinx, where they have peoplein9600:05:44,610 --> 00:05:48,570the Philippines, Philippines,who are you know, teaching AI is9700:05:48,570 --> 00:05:51,930like, Okay, is there a man inthis picture? This CC, you know,9800:05:51,930 --> 00:05:57,270this closed circuit camera? Yes,yes. No, no, no. So teaching it,9900:05:57,420 --> 00:06:00,570the same people are saying, oh,okay, I have to listen to this10000:06:00,570 --> 00:06:03,060podcast now that now they'regetting, they're not actually10100:06:03,060 --> 00:06:05,730playing a game. This is this isthe part that I think Bloomberg10200:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,940missed. These games are notgames to play, like, Oh, my God,10300:06:08,940 --> 00:06:13,740the game is to get as much moneyout of the monopoly company.10400:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040Because they're paying theirpeople it goes down the line.10500:06:17,460 --> 00:06:22,890And this is rampant throughoutthe industry. It started way10600:06:22,890 --> 00:06:27,180back when with clicks, and andpage views, all of this. And10700:06:27,180 --> 00:06:30,270it's real people doing itdistributed all around the10800:06:30,270 --> 00:06:33,330world. And I'll just add tothat.10900:06:35,100 --> 00:06:38,700When, when you take a companypublic,11000:06:39,750 --> 00:06:44,880people will come to you who say,Hey, I'm a consultant. And I'm a11100:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,200consultant in your business. AndI would like to have warrants of11200:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,650your stock. Now warrant is likea stock. But it's a it's a11300:06:52,650 --> 00:06:56,460particular kind of stock, it hasrestrictions, but you can sell11400:06:56,460 --> 00:07:00,450it once the stock price reachesa certain price with and that11500:07:00,450 --> 00:07:03,450you can sell that kind of as aninsider deals. That's what all11600:07:03,450 --> 00:07:06,840the venture capital guys, theywant a lot of warrants. That's11700:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,290that's where the, that's wherethe big bonus money is. And they11800:07:10,290 --> 00:07:13,650will say, hey, you know what?Your stock is? $5. Right now,11900:07:13,890 --> 00:07:18,600when it hits 12, then ourwarrants will, then our warrants12000:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,240are good. Oh, that's great. Whatare you going to do? We're going12100:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,340to promote your promote yourcompany, we're going to talk to12200:07:23,340 --> 00:07:25,350people and we get theminterested in the stock. And of12300:07:25,350 --> 00:07:28,380course, what they actually do isit's a group of guys, and12400:07:28,380 --> 00:07:31,170they're all They're trading thestock back and forth amongst12500:07:31,170 --> 00:07:33,780each other. They trade the priceup until it hits the price12600:07:33,780 --> 00:07:37,320point. They cash in there, theirwarrants. But but you're also12700:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,500happy because your shareholdersare happy, your employees are12800:07:40,500 --> 00:07:44,250happy, everybody's happy. Andit's completely legal.12900:07:45,270 --> 00:07:50,040So that's the same that has beengoing on. And I would say with13000:07:50,130 --> 00:07:54,600and in this case, it looks likeI heart. And this is this is the13100:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,870best part because we were justtalking about loops, not lists.13200:07:58,050 --> 00:08:01,470So all of these Rancors arebasically gamed. Yeah, that's13300:08:01,470 --> 00:08:04,350like, and it makes sense. Okay,you and everyone agrees with us,13400:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,110okay, you know, I heart they,they spend the money, they get13500:08:07,110 --> 00:08:09,060the views, they're top of thelist. I mean, that's their13600:08:09,060 --> 00:08:12,330prerogative, it's their money.It's like, Does anyone see the13700:08:12,330 --> 00:08:13,710yumminess? And all this?13800:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,970So you're saying, if Iunderstand the way you're13900:08:17,970 --> 00:08:21,270describing this, right, you'resaying that there are, let's14000:08:21,270 --> 00:08:23,250just say their games on,14100:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,440like free to play type games onthe App Stores, the mobile app14200:08:28,440 --> 00:08:36,660stores? That the, the 90% of thereason they exist? Is for is as14300:08:36,660 --> 00:08:43,860cover for this thing? Correct?And so that, so that you can, it14400:08:43,860 --> 00:08:48,090is a valid game. It's sure avalid thing that helps this and14500:08:48,450 --> 00:08:52,440maybe some real people play it,but but its real purpose is for14600:08:52,950 --> 00:08:57,870engineering, advertisingnumbers, correct. Or any type of14700:08:57,870 --> 00:09:01,260numbers, any type of ranking,any type of action that needs to14800:09:01,260 --> 00:09:05,310be that is repetitive. Andbonus. Sometimes the game is a14900:09:05,310 --> 00:09:09,060hit just because of the game.Right? Yeah, that can be your15000:09:09,060 --> 00:09:11,610bonus. But meanwhile, you make agame.15100:09:12,630 --> 00:09:16,200You know? Yeah, it's got to be afree to play game.15200:09:17,310 --> 00:09:20,520And I am and there's there'sfrom the App Store standpoint,15300:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,230there's nothing that triggersthere's no15400:09:23,580 --> 00:09:26,040shenanigans. Oh, well, that'sme. That's the amazing thing is15500:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,720I've listened to differentpeople.15600:09:29,070 --> 00:09:31,650You know, new media show and theone you were on, it was in the15700:09:31,650 --> 00:09:36,300pod, last pod land and pod news.I read around and you know, the15800:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,740basic consensus is, oh, youknow, I mean, I know it seems15900:09:40,740 --> 00:09:43,380weird, but you know, some peoplemight actually be listening to16000:09:43,380 --> 00:09:46,320those to those 20s. They mightlisten longer, they might16100:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,830subscribe. You know, clearlyadvertising works because you16200:09:49,830 --> 00:09:53,760know, people keep doing it. Andthey must be getting an ROI. The16300:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,670joke in advertising is I knowthat half of my advertising is16400:09:56,670 --> 00:09:59,970working. I just don't know whichhalf that's the job.16500:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,020So and you know, it's not allattributable it's not all you16600:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,170can't really track your ROI towhere it's coming from. In16700:10:07,170 --> 00:10:09,990general, it's you know, it'svery hard. It's it's16800:10:14,370 --> 00:10:17,520you know, IAB says, you knowthat I mean, I don't understand16900:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,810how that can be a valid downloadif it's one minute of audio.17000:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,080Well, we talked about it last itwas either last week or the week17100:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,670before we talked about and getthat A B. In Geo. Todd was17200:10:29,670 --> 00:10:32,850saying, there's some people whoare hostile to IB and I'm like,17300:10:32,850 --> 00:10:36,360You know what, from ourstandpoint, we don't truly care17400:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,730about that kind of thing,because that advertising is not17500:10:38,970 --> 00:10:46,530our game. But it but it is, thisis good. This is a really clear17600:10:46,530 --> 00:10:48,240indication of how17700:10:49,620 --> 00:10:54,510how inaccurate and just wildwest that whole thing is to put17800:10:54,510 --> 00:10:59,760us sort of the IB. The way I seethe IB is not necessarily with17900:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,860contempt, it's just withirrelevancy, because, like I'm18000:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,580I'm sorry if there's anyirritation that I have with the18100:11:08,580 --> 00:11:13,290IB is that they charge people$50,000 To put a veil of18200:11:13,290 --> 00:11:16,680legitimacy over a thing that'scompletely This is not new I18300:11:16,680 --> 00:11:22,200mean, you calm was at comScore,you had to subscribe to really18400:11:22,290 --> 00:11:25,260participate in their bid list.If you're if you've got money,18500:11:25,350 --> 00:11:27,570there's people are going to takeit away from you for this very18600:11:27,570 --> 00:11:28,500reason in this18700:11:29,610 --> 00:11:34,650all the time all the time. Butyou know, but here's here's,18800:11:35,490 --> 00:11:38,760here's something with thisknowledge now just like oh, no,18900:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,300okay. Yeah, like, oh, boy,surprise. And, you know,19000:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,230there's, there's some indicationthat Bloomberg themselves might19100:11:46,230 --> 00:11:49,440have been doing this. Buteveryone does it. Yeah. And you19200:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,100have to understand it's likewith all the unicorns I19300:11:53,100 --> 00:11:54,240guarantee you that19400:11:55,290 --> 00:11:59,160every single company hasemployed these at some point19500:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,090where you need a boost or youryour, your your curve on your19600:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,240your spend sometimes it's justyou're not spending enough. What19700:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,780are you spending on? Oh, look atthis at the marketing you know,19800:12:10,500 --> 00:12:14,340the bill comes literally like,like webcam porn bill on your19900:12:14,340 --> 00:12:17,610credit card, you know, marketingservice. Like it Yeah.20000:12:19,530 --> 00:12:23,550This got some clips. This maytie into a little bit of with20100:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,300marketing and advertising stuff.This was bought. So Goldman20200:12:27,300 --> 00:12:30,480Sachs, they had their bigconference. Recently, last20300:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,710couple of weeks, I think20400:12:32,790 --> 00:12:36,990was two weeks ago, I think twoweeks ago. It's like calm20500:12:38,610 --> 00:12:41,640calm aversion. I forget whatthey called us things something20600:12:41,670 --> 00:12:45,780goofy. But they were justinterviews with Bob back ish20700:12:45,780 --> 00:12:46,860from CBS20800:12:48,690 --> 00:12:52,110about he talked a lot abouttheir about streaming services20900:12:52,110 --> 00:12:53,430and about it was it21000:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,560was the name of their Paramountplus their offering and all this21100:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,160kind of stuff. We had a coupleof things to say about21200:13:02,580 --> 00:13:06,660advertising. If you want to hitclip one this is because sort of21300:13:06,930 --> 00:13:09,690his his his thoughts aboutwhat's going on with advertising21400:13:09,690 --> 00:13:13,800now and soon. I'm not saying theworld is as it was in history.21500:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,940But the notion of 23 is doom andgloom, which is out there. I21600:13:17,940 --> 00:13:20,460think it's overplayed. So that'swhat I mean by the ad market21700:13:20,460 --> 00:13:24,330weaknesses overplayed? Certainlyfor us, we're seeing a positive21800:13:24,330 --> 00:13:27,990trend line in the year, Q willchoose better than q1. q3 is21900:13:27,990 --> 00:13:31,590better than q2 and q4 will bebetter than q3. Hmm.22000:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,000Yeah. So, but Okay, so why doyou think22100:13:37,230 --> 00:13:41,880in the television streaming,advertising business?22200:13:43,170 --> 00:13:47,850What could it be? That is goingto cause him to be so confident?22300:13:48,180 --> 00:13:50,610He's, he's confident his q3numbers and that he's going to22400:13:50,610 --> 00:13:55,110be very confident in q4? What Imean, what do you think's going22500:13:55,110 --> 00:13:59,490on here in, in in televisionadvertising? I have no clue. I22600:13:59,490 --> 00:14:02,310mean, and I don't know, maybetelevision advertising is doing22700:14:02,310 --> 00:14:05,940great. It seems to me likeeveryone's cutting budgets. I22800:14:05,940 --> 00:14:10,050don't know how he's gonna answerit. Initially, yes. And clipped22900:14:10,050 --> 00:14:15,240to your old familiar buddies. Sothat's encouraging. That's a23000:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,660function of the share games,particularly the CBS broadcast23100:14:18,660 --> 00:14:22,980network. It's a function of theupfront we laid, which was23200:14:22,980 --> 00:14:26,670really all you up front, we soldsignificantly more inventory. So23300:14:26,670 --> 00:14:30,150we're not that dependent onscatter. And it's election23400:14:30,150 --> 00:14:32,400specific categories, obviouslypolitical.23500:14:33,630 --> 00:14:37,140I like in the back half of thisyear, but also pharma, which was23600:14:37,140 --> 00:14:41,610a big category for us comingback. Pharma. Yeah, like coming23700:14:41,610 --> 00:14:45,390back elections in pharma. Sothey he's confident in quarter23800:14:45,390 --> 00:14:50,070four numbers, not because theyhad scatter as he calls it, but23900:14:50,070 --> 00:14:54,750because they had too big too bigindustry buys elections, and24000:14:54,750 --> 00:14:59,970pharma. That's the No no, well,no, we know what two things the24100:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,090That podcasting advertising doesnot have Yeah, a live24200:15:06,660 --> 00:15:10,560podcast advertising is highlydependent on scatter. So yes,24300:15:10,590 --> 00:15:13,650he's he's doing great CBSbecause they don't have to worry24400:15:13,650 --> 00:15:16,680about scatter wells whatpodcasting gets scatter? Yeah,24500:15:16,860 --> 00:15:19,710he doesn't have to worry aboutit until q1 and everything.24600:15:20,910 --> 00:15:24,690Then he's got some problems.Then he's just got Pharma. Yeah,24700:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,400huh. Well, no, I think Pfizerhas done some, some Viagra ads24800:15:29,430 --> 00:15:30,180here and there24900:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,680hypsi They do everything withthe hips. No, they weren't. They25000:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,740weren't. It was Pharma. I don'tknow who maybe that was a. What25100:15:37,740 --> 00:15:40,590was that for? I can't remember.Now, I don't get that ad25200:15:40,590 --> 00:15:43,080anymore. When I listened to newmedia show now I get to nice25300:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,590again, nice. Like some financialservices I don't need.25400:15:48,030 --> 00:15:51,000He follows it up with a littlebit of talk about programmatic25500:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,820if you want to play yesterday, Idon't feel like we're right now25600:15:53,820 --> 00:15:56,370people think that the market isis weakest, they're worried it's25700:15:56,370 --> 00:15:58,950going to become I mean, you'renot really seeing a particularly25800:15:58,950 --> 00:16:02,280weak ad market right now. Areyou? That's another part of the25900:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,190overblown markets actually,pretty good. I mean, the26000:16:05,550 --> 00:16:08,790programmatic side is weak, butthe linear side is pretty good.26100:16:10,110 --> 00:16:13,800But it's more people are talkingnegative about the ad market26200:16:13,830 --> 00:16:17,730valuations metrics have come in.And people are talking about an26300:16:17,730 --> 00:16:20,700extended slowdown, which again,I just don't think I don't know.26400:16:20,730 --> 00:16:24,660You know, it's a prediction. Butwhat I'm seeing I'm feeling26500:16:24,660 --> 00:16:29,220better about 23 than then thegeneral narrative. Yes, approach26600:16:29,220 --> 00:16:32,310programmatic is weak is what hesaid, you know, he doesn't he's26700:16:32,730 --> 00:16:34,950by his numbers, because hedoesn't have scatter. These are26800:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,060all podcasting, advertising ison the wrong side of all of26900:16:39,060 --> 00:16:43,410these things. Yes. I mean,that's why, look, when I figured27000:16:43,410 --> 00:16:47,220this out, you know, when westarted pod show, the whole idea27100:16:47,220 --> 00:16:51,210was to change advertising. Andso that's when you know, we're27200:16:51,210 --> 00:16:53,640doing and wasn't like a bigchange, because it's been going27300:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,080on and radio for a long time.But you had the additional, you27400:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,600know, now you had an interactivepart where you could send people27500:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,260to a website and use a promocode. And, and that was that was27600:17:04,260 --> 00:17:09,570kind of working, it surely wouldnot scale the way you would ever27700:17:09,570 --> 00:17:12,750imagine. And then, you know, andthen we started, brands started27800:17:12,750 --> 00:17:15,480dipping their toes in, andthey're having a real hard time.27900:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,800And look right now, Twitter.28000:17:18,330 --> 00:17:19,200I think it was at28100:17:20,250 --> 00:17:24,480Nike, and like two big brandspulled all their advertising,28200:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,020because there's some, you know,kiddie Porn was discovered on28300:17:28,020 --> 00:17:32,250the platform. You know, yeah,it's a nightmare. This is always28400:17:32,250 --> 00:17:34,830a nightmare. And you know, hesays, Yeah, linear is doing28500:17:34,830 --> 00:17:38,490okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.I think this, I think it's a28600:17:38,490 --> 00:17:41,520problem. Advertising isimportant. I'm not sure. And I28700:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,000don't care. Let me let youbefore we play the last clip. We28800:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,040don't even have to play it ifyou don't want to, but you can.28900:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,480Don't feeling froggy. No. So we,we did an experiment. And I29000:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,150added the no agenda, Sunday andThursday, show to Opie three,29100:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,190the open podcast,29200:18:01,650 --> 00:18:02,670pre prefix,29300:18:03,870 --> 00:18:05,640Project projects, thank you.29400:18:07,380 --> 00:18:10,470So we could see what's going on,and see how it worked. And the29500:18:10,470 --> 00:18:14,430system held up and there wasjust a lot of cool looking29600:18:14,430 --> 00:18:19,440charts and numbers and bignumbers and smaller numbers. And29700:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,500so the, the reason why I feltokay with doing this is because29800:18:22,530 --> 00:18:25,650I don't really care, it justdoesn't really matter. But what29900:18:25,650 --> 00:18:29,430I noticed is, as you know, asthe posting goes back and forth,30000:18:29,430 --> 00:18:32,670and you're drilling down andlook at this, I'm like, I'm30100:18:32,670 --> 00:18:35,580getting, am I getting more andmore interested about how many30200:18:35,580 --> 00:18:38,940people listen to this, I had tostop myself, it's like, no,30300:18:39,030 --> 00:18:42,750because you'll never know,you'll never know you're just30400:18:42,750 --> 00:18:46,410not gonna, and then I flip overto the lb stats. And I can see30500:18:46,410 --> 00:18:48,330that, you know, on this show.30600:18:49,740 --> 00:18:53,400Seven minutes in, there's 59People who are streaming sites,30700:18:53,430 --> 00:18:56,670you know, that just shows methat right there. And I, and I'm30800:18:56,670 --> 00:18:59,340really good about that, like 59people are listening at that30900:18:59,340 --> 00:19:02,760very moment. And someone sent toboost here. And look at that31000:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,460line barely, barely tapers off.Have you seen our that we just31100:19:08,460 --> 00:19:12,750had some stats in the I haven'thad the evolution? I should31200:19:12,750 --> 00:19:17,670look, it's very exciting. It'sso funny how and you don't like31300:19:17,670 --> 00:19:19,560I just don't care that muchabout stats.31400:19:20,940 --> 00:19:24,810But these stats are cool. Youlook at that. I mean, because31500:19:24,810 --> 00:19:28,230that's actual data and it showsthat people are listening pretty31600:19:28,230 --> 00:19:30,570much all the way through thethrough the show to the board31700:19:30,570 --> 00:19:30,960meeting.31800:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,580Which was nice you know, what'sfunny is the the only thing that31900:19:35,580 --> 00:19:38,340we can say for sure after32000:19:39,540 --> 00:19:44,550after one round of of the noagenda show being on op three.32100:19:45,480 --> 00:19:51,030Is that the lit the number oflisteners is somewhere between32200:19:51,450 --> 00:19:57,18090,700 1000 Yeah, that's kind ofthe impression I got plus walk32300:19:57,180 --> 00:19:59,970where where that is. I have noidea32400:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,800If Well, if the total amount oflisteners is 90,000, then every32500:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,820single one of them has way toomuch dispensable income. Yeah,32600:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,150that that can't be the casecan't be right. It's way north32700:20:12,150 --> 00:20:18,090of that. The weather how, howfar south of 700,000? It is. I32800:20:18,090 --> 00:20:21,090don't know, I've been looking.It's this has been a pet project32900:20:21,090 --> 00:20:24,030all week of, I thought youdidn't care about stats. And now33000:20:24,090 --> 00:20:28,230that this is the priority tohear you our stats, but like on33100:20:28,230 --> 00:20:33,150our show, that I was talkingabout stats, okay. Now be stats33200:20:33,180 --> 00:20:34,800stats is also our stats.33300:20:35,850 --> 00:20:41,730Yeah, no, well, I'm like, thisis more this is less of an33400:20:41,730 --> 00:20:45,300interest in like stats for thesake of figuring things out for33500:20:45,300 --> 00:20:49,290myself. Now, you're a horrordata. Don't ever date a whore?33600:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,020Yes, the data whore. And so I'mlike,33700:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,980you know, I just want to seethese numbers that I can't make33800:20:55,980 --> 00:20:57,060any sense out of.33900:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,590I just want to make some senseout of looking at them. And so34000:21:01,590 --> 00:21:02,250I'm like, Okay,34100:21:03,540 --> 00:21:06,870let me let me figure out adifferent way to slice Oh, no, I34200:21:06,870 --> 00:21:09,600know. Now, this is what'sirritating me. I can feel you34300:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,080doing this. And I know that itnever ends. This rabbit hole34400:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,910does not end with meeting Alice.34500:21:16,230 --> 00:21:20,730It ends with the IAB with somecompromise. Yeah, that's what it34600:21:20,730 --> 00:21:24,210ends. So I just hope you don'tspend the rest of your life34700:21:24,210 --> 00:21:29,760doing this. No, I'm, I'm slowlygetting bored. As what's what is34800:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240happening? And, you know, I waslike, I'm marginally interested.34900:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,810But you know, obviously, what'swhat's what's happening here is35000:21:36,810 --> 00:21:38,880this. There's nothing that'sreally of interest to me if35100:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,310there's a chart that I couldlook at, but that's kind of35200:21:41,310 --> 00:21:46,470cool. But again, I know it hasit has no relationship to how I35300:21:46,470 --> 00:21:50,340feel about the program. How wedid you know?35400:21:51,390 --> 00:21:55,560Now, I don't know, I think thevalue value is just a lot a lot35500:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,310better. For me. It's like, okay,we didn't get as much. Maybe we35600:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,740didn't do something right. Let'stalk about everyone. Okay. All35700:22:01,740 --> 00:22:04,080right, move on. Do better. Andit works.35800:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,950And then look at the dashboard.Now that's pretty that's pretty35900:22:07,950 --> 00:22:10,890solid. I mean, I know. Peopledon't drop off really?36000:22:11,970 --> 00:22:16,470Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there'slike, it's pretty, it's pretty36100:22:16,470 --> 00:22:20,130good. I mean, like, there's justlike this. ever so slight dip.36200:22:21,030 --> 00:22:22,860Towards the end. That's, that'sabout it.36300:22:24,600 --> 00:22:30,720Yeah, no, I don't the winning sonaive. I will. I will echo Todd36400:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,440Cochran ins,36500:22:33,120 --> 00:22:38,190you know, warnings about statsin calculations.36600:22:39,270 --> 00:22:43,620And I think in retrospect, Ishould take his warnings as36700:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,830this is not fun.36800:22:48,420 --> 00:22:51,150He's trying to figure out whatcomes from what and what's36900:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,840the target. It's never ending.It's never ending. But what I37000:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,320like and what I would love tohave, what I really enjoyed37100:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,940looking at is all the refer.37200:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,500You know what apps they are.That's cool. That's really37300:23:07,530 --> 00:23:08,550that's interesting.37400:23:09,570 --> 00:23:14,430I got people listening to me onthe Roku. Yeah, yeah, that's37500:23:14,430 --> 00:23:18,930funny stuff. Yeah, the Roku. Andalso stuff. I've never heard of37600:23:18,930 --> 00:23:22,620stage fright. What is stagefright? Right? I mean, and these37700:23:22,620 --> 00:23:26,370I think are, maybe they're, whatdo you call them? What's the37800:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,930what's that open source?37900:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,400Everyone uses it. You can youcan load it on the Umbral now.38000:23:34,110 --> 00:23:37,770So it's a media server, mediaserver, and you can load38100:23:37,770 --> 00:23:41,880different apps. Apps on it. Yes.Podcast, like Plex or something.38200:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,850That's it Plex. Okay. Stuff likethat.38300:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,080Yeah, that was kind of fun.Yeah. What you see quickly are38400:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,040in the numbers is like, okay,clusters, clusters of downloads38500:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,550coming from, like big clustersof downloads coming from a38600:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,970single IP address, but differentapps. Yeah, you're like, Okay,38700:24:02,970 --> 00:24:06,270well, this is a this is a VPN.Yeah. Okay. Well, that VPN,38800:24:06,270 --> 00:24:09,660you'll never know what thatmeans. You can't pull numbers38900:24:09,660 --> 00:24:12,690out of that. It's just a bigblob. And it's a big,39000:24:12,930 --> 00:24:14,370inscrutable blob.39100:24:15,690 --> 00:24:19,680So I mean, you just like youjust give up. It just solidified39200:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,960that this is the podcastindustrial complex and the39300:24:21,960 --> 00:24:28,770numbers. It's been 20 years.It's still a it's a cluster F.39400:24:29,100 --> 00:24:32,130It's the same with Nielsenratings is the same with39500:24:32,130 --> 00:24:38,100everything isn't then I'm justnot getting the value out of out39600:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,160of the hole. It bugs me morethan anything. It's like that39700:24:41,160 --> 00:24:47,310just No, no. I drilled down onone IP, one IP hash. It was one39800:24:47,310 --> 00:24:52,200IP hash with an apple podcastuser agent. And it had something39900:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,970like 40,000 range requests. I'mlike, this is not possible.40000:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,000What's your range request ourarray of you were you40100:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,030we're downloading little bitsand pieces at a time partials,40200:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,400partials when you're straight,you're just streaming and like,40300:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,180well, there's no way thatsomebody listens to this podcast40400:25:09,210 --> 00:25:12,630at seven times in a row. Right?Right here doesn't make any40500:25:12,630 --> 00:25:16,560sense. Yeah. So but that'sexactly it. And you, and I've40600:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,470been doing this since 1990s.Five, with the advanced40700:25:22,470 --> 00:25:28,200statistics Analysis ProgramASAP, where we did web stats for40800:25:28,200 --> 00:25:35,040Yeah, grep, basically. And it'salways been fluffy at best. You40900:25:35,610 --> 00:25:39,690know, is there a lot of validityto having this data and not41000:25:39,690 --> 00:25:43,170looking at it as stats foradvertising? Oh, hell yeah. I'm41100:25:43,170 --> 00:25:44,250glad I can contribute.41200:25:45,270 --> 00:25:46,830I think hopefully, it washelpful.41300:25:48,060 --> 00:25:52,740Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's funto look at and try to like, I41400:25:52,740 --> 00:25:54,900see it as a big. Here's another.41500:25:56,490 --> 00:25:59,460Here's another way that thiscould go. You know what,41600:25:59,460 --> 00:26:01,470actually what we should bringour guest and that way, because41700:26:01,470 --> 00:26:05,790I think this may revolve aroundhim too. I'm glad you reminded41800:26:05,790 --> 00:26:08,010me. I've forgotten him twicealready today.41900:26:09,210 --> 00:26:12,720Just kidding. He's asleep in thelobby. Welcome to42000:26:13,980 --> 00:26:17,940open up the door. Welcome to theboard meeting. Co Founder of42100:26:17,940 --> 00:26:23,250iv.fm. Mike van Haida hide, Idid it. I screwed it up, even42200:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,580though I knew better. Mike vanHyde. Hey, Mike. That's great.42300:26:26,580 --> 00:26:27,780Thank you very much for havingme.42400:26:28,950 --> 00:26:32,910I'm sorry. It's the Dutch in melike I want to say, as my fun hi42500:26:32,910 --> 00:26:36,180to Hey, Michael. Yeah, that'swhat I want to do.42600:26:38,220 --> 00:26:42,330Your original pronunciation? HowDutch? Are you, Mike? I mean,42700:26:42,330 --> 00:26:45,360how far does that get back inyour family? Oh, wait a long,42800:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,890long way. So it's, we know it'sprobably Dutch, but I don't I42900:26:49,890 --> 00:26:52,230don't know that we now you know,trace it back to Europe or43000:26:52,230 --> 00:26:54,960anything. Oh, so you haven'tbeen to the Motherland to go.43100:26:56,010 --> 00:26:57,570Oh, goodness. Okay.43200:26:58,830 --> 00:27:00,210Well, welcome, Mike.43300:27:01,260 --> 00:27:04,530And I think maybe we should juststart off by you telling us43400:27:04,530 --> 00:27:08,820about IV dot IFAM, which Ihaven't used pretty much at all.43500:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280But I understand this is a greatway to search and to keep track43600:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,100of things, all thingspodcasting. Is that fair to say?43700:27:17,610 --> 00:27:18,600Yes, I think so.43800:27:20,250 --> 00:27:25,590So iv.fm, what we're trying todo is to sort of understand43900:27:25,620 --> 00:27:29,010exactly what each episode isabout what people are involved44000:27:29,010 --> 00:27:33,270with topics, and then let thelistener follow or explore from44100:27:33,270 --> 00:27:37,710there. And so, as an example,you were on Glenn Beck a few44200:27:37,710 --> 00:27:41,790days ago, and someone that waslistening to his podcast might44300:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,580not be familiar with you. And soyou would you would be right44400:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,580there. And think like, oh, Adamcurry I liked I liked this44500:27:47,580 --> 00:27:50,070segment. And then they couldclick More and follow you and44600:27:50,070 --> 00:27:52,020see all the podcasts areassociated with all the other44700:27:52,020 --> 00:27:56,820interviews you've done. And it'swe have a million topics that we44800:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,240follow. And so you can followany of those the same way you44900:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,040would follow a podcast. Wow, mypopularity peaked around 2021.45000:28:06,180 --> 00:28:08,670That was probably a Roganepisode. Could I drill down into45100:28:08,670 --> 00:28:11,730that and find out what was so Iwas so popular. That's just kind45200:28:11,730 --> 00:28:16,020of cool. We did what's on thewebsite is cash, but I could45300:28:16,020 --> 00:28:19,830definitely send you the for thefull list. That's That's really45400:28:19,830 --> 00:28:22,830interesting. Can you make it soanything people search for45500:28:22,830 --> 00:28:24,360brings up me? That would be45600:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,620okay, I was looking I was doingsome searches a couple of days45700:28:31,620 --> 00:28:36,330ago, around in the app, and Iwas looking at things that how45800:28:36,330 --> 00:28:39,660do you I mean, you're you'rereally accurate with pulling45900:28:39,660 --> 00:28:40,500things out.46000:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,670Like you can follow a persondown to shows like with title in46100:28:47,670 --> 00:28:52,110the description. Are you usinglike a machine learning model?46200:28:52,500 --> 00:28:55,980Or what are you what are youdoing there? i It's hard to say46300:28:56,010 --> 00:28:58,410the heuristics get complicatedand more complicated. And I46400:28:58,410 --> 00:29:01,050don't know at what point theybecome ml. But46500:29:02,190 --> 00:29:06,060we do we do have a system thatis proprietary that we built it46600:29:06,090 --> 00:29:10,500treats every field in the RSSseparately. So there's a one46700:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,810thing that's working on likekeywords in person tags and46800:29:12,810 --> 00:29:15,240other thing that works on thetitles and other on the46900:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,450descriptions. And then the ideais just sort of all those work47000:29:18,450 --> 00:29:21,210together to sort of identify allthe pieces parts of the of it.47100:29:21,330 --> 00:29:24,180The main thing we don't use thismay be surprising is the47200:29:24,180 --> 00:29:27,570transcript data itself. We'velooked at that a bit. It's just47300:29:27,570 --> 00:29:31,110a little bit messy. But I thinkat some point as we might47400:29:31,470 --> 00:29:35,580incorporate that as well. Thisis clearly your your wheelhouse47500:29:35,610 --> 00:29:41,160is is the search and like key. Ihate to call it even keywords47600:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,010because it's not really keywordyou're sort of like taking47700:29:44,610 --> 00:29:47,700taking bits of data and makingsort of making tokens out of47800:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,550them. It feels like exactlybecause it's not it's not just47900:29:50,550 --> 00:29:55,380people it's also you know, thethe, the you know, hash the hash48000:29:55,740 --> 00:29:59,970topics, hashtag people. This isinteresting. Oh,48100:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,300Um, what are you pulling in? Areyou pulling in the person tag or48200:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,170location? Like, what tags areyou consuming? For this in48300:30:07,170 --> 00:30:10,920particular? It's the the title,the description, the keywords48400:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,590and the person tag. Okay, okay.Amen. My, my podcast with my48500:30:16,590 --> 00:30:19,440wife isn't in here, you're notyou're thinking, Oh, man.48600:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,740This is no good. So you don'tyou're not pulling in from the48700:30:25,740 --> 00:30:30,150index, then we pull some fromthe index. There is48800:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960you mostly aligned with applethat we do have pot, obviously,48900:30:34,050 --> 00:30:36,150we have this podcast, we havesome other ones that are not an49000:30:36,150 --> 00:30:41,130apple. Apple helps us with somepopularity measurement. So49100:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,380that's, that's sort of why welike to do that. But we'll add49200:30:43,380 --> 00:30:46,080anything. There's no, there's nolike allegiance to Apple or49300:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,770anything. Now, let me let me askyou about that connection with49400:30:49,770 --> 00:30:53,280Apple. So how do you get thatdata? Is there some kind of49500:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,360developer program that you canhook into their API? No, I mean,49600:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,320it's all sort of public. And sowe pull in a number of sources49700:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,290to try and understand thelistening guide, as best we can.49800:31:04,410 --> 00:31:06,930Our you know, our, we're prettysmall. So our listening data49900:31:06,930 --> 00:31:09,870would give you kind of randomresults, I think it would be50000:31:09,870 --> 00:31:13,800very skewed. And so this sortof, I think it was Kennedy50100:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,950original topic, when you whenyou open the podcast is probably50200:31:16,950 --> 00:31:18,810directionally correct, maybe,but it wouldn't trust the50300:31:18,810 --> 00:31:22,650numbers. Exactly. And are youworried about Apple ever waking50400:31:22,650 --> 00:31:26,700up and deciding to not make thatpublic? I think that's a50500:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,380possibility. That's what we'retrying to pull from a number of50600:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,580sources besides apple, butRight, so far, it hasn't been a50700:31:32,580 --> 00:31:34,890problem yet. But we're we'redefinitely expanding beyond50800:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,280beyond apple. Now. Is this acompany? Are you guys making50900:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,190money? I mean, what is what'sthe business model? So we do not51000:31:44,190 --> 00:31:47,790make money, we lose money. Thecompany is this, my wife and I51100:31:47,790 --> 00:31:49,860actually podcasting my friend.51200:31:51,210 --> 00:31:51,810Podcasting51300:31:53,910 --> 00:31:55,080will make it up in volume.51400:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,270We're looking at some ways tomake money, I think the data51500:32:03,270 --> 00:32:04,230itself is actually51600:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,310boost, I can see of avenueswhere it would be really51700:32:08,310 --> 00:32:11,610interesting to folks. And thenthere's, you know, probably ways51800:32:11,610 --> 00:32:14,640that we could do things. There'scertainly the value providers,51900:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280something I was hoping to getbefore before we talk today, or52000:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,500in some edge cases, and I'mterrified of taking people's52100:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,840money. So we we backed off fornow, but that is something in52200:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,470the works. But there should belike avenues to help52300:32:25,470 --> 00:32:26,370advertisers.52400:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,390Identify podcasts. And we thinkthere's a lot of a lot of angles52500:32:30,390 --> 00:32:33,810here. Just typing some stuff inI'm very impressed at how the52600:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,540how the search works. I mean,that's cool. And then the52700:32:36,540 --> 00:32:40,860results you get back at I see.apologizes hadn't haven't had an52800:32:40,860 --> 00:32:42,900opportunity to really messaround. And I'm just doing on52900:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,800the web. So I can imagine theapp is a million times more53000:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,070interesting to interact withthis cool, man, I really like53100:32:50,070 --> 00:32:53,280it. Thank you for theinteresting. So the trending53200:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,690topics I'm seeing it's53300:32:55,860 --> 00:32:58,710at least on the side, I'm not Idon't have my phone next to me.53400:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,240So I don't know about the appyet. But53500:33:01,350 --> 00:33:04,440and I think it was the same thismorning on the app to a53600:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,400hurricane in hurricanes, JoeBiden, Russia, Ron DeSantis,53700:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000cue, like, these, these trendingtopics? Are those coming from53800:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,670Apple? Are those coming fromyour own analysis? No, no, these53900:33:14,670 --> 00:33:18,510are all from our own analysis.The trending is sort of we take54000:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,600what we know, we know about howmany episodes should appear for54100:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,570each topic. And so to the extentthat there's more than we would54200:33:24,570 --> 00:33:28,110anticipate, that's how we sortof ranked the trending. And so54300:33:28,110 --> 00:33:31,290that's where you see Hercynianand Nord Stream, being sort of54400:33:31,290 --> 00:33:33,900the top two, and then we'retrying to provide more context54500:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,990like, Well, why are thosetrending? And that's where we do54600:33:37,230 --> 00:33:40,200keywords that are trending withthose. And that's where you get,54700:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,440you know, hurricanes trendingwith Hurricane Ian, or Joe54800:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,710Biden, or Cuban or Ron DeSantis.And then off to the side, we're54900:33:46,710 --> 00:33:50,820also pulling in 10,000, Newsources, because they're also55000:33:50,820 --> 00:33:54,540RSS, so it's easy to kind of dothe same operation on so we can55100:33:54,540 --> 00:33:57,630give extra context of like, youknow, why is it this thing?55200:33:59,010 --> 00:34:01,920trending? Well, because, youknow, a lot of this thing can be55300:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,870an expert in everything. Andthere are things that come up55400:34:03,870 --> 00:34:06,510here, and I think, oh, there's abug or what is that weird thing?55500:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,730And then nobody is wrestling orit's something else that I'm55600:34:08,730 --> 00:34:10,410not, you know, this not in mywheelhouse.55700:34:11,460 --> 00:34:14,220Okay, so that's, that'sinteresting, because on the on55800:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,820the app, you don't get I didn'tsee the news. I don't guess55900:34:17,820 --> 00:34:21,210that's in there. It's good forscreenspace. That's true. You56000:34:21,210 --> 00:34:24,090know, the app is something thatwe need to circle back to, and I56100:34:24,090 --> 00:34:26,190think probably needs a completerewrite.56200:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,180Most of our development,attention has been on the56300:34:30,180 --> 00:34:33,090website. So question, sincewe're kind of talking about56400:34:33,090 --> 00:34:35,220stats and stuff to bring it backto that.56500:34:36,510 --> 00:34:40,410And I have another idea aboutthis for later. Would it be56600:34:40,410 --> 00:34:46,920helpful if you could get maybeit's a 1% split that you could56700:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,480get from a number of podcaststhat would send to you so that56800:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,940you could do more precisetracking? I mean,56900:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,530we're talking about all thestats right and what is really,57000:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,970I mean, download57100:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,660Some partials and range requestsand everything. Whereas I look57200:35:03,660 --> 00:35:06,780at the get Alby stats, I'm gonnalike, okay, of the people that57300:35:06,780 --> 00:35:10,380are used listening to my podcastand value for value, which,57400:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,280whatever that number is, here's,here's the, this is actual57500:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,480listens per minute. Wouldn'tthat be, like a fantastic data57600:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,240source? And I mean, I could seewhere, I mean, I've put us57700:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,870percent split in there, so thatyou can do some stuff with that.57800:35:24,870 --> 00:35:28,200And it just seems like such anobvious thing. And you57900:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560contribute to the to theservice, who's providing the58000:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,890stats? Yeah, absolutely. I mean,maybe that could be something58100:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,560that would sort of jive with thewith the LP three stuff.58200:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,070But yeah, we track actuallyevery 10 seconds. So as people58300:35:41,070 --> 00:35:45,150listen, so that's helpful forour own internal usage. But58400:35:45,150 --> 00:35:47,880right, you know, it's still it'skind of bias to what people are58500:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,960listening to on IV.58600:35:50,610 --> 00:35:53,820Right. I was just thinking thatwhen an opportunity, you know,58700:35:53,820 --> 00:35:58,680or maybe there's so many coolservices, we can do. I mean, I58800:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,030was, what is that?58900:36:01,590 --> 00:36:05,340Someone posted to this opensource transcription software,59000:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,650which apparently does okay, like85 90% accuracy? Every day, I59100:36:10,650 --> 00:36:14,400think. Yeah. I mean, theWhisper, whisper. Yeah, whisper59200:36:14,430 --> 00:36:19,560Yeah. So Well, I mean, if I, ifI haven't, I think if I were a59300:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,870developer, I might possibly sayyou don't want to set up a59400:36:21,870 --> 00:36:26,430service here. And you get yourtranscript in return for a59500:36:26,430 --> 00:36:28,200split. Done.59600:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,150Okay, this just fits intosomething. So I had a phone call59700:36:33,150 --> 00:36:38,790with the guy yesterday and guyabout a thing, a guy, a guy. And59800:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,190we were talking about this abouttranscripts and chapters, in a59900:36:44,190 --> 00:36:47,880way, too, because they have someideas for for providing60000:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,800transcripts and chapterservices.60100:36:51,060 --> 00:36:57,900And the discussion really, kindof stalled because we were think60200:36:57,900 --> 00:37:03,000we were just brainstorming, howyou could link up these things60300:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,210between a hosting company and,and the third party service. So60400:37:09,210 --> 00:37:11,340you have a third party serviceis going to provide you let's60500:37:11,340 --> 00:37:12,540just say transcripts.60600:37:13,620 --> 00:37:16,680Well, and then you got a hostingcompany where the podcaster is60700:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,650going to create their episode,they pumped they they launch,60800:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,970they record their episode,upload it to the host, publish60900:37:23,970 --> 00:37:28,470it. Now you've got now they wantto use this third party service61000:37:28,470 --> 00:37:33,270to do their to do theirtranscript. And the idea is that61100:37:33,270 --> 00:37:37,020you would have the ability topost an episode,61200:37:38,070 --> 00:37:43,050and then just do nothing. Likeyou're you're done. You don't61300:37:43,050 --> 00:37:47,670have the story. Yeah, no. Three,has the transcript automatically61400:37:47,670 --> 00:37:51,570generate on this third partyservice? Yeah. Then no, then61500:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,000somehow let the hosting companyknow that it's finished. And61600:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,420then it gets pulled into the RSSof the episode.61700:38:01,650 --> 00:38:06,330Well, like that's, you couldmake an integration. There's61800:38:06,330 --> 00:38:09,030some sort of API back and forthintegration, but you know,61900:38:09,030 --> 00:38:12,420integrations break and, and whoknows if this is much of a62000:38:12,420 --> 00:38:15,270moneymaker. And like, thingslike that, there are things out62100:38:15,270 --> 00:38:20,820there like the like that in thatcategory of, of a want to do.62200:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,270There are things out there likethat, that I feel like there's62300:38:24,270 --> 00:38:25,500needs to be some sort of62400:38:26,820 --> 00:38:28,650loose connectivity62500:38:29,820 --> 00:38:32,790between between parts almostlike,62600:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,820because everything isdecentralized, and you want to62700:38:35,820 --> 00:38:38,520maintain the decentralizationtowards decentralized nature.62800:38:38,790 --> 00:38:41,880You sort of also want todecentralize the connectivity62900:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,850between things, I want to beable to say, well, here's my,63000:38:45,030 --> 00:38:51,180here's my podcast, over at overat blueberry. Yeah. And here's63100:38:51,180 --> 00:38:55,170my hosting, here's my transcriptcompany I want to use. And then63200:38:55,170 --> 00:38:57,180here's my chapters company, Idon't want to use, which is63300:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,960another one. And I want to like,link all this stuff together,63400:39:01,410 --> 00:39:05,280where it all works. But I don'twant to require that the hosting63500:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,980companies and these other twocompanies all do a bunch of back63600:39:07,980 --> 00:39:12,600end API integration. There's gotto be a solution to this. And I63700:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,610feel like I haven't told you alittle bit about pod pain,63800:39:14,610 --> 00:39:18,060meaning, I don't know if all thesolutions need to come from the63900:39:18,060 --> 00:39:19,170hosting companies.64000:39:22,380 --> 00:39:25,200No, I mean, I mean, there'sslugs, there's all kinds of64100:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,700things that I mean, hostingcompanies. No, it's, I think any64200:39:29,700 --> 00:39:33,030hosting company can see justlook at the namespace. There's64300:39:33,030 --> 00:39:38,280your roadmap, choose which orderyou want to do it in, and how64400:39:38,340 --> 00:39:41,490and how and for them, I thinkthe way Buzzsprout does, it64500:39:41,490 --> 00:39:44,490makes the most sense. And othersdo it, of course, is you know,64600:39:44,490 --> 00:39:47,910contract out to a transcriptionservice. I mean, now I think we64700:39:47,910 --> 00:39:51,600got Rube Goldberg machine. WhatI'm talking about is I don't64800:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,900have a hosting service or justwhatever whatever it is, but64900:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,450even if I have a hostingservice, and here's a here's a65000:39:57,450 --> 00:39:59,970cool add on that I don't reallyhave to involve my hosts65100:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,250In service with at all. Okay,perfect example here op three65200:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,810perfect example because op threeexists.65300:40:10,830 --> 00:40:15,240It's not going to be amoneymaker. I mean, it's not in65400:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,690desperately not as intense isintent. So65500:40:19,770 --> 00:40:21,660but you want people to be ableto use it65600:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,980without having to email theirhosting company and ask them to65700:40:25,980 --> 00:40:28,140integrate like, there needs to65800:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,520be see what I'm saying there?Yeah feels like there needs to65900:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,090be you're you're trying to fix aproblem that you can't fix, we66000:40:36,090 --> 00:40:39,180can in some cases, like the shimfor the value block.66100:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,810Again, a centralized solutionfor really a distributed66200:40:45,810 --> 00:40:46,350problem.66300:40:47,940 --> 00:40:52,110Yeah, it will, you know, itfeels like there ought to be66400:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,790some sort of protocol, linkageprotocol, where, where two66500:40:59,790 --> 00:41:04,770parties can can do a thingtogether66600:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,500without having to create APIintegrations, and do a bunch of66700:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,260work like that, where I can,where eyes, the end user can66800:41:13,260 --> 00:41:16,260say, Okay, I've got thisservice. And I've also got this66900:41:16,260 --> 00:41:22,290other service. I'm making a linkbetween them myself. Yeah. Yeah.67000:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,510Well, that's not that's notalways good. That's not always67100:41:24,510 --> 00:41:27,180going to be possible hostingcompanies are in different67200:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,950stages of development. Yeah, soI'm just talking generally, I'm67300:41:31,950 --> 00:41:35,790not trying to solve for thehosting company's business, or67400:41:35,790 --> 00:41:37,230anybody's business, I guess.67500:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,960But I like I like the idea thata new servers could be set up67600:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,700and how that integrates. I mean,I mean, it, I don't know,67700:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,730somehow just felt to me, like,there's, there's gotta be a way67800:41:50,730 --> 00:41:55,020to do it, this transcriptionservice someone, you can run it67900:41:55,020 --> 00:41:57,060yourself, which, you know, I'mlooking, I could probably run68000:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,580this myself, it would take me aday, and like, I'm not gonna do68100:41:59,580 --> 00:42:02,820that. I got to do other stuff.But if someone said it up and68200:42:02,820 --> 00:42:06,630said, Okay, I can take, youknow, X amount of clients, and,68300:42:06,750 --> 00:42:09,480you know, here's your slug, orwhatever. And then, you know, we68400:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,450we just need to just point it tothis, and that's where your68500:42:12,450 --> 00:42:13,530transcript will be.68600:42:14,850 --> 00:42:18,900Now, that would be cool. I mean,that I would give up honored for68700:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,780that, you know, no problem. Andmaybe that's, maybe I'm special68800:42:21,810 --> 00:42:27,060special. Because I, I use, I'mspoiled because of sovereign68900:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,530feeds. I'm a spoiled brat. Yes.See, that's what we were talking69000:42:31,530 --> 00:42:33,780about in the call yesterday,it's like, well, you know, we69100:42:33,780 --> 00:42:36,660can do this so easily, becausewe control the feed, but like69200:42:36,660 --> 00:42:40,56090% of podcasters not they don'thave this luxury now, and69300:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,190they're not, you know, thatthere's been something like that69400:42:44,190 --> 00:42:49,230also applies to, to like youwith IV Mike. I mean, like, you69500:42:49,230 --> 00:42:55,440have this ability to with yourin with your engine to extract69600:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,460all this. All the keywords andtokens and people and you've69700:42:59,490 --> 00:43:03,240you've got all this information,somebody may want to hook into69800:43:03,690 --> 00:43:07,950to your service. And like payyou to be able to pull that69900:43:07,950 --> 00:43:12,870stuff out and put it into theirpodcast as recommendations or70000:43:12,870 --> 00:43:16,950some some other thing. Like,there might be some linkage in70100:43:16,950 --> 00:43:20,610the future there. If we can sortof crack this nut is this where70200:43:20,610 --> 00:43:23,610that that? I'm sorry, go answerthat. Mike. I'm sorry. I just70300:43:23,610 --> 00:43:27,030jumped in front, just as beingrude. Yeah, definitely. We're70400:43:27,030 --> 00:43:30,870definitely looking to open upthe beyond the UI and make it70500:43:30,870 --> 00:43:33,810make API calls for all thisstuff. So that somebody could70600:43:33,810 --> 00:43:34,350hook in?70700:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,300Yeah, because because you canimagine the podcasts are wanting70800:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,000recommendations on what, youknow, what keyword should I use?70900:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,360What, what's the keyword? What'sthe volume on those? Like, how71000:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,510many other people are talkingabout this? And who else is71100:43:48,510 --> 00:43:51,300talking about this? And we couldtell you that in in almost real71200:43:51,300 --> 00:43:51,630time?71300:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,230Yeah, it'd be cool. Isn't this?Isn't this where that71400:43:56,490 --> 00:43:59,400LSAT comes in? Isn't LSAT meantfor this?71500:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,400Is anybody using LSAT is? Yeah,I think I get a read on it. But71600:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,420you know, Well,71700:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,630Dave, we picked up on on keysand, which nobody was using,71800:44:12,690 --> 00:44:15,120and we turned it into apowerhouse71900:44:17,850 --> 00:44:22,380true. I just don't I don't knowI've always hear you always hear72000:44:22,410 --> 00:44:25,830oh, you should use LSAT, butthen I'm not I don't see anybody72100:44:25,830 --> 00:44:31,710doing it. But we could give it ashot. I mean, the the really72200:44:31,710 --> 00:44:35,610boils down to for me is whatwhat is making podcasts and 2.072300:44:35,610 --> 00:44:38,940work and and I want to hear MikeI want to hear your opinion on72400:44:38,940 --> 00:44:42,720this is obviously there's Hey,there's features, we have72500:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,840hundreds of 1000s of feeds nowusing these new features. So72600:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,830there's content to be consumed.And you know, this data is just72700:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,500sitting there. And as adeveloper, by the way, Apple72800:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,080should be embarrassed ofthemselves, that they haven't72900:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,590implemented at least one of oneone piece of the namespace73000:44:58,740 --> 00:44:59,970because I know that73100:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,810They know the developers, I'msure the team feels generally73200:45:03,810 --> 00:45:07,560embarrassed that they cannoteven keep up with, you know,73300:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,340with, with the simplest of ofweb apps that are just showing73400:45:11,340 --> 00:45:14,130more data from podcasts, andthey just can't do it. I mean, I73500:45:14,130 --> 00:45:18,510know that they will, Apple willimplement namespace73600:45:19,710 --> 00:45:20,940tag tags for sure.73700:45:23,370 --> 00:45:27,480But the scriptable money part,that's the part that brings it73800:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,210all together. Because even ifyou, even if you're not in this73900:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,750for money, and most of usaren't, just seeing those those74000:45:33,750 --> 00:45:36,810bits, you're part of the networkor the physical network is a74100:45:36,810 --> 00:45:39,900payment going, people aresending value, you're getting74200:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,840it, you're receiving it, that'sexciting. And there's always the74300:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,840possibility that this will grow.And lots of people will do it.74400:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,660And it's, you know, all trendspoint that way. But it's when74500:45:51,660 --> 00:45:54,450you really stop and think aboutscriptable money, how that74600:45:54,450 --> 00:45:57,000solves so many of theseproblems. That's why I keep74700:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,260coming back to LSAT.74800:45:59,730 --> 00:46:03,330It's worth a shot. Yeah, it'sworth I want to try to explain74900:46:03,330 --> 00:46:05,550it what it is. LSAT,75000:46:07,290 --> 00:46:13,500if understand LSAT is is a tokenthat you get this like a got a75100:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,570lifetime. It's like a,75200:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,340like a macaroon kind of is isnot? I think it's good. Yeah.75300:46:20,340 --> 00:46:25,650And then allows you to enter tointeract with an API. And it's a75400:46:25,650 --> 00:46:32,550way to get like, the predefinedyou're charging for the API. For75500:46:32,580 --> 00:46:37,080for access is to sort of likeOpen Graph, and I think pod75600:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,820chaser does something. Yeah,it's like this HTTP, HTTP plus75700:46:41,820 --> 00:46:45,720macaroons plus lightning. That'salright. So you set your75800:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,380permissions, you set that, andit works on the old, what is it?75900:46:49,380 --> 00:46:54,990The the error of the error code?Was it 402 payment required?76000:46:56,010 --> 00:46:58,080That's the HTTP spec.76100:46:59,820 --> 00:47:05,070But that was a hack. And we hadlong discussions with, with some76200:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,470guys there in Austin, about howto use it and that kind of thing76300:47:07,470 --> 00:47:10,260to begin with, it ended up notbeing, like I'm doing right from76400:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,650year one, right for us, becausewe want to do it in a charged76500:47:13,650 --> 00:47:17,610API. But that, I mean, it's us,there may be time to revisit76600:47:17,610 --> 00:47:20,760that it could, it could, itcould be an interesting play,76700:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,280worth thinking about. Becauseyou authenticate, you know, and76800:47:26,430 --> 00:47:30,000then there's a payment and youcan, you know, totally set that,76900:47:30,030 --> 00:47:32,220you know, it's like, Okay, forthis or for this particular77000:47:32,220 --> 00:47:35,100transaction, this kind oftransaction, this length of77100:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,730whatever.77200:47:37,050 --> 00:47:37,290There's,77300:47:39,150 --> 00:47:42,180like, another thing, in Mike,77400:47:43,470 --> 00:47:47,550you're getting your trainingdata, or some some of your, in77500:47:47,550 --> 00:47:50,790the sort of seed data fromApple. And this is the thing77600:47:50,790 --> 00:47:55,410that's really been on my mind alot lately is, is we have to77700:47:55,410 --> 00:47:59,760have, a lot of a lot of peopleend up doing that, because it is77800:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,320a is a reliable source of data.But just like the directory,77900:48:04,350 --> 00:48:08,490it's, it's all centralized inthis one gigantic company. And,78000:48:08,940 --> 00:48:12,900you know, as big as Applepodcast is, it's also not78100:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,470necessarily representative, therepresentative of the whole78200:48:16,470 --> 00:48:17,040world,78300:48:18,210 --> 00:48:22,230either. I mean, like, the thingis, you look around and you see,78400:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,360within every app, you're gonnasee,78500:48:25,950 --> 00:48:29,100you're gonna see theirparticular flavor of trending78600:48:29,340 --> 00:48:34,800shows. So if you if you open upovercast, you're gonna see a lot78700:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,700of shows like accidental tech,irreconcilable differences of78800:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,250people in that sphere of therelay FM Mac world, that's78900:48:44,250 --> 00:48:47,490always going to be at the top,because they are heavy. And that79000:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,520group is heavy users of thatapp. Same with the podcasting79100:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,7702.0 apps, you're gonna see, ifyou open up pod verse a breeze,79200:48:55,770 --> 00:48:58,980you're gonna see podcastingpeople, no, no agenda, pod news79300:48:58,980 --> 00:49:03,900at the top of those lists. Yougo into Apple, you're gonna see79400:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,560a lot of NPR and a lot of thatcan. So it would be really79500:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,340helpful79600:49:09,630 --> 00:49:10,710if there was79700:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,190if there was a distributedsystem or some protocol to get79800:49:17,220 --> 00:49:21,390trending data from the hostingcompanies themselves. So like79900:49:22,830 --> 00:49:29,610rss.com, transistor, blueberry,Buzzsprout, Captivate, they80000:49:29,610 --> 00:49:30,480could all80100:49:32,010 --> 00:49:37,560they could all publish maybe tous, like completely anonymized80200:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,850just lists, and, you know,numbers. It's not like, you80300:49:41,850 --> 00:49:43,530know, they can just publishwhatever they want. They're80400:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,730like, Okay, here's, here's theshows. Here's some public80500:49:47,730 --> 00:49:49,230listing of shows that we80600:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,030think are important. Who thehell even knows what I mean?80700:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,760Like they don't even have to belike, some kind of rancor where80800:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,830it's like these are the mostpopular or these are trending.80900:49:59,130 --> 00:50:00,000They can be whatever they want.81000:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,600I mean people in their hostingcompany, people, their customers81100:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,450could pay them and to be onthese lists, I don't care. But81200:50:06,450 --> 00:50:09,420just some sort of way to have abroad81300:50:10,889 --> 00:50:14,129D decent draws not coming from asingle source not coming from a81400:50:14,129 --> 00:50:18,299single app, way of aggregating abunch of this, a bunch of this81500:50:18,299 --> 00:50:24,389data together so that apps likeIV can pull that in from from81600:50:24,389 --> 00:50:28,469the decentralized network, andnot be realized so reliant on81700:50:28,469 --> 00:50:29,729one source like Apple,81800:50:30,810 --> 00:50:35,100I think that's a good idea. Sofar are we get from Apple is81900:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,860just like their ratings andreviews. And that's how we can82000:50:37,860 --> 00:50:41,250kind of extrapolate that intowhat's what's popular and what's82100:50:41,250 --> 00:50:41,640not.82200:50:43,050 --> 00:50:45,570But I think the Opie three stuffbefore, that's where I kind of82300:50:45,570 --> 00:50:48,780asked in the in the Macedon, youknow, what if all the players82400:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,850just put that prefix oneverything?82500:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,910Because then I think that doesget get sort of what you're82600:50:53,910 --> 00:50:56,610talking about, where you'd havesort of an open list of what's82700:50:56,610 --> 00:50:59,550popular, and it wouldn't bebiased towards any one82800:50:59,550 --> 00:51:02,370particular source, especially iflots of players would do this.82900:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,520I think I think you'd really beable to see amazing stuff. And83000:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,950then you'd be able to see whatpeople that listen to this one,83100:51:07,950 --> 00:51:10,380listen to that one, you couldkind of make those connections,83200:51:10,470 --> 00:51:13,140you'd have to do some pruningthe the VPN example that you83300:51:13,140 --> 00:51:14,940gave us a really good one. Soyou have to be a little bit83400:51:14,940 --> 00:51:18,660careful not just kind of take itwithout looking at it. But I83500:51:18,660 --> 00:51:21,090think there's a lot of a lot ofpossibility there. Yeah, I think83600:51:21,090 --> 00:51:24,900I think that that's a reallygood use of this data. I'm83700:51:24,900 --> 00:51:28,980really liking that idea. All inall in on that. Oh, yeah. All83800:51:28,980 --> 00:51:33,240in, of course. I mean, just whenit comes, if we continue down83900:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,600the road of what is unique, whatis this? What is that? It's84000:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,320death.84100:51:39,750 --> 00:51:42,930I mentioned this, there was aquestion optimistic. The84200:51:42,930 --> 00:51:45,930podcaster might not want thisavailable. And so maybe there'll84300:51:45,930 --> 00:51:48,750be like an opt out or something.But I think if you if you did it84400:51:48,750 --> 00:51:52,260from the standpoint of an optout, instead of an opt in, in,84500:51:52,380 --> 00:51:56,010you would get the data that youneed pretty fast. Yeah. Which,84600:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,240which will require an eightslack threads for four months of84700:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,180everyone agreeing that that'sgood or bad. Well, so everybody,84800:52:06,180 --> 00:52:10,140including, including JohnSpurlock has been saying that,84900:52:10,530 --> 00:52:13,650you know, no, the podcastershould control this, the85000:52:13,650 --> 00:52:14,820podcaster should control this.85100:52:15,990 --> 00:52:20,310No, I'm not so sure. I'm justI'm not. I'm not saying that. I85200:52:20,310 --> 00:52:23,820disagree. Let me let me justpreface that strongly by saying85300:52:24,450 --> 00:52:28,140that when I say I'm not sure, Itruly mean, I don't know, I'm85400:52:28,140 --> 00:52:32,370still trying to figure out whereI fall on that. Because if if,85500:52:32,820 --> 00:52:37,650if a bunch of apps did what youwhat you mentioned, and you, you85600:52:37,650 --> 00:52:40,740know, Steven Bell mentioned thisas well. He was like, you know,85700:52:40,740 --> 00:52:43,500always put this prefix oneverything. Well just look at85800:52:43,500 --> 00:52:47,430it. Well, I mean, I can under adefinitely understand the85900:52:47,430 --> 00:52:51,060sentiment of podcasters may notwant their numbers to be public.86000:52:52,740 --> 00:52:56,820You know, but I haven't I'm notsure we've really fully thought86100:52:56,820 --> 00:53:01,350out sort of the ethicallandscape of what that means86200:53:01,350 --> 00:53:04,380that may not be as cut and driedas well, that we think the86300:53:04,380 --> 00:53:10,230question is, for what reason is,is public, and the only thing86400:53:10,230 --> 00:53:15,450the industry has ever focused onis Rancors. And CPMs.86500:53:16,650 --> 00:53:22,140I will say that, I think JohnSpurlock was correct, but he86600:53:22,140 --> 00:53:26,760wasn't entirely correct to undowhat was on pod land. He said,86700:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,030Well, you know, having statsused to be the unique selling86800:53:30,420 --> 00:53:34,440proposition for the hostingcompanies now it still is, we86900:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,410have the best stats, we have themost accurate stats, we have the87000:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,370it hasn't quite transitioned yetto. We have all the podcasts and87100:53:41,370 --> 00:53:45,2702.0 features and maybe maybestats is still what what you87200:53:45,270 --> 00:53:46,110sell people on.87300:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,060And I think there's a genuinefear by hosting companies to87400:53:51,060 --> 00:53:55,470give that up might be that mightbe their secret sauce. You know,87500:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,450the interface though.87600:54:01,110 --> 00:54:04,320Excuse me, they will still getto have like their interface so87700:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,870they can still sell like we havethe best stats interface and we87800:54:06,870 --> 00:54:10,290can do interesting things withthat data the best I you know87900:54:10,290 --> 00:54:12,810what, I can't speak on theirbehalf. I'll bet you they're all88000:54:12,810 --> 00:54:15,240laughing at us right now eventalking about it, because we88100:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,330don't know what we're talkingabout. But I hear the passion88200:54:18,330 --> 00:54:22,260that Todd puts into his hiswhole being when he's talking88300:54:22,260 --> 00:54:27,360about the stats, and there's alot of love and hurt behind that88400:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,080to get to where he's comfortablewith what they're doing. But88500:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,170they laugh at us every weekanyway. In the hell yeah. Like88600:54:34,590 --> 00:54:39,420the I think, I guess Okay,here's something to flesh this88700:54:39,420 --> 00:54:43,440out a little bit more. It's kindof coming to me. It's becoming88800:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,090more clear as I hear thisdiscussion.88900:54:46,110 --> 00:54:51,780I think it may be okay in thisinstance, because, like, the89000:54:51,780 --> 00:54:55,950hosting company is still thefirst party. Download and89100:54:56,010 --> 00:54:59,970measure. It always will be sothe hostess89200:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,360Let's just say this is we'retalking to Mrs. Todd is so vocal89300:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,250about stats let's let's takeblueberry,89400:55:06,270 --> 00:55:10,560blueberry is still going to get,they're going to get all the89500:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,910stats. They're gonna geteverything no matter where it's89600:55:14,910 --> 00:55:18,780played, regardless because italways because they're the89700:55:18,780 --> 00:55:20,700source of the audio.89800:55:21,780 --> 00:55:28,830If, if apps like IV, curio castor pod verse, if if apps like89900:55:28,830 --> 00:55:33,180that, let's just say we get 567podcasts into porno apps.90000:55:34,290 --> 00:55:39,900To implement this, it's going tobe obvious that this is not a90100:55:39,930 --> 00:55:43,680complete picture of the stats.So it's not going to be an issue90200:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,530where people are like, You'vemade my stats public?90300:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,110Well, no, no, because you're notif if 90% of your plays are on90400:55:52,110 --> 00:55:57,600Apple podcasts or Spotify, thesestats are irrelevant. They're90500:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,450not even close to beingaccurate. And everybody90600:56:00,450 --> 00:56:03,210understands that they're notgoing to be even close to being90700:56:03,210 --> 00:56:05,310accurate. Dave, good luck withthat.90800:56:06,390 --> 00:56:12,120It's, it's the programming istoo deep. I feel you. I think I90900:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,150agree with you. I'm like, I'mnot gonna die on that hill,91000:56:15,180 --> 00:56:21,390getting people to allow podcastapps to put a prefix now know91100:56:21,420 --> 00:56:23,760that they're gonna ruin theireveryone's gonna ruin their91200:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,710business. It's so it's so itstats have become such a91300:56:28,710 --> 00:56:30,150protected thing.91400:56:31,170 --> 00:56:34,380Now, it's like, this is yourgold. This is how you get money91500:56:35,550 --> 00:56:40,740to grow your show to have higherstats to get money. No, you're91600:56:40,740 --> 00:56:43,410so Scottish. Right now. You'refrom the highlands.91700:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,030It's not gonna have whiskeybefore the show. It's not gonna91800:56:48,030 --> 00:56:48,390happen.91900:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,920Well, if that is there to get anad, you're probably right. I92000:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,250give up easy. You're probablyright. That's, well, in that92100:56:56,250 --> 00:57:02,040case, hosting companies. Give usgive us opens give us some open92200:57:02,340 --> 00:57:06,210netstat. So give us open openrankings give us open list? No.92300:57:06,210 --> 00:57:10,500I mean, what I think I want itfor the index. Yes, no, I92400:57:10,500 --> 00:57:11,400understand how,92500:57:12,450 --> 00:57:17,310darling believe me, believe me,I know you want data data. title92600:57:17,310 --> 00:57:22,980of the show data hor. Dave, thedata whore DDS, D where it92700:57:22,980 --> 00:57:26,430proudly, son? Yeah, this shouldbe like,92800:57:27,450 --> 00:57:31,650Would you like to send anonymousstats to the OP three open92900:57:31,650 --> 00:57:37,560project. So we can so we can addto the data to make podcasting93000:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,940better. And by the way, I wouldlike to receive from somebody93100:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,490a definitive list of benefitsthat I can get for doing that.93200:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,280So while you and and JohnSpurlock are all Jeezy and JD93300:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,480about about the data, I'm like,Okay, well, I got five different93400:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,830numbers, I got a chart. It'scool to see people wake up on93500:58:01,830 --> 00:58:06,480Monday, and then they start todownload. But I mean, it's not93600:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,800going to affect my programming.It's not going to. I'm not, not93700:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,610once in my life, even thoughI've created I've funded93800:58:14,610 --> 00:58:17,490creation of stats within my owncompanies. I've never gone back93900:58:17,490 --> 00:58:20,100and said, Okay, what happened atthis moment? Oh, I'm going to do94000:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,770more of that. It's a lie. Okay,I'm just going to say it. I've94100:58:22,770 --> 00:58:24,420said it myself a million times.94200:58:25,650 --> 00:58:28,560You know, we have the boostergrams at timestamp.94300:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,540Now in Alby, I'm like, Oh, socool. Now you can find out94400:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,940exactly what you were sayingwhen the booster gram came in.94500:58:36,150 --> 00:58:37,470You know what it doesn't work?94600:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,600Because you have to go back.Well, the boosted Graham came94700:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,600in, it's usually unrelated tothe topic at that moment,94800:58:45,780 --> 00:58:49,710timeline. So you wind up notdoing it. You say, Well, was it94900:58:49,710 --> 00:58:56,160me? There's really, it's fun. Ilike to know the overall trend,95000:58:56,460 --> 00:58:59,520where people like a no agendawere the stats that we have, you95100:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,180could see the drop off firstdonation segment, and then a95200:59:03,180 --> 00:59:05,940number of people, you know, asignificant portion coming back.95300:59:05,940 --> 00:59:09,150That's fun to see. But I've seenthat before. From the apple95400:59:09,150 --> 00:59:12,450player stats. What else is therethat's really going to excite me95500:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,030other than it's enough to getads.95600:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,480Seriously, oh, look how manypeople are listening to me from95700:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,250Colorado? Yeah. Or look how manypeople are listening to me in95800:59:26,250 --> 00:59:29,880Japan? That's exciting. Yeah, in199395900:59:31,980 --> 00:59:37,920serious look seriously. At ofall the shows that publish, and96000:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,170there's so many of them now. Imean, 110,000 over the last96100:59:43,170 --> 00:59:46,980three days, 110,000 podcastshave published an episode over96200:59:46,980 --> 00:59:50,700the last 10 days 246,000 Out ofall those shows,96300:59:52,110 --> 00:59:56,250attacked us not tiny but a verysmall number of those shows96400:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,320truly care about making money.96501:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,460They do like they do likestatus. They just they do want96601:00:02,460 --> 01:00:04,350people to know that people arelistening.96701:00:05,609 --> 01:00:08,789That's all they really careabout. Right? Okay, everybody96801:00:08,789 --> 01:00:11,249want everybody wants to knowthat they that they're kind of96901:00:11,249 --> 01:00:13,739being heard and being listened.So is it gives you that97001:00:13,769 --> 01:00:17,279excitement. Okay, so let me letme tell you a story. Let me tell97101:00:17,279 --> 01:00:20,489you a story about a woman Iknow, gonna climb up on your97201:00:20,489 --> 01:00:20,849knee.97301:00:23,070 --> 01:00:26,490So I've been working with thisguy, this Belgian guy who I we97401:00:26,490 --> 01:00:28,260have a mutual friend who's a97501:00:29,550 --> 01:00:33,780entertainer in, in the Beneluxand he's you can you can see97601:00:33,780 --> 01:00:36,570what my buddy is doing. And hestarted this thing called 100%.97701:00:36,570 --> 01:00:40,950Retro and it's a live radiostation, it only available on97801:00:40,950 --> 01:00:46,650stream, then he's done quite alot of work in the global nature97901:00:46,650 --> 01:00:49,680of it by hiring people allacross the globe in different98001:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,460time zones. And he's done. Thiscomes from kind of trickery to98101:00:53,460 --> 01:00:57,300the playlists. So during drivetime in the US, you won't get98201:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,210some, you know, some weird songmaybe that's in a different98301:01:00,210 --> 01:01:05,310language. But he has Israel,South Africa, England, New York,98401:01:05,310 --> 01:01:09,240Los Angeles, and if anybody'sgot Kim Wilde doing shows for98501:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,110him and Ben libram mixes and soand he's shelling out a lot of98601:01:13,110 --> 01:01:17,160money. And so he's getting readyto start implement his98701:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,340advertising, which means he hasto you know, look at how many98801:01:20,340 --> 01:01:26,190streams darts do you get? And Iand I'm not I'm not compensated,98901:01:26,190 --> 01:01:29,460I have no stock or anything. Ijust like the guy. So once every99001:01:29,460 --> 01:01:32,430couple of weeks, you know, wetalk on a Friday for an hour, I99101:01:32,430 --> 01:01:35,760talked to him this morning. AndI said, Well, I think we're99201:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,170close enough I'm going to putyou into into podcasting 2.099301:01:40,170 --> 01:01:43,230Live. And so I whipped upliterally this morning whipped99401:01:43,230 --> 01:01:47,610up a little a little feed insovereign feeds, and I threw his99501:01:47,610 --> 01:01:51,480stream URL in there I opened upan Albea wallet connected that99601:01:51,480 --> 01:01:57,030in the value block, but a bingbada boom and, and so so we get99701:01:57,030 --> 01:02:00,690on the Zoom, call the video calland say okay, here, here's curio99801:02:00,690 --> 01:02:04,950Kassar. And I was showing himbecause I was doing you know,99901:02:04,980 --> 01:02:08,220screenshare and I but alsoshowed him on camera. The same100001:02:08,220 --> 01:02:10,590with POD verse. Thank you verymuch, Mitch and everybody for100101:02:10,590 --> 01:02:12,300rushing like mofos to get thatdone.100201:02:13,350 --> 01:02:16,080And I kind of follow is a greatlittle demo. And he's a friendly100301:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,640guy, but I'm just trying topromote this concept. And so you100401:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,930know, curio cast, you look for100% with a percent sign retro.100501:02:25,860 --> 01:02:30,270Yeah, and it pops up and hitlive. And the chat works and the100601:02:30,270 --> 01:02:32,700wallet works. And then and soI'm saying okay, now look at100701:02:32,700 --> 01:02:35,820Albie, and he's looking at Albieat the live and you know, this100801:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,840thing is just spurt and confettieverywhere. Show and 200 SATs a100901:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,020minute streaming and I'm showingthe booster grams. He's tripping101001:02:43,020 --> 01:02:46,200out he says some people aresending money right now just for101101:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,470listening. So yeah, man, that'sthe whole part, the whole beauty101201:02:49,470 --> 01:02:52,320of it. But you can also justlook at the trend of who's101301:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,080listening when they'relistening. And he thought that101401:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,680was spectacular. So that's somuch better than the stream101501:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,460starts because you know, in thestreaming radio model, they also101601:03:02,460 --> 01:03:05,160have all kinds of bullcrapnumbers, and they still can't101701:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,940get it all exactly right. Withstreams, so they do stream101801:03:08,940 --> 01:03:15,060starts, okay, partial downloads,range requests. No, but when you101901:03:15,060 --> 01:03:18,270have an actual payment goingfrom A to B, doesn't matter what102001:03:18,270 --> 01:03:20,970the number is. I mean, as Isaid, we had like,102101:03:22,170 --> 01:03:27,030what do we have on our get Alby?It was like 57 people streaming102201:03:27,030 --> 01:03:30,330SATs at that moment in time.That's, that's super exciting.102301:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,000And it happens from the momentyou launch.102401:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,440I just sent him 1000 says, gotto the 100% Retro live stream so102501:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,290I got really distracted as wewere getting everything set up102601:03:43,290 --> 01:03:48,330but I want I have it in as aclip and pod verse and I want to102701:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,020I'll just hit play and hopefullyit's very risky. But I don't102801:03:52,020 --> 01:03:54,750know exactly if it has all thepieces in there I want but I was102901:03:54,780 --> 01:03:58,530it was my hate. Listen. Theliberal intellectual elites Kara103001:03:58,530 --> 01:04:04,320Swisher and Professor Scott,Scott Galloway, who got their103101:04:04,470 --> 01:04:06,960got their feet hijacked by theway. They got their feet103201:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,250hijacked by the new the New Yorktime when they left. They she103301:04:11,250 --> 01:04:15,600went in to some other I guessshe took she went to some Wall103401:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,940Street Journal. Is that whereshe went? She went to some of103501:04:17,940 --> 01:04:22,110the places left in New YorkTimes verge sway large sway laws103601:04:22,110 --> 01:04:26,250in New York tie, and she lefther feet behind and they103701:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,100converted they just took herfeet and converted it into a103801:04:29,100 --> 01:04:31,980different show. They actuallyshe mentioned they were going to103901:04:31,980 --> 01:04:35,730do that. Yeah, evidently she wasnot happy about well, it wasn't104001:04:35,730 --> 01:04:40,200hers to take with her. It wasn'ther field. So no, all right,104101:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,620well, whatever. So they have on104201:04:46,470 --> 01:04:51,480Jessica Yellin Who I guess shewas a mainstream news reporter104301:04:51,690 --> 01:04:56,730very season she's been aroundand she started a the while104401:04:56,730 --> 01:04:59,970she's I started a media companybut she really is doing a lot104501:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,420Podcast. And it may be video aswell. But I think it's audio104601:05:03,420 --> 01:05:08,430called news not noise. And it'sbecome extremely popular. And104701:05:08,460 --> 01:05:11,880I'm not sure exactly if it's allon this clip, but she was104801:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,620talking about the weight, youknow, because of course, like104901:05:13,620 --> 01:05:17,700why do you make money on this onthis podcast? And, and she's?105001:05:18,090 --> 01:05:21,180Well, we'll see if her answersin here. Hold on CNN where he105101:05:21,180 --> 01:05:24,060used to work is pushing, youknow, and again Chris Cuomo is105201:05:24,060 --> 01:05:25,650at this news nation, which is aproject.105301:05:26,850 --> 01:05:30,780Is that the right direction? Doyou see more of this? audiences?105401:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,620You know, yeah.105501:05:33,300 --> 01:05:37,200Kara Swisher sounds almostexactly like Hillary Clinton.105601:05:39,240 --> 01:05:44,040Say millio Baby, say million?Tell me I'm wrong. Boy, that105701:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,590sounds really close. I thoughtthat was Hillary Clinton as a105801:05:46,590 --> 01:05:48,900guest. Sorry, what do you thinkmy startup does that Hillary105901:05:48,900 --> 01:05:50,880Clinton? It sounds like it tome.106001:05:52,170 --> 01:05:54,540I'm not sure if this bit is inhere. But she says she makes106101:05:54,540 --> 01:05:59,700money from she has partnerships,which means like brand106201:05:59,700 --> 01:06:01,680advertiser, she has.106301:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,790She gets payments from some ofthe platforms. So I presume this106401:06:05,790 --> 01:06:11,340like YouTube or whatever. Andshe also takes donations. And106501:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,470I'm not sure if she says it inthis clip, because it's more106601:06:13,470 --> 01:06:17,040about what Scott Galloway says.But she at one point said she106701:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,770really wished she had startedearlier with donations from the106801:06:19,770 --> 01:06:22,440audience. Now hopefully it's inthis clip Fox is only growing106901:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,550with their anger machine, theirpersistent rage machine? Well, I107001:06:26,550 --> 01:06:29,370think the answer is yes, I dothink it will work. And it will107101:06:29,370 --> 01:06:32,910keep audiences I think that youhave to shift your expectations107201:06:32,940 --> 01:06:36,390when I was growing up, and Iwatched CNN, you know, in the107301:06:36,390 --> 01:06:39,510Tiananmen Square moment, and itwas just the centerpiece of the107401:06:39,510 --> 01:06:40,230world to me,107501:06:41,310 --> 01:06:46,380CNN drew huge eyeballs at majorevents, and accepted that they107601:06:46,380 --> 01:06:48,030would get less audience inbetween.107701:06:49,140 --> 01:06:52,440It also became a place where youcould actually reach107801:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,670independence and swing voters,which is enormously valuable and107901:06:56,670 --> 01:07:00,360profitable, right, you cancharge more for that. So I do108001:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,780think there's a space for that.I think, listen, when I started108101:07:03,780 --> 01:07:06,960on Instagram, I was one of theonly people doing what I do. But108201:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,320now there's a bazillion peopletelling you what matters in the108301:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,130world all outraged and, youknow, dancing and screaming108401:07:14,130 --> 01:07:17,820about how awful this party is orthat so there's plenty of left108501:07:17,820 --> 01:07:22,110right content out there. And Ithink there is a whitespace sort108601:07:22,110 --> 01:07:24,780of that attracts the people whofeel a little homeless right108701:07:24,780 --> 01:07:25,230now.108801:07:26,670 --> 01:07:30,270And I don't know, you know,exactly how CNN is going to108901:07:30,270 --> 01:07:32,730execute on that. But I thinkthat Chris Licht in particular109001:07:32,730 --> 01:07:36,390has a track record of makingvery watchable TV, and people109101:07:36,390 --> 01:07:39,420should just give him a moment todo it. Yeah, Scott, last109201:07:39,420 --> 01:07:42,720question. What advice would youhave if you, you started this109301:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,350new media company, and you'vedone it yourself? What would109401:07:46,350 --> 01:07:48,810advice would you give tosomebody who's wants to start a109501:07:48,810 --> 01:07:52,200media company? That's newscentered here? What mediums109601:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,320would you use? Business model?It sounds like you've already109701:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,740said go right to I mean, is itfair to call it tipping? I don't109801:07:58,740 --> 01:08:01,020know what you call like the thetelegraph model of the Guardian109901:08:01,020 --> 01:08:03,870model. What advice you'restarting to sort of clean slate,110001:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,620how would you do it? I likethis. Tipping the telegraph110101:08:07,620 --> 01:08:11,520model, the Guardian model withGuardian has a model now. I110201:08:11,550 --> 01:08:15,450mean, Dane is just dripping offwith him. When he says tipping110301:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,570fig. Let's just roll that back.It was so nasty how he said110401:08:18,570 --> 01:08:21,750that, but she actually has agreat comeback, very watchable110501:08:21,750 --> 01:08:24,960TV, and people should just givehim a moment to do it. Yeah,110601:08:24,990 --> 01:08:27,630Scott, last question. Whatadvice would you have? If you110701:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,070you started this new mediacompany like yourself?110801:08:33,090 --> 01:08:35,880What would advice would you giveto somebody who's wants to start110901:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,570a media company? That's newscentered? When mediums would you111001:08:39,570 --> 01:08:42,900use business model? It soundslike you've already said go111101:08:42,900 --> 01:08:45,900right to I mean, is it fair tocall it tipping? I don't know111201:08:45,900 --> 01:08:48,120what you call like the thetelegraph model or the Guardian111301:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,640model? What advice you'restarting this with a clean111401:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,550slate? How would you do itdifferently? I guess I would111501:08:53,550 --> 01:08:59,670start with platform outside ofany of the current social media111601:08:59,670 --> 01:09:03,000platforms, and consistentlydrive to your own website, or111701:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,280your own newsletter, or whateverthe thing is, you're doing111801:09:05,310 --> 01:09:07,920outside the algorithms from dayone.111901:09:11,130 --> 01:09:14,100Have super high numbers.112001:09:15,510 --> 01:09:20,880And just really focus in on whatthe audience is responding to.112101:09:22,380 --> 01:09:26,040And continue to deliver that.It's this conversation. I think,112201:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,290you know, everybody poopoo isweb three, or where's it going?112301:09:28,290 --> 01:09:30,120But the thing that I findinteresting about web three is112401:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,630it's this ongoing, circularconversation. And I do think112501:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,110conceptually, that's where themedia needs to go. And those are112601:09:37,110 --> 01:09:41,460the businesses that will reallyexcel because we are sorting112701:09:41,460 --> 01:09:44,460into sort of I call it not likeminded but like valued112801:09:44,460 --> 01:09:47,910communities, and so lean intothat. Yeah, that's absolutely,112901:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,510that's too bad. Because beforethat she she actually, you know,113001:09:51,510 --> 01:09:54,150she went through this whole raplike if I had known what now113101:09:54,150 --> 01:09:56,280what I knew then I would havestarted right away with the113201:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,920audience, but she's saying thesame thing we're talking about.113301:09:59,190 --> 01:10:00,000It's like it's a circle.113401:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,450You know, it's a loop, you know,the donation the booster grams,113501:10:03,450 --> 01:10:04,290that's the loop.113601:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,600Which so you You're, you'resaying that we are a like valued113701:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,630community? I would rather ripoff my nuts than ever describe113801:10:15,630 --> 01:10:16,560us is that113901:10:19,109 --> 01:10:22,259mission accomplished but intheir world in their worlds?114001:10:22,259 --> 01:10:25,259Yeah. Yeah, like valuedcommunity. Yeah, I think that114101:10:25,259 --> 01:10:26,039makes sense.114201:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,440Okay as an app114301:10:29,580 --> 01:10:31,170as an app, Mike, what,114401:10:32,190 --> 01:10:36,630you know, you've you'veconstructed this, this system114501:10:36,630 --> 01:10:40,710that pulls out all theserelevant bits, and it does a114601:10:40,710 --> 01:10:42,330really good job of it.114701:10:44,130 --> 01:10:49,470The thing that's sort ofmissing, I guess, per step two114801:10:49,500 --> 01:10:50,220would be114901:10:51,330 --> 01:10:55,110pulling in, like taking signalsfrom the from the listener115001:10:56,490 --> 01:11:00,840as to what you know, to that. Soyou have the circular thing115101:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,680there is that what may bealready doing that? What and how115201:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,160does that how would that fit in?Yeah, I think that would make115301:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,460everything a lot better. Wait,now, because of the data that we115401:11:11,460 --> 01:11:14,400have available? All we canreally use is sort of the supply115501:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,400of podcasts. And so we can see,like, how many have this? How115601:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,790many podcasts have this or howmany episodes have this. But115701:11:20,790 --> 01:11:24,570yeah, having that sort oflistening data, or even just the115801:11:24,570 --> 01:11:27,090download data is as messy asthat is, would help us a lot.115901:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,190Yeah, that'd be what do you doyou trigger off that at all116001:11:32,220 --> 01:11:33,900right now? Or he's purely justlike,116101:11:35,310 --> 01:11:37,920the the content side, you'retaking all your signals from116201:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,620that from the content itself?Right now? It's all from the116301:11:40,620 --> 01:11:41,400content itself.116401:11:42,480 --> 01:11:46,290Okay. Oh, does that mean that? Iguess the the, you know, this,116501:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,620there's a big if there's a themeof what we're talking about in116601:11:49,620 --> 01:11:54,930general today. I mean, really,it really is like how to get how116701:11:54,930 --> 01:12:00,270to get a better signal from,from the, from the audience,116801:12:00,270 --> 01:12:01,530from from listeners.116901:12:02,580 --> 01:12:07,530And from the in from thehosting, like, how to how to get117001:12:07,530 --> 01:12:11,460better quality signal in here sothat everybody is, you know,117101:12:11,460 --> 01:12:15,060there's this, this stupid ideaof, of discoverability. Where,117201:12:15,090 --> 01:12:18,210where's that it's just somethingI'm not that concerned about.117301:12:18,630 --> 01:12:23,040But it does, like, if there'sthe word of mouth idea, which is117401:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,110still king within podcasting,like that word of, I feel like117501:12:28,140 --> 01:12:36,300that word of mouth idea can beconverted into an actual signal117601:12:37,020 --> 01:12:40,980that, that apps and an index andeverything that we can all pick117701:12:40,980 --> 01:12:47,100up on, except it can't be donewith clips and clips. I like I117801:12:47,100 --> 01:12:51,780like where you're going, howabout I connect my podcast or my117901:12:51,780 --> 01:12:58,380listening wallet, to a data,dump wherever. So that you can118001:12:58,380 --> 01:13:02,220at least I'm perfect, I'd beperfectly happy to show you my118101:13:03,540 --> 01:13:07,200category one of payments, whichis the streaming data, I'd be118201:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,620more than happy to send that to,which you know, I know how that118301:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,550comes in is a lot of nice datain that I'll send that to to118401:13:14,670 --> 01:13:18,450Opie three or to IV or you know,someone who's, who's going to be118501:13:18,450 --> 01:13:21,840open with it. Now, I think nowyou're talking about it. Now118601:13:21,840 --> 01:13:22,350you're talking.118701:13:23,790 --> 01:13:26,760Listening to I will send mylistening date. I'm happy to do118801:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,760it. I'm going to make that makethat a box in the app. And you118901:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,490know, I don't want booster gramsgoing all over the place even119001:13:35,490 --> 01:13:39,000though they do kind of but notthe message is just just the119101:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,240amounts just show Yeah, well,not not even the messages. No,119201:13:42,420 --> 01:13:44,850I'm talking about. Look, it canbe119301:13:46,860 --> 01:13:49,230Yeah, I don't want my messagesgoing all over the place. I just119401:13:49,230 --> 01:13:51,810think that's Miss No, I don't Iwould want119501:13:53,010 --> 01:13:55,560to look it's all open. Itdoesn't matter. Make it119601:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,550selectable, you can do onlystreams boosts whatever however119701:13:59,550 --> 01:14:02,430you want to do it. I'd be thatwas kind of where I was going119801:14:02,430 --> 01:14:05,370early. I'd be happy to put in a1%119901:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,820You know, if if, by doing that Iget recommendations back. Well,120001:14:11,820 --> 01:14:14,850you know, this guy over herelistens to the same podcast you120101:14:14,850 --> 01:14:19,740listen but he also listens toher. So why don't you check this120201:14:19,740 --> 01:14:24,060out? I mean, that's something Ithink is fantastic data and120301:14:24,060 --> 01:14:28,770bypass and the users can canbond together and make it happen120401:14:28,770 --> 01:14:31,860we don't necessarily needanybody else. That's what I'm120501:14:31,860 --> 01:14:34,230thinking. Yeah, that's what I'mthinking it's not like and120601:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,900there's no algorithm in betweenit's just it's you know what120701:14:36,900 --> 01:14:41,670this is this is it's just likeshare your OPML it is exactly120801:14:41,670 --> 01:14:44,250share your OPML only done withmoney120901:14:49,200 --> 01:14:54,330plays Oh on am Paula. Yeah, it'sshare your lightning is what121001:14:54,330 --> 01:14:58,020that is Chain Lightning. That'sit. Chain Lightning. Lightning.121101:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,970So you know121201:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,720And, and I would do that. Okay,so IV, you you said you're121301:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,610working, Mike you're working on,121401:15:07,589 --> 01:15:11,249on putting in value for value,right? That's right. Yeah. Mitch121501:15:11,249 --> 01:15:14,939has an open source to JavaScriptfile where you kind of take this121601:15:14,939 --> 01:15:17,129blob and drop it on the page,and then the JavaScript just121701:15:17,129 --> 01:15:21,149turns it into the form. So wedemonstrated some experiments121801:15:21,149 --> 01:15:24,449with that. And that was superhelpful in bootstrapping that.121901:15:25,199 --> 01:15:29,819Because if you had, if, if youadmit, I made a modification to122001:15:29,819 --> 01:15:34,529that library, where I couldchoose to make my to, like,122101:15:34,529 --> 01:15:39,479share my boost data out, hitthat check box in a heartbeat.122201:15:40,049 --> 01:15:41,999Yeah, I would share it back out,share, share it, you know, I122301:15:41,999 --> 01:15:44,669mean, you you obviously alreadyhave it, so you'll start getting122401:15:44,669 --> 01:15:48,359those signals immediately. Butlike, I mean, I'd share that122501:15:48,359 --> 01:15:50,909with the world. I've been a lotof people would, where should122601:15:52,170 --> 01:15:56,040Where should it live? I mean,the interesting thing, Dave,122701:15:57,180 --> 01:15:58,470we have that data.122801:15:59,790 --> 01:16:01,980Do we? Yeah, we get 1%.122901:16:03,030 --> 01:16:07,230On the Endo. Yeah. Yeah. Theindex literally has this data.123001:16:09,330 --> 01:16:11,250It's funny that I didn't realizethis.123101:16:12,870 --> 01:16:17,400I mean, why am I this? Guest? Wedon't have to develop anything123201:16:17,430 --> 01:16:20,910in a meeting adjourned everybodybeautiful work.123301:16:22,380 --> 01:16:26,400We have data not shady, this ishow not shady we are that we123401:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,180didn't even know.123501:16:29,130 --> 01:16:32,760So son get to importing intointo MySQL.123601:16:34,380 --> 01:16:37,920I'm on the dip. I got it. Getthat thing? And what's that?123701:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,700What's that? That platform that?Gosh, a lot of my ex employees123801:16:41,700 --> 01:16:45,270went there. Or my old employeeswent there. The it's like this123901:16:45,270 --> 01:16:49,830huge flat, flat databaseconcept. You can then they sell124001:16:49,830 --> 01:16:53,040it to companies throw all yourdata in there and they can dig124101:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,440out whatever you want. lunkSplunk? Yes, this Blanc, it will124201:16:58,440 --> 01:17:02,940throw it all this will put it ona big Splunk. Yeah. No, not do124301:17:02,940 --> 01:17:09,060that. But think but think aboutwhat we could extract anonymize.124401:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,350But you can because you can hashthe user names or whatever.124501:17:15,450 --> 01:17:18,270Like that can be up for debatehow we do that, but it doesn't124601:17:18,270 --> 01:17:19,410really matter. You know,124701:17:20,580 --> 01:17:24,900make that available. And youknow, do the query or whatever124801:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,840it is, whatever it is, make itavailable so that people can124901:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,110then connect. Okay, thisperson's listening, you know,125001:17:31,140 --> 01:17:34,950like IV connect, this person'slistening to this podcast and125101:17:34,950 --> 01:17:37,620this podcast, other peoplelisten to that one. So check125201:17:37,620 --> 01:17:40,410this out. This may interest you.I mean, that's that's the basic125301:17:40,410 --> 01:17:44,010idea of recommendation, isn'tit? Interesting. Net, you've125401:17:44,010 --> 01:17:47,010distracted me from op three,this is a success. You've you've125501:17:47,010 --> 01:17:51,450successfully distracted me awayfrom my work is done here. Yes,125601:17:51,450 --> 01:17:54,480yes, it would also tell you, onething we see a lot of is people125701:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,700click on a button to kind ofgoing back to the how you opened125801:17:56,700 --> 01:17:59,340it, people click on a podcast,listen to it, maybe they're125901:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,250like, Oh, this isn't for me andclose it quickly. And so you126001:18:02,250 --> 01:18:04,650would sort of this would get itthat that you made them a bad126101:18:04,650 --> 01:18:07,650recommendation, maybe evenreally bad because they they126201:18:07,650 --> 01:18:10,890wasted some of their time on it,versus having them listen to the126301:18:10,890 --> 01:18:14,490whole thing. So that as as interms of like, what, what's126401:18:14,490 --> 01:18:16,350your, you know, when you're, ifyou're training a model on that,126501:18:16,350 --> 01:18:19,350what's your objective function,that will be like a bad output,126601:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,650or outcome? If they if they onlylist a little bit of it? I mean,126701:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,390make it in this data set in someavailable in some way, Dave? I126801:18:27,390 --> 01:18:32,400mean, the ML AI guys would beJide. I mean, think about what126901:18:32,730 --> 01:18:37,860you can then go to amounts.Okay. So, which typically I127001:18:37,860 --> 01:18:41,310don't care about, but in thiscase, you can see, well, this127101:18:41,310 --> 01:18:47,340person who provides a lot ofvalue back, you know, in doesn't127201:18:47,340 --> 01:18:51,810provide any value to this, youknow, so is that a weighting127301:18:51,810 --> 01:18:54,000system? You know, can you thenweigh127401:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,720populaire popularity whenthere's a lot of things you can127501:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,400do to just try and get some somegeneral behavioral information,127601:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,340but something that we canimmediately turn around and hand127701:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,240back to the people, to thepeople, not to the government127801:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,800and not to creepy corporations,which 100% of them are to people127901:19:14,100 --> 01:19:18,660to you know, do something thatwill benefit them, make their128001:19:18,660 --> 01:19:22,620lives better recommend apodcast, find people who listen128101:19:22,620 --> 01:19:25,500to the saying, Can you imaginethat? Would you like to connect128201:19:25,500 --> 01:19:29,340with people who also listen tothis podcast? Well, you can send128301:19:29,340 --> 01:19:31,020them you can send them amessage.128401:19:32,610 --> 01:19:35,580Oh, yeah. And it's completelyanonymous because I don't know128501:19:35,580 --> 01:19:38,070who I'm sending it to, butthey'll receive and send it to128601:19:38,070 --> 01:19:42,180their Alby wallet. I mean, I cando this is what I can do all day128701:19:42,180 --> 01:19:42,750long.128801:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,650Well, this is this obviouslyneeds to be a week a new weekly,128901:19:49,680 --> 01:19:50,160massive,129001:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,370massive dorms.129101:19:54,390 --> 01:19:57,210Yeah, with this, this could beanother this could be a week,129201:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,000another weekly massive dumpwhere we just a non129301:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,450memorize everything and you knowit may be that we take this is129401:20:03,450 --> 01:20:08,580probably the best idea. TakeTake the messages out, take the129501:20:09,060 --> 01:20:14,430take the username, hash the usernames and then take the don't129601:20:14,430 --> 01:20:19,200use the original numerologyamounts use the post the post129701:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,580deduction access fee deductionthat way you can't reverse like129801:20:23,610 --> 01:20:27,000reverse people here see like1,000,021 12 coming from me that129901:20:27,330 --> 01:20:32,520day right right right. They diddumps they call them dumps big130001:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,720massive dumps130101:20:34,770 --> 01:20:38,850this this is this is this showis full of massive dump so we130201:20:38,850 --> 01:20:39,540got some really130301:20:42,270 --> 01:20:45,750it was like a few people sincewe're a buck 21 Right now I'd130401:20:45,750 --> 01:20:47,250like to start with some of the130501:20:48,660 --> 01:20:50,400booster grams that have come in.130601:20:51,450 --> 01:20:55,740Oh my goodness pre show. Let'ssee. So we got here130701:20:57,420 --> 01:21:00,87017,776 From blueberry lavish andI went to I130801:21:02,220 --> 01:21:05,700went to a convention recentlyand ran into a gentleman who130901:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,970runs both a heavy metal podcastand a radio stream. I got his131001:21:08,970 --> 01:21:11,400contact reach out to him aboutPC two. Oh, is there any131101:21:11,610 --> 01:21:14,670resources guides written forintroducing streaming sites to131201:21:14,670 --> 01:21:18,990radio streams? Or is it the samesetup as icecast? Well, to go131301:21:18,990 --> 01:21:25,170take a look at the at the feedfor 100% retro and you can get131401:21:25,170 --> 01:21:29,010it in today. Perfect. It firedright up for me and I was able131501:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,550to boost it and I saw yourbooths coming. Loving the stream131601:21:32,550 --> 01:21:33,030you said?131701:21:34,980 --> 01:21:39,840Macintosh short roadex 2222Shout outs to the best podcast131801:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,4702.0 in the universe go podcastday go podcast.131901:21:45,300 --> 01:21:51,540Martin Linda's code rush boost2112 Satoshis very much. Chimp132001:21:51,540 --> 01:21:56,61013,579 What did you eff up? WhatI effed up as I forgot to email132101:21:56,610 --> 01:21:59,340Mike. That's what I effed up.Because everything was listening132201:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,810before we started the stream.Another 13 579 from chimp I wish132301:22:03,810 --> 01:22:06,480they could all be Indiana girls,you know it.132401:22:07,650 --> 01:22:11,040There's another 930 from MartinLindis Koch, David Lee and132501:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,550Daniel J. Dave Lee and Daniel J.Lewis started the international132601:22:14,550 --> 01:22:18,360podcast a great initiative.Okay, I didn't know that. Okay,132701:22:18,420 --> 01:22:23,100so just made it up. Cool. JingleBells Oh, this is blueberry132801:22:23,490 --> 01:22:28,98011,111 Jingle Bells Apple smellsI heart laid an egg Okay.132901:22:31,380 --> 01:22:35,580Sir Spencer 42,069 HappyInternational podcast day to the133001:22:35,580 --> 01:22:38,970whole board. Lauren and I wantto invite everyone to get lit133101:22:38,970 --> 01:22:42,300with us. For bowls with budsthis Sunday directly following133201:22:42,300 --> 01:22:45,570no agenda we're talking toBitcoin air. Author Eric yanks133301:22:45,570 --> 01:22:47,820about his book The seventhproperty Bitcoin and the133401:22:47,820 --> 01:22:52,140monetary revolution. Nice partof hat one a one on one. Thank133501:22:52,140 --> 01:22:56,220you. Hi, I've had Bhoomi Heythere Bhumi 2100 coming in from133601:22:56,220 --> 01:22:56,940pod verse.133701:22:58,920 --> 01:23:04,800See we have primitive one with104,000 SATs.133801:23:06,600 --> 01:23:07,650Add that in there133901:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,330and says deduce me or I meankeep up the great work134001:23:12,450 --> 01:23:16,170podcasting to porno andimpending pimps will change free134101:23:16,170 --> 01:23:19,560entertainment forever free as infreedom. I welcome all the check134201:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,560out the live podcast I do withmy buddy chimp called Saturday134301:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,160night lit with Bitcoin only and2.0 compliant but not yet134401:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,120certified cough cough showstarts at 8:30pm Eastern time on134501:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,140your favorite live compatiblepodcast player or stream dot134601:23:34,170 --> 01:23:38,940audio ghost dot Miami. Yes,we're from Miami. If you are to134701:23:38,940 --> 01:23:48,150get in touch fellow Swamp Thing.Okay. Jad F 3333. No note 6969134801:23:48,150 --> 01:23:50,820from Spencer any node runnerswho are still experiencing all134901:23:50,820 --> 01:23:54,840these ongoing woes. I presumelightning nodes I want to135001:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,650suggest running your node inhybrid mode with Tor and clear135101:23:58,650 --> 01:24:05,640net using a VPS via tunnelsats.com Boy Oh, do they have a135201:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,670great guide and I got mine up onRaspbian raspy blitz in about135301:24:08,670 --> 01:24:11,550six minutes if anyone has anyquestions hit me up on podcast135401:24:11,550 --> 01:24:14,310index dot social happy totroubleshoot with you. Very135501:24:14,310 --> 01:24:22,350nice. Eric p p 25,000. Sats thebest stats are SATs he says. So135601:24:22,350 --> 01:24:23,100right you are135701:24:24,360 --> 01:24:31,560then we have. Let's see. That'sit. That's that's the last one135801:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,590we've had come in. From the fromthe live show. Thank you all135901:24:34,590 --> 01:24:38,310very much for providing usvalue. And we've been following136001:24:38,310 --> 01:24:40,500along in the chat room. Nice.See everybody there.136101:24:42,360 --> 01:24:47,760Are you I couldn't tell. Are youon Android? Mike? Yes, we had a136201:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,760little administrative issue withthem. But we're back up on136301:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,330Android, Android and iOS. Whatwas the administrative issue?136401:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,530There was something we had tolike log in and do something and136501:24:58,530 --> 01:24:59,970every so often and136601:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,240We get our stats through analternate means. And so they136701:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,170thought we were inactive. Sothey ended the developer136801:25:07,170 --> 01:25:10,890accounts with the RE redo. Itwas kind of a pain. How much136901:25:10,890 --> 01:25:11,220does it?137001:25:13,710 --> 01:25:17,430Yeah, that so you lost all yourI guess you lost all your137101:25:17,430 --> 01:25:24,930reviews all your downloads? Ah.Oh my goodness. So you want to F137201:25:24,930 --> 01:25:28,200Droid or is it just on theGoogle Play Store? It's on the137301:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,280Google Play Store? Yeah. Okay.Is F droid, does it have to be137401:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,640open source to be on F droid? Oris that just alternative store?137501:25:36,300 --> 01:25:39,840Straight up? No, I don't thinkit has to be open source, does137601:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,890it? I don't think so.137701:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,260Okay, I'm not sure.137801:25:44,340 --> 01:25:46,290Are you? Mike? Are you137901:25:47,370 --> 01:25:50,640what technology you're using? Doyou like React Native? Or is it138001:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,180a native app? How's that? How'sthat work? It is flutter. It's138101:25:54,180 --> 01:25:56,670that was were kind of a nice,right at once and deploy it138201:25:56,670 --> 01:25:57,270both? Yeah.138301:25:58,620 --> 01:26:00,180Flutter is really like,138401:26:01,860 --> 01:26:06,360I keep my My instinct is todiscount it as a, you know,138501:26:07,110 --> 01:26:10,680because here's, it's not becauseof anything they did is, it's138601:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,010just that we've seen so many ofthese things that have come and138701:26:14,010 --> 01:26:17,910been cross platform, you know,mobile, right once run anywhere138801:26:17,910 --> 01:26:21,810things and they always are likea flash in the pan. But flutter138901:26:21,810 --> 01:26:24,690seems to really be stickingaround. I mean, like it seems to139001:26:24,690 --> 01:26:28,350have staying power, this may bethe first one that really has139101:26:28,350 --> 01:26:29,880kind of stuck the landing.139201:26:31,350 --> 01:26:33,900It was it's a little bit takes alittle bit to get used to. But139301:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,020it wasn't it wasn't so bad. Onceyou kind of get in there. There139401:26:37,020 --> 01:26:39,720are some things that I wish Iwould have known. I think this139501:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,900is the first flutter app Ibuilt. And so I think there were139601:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,090like fundamental ways ofconstructing the app that we139701:26:45,090 --> 01:26:47,790need to fix in terms of, youknow, to get the lock screen139801:26:47,790 --> 01:26:52,140controls and integrate with CarPlay and that sort of thing. But139901:26:52,380 --> 01:26:55,920that's why I'm thinking at somepoint, probably in the next, I140001:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,660don't know, I don't want to puta date on it. But next few140101:26:57,660 --> 01:27:00,870months, I'd love to just kind ofredo the the native component of140201:27:00,870 --> 01:27:04,230this, we really focus almostexclusively on the data itself.140301:27:04,230 --> 01:27:07,290And, you know, merging thesethings together, when they're140401:27:07,290 --> 01:27:11,670synonyms and just just doing alot of that kind of work. I140501:27:11,670 --> 01:27:14,310think it's time to come back andwork on the UI.140601:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,230So do you have?140701:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,780So how often do you have to dropout of flutter and go down to140801:27:22,620 --> 01:27:28,440like a swift thing? Or theunderlying OS level API's to get140901:27:28,440 --> 01:27:31,230something done? Is it is itrare? Or is it common? How's141001:27:31,230 --> 01:27:35,130that work? So far? It's beenpretty rare. Pretty, pretty141101:27:35,130 --> 01:27:38,370well, I think it was Android, ithad to do something weird. But141201:27:38,370 --> 01:27:40,920yeah, it's actually been prettynice. The the libraries that are141301:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,960available for audio are not bad.141401:27:44,460 --> 01:27:48,210So I've been pretty happy withit actually. Did they just call141501:27:48,210 --> 01:27:51,210the underlying OS providedlibraries? Or do they have141601:27:51,210 --> 01:27:54,390actual audio engines that arethemselves? It's my141701:27:54,390 --> 01:27:56,850understanding that they allinteract with the existing141801:27:56,850 --> 01:27:57,420native141901:27:59,010 --> 01:28:02,880components. Okay. And that seemsto be like that. There's no142001:28:02,910 --> 01:28:06,360that's not real buggy. It seemsto work. Okay. Yeah, definitely.142101:28:06,450 --> 01:28:08,760Yeah. Okay. But I mean,everybody know, a lot of people142201:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,940using it, they need that anytimeplayer uses it breeze, uses142301:28:11,940 --> 01:28:16,380flutter, I think fountain usesflutter if I'm not mistaken. I142401:28:16,380 --> 01:28:19,980mean, like, it seems to be, itseems to be the way to go.142501:28:20,010 --> 01:28:24,240Because the reality is writing anative app, like, you know,142601:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,360keeping track of two native codebases at the same time, and plus142701:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,290a web code base. That's a mess,man. I mean, you need a whole142801:28:31,290 --> 01:28:35,010team of people to do that. SoI'm glad that I'm glad that142901:28:35,010 --> 01:28:39,780flutter exists. Because, I mean,the promises of that in the past143001:28:39,780 --> 01:28:42,240have been very, pretty hollow.But it seems like this is143101:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,260actually legit.143201:28:45,210 --> 01:28:49,230Long ago, I worked for aninsurance company, and we saw a143301:28:49,230 --> 01:28:51,210competitor do something I waslike, Oh, we could do that in143401:28:51,210 --> 01:28:55,200PhoneGap. And no problem. Icould do that in a month. And it143501:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,320turned out that one criticalcomponent was missing. And I143601:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,810worked like 20 hours a day forthat month and make sure I hit143701:29:00,810 --> 01:29:01,290the deadline.143801:29:03,630 --> 01:29:07,620Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's been somany promises that have gone143901:29:07,620 --> 01:29:10,680home, you know, going empty overthe years of cross platform, but144001:29:10,890 --> 01:29:15,510I mean, that honesty is was thelanguage. Is it this Dart? I144101:29:15,510 --> 01:29:19,770guess, right. It is Dart? Yeah.Okay. And is that is that it144201:29:19,770 --> 01:29:21,840looks? I don't want to say144301:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,150it looks sort of JavaScript D.But yeah, but not if you know,144401:29:27,150 --> 01:29:31,020JavaScript, you'll you'll pickit up in no time. Okay.144501:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,530Because I mean, is it is ittyped is it I don't I know144601:29:34,530 --> 01:29:37,800nothing about Dart is it's likeeverything is a widget so144701:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,830everything is sort of nestedinside itself.144801:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,530But you know, I think I thinkonce you know, one language and144901:29:46,530 --> 01:29:51,720the, you pretty much can can canpunch through and do you know145001:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,110any other language pretty muchokay, so that's what you're145101:29:55,110 --> 01:29:57,240talking about earlier, when yousaid you were gonna like do a145201:29:57,300 --> 01:30:00,000ground up rewrite of, of themobile apps is because145301:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,240You've learned some stuff nowthat you did you, you've got145401:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,610technical debt, and you're gonnatry to go and erase that.145501:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,220Exactly, yeah, there's this,there's this technical debt that145601:30:08,220 --> 01:30:10,800I think to fit, it'd be easierto kind of burn it down and145701:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,430start over than to then to tryand fix it. And I think that145801:30:14,430 --> 01:30:17,040would give us a lot of, youknow, a lot of other things.145901:30:17,220 --> 01:30:20,370Like just even basic things.Like my, my sister in law was146001:30:20,370 --> 01:30:24,210like, Oh, we're not using yourapp because it isn't a 15 second146101:30:24,210 --> 01:30:26,910skip and it's like well, likethat's obvious easy thing that146201:30:26,910 --> 01:30:31,080we could add you know, even nowwithout rewriting anything. But146301:30:31,110 --> 01:30:33,570but it's like we need thosekinds of table stakes features a146401:30:33,570 --> 01:30:36,600new UI component because I thinkthe dad is in a really good spot146501:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,080right now. And just like I said,getting those getting those UI146601:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,660things right, and then all the2.0 stuff will go on there too.146701:30:43,710 --> 01:30:49,170Oh, cool. Okay, shall we thankssome people DAVE Yes your146801:30:50,430 --> 01:30:53,850time to hang out Michael we dothis. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I146901:30:53,850 --> 01:30:55,320guess fate fails here we get147001:30:56,460 --> 01:31:01,440we get Fiat and Fiat fun couponsfee us on coupons fountain slung147101:31:01,440 --> 01:31:02,820some Thea fun coupons at147201:31:03,870 --> 01:31:08,580$200 from Oscar in the gang overthere fountain and we appreciate147301:31:11,130 --> 01:31:15,06020 This blades only him Paola.Paula. That's really how you do147401:31:15,060 --> 01:31:17,490it. Don't go to the gas company.Send it to us.147501:31:19,200 --> 01:31:23,310Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,Oscar. appreciate a lot of a lot147601:31:23,310 --> 01:31:24,090of apps.147701:31:25,200 --> 01:31:25,230A147801:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,620lot of people use us even even acouple of bigger company non app147901:31:31,650 --> 01:31:35,130related companies like mediacompanies. I see them hidden API148001:31:35,130 --> 01:31:38,460constantly, you know, prettyhard and they've never seen148101:31:38,910 --> 01:31:42,570anything. They don't give a damnso no, it's always very148201:31:42,570 --> 01:31:46,050appreciated when when somebodydoes that. Thank you Oscar.148301:31:46,140 --> 01:31:48,510Interesting. The bigger thecompany gets the less they give148401:31:48,510 --> 01:31:51,960a shit about you. Man. It's sotrue.148501:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,100John's Birla John's burlock148601:31:57,510 --> 01:32:06,030$200 Oh, crap 20 his blades onam Paula thank you man. Yeah,148701:32:06,060 --> 01:32:09,120John says thanks for aggregatingand aggravating and hunting down148801:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,860those podcasts dupes in theindex148901:32:12,450 --> 01:32:15,510You're welcome John. Love yourproject man love messing around149001:32:15,510 --> 01:32:19,260with it. Yeah, always. Alwaysfun. I always love it that you149101:32:19,260 --> 01:32:21,000you led me down the rabbit holeI'm149201:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,940Adam is trying to de149301:32:24,990 --> 01:32:26,220hypnotize me today149401:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,210your fix def clear the head149501:32:35,100 --> 01:32:38,610$10 from Jesse Hunter. No notefrom Jessie but we appreciate149601:32:38,610 --> 01:32:40,080that $10 Thank you Jesse.149701:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,490That is that is it for somepapers and we get some booster149801:32:44,490 --> 01:32:48,960grams. Gene been 5000 saysthrough cast thematic he says149901:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,660I'm starting up a new podcastcalled volunteer technologist150001:32:51,990 --> 01:32:54,960and trying to do so utilizingthe things y'all talk about. Pod150101:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,770ping via Buzzsprout op three dotDev and LB Saturn. I'm really150201:32:58,770 --> 01:33:01,260curious to see how these toolsand others evolve. I love the150301:33:01,260 --> 01:33:07,320refocusing on openness. Thankyou gene boost Thank you Karen150401:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,140for the memory this podcast gaveus a big lower row of ducks 22150501:33:10,140 --> 01:33:13,830to 22 through fountain he saidwould make my year to come on150601:33:13,830 --> 01:33:15,630the show Dave hit me up anytime150701:33:19,500 --> 01:33:23,850you know the going rate is50,000 SATs to be just missed it150801:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,880you just missed oh hey Mike.Mike, do you have an lb wallet150901:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,390or something so we can put youin the split for today's show? I151001:33:30,420 --> 01:33:33,120do I can get that over to you.Yeah, if you email it to me then151101:33:33,150 --> 01:33:36,660if you can, you can do that asquick as you can. So I can pump151201:33:36,660 --> 01:33:39,600it out right away and get you inthe split. But appreciate that151301:33:39,630 --> 01:33:41,430show you what real men do.151401:33:45,630 --> 01:33:47,280Show your real man split.151501:33:48,960 --> 01:33:49,410Oh151601:33:50,850 --> 01:33:52,470no, that was wrong. I'm sorry.151701:33:53,550 --> 01:33:56,220I didn't mean it that way.That's it just came out. That151801:33:56,220 --> 01:33:59,610didn't mean it. Not things thatare not a show title. Sorry.151901:34:00,810 --> 01:34:03,660A real man. Yeah, Karen we'lldefinitely have you on the show152001:34:03,660 --> 01:34:09,870card. Don't be so easy to playhard to get. Don't be a pushover152101:34:10,590 --> 01:34:17,250forged forged foe. Give us a rowa row sticks. 11 111. He says go152201:34:17,250 --> 01:34:18,990podcasting. Oh, thank you.152301:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,200Sir lurks a lot. Give us 5000SATs to pod verse and he says152401:34:28,470 --> 01:34:30,360you might consider thatlisteners are looking for a152501:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,150signal to help them find goodpodcasts. Well, we just talked152601:34:33,150 --> 01:34:37,050about that a minute ago. Itsprovenance. Its provenance.152701:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,710leaderboards are useful becauseyou can presume that as the show152801:34:40,710 --> 01:34:43,920gets a lot of support, thenmaybe it is worth checking out.152901:34:43,980 --> 01:34:48,120I also really like clips astheir listener curated samples.153001:34:48,420 --> 01:34:51,210Discovery is a signal to noiseproblem for the listeners. These153101:34:51,210 --> 01:34:53,880things help PS I'm not apodcaster just a podcast153201:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,910listener who loves podcasting.2.0 go podcasting. Yeah, cool.153301:34:56,910 --> 01:34:59,970Well, you just go podcast. Youjust learned that153401:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,900A lot of that could be coming.We're sucking out the data the153501:35:03,930 --> 01:35:07,890the node, we're gonna suck outthe node and dump into the DB.153601:35:09,059 --> 01:35:14,219Sir Thank you sir. Looks a lot5552 from Satoshi stream and he153701:35:14,219 --> 01:35:15,899just give us a smiley face. Oh.153801:35:18,270 --> 01:35:22,290Another 5552 Three from Satoshistream and he says, You153901:35:22,290 --> 01:35:24,930interface is not live yetrebuilding everything would love154001:35:24,930 --> 01:35:28,500to talk on PC 2.0 Once we'relive eta quarter five.154101:35:31,470 --> 01:35:33,750There'll be ready quarter five.We'll have you owning quarter154201:35:33,750 --> 01:35:34,200six.154301:35:35,340 --> 01:35:39,690will be ready for you. Yeah,we're ready. Yeah. 2100 SATs154401:35:39,690 --> 01:35:43,740from Bhumi over at the Albyheadquarters, through pod verse154501:35:43,740 --> 01:35:47,490no note from Bumi and he gave usanother 2100 Thanks. Thanks,154601:35:47,490 --> 01:35:51,240booming thanks, boom. GeorgeOrwell gave us a row as a little154701:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,980row of sticks. One. C. One 11was thank you for your courage.154801:35:56,700 --> 01:35:57,240Thank you.154901:35:58,590 --> 01:36:02,460Roy scheinfeld. There he is.Different. Here's a different155001:36:02,460 --> 01:36:08,130one though. This is not 543210.This is 44444.155101:36:09,930 --> 01:36:14,640And he says it's my 44thbirthday. Oh, happy birthday.155201:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,580Happy birthday, Roy. He wasgonna ride the lightning with155301:36:17,580 --> 01:36:17,820you.155401:36:19,020 --> 01:36:22,920Happy Birthday Roy 40 ForbesShut Up Baby.155501:36:26,610 --> 01:36:31,680Baby. I didn't know. I didn'tknow he was that young bastard.155601:36:32,340 --> 01:36:36,270I hope you have a steak dinner.And excellent hummus on your155701:36:36,270 --> 01:36:40,770birthday Roy show not to I thinkI missed it. Shana Tova.155801:36:41,970 --> 01:36:44,760What does that mean? Happy RoshHaShana. Happy New Year. Happy155901:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,770New Year. Okay.156001:36:47,940 --> 01:36:51,750Roy came in again with 10,000SATs and he says his messages156101:36:51,750 --> 01:36:55,560podcast index.org Oh, I know.She's like, Well, I was only156201:36:55,560 --> 01:37:00,570sent 44 I feel bad. Normally Isend 54321 So156301:37:02,520 --> 01:37:07,440that's a big. I'm a big advocateof guilt. Guilt. Guilt is good.156401:37:07,440 --> 01:37:14,100Yes. We need more of that. 30 c3333 from Debow. Deb Bo's de156501:37:14,100 --> 01:37:18,390Bozek through through fountainno note. Thank you. Thank you to156601:37:18,390 --> 01:37:22,890Bozak LLC nannies 9780156701:37:23,940 --> 01:37:28,710through fountain from BorisGazecki. Yeah, Boris kudelski.156801:37:29,190 --> 01:37:31,590He says you asked about Polishzloty.156901:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,000Oh, he's got actual letters inhere with like strikes through157001:37:36,000 --> 01:37:36,540them and stuff.157101:37:37,800 --> 01:37:42,480That's cool. Yeah, you askedabout about Polish as Lottie.157201:37:43,050 --> 01:37:49,140Once Lottie is 978 Satoshi, so Ijust send 10 zlotys Oh, not157301:37:49,140 --> 01:37:52,650much. Not much but power innumbers. Starbucks coffee is157401:37:52,650 --> 01:37:57,660about to 12 zlotys cool right.We have no euro but we are on157501:37:57,660 --> 01:38:00,900the European Union. On thepodcast dot info we have157601:38:00,900 --> 01:38:05,550registered over 7220 Polishlanguage podcasts with RSS word157701:38:05,550 --> 01:38:09,240podcasting in Polish meanspodcasts. Thanks for V for V157801:38:09,240 --> 01:38:10,410international lifestyle157901:38:16,170 --> 01:38:20,370that's cool. Very cool. Well,you know I would I would love to158001:38:20,850 --> 01:38:24,120I mean, it's just such a coolname. If the I'm sure that158101:38:24,120 --> 01:38:29,340they'll do a CtbC as centralbank digital currency of this is158201:38:29,340 --> 01:38:32,880Lottie key imagine boostingsomeone in zlotys I mean that's158301:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,280just Oh man you need all over me158401:38:38,910 --> 01:38:41,610so CSV didn't give us a goodrundown he gave us an158501:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,630explanation. Hey, at least Iknew of the existence of this158601:38:45,630 --> 01:38:50,460Lottie Yeah Oh, you were allover as you show me as Lottie158701:38:50,460 --> 01:38:51,150I'm all over158801:38:53,040 --> 01:38:57,930the Polish language. Lots Z'slots of wise Yeah, lots of158901:38:57,930 --> 01:39:01,590strikes through letters. Yeah,don't like I was writing this.159001:39:01,620 --> 01:39:03,240Oh, what I thought No, that'swrong.159101:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,060Lash striking out striking.159201:39:08,340 --> 01:39:13,680SLC, sent as 8008 sets boobdonation to fountain and he says159301:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,390pouring out SATs for Brianna.159401:39:20,790 --> 01:39:25,770Jean Everett sent us a row ofsticks 11111 He says mini boost159501:39:26,850 --> 01:39:32,340boost CASP eland Hey Cass extendis 3699 He says159601:39:33,750 --> 01:39:35,520listen Oh God, this is Dutch.159701:39:36,900 --> 01:39:42,660Like liquor showed showed youthe leg like like I showed you.159801:39:43,500 --> 01:39:45,300That's the whole message nowthere's more.159901:39:48,450 --> 01:39:48,870Hello.160001:39:50,970 --> 01:39:51,510Oh,160101:39:52,920 --> 01:39:57,330did I just lose my internet? Ihear you. Are you there? Okay,160201:39:57,510 --> 01:39:59,970Dave. I know what happened.160301:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,180Do I know what happens on asecond?160401:40:04,620 --> 01:40:05,460Boot?160501:40:07,680 --> 01:40:08,610Oh wait160601:40:09,990 --> 01:40:11,640no no when the full freeze160701:40:14,790 --> 01:40:17,880okay so like a show just so it'sa great show which is really a160801:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,250little more endearing the witheraway. Okay, it's great show160901:40:20,250 --> 01:40:23,070really nice great show reallygreat show. Yeah, like a like a161001:40:23,070 --> 01:40:27,780show with you. Okay and thenbeen dunked but dunk thanks161101:40:28,860 --> 01:40:31,560for for for161201:40:33,450 --> 01:40:40,890Julie work for your work. Okay,ju li e usually your your work161301:40:40,920 --> 01:40:46,650you usually usually W E rk isyour work. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks161401:40:46,650 --> 01:40:50,910for your thanks for your work.Licorice liquor shows you the161501:40:50,910 --> 01:40:56,040dogs voor is usually work. Yeah,exactly. You can get laid in161601:40:56,040 --> 01:40:57,570Amsterdam. Congratulations.161701:40:59,310 --> 01:41:03,000That's that's the goal. Yes,promise. As long as we have a161801:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,230focus here, people.161901:41:06,750 --> 01:41:11,940Okay, cast cast peeling says getget divorce back on board fund.162001:41:11,970 --> 01:41:17,0103690 said good luck. With that,yeah, it's gonna take more than162101:41:17,010 --> 01:41:21,1503697. From time to time, I'llsay hey, you know, there's this162201:41:21,150 --> 01:41:24,930place and you know, and it's abank and we could have SATs go162301:41:24,930 --> 01:41:28,200there or Bitcoin. And theyactually put it directly into162401:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,100our bank account. He justignores those emails. You won't162501:41:32,100 --> 01:41:36,270even you won't even acknowledgeI sent them. They go to spam, or162601:41:36,270 --> 01:41:40,500whatever. Yeah, relaxed mails inhis 22 to 22 big road dogs. And162701:41:40,500 --> 01:41:44,130he's so fountain. He says dohave a question for you. Is162801:41:44,130 --> 01:41:47,070there a site for the supernewbie trying to use podcasting162901:41:47,070 --> 01:41:52,2002.0 A friend Amy is wanting touse this, but don't know where163001:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,600to start. And I'm not findingany place that has all the163101:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,110resources to be able to easilylearn how to learn the how tos.163201:41:58,410 --> 01:42:04,620Also, no sir the relaxed male isnot a MGT O W Site, nor is it a163301:42:04,620 --> 01:42:08,400red pill site. The relaxed maleis a site that helps men to take163401:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,210control of their lives withoutplaying the victim. Find more163501:42:12,210 --> 01:42:16,860apt relaxed male.com Gopodcasting. Yo yo go well, I was163601:42:16,860 --> 01:42:17,550gonna almost163701:42:19,770 --> 01:42:22,200so I'm not sure did you want tostart as a listener as a163801:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,920podcaster I guess as a podcasterSee, this is the problem. He163901:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,580said people say this sometimesthey say how do I start with164001:42:29,580 --> 01:42:33,690podcasting 2.0 And I don't knowwhether they mean like the tags164101:42:33,690 --> 01:42:36,270and the namespace or that theymean value for value, I don't164201:42:36,270 --> 01:42:36,960know right?164301:42:38,430 --> 01:42:42,270Be more clear and send anotherboost and we'll help you if you164401:42:42,270 --> 01:42:44,400want to start with value forvalue if that's what you're164501:42:44,400 --> 01:42:44,940wanting164601:42:46,620 --> 01:42:53,190lots of good at, I would suggestto go to podcaster wallet and164701:42:53,190 --> 01:42:57,420claim your feed and then there'sa there's links there in the164801:42:57,420 --> 01:43:00,270podcast or what dashboard toeach of the services where you164901:43:00,270 --> 01:43:05,220can sign up to do it and I wouldsuggest you click on some of165001:43:05,220 --> 01:43:09,900those links in just read becauselike Fountain has a really good165101:43:09,900 --> 01:43:15,270guide Alvey has a good guide toshe stream I'll be in Fountain165201:43:20,580 --> 01:43:21,150nice165301:43:23,340 --> 01:43:24,360I'm here all weekend.165401:43:26,760 --> 01:43:27,630Yeah, just click,165501:43:29,700 --> 01:43:32,850click, click on this stuff,click on those links and just165601:43:32,850 --> 01:43:35,700read about them and see, youknow, they're pretty clear165701:43:35,700 --> 01:43:39,030they'll tell you want to dothat. Like if it's like the tags165801:43:39,030 --> 01:43:41,700and things like that just postyour question jump on podcasts165901:43:41,700 --> 01:43:44,640and so social or whatever NASAwill it will help you out or166001:43:45,030 --> 01:43:49,080value for value dot info. Youwant to learn about value for166101:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,480value the internationallifestyle and there are some166201:43:51,480 --> 01:43:54,270guides some points there to someguides.166301:43:57,210 --> 01:44:02,250Stick I'm still laughing aboutthat. Mitch says 3333 from pod166401:44:02,250 --> 01:44:05,910verse. Thanks, Mitch. Thank you,buddy. No note, Dave Jackson166501:44:05,910 --> 01:44:09,930from the school of podcastingpodcasting Hall of Famer pod166601:44:09,930 --> 01:44:12,810verse he says great show isalways in honor of international166701:44:12,810 --> 01:44:15,720podcast day. Any chance ofhearing the daily source intro166801:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,760for old times sake? Oh,166901:44:19,230 --> 01:44:24,150I don't know if I have it. DSCopener. I will read that on a167001:44:24,150 --> 01:44:25,470path to Redux.167101:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,780sysadmins is showing five nineson time167201:44:31,980 --> 01:44:33,03021st century of167301:44:38,580 --> 01:44:39,180unknowing167401:44:45,450 --> 01:44:48,060that is so young. You know whatI should have done?167501:44:50,850 --> 01:44:51,450Was it167601:44:57,510 --> 01:44:59,970was Yeah, I guess it is167701:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,990No wonder where's my167801:45:02,250 --> 01:45:05,190I screwed it up already. I can'tI can't figure anything out167901:45:05,190 --> 01:45:09,240anymore. Once you do, I wasgonna do something incredibly168001:45:09,240 --> 01:45:13,110cute and start a song but now Ican't find the song. So so.168101:45:13,380 --> 01:45:13,800Yeah,168201:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,750Linkin Park rolls send us 10,000sets. Thank you Linkin Park. No168301:45:18,750 --> 01:45:19,260note.168401:45:20,400 --> 01:45:26,430Oh jump jump of the live champpodcast in his 20,202 sets. At168501:45:26,430 --> 01:45:29,040the pod version. He says prettysure Obama was drinking hot dog168601:45:29,040 --> 01:45:29,850flavored water168701:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,700No, I did well, let me let melet me try this. Do you mind if168801:45:35,700 --> 01:45:37,860I just take it back? Well fix itand post no one will ever168901:45:37,860 --> 01:45:41,070notice. Do it. Okay, all right,here we go. Just just for my own169001:45:41,070 --> 01:45:41,400vibe.169101:45:43,770 --> 01:45:46,620Sis admins is showing five ninesuptime.169201:45:47,730 --> 01:45:50,46021st century of radio startshere.169301:45:53,790 --> 01:45:55,020Live on noise169401:45:58,200 --> 01:45:58,830carry169501:46:02,940 --> 01:46:06,600thank God, it's Friday,everybody. Turn up the knob and169601:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,020ribbon169701:46:13,260 --> 01:46:17,310this oh man, you can't take youcan't take the DJ out of the169801:46:17,310 --> 01:46:19,800guy. You just can't do it. Itwas so good when I do that.169901:46:21,510 --> 01:46:24,690You're just full of joy. You'reso full of joy when you do that.170001:46:25,290 --> 01:46:28,110I love it. I was that guy fromthe opening? Yeah. All right.170101:46:28,110 --> 01:46:31,860Oh, sorry. Mike, you stillthere? Yes, it was great.170201:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,780User. Let's see we got a we gota boost 2020 52 through fountain170301:46:39,780 --> 01:46:45,900from user 8879640 a 1264210. Hesays, Thank you for this early170401:46:45,900 --> 01:46:48,690work in helping build this valuefor value infrastructure. You've170501:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,320inspired our high schoolrobotics team. Oh, Nightcrawler170601:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,9102052 Here in Minnesota to startour own weekly podcast as a way170701:46:56,910 --> 01:47:00,330to distribute information to oursupporters and fans. Oh, cool.170801:47:00,630 --> 01:47:04,080Nice. It is another excitingupdate in our learning process170901:47:04,080 --> 01:47:07,230with new technology and thepossibilities that opens up. Let171001:47:07,230 --> 01:47:11,460me hear let me hear you. Holla.Hey, let us know when you're up.171101:47:12,270 --> 01:47:14,490Yeah, I'll subscribe. And we'llpromote it.171201:47:15,570 --> 01:47:19,980Oh, man, that's great. Nervousnother nerd podcast. Yeah, but171301:47:19,980 --> 01:47:22,650who gets the sass the schoolsystem or the or the teacher?171401:47:22,650 --> 01:47:24,450What has that word? No. They171501:47:26,610 --> 01:47:29,640know that. Everybody? Everybodyon the team gets a split. Yeah.171601:47:29,670 --> 01:47:30,690Because that's what I would say.171701:47:32,550 --> 01:47:37,470Mike Dell 3002 sets. He says apod ping from power press boost171801:47:37,470 --> 01:47:38,340go podcasting?171901:47:41,370 --> 01:47:44,370Yeah, I haven't been talkingabout that. That's the I'm172001:47:44,370 --> 01:47:47,550seeing the power press boost. Imean, power press pod things172101:47:47,550 --> 01:47:51,030come through. Yeah, that'sdynamite. I want to get to I172201:47:51,030 --> 01:47:55,620really want to get Horowitz onall this stuff. But yeah, that's172301:47:55,620 --> 01:47:59,460well, because he's stuck inLipson land, or I don't know if172401:47:59,460 --> 01:48:03,600he's on blueberry, or I, youknow, he had Feedburner in the172501:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,380middle of his chain somehow anda whole bunch of and so we172601:48:07,380 --> 01:48:10,530finally worked it all out withhim. But now I don't remember.172701:48:10,530 --> 01:48:13,800But you know, his his he doeseverything on WordPress. And so,172801:48:14,130 --> 01:48:16,650you know, that is kind of thedownside, when you're using a172901:48:16,650 --> 01:48:20,250WordPress with a certain pluginthat works a certain way. You173001:48:20,250 --> 01:48:24,000can't just add something else toit. And then it will mess up the173101:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,000site because he likes to justmake one post and it posts on173201:48:27,000 --> 01:48:32,610the website and it does thepodcast, but I don't know. Is he173301:48:32,670 --> 01:48:35,340is he using PowerPress? Orwhat's the you know, WordPress?173401:48:35,370 --> 01:48:39,750I'm not sure. Okay, he's usingsomething that used to connect173501:48:39,750 --> 01:48:43,890to feed burner for your pod feedburner. Yeah, don't even get me173601:48:43,890 --> 01:48:44,430started.173701:48:46,020 --> 01:48:49,980Frank Ducey. Well, I mean, hecould claim his podcast and the173801:48:49,980 --> 01:48:52,350podcaster wallet and be donewith Yeah, but I don't want to173901:48:52,350 --> 01:48:53,400help him screw him.174001:48:56,220 --> 01:49:00,030Franco Celerio from Casta Mannixthank you everybody Franco's174101:49:00,060 --> 01:49:04,890since 1038 sets, no note. Thankyou Franco Bomer I was looking174201:49:04,890 --> 01:49:08,580forward to a note from Franco,Brian of London and hive Dao174301:49:08,700 --> 01:49:15,06050,003 88 sets Z for V app andhe says, Shana Tova and Mahatma174401:49:15,060 --> 01:49:18,540Tova to all the shapeshifters inthe audience174501:49:25,410 --> 01:49:26,700I was touched on October174601:49:27,990 --> 01:49:37,380Yeah. So Shana, Happy New YearHappy Shana. Tova Shun. Not a174701:49:37,380 --> 01:49:41,100lot, but I've always pronouncedthat Shana Tova. What about174801:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,830Gamar Hatoyama Tova174901:49:44,850 --> 01:49:47,340G. Mar, I think I dated her incollege.175001:49:49,290 --> 01:49:52,260Wow, she's a wild girl. He is.Yeah, she's nice.175101:49:54,180 --> 01:49:59,700Thanks, Brian. Dovid us throughfountain of dividends from our175201:49:59,700 --> 01:49:59,970system.175301:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,770Lu, he's not sure we 25,013 sayshe's not sure I agree on the175401:50:04,770 --> 01:50:07,560extent of the problem regardingmusic uploads and legality.175501:50:07,950 --> 01:50:10,590People could already uploadsomeone else's content without175601:50:10,590 --> 01:50:13,680these new tags. Anchor is facingchallenges because their service175701:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,490is free. Ours is blue is notfree. But that means that we can175801:50:17,490 --> 01:50:20,130not only afford to offer greatcustomer support, we can also175901:50:20,130 --> 01:50:23,130detect content uploaded bymalicious actors. Oh great stead176001:50:23,130 --> 01:50:27,030of using unreliable detectiontools now. Hey, I'm all for it.176101:50:27,510 --> 01:50:29,880Man. I love you guys for doingit. Don't get me wrong, I176201:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,600support you. 100% just just wantto protect you brother.176301:50:35,490 --> 01:50:41,790Todd Cochrane 55,420 Sasserfountain Oh, hello. He says big176401:50:41,790 --> 01:50:44,460thanks today for coming on thenew media show and giving us two176501:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,660hours of his time. response sofar have been interesting. Lots176601:50:48,660 --> 01:50:51,450of things from independentpodcasters but it's been pretty176701:50:51,450 --> 01:50:54,720much crickets from podcastscompanies still haven't had this176801:50:54,720 --> 01:50:58,020much fun in many years with myclothes on go find castings it's176901:51:00,810 --> 01:51:04,380so that so the livestream endedweirdly and I had sent three177001:51:04,380 --> 01:51:08,760boosts I think he got them alldid he read heard them all? Did177101:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,610he read the last one? Yeah,where you said Take your shirt177201:51:11,610 --> 01:51:12,240off big boy.177301:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,350Because he was like, this is themost fun I've had with my177401:51:16,350 --> 01:51:20,130clothes. I'm like, 50,000 setaside to take. Take your shirt177501:51:20,130 --> 01:51:20,820off big boy.177601:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,240They did read that. Okay. Yeah,he did. Yeah, you had that one177701:51:24,240 --> 01:51:24,870to raise.177801:51:26,430 --> 01:51:29,280That was awesome. Yeah. Thanks,Todd. It was great fun. Yeah.177901:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,670Had a good time. If you miss ifanybody cares that we just went178001:51:32,670 --> 01:51:37,890through the whole No, it was agreat episode. If you can watch178101:51:37,890 --> 01:51:41,700the video, the whole slide deckthat the Dave presented at178201:51:41,700 --> 01:51:43,020Podcast Movement178301:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,850except for some Invalid XML onone of the slides that I caught.178401:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,660That's like, I I would nevercatch involved. I mean, how many178501:51:54,660 --> 01:51:57,390times I've screwed up my RSSfeed. Yeah, that's my job. But178601:51:58,710 --> 01:52:02,430I know you put some XML on on aslide. Oh, wait a minute. That's178701:52:02,430 --> 01:52:04,830invalid. Dave. I'm178801:52:06,780 --> 01:52:09,570texting him during the show.Man. It's Invalid XML and a page178901:52:09,570 --> 01:52:09,870bro.179001:52:11,190 --> 01:52:14,400Made me feel like a douche. Butit was really it was very good.179101:52:14,820 --> 01:52:19,500In fact, that's for our previousguy. Our previous booster, go179201:52:19,500 --> 01:52:23,970take a look at that. Just justit's a great tutorial, great179301:52:24,240 --> 01:52:26,940primer, primer, whatever youwant to call it that just really179401:52:26,940 --> 01:52:29,340kind of gets you into Alright,these are all the things that179501:52:29,340 --> 01:52:33,570come again. May I just say I gotblessed Todd Cochran again, man,179601:52:33,570 --> 01:52:37,500he has seen the light he ishe's, he's all in he's like, Oh,179701:52:37,530 --> 01:52:40,440I think he's kind of like shoot,I should have been all in179801:52:40,440 --> 01:52:45,300already. And he says Make it asmuch yeah, it's good. Um, so and179901:52:45,330 --> 01:52:48,420this is going to differentiatehis company to say they're180001:52:48,420 --> 01:52:50,670putting their money where theirmouth is man pod pod paying180101:52:50,670 --> 01:52:55,290through PowerPress Yeah, that'scool. That's that's that's not a180201:52:55,290 --> 01:52:57,960small undertaking. AndCastillo's did it, you know, a180301:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,870few months ago with seriouslysimple plugin. And it's it180401:53:00,870 --> 01:53:04,890requires work. That's a realcommitment in and I'm really180501:53:04,890 --> 01:53:08,220grateful that they did that.Because that, that brings in,180601:53:08,850 --> 01:53:14,550that brings in a lot more feeds.PowerPress is got a big base,180701:53:14,580 --> 01:53:19,170big install base. And so likethat, that helps us so the pod180801:53:19,170 --> 01:53:23,220ping not to get too far off therails here. But the pod pod ping180901:53:25,230 --> 01:53:29,550is a discovery tool for us. Weand everybody I mean, not just181001:53:29,550 --> 01:53:33,120us, everybody who watches thepod ping blockchain can find new181101:53:33,120 --> 01:53:37,650feeds this way. But the feesthat are really hard to find,181201:53:37,860 --> 01:53:42,120like really hard to find ourfeeds that are independently181301:53:42,120 --> 01:53:46,170hosted on things like WordPress,and they're not in iTunes,181401:53:46,200 --> 01:53:50,460right? That means you prettymuch have to just randomly come181501:53:50,460 --> 01:53:52,770across them on a on an internetcrawl.181601:53:53,820 --> 01:53:55,440That's not common.181701:53:56,490 --> 01:54:01,350So having those podcasts andI've seen some of them come181801:54:01,350 --> 01:54:06,090through things like like aJewish. There were some one that181901:54:06,090 --> 01:54:09,210came through the other day. It'slike a Jewish podcast. It's not182001:54:09,210 --> 01:54:14,490an iTunes. And it's like a it'salmost like a local synagogue. I182101:54:14,490 --> 01:54:18,090mean, we didn't have it. Wedidn't even know this thing182201:54:18,090 --> 01:54:20,850existed. And we wouldn't haveknown it existed without182301:54:20,850 --> 01:54:24,300popping. So this is fantastic.I'm a really appreciate.182401:54:25,320 --> 01:54:29,370Appreciate blueberry andCastillo's putting that into182501:54:29,370 --> 01:54:32,280their WordPress product. Yes,that is very helpful scrim.182601:54:33,660 --> 01:54:38,580Bouverie 21 112 Since a big rushboosts through boost CLI because182701:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,340he's old school like that, andhe says, I think I know the182801:54:41,340 --> 01:54:46,020answer already. Does rock Finnqualify as V for V. Also Adams182901:54:46,020 --> 01:54:49,110thoughts about video podcastsare confirmed true. Audio Only183001:54:49,110 --> 01:54:53,670is more mysterious. There's amystique. The mental mindfuck183101:54:53,670 --> 01:54:54,600can be nice.183201:54:56,040 --> 01:54:59,970Boost. I don't know about rockfan. I don't know what Ron Thane183301:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,470I don't know I think about itwhen183401:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,040there's some sort of tippingthing and I was watching.183501:55:06,299 --> 01:55:09,299I was watching their show lastnight live stream for a while as183601:55:09,299 --> 01:55:12,809I was prepping for the showtoday. And I saw the little183701:55:12,809 --> 01:55:15,599tipping thing at the top and itand stayed zero the whole show.183801:55:15,629 --> 01:55:21,659So tipping doesn't work. Yeah,yep, yep, yep. Brooklyn. See183901:55:21,659 --> 01:55:25,979Brooklyn 112 gave us 3333through curio caster, he says.184001:55:26,429 --> 01:55:29,939Happy International podcast day.Yes. Thank you. Thanks to Chris.184101:55:31,560 --> 01:55:37,260Blueberry again 17 776 MegaLiberty boost. Through pod184201:55:37,260 --> 01:55:39,720verse. He says lavish now wentoh, wait, that's the one you184301:55:39,720 --> 01:55:40,380read earlier. Yeah.184401:55:41,820 --> 01:55:42,150Okay.184501:55:43,260 --> 01:55:46,020Okay, well, then we got comicstrip blog there. delimiter.184601:55:46,050 --> 01:55:50,610There he is. 15,033 cents.Through fountain he says Howdy,184701:55:50,610 --> 01:55:54,180David. Adam. Your audiencesinvited to our podcast with news184801:55:54,180 --> 01:55:57,900about artificial intelligencenarrated by soon to be famous TV184901:55:57,900 --> 01:56:01,800Show Developer Gregory WilliamForsythe Foreman from England,185001:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,940just up in your web browser orany podcatcher AI dot cooking185101:56:05,970 --> 01:56:07,890stay safe with Jesus yo.185201:56:09,990 --> 01:56:13,500Very much comic strip blogger.Yeah, thanks, chemistry boy.185301:56:13,650 --> 01:56:14,070Thank you, I185401:56:15,660 --> 01:56:19,560guess the monthlies here throughPay Pal drips God give us $15185501:56:19,560 --> 01:56:24,990Thank you. Thank you, Bruce.Jeff Miller $20 Michael Kimmerer185601:56:24,990 --> 01:56:32,190$5.33 Leslie Martin $2 AaronRenaud $5 and Pedro Gon calvess185701:56:32,220 --> 01:56:35,880$5 That's our group. Thank youall so much for contributing185801:56:35,880 --> 01:56:40,260value back to the project to theshow. podcast index.org right185901:56:40,260 --> 01:56:42,810there on the homepage we explainwhat we do we explain what the186001:56:42,810 --> 01:56:46,530money is used for. Spoiler we'renot getting any186101:56:49,980 --> 01:56:54,630you can also find a PayPal linkthere and QR codes don't let's186201:56:54,630 --> 01:56:58,230see if anyone used it after allthose years of asking let's see.186301:57:00,780 --> 01:57:03,570Have we checked that recently?Usually there's nothing but I186401:57:03,570 --> 01:57:05,430just want to make sure thatsomeone didn't give us a million186501:57:05,430 --> 01:57:08,730dollars in Bitcoin and we missedit that would really be sad.186601:57:09,510 --> 01:57:13,350Spencer said in the chat he saysa rock fan you check the quote186701:57:13,380 --> 01:57:18,390these bros on my shit box tojoin. Okay, this podcast186801:57:18,390 --> 01:57:22,020index.org sites not loading. Imean it's loading but then it186901:57:22,020 --> 01:57:26,460goes away. It's like the like aJavaScript or something is187001:57:26,490 --> 01:57:27,420hijacking it.187101:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,170See word up when it came upthrough?187201:57:33,390 --> 01:57:36,150Is it is it didn't it goesblank. Oh, yeah, it happened.187301:57:36,330 --> 01:57:37,140That was to me to187401:57:39,630 --> 01:57:43,920wait, maybe I need to blocksome. Yeah, my lb popped up.187501:57:45,870 --> 01:57:49,890Could it be an lb thing? Let'ssee podcast. index.org. Get on.187601:57:49,890 --> 01:57:53,430Let me turn on. Let me turn on,I gotta put shields back up.187701:57:53,580 --> 01:57:54,330Shields up.187801:57:56,190 --> 01:58:01,050Now, same thing, it's it loadsand then then it disappears. At187901:58:01,050 --> 01:58:05,010type air as a type error failedto construct media metadata.188001:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,880HTTPS can't be resolved to avalid URL. We have an issue. We188101:58:08,880 --> 01:58:09,630have a problem.188201:58:11,070 --> 01:58:15,600What does that what is going on?No idea. This this is a bunch of188301:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,470stuff. Whenever it says there'sa problem in bundle dot j s188401:58:19,470 --> 01:58:22,530that's a that's like a web packthing. I have no idea what it188501:58:22,530 --> 01:58:22,920is.188601:58:25,320 --> 01:58:28,500Well, I don't know. I think ifwe wait long enough, it'll fix188701:58:28,500 --> 01:58:29,940it. Oh, no, of course it will.But188801:58:31,950 --> 01:58:34,620I propose we do nothing. Now.What was I gonna do? Oh, I was188901:58:34,620 --> 01:58:37,320only trying to find the tallycoin address. All right. Well,189001:58:37,350 --> 01:58:40,350we'll have to Okay. If you go toit's just the homepage that's189101:58:40,350 --> 01:58:44,280doing that the Apps page isokay. The stats page is good.189201:58:45,930 --> 01:58:48,990I'm telling you it has somethingto do with the with this. It's189301:58:48,990 --> 01:58:53,460trying to bring up the image inthe player the random the rails189401:58:53,460 --> 01:58:57,030show the slider? Yeah, I thinkthat's a carousel. Here's a189501:58:57,030 --> 01:58:59,430carousel because I see thatloading and then it then it189601:58:59,460 --> 01:59:04,980flashes away. Yeah, it'll fixitself. Yes. Let me see if I189701:59:04,980 --> 01:59:07,410want to get to that page. I wantto see what it's trying to load.189801:59:08,250 --> 01:59:11,550I can't can't get it. All right.Nevermind.189901:59:13,590 --> 01:59:15,300What were we even trying to do?I forgot.190001:59:16,500 --> 01:59:18,930I don't know. I was gonna lookat tally coin. I was gonna look190101:59:18,930 --> 01:59:20,250at Oh, yeah.190201:59:21,810 --> 01:59:23,130Support cards, and here it is.190301:59:24,150 --> 01:59:24,630Okay.190401:59:26,550 --> 01:59:30,600And yeah, okay. Well, I shouldhave nothing is usual now.190501:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,870Nope. Last one, from August 26.It was from Drib.190601:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,970Mike, how does it does it makemoney and are you making any190701:59:41,970 --> 01:59:42,330money?190801:59:43,350 --> 01:59:47,400We're not like I mean, we areour costs are pretty low. We190901:59:47,400 --> 01:59:51,540actually do a lot of the a lotof the computation locally, and191001:59:51,540 --> 01:59:56,310then we push stuff up to Amazon.So it's a pretty low overhead191101:59:56,460 --> 01:59:59,670thing to keep up. But now wedon't make money yet. Well,191201:59:59,670 --> 01:59:59,970how's your191302:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,760What's your plan to make money?Are you going to do charge191402:00:02,760 --> 02:00:06,210premium? Or are you going to dovalue for value? Like, what do191502:00:06,210 --> 02:00:10,470you have? You have an idea aboutvalue for value, I think tooling191602:00:10,470 --> 02:00:13,350for, for folks that are lookingfor191702:00:14,940 --> 02:00:17,220maybe like, you could imagine anadvertiser trying to find a191802:00:17,220 --> 02:00:20,280podcast. There's, there's acouple of tools out there191902:00:20,280 --> 02:00:23,130already for that, but I don'tthey mostly rely on Apple's 100192002:00:23,130 --> 02:00:25,590categories. And so I thinkgiving somebody a million ways192102:00:25,590 --> 02:00:29,580to find the podcasts that arerelevant could be, you know, a192202:00:29,580 --> 02:00:30,660big, big win.192302:00:32,610 --> 02:00:36,210We're mostly looking at thosekinds of kinds of models to make192402:00:36,210 --> 02:00:41,610money. Okay. Okay. That's cuz, Imean, we ever just put something192502:00:41,610 --> 02:00:43,860in the app where people can payyou.192602:00:45,390 --> 02:00:48,150We will, I guess there'll be thewith the via, for you just just192702:00:48,180 --> 02:00:51,270general like Patreon orsomething? Well, either way, I192802:00:51,270 --> 02:00:55,350mean, like a premium, you know,purchase, like a, you know,192902:00:55,350 --> 02:00:57,720annual subscription or somethinglike that, or a value for you193002:00:57,720 --> 02:00:59,880know, or taking a cut of valuefor value. Because I mean, all193102:00:59,880 --> 02:01:04,650these apps, if you if you have asubscription, I mean, I'll do it193202:01:04,650 --> 02:01:07,740I do I do it with all of them.It's, you know, for support, and193302:01:07,740 --> 02:01:08,640then I'm sure193402:01:09,900 --> 02:01:14,430you know, it brings in with thesearch, because our IV is going193502:01:14,430 --> 02:01:17,220to be on my rotation now,because193602:01:18,450 --> 02:01:21,300I didn't realize until a fewdays ago when I started playing193702:01:21,300 --> 02:01:24,270with it, that how strong thesearch was, and that's really193802:01:24,270 --> 02:01:28,650valuable. So I know it's Iagree. I agree. I think it's193902:01:28,650 --> 02:01:30,120really valuable. And194002:01:31,770 --> 02:01:35,340yeah, I personally, I like thevalue for value more than the194102:01:35,340 --> 02:01:39,180subscriptions. Dave just wantsto give you money. So just give194202:01:39,180 --> 02:01:42,870him a QR code. Yes to me. Yeah.Give me your ABI wallet, and194302:01:42,870 --> 02:01:43,800I'll send you some money.194402:01:44,820 --> 02:01:45,420Sounds great.194502:01:47,400 --> 02:01:49,650Did you have a chance to send meyour?194602:01:51,180 --> 02:01:55,470Your your Albea wallet address?Yes, I'm sending it right. Okay,194702:01:55,470 --> 02:01:57,960good. Good. Because we'renearing the end. And you know, I194802:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,480just like to get it done. Get itup, get it out. But But Bada194902:02:00,480 --> 02:02:01,260bing, bada boom.195002:02:03,030 --> 02:02:06,000We get we need to talk aboutface six. The namespace. But I195102:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,580mean, we might just want to waituntil next week, or what do you195202:02:08,580 --> 02:02:12,720think? Well, we're two hours ortwo hours in? Do you have a job?195302:02:13,590 --> 02:02:17,010I do actually have one. Do youwant to keep your job?195402:02:18,270 --> 02:02:24,420Talk about namespace things. Sixand no. Yeah, jobs are good. So195502:02:25,230 --> 02:02:28,530if we can have the podcastindustrial complex, stop putting195602:02:28,530 --> 02:02:30,600their foot in their mouth, wewon't have to talk about him so195702:02:30,600 --> 02:02:33,960much on the next at the nextboard meeting. That's true. And195802:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,330nothing will happen this weekthat will cause us to be195902:02:36,330 --> 02:02:38,850distracted. So we can gostraight. We can go straight to196002:02:38,850 --> 02:02:42,150the namespace on the next show.Yep, yep. Yep. Hey, Mike, man,196102:02:42,150 --> 02:02:47,130thank you so much. And you andyour wife for for iv.fm. And I196202:02:47,760 --> 02:02:52,140actually tried to load it on mygraphene OS through the the196302:02:52,140 --> 02:02:54,960virtual store and I'm havingsome trouble. So I'm gonna see196402:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,960if I can get that loaded. Buteven but I agree with Dave, the196502:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,870search is phenomenal. I reallyliked that. And I appreciate196602:03:00,870 --> 02:03:03,600that. And I want to check mystats. Um, I guess the stats,196702:03:04,620 --> 02:03:07,920like stats, man, I gotta gocheck myself as cool. The one196802:03:08,430 --> 02:03:11,160you haven't, by the way, thewebsites back by the way, it's196902:03:11,160 --> 02:03:14,16060. So yeah, of course. Ofcourse. My job here is done.197002:03:18,090 --> 02:03:20,670All right, Dave. Everythinggood. We are cool. Yeah,197102:03:20,670 --> 02:03:24,810everything's great. Yeah. Had agreat time. Thanks, Mike. And,197202:03:25,020 --> 02:03:26,040yeah, I'm good. I'm just197302:03:27,600 --> 02:03:30,600heading for getting back towork. And then got the weekend.197402:03:30,600 --> 02:03:33,330I think I'm gonna work oncleaning up some of the197502:03:33,330 --> 02:03:38,400formatting for namespace for theface six, and then I've got to197602:03:38,400 --> 02:03:42,870pull in John Chinggis,soundbytes improvement197702:03:42,870 --> 02:03:47,220proposals. And so hopefully, bythe end of the weekend, I will197802:03:47,220 --> 02:03:54,120have everything ready to go fornamespace six discussions. And197902:03:54,120 --> 02:03:54,510then198002:03:55,620 --> 02:03:58,650I'm actually going to gonna tryto carve out some time for that.198102:03:59,550 --> 02:04:03,000For the massive dump of theboost as I want to work on that198202:04:03,060 --> 02:04:05,280massive dumps coming.198302:04:06,990 --> 02:04:09,660All right. Thanks, brother.Mike. Thank you so much, man. So198402:04:09,660 --> 02:04:12,120you'd say hi to the to yourbetter half who clearly is doing198502:04:12,120 --> 02:04:13,410the work. Alright. Yes.198602:04:15,030 --> 02:04:18,570And thank you chatroom. Thankyou, everybody for attending the198702:04:18,570 --> 02:04:21,540board meeting podcasting. 2.0We'll be back next Friday.198802:04:21,690 --> 02:04:25,230Namespace six we promise See youthen everybody bye bye.198902:04:40,950 --> 02:04:45,510You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast199002:04:45,510 --> 02:04:48,210index.org For more information199102:04:49,980 --> 02:04:53,070Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula199202:04:56,910 --> 02:04:57,840boost