Episode 103: Where's Briana

100:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,480podcasting 2.0 for September23 2022, episode 103 Where's200:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,850Brianna? Hello, everybody.Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 is300:00:11,850 --> 00:00:15,630your weekly board meeting,podcasting? 2.0 everything400:00:15,630 --> 00:00:20,040that's happening in the podcastspace, whatever we got going on500:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,320with the namespace controversy,things to learn fun stuff. And600:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,670of course, all of theinformation and knowledge that700:00:29,670 --> 00:00:33,360flows over podcast index dotsocial. I'm Adam curry here in800:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,970the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama, the man900:00:35,970 --> 00:00:38,790who knows if you've got music inyour feed, say a lot of my1000:00:38,790 --> 00:00:42,180friend on the other end, ladiesand gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.1100:00:43,139 --> 00:00:49,949Man, so beautiful here. So, sonice. Like, low 70s. Outside no1200:00:49,949 --> 00:00:53,219humidity. Yeah, it's justbeautiful. Yeah,1300:00:53,459 --> 00:00:57,329I have to say I was in Georgialast week. And it was warmer1400:00:57,329 --> 00:01:00,749than it is there now today whereyou are. But it was also really1500:01:00,749 --> 00:01:05,579nice. Just a break from theTexas heat was very welcome.1600:01:06,060 --> 00:01:10,530Let you get lucky because SouthGeorgia is usually like the1700:01:10,530 --> 00:01:13,950surface of the sun. Right? Oh,hot there1800:01:13,980 --> 00:01:17,970right. Now it was it was reallygood. I loved it. And I made1900:01:17,970 --> 00:01:18,180about2000:01:18,180 --> 00:01:20,580you, you sound like you had agood trip.2100:01:21,060 --> 00:01:24,990It was a really good trip.Particularly all the stories of2200:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,460this was the beef initiativefood intelligence Summit. And2300:01:29,460 --> 00:01:32,250this is a lot of people who area lot of people who are2400:01:32,250 --> 00:01:37,920understanding what it is to liveon a diet of pure, you know,2500:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,360grass fed, grass finished, mostwould say, depending on your2600:01:42,450 --> 00:01:46,950taste profile, animal protein.And so besides you know, and2700:01:46,950 --> 00:01:52,080really connecting ranchers, to anew audience, in this case,2800:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,230Bitcoiners, because Bitcoinersare willing to try anything and2900:01:55,230 --> 00:01:58,080they got money, basically, Ithink that was the initial idea.3000:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,990But it turns out, they all kindof understand store of value for3100:02:00,990 --> 00:02:04,320the rancher, it's in the cow,the ranchers checking account if3200:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,560he has one as a processingplant. So then there's all these3300:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,190all these these similarities,but ranchers have been in3400:02:11,190 --> 00:02:14,190America have been systematicallypushed towards the commodity3500:02:14,340 --> 00:02:17,670business of look, you just raiseit, you ship them off to us, and3600:02:17,670 --> 00:02:19,920then we'll chop them up. Andwe'll do whatever, mainly, you3700:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,620know, ship that over to othercountries. So, you know, in3800:02:22,620 --> 00:02:25,080America, we're not really eveneating our own beef. You know,3900:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,860it's from South America,Australia, but also the health4000:02:28,860 --> 00:02:32,370benefits, which is, you know, Idon't even know where you stand4100:02:32,370 --> 00:02:36,120on that. But it's been quiteamazing to see people who have4200:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,300had issues for 20 years start toclear them up, and like two4300:02:39,300 --> 00:02:39,870weeks4400:02:40,890 --> 00:02:45,330there, followed this now, do youknow the meat only diet? Do you4500:02:45,330 --> 00:02:45,540know?4600:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,210Yeah, the corner of thecarnivore code? Sure. Yeah.4700:02:48,300 --> 00:02:50,760So I followed this guy yearsago,4800:02:51,660 --> 00:02:53,910when the doctor whatever hisname is,4900:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,400no, this guy, no, this, this isjust a just a dude. And this5000:02:59,730 --> 00:03:05,370dude. Just the dude, you know,he decided that he was going to5100:03:07,110 --> 00:03:10,980eat just meat, only meat. Thisis before there was a mean, like5200:03:10,980 --> 00:03:17,880a carnivore diet. And he keptthis journal. This is probably I5300:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,360don't know, eight or nine yearsago, he kept this journal of of5400:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,570what what happened to his body,how he felt all these kinds of5500:03:24,570 --> 00:03:28,020things. And he was like, I thinkthe age was, I think he was5600:03:28,020 --> 00:03:34,200around 60 or so. And so he waslike, you know, I'm just gonna5700:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,060do this and see what happens. Hewas sort of one of those5800:03:36,060 --> 00:03:41,640experimenter and have one guy'sand so he starts doing it. And5900:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,300he the ordered, so there's aplace out in Texas called6000:03:45,300 --> 00:03:50,940Slickers. Yeah, which is like agrass fed beef. And they got6100:03:50,940 --> 00:03:53,880more than just beef is all grassfed. It's all natural stuff. So6200:03:53,880 --> 00:04:00,150he orders there is like, halfand half like a hat, like a one6300:04:00,150 --> 00:04:05,070to one ratio of regular beef.That was like, ground beef, like6400:04:05,070 --> 00:04:13,68015% fat, and then their dog foodbeef. Oh, yeah. Was there it had6500:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,820all the organ meats andeverything6600:04:14,820 --> 00:04:17,880in it. That was now beingconsumed by people again.6700:04:17,910 --> 00:04:18,390Interesting.6800:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,270Yes, exactly. Yeah. So he'slike, you know, it says not for6900:04:21,270 --> 00:04:23,400human consumption, but it's thesame stuff as everybody else7000:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,290gets. So and he ate it raw7100:04:26,190 --> 00:04:30,960dough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.Well, now it's what I heard a7200:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,990lot of these right and I'm gonnaput this clip in the show notes.7300:04:33,990 --> 00:04:37,860It's about three minutes. It'sTexas slim on the higher side7400:04:37,860 --> 00:04:42,030chats and he explains it sowell. In three minutes. It's7500:04:42,060 --> 00:04:43,230it's phenomenal.7600:04:44,790 --> 00:04:48,540Did he name that thing thatbeef? Dave and telefoon7700:04:48,540 --> 00:04:49,020intelligence.7800:04:49,050 --> 00:04:52,710It's all him. It's all him?Because that's a great name. Oh,7900:04:52,710 --> 00:04:55,710yeah. No, this guy's listened toa couple of couple just for a8000:04:55,710 --> 00:04:58,440little bit of this. This guy's aborn but now he's a rancher.8100:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,220fifth, fourth or fifthgeneration, West Texas. But he8200:05:05,220 --> 00:05:09,480also worked right after collegeyears, which he didn't graduate.8300:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,650He just attended college inAustin. Just all the rest of us.8400:05:13,650 --> 00:05:16,230Yeah, exactly what he justaudited. So he has no degree.8500:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,200And he I think, right onthe.com, boom, boom, boom, he8600:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,740was involved in telecom andother things, but he's a rancher8700:05:22,740 --> 00:05:25,080at heart. And also rodeo guy.8800:05:25,500 --> 00:05:28,020Let me see. So you look out, youknow, we're going through8900:05:28,020 --> 00:05:32,430hyperinflation at this time.Well, you can look at bitcoin is9000:05:32,430 --> 00:05:36,300basically a store of value thatwill fight hyperinflation, and9100:05:36,300 --> 00:05:39,570it's happening right in front ofus right now. And people say,9200:05:39,570 --> 00:05:42,690well, it's too volatile. No,it's not volatile. It's gone up9300:05:42,690 --> 00:05:47,790100% its lifespan for the last11 years in and I use the9400:05:47,790 --> 00:05:51,150comparison the same? Well, youwant to look at volatility. You9500:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,300know, I was in big tech, I wasin.com, boom days, I was9600:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,690younger, and I was in innovationat that time, and you don't9700:05:57,690 --> 00:06:01,530wanna talk volatility? How aboutAmazon crashing over 80%, over9800:06:01,860 --> 00:06:05,850nine times in its history that'svolatile. And you look at a9900:06:05,850 --> 00:06:08,550stock like Apple where youcouldn't even trade for it. It10000:06:08,550 --> 00:06:11,460was against the law inMassachusetts to buy Apple10100:06:11,460 --> 00:06:14,850stock. You know, you've lookedat the stock market, you look at10200:06:14,850 --> 00:06:18,600our financial systems andBitcoin, a lot of people don't10300:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,090understand it, because it gets abad rap. Because what they're10400:06:21,090 --> 00:06:23,790doing is they're doing aprohibition of really10500:06:23,790 --> 00:06:27,360understanding what Bitcoin is,because it is a decentralized10600:06:27,390 --> 00:06:31,230currency that has a store ofvalue that we've never seen in a10700:06:31,230 --> 00:06:35,400digital form. And, you know, youlook at my grandfather, he10800:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,760understood what Bitcoin was, hejust didn't have it. He10900:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,720understood what a store of valuewas. And he had that store value11000:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,540in his land. And the cattleitself11100:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,240goes on. It's really good.11200:06:49,080 --> 00:06:55,050Yeah. If I saw something in the,in the local papers about a11300:06:55,050 --> 00:06:58,560thing called the beefinitiative, food intelligence11400:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,560summit, I would go right. Yes,definitely. I would go.11500:07:02,010 --> 00:07:06,870Yeah, exactly. It was reallygood. And it's also I mean, it's11600:07:06,870 --> 00:07:10,140amazing how little people knowabout their food, just in11700:07:10,140 --> 00:07:13,920general. So it's a greateducational, you know, it's but11800:07:14,070 --> 00:07:17,310But it all comes down to valueand people who understand value11900:07:17,310 --> 00:07:20,910and you know, actually, valuefor value, he kind of borrowed12000:07:20,910 --> 00:07:24,630that and adopted that to thebeef initiative. And in turn, I12100:07:24,630 --> 00:07:27,420stole the New Internationallifestyle. I'm like this, I'm12200:07:27,420 --> 00:07:30,690taking that bitch, that's a goodone. Like that. And we become12300:07:30,690 --> 00:07:32,700really good friends. And I'vemet all these incredible12400:07:32,700 --> 00:07:35,490ranchers and their story. Imean, it's just, it's12500:07:35,490 --> 00:07:38,010phenomenal. You know, some ofthese people were stockbrokers,12600:07:38,010 --> 00:07:41,640boom, change, you know, 20 yearsago, 911, boom, done, go do12700:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,210something else, and then alsoheal themselves. And it's magic,12800:07:45,210 --> 00:07:51,000David's magic. But you know whoelse is magic? My new hero, my12900:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,040new hero. And I, I liked himfrom the get go the first time13000:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,720he showed up in the group. Whenwe hung out at podcast moving13100:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,410like, as guys cool, he's got alot going on in his brain. But13200:08:04,410 --> 00:08:09,210little did I know that he wassuch a troublemaker, and a man13300:08:09,210 --> 00:08:13,770after my own heart, in a verysubversive way. John Spurlock is13400:08:13,770 --> 00:08:18,690just he's the shit. JohnSpurlock has done something so13500:08:18,690 --> 00:08:27,030cool. The listening to pod landand God bless Todd, from13600:08:27,030 --> 00:08:34,530blueberry and in the new mediashow. He is so honest, and so13700:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,960open about his feelings and13800:08:38,519 --> 00:08:40,379his rattle off Todd. So Oh,yeah,13900:08:40,409 --> 00:08:46,259his response to OP three, theopen podcast prefix project was,14000:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,979I mean, it was just beautiful,because it showed me Yeah, it14100:08:49,979 --> 00:08:54,389the genesis of the podcastindustrial complex. It taught me14200:08:54,389 --> 00:08:57,899a lot about what they're dealingwith, or what they've dealt with14300:08:57,899 --> 00:09:05,789how captured it all is. And in away, it's funny, because I don't14400:09:05,789 --> 00:09:08,699know if you if you heard thewhole show, and I've I've heard14500:09:08,699 --> 00:09:13,379most of it at this point. Mostof it. Yeah. But I want to make14600:09:13,379 --> 00:09:16,529it clear that you know, this isJohn Spurlock put this together14700:09:16,529 --> 00:09:20,099this is not necessarilypodcasting. 2.0 is direction or14800:09:20,099 --> 00:09:24,359vision or, or we're gonna builda stat service or anything like14900:09:24,359 --> 00:09:29,969that. But it was it was thatinterpretation that really, like15000:09:29,969 --> 00:09:34,199holy crap, I had no idea thatthis is15100:09:34,230 --> 00:09:37,200this is what I loved hearingabout. Oh, yeah, the history15200:09:37,200 --> 00:09:37,380there.15300:09:37,410 --> 00:09:41,190Oh, yeah. And the back rooms andthe emotions and the months of15400:09:41,190 --> 00:09:44,220negotiating. And then at the endof the day, we you know,15500:09:44,220 --> 00:09:48,360everyone has to pay a $50,000membership fee to be in the club15600:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,520of the IAB. And by the way, I Ihave no problem with with with15700:09:53,550 --> 00:09:59,100IAB or anything if in case therewas ever any, any confusion. I15800:09:59,100 --> 00:10:01,080really don't know enough aboutAlright, I understand the15900:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,100concept. Now I know a lot more.Wow, this is great and that they16000:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,070everyone, you can have IABcertified numbers and still have16100:10:08,340 --> 00:10:12,150different numbers from podcasthost the podcast host. Well,16200:10:12,810 --> 00:10:19,380this is all of the the thewhitelist, the black lists, the16300:10:22,890 --> 00:10:28,170amazing what they have gonethrough in a closed system.16400:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,460Really it's been that must havebeen very painful to put that16500:10:32,460 --> 00:10:37,800together and it shows and Idon't know about you, but I got16600:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,340the feeling that even though Idon't think that's it's16700:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,340certainly not my plan. But youknow John Spurlock's plan, I16800:10:44,340 --> 00:10:47,310don't know, I don't know whatanyone's plan is. I don't really16900:10:47,310 --> 00:10:51,960care. But it felt like oh, waita minute, because even Cridland17000:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,570said, Well, you know, if theycan get some IAB certification,17100:10:54,750 --> 00:10:59,430I don't think it was set up withwith that in mind. This is just17200:10:59,430 --> 00:11:03,030a data service that, you know,you can muck around with. And if17300:11:03,030 --> 00:11:05,640you want, I guess you can puttogether stats package, you17400:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,250know, or something I did Imisinterpret what this thing is17500:11:08,250 --> 00:11:12,540for. is a platform fordevelopment, right? If someone17600:11:12,540 --> 00:11:16,380wants to create a stat servers,they can do some PRs and put17700:11:16,380 --> 00:11:19,920together a stat service. Is thatmy understanding? Is that17800:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,460correct?17900:11:23,370 --> 00:11:28,620I think, you know, I don't knowwhat's in Spurlock's head. I18000:11:28,620 --> 00:11:30,540know why I was excited about it.18100:11:33,029 --> 00:11:37,289Will Tell me what you wereexcited about. Were on the doll18200:11:37,289 --> 00:11:40,499that excites you. you point thatout?18300:11:40,799 --> 00:11:41,729Right in the front.18400:11:42,960 --> 00:11:43,710Row, right there.18500:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,100Right there. I don't like Idon't want the index, or18600:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,920podcasting 2.0 or anything likethat in the stats business.18700:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,269Oh, no more.18800:11:54,270 --> 00:11:58,770I don't think anybody reallywants that. I mean, that's, it's18900:11:58,770 --> 00:12:02,070just there's too much. It's tooicky. Nikki,19000:12:03,150 --> 00:12:05,520I'm not. I'm also not reallyinterested in it.19100:12:05,970 --> 00:12:09,990I don't care. I did homework, bythe way. I did. I did homework,19200:12:09,990 --> 00:12:12,120and I calculated every PM.19300:12:12,330 --> 00:12:15,630Well, thank you. I come up withabout 120. What did you come up19400:12:15,630 --> 00:12:15,900with?19500:12:17,640 --> 00:12:26,310I came up with, I can look himup with ad on one. But I think19600:12:26,490 --> 00:12:29,310and I'll tell you my methodologyin a minute. We can compare19700:12:29,310 --> 00:12:32,550methodology? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes.Yes. I'll show you mine. If you19800:12:32,550 --> 00:12:36,000show me your round the frontbaby. Read the front. The front.19900:12:36,420 --> 00:12:40,260I trust. As I want to say this,like, after listening to Todd. I20000:12:40,260 --> 00:12:44,490mean, I definitely. You know, weknow these guys from the hosting20100:12:44,490 --> 00:12:46,110companies and I trust20200:12:46,770 --> 00:12:49,920under yours. Yeah. I trust20300:12:49,919 --> 00:12:55,739their numbers. I don't like ifthere's any. I would never say20400:12:55,739 --> 00:13:00,899that. I don't trust the downloadstats from you know, blueberry,20500:13:01,289 --> 00:13:02,909or Buzzsprout. Or RSS.20600:13:02,909 --> 00:13:07,889Let me put it this way. I haveno distrust of what they're20700:13:07,889 --> 00:13:12,119doing. None. When it comes tolooking at my timeline of when20800:13:12,119 --> 00:13:15,779people were listening andstreaming SATs on the Saturn20900:13:16,019 --> 00:13:23,219stat board from Albea. I have100% confidence in that. Yes,21000:13:23,849 --> 00:13:25,439they will. Here's yourdifference.21100:13:26,309 --> 00:13:29,729I don't. So I don't think any ofthose. I don't think that any of21200:13:29,729 --> 00:13:34,379them are doing anything shady. Iknow that I be he's like he's he21300:13:34,379 --> 00:13:37,439mentioned he said, Well, youknow, Phil, like that in the21400:13:37,439 --> 00:13:42,8992.0. realm. There is generaldistrust of the I21500:13:44,070 --> 00:13:48,210know, this. I think total, notcaring. What does that word?21600:13:48,780 --> 00:13:50,880Not? lethargy.21700:13:53,309 --> 00:13:55,079There you go. Thank you. apathy.Sure.21800:13:55,500 --> 00:13:59,700Yeah. So there's apathy. Thatshould not be misinterpreted as21900:13:59,700 --> 00:14:03,840distrust, really. But there issomething there. And the22000:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,140something I think is what Toddhimself talked about, which is22100:14:07,560 --> 00:14:13,110he you know, he recounted how hewas shocked. That pod track was22200:14:13,110 --> 00:14:16,530able to get a B certificationbecause their numbers were so22300:14:16,530 --> 00:14:20,100different from his own. And heknows for a fact that his are22400:14:20,100 --> 00:14:20,670solid.22500:14:20,699 --> 00:14:23,279Yeah, I'm sure they are.22600:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,690That tells you that there's someand I'm not saying that that22700:14:27,690 --> 00:14:30,480doesn't anybody's doing anythingshady? Um, no, not at all22800:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,910guidelines. And the Denley areso loose.22900:14:32,970 --> 00:14:35,400Let's just put let's just let mejust put it out there. This is23000:14:35,430 --> 00:14:38,730this is how it felt. Withoutanyone saying it. This is just23100:14:38,730 --> 00:14:44,190my interpretation. I am 58 havebeen around for a bit. And Dave23200:14:44,190 --> 00:14:47,190and I have no real dog in thehunt, which is the beautiful23300:14:47,190 --> 00:14:50,430part about this project doesn'tmatter one way or the other. You23400:14:50,430 --> 00:14:51,120know, we're not gonna even23500:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,220even know how many down I didn'teven know how many downloads we23600:14:53,220 --> 00:14:54,990had until like, exactly. And23700:14:54,990 --> 00:14:58,530I didn't have an idea until youposted a screenshot I'm going23800:14:58,530 --> 00:15:03,570off of a screenshot here butthat's But the point is when23900:15:03,750 --> 00:15:08,430when this showed up, it's theresponse sell to me a little bit24000:15:08,430 --> 00:15:12,240like, hey, I really love thesepodcasting 2.0. Guys, I really24100:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,940love value for value, but whatwhat you're doing what will will24200:15:14,940 --> 00:15:17,280will will, will, will will what?Who Oh, what are you doing over24300:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,070there was that's what what'spumped the brakes, pump the24400:15:20,070 --> 00:15:23,430brakes to porno boys. That'swhat it felt like. So I want to24500:15:23,430 --> 00:15:27,690remove that fear because we haveno interest in the business of24600:15:27,690 --> 00:15:33,090stats or attribution or anythingabout that for me truly. I mean,24700:15:33,090 --> 00:15:36,150I can, I can see all kinds ofinteresting reasons for it. But24800:15:36,150 --> 00:15:39,300I just want to calculate a VPM.That's, and it doesn't matter24900:15:39,540 --> 00:15:43,080what the numbers are. They'rethe number. That's, that's just25000:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,230my number. And if that meansthere's bots in there, other25100:15:46,230 --> 00:15:49,320than that's my number plus bots,but it's still the number, I'm25200:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,720just going to use the samenumber, the and in fact, to25300:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,980prove it that I don't care. And,um, this is also an ask at the25400:15:55,980 --> 00:15:59,880same time, because if thisscrews up, it's a big pain in25500:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,660the ass. It hurts me in manyways. I just like to put the25600:16:03,660 --> 00:16:06,930next episode tomorrow asSunday's episode of no agenda, I25700:16:06,930 --> 00:16:10,290want to put that into the OPthree and see what pops up. I'm25800:16:10,290 --> 00:16:14,730interested. It may be it may be40,000, it may be 400,000 may be25900:16:14,730 --> 00:16:18,0004 million, I don't know, at thesame time that ever would26000:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,450divorce at first. I don't care,we don't care, we don't care. It26100:16:24,450 --> 00:16:27,420doesn't matter. It doesn'tmatter. The only it doesn't26200:16:27,420 --> 00:16:32,550matter. It's not going to changeour income. Right? That makes no26300:16:32,550 --> 00:16:37,830difference, it would be nice toknow. And no matter what it is,26400:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,380if I don't like it, I can saywell, you know, it's not a IIB26500:16:40,380 --> 00:16:44,460certified. So it's a piece ofSpurlock's little game over26600:16:44,460 --> 00:16:46,530there. It's not for real man, wecan't trust that shit.26700:16:46,860 --> 00:16:49,650You need to put it, you putdouble Asterix on it. And then26800:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,140down at the bottom of the page.The double asterisk says with26900:16:52,140 --> 00:16:52,770bots.27000:16:55,529 --> 00:16:59,759I'm very interested in just whatit is. I mean, it's the system27100:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,099solid enough? Because it wouldbe27200:17:02,789 --> 00:17:07,439better be I mean, like I would Iwould imagine. So. I would27300:17:07,439 --> 00:17:09,989imagine if you throw a million,you know, a million downloads on27400:17:09,989 --> 00:17:12,329it, it would it should be ableto handle it because they27500:17:12,329 --> 00:17:15,689handle, you know, 3000 timesthat on a regular basis.27600:17:15,750 --> 00:17:18,180But do you ever script where youcan go count it for me? Because27700:17:18,180 --> 00:17:19,320I don't have any tools?27800:17:19,620 --> 00:17:22,470Yeah, I got some stuff now whereI spent some estimate some time27900:17:22,470 --> 00:17:24,690this week writing some code onthat. And that's how that's how28000:17:24,690 --> 00:17:29,520I'm able to calculate our VPthat did to me that, like28100:17:29,550 --> 00:17:35,580the fact that we could be a bigshow that shows some, you know,28200:17:35,850 --> 00:17:39,390open numbers, open numbers,that's all it is just open28300:17:39,390 --> 00:17:42,930numbers. It's like, it's funny,you say that we'll just talk it28400:17:42,930 --> 00:17:50,610over with the vorak. We give theSEC, I'll just tell you the top28500:17:50,610 --> 00:17:57,99024 donations from Thursday'sshow, ranging from $1,000 to28600:17:58,020 --> 00:18:04,980200. And to 200. We read thesepeople's notes, we gave the28700:18:04,980 --> 00:18:09,930number, the amount. So anyonecan sit there and calculate what28800:18:09,930 --> 00:18:12,960we're making it. I'm proud ofthat. And I'm pretty sure that28900:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,350people who support the show,we're also proud of it. So I'm29000:18:16,350 --> 00:18:19,620very interested to see if mytheory and so we have different29100:18:19,620 --> 00:18:22,470numbers, I'd like to know whatnumbers you were working with my29200:18:22,470 --> 00:18:26,160theory of the VPM that it holdstrue that actually when you have29300:18:26,190 --> 00:18:30,600the smallest audience, when youwouldn't even qualify for29400:18:31,290 --> 00:18:38,730dynamic ad insertion, you wouldyou would have a much higher VPM29500:18:38,790 --> 00:18:43,170and you would also actually bemaking money right away. So I29600:18:43,170 --> 00:18:47,430came up with 120 because I thinkI saw a 1475 number of29700:18:47,430 --> 00:18:48,210downloads.29800:18:49,860 --> 00:18:52,500So I recalculated this morning,29900:18:52,530 --> 00:18:53,430okay, all right.30000:18:54,300 --> 00:18:59,010I calculated do we want to rundown do a runner. I was running30100:18:59,010 --> 00:18:59,250down30200:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,120let's go bring it down. Come on,man. Break it down.30300:19:04,020 --> 00:19:07,200This is by the way, this is allvery gross. And I don't like30400:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,050doing any of this any of thisstuff. This is30500:19:10,050 --> 00:19:12,720beautiful. This is a coolexercise. I don't30600:19:12,720 --> 00:19:19,230ever want to do it again. So Ihere's the numbers. I worked on30700:19:19,590 --> 00:19:27,270downloads, were 1514 Okay, forthen and let me tell you where30800:19:27,270 --> 00:19:35,040this number comes from. Well,number one 1514 downloads per30900:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,710episode we are on monetizablewhat's the I was31000:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,630quite monetizable.31100:19:39,960 --> 00:19:50,730So the I only counted unique IPhashes for a range or for rent31200:19:50,790 --> 00:19:56,880as one download for for rangerequests and get requests and31300:19:57,450 --> 00:20:03,420exclude it. So if somebody didIn 27 range requests from the31400:20:03,420 --> 00:20:06,810same IP hash. Kids just countedit as one.31500:20:07,050 --> 00:20:10,350Okay. All right. So already,you're putting in rules.31600:20:10,710 --> 00:20:11,340Yeah, yeah.31700:20:12,270 --> 00:20:15,150This is what this is the wholepoint we can make our own rules.31800:20:16,620 --> 00:20:20,730Or rules can be that we countBots as Yeah, exactly as extra31900:20:20,730 --> 00:20:21,720as bonus material.32000:20:22,380 --> 00:20:24,540I'm not, I don't have toconvince any advertiser with32100:20:24,540 --> 00:20:25,200these things.32200:20:25,799 --> 00:20:31,499So did the downloads. And thenI, and then I excluded any user32300:20:31,499 --> 00:20:38,579agents that were, you know, nota known app. So just known apps32400:20:39,239 --> 00:20:45,059with single counts per IP hash,which could be under counting or32500:20:45,059 --> 00:20:49,139over counting, who knows? 1514downloads.32600:20:49,260 --> 00:20:51,720Okay, so you took your 4% fromthat number32700:20:52,050 --> 00:20:55,740of episode 102. Now, I wentfurther than this. I know I dug32800:20:55,740 --> 00:21:03,390in deeper zaxy. So then, I wentflipped over to do the boosts32900:21:03,540 --> 00:21:08,820side of things, or to the to theSAT side boost. It figured out33000:21:09,330 --> 00:21:16,080with six, four, and I onlycounted episode 102 streams and33100:21:16,080 --> 00:21:24,120boosts in SATs. So this does notinclude streams and boosts that33200:21:24,120 --> 00:21:29,280we got for the episode when itwas live. This is only meant to33300:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,300match the download numbers.Check. Got it? Okay,33400:21:33,390 --> 00:21:38,670this is good. Oh, you. Why was Ieven wasting my time?33500:21:39,900 --> 00:21:50,820That comes out to 629,798 sads.From and that is from the that33600:21:50,820 --> 00:21:54,210includes streams and booths, howmuch they again, how much33700:21:54,570 --> 00:22:03,480629,798? Okay, so then I lookedat how many individual donors33800:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,510that represents because this isthe all this is in the TLV33900:22:06,510 --> 00:22:17,790record. individual donors uniquedonor names 89. So we had 151434000:22:17,790 --> 00:22:28,740downloads 629,798 SATs and 89individual boost string boost34100:22:28,740 --> 00:22:37,320slash streamers. That if youtake that 1500 14 downloads as34200:22:37,350 --> 00:22:42,870unique listens, which we knowit's there's a bits gonna be in34300:22:42,870 --> 00:22:47,070the ballpark, then you'retalking about 89 listeners34400:22:47,070 --> 00:22:53,820sending SATs back is 6%. So 66%of the people who downloaded the34500:22:53,820 --> 00:22:55,140episode. Ah.34600:22:57,180 --> 00:23:01,290Okay, so that's higher than thethan the 4%. So already a win34700:23:01,290 --> 00:23:03,060over the Fiat version.34800:23:03,450 --> 00:23:09,750Yes, yes. Now, if this is myunderstanding of your VPM34900:23:09,750 --> 00:23:15,090calculation, so I went throughthis, I say I took the 629,79835000:23:15,090 --> 00:23:19,830SATs and divided it by 15 114,which would have been the unique35100:23:19,830 --> 00:23:29,130lessons. And that came out to415.9 sets per download, which35200:23:29,160 --> 00:23:39,960would be 400 415,982 sets per1000 downloads in US dollars,35300:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,860and it comes out to $79 Z pm.35400:23:45,570 --> 00:23:49,140I like it. I think that I thinkyou had the you had all the35500:23:49,140 --> 00:23:52,320right data. I was doing it onvery, very broad numbers.35600:23:53,100 --> 00:23:59,520Yeah, we, if we drop it to 4%,if we say 4% VPN, with those35700:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,440same with that same rate, itcomes down to $53 VPN.35800:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,670Right. But we actually know thepercentage that's something35900:24:08,820 --> 00:24:12,060right that's that's always justkind of like a well, that was36000:24:12,060 --> 00:24:18,030not from download data. See withno with no agenda I have data on36100:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,440we have a rough number of ideasof what we have a rough idea of36200:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,870how many downloads we get, whichshould be interesting to see now36300:24:24,870 --> 00:24:29,310versus the last time that weaccidentally found out. You36400:24:29,310 --> 00:24:32,370found out you found out hey,look at that. How did that work36500:24:32,370 --> 00:24:33,000last time?36600:24:33,450 --> 00:24:36,150Well, it was through the imageart because you put in your36700:24:36,150 --> 00:24:39,870image artists, so it has to ithad to download that was back36800:24:39,870 --> 00:24:44,850with Apple podcasts and had todownload before they centralized36900:24:44,850 --> 00:24:49,560feed aggregation. So wheneveryou would put a new image into37000:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,860when we put it behind Cloudflarewe put the images behind37100:24:52,860 --> 00:24:57,630Cloudflare. And then so youwould get it would tell you how37200:24:57,630 --> 00:25:01,200many requests for that imagewere coming from Apple podcasts,37300:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,030individual apps. So then youcould take that and do the do37400:25:06,030 --> 00:25:08,550the math there and get roughly,you know, million listeners,37500:25:09,780 --> 00:25:11,580which I think it was at thetime. I think it's higher than37600:25:11,580 --> 00:25:13,920that now. But then, but thenthey missed that up when they37700:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,400went to decentralize. So nowindividual, the individual37800:25:17,490 --> 00:25:19,110mobile devices are downloading.37900:25:21,060 --> 00:25:23,850And then you were picking up thestats, because at that point,38000:25:23,850 --> 00:25:26,130somehow you had rigged it forme. So it was going through38100:25:26,130 --> 00:25:26,910Cloudflare.38200:25:27,690 --> 00:25:29,490Well, it was an accident becauseYeah,38300:25:29,970 --> 00:25:32,700exactly. That's the point Iwanted to get to. I was an38400:25:32,700 --> 00:25:33,480accident. Because38500:25:33,510 --> 00:25:38,160yeah, because we put your putyour show notes, aren't assets,38600:25:38,220 --> 00:25:42,750pardon the audio clip assetsonto a Linode and put it behind38700:25:42,750 --> 00:25:46,740Cloudflare to get the caching.And then you up, you always38800:25:46,770 --> 00:25:52,440uploaded the individual episodeart, to, to, you know, for each38900:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,220new show, you uploaded it to theasset server, which happened to39000:25:56,220 --> 00:25:58,620be behind Cloudflare. And thenwe started seeing those stats39100:25:58,620 --> 00:26:00,660backs again. And what39200:26:00,660 --> 00:26:01,740was the number you saw?39300:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,140Oh, no agenda. Yeah.39400:26:04,950 --> 00:26:08,130It was right. It was rightaround a million for over a39500:26:08,130 --> 00:26:09,090seven day period.39600:26:09,630 --> 00:26:12,600For so for an episode or thattwo episodes.39700:26:14,100 --> 00:26:19,170That was for like, the mostrecent couple of episodes. I39800:26:19,170 --> 00:26:21,840think that's, that's total,because there's always people39900:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,350that are behind and laggingbehind. Yeah, I think I think40000:26:25,350 --> 00:26:27,870that's it's been, it's been likea year and a half ago. So40100:26:28,980 --> 00:26:32,280it's really interesting, becausewe have Thursday numbers, and we40200:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,850have Sunday numbers. And youknow, that Sunday is always40300:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,640lower, which I think is logical,because people don't typically40400:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,770donate twice a week to a podcastmany do, obviously. But also40500:26:43,770 --> 00:26:46,380this rotates, you know, it'slike, people will not donate for40600:26:46,380 --> 00:26:49,680two months, and then they comeback. And so it's the overall40700:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,430percentage, the number of peoplewho we know actually don't know40800:26:53,460 --> 00:26:56,220what maybe we'll get somewherewith this. I'm very excited to40900:26:56,220 --> 00:26:57,750try this. I think it was just doit.41000:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,840Did it do the mp3 dot dev on41100:27:01,260 --> 00:27:04,620doing on Sunday's episode andsee what happens. Now, if people41200:27:04,620 --> 00:27:07,230can't get it? Or if it getsblocked or anything I'm gonna41300:27:07,230 --> 00:27:09,570be, you know, I'm going to beexcreted.41400:27:11,490 --> 00:27:14,880Maybe Spurlock can chime hecould verify, yeah, he41500:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,580could clarify if we're good togo, then I'll just do it.41600:27:17,850 --> 00:27:20,640Because that will be fun. Andyou have no agenda. I think it's41700:27:20,670 --> 00:27:24,540I'm proud to be a part of anopen and open project. Let's41800:27:24,540 --> 00:27:25,410learn something.41900:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,430And that was my that was mything is that, you know,42000:27:29,580 --> 00:27:35,250there's, there's clearly a,because because Rob on that on42100:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,490new media show seemed verybefuddled by the fact that we're42200:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,150while we were even42300:27:39,150 --> 00:27:42,180doing, and why are we eventalking about it was I think was42400:27:42,180 --> 00:27:43,650a bigger thing. Yeah. Yeah.42500:27:44,250 --> 00:27:48,420And, and I think, I think it'sbecause and we've talked about42600:27:48,420 --> 00:27:53,010this before, bringing the opensource mindset into podcasting.42700:27:53,250 --> 00:27:58,350There's friction, there. It'snot normal. People in podcasting42800:27:58,350 --> 00:28:03,750are not used to, or not used to.I don't want to I don't want to42900:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,300sound this. I don't want this tosound too broad, because I don't43000:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,510mean it that way. But I'm reallytalking a lot about money and43100:28:09,510 --> 00:28:15,690statistics. People within thepodcast industrial complex, are43200:28:15,690 --> 00:28:19,950not used to there being radicaltransparency around money in43300:28:19,950 --> 00:28:23,880statistics. Right? I don't ever,you know, I don't think that's a43400:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,720natural thing that everybody hasbecome accustomed to, is there43500:28:27,720 --> 00:28:34,710is friction here. But there'sclearly a is a set of people43600:28:35,700 --> 00:28:40,260that jumped on this veryquickly, us, James at pod news,43700:28:41,130 --> 00:28:46,890transistor, Justin, and Johnover transistor, David Mitas.43800:28:47,340 --> 00:28:50,490And there's a lot of people whoare going to jump on this early43900:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,380because it's fun.44000:28:52,470 --> 00:28:55,530As long as the transparencyYeah, it's fun.44100:28:55,860 --> 00:29:00,720The openness is, is a sort ofexhilarating thing like, like, I44200:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480mean, we talked about last week,I will end up putting this I'm44300:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,210going to consider that I don'thave to do math anymore. I'm44400:29:06,210 --> 00:29:10,260going to end up putting thatcode together. And just I'll44500:29:10,260 --> 00:29:12,990just push, I'll just make itpublic. I mean, Nord VPN will be44600:29:13,050 --> 00:29:16,650like, yeah, constantly updated.Yeah, of course. It's like, I44700:29:16,650 --> 00:29:19,350don't care people. I mean,people can listen to the show44800:29:19,350 --> 00:29:22,110and hear how much money we getto the show. Yeah, why the hell44900:29:22,110 --> 00:29:24,210did I care whether it's on awebsite or not? I mean, like,45000:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,420but I don't think people areused to that in it. No,45100:29:27,420 --> 00:29:31,650no, of course it does. But Iremember in the 15th and we're45200:29:31,650 --> 00:29:35,790coming up October 26 15 years noagenda almost coincides with45300:29:35,820 --> 00:29:40,470episode 1500. But I rememberearly on, you know, when people45400:29:40,470 --> 00:29:43,830like these guys, they're just ascam. It's a cult and making you45500:29:43,830 --> 00:29:47,010send your money. Like we'rereally powerful with MK Ultra45600:29:47,010 --> 00:29:52,920over here. You're and they wereI think it was like no agenda.45700:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,390numbers.com Let me see if itstill exists. No agenda45800:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,690numbers.com This guy was sopissed. Look and how much money45900:30:00,690 --> 00:30:04,710they're making. And no onecared. They were like, whatever.46000:30:05,070 --> 00:30:08,310It because it's a good showthat's like, yeah, I don't know46100:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,070if there's something's reallythis way we made this point with46200:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,670causality when John when JohncIgi was on the show, if it's a46300:30:14,670 --> 00:30:17,250really good show, I'm reallyhappy to hear that they're46400:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,590making a lot of money because itmeans they won't go away.46500:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,320Exactly.46600:30:23,970 --> 00:30:26,880Because the last thing you want,if you're really love a show, is46700:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,380for them to be struggling. Like,I don't want that. And46800:30:32,550 --> 00:30:36,840it's, I've been doing yourTina's has been very helpful for46900:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,420me this is, you know, she workedin nonprofits. So she47000:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,220understands a lot about gifting,donating and subsequently value47100:30:44,220 --> 00:30:46,950for value time, talent, treasureI got from her. I totally stole47200:30:46,950 --> 00:30:47,250that.47300:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,260Also, it's biblical. Yeah. Soit's47400:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,700very pastor, Pastor.47500:30:55,050 --> 00:30:57,750Yes, it was, it was funny,because I was talking to Texas47600:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,920slim. Yeah, he's, you know, Igave you his profile to me, you47700:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,850don't have your ask down yet.And it's very difficult for him.47800:31:06,690 --> 00:31:09,840Because this is not how he was alot of people, right. And so I47900:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840helped him with an analogy of abarn raising, and that works for48000:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,860him. But also I said, Man,you've seen so many pastors, you48100:31:16,860 --> 00:31:20,130know how the pastor seamlesslytransitions into the, hey, it's48200:31:20,130 --> 00:31:26,340time to pony up. You'll get thatway. But look at him. And it's48300:31:26,340 --> 00:31:29,220not about why you have to give,just look at the ease at which48400:31:29,220 --> 00:31:32,610the pastor transitions becausethe pastor is open and honest,48500:31:32,850 --> 00:31:36,150and is saying, we need thishelp. You're not saying God is48600:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,630mad, but if you don't pay him,he's, you know, he's, this is48700:31:39,630 --> 00:31:41,580for the church you're givingdoes this and you know, of48800:31:41,580 --> 00:31:43,980course, churches typically do alot of good things with with the48900:31:43,980 --> 00:31:47,340money. But it's it just look atthat. And that was very, very49000:31:47,340 --> 00:31:52,770helpful to him. But I guess thewhole point of value for value49100:31:52,770 --> 00:31:58,140is so opposite. I mean, even,it's funny, I look at it, and I49200:31:58,140 --> 00:32:00,000love where they're doing itfountain that and I think it's49300:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,720really creative. But when I seea list of who's making the most49400:32:03,750 --> 00:32:09,960Satoshis, it's like, that's,it's not so interesting. And I49500:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,570know it inspires a lot ofpeople, but personally, I'm49600:32:12,570 --> 00:32:16,560like, that doesn't reallymatter. You know, the list is,49700:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200you know, okay, whatever. It's alist. It's a list here, that49800:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,420could be another list overthere, and everyone can have a49900:32:21,420 --> 00:32:25,860list. People are so inspired bylists. But in reality, that's50000:32:25,860 --> 00:32:31,140not what makes doesn't makeanything flow. You know, our50100:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,900our, our board meeting, ourweekly board meeting, we talk50200:32:33,900 --> 00:32:38,460about the project. It's makingit flow, and we're surviving. I50300:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,940mean, so what do we do a monthwe do about 1800 a month total50400:32:41,970 --> 00:32:46,770with our with our very generous$500 A month Fiat donors.50500:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,860Yeah, if you add it all uptogether, it's just sounds about50600:32:49,860 --> 00:32:53,460right at 1800 2000 was somewherealong those lines? It50700:32:53,460 --> 00:32:54,120fluctuates.50800:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,870Yeah, sometimes it's lower.Sometimes it's 16 1614. Or 14 To50900:32:57,870 --> 00:33:03,000me, just depends on what's goingon. But like those. Those51000:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,720baseline PayPal donations, youknow, pay all the bills and then51100:33:06,930 --> 00:33:12,540the SATs are what fluctuates?Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Go ahead.51200:33:12,570 --> 00:33:16,590No, absolutely. Bottom line iswe get exactly what we deserve.51300:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,730This is what you get exactlywhat you deserve, what what we51400:33:20,730 --> 00:33:24,330put into it, we get out of it,what you put into it, or51500:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,090conversely, what you get out ofit, you want to put back into51600:33:27,090 --> 00:33:31,110it. It just it works. Anyway. SoI was gonna say, we've been51700:33:31,140 --> 00:33:35,040discussing all these differentreasons why people donate. And51800:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,920we've been asking people, I'vebeen talking to people, and I'd51900:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,050love to know why people supportpodcasting. 2.0 Because there's52000:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,810eight basic kind of, you know,you have to go into philosophy52100:33:45,810 --> 00:33:49,200for this. This is, you know,bunches, why is someone give52200:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080them besides, first of allpodcasting 2.0 value for value,52300:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,320we've removed almost allfriction, which is the beauty.52400:33:55,470 --> 00:33:58,320The beautiful thing is it's likeyou want to you want to support52500:33:58,350 --> 00:34:01,380boom, you're good to go rightthere. No, literally a button is52600:34:01,380 --> 00:34:03,930a button right there. I mean,that's, that's magic for it for52700:34:03,930 --> 00:34:07,860any anyone trying to raise moneyfor anything or, or or exchange52800:34:07,860 --> 00:34:14,190value. People do it for socialreasons. Now, this is your52900:34:14,190 --> 00:34:17,580feedback loop. So that makes alot of sense. People do it.53000:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,960There's really a top three, theone that I liked the least which53100:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,770is the most effective is what Ijust call the sad puppy roll. I53200:34:25,770 --> 00:34:30,960mean, it is true. If if no onesupports us, then the index goes53300:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,400away. I mean, it's that simple,and boohoo won't that suck. So53400:34:35,730 --> 00:34:42,870that is the most effective fromall types of nonprofits is you53500:34:42,870 --> 00:34:45,810know, it's like hey, if youdon't give money, these kids and53600:34:45,810 --> 00:34:48,090their families won't have aplace to stay could be you one53700:34:48,090 --> 00:34:49,260day and that's kind of53800:34:50,309 --> 00:34:54,839the the American who was at thekennel club or whatever the AKC53900:34:54,839 --> 00:34:58,109the what's the one with the petswhere it shows all the horrible54000:34:58,109 --> 00:34:59,429dogs being mistreated.54100:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,260St. Peter, whatever. Yeah,whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So there's54200:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,440that. But there's also well,that kind of flows into over to54300:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,550the other one, which is itresonates. So something about54400:35:11,550 --> 00:35:14,820the Ask something resonates withpeople, and they're motivated54500:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,710for their own reasons, whichcould be, oh, man, you know, I54600:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,110wish when I was a kid, there wasa resource where I could mess54700:35:22,110 --> 00:35:25,920around and develop an app. Andyou know, it could be any any54800:35:26,370 --> 00:35:30,120personal story. So these are themain the main reasons.54900:35:30,450 --> 00:35:32,910Well, cotton, Jen said itreminds me It reminds me of the55000:35:32,910 --> 00:35:34,62090s internet. That's why I loveit.55100:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,130Well, do you remember thisopenness? Do you remember55200:35:38,130 --> 00:35:41,100shareware? I mean, the idea wasright, but we didn't have the55300:35:41,100 --> 00:35:46,440mechanisms in place. sharewareinvolved you writing a check,55400:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,410putting it in an envelope andsending it to somebody, you55500:35:49,410 --> 00:35:54,450know, five bucks to say, thanks.I use your software, then. And a55600:35:54,450 --> 00:35:56,910lot of a lot of people did verywell with shareware.55700:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,550And now you talk about friction.Now that's some friction that's55800:35:59,550 --> 00:36:04,410bigger than the you know, yougotta go get a stamp. Again,55900:36:04,410 --> 00:36:07,050envelope you gotta read check. Imean, this. That's, that's56000:36:07,050 --> 00:36:10,410that's the biggest friction. Imean, I think that the56100:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,000rethinking of paradigms, justtalking about OPC.56200:36:15,810 --> 00:36:19,830Any sentence that starts with arethinking of paradigms is just56300:36:19,860 --> 00:36:20,610dynamite.56400:36:22,080 --> 00:36:28,260It's always valuable. We I mean,we may find, we may find it. I56500:36:28,260 --> 00:36:32,670don't know, we may find this sixmonths from now, that op three56600:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,900wasn't, didn't produce a lot ofvalue. You know, maybe it wasn't56700:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,970that big of a deal. I tend tothink that that's not going to56800:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,940be the case. But you know, wealways think that about the56900:36:47,940 --> 00:36:51,030stuff that we that we'reinvolved in excited about. But57000:36:51,090 --> 00:36:53,640you know, we may think this isnot may ultimately may prove to57100:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,460not be that that big of a deal.But that's what the mad57200:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,850scientist laboratory ofpodcasting. 2.0 is about? Yes,57300:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,290exactly. Without trying tofigure out crazy stuff, paradigm57400:37:04,290 --> 00:37:08,400breaking things that challenge,the challenge, what's already57500:37:08,430 --> 00:37:13,050been being done, and seeing ifit has any value? And if it57600:37:13,050 --> 00:37:16,230does, it'll bubble up. Yeah. Andthe cream rises to the top. If57700:37:16,230 --> 00:37:20,460it doesn't, it'll go, you know,it'll, it'll fall away. And, you57800:37:20,460 --> 00:37:21,240know, it may57900:37:22,500 --> 00:37:27,510like cross app comments. Stop, Ihave a thought I never thought58000:37:27,510 --> 00:37:30,660about that. I don't want tointerrupt your flow, just58100:37:33,060 --> 00:37:37,050so that, you know, it's thevisibility. And to me, the power58200:37:37,050 --> 00:37:39,960of the the thing that got meexcited, the most about op58300:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,240three, is the visibility outsideof the bubble. Is Yeah, is58400:37:45,240 --> 00:37:51,420having the numbers show upoutside of, you know, your58500:37:51,420 --> 00:37:56,640hosting dashboard, or whatever.Because then you can do things58600:37:56,760 --> 00:38:03,510like, as well, let me back upfor a second. We know, or at58700:38:03,510 --> 00:38:06,570least I hope we know. And I'mthe I'm using the weed to58800:38:06,570 --> 00:38:13,290include everybody. I hope we allknow that. On a long enough time58900:38:13,290 --> 00:38:18,900scale IP, IP addresses, as asource of information of59000:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,540reliable information aboutthings that are going on is59100:38:21,540 --> 00:38:22,920probably going to go away.59200:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,270Yeah, I would say so.59300:38:25,619 --> 00:38:28,619I mean, we've already you know,we've begun to see the very the59400:38:28,619 --> 00:38:33,809the the infancy of this withApple private relay, and that59500:38:33,809 --> 00:38:40,109kind of thing. Tail scale. Yeah,exit nodes. Tore, every, there59600:38:40,109 --> 00:38:46,829is a lot, there's a ton of, ofmental pressure being applied59700:38:47,249 --> 00:38:53,219across the open source world andnot in and the proprietary world59800:38:53,219 --> 00:38:57,059as well, with privacy, caringpeople. There's a lot of mental59900:38:57,059 --> 00:39:02,519pressure being applied to how toget rid of IP addresses as a60000:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,229source of yucky informationabout people. And that's going60100:39:07,229 --> 00:39:14,039to happen. So to me, the what Icare mostly about op three is60200:39:14,039 --> 00:39:18,779not just a retread of what hasalready been done. Even though I60300:39:18,779 --> 00:39:21,299think it's valuable to havenumbers in the open. I mean,60400:39:21,299 --> 00:39:26,759that's what we're about. Butcombining it with the ULI D, to60500:39:26,759 --> 00:39:32,639me, that is the ultimate goal.That that is the that is the60600:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,379ultimate goal. Ul ID again, isthat's how that's where you60700:39:37,799 --> 00:39:42,029create a random number. Your appcreates a random number applies60800:39:42,029 --> 00:39:45,479it to this episode. And anytimeyou listen to that episode,60900:39:45,479 --> 00:39:45,809right,61000:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,900then it attaches. Yeah. Right.So then we know that that's you61100:39:48,900 --> 00:39:49,650picking it up.61200:39:49,950 --> 00:39:53,070Yeah, we you know that everyunique UL ID is a unique list.61300:39:53,310 --> 00:39:53,580Right.61400:39:53,580 --> 00:39:58,560So So what this does, is itinspires app developers to add61500:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,980stuff like that add to theecosystem so we have more fun.61600:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,730Yeah, right. Yes. This is thesandbox.61700:40:05,790 --> 00:40:11,670Yeah. Can you is? Is this is OPthree, does it? Is there a61800:40:11,670 --> 00:40:21,480benefit with IPFS? I don't know.When not interesting because one61900:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,650of the main problems thatCameron has told me about IPFS62000:40:25,650 --> 00:40:31,470podcasting is if you go fullIPFS protocol, IP address colon,62100:40:31,710 --> 00:40:36,690slash slash instead of an exitnode of the you lose all kind of62200:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,770trackability. Yeah, which makessense, which makes sense. So you62300:40:40,770 --> 00:40:43,650can't you can't do stats rightnow. He has download stats,62400:40:43,650 --> 00:40:47,640which he gets from the networksomehow. But if if you could use62500:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,100this with IPFS with theprotocol,62600:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,540that's an interesting thing,because if you like my firt,62700:40:54,540 --> 00:40:58,410your first your first instinctwould be to say, Okay, we'll put62800:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,880it through a redirect. Yeah. OPIthree redirect and then somehow62900:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,860bounce it to IPFS born I'mhanded63000:41:04,860 --> 00:41:06,210IPFS redirect.63100:41:07,110 --> 00:41:09,090Who and IPFS redirector. Yeah,63200:41:10,170 --> 00:41:15,960that's what I'm talking about.Same idea for IPFS Oh, man, I63300:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,850love it when your brain startscranking.63400:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,490The you know, the other thing Inoticed was about the CPM VPN63500:41:26,490 --> 00:41:31,620thing is if you look at so Ipulled up advertised casts page63600:41:31,650 --> 00:41:36,390about and they give the latestCPM rates. And their little63700:41:36,390 --> 00:41:43,680chart here. Little chart showsone, it's got three, three rows,63800:41:43,740 --> 00:41:50,160and it says this verse 62nd, adCPN. Between 1009 between63900:41:50,160 --> 00:41:58,5001009 1999 listeners is $26 CPM.Hmm. Interest between64000:41:58,530 --> 00:42:08,22010,090 9999 is 24 CPM. Oh, yeah.And 100,000 plus is $20. CPM.64100:42:08,970 --> 00:42:10,080What is this? fuckery.64200:42:10,830 --> 00:42:14,430So your CPM goes down, the morethe more successful you are,64300:42:14,430 --> 00:42:16,800what is this one? The moredownloads you have? Does that64400:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,050make sense? I don't know.Generally, but be just one CPM.64500:42:22,800 --> 00:42:22,950You64600:42:22,950 --> 00:42:27,180know what the debt you know whatthe doesn't go down? VPN.64700:42:28,650 --> 00:42:32,490No VPN does go down, the largerit has to go down, the larger64800:42:32,490 --> 00:42:33,420your show is64900:42:33,570 --> 00:42:39,3604% is 4% 4% of a million is fouris65000:42:39,390 --> 00:42:42,270right. You know, you know whatwe're gonna find out. So,65100:42:42,450 --> 00:42:45,630alright. Okay, so I love this.So no agenda when I say it's65200:42:45,630 --> 00:42:51,510like 30.1 or something? 30.5.But I don't but that's my old65300:42:51,510 --> 00:42:56,310calculation. So I'll be veryvery curious to see. Now Now we65400:42:56,310 --> 00:42:59,100can't do it one for oneactually, because we don't have65500:42:59,100 --> 00:43:03,360any any Bookstagram data. Weonly have Pay Pal data. But you65600:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,580know what? Let's just do it.Let's just see what happens with65700:43:05,580 --> 00:43:08,640an episode of the numbers itselfand we'll check it out.65800:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,639I will provide I will providethe numbers to the to the65900:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,389shield. On op three. No, no, no,don't66000:43:15,390 --> 00:43:23,040give any dough. No, no. No, no,no, don't don't involve anybody.66100:43:23,730 --> 00:43:26,040Okay, this is supposed to be onthe Qt66200:43:26,070 --> 00:43:29,910bro. Okay, I will not providethe numbers to anybody.66300:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,280No to me. Just tell me whatnumbers you see.66400:43:32,820 --> 00:43:36,810I will I will get I will. I willsend I will send one episode66500:43:36,810 --> 00:43:38,970and one episode only. I don'twant to get burned. I don't want66600:43:38,970 --> 00:43:41,670to get caught everybodylistening. Don't be a narc.66700:43:41,700 --> 00:43:42,870Don't be a narc.66800:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,510I will send you a paperairplane. With the numbers66900:43:48,510 --> 00:43:50,160tucked discreetly. Yes.Interesting.67000:43:50,190 --> 00:43:52,920Wow, man. The chat room was apunk. I'm a punk rocker here67100:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,490this is come on man. 2.0 waspunk rock GABA GABA. Hey, okay.67200:43:56,970 --> 00:44:01,350Let's do it. So cross crosscross app comments I have on my67300:44:01,350 --> 00:44:04,410list, because you're absolutelyright is one of those things.67400:44:04,410 --> 00:44:08,850It's just not. It's not working.It's not we don't have the spark67500:44:09,330 --> 00:44:15,660in and I'll be honest, that whenI look at comments that are67600:44:15,660 --> 00:44:19,350working, that could be cross apptoday. I have to say the67700:44:19,350 --> 00:44:25,440lightning comments work. Yeah, Iwas not a fan of it. And I'm67800:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,350still not a fan of it. But Iwould rather have active people67900:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,410using Lightning comments,because what I see in Fountain68000:44:34,410 --> 00:44:41,490is impressive. Now it's itscrews up my my a helipad with68100:44:41,490 --> 00:44:45,120all kinds of little things. Butthat's also kind of cool because68200:44:45,180 --> 00:44:48,120Oh, someone's commenting overthere. Then I'll pop over open68300:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,580up the app. I'll go in I'll I'llreply. Maybe I'll give someone a68400:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,150little boost there. It's a verypleasurable way of interacting68500:44:57,150 --> 00:45:03,660with the audience in a in an appit would be nice if it could be68600:45:03,660 --> 00:45:07,920cross app and it seems likethat's the easy part. So I'm68700:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,410just identifying somethingthat's working I'm not saying we68800:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,620all have to do that I'm justthrowing it out there as I'm I68900:45:13,620 --> 00:45:17,910am willing if there's enoughsteam to capitulate on this one69000:45:19,530 --> 00:45:22,680I it's sad to me because we havesuch great infrastructure but69100:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,170why is no one picking it up?What is happening?69200:45:25,829 --> 00:45:29,669I have thoughts okay. The Ithink69300:45:29,669 --> 00:45:32,339I'm not set in stone by the waythis is not I'm just throwing it69400:45:32,339 --> 00:45:33,239out there as usual.69500:45:33,989 --> 00:45:36,929I think the reason why fountaincome while the lightning69600:45:36,929 --> 00:45:41,819comments are showing activity isnot because I think it's purely69700:45:41,819 --> 00:45:47,669because fountain gives monetaryincentive for that to be the69800:45:47,669 --> 00:45:52,889case. So they pay they pay youfor listening and comment and69900:45:52,889 --> 00:45:53,519boosting70000:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,539I'm not so sure when it comes tothe commenting but I have no70100:45:57,539 --> 00:45:58,079data70200:45:59,969 --> 00:46:02,939okay, that's that's myunderstanding of it and then on70300:46:02,939 --> 00:46:07,319the on the flip side my theseare my these my initial first70400:46:07,319 --> 00:46:08,909thoughts I didn't know you'regoing in this direction so I70500:46:08,909 --> 00:46:16,019hadn't in my thought on the flipside is the reason people are70600:46:16,019 --> 00:46:25,139not commenting on on nonlightning is because nobody70700:46:25,139 --> 00:46:30,239gives a crap about commentinggenerally speaking. And that is70800:46:30,719 --> 00:46:37,979ended the comments that we seeabout podcasts on thing things70900:46:37,979 --> 00:46:40,649like Apple podcast reviews, ifyou want to call those a comment71000:46:40,649 --> 00:46:43,739for the purpose of thisdiscussion discussion are mostly71100:46:43,739 --> 00:46:49,049because people beg them to do itin the show. Hey, Gil gives it71200:46:49,289 --> 00:46:51,389gives a review. It helps71300:46:51,540 --> 00:46:55,350in I'm with you on that but Iguess my point is, we have71400:46:55,350 --> 00:46:59,250people commenting on thesecomment threads that we put as71500:46:59,250 --> 00:47:03,450our because our base post inpodcasting 2.0 I do it I know71600:47:03,450 --> 00:47:07,320agenda. There's lots of commentsin there. They don't serve us on71700:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,250any app. People are just on themastodon commenting back and71800:47:11,250 --> 00:47:15,000forth. No one's even suckingthat in and displaying it via71900:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,210pod72000:47:15,210 --> 00:47:21,480versus. And pod friend. Thoseare the two apps currently pod72100:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,950verse pod verse shows the crossapp comments every show, you can72200:47:25,950 --> 00:47:29,670go and expand them on the on onthe website and and in the app72300:47:29,670 --> 00:47:29,910to.72400:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,860Okay, because I've really gotteninto the pod verse app, so I'm72500:47:34,860 --> 00:47:37,200surprised that I that I didn'tsee that.72600:47:37,829 --> 00:47:40,409It's, I don't remember where itis72700:47:40,410 --> 00:47:44,070on it right here. I'm gonna see.Okay, so you don't ever get to72800:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,980swiped or you got to swallowswipe.72900:47:48,630 --> 00:47:51,240Maybe you can swipe left orsomething.73000:47:51,240 --> 00:47:52,470That's if I don't like it.73100:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,900Stop, stop. Okay. Chapterchapters, clips, comments. I73200:48:03,900 --> 00:48:07,680know where it is. I apologize. Iapologize. Okay. Yeah. So that73300:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,520so the obvious, yeah. Okay. Sothis is great. I like how it's73400:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,160done. And like how it'simplemented. I can't add to the73500:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,320thread. So all it would takewould be reply. Post, you know,73600:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,030so it hasn't been? I mean, itleaves the pod verse app if you73700:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,210tap on it. So that's somethingit takes it to the to the to the73800:48:27,210 --> 00:48:31,470core post. That's totallyappreciated. We're so close yet.73900:48:31,470 --> 00:48:32,160We're not there.74000:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,679Yeah, because it's hard.74100:48:34,980 --> 00:48:38,430I know. It's hard. I'm just justsaying, okay, hold on. I'm in74200:48:38,430 --> 00:48:44,400prime and I'm impressed with PODverse overall. And I want to say74300:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,730that I think it was amisunderstanding. It's a74400:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,960technology early technologychoice player issue is why pod74500:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,760versus not doing per minutestreaming SATs yet. James had74600:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,180some questions about that. And Ithink that's in the works. It's74700:49:00,180 --> 00:49:03,390not it's not because Mitch hasdecided that's just a sheet74800:49:03,390 --> 00:49:03,960idea.74900:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,610No, he's not he has not madethat.75000:49:09,150 --> 00:49:12,630Oh, and I do have to give Jamesprops because he said something75100:49:12,630 --> 00:49:14,970very appropriate, which we doneed to talk about briefly75200:49:14,970 --> 00:49:19,020because we're gonna talk aboutmusic as well. Okay. I agree75300:49:19,020 --> 00:49:23,940completely on legality. So ifRSS blue or anyone else is75400:49:23,940 --> 00:49:30,030offering music uploads to beflagged as music in the podcast75500:49:30,030 --> 00:49:35,040index, and we hope you have anupdate on that. I agree that's a75600:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,050very very dangerous thing to dosee Spotify, who have just75700:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,710opened up you know pirating ofmovies to their to their video75800:49:43,710 --> 00:49:46,290service. I mean, it's who wouldhave thought that would happen.75900:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,730And the better idea is, youknow, SoundCloud, they already76000:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,580their members are alreadyscreened and cleared and76100:49:56,580 --> 00:50:00,660there's, we know who has rightsand registrations any existing76200:50:00,660 --> 00:50:05,370music service that knows how todo that is a better bet than,76300:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,270you know, stepping into it. Justlike, Oh, this is cool and doing76400:50:09,270 --> 00:50:12,060it because you're gonna getburned, you're probably gonna76500:50:12,060 --> 00:50:15,360get burned. It's just gonna suckfor you. It's gonna be a lot of76600:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,060work. Unless that's yourbusiness plan and then you know,76700:50:18,090 --> 00:50:22,230we will support you 100% Butit's very is very, very76800:50:22,950 --> 00:50:25,470dangerous venture to do that.76900:50:26,099 --> 00:50:28,889I'll get questions about this.This is good, good discussion,77000:50:28,889 --> 00:50:34,589because where I'm at right nowis I've got the downloader77100:50:34,589 --> 00:50:40,469working, that is downloading,it's slurping down. enclosures.77200:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,890Yes. What's it called again?slurpy slurpy, right. Yes, I77300:50:43,890 --> 00:50:45,000love your names.77400:50:45,330 --> 00:50:51,810It is it is slurping downenclosures. It's apt to produce77500:50:51,810 --> 00:50:56,640like, get about 100 It's donelike 180,000 so far. enclosures.77600:50:57,750 --> 00:51:01,650It's about a day and a half Imean a terabyte and a half of77700:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,520them all down77800:51:02,550 --> 00:51:04,470it's actually downloading themall locally.77900:51:04,619 --> 00:51:08,159Yeah, yes. That's right. It's soit's going through the with the78000:51:08,309 --> 00:51:13,679latest weekly data, massive dumpand downloading the last78100:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,079enclosure of each podcast78200:51:17,460 --> 00:51:20,190Are you downloading the entirepodcast universe? I don't78300:51:20,190 --> 00:51:22,770understand I just sayingdownload everything.78400:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,260Not entirely about half of theentire podcast universe. So78500:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,410anchor is excluded because theydon't allow music by policy.78600:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,520Right? They only allow Top Gunand other brand new movies,78700:51:35,670 --> 00:51:39,510movies. Yeah, but don't piratemusic.78800:51:40,050 --> 00:51:46,110Yeah. So they don't allow music.So we exclude them that takes78900:51:46,260 --> 00:51:50,040you know, half the index awayalmost on automatically. Not79000:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,080half but about a third. The takeaway Librivox just it's and79100:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,420other ones that are just likeclearly they're not going to79200:51:57,420 --> 00:52:01,110have any music at all. So youtake that all that away then you79300:52:01,110 --> 00:52:07,620also filter out anything that isjust an arbitrary limit of two79400:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,650hours or less is still I stillalive I'm79500:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,370kidding. You do that with a headwith a head or get request or79600:52:14,370 --> 00:52:16,860something ahead request just tosee the file length79700:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,010now just looking at the durationbecause the duration duration of79800:52:20,010 --> 00:52:23,130course is in there you alreadyhave the duration to the79900:52:23,130 --> 00:52:24,420download to the massive dump80000:52:24,449 --> 00:52:27,599we aren't we already have thatwe already have the don't we80100:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,639have duration data already foreverything?80200:52:30,210 --> 00:52:34,830Yeah. Yep some of the older someof the really really early stuff80300:52:35,070 --> 00:52:37,800in duration is messed up itdumps80400:52:38,130 --> 00:52:42,000they call them dumps big massivedumps said so many times I had80500:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,060to80600:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,789Yeah, so as I was triggering youknow80700:52:45,900 --> 00:52:46,890I was late actually80800:52:47,610 --> 00:52:52,500yes you were late so the thefiltering out some of that stuff80900:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,170and I don't remember how many itcame back with but it's81000:52:55,170 --> 00:52:59,520downloading a mall is one at atime. Excuse me known to 2023 at81100:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,060a time that's concurrent that'swhat Slurpees forest down81200:53:03,060 --> 00:53:06,360leaving give it a number ofthings to download how many you81300:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,540want81400:53:07,620 --> 00:53:11,760we upgraded an extra $80 a monthfor for the head done that yet.81500:53:12,420 --> 00:53:14,100Oh, that's for actual business.81600:53:14,549 --> 00:53:18,119That's a real business or realpodcast. This is just on my81700:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,179local computers. Jim, aka Peteron doing this. This is not even81800:53:21,179 --> 00:53:23,459this is not on us. Oh good doingthis from my house. How81900:53:23,460 --> 00:53:24,750big is your hard drive?82000:53:25,710 --> 00:53:28,410I've got it hooked up to a fourterabyte drive. Okay, an82100:53:28,410 --> 00:53:34,200external drive. Nice, sweet. Sothen we scuzzy drive is not a82200:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,990scuzzy drive with frozen gardenhose is not that I82300:53:36,989 --> 00:53:40,649love that shit. Connect thosewere the clips.82400:53:41,190 --> 00:53:46,050With you remember? LVM it wasthe real thing when the No, it82500:53:46,050 --> 00:53:50,580was like scuzzy three I think Iremember Apple talk. With82600:53:50,580 --> 00:53:51,990terminators, you have to useterminators,82700:53:51,990 --> 00:53:53,640no Terminator. No, no joy.82800:53:54,030 --> 00:54:00,930Yeah, the whole network goesdown wouldn't work. So the it's82900:54:00,930 --> 00:54:04,260downloaded a bunch of stuff.It's downloaded. It's, it's83000:54:04,260 --> 00:54:08,430downloaded a ton. And thenthere's this Python script that83100:54:08,430 --> 00:54:13,050Alex has helped me tweak aroundon that will that actually does83200:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,850the analysis that looks and telland looks at whether or not this83300:54:17,850 --> 00:54:24,150is speech or music. Now, it's,it's not. It's not 100%? It's83400:54:24,150 --> 00:54:30,030not even close. But in and I'lltell you that the times that it83500:54:30,030 --> 00:54:33,120gets confused as when there'ssomebody with a bed of music83600:54:33,120 --> 00:54:33,780behind them,83700:54:34,650 --> 00:54:37,440right, that's where it fallsapart. Sure. And83800:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,680there's actually a lot of thosewhere it'll be 45 minute episode83900:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,080of somebody talking and there'sa bed behind him the entire84000:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,140time and PR. Yeah,84100:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,660there's some of that. There'salso, if the audio is crappy84200:54:51,660 --> 00:54:55,950enough. I think it gives usenough background84300:54:56,219 --> 00:54:57,929to make it sound like it's asong84400:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,150to make the waveform look likeis music? Yeah, yeah. Wow. It's84500:55:03,330 --> 00:55:05,940like I think it's just thebackground noise makes it look84600:55:05,940 --> 00:55:07,590like it's continuous ways.84700:55:07,949 --> 00:55:12,299No, this is what you need toremember Paul, you toy used to84800:55:12,299 --> 00:55:16,679tell us how sphinx was beingused in the Philippines, they84900:55:16,679 --> 00:55:22,019will be used to train AI andmachine learning. So that show,85000:55:22,049 --> 00:55:24,839you know, you'd get your showpicture and say, Is there a dog85100:55:24,839 --> 00:55:28,289in this picture? Yes or no boom,you answer and then you get 1085200:55:28,289 --> 00:55:32,069sets. Next picture. So when youdon't want to do that, yeah, we85300:55:32,069 --> 00:55:35,279have a version for that forthis, like, Is this a real song?85400:55:35,969 --> 00:55:36,749Yes, no,85500:55:37,380 --> 00:55:43,320I want to do that, like, so whatis doing is the python script is85600:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,380running the analysis, using theGPU or the video card, running85700:55:49,380 --> 00:55:55,110the analysis. And then if itthinks that is, if it thinks is85800:55:55,110 --> 00:55:59,700there, there's an 80% or higherlikelihood that it's music. It85900:55:59,700 --> 00:56:03,630we'll just create an empty filewith the name of the podcast86000:56:03,630 --> 00:56:06,420index ID in a directory.86100:56:06,630 --> 00:56:09,750Okay, so then hold music, right?So then you can go in and86200:56:09,900 --> 00:56:10,920retrieve that,86300:56:11,369 --> 00:56:14,129right? So when it's all said anddone, we should have a big long86400:56:14,129 --> 00:56:22,739list of, of all of the episodesof all of the podcast IDs that86500:56:22,739 --> 00:56:27,809it thinks are music, podcasts,then we can wrap that up into86600:56:28,769 --> 00:56:33,959some sort of, you know, scriptor something. And then we can86700:56:33,959 --> 00:56:38,099crowdsource it, to say to havepeople actually listen to it,86800:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,809and say if it is indeed music,or just a false alarm. So the86900:56:42,839 --> 00:56:51,329out of 46,997 podcast that ithas analyzed for. It thinks 80487000:56:51,329 --> 00:56:52,889of those are music podcasts.87100:56:53,039 --> 00:56:54,779So that's about 6%.87200:56:55,530 --> 00:56:57,330Is it? Is that what that is? No,I87300:56:57,330 --> 00:57:01,800have no idea. I'm just throwingthat out there as you like to87400:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,730sound convincing.87500:57:03,930 --> 00:57:04,650You did math.87600:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,760I'm just throwing a number out.See if you had done the math.87700:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,300No. Like holy crap. Let's see.Four divided by can't even87800:57:15,300 --> 00:57:19,860give you the stats, the dollaramount. I can think in dollars87900:57:19,890 --> 00:57:20,850most of the time.88000:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,979Looks like this. Alright. 2%That's, that's pretty Yeah.88100:57:26,039 --> 00:57:27,599Okay, well 1.7% All88200:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,000right. So what's the next stepin the procedure once once88300:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,290you've once Slurpee has done itsjob then what?88400:57:37,830 --> 00:57:43,110Well here here's an example andhere's an example track so if88500:57:43,110 --> 00:57:49,470you go to podcast index ID youknow 44955 And there's a little88600:57:49,470 --> 00:57:52,620bit I put a in the clips todayif you got my clips I forgot.88700:57:52,740 --> 00:57:55,650Oh, yes. Thank you got anexample tracking Oh, here we go.88800:57:58,889 --> 00:58:06,509Wow. Yeah. Sounds good. You knowwhat that sounds like? Wow. Oh,88900:58:06,509 --> 00:58:10,889my wife. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, no,I gotta do it.89000:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,560You love the wife I've had lovedthe89100:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,990Hawaii Five o thing where's myHawaii Five89200:58:15,990 --> 00:58:18,690Oh, you don't have it on a padon the road test.89300:58:19,020 --> 00:58:20,550I'm bad I'm not that bad here89400:58:40,110 --> 00:58:42,390Okay, so that's that's a jamright there.89500:58:42,630 --> 00:58:46,950It is a found that on that isfrom that is on PodOmatic89600:58:47,070 --> 00:58:50,430hosting company and it is from2013. So it's been there for89700:58:50,430 --> 00:58:51,720nine years and this is89800:58:52,380 --> 00:58:56,580why we should have done thatproperly. Yeah, that's the89900:58:56,580 --> 00:58:58,440crusher from Briana Roy.90000:59:02,790 --> 00:59:06,54053 second track. And there'sthree tracks on this podcast and90100:59:06,540 --> 00:59:10,710they're all of this. They're alllike this. It's an EP. It is90200:59:10,740 --> 00:59:11,550it's an EP No,90300:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,020no dynamite good find flip thebit make it music.90400:59:17,250 --> 00:59:23,400Brianna. We need to find Briannagive her a split. Yes. For him.90500:59:23,430 --> 00:59:28,830So I don't know where he gothim. them they didn't they so so90600:59:28,830 --> 00:59:33,480here's the here's the kosherpart. Like if they here's this90700:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,270thing that's been out in the inthe universe for nine years90800:59:36,420 --> 00:59:37,500publicly on the internet.90900:59:38,699 --> 00:59:40,349Yeah. How about91000:59:41,219 --> 00:59:45,869Yeah, right. There's, it seemsto be just some original dubstep91100:59:45,869 --> 00:59:46,349something.91200:59:46,380 --> 00:59:47,400It's a jam. I'm like,91300:59:49,170 --> 00:59:52,560well, there's no iTunes ownertag. I have no idea how to get91400:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,750in touch with Brianna. Rihanna,Roy. Have you know podcast rise91500:59:57,750 --> 01:00:01,170and who have not Google forBrianna.91601:00:01,650 --> 01:00:05,700Is there no link in the in theRSS feed? It just91701:00:05,700 --> 01:00:09,330links back to the PodOmatic pageand doesn't link to a personal91801:00:09,330 --> 01:00:15,450side of anything. There's nopodcast license tag91901:00:15,449 --> 01:00:19,559or Rihanna ROI YouTube. Oh,there you go. Let's see brand.92001:00:19,589 --> 01:00:22,649Let's see. Do you think thatcan't be the same? Brianna Roy,92101:00:23,670 --> 01:00:25,140you take LinkedIn92201:00:26,849 --> 01:00:30,419that's DeVore X jam and that'snot me. Let's see. This. I don't92301:00:30,419 --> 01:00:32,129think this is the same BriannaRoy.92401:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,369Does she do dubstep on Twitch?92501:00:37,770 --> 01:00:43,620Go good. I am that. That may beno I don't think so. Now.92601:00:44,940 --> 01:00:45,600Dubstep. Is92701:00:45,630 --> 01:00:47,340there any lyrics with thatthing?92801:00:47,670 --> 01:00:48,780No. Okay, well,92901:00:48,780 --> 01:00:49,920she she's a singer.93001:00:50,610 --> 01:00:55,080Oh, boy. Don't maybe sheupgraded. Doubt it.93101:00:57,060 --> 01:01:01,050So, so what will so here's thequestion Where what are we left93201:01:01,050 --> 01:01:09,990with with Brianna's tracks? Arethey? If there's like what what93301:01:09,990 --> 01:01:13,590legal status? If we want to ifwe want to take this and drop it93401:01:13,590 --> 01:01:19,020in as in the show mix? What arewhat is that going to do? Like93501:01:19,020 --> 01:01:20,190what how does that work?93601:01:20,220 --> 01:01:24,930Right now we have no idea. Wereally couldn't do it because we93701:01:25,050 --> 01:01:27,810legally you can't do it becausewe have no idea who owns the93801:01:27,810 --> 01:01:31,530royalties rights, etc. If, ifshe would claim this and say93901:01:31,530 --> 01:01:34,770yep, this is mine. This is myfeed. And I warrant that this is94001:01:34,770 --> 01:01:39,780my stuff. And here's my split. Iwould say at the one hour and94101:01:39,780 --> 01:01:43,800two or one hour and one minutemark, there would be a split94201:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,700there which would send off asignificant portion of the show94301:01:47,700 --> 01:01:52,830to Briana Roy's wallet. That'swhat I'm that's what I envision.94401:01:54,270 --> 01:01:56,430Yeah, like split in the chaptermaybe?94501:01:56,639 --> 01:01:59,159Yeah, I mean, we haven't quitefigured it out. But that's the94601:01:59,159 --> 01:02:03,179dream. Right now. We we need tofind Brianna Roy. That's the94701:02:03,179 --> 01:02:05,639title right there. Show. Find.94801:02:06,060 --> 01:02:07,020Brianna. I'm94901:02:07,020 --> 01:02:11,250Brianna Roy. I'm making I'mdoing it. That's hilarious. How95001:02:11,250 --> 01:02:16,470about or where is Brianna? Roy?Brianna? Okay, where's Brianna?95101:02:16,530 --> 01:02:19,320That's better. Good. I love agreat title.95201:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,700Yeah, so like I bet you there'stons of these.95301:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,119Yeah. So I don't I don't knowwhat to do about that. I don't95401:02:27,119 --> 01:02:31,649know what to do about it. Otherthan make it available as a95501:02:31,649 --> 01:02:37,289music track in in apps thatwants to show that in? No case95601:02:37,289 --> 01:02:43,649the roster I guess. At least wehave a nice base to start with.95701:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,090There's also one is this onethis is a wrote down95801:02:48,090 --> 01:02:50,490469-914-699195901:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,450And it's brianna is Brian A it'sbr A and A maybe it's Brian96001:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,490Brian A Roy who knows.96101:02:57,510 --> 01:03:02,310This is another one there's apodcast. index.org/podcasts like96201:03:02,310 --> 01:03:08,19046991 Do I feel like this is anunless you want to that's96301:03:08,190 --> 01:03:13,020another just as another exampleof a music feed that that this96401:03:13,020 --> 01:03:16,530thing found. And that is from96501:03:16,740 --> 01:03:19,500what what was it? I'm sorry,what was the number again?96601:03:19,650 --> 01:03:23,940The podcast ID is 46991469 or96701:03:23,940 --> 01:03:28,350nine or one? LB keeps pop? Ifind myself having to log into96801:03:28,350 --> 01:03:29,400lb a lot.96901:03:29,730 --> 01:03:31,020Me too. Using a little97001:03:31,020 --> 01:03:45,840annoying a little a little muchdude, I'm liking it. What is97101:03:45,840 --> 01:03:59,430this? Testing 2.0 2.0 Dynamite97201:03:59,940 --> 01:04:00,840because of that stuff,97301:04:00,870 --> 01:04:03,810so that yeah, lots of DJ mixesand stuff. Sure. You know, I97401:04:03,810 --> 01:04:11,730just had a meeting today withthe owner of 100% retro and 100%97501:04:11,730 --> 01:04:15,270Retro is a streaming radiostation from the Netherlands.97601:04:15,780 --> 01:04:21,690Belgium to be exact. And I'llplay it for you. So they're 24/797701:04:21,690 --> 01:04:26,040they have this guy's pretty he'shired Kim Wilde and all kinds of97801:04:26,070 --> 01:04:29,670legacy people to talk and it'sbasically let me say and they97901:04:29,670 --> 01:04:36,630have a whole that's what I wasput you know, there's it's it's98001:04:36,630 --> 01:04:46,950retro it's a Dutch station.That's all English was. Its98101:04:46,950 --> 01:04:51,270international languages as theclock moves around the globe.98201:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,140They get clever. Yeah. And sohe's like, I want you I want to98301:04:55,140 --> 01:04:58,590be on the live stream today.Okay, send me some promos. You98401:04:58,590 --> 01:05:02,340know, so the The feed will befilled up with highs as Kim98501:05:02,340 --> 01:05:06,240Wilde, whatever, listen to myshow, and then it'll be98601:05:06,240 --> 01:05:12,480continuously lit. That's a 24hour stream. So and we'll flip98701:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,680the music tag the medium tag tomusic. So when you're in a music98801:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,550app and you're going through thealbum's you'll see 100% retro98901:05:20,550 --> 01:05:22,830and you'll click on it and youcan listen live or listen to99001:05:22,830 --> 01:05:24,780whatever else they're going toput into that feed.99101:05:25,710 --> 01:05:27,720Oh, yeah, this has got DarrenOh, written all over it.99201:05:27,719 --> 01:05:31,289I totally. Oh, totally. Exactly.99301:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,330Did you hear Todd on the newmedia show say that he had set99401:05:36,330 --> 01:05:38,640up an audio, and I'd99501:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,750be willing to share it. I lovethat that was great.99601:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,260Well, then it shouldn't there bein that scenario, should there99701:05:46,260 --> 01:05:46,950not be99801:05:47,010 --> 01:05:48,900a split, split?99901:05:50,099 --> 01:05:51,779Or split? Of course,100001:05:52,350 --> 01:05:55,680like I'm gonna pay, I'm gonnapay you a little bit in order to100101:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,150you to rent your stream100201:05:57,180 --> 01:05:59,940for a little bit. Right. But Imean, that that can also just be100301:05:59,940 --> 01:06:03,780I mean, the simple sneakernetversion is hey, man, let me use100401:06:03,780 --> 01:06:07,200your stream. And I'm going toput you in the value block for100501:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,250the Live episode for the lit.Yeah. Totes. Totes McGoats I100601:06:11,250 --> 01:06:15,390can't believe you said that,shall we? Shall we thank a few100701:06:15,390 --> 01:06:18,300people who have sent been sentdiligently sending comments100801:06:18,300 --> 01:06:21,900feedback in the form of boosterGraham's first show. I think100901:06:21,900 --> 01:06:28,050it's time now Chimp, by the way,is no slouch. Chimp comes in101001:06:28,080 --> 01:06:36,990just seven seconds ago. With92,422 Satoshis Thank you. Yo,101101:06:37,020 --> 01:06:41,970join chimp and Captain brunch onSaturday night lit 20 ESP. The101201:06:41,970 --> 01:06:45,030newest lit V for V show to hitthe wave starts this Saturday,101301:06:45,030 --> 01:06:47,550big shout out to Steven B andsovereign fees for making it101401:06:47,550 --> 01:06:48,150possible.101501:06:48,660 --> 01:06:50,640So there's a promo last night101601:06:50,639 --> 01:06:54,179yeah, so I saw that the chimpthe chimp lit thing was going101701:06:54,179 --> 01:06:55,859on. I haven't tuned in yetthough.101801:06:56,310 --> 01:07:01,08099,099 from G of the Midwest.Sometimes pod verse crashes when101901:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,260I boost but overall, it's myfavorite PC 2.0 compliant app102001:07:04,260 --> 01:07:07,980for streaming the SATs.Blueberry with a row of sticks102101:07:07,980 --> 01:07:13,47011,111 To answer Adams question,I like supporting podcasting 2.0102201:07:13,470 --> 01:07:16,410Because it is the punk rockthing to do. And it'll piss your102301:07:16,410 --> 01:07:22,170nanny state off. Being a part ofthe stay while album and seeing102401:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,160it release. It felt like a firstvictory against the New World102501:07:26,160 --> 01:07:32,190Order. The future so lit you'regonna need 3d glasses. Like it's102601:07:32,400 --> 01:07:38,790like 10,101 So one a one a onefrom zombie slave must send102701:07:38,850 --> 01:07:49,110boost. Receive Bucha boost 555from yell dar Hi, Adam and Dave.102801:07:49,110 --> 01:07:53,370This is Yelder a podcast fromKazakhstan. I'm boosting you. I102901:07:53,370 --> 01:07:59,520have great news. I started apodcast today. We have great103001:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,280news over the transom fromKazakhstan from Kazakhstan. All103101:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,800right. So what is a yeld? RC? Ihave great news. I've started a103201:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,290podcast with the aim ofprotecting distributing103301:08:13,290 --> 01:08:17,580developing podcasting inKazakhstan. Hello. Nice. On this103401:08:17,580 --> 01:08:20,880occasion I have a favorite task.Could you record a welcome103501:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,310speech to my listeners for acouple of seconds please that103601:08:23,340 --> 01:08:29,100the name of the podcast name isQuoz podcast QA Z. Thank you in103701:08:29,100 --> 01:08:33,420advance go podcasting. Okay, soQA Z pa Do you think it'd be103801:08:33,540 --> 01:08:37,650Quoz? Or cause I don't want tomess it up and I don't want to103901:08:37,650 --> 01:08:41,010give them a bad a bad example.104001:08:41,369 --> 01:08:45,389Google Translate. Does it gofrom Kazzak to104101:08:46,260 --> 01:08:50,280Yeah, can you just que ese hewould any Kazakhstan's104201:08:50,280 --> 01:08:56,430and here we go. Here we go.Kazzak. que ese gas gas is what104301:08:56,430 --> 01:08:56,790attracts104401:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,340gas. Gas gas. Well, it makessense to have a gas podcast in104501:09:02,340 --> 01:09:07,590Kazakhstan. Let's see. Oh, man,that's really rich gas. Gas.104601:09:07,620 --> 01:09:08,640Like like gas, I104701:09:08,669 --> 01:09:11,819guess. So I guess it's just I'llthrow104801:09:11,820 --> 01:09:13,320a little cosmic accent on it.104901:09:14,580 --> 01:09:16,410A little more often. They're alittle boring. I'll105001:09:16,409 --> 01:09:19,619be fine. It's universal.105101:09:19,980 --> 01:09:21,090I think we should do you like105201:09:22,650 --> 01:09:25,590I say I'll say hey, I'm Adamcurry the pod father you say hi105301:09:25,590 --> 01:09:29,520as Dave Jones the pod sage.Let's do it really hokey. And105401:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,380then I'll finish it up. It'll befun. It's ready. Yep. Hi105501:09:34,380 --> 01:09:37,260everybody there in Kazakhstan.My name is Adam curry also known105601:09:37,290 --> 01:09:38,400as the pod father.105701:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,950In this is Dave Jones the podsage105801:09:40,980 --> 01:09:44,790we want to welcome you to thebrand new podcasting 2.0105901:09:44,790 --> 01:09:54,600initiative in Kazakhstan Godspodcast all the way that sounds106001:09:54,600 --> 01:09:55,290professional106101:09:55,320 --> 01:09:56,370epic. Epic.106201:09:57,150 --> 01:10:00,600That's, that's straight. That'sstraight voiceover work. If we106301:10:00,600 --> 01:10:01,590didn't get paid for that,106401:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,450pay two or 50,000 pops right ingo podcast and podcast. Thank106501:10:06,450 --> 01:10:11,940you Patreon. Appreciate that.10,000 Eric PP no boost106601:10:11,940 --> 01:10:18,270otherwise we got to 19,760 SATs.That would be a 1976106701:10:18,300 --> 01:10:22,980Bicentennial boost times 10 fromthe dirty Jersey horror podcast.106801:10:24,390 --> 01:10:25,890I met the dirty Jersey whore.106901:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,660No you didn't I did he was107001:10:27,660 --> 01:10:31,410at the beach. He came to thebeef initiative in in Bluffton,107101:10:31,410 --> 01:10:39,960Georgia was the dirty very dirtyhe's he's about six five, you107201:10:39,960 --> 01:10:45,030know has about 40 pounds on me.Big beard. Yeah, it was a really107301:10:45,030 --> 01:10:50,070nice guy. big burly fun guy.That total Jersey whore. Yeah,107401:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,330of course. That's what all ourhorse look like. On the bar.107501:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,550That's right, right on the tin.6969 from blueberry boosts107601:10:59,550 --> 01:11:02,760harder he says thank you messagereceived love that Harv had one107701:11:02,760 --> 01:11:08,070on one to one. Another blueberry36969 Where's the boost? That107801:11:08,070 --> 01:11:10,500was supposed to be an earthshattering boost? All right,107901:11:10,500 --> 01:11:18,270man. Boobies blueberries justhigh here. 3333 and108001:11:18,270 --> 01:11:24,000permissionless. Milkshakes.Okay. lyceum. 2222. High again,108101:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,430international podcast day is theright name of the event108201:11:26,430 --> 01:11:30,660September 30. David Lee sorryfor the misspelling I wonder if108301:11:30,660 --> 01:11:33,570I have the ducks in a row nextFriday. Best premises Martin108401:11:33,570 --> 01:11:40,200Linda's koge. Martin is up tosomething there. Oh, man, but108501:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,830does he have a whole guestanother here this is this108601:11:43,830 --> 01:11:46,050complicated? What are you tryingto something? Well,108701:11:46,050 --> 01:11:48,690international podcasting dayapparently is on September 30.108801:11:49,530 --> 01:11:55,560And when we see is that I thinkthat we've got all the pre the108901:11:55,560 --> 01:12:00,360pre show booths out of the way.Thank you all very much. You are109001:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,050part of our very coveted VPM.And soon we'll learn more about109101:12:04,050 --> 01:12:06,210that. Yes. Thank you for being a109201:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,280VP VP M algorithm.109301:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,950Thank you for being a number.Yes, coming. Yes,109401:12:10,950 --> 01:12:12,510was gross. I hate this stuff.109501:12:12,810 --> 01:12:15,870Now I know I really dig it. I'mvery excited. I'm very excited109601:12:15,870 --> 01:12:20,520to learn just learning more. Andnow obviously, I see that it109701:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,890could be that people cometogether and say, Hey, we like109801:12:22,890 --> 01:12:24,960this rule or the here's ourwhitelist or here's our109901:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,780blacklist, and they put alltogether in open fashion. And110001:12:27,780 --> 01:12:30,330they come up with somethingthat, you know, that works for110101:12:30,330 --> 01:12:31,200their system.110201:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,150I don't you know, I don't likethe math. I don't like the math110301:12:36,150 --> 01:12:40,860behind it. It's not just that Idon't like math. It's that I110401:12:40,860 --> 01:12:46,920think the math is is inherentlyflawed because the bigger so,110501:12:47,220 --> 01:12:51,390you know, we talked about thiswith the podcast consultants who110601:12:51,390 --> 01:12:53,940say okay, well, you have thismany downloads. And here's the110701:12:53,940 --> 01:12:59,670current CPM rate. And if youincrease your downloads by this110801:12:59,670 --> 01:13:02,400and your engagement percentageby this, and here's the formula,110901:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,530and this is how much moneyyou're gonna make. And that's,111001:13:04,830 --> 01:13:10,620that's a complete BS, play itbecause in this is what's in my111101:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,700opinion, in my opinion, this iswhat is going to happen with111201:13:14,700 --> 01:13:20,190programmatic. The more by itsvery nature of supply and demand111301:13:20,370 --> 01:13:25,920by economic law, the more peoplewho enable programmatic the111401:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,230lower the rates are gonna getabsolutely111501:13:29,070 --> 01:13:32,070no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Ihave something to add to that in111601:13:32,070 --> 01:13:32,370a minute.111701:13:32,489 --> 01:13:36,449Okay, it's as you if there's5000 podcasters right now who111801:13:36,449 --> 01:13:41,039hasn't programmatic turned down?If two years from now there's111901:13:41,759 --> 01:13:45,869200,000 that have it turned onyour rates are gonna go through112001:13:45,869 --> 01:13:50,669the floor? Kinda everybody'sgonna make less money Yeah. Now112101:13:50,669 --> 01:13:53,609bill rates are gonna go down thedown the crapper, everything is112201:13:53,609 --> 01:13:54,839gonna, it's gonna fall apart.112301:13:56,130 --> 01:13:59,220I don't know. I think the fillrates are pretty open as it was.112401:13:59,250 --> 01:14:03,690It was really odd because bothpod land pod line does mid rolls112501:14:03,690 --> 01:14:09,840from Buzzsprout. And blueberry.They were they with who does112601:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,440blueberry have doing their theirdynamic ad insertion?112701:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,430Sound stack? Does that soundright?112801:14:18,180 --> 01:14:21,360I think I wrote it down here.Yes. Sounds good. Yeah, there's112901:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,970sound stack and advertised cast.Those are kind of the two113001:14:23,970 --> 01:14:29,790players I believe. So now I'vebeen receiving whenever I113101:14:29,790 --> 01:14:34,500started the new media show an adfor nice and ice.com. Not quite113201:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,220sure what they do is notappropriate for me. It's okay,113301:14:38,250 --> 01:14:42,210they're short. Now, they'rereally kind of non intrusive.113401:14:42,210 --> 01:14:46,230They're almost like very shortradio ads, which is kind of the113501:14:46,230 --> 01:14:50,310problem that I had with it.Because the one that I got today113601:14:50,310 --> 01:14:54,180as I was listening was for apromotion for hepatitis C113701:14:54,180 --> 01:14:59,700vaccination. Oh. Which, which,by the way, you know, that's113801:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,250foreign. My money. That's prettygood. I mean, that's that's113901:15:02,250 --> 01:15:06,060impressive. That's that that'sadvertising out there. But it114001:15:06,060 --> 01:15:12,060took me to a place that I wasn'tprepared for. I was ready for114101:15:13,140 --> 01:15:20,520laughter known to lie. Taughtand wrote morning, in the114201:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,520afternoon, then and I got toknow, are you? Are you seething114301:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,690with hepatitis C?114401:15:29,670 --> 01:15:31,380Bones coming out of your nose?114501:15:33,540 --> 01:15:36,090No, of course you don't, becauseyou're gonna get vaccinated with114601:15:36,090 --> 01:15:40,170his Hep C vaccine. So it wasjust jarring. That's all.114701:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,740But I, what I was going to addto this as we I received our114801:15:46,740 --> 01:15:49,260podcast evaluation for noagenda.114901:15:51,630 --> 01:15:56,940Oh, pencast broker for the sale.Your pocket.com?115001:15:56,940 --> 01:15:58,680Yes, yes. What was the wait?115101:15:58,710 --> 01:15:59,610Can you share it?115201:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,200I'm going to absolutely.115301:16:03,210 --> 01:16:05,100I'm all ears. I'm on my toes. So115401:16:05,130 --> 01:16:09,210podcasts broker.com I reallyliked this concept. You can say,115501:16:09,210 --> 01:16:13,650hey, I'm tired. And believe me.DeVore. I've mentioned these115601:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,470numbers on no agendas at work.And I retired. Yeah, we're115701:16:16,470 --> 01:16:19,050tired, man. Should we punch out?Yeah, we can sell this thing.115801:16:19,050 --> 01:16:24,510Really? Yeah. Apparently we can.Now the podcast broker gives us115901:16:24,510 --> 01:16:28,800an honest evaluation. And youknow, that still has to put it116001:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,440out in the market. But I thinkthe podcast broker would116101:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,580hopefully already have an ideaof potential buyers. Maybe not.116201:16:35,940 --> 01:16:40,800It's an IPO. It's an it's aninitial podcast offering.116301:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,330Well, in a way, except theexcept then the host don't get116401:16:45,330 --> 01:16:46,500sold with the show.116501:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,530Yeah, y'all have to get out. Youhave to leave. That's the116601:16:49,530 --> 01:16:53,070point. So and they don't wantyou this. What's your domain116701:16:53,070 --> 01:16:56,880names your catalog, you know,all this stuff, everything. Now,116801:16:57,090 --> 01:16:59,610besides that being I thinkpretty much impossible because116901:16:59,610 --> 01:17:03,030we don't own anything. All thestuff was done by producers of117001:17:03,030 --> 01:17:07,500the show. Yeah, and that weprobably never would. But it was117101:17:07,500 --> 01:17:11,670fun to find out. But not forthis money. So we I gave them117201:17:11,670 --> 01:17:17,040some honest but general numbers.And the net present value at117301:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,740sale, do you want to guess theno agenda show what that would117401:17:19,740 --> 01:17:23,430be worth to someone who's goingto buy that? Without us?117501:17:23,790 --> 01:17:26,640Just the nature of what thisthing is? I'm gonna say that117601:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,260it's going to be somethingabsurdly low. And I'm gonna say117701:17:33,030 --> 01:17:36,270I'm gonna go 150 grand. Oh, no,no.117801:17:38,250 --> 01:17:43,020No, no, no, no, no. 15 years,man, almost 1500 shows now117901:17:43,230 --> 01:17:51,390$1,846,611. Which is not enoughfor us to give it up, obviously.118001:17:51,390 --> 01:17:54,960But here's what's interesting.So they say no, and it's a very118101:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,020short note. It's nice, it'sformatted. But then it says on118201:17:58,020 --> 01:18:00,660the right on the same page, itsays potential annual118301:18:00,690 --> 01:18:02,670programmatic ad revenue.118401:18:03,630 --> 01:18:05,100Wait, you get a residual?118501:18:06,059 --> 01:18:10,589No, I think that this is howthey would sell it is like this118601:18:10,589 --> 01:18:17,519show with this audience has a, apotential annual programmatic ad118701:18:17,519 --> 01:18:21,689revenue number. So again, thenet present value, if we sell118801:18:21,689 --> 01:18:27,419it, if someone would buy it is1.8 million 1.85. Roughly, the118901:18:27,419 --> 01:18:30,569potential annual programmatic adrevenue should you buy this119001:18:30,569 --> 01:18:33,629fantastic property without thehost? Or more importantly, and I119101:18:33,629 --> 01:18:37,499think that was the message. Hey,why would you sell your podcast119201:18:37,619 --> 01:18:42,179when we can get you this money?In programmatic ad revenue? The119301:18:42,179 --> 01:18:43,769number Oh,119401:18:43,770 --> 01:18:45,810good. Okay. Now this makessense. The119501:18:45,810 --> 01:18:51,090number is $2.4 million. Well,there you go. I mean, before I119601:18:51,090 --> 01:18:54,360get a value for value, stick itup your butt. We'll take the two119701:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,560and a half million bucks.119801:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,530Yeah, I mean, all you got to dois drop some Pepsi.119901:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,140Pepsi, you're a millionaire. Youcan move to Beverly.120001:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,790Yeah, you change nothing aboutyour show. Except every every120101:19:08,790 --> 01:19:11,910once in a while. You just sayHey, is anybody Hey, John, have120201:19:11,910 --> 01:19:15,240you taking your hypsi? Yeah,yeah, did Dad um, it was great.120301:19:15,450 --> 01:19:17,850Man. It made it made me feel alltingly. And I thought oh, they120401:19:17,850 --> 01:19:19,830got all freaked out. But then Ithought you know what, this is120501:19:19,830 --> 01:19:20,580kind of chill.120601:19:20,940 --> 01:19:24,600The sad thing is both of us arevery capable of doing that. We120701:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,260have done it before. We're very,very capable of it. Not a120801:19:28,260 --> 01:19:31,890problem. So that was120901:19:32,580 --> 01:19:38,190I see this. I see this now.Which I don't I still don't121001:19:38,190 --> 01:19:43,050understand this whole, like, so.So the real for most people.121101:19:43,050 --> 01:19:46,440It's not about selling yourpodcast. It's about it's about121201:19:46,470 --> 01:19:51,060oh, hey, you can get more moneythrough programmatic ads. But if121301:19:51,060 --> 01:19:57,570you got offered 1.8 million fora podcast where the host aren't121401:19:57,570 --> 01:20:01,530there anymore. I don'tunderstand. And this doesn't121501:20:01,530 --> 01:20:04,650make any sense. All I wasthinking was house podcast, the121601:20:04,650 --> 01:20:05,580host or the121701:20:05,580 --> 01:20:09,330show. I was thinking if I justkill off Dvorak, you know, the121801:20:09,330 --> 01:20:13,110show has to end anyway. Boom.1.8 mil for me, baby.121901:20:13,140 --> 01:20:15,510Yes, right. You don't have toshare that at all.122001:20:15,540 --> 01:20:18,540No. Screw that.122101:20:19,469 --> 01:20:22,439I know I don't, I just don'tunderstand when122201:20:22,499 --> 01:20:24,659I actually think about he mightkill me off. I122301:20:24,660 --> 01:20:27,510gotta be careful. The funnything would be is if somebody122401:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,290whoever buys no agenda, they'regonna get in there and be like,122501:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,430Oh, okay, Jim, contact us noagenda shop.com. Guys, let's122601:20:35,430 --> 01:20:38,400check out that contract. Seewhat it looks like. There's no122701:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,210contracts or122801:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,200what? Yeah, actually, that'sfunny. You mentioned that. For122901:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,890the 15th anniversary, what Iwant to do is have a list of all123001:20:46,890 --> 01:20:51,360the stuff that has been done byno agenda that has nothing to do123101:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,270with us. But all the you know,how many T shirts have been123201:20:54,270 --> 01:20:57,810sold, how many artists got paidfor that? How many meetups were123301:20:57,810 --> 01:21:00,300there? You know, all there's somany cool metrics that we have123401:21:00,300 --> 01:21:01,380no idea about.123501:21:02,070 --> 01:21:04,650You can imagine somebody doingthe same thing with you by123601:21:04,650 --> 01:21:08,910podcasting 2.0 show, and it'slike, contact the OP three dot123701:21:08,910 --> 01:21:11,160dev team, and let's get them inhere for voice like,123801:21:11,700 --> 01:21:14,610get them in here for a codereview. So code reviews,123901:21:14,940 --> 01:21:18,060you know, they they're their ownthing, right? There's a what?124001:21:19,620 --> 01:21:21,810Well, so that's one otherimportant thing I want to say.124101:21:23,550 --> 01:21:27,690Because it's, and I was gonna doa clip, because it was but then124201:21:27,690 --> 01:21:31,860again, it was about a castlaying off, you know, 70 people,124301:21:31,860 --> 01:21:33,240or 15% of its staff.124401:21:33,630 --> 01:21:37,020That said, it said, I don't wantthat to happen. No, of course,124501:21:37,020 --> 01:21:37,140it's124601:21:37,140 --> 01:21:40,680sad. But I do want to remindeverybody, this is exactly what124701:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,340I predicted this is going tohappen. Because for all of the124801:21:44,340 --> 01:21:49,050billion dollars that is floatingaround podcasting, not a single124901:21:49,050 --> 01:21:53,070one of these companies, except Iguess parliamo, maybe that may125001:21:53,070 --> 01:21:56,280be a different deal. Butapparently, none of them are125101:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,920able to make profit. And a castis public, which makes it even125201:22:01,950 --> 01:22:06,960more. So it's unrelenting. Ifyou're and I've run a public125301:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,970company, I've run companies with700 employees. And it sounds125401:22:11,970 --> 01:22:16,920really harsh. And that was theworst part of of the job. And in125501:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,200this case, it was and it's verysimilar, I think, with125601:22:19,230 --> 01:22:23,130advertising. Because we were inadvertising, we lost the client125701:22:23,130 --> 01:22:28,920or the client, cut their budget.Well, there's a team. And125801:22:28,950 --> 01:22:32,160depending on what you can do canmove someone to other teams, can125901:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,140you replace him with a newclient, which is usually the126001:22:34,140 --> 01:22:37,110first thing you try to do youalways have a pipeline, but it's126101:22:37,110 --> 01:22:41,250not a team has to go that'sthat's the nature of the126201:22:41,250 --> 01:22:44,400business and the advertisingbusinesses the same? Whether126301:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,530you're in print advertising, orpodcast advertising money on all126401:22:49,530 --> 01:22:53,400sides of the equation. Yes. ButI just want to remind everybody,126501:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,780the core problem is the centralbank rates. This is the core126601:22:57,780 --> 01:23:03,990problem for most people who ifyou're now in your 30s Butoh,126701:23:03,990 --> 01:23:08,640no, it was like before freemoney, the free money came after126801:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,030the financial crash, which ishow they didn't fix anything.126901:23:12,180 --> 01:23:17,400But how they made it groovy foreverybody is the investors could127001:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,880literally banks could literallyget money for free and invest it127101:23:20,910 --> 01:23:25,530anywhere and go for growth,young man go for growth. And now127201:23:25,530 --> 01:23:29,040that's over. And I know how hardit is to actually make money in127301:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,570the advertising game withpodcast unless you compromise to127401:23:33,570 --> 01:23:37,650the degree that you're a makingpodcast for the advertiser and127501:23:37,650 --> 01:23:40,170then supporting that with adsaround your network. That's127601:23:40,170 --> 01:23:42,900typically what happens happenedto me. He's no shame in it, but127701:23:42,900 --> 01:23:48,510it's annoying. Or the reason whyI left my own company was I felt127801:23:48,510 --> 01:23:53,070like I was building NASCAR'swith great drivers, except here127901:23:53,070 --> 01:23:56,580came the commercial guys. Andthey put stickers all over the128001:23:56,580 --> 01:23:59,670windshield, so my drivercouldn't drive. Could you see128101:23:59,670 --> 01:24:02,490and couldn't see out thewindshield. And I quit. It was128201:24:02,490 --> 01:24:07,020just it wasn't fun anymore. Itwas not funny. No, no BMW,128301:24:07,020 --> 01:24:10,470though. Oh, they heard somethingon this podcast and Maj.128401:24:10,470 --> 01:24:14,940Weinstein says something wasn'teven advertised on that podcast,128501:24:14,940 --> 01:24:17,670but as part of the network, Imean, it's a never ending,128601:24:17,850 --> 01:24:21,900Nightmare nightmare. They wantto be in control. They want to128701:24:21,900 --> 01:24:24,720know exactly what's happening.The ones that aren't are going128801:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,480to be you know, you're just notgoing to have enough of them at128901:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,760the low prices. They willactually settle for I mean,129001:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,760there's, I think I sent you alink there's companies who are129101:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,330buying up rendement advertisingalready and giving out great129201:24:36,330 --> 01:24:39,240deals to people just you know,like Ricketts is a typical129301:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,050advertiser. I think they do.They own lots of small fast129401:24:43,050 --> 01:24:48,120moving consumer goods. Likeallergy stuff Zyrtec might be129501:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,840there's Yeah, we're so products.You know they'll they'll buy129601:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,890remnant inventory just blanketthe landscape. But you know, you129701:24:55,890 --> 01:24:58,680got to think what you're doingwhen I when I put into the mood129801:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,070for my afternoon delight with Alittle bit of hep C jarring man,129901:25:02,100 --> 01:25:05,430I gotta I gotta be honest aboutI'm okay. I'm not hurt, but it130001:25:05,430 --> 01:25:06,030was jarring.130101:25:06,510 --> 01:25:13,830Yeah. You know, I don't thinkthe time to get out. If you were130201:25:13,830 --> 01:25:17,910gonna get it. Do you think thisis fair? In the podcasting130301:25:17,910 --> 01:25:21,330industrial complex? The time toget out with an exit was130401:25:21,330 --> 01:25:25,110probably a year ago or two yearsago. Yeah,130501:25:25,140 --> 01:25:29,880well, you trigger something withme. Because when Joe was Pete130601:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,400getting out, really that alsostarted a lot of other things.130701:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,360No agenda is completelyinappropriate for no agenda is130801:25:36,390 --> 01:25:39,450always going to be what it isuntil we're no more and then130901:25:39,450 --> 01:25:40,230we'll see what happens.131001:25:40,710 --> 01:25:43,170It's like Rush without no part.It's just not gonna happen.131101:25:43,320 --> 01:25:48,900Right? Exactly, exactly. When Ihear that Spotify has now so131201:25:48,900 --> 01:25:53,880they do music, they've expandedto audiobooks for which they131301:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,650have oh, the prices are high.Well, they have prices. I have131401:25:58,650 --> 01:26:01,860to say, you know, I saw thisright away when they launched131501:26:01,860 --> 01:26:06,630podcasting, when you go to putyour, your work, your love your131601:26:06,630 --> 01:26:11,880value, your your heart and soul,your emotion, your laughter,131701:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,790whatever it is, you're puttingthat into a podcast, and you're131801:26:14,790 --> 01:26:19,290going to sign up with Spotify.And you literally take the box131901:26:19,290 --> 01:26:21,720and give them the rights toeverything and they pay you132001:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,290nothing. What is wrong with youpeople look at what they're132101:26:25,290 --> 01:26:28,170doing with other types ofcontent. Why do you consider132201:26:28,170 --> 01:26:29,820yourself to be less?132301:26:33,630 --> 01:26:41,490Yeah, it's crazy. That's what itsounds as Spotify doing anything132401:26:41,490 --> 01:26:45,750for for podcasts? Are there anyadvertising deals? Can you sign132501:26:45,750 --> 01:26:48,450up and get ad money from them? Idon't think132601:26:49,019 --> 01:26:50,399they own megaphone.132701:26:50,880 --> 01:26:51,510Okay.132801:26:53,010 --> 01:26:55,980Now, I think they bought themmaybe last All right earlier132901:26:55,980 --> 01:27:01,380this one? Man, I don't know. Idon't know. I don't know. But I133001:27:01,380 --> 01:27:03,720think no, but I think you'reright I mean think engine in133101:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,790general. Taking your content andmaking money off of it and you133201:27:08,790 --> 01:27:14,340get that goes back to the CPMthing. Why did my paper but the133301:27:14,340 --> 01:27:19,260CPM thing, that CPM rate that 20You know, whatever it said on133401:27:19,260 --> 01:27:23,400there, like three, five and $12for a programmatic? Five and133501:27:23,400 --> 01:27:28,530$12. That's five and $12 total,that you only get 70% of that?133601:27:29,370 --> 01:27:30,120Oh, yeah. Oh, there's133701:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,190that? Yeah. Yeah,133801:27:32,220 --> 01:27:36,600yeah, it goes to the, to theagency. So like, I mean, that's133901:27:36,630 --> 01:27:42,330that $5 CPM, currently, whichmay be $2, in five years. I134001:27:42,330 --> 01:27:48,630mean, 1000, downloads gets you,you know, dollar, but whatever,134101:27:48,780 --> 01:27:53,520you know, 70% of five bucks is,you know, 350, or whatever. You134201:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,720think that's not great.134301:27:54,780 --> 01:27:58,920I love the vulture article in Iguess that's part of New York134401:27:58,920 --> 01:27:59,670Magazine.134501:27:59,910 --> 01:28:01,290I haven't read that yet.134601:28:01,470 --> 01:28:08,370It's very long. It is fantastic.Because it shows you it134701:28:08,370 --> 01:28:14,820describes to a tee, the podcastindustrial complex 100%, and how134801:28:14,820 --> 01:28:19,170the people inside of it think.And it's it's all hits, it's all134901:28:19,170 --> 01:28:23,010hits driven. Oh, you know, we'dhaven't had a hit like cereal135001:28:23,010 --> 01:28:26,880for years. You know, it's likepodcasting is just radio. Now.135101:28:26,970 --> 01:28:31,380It's been ages since the lastblockbuster narrative show. What135201:28:31,380 --> 01:28:34,410does that mean for the medium asan art form? And what they're135301:28:34,410 --> 01:28:40,110stuck in the the author, and alot of the people reference here135401:28:40,530 --> 01:28:43,560is the idea that, that you haveto have a hit that everyone's135501:28:43,560 --> 01:28:48,600talking about. But you don't youcould this this show right here135601:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,260is a hit. It's a hit in ourindustry. No one knows about it.135701:28:52,260 --> 01:28:56,310You can get it on Spotify orApple podcast. I know someone135801:28:56,310 --> 01:29:00,000did upload it. You can't get it.On pirated us there. And that's135901:29:00,000 --> 01:29:04,890interesting. We don't care. It'sall about No, all the numbers136001:29:04,890 --> 01:29:10,980are down. It's only 30,000. NowI like to care if you like and I136101:29:10,980 --> 01:29:14,730really liked this podcast wherethe where the crawdads sing but136201:29:14,970 --> 01:29:17,970but there's not enough peoplelistening to it. Who cares? Did136301:29:17,970 --> 01:29:18,930you like it?136401:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,580Were the curl deaths?136501:29:22,680 --> 01:29:28,830It was it was there wassomething? This is the Alex136601:29:28,830 --> 01:29:32,190Bloomberg co founder of gimletmedia, the ones golden child136701:29:32,190 --> 01:29:38,040with a podcast business that wassold to Spotify in 2019. What136801:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,860does he say here? Oh, yeah. Soin other words, immediate136901:29:40,860 --> 01:29:44,190business. I was asking him isthis all going to end up shaking137001:29:44,190 --> 01:29:47,250out like radio? In other words,immediate business that mostly137101:29:47,250 --> 01:29:49,860revolves around high profileTalking Heads Rush Limbaugh,137201:29:49,860 --> 01:29:53,310Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, AlexCooper. The trio Will Arnett137301:29:53,310 --> 01:29:56,250Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes,who reportedly signed a deal137401:29:56,250 --> 01:30:00,300with Amazon worth as much as $80million for it's all whole137501:30:00,540 --> 01:30:04,770circle jerk. And they even say,you know, we've built Hollywood137601:30:04,770 --> 01:30:09,360but you know, there's no contentis no hits. And and it's the137701:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,180exact same problem is what yousaid about programmatic ads,137801:30:12,210 --> 01:30:15,300there's a lot of podcasts, andthey each have their own little137901:30:15,300 --> 01:30:17,790audience and they have their ownvalue structure and their own138001:30:17,790 --> 01:30:21,330value chain, and they're gonnabe just fine. They will get138101:30:21,330 --> 01:30:24,930exactly out of it what theydeserve. And that's and that's138201:30:24,930 --> 01:30:28,620the future that is the media,you beef initiative, Texas slim138301:30:28,620 --> 01:30:32,610as a podcast, it's reallyimportant for you know, hundreds138401:30:32,610 --> 01:30:36,780of people maybe 1000 That's itto them that and that's138501:30:36,780 --> 01:30:39,810beautiful, and there's moneyflowing and there's rancher138601:30:39,810 --> 01:30:42,510selling beef and people feelinggood and they're getting ended,138701:30:42,510 --> 01:30:48,960the whole thing is, is isorganized around a podcast138801:30:50,790 --> 01:30:53,550that's the future that's thefuture of media we're living138901:30:53,550 --> 01:30:56,790right now this this idea of youhave to have the be number one139001:30:56,790 --> 01:30:59,970on the chart. It's It'sludicrous, you will lose only139101:30:59,970 --> 01:31:02,760two people when and one of themwas always Beyonce.139201:31:03,570 --> 01:31:10,620You know, you know, this, thispodcasting 2.0 in Apple podcasts139301:31:10,620 --> 01:31:17,820that how we've been put inthere. You changed the live139401:31:18,180 --> 01:31:19,020image139501:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,310today, so that it did I justwanted you in the push139601:31:23,310 --> 01:31:26,730notification. Again, I got I gota push notification.139701:31:27,599 --> 01:31:33,029Okay, so this is going to be inyou have inadvertently done an139801:31:33,029 --> 01:31:38,219experiment, because we don'tknow how this podcasting 2.0139901:31:38,219 --> 01:31:43,919Running with Scissors art gotinto Apple podcasts. Because140001:31:43,919 --> 01:31:50,339that that art only shows up intwo places in the feed. It shows140101:31:50,339 --> 01:31:55,619up in the live item image tag inone episode, probably. And no,140201:31:55,619 --> 01:31:59,039it shows up in every otherepisode, but only as part of the140301:31:59,099 --> 01:32:04,469images tagged the podcast colonimages tag, Oh, interesting. So140401:32:04,499 --> 01:32:10,319that means the apple podcastsdirectory, their aggregator is140501:32:10,319 --> 01:32:16,559either running through the feedand looking and finding the140601:32:16,559 --> 01:32:21,389first image it in hitting thefirst iTunes colon image it can140701:32:21,389 --> 01:32:26,309find in grabbing thatirrespective of XML structure,140801:32:26,909 --> 01:32:32,879which would pick it up from thelive item, or it's interpreting140901:32:32,879 --> 01:32:38,579the podcast colon imagesnamespace tag. Well, I guess the141001:32:38,579 --> 01:32:43,919third option less likely is ix.It's interpreting the podcast141101:32:44,009 --> 01:32:47,609live item tag, which I doubt butwho you know who knows what141201:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,249they're doing internally. Sothis is going to be interesting141301:32:50,249 --> 01:32:53,999because if the image that youchanged in the live item becomes141401:32:53,999 --> 01:32:58,139the apple Podcast Directoryimage for us, we will know that141501:32:58,139 --> 01:33:01,529they're picking it up from thelive item. It doesn't, I'll get141601:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,200I'll give you another scenario.Here's what I think happened.141701:33:04,860 --> 01:33:10,980Okay, so you can so this imageis just an episode image and I141801:33:10,980 --> 01:33:13,830put the one of Phoebe in therewith the value for value logo141901:33:13,830 --> 01:33:15,660around her neck, which was doneby142001:33:16,979 --> 01:33:20,699Mark Don, thank you very muchvery funny. She got a little142101:33:20,699 --> 01:33:21,359booties on.142201:33:23,700 --> 01:33:27,720So I didn't sync that with thechannel image. So it shows up in142301:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,600the notification shows up ifyou're playing the Live episode,142401:33:30,600 --> 01:33:37,080the lit episode. It's possiblethat I that I synced the running142501:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,470with scissors image at one pointduring an episode just I think I142601:33:40,470 --> 01:33:45,360did I recall syncing it one. Soit was the the logo. And Apple142701:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,350has a very stringent Rule No2000 by 2000 Minimum image,142801:33:49,380 --> 01:33:53,250you're not going to show up asan image. I'm pretty sure that I142901:33:53,250 --> 01:33:56,880never bothered to make ourchannel image 2000 by 2000143001:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,350pixels. So it must have pickedup that one that was the channel143101:34:01,350 --> 01:34:06,840image it is 2000 by 2000 Ibelieve or bore larger. And so143201:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,600anything else has come sincethen it has it's just rejected143301:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,730it they won't change it. This isyears of experience talking.143401:34:15,690 --> 01:34:19,890Yeah, I have to say sometimes Idon't sync the channel image or143501:34:19,890 --> 01:34:23,490I or I screw it up and I put thewrong image that isn't the 2000143601:34:23,490 --> 01:34:28,680by 2001 into the no agenda feed.And Ted horseman always emails143701:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,780me man. I love that guy. Hey,man fix should fix your image143801:34:34,859 --> 01:34:36,4492000 That's easy. I143901:34:36,450 --> 01:34:39,630really tried to not mess that upthere and144001:34:39,630 --> 01:34:45,300to see how big this one is. Thisone was not your right. It's 530144101:34:45,300 --> 01:34:46,560for about 504144201:34:46,860 --> 01:34:50,220Our current one. Yeah, yeah,yeah.144301:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,710Dang it. I thought I thought wemay have uncovered a secret tag144401:34:55,710 --> 01:34:59,010use with a secret podcastingnamespace tag with an Apple144501:34:59,580 --> 01:35:05,460ID doubt it. I'm sorry. Hey,should we thank some people144601:35:05,460 --> 01:35:08,130here, Dave, who have beensupporting us so nicely and144701:35:08,220 --> 01:35:11,130we're moving up on a buck 35 Sowe probably want to let people144801:35:12,330 --> 01:35:15,030know the doughnuts are a littlestale at this point.144901:35:16,619 --> 01:35:19,589Cold coffee doesn't bother me.I'm alright. Yeah, sure. Wait,145001:35:19,589 --> 01:35:23,939let's do. Let's do somesafehouse first, we get big145101:35:23,939 --> 01:35:28,859week. Big paper week. We gotMarco. Oh, $500. Every month he145201:35:28,859 --> 01:35:33,539gets a big baller for that. ShotCarla 20 his blade145301:35:33,570 --> 01:35:38,730on? I am Paula, thank you verymuch for our VPM increase.145401:35:39,149 --> 01:35:45,269Yes. And I've got to contacthim. I gotta contact him this145501:35:45,269 --> 01:35:50,339week and ask if he needs theepisode, the mimic the iTunes145601:35:50,369 --> 01:35:55,709API mimic stuff. Let him knowthat that stuff was live. So you145701:35:55,709 --> 01:35:58,949can use it as a fallback. And Ineed to contact him again to see145801:35:58,949 --> 01:36:03,179if he needs the episode lookup.Okay, because that's part that's145901:36:03,179 --> 01:36:05,849another one but it's going to bea lot more complicated. If he146001:36:05,849 --> 01:36:11,099doesn't need it. I'm not goingto do it. Okay. Buzzsprout rally146101:36:11,099 --> 01:36:11,519dollars.146201:36:14,370 --> 01:36:19,110Play on am Paula. Big month.Nice. Thank you, everybody.146301:36:19,470 --> 01:36:25,170I sent I sent Tom and Kevin acouple of our units or even in146401:36:25,170 --> 01:36:28,740the index bro T shirts on myown. Oh, cool. I just146501:36:29,790 --> 01:36:32,910got to order mine. I love those.Those are so so awesome.146601:36:33,450 --> 01:36:36,090I wore mine at the at the146701:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,120Podcast Movement. Yeah. Did youget any comments on it?146801:36:39,600 --> 01:36:46,500Yeah, yeah. From Tom and Kevinthere was like on the way man on146901:36:46,500 --> 01:36:47,730the way you couldn't147001:36:48,630 --> 01:36:51,120you should expense that to theindex when you don't have to pay147101:36:51,120 --> 01:36:51,570for that.147201:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,730That's fine. Now let's gates hegave us $100 As a one time I147301:36:58,410 --> 01:37:01,380appreciate that. That's verynice.147401:37:01,740 --> 01:37:06,270Yeah, very, very kind of of Alexand appreciate dearly to help147501:37:06,270 --> 01:37:09,360with Python because I'm a I'm aPython idiot. I know nothing147601:37:09,360 --> 01:37:15,750about. C let's do some boostergrams. We got a chat Pharaoh147701:37:15,750 --> 01:37:18,6303333. Through fountain note.Thank147801:37:18,629 --> 01:37:19,289you Chad.147901:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,430Chad Pharaoh again. 25,000 SATsand he says Adam and Kyle make148001:37:23,430 --> 01:37:26,820ice making ISOs while Dave wasrebooting was podcasting gold.148101:37:28,680 --> 01:37:29,730It was it. I had it here.148201:37:29,729 --> 01:37:30,929I still haven't heard that.148301:37:34,500 --> 01:37:42,420Oh, there we go. But you haven'tyour computer hasn't crashed148401:37:42,420 --> 01:37:43,950yet, but when it does, I'll beready.148501:37:44,550 --> 01:37:47,820I rebooted the computer rightbefore the show. went ahead and148601:37:47,820 --> 01:37:48,030got148701:37:48,510 --> 01:37:50,910it that means nothing. Trust me.I know how this works.148801:37:51,240 --> 01:37:57,090It's coming. froze froze here.Gave us 5000 sets. No note.148901:37:57,390 --> 01:38:01,230Thank you for Rosie. Thank you.Oh, look who it is Cali bear149001:38:01,230 --> 01:38:04,83020,000 cents. Thanks so much forhaving me on and giving the149101:38:04,830 --> 01:38:08,700intergalactic boombox some love.Speaking of love, love your149201:38:08,700 --> 01:38:09,420work, man.149301:38:10,830 --> 01:38:14,790I was one of those. Yes. A lotof people liked that episode. It149401:38:14,790 --> 01:38:17,490was fun. He was a fun guy totalk to from a very different149501:38:17,490 --> 01:38:20,760perspective, you know, much moretalent, obviously, it's talent.149601:38:21,210 --> 01:38:21,750Well,149701:38:22,290 --> 01:38:27,210I've been trying to sprinkle inevery now and then I'm going to149801:38:27,210 --> 01:38:30,180try to do a value for valuepodcast or that's not149901:38:30,180 --> 01:38:35,760necessarily technical. Just gofor the show. Yeah, yeah, maybe150001:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,310you know, wants to everyone justwants to know, every great once150101:38:38,310 --> 01:38:41,940in a while, throw in an actualpodcaster like I want to get150201:38:41,940 --> 01:38:45,870chyron from immortals on theshow at some point, just because150301:38:45,870 --> 01:38:50,370it's really helpful to hear thenon technical podcasters point150401:38:50,370 --> 01:38:53,880of view, when it comes to how tohandle all this stuff. And I150501:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,270think I think that's a valuableperspective. Completely agree.150601:38:57,420 --> 01:39:01,680Yeah. Roy Schonfeld. HeyScheifele Roy, how150701:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,370you doing?150801:39:02,760 --> 01:39:07,26054321 And he just says greatepisode. How you doing?150901:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,590Thank you, Roy. I while we werein Georgia, there was a lot of a151001:39:13,590 --> 01:39:18,150lot of lightning activity. Theyhad no they on boarded the white151101:39:18,150 --> 01:39:21,870oak pastures. And so the generalstore had a had a lightning151201:39:21,870 --> 01:39:25,170checkout terminal and peopleknow it was cool. And I use151301:39:25,170 --> 01:39:28,350breeze for that all I thinkexclusively. I love breeze just151401:39:29,040 --> 01:39:33,150it's one of those things where Idon't have to worry. That breeze151501:39:33,150 --> 01:39:36,750is a great wallet. I mean, it'sit's it is also the first Apple151601:39:36,750 --> 01:39:41,220wallet. Don't call it the firstpayment device app thingamabob,151701:39:41,220 --> 01:39:47,730jicama Jagi. Yes, it is thefirst key authenticator that151801:39:47,730 --> 01:39:49,050I've enjoyed so much.151901:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,840It's Yes, that's right. KeyVerification Mechanism.152001:39:51,899 --> 01:39:55,469That's right. KVM mere mortals152101:39:55,469 --> 01:39:59,729podcast give us 4444 throughfountain Thank you. And Karen152201:39:59,729 --> 01:40:02,909says With the advertising modelit seems easy to lose focus on152301:40:02,909 --> 01:40:07,319what's important. Where Where amI set? Where are my stats and152401:40:07,319 --> 01:40:11,129money man? Statistics forstatistics sake is just as152501:40:11,129 --> 01:40:14,459stupid as money for money's sakeare my favorite content for152601:40:14,459 --> 01:40:22,589content sake got it it's hard toargue Thank you anonymous152701:40:22,589 --> 01:40:25,859donation of 22 to 22 SATsthrough cast ematic Thank you152801:40:25,859 --> 01:40:27,149anonymous note152901:40:29,070 --> 01:40:30,090row ducks there153001:40:32,130 --> 01:40:38,070a 1505 sets through from PolishPodcast Directory podcast dot153101:40:38,070 --> 01:40:40,710info com through curio Castro153201:40:40,740 --> 01:40:47,520podcast de dot info castI with aK podcast with an IK and and I153301:40:48,720 --> 01:40:53,460know K and CPODK as t y dotinfo.153401:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,080Podcast T. That's hilarious. Isee. I mean of all the names you153501:40:58,080 --> 01:41:03,030get. What Hey, what should wecut the podcasts? Of course. Oh,153601:41:03,030 --> 01:41:08,070this is so cool. Podcast. Wow,man, let's let's do a podcast.153701:41:08,070 --> 01:41:10,980He is a chief position. Yeah,and about the show and said we153801:41:10,980 --> 01:41:16,110used to go to bigger rock. Yeah,rock and roll bass. Here's a153901:41:16,140 --> 01:41:21,360here's a wind podcast. Frompodcast D Ooh, a PHP error was154001:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,750encountered. Ooh, that's good.That's probably because of the154101:41:24,780 --> 01:41:26,820the Polish language is,154201:41:27,060 --> 01:41:31,530is probably is probably becausethey've they're using PHP which154301:41:31,530 --> 01:41:33,780is not allowed per the rules ofCSV.154401:41:34,530 --> 01:41:40,290Here's xaba Wait jednym that allshut? monkey cataflam The monkey154501:41:40,290 --> 01:41:40,770pox154601:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,850Yeah, it's above it's above ALA.Well, welcome Well, welcome154701:41:50,850 --> 01:41:51,600podcast.154801:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,110I hope we're able to help youguys in any way.154901:41:56,129 --> 01:42:00,179Yeah, and I hope we get alltheir shows. I mean, we need to155001:42:00,179 --> 01:42:02,099slurp all those shows into theindex.155101:42:02,130 --> 01:42:05,340Yeah, point the Slurpee towardsPoland. Yeah,155201:42:05,370 --> 01:42:10,500pod Slurpee dot info. Okay,here's another one podcast155301:42:10,590 --> 01:42:13,380podcast done info for curiokasseri says I think you don't155401:42:13,380 --> 01:42:17,100get my boost via curio casterI'm back on fountain. We got155501:42:17,100 --> 01:42:22,890them both. We got them both noproblem. We're gonna go pirate155601:42:22,890 --> 01:42:27,330huddle. 3333 through fountain hesays I like when Dave sings the155701:42:27,330 --> 01:42:34,050banjo music from deliverancecomb155801:42:38,820 --> 01:42:39,990my time in Georgia155901:42:49,260 --> 01:42:54,540man I love that song. Was that?Are those roads deliverance? I156001:42:54,540 --> 01:42:54,780think156101:42:54,780 --> 01:42:57,000that a read that music waswritten originally about Earl156201:42:57,030 --> 01:43:05,520Scruggs. Sounds right. Yeah.See, comb. Comb McCormick 1234.156301:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,490Through fountain he says it'sincredible how the first killer156401:43:08,490 --> 01:43:11,310Bitcoin app is actually multipleapps that opened the door to a156501:43:11,310 --> 01:43:13,980new economy that can besustained with consistent156601:43:13,980 --> 01:43:17,970consistency and authenticity. sohyped for podcasting rocket156701:43:17,970 --> 01:43:18,990rocket rocket rocket,156801:43:20,250 --> 01:43:28,200to the moon podcast, Value 100Value for value dot info. Please156901:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,900take a look, Gigi and I've beenworking on it. There's also a157001:43:30,900 --> 01:43:36,030matrix chat. And there's adocument that you can help it157101:43:36,030 --> 01:43:38,640actually, I'd never I could havefind out what that thing is157201:43:38,640 --> 01:43:43,200called at some incredibly coolOpen Source Editor. And so you157301:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,870have the rendered split screenthe render it's web based157401:43:45,870 --> 01:43:48,720rendering on the right hand sideand the left hand side is kind157501:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,800of like a Markdown editor. Soyou can you could click in there157601:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,670and you can and then it changeson the I gotta find out the name157701:43:56,670 --> 01:44:00,720of that is really, really cool.So yeah, and he's moving157801:44:00,720 --> 01:44:04,860everything towards matrix. Sothat's been my foray into matrix157901:44:04,860 --> 01:44:08,550and so far no one else has shownup but Gigi and I very very few158001:44:08,550 --> 01:44:12,030people as a couple but there'svery few so join us in the it's158101:44:12,030 --> 01:44:14,100on value for value dot info onthat.158201:44:14,670 --> 01:44:17,970Excellent whoopsie maneverybody's doing XMPP I guess.158301:44:18,900 --> 01:44:22,410Jean beans in his 1000 SATs. Hesays I love the idea of boosting158401:44:22,410 --> 01:44:25,530the source of the clips used onthe soundboard due to GB158501:44:25,650 --> 01:44:29,850and I saw something. There wassome ln project that did158601:44:29,850 --> 01:44:34,260something kinda like that, butit can be done. I mean, it can158701:44:34,260 --> 01:44:36,060be done today. Any day.158801:44:36,510 --> 01:44:40,080If it can be done, it will beThalia someone will do it. Abel158901:44:40,080 --> 01:44:43,380Kirby, Ada Ada, no note thankyou, April Kirby,159001:44:43,620 --> 01:44:47,040thank you. Boost, George Orwell159101:44:47,189 --> 01:44:51,749111 And he said through fountainand he says go podcasting got159201:44:51,749 --> 01:44:58,889it. Podcast. I'm gonna readthis. This is only 500 says but159301:44:58,889 --> 01:45:04,409the name of the user is Paul odpimp and he gave us a sweet yeah159401:45:05,339 --> 01:45:08,519it says like the OP three ideacurious if feasible in Germany159501:45:08,549 --> 01:45:14,819we absolutely call localizers depop Wilson is 500 says it's also159601:45:14,819 --> 01:45:17,699a nice and full name he saysKeep up the good work lads.159701:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,570Oh thank you. Thank you doinghow you doing booster. Auburn159801:45:21,570 --> 01:45:22,140Citadel159901:45:22,140 --> 01:45:25,710send us 50,000 SATs which is adeparture from the usual 49,000160001:45:25,710 --> 01:45:29,580That he sends and he sent it tofountain and he says booster160101:45:29,580 --> 01:45:37,980Graham confetti Thank you overCitadel anonymous through pod160201:45:37,980 --> 01:45:43,200verse is great work on value forvalue dot info. Thank you see160301:45:43,200 --> 01:45:48,150Captain egghead 1540 faststatsthrough pod verse again, he says160401:45:48,150 --> 01:45:52,290just adding name to previousanonymous 5451 boosts setting160501:45:52,290 --> 01:45:56,190lost during app upgrade. Okay, Ididn't see that one but160601:45:56,310 --> 01:46:01,290setting last you know and I justgotta mention again I'm finding160701:46:01,290 --> 01:46:06,210that I have to re authenticatethe LV wallet a lot everywhere160801:46:06,210 --> 01:46:09,540including pod verse a lotsometimes between shows where I160901:46:09,540 --> 01:46:12,360come back to a show and it'sgone some some161001:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,030local storage on that or somecookies or something161101:46:15,030 --> 01:46:18,930going on with it I mean it'slike I go to podcast index every161201:46:18,930 --> 01:46:23,430single time you go to podcastindex after a while then then161301:46:23,430 --> 01:46:24,780the lb window pops up161401:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,380yeah the needle look at that andpart of it161501:46:28,410 --> 01:46:30,510it's good part of it is just not161601:46:31,859 --> 01:46:37,0796969 sets from Hey citizenthrough pod verse he says161701:46:37,109 --> 01:46:40,739donating sets to the gettingdivorce back on board find love161801:46:40,739 --> 01:46:41,249and lit161901:46:41,370 --> 01:46:45,840shoulders what was it paycitizen and what was the other162001:46:45,840 --> 01:46:47,250one? What do you say is162101:46:47,850 --> 01:46:49,350Oh wait I just deleted it.162201:46:49,500 --> 01:46:52,800I'm sorry. Where you need whathis note again?162301:46:53,460 --> 01:46:57,930Oh, he's donating 6969 to theyget divorce back on board fund.162401:46:57,990 --> 01:47:02,580Oh okay, here we go. Citizen6969.162501:47:06,479 --> 01:47:13,349Loving lit 500 SATs. See that'snot that's anonymous. Oh, here162601:47:13,349 --> 01:47:18,599we go. 5552 three Satoshis dotstream. Any just has a smiley162701:47:18,599 --> 01:47:20,309face emoji. Thank you Satoshistraw.162801:47:20,310 --> 01:47:22,140Thank you. Appreciate that.162901:47:22,590 --> 01:47:23,370Now they've163001:47:23,370 --> 01:47:26,730upgraded right Satoshi Steve'sstreams on has a new interface163101:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,310outside of outside of163201:47:30,210 --> 01:47:33,510telegram is it live yet? BecauseI don't think it is.163301:47:33,540 --> 01:47:36,300Okay. Well, we're ready. Thenyou want we should get those163401:47:36,300 --> 01:47:37,020guys on?163501:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,340Yeah, we will if they will, youknow it's not it's it's an163601:47:41,340 --> 01:47:42,600anonymous collective.163701:47:43,290 --> 01:47:47,550Okay, no problem. The peopleover in Australia thought about163801:47:47,550 --> 01:47:47,820this.163901:47:47,820 --> 01:47:52,740Hi, I'm from Satoshi streams.Anonymous collective but we164001:47:52,740 --> 01:47:59,040really like that's all that'sall it takes getting old.164101:48:00,689 --> 01:48:07,769WDS 20,011 SATs David OS is fromarsonists blue. And he says love164201:48:07,769 --> 01:48:10,979Dragon Ball Z so really enjoyedthe episode with Kyle glad just164301:48:10,979 --> 01:48:13,619include my name in the boostmessage you either way go164401:48:13,619 --> 01:48:15,359podcasting WDS from RSA.164501:48:19,380 --> 01:48:24,360What's it gonna say? Oh, was itwas it chyron who ended his164601:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,760value for Value series two.164701:48:27,630 --> 01:48:30,630And with a million splits with24164801:48:30,630 --> 01:48:36,390splits and they all worked.That's fantastic. Like, does it164901:48:36,390 --> 01:48:41,430also work on the on thestreaming sites and by the time165001:48:41,430 --> 01:48:45,270you get done doing 24 payments,your next payment is almost do165101:48:45,510 --> 01:48:48,420is queued up. It's ready to go.Yeah, it's just it's gonna165201:48:48,450 --> 01:48:52,170that's what makes it current.That's why your phone is hot in165301:48:52,170 --> 01:48:53,610your pocket. is because of165401:48:53,610 --> 01:48:54,690this. Yeah,165501:48:55,499 --> 01:48:58,469definitely. Reason why.165601:48:58,890 --> 01:49:04,950Brian of London and hive Dao rewon 104,269 sets.165701:49:05,250 --> 01:49:09,930Oh, I think we got a baller forthat Oh, shot caller 20 is165801:49:09,930 --> 01:49:12,240blades on I am Paula165901:49:13,109 --> 01:49:16,199says ketchup donation becauselast week I was in Amsterdam for166001:49:16,199 --> 01:49:19,409high fest where everybody knowsthe name of Adam curry.166101:49:19,830 --> 01:49:21,180Yeah, they,166201:49:21,540 --> 01:49:26,280man I've had so many people,including the organization asked166301:49:26,280 --> 01:49:30,480me to come speak at BitcoinAmsterdam. What I'm missing is166401:49:30,480 --> 01:49:32,670someone saying here's a ticket.166501:49:34,170 --> 01:49:35,190That's a problem.166601:49:35,370 --> 01:49:38,340And this is what I realized witha lot of these are all166701:49:38,340 --> 01:49:42,390conferences, of course, but theBitcoin Conference, I think to a166801:49:42,390 --> 01:49:44,850degree the podcasting conferenceand you know, these things166901:49:44,850 --> 01:49:48,600should change a little bit.Because what happens is you get167001:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,330so many people who are in thebusiness one way or the other167101:49:51,330 --> 01:49:55,200consultants, etc, that it'stheir business, that they you167201:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,440know, they are either having anexpense account or they're there167301:49:58,440 --> 01:50:01,920for their business. but thenthey asked all these speakers to167401:50:01,920 --> 01:50:06,510come over for free and spendyour own money like I don't even167501:50:06,510 --> 01:50:09,930know if this helps podcasting2.0 anymore I mean it's like167601:50:10,530 --> 01:50:14,370well I mean when it was all saidand done it's about what's it167701:50:14,370 --> 01:50:20,700going to be for us about fifth1500 bucks 2000 For what for167801:50:20,700 --> 01:50:23,970that for both of us to go toPodcast Movement and spend the167901:50:23,970 --> 01:50:26,430days there and just gas moneyand everything.168001:50:27,359 --> 01:50:30,269I didn't calculate gas money butit was like it was like two168101:50:30,269 --> 01:50:33,539grand for our hotels and ourmeals that we charged to the168201:50:33,539 --> 01:50:34,289hotel168301:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,870which was not much I mean, itwas168401:50:37,410 --> 01:50:40,890you know 100 I was too busygetting dollars a gas for me to168501:50:40,890 --> 01:50:41,850get there and back.168601:50:41,910 --> 01:50:45,570Yeah, I don't I don't know whatI spent on that. There was other168701:50:45,570 --> 01:50:49,440stuff is not insignificant. Nowbut even fly to Amsterdam.168801:50:49,470 --> 01:50:51,960That's your ticket is two grand.Go. Yeah,168901:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,880yeah. And of course I requirebusiness169001:50:53,880 --> 01:50:54,390class.169101:50:54,870 --> 01:50:57,300Here it is required. Do169201:50:58,109 --> 01:51:02,849one for me one for my lovelywife. And a car I'd like $5,000169301:51:02,849 --> 01:51:08,189in a brown paper bag for ourlimo 24 hour limo security169401:51:08,189 --> 01:51:08,879detail169501:51:09,120 --> 01:51:14,370and all the green m&ms You knowa brother 2222 Road ducks169601:51:14,370 --> 01:51:16,950through laferla CMA says I willcatch up with bigger booster169701:51:16,950 --> 01:51:19,320gram in the near future. No I'mthinking of fountains169801:51:19,320 --> 01:51:26,250leaderboard see I'm thinking offountains leaderboard169901:51:26,250 --> 01:51:29,130intergalactic boom bust stickerinternational podcasting day on170001:51:29,130 --> 01:51:32,640September 30 And your certifiedpodcasting 2.0 t shirt. Recently170101:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,520I mentioned that new podcastapps and value for value during170201:51:35,520 --> 01:51:39,390the VC buzz Twitter chat. Allthe best Martin lindskog lecien170301:51:40,080 --> 01:51:40,530on Twitter170401:51:48,510 --> 01:51:51,810see Oh, no. The one from last mesays hi again. International170501:51:51,810 --> 01:51:54,750podcast. They use the right nameof the event on September 30.170601:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,470Okay, Dave Lee sorry for themisspelling. I wonder if I have170701:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,650the ducks in a row next Friday.Best primis Mark Linda Scott.170801:52:06,420 --> 01:52:08,580And we got the delimiter170901:52:09,090 --> 01:52:12,480calm and blogger Yes.171001:52:12,750 --> 01:52:17,94015,033 says he says howdy DavidAdam. Firstly, with marijuana on171101:52:17,940 --> 01:52:21,570top. Please don't carry waterfor Vlad the enseigner as he's171201:52:21,600 --> 01:52:26,820unelected dictator for 22 years.Secondly, and lastly, Geller171301:52:26,820 --> 01:52:29,940invited to our pod aboutartificial intelligence magic171401:52:29,940 --> 01:52:33,540called AI dot cooking, narratedby Gregory William Forsythe171501:52:33,540 --> 01:52:37,710Foreman from Kent in UK, justtype in your web browser or pod171601:52:37,710 --> 01:52:40,110catcher, AI dot cooking.171701:52:40,170 --> 01:52:43,560Yo, thank you comic stripblogger. And I love comics for171801:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,650bloggers weekly contribution fora number of reasons when we have171901:52:46,650 --> 01:52:48,930the delimiter. We know it's theend of the donation segment172001:52:48,930 --> 01:52:53,640because he always posts when hethinks it is time. And he posts172101:52:53,640 --> 01:52:57,750that he has posted and he alwaysposted all the splits were were172201:52:57,750 --> 01:53:01,170successful. And so that way Iknow. All the nodes are working.172301:53:01,170 --> 01:53:04,200I don't have to it's really it'strue. It's a great service.172401:53:04,530 --> 01:53:07,020There's at least one one morninga week, I don't have to worry172501:53:07,020 --> 01:53:09,180about the nodes running. Now172601:53:09,210 --> 01:53:13,080it it's not actually him postingthough it's aI at this point,172701:53:13,080 --> 01:53:13,410right.172801:53:15,330 --> 01:53:17,850Comics, your blogger is i Whatare you talking about?172901:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,370Yeah, that's true. So173001:53:21,660 --> 01:53:25,140I don't know if we carried waterfor Putin. But I'll certainly173101:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,890won't mention anything positiveabout Putin, if you start using173201:53:28,890 --> 01:53:34,470the term pod. Very good. In ageneral observation from a173301:53:34,470 --> 01:53:39,210native English speaker, it'sjust a general observation. You173401:53:39,210 --> 01:53:44,850do as you do, boo. When you postfeedback publicly to an app173501:53:44,850 --> 01:53:49,530developer, and you say, Hey,what's going on with your app?173601:53:49,530 --> 01:53:56,670The app? I for some reason, Iwant to strangle you. Is that173701:53:56,670 --> 01:53:57,300just me?173801:53:59,070 --> 01:54:01,710Noise if you strangled CSB, Iwill help you.173901:54:03,120 --> 01:54:07,290Whenever he's it's always like,why isn't your appy app in the174001:54:07,290 --> 01:54:08,160App Store?174101:54:09,359 --> 01:54:14,279Hey, yeah, I think I understandwhere he is. Let me174201:54:14,700 --> 01:54:18,060not his intent. I know it'snever his intent to insult.174301:54:18,420 --> 01:54:24,120Now this this, this is, this isthe apps I'm 100% sure that this174401:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,770is the reason he does that isbecause he's trying to make it174501:54:28,770 --> 01:54:35,940distinct from a web app. So he'ssaying this, actually. No, I174601:54:35,940 --> 01:54:41,760like that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Let'ssee he CSB die. He died like six174701:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,270years ago. This is all AI so theAI is just doing the best it174801:54:45,270 --> 01:54:45,510can.174901:54:46,050 --> 01:54:50,250Down in Georgia. Ai stands forsalt melts. artificial175001:54:50,250 --> 01:54:52,440insemination is what it standsfor down there.175101:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,280It's basically saying thank you.Thank175201:54:56,280 --> 01:54:59,190you comics for Blogger. Justjust constructive feedback. Just175301:54:59,190 --> 01:55:01,740let you know something I cancome across as a little weird175401:55:02,609 --> 01:55:04,559yes without that native app175501:55:04,590 --> 01:55:09,210yeah but now that I'm I'mregistered here at pod was that175601:55:09,930 --> 01:55:15,540pod kowski podcast podcast,podcast podcasting dot info go175701:55:15,540 --> 01:55:17,370learn more about your wonderfullanguage175801:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,570you're gonna you know runthrough that big playlist of175901:55:21,600 --> 01:55:22,710Polish podcast apps176001:55:22,740 --> 01:55:28,620how much it's a Swati these daysI wonder if that equals one's176101:55:28,620 --> 01:55:31,590Lottie you don't as Lottie is itPoland doesn't have the Euro176201:55:31,590 --> 01:55:32,760they have this Lottie still176301:55:33,149 --> 01:55:35,609this Lottie that's that's like athat's like their version of the176401:55:35,609 --> 01:55:36,779dirty Jersey horror.176501:55:36,930 --> 01:55:41,460Totally hear this Lahti theofficial currency and legal176601:55:41,460 --> 01:55:46,770tender of Poland. Let's see whatis the current exchange? I176701:55:46,770 --> 01:55:48,930always like to talk I alwayslike zloty and I thought they176801:55:48,930 --> 01:55:51,480were always super smart for notgoing with the euro.176901:55:52,770 --> 01:55:55,980So they maintain their owncurrency. Yeah, they didn't get177001:55:55,980 --> 01:55:57,120into the economic union.177101:55:57,180 --> 01:56:01,860No, wow, I'm good for them. Idon't know. There'll be the177201:56:01,860 --> 01:56:04,470monetary union the probablymonetary177301:56:04,470 --> 01:56:07,920economic union. Yeah. Monetary.That's Polish loss. Right.177401:56:07,979 --> 01:56:10,769Yeah. Okay, now we should dodigital zlotys.177501:56:12,240 --> 01:56:15,120It just sounds cool. But justhey, man, how many losses you177601:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,170pay for that slave?177701:56:16,469 --> 01:56:18,269Is it a pretty coin or is itugly? I177801:56:18,269 --> 01:56:21,599mean, it's Polish. Polish looks.177901:56:22,350 --> 01:56:25,020The South African Kruger is abeautiful coin. The178001:56:25,679 --> 01:56:29,759Krueger Krueger? Krueger? Yes.We all have a gold Krugerrand178101:56:29,759 --> 01:56:30,389somewhere.178201:56:30,870 --> 01:56:35,490Oh yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful.As as is the Australian178301:56:35,730 --> 01:56:39,810kookaburra. That is also a verybeautiful gold coin. Yes. Face178401:56:39,810 --> 01:56:44,580to have a couple of monthlydonors178501:56:44,610 --> 01:56:47,310before you before you do thathave a couple of lives that came178601:56:47,310 --> 01:56:51,600in 5000 from the east side,Tony, thank you guys for all the178701:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,800hard work. You all inspired meto start the defend the network178801:56:55,830 --> 01:57:02,010podcast, high school podcast,podcast, and Dred Scott comes in178901:57:02,010 --> 01:57:05,910with so many ones. I'm justgonna call it a forest of bamboo179001:57:06,330 --> 01:57:13,2901111116 ones or 111,111 SATslive boost boot and he wants a179101:57:13,290 --> 01:57:15,510boot boot. You got it179201:57:16,859 --> 01:57:20,969Drib hope you're feeling betterbrother. Hate that you're down179301:57:20,969 --> 01:57:25,679under the weather this week. Thelast week? Yeah, we get we get179401:57:25,679 --> 01:57:30,809some monthlies. Get David wouldfind $3 When Goldy $8 Paul179501:57:30,809 --> 01:57:36,659Erskine $11.14 Charles current$5 Michael Gagan $5 clone Gus179601:57:36,659 --> 01:57:43,559Buck $5 Christopher reamer $10James Sullivan $10 Shawn McEuen179701:57:43,739 --> 01:57:50,339$20 Jordan Dunnville $10 and podnews yield James Cridland $50179801:57:50,339 --> 01:57:50,819Thank you.179901:57:50,820 --> 01:57:55,950Thank you James. Very nice andI'll add Chad F with 33,333180001:57:56,970 --> 01:57:59,670attended, attended my firstBitcoin meetup last night good180101:57:59,670 --> 01:58:02,250times were had and I'm trying tospread the world of podcasting180201:58:02,250 --> 01:58:05,8802.0 also the host was at bitblock boom and said he really180301:58:05,880 --> 01:58:10,860enjoyed Adams value for valuespeech. Score again. Big score180401:58:10,890 --> 01:58:18,210can Can I just say that? Youknow, John DeVore X an improved180501:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,560understanding of Southernaccents. It's very nice to have.180601:58:23,220 --> 01:58:25,770It's gonna get a beat up somedayis what's gonna happen.180701:58:26,250 --> 01:58:32,130It's us. It's totally says, Bythe way, the goose that accent180801:58:32,190 --> 01:58:38,790of the get he was the directorof the place you were at down in180901:58:38,790 --> 01:58:39,270Georgia.181001:58:39,420 --> 01:58:42,420Oh, will Harris. Yeah,181101:58:42,660 --> 01:58:47,430that accent that's not a Georgiaaccent. That That's incorrect.181201:58:47,430 --> 01:58:52,620That's just an old South accentthat if you if you transport181301:58:52,620 --> 01:58:56,280yourself back to eight, you know1840 You're gonna hear that all181401:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,740over. You're gonna hit SouthCarolina, Mississippi181501:58:58,740 --> 01:59:00,510everywhere. That's not a Georgiahe181601:59:00,510 --> 01:59:03,690was born. He's fourth generationon that ranch.181701:59:04,350 --> 01:59:08,460Yeah, that's old. That's oldsouth. Yeah. And you usually181801:59:08,460 --> 01:59:13,410hear that either in in oldsouthern families who have money181901:59:13,860 --> 01:59:15,330or have been in politics.182001:59:15,990 --> 01:59:20,220Well, he goes That'sinteresting. So that that's yes.182101:59:20,970 --> 01:59:23,430I can see that he that he's verypolite.182201:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,010Very polite if you want to hearJohn Denson has very similar182301:59:29,010 --> 01:59:33,420he's a longtime Alabama Alabamalawyer in Montgomery which is182401:59:33,420 --> 01:59:37,410the capital city that's that'susually where you hear that is182501:59:37,410 --> 01:59:41,640by storied his history tofamilies of the South. I love182601:59:41,639 --> 01:59:44,309when you know to you attendedthe whole conference as well.182701:59:44,579 --> 01:59:47,999And so it was okay I'm gonnahave dinner and then he piped up182801:59:47,999 --> 01:59:56,609and said just so you know. Downhere we call it Sapa. Message182901:59:56,609 --> 01:59:59,969receives, we call it sub.Alright,183002:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,810I got a bunch more stuff but weneed to punt. I gotta head back183102:00:03,810 --> 02:00:04,170to work.183202:00:04,380 --> 02:00:08,280Oh, that's right. The summer thesummer of Friday. The summer183302:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,350tropical schedule is over. It'sno more.183402:00:10,770 --> 02:00:14,070Yes, it is. That's right. Yeah.Beautiful. Next week we'll talk183502:00:14,070 --> 02:00:16,230about phase six next weekbecause we get we need to183602:00:16,230 --> 02:00:16,980discuss that.183702:00:17,010 --> 02:00:20,790Oh, hot namespace talk next weekwas promo little promo,183802:00:20,790 --> 02:00:22,380everybody. Ooh, nice. Now183902:00:22,380 --> 02:00:25,620it's time for some hot namespace184002:00:25,650 --> 02:00:28,170next week. Next week, join us184102:00:28,530 --> 02:00:30,960appropriate because I had a Ihad a phone call with Dame184202:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,840Jennifer this week. And we did alittle hackathon. Oh,184302:00:34,439 --> 02:00:37,289it was also available next weekis going to be the board meeting184402:00:37,289 --> 02:00:40,499of all board meetings. I hopeeveryone has enjoyed. Dave Have184502:00:40,499 --> 02:00:43,409a great weekend, brother. Youtoo, bro. And everybody in the184602:00:43,409 --> 02:00:45,749chat. Thanks for hanging out.Thanks for being with us for the184702:00:45,749 --> 02:00:49,559live show. And we return nextweek for the official board184802:00:49,559 --> 02:00:53,429meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Don'tbe afraid of the status is just184902:00:54,509 --> 02:00:55,379everybody bye bye.185002:01:10,830 --> 02:01:15,390You have been listening topodcasting 2.0 Visit podcast185102:01:15,390 --> 02:01:17,880index.org For more information