Episode 100: Streamers and Dreamers

100:00:00,750 --> 00:00:06,480podcasting 2.0 for September2 2022, episode 100 streamers200:00:06,510 --> 00:00:12,090and dreamers everybody welcometo podcasting 2.0 Your weekly300:00:12,090 --> 00:00:16,620board meeting for the podcastingnext generation. Everything400:00:16,620 --> 00:00:21,360happening in podcasts index.orgOf course any developments with500:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,210apps wallets with posts with themost or maybe just stuff that's600:00:27,210 --> 00:00:30,540going on in podcasts index dotsocial I'm Adam curry here in700:00:30,540 --> 00:00:33,420the heart of the Texas HillCountry and in Alabama. The man800:00:33,420 --> 00:00:37,440who two years ago today saidSure let's build it. Say hello900:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,670to my friend on the other endMr. Dave Jones one time for the1000:00:41,670 --> 00:00:47,160one time one time for the No, Ihave removed it I have removed1100:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,090the air horn oh1200:00:48,090 --> 00:00:53,970you did? Yes. I've divorcedruined it he did overuse it he1300:00:53,970 --> 00:00:56,580did and he screwed it up for therest of us1400:00:56,610 --> 00:01:00,270he did it was just no good man.No good1500:01:00,630 --> 00:01:04,590are the channels down channelsdown channel down I think1600:01:04,590 --> 00:01:08,250because the podcast index dotsocial was blowing up while it1700:01:08,250 --> 00:01:11,280goes like the channels are down.We killed the channels what1800:01:11,280 --> 00:01:11,790happened? I1900:01:11,790 --> 00:01:13,950don't know anything about thisis blowing2000:01:13,950 --> 00:01:16,560up bonus up with episode 100.2100:01:17,370 --> 00:01:21,150Oh yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, thestuff that I've seen it all come2200:01:21,150 --> 00:01:25,410in and nothing's broken as faras I can tell. But I do hope2300:01:26,400 --> 00:01:33,210that Tanner helps his listening.Because I don't understand this2400:01:33,210 --> 00:01:37,080value for value stuff. You know,it just doesn't really work.2500:01:37,530 --> 00:01:41,580No, it just doesn't work at all.It's a failed experiment. We2600:01:41,580 --> 00:01:42,630tried. Oh.2700:01:43,410 --> 00:01:46,170Oh, I see what's going on one.Let me just count Let me count2800:01:46,170 --> 00:01:51,420the digits. 12345672900:01:53,550 --> 00:01:54,900sit Whoa.3000:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,1301,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott.3100:02:00,210 --> 00:02:04,230Shot Carla 20 is blades on amPaula.3200:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,040She's got on my channel3300:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,060status a okay. Oh, we're stillwe're still five by five we're3400:02:12,060 --> 00:02:19,320in fine as far as I know. Wow.Yeah. And you know, it's so this3500:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,030is this is a beautiful momentout there's sup Yo sup? One time3600:02:24,030 --> 00:02:28,380for the chimps in the 305 with a100,000 or one says yeah, this3700:02:28,380 --> 00:02:30,180will go on for this will go onforever.3800:02:30,450 --> 00:02:33,090This is gonna this is not goingto end well. This is going to3900:02:33,090 --> 00:02:35,130end with melted nodes is whatthis is.4000:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,950Yeah. This is one of thebeautiful things of value for4100:02:40,950 --> 00:02:44,730value is the numerology whenpeople it's kind of cool that we4200:02:44,730 --> 00:02:48,390have such large arrays ofnumbers to play with, you know,4300:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,810you do 1000 SATs, you can do alot of fun numbers with that.4400:02:52,770 --> 00:02:55,920Yes, I hear you 15 year oldswith the calculator upside down.4500:02:57,030 --> 00:03:00,030But you can do as many as youwant. Really, you can have 1004600:03:00,030 --> 00:03:05,190million, that's all fine. Butwhen people just automatically4700:03:05,190 --> 00:03:09,660we didn't say give us 100,000sat boosts. People just do that4800:03:09,660 --> 00:03:13,110it became a whole thing. This ishow it works. Pay attention.4900:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,660This is how value valuefunctions.5000:03:16,260 --> 00:03:20,520This this is a that is a perfectthat's a perfect way to go into5100:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,040that topic. me because I had Ihad written this okay. You know,5200:03:26,550 --> 00:03:31,170I wrote a bunch of notes aboutabout a bunch of things but here5300:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,520here's let's see if you go backto the earliest episodes of this5400:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,760show compare them to the to whatis going on on each episode now.5500:03:42,300 --> 00:03:46,020Yeah. The beat the feedback fromthe listeners that jingles the5600:03:46,020 --> 00:03:51,630boosts the things that we donone of that was any it was part5700:03:51,630 --> 00:03:56,790of any plan ever. The the thelisteners, the producers of the5800:03:56,790 --> 00:04:01,890show, did it they created theshow that they want. They know5900:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,910you have now graduated that I'mcurious value for value6000:04:05,910 --> 00:04:06,930University.6100:04:08,790 --> 00:04:13,620Yes, that not including the oddnot including the audience in6200:04:13,620 --> 00:04:18,210the show. If you don't make yourthe audience a part of the show,6300:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,740then they're your they're nevergoing to feel a part of the show6400:04:22,740 --> 00:04:25,170and they're not going to feelthe value connection. Yes,6500:04:25,170 --> 00:04:25,680you're not going6600:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,340to your mileage will varysignificantly. Yes. Yeah.6700:04:29,370 --> 00:04:34,650It's not a gimmick. It's not agimmick. The listeners create6800:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,900the show they help you createthe show.6900:04:37,530 --> 00:04:42,330And that's where value for valueexpands from time talent and7000:04:42,330 --> 00:04:46,740treasure because you can you canhelp in many ways.7100:04:47,580 --> 00:04:52,590See dub says don't consume thecontent become the content. I7200:04:52,590 --> 00:04:53,430like it. Yeah.7300:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,350I like it. And you know, I gaveit a gave it a stab at bit block7400:04:58,350 --> 00:05:00,900boom on if you had a chance tosee it's all He was really,7500:05:01,020 --> 00:05:03,960really low. So I don't know ifmany people watch the video.7600:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,610Yes, I saw I watched it in bitsand pieces all throughout the7700:05:08,610 --> 00:05:12,240week it was, I couldn't get oneconsistent time slot to do it.7800:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,090But no, it was good. It wasgood. You really7900:05:15,420 --> 00:05:18,690know it's getting tighter, it'sgetting tighter. You had a lot8000:05:18,690 --> 00:05:19,590you had more8100:05:19,710 --> 00:05:24,210freedom to, to, to do it inthere at that conference than8200:05:24,210 --> 00:05:27,390you did at Podcast Movement. Youalready get such a tight window8300:05:27,390 --> 00:05:27,780there.8400:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,350Oh, yeah, there was, there wasthere was no explaining value8500:05:31,350 --> 00:05:36,060for value at Podcast Movement.But this was also a room full of8600:05:36,090 --> 00:05:38,760Bitcoiners. So people whoalready kind of have an8700:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,200understanding of time value, youknow, these these concepts8800:05:43,230 --> 00:05:46,950that's kind of baked into aBitcoin owner, which I think is8900:05:46,950 --> 00:05:51,330why it's so attractive to me islike, okay, I get it. So it was9000:05:51,330 --> 00:05:56,640really easy to, I think. Yeah, Imean, it's a big concept for9100:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,110people. And I think unless youreally, that's why I love what9200:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,590Chiron is doing the value forvalue podcast, unless you really9300:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,790pay attention to how thisfeedback loops work. And I'm9400:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,540trying to come up with a greatacronym. It's basically it's ask9500:06:13,020 --> 00:06:17,850its repeat. Its ask,acknowledge, I want to call9600:06:17,850 --> 00:06:20,430somebody like ours, but Icouldn't. So I kind of gave up.9700:06:22,590 --> 00:06:26,400I gave up on trying to name it,once I can name it flow better.9800:06:30,270 --> 00:06:34,500You know, and it's, it's easy tomiss what is going on? Because9900:06:34,740 --> 00:06:39,180the main point is, it's yes,it's a way to, if I can just use10000:06:39,180 --> 00:06:44,040the word to monetize. But that'sreally incorrect because you're10100:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,280exchanging value, but it's just,you know, it's like, it's like10200:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,480Venmo just trying to explainsomething easily monetize, and10300:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,440it's a content format. And wehaven't figured it out for all10400:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,900for all podcasts, etc. I mean,there's no there's many10500:06:57,900 --> 00:07:01,200different ways of doing it. Butthe acknowledgement cycle has to10600:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,100be in there. It's like Texas,slim meat stayed overnight,10700:07:05,130 --> 00:07:10,110whatever it is slim drives fromthe panhandle to Austin, which I10800:07:10,110 --> 00:07:14,460think is like, like 500 miles orsomething. And he drives it a10900:07:14,460 --> 00:07:17,640lot. Yeah. So stop off inFredericksburg. You know, we we11000:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,170feed his horses and we we we putthem up in the bunkhouse11100:07:22,980 --> 00:07:27,900Where does what's the big cityin the Panhandle in? Amarillo?11200:07:28,410 --> 00:07:31,320Amarillo. Yes. And with theCadillacs with the Cadillac,11300:07:31,350 --> 00:07:31,710he's up11400:07:31,710 --> 00:07:38,970there. Yeah, he's up there. Andoh, yeah. And so he, you know,11500:07:38,970 --> 00:07:41,040he's, he's running value forvalue. And this is very11600:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,550difficult for him because heliterally is a cowboy. He grew11700:07:44,550 --> 00:07:48,510up as a cowboy. As a rancher, herode rodeo and professionally,11800:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,950he's been around cattle andaround just farm all his life.11900:07:53,250 --> 00:07:56,790But he then also got aneducation in telecommunications,12000:07:56,820 --> 00:08:00,060and he worked in I thinktelecommunications intelligence12100:08:00,060 --> 00:08:03,660or something. Oh, yes. AllAustin is spooky city. And then,12200:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,920and then after he broke hisneck, he got he got into into12300:08:07,950 --> 00:08:10,410food. What do you call foods,what he calls food intelligence12400:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,160anyway, so he's not a guy thatis not in his blood to ask for12500:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,850money. That's not how it works.But he was able to translate it12600:08:17,850 --> 00:08:22,500to his own personality into abarn raising. Oh, a barn12700:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,530raising. Yeah, everyone comesout and pitches in. Oh, okay. So12800:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,220so he got that concept. And thenhe got $1,000 donation from12900:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,490somebody, which was the largesthe's received so far and said,13000:08:32,490 --> 00:08:35,190Okay, you have to acknowledgethis. Yeah, that's a lot of13100:08:35,190 --> 00:08:38,340money. You got to acknowledgeit, because that also becomes13200:08:38,370 --> 00:08:42,240aspirational it it sets a bar,it's a community thing. You I13300:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,170can't explain. We need apsychologist. It just works.13400:08:47,550 --> 00:08:51,300I'm glad you mentionedpsychology, because it's so in13500:08:51,300 --> 00:08:54,690this I had a long discussionwith with Tanner, he actually13600:08:55,410 --> 00:08:59,580pinged me on or DM me onTwitter. And he does this from13700:08:59,580 --> 00:09:00,240time to time.13800:09:00,930 --> 00:09:03,870You want to explain what whatthe info the impetus was for13900:09:03,870 --> 00:09:04,680this ping?14000:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,330You know, I really don't know. Idon't, I don't really talk to14100:09:09,330 --> 00:09:10,170him. And we're not14200:09:10,350 --> 00:09:14,520what he wasn't, wasn't itbecause people were ragging on14300:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,210his post.14400:09:16,380 --> 00:09:19,230I think this I think he wrotethe I think he published the14500:09:19,230 --> 00:09:21,660post, roughly after we had thisdiscussion.14600:09:22,530 --> 00:09:24,060Well, you did a good job,14700:09:24,840 --> 00:09:31,230evidently, but maybe I didn't doas good jobs. But, you know, he14800:09:31,230 --> 00:09:33,840thinks me every now and thenjust, you know, once in a while14900:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,370and just talks about being veryvague, I think. I think he knows15000:09:38,370 --> 00:09:42,870that he's, I think he knows he'smissing something. And I think15100:09:42,870 --> 00:09:45,570there's a there's a mentalthing, a disconnect there15200:09:45,570 --> 00:09:48,210because I think he knows him.He's He's missing something15300:09:48,210 --> 00:09:52,860because it's clearly successful.Some and I'm speaking for him15400:09:52,980 --> 00:09:58,650unjustifiably as he sees that itis successful in certain15500:09:58,650 --> 00:10:04,440situations in say, whoa, whoa,why? Well, I think he's being15600:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,980intellectually honest. You know,as far as his understanding of15700:10:07,980 --> 00:10:13,200the concept will take him. Youknow, that's as far as I can15800:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,250say, because I don't I don't15900:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,040I don't know. I don't I thinkit's just blockage. It's just16000:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,640blockage.16100:10:17,670 --> 00:10:18,420I think it is,16200:10:18,420 --> 00:10:21,810I think his bucket and actually,I prayed for Tanner this morning16300:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,870and like, help him help him seethe light. I'm not kidding. I'm16400:10:24,870 --> 00:10:28,500not kidding. I am a leaky bucketon the ship. Now. It's like, I'm16500:10:28,500 --> 00:10:31,620not gonna get mad about this,like, how can I help him see the16600:10:31,620 --> 00:10:33,990light? You know, slim gets it,he had needed a different16700:10:33,990 --> 00:10:34,800paradigm.16800:10:35,940 --> 00:10:42,480I think the hardest part, for aperson. Thing who thinks like,16900:10:42,990 --> 00:10:48,600Tanner, as a podcast consultanttype in this kind of thing? Is17000:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,050they say,17100:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,500there's no money in consultingvalue for value thing. No, you17200:10:52,500 --> 00:10:54,870answered the questions. Youanswered the question. There you17300:10:54,870 --> 00:10:55,260go,17400:10:55,560 --> 00:11:01,110is the economics, economics ingeneral, but also, it extends to17500:11:01,110 --> 00:11:06,120podcasting. Economics is not amath problem. It seems that way.17600:11:06,750 --> 00:11:11,160Because, you know, we have to docalculations and keep Ledger's17700:11:11,160 --> 00:11:11,550and stuff17800:11:11,580 --> 00:11:15,180I net. By the way, Dave is anAustrian economist in his spare17900:11:15,180 --> 00:11:16,830time. I know this for a fact.18000:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,550We, the that is the Austrianprinciple is the economics is18100:11:23,550 --> 00:11:27,510not a math problem. It's abehavior problem. And when I say18200:11:27,510 --> 00:11:29,970problem, I don't mean likesomething negative. I just mean18300:11:29,970 --> 00:11:34,050it's a it's a behavioral thingto figure out. It's, it's why of18400:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,880Ludwig von Mises didn't talkabout math, right? Or models. He18500:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,270talked about praxeology, whichis the study of human behavior.18600:11:43,680 --> 00:11:50,100If if I offer if, if I'm aproducer, and I offer this offer18700:11:50,100 --> 00:11:55,560this thing or, or this sets, butoffer a thing, or this sets of18800:11:55,560 --> 00:12:00,900conditions are true, then whattype of behavior is the most18900:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,010likely outcome? Right? That'sthe types of questions you ask19000:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,740about economic things, you don'task? Well, if you know, p, you19100:12:10,740 --> 00:12:16,560know, p over you know, p over y,you know, on a on a slope of x19200:12:16,560 --> 00:12:21,390equal, that's not the rightthing. So when you when you see19300:12:21,390 --> 00:12:24,450somebody who's trying tounderstand the FBI, and they're19400:12:24,450 --> 00:12:26,790trying, they're putting it into,well, if I have this many19500:12:26,790 --> 00:12:31,800listeners, and I have this meat,you know, and this many are19600:12:32,250 --> 00:12:38,040engaged for this many episodes.And then I can get this sort of19700:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,520CPM on this ministry. So ofcourse, you've already you've19800:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,090already met.19900:12:43,170 --> 00:12:46,890Thank you. Thank you, we shouldhave been talking about this. I20000:12:46,890 --> 00:12:49,050know that this is your stancebecause we talked about it. I20100:12:49,050 --> 00:12:51,840think outside of the show, I'mso glad that you bring this up.20200:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,740But no matter how much, it's nota math problem, and no matter20300:12:55,740 --> 00:12:59,370how compelling you think themath is, you can write all this20400:12:59,370 --> 00:13:01,770stuff out and it can makeperfect sense. I'm telling you,20500:13:01,770 --> 00:13:05,490it doesn't work that way. AskMichelle Obama, it does not work20600:13:05,490 --> 00:13:06,060that way.20700:13:07,050 --> 00:13:09,810You know, had me up untilMichelle Obama, then I kind of20800:13:09,810 --> 00:13:11,640lost shows,20900:13:11,850 --> 00:13:14,400shows that you think you'regonna be successful and have a21000:13:14,400 --> 00:13:24,240certain audience sizes and thatOh, her? Yes. Both the21100:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,300aggregation in this, again,applies to all of economics.21200:13:27,660 --> 00:13:30,660aggregate numbers are onlyuseful after the fact.21300:13:32,010 --> 00:13:34,680Yeah, it's a modeling trailingindicator,21400:13:35,010 --> 00:13:38,010it is modeling them alwaysfails. That's why central banks21500:13:38,190 --> 00:13:41,430get it wrong. So often,macroeconomics is smoke and21600:13:41,430 --> 00:13:45,210mirrors. It's, it's notsomething that you can do21700:13:45,510 --> 00:13:49,290forecasting in that way. Is Imean, really, it really all21800:13:49,290 --> 00:13:52,680comes down to this. I think youhave to be I'm sorry, go ahead.21900:13:52,740 --> 00:13:56,220I was I was going to say anexcellent example of that was22000:13:56,250 --> 00:14:01,470cheerleader Trump. CheerleaderTrump had a way of I believe he22100:14:01,470 --> 00:14:05,100actually moved markets and pathsin positive ways because of his22200:14:05,100 --> 00:14:11,130incessant constant reaffirmationand cheerleading of the market.22300:14:11,670 --> 00:14:17,250Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah. What yousee it in the opposite way. What22400:14:17,250 --> 00:14:21,870happens when the with what washappening predicted yesterday?22500:14:22,260 --> 00:14:29,010was okay, if there's 100,000print on the jobless number,22600:14:29,790 --> 00:14:31,350then the markets are gonna22700:14:32,700 --> 00:14:35,040fly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And22800:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,770it's like, that's exactly whatyou would wouldn't expect to22900:14:37,770 --> 00:14:41,760say. But then the thinking is,okay. Well, if it's a bad print,23000:14:42,060 --> 00:14:46,320you know, on the on theunemployment rate in that means23100:14:46,350 --> 00:14:49,980that the Federal Reserve will bemore likely to do quantitative23200:14:49,980 --> 00:14:53,460easing or to go dovish,therefore, stock market, boom.23300:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,610It's like, right, right, right.That's all behavior. None of23400:14:56,610 --> 00:15:01,590that is math. None of it at all.In it You know, you have, it23500:15:01,590 --> 00:15:05,730really all comes down to ussubject, subjective value. These23600:15:05,730 --> 00:15:11,250are the these are economic laws,subjective value, you the value23700:15:11,250 --> 00:15:14,790of a thing is always determinednot by you, but by the23800:15:14,790 --> 00:15:19,470individual that's acquiring it.And marginal utility, the more23900:15:19,470 --> 00:15:22,950of a thing you have, the lessvalue you place on each24000:15:22,950 --> 00:15:29,070additional unit of that thing.Those two principles are not24100:15:29,070 --> 00:15:35,190math, their behavior. And if youdon't understand that, you'll24200:15:35,190 --> 00:15:38,100never understand value forvalue, because value for value24300:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,840relies on those understandingsof human behavior to function.24400:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,140And it's interesting, becausewhat you said there, I would not24500:15:46,140 --> 00:15:49,260have understood if I didn'tunderstand value for value,24600:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,550because value for value andaction, you know, 15 years, by24700:15:53,550 --> 00:15:58,050the way, I was just thinkingpodcast consultants. I'm going24800:15:58,050 --> 00:16:01,620to start praying for you too,because I have a land I guess24900:16:01,860 --> 00:16:04,860it's a group. I pray for groupscome on the podcast in 2.025000:16:04,860 --> 00:16:09,240people, no agenda, nation,people? I do. Yeah. But you25100:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,090know, Texas, slim would beseparate up, I pray for you all25200:16:12,090 --> 00:16:18,870the time. Keep them alive, Lord.Thank you. But I do I do. But25300:16:18,870 --> 00:16:21,870consultants, I always kind oflike because of this problem25400:16:21,870 --> 00:16:27,150that you just highlighted, like,you know, CPMs above I think25500:16:27,630 --> 00:16:32,820becoming a podcasting 2.0 valuefor value consultant, where you25600:16:33,330 --> 00:16:39,090in perpetuity, or in some scalereceive a split of that person's25700:16:39,090 --> 00:16:45,540value block. And I'll take youone step further. You show me25800:16:45,540 --> 00:16:48,810how you teach people value forvalue as a consultant, and I25900:16:48,810 --> 00:16:53,280will give you an official podfather certification as a value26000:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,230for value consultant for a subsplit of your split, obviously.26100:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,840But just 1% just one person.26200:17:01,500 --> 00:17:03,150This is like Trump University.26300:17:04,290 --> 00:17:06,030I don't know if it should beoffended or not.26400:17:07,980 --> 00:17:14,550Is it's get do a bunch of stuff.And then I'll give you I'll like26500:17:14,550 --> 00:17:16,110certify you like you're also26600:17:17,460 --> 00:17:22,830Yes, Dave, thanks for blowing mycover. But seriously, I mean,26700:17:22,980 --> 00:17:26,580think about why wouldn't youconsult someone help them with26800:17:26,580 --> 00:17:30,240value for value, help them honetheir pitch help them with, you26900:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,000know, the reminder, like anewsletter or some way that you27000:17:33,150 --> 00:17:36,000remind people is coming, youknow, the social media as a lot27100:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,510of different things. And thenfor X period, or whatever it is,27200:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,570you get put in the value block.And of course, you get your27300:17:42,570 --> 00:17:47,190value based upon how well yourclient does. This is not a bad27400:17:47,190 --> 00:17:48,000vocation,27500:17:48,330 --> 00:17:52,200that it's actually a geniusidea. That's a really good idea.27600:17:52,800 --> 00:18:00,600It's in it's just like, you'reyou're trying to find an analogy27700:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,990to that to happen to somethingbecause there's got to be stuff27800:18:03,990 --> 00:18:05,430that works that way already,right?27900:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,380No, no, no, not at all. No,there's no analogy to this. This28000:18:10,380 --> 00:18:11,460is completely new.28100:18:11,820 --> 00:18:14,640All right, let me try to showyou this. Sports.28200:18:15,629 --> 00:18:19,379So I don't know anything aboutthis. But okay, sports. Yes.28300:18:20,550 --> 00:18:27,510You could have maybe the analogyis like a sports. So you at the28400:18:27,510 --> 00:18:30,210elite level, you know, sick takesomebody like a tiger, would28500:18:31,380 --> 00:18:35,700they those guys still havetrainers and coaches? Sure. And28600:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,980they pay those guys and they getpaid good money. The better they28700:18:40,980 --> 00:18:42,390do, the more they get paid.28800:18:43,830 --> 00:18:49,260This is my this is my mistake.John and I are divorced. And28900:18:49,260 --> 00:18:51,960I've been doing this for freewith people for a long time.29000:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,980We're idiots. Of course, wedidn't have we didn't have the29100:18:55,980 --> 00:19:00,300mechanism. Now we have themechanism. This is this is29200:19:00,300 --> 00:19:03,510really interesting. I you know,I'm, I like this.29300:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,810I like that idea. It's a it's areally good idea. Maybe29400:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240Maybe you call it a value forvalue coach. I mean, that's29500:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,410probably a more accuratedescription of what it is. But29600:19:13,410 --> 00:19:16,680But anyway, it's very it'sverifiable, that the person has29700:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,290you in their in their split, youknow? I don't know, man, that29800:19:22,290 --> 00:19:24,780just kind of came to me. I'mlike, I'm seeing an exit29900:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,980strategy for myself. I get to 20podcasts that I'm coaching30000:19:31,140 --> 00:19:33,780negotiating podcast on podcastbroker in30100:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,070Nice. Shall we bring our guestsin because I feel like our30200:19:38,070 --> 00:19:42,960guests can contribute very muchto today's program, which of30300:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,220course is not even a program.It's a meeting of the board. And30400:19:48,150 --> 00:19:53,670so of course, I know our guestand I, I've seen I know his30500:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,100contributions, but I wasthinking that hold on a second.30600:19:57,150 --> 00:20:01,110What exactly does this guy doand Sounds like and I looked at30700:20:01,110 --> 00:20:04,680his LinkedIn and which I put alink to, but I'm going to read30800:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,120verbatim what Dave said. BecauseI thought this kind of covered30900:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,350it all. Host of the causalitypodcast owner of the engineered31000:20:13,350 --> 00:20:16,830network, the developer of thesound biter app, several31100:20:16,830 --> 00:20:21,390boosting scripts, including thecron boost, I think, has 2.031200:20:21,390 --> 00:20:25,020integrated across all of hisshows an early adopter of two31300:20:25,020 --> 00:20:28,080point stuff. And he's anAustralian ladies and gentlemen,31400:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,650please say hello to John Chingy.How's it going? Good day to you,31500:20:34,650 --> 00:20:38,400sir. Early morning for you. Iguess. What is it? 73031600:20:39,060 --> 00:20:42,810it is exactly. 730. Yes. So,thanks for having me on, guys.31700:20:42,810 --> 00:20:45,870It's it's a thrill to be onhere. It really is. Especially31800:20:45,870 --> 00:20:49,920on show 100 That's kind of blownme away. From the beginning. Oh,31900:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,100man.32000:20:50,100 --> 00:20:51,390Did you bring up a present?32100:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080I I'll just shove it down themicrophone. Hang on.32200:20:56,550 --> 00:21:02,700Yeah, me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hehas that Australian radio guy32300:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,410humor. Were you in radio everJohn?32400:21:05,670 --> 00:21:09,630Not not radio. Right. Notbroadcast radio? No. But my32500:21:09,630 --> 00:21:13,860radio? Not exactly. I've been anamateur radio operator for32600:21:13,860 --> 00:21:14,340forever.32700:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,790Bros 20 threes, ya know, right.32800:21:18,390 --> 00:21:22,530I kind of watch. What's yourcalls? VK 40 Double ly.32900:21:22,860 --> 00:21:28,230Fortunately, K for DWI. You'llhave to double i Yeah, you'll33000:21:28,230 --> 00:21:31,950have to go back through thearchives. Unfortunately, I had a33100:21:32,010 --> 00:21:35,010long long running conversationwith my significant other33200:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,960regarding putting up antennas inmy yard. And it didn't did not33300:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,310go my way. So yes, some somethings may have lapsed, but I33400:21:44,310 --> 00:21:47,100have every intention of revivingthem shortly. But that's another33500:21:47,100 --> 00:21:47,880story. Yeah, I33600:21:48,420 --> 00:21:51,780I just I just made sure we got abigger yard. I haven't set33700:21:51,780 --> 00:21:55,620anything up yet. But that come Ithink every every Ham has that33800:21:55,650 --> 00:22:01,140has that conversation. I haven'tlogged into QR zed.com. So long33900:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,540as you see if you're gonna havephotos on your on your profile34000:22:03,540 --> 00:22:05,370page. I'm a nerd. I'm a nerd.34100:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,130What is the big what's the bigantenna? The one that just takes34200:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,810up so much space? Is that a twometer?34300:22:13,470 --> 00:22:18,210No, that'd be more like 10meter. I'm sorry. 40 meter or,34400:22:18,540 --> 00:22:21,060God forbid, 80 meter is you have34500:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,740to stretch to use. They we usedto always the way we do a34600:22:25,740 --> 00:22:28,980distress the wire between liketwo trees in the backyard. It'd34700:22:28,980 --> 00:22:30,540be this bit take up half theyard.34800:22:31,320 --> 00:22:36,360Yep, I used to have a G five RV,which was a multiband dipole.34900:22:36,420 --> 00:22:40,230And it was it was pretty good.And I tried doing an inverted L35000:22:40,380 --> 00:22:45,390for 160 meters because I wastruly insane. And I ended up I35100:22:45,390 --> 00:22:48,270grabbed a capacitor out of anold TV set and I was using to35200:22:48,270 --> 00:22:51,000try and shoot it. Yeah, I didn'tstop to think that maybe the35300:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,030voltage there was a little highand I had up on the webbing of35400:22:54,030 --> 00:22:54,570my hand was35500:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,480gonna say like that can be like10,000 volts or something some35600:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,580crazy. Yeah, yes, I35700:22:59,580 --> 00:23:01,830have a little scar on thewebbing of my hands. So that was35800:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,120not a real ham until you've hadRF burn or something like that.35900:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,360We've We've all had that. And weall suddenly if I feel really36000:23:09,360 --> 00:23:15,210weird. It's one of thosemoments. Like half a kilowatt.36100:23:15,210 --> 00:23:19,410It's like, how do you? What kindof tingly? Okay, let's unki Oh,36200:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,670okay, maybe we should look36300:23:20,670 --> 00:23:23,430at what's going on here.Something is wrong.36400:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,180Very funny. Good times.36500:23:27,210 --> 00:23:29,970But anyway, I've been wanting tohave you on the show forever.36600:23:30,090 --> 00:23:36,900John. Cuz I mean, you've youwent into with both feet like so36700:23:36,900 --> 00:23:42,240early and just you have full onyou embrace the running with36800:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,080scissors ethos. Pretty muchright off the bat.36900:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,680I'm Brian embraced it before youcoined the phrase. Yes, you37000:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,640did. You conceptualized it, ifnot quite even if you didn't37100:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,540coin it. So yeah, no, you youstarted. Let's see we started37200:23:57,540 --> 00:24:01,350Wii for Wii U, or one of the thefirst Wii for Wii, a value tag37300:24:01,350 --> 00:24:04,710podcasts. I mean, you had tohave been in the first, maybe37400:24:05,010 --> 00:24:05,670five?37500:24:06,090 --> 00:24:08,880Yeah, I think it was in thefirst maybe 10 or so maybe does37600:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,020first doesn't. So I started Ilook back, and I was when did I37700:24:13,020 --> 00:24:17,940actually do my first post on itwas in December of 2020. And so37800:24:17,970 --> 00:24:20,850I then just for just for thehell of it. I look through my37900:24:21,420 --> 00:24:25,470and I guess that's my positionis that I own the whole stack.38000:24:25,500 --> 00:24:30,090So I like I host my own feed. Ihost in air quotes. I mean, it38100:24:30,090 --> 00:24:32,550goes by Cloudflare. So you know,there's that but you know,38200:24:33,420 --> 00:24:36,480anyway, so I used to go Hugo asa static file generator, and I38300:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,090wrote all my templates andeverything. And so I kind of38400:24:39,090 --> 00:24:41,370control the whole stack. So Idon't have to ask or wait for38500:24:41,790 --> 00:24:42,540Lipson or38600:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,610are you an email? Are you anemacs guy?38700:24:45,330 --> 00:24:46,650Oh, come on,38800:24:46,650 --> 00:24:52,080but but I don't like VI and Imuch prefer nano but this may38900:24:52,110 --> 00:24:58,290Yes. Sorry. No,39000:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,980you have to win. You have tounderstand that I grew up in39100:25:01,980 --> 00:25:07,020Marvel of these guys who wouldjust be their fingers are flying39200:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,030and I'm just looking at thescreen and like, this is like39300:25:09,030 --> 00:25:12,540magic. And I spent yearsdropping it picking it up39400:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,090picking it up. And by the time Ifinally got a little proficient39500:25:15,090 --> 00:25:17,250everyone's like glad nano bitch.39600:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,390Well, I will have to say, John,I saw a interview with John39700:25:24,390 --> 00:25:29,400Carmack recently. And he isusing Visual Studio so I don't39800:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,910was and he was recently askedabout like the Emacs and he's39900:25:32,910 --> 00:25:37,050like, he's like I tried it. Ijust can't get into it. I'm fine40000:25:37,050 --> 00:25:42,150with the you know, with being aFrou Frou Adiga not? I do not40100:25:42,150 --> 00:25:46,740need that in my life. Okay, Idon't need RC files in my life.40200:25:49,860 --> 00:25:53,280So are you doing video? That'sbecause you were fine.40300:25:54,150 --> 00:25:57,810Yeah, I did. Okay, you know,like, like, I have too many40400:25:57,810 --> 00:26:00,750podcasts I've done, I started alot of them, right, you know.40500:26:01,020 --> 00:26:03,990And so I tried the same thingwith video. And I thought, hey,40600:26:03,990 --> 00:26:07,260I could do a video podcast anddo value for value on that as40700:26:07,260 --> 00:26:09,990well. And so earlier this year,it was actually over the40800:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,780Christmas break, I had thebrainwave for inspiration. And I40900:26:12,780 --> 00:26:15,120did this little spin off, Iguess you could call it a41000:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,850pragmatic called pragmaticelectric. And there are a whole41100:26:17,850 --> 00:26:22,230bunch of very short, like, threeto eight minute long videos,41200:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,230post them on the website, putthem up with a with a video41300:26:25,230 --> 00:26:28,650enclosure in the feed, and allthe vapor value stuff and such.41400:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,920And I also put them up on myYouTube channel. But of course,41500:26:31,950 --> 00:26:34,890you know, that wasn't really theintent I wanted to set. So I41600:26:34,890 --> 00:26:38,640test the waters and it got some,you know, downloads I guess, but41700:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,490really wasn't all that popular.So I haven't got back to41800:26:41,490 --> 00:26:45,570unlimited five episodes and leftit there. So I might come back41900:26:45,570 --> 00:26:45,810to it.42000:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,210You have podcast debris is?42100:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,360Yes. So I had a I had a lookthrough my XML file and I looked42200:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,490at all the different tags I'veadded and actually you surprised42300:26:56,490 --> 00:27:00,000myself. So just to list themout. I've added locked Funding42400:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,730Value good social trailerlicense, medium chapter42500:27:02,730 --> 00:27:07,740soundbite images, location,transcript and person. Nice. As42600:27:07,740 --> 00:27:11,490always, yeah, because why not?Right. Yeah. Because I've been42700:27:11,490 --> 00:27:15,840podcasting since 2012. Ish.Although my first efforts were42800:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,710terrible. That's okay. I'vegotten better with age. Anyway,42900:27:19,740 --> 00:27:23,250I'd like to I'd like to thinkso. And when I came across43000:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,500podcasting, two point I wasracking my brain is how did I43100:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,600come across this? I just cameacross it somehow on the43200:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,620fediverse. I don't know how I'mjust glad. It was about I joined43300:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,560about episode six. And then Ilistened to the back catalogue.43400:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,710And I've kept up with every weekever since. And I'm like, Oh,43500:27:37,710 --> 00:27:39,690that's a great idea. I could addthat. Oh, that's a great idea. I43600:27:39,690 --> 00:27:42,690can add that. And I just, youknow, yeah, it just kind of43700:27:42,690 --> 00:27:44,280snowballed. And yeah, there yougo.43800:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,610When you don't have customers,and you can you own the whole43900:27:47,610 --> 00:27:50,790stack. It's so free. That's dowhatever you want.44000:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,560That was always our businessplan.44100:27:53,340 --> 00:27:54,960Yeah, don't have any customer.No customers.44200:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,000They don't pay us. They're notreally customers.44300:27:57,420 --> 00:28:03,990That's right. So what is your sowe were talking before you44400:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,640entered the border and what whatis your, on the vif on the value44500:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,390for value thing? Like? Youintegrate it into your show?44600:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,900Your show is your show isdifferent. It's it's unique.44700:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,160And, like, how do you I don't Idon't want to open ask an open44800:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,740ended question like how do youconceptualize V for V is more44900:28:25,740 --> 00:28:30,180like, I'm trying to understandwhat how you how you determine45000:28:30,180 --> 00:28:34,380how that you're going to put itinto the pitch or make it part45100:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,960of your show? Because I like, Ilike how you do it. I mean, you45200:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,980know, I'm a big fan of yourstuff. But what how do you as a45300:28:40,980 --> 00:28:46,320host want. Let me step back fora second. One reason I'm really45400:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,770wanting to have you on the showis because you're technical, but45500:28:49,770 --> 00:28:55,950you're also a podcast host. Andyou're a podcaster. And we don't45600:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,130we don't really hear we don'thave podcasters on the show very45700:28:59,130 --> 00:29:03,510often, that we have really moremore deep technical, like45800:29:03,510 --> 00:29:09,360coders. And since you're bothinhale, it's it's nice to hear45900:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,300what your perspective is from apodcaster side of things of46000:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,470value for value instead of juston the technical side.46100:29:17,520 --> 00:29:24,030Okay. Well, I guess the thing isthat I I never thought of it or46200:29:24,030 --> 00:29:28,620saw it as value for value byname necessarily, but it's46300:29:28,620 --> 00:29:33,090something that I know that therehas been referred to that way a46400:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,510lot by you guys. And Adam, ofcourse, historically, it's46500:29:36,510 --> 00:29:40,560something that's sort of becomea an ethos of sorts, I guess.46600:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640But the point is that, prior tome integrating all this stuff, I46700:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,120did have sort of loose feedbackmechanisms, I guess you could46800:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,180say and like if you want tosupport Shokan suppose on46900:29:51,180 --> 00:29:56,370Patreon, I started a Patreon in2015. When I launched the47000:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,340engineer network, as a concept,I guess you could call it more47100:29:59,340 --> 00:30:03,000than anything And when I didthat, I said, Look, I'll give47200:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,090you guys like anyone who's aplatinum sorry, hang on not47300:30:06,090 --> 00:30:09,540platinum, silver producer. Andabove all, they will get47400:30:10,170 --> 00:30:12,750acknowledgment like so I thankthem every episode that sort of47500:30:12,750 --> 00:30:15,960like an acknowledgement, theacknowledgement component of the47600:30:15,990 --> 00:30:20,970vase value. And it when whenthis VI vi came along, I hadn't47700:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,840really come across Bitcoin, Imean, I knew what it was, I just47800:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,140didn't dig into it. And you guysinspired me to dig into it. So I47900:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,920built my node and, and I startedto realize that what I was doing48000:30:31,950 --> 00:30:36,360for the longest time was kind ofa very loose, slow, very48100:30:36,390 --> 00:30:41,070platform dependents. Kind ofvalue for value thing. Because48200:30:41,130 --> 00:30:44,340if I'm, if I'm going throughPatreon, and Patreon decide, oh,48300:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,500you know what, John, we don'tlike what you said on this48400:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,020episode, because let's say I doan episode of causality. And48500:30:49,020 --> 00:30:52,620it's about, I don't know ExxonMobil, or I don't know. And it's48600:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,980critical of them. And they say,oh, you know, we don't like this48700:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,580guy. And we're just going to Dplatformed. me off of Patreon.48800:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,250I've lost all of my patrons, andI've lost a decent chunk of my48900:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,520income. So when I saw value forvalue, and I thought about, I'm49000:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,910like, Well, you know what, thiswould basically sidestep that49100:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,270issue completely, because itwould be almost impossible. I49200:31:12,270 --> 00:31:14,160say, almost impossible.Anything's possible if you're49300:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,010really motivated, but far moredifficult, which is why I like49400:31:17,010 --> 00:31:19,080it when Adam says it'scensorship resistant, is49500:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,560resistant, yes, non immune, butdefinitely resistant to those49600:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,110sorts of deep platformingattempts. And when I brought it49700:31:25,110 --> 00:31:28,230on, I just found it was anatural fit, just to simply49800:31:28,230 --> 00:31:31,470extend that and so I'm, forexample, now, Dave, you started49900:31:31,470 --> 00:31:35,640supporting causality throughrepeating cron boosts. And by50000:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,860the way, thank you for thatscript inspired me to write my50100:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,480domain, we're using our G RPC.But the, the idea is that now50200:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,940I've added you as well, becauseI have a script that then looks50300:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,040for that and says, yep, that'sthe monthly There you go. And I50400:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200add that to every show read now.And that's the feedback50500:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,590mechanism. So okay, I don't knowif that answered the question or50600:31:52,590 --> 00:31:56,460not. But I see. It fitted nicelyto be honest with what I was50700:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,050doing, and it's just made itbetter.50800:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,910So was it was the primemotivator there? Because I'm,50900:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,090there's two parts to the valuefor value, was the prime51000:32:06,090 --> 00:32:10,350motivator, the censorshipresistance? Or do you also see a51100:32:10,350 --> 00:32:14,160benefit to not structuringlevels for people and leaving it51200:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,030free and open?51300:32:16,470 --> 00:32:22,380I do like that as well. I guessI so I saw, okay, it's a really51400:32:22,380 --> 00:32:26,220good question. I have multipletiers in my Patreon. And I did51500:32:26,220 --> 00:32:28,410that so that people could feellike they could support at any51600:32:28,410 --> 00:32:30,690level that they felt. But theproblem is that they're still51700:32:30,690 --> 00:32:34,440predefined levels. Andultimately, you can't tell51800:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,090someone what something's worth,which is what you've just talked51900:32:36,090 --> 00:32:39,390about before. And so the valueof it also gives people the52000:32:39,390 --> 00:32:42,960complete, ultimate flexibilityto contribute whatever they want52100:32:42,990 --> 00:32:46,440on an infinitely granular scale,which is brilliant. And you52200:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840can't really do that, becauseyou can't have an infinite52300:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800number of tears and Patreon. Butyou can with a devalue, so to52400:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,100speak.52500:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,500Yeah, that's one of the thingsthat we're talking about in, in52600:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,950this conversation that I hadwith the, with Tanner was that,52700:33:02,610 --> 00:33:07,980you, you it's about eliminatingthe floor and the ceiling. It52800:33:07,980 --> 00:33:13,110really is like, when you I don'tthink this is hard for people to52900:33:13,140 --> 00:33:18,570I think get their head around isthat when you have a set price53000:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,880on something, it's not like,there's an illusion of control,53100:33:24,150 --> 00:33:27,630where you can say, where yousay, Well, I'm extracting this53200:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,380value from the from thelistener, or from the, you know,53300:33:31,500 --> 00:33:36,000consumer would or whatever. Butthis really doesn't work like53400:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,400that. Because if the price isn'tright, they just won't buy it.53500:33:39,540 --> 00:33:43,740And so, like it within themarket, that's, that goes back53600:33:43,740 --> 00:33:46,920to the marginal utility aspect.And that, that I think, is part53700:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,820the subjective value part of it,I think is easy to understand53800:33:52,290 --> 00:33:56,760them where the listener assignsthe value, the marginal utility53900:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,390part is harder to understand, Ithink, you know, in the concept54000:34:00,390 --> 00:34:06,270there for people that don't knowthat term is that when you ask54100:34:06,270 --> 00:34:10,080yourself the question, not whywould you buy something? But why54200:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,500would you keep buying? Why wouldyou keep buying more of a thing?54300:34:13,740 --> 00:34:17,340So something like, let's justsay that you have, you go to the54400:34:17,340 --> 00:34:24,330grocery store, and the hot dogsare on sale, and you buy in54500:34:24,330 --> 00:34:28,920there on sale for half price? Soinstead of buying one pack of54600:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,670hot dogs like you normally wouldyou buy two? The question is why54700:34:32,670 --> 00:34:37,830wouldn't you buy three or four?Or five? Like why would you stop54800:34:37,830 --> 00:34:41,130buying them if they're a reallygood price? And the answer is54900:34:41,130 --> 00:34:47,100because every time with everyadditional pack that you buy55000:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,710every additional unit, your yourvalue, your your perceived value55100:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,880of that thing, or your value youplace on every additional unit55200:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,130goes down. That's the marginalutility and In the the fact that55300:35:02,130 --> 00:35:06,270there's 4 million podcasts outthere, there's always something55400:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,470this, there's always somethingyou can listen to next, there's55500:35:10,470 --> 00:35:17,370no lack of content. So how doyou get your listener to not55600:35:17,370 --> 00:35:23,220only value your content, but seeit as unique as something that55700:35:23,220 --> 00:35:28,470is, it's not just another packof hot dogs in that's, that's55800:35:28,470 --> 00:35:34,050where removing all the barriers,removing this sort of artificial55900:35:34,050 --> 00:35:41,130ceiling and artificial floor precreates a range, this huge56000:35:41,130 --> 00:35:47,160window, where any perceivedvalue can be rewarded, not just56100:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,000predefined levels where you say,okay, in order to get, you know,56200:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,330in order to show me value, giveme value back, you have to hit56300:35:54,330 --> 00:35:57,360this threshold or this otherthreshold, which are arbitrary,56400:35:57,510 --> 00:36:02,100you, you remove the barriers,and then you show the listener,56500:36:02,310 --> 00:36:07,770the uniqueness and the valueproposition that you have. I56600:36:07,770 --> 00:36:13,170think that's probably the harderpart to understand. But when you56700:36:13,830 --> 00:36:18,120when, like, when you do like thecron job, here's here's the way56800:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,930I saw that when I wrote thatthing, and started sending out56900:36:22,020 --> 00:36:27,360cron job boost. I was a handMagic Mouse with you. I love57000:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,670causality. It's one of myfavorite podcasts is moment on57100:36:29,670 --> 00:36:35,280top three. And I was afraid thatyou would stop. I was afraid57200:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,600that if I don't support John,because they because I know that57300:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,720you Your show is very unique, itgives gives information that I57400:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,210can't get anywhere else from anexpert in the field. And also,57500:36:51,570 --> 00:36:54,690that it takes a long time and alot of prep. I mean, it takes57600:36:54,690 --> 00:36:57,450you I don't know how many hoursto prep in an episode of57700:36:57,450 --> 00:37:00,690causality, but it's clearly alot. And I'm like, You know57800:37:00,690 --> 00:37:04,650what, this will burn somebodyout. If I don't reward him, he57900:37:04,650 --> 00:37:08,010may stop doing it at some point.And the longer it goes, the58000:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,890reward is actually going to goup, because I'll get more afraid58100:37:10,890 --> 00:37:11,430of that.58200:37:13,380 --> 00:37:16,560Yeah, it's yeah, I look, Ireally do appreciate it. And I58300:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,440appreciate I'm grateful that Ihave people that are fans of, of58400:37:22,470 --> 00:37:27,060causality, you know, as much asyou are. I hear what you're58500:37:27,060 --> 00:37:31,380saying and the situation withwhy would I give what I stopped58600:37:31,380 --> 00:37:34,110doing or what I get burned out?The truth is, I already had kind58700:37:34,110 --> 00:37:37,740of had that burnout moment backin early 2015. And I actually58800:37:37,770 --> 00:37:41,400stopped podcasting for nearlysix months. And because I used58900:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,610to do pragmatic every week andice do similar at similar levels59000:37:44,610 --> 00:37:48,030of prep, my record was 40 hoursof prep for an episode. And I59100:37:48,030 --> 00:37:50,880was doing a day job and I hadyoung kids. And it was it was59200:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,460not a good situation. So I hadto just sort of like take a59300:37:53,460 --> 00:37:57,060pause. So the cadence I've triedto go for is every month and59400:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,030doing a monthly show, becauseweekly at that level of detail59500:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,060that like the level of quality Iwant to have in my in my shows,59600:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,810I need to put that time in. Ifeel like I need to I sorry, I59700:38:06,810 --> 00:38:11,730can't not do it. So but yeah, Imean, and the great thing about59800:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,750the way that they value has beenset up with booster grams and59900:38:15,780 --> 00:38:19,080streaming sets. And now we'vegot, you know, cron boosting,60000:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,060for example, for regularrepeated boosting is you've got60100:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,630the ultimate flexibility you canchoose how to support your shows60200:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,210the way that you want to. And Ithink that that is something60300:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,920that is just not availableanywhere else.60400:38:30,510 --> 00:38:36,540Oh, man, I love listening to younerds. I wanted to throw60500:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,420something on the table that kindof hit me it's really simple.60600:38:39,930 --> 00:38:44,700And I think kind of camebubbling up for me during our60700:38:44,700 --> 00:38:50,010time in Dallas. Like wow, weneed more people developing apps60800:38:50,010 --> 00:38:54,750and we need to somehowcommunicate that they're there.60900:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,210This is the hard part. I believethere's a market for some other61000:39:00,210 --> 00:39:04,410podcast listening experiences.And one that comes to mind is61100:39:04,410 --> 00:39:08,430what I'm calling the OMA app.And if you speak old Texan,61200:39:08,460 --> 00:39:13,590German Texan, OMA is thegrandma. And and it's an when I61300:39:13,590 --> 00:39:18,270envision this because I see itall the time on on TV. It's like61400:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,630look at this phone. It has hugebuttons and has a really loud61500:39:21,630 --> 00:39:25,770speakerphone. Like thejitterbug. Yes. Yeah. Like that,61600:39:25,770 --> 00:39:29,910like the jitterbug. Okay.There's a significant audience61700:39:29,910 --> 00:39:35,310that is just struggling a littlebit. Because it's still just a61800:39:35,310 --> 00:39:39,660little bit too. Most of thescreens are busy, there's clips61900:39:39,660 --> 00:39:42,660and there's all kinds offeatures. I'm talking something62000:39:42,660 --> 00:39:48,810really, really simple. Yeah,like, just simpler than anything62100:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,110we have. I just feels likethere's there's a market there.62200:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,960And I kind of know this becausethere's there's people who are62300:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,23060 and up there trying to, youknow, they listen to a Korean62400:39:58,230 --> 00:40:02,550zookeeper which is surprising itDNS turns out, and they're62500:40:02,550 --> 00:40:05,850really struggling in the trial.And as I can see, it's just62600:40:06,870 --> 00:40:10,140there's just too many optionstoo many triple button, you62700:40:10,140 --> 00:40:15,630know, triple dot menus that arehidden. It's just not a normal62800:40:16,170 --> 00:40:19,020discovery mode for I think, avery large group.62900:40:20,910 --> 00:40:24,990What? what's your what's yourdaily driver podcast app? John,63000:40:25,890 --> 00:40:26,790to put you on the spot?63100:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,710Well, I actually have two now.So Brian to podcasting 2.0 I63200:40:31,710 --> 00:40:36,180used overcast. But sincepodcasting 2.0 apps have63300:40:36,780 --> 00:40:40,380essentially matured and supportthe whole value of anything I63400:40:40,380 --> 00:40:44,370now run to so anything it's a asa streaming value app, I play63500:40:44,370 --> 00:40:47,040through cost thematic, andanything else that isn't goes63600:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,150through overcast because yeah, Ijust, yeah, just thematic.63700:40:51,720 --> 00:40:57,090Yeah, I'm the same way a go uppretty much live in cast ematic.63800:40:57,090 --> 00:41:01,350And then I bounce over toovercast when I need to. And I63900:41:01,350 --> 00:41:05,670think I think what I like aboutcaster Matic may be what you're64000:41:05,670 --> 00:41:15,690talking about Adam. It's the thetouch points. And a real big in64100:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,140its it just feels less clutteredand busy.64200:41:19,860 --> 00:41:22,710Crap. Yeah, this is the one Ireally don't use because I'm no64300:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,730longer I have no longer haveapple in my life project at64400:41:26,730 --> 00:41:32,190Apple for my life. Interesting,okay, that I can dig one up64500:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,010somewhere and check it out. Butbesides that, I just feel that64600:41:35,010 --> 00:41:38,760there. It's unexplored. I don'twant people to get caught. I64700:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,450don't want to be bashful aboutyou know, some other crazy idea64800:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,580you might have, particularly aswe're gonna hopefully talk about64900:41:47,700 --> 00:41:48,330music.65000:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,240Yeah. I'm gonna make you want totalk about that. Let's go. Let's65100:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,890go for it. Have you had someideas this week? And I talked to65200:41:58,890 --> 00:42:05,190the dystopia guys, last week,and I feel like we have a lot of65300:42:05,610 --> 00:42:11,730I feel like we have a lot ofroutes to music in. I'm not sure65400:42:11,730 --> 00:42:13,740how to make it go faster.65500:42:13,770 --> 00:42:17,130Yeah, this is what I've thoughtabout. Okay. So first of all, we65600:42:17,130 --> 00:42:22,620have as far as I know, one appthat has a music interface,65700:42:22,710 --> 00:42:25,710curio caster, I don't know ifthere's any other and I also65800:42:25,710 --> 00:42:30,300don't, I think this should be aseparate app. You know, Spotify65900:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,870is having a hard time puttingpodcasting into music. Why would66000:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,000music into podcasting be any anyeasier? That's just me. I'm not66100:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,870a developer. So I'm just layingout what I think would work for66200:42:43,500 --> 00:42:49,620a really didn't hit me until Irealized how big how over66300:42:49,620 --> 00:42:56,610capitalized and what a shitshow. SoundCloud is, man, you66400:42:56,610 --> 00:42:58,200gotta look at the you gotta lookat him we66500:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,930keep talking about they're likecorporate structure was messy or66600:43:00,930 --> 00:43:05,910something. Oh, my God, this somuch. So much money has gone66700:43:05,910 --> 00:43:08,940into this. And of course, whathappened is he had let me just66800:43:08,940 --> 00:43:18,420look it up for you. SoundCloud,Spotify, it is perhaps one of66900:43:18,420 --> 00:43:24,960the largest collections of musicin the world. But as it was,67000:43:24,960 --> 00:43:33,180it's been completely mismanaged.As I said, over capitalize, it67100:43:33,180 --> 00:43:36,570just listened to it's like, somany so much money went to this67200:43:36,570 --> 00:43:42,480hundreds of millions of dollars.And it was got huge. When it got67300:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,450really big. When not then therecord labels they tried to get67400:43:45,450 --> 00:43:49,980in, they bought another 75million here 75 million their67500:43:50,550 --> 00:43:55,260purchase, but not now. It's justa thing that just sit there sits67600:43:55,260 --> 00:44:00,180there. And it's kind of has nofuture here, but what they have67700:44:00,240 --> 00:44:07,470is RSS feeds with enclosures. Sohere's this thing. And shoot, I67800:44:07,470 --> 00:44:11,640just close it. If you look atthe stats of how many artists67900:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,190and I mean, it's kind of likeeverybody, I think every artist68000:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,210still has one or they stillupload their. You know what I68100:44:18,210 --> 00:44:19,980mean? It's like one of thosethings. You still have one,68200:44:19,980 --> 00:44:20,520don't you?68300:44:21,270 --> 00:44:24,840Yeah, it's like it's like a,it's like a MySpace account or68400:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,560so. Exactly.68500:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,980Exactly. But you know how itworks, you know how to upload68600:44:29,460 --> 00:44:33,990it. So if someone wants to 2.0enable their music, and this is68700:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,370hundreds of millions of artists.It's crazy how many people on68800:44:38,370 --> 00:44:42,690this thing. If they haven'talready. In their settings, they68900:44:42,690 --> 00:44:48,630have to enable RSS feed, enablethe RSS feed. And then the next69000:44:48,630 --> 00:44:52,890step would be an onboardingsimilar to podcast or wallet69100:44:52,890 --> 00:44:55,650except two things have tohappen. And this is what I69200:44:55,650 --> 00:44:59,970wanted to discuss because, youknow it's a shim, but unlike69300:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,830Like, when we started withpodcasting 2.0, you know, the69400:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,260hosting companies, they had theRSS feed, they had the69500:45:07,260 --> 00:45:11,160enclosures, we put the shim inthe value the value block shim69600:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,600into the into the index. If wecan add a shim, that when69700:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,300someone claims their, theirmusic wallet, that then we flip69800:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,780the bit on the medium tag tomusic, so every app now can69900:45:24,780 --> 00:45:30,630recognize Okay, and thenhopefully, that would drive if70000:45:30,630 --> 00:45:35,160not SoundCloud itself, otherplaces like this topia and other70100:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,910music sites to start generating2.0 compatible feeds with the70200:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,410medium tags set to music, andthen then I think we're off to70300:45:43,410 --> 00:45:48,300the races. Then how hard is itfor when amp to implement some70400:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,310of this stuff? You know, I waslike, Come on people, let's get70500:45:50,310 --> 00:45:51,600some energy into this shit.70600:45:52,230 --> 00:45:55,710Well, the the problem, the onlyproblem?70700:45:56,940 --> 00:45:59,370The only issue is why there'stwo of us. Yes.70800:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,230The only the only issue is thatthere would have to be some sort70900:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,560of you can't assume thateverything on SoundCloud has71000:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,830music, because it's not. So theSoundCloud can be anything. I71100:46:16,830 --> 00:46:19,200mean, there's lots of spokenword podcasts that are on71200:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,070SoundCloud. Just71300:46:21,180 --> 00:46:28,230then you can say, you can say itdoes. Does your feed contain71400:46:28,230 --> 00:46:32,610music tracks? And then you Imean, yeah, you obviously you71500:46:32,610 --> 00:46:35,490make it a choice? Because yes,some people actually use that as71600:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,210a podcasting platform. They haveentire instructions on how to71700:46:39,210 --> 00:46:44,070get your SoundCloud podcast intoiTunes. So I think we if we hand71800:46:44,070 --> 00:46:50,310them that one extra bit at theirresponsibility, of course, then71900:46:50,310 --> 00:46:53,790we can start developing musicapps or start integrating music72000:46:53,790 --> 00:46:55,620apps from from the index.72100:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,620What would that look like? Sothat would that look like on72200:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,440onboarding them in the same way?There's like a podcast or72300:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,010wallet? Yeah,72400:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,340exactly the same way could itcould be an app itself, we just72500:47:05,370 --> 00:47:09,690like, like fountain does itinteracting with us? And then72600:47:09,690 --> 00:47:12,450you say, and then there's justthis extra question that says,72700:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,250Is this a music podcast?72800:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,670Yeah, and explain it. You know,this means each each. Each entry72900:47:20,670 --> 00:47:23,340in your, in your feed is a musictrack.73000:47:24,180 --> 00:47:28,440Okay. There's something outthere. There's also something73100:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720out there that can, by the73200:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,410way, why don't we put that intoinput into podcaster wallet to73300:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,620just add that right in there? Ifsomeone has a podcast that using73400:47:37,620 --> 00:47:41,490a podcast host and they want toflip the bit to to music? Give73500:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,510them that opportunity?73600:47:43,170 --> 00:47:46,080Okay, yeah, so you're sayingleave it, almost like leave73700:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,330everything the same? And thenjust say,73800:47:49,620 --> 00:47:53,040under the hood, yeah. But weneed a different hood. We if we73900:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,330go down the road of now you cando music and podcasts is it's74000:47:57,330 --> 00:47:59,700not a good story. I don'tbelieve that's the way to go. I74100:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,650think we need fresh ideas, freshmusic, music players, music74200:48:04,650 --> 00:48:07,800apps. Don't try to confuse thetwo don't make it podcast or74300:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,420wallet now also for music. Driveeveryone towards the music74400:48:12,450 --> 00:48:15,120stuff. It's the same thing onthe back end. It's just you74500:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,920understand what I'm saying? Ifwe're gonna do music, it has to74600:48:19,920 --> 00:48:27,240be it has to be kind of divorcedfrom podcast. For it for people74700:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,080to understand.74800:48:29,250 --> 00:48:31,950There needs to be a differentapp. Yeah, well, different74900:48:31,950 --> 00:48:39,810apps, but also a different wayto to claim your wallet is just75000:48:39,810 --> 00:48:43,470a different music to point outwhatever whatever we call it75100:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,670music wallet.75200:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,450As musicians wallet. Yeah, it's75300:48:48,450 --> 00:48:51,810doing the same thing underneath.Yeah, with a split editor so75400:48:51,810 --> 00:48:56,700that they can put their writercomposer musicians who played75500:48:56,730 --> 00:49:01,890etc. Yeah, it'll needexplaining. It'll need writing.75600:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,660None of which we're good at.75700:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,430Speak for yourself. We're great.I'm great at it.75800:49:10,020 --> 00:49:12,930No, no, your job is to buildterrible Your job is to build75900:49:12,930 --> 00:49:14,820snazzy UI. That's your jobs.76000:49:17,430 --> 00:49:21,540Yes. It makes you well thenwell,76100:49:21,570 --> 00:49:24,810wow factor that UI wow factor.76200:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,150There's like 140,000 Spotlightjust posted. There's like76300:49:30,150 --> 00:49:35,400140,000 SoundCloud feeds in theindex. That's, that's a large76400:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,830corpus of the material to76500:49:38,100 --> 00:49:41,580that would be pretty good. Now.Now if we can reach out to those76600:49:41,580 --> 00:49:45,300people or, you know, once weneed an app, someone needs to, I76700:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,550mean, I think Steven B isworking on something dedicated.76800:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920It can be a web app, you know,as long as we get started with76900:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,690something, this is what we saw.We saw podcasting 2.0 and all77000:49:57,690 --> 00:50:02,370its glory really start to takeoff Very early on, actually. And77100:50:02,970 --> 00:50:07,140we had Martin from pod friend,he gave it a try, and it just77200:50:07,140 --> 00:50:11,220didn't work. And it's very hardto build an RSS feed generated,77300:50:11,220 --> 00:50:16,950particularly one that imports anexisting feed. And Steven B, he77400:50:16,950 --> 00:50:18,480fucking grinded through it.77500:50:19,170 --> 00:50:21,900And then he went through all theterrible parts and got to a77600:50:21,900 --> 00:50:22,980finished product peak.77700:50:22,980 --> 00:50:26,730And he got he got out the otherend. And he's got some scrapes77800:50:26,730 --> 00:50:31,260and bruises smells a littlefunky. But but it's it's that I77900:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290think once we could create ouronce we were eating our own dog78000:50:34,290 --> 00:50:38,190food on the on this show inparticular, then it really78100:50:38,190 --> 00:50:40,380started to work, it reallystarted to sing. And once78200:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,040anybody could just check out afeed and mess with it and create78300:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,610a pirated, feed and put chaptersin it and upload it to anchor.78400:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,390You know, that's when stuff, Ithink that's really when stuff78500:50:51,390 --> 00:50:55,860took off. So to have just aseasy conversion for SoundCloud.78600:50:56,490 --> 00:50:59,850And then moving forward, I cansee hosting companies doing78700:50:59,850 --> 00:51:03,420this, it'll be this, it'll bethe same path. But this is this78800:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,480is the way forward for a lot ofthis stuff. And I think people78900:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,600are just now starting to seewe're really at the cusp. I79000:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,090thought we were not we're reallyat the beginning of this if79100:51:12,090 --> 00:51:12,990people getting it.79200:51:13,320 --> 00:51:19,080So the SoundCloud thing is isthere. Do they on their side, go79300:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,410through the process of makingsure that it's not copyrighted79400:51:22,410 --> 00:51:25,080content? And yeah, they do allthat work. Yes,79500:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,220this is the beauty of it. Thatis the beauty as a police it,79600:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,920you know, but they also havelicenses and they have licenses,79700:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,820I think, where you can add stuffto your mix your hip hop mix, or79800:51:35,820 --> 00:51:39,330your samples that you put in.And that's, that's what's so79900:51:39,330 --> 00:51:42,240great about it. And they alreadywent through all the I remember80000:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,420this too, they went through allthe hassle of setting up the80100:51:46,590 --> 00:51:49,140somewhere I even I wasinterviewed, I think for the New80200:51:49,140 --> 00:51:52,620York Times, I said this isgreat. This is great what80300:51:52,620 --> 00:51:54,660they're doing. And then youknow, I don't know what80400:51:54,660 --> 00:51:58,170happened, but it was didn't getbought, get bought resold80500:51:58,170 --> 00:52:01,890refinance is a shitshow. Butit's sitting there as this big80600:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,840behemoth just waiting to betapped 140,000 feeds man, if all80700:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,740people had to do is just claimtheir wallet and and say yeah,80800:52:10,770 --> 00:52:15,270music boom, you got a prettygood, a pretty good base there.80900:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,190And musicians, they inherentlyunderstand value for value, I81000:52:20,190 --> 00:52:20,700think.81100:52:22,590 --> 00:52:24,690On a certain level there used tothere used81200:52:24,690 --> 00:52:26,370to be a core. So yes, this is81300:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,170as all artists are, in some way.81400:52:31,170 --> 00:52:35,160So I'll just keep revisitingthis. Because until someone does81500:52:35,160 --> 00:52:41,700I know we have what maybe youhave a 3030 feeds in there that81600:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,070have medium equals music set.81700:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,450Yes, not a lot. So once thatgoes up is a good, it's a81800:52:48,450 --> 00:52:52,110sandbox. I mean, we it's enoughto work with that to say thank81900:52:52,890 --> 00:52:58,380you, you know, I think this canbe I think there may be a chance82000:52:58,380 --> 00:53:02,370to automate this. And I mean, toa certain extent that I don't82100:53:02,370 --> 00:53:04,650mean I don't mean getting Idon't mean going crazy with it.82200:53:04,650 --> 00:53:07,770No but snip snip as you get.I'll be Flippity flop flop.82300:53:08,550 --> 00:53:11,190Yeah, that's exactly what I wasthinking flippety flip flip82400:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,860snip, like there's your lbFlippity flop flop.82500:53:17,520 --> 00:53:25,830So there's gotta be a way to tolook at the sound file, the look82600:53:25,830 --> 00:53:30,780at a sound file and say, Okay,this is spoken word. This is82700:53:30,780 --> 00:53:33,900music. I mean, the waveforms arecompletely different, right?82800:53:34,170 --> 00:53:35,880There's got to be a way toautomate that.82900:53:36,540 --> 00:53:40,740Yeah, but why not just do it.Just having it work is missing83000:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,080the point. If we don't havesomeone getting in there,83100:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,580getting into a wallet andsetting that up and starting to83200:53:47,580 --> 00:53:51,090see the beauty of plays comingin, then I think we83300:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,270I get you on that point. I'mjust saying that like if83400:53:54,270 --> 00:53:59,820somebody to take if you canonboard a person, and then they83500:53:59,820 --> 00:54:03,180don't have to make a decision.Like you don't have to go83600:54:03,180 --> 00:54:06,540through the process ofexplaining is this mute? Is this83700:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,780music and when I say Music WhatI mean is Is it a music? Is it a83800:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,110show that has music as tracksinstead of a show about music?83900:54:13,110 --> 00:54:14,970You don't have to go through allthat stuff. It's just like boom,84000:54:14,970 --> 00:54:17,070boom, boom, no, or whatever. Youknow, I84100:54:17,070 --> 00:54:19,590disagree. We need to turn itaround. We need to we need to84200:54:19,590 --> 00:54:27,600put that up front. This is formusic tracks. Yeah. That's it84300:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,800don't ask convoluted questionsdon't this is from music tracks.84400:54:33,450 --> 00:54:37,110Okay, here's here's a betterintro better explanation. It's84500:54:37,110 --> 00:54:37,560basically84600:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,650it's just it's just a it's likea button you have to press after84700:54:40,650 --> 00:54:44,640you've already asked to come in.Okay. I mean, it's you don't you84800:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,610don't need to explain at all ifyou're coming from SoundCloud84900:54:47,910 --> 00:54:48,960just ordered for this.85000:54:50,010 --> 00:54:52,260It's already down this hill. Sowhat Yeah,85100:54:52,290 --> 00:54:52,830clearly.85200:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,310What I say what I'm trying tosay is can Could you could you85300:54:59,670 --> 00:55:04,140like To double check them orsomething and say you onboard85400:55:04,140 --> 00:55:08,730them and you're like, this musicpod, wallet something.com or85500:55:08,730 --> 00:55:12,390something, you bring them youbring a person in, and then it85600:55:12,390 --> 00:55:17,610says, or podcast or walletitself says, Oh, hey, this these85700:55:17,610 --> 00:55:20,490tracks looks like music. Is thisa music podcast?85800:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,170Oh, okay. Oh my god, where didyou go to Silicon Valley on your85900:55:25,170 --> 00:55:29,910way back from Dallas? Did youstop off at the at the Frou Frou86000:55:29,910 --> 00:55:30,480farm?86100:55:30,750 --> 00:55:35,850Yeah. Okay, I get understandthat you're now insulting me86200:55:35,850 --> 00:55:38,760because I insulted you bycalling Trump University. So86300:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,980here's what I'm trying to say.Okay. In order I believe I could86400:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,970be wrong in order for this to besuccessful. This needs to be86500:55:50,970 --> 00:55:55,500divorced, not technically, notdevelopmentally, but but86600:55:55,500 --> 00:56:00,150musician and listener wise, hasto be divorced even from the86700:56:00,150 --> 00:56:05,370word podcast. Yeah, it's not apart of the podcast index. It is86800:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,690under the hood. But it's it's,you know, value for value eyes,86900:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,890your music already onsoundcloud.com? Oh, okay. What87000:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,030do I do? You get this walletover here. Okay. And now, how do87100:56:21,030 --> 00:56:24,000I prove that this is me? And youknow, we have to see if they87200:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,670have owner emails. I don't know.I haven't even looked that far.87300:56:27,150 --> 00:56:31,470And then good to go. Yes. Onelast step. Make sure that this87400:56:31,470 --> 00:56:35,670is only music tracks, yes, clickboom done. You're working. It87500:56:35,670 --> 00:56:42,150has to be if we if we roll it into podcasting, and podcasting87600:56:42,150 --> 00:56:46,9202.0 I think it's a mistake. Itdoesn't mean that I see these87700:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,400coming together later in mygrand scheme, where I can play87800:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,140music on my podcast, and put aportion of that into my value87900:56:55,140 --> 00:56:57,540split to pay. The artist isgoing to come back together.88000:56:57,570 --> 00:56:58,770That's the vision I see.88100:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,570Yep, I agree. I've just beensitting and thinking about this88200:57:03,570 --> 00:57:05,310on the side as you've beendescribing. No, I'm sorry.88300:57:05,310 --> 00:57:09,810We had a guest. Yes. Oh, Hi,there. I'm sorry. I'm passionate88400:57:09,810 --> 00:57:10,470about this.88500:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,310Oh, no, I love it. It's allgood. I mean, this is just a88600:57:14,310 --> 00:57:16,920paraphrase. There's two gaps.The first gap is how do you88700:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,120enable any musician to get amusician wallet on any hosting88800:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,970platform that start withSoundCloud, as easy as possible,88900:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,490we have a shim for that we reuseit, but we have to rename it.89000:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,520And then the second one is, theproblem with the apps at the89100:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,250moment is that they're allpodcasting focused, it would not89200:57:32,250 --> 00:57:35,640be too much additional work totake an existing app that's89300:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,970focused on podcasts and justclone that and rebrand it and89400:57:38,970 --> 00:57:41,400then focus it a little bit moreon the features you're looking89500:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,120for out of a music app. One ofthe things and if you do both of89600:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,090those things, then you enableyou close both of those gaps.89700:57:48,090 --> 00:57:50,490And then that, that inspiresmore musicians to give it a89800:57:50,490 --> 00:57:53,550shot. And I think that that isnecessary for us. We have to89900:57:53,550 --> 00:57:57,030solve both problems. Before itwill really take off but without90000:57:57,030 --> 00:57:59,940the shim, you can't even youthey have to, you'd have to say90100:57:59,940 --> 00:58:02,550them. You have to host on thisplatform using these tools.90200:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,310Otherwise, it's the only way toget a wallet. So yeah,90300:58:05,310 --> 00:58:06,180absolutely agree.90400:58:06,690 --> 00:58:09,420It may go further than that,though, John. And may it may go90500:58:09,900 --> 00:58:14,190to the point of I'm not surethat this even is you almost90600:58:14,190 --> 00:58:19,230have to you have to have the appfirst. Yeah. This this music app90700:58:19,230 --> 00:58:19,470has90800:58:19,470 --> 00:58:22,980to yes, you're absolutely right.And which is why I say we have90900:58:23,550 --> 00:58:27,000you know, Steven B and curiocaster, and I think he's working91000:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480on something but I completely itkind of has to. I mean, let's91100:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,380let's retrace our steps. Whatwas the first app that came91200:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,630online? Well, we had was thefirst one that came online. Day91300:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,810was it as opposed friend podfriend? I'm thinking with91400:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,790with all we had we were withvalue failure with that? Yeah,91500:58:47,970 --> 00:58:48,660that was wild.91600:58:49,860 --> 00:58:53,610swings, of course, was the firstone. Yes, yes. Yes. So we had an91700:58:53,610 --> 00:58:57,330existing system, which, well,there's an excellent example of91800:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,270something that should haveworked had all the elements, but91900:59:00,270 --> 00:59:03,870it was never branded as such. Itwas, well, this is something92000:59:03,870 --> 00:59:06,660else. This is not a podcastlater. Yeah. Yeah, it was a92100:59:06,660 --> 00:59:10,320channel. Yeah, exactly. So. Sothat's why it was hard to make92200:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,560that it had all the right data,you could have rejiggered that92300:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,030thing, and put everything upsidedown and made it a podcast app.92400:59:18,030 --> 00:59:21,000And I think, forget about theissues of how they manage92500:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,210channels and wasn't really setup to do this with92600:59:24,210 --> 00:59:28,260micropayments. But you'reabsolutely right, someone has to92700:59:28,260 --> 00:59:34,080really hunker down and getsomething that is compelling.92800:59:34,110 --> 00:59:37,800But also, I mean, I see these,like when HAMP, you know,92900:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,130they're still developed thatthing. Yeah, there's great93000:59:41,130 --> 00:59:44,250install base and lots of oldersoftware that can just93100:59:44,250 --> 00:59:47,400completely come back to life.Does that make sense? I didn't93200:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,840mean to insult you, Dave. I'msorry. I93300:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,690didn't know he didn't know I didnot feel that was just93400:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,820I felt like I had to make itclear that it's weird because93500:59:56,850 --> 00:59:58,920where are we going to talk aboutit here who's going to be93600:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,120working on it? Same people You93701:00:00,810 --> 01:00:03,120know, if I'm talking if I'mtalking like a Silicon Valley93801:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,220douche, it's all with this.Well, you're well, within your93901:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,340rights to call me doesn't gointo the floor for that. I fully94001:00:08,340 --> 01:00:12,450expect, I would think less ofyou if you did not. I think that94101:00:12,660 --> 01:00:16,680the app, this is a big askbecause the apps are secure. And94201:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,460he has to write them. Somebodyhas to write a, a podcast music94301:00:20,460 --> 01:00:29,490app. And like, I think you coulddo it. You could get a head94401:00:29,490 --> 01:00:33,660start on it, because there'salready open source code. That94501:00:33,960 --> 01:00:41,670part of the other side, and thissort of gets back to. To John to94601:00:41,670 --> 01:00:46,230you as well. Is part of thebeauty of part of podcasting.94701:00:46,230 --> 01:00:52,0502.0 is a project is that it hasspawned so much open source94801:00:52,050 --> 01:00:58,650code. So pod verse is completelyopen source and go. What is the94901:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,910any anytime podcast player iscompletely open source? That's95001:01:02,910 --> 01:01:06,240what is that your dog is mineletter that your dog? Oh,95101:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,920that's, that's my dog. Okay,that's banjo. In the meantime,95201:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,120player is also completely opensource is based on flutter. And95301:01:15,120 --> 01:01:21,240so that's what breeze used topull in. There's a lot of code95401:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,780out there that could be takenand repurposed into a podcasting95501:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,590music app. And95601:01:25,590 --> 01:01:29,190I'd say that the choice you'dwant to make early on is do you95701:01:29,190 --> 01:01:33,570just want to make a kick ass appthat understands what to do? Or95801:01:33,570 --> 01:01:37,740do you want to also do theonboarding part. And I would95901:01:37,740 --> 01:01:41,010personally recommend not to dothe onboarding part just yet.96001:01:42,570 --> 01:01:47,370But if I mean, I can't speak onyour behalf day, but I think we96101:01:47,370 --> 01:01:51,600could certainly fork off thepodcaster wallet into something96201:01:51,630 --> 01:01:56,550that then also sets the music,the medium flat tag to music,96301:01:56,970 --> 01:02:00,000that could be ready to onboardwe can test it I mean, you know,96401:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,670we get a SoundCloud account, ifwe can test it, if it works,96501:02:02,670 --> 01:02:06,780then you know, we'll do our joband hopefully someone else will96601:02:06,810 --> 01:02:10,200will jump in or find somebody orupgrade an older player. There's96701:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,240gotta be stuff out there thatcan do this.96801:02:13,530 --> 01:02:17,640Yeah, there's I think so. Youknow, I'm never gonna we're96901:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560never gonna write an app oranything like that. It's just97001:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,200not we're not No No, the onlything we're ever gonna do we97101:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,690need we need somebody else to dowe're going to do index the97201:02:24,690 --> 01:02:33,390stuff and in in ideas and but weneed somebody else to do this.97301:02:33,420 --> 01:02:33,720Oh, yeah,97401:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,010definitely. My grand vision andit's really comes into view is97501:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,130if we have that part if we havemusicians understanding value97601:02:41,130 --> 01:02:47,730for value 2.0 feeds the reasonthe what we're missing in the97701:02:47,730 --> 01:02:51,900music industry today is what theradio industry got for free.97801:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,540Radio doesn't yes, they payASCAP BMI blanket license, you97901:02:57,540 --> 01:03:00,690know, it's a portion of theirrevenue. That's all they pay the98001:03:00,690 --> 01:03:03,390not to pay artists and not topay record companies. It's only98101:03:03,390 --> 01:03:05,760the Performing RightsOrganization. And that's how98201:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,540music is brought to theforefront. It's it's promoted by98301:03:09,540 --> 01:03:12,930people who are either part oflike a top 40 format and you're98401:03:12,930 --> 01:03:15,840you're you're playing what'swhat's popular anyway. Or you98501:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,830have your college radio, youknow, kind of experimental98601:03:19,830 --> 01:03:22,050alternative, these are allthings that used to live within98701:03:22,050 --> 01:03:25,740our culture, and that withSpotify and, and really with98801:03:25,740 --> 01:03:29,550file sharing, that role wentaway. And that has now been98901:03:29,550 --> 01:03:33,360picked up by two companies. Butthe main one is tick tock. And99001:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,660all they do is they're in youknow, they I think I'm going to,99101:03:36,810 --> 01:03:41,370I can't prove it, but I'm prettysure they make deals to promote99201:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,520certain things over and overagain, but you just go ahead and99301:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,360look every single, even youknow, like Diana Ross has to99401:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,750have a tick tock these days, therecord companies demand it. So99501:03:51,750 --> 01:03:55,350we can bring that back and say,Hey, and we can put these99601:03:55,350 --> 01:03:59,520mechanisms to some degree intoverifiable stuff like I played,99701:03:59,610 --> 01:04:03,360I played your song on my show toanybody who either listens to99801:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,230the whole show, or maybe justthat, that segment of time,99901:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160which I could map to your valueblock. I mean, these types of100001:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,920things will become reallypossible and then we can really100101:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,850promote music again. Musicpodcasts are non existent for100201:04:17,850 --> 01:04:21,420this very for this simplelicensing reason, which we I100301:04:21,420 --> 01:04:24,720think we'll be able to solvewith some of this.100401:04:25,259 --> 01:04:29,489I can tell you, I had anyexperience the other day, we100501:04:29,489 --> 01:04:33,509were in a sandwich shop. Me andmy family went Monday night to100601:04:33,509 --> 01:04:37,379little sandwich shop down thestreet and ate. And they were100701:04:37,919 --> 01:04:39,929playing we were the only onesthere. They were playing some100801:04:39,929 --> 01:04:44,489music. And I was talking to tellthem listen, my wife was like,100901:04:44,489 --> 01:04:46,769you know, oh, this is your jam.You know, this is a band she101001:04:46,769 --> 01:04:50,609liked. And then it hit me allthe sudden I'm like, Oh man, I101101:04:50,609 --> 01:04:53,129hope they're paying theirlicense out their pain and ask101201:04:54,629 --> 01:04:57,599because at least two otherrestaurants around town recently101301:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,109within the past year I've gottenhit hard. You Yeah, for play for101401:05:01,109 --> 01:05:04,469playing it over the piece andI'm like, man, what? And it just101501:05:04,469 --> 01:05:08,879made me so aggravated like, wow,sucks, man, the state of things101601:05:08,879 --> 01:05:11,249sucks. And if, if there was a,101701:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,280okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna makeyou happy. I'm gonna make you101801:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,690real happy. Sweet. Okay, soinstead of looking at your file,101901:05:18,690 --> 01:05:23,100oh, I think you meant music. Sowe will get to a point where102001:05:23,100 --> 01:05:29,790people are streaming value forvalue music in their bar. And102101:05:29,790 --> 01:05:32,130people will be able to sit thereand go, Hey, I really liked this102201:05:32,130 --> 01:05:36,690song. Your phone will be able toidentify what song it is. And102301:05:36,690 --> 01:05:37,830then you can boost them rightaway.102401:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,080That Silicon Valley, you said Iwas went through so102501:05:43,770 --> 01:05:46,620I'm trying to see JaJuan cool.He didn't say cool about your102601:05:46,620 --> 01:05:52,650shit. Yeah, of course, becauseI'm a dreamer would be very, why102701:05:52,650 --> 01:05:56,130not? But think of, can we talkabout the stats package? We saw102801:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,860that someone showed us, Dave.Talk about that. I get I'm102901:06:01,860 --> 01:06:06,990sorry, man. Are we under NDA?Anyway, we saw a value for value103001:06:06,990 --> 01:06:11,550statistics package, which showeda timeline and showed how many103101:06:11,550 --> 01:06:14,760people know what was listeningwere dropped off boosts with103201:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,690booster grams, the whole exactlywhat you'd want to see. I mean,103301:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,960now just imagine if you shiftsome of these ideas, and you've103401:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,230got that timeline. And you cansee what song was popular103501:06:25,230 --> 01:06:28,740because you know, there was moremore boost to gram or boost103601:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,400activity during that time ismind boggling what we can do.103701:06:32,910 --> 01:06:36,480But we have to bring the musicin. And if you think podcasters103801:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,270are tedious, and they don't getshit and try musicians.103901:06:40,410 --> 01:06:45,060Yeah, I can only imagine. Buthere's here's the thing I still104001:06:45,060 --> 01:06:48,120have yet to understand is do anyactual human beings work at104101:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,530SoundCloud? Because104201:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,430they probably not. Very fewthink. I104301:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,370think it may just I think it mayjust be on autopilot at this104401:06:56,370 --> 01:07:00,300point. I think there may be.Yeah, yes. It's AI. It's like104501:07:00,300 --> 01:07:01,770two guys. Yeah,104601:07:01,919 --> 01:07:08,729it's very possible. And it's abig accounting office. I'll tell104701:07:08,729 --> 01:07:09,179you that. It's104801:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,160all accountants, it's allaccountants. There's nobody in104901:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,590tech anymore. And they don'tknow that they're not there.105001:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,040They just left. And all theaccountants think that the data105101:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,990guys are still there. They're105201:07:18,990 --> 01:07:22,410just little little simulators ontheir mouse and keyboards that105301:07:22,410 --> 01:07:23,850makes it looks like they'restill alive.105401:07:24,510 --> 01:07:28,590It's like the you know, wigglethe mouse every now and then. I105501:07:28,590 --> 01:07:32,640think this No, I'm 100%. I'm100% SoundCloud105601:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,760has evolved from a traditionalonline streaming platform to an105701:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,370entertainment company withpremium offerings, including105801:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,940advanced Audience Insights,playlists, pitching tools, and105901:07:41,940 --> 01:07:45,540promotional marketing resourcesfor its users. SoundCloud was106001:07:45,540 --> 01:07:48,870the first streaming service toadopt the and implement a user106101:07:48,870 --> 01:07:52,380centric payment model forartists called Fan powered106201:07:52,380 --> 01:07:57,900royalties. No la fan power fan,five, I found106301:08:01,170 --> 01:08:02,190a way to say second,106401:08:02,220 --> 01:08:03,420I know I'm bad.106501:08:05,430 --> 01:08:09,870The plot is, but this articledoes say Did they hope to be106601:08:09,870 --> 01:08:12,600profitable in 2023? Yeah,106701:08:12,630 --> 01:08:17,100good luck. So they got a SeriesA was two and a half million106801:08:17,100 --> 01:08:21,000euros and then somewhere downhere, SoundCloud announced in106901:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,660January 2014. It had commencedlicensing negotiations with107001:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,320major music companies to addressthe matter of unauthorized107101:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,020copyrighted material regularlyappearing on the platform.107201:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,800denouncement followed a round offunding in which 60 million was107301:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,730raised resulting in a $700million valuation. So they're107401:08:38,730 --> 01:08:42,090not so they're not even aunicorn you suckers. Let me see.107501:08:43,770 --> 01:08:49,6502017 SoundCloud announcedlayoffs went wrong wrong. It had107601:08:49,650 --> 01:08:54,390to reach $170 million greementfor some bullcrap. Let's see107701:08:54,390 --> 01:09:00,660where they are now. 2021 Theyannounced a new pay model. Oh,107801:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,780that is the fan poweredroyalties. Let me see.107901:09:04,290 --> 01:09:06,690I think a couple of months agothey Annette or maybe last month108001:09:06,690 --> 01:09:11,310they announced layoffs. No, nodoubt. Well, that's where that's108101:09:11,310 --> 01:09:12,630when the rest of that teampeople.108201:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,090Canadian electronic musicproducer Vincent earnings jumped108301:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,200to $600 a month up from 120 amonth under the pooled revenue108401:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,800model. Hey, that's a rip offthat whole thing sucks. You can108501:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,930do better with value for valuethan 120 bucks a month. Oh yeah.108601:09:31,020 --> 01:09:36,660Oh my goodness. For sure. Andand they they've I mean, we108701:09:36,660 --> 01:09:38,730don't have to worry aboutanything everything else it's108801:09:38,730 --> 01:09:42,150all set. So I think we justfigured out how to entice108901:09:42,150 --> 01:09:44,970people. You know what, once it'sup and running, we go into those109001:09:44,970 --> 01:09:48,030wiki pedia and we just edit thiswiki pedia trust me it works.109101:09:49,980 --> 01:09:51,960Put in there and podcasting 2.0music109201:09:55,620 --> 01:10:02,430the wood. So John, I can imaginesound biter. Yeah, for for me109301:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,250for music. I mean, like, youknow, that whole idea where you109401:10:05,250 --> 01:10:09,180take, you've got your catalogue,there you go. And you'd let your109501:10:09,180 --> 01:10:14,130fans create sound bites and givethem splits. There you go for109601:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,090for snippets of music that youcan use for discovery.109701:10:19,350 --> 01:10:21,810Hardly, yeah, why not? Why don't109801:10:21,990 --> 01:10:24,450we solved all problems with theworld? Gentleman, this is great.109901:10:25,170 --> 01:10:25,980It's so proud.110001:10:25,980 --> 01:10:30,150I just, I just want to add onemore thing, Adam to the idea of,110101:10:30,180 --> 01:10:32,220of making sure it's a musicfocused app, because I was110201:10:32,220 --> 01:10:34,830thinking as you're talking aboutwhat, and I don't want to hold110301:10:34,860 --> 01:10:37,950apple up necessarily as the thisis what we should all do kind of110401:10:37,950 --> 01:10:40,770thing, but cast your mind backto when everything was in110501:10:40,770 --> 01:10:44,880iTunes. And if you wanted to domusic, podcasts, you know, file110601:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,920transfers, absolutely.Everything was in iTunes. And110701:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,820then they split it out to amusic app and a podcast app and110801:10:51,060 --> 01:10:54,390an end and they separated themall out. And the research110901:10:54,570 --> 01:10:58,050suggested that people when theywant to go and do something,111001:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,660they want to go to the app thatis specifically tailored for111101:11:00,660 --> 01:11:03,630gas, because listening to musicis subtly different from111201:11:03,750 --> 01:11:06,240listening to an audio book,which is slightly different from111301:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,060a podcast, like I was thinkingspeed skipping, for example, you111401:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,040don't want to do that. And inmusic, that's a function that111501:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,950doesn't make any sense. Right,you know, is a pig's eye111601:11:13,950 --> 01:11:15,480absolutely needs to be tailored?111701:11:15,480 --> 01:11:18,810And actually, oh, no, totally.And, you know, there's things111801:11:18,810 --> 01:11:23,370that need to be worked on suchas, you know, chapters, that's111901:11:23,370 --> 01:11:28,050now of course, covers, and itcan be include lyrics, captions,112001:11:28,050 --> 01:11:33,510or transcripts, you know, weneed to I don't know how the112101:11:33,510 --> 01:11:36,360services do with getting lyrics,but you need to be able to112201:11:36,510 --> 01:11:39,660simply throw your lyrics insomewhere and synchronize it112301:11:39,660 --> 01:11:41,850with with the song I mean,there's all kinds of stuff that112401:11:41,850 --> 01:11:46,290can be worked on. But everythingis there, the namespace once we112501:11:46,890 --> 01:11:51,420the medium tag is what reallydid it as genius. That is, that112601:11:51,420 --> 01:11:54,720is the thing, and we've got allthe infrastructure set up112701:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,230everything is good to go. Andman, can we have a lot of fun112801:11:58,230 --> 01:11:59,370once we figure this out?112901:11:59,670 --> 01:12:04,170Will you take this Alex Alex forsolve this problem? Yes, a long113001:12:04,170 --> 01:12:08,430time ago, and yes, it and solvethis with for no agenda tube,113101:12:08,670 --> 01:12:11,820and saw that this was also goingto be a music issue, because we113201:12:11,820 --> 01:12:15,210can, you know, two years fromnow or a year from now, or113301:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,140whenever this happens, we cansay the we can just take this113401:12:19,170 --> 01:12:24,120exact discussion and rehash itfor audiobooks. And just do113501:12:24,150 --> 01:12:26,970like, because it's going to bethe same thing. Yep. It's going113601:12:26,970 --> 01:12:28,890to be you know, audio, movies,113701:12:28,890 --> 01:12:34,140documentaries, books, you know,we'll we'll need PDF readers, e113801:12:34,140 --> 01:12:38,460readers, whatever, totally, itworks. Well. Now, when I'm not113901:12:38,460 --> 01:12:44,610when I'm unsure of is how theAsk will work in music. You know114001:12:44,610 --> 01:12:48,660how you reward people, but Ithink that's where we can.114101:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,860That's where groovy littlewidgets like leaderboards and114201:12:52,860 --> 01:12:57,510super fan posters, and that'swhere it boosted grams, making114301:12:57,510 --> 01:13:00,510them public may make sense. Imean, there's all kinds of stuff114401:13:00,510 --> 01:13:03,000has to be experimented with isthere's no there's no right or114501:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,640wrong way to do it. Because ifyou're not getting any SATs,114601:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,380you're doing it the wrong waythat I do now.114701:13:08,010 --> 01:13:15,570Well, so play, play buzz cast,clip one. I think when people114801:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,050are voting with their wallets,we can see different types of114901:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,770shows come up to the top.Because all you really need is a115001:13:22,770 --> 01:13:26,400small audience that really lovesyour content, rather than a115101:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,940really large audience that isjust like, hey, being informed115201:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,700about the news is worth 20minutes of my day, one of the115301:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,970things I always keep coming backto is if we want to avoid some115401:13:35,970 --> 01:13:38,850of the negative things thathappened with the rest of the115501:13:38,850 --> 01:13:41,550internet, like becauseeverything was sucked into, like115601:13:41,550 --> 01:13:45,300the monetization strategy foreverything was ads. YouTube is115701:13:45,300 --> 01:13:50,250ads, news is ads. Everythingthat we do is ads. Were trying115801:13:50,250 --> 01:13:52,680to keep us on platform all thetime and give up tons of115901:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,840attention. So they can selllittle pieces of it to an116001:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,200advertiser. And we've just seenso many ways that that goes116101:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,300wrong. But if we want adifferent world, we have to pay116201:14:03,330 --> 01:14:06,600for a different world. And weactually have to vote for that116301:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,140different world. I know my threefavorite podcasts I pay for him.116401:14:11,400 --> 01:14:17,250Okay. Yeah, that that's, I thinkthat applies as well. Sure to116501:14:17,250 --> 01:14:22,410music, because we're going toyou know, the idea here,116601:14:22,830 --> 01:14:24,420actually, we can go116701:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,630well, it can if I can if I canjust say one thing. Yeah, sure.116801:14:27,930 --> 01:14:35,730What I love about the music ideais that I know in my heart, I116901:14:35,730 --> 01:14:41,880will set a rate that makes thethree minute song worthwhile for117001:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,720the person who gave it to me.Yep, that's exactly where that's117101:14:45,750 --> 01:14:49,200that's where it gets beautiful.I mean, I stream typically 200117201:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,290sets a minute to any podcastI've listened to, and which I117301:14:52,290 --> 01:14:55,680think is a good number. But ifI'm if that's my time, like117401:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,530Yeah, I'm this I'm listening tothis and it adds up at the end.117501:14:58,530 --> 01:15:00,480You listen to an hour what isthat? To117601:15:02,460 --> 01:15:06,120what is that tuner sets a minuteto under time? 60? This year the117701:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,160engineer will we have anengineer in the boardroom? So117801:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,830yeah, what can you do the mathfor us there? You should add up117901:15:10,830 --> 01:15:11,640all the zeros and118001:15:12,929 --> 01:15:14,009calculate an account.118101:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,120Is it 12,000 12,000 SATs? Am Isaying it118201:15:18,120 --> 01:15:23,670right? 20,000 rent? was 120,000for an hour test, would you say118301:15:23,670 --> 01:15:24,990200 times 60?118401:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,449That's 12,000. I118501:15:27,450 --> 01:15:31,680got my calculator 100. That was82.118601:15:32,070 --> 01:15:35,700So how much is that in in feeand Fiat fun coupons to have118701:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,210that as about as two bucksdelivered dollars dollar? buck118801:15:39,210 --> 01:15:39,570and a half?118901:15:39,570 --> 01:15:44,130I think I need to update a bit.But I read for music, like all119001:15:44,130 --> 01:15:47,130day long, you know, it's likeand some and some I would even119101:15:47,130 --> 01:15:49,860want to set it hey, if ifsomething comes through on a119201:15:49,860 --> 01:15:53,430playlist, and it's from thisartist or this band, automatic119301:15:53,460 --> 01:15:54,390up the SATs.119401:15:54,900 --> 01:15:58,380Okay, that's that's the partthat we don't get yet. Because119501:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,450I'm not trying to say that. Butwhat I mean is, like, there's119601:16:03,450 --> 01:16:08,670going to be experiences of waysto pay and ways to do these119701:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,270things that we can't envision,of course, and so we're taught.119801:16:12,450 --> 01:16:18,060So you know, you brought up whatabout the pitch and how the VC119901:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,550they're very different frommusic, very different, very120001:16:20,550 --> 01:16:23,280different, very different. Andbut but it will evolve, it'll120101:16:23,280 --> 01:16:23,700happen.120201:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,450And here's where the where thelit comes in. You know, some it120301:16:27,450 --> 01:16:30,630will be appropriate for someartists or bands or some120401:16:30,810 --> 01:16:35,400performers to use the lit tag togo live to maybe use that as120501:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,700fundraising or use that as aweekly here's what I'm doing or120601:16:38,700 --> 01:16:42,870progress report or whatever.With you know, with with live120701:16:42,870 --> 01:16:46,650booster grams. I mean, this isit's a lifestyle. It's the new120801:16:46,650 --> 01:16:49,980international lifestyle of valuefor value, and we're living it120901:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,710and everyone's gonna start torealize it's, it's a pretty good121001:16:52,710 --> 01:16:56,670way to do it. Because you can'tbe Jay Z and Beyonce anymore.121101:16:56,670 --> 01:17:00,390You can't be Joe Rogan. Youcan't be Megan Markel. But you121201:17:00,420 --> 01:17:04,830don't need to be. You don't needto be number one, the charts are121301:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,100ridiculous that it doesn'tmatter. Doesn't matter? And if121401:17:08,130 --> 01:17:11,250and if, and if you're able toget 1000 people who will only121501:17:11,250 --> 01:17:14,610use this one particular app,then you're golden. You know121601:17:14,610 --> 01:17:19,110what I mean? It's like, do youneed to be able to survive? I121701:17:19,110 --> 01:17:21,060think I told you right away,Dave, this is gonna be a lot of121801:17:21,060 --> 01:17:23,040fun. Some of the best work weever done, we're not gonna make121901:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,830any money off this, we certainlywon't be millionaires, let alone122001:17:25,830 --> 01:17:28,200billionaires. If anyone has abillion out of this, then we did122101:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,030something very wrong. That's thewhole point is value for value.122201:17:34,650 --> 01:17:41,160Yeah. Yes, I think the I thinkthe streaming per minute thing.122301:17:42,270 --> 01:17:46,140That's really, we get caught upin the booths. And they're,122401:17:46,170 --> 01:17:48,900they're fun. But I think thestreaming per minute thing is122501:17:48,900 --> 01:17:52,440really where the rubber meetsthe road for some of these other122601:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,280things like maybe audiobooks ormusic. In podcasting, it works122701:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,180because there's a quick, there'sa real fast feedback loop. Yeah,122801:18:00,660 --> 01:18:03,270it especially if you have like aweekly show or something like122901:18:03,270 --> 01:18:08,220that. But but on music, the perminute, and that's going to be a123001:18:08,220 --> 01:18:11,730lot of meat there. Because youcan really set you can say,123101:18:11,730 --> 01:18:17,550Okay, I'm going to budget thismuch actually play buzz cast,123201:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,510clip three,123301:18:19,440 --> 01:18:20,790clips, three,123401:18:21,090 --> 01:18:24,060but the value for value modelgives you the option to either123501:18:24,060 --> 01:18:27,030stream SATs while you'relistening, like so many per123601:18:27,030 --> 01:18:30,660minute, or you can just boostand so that is every month, you123701:18:30,660 --> 01:18:34,560could just deposit like $20 intoyour podcast or wallet, and then123801:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,360you could boost it out as you'relistening to episodes. When123901:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,070you're out of money. You're outof money for the month, like I'm124001:18:38,070 --> 01:18:40,200not gonna refill this walletUntil next month,124101:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,710I'm gonna discipline podcasterswho was speaking?124201:18:44,490 --> 01:18:47,370That was Kevin, Kevin. Kevin,124301:18:47,670 --> 01:18:49,170I want to kiss you on the lips,man.124401:18:51,990 --> 01:18:56,640That that per minute, that's agreat. It's just it's, it's not124501:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,430very, it's not very talkedabout, I guess it's the per124601:19:02,430 --> 01:19:05,370minute side of podcasting.Because the booths take the take124701:19:05,370 --> 01:19:09,390the limelight, that per minuteside on a music app. If I were124801:19:09,390 --> 01:19:12,210to be like, Okay, I'm going to,I'm going to take that 10 bucks124901:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,500a month that I spend on Spotifyor 15 or whatever. And I'm going125001:19:16,500 --> 01:19:21,420to put $15 You know, not toointo the podcast music side of125101:19:21,420 --> 01:19:25,920things and it's just alwaysstreaming in every if, you know125201:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,180if everybody if that becomes thelifestyle, then that's real125301:19:30,180 --> 01:19:30,600money,125401:19:30,660 --> 01:19:34,860but I also absolutely, and Ialso see, you know, like Merkle125501:19:34,860 --> 01:19:39,300tree type stuff where if I if Iturn someone on to a band, I can125601:19:39,300 --> 01:19:42,540get some reward for that. Imean, I know we can go deep on125701:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,290this stuff. I know it it's whatit's actually probably what they125801:19:46,290 --> 01:19:51,900wanted pink to be number apples,social network ping mean, I125901:19:51,900 --> 01:19:54,180think these these things arepossible. I just get really126001:19:54,180 --> 01:19:57,690jazzed by the idea and there'sso much this. You think there126101:19:57,690 --> 01:20:00,180was pent up energy forpodcasting, waiting to see With126201:20:00,180 --> 01:20:03,240the musicians are ready to do,and they understand kind of126301:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,870being, you know, they understandasking for sure. But then once126401:20:06,870 --> 01:20:10,560we have that flying man, we canintegrate it and I look out.126501:20:10,890 --> 01:20:11,340Look,126601:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,830what's what's your John, what isyour split with him when it126701:20:16,830 --> 01:20:20,880comes to like this versusstraight streaming says I'm126801:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,330imagining that your streaming isprobably higher. But that's just126901:20:24,330 --> 01:20:24,990a guess.127001:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,220No actually I tend to do I tendto do it the other way around, I127101:20:29,220 --> 01:20:32,850tend to do a lower averagestreaming, but then I boost when127201:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,200at Well, I used to boost atstrategic moments versus a you127301:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,560know, like, oh, yeah, that'sawesome. And I didn't generally127401:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,900send booster grams, because whenyou're in the moment, you just127501:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,270want to boost you don't want tosit there and compose something.127601:20:45,509 --> 01:20:47,879And but I was actually talkingabout your income, like your127701:20:48,449 --> 01:20:50,879pocket? Where I'm sorry,127801:20:50,910 --> 01:20:52,920I always lose when I'm in themoment too.127901:20:55,380 --> 01:20:58,920Anyway, okay, so sorry, theother way around it you have128001:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,330stats on this? I'm not in frontof me. No, I have held up and I128101:21:03,330 --> 01:21:06,600should probably download a CSVand have a look for you. But I128201:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,940tend to get so I will getregular boosts oddly every week?128301:21:11,970 --> 01:21:16,290I'm not sure. Anyway. So but Ido get this background128401:21:16,290 --> 01:21:18,960streaming. And the thing is, youcan tell whichever comes from128501:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,480based on how it's groupedtogether, because different apps128601:21:21,480 --> 01:21:25,380will give you a differentbecause they don't all stream at128701:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,360exactly the same per minutethey'll bundle it up and then128801:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,900send it in one hit in atransaction. So like batching128901:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,170Yes, batch it. Yes. Well, theanswer the question129001:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,410the having an umbrella at homeand watching value for value129101:21:37,410 --> 01:21:40,860come in and then realizing thatyou're getting more Satoshis per129201:21:40,860 --> 01:21:44,640month and from your two s ninemining machines says a lot.129301:21:45,480 --> 01:21:51,540Yeah, says a lot. That'd becool. It's true. Yeah, shall we129401:21:51,540 --> 01:21:55,560thank a few people because we'rejust rambling on here and they129501:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,200want to read some Yeah, I'd liketo read some of these that came129601:21:58,200 --> 01:22:03,270in some of the some of thebooster grams from our lips. We129701:22:03,270 --> 01:22:08,820got everyone there in the in thein the chat room. Okay, okay. My129801:22:08,820 --> 01:22:14,220goodness is a lot that came in100,100 Satoshis from chyron.129901:22:14,220 --> 01:22:18,780Mere Mortals podcast. I've beenblessed a special number episode130001:22:18,810 --> 01:22:22,620and at a time I can join I wasactually explaining P two o at a130101:22:22,620 --> 01:22:25,500crypto meetup recently andpeople really got it when I130201:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,260related how splits could be usedfor musicians and app to show130301:22:28,260 --> 01:22:32,400them at the same time would beamazing. Nice. That's right.130401:22:33,330 --> 01:22:40,020There's Mary Oscar blowing 100at us. 17,776 from blueberry.130501:22:40,500 --> 01:22:45,510hella hella boosts CLI pilled.Man. Okay, that is from the130601:22:45,510 --> 01:22:52,170boost CLI. Billy Bones comes inwas 233 threes and he says thank130701:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,840you all for creating podcastsand 2.0 You need to thank130801:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,130everybody including you abilitybones, D Dubs. 1010. Boost CLI130901:22:59,130 --> 01:23:02,730supports nano vi Max emacs orwhatever you have set as131001:23:02,730 --> 01:23:11,010default. Yes, I will have to trythe boost CLI with Emacs. source131101:23:11,010 --> 01:23:17,100D vim for life. Okay, now we'regetting into the jihad. Eric p p131201:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,560at 100,100 SATs happy 100 showthank you very much. Pay tar131301:23:22,620 --> 01:23:29,820123456 1 million Satoshis.131401:23:29,820 --> 01:23:34,800Oh 20 is Blaze on am Paula happy131501:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,790100 Go podcast. Wow. Thank youguys. Thank you. Thank you see131601:23:41,790 --> 01:23:46,890Brooklyn 3333. Then we have MikeNewman. And Mike comes in with131701:23:46,890 --> 01:23:55,410133,333. He says I hear JohnChinggis in the lobby. He was131801:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,770yeah he I think he knocked overa trash can or something people131901:23:58,770 --> 01:24:03,390got his causality show is great.And it makes sense he guest on132001:24:03,390 --> 01:24:07,530episode 100 Great use of 2.0Cheers, John. One of my goals is132101:24:07,530 --> 01:24:10,470to implement as many tags as Ican in my little jalopy of a132201:24:10,470 --> 01:24:14,820podcast that Mike Newman show.That's Mike Newman Dutch knife132301:24:14,820 --> 01:24:20,610Mike Newman dot show. Mi ke n eu m a n n dot show I've enjoyed132401:24:20,610 --> 01:24:23,580testing all sorts of tech thisyear alone and meeting so many132501:24:23,580 --> 01:24:25,920of the PC two Oh crew in Dallaslast week.132601:24:26,340 --> 01:24:30,330This was great St. Joseph Gracieand Mike in the in Dallas.132701:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,840That's always what a conferenceis great for. This thing is just132801:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,290getting started. Thanks toy'all. I like this ship says132901:24:37,290 --> 01:24:43,170Mike. Blueberries mic 100,000Satoshis air horn air horn air133001:24:43,170 --> 01:24:49,020horn one of the first things Iasked myself beginning 2020 was133101:24:49,020 --> 01:24:50,820what the hell is RSS feed?133201:24:52,890 --> 01:24:54,900It's well you now know okay,it's133301:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,780doomed. It's been a sick ride.Thank you both and everyone for133401:24:57,780 --> 01:25:02,430the deep well of knowledge pewpew MoPhO Oh there we go pew pew133501:25:02,430 --> 01:25:08,040mofos and then he has a oh hehasn't URL here with an mp3133601:25:08,040 --> 01:25:08,760file.133701:25:08,850 --> 01:25:09,720Yeah Lord133801:25:09,750 --> 01:25:13,260yeah well I mean we might aswell do it this way Come on.133901:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,920course I'll do it what was theoh here it was hold on does that134001:25:16,920 --> 01:25:23,970name Jennifer hola que thinkthat was dead Jennifer. Okay134101:25:23,970 --> 01:25:28,320that was highly inappropriateblueberry thanks 1000 from Chad134201:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,580F Steven B 222,220.134301:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,830Shot Caller 20 is blades on amPaula Steven134401:25:37,830 --> 01:25:41,130B from Kira caster says Happysecond birthday. Thank you.134501:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,180Thank you brother. 1000 SATsagain from blueberry. See dubs134601:25:45,180 --> 01:25:51,750it's 2133 a boob from source DYeah 808 We got you. Then we I134701:25:51,750 --> 01:25:55,410think we did this one. Sup? Sup?Yo, sup? Yes. Time for the134801:25:55,410 --> 01:26:01,680champion the 305 that is 100,001SATs. We have our podcast134901:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,920listening live during my micduring my kids taekwondo135001:26:04,920 --> 01:26:10,530practice on pod verse 8675 SATsthank you for the upcoming135101:26:10,530 --> 01:26:13,500hackathon. I'd be eager to lendmy data science visualization,135201:26:13,530 --> 01:26:17,220visualization skills.Congratulations, Episode 100.135301:26:17,220 --> 01:26:20,070And my son Darren says gopodcast podcast a135401:26:20,820 --> 01:26:23,370Dodge defeat dodge the feet inthe hands. Yeah,135501:26:23,370 --> 01:26:28,350then of course we got the1,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott135601:26:28,380 --> 01:26:35,010another 33,333 from Carolynlyceum. 100,100 Congrats to your135701:26:35,010 --> 01:26:39,690milestone 100 episodes. I am allfor the boost drive. That's135801:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,550That's what they call it. Theycall it the boost drive. They135901:26:41,550 --> 01:26:44,670were driving the boost like acattle drive of boosts playing136001:26:44,670 --> 01:26:47,430up into our into our ranch.136101:26:49,020 --> 01:26:50,640We had nothing to do with this.136201:26:50,670 --> 01:26:54,510It was no no this is of coursenot. This is why it works. So136301:26:54,510 --> 01:26:57,600well. We had another we hadnothing to do with it. Thanks136401:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,730for your work and forintroducing me to the value for136501:26:59,730 --> 01:27:02,220value model. Thanks forparticipating in it. Best136601:27:02,220 --> 01:27:04,470premises. Oh, this is MartinLinda's code. There you go136701:27:04,470 --> 01:27:07,200former second place fountainleaderboard for baller boost136801:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,250with rands date number of221,905 Satoshis Yeah, we'll try136901:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,740again this month game on gopodcast. And then there's137001:27:16,740 --> 01:27:22,260another Mike Newman 100,033 setscast dramatic boost rolling the137101:27:22,260 --> 01:27:26,400dice to see if it gets throughgo podcasting? Sure did. He sent137201:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,040another one another one fromCAST ematic one from fountain137301:27:32,040 --> 01:27:40,710also 100,033 90. And there he iswith 300,033 SATs Hello, Mike137401:27:40,710 --> 01:27:44,250Newman simply stated, The goalhere is to boost you all a137501:27:44,250 --> 01:27:47,970million SATs in a few days. Nowless than an hour. This is about137601:27:49,170 --> 01:27:52,680two hours ago, before the 100thepisode completely abusing137701:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,100channels near and far using asmany apps and services as I can137801:27:56,370 --> 01:27:59,640to demonstrate it at a small butessential part of what y'all137901:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,630have accomplished here sinceepisode one. Ah mazing thank you138001:28:03,630 --> 01:28:06,510for preserving, protecting andextending podcasting for years138101:28:06,510 --> 01:28:09,480to come. Mike, thank you, man.That is so kind.138201:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,380Thank you so much.138301:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,620Thank you. All right. I think Igot just about everybody there138401:28:13,620 --> 01:28:18,990in the in the the lit boost theclub. Thank you all so much.138501:28:18,990 --> 01:28:21,030That is this is138601:28:21,150 --> 01:28:21,810that's incredible. I138701:28:21,810 --> 01:28:25,800mean, normally having, whatDeVore Eken I would do is we138801:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,500pick numbers. Right? So what doyou have a number? Well, because138901:28:28,500 --> 01:28:32,790people showed us the way hey,it's Pi Day 314. Hey, it's it's139001:28:33,180 --> 01:28:39,210April 23 420. Hey, is yourbirthday 58? We don't have to139101:28:39,210 --> 01:28:42,720think this. This cameorganically and that's that139201:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,980means it's really working.139301:28:46,140 --> 01:28:48,060Yeah, yeah, it's kind ofhumbling.139401:28:48,150 --> 01:28:51,570And it also just means thatpeople love us. Yeah, yeah.139501:28:51,570 --> 01:28:52,410Everyone loves you guys.139601:28:52,440 --> 01:28:56,280You know, I feel like I reallydo feel love. Very much. So139701:28:57,270 --> 01:29:02,580the, you know what, I wonder? Iwonder about, you know, the139801:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,110different ways of different waysof connecting, like we were139901:29:07,110 --> 01:29:10,320talking earlier, about, youknow, music has sort of it gets140001:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,810its own thing, and it needs itsown app. And then something came140101:29:15,810 --> 01:29:21,480up this week on podcasts indexis social, about being able to,140201:29:21,750 --> 01:29:28,530like present a request to theuser, so that when they follow140301:29:28,530 --> 01:29:33,480the pot, like I think the way itwas explained is if if somebody140401:29:33,480 --> 01:29:37,140follows a podcast, and thatpodcaster also has something140501:29:37,140 --> 01:29:42,120like a newsletter, there couldbe some sort of tag or something140601:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,800in there that would say, in thefeed that would say, Okay, I140701:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,410also offer this newsletter, andthen the app could could show140801:29:52,410 --> 01:29:56,700that to the, to the listener,where they could say where they140901:29:56,700 --> 01:29:59,070could subscribe to thenewsletter, like right in the141001:29:59,070 --> 01:29:59,610app.141101:30:00,359 --> 01:30:03,569sure that that sounds likesomething useful.141201:30:04,409 --> 01:30:07,829Yeah, I think they, you know,David Norman from hypercare141301:30:07,829 --> 01:30:12,209explored some of this in thehyper Capture App. Very early141401:30:12,209 --> 01:30:15,359on. Yeah. He remembered thismarriage between podcasting and141501:30:15,359 --> 01:30:21,989newsletters. And I wonder, howwill that we could codify that.141601:30:23,430 --> 01:30:29,640Here's here's the here's theonly issue. What? Maybe not,141701:30:29,670 --> 01:30:33,030it's just newsletters. I lovenewsletters, but man, that141801:30:33,030 --> 01:30:35,280pretty much the only thing Iwould even touch these days141901:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,640would be substack. Everythingelse seems tainted crap and no142001:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,450good. And I'm sure problems willcome everywhere. It's just you142101:30:42,450 --> 01:30:44,730know, there's just we don'treally have I'm not familiar142201:30:44,730 --> 01:30:48,150with all the external resourcesfor news newsletters.142301:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,440I don't know it's your I don'tknow, either. I said142401:30:52,440 --> 01:30:57,780it's it sucks. So bad, the waythings don't arrive or filtered142501:30:57,780 --> 01:31:02,040away or put into promotionstabs, and it's just, it's a real142601:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,510nightmare to manage.142701:31:03,780 --> 01:31:06,870And everybody wants to own yourinbox. You don't use letters or142801:31:06,870 --> 01:31:08,130anything that you don't142901:31:08,910 --> 01:31:14,010actually do. But my newsletters,yeah, yeah, I bought it as a bi143001:31:14,010 --> 01:31:19,680created a year special RSS feedthat combined podcast episodes,143101:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,110as well as blog posts on theengineering network. So if143201:31:22,110 --> 01:31:24,000there's anything that's new,that's happened in the last143301:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,540week, it automatically sends outto a mailing list using143401:31:27,570 --> 01:31:31,620MailChimp. But some people doactually subscribe to it. And143501:31:31,620 --> 01:31:33,840when I heard when I was watched,because I followed that exact143601:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,200thread that you're talkingabout. And it's to me, it's143701:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,360like, well, how deep do you wantto go? How tight you want to143801:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,420make that integration? Yeah,because like, right now, we have143901:31:42,450 --> 01:31:45,600I think funding and the fundingwhen you when you tap on that,144001:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640and most apps, it'll just takeyou to the website. And it's144101:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,010like, oh, here's how you cansupport like a shortcut to that.144201:31:51,090 --> 01:31:53,610As opposed, you know, we couldjust do the same thing with the144301:31:53,610 --> 01:31:55,650newsletter, because the only waypeople know I've got a144401:31:55,650 --> 01:31:58,620newsletter is to go to thewebsite, I don't even pimp it on144501:31:58,620 --> 01:32:02,340the shows because, well, that'smy bad, I probably should that,144601:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,370you know, irrespective, it'slike they gotta go to the site,144701:32:05,370 --> 01:32:07,020have a look newsletter, oh,look, I can sign up for144801:32:07,020 --> 01:32:09,720newsletter. So how many peopleare going to take time out to do144901:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,550that? And this shortcut mightmake a difference, but it145001:32:11,550 --> 01:32:13,920doesn't have to be bakedcompletely into the app, you can145101:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,840jump out just like we do. Whynot?145201:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,350I would personally I wouldrather focus our effort and145301:32:19,350 --> 01:32:24,960energy on implementing XMPP witha bridge to IRC to get chat145401:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,730working or something like that.145501:32:28,230 --> 01:32:32,310Yeah, that that needs that needsto be probably next up on the145601:32:32,310 --> 01:32:34,500list. There's, there's always,you know, what makes things145701:32:34,500 --> 01:32:37,920complicated is there's alwayssort of two, two things going145801:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,770on. There's one that's codeheavy and one that spec heavy,145901:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,930right and in in an just andtechnical. And then there's and146001:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,250then there's, like, evangelismthat's going on? Yeah. So146101:32:50,250 --> 01:32:52,890there's, there's like the themusic stuff. That's, that's146201:32:52,890 --> 01:32:56,130really more evangelism thancode. Yeah. And, you know, the146301:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,280XMPP stuff and the chat stuffthat that really is more more146401:32:59,280 --> 01:33:06,060code than anything else. I dolike so. So John, you don't have146501:33:06,060 --> 01:33:08,640any live, you don't do anythinglive right?146601:33:09,150 --> 01:33:14,130Now, not anymore. Back in 90,more mid 2014 in with pragmatic,146701:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,550actually had five or sixepisodes live, streaming them146801:33:17,550 --> 01:33:21,720using icecast. Put sort of,like, stitched a bit together146901:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,400using liquid soap. And I used toupdate the website with a live147001:33:26,400 --> 01:33:33,090flag that scrape the status, x xs l file from icecast. And I had147101:33:33,090 --> 01:33:37,440a chat room in IRC, you know,much like, like ATP, do it. The147201:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,680relay guys, you know, five byfive, and a lot of them do that.147301:33:40,950 --> 01:33:45,660So it's like, it's a thing Iused to do. But I got, oddly147401:33:45,690 --> 01:33:49,170more complaints than I gotcompliments. It because people147501:33:49,170 --> 01:33:51,090would say, Oh, why can't you doit at this time? I can't147601:33:51,090 --> 01:33:54,000possibly make it at that timesort of thing. And when I had,147701:33:54,150 --> 01:33:57,300like, probably two thirds of myaudience in the United States,147801:33:57,690 --> 01:34:01,500I, I would I tried a few gettingup at ridiculous hours of the of147901:34:01,500 --> 01:34:05,160the morning to try and suit andsatisfy the North American148001:34:05,190 --> 01:34:08,460audience. And even then, peoplewould then complain from Europe148101:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,350and say, Oh, well, you know,that's a really big time. And148201:34:10,350 --> 01:34:13,110I'm like, Oh, my God. Okay, sothe joy of live is that there148301:34:13,110 --> 01:34:19,140are many time zones, and we livein a ball. And so yeah, more148401:34:19,140 --> 01:34:21,480people were annoyed that Icouldn't do it at their148501:34:21,480 --> 01:34:25,080preferred time and the audiencelevel and feedback and148601:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,810engagement just wasn't there. SoI stopped doing it. And no one148701:34:27,810 --> 01:34:30,000seemed to care that I stopped.So that's148801:34:31,650 --> 01:34:36,120well, okay, so you did so youdid an ice cast server. This is148901:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,300what I'm trying to get some justwant to try to get at. So149001:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,670there's, there's a couple ofbreakthroughs that need to149101:34:41,670 --> 01:34:45,750happen here. There's there's theability for people to do live149201:34:45,750 --> 01:34:50,010streams. And when I say people,I mean, I mean hosts hosting149301:34:50,010 --> 01:34:55,380companies, hosting companiesneed need a way forward for live149401:34:55,380 --> 01:35:00,960streams. And we talked about ita lot in Dallas last week. with149501:35:00,960 --> 01:35:06,660people and just trying tobrainstorm things. My, my idea149601:35:07,560 --> 01:35:14,940is maybe wacky or too much. Myidea was you, you know, if your149701:35:14,940 --> 01:35:20,220hosting company you spin up, youspin up a and n A icecast server149801:35:21,270 --> 01:35:24,270in a Docker container orsomething whenever you need it,149901:35:24,870 --> 01:35:31,140dynamically assign it a DNS, DNSname. And then for the life of150001:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,160that live broadcast, that thingis running, and then you spin150101:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,530it, and then you just destroy itwhen it's finished, like a150201:35:37,530 --> 01:35:42,900dashboard on voltage. Exactlythe same. Exactly. I like that.150301:35:43,830 --> 01:35:48,150Now, there may be much betterways to do it. And this is why I150401:35:48,150 --> 01:35:52,530bring it up, because I want tohear where I'm going overkill on150501:35:52,530 --> 01:35:58,050this. But I mean, I could seethat. If you had like, I don't150601:35:58,050 --> 01:36:01,020know, if you're, if you're alarge host, and you had like 10150701:36:01,020 --> 01:36:04,080of these things running, they'reprobably not costing, if they're150801:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,060sitting there doing nothing,they're probably not costing you150901:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,030anything, it's just a container.Especially if you're a151001:36:09,030 --> 01:36:12,480Kubernetes or something likethat. I mean, it wouldn't151101:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,300probably, it's meant the cost isminimal until you start the151201:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,440bandwidth going. And then I wasthinking of it just like it like151301:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,860an Apache server, you know, likeyou have a minimum spares that151401:36:22,860 --> 01:36:26,370are running, and then you justspin up a few more whenever151501:36:26,370 --> 01:36:31,350somebody whenever those begin toget used, and you kill them. I151601:36:31,350 --> 01:36:34,680don't know, I'm trying to thinkof a way. But so then on the151701:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,310backside, let's let's say thatyou have that model, then on the151801:36:38,310 --> 01:36:43,890back side, you got to have a wayfor the podcaster to connect,151901:36:44,130 --> 01:36:49,290and take and start sending tothe stream. And so then there152001:36:49,290 --> 01:36:52,320would have to be some sort of,you know, you display back to152101:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,880them. The, the connection stringor the the URL that they need to152201:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,930connect to? Is, is that how youdo it currently, Adam, when you152301:37:00,930 --> 01:37:04,200take over the stream, do youjust connect to a endpoint and152401:37:04,200 --> 01:37:04,620go?152501:37:05,970 --> 01:37:12,600Yeah, so I have the luxury thatthe no agenda stream is up 24/7152601:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,370It's ice cast server. I have Godpower. So the minute I hit152701:37:17,370 --> 01:37:21,900Connect is like whoever's thereis just sad. Because I152801:37:21,900 --> 01:37:25,110want to look like I mean, likewhat is the connect to and when152901:37:25,110 --> 01:37:25,920you say connect,153001:37:25,950 --> 01:37:31,590I'm sorry, I use radio castersmall app. And all you do is153101:37:31,590 --> 01:37:34,860just have the you have the oneendpoint, you got a password,153201:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,030you fill that in, you put yourbid rate, you do all that once,153301:37:39,030 --> 01:37:41,520and then from then on out, it'sjust click, you're on click,153401:37:41,520 --> 01:37:46,050you're off. But it is it is aseparate app that I use.153501:37:47,610 --> 01:37:50,940Okay, and that just hooks intoyour rig is that, yeah,153601:37:51,839 --> 01:37:55,649it just hooks into the output ofmy, I mean, anyone who streams153701:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,149kind of knows this stuff.153801:37:58,019 --> 01:38:01,019And I'm thinking about peoplewho don't stream who are not153901:38:01,019 --> 01:38:02,399used to it, like how154001:38:02,460 --> 01:38:05,670we need to kill them, they justneed to kill them. If you don't154101:38:05,670 --> 01:38:09,630stream you don't dream, okay,get out of get on my face, as154201:38:10,740 --> 01:38:15,450if like it would be it'd be niceto have some sort of guide, or154301:38:15,450 --> 01:38:20,940something that said, Here's inclear, clearly, the hosting154401:38:20,940 --> 01:38:23,040company would would want to dothis, you know if they're going154501:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,000to support this feature. But forthose who want to get their feet154601:38:27,000 --> 01:38:34,380wet with it earlier than waitingfor host implementation, it154701:38:34,380 --> 01:38:37,920would be nice to have some sortof concise guide that could say,154801:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,820Okay, here's, here's how youcould go live. But you know,154901:38:42,090 --> 01:38:43,170quickly or whatever.155001:38:44,430 --> 01:38:47,250For fun, even though it's sospecialized, I don't think155101:38:47,250 --> 01:38:50,700there's a lot of podcasts thatgo live with audio only, there's155201:38:50,700 --> 01:38:54,300just not a lot what most peoplewill be very comfortable with155301:38:54,300 --> 01:38:59,070his stream yard or OBS. Andconnecting that to some, you155401:38:59,070 --> 01:39:01,560know, everyone kind of knows,oh, I need this kind of data, I155501:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,700put it in here and send it, itwould be easier to use something155601:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,250like that and just take theaudio that way. Also, if it's155701:39:08,250 --> 01:39:12,090multiple people, they can stilluse the video to communicate155801:39:12,090 --> 01:39:14,550with each other. I think thetools are out there. I think155901:39:14,550 --> 01:39:19,140they're usable. But I don't knowif if this is something the156001:39:19,140 --> 01:39:23,820hosting company should solve.I'm not sure that the lit tag is156101:39:23,850 --> 01:39:27,060a big deal for everybody. Ithink it's a huge deal for a156201:39:27,060 --> 01:39:30,870very small subsection who willbe able to use it effectively.156301:39:32,580 --> 01:39:35,970That I think and I think thoseare valuable content creators156401:39:35,970 --> 01:39:40,770who know how to use it and willuse it but I just don't see it156501:39:40,770 --> 01:39:45,000as a big mainstream thing. Butit's important I want it156601:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,940it will I'm just thinking youknow, brought up the chat in the156701:39:50,940 --> 01:39:57,210chat really is only it's kind ofonly the last not only live156801:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,950knows it could be the things156901:39:58,980 --> 01:40:02,460I mean it The room is open. Youknow, people are in there all157001:40:02,460 --> 01:40:09,180the time to like, an IRC chat. Imean the troll room.io Where no157101:40:09,180 --> 01:40:11,910agenda stream.com is open allthe time that said the community157201:40:11,910 --> 01:40:15,270lives there of trolls, but theydo live there under bridges and157301:40:15,270 --> 01:40:16,710stinky garbage heaps.157401:40:20,790 --> 01:40:25,680I guess. I mean, I would loveXMPP. That that seems like the157501:40:25,680 --> 01:40:32,580way to go for for a built inchat. In in the app. It's more157601:40:32,610 --> 01:40:33,330you know, it's157701:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,540seem a lot easier to get goingthe comments157801:40:37,770 --> 01:40:41,040here. Yeah. And because it'sbecause it's because it's157901:40:41,250 --> 01:40:42,120synchronous.158001:40:42,540 --> 01:40:45,780Yes. And we and we are and ofcourse I didn't come up with158101:40:45,780 --> 01:40:48,900this myself. I got this fromAlex gates. He said, XMPP were158201:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,840the bridge to IRC. I said, Iheard chef, I'm on it.158301:40:52,950 --> 01:40:55,950Okay, can you put that in? Like,is that something that can be158401:40:55,950 --> 01:40:57,210hooked to the no agenda?158501:40:57,570 --> 01:41:03,210Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.The x Oh, yeah. IRC and XMPP.158601:41:03,210 --> 01:41:06,780worked very well together. Okay.Yeah, I think there's all kinds158701:41:06,780 --> 01:41:07,860of existing stuff.158801:41:08,580 --> 01:41:12,810I feel like I did a lot of XMPPprogramming years ago. I know158901:41:12,810 --> 01:41:16,050nothing about IRC. I feel like Ijust don't know anything about159001:41:16,050 --> 01:41:16,800the way it worked. Well,159101:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,130luckily, we have some veryskilled people in our group.159201:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,100Yeah, there's people doing Imean, when when you're at the159301:41:23,100 --> 01:41:26,940bot level, I'm sure you can helpus with XMPP bridge to IRC.159401:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,080That would be great. I wouldlove to build some sandboxes and159501:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,040stuff around that to try to justtry it out. You know, because I159601:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,850still have I still got MK Ultrathis sitting there that needs.159701:41:39,090 --> 01:41:39,960There's another159801:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,050thing you know, we just need toshut everything down. Just you159901:41:43,050 --> 01:41:51,000just got to work through yourlist. Yeah. Yeah, you said yeah.160001:41:51,750 --> 01:41:55,020Let's take some more people.Dave. We're running on a buck 45160101:41:55,020 --> 01:41:55,800here so let's160201:41:56,580 --> 01:41:59,910Yeah, all right. Let's see wegot we got some160301:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,060I don't mind doing the show latefor our guests in Australia. But160401:42:03,060 --> 01:42:05,370you know, just because we ruinhis breakfast doesn't mean he160501:42:05,370 --> 01:42:12,180gets to ruin our dinner you gottime, John, you can hang out160601:42:12,180 --> 01:42:12,870with us some more.160701:42:13,140 --> 01:42:16,560I am making time for you guys.Oh, good. Keep rolling. You160801:42:16,560 --> 01:42:16,980know, also160901:42:16,980 --> 01:42:20,610you have an amazing set ofpipes. Oh, well, thank you for161001:42:20,610 --> 01:42:23,880Yeah, you really really soundgood. You know, because161101:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,580Australians can have a certainI'm just saying it's like you161201:42:26,580 --> 01:42:30,270have all kinds of opinions aboutAmerican accents. But yours with161301:42:30,270 --> 01:42:32,610the voice it just it hassomething really comfortable.161401:42:32,610 --> 01:42:33,870It's really nice to listen to.161501:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,200Thank you. Thanks Adam actuallymeans a lot coming in from you161601:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,130especially Thank you161701:42:39,090 --> 01:42:40,500You're welcome. I mean it161801:42:41,040 --> 01:42:45,690we guess that fountain on screenNick of their fountain is $200161901:42:45,870 --> 01:42:47,610Whoa I think we get the162001:42:47,610 --> 01:42:49,260ball them Bala162101:42:49,410 --> 01:42:53,250shot Carla 20 blades on am Paulait's162201:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,580It's everybody's just sogenerous today.162301:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,680We get Thank you. Thank youguys. Thank you. Oscar and I've162401:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,340got a bug I need to squash forOscar and nationally not squash.162501:43:05,370 --> 01:43:09,780I've got to introduce this togay. I get it No, no. No,162601:43:09,840 --> 01:43:16,080investigate. Let's see. Steven,Steven crater, send us $100 And162701:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,820he says for episode 100.162801:43:18,900 --> 01:43:20,340Thank you so much, Steven.162901:43:21,089 --> 01:43:29,459Steven. I really appreciate youman. I really do. He, he is one163001:43:29,459 --> 01:43:36,059of those people that jumps inthere and just does things that163101:43:36,119 --> 01:43:40,709need doing. Like, you know, he'sa person that just sees that.163201:43:42,299 --> 01:43:45,209This something needs likesomething needs to be done like,163301:43:45,419 --> 01:43:48,749like this bucket of you know,mop water needs to be refilled163401:43:48,749 --> 01:43:51,449or the sort of the dirty jobsthat are just like time163501:43:51,449 --> 01:43:55,919consuming. He jumps in there anddoesn't. And I really appreciate163601:43:55,919 --> 01:43:57,929that. So more than more than Ican163701:43:58,110 --> 01:44:00,630you give us an example. So so weall know163801:44:00,630 --> 01:44:04,140what mentation Yeah, that'snumber one. When I put when,163901:44:04,770 --> 01:44:09,510when I roll up a new endpoint orsomething, he documents it. And164001:44:09,510 --> 01:44:13,080when he goes in there todocument it if he sees bugs, or164101:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,920misspellings or something. He'slike, Hey, this is messed up.164201:44:17,340 --> 01:44:22,320And I go fix it. Or somebodysays, hey, what's the GU ID for164301:44:22,320 --> 01:44:26,700my podcast? And he jumps inthere posted before? Before I164401:44:26,700 --> 01:44:29,970do. I'm like cool. It's just itjust takes you just take stuff164501:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,940off my plate all the time andI'm so appreciative of it164601:44:32,940 --> 01:44:34,140one time for the one time.164701:44:37,170 --> 01:44:48,000Fire $558 from Prem Lee barberBarbosa Prem Lee Barbosa $50 No164801:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,100note, thank you very much. Thankyou. primly, we get some164901:44:53,100 --> 01:44:54,240histograms.165001:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,360We get oh by the way, I wouldlike now I would like to say to165101:45:00,450 --> 01:45:04,590James Cridland, you've beggedfor it enough times I've put the165201:45:04,590 --> 01:45:08,880big baller jingle into our shownotes for today's episode so165301:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,480someone can go put that into therepository. I just want you to165401:45:12,480 --> 01:45:16,530know it wasn't necessarily anopen source thing. It was165501:45:16,740 --> 01:45:21,450originated in the MO facts withAdam curry podcast. Then slowly165601:45:21,450 --> 01:45:25,710stolen slash adopted by the noagenda podcast, then it moves to165701:45:25,710 --> 01:45:29,610podcast 2.0 And now we set itfree.165801:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,570It's now it's been released.It's been released released165901:45:33,570 --> 01:45:36,780into the wilds back to theelements from which it came.166001:45:37,410 --> 01:45:39,990We have a good ISO as speakingof James Kirtland, and if you166101:45:39,990 --> 01:45:42,480want to drop that one in there,please166201:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,800come and talk to us please. Wow,that's genius. That is not just166301:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,080an ISO that's and a show ISObaby.166401:45:50,970 --> 01:45:52,410That reached the top of themountain.166501:45:53,460 --> 01:45:55,050The pinnacle has been achieved.166601:45:55,650 --> 01:46:00,540Chad Pharaoh 3333 No notes.Thank you. Let's see Auburn166701:46:00,540 --> 01:46:05,940citadel. 49 490 Boost me JCdestock166801:46:05,969 --> 01:46:08,849you got it boost boost boost.Yay.166901:46:09,389 --> 01:46:13,3798888 from Chris last as Chrisfrom Jupiter broadcasting says167001:46:13,379 --> 01:46:15,569thanks for going to PodcastMovement, so we don't have to167101:46:16,980 --> 01:46:20,550dodge the bullet. Although itwas really nice hanging out with167201:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,460everybody. That was the mainthing. And once we'd hung out167301:46:23,460 --> 01:46:27,690with everybody, it was time toleave. This is very167401:46:27,690 --> 01:46:32,400tailored. Regarding your livechat discussion we do most most167501:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,830of our shows live and based onlistener demand, we're moving167601:46:34,830 --> 01:46:38,880our live chat to matrix. So far,it's working out great. IRC can167701:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,630be bridged into matrix in manycases might be possible to have167801:46:42,630 --> 01:46:43,860the best of both worlds.167901:46:44,099 --> 01:46:48,449can we bridge XMPP to IRC backto matrix hey now168001:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,410can and should168101:46:52,920 --> 01:46:54,750use your free dance. Yes, Iguess168201:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,930the only thing that I'm boughtthat concerns me about matrix is168301:47:00,930 --> 01:47:06,390I've heard that the back end isvery heavy. And I would like to168401:47:06,390 --> 01:47:07,410hear input on the168501:47:07,410 --> 01:47:11,850hell was going on? We're goingto have a standoff because the168601:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,900Alex gauge the officialpodcasting 2.0 consultant, not168701:47:15,900 --> 01:47:20,070to be confused with a value forvalue coach, the 2.0 consultant,168801:47:20,100 --> 01:47:26,490he's pushing very heavily forXMPP. And I believe Roy over a168901:47:26,490 --> 01:47:30,300breeze would be pushing veryhard for matrix. So if we could169001:47:30,300 --> 01:47:32,880make those two meet somewhere inthe middle and connect them169101:47:32,910 --> 01:47:34,680that's all good. That the169201:47:34,680 --> 01:47:39,360middle that would be like middleof the Atlantic. Yes, somewhere.169301:47:39,870 --> 01:47:43,590I'm not quite sure how we havethese types. Maybe there's no169401:47:43,590 --> 01:47:46,230conflict at all. Maybe it allfits perfectly together.169501:47:46,679 --> 01:47:49,229Okay, you guys meet in Greenlandand fight and whoever wins,169601:47:49,229 --> 01:47:56,849right? That's right. See 717 73sets from Mike Dell says Dallas169701:47:56,849 --> 01:48:03,899moves from room 1773 Well,three, go ahead. No, go ahead.169801:48:03,899 --> 01:48:07,829Go keep on Yeah. 12 345 fromhard 12345 from hard hat. No169901:48:07,829 --> 01:48:08,249note.170001:48:08,280 --> 01:48:12,390Thank you. Very nice. Booze. Royscheinfeld170101:48:12,540 --> 01:48:20,430No, there. There he is. He's forepisode 99. Excuse me. This is a170201:48:20,430 --> 01:48:23,580this was a mess up on my part. Idid. He boosted last week and170301:48:23,580 --> 01:48:28,320this week and I missed both ofthem. And then I figured out170401:48:28,770 --> 01:48:32,610this afternoon that it was andbecause I message you and I was170501:48:32,610 --> 01:48:35,580like I can't find Roy's boost isdriving me nuts is concerning.170601:48:36,480 --> 01:48:36,930And170701:48:37,260 --> 01:48:41,040yes, we were we were we werecombing how sad or we were170801:48:41,040 --> 01:48:45,750combing through heli pad andthrough I was looking at CSVs170901:48:45,750 --> 01:48:47,940like I got no wikis in heresomewhere.171001:48:49,350 --> 01:48:56,520Show yourself Roy show yourself.He's a bit he had boosted two171101:48:56,940 --> 01:49:01,170booths two weeks in a row withno note. And I had filled my171201:49:01,170 --> 01:49:03,900script was filtering. Oh no, no,171301:49:03,900 --> 01:49:07,020it's Yeah, reading on the showthat's the epitome of lazy is171401:49:07,020 --> 01:49:10,890given a big boost and I'm youknow I'm gonna give 54,003 and171501:49:10,890 --> 01:49:15,18020 on SAS but you know, I meanmy silk robe I got my floppy171601:49:15,180 --> 01:49:19,260slippers on. It's so tiring totype a note.171701:49:20,160 --> 01:49:25,230I said I message him I said sogood. All good. I found him.171801:49:25,620 --> 01:49:29,940Here's, you know, here's thebug. And fixed. We're all we're171901:49:29,940 --> 01:49:30,780all good. It's like172001:49:30,780 --> 01:49:37,020do you say Roy do you send yourwould you send your wife a card172101:49:37,020 --> 01:49:42,900with just just a card with nowriting on it? I feel I feel our172201:49:42,900 --> 01:49:44,880relationship was better thanthat.172301:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,300It's a box of chocolates. It'sjust wrappers and no extra172401:49:48,300 --> 01:49:48,690chocolate172501:49:58,980 --> 01:50:04,560so He essentially debugged mycode from like, what 3000 miles172601:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,940away, which was Oh, really? Oh,yeah. Yes, that's good. Next172701:50:08,940 --> 01:50:13,950time, I'm just gonna print allthe code out and mail it to, to172801:50:14,130 --> 01:50:17,370to John and Roy and have themdecode it from their respective172901:50:17,370 --> 01:50:24,300locations. Okay. What one let ussee 1111, George Orwell and173001:50:24,330 --> 01:50:25,680Orwell Nietzsche says boost173101:50:25,710 --> 01:50:28,680yo, yo, thanks George Jordanrose big supporter, big channel173201:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,420opener to everybody appreciateit.173301:50:31,290 --> 01:50:35,280Big row sticks 11 111 from meremortals podcast. He says I think173401:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,310the best I think the biggestproblem with the for V, is it it173501:50:38,310 --> 01:50:41,010takes a while to get going. Inthe latest V for V podcast173601:50:41,010 --> 01:50:44,220episode, I talked about how podland required a while until new173701:50:44,220 --> 01:50:46,770people joined in on theboosting. But I think the rush173801:50:46,770 --> 01:50:49,800of the highest impact dopaminejacking, heart racing173901:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,370extravaganza of a message withmonetary value attached is worth174001:50:53,370 --> 01:50:53,640it.174101:50:54,990 --> 01:50:58,500Die can concur. I completelyagree. Absolutely.174201:50:59,850 --> 01:51:05,700RDK 519 Send us 1010 SATs and hesays Adam and Dave, thanks for174301:51:05,700 --> 01:51:08,790all you're doing with podcasting2.0 Our shows aren't yet in the174401:51:08,790 --> 01:51:11,9102.0 universe, but we're workingto get them there as quickly as174501:51:11,910 --> 01:51:14,400possible. Keep up the good work.Rob Kirkpatrick174601:51:14,430 --> 01:51:15,840Thank you, Rob. Look forward to174701:51:17,610 --> 01:51:22,200Jean Everett's in his 1001 SAShe says cheers. Cheers to you.174801:51:22,380 --> 01:51:27,510Cheers back at you. Uh, Chris,you know, send us 3570 SATs and174901:51:27,510 --> 01:51:33,210no note. Sir Doug sent us 10,000SATs and he says value for value175001:51:33,210 --> 01:51:34,380boost the yo yo,175101:51:35,010 --> 01:51:35,760love that.175201:51:37,710 --> 01:51:39,900Is the Amit Sharma dog175301:51:39,930 --> 01:51:42,510I miss I'm missing the TOS.Where's the ducks today?175401:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,160I don't know. See?175501:51:44,550 --> 01:51:48,450I feel so you know, I haven'theard any ducks. Little175601:51:48,450 --> 01:51:52,110concerned about the dogs. Allright. What's your dog? Okay.175701:51:52,710 --> 01:51:55,950He is I had to mute myself andyell at him. Oh, I don't know if175801:51:55,950 --> 01:51:56,700it's gonna help or not175901:51:57,750 --> 01:51:59,220wasn't buying any dogs was he?176001:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,450He's he sees the chickensoutside and he really wants176101:52:03,450 --> 01:52:04,530chicken tonight.176201:52:05,820 --> 01:52:08,910Like right now pronto. Yeah,immediately. Chicken176301:52:09,540 --> 01:52:14,2801234 from SLC. I can't I can'tview boosts only this show no176401:52:14,280 --> 01:52:15,450problems on na.176501:52:16,770 --> 01:52:22,320Oh, yes. We have comments thisin Fountain we requested no176601:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,050comment boosts our podcast. So Icould have an A B and then not176701:52:28,050 --> 01:52:31,680the show. But next show. Um,this also was part of Tanner's176801:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,340problem, the comments do presentopportunities and they present176901:52:35,340 --> 01:52:36,930issues. But that's for anothershow.177001:52:38,460 --> 01:52:42,690So Pete 21,500 says To cast amagic is this the talk about177101:52:42,690 --> 01:52:46,140making features appealing ormaking them better? Better known177201:52:46,140 --> 01:52:50,040on its own is kind of weird. Ithink the total experience of177301:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,250listening to a podcast is key.When podcasters say in their177401:52:53,250 --> 01:52:56,460podcast, quote, check out theimage in your app to see what I177501:52:56,460 --> 01:53:00,480mean. Or skip to the nextchapter to get the results.177601:53:00,510 --> 01:53:04,590Yeah, those two calls will pullpeople to both use and ask for177701:53:04,590 --> 01:53:08,160the new features. You might alsoawaken the call for so for177801:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,920support of new features.Completely177901:53:11,100 --> 01:53:13,230agree completely agree. Goodone.178001:53:13,230 --> 01:53:17,190That's the that's the other partthat I'd written in my notes178101:53:17,190 --> 01:53:23,310earlier is that part of thevalue is the podcaster has to178201:53:23,310 --> 01:53:29,730use his or her voice in thepodcast to talk to the listener178301:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,230that you have to you yourpodcast the content of your178401:53:34,230 --> 01:53:38,010podcast is the way that you doit. It's you don't it's not you178501:53:38,010 --> 01:53:41,280don't just flip a switch. It'snot technology. All the178601:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,610technology in the world can bethere. But if you don't if you178701:53:44,610 --> 01:53:48,360don't engage your audience inthat way that it doesn't is178801:53:48,360 --> 01:53:53,010useless. Sir Shona, theAllegheny Valley, aka Sean178901:53:53,010 --> 01:53:56,100McCune 50,000 SATs he saysboosting while listening to the179001:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,180last episodes boosts179101:53:57,210 --> 01:54:01,200Oh nice. Thank you. Nice boostboost boost boost the boost179201:54:01,200 --> 01:54:01,740boost.179301:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,650Timmy tweet 23 8315 1000s As hesays just updated my years old179401:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,970d&d tabletop gaming podcast to2.0. Hoping we won't offend our179501:54:11,970 --> 01:54:15,510long term, our longtime Patreonsubscribers by moving to value179601:54:15,510 --> 01:54:18,570for value for anyone interestedin longtime friends playing179701:54:18,570 --> 01:54:22,800tabletop RPGs. Reviewing projectproducts and not being serious179801:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,780about it. Check out GG no rithat's GG space in O space R E.179901:54:28,440 --> 01:54:30,240Go podcasting. Yo Cool.180001:54:38,610 --> 01:54:41,970See 11 111 from Martin from podfriend.180101:54:42,210 --> 01:54:44,790Hey Martin How you doing?180201:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,450He says 100th Episode Wow feelslike just yesterday since I180301:54:48,450 --> 01:54:51,510wrote to Adam about accessingthe index and then creating that180401:54:51,510 --> 01:54:55,200first early open source appimplementation. I've been quiet180501:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,660for a while but I'm having somuch fun right now working on180601:54:57,660 --> 01:55:01,020pot friend two ah which is goingto be better than ever.180701:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,270It's coming to theaters thissummer.180801:55:07,560 --> 01:55:16,950Happy episode aversary and rockown nice boost. Pod friend too.180901:55:17,670 --> 01:55:21,750I'm excited I'm excited podfriend to it's like the iPhone181001:55:21,750 --> 01:55:22,59014181101:55:24,750 --> 01:55:29,280Martin back again 100,000 SATsand he's Oh again because 100181201:55:29,310 --> 01:55:29,730Yes,181301:55:30,420 --> 01:55:34,680just Blaze on am Paula.181401:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,870So happy he's still on ourorbit.181501:55:37,530 --> 01:55:44,160Straight up. Yeah, it can't waitto see pocket pod friend 2.0 I181601:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,290didn't know he was working onthat he's been keeping it181701:55:46,290 --> 01:55:46,920download181801:55:47,790 --> 01:55:51,060pod friend and 2.0 it's yourfriend.181901:55:51,360 --> 01:55:58,620No bigger than ever. Theselaughs since 838 SATs and he182001:55:58,620 --> 01:55:59,640says show was lit.182101:55:59,820 --> 01:56:02,970Yeah. laughs182201:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,210sin is 25,000 SATs he says gopodcasting. Nice.182301:56:08,580 --> 01:56:11,520I'm so humbled by these numbers.This is so great.182401:56:11,850 --> 01:56:15,420It's incredible. Steve, that wasSteve in Bradenton, Florida.182501:56:17,190 --> 01:56:23,160slewed send a 1611 SATs and hesays 1611 equals King James182601:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,600boost go podcasting?182701:56:25,500 --> 01:56:28,770I'm not quite sure what to play.I don't have a King James thing182801:56:28,770 --> 01:56:31,650but don't just stand there. Ohgo podcast.182901:56:33,270 --> 01:56:34,500Let's just pretend that was kJ.183001:56:34,530 --> 01:56:35,850Yeah, it sounded just like him.183101:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,910Meet us. Send us 2222 throughfountain and he says the boost183201:56:41,910 --> 01:56:47,460below nice. The boost below mesays indirect. This is like an183301:56:47,490 --> 01:56:52,020Excel column Excel formulaindirect. open parenthesis183401:56:52,020 --> 01:56:55,050address open parenthesis rowparenthesis plus one column183501:56:55,050 --> 01:56:55,890parenthesis.183601:56:57,570 --> 01:57:02,880And you have solved our secretpuzzle. Congratulations for183701:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,800boosting us in the row.183801:57:06,480 --> 01:57:13,920What was that? No idea. Okay.Steven B sends 100,000 SATs. Oh183901:57:13,920 --> 01:57:22,860man at the 100th episode. Thankyou so much. Brother. Bissau184001:57:22,860 --> 01:57:27,660used screenshots of curio, curiocaster in my preferences Tasha184101:57:27,660 --> 01:57:35,250on Yes. Dame Jennifer sent us100,000 Sask cue up. Jingle184201:57:35,250 --> 01:57:37,800congrats. One 100 For this Oh,184301:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,480that'll surprise here.184401:57:40,530 --> 01:57:45,390Happy episode aka board meeting100 que that obnoxious air horn.184501:57:46,170 --> 01:57:53,010Please come and talk to us.Ready for her?184601:57:53,820 --> 01:57:55,980That was the obnoxious air hornwas James.184701:57:56,760 --> 01:58:00,510I don't know how that happened.Muscle memory. Long COVID All184801:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,390right. So we hit the congratsjingle here. Yeah, hit it.184901:58:04,140 --> 01:58:10,290Hey, guys. Congratulations onepisode 100. You've managed to185001:58:10,290 --> 01:58:14,280build an incredible team who areall doing amazing things. I'm185101:58:14,280 --> 01:58:17,070looking forward to what we'llsee in the hackathon. I'll be at185201:58:17,070 --> 01:58:20,280the craft services table eatingcake and drinking Prosecco out185301:58:20,280 --> 01:58:24,420of plastic cups of course. Seethere are boost people boost185401:58:24,420 --> 01:58:25,080boost boost.185501:58:27,780 --> 01:58:32,430Dave Jennifer best she she's abig part of it. Man. You're a185601:58:32,430 --> 01:58:34,110big part of it. Dame Jennifer.185701:58:34,500 --> 01:58:36,840She says she wanted it to soundlike those obnoxious185801:58:36,870 --> 01:58:39,300celebrities, you know,congratulating each other.185901:58:40,230 --> 01:58:43,200It's hard for her to pull it offentirely because she's just so186001:58:43,200 --> 01:58:43,860nice.186101:58:44,519 --> 01:58:47,819Yeah, there's no underlyingnote. Yes, back there.186201:58:47,849 --> 01:58:51,599No, no, not a hint ofdouchebaggery no smugness no186301:58:51,599 --> 01:58:54,989jealousy. It's just pure openhonest and we'd love your name186401:58:54,989 --> 01:58:58,289Jennifer. We really do everybodydoes your fantastic. You should186501:58:58,289 --> 01:59:02,009be making a million Satoshis aday being a value for value186601:59:02,009 --> 01:59:02,789consultant.186701:59:03,990 --> 01:59:08,130Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, lookat both look at boosted this it186801:59:08,130 --> 01:59:11,550was John Chingy no way you're 61says no,186901:59:12,120 --> 01:59:12,570no.187001:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,720No that guy. Hey, John,187101:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,030do you need to before I forgetyou need to immediately email me187201:59:21,060 --> 01:59:28,800your your node ID so I can putyou in our splits. Notice how we187301:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,100put him in the split after allthe million million set booths187401:59:32,100 --> 01:59:36,420come in? Yeah, we're not totallystupid. Boy.187501:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,980We and guess what? We didn'thave a guest last week. Oh, so187601:59:40,980 --> 01:59:44,130no split goes to that. That'strue, because that does mean187701:59:44,130 --> 01:59:47,010that you stay with us until thenext guest is on to kind of187801:59:47,010 --> 01:59:47,310happy187901:59:47,310 --> 01:59:52,920birthday to us. Yes. Hi, Daveand Adam and listeners podcast188001:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,9802.0. Brian of London's in Pythonexample code with attitude.188101:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,310Hopefully that helped me makethis VISTA grande possible. It188201:59:59,310 --> 02:00:03,000feels like Have some kind ofhive mind and dig it. Anyway, I188302:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,790encourage anyone that isn'talready listening to causality188402:00:05,790 --> 02:00:09,630to visit engineer dot network aswe analyze what went wrong, or188502:00:09,630 --> 02:00:12,060excuse me what went right andwhat went wrong and we discover188602:00:12,060 --> 02:00:15,150that many outcomes can bepredicted, planned for and even188702:00:15,150 --> 02:00:18,570prevented and you too can decideif the listener that called me a188802:00:18,570 --> 02:00:22,320dreamy narrator was right ornot. Nice.188902:00:23,250 --> 02:00:25,260Thank you. Yes.189002:00:26,490 --> 02:00:32,370Hard Hat 100,000 SATs boost,boost. Boost. Thank you hard189102:00:32,370 --> 02:00:38,190hat. There's just so many ofthese is nuts. Mac. Macintosh is189202:00:38,190 --> 02:00:40,950in its 10,000 SATs and he saysHappy 100th Episode What an189302:00:40,950 --> 02:00:43,890accomplishment. I'm lookingforward to the next 100 episodes189402:00:43,890 --> 02:00:46,560and the next dozen or morepodcasts and 2.0 features go189502:00:46,560 --> 02:00:52,560podcasting your podcast. I am toMacintosh. We're just getting189602:00:52,710 --> 02:00:55,500the last slide of thepresentation was we're just189702:00:55,500 --> 02:00:58,350getting started. And that's thatis it feels like that's 100%189802:00:58,350 --> 02:01:04,890True. Yep. Jason unit sent us103,099 sets through pod verse189902:01:04,890 --> 02:01:06,990and he says please defragmentme, Adam.190002:01:07,080 --> 02:01:13,800Oh, yes. Love to do that. Andwe'll throw in a boost. Thanks.190102:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,330I'm glad people are asking forthat.190202:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,680He says Adam, if I boost morethan $333 with a Bitcoin to the190302:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,930no agenda show. Well, I getcredited as an executive190402:01:21,930 --> 02:01:22,410producer.190502:01:22,440 --> 02:01:27,180No, don't do it. Don't do it. Doit now. It's just an ongoing190602:01:27,180 --> 02:01:30,480conversation I'm having with mypartner so don't do it. Don't190702:01:30,480 --> 02:01:36,030Ask Don't Don't rock the boat.190802:01:38,340 --> 02:01:44,370Brian of London in the high Dao49,524 SATs do the V for V out.190902:01:44,700 --> 02:01:45,660Thank you, Brian.191002:01:46,500 --> 02:01:50,940I'm not he's okay. Thanks.Thanks for Thanks. in advance191102:01:50,940 --> 02:01:54,030for this Brian. He says I'm nota pheasant plucker I'm a191202:01:54,030 --> 02:01:57,300pheasant pluckers made I'm onlyplucking pheasants because the191302:01:57,300 --> 02:02:01,380pheasant plucker is late.Usually,191402:02:02,400 --> 02:02:06,060Ryan, thanks a lot. By the way.I did want to say that, you191502:02:06,060 --> 02:02:09,900know, the booths that come to noagenda go of course, the clip191602:02:09,900 --> 02:02:15,930custodian and they go to to DredScott. And I think we're far191702:02:15,930 --> 02:02:19,350enough along the road and Ithink we have enough 2.0 value191802:02:19,350 --> 02:02:23,610for value podcasters who arealso do album art. If you put191902:02:23,610 --> 02:02:30,450your your Alby address or yournode ID in the information where192002:02:30,450 --> 02:02:34,140your your images if, if, if wechoose you, I'm going to put you192102:02:34,140 --> 02:02:38,310in the value split of the noagenda feed. Does that make any192202:02:38,310 --> 02:02:41,070sense? Yeah, that's cool,because everyone I could just go192302:02:41,070 --> 02:02:46,050sign up and get an Alby rightnow being you just said here's192402:02:46,050 --> 02:02:50,730my details and then all I haveto do is plug it in was let's192502:02:50,730 --> 02:02:52,500get these artists some stuff andsome sets192602:02:52,530 --> 02:02:56,340if anybody wants to do show artfor this for our show do for a192702:02:56,370 --> 02:02:58,680second thing oh yeah, greatidea. Well, we'll give you a192802:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,240split yeah absolutely. Def192902:03:00,240 --> 02:03:02,460a sound bites to Oh yes.193002:03:03,150 --> 02:03:07,860Easy for you to spend our moneygently. Down man.193102:03:16,680 --> 02:03:21,27010,101 says and he says IRC plusplus okay, we gotta vote for is193202:03:21,270 --> 02:03:22,500this is gonna be a grudge match.193302:03:24,150 --> 02:03:25,680No, I'm sorry. I193402:03:25,680 --> 02:03:34,770protocol grudge match, a grudgematch. Let's see. 333,333 SATs193502:03:34,770 --> 02:03:36,030from crimson deer.193602:03:37,710 --> 02:03:41,550Show shot caller 20 years bladeson am Paula.193702:03:42,690 --> 02:03:46,260Third time's a charm. All thethrees. Thank you, Adam and Dave193802:03:46,260 --> 02:03:49,680and the whole podcasting. 2.0team. Mike Newman. Oh, that's193902:03:49,680 --> 02:03:50,430Mike again.194002:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,670Matt and Mike you're out ofcontrol. He has a he reached a194102:03:53,670 --> 02:03:57,300million. No doubt. Did he? Yeah,probably more than a million.194202:03:57,690 --> 02:04:05,520Holy cow. Oh man. Thank you,Mike. And bombshell, sir Speth194302:04:05,700 --> 02:04:10,620sir Spencer 100,000 SATs throughcurio caster and he says Happy194402:04:10,620 --> 02:04:13,620100th episode thanks for all youhave done for Valve favor value194502:04:13,620 --> 02:04:16,560podcasting, decentralization andprotecting freedom of expression194602:04:16,740 --> 02:04:20,100in the podcasting environment.He restored our passion for bowl194702:04:20,100 --> 02:04:23,130after bowl and helped us improveour value proposition in our194802:04:23,130 --> 02:04:26,880show over these past almost twoyears. We are ever grateful sir194902:04:26,880 --> 02:04:30,840Spencer and Dame DeLorean dela.com. Thank you guys195002:04:30,840 --> 02:04:35,160so nice. Really appreciate thesupport.195102:04:36,990 --> 02:04:42,210Let's see we got Chad Ferro.100,000 SATs 100k for show 100195202:04:42,240 --> 02:04:43,110Boo.195302:04:44,700 --> 02:04:47,370Nice 100 Fire195402:04:47,400 --> 02:04:49,530Fire Fire one time for the onetime.195502:04:53,370 --> 02:04:59,490Jeff arrow dropped 3333 andanother 100,000 says 100k for195602:04:59,490 --> 02:04:59,970the Washington195702:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,420You guys are crazy. It's just socool.195802:05:04,650 --> 02:05:08,820And did you read sourced? Socongrats on episode 100? Yes, I195902:05:08,820 --> 02:05:11,130think I did the 100k196002:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,720if not hundreds just torecognize it there you go.196102:05:15,750 --> 02:05:23,850Yeah as you pipe pipe CD. Allright. Thank you source let's196202:05:23,850 --> 02:05:30,630see God's out one Macintosh andis for 1000 Set boosts. And he196302:05:30,630 --> 02:05:33,930says listen to Thursday'slistened to Thursday episode and196402:05:33,930 --> 02:05:37,410note oh no agenda about diedlaughing at the old man boost.196502:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,230Give me an old man boost andagain congratulations on 100196602:05:40,230 --> 02:05:41,880episodes boost boost boost. I196702:05:41,880 --> 02:05:42,840know what that is.196802:05:43,590 --> 02:05:49,920Oh, man. I'm exhausted. Wefinally get the delimiter comic196902:05:49,920 --> 02:05:53,970strip blogger. There he is.15,033 sets and he says how do197002:05:53,970 --> 02:05:59,310you David Adam, on September 3in 1939, the United Kingdom, New197102:05:59,310 --> 02:06:02,460Zealand and Australia declaredwar on Germany after the197202:06:02,460 --> 02:06:05,880invasion of Poland. Exactly. 25years later, inventor of197302:06:05,880 --> 02:06:11,550podcasting, Adam Curry was born.So, happy birthday to you, Adam.197402:06:11,790 --> 02:06:12,330Yo,197502:06:12,690 --> 02:06:15,660thank you for connecting me toNazis. I really appreciate it.197602:06:15,810 --> 02:06:20,100CSB. highly appreciate it. Thankyou for supporting podcasting.197702:06:20,100 --> 02:06:24,1802.0 You've been doing itgenerously every single week and197802:06:24,180 --> 02:06:28,050with code to thank you all forboosting. That's really great,197902:06:28,050 --> 02:06:28,740really great bunch198002:06:28,740 --> 02:06:31,680of shadowy super coders. That'swhat y'all are. Yes, right, any198102:06:32,280 --> 02:06:36,540monthlies, guest monthlies,Aaron Reno $5, Pedro gun calvess198202:06:36,540 --> 02:06:44,460$5. Chad Ferro $20.22 SisterLoretta Vandenberg. $10 Scott198302:06:44,460 --> 02:06:50,400Jalbert $12 Martin, Linda Skog,$1 and Mark Graham $1. Thank you198402:06:50,430 --> 02:06:53,550to everybody and thank you toeverybody who's ever donated to198502:06:53,550 --> 02:06:56,910the show, even if it's justinterest just $1198602:06:56,970 --> 02:06:59,250more towards your time, talent,treasure.198702:07:00,420 --> 02:07:05,280Yeah, all you took you took timeout of your schedule to help and198802:07:05,370 --> 02:07:06,390it's greatly appreciated.198902:07:06,420 --> 02:07:09,720And we'll, we'll tally this up.We'll see how we did let199002:07:09,720 --> 02:07:12,540everybody know but thenumerology word really? I mean199102:07:12,720 --> 02:07:17,190100,000 SATs is $20 and justhave like just 20 thrown out.199202:07:17,190 --> 02:07:19,980Yeah, me I feel a little dirtylike a stripper. But come on.199302:07:19,980 --> 02:07:24,810This shit is good. It's working.But also just thank you for I199402:07:24,810 --> 02:07:28,230mean, this is not just Adam andDave but everybody knows that199502:07:28,260 --> 02:07:31,680this is everybody workingtogether. This is some some kind199602:07:31,680 --> 02:07:35,280of groovy formula that we'vestumbled upon and it just seems199702:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,430to work I personally think it'sbecause there is a monetary199802:07:38,430 --> 02:07:42,090thing involved everybody canshare a piece of but who knows199902:07:42,120 --> 02:07:45,930regardless, I'm very very verygrateful for this everything200002:07:45,930 --> 02:07:46,650that's happening.200102:07:47,070 --> 02:07:49,650And thank in really, thank you,thank you to the big to the200202:07:49,650 --> 02:07:54,360ballers with Nina Drib and ITARand Mike Newman, or, you know,200302:07:54,360 --> 02:07:58,320this million sad I mean that wemean going to Dallas wasn't200402:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,010cheap. And that comes out of theso far it's still on my card.200502:08:02,670 --> 02:08:03,030And we200602:08:03,060 --> 02:08:05,850you got to pay yourself back.But you200702:08:05,850 --> 02:08:07,680didn't you didn't have to payanything, right? It was all on200802:08:07,680 --> 02:08:08,910my card when you checked out.200902:08:10,170 --> 02:08:13,470Yes, it went to your card. Okay,so you'll, you have to transfer201002:08:13,470 --> 02:08:17,040that over. And somehow I've gotto figure it out. This goes back201102:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,210to your thing, John. You know,when you're talking about being201202:08:21,210 --> 02:08:26,670D platformed. And the potentialfor that I'm not so I had this201302:08:26,670 --> 02:08:32,430experience this week I'm tryingto pay for I'm trying to pay201402:08:32,430 --> 02:08:37,170myself back from the pet fromour Pay Pal for the cost on my201502:08:37,170 --> 02:08:43,950card to pay Tim, Tim K for theLMP node. And I'm trying to pay201602:08:43,950 --> 02:08:49,140this back and it's like, okay,well you can't you can't send201702:08:49,380 --> 02:08:51,720money unless it's for goods orservices because it's a business201802:08:51,720 --> 02:08:53,070it's a bunch of disability201902:08:53,760 --> 02:08:55,710so fucking complicated these a202002:08:55,889 --> 02:08:59,069nightmare. And then I go inthere and I'm trying to link a202102:08:59,069 --> 02:09:02,879bank account because Okay, gonnado transfer. I won't I won't do202202:09:02,879 --> 02:09:06,329a PayPal thing I'll just do atransfer try to link my bank202302:09:06,329 --> 02:09:09,089account to do it over here andit's like, you can't do this202402:09:09,089 --> 02:09:11,759because it's not you have to setthe name on the account supposed202502:09:11,759 --> 02:09:14,849to be the name is same as thename and Pay Pal. And do this202602:09:14,849 --> 02:09:18,689whole thing. I'm looking I'mlike, Okay, I'm afraid to doing202702:09:18,689 --> 02:09:22,169all this stuff. They're justgonna see like shenanigans going202802:09:22,169 --> 02:09:25,649on and they're just gonna closethe account like not not even202902:09:25,649 --> 02:09:29,129that it's content they get getsme the platform. But that is203002:09:29,159 --> 02:09:34,559this this flaky, finicky TriggerHappy financial system can just203102:09:34,559 --> 02:09:37,829be like, You know what, you'retoo much trouble got done. Like203202:09:37,859 --> 02:09:41,429or you did one thing wrong. Youtried to link something that203302:09:41,429 --> 02:09:44,729wasn't that we don't likethrough AI or something and203402:09:44,729 --> 02:09:46,289we're just gonna shut your wholeaccount203502:09:46,290 --> 02:09:49,680down. Yeah, there is a real riskfor that. It's really sucks.203602:09:49,950 --> 02:09:53,100I'm afraid to do too much to it.Because I'm afraid that they're203702:09:53,100 --> 02:09:56,100just going to be like, you know,you know what, this is weird.203802:09:56,370 --> 02:10:01,320You're done. And that that thatalone is worth the price of203902:10:01,320 --> 02:10:05,280admission for lightning or somealternative system because you204002:10:05,280 --> 02:10:08,910can you know if I needreimbursement for some expense204102:10:09,300 --> 02:10:09,600it's204202:10:09,630 --> 02:10:15,810how about this? Why don't we Whydon't we set up I can set up I204302:10:15,810 --> 02:10:23,100think I can set up strike on aon the podcasting 2.0 account.204402:10:24,210 --> 02:10:29,040And then we could just transferit and SATs. Yeah, maybe not,204502:10:29,070 --> 02:10:31,860which we'll think about butwe'll come up with something. I204602:10:31,860 --> 02:10:34,380love working around thesesystems is so stupid.204702:10:35,130 --> 02:10:37,650Ya know, it's so add a man so204802:10:37,650 --> 02:10:41,160maddening. What do we give thiscIgi guy who didn't? 10%204902:10:42,570 --> 02:10:47,880Yeah, 10% 10% Do you want him togo? You don't want to negotiate.205002:10:47,940 --> 02:10:48,330John205102:10:48,390 --> 02:10:52,470just sounded like that. Look,I'm just, I'm a rollover on this205202:10:52,470 --> 02:10:54,390sort of stuff. I'm just stokedto be here. So you know,205302:10:54,390 --> 02:10:55,380whatever you think is fair.205402:10:59,640 --> 02:11:01,560Saturday morning, whatever.205502:11:02,370 --> 02:11:06,420Straight? That's it. Okay,you're in the block. Good to go205602:11:06,420 --> 02:11:11,940there. Thanks. Yeah, no, ofcourse. Genesis long, long board205702:11:11,940 --> 02:11:14,580meeting. Do we need to doanything else before we wrap up?205802:11:15,240 --> 02:11:18,210I don't think so. I've got Ihave other things I want to talk205902:11:18,210 --> 02:11:20,040about that we will push intonext week.206002:11:20,190 --> 02:11:23,250Oh, yeah. Oh, there's so much totalk about so much to do. So206102:11:23,250 --> 02:11:26,340little time. John. God, thankyou so much, man for getting up206202:11:26,370 --> 02:11:29,910early for being a part of thiscommunity as well. And a big206302:11:29,910 --> 02:11:34,770part of it. And very activeparticipant. And thank you for206402:11:34,770 --> 02:11:38,070the financial support. It'sreally easy. It's like comes on206502:11:38,070 --> 02:11:40,740for free. Takes a cheap split.206602:11:43,950 --> 02:11:46,350Thank you for sharing all yourcode. Thank you for putting all206702:11:46,350 --> 02:11:49,560that up and sore. So we'rereally rip I know, that's you206802:11:49,560 --> 02:11:52,740didn't that wasn't somethingthat you were used to doing206902:11:52,740 --> 02:11:55,680right? You didn't really do alot of open source before. But207002:11:55,680 --> 02:11:57,720now when you get out of yourcomfort zone and started doing207102:11:57,720 --> 02:11:58,440that, I appreciate207202:11:59,099 --> 02:12:02,309that's okay. I'm just hope thateveryone anyone that can get207302:12:02,309 --> 02:12:04,739anything useful out of it, getsomething useful out of it. And207402:12:04,769 --> 02:12:07,709and thank you, both of you foractually pulling this together207502:12:07,739 --> 02:12:11,339kicking this off and it'sdeveloping a life of its own the207602:12:11,339 --> 02:12:14,369whole podcasting 2.0 thing isjust getting better and better207702:12:14,399 --> 02:12:18,269every week. So it's exciting tobe a part of it. Thank you.207802:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,500We're just getting started. Justgetting started. Have a great207902:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,590weekend. Great Saturday for you.Great weekend for you, Dave.208002:12:25,590 --> 02:12:28,230Thank you everybody in the chatroom. Thank you all so much.208102:12:28,230 --> 02:12:30,390Thank you for commenting on themastodon thank you for being208202:12:30,390 --> 02:12:35,310around. And we'll see you nextweek with another board meeting208302:12:35,310 --> 02:12:40,380podcasting. 2.0 see us righthere. We'll be late as usual.208402:12:56,910 --> 02:13:02,670Listening to podcasting 2.0Visit podcast index.org For more208502:13:02,670 --> 02:13:03,570information208602:13:08,280 --> 02:13:10,170please come and talk to usplease