Episode 100: Streamers and Dreamers

1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:06,480 podcasting 2.0 for September 2 2022, episode 100 streamers 2 00:00:06,510 --> 00:00:12,090 and dreamers everybody welcome to podcasting 2.0 Your weekly 3 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:16,620 board meeting for the podcasting next generation. Everything 4 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:21,360 happening in podcasts index.org Of course any developments with 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,210 apps wallets with posts with the most or maybe just stuff that's 6 00:00:27,210 --> 00:00:30,540 going on in podcasts index dot social I'm Adam curry here in 7 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:33,420 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. The man 8 00:00:33,420 --> 00:00:37,440 who two years ago today said Sure let's build it. Say hello 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,670 to my friend on the other end Mr. Dave Jones one time for the 10 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:47,160 one time one time for the No, I have removed it I have removed 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,090 the air horn oh 12 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:53,970 you did? Yes. I've divorced ruined it he did overuse it he 13 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:56,580 did and he screwed it up for the rest of us 14 00:00:56,610 --> 00:01:00,270 he did it was just no good man. No good 15 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:04,590 are the channels down channels down channel down I think 16 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:08,250 because the podcast index dot social was blowing up while it 17 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:11,280 goes like the channels are down. We killed the channels what 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:11,790 happened? I 19 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:13,950 don't know anything about this is blowing 20 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:16,560 up bonus up with episode 100. 21 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:21,150 Oh yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, the stuff that I've seen it all come 22 00:01:21,150 --> 00:01:25,410 in and nothing's broken as far as I can tell. But I do hope 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:33,210 that Tanner helps his listening. Because I don't understand this 24 00:01:33,210 --> 00:01:37,080 value for value stuff. You know, it just doesn't really work. 25 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:41,580 No, it just doesn't work at all. It's a failed experiment. We 26 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:42,630 tried. Oh. 27 00:01:43,410 --> 00:01:46,170 Oh, I see what's going on one. Let me just count Let me count 28 00:01:46,170 --> 00:01:51,420 the digits. 1234567 29 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:54,900 sit Whoa. 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,130 1,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott. 31 00:02:00,210 --> 00:02:04,230 Shot Carla 20 is blades on am Paula. 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,040 She's got on my channel 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,060 status a okay. Oh, we're still we're still five by five we're 34 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:19,320 in fine as far as I know. Wow. Yeah. And you know, it's so this 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,030 is this is a beautiful moment out there's sup Yo sup? One time 36 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:28,380 for the chimps in the 305 with a 100,000 or one says yeah, this 37 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:30,180 will go on for this will go on forever. 38 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:33,090 This is gonna this is not going to end well. This is going to 39 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:35,130 end with melted nodes is what this is. 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,950 Yeah. This is one of the beautiful things of value for 41 00:02:40,950 --> 00:02:44,730 value is the numerology when people it's kind of cool that we 42 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:48,390 have such large arrays of numbers to play with, you know, 43 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,810 you do 1000 SATs, you can do a lot of fun numbers with that. 44 00:02:52,770 --> 00:02:55,920 Yes, I hear you 15 year olds with the calculator upside down. 45 00:02:57,030 --> 00:03:00,030 But you can do as many as you want. Really, you can have 100 46 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:05,190 million, that's all fine. But when people just automatically 47 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:09,660 we didn't say give us 100,000 sat boosts. People just do that 48 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:13,110 it became a whole thing. This is how it works. Pay attention. 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,660 This is how value value functions. 50 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:20,520 This this is a that is a perfect that's a perfect way to go into 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,040 that topic. me because I had I had written this okay. You know, 52 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:31,170 I wrote a bunch of notes about about a bunch of things but here 53 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,520 here's let's see if you go back to the earliest episodes of this 54 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,760 show compare them to the to what is going on on each episode now. 55 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:46,020 Yeah. The beat the feedback from the listeners that jingles the 56 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:51,630 boosts the things that we do none of that was any it was part 57 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:56,790 of any plan ever. The the the listeners, the producers of the 58 00:03:56,790 --> 00:04:01,890 show, did it they created the show that they want. They know 59 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,910 you have now graduated that I'm curious value for value 60 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:06,930 University. 61 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:13,620 Yes, that not including the odd not including the audience in 62 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:18,210 the show. If you don't make your the audience a part of the show, 63 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,740 then they're your they're never going to feel a part of the show 64 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:25,170 and they're not going to feel the value connection. Yes, 65 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:25,680 you're not going 66 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,340 to your mileage will vary significantly. Yes. Yeah. 67 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:34,650 It's not a gimmick. It's not a gimmick. The listeners create 68 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,900 the show they help you create the show. 69 00:04:37,530 --> 00:04:42,330 And that's where value for value expands from time talent and 70 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:46,740 treasure because you can you can help in many ways. 71 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:52,590 See dub says don't consume the content become the content. I 72 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:53,430 like it. Yeah. 73 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,350 I like it. And you know, I gave it a gave it a stab at bit block 74 00:04:58,350 --> 00:05:00,900 boom on if you had a chance to see it's all He was really, 75 00:05:01,020 --> 00:05:03,960 really low. So I don't know if many people watch the video. 76 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,610 Yes, I saw I watched it in bits and pieces all throughout the 77 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:12,240 week it was, I couldn't get one consistent time slot to do it. 78 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,090 But no, it was good. It was good. You really 79 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:18,690 know it's getting tighter, it's getting tighter. You had a lot 80 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:19,590 you had more 81 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:24,210 freedom to, to, to do it in there at that conference than 82 00:05:24,210 --> 00:05:27,390 you did at Podcast Movement. You already get such a tight window 83 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:27,780 there. 84 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,350 Oh, yeah, there was, there was there was no explaining value 85 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:36,060 for value at Podcast Movement. But this was also a room full of 86 00:05:36,090 --> 00:05:38,760 Bitcoiners. So people who already kind of have an 87 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,200 understanding of time value, you know, these these concepts 88 00:05:43,230 --> 00:05:46,950 that's kind of baked into a Bitcoin owner, which I think is 89 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:51,330 why it's so attractive to me is like, okay, I get it. So it was 90 00:05:51,330 --> 00:05:56,640 really easy to, I think. Yeah, I mean, it's a big concept for 91 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,110 people. And I think unless you really, that's why I love what 92 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,590 Chiron is doing the value for value podcast, unless you really 93 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,790 pay attention to how this feedback loops work. And I'm 94 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,540 trying to come up with a great acronym. It's basically it's ask 95 00:06:13,020 --> 00:06:17,850 its repeat. Its ask, acknowledge, I want to call 96 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:20,430 somebody like ours, but I couldn't. So I kind of gave up. 97 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:26,400 I gave up on trying to name it, once I can name it flow better. 98 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:34,500 You know, and it's, it's easy to miss what is going on? Because 99 00:06:34,740 --> 00:06:39,180 the main point is, it's yes, it's a way to, if I can just use 100 00:06:39,180 --> 00:06:44,040 the word to monetize. But that's really incorrect because you're 101 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,280 exchanging value, but it's just, you know, it's like, it's like 102 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,480 Venmo just trying to explain something easily monetize, and 103 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,440 it's a content format. And we haven't figured it out for all 104 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,900 for all podcasts, etc. I mean, there's no there's many 105 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:01,200 different ways of doing it. But the acknowledgement cycle has to 106 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,100 be in there. It's like Texas, slim meat stayed overnight, 107 00:07:05,130 --> 00:07:10,110 whatever it is slim drives from the panhandle to Austin, which I 108 00:07:10,110 --> 00:07:14,460 think is like, like 500 miles or something. And he drives it a 109 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:17,640 lot. Yeah. So stop off in Fredericksburg. You know, we we 110 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,170 feed his horses and we we we put them up in the bunkhouse 111 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:27,900 Where does what's the big city in the Panhandle in? Amarillo? 112 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:31,320 Amarillo. Yes. And with the Cadillacs with the Cadillac, 113 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:31,710 he's up 114 00:07:31,710 --> 00:07:38,970 there. Yeah, he's up there. And oh, yeah. And so he, you know, 115 00:07:38,970 --> 00:07:41,040 he's, he's running value for value. And this is very 116 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,550 difficult for him because he literally is a cowboy. He grew 117 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:48,510 up as a cowboy. As a rancher, he rode rodeo and professionally, 118 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,950 he's been around cattle and around just farm all his life. 119 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:56,790 But he then also got an education in telecommunications, 120 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:00,060 and he worked in I think telecommunications intelligence 121 00:08:00,060 --> 00:08:03,660 or something. Oh, yes. All Austin is spooky city. And then, 122 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,920 and then after he broke his neck, he got he got into into 123 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:10,410 food. What do you call foods, what he calls food intelligence 124 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,160 anyway, so he's not a guy that is not in his blood to ask for 125 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,850 money. That's not how it works. But he was able to translate it 126 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:22,500 to his own personality into a barn raising. Oh, a barn 127 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,530 raising. Yeah, everyone comes out and pitches in. Oh, okay. So 128 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,220 so he got that concept. And then he got $1,000 donation from 129 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,490 somebody, which was the largest he's received so far and said, 130 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:35,190 Okay, you have to acknowledge this. Yeah, that's a lot of 131 00:08:35,190 --> 00:08:38,340 money. You got to acknowledge it, because that also becomes 132 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:42,240 aspirational it it sets a bar, it's a community thing. You I 133 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,170 can't explain. We need a psychologist. It just works. 134 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:51,300 I'm glad you mentioned psychology, because it's so in 135 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:54,690 this I had a long discussion with with Tanner, he actually 136 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:59,580 pinged me on or DM me on Twitter. And he does this from 137 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:00,240 time to time. 138 00:09:00,930 --> 00:09:03,870 You want to explain what what the info the impetus was for 139 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:04,680 this ping? 140 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,330 You know, I really don't know. I don't, I don't really talk to 141 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:10,170 him. And we're not 142 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:14,520 what he wasn't, wasn't it because people were ragging on 143 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,210 his post. 144 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:19,230 I think this I think he wrote the I think he published the 145 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:21,660 post, roughly after we had this discussion. 146 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:24,060 Well, you did a good job, 147 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:31,230 evidently, but maybe I didn't do as good jobs. But, you know, he 148 00:09:31,230 --> 00:09:33,840 thinks me every now and then just, you know, once in a while 149 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,370 and just talks about being very vague, I think. I think he knows 150 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:42,870 that he's, I think he knows he's missing something. And I think 151 00:09:42,870 --> 00:09:45,570 there's a there's a mental thing, a disconnect there 152 00:09:45,570 --> 00:09:48,210 because I think he knows him. He's He's missing something 153 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:52,860 because it's clearly successful. Some and I'm speaking for him 154 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:58,650 unjustifiably as he sees that it is successful in certain 155 00:09:58,650 --> 00:10:04,440 situations in say, whoa, whoa, why? Well, I think he's being 156 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,980 intellectually honest. You know, as far as his understanding of 157 00:10:07,980 --> 00:10:13,200 the concept will take him. You know, that's as far as I can 158 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,250 say, because I don't I don't 159 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,040 I don't know. I don't I think it's just blockage. It's just 160 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,640 blockage. 161 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:18,420 I think it is, 162 00:10:18,420 --> 00:10:21,810 I think his bucket and actually, I prayed for Tanner this morning 163 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,870 and like, help him help him see the light. I'm not kidding. I'm 164 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:28,500 not kidding. I am a leaky bucket on the ship. Now. It's like, I'm 165 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:31,620 not gonna get mad about this, like, how can I help him see the 166 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:33,990 light? You know, slim gets it, he had needed a different 167 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:34,800 paradigm. 168 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:42,480 I think the hardest part, for a person. Thing who thinks like, 169 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:48,600 Tanner, as a podcast consultant type in this kind of thing? Is 170 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,050 they say, 171 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,500 there's no money in consulting value for value thing. No, you 172 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:54,870 answered the questions. You answered the question. There you 173 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:55,260 go, 174 00:10:55,560 --> 00:11:01,110 is the economics, economics in general, but also, it extends to 175 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:06,120 podcasting. Economics is not a math problem. It seems that way. 176 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:11,160 Because, you know, we have to do calculations and keep Ledger's 177 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:11,550 and stuff 178 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:15,180 I net. By the way, Dave is an Austrian economist in his spare 179 00:11:15,180 --> 00:11:16,830 time. I know this for a fact. 180 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,550 We, the that is the Austrian principle is the economics is 181 00:11:23,550 --> 00:11:27,510 not a math problem. It's a behavior problem. And when I say 182 00:11:27,510 --> 00:11:29,970 problem, I don't mean like something negative. I just mean 183 00:11:29,970 --> 00:11:34,050 it's a it's a behavioral thing to figure out. It's, it's why of 184 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,880 Ludwig von Mises didn't talk about math, right? Or models. He 185 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,270 talked about praxeology, which is the study of human behavior. 186 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:50,100 If if I offer if, if I'm a producer, and I offer this offer 187 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:55,560 this thing or, or this sets, but offer a thing, or this sets of 188 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:00,900 conditions are true, then what type of behavior is the most 189 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,010 likely outcome? Right? That's the types of questions you ask 190 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,740 about economic things, you don't ask? Well, if you know, p, you 191 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:16,560 know, p over you know, p over y, you know, on a on a slope of x 192 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:21,390 equal, that's not the right thing. So when you when you see 193 00:12:21,390 --> 00:12:24,450 somebody who's trying to understand the FBI, and they're 194 00:12:24,450 --> 00:12:26,790 trying, they're putting it into, well, if I have this many 195 00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:31,800 listeners, and I have this meat, you know, and this many are 196 00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:38,040 engaged for this many episodes. And then I can get this sort of 197 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,520 CPM on this ministry. So of course, you've already you've 198 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,090 already met. 199 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:46,890 Thank you. Thank you, we should have been talking about this. I 200 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:49,050 know that this is your stance because we talked about it. I 201 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:51,840 think outside of the show, I'm so glad that you bring this up. 202 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,740 But no matter how much, it's not a math problem, and no matter 203 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:59,370 how compelling you think the math is, you can write all this 204 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:01,770 stuff out and it can make perfect sense. I'm telling you, 205 00:13:01,770 --> 00:13:05,490 it doesn't work that way. Ask Michelle Obama, it does not work 206 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:06,060 that way. 207 00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:09,810 You know, had me up until Michelle Obama, then I kind of 208 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:11,640 lost shows, 209 00:13:11,850 --> 00:13:14,400 shows that you think you're gonna be successful and have a 210 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:24,240 certain audience sizes and that Oh, her? Yes. Both the 211 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,300 aggregation in this, again, applies to all of economics. 212 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:30,660 aggregate numbers are only useful after the fact. 213 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:34,680 Yeah, it's a modeling trailing indicator, 214 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:38,010 it is modeling them always fails. That's why central banks 215 00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:41,430 get it wrong. So often, macroeconomics is smoke and 216 00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:45,210 mirrors. It's, it's not something that you can do 217 00:13:45,510 --> 00:13:49,290 forecasting in that way. Is I mean, really, it really all 218 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:52,680 comes down to this. I think you have to be I'm sorry, go ahead. 219 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:56,220 I was I was going to say an excellent example of that was 220 00:13:56,250 --> 00:14:01,470 cheerleader Trump. Cheerleader Trump had a way of I believe he 221 00:14:01,470 --> 00:14:05,100 actually moved markets and paths in positive ways because of his 222 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:11,130 incessant constant reaffirmation and cheerleading of the market. 223 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:17,250 Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah. What you see it in the opposite way. What 224 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:21,870 happens when the with what was happening predicted yesterday? 225 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:29,010 was okay, if there's 100,000 print on the jobless number, 226 00:14:29,790 --> 00:14:31,350 then the markets are gonna 227 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:35,040 fly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And 228 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,770 it's like, that's exactly what you would wouldn't expect to 229 00:14:37,770 --> 00:14:41,760 say. But then the thinking is, okay. Well, if it's a bad print, 230 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:46,320 you know, on the on the unemployment rate in that means 231 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:49,980 that the Federal Reserve will be more likely to do quantitative 232 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:53,460 easing or to go dovish, therefore, stock market, boom. 233 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,610 It's like, right, right, right. That's all behavior. None of 234 00:14:56,610 --> 00:15:01,590 that is math. None of it at all. In it You know, you have, it 235 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:05,730 really all comes down to us subject, subjective value. These 236 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:11,250 are the these are economic laws, subjective value, you the value 237 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:14,790 of a thing is always determined not by you, but by the 238 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:19,470 individual that's acquiring it. And marginal utility, the more 239 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:22,950 of a thing you have, the less value you place on each 240 00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:29,070 additional unit of that thing. Those two principles are not 241 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:35,190 math, their behavior. And if you don't understand that, you'll 242 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:38,100 never understand value for value, because value for value 243 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,840 relies on those understandings of human behavior to function. 244 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,140 And it's interesting, because what you said there, I would not 245 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:49,260 have understood if I didn't understand value for value, 246 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,550 because value for value and action, you know, 15 years, by 247 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:58,050 the way, I was just thinking podcast consultants. I'm going 248 00:15:58,050 --> 00:16:01,620 to start praying for you too, because I have a land I guess 249 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:04,860 it's a group. I pray for groups come on the podcast in 2.0 250 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:09,240 people, no agenda, nation, people? I do. Yeah. But you 251 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,090 know, Texas, slim would be separate up, I pray for you all 252 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:18,870 the time. Keep them alive, Lord. Thank you. But I do I do. But 253 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:21,870 consultants, I always kind of like because of this problem 254 00:16:21,870 --> 00:16:27,150 that you just highlighted, like, you know, CPMs above I think 255 00:16:27,630 --> 00:16:32,820 becoming a podcasting 2.0 value for value consultant, where you 256 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:39,090 in perpetuity, or in some scale receive a split of that person's 257 00:16:39,090 --> 00:16:45,540 value block. And I'll take you one step further. You show me 258 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:48,810 how you teach people value for value as a consultant, and I 259 00:16:48,810 --> 00:16:53,280 will give you an official pod father certification as a value 260 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,230 for value consultant for a sub split of your split, obviously. 261 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,840 But just 1% just one person. 262 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:03,150 This is like Trump University. 263 00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:06,030 I don't know if it should be offended or not. 264 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:14,550 Is it's get do a bunch of stuff. And then I'll give you I'll like 265 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:16,110 certify you like you're also 266 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:22,830 Yes, Dave, thanks for blowing my cover. But seriously, I mean, 267 00:17:22,980 --> 00:17:26,580 think about why wouldn't you consult someone help them with 268 00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:30,240 value for value, help them hone their pitch help them with, you 269 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,000 know, the reminder, like a newsletter or some way that you 270 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:36,000 remind people is coming, you know, the social media as a lot 271 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,510 of different things. And then for X period, or whatever it is, 272 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,570 you get put in the value block. And of course, you get your 273 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:47,190 value based upon how well your client does. This is not a bad 274 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:48,000 vocation, 275 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:52,200 that it's actually a genius idea. That's a really good idea. 276 00:17:52,800 --> 00:18:00,600 It's in it's just like, you're you're trying to find an analogy 277 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,990 to that to happen to something because there's got to be stuff 278 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:05,430 that works that way already, right? 279 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,380 No, no, no, not at all. No, there's no analogy to this. This 280 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:11,460 is completely new. 281 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:14,640 All right, let me try to show you this. Sports. 282 00:18:15,629 --> 00:18:19,379 So I don't know anything about this. But okay, sports. Yes. 283 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:27,510 You could have maybe the analogy is like a sports. So you at the 284 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:30,210 elite level, you know, sick take somebody like a tiger, would 285 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:35,700 they those guys still have trainers and coaches? Sure. And 286 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,980 they pay those guys and they get paid good money. The better they 287 00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:42,390 do, the more they get paid. 288 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:49,260 This is my this is my mistake. John and I are divorced. And 289 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:51,960 I've been doing this for free with people for a long time. 290 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,980 We're idiots. Of course, we didn't have we didn't have the 291 00:18:55,980 --> 00:19:00,300 mechanism. Now we have the mechanism. This is this is 292 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:03,510 really interesting. I you know, I'm, I like this. 293 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,810 I like that idea. It's a it's a really good idea. Maybe 294 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Maybe you call it a value for value coach. I mean, that's 295 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,410 probably a more accurate description of what it is. But 296 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:16,680 But anyway, it's very it's verifiable, that the person has 297 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,290 you in their in their split, you know? I don't know, man, that 298 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:24,780 just kind of came to me. I'm like, I'm seeing an exit 299 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,980 strategy for myself. I get to 20 podcasts that I'm coaching 300 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:33,780 negotiating podcast on podcast broker in 301 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,070 Nice. Shall we bring our guests in because I feel like our 302 00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:42,960 guests can contribute very much to today's program, which of 303 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,220 course is not even a program. It's a meeting of the board. And 304 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:53,670 so of course, I know our guest and I, I've seen I know his 305 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,100 contributions, but I was thinking that hold on a second. 306 00:19:57,150 --> 00:20:01,110 What exactly does this guy do and Sounds like and I looked at 307 00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:04,680 his LinkedIn and which I put a link to, but I'm going to read 308 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,120 verbatim what Dave said. Because I thought this kind of covered 309 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,350 it all. Host of the causality podcast owner of the engineered 310 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:16,830 network, the developer of the sound biter app, several 311 00:20:16,830 --> 00:20:21,390 boosting scripts, including the cron boost, I think, has 2.0 312 00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:25,020 integrated across all of his shows an early adopter of two 313 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:28,080 point stuff. And he's an Australian ladies and gentlemen, 314 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,650 please say hello to John Chingy. How's it going? Good day to you, 315 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:38,400 sir. Early morning for you. I guess. What is it? 730 316 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:42,810 it is exactly. 730. Yes. So, thanks for having me on, guys. 317 00:20:42,810 --> 00:20:45,870 It's it's a thrill to be on here. It really is. Especially 318 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:49,920 on show 100 That's kind of blown me away. From the beginning. Oh, 319 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,100 man. 320 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:51,390 Did you bring up a present? 321 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 I I'll just shove it down the microphone. Hang on. 322 00:20:56,550 --> 00:21:02,700 Yeah, me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He has that Australian radio guy 323 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,410 humor. Were you in radio ever John? 324 00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:09,630 Not not radio. Right. Not broadcast radio? No. But my 325 00:21:09,630 --> 00:21:13,860 radio? Not exactly. I've been an amateur radio operator for 326 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:14,340 forever. 327 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,790 Bros 20 threes, ya know, right. 328 00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:22,530 I kind of watch. What's your calls? VK 40 Double ly. 329 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:28,230 Fortunately, K for DWI. You'll have to double i Yeah, you'll 330 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:31,950 have to go back through the archives. Unfortunately, I had a 331 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:35,010 long long running conversation with my significant other 332 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,960 regarding putting up antennas in my yard. And it didn't did not 333 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,310 go my way. So yes, some some things may have lapsed, but I 334 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:47,100 have every intention of reviving them shortly. But that's another 335 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:47,880 story. Yeah, I 336 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:51,780 I just I just made sure we got a bigger yard. I haven't set 337 00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:55,620 anything up yet. But that come I think every every Ham has that 338 00:21:55,650 --> 00:22:01,140 has that conversation. I haven't logged into QR zed.com. So long 339 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,540 as you see if you're gonna have photos on your on your profile 340 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:05,370 page. I'm a nerd. I'm a nerd. 341 00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,130 What is the big what's the big antenna? The one that just takes 342 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,810 up so much space? Is that a two meter? 343 00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:18,210 No, that'd be more like 10 meter. I'm sorry. 40 meter or, 344 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:21,060 God forbid, 80 meter is you have 345 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,740 to stretch to use. They we used to always the way we do a 346 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:28,980 distress the wire between like two trees in the backyard. It'd 347 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:30,540 be this bit take up half the yard. 348 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:36,360 Yep, I used to have a G five RV, which was a multiband dipole. 349 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:40,230 And it was it was pretty good. And I tried doing an inverted L 350 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:45,390 for 160 meters because I was truly insane. And I ended up I 351 00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:48,270 grabbed a capacitor out of an old TV set and I was using to 352 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:51,000 try and shoot it. Yeah, I didn't stop to think that maybe the 353 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,030 voltage there was a little high and I had up on the webbing of 354 00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:54,570 my hand was 355 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,480 gonna say like that can be like 10,000 volts or something some 356 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,580 crazy. Yeah, yes, I 357 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:01,830 have a little scar on the webbing of my hands. So that was 358 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,120 not a real ham until you've had RF burn or something like that. 359 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,360 We've We've all had that. And we all suddenly if I feel really 360 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:15,210 weird. It's one of those moments. Like half a kilowatt. 361 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:19,410 It's like, how do you? What kind of tingly? Okay, let's unki Oh, 362 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,670 okay, maybe we should look 363 00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:23,430 at what's going on here. Something is wrong. 364 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,180 Very funny. Good times. 365 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:29,970 But anyway, I've been wanting to have you on the show forever. 366 00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:36,900 John. Cuz I mean, you've you went into with both feet like so 367 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:42,240 early and just you have full on you embrace the running with 368 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,080 scissors ethos. Pretty much right off the bat. 369 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,680 I'm Brian embraced it before you coined the phrase. Yes, you 370 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,640 did. You conceptualized it, if not quite even if you didn't 371 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,540 coin it. So yeah, no, you you started. Let's see we started 372 00:23:57,540 --> 00:24:01,350 Wii for Wii U, or one of the the first Wii for Wii, a value tag 373 00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:04,710 podcasts. I mean, you had to have been in the first, maybe 374 00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:05,670 five? 375 00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:08,880 Yeah, I think it was in the first maybe 10 or so maybe does 376 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,020 first doesn't. So I started I look back, and I was when did I 377 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:17,940 actually do my first post on it was in December of 2020. And so 378 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:20,850 I then just for just for the hell of it. I look through my 379 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:25,470 and I guess that's my position is that I own the whole stack. 380 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:30,090 So I like I host my own feed. I host in air quotes. I mean, it 381 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:32,550 goes by Cloudflare. So you know, there's that but you know, 382 00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:36,480 anyway, so I used to go Hugo as a static file generator, and I 383 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,090 wrote all my templates and everything. And so I kind of 384 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:41,370 control the whole stack. So I don't have to ask or wait for 385 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:42,540 Lipson or 386 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,610 are you an email? Are you an emacs guy? 387 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:46,650 Oh, come on, 388 00:24:46,650 --> 00:24:52,080 but but I don't like VI and I much prefer nano but this may 389 00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:58,290 Yes. Sorry. No, 390 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,980 you have to win. You have to understand that I grew up in 391 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:07,020 Marvel of these guys who would just be their fingers are flying 392 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,030 and I'm just looking at the screen and like, this is like 393 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:12,540 magic. And I spent years dropping it picking it up 394 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,090 picking it up. And by the time I finally got a little proficient 395 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:17,250 everyone's like glad nano bitch. 396 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,390 Well, I will have to say, John, I saw a interview with John 397 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:29,400 Carmack recently. And he is using Visual Studio so I don't 398 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,910 was and he was recently asked about like the Emacs and he's 399 00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:37,050 like, he's like I tried it. I just can't get into it. I'm fine 400 00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:42,150 with the you know, with being a Frou Frou Adiga not? I do not 401 00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:46,740 need that in my life. Okay, I don't need RC files in my life. 402 00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:53,280 So are you doing video? That's because you were fine. 403 00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:57,810 Yeah, I did. Okay, you know, like, like, I have too many 404 00:25:57,810 --> 00:26:00,750 podcasts I've done, I started a lot of them, right, you know. 405 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:03,990 And so I tried the same thing with video. And I thought, hey, 406 00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:07,260 I could do a video podcast and do value for value on that as 407 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:09,990 well. And so earlier this year, it was actually over the 408 00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,780 Christmas break, I had the brainwave for inspiration. And I 409 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:15,120 did this little spin off, I guess you could call it a 410 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,850 pragmatic called pragmatic electric. And there are a whole 411 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:22,230 bunch of very short, like, three to eight minute long videos, 412 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,230 post them on the website, put them up with a with a video 413 00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:28,650 enclosure in the feed, and all the vapor value stuff and such. 414 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,920 And I also put them up on my YouTube channel. But of course, 415 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:34,890 you know, that wasn't really the intent I wanted to set. So I 416 00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:38,640 test the waters and it got some, you know, downloads I guess, but 417 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,490 really wasn't all that popular. So I haven't got back to 418 00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:45,570 unlimited five episodes and left it there. So I might come back 419 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:45,810 to it. 420 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,210 You have podcast debris is? 421 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,360 Yes. So I had a I had a look through my XML file and I looked 422 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,490 at all the different tags I've added and actually you surprised 423 00:26:56,490 --> 00:27:00,000 myself. So just to list them out. I've added locked Funding 424 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,730 Value good social trailer license, medium chapter 425 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:07,740 soundbite images, location, transcript and person. Nice. As 426 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:11,490 always, yeah, because why not? Right. Yeah. Because I've been 427 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:15,840 podcasting since 2012. Ish. Although my first efforts were 428 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,710 terrible. That's okay. I've gotten better with age. Anyway, 429 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:23,250 I'd like to I'd like to think so. And when I came across 430 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,500 podcasting, two point I was racking my brain is how did I 431 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,600 come across this? I just came across it somehow on the 432 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,620 fediverse. I don't know how I'm just glad. It was about I joined 433 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,560 about episode six. And then I listened to the back catalogue. 434 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,710 And I've kept up with every week ever since. And I'm like, Oh, 435 00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:39,690 that's a great idea. I could add that. Oh, that's a great idea. I 436 00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:42,690 can add that. And I just, you know, yeah, it just kind of 437 00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:44,280 snowballed. And yeah, there you go. 438 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,610 When you don't have customers, and you can you own the whole 439 00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:50,790 stack. It's so free. That's do whatever you want. 440 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,560 That was always our business plan. 441 00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:54,960 Yeah, don't have any customer. No customers. 442 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,000 They don't pay us. They're not really customers. 443 00:27:57,420 --> 00:28:03,990 That's right. So what is your so we were talking before you 444 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,640 entered the border and what what is your, on the vif on the value 445 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,390 for value thing? Like? You integrate it into your show? 446 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,900 Your show is your show is different. It's it's unique. 447 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,160 And, like, how do you I don't I don't want to open ask an open 448 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,740 ended question like how do you conceptualize V for V is more 449 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:30,180 like, I'm trying to understand what how you how you determine 450 00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:34,380 how that you're going to put it into the pitch or make it part 451 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,960 of your show? Because I like, I like how you do it. I mean, you 452 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,980 know, I'm a big fan of your stuff. But what how do you as a 453 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:46,320 host want. Let me step back for a second. One reason I'm really 454 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,770 wanting to have you on the show is because you're technical, but 455 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:55,950 you're also a podcast host. And you're a podcaster. And we don't 456 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,130 we don't really hear we don't have podcasters on the show very 457 00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:03,510 often, that we have really more more deep technical, like 458 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:09,360 coders. And since you're both inhale, it's it's nice to hear 459 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,300 what your perspective is from a podcaster side of things of 460 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,470 value for value instead of just on the technical side. 461 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:24,030 Okay. Well, I guess the thing is that I I never thought of it or 462 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:28,620 saw it as value for value by name necessarily, but it's 463 00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:33,090 something that I know that there has been referred to that way a 464 00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,510 lot by you guys. And Adam, of course, historically, it's 465 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:40,560 something that's sort of become a an ethos of sorts, I guess. 466 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640 But the point is that, prior to me integrating all this stuff, I 467 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,120 did have sort of loose feedback mechanisms, I guess you could 468 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,180 say and like if you want to support Shokan suppose on 469 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:56,370 Patreon, I started a Patreon in 2015. When I launched the 470 00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,340 engineer network, as a concept, I guess you could call it more 471 00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:03,000 than anything And when I did that, I said, Look, I'll give 472 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,090 you guys like anyone who's a platinum sorry, hang on not 473 00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:09,540 platinum, silver producer. And above all, they will get 474 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:12,750 acknowledgment like so I thank them every episode that sort of 475 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:15,960 like an acknowledgement, the acknowledgement component of the 476 00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:20,970 vase value. And it when when this VI vi came along, I hadn't 477 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,840 really come across Bitcoin, I mean, I knew what it was, I just 478 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,140 didn't dig into it. And you guys inspired me to dig into it. So I 479 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,920 built my node and, and I started to realize that what I was doing 480 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:36,360 for the longest time was kind of a very loose, slow, very 481 00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:41,070 platform dependents. Kind of value for value thing. Because 482 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:44,340 if I'm, if I'm going through Patreon, and Patreon decide, oh, 483 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,500 you know what, John, we don't like what you said on this 484 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,020 episode, because let's say I do an episode of causality. And 485 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:52,620 it's about, I don't know Exxon Mobil, or I don't know. And it's 486 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,980 critical of them. And they say, oh, you know, we don't like this 487 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,580 guy. And we're just going to D platformed. me off of Patreon. 488 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,250 I've lost all of my patrons, and I've lost a decent chunk of my 489 00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,520 income. So when I saw value for value, and I thought about, I'm 490 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,910 like, Well, you know what, this would basically sidestep that 491 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,270 issue completely, because it would be almost impossible. I 492 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:14,160 say, almost impossible. Anything's possible if you're 493 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,010 really motivated, but far more difficult, which is why I like 494 00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:19,080 it when Adam says it's censorship resistant, is 495 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,560 resistant, yes, non immune, but definitely resistant to those 496 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,110 sorts of deep platforming attempts. And when I brought it 497 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:28,230 on, I just found it was a natural fit, just to simply 498 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:31,470 extend that and so I'm, for example, now, Dave, you started 499 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:35,640 supporting causality through repeating cron boosts. And by 500 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,860 the way, thank you for that script inspired me to write my 501 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,480 domain, we're using our G RPC. But the, the idea is that now 502 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,940 I've added you as well, because I have a script that then looks 503 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,040 for that and says, yep, that's the monthly There you go. And I 504 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200 add that to every show read now. And that's the feedback 505 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,590 mechanism. So okay, I don't know if that answered the question or 506 00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:56,460 not. But I see. It fitted nicely to be honest with what I was 507 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,050 doing, and it's just made it better. 508 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,910 So was it was the prime motivator there? Because I'm, 509 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,090 there's two parts to the value for value, was the prime 510 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:10,350 motivator, the censorship resistance? Or do you also see a 511 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:14,160 benefit to not structuring levels for people and leaving it 512 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,030 free and open? 513 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:22,380 I do like that as well. I guess I so I saw, okay, it's a really 514 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:26,220 good question. I have multiple tiers in my Patreon. And I did 515 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:28,410 that so that people could feel like they could support at any 516 00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:30,690 level that they felt. But the problem is that they're still 517 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:34,440 predefined levels. And ultimately, you can't tell 518 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,090 someone what something's worth, which is what you've just talked 519 00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:39,390 about before. And so the value of it also gives people the 520 00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:42,960 complete, ultimate flexibility to contribute whatever they want 521 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:46,440 on an infinitely granular scale, which is brilliant. And you 522 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840 can't really do that, because you can't have an infinite 523 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800 number of tears and Patreon. But you can with a devalue, so to 524 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,100 speak. 525 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,500 Yeah, that's one of the things that we're talking about in, in 526 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,950 this conversation that I had with the, with Tanner was that, 527 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:07,980 you, you it's about eliminating the floor and the ceiling. It 528 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:13,110 really is like, when you I don't think this is hard for people to 529 00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:18,570 I think get their head around is that when you have a set price 530 00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,880 on something, it's not like, there's an illusion of control, 531 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:27,630 where you can say, where you say, Well, I'm extracting this 532 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,380 value from the from the listener, or from the, you know, 533 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:36,000 consumer would or whatever. But this really doesn't work like 534 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,400 that. Because if the price isn't right, they just won't buy it. 535 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:43,740 And so, like it within the market, that's, that goes back 536 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:46,920 to the marginal utility aspect. And that, that I think, is part 537 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,820 the subjective value part of it, I think is easy to understand 538 00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:56,760 them where the listener assigns the value, the marginal utility 539 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,390 part is harder to understand, I think, you know, in the concept 540 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:06,270 there for people that don't know that term is that when you ask 541 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:10,080 yourself the question, not why would you buy something? But why 542 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,500 would you keep buying? Why would you keep buying more of a thing? 543 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:17,340 So something like, let's just say that you have, you go to the 544 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:24,330 grocery store, and the hot dogs are on sale, and you buy in 545 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:28,920 there on sale for half price? So instead of buying one pack of 546 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,670 hot dogs like you normally would you buy two? The question is why 547 00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:37,830 wouldn't you buy three or four? Or five? Like why would you stop 548 00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:41,130 buying them if they're a really good price? And the answer is 549 00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:47,100 because every time with every additional pack that you buy 550 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,710 every additional unit, your your value, your your perceived value 551 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,880 of that thing, or your value you place on every additional unit 552 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,130 goes down. That's the marginal utility and In the the fact that 553 00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:06,270 there's 4 million podcasts out there, there's always something 554 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,470 this, there's always something you can listen to next, there's 555 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:17,370 no lack of content. So how do you get your listener to not 556 00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:23,220 only value your content, but see it as unique as something that 557 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:28,470 is, it's not just another pack of hot dogs in that's, that's 558 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:34,050 where removing all the barriers, removing this sort of artificial 559 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:41,130 ceiling and artificial floor pre creates a range, this huge 560 00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:47,160 window, where any perceived value can be rewarded, not just 561 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,000 predefined levels where you say, okay, in order to get, you know, 562 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,330 in order to show me value, give me value back, you have to hit 563 00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:57,360 this threshold or this other threshold, which are arbitrary, 564 00:35:57,510 --> 00:36:02,100 you, you remove the barriers, and then you show the listener, 565 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:07,770 the uniqueness and the value proposition that you have. I 566 00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:13,170 think that's probably the harder part to understand. But when you 567 00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:18,120 when, like, when you do like the cron job, here's here's the way 568 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,930 I saw that when I wrote that thing, and started sending out 569 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:27,360 cron job boost. I was a hand Magic Mouse with you. I love 570 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,670 causality. It's one of my favorite podcasts is moment on 571 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:35,280 top three. And I was afraid that you would stop. I was afraid 572 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,600 that if I don't support John, because they because I know that 573 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,720 you Your show is very unique, it gives gives information that I 574 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,210 can't get anywhere else from an expert in the field. And also, 575 00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:54,690 that it takes a long time and a lot of prep. I mean, it takes 576 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:57,450 you I don't know how many hours to prep in an episode of 577 00:36:57,450 --> 00:37:00,690 causality, but it's clearly a lot. And I'm like, You know 578 00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:04,650 what, this will burn somebody out. If I don't reward him, he 579 00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:08,010 may stop doing it at some point. And the longer it goes, the 580 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,890 reward is actually going to go up, because I'll get more afraid 581 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:11,430 of that. 582 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:16,560 Yeah, it's yeah, I look, I really do appreciate it. And I 583 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,440 appreciate I'm grateful that I have people that are fans of, of 584 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:27,060 causality, you know, as much as you are. I hear what you're 585 00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:31,380 saying and the situation with why would I give what I stopped 586 00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:34,110 doing or what I get burned out? The truth is, I already had kind 587 00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:37,740 of had that burnout moment back in early 2015. And I actually 588 00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:41,400 stopped podcasting for nearly six months. And because I used 589 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,610 to do pragmatic every week and ice do similar at similar levels 590 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:48,030 of prep, my record was 40 hours of prep for an episode. And I 591 00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:50,880 was doing a day job and I had young kids. And it was it was 592 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,460 not a good situation. So I had to just sort of like take a 593 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:57,060 pause. So the cadence I've tried to go for is every month and 594 00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,030 doing a monthly show, because weekly at that level of detail 595 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,060 that like the level of quality I want to have in my in my shows, 596 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,810 I need to put that time in. I feel like I need to I sorry, I 597 00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:11,730 can't not do it. So but yeah, I mean, and the great thing about 598 00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,750 the way that they value has been set up with booster grams and 599 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:19,080 streaming sets. And now we've got, you know, cron boosting, 600 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,060 for example, for regular repeated boosting is you've got 601 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,630 the ultimate flexibility you can choose how to support your shows 602 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,210 the way that you want to. And I think that that is something 603 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,920 that is just not available anywhere else. 604 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:36,540 Oh, man, I love listening to you nerds. I wanted to throw 605 00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,420 something on the table that kind of hit me it's really simple. 606 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:44,700 And I think kind of came bubbling up for me during our 607 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:50,010 time in Dallas. Like wow, we need more people developing apps 608 00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:54,750 and we need to somehow communicate that they're there. 609 00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,210 This is the hard part. I believe there's a market for some other 610 00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:04,410 podcast listening experiences. And one that comes to mind is 611 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:08,430 what I'm calling the OMA app. And if you speak old Texan, 612 00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:13,590 German Texan, OMA is the grandma. And and it's an when I 613 00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:18,270 envision this because I see it all the time on on TV. It's like 614 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,630 look at this phone. It has huge buttons and has a really loud 615 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:25,770 speakerphone. Like the jitterbug. Yes. Yeah. Like that, 616 00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:29,910 like the jitterbug. Okay. There's a significant audience 617 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:35,310 that is just struggling a little bit. Because it's still just a 618 00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:39,660 little bit too. Most of the screens are busy, there's clips 619 00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:42,660 and there's all kinds of features. I'm talking something 620 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:48,810 really, really simple. Yeah, like, just simpler than anything 621 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,110 we have. I just feels like there's there's a market there. 622 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,960 And I kind of know this because there's there's people who are 623 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,230 60 and up there trying to, you know, they listen to a Korean 624 00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:02,550 zookeeper which is surprising it DNS turns out, and they're 625 00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:05,850 really struggling in the trial. And as I can see, it's just 626 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:10,140 there's just too many options too many triple button, you 627 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:15,630 know, triple dot menus that are hidden. It's just not a normal 628 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:19,020 discovery mode for I think, a very large group. 629 00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:24,990 What? what's your what's your daily driver podcast app? John, 630 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:26,790 to put you on the spot? 631 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,710 Well, I actually have two now. So Brian to podcasting 2.0 I 632 00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:36,180 used overcast. But since podcasting 2.0 apps have 633 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:40,380 essentially matured and support the whole value of anything I 634 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:44,370 now run to so anything it's a as a streaming value app, I play 635 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:47,040 through cost thematic, and anything else that isn't goes 636 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,150 through overcast because yeah, I just, yeah, just thematic. 637 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:57,090 Yeah, I'm the same way a go up pretty much live in cast ematic. 638 00:40:57,090 --> 00:41:01,350 And then I bounce over to overcast when I need to. And I 639 00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:05,670 think I think what I like about caster Matic may be what you're 640 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:15,690 talking about Adam. It's the the touch points. And a real big in 641 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,140 its it just feels less cluttered and busy. 642 00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:22,710 Crap. Yeah, this is the one I really don't use because I'm no 643 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,730 longer I have no longer have apple in my life project at 644 00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:32,190 Apple for my life. Interesting, okay, that I can dig one up 645 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,010 somewhere and check it out. But besides that, I just feel that 646 00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:38,760 there. It's unexplored. I don't want people to get caught. I 647 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,450 don't want to be bashful about you know, some other crazy idea 648 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,580 you might have, particularly as we're gonna hopefully talk about 649 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:48,330 music. 650 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,240 Yeah. I'm gonna make you want to talk about that. Let's go. Let's 651 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,890 go for it. Have you had some ideas this week? And I talked to 652 00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:05,190 the dystopia guys, last week, and I feel like we have a lot of 653 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:11,730 I feel like we have a lot of routes to music in. I'm not sure 654 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:13,740 how to make it go faster. 655 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:17,130 Yeah, this is what I've thought about. Okay. So first of all, we 656 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:22,620 have as far as I know, one app that has a music interface, 657 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:25,710 curio caster, I don't know if there's any other and I also 658 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:30,300 don't, I think this should be a separate app. You know, Spotify 659 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,870 is having a hard time putting podcasting into music. Why would 660 00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,000 music into podcasting be any any easier? That's just me. I'm not 661 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,870 a developer. So I'm just laying out what I think would work for 662 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:49,620 a really didn't hit me until I realized how big how over 663 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:56,610 capitalized and what a shit show. SoundCloud is, man, you 664 00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:58,200 gotta look at the you gotta look at him we 665 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,930 keep talking about they're like corporate structure was messy or 666 00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:05,910 something. Oh, my God, this so much. So much money has gone 667 00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:08,940 into this. And of course, what happened is he had let me just 668 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:18,420 look it up for you. SoundCloud, Spotify, it is perhaps one of 669 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:24,960 the largest collections of music in the world. But as it was, 670 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:33,180 it's been completely mismanaged. As I said, over capitalize, it 671 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:36,570 just listened to it's like, so many so much money went to this 672 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:42,480 hundreds of millions of dollars. And it was got huge. When it got 673 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,450 really big. When not then the record labels they tried to get 674 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:49,980 in, they bought another 75 million here 75 million their 675 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:55,260 purchase, but not now. It's just a thing that just sit there sits 676 00:43:55,260 --> 00:44:00,180 there. And it's kind of has no future here, but what they have 677 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:07,470 is RSS feeds with enclosures. So here's this thing. And shoot, I 678 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:11,640 just close it. If you look at the stats of how many artists 679 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,190 and I mean, it's kind of like everybody, I think every artist 680 00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,210 still has one or they still upload their. You know what I 681 00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:19,980 mean? It's like one of those things. You still have one, 682 00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:20,520 don't you? 683 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:24,840 Yeah, it's like it's like a, it's like a MySpace account or 684 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,560 so. Exactly. 685 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,980 Exactly. But you know how it works, you know how to upload 686 00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:33,990 it. So if someone wants to 2.0 enable their music, and this is 687 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,370 hundreds of millions of artists. It's crazy how many people on 688 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:42,690 this thing. If they haven't already. In their settings, they 689 00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:48,630 have to enable RSS feed, enable the RSS feed. And then the next 690 00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:52,890 step would be an onboarding similar to podcast or wallet 691 00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:55,650 except two things have to happen. And this is what I 692 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:59,970 wanted to discuss because, you know it's a shim, but unlike 693 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,830 Like, when we started with podcasting 2.0, you know, the 694 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,260 hosting companies, they had the RSS feed, they had the 695 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:11,160 enclosures, we put the shim in the value the value block shim 696 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,600 into the into the index. If we can add a shim, that when 697 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,300 someone claims their, their music wallet, that then we flip 698 00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,780 the bit on the medium tag to music, so every app now can 699 00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:30,630 recognize Okay, and then hopefully, that would drive if 700 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:35,160 not SoundCloud itself, other places like this topia and other 701 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,910 music sites to start generating 2.0 compatible feeds with the 702 00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,410 medium tags set to music, and then then I think we're off to 703 00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:48,300 the races. Then how hard is it for when amp to implement some 704 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,310 of this stuff? You know, I was like, Come on people, let's get 705 00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:51,600 some energy into this shit. 706 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:55,710 Well, the the problem, the only problem? 707 00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:59,370 The only issue is why there's two of us. Yes. 708 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,230 The only the only issue is that there would have to be some sort 709 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,560 of you can't assume that everything on SoundCloud has 710 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,830 music, because it's not. So the SoundCloud can be anything. I 711 00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:19,200 mean, there's lots of spoken word podcasts that are on 712 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,070 SoundCloud. Just 713 00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:28,230 then you can say, you can say it does. Does your feed contain 714 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:32,610 music tracks? And then you I mean, yeah, you obviously you 715 00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:35,490 make it a choice? Because yes, some people actually use that as 716 00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,210 a podcasting platform. They have entire instructions on how to 717 00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:44,070 get your SoundCloud podcast into iTunes. So I think we if we hand 718 00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:50,310 them that one extra bit at their responsibility, of course, then 719 00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:53,790 we can start developing music apps or start integrating music 720 00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:55,620 apps from from the index. 721 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,620 What would that look like? So that would that look like on 722 00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,440 onboarding them in the same way? There's like a podcast or 723 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,010 wallet? Yeah, 724 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,340 exactly the same way could it could be an app itself, we just 725 00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:09,690 like, like fountain does it interacting with us? And then 726 00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:12,450 you say, and then there's just this extra question that says, 727 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,250 Is this a music podcast? 728 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,670 Yeah, and explain it. You know, this means each each. Each entry 729 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:23,340 in your, in your feed is a music track. 730 00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:28,440 Okay. There's something out there. There's also something 731 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720 out there that can, by the 732 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,410 way, why don't we put that into input into podcaster wallet to 733 00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,620 just add that right in there? If someone has a podcast that using 734 00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:41,490 a podcast host and they want to flip the bit to to music? Give 735 00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,510 them that opportunity? 736 00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:46,080 Okay, yeah, so you're saying leave it, almost like leave 737 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,330 everything the same? And then just say, 738 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:53,040 under the hood, yeah. But we need a different hood. We if we 739 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,330 go down the road of now you can do music and podcasts is it's 740 00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:59,700 not a good story. I don't believe that's the way to go. I 741 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,650 think we need fresh ideas, fresh music, music players, music 742 00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:07,800 apps. Don't try to confuse the two don't make it podcast or 743 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,420 wallet now also for music. Drive everyone towards the music 744 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:15,120 stuff. It's the same thing on the back end. It's just you 745 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,920 understand what I'm saying? If we're gonna do music, it has to 746 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:27,240 be it has to be kind of divorced from podcast. For it for people 747 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,080 to understand. 748 00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:31,950 There needs to be a different app. Yeah, well, different 749 00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:39,810 apps, but also a different way to to claim your wallet is just 750 00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:43,470 a different music to point out whatever whatever we call it 751 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,670 music wallet. 752 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,450 As musicians wallet. Yeah, it's 753 00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:51,810 doing the same thing underneath. Yeah, with a split editor so 754 00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:56,700 that they can put their writer composer musicians who played 755 00:48:56,730 --> 00:49:01,890 etc. Yeah, it'll need explaining. It'll need writing. 756 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,660 None of which we're good at. 757 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,430 Speak for yourself. We're great. I'm great at it. 758 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:12,930 No, no, your job is to build terrible Your job is to build 759 00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:14,820 snazzy UI. That's your jobs. 760 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:21,540 Yes. It makes you well then well, 761 00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:24,810 wow factor that UI wow factor. 762 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,150 There's like 140,000 Spotlight just posted. There's like 763 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:35,400 140,000 SoundCloud feeds in the index. That's, that's a large 764 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,830 corpus of the material to 765 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:41,580 that would be pretty good. Now. Now if we can reach out to those 766 00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:45,300 people or, you know, once we need an app, someone needs to, I 767 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,550 mean, I think Steven B is working on something dedicated. 768 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920 It can be a web app, you know, as long as we get started with 769 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,690 something, this is what we saw. We saw podcasting 2.0 and all 770 00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:02,370 its glory really start to take off Very early on, actually. And 771 00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:07,140 we had Martin from pod friend, he gave it a try, and it just 772 00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:11,220 didn't work. And it's very hard to build an RSS feed generated, 773 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:16,950 particularly one that imports an existing feed. And Steven B, he 774 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:18,480 fucking grinded through it. 775 00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:21,900 And then he went through all the terrible parts and got to a 776 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:22,980 finished product peak. 777 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:26,730 And he got he got out the other end. And he's got some scrapes 778 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:31,260 and bruises smells a little funky. But but it's it's that I 779 00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290 think once we could create our once we were eating our own dog 780 00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:38,190 food on the on this show in particular, then it really 781 00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:40,380 started to work, it really started to sing. And once 782 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,040 anybody could just check out a feed and mess with it and create 783 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,610 a pirated, feed and put chapters in it and upload it to anchor. 784 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,390 You know, that's when stuff, I think that's really when stuff 785 00:50:51,390 --> 00:50:55,860 took off. So to have just as easy conversion for SoundCloud. 786 00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:59,850 And then moving forward, I can see hosting companies doing 787 00:50:59,850 --> 00:51:03,420 this, it'll be this, it'll be the same path. But this is this 788 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,480 is the way forward for a lot of this stuff. And I think people 789 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,600 are just now starting to see we're really at the cusp. I 790 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,090 thought we were not we're really at the beginning of this if 791 00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:12,990 people getting it. 792 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:19,080 So the SoundCloud thing is is there. Do they on their side, go 793 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,410 through the process of making sure that it's not copyrighted 794 00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:25,080 content? And yeah, they do all that work. Yes, 795 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,220 this is the beauty of it. That is the beauty as a police it, 796 00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,920 you know, but they also have licenses and they have licenses, 797 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,820 I think, where you can add stuff to your mix your hip hop mix, or 798 00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:39,330 your samples that you put in. And that's, that's what's so 799 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:42,240 great about it. And they already went through all the I remember 800 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,420 this too, they went through all the hassle of setting up the 801 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:49,140 somewhere I even I was interviewed, I think for the New 802 00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:52,620 York Times, I said this is great. This is great what 803 00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:54,660 they're doing. And then you know, I don't know what 804 00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:58,170 happened, but it was didn't get bought, get bought resold 805 00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:01,890 refinance is a shitshow. But it's sitting there as this big 806 00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,840 behemoth just waiting to be tapped 140,000 feeds man, if all 807 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,740 people had to do is just claim their wallet and and say yeah, 808 00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:15,270 music boom, you got a pretty good, a pretty good base there. 809 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,190 And musicians, they inherently understand value for value, I 810 00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:20,700 think. 811 00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:24,690 On a certain level there used to there used 812 00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:26,370 to be a core. So yes, this is 813 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,170 as all artists are, in some way. 814 00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:35,160 So I'll just keep revisiting this. Because until someone does 815 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:41,700 I know we have what maybe you have a 3030 feeds in there that 816 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,070 have medium equals music set. 817 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,450 Yes, not a lot. So once that goes up is a good, it's a 818 00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:52,110 sandbox. I mean, we it's enough to work with that to say thank 819 00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:58,380 you, you know, I think this can be I think there may be a chance 820 00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:02,370 to automate this. And I mean, to a certain extent that I don't 821 00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:04,650 mean I don't mean getting I don't mean going crazy with it. 822 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:07,770 No but snip snip as you get. I'll be Flippity flop flop. 823 00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:11,190 Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking flippety flip flip 824 00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,860 snip, like there's your lb Flippity flop flop. 825 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:25,830 So there's gotta be a way to to look at the sound file, the look 826 00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:30,780 at a sound file and say, Okay, this is spoken word. This is 827 00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:33,900 music. I mean, the waveforms are completely different, right? 828 00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:35,880 There's got to be a way to automate that. 829 00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:40,740 Yeah, but why not just do it. Just having it work is missing 830 00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,080 the point. If we don't have someone getting in there, 831 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,580 getting into a wallet and setting that up and starting to 832 00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:51,090 see the beauty of plays coming in, then I think we 833 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,270 I get you on that point. I'm just saying that like if 834 00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:59,820 somebody to take if you can onboard a person, and then they 835 00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:03,180 don't have to make a decision. Like you don't have to go 836 00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:06,540 through the process of explaining is this mute? Is this 837 00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,780 music and when I say Music What I mean is Is it a music? Is it a 838 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,110 show that has music as tracks instead of a show about music? 839 00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:14,970 You don't have to go through all that stuff. It's just like boom, 840 00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:17,070 boom, boom, no, or whatever. You know, I 841 00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:19,590 disagree. We need to turn it around. We need to we need to 842 00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:27,600 put that up front. This is for music tracks. Yeah. That's it 843 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,800 don't ask convoluted questions don't this is from music tracks. 844 00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:37,110 Okay, here's here's a better intro better explanation. It's 845 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:37,560 basically 846 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,650 it's just it's just a it's like a button you have to press after 847 00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:44,640 you've already asked to come in. Okay. I mean, it's you don't you 848 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,610 don't need to explain at all if you're coming from SoundCloud 849 00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:48,960 just ordered for this. 850 00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:52,260 It's already down this hill. So what Yeah, 851 00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:52,830 clearly. 852 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,310 What I say what I'm trying to say is can Could you could you 853 00:54:59,670 --> 00:55:04,140 like To double check them or something and say you onboard 854 00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:08,730 them and you're like, this music pod, wallet something.com or 855 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:12,390 something, you bring them you bring a person in, and then it 856 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:17,610 says, or podcast or wallet itself says, Oh, hey, this these 857 00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:20,490 tracks looks like music. Is this a music podcast? 858 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,170 Oh, okay. Oh my god, where did you go to Silicon Valley on your 859 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:29,910 way back from Dallas? Did you stop off at the at the Frou Frou 860 00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:30,480 farm? 861 00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:35,850 Yeah. Okay, I get understand that you're now insulting me 862 00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:38,760 because I insulted you by calling Trump University. So 863 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,980 here's what I'm trying to say. Okay. In order I believe I could 864 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,970 be wrong in order for this to be successful. This needs to be 865 00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:55,500 divorced, not technically, not developmentally, but but 866 00:55:55,500 --> 00:56:00,150 musician and listener wise, has to be divorced even from the 867 00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:05,370 word podcast. Yeah, it's not a part of the podcast index. It is 868 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,690 under the hood. But it's it's, you know, value for value eyes, 869 00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,890 your music already on soundcloud.com? Oh, okay. What 870 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,030 do I do? You get this wallet over here. Okay. And now, how do 871 00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:24,000 I prove that this is me? And you know, we have to see if they 872 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,670 have owner emails. I don't know. I haven't even looked that far. 873 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:31,470 And then good to go. Yes. One last step. Make sure that this 874 00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:35,670 is only music tracks, yes, click boom done. You're working. It 875 00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:42,150 has to be if we if we roll it in to podcasting, and podcasting 876 00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:46,920 2.0 I think it's a mistake. It doesn't mean that I see these 877 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,400 coming together later in my grand scheme, where I can play 878 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,140 music on my podcast, and put a portion of that into my value 879 00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:57,540 split to pay. The artist is going to come back together. 880 00:56:57,570 --> 00:56:58,770 That's the vision I see. 881 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,570 Yep, I agree. I've just been sitting and thinking about this 882 00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:05,310 on the side as you've been describing. No, I'm sorry. 883 00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:09,810 We had a guest. Yes. Oh, Hi, there. I'm sorry. I'm passionate 884 00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:10,470 about this. 885 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,310 Oh, no, I love it. It's all good. I mean, this is just a 886 00:57:14,310 --> 00:57:16,920 paraphrase. There's two gaps. The first gap is how do you 887 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,120 enable any musician to get a musician wallet on any hosting 888 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,970 platform that start with SoundCloud, as easy as possible, 889 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,490 we have a shim for that we reuse it, but we have to rename it. 890 00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,520 And then the second one is, the problem with the apps at the 891 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,250 moment is that they're all podcasting focused, it would not 892 00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:35,640 be too much additional work to take an existing app that's 893 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,970 focused on podcasts and just clone that and rebrand it and 894 00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:41,400 then focus it a little bit more on the features you're looking 895 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,120 for out of a music app. One of the things and if you do both of 896 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,090 those things, then you enable you close both of those gaps. 897 00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:50,490 And then that, that inspires more musicians to give it a 898 00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:53,550 shot. And I think that that is necessary for us. We have to 899 00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:57,030 solve both problems. Before it will really take off but without 900 00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:59,940 the shim, you can't even you they have to, you'd have to say 901 00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:02,550 them. You have to host on this platform using these tools. 902 00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,310 Otherwise, it's the only way to get a wallet. So yeah, 903 00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:06,180 absolutely agree. 904 00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:09,420 It may go further than that, though, John. And may it may go 905 00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:14,190 to the point of I'm not sure that this even is you almost 906 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:19,230 have to you have to have the app first. Yeah. This this music app 907 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:19,470 has 908 00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:22,980 to yes, you're absolutely right. And which is why I say we have 909 00:58:23,550 --> 00:58:27,000 you know, Steven B and curio caster, and I think he's working 910 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480 on something but I completely it kind of has to. I mean, let's 911 00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,380 let's retrace our steps. What was the first app that came 912 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,630 online? Well, we had was the first one that came online. Day 913 00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,810 was it as opposed friend pod friend? I'm thinking with 914 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,790 with all we had we were with value failure with that? Yeah, 915 00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:48,660 that was wild. 916 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:53,610 swings, of course, was the first one. Yes, yes. Yes. So we had an 917 00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:57,330 existing system, which, well, there's an excellent example of 918 00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,270 something that should have worked had all the elements, but 919 00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:03,870 it was never branded as such. It was, well, this is something 920 00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:06,660 else. This is not a podcast later. Yeah. Yeah, it was a 921 00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:10,320 channel. Yeah, exactly. So. So that's why it was hard to make 922 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,560 that it had all the right data, you could have rejiggered that 923 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,030 thing, and put everything upside down and made it a podcast app. 924 00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:21,000 And I think, forget about the issues of how they manage 925 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,210 channels and wasn't really set up to do this with 926 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:28,260 micropayments. But you're absolutely right, someone has to 927 00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:34,080 really hunker down and get something that is compelling. 928 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:37,800 But also, I mean, I see these, like when HAMP, you know, 929 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,130 they're still developed that thing. Yeah, there's great 930 00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:44,250 install base and lots of older software that can just 931 00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:47,400 completely come back to life. Does that make sense? I didn't 932 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,840 mean to insult you, Dave. I'm sorry. I 933 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,690 didn't know he didn't know I did not feel that was just 934 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,820 I felt like I had to make it clear that it's weird because 935 00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:58,920 where are we going to talk about it here who's going to be 936 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,120 working on it? Same people You 937 01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:03,120 know, if I'm talking if I'm talking like a Silicon Valley 938 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,220 douche, it's all with this. Well, you're well, within your 939 01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,340 rights to call me doesn't go into the floor for that. I fully 940 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:12,450 expect, I would think less of you if you did not. I think that 941 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:16,680 the app, this is a big ask because the apps are secure. And 942 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,460 he has to write them. Somebody has to write a, a podcast music 943 01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:29,490 app. And like, I think you could do it. You could get a head 944 01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:33,660 start on it, because there's already open source code. That 945 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:41,670 part of the other side, and this sort of gets back to. To John to 946 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:46,230 you as well. Is part of the beauty of part of podcasting. 947 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:52,050 2.0 is a project is that it has spawned so much open source 948 01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:58,650 code. So pod verse is completely open source and go. What is the 949 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,910 any anytime podcast player is completely open source? That's 950 01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:06,240 what is that your dog is mine letter that your dog? Oh, 951 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,920 that's, that's my dog. Okay, that's banjo. In the meantime, 952 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,120 player is also completely open source is based on flutter. And 953 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:21,240 so that's what breeze used to pull in. There's a lot of code 954 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,780 out there that could be taken and repurposed into a podcasting 955 01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,590 music app. And 956 01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:29,190 I'd say that the choice you'd want to make early on is do you 957 01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:33,570 just want to make a kick ass app that understands what to do? Or 958 01:01:33,570 --> 01:01:37,740 do you want to also do the onboarding part. And I would 959 01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:41,010 personally recommend not to do the onboarding part just yet. 960 01:01:42,570 --> 01:01:47,370 But if I mean, I can't speak on your behalf day, but I think we 961 01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:51,600 could certainly fork off the podcaster wallet into something 962 01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:56,550 that then also sets the music, the medium flat tag to music, 963 01:01:56,970 --> 01:02:00,000 that could be ready to onboard we can test it I mean, you know, 964 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,670 we get a SoundCloud account, if we can test it, if it works, 965 01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:06,780 then you know, we'll do our job and hopefully someone else will 966 01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:10,200 will jump in or find somebody or upgrade an older player. There's 967 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,240 gotta be stuff out there that can do this. 968 01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:17,640 Yeah, there's I think so. You know, I'm never gonna we're 969 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560 never gonna write an app or anything like that. It's just 970 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,200 not we're not No No, the only thing we're ever gonna do we 971 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,690 need we need somebody else to do we're going to do index the 972 01:02:24,690 --> 01:02:33,390 stuff and in in ideas and but we need somebody else to do this. 973 01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:33,720 Oh, yeah, 974 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,010 definitely. My grand vision and it's really comes into view is 975 01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,130 if we have that part if we have musicians understanding value 976 01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:47,730 for value 2.0 feeds the reason the what we're missing in the 977 01:02:47,730 --> 01:02:51,900 music industry today is what the radio industry got for free. 978 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,540 Radio doesn't yes, they pay ASCAP BMI blanket license, you 979 01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:00,690 know, it's a portion of their revenue. That's all they pay the 980 01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:03,390 not to pay artists and not to pay record companies. It's only 981 01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:05,760 the Performing Rights Organization. And that's how 982 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,540 music is brought to the forefront. It's it's promoted by 983 01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:12,930 people who are either part of like a top 40 format and you're 984 01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:15,840 you're you're playing what's what's popular anyway. Or you 985 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,830 have your college radio, you know, kind of experimental 986 01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:22,050 alternative, these are all things that used to live within 987 01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:25,740 our culture, and that with Spotify and, and really with 988 01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:29,550 file sharing, that role went away. And that has now been 989 01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:33,360 picked up by two companies. But the main one is tick tock. And 990 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,660 all they do is they're in you know, they I think I'm going to, 991 01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:41,370 I can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure they make deals to promote 992 01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,520 certain things over and over again, but you just go ahead and 993 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,360 look every single, even you know, like Diana Ross has to 994 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,750 have a tick tock these days, the record companies demand it. So 995 01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:55,350 we can bring that back and say, Hey, and we can put these 996 01:03:55,350 --> 01:03:59,520 mechanisms to some degree into verifiable stuff like I played, 997 01:03:59,610 --> 01:04:03,360 I played your song on my show to anybody who either listens to 998 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,230 the whole show, or maybe just that, that segment of time, 999 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160 which I could map to your value block. I mean, these types of 1000 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,920 things will become really possible and then we can really 1001 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,850 promote music again. Music podcasts are non existent for 1002 01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:21,420 this very for this simple licensing reason, which we I 1003 01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:24,720 think we'll be able to solve with some of this. 1004 01:04:25,259 --> 01:04:29,489 I can tell you, I had any experience the other day, we 1005 01:04:29,489 --> 01:04:33,509 were in a sandwich shop. Me and my family went Monday night to 1006 01:04:33,509 --> 01:04:37,379 little sandwich shop down the street and ate. And they were 1007 01:04:37,919 --> 01:04:39,929 playing we were the only ones there. They were playing some 1008 01:04:39,929 --> 01:04:44,489 music. And I was talking to tell them listen, my wife was like, 1009 01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:46,769 you know, oh, this is your jam. You know, this is a band she 1010 01:04:46,769 --> 01:04:50,609 liked. And then it hit me all the sudden I'm like, Oh man, I 1011 01:04:50,609 --> 01:04:53,129 hope they're paying their license out their pain and ask 1012 01:04:54,629 --> 01:04:57,599 because at least two other restaurants around town recently 1013 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,109 within the past year I've gotten hit hard. You Yeah, for play for 1014 01:05:01,109 --> 01:05:04,469 playing it over the piece and I'm like, man, what? And it just 1015 01:05:04,469 --> 01:05:08,879 made me so aggravated like, wow, sucks, man, the state of things 1016 01:05:08,879 --> 01:05:11,249 sucks. And if, if there was a, 1017 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,280 okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you happy. I'm gonna make you 1018 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,690 real happy. Sweet. Okay, so instead of looking at your file, 1019 01:05:18,690 --> 01:05:23,100 oh, I think you meant music. So we will get to a point where 1020 01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:29,790 people are streaming value for value music in their bar. And 1021 01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:32,130 people will be able to sit there and go, Hey, I really liked this 1022 01:05:32,130 --> 01:05:36,690 song. Your phone will be able to identify what song it is. And 1023 01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:37,830 then you can boost them right away. 1024 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,080 That Silicon Valley, you said I was went through so 1025 01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:46,620 I'm trying to see JaJuan cool. He didn't say cool about your 1026 01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:52,650 shit. Yeah, of course, because I'm a dreamer would be very, why 1027 01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:56,130 not? But think of, can we talk about the stats package? We saw 1028 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,860 that someone showed us, Dave. Talk about that. I get I'm 1029 01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:06,990 sorry, man. Are we under NDA? Anyway, we saw a value for value 1030 01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:11,550 statistics package, which showed a timeline and showed how many 1031 01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:14,760 people know what was listening were dropped off boosts with 1032 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,690 booster grams, the whole exactly what you'd want to see. I mean, 1033 01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,960 now just imagine if you shift some of these ideas, and you've 1034 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,230 got that timeline. And you can see what song was popular 1035 01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:28,740 because you know, there was more more boost to gram or boost 1036 01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,400 activity during that time is mind boggling what we can do. 1037 01:06:32,910 --> 01:06:36,480 But we have to bring the music in. And if you think podcasters 1038 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,270 are tedious, and they don't get shit and try musicians. 1039 01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:45,060 Yeah, I can only imagine. But here's here's the thing I still 1040 01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:48,120 have yet to understand is do any actual human beings work at 1041 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,530 SoundCloud? Because 1042 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,430 they probably not. Very few think. I 1043 01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,370 think it may just I think it may just be on autopilot at this 1044 01:06:56,370 --> 01:07:00,300 point. I think there may be. Yeah, yes. It's AI. It's like 1045 01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:01,770 two guys. Yeah, 1046 01:07:01,919 --> 01:07:08,729 it's very possible. And it's a big accounting office. I'll tell 1047 01:07:08,729 --> 01:07:09,179 you that. It's 1048 01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,160 all accountants, it's all accountants. There's nobody in 1049 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,590 tech anymore. And they don't know that they're not there. 1050 01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,040 They just left. And all the accountants think that the data 1051 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,990 guys are still there. They're 1052 01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:22,410 just little little simulators on their mouse and keyboards that 1053 01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:23,850 makes it looks like they're still alive. 1054 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:28,590 It's like the you know, wiggle the mouse every now and then. I 1055 01:07:28,590 --> 01:07:32,640 think this No, I'm 100%. I'm 100% SoundCloud 1056 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,760 has evolved from a traditional online streaming platform to an 1057 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,370 entertainment company with premium offerings, including 1058 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,940 advanced Audience Insights, playlists, pitching tools, and 1059 01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:45,540 promotional marketing resources for its users. SoundCloud was 1060 01:07:45,540 --> 01:07:48,870 the first streaming service to adopt the and implement a user 1061 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:52,380 centric payment model for artists called Fan powered 1062 01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:57,900 royalties. No la fan power fan, five, I found 1063 01:08:01,170 --> 01:08:02,190 a way to say second, 1064 01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:03,420 I know I'm bad. 1065 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:09,870 The plot is, but this article does say Did they hope to be 1066 01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:12,600 profitable in 2023? Yeah, 1067 01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:17,100 good luck. So they got a Series A was two and a half million 1068 01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:21,000 euros and then somewhere down here, SoundCloud announced in 1069 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,660 January 2014. It had commenced licensing negotiations with 1070 01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,320 major music companies to address the matter of unauthorized 1071 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,020 copyrighted material regularly appearing on the platform. 1072 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,800 denouncement followed a round of funding in which 60 million was 1073 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,730 raised resulting in a $700 million valuation. So they're 1074 01:08:38,730 --> 01:08:42,090 not so they're not even a unicorn you suckers. Let me see. 1075 01:08:43,770 --> 01:08:49,650 2017 SoundCloud announced layoffs went wrong wrong. It had 1076 01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:54,390 to reach $170 million greement for some bullcrap. Let's see 1077 01:08:54,390 --> 01:09:00,660 where they are now. 2021 They announced a new pay model. Oh, 1078 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,780 that is the fan powered royalties. Let me see. 1079 01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:06,690 I think a couple of months ago they Annette or maybe last month 1080 01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:11,310 they announced layoffs. No, no doubt. Well, that's where that's 1081 01:09:11,310 --> 01:09:12,630 when the rest of that team people. 1082 01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,090 Canadian electronic music producer Vincent earnings jumped 1083 01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,200 to $600 a month up from 120 a month under the pooled revenue 1084 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,800 model. Hey, that's a rip off that whole thing sucks. You can 1085 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,930 do better with value for value than 120 bucks a month. Oh yeah. 1086 01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:36,660 Oh my goodness. For sure. And and they they've I mean, we 1087 01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:38,730 don't have to worry about anything everything else it's 1088 01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:42,150 all set. So I think we just figured out how to entice 1089 01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:44,970 people. You know what, once it's up and running, we go into those 1090 01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:48,030 wiki pedia and we just edit this wiki pedia trust me it works. 1091 01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:51,960 Put in there and podcasting 2.0 music 1092 01:09:55,620 --> 01:10:02,430 the wood. So John, I can imagine sound biter. Yeah, for for me 1093 01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,250 for music. I mean, like, you know, that whole idea where you 1094 01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:09,180 take, you've got your catalogue, there you go. And you'd let your 1095 01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:14,130 fans create sound bites and give them splits. There you go for 1096 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,090 for snippets of music that you can use for discovery. 1097 01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:21,810 Hardly, yeah, why not? Why don't 1098 01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:24,450 we solved all problems with the world? Gentleman, this is great. 1099 01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:25,980 It's so proud. 1100 01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:30,150 I just, I just want to add one more thing, Adam to the idea of, 1101 01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:32,220 of making sure it's a music focused app, because I was 1102 01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:34,830 thinking as you're talking about what, and I don't want to hold 1103 01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:37,950 apple up necessarily as the this is what we should all do kind of 1104 01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:40,770 thing, but cast your mind back to when everything was in 1105 01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:44,880 iTunes. And if you wanted to do music, podcasts, you know, file 1106 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,920 transfers, absolutely. Everything was in iTunes. And 1107 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,820 then they split it out to a music app and a podcast app and 1108 01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:54,390 an end and they separated them all out. And the research 1109 01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:58,050 suggested that people when they want to go and do something, 1110 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,660 they want to go to the app that is specifically tailored for 1111 01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:03,630 gas, because listening to music is subtly different from 1112 01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:06,240 listening to an audio book, which is slightly different from 1113 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,060 a podcast, like I was thinking speed skipping, for example, you 1114 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,040 don't want to do that. And in music, that's a function that 1115 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,950 doesn't make any sense. Right, you know, is a pig's eye 1116 01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:15,480 absolutely needs to be tailored? 1117 01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:18,810 And actually, oh, no, totally. And, you know, there's things 1118 01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:23,370 that need to be worked on such as, you know, chapters, that's 1119 01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:28,050 now of course, covers, and it can be include lyrics, captions, 1120 01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:33,510 or transcripts, you know, we need to I don't know how the 1121 01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:36,360 services do with getting lyrics, but you need to be able to 1122 01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:39,660 simply throw your lyrics in somewhere and synchronize it 1123 01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:41,850 with with the song I mean, there's all kinds of stuff that 1124 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:46,290 can be worked on. But everything is there, the namespace once we 1125 01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:51,420 the medium tag is what really did it as genius. That is, that 1126 01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:54,720 is the thing, and we've got all the infrastructure set up 1127 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,230 everything is good to go. And man, can we have a lot of fun 1128 01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:59,370 once we figure this out? 1129 01:11:59,670 --> 01:12:04,170 Will you take this Alex Alex for solve this problem? Yes, a long 1130 01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:08,430 time ago, and yes, it and solve this with for no agenda tube, 1131 01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:11,820 and saw that this was also going to be a music issue, because we 1132 01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:15,210 can, you know, two years from now or a year from now, or 1133 01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,140 whenever this happens, we can say the we can just take this 1134 01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:24,120 exact discussion and rehash it for audiobooks. And just do 1135 01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:26,970 like, because it's going to be the same thing. Yep. It's going 1136 01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:28,890 to be you know, audio, movies, 1137 01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:34,140 documentaries, books, you know, we'll we'll need PDF readers, e 1138 01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:38,460 readers, whatever, totally, it works. Well. Now, when I'm not 1139 01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:44,610 when I'm unsure of is how the Ask will work in music. You know 1140 01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:48,660 how you reward people, but I think that's where we can. 1141 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,860 That's where groovy little widgets like leaderboards and 1142 01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:57,510 super fan posters, and that's where it boosted grams, making 1143 01:12:57,510 --> 01:13:00,510 them public may make sense. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff 1144 01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:03,000 has to be experimented with is there's no there's no right or 1145 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,640 wrong way to do it. Because if you're not getting any SATs, 1146 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,380 you're doing it the wrong way that I do now. 1147 01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:15,570 Well, so play, play buzz cast, clip one. I think when people 1148 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,050 are voting with their wallets, we can see different types of 1149 01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,770 shows come up to the top. Because all you really need is a 1150 01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:26,400 small audience that really loves your content, rather than a 1151 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,940 really large audience that is just like, hey, being informed 1152 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,700 about the news is worth 20 minutes of my day, one of the 1153 01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,970 things I always keep coming back to is if we want to avoid some 1154 01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:38,850 of the negative things that happened with the rest of the 1155 01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:41,550 internet, like because everything was sucked into, like 1156 01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:45,300 the monetization strategy for everything was ads. YouTube is 1157 01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:50,250 ads, news is ads. Everything that we do is ads. Were trying 1158 01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:52,680 to keep us on platform all the time and give up tons of 1159 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,840 attention. So they can sell little pieces of it to an 1160 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,200 advertiser. And we've just seen so many ways that that goes 1161 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,300 wrong. But if we want a different world, we have to pay 1162 01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:06,600 for a different world. And we actually have to vote for that 1163 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,140 different world. I know my three favorite podcasts I pay for him. 1164 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:17,250 Okay. Yeah, that that's, I think that applies as well. Sure to 1165 01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:22,410 music, because we're going to you know, the idea here, 1166 01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:24,420 actually, we can go 1167 01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,630 well, it can if I can if I can just say one thing. Yeah, sure. 1168 01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:35,730 What I love about the music idea is that I know in my heart, I 1169 01:14:35,730 --> 01:14:41,880 will set a rate that makes the three minute song worthwhile for 1170 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,720 the person who gave it to me. Yep, that's exactly where that's 1171 01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:49,200 that's where it gets beautiful. I mean, I stream typically 200 1172 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,290 sets a minute to any podcast I've listened to, and which I 1173 01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:55,680 think is a good number. But if I'm if that's my time, like 1174 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,530 Yeah, I'm this I'm listening to this and it adds up at the end. 1175 01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:00,480 You listen to an hour what is that? To 1176 01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:06,120 what is that tuner sets a minute to under time? 60? This year the 1177 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,160 engineer will we have an engineer in the boardroom? So 1178 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,830 yeah, what can you do the math for us there? You should add up 1179 01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:11,640 all the zeros and 1180 01:15:12,929 --> 01:15:14,009 calculate an account. 1181 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,120 Is it 12,000 12,000 SATs? Am I saying it 1182 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:23,670 right? 20,000 rent? was 120,000 for an hour test, would you say 1183 01:15:23,670 --> 01:15:24,990 200 times 60? 1184 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,449 That's 12,000. I 1185 01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:31,680 got my calculator 100. That was 82. 1186 01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:35,700 So how much is that in in fee and Fiat fun coupons to have 1187 01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,210 that as about as two bucks delivered dollars dollar? buck 1188 01:15:39,210 --> 01:15:39,570 and a half? 1189 01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:44,130 I think I need to update a bit. But I read for music, like all 1190 01:15:44,130 --> 01:15:47,130 day long, you know, it's like and some and some I would even 1191 01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:49,860 want to set it hey, if if something comes through on a 1192 01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:53,430 playlist, and it's from this artist or this band, automatic 1193 01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:54,390 up the SATs. 1194 01:15:54,900 --> 01:15:58,380 Okay, that's that's the part that we don't get yet. Because 1195 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,450 I'm not trying to say that. But what I mean is, like, there's 1196 01:16:03,450 --> 01:16:08,670 going to be experiences of ways to pay and ways to do these 1197 01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,270 things that we can't envision, of course, and so we're taught. 1198 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:18,060 So you know, you brought up what about the pitch and how the VC 1199 01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,550 they're very different from music, very different, very 1200 01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:23,280 different, very different. And but but it will evolve, it'll 1201 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:23,700 happen. 1202 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,450 And here's where the where the lit comes in. You know, some it 1203 01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:30,630 will be appropriate for some artists or bands or some 1204 01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:35,400 performers to use the lit tag to go live to maybe use that as 1205 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,700 fundraising or use that as a weekly here's what I'm doing or 1206 01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:42,870 progress report or whatever. With you know, with with live 1207 01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:46,650 booster grams. I mean, this is it's a lifestyle. It's the new 1208 01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:49,980 international lifestyle of value for value, and we're living it 1209 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,710 and everyone's gonna start to realize it's, it's a pretty good 1210 01:16:52,710 --> 01:16:56,670 way to do it. Because you can't be Jay Z and Beyonce anymore. 1211 01:16:56,670 --> 01:17:00,390 You can't be Joe Rogan. You can't be Megan Markel. But you 1212 01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:04,830 don't need to be. You don't need to be number one, the charts are 1213 01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,100 ridiculous that it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter? And if 1214 01:17:08,130 --> 01:17:11,250 and if, and if you're able to get 1000 people who will only 1215 01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:14,610 use this one particular app, then you're golden. You know 1216 01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:19,110 what I mean? It's like, do you need to be able to survive? I 1217 01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:21,060 think I told you right away, Dave, this is gonna be a lot of 1218 01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:23,040 fun. Some of the best work we ever done, we're not gonna make 1219 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,830 any money off this, we certainly won't be millionaires, let alone 1220 01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:28,200 billionaires. If anyone has a billion out of this, then we did 1221 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,030 something very wrong. That's the whole point is value for value. 1222 01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:41,160 Yeah. Yes, I think the I think the streaming per minute thing. 1223 01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:46,140 That's really, we get caught up in the booths. And they're, 1224 01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:48,900 they're fun. But I think the streaming per minute thing is 1225 01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:52,440 really where the rubber meets the road for some of these other 1226 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,280 things like maybe audiobooks or music. In podcasting, it works 1227 01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,180 because there's a quick, there's a real fast feedback loop. Yeah, 1228 01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:03,270 it especially if you have like a weekly show or something like 1229 01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:08,220 that. But but on music, the per minute, and that's going to be a 1230 01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:11,730 lot of meat there. Because you can really set you can say, 1231 01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:17,550 Okay, I'm going to budget this much actually play buzz cast, 1232 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,510 clip three, 1233 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:20,790 clips, three, 1234 01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:24,060 but the value for value model gives you the option to either 1235 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:27,030 stream SATs while you're listening, like so many per 1236 01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:30,660 minute, or you can just boost and so that is every month, you 1237 01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:34,560 could just deposit like $20 into your podcast or wallet, and then 1238 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,360 you could boost it out as you're listening to episodes. When 1239 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,070 you're out of money. You're out of money for the month, like I'm 1240 01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:40,200 not gonna refill this wallet Until next month, 1241 01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,710 I'm gonna discipline podcasters who was speaking? 1242 01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:47,370 That was Kevin, Kevin. Kevin, 1243 01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:49,170 I want to kiss you on the lips, man. 1244 01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:56,640 That that per minute, that's a great. It's just it's, it's not 1245 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,430 very, it's not very talked about, I guess it's the per 1246 01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:05,370 minute side of podcasting. Because the booths take the take 1247 01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:09,390 the limelight, that per minute side on a music app. If I were 1248 01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:12,210 to be like, Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to take that 10 bucks 1249 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,500 a month that I spend on Spotify or 15 or whatever. And I'm going 1250 01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:21,420 to put $15 You know, not too into the podcast music side of 1251 01:19:21,420 --> 01:19:25,920 things and it's just always streaming in every if, you know 1252 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,180 if everybody if that becomes the lifestyle, then that's real 1253 01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:30,600 money, 1254 01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:34,860 but I also absolutely, and I also see, you know, like Merkle 1255 01:19:34,860 --> 01:19:39,300 tree type stuff where if I if I turn someone on to a band, I can 1256 01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:42,540 get some reward for that. I mean, I know we can go deep on 1257 01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,290 this stuff. I know it it's what it's actually probably what they 1258 01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:51,900 wanted pink to be number apples, social network ping mean, I 1259 01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:54,180 think these these things are possible. I just get really 1260 01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:57,690 jazzed by the idea and there's so much this. You think there 1261 01:19:57,690 --> 01:20:00,180 was pent up energy for podcasting, waiting to see With 1262 01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:03,240 the musicians are ready to do, and they understand kind of 1263 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,870 being, you know, they understand asking for sure. But then once 1264 01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:10,560 we have that flying man, we can integrate it and I look out. 1265 01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:11,340 Look, 1266 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,830 what's what's your John, what is your split with him when it 1267 01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:20,880 comes to like this versus straight streaming says I'm 1268 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,330 imagining that your streaming is probably higher. But that's just 1269 01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:24,990 a guess. 1270 01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,220 No actually I tend to do I tend to do it the other way around, I 1271 01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:32,850 tend to do a lower average streaming, but then I boost when 1272 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,200 at Well, I used to boost at strategic moments versus a you 1273 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,560 know, like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. And I didn't generally 1274 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,900 send booster grams, because when you're in the moment, you just 1275 01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,270 want to boost you don't want to sit there and compose something. 1276 01:20:45,509 --> 01:20:47,879 And but I was actually talking about your income, like your 1277 01:20:48,449 --> 01:20:50,879 pocket? Where I'm sorry, 1278 01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:52,920 I always lose when I'm in the moment too. 1279 01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:58,920 Anyway, okay, so sorry, the other way around it you have 1280 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,330 stats on this? I'm not in front of me. No, I have held up and I 1281 01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:06,600 should probably download a CSV and have a look for you. But I 1282 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,940 tend to get so I will get regular boosts oddly every week? 1283 01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:16,290 I'm not sure. Anyway. So but I do get this background 1284 01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:18,960 streaming. And the thing is, you can tell whichever comes from 1285 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,480 based on how it's grouped together, because different apps 1286 01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:25,380 will give you a different because they don't all stream at 1287 01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,360 exactly the same per minute they'll bundle it up and then 1288 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,900 send it in one hit in a transaction. So like batching 1289 01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,170 Yes, batch it. Yes. Well, the answer the question 1290 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,410 the having an umbrella at home and watching value for value 1291 01:21:37,410 --> 01:21:40,860 come in and then realizing that you're getting more Satoshis per 1292 01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:44,640 month and from your two s nine mining machines says a lot. 1293 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:51,540 Yeah, says a lot. That'd be cool. It's true. Yeah, shall we 1294 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:55,560 thank a few people because we're just rambling on here and they 1295 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,200 want to read some Yeah, I'd like to read some of these that came 1296 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:03,270 in some of the some of the booster grams from our lips. We 1297 01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:08,820 got everyone there in the in the in the chat room. Okay, okay. My 1298 01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:14,220 goodness is a lot that came in 100,100 Satoshis from chyron. 1299 01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:18,780 Mere Mortals podcast. I've been blessed a special number episode 1300 01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:22,620 and at a time I can join I was actually explaining P two o at a 1301 01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:25,500 crypto meetup recently and people really got it when I 1302 01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,260 related how splits could be used for musicians and app to show 1303 01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:32,400 them at the same time would be amazing. Nice. That's right. 1304 01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:40,020 There's Mary Oscar blowing 100 at us. 17,776 from blueberry. 1305 01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:45,510 hella hella boosts CLI pilled. Man. Okay, that is from the 1306 01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:52,170 boost CLI. Billy Bones comes in was 233 threes and he says thank 1307 01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,840 you all for creating podcasts and 2.0 You need to thank 1308 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,130 everybody including you ability bones, D Dubs. 1010. Boost CLI 1309 01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:02,730 supports nano vi Max emacs or whatever you have set as 1310 01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:11,010 default. Yes, I will have to try the boost CLI with Emacs. source 1311 01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:17,100 D vim for life. Okay, now we're getting into the jihad. Eric p p 1312 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,560 at 100,100 SATs happy 100 show thank you very much. Pay tar 1313 01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:29,820 123456 1 million Satoshis. 1314 01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:34,800 Oh 20 is Blaze on am Paula happy 1315 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,790 100 Go podcast. Wow. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you see 1316 01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:46,890 Brooklyn 3333. Then we have Mike Newman. And Mike comes in with 1317 01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:55,410 133,333. He says I hear John Chinggis in the lobby. He was 1318 01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,770 yeah he I think he knocked over a trash can or something people 1319 01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:03,390 got his causality show is great. And it makes sense he guest on 1320 01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:07,530 episode 100 Great use of 2.0 Cheers, John. One of my goals is 1321 01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:10,470 to implement as many tags as I can in my little jalopy of a 1322 01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:14,820 podcast that Mike Newman show. That's Mike Newman Dutch knife 1323 01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:20,610 Mike Newman dot show. Mi ke n e u m a n n dot show I've enjoyed 1324 01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:23,580 testing all sorts of tech this year alone and meeting so many 1325 01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:25,920 of the PC two Oh crew in Dallas last week. 1326 01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:30,330 This was great St. Joseph Gracie and Mike in the in Dallas. 1327 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,840 That's always what a conference is great for. This thing is just 1328 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,290 getting started. Thanks to y'all. I like this ship says 1329 01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:43,170 Mike. Blueberries mic 100,000 Satoshis air horn air horn air 1330 01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:49,020 horn one of the first things I asked myself beginning 2020 was 1331 01:24:49,020 --> 01:24:50,820 what the hell is RSS feed? 1332 01:24:52,890 --> 01:24:54,900 It's well you now know okay, it's 1333 01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,780 doomed. It's been a sick ride. Thank you both and everyone for 1334 01:24:57,780 --> 01:25:02,430 the deep well of knowledge pew pew MoPhO Oh there we go pew pew 1335 01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:08,040 mofos and then he has a oh he hasn't URL here with an mp3 1336 01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:08,760 file. 1337 01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:09,720 Yeah Lord 1338 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:13,260 yeah well I mean we might as well do it this way Come on. 1339 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,920 course I'll do it what was the oh here it was hold on does that 1340 01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:23,970 name Jennifer hola que think that was dead Jennifer. Okay 1341 01:25:23,970 --> 01:25:28,320 that was highly inappropriate blueberry thanks 1000 from Chad 1342 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,580 F Steven B 222,220. 1343 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,830 Shot Caller 20 is blades on am Paula Steven 1344 01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:41,130 B from Kira caster says Happy second birthday. Thank you. 1345 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,180 Thank you brother. 1000 SATs again from blueberry. See dubs 1346 01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:51,750 it's 2133 a boob from source D Yeah 808 We got you. Then we I 1347 01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:55,410 think we did this one. Sup? Sup? Yo, sup? Yes. Time for the 1348 01:25:55,410 --> 01:26:01,680 champion the 305 that is 100,001 SATs. We have our podcast 1349 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,920 listening live during my mic during my kids taekwondo 1350 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:10,530 practice on pod verse 8675 SATs thank you for the upcoming 1351 01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:13,500 hackathon. I'd be eager to lend my data science visualization, 1352 01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:17,220 visualization skills. Congratulations, Episode 100. 1353 01:26:17,220 --> 01:26:20,070 And my son Darren says go podcast podcast a 1354 01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:23,370 Dodge defeat dodge the feet in the hands. Yeah, 1355 01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:28,350 then of course we got the 1,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott 1356 01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:35,010 another 33,333 from Carolyn lyceum. 100,100 Congrats to your 1357 01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:39,690 milestone 100 episodes. I am all for the boost drive. That's 1358 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,550 That's what they call it. They call it the boost drive. They 1359 01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:44,670 were driving the boost like a cattle drive of boosts playing 1360 01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:47,430 up into our into our ranch. 1361 01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:50,640 We had nothing to do with this. 1362 01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:54,510 It was no no this is of course not. This is why it works. So 1363 01:26:54,510 --> 01:26:57,600 well. We had another we had nothing to do with it. Thanks 1364 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,730 for your work and for introducing me to the value for 1365 01:26:59,730 --> 01:27:02,220 value model. Thanks for participating in it. Best 1366 01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:04,470 premises. Oh, this is Martin Linda's code. There you go 1367 01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:07,200 former second place fountain leaderboard for baller boost 1368 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,250 with rands date number of 221,905 Satoshis Yeah, we'll try 1369 01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,740 again this month game on go podcast. And then there's 1370 01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:22,260 another Mike Newman 100,033 sets cast dramatic boost rolling the 1371 01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:26,400 dice to see if it gets through go podcasting? Sure did. He sent 1372 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,040 another one another one from CAST ematic one from fountain 1373 01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:40,710 also 100,033 90. And there he is with 300,033 SATs Hello, Mike 1374 01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:44,250 Newman simply stated, The goal here is to boost you all a 1375 01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:47,970 million SATs in a few days. Now less than an hour. This is about 1376 01:27:49,170 --> 01:27:52,680 two hours ago, before the 100th episode completely abusing 1377 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,100 channels near and far using as many apps and services as I can 1378 01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:59,640 to demonstrate it at a small but essential part of what y'all 1379 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,630 have accomplished here since episode one. Ah mazing thank you 1380 01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:06,510 for preserving, protecting and extending podcasting for years 1381 01:28:06,510 --> 01:28:09,480 to come. Mike, thank you, man. That is so kind. 1382 01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,380 Thank you so much. 1383 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,620 Thank you. All right. I think I got just about everybody there 1384 01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:18,990 in the in the the lit boost the club. Thank you all so much. 1385 01:28:18,990 --> 01:28:21,030 That is this is 1386 01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:21,810 that's incredible. I 1387 01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:25,800 mean, normally having, what DeVore Eken I would do is we 1388 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,500 pick numbers. Right? So what do you have a number? Well, because 1389 01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:32,790 people showed us the way hey, it's Pi Day 314. Hey, it's it's 1390 01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:39,210 April 23 420. Hey, is your birthday 58? We don't have to 1391 01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:42,720 think this. This came organically and that's that 1392 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,980 means it's really working. 1393 01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:48,060 Yeah, yeah, it's kind of humbling. 1394 01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:51,570 And it also just means that people love us. Yeah, yeah. 1395 01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:52,410 Everyone loves you guys. 1396 01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:56,280 You know, I feel like I really do feel love. Very much. So 1397 01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:02,580 the, you know what, I wonder? I wonder about, you know, the 1398 01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,110 different ways of different ways of connecting, like we were 1399 01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:10,320 talking earlier, about, you know, music has sort of it gets 1400 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,810 its own thing, and it needs its own app. And then something came 1401 01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:21,480 up this week on podcasts index is social, about being able to, 1402 01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:28,530 like present a request to the user, so that when they follow 1403 01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:33,480 the pot, like I think the way it was explained is if if somebody 1404 01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:37,140 follows a podcast, and that podcaster also has something 1405 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:42,120 like a newsletter, there could be some sort of tag or something 1406 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,800 in there that would say, in the feed that would say, Okay, I 1407 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,410 also offer this newsletter, and then the app could could show 1408 01:29:52,410 --> 01:29:56,700 that to the, to the listener, where they could say where they 1409 01:29:56,700 --> 01:29:59,070 could subscribe to the newsletter, like right in the 1410 01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:59,610 app. 1411 01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:03,569 sure that that sounds like something useful. 1412 01:30:04,409 --> 01:30:07,829 Yeah, I think they, you know, David Norman from hypercare 1413 01:30:07,829 --> 01:30:12,209 explored some of this in the hyper Capture App. Very early 1414 01:30:12,209 --> 01:30:15,359 on. Yeah. He remembered this marriage between podcasting and 1415 01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:21,989 newsletters. And I wonder, how will that we could codify that. 1416 01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:29,640 Here's here's the here's the only issue. What? Maybe not, 1417 01:30:29,670 --> 01:30:33,030 it's just newsletters. I love newsletters, but man, that 1418 01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:35,280 pretty much the only thing I would even touch these days 1419 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,640 would be substack. Everything else seems tainted crap and no 1420 01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,450 good. And I'm sure problems will come everywhere. It's just you 1421 01:30:42,450 --> 01:30:44,730 know, there's just we don't really have I'm not familiar 1422 01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:48,150 with all the external resources for news newsletters. 1423 01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,440 I don't know it's your I don't know, either. I said 1424 01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:57,780 it's it sucks. So bad, the way things don't arrive or filtered 1425 01:30:57,780 --> 01:31:02,040 away or put into promotions tabs, and it's just, it's a real 1426 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,510 nightmare to manage. 1427 01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:06,870 And everybody wants to own your inbox. You don't use letters or 1428 01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:08,130 anything that you don't 1429 01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:14,010 actually do. But my newsletters, yeah, yeah, I bought it as a bi 1430 01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:19,680 created a year special RSS feed that combined podcast episodes, 1431 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,110 as well as blog posts on the engineering network. So if 1432 01:31:22,110 --> 01:31:24,000 there's anything that's new, that's happened in the last 1433 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,540 week, it automatically sends out to a mailing list using 1434 01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:31,620 MailChimp. But some people do actually subscribe to it. And 1435 01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:33,840 when I heard when I was watched, because I followed that exact 1436 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,200 thread that you're talking about. And it's to me, it's 1437 01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,360 like, well, how deep do you want to go? How tight you want to 1438 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,420 make that integration? Yeah, because like, right now, we have 1439 01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:45,600 I think funding and the funding when you when you tap on that, 1440 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640 and most apps, it'll just take you to the website. And it's 1441 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,010 like, oh, here's how you can support like a shortcut to that. 1442 01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:53,610 As opposed, you know, we could just do the same thing with the 1443 01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:55,650 newsletter, because the only way people know I've got a 1444 01:31:55,650 --> 01:31:58,620 newsletter is to go to the website, I don't even pimp it on 1445 01:31:58,620 --> 01:32:02,340 the shows because, well, that's my bad, I probably should that, 1446 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,370 you know, irrespective, it's like they gotta go to the site, 1447 01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:07,020 have a look newsletter, oh, look, I can sign up for 1448 01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:09,720 newsletter. So how many people are going to take time out to do 1449 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,550 that? And this shortcut might make a difference, but it 1450 01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:13,920 doesn't have to be baked completely into the app, you can 1451 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,840 jump out just like we do. Why not? 1452 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,350 I would personally I would rather focus our effort and 1453 01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:24,960 energy on implementing XMPP with a bridge to IRC to get chat 1454 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,730 working or something like that. 1455 01:32:28,230 --> 01:32:32,310 Yeah, that that needs that needs to be probably next up on the 1456 01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:34,500 list. There's, there's always, you know, what makes things 1457 01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:37,920 complicated is there's always sort of two, two things going 1458 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,770 on. There's one that's code heavy and one that spec heavy, 1459 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,930 right and in in an just and technical. And then there's and 1460 01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,250 then there's, like, evangelism that's going on? Yeah. So 1461 01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:52,890 there's, there's like the the music stuff. That's, that's 1462 01:32:52,890 --> 01:32:56,130 really more evangelism than code. Yeah. And, you know, the 1463 01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,280 XMPP stuff and the chat stuff that that really is more more 1464 01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:06,060 code than anything else. I do like so. So John, you don't have 1465 01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:08,640 any live, you don't do anything live right? 1466 01:33:09,150 --> 01:33:14,130 Now, not anymore. Back in 90, more mid 2014 in with pragmatic, 1467 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,550 actually had five or six episodes live, streaming them 1468 01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:21,720 using icecast. Put sort of, like, stitched a bit together 1469 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,400 using liquid soap. And I used to update the website with a live 1470 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:33,090 flag that scrape the status, x x s l file from icecast. And I had 1471 01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:37,440 a chat room in IRC, you know, much like, like ATP, do it. The 1472 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,680 relay guys, you know, five by five, and a lot of them do that. 1473 01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:45,660 So it's like, it's a thing I used to do. But I got, oddly 1474 01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:49,170 more complaints than I got compliments. It because people 1475 01:33:49,170 --> 01:33:51,090 would say, Oh, why can't you do it at this time? I can't 1476 01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:54,000 possibly make it at that time sort of thing. And when I had, 1477 01:33:54,150 --> 01:33:57,300 like, probably two thirds of my audience in the United States, 1478 01:33:57,690 --> 01:34:01,500 I, I would I tried a few getting up at ridiculous hours of the of 1479 01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:05,160 the morning to try and suit and satisfy the North American 1480 01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:08,460 audience. And even then, people would then complain from Europe 1481 01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,350 and say, Oh, well, you know, that's a really big time. And 1482 01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:13,110 I'm like, Oh, my God. Okay, so the joy of live is that there 1483 01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:19,140 are many time zones, and we live in a ball. And so yeah, more 1484 01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:21,480 people were annoyed that I couldn't do it at their 1485 01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:25,080 preferred time and the audience level and feedback and 1486 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,810 engagement just wasn't there. So I stopped doing it. And no one 1487 01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:30,000 seemed to care that I stopped. So that's 1488 01:34:31,650 --> 01:34:36,120 well, okay, so you did so you did an ice cast server. This is 1489 01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,300 what I'm trying to get some just want to try to get at. So 1490 01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,670 there's, there's a couple of breakthroughs that need to 1491 01:34:41,670 --> 01:34:45,750 happen here. There's there's the ability for people to do live 1492 01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:50,010 streams. And when I say people, I mean, I mean hosts hosting 1493 01:34:50,010 --> 01:34:55,380 companies, hosting companies need need a way forward for live 1494 01:34:55,380 --> 01:35:00,960 streams. And we talked about it a lot in Dallas last week. with 1495 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:06,660 people and just trying to brainstorm things. My, my idea 1496 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:14,940 is maybe wacky or too much. My idea was you, you know, if your 1497 01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:20,220 hosting company you spin up, you spin up a and n A icecast server 1498 01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:24,270 in a Docker container or something whenever you need it, 1499 01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:31,140 dynamically assign it a DNS, DNS name. And then for the life of 1500 01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,160 that live broadcast, that thing is running, and then you spin 1501 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,530 it, and then you just destroy it when it's finished, like a 1502 01:35:37,530 --> 01:35:42,900 dashboard on voltage. Exactly the same. Exactly. I like that. 1503 01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:48,150 Now, there may be much better ways to do it. And this is why I 1504 01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:52,530 bring it up, because I want to hear where I'm going overkill on 1505 01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:58,050 this. But I mean, I could see that. If you had like, I don't 1506 01:35:58,050 --> 01:36:01,020 know, if you're, if you're a large host, and you had like 10 1507 01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:04,080 of these things running, they're probably not costing, if they're 1508 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,060 sitting there doing nothing, they're probably not costing you 1509 01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,030 anything, it's just a container. Especially if you're a 1510 01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:12,480 Kubernetes or something like that. I mean, it wouldn't 1511 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,300 probably, it's meant the cost is minimal until you start the 1512 01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,440 bandwidth going. And then I was thinking of it just like it like 1513 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,860 an Apache server, you know, like you have a minimum spares that 1514 01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:26,370 are running, and then you just spin up a few more whenever 1515 01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:31,350 somebody whenever those begin to get used, and you kill them. I 1516 01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:34,680 don't know, I'm trying to think of a way. But so then on the 1517 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,310 backside, let's let's say that you have that model, then on the 1518 01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:43,890 back side, you got to have a way for the podcaster to connect, 1519 01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:49,290 and take and start sending to the stream. And so then there 1520 01:36:49,290 --> 01:36:52,320 would have to be some sort of, you know, you display back to 1521 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,880 them. The, the connection string or the the URL that they need to 1522 01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,930 connect to? Is, is that how you do it currently, Adam, when you 1523 01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:04,200 take over the stream, do you just connect to a endpoint and 1524 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:04,620 go? 1525 01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:12,600 Yeah, so I have the luxury that the no agenda stream is up 24/7 1526 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,370 It's ice cast server. I have God power. So the minute I hit 1527 01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:21,900 Connect is like whoever's there is just sad. Because I 1528 01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:25,110 want to look like I mean, like what is the connect to and when 1529 01:37:25,110 --> 01:37:25,920 you say connect, 1530 01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:31,590 I'm sorry, I use radio caster small app. And all you do is 1531 01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:34,860 just have the you have the one endpoint, you got a password, 1532 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,030 you fill that in, you put your bid rate, you do all that once, 1533 01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:41,520 and then from then on out, it's just click, you're on click, 1534 01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:46,050 you're off. But it is it is a separate app that I use. 1535 01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:50,940 Okay, and that just hooks into your rig is that, yeah, 1536 01:37:51,839 --> 01:37:55,649 it just hooks into the output of my, I mean, anyone who streams 1537 01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,149 kind of knows this stuff. 1538 01:37:58,019 --> 01:38:01,019 And I'm thinking about people who don't stream who are not 1539 01:38:01,019 --> 01:38:02,399 used to it, like how 1540 01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:05,670 we need to kill them, they just need to kill them. If you don't 1541 01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:09,630 stream you don't dream, okay, get out of get on my face, as 1542 01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:15,450 if like it would be it'd be nice to have some sort of guide, or 1543 01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:20,940 something that said, Here's in clear, clearly, the hosting 1544 01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:23,040 company would would want to do this, you know if they're going 1545 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,000 to support this feature. But for those who want to get their feet 1546 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:34,380 wet with it earlier than waiting for host implementation, it 1547 01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:37,920 would be nice to have some sort of concise guide that could say, 1548 01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,820 Okay, here's, here's how you could go live. But you know, 1549 01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:43,170 quickly or whatever. 1550 01:38:44,430 --> 01:38:47,250 For fun, even though it's so specialized, I don't think 1551 01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:50,700 there's a lot of podcasts that go live with audio only, there's 1552 01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:54,300 just not a lot what most people will be very comfortable with 1553 01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:59,070 his stream yard or OBS. And connecting that to some, you 1554 01:38:59,070 --> 01:39:01,560 know, everyone kind of knows, oh, I need this kind of data, I 1555 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,700 put it in here and send it, it would be easier to use something 1556 01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,250 like that and just take the audio that way. Also, if it's 1557 01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:12,090 multiple people, they can still use the video to communicate 1558 01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:14,550 with each other. I think the tools are out there. I think 1559 01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:19,140 they're usable. But I don't know if if this is something the 1560 01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:23,820 hosting company should solve. I'm not sure that the lit tag is 1561 01:39:23,850 --> 01:39:27,060 a big deal for everybody. I think it's a huge deal for a 1562 01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:30,870 very small subsection who will be able to use it effectively. 1563 01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:35,970 That I think and I think those are valuable content creators 1564 01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:40,770 who know how to use it and will use it but I just don't see it 1565 01:39:40,770 --> 01:39:45,000 as a big mainstream thing. But it's important I want it 1566 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,940 it will I'm just thinking you know, brought up the chat in the 1567 01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:57,210 chat really is only it's kind of only the last not only live 1568 01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,950 knows it could be the things 1569 01:39:58,980 --> 01:40:02,460 I mean it The room is open. You know, people are in there all 1570 01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:09,180 the time to like, an IRC chat. I mean the troll room.io Where no 1571 01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:11,910 agenda stream.com is open all the time that said the community 1572 01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:15,270 lives there of trolls, but they do live there under bridges and 1573 01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:16,710 stinky garbage heaps. 1574 01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:25,680 I guess. I mean, I would love XMPP. That that seems like the 1575 01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:32,580 way to go for for a built in chat. In in the app. It's more 1576 01:40:32,610 --> 01:40:33,330 you know, it's 1577 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,540 seem a lot easier to get going the comments 1578 01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:41,040 here. Yeah. And because it's because it's because it's 1579 01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:42,120 synchronous. 1580 01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:45,780 Yes. And we and we are and of course I didn't come up with 1581 01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:48,900 this myself. I got this from Alex gates. He said, XMPP were 1582 01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,840 the bridge to IRC. I said, I heard chef, I'm on it. 1583 01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:55,950 Okay, can you put that in? Like, is that something that can be 1584 01:40:55,950 --> 01:40:57,210 hooked to the no agenda? 1585 01:40:57,570 --> 01:41:03,210 Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The x Oh, yeah. IRC and XMPP. 1586 01:41:03,210 --> 01:41:06,780 worked very well together. Okay. Yeah, I think there's all kinds 1587 01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:07,860 of existing stuff. 1588 01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:12,810 I feel like I did a lot of XMPP programming years ago. I know 1589 01:41:12,810 --> 01:41:16,050 nothing about IRC. I feel like I just don't know anything about 1590 01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:16,800 the way it worked. Well, 1591 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,130 luckily, we have some very skilled people in our group. 1592 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,100 Yeah, there's people doing I mean, when when you're at the 1593 01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:26,940 bot level, I'm sure you can help us with XMPP bridge to IRC. 1594 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,080 That would be great. I would love to build some sandboxes and 1595 01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,040 stuff around that to try to just try it out. You know, because I 1596 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,850 still have I still got MK Ultra this sitting there that needs. 1597 01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:39,960 There's another 1598 01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,050 thing you know, we just need to shut everything down. Just you 1599 01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:51,000 just got to work through your list. Yeah. Yeah, you said yeah. 1600 01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:55,020 Let's take some more people. Dave. We're running on a buck 45 1601 01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:55,800 here so let's 1602 01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:59,910 Yeah, all right. Let's see we got we got some 1603 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,060 I don't mind doing the show late for our guests in Australia. But 1604 01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:05,370 you know, just because we ruin his breakfast doesn't mean he 1605 01:42:05,370 --> 01:42:12,180 gets to ruin our dinner you got time, John, you can hang out 1606 01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:12,870 with us some more. 1607 01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:16,560 I am making time for you guys. Oh, good. Keep rolling. You 1608 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:16,980 know, also 1609 01:42:16,980 --> 01:42:20,610 you have an amazing set of pipes. Oh, well, thank you for 1610 01:42:20,610 --> 01:42:23,880 Yeah, you really really sound good. You know, because 1611 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,580 Australians can have a certain I'm just saying it's like you 1612 01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:30,270 have all kinds of opinions about American accents. But yours with 1613 01:42:30,270 --> 01:42:32,610 the voice it just it has something really comfortable. 1614 01:42:32,610 --> 01:42:33,870 It's really nice to listen to. 1615 01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,200 Thank you. Thanks Adam actually means a lot coming in from you 1616 01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,130 especially Thank you 1617 01:42:39,090 --> 01:42:40,500 You're welcome. I mean it 1618 01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:45,690 we guess that fountain on screen Nick of their fountain is $200 1619 01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:47,610 Whoa I think we get the 1620 01:42:47,610 --> 01:42:49,260 ball them Bala 1621 01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:53,250 shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula it's 1622 01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,580 It's everybody's just so generous today. 1623 01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,680 We get Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Oscar and I've 1624 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,340 got a bug I need to squash for Oscar and nationally not squash. 1625 01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:09,780 I've got to introduce this to gay. I get it No, no. No, 1626 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:16,080 investigate. Let's see. Steven, Steven crater, send us $100 And 1627 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,820 he says for episode 100. 1628 01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:20,340 Thank you so much, Steven. 1629 01:43:21,089 --> 01:43:29,459 Steven. I really appreciate you man. I really do. He, he is one 1630 01:43:29,459 --> 01:43:36,059 of those people that jumps in there and just does things that 1631 01:43:36,119 --> 01:43:40,709 need doing. Like, you know, he's a person that just sees that. 1632 01:43:42,299 --> 01:43:45,209 This something needs like something needs to be done like, 1633 01:43:45,419 --> 01:43:48,749 like this bucket of you know, mop water needs to be refilled 1634 01:43:48,749 --> 01:43:51,449 or the sort of the dirty jobs that are just like time 1635 01:43:51,449 --> 01:43:55,919 consuming. He jumps in there and doesn't. And I really appreciate 1636 01:43:55,919 --> 01:43:57,929 that. So more than more than I can 1637 01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:00,630 you give us an example. So so we all know 1638 01:44:00,630 --> 01:44:04,140 what mentation Yeah, that's number one. When I put when, 1639 01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:09,510 when I roll up a new endpoint or something, he documents it. And 1640 01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:13,080 when he goes in there to document it if he sees bugs, or 1641 01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,920 misspellings or something. He's like, Hey, this is messed up. 1642 01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:22,320 And I go fix it. Or somebody says, hey, what's the GU ID for 1643 01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:26,700 my podcast? And he jumps in there posted before? Before I 1644 01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:29,970 do. I'm like cool. It's just it just takes you just take stuff 1645 01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,940 off my plate all the time and I'm so appreciative of it 1646 01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:34,140 one time for the one time. 1647 01:44:37,170 --> 01:44:48,000 Fire $558 from Prem Lee barber Barbosa Prem Lee Barbosa $50 No 1648 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,100 note, thank you very much. Thank you. primly, we get some 1649 01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:54,240 histograms. 1650 01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,360 We get oh by the way, I would like now I would like to say to 1651 01:45:00,450 --> 01:45:04,590 James Cridland, you've begged for it enough times I've put the 1652 01:45:04,590 --> 01:45:08,880 big baller jingle into our show notes for today's episode so 1653 01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,480 someone can go put that into the repository. I just want you to 1654 01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:16,530 know it wasn't necessarily an open source thing. It was 1655 01:45:16,740 --> 01:45:21,450 originated in the MO facts with Adam curry podcast. Then slowly 1656 01:45:21,450 --> 01:45:25,710 stolen slash adopted by the no agenda podcast, then it moves to 1657 01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:29,610 podcast 2.0 And now we set it free. 1658 01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,570 It's now it's been released. It's been released released 1659 01:45:33,570 --> 01:45:36,780 into the wilds back to the elements from which it came. 1660 01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:39,990 We have a good ISO as speaking of James Kirtland, and if you 1661 01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:42,480 want to drop that one in there, please 1662 01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,800 come and talk to us please. Wow, that's genius. That is not just 1663 01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,080 an ISO that's and a show ISO baby. 1664 01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:52,410 That reached the top of the mountain. 1665 01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:55,050 The pinnacle has been achieved. 1666 01:45:55,650 --> 01:46:00,540 Chad Pharaoh 3333 No notes. Thank you. Let's see Auburn 1667 01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:05,940 citadel. 49 490 Boost me JC destock 1668 01:46:05,969 --> 01:46:08,849 you got it boost boost boost. Yay. 1669 01:46:09,389 --> 01:46:13,379 8888 from Chris last as Chris from Jupiter broadcasting says 1670 01:46:13,379 --> 01:46:15,569 thanks for going to Podcast Movement, so we don't have to 1671 01:46:16,980 --> 01:46:20,550 dodge the bullet. Although it was really nice hanging out with 1672 01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,460 everybody. That was the main thing. And once we'd hung out 1673 01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:27,690 with everybody, it was time to leave. This is very 1674 01:46:27,690 --> 01:46:32,400 tailored. Regarding your live chat discussion we do most most 1675 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,830 of our shows live and based on listener demand, we're moving 1676 01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:38,880 our live chat to matrix. So far, it's working out great. IRC can 1677 01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,630 be bridged into matrix in many cases might be possible to have 1678 01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:43,860 the best of both worlds. 1679 01:46:44,099 --> 01:46:48,449 can we bridge XMPP to IRC back to matrix hey now 1680 01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,410 can and should 1681 01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:54,750 use your free dance. Yes, I guess 1682 01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,930 the only thing that I'm bought that concerns me about matrix is 1683 01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:06,390 I've heard that the back end is very heavy. And I would like to 1684 01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:07,410 hear input on the 1685 01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:11,850 hell was going on? We're going to have a standoff because the 1686 01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,900 Alex gauge the official podcasting 2.0 consultant, not 1687 01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:20,070 to be confused with a value for value coach, the 2.0 consultant, 1688 01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:26,490 he's pushing very heavily for XMPP. And I believe Roy over a 1689 01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:30,300 breeze would be pushing very hard for matrix. So if we could 1690 01:47:30,300 --> 01:47:32,880 make those two meet somewhere in the middle and connect them 1691 01:47:32,910 --> 01:47:34,680 that's all good. That the 1692 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:39,360 middle that would be like middle of the Atlantic. Yes, somewhere. 1693 01:47:39,870 --> 01:47:43,590 I'm not quite sure how we have these types. Maybe there's no 1694 01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:46,230 conflict at all. Maybe it all fits perfectly together. 1695 01:47:46,679 --> 01:47:49,229 Okay, you guys meet in Greenland and fight and whoever wins, 1696 01:47:49,229 --> 01:47:56,849 right? That's right. See 717 73 sets from Mike Dell says Dallas 1697 01:47:56,849 --> 01:48:03,899 moves from room 1773 Well, three, go ahead. No, go ahead. 1698 01:48:03,899 --> 01:48:07,829 Go keep on Yeah. 12 345 from hard 12345 from hard hat. No 1699 01:48:07,829 --> 01:48:08,249 note. 1700 01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:12,390 Thank you. Very nice. Booze. Roy scheinfeld 1701 01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:20,430 No, there. There he is. He's for episode 99. Excuse me. This is a 1702 01:48:20,430 --> 01:48:23,580 this was a mess up on my part. I did. He boosted last week and 1703 01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:28,320 this week and I missed both of them. And then I figured out 1704 01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:32,610 this afternoon that it was and because I message you and I was 1705 01:48:32,610 --> 01:48:35,580 like I can't find Roy's boost is driving me nuts is concerning. 1706 01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:36,930 And 1707 01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:41,040 yes, we were we were we were combing how sad or we were 1708 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:45,750 combing through heli pad and through I was looking at CSVs 1709 01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:47,940 like I got no wikis in here somewhere. 1710 01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:56,520 Show yourself Roy show yourself. He's a bit he had boosted two 1711 01:48:56,940 --> 01:49:01,170 booths two weeks in a row with no note. And I had filled my 1712 01:49:01,170 --> 01:49:03,900 script was filtering. Oh no, no, 1713 01:49:03,900 --> 01:49:07,020 it's Yeah, reading on the show that's the epitome of lazy is 1714 01:49:07,020 --> 01:49:10,890 given a big boost and I'm you know I'm gonna give 54,003 and 1715 01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:15,180 20 on SAS but you know, I mean my silk robe I got my floppy 1716 01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:19,260 slippers on. It's so tiring to type a note. 1717 01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:25,230 I said I message him I said so good. All good. I found him. 1718 01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:29,940 Here's, you know, here's the bug. And fixed. We're all we're 1719 01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:30,780 all good. It's like 1720 01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:37,020 do you say Roy do you send your would you send your wife a card 1721 01:49:37,020 --> 01:49:42,900 with just just a card with no writing on it? I feel I feel our 1722 01:49:42,900 --> 01:49:44,880 relationship was better than that. 1723 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,300 It's a box of chocolates. It's just wrappers and no extra 1724 01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:48,690 chocolate 1725 01:49:58,980 --> 01:50:04,560 so He essentially debugged my code from like, what 3000 miles 1726 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,940 away, which was Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yes, that's good. Next 1727 01:50:08,940 --> 01:50:13,950 time, I'm just gonna print all the code out and mail it to, to 1728 01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:17,370 to John and Roy and have them decode it from their respective 1729 01:50:17,370 --> 01:50:24,300 locations. Okay. What one let us see 1111, George Orwell and 1730 01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:25,680 Orwell Nietzsche says boost 1731 01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:28,680 yo, yo, thanks George Jordan rose big supporter, big channel 1732 01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,420 opener to everybody appreciate it. 1733 01:50:31,290 --> 01:50:35,280 Big row sticks 11 111 from mere mortals podcast. He says I think 1734 01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,310 the best I think the biggest problem with the for V, is it it 1735 01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:41,010 takes a while to get going. In the latest V for V podcast 1736 01:50:41,010 --> 01:50:44,220 episode, I talked about how pod land required a while until new 1737 01:50:44,220 --> 01:50:46,770 people joined in on the boosting. But I think the rush 1738 01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:49,800 of the highest impact dopamine jacking, heart racing 1739 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,370 extravaganza of a message with monetary value attached is worth 1740 01:50:53,370 --> 01:50:53,640 it. 1741 01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:58,500 Die can concur. I completely agree. Absolutely. 1742 01:50:59,850 --> 01:51:05,700 RDK 519 Send us 1010 SATs and he says Adam and Dave, thanks for 1743 01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:08,790 all you're doing with podcasting 2.0 Our shows aren't yet in the 1744 01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:11,910 2.0 universe, but we're working to get them there as quickly as 1745 01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:14,400 possible. Keep up the good work. Rob Kirkpatrick 1746 01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:15,840 Thank you, Rob. Look forward to 1747 01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:22,200 Jean Everett's in his 1001 SAS he says cheers. Cheers to you. 1748 01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:27,510 Cheers back at you. Uh, Chris, you know, send us 3570 SATs and 1749 01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:33,210 no note. Sir Doug sent us 10,000 SATs and he says value for value 1750 01:51:33,210 --> 01:51:34,380 boost the yo yo, 1751 01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:35,760 love that. 1752 01:51:37,710 --> 01:51:39,900 Is the Amit Sharma dog 1753 01:51:39,930 --> 01:51:42,510 I miss I'm missing the TOS. Where's the ducks today? 1754 01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,160 I don't know. See? 1755 01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:48,450 I feel so you know, I haven't heard any ducks. Little 1756 01:51:48,450 --> 01:51:52,110 concerned about the dogs. All right. What's your dog? Okay. 1757 01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:55,950 He is I had to mute myself and yell at him. Oh, I don't know if 1758 01:51:55,950 --> 01:51:56,700 it's gonna help or not 1759 01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:59,220 wasn't buying any dogs was he? 1760 01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,450 He's he sees the chickens outside and he really wants 1761 01:52:03,450 --> 01:52:04,530 chicken tonight. 1762 01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:08,910 Like right now pronto. Yeah, immediately. Chicken 1763 01:52:09,540 --> 01:52:14,280 1234 from SLC. I can't I can't view boosts only this show no 1764 01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:15,450 problems on na. 1765 01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:22,320 Oh, yes. We have comments this in Fountain we requested no 1766 01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,050 comment boosts our podcast. So I could have an A B and then not 1767 01:52:28,050 --> 01:52:31,680 the show. But next show. Um, this also was part of Tanner's 1768 01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,340 problem, the comments do present opportunities and they present 1769 01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:36,930 issues. But that's for another show. 1770 01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:42,690 So Pete 21,500 says To cast a magic is this the talk about 1771 01:52:42,690 --> 01:52:46,140 making features appealing or making them better? Better known 1772 01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:50,040 on its own is kind of weird. I think the total experience of 1773 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,250 listening to a podcast is key. When podcasters say in their 1774 01:52:53,250 --> 01:52:56,460 podcast, quote, check out the image in your app to see what I 1775 01:52:56,460 --> 01:53:00,480 mean. Or skip to the next chapter to get the results. 1776 01:53:00,510 --> 01:53:04,590 Yeah, those two calls will pull people to both use and ask for 1777 01:53:04,590 --> 01:53:08,160 the new features. You might also awaken the call for so for 1778 01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,920 support of new features. Completely 1779 01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:13,230 agree completely agree. Good one. 1780 01:53:13,230 --> 01:53:17,190 That's the that's the other part that I'd written in my notes 1781 01:53:17,190 --> 01:53:23,310 earlier is that part of the value is the podcaster has to 1782 01:53:23,310 --> 01:53:29,730 use his or her voice in the podcast to talk to the listener 1783 01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,230 that you have to you your podcast the content of your 1784 01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:38,010 podcast is the way that you do it. It's you don't it's not you 1785 01:53:38,010 --> 01:53:41,280 don't just flip a switch. It's not technology. All the 1786 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,610 technology in the world can be there. But if you don't if you 1787 01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:48,360 don't engage your audience in that way that it doesn't is 1788 01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:53,010 useless. Sir Shona, the Allegheny Valley, aka Sean 1789 01:53:53,010 --> 01:53:56,100 McCune 50,000 SATs he says boosting while listening to the 1790 01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,180 last episodes boosts 1791 01:53:57,210 --> 01:54:01,200 Oh nice. Thank you. Nice boost boost boost boost the boost 1792 01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:01,740 boost. 1793 01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,650 Timmy tweet 23 8315 1000s As he says just updated my years old 1794 01:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,970 d&d tabletop gaming podcast to 2.0. Hoping we won't offend our 1795 01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:15,510 long term, our longtime Patreon subscribers by moving to value 1796 01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:18,570 for value for anyone interested in longtime friends playing 1797 01:54:18,570 --> 01:54:22,800 tabletop RPGs. Reviewing project products and not being serious 1798 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,780 about it. Check out GG no ri that's GG space in O space R E. 1799 01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:30,240 Go podcasting. Yo Cool. 1800 01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:41,970 See 11 111 from Martin from pod friend. 1801 01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:44,790 Hey Martin How you doing? 1802 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,450 He says 100th Episode Wow feels like just yesterday since I 1803 01:54:48,450 --> 01:54:51,510 wrote to Adam about accessing the index and then creating that 1804 01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:55,200 first early open source app implementation. I've been quiet 1805 01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,660 for a while but I'm having so much fun right now working on 1806 01:54:57,660 --> 01:55:01,020 pot friend two ah which is going to be better than ever. 1807 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,270 It's coming to theaters this summer. 1808 01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:16,950 Happy episode aversary and rock own nice boost. Pod friend too. 1809 01:55:17,670 --> 01:55:21,750 I'm excited I'm excited pod friend to it's like the iPhone 1810 01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:22,590 14 1811 01:55:24,750 --> 01:55:29,280 Martin back again 100,000 SATs and he's Oh again because 100 1812 01:55:29,310 --> 01:55:29,730 Yes, 1813 01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:34,680 just Blaze on am Paula. 1814 01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,870 So happy he's still on our orbit. 1815 01:55:37,530 --> 01:55:44,160 Straight up. Yeah, it can't wait to see pocket pod friend 2.0 I 1816 01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,290 didn't know he was working on that he's been keeping it 1817 01:55:46,290 --> 01:55:46,920 download 1818 01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:51,060 pod friend and 2.0 it's your friend. 1819 01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:58,620 No bigger than ever. These laughs since 838 SATs and he 1820 01:55:58,620 --> 01:55:59,640 says show was lit. 1821 01:55:59,820 --> 01:56:02,970 Yeah. laughs 1822 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,210 sin is 25,000 SATs he says go podcasting. Nice. 1823 01:56:08,580 --> 01:56:11,520 I'm so humbled by these numbers. This is so great. 1824 01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:15,420 It's incredible. Steve, that was Steve in Bradenton, Florida. 1825 01:56:17,190 --> 01:56:23,160 slewed send a 1611 SATs and he says 1611 equals King James 1826 01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,600 boost go podcasting? 1827 01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:28,770 I'm not quite sure what to play. I don't have a King James thing 1828 01:56:28,770 --> 01:56:31,650 but don't just stand there. Oh go podcast. 1829 01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:34,500 Let's just pretend that was kJ. 1830 01:56:34,530 --> 01:56:35,850 Yeah, it sounded just like him. 1831 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,910 Meet us. Send us 2222 through fountain and he says the boost 1832 01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:47,460 below nice. The boost below me says indirect. This is like an 1833 01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:52,020 Excel column Excel formula indirect. open parenthesis 1834 01:56:52,020 --> 01:56:55,050 address open parenthesis row parenthesis plus one column 1835 01:56:55,050 --> 01:56:55,890 parenthesis. 1836 01:56:57,570 --> 01:57:02,880 And you have solved our secret puzzle. Congratulations for 1837 01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,800 boosting us in the row. 1838 01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:13,920 What was that? No idea. Okay. Steven B sends 100,000 SATs. Oh 1839 01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:22,860 man at the 100th episode. Thank you so much. Brother. Bissau 1840 01:57:22,860 --> 01:57:27,660 used screenshots of curio, curio caster in my preferences Tasha 1841 01:57:27,660 --> 01:57:35,250 on Yes. Dame Jennifer sent us 100,000 Sask cue up. Jingle 1842 01:57:35,250 --> 01:57:37,800 congrats. One 100 For this Oh, 1843 01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,480 that'll surprise here. 1844 01:57:40,530 --> 01:57:45,390 Happy episode aka board meeting 100 que that obnoxious air horn. 1845 01:57:46,170 --> 01:57:53,010 Please come and talk to us. Ready for her? 1846 01:57:53,820 --> 01:57:55,980 That was the obnoxious air horn was James. 1847 01:57:56,760 --> 01:58:00,510 I don't know how that happened. Muscle memory. Long COVID All 1848 01:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,390 right. So we hit the congrats jingle here. Yeah, hit it. 1849 01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:10,290 Hey, guys. Congratulations on episode 100. You've managed to 1850 01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:14,280 build an incredible team who are all doing amazing things. I'm 1851 01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:17,070 looking forward to what we'll see in the hackathon. I'll be at 1852 01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:20,280 the craft services table eating cake and drinking Prosecco out 1853 01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:24,420 of plastic cups of course. See there are boost people boost 1854 01:58:24,420 --> 01:58:25,080 boost boost. 1855 01:58:27,780 --> 01:58:32,430 Dave Jennifer best she she's a big part of it. Man. You're a 1856 01:58:32,430 --> 01:58:34,110 big part of it. Dame Jennifer. 1857 01:58:34,500 --> 01:58:36,840 She says she wanted it to sound like those obnoxious 1858 01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:39,300 celebrities, you know, congratulating each other. 1859 01:58:40,230 --> 01:58:43,200 It's hard for her to pull it off entirely because she's just so 1860 01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:43,860 nice. 1861 01:58:44,519 --> 01:58:47,819 Yeah, there's no underlying note. Yes, back there. 1862 01:58:47,849 --> 01:58:51,599 No, no, not a hint of douchebaggery no smugness no 1863 01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:54,989 jealousy. It's just pure open honest and we'd love your name 1864 01:58:54,989 --> 01:58:58,289 Jennifer. We really do everybody does your fantastic. You should 1865 01:58:58,289 --> 01:59:02,009 be making a million Satoshis a day being a value for value 1866 01:59:02,009 --> 01:59:02,789 consultant. 1867 01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:08,130 Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, look at both look at boosted this it 1868 01:59:08,130 --> 01:59:11,550 was John Chingy no way you're 61 says no, 1869 01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:12,570 no. 1870 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,720 No that guy. Hey, John, 1871 01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,030 do you need to before I forget you need to immediately email me 1872 01:59:21,060 --> 01:59:28,800 your your node ID so I can put you in our splits. Notice how we 1873 01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,100 put him in the split after all the million million set booths 1874 01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:36,420 come in? Yeah, we're not totally stupid. Boy. 1875 01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,980 We and guess what? We didn't have a guest last week. Oh, so 1876 01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:44,130 no split goes to that. That's true, because that does mean 1877 01:59:44,130 --> 01:59:47,010 that you stay with us until the next guest is on to kind of 1878 01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:47,310 happy 1879 01:59:47,310 --> 01:59:52,920 birthday to us. Yes. Hi, Dave and Adam and listeners podcast 1880 01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,980 2.0. Brian of London's in Python example code with attitude. 1881 01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,310 Hopefully that helped me make this VISTA grande possible. It 1882 01:59:59,310 --> 02:00:03,000 feels like Have some kind of hive mind and dig it. Anyway, I 1883 02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,790 encourage anyone that isn't already listening to causality 1884 02:00:05,790 --> 02:00:09,630 to visit engineer dot network as we analyze what went wrong, or 1885 02:00:09,630 --> 02:00:12,060 excuse me what went right and what went wrong and we discover 1886 02:00:12,060 --> 02:00:15,150 that many outcomes can be predicted, planned for and even 1887 02:00:15,150 --> 02:00:18,570 prevented and you too can decide if the listener that called me a 1888 02:00:18,570 --> 02:00:22,320 dreamy narrator was right or not. Nice. 1889 02:00:23,250 --> 02:00:25,260 Thank you. Yes. 1890 02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:32,370 Hard Hat 100,000 SATs boost, boost. Boost. Thank you hard 1891 02:00:32,370 --> 02:00:38,190 hat. There's just so many of these is nuts. Mac. Macintosh is 1892 02:00:38,190 --> 02:00:40,950 in its 10,000 SATs and he says Happy 100th Episode What an 1893 02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:43,890 accomplishment. I'm looking forward to the next 100 episodes 1894 02:00:43,890 --> 02:00:46,560 and the next dozen or more podcasts and 2.0 features go 1895 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:52,560 podcasting your podcast. I am to Macintosh. We're just getting 1896 02:00:52,710 --> 02:00:55,500 the last slide of the presentation was we're just 1897 02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:58,350 getting started. And that's that is it feels like that's 100% 1898 02:00:58,350 --> 02:01:04,890 True. Yep. Jason unit sent us 103,099 sets through pod verse 1899 02:01:04,890 --> 02:01:06,990 and he says please defragment me, Adam. 1900 02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:13,800 Oh, yes. Love to do that. And we'll throw in a boost. Thanks. 1901 02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,330 I'm glad people are asking for that. 1902 02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,680 He says Adam, if I boost more than $333 with a Bitcoin to the 1903 02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,930 no agenda show. Well, I get credited as an executive 1904 02:01:21,930 --> 02:01:22,410 producer. 1905 02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:27,180 No, don't do it. Don't do it. Do it now. It's just an ongoing 1906 02:01:27,180 --> 02:01:30,480 conversation I'm having with my partner so don't do it. Don't 1907 02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:36,030 Ask Don't Don't rock the boat. 1908 02:01:38,340 --> 02:01:44,370 Brian of London in the high Dao 49,524 SATs do the V for V out. 1909 02:01:44,700 --> 02:01:45,660 Thank you, Brian. 1910 02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:50,940 I'm not he's okay. Thanks. Thanks for Thanks. in advance 1911 02:01:50,940 --> 02:01:54,030 for this Brian. He says I'm not a pheasant plucker I'm a 1912 02:01:54,030 --> 02:01:57,300 pheasant pluckers made I'm only plucking pheasants because the 1913 02:01:57,300 --> 02:02:01,380 pheasant plucker is late. Usually, 1914 02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:06,060 Ryan, thanks a lot. By the way. I did want to say that, you 1915 02:02:06,060 --> 02:02:09,900 know, the booths that come to no agenda go of course, the clip 1916 02:02:09,900 --> 02:02:15,930 custodian and they go to to Dred Scott. And I think we're far 1917 02:02:15,930 --> 02:02:19,350 enough along the road and I think we have enough 2.0 value 1918 02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:23,610 for value podcasters who are also do album art. If you put 1919 02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:30,450 your your Alby address or your node ID in the information where 1920 02:02:30,450 --> 02:02:34,140 your your images if, if, if we choose you, I'm going to put you 1921 02:02:34,140 --> 02:02:38,310 in the value split of the no agenda feed. Does that make any 1922 02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:41,070 sense? Yeah, that's cool, because everyone I could just go 1923 02:02:41,070 --> 02:02:46,050 sign up and get an Alby right now being you just said here's 1924 02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:50,730 my details and then all I have to do is plug it in was let's 1925 02:02:50,730 --> 02:02:52,500 get these artists some stuff and some sets 1926 02:02:52,530 --> 02:02:56,340 if anybody wants to do show art for this for our show do for a 1927 02:02:56,370 --> 02:02:58,680 second thing oh yeah, great idea. Well, we'll give you a 1928 02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,240 split yeah absolutely. Def 1929 02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:02,460 a sound bites to Oh yes. 1930 02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:07,860 Easy for you to spend our money gently. Down man. 1931 02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:21,270 10,101 says and he says IRC plus plus okay, we gotta vote for is 1932 02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:22,500 this is gonna be a grudge match. 1933 02:03:24,150 --> 02:03:25,680 No, I'm sorry. I 1934 02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:34,770 protocol grudge match, a grudge match. Let's see. 333,333 SATs 1935 02:03:34,770 --> 02:03:36,030 from crimson deer. 1936 02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:41,550 Show shot caller 20 years blades on am Paula. 1937 02:03:42,690 --> 02:03:46,260 Third time's a charm. All the threes. Thank you, Adam and Dave 1938 02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:49,680 and the whole podcasting. 2.0 team. Mike Newman. Oh, that's 1939 02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:50,430 Mike again. 1940 02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,670 Matt and Mike you're out of control. He has a he reached a 1941 02:03:53,670 --> 02:03:57,300 million. No doubt. Did he? Yeah, probably more than a million. 1942 02:03:57,690 --> 02:04:05,520 Holy cow. Oh man. Thank you, Mike. And bombshell, sir Speth 1943 02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:10,620 sir Spencer 100,000 SATs through curio caster and he says Happy 1944 02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:13,620 100th episode thanks for all you have done for Valve favor value 1945 02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:16,560 podcasting, decentralization and protecting freedom of expression 1946 02:04:16,740 --> 02:04:20,100 in the podcasting environment. He restored our passion for bowl 1947 02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:23,130 after bowl and helped us improve our value proposition in our 1948 02:04:23,130 --> 02:04:26,880 show over these past almost two years. We are ever grateful sir 1949 02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:30,840 Spencer and Dame DeLorean de la.com. Thank you guys 1950 02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:35,160 so nice. Really appreciate the support. 1951 02:04:36,990 --> 02:04:42,210 Let's see we got Chad Ferro. 100,000 SATs 100k for show 100 1952 02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:43,110 Boo. 1953 02:04:44,700 --> 02:04:47,370 Nice 100 Fire 1954 02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:49,530 Fire Fire one time for the one time. 1955 02:04:53,370 --> 02:04:59,490 Jeff arrow dropped 3333 and another 100,000 says 100k for 1956 02:04:59,490 --> 02:04:59,970 the Washington 1957 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,420 You guys are crazy. It's just so cool. 1958 02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:08,820 And did you read sourced? So congrats on episode 100? Yes, I 1959 02:05:08,820 --> 02:05:11,130 think I did the 100k 1960 02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,720 if not hundreds just to recognize it there you go. 1961 02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:23,850 Yeah as you pipe pipe CD. All right. Thank you source let's 1962 02:05:23,850 --> 02:05:30,630 see God's out one Macintosh and is for 1000 Set boosts. And he 1963 02:05:30,630 --> 02:05:33,930 says listen to Thursday's listened to Thursday episode and 1964 02:05:33,930 --> 02:05:37,410 note oh no agenda about died laughing at the old man boost. 1965 02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,230 Give me an old man boost and again congratulations on 100 1966 02:05:40,230 --> 02:05:41,880 episodes boost boost boost. I 1967 02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:42,840 know what that is. 1968 02:05:43,590 --> 02:05:49,920 Oh, man. I'm exhausted. We finally get the delimiter comic 1969 02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:53,970 strip blogger. There he is. 15,033 sets and he says how do 1970 02:05:53,970 --> 02:05:59,310 you David Adam, on September 3 in 1939, the United Kingdom, New 1971 02:05:59,310 --> 02:06:02,460 Zealand and Australia declared war on Germany after the 1972 02:06:02,460 --> 02:06:05,880 invasion of Poland. Exactly. 25 years later, inventor of 1973 02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:11,550 podcasting, Adam Curry was born. So, happy birthday to you, Adam. 1974 02:06:11,790 --> 02:06:12,330 Yo, 1975 02:06:12,690 --> 02:06:15,660 thank you for connecting me to Nazis. I really appreciate it. 1976 02:06:15,810 --> 02:06:20,100 CSB. highly appreciate it. Thank you for supporting podcasting. 1977 02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:24,180 2.0 You've been doing it generously every single week and 1978 02:06:24,180 --> 02:06:28,050 with code to thank you all for boosting. That's really great, 1979 02:06:28,050 --> 02:06:28,740 really great bunch 1980 02:06:28,740 --> 02:06:31,680 of shadowy super coders. That's what y'all are. Yes, right, any 1981 02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:36,540 monthlies, guest monthlies, Aaron Reno $5, Pedro gun calvess 1982 02:06:36,540 --> 02:06:44,460 $5. Chad Ferro $20.22 Sister Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Scott 1983 02:06:44,460 --> 02:06:50,400 Jalbert $12 Martin, Linda Skog, $1 and Mark Graham $1. Thank you 1984 02:06:50,430 --> 02:06:53,550 to everybody and thank you to everybody who's ever donated to 1985 02:06:53,550 --> 02:06:56,910 the show, even if it's just interest just $1 1986 02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:59,250 more towards your time, talent, treasure. 1987 02:07:00,420 --> 02:07:05,280 Yeah, all you took you took time out of your schedule to help and 1988 02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:06,390 it's greatly appreciated. 1989 02:07:06,420 --> 02:07:09,720 And we'll, we'll tally this up. We'll see how we did let 1990 02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:12,540 everybody know but the numerology word really? I mean 1991 02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:17,190 100,000 SATs is $20 and just have like just 20 thrown out. 1992 02:07:17,190 --> 02:07:19,980 Yeah, me I feel a little dirty like a stripper. But come on. 1993 02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:24,810 This shit is good. It's working. But also just thank you for I 1994 02:07:24,810 --> 02:07:28,230 mean, this is not just Adam and Dave but everybody knows that 1995 02:07:28,260 --> 02:07:31,680 this is everybody working together. This is some some kind 1996 02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:35,280 of groovy formula that we've stumbled upon and it just seems 1997 02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,430 to work I personally think it's because there is a monetary 1998 02:07:38,430 --> 02:07:42,090 thing involved everybody can share a piece of but who knows 1999 02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:45,930 regardless, I'm very very very grateful for this everything 2000 02:07:45,930 --> 02:07:46,650 that's happening. 2001 02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:49,650 And thank in really, thank you, thank you to the big to the 2002 02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:54,360 ballers with Nina Drib and ITAR and Mike Newman, or, you know, 2003 02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:58,320 this million sad I mean that we mean going to Dallas wasn't 2004 02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,010 cheap. And that comes out of the so far it's still on my card. 2005 02:08:02,670 --> 02:08:03,030 And we 2006 02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:05,850 you got to pay yourself back. But you 2007 02:08:05,850 --> 02:08:07,680 didn't you didn't have to pay anything, right? It was all on 2008 02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:08,910 my card when you checked out. 2009 02:08:10,170 --> 02:08:13,470 Yes, it went to your card. Okay, so you'll, you have to transfer 2010 02:08:13,470 --> 02:08:17,040 that over. And somehow I've got to figure it out. This goes back 2011 02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,210 to your thing, John. You know, when you're talking about being 2012 02:08:21,210 --> 02:08:26,670 D platformed. And the potential for that I'm not so I had this 2013 02:08:26,670 --> 02:08:32,430 experience this week I'm trying to pay for I'm trying to pay 2014 02:08:32,430 --> 02:08:37,170 myself back from the pet from our Pay Pal for the cost on my 2015 02:08:37,170 --> 02:08:43,950 card to pay Tim, Tim K for the LMP node. And I'm trying to pay 2016 02:08:43,950 --> 02:08:49,140 this back and it's like, okay, well you can't you can't send 2017 02:08:49,380 --> 02:08:51,720 money unless it's for goods or services because it's a business 2018 02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:53,070 it's a bunch of disability 2019 02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:55,710 so fucking complicated these a 2020 02:08:55,889 --> 02:08:59,069 nightmare. And then I go in there and I'm trying to link a 2021 02:08:59,069 --> 02:09:02,879 bank account because Okay, gonna do transfer. I won't I won't do 2022 02:09:02,879 --> 02:09:06,329 a PayPal thing I'll just do a transfer try to link my bank 2023 02:09:06,329 --> 02:09:09,089 account to do it over here and it's like, you can't do this 2024 02:09:09,089 --> 02:09:11,759 because it's not you have to set the name on the account supposed 2025 02:09:11,759 --> 02:09:14,849 to be the name is same as the name and Pay Pal. And do this 2026 02:09:14,849 --> 02:09:18,689 whole thing. I'm looking I'm like, Okay, I'm afraid to doing 2027 02:09:18,689 --> 02:09:22,169 all this stuff. They're just gonna see like shenanigans going 2028 02:09:22,169 --> 02:09:25,649 on and they're just gonna close the account like not not even 2029 02:09:25,649 --> 02:09:29,129 that it's content they get gets me the platform. But that is 2030 02:09:29,159 --> 02:09:34,559 this this flaky, finicky Trigger Happy financial system can just 2031 02:09:34,559 --> 02:09:37,829 be like, You know what, you're too much trouble got done. Like 2032 02:09:37,859 --> 02:09:41,429 or you did one thing wrong. You tried to link something that 2033 02:09:41,429 --> 02:09:44,729 wasn't that we don't like through AI or something and 2034 02:09:44,729 --> 02:09:46,289 we're just gonna shut your whole account 2035 02:09:46,290 --> 02:09:49,680 down. Yeah, there is a real risk for that. It's really sucks. 2036 02:09:49,950 --> 02:09:53,100 I'm afraid to do too much to it. Because I'm afraid that they're 2037 02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:56,100 just going to be like, you know, you know what, this is weird. 2038 02:09:56,370 --> 02:10:01,320 You're done. And that that that alone is worth the price of 2039 02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:05,280 admission for lightning or some alternative system because you 2040 02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:08,910 can you know if I need reimbursement for some expense 2041 02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:09,600 it's 2042 02:10:09,630 --> 02:10:15,810 how about this? Why don't we Why don't we set up I can set up I 2043 02:10:15,810 --> 02:10:23,100 think I can set up strike on a on the podcasting 2.0 account. 2044 02:10:24,210 --> 02:10:29,040 And then we could just transfer it and SATs. Yeah, maybe not, 2045 02:10:29,070 --> 02:10:31,860 which we'll think about but we'll come up with something. I 2046 02:10:31,860 --> 02:10:34,380 love working around these systems is so stupid. 2047 02:10:35,130 --> 02:10:37,650 Ya know, it's so add a man so 2048 02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:41,160 maddening. What do we give this cIgi guy who didn't? 10% 2049 02:10:42,570 --> 02:10:47,880 Yeah, 10% 10% Do you want him to go? You don't want to negotiate. 2050 02:10:47,940 --> 02:10:48,330 John 2051 02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:52,470 just sounded like that. Look, I'm just, I'm a rollover on this 2052 02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:54,390 sort of stuff. I'm just stoked to be here. So you know, 2053 02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:55,380 whatever you think is fair. 2054 02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:01,560 Saturday morning, whatever. 2055 02:11:02,370 --> 02:11:06,420 Straight? That's it. Okay, you're in the block. Good to go 2056 02:11:06,420 --> 02:11:11,940 there. Thanks. Yeah, no, of course. Genesis long, long board 2057 02:11:11,940 --> 02:11:14,580 meeting. Do we need to do anything else before we wrap up? 2058 02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:18,210 I don't think so. I've got I have other things I want to talk 2059 02:11:18,210 --> 02:11:20,040 about that we will push into next week. 2060 02:11:20,190 --> 02:11:23,250 Oh, yeah. Oh, there's so much to talk about so much to do. So 2061 02:11:23,250 --> 02:11:26,340 little time. John. God, thank you so much, man for getting up 2062 02:11:26,370 --> 02:11:29,910 early for being a part of this community as well. And a big 2063 02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:34,770 part of it. And very active participant. And thank you for 2064 02:11:34,770 --> 02:11:38,070 the financial support. It's really easy. It's like comes on 2065 02:11:38,070 --> 02:11:40,740 for free. Takes a cheap split. 2066 02:11:43,950 --> 02:11:46,350 Thank you for sharing all your code. Thank you for putting all 2067 02:11:46,350 --> 02:11:49,560 that up and sore. So we're really rip I know, that's you 2068 02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:52,740 didn't that wasn't something that you were used to doing 2069 02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:55,680 right? You didn't really do a lot of open source before. But 2070 02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:57,720 now when you get out of your comfort zone and started doing 2071 02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:58,440 that, I appreciate 2072 02:11:59,099 --> 02:12:02,309 that's okay. I'm just hope that everyone anyone that can get 2073 02:12:02,309 --> 02:12:04,739 anything useful out of it, get something useful out of it. And 2074 02:12:04,769 --> 02:12:07,709 and thank you, both of you for actually pulling this together 2075 02:12:07,739 --> 02:12:11,339 kicking this off and it's developing a life of its own the 2076 02:12:11,339 --> 02:12:14,369 whole podcasting 2.0 thing is just getting better and better 2077 02:12:14,399 --> 02:12:18,269 every week. So it's exciting to be a part of it. Thank you. 2078 02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,500 We're just getting started. Just getting started. Have a great 2079 02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,590 weekend. Great Saturday for you. Great weekend for you, Dave. 2080 02:12:25,590 --> 02:12:28,230 Thank you everybody in the chat room. Thank you all so much. 2081 02:12:28,230 --> 02:12:30,390 Thank you for commenting on the mastodon thank you for being 2082 02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:35,310 around. And we'll see you next week with another board meeting 2083 02:12:35,310 --> 02:12:40,380 podcasting. 2.0 see us right here. We'll be late as usual. 2084 02:12:56,910 --> 02:13:02,670 Listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more 2085 02:13:02,670 --> 02:13:03,570 information 2086 02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:10,170 please come and talk to us please