Episode 246: Crap Trap

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Podcasting 2.0 for January 2nd, 2026, episode

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246.

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Trap, trap.

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Well, happy new year, everybody.

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Welcome back to the boardroom for Podcasting 2

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.0. That's right.

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What is gonna be happening this year?

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Well, we're not looking back, that's for sure.

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We're only looking forward.

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In fact, we are the only boardroom that

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does not have free daycare.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who only gets smarter with each year

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that passes.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the pod sage himself, Mr. Dave Jones.

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I'm looking at this picture you sent of

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your wiring closet.

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It's not a wiring closet.

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It's a closet full of wires.

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Okay, of your wire closet.

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Yes.

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Why?

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Yes, where I keep my stuff.

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I think I spot the, your, how do

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I describe it?

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Your aborted project.

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Oh, the Podcaster Pro?

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Podcaster Pro.

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No.

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I think I spot one.

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No, it's not.

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What am I seeing in here?

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That is the PodMobile.

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Oh, that's right.

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I forgot about the PodMobile.

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Yeah, the PodMobile, which is still selling.

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People like it a lot.

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I still recommend people get it.

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It's that perfect, you know, you want two

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microphones.

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You want to have someone on Skype or

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a clean feed or Zoom or Riverside or

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whatever.

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You want built-in noise gate compressor limiter.

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That's the box.

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I totally forgot about the PodMobile.

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It's fantastic.

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It's a good little rig.

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What's the blue thing with the, let's see,

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one, two, three, four, five, six knobs.

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The blue thing?

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Yeah.

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Hold on.

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That's a half rack.

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That's a half rack.

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No, that's not a half.

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No, that's one of those weird, weird sizes

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that doesn't really fit anywhere.

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I'll tell you what that is.

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Oh, the blue one?

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Yeah, it's a 3 7th rack.

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Oh, I can't focus on it.

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It's underneath my Motu M4 EXPS.

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I think that's a, hold on, let me

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see.

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Oh, you're actually going in the closet.

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Okay.

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Oh, I see.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, cool.

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PreSonus compressor limiter.

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Oh, is that the tube one you're talking

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about?

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No, no, no.

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The TLS?

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No, that thing is in the garage somewhere.

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That thing is huge.

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That's like a 3 19 inch rack high.

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The studio that used to be over, I

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don't know if I've mentioned this before, but

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there used to be a great studio over

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here in Homewood, which is about five minutes

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away from me.

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And they had a plate reverb.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, in a room by itself because

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you couldn't have anything.

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It was a humongous plate, huge.

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Just hanging on it like, it was in

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this big contraption suspended by wires.

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So it was great.

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When I was working in the Netherlands, 1984

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at the big government run facilities.

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And we were kind of like the pirates

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who came in and we were playing music

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they'd never heard before.

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And we had three hours on Friday night,

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but there would be someone else.

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I think it was actually the Evangelical Broadcast

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Corporation.

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They had a couple hours before us.

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EFCO.

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And so all the microphones, any reverb was

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also done in a plate room and the

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plate room was open one time.

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And so when they cracked the mic, we

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were yelling into the plate.

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So you could hear us come, our reverbs.

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That's hilarious.

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Cause you could just yell into it.

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This is like Eddie Van Halen with Makita

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drill over his pickup.

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You just, it just grabs everything around.

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Oh yeah.

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Everything in the environment.

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How was your new year's brother?

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Oh, it was good.

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Yeah.

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How are you feeling by the way though?

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That's the most important thing.

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You were down.

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I'd say energy level is 95%.

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Head clarity, about 95%.

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Snot quotient, very high.

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You're still like just pumping out the snot

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for no apparent reason.

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Oh man, yeah.

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I've been using the mute button a lot

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this week.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, sneezing and snottering.

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Yeah, it's okay.

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But whenever you say I'm down, that clearly

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means you are in bad shape.

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You don't usually say that.

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Although for a while though, I was able

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to do Alex Jones's voice really perfectly.

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I don't think I got any more, damn

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it, I've got neuralgia.

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Cold order.

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Yeah, I love Candace, but she's got it

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all wrong.

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Got it all wrong.

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We got all the documents.

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We got the documents.

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I've been telling you for years about this

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stuff.

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Oh, that's good.

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Pretty good.

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Pretty close, pretty close, yeah.

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This, yeah, everybody around me has it.

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You know me.

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I mean, I'm like, I'm a virus magnet.

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I get everything.

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You are a seething infected human resource.

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Usually.

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A little tupperware of pus and mucus.

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But there's no- Wait, show title, Tupperware

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of Pus.

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Got it.

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That's great.

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Yeah, that'll really draw them in.

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Oh, yeah.

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But I mean, I usually get everything, but

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some, I mean, people are just sick all

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around me for weeks now, and I'm immune.

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I don't know what is going on.

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That is interesting, because Tina stayed away from

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me, and because, you know, when she's sick,

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then she gets really sick.

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So she didn't get it, but we were

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on no agenda yesterday.

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I guess ABC got the big pharma bucks

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for this week or something.

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So they were just like, super flu, who's

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got the flu?

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Who's got the flu?

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We got people dying from the flu.

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And they admitted in the report that the

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science got it wrong.

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They guessed on the wrong influenza this year.

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So if you got the flu shot, it's

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not gonna help.

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But the best thing you can do, the

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best thing you can do right now is

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get the flu shot.

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I swear to God.

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It's not gonna help, but you should go

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ahead and get it anyway.

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I'm telling you, it's the craziest thing.

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Cool, that's good reasoning.

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I had a bit of, I don't know

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if an epiphany is the right word, but

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for the past, I don't know, it's been

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months now, there's been all this talk of

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HLS video, alternate enclosures, which is all fine.

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I'm all good with it.

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And I decided to look a little, and

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the one thing I've heard is, well, Apple

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doesn't support HLS video.

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Of course, and if Apple doesn't support it,

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no one's ever gonna do it.

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It'll never happen.

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We're all gonna fall, we're all gonna die.

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And I was thinking that HLS audio, if

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there was ever a way to differentiate podcasting,

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and I'm talking about the podcast industrial complex,

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because I'm here for everybody, and I have

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no dog in the hunt.

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But when you, if you, and I don't

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know exactly the reasons why this hasn't been

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discussed, but if we put HLS audio in

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the alternate enclosure, which might actually motivate Apple

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to recognize the alternate enclosure, the Apple podcast

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app loves HLS audio, has no problem with

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it.

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Wait, the Apple podcast app?

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I'm pretty sure, yeah.

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I'm pretty sure it does.

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In the regular enclosure?

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In the regular enclosure, yeah.

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They don't recognize the alternative enclosure.

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So you're telling me that the Apple podcast

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app will read an HLS media type out

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of the enclosure?

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99% sure.

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And of course, most podcast apps do, because

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it's an MU38 file, right?

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Isn't that?

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Yeah, it's a playlist.

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Yeah, it's a playlist.

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Wouldn't that be a huge differentiator for the

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quote unquote industry, if we were able to

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actually pinpoint if someone heard the ad?

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Because when you have HLS audio, you can

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do that.

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Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.

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What is this hemming and hawing you're doing

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at me?

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No, no, I'm not eschewing you.

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I'm assenting.

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That's a contemplative assent is what that is.

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I mean, because everyone's talking about HLS video.

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Why not do HLS audio?

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Because then you could finally deliver to the

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advertisers what they really want.

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Now, I believe no one wants to push

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for it because, oh my God, when they

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find out that they're just counting downloads and

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they're not actually listening, we're going to lose

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out.

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But I would say the opposite.

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Let me pop your bubble, though.

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I don't think it's necessary to pinpoint the

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ads because that's already done with range requests

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if you're talking about streaming.

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But no one's reporting that.

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They're only reporting downloads, or am I incorrect?

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I mean, I'm talking about- No, they're

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accounting for it.

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They're accounting for it.

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It's part of the IAB measurement standard is

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how to handle a range request.

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I don't know how they tie that back

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to ads, like at the slots and all

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that stuff.

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I don't know about that.

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I just thought if we could move the

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industry away from downloads only, which is, as

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far as I know, is still the metric,

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instead of we can tell you exactly who

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heard your host read ad or whatever, DAI

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or whatever, it's all fine.

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But really being able to pinpoint here's how

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many people heard your ad, I think that

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your CPMs would go up, like dramatically.

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So what's your...

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Okay, so let me see if I can

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replay this back to you.

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You're, so you're saying if we had, if

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there was an HLS audio, and I think

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you could do, you could do MPEG-3

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over HLS, I think.

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Yeah, sure you can.

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Yeah, okay, so you can do MP3 over

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H.

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So if you're saying something like MP3 over

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HLS, that if that was the delivery format,

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that then it would be, the default would

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become streaming instead of downloading, and that would

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make for broader attribution of ad placement.

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It's all about attribution.

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I would say the way it would go

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is if we had a couple of hosts,

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and I think there's a few, that would

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provide an alternate enclosure, because I'm trying to

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accomplish a few things at once, an alternate

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enclosure with HLS MP3, then we could offer

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a nice sample to advertisers based upon the

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modern podcast apps that would implement this by

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serving up, so you can still download.

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And so everything is extra.

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It's more file storage.

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It's more, I mean, there's a lot more

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work for everybody, but you could then offer

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maybe five or six different podcast apps that

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would give you a sample of how many

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people heard your ad.

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You can extrapolate that into whatever formula you

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want, but it might actually spur Apple to

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recognize the alternate enclosure.

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And once we have that, then we have

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all kinds of fun stuff we can do.

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Does that make sense?

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Yes, I follow your reason.

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Yeah, I follow your chain of reasoning.

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It feels, see, it feels, I don't know.

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And I see where you're going, but it

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seems like they would be more likely to

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tie it to a new feature rather than

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an invisible, already sort of mostly supported feature,

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because then you get something new.

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Well, the problem is you can't just switch

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to HLS MP3 for everybody, because you're gonna

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break all kinds of stuff.

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Yeah, for sure.

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You know, the bots that go out and

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look at stuff, you get size issues, you

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know, how many bytes, all kinds of stuff

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breaks if you do that.

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Yeah, but what I'm saying is if you

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have like, I feel like an Apple or

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a Spotify or somebody like that would be

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more likely to adopt video HLS in the

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alternate enclosure than audio HLS, because they, just

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thinking from their terms, they've already got the

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audio part nailed down, you know, that.

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Now, I think, I just don't think they

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would want to do like an invisible feature.

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Well, I'm trying to create something that is

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unique to audio podcasting for the apps versus

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everybody trying somehow to catch up and compete

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with YouTube, which you can't.

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You can't, you just can't.

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No, no.

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So why waste all this time, energy and

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money on sending out video, which people are

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just gonna watch video and YouTube and TikTok

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and et cetera, et cetera.

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Why not create something unique that is unique

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for advertisers?

364
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Because that's what it comes down to for

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the complex.

366
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But see, YouTube is just a different thing.

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It's not.

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When it comes to where the money's going,

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it's not.

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But when it comes to the way that

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people, what people choose to listen to or

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watch, like when it, because when it comes

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to listening to a podcast, I go to

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my podcast app.

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When it comes to audio books, I go

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to Audible.

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When it's, you know, when it's something, but

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when it's something other than that, I go

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to YouTube.

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But yeah, exactly.

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You just said it.

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But that's not the crisis the industry feels

383
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it's in.

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Listen to the most recent episode of Podcast

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Weekly Review.

386
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Oh, I haven't heard it yet.

387
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Oh yeah.

388
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Well, it's, if we don't do video, podcasting

389
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is gonna die.

390
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Now, I don't agree with that, but I

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understand the motivation to take what it must

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to shoehorn video into podcast apps, which I

393
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just think is a mistake.

394
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I've said this before.

395
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I don't care.

396
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It's fine if we do it, that's okay.

397
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But you're not gonna win.

398
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You're not gonna beat free YouTube hosting for

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your podcast.

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People will release an MP3 podcast and they're

401
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gonna put it on YouTube or Rumble or

402
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wherever.

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So I just don't see, instead of fighting

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that, why not offer something more to the

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advertising industry that gives them a good, warm

406
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feeling about audio?

407
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I'm trying to see the aspects.

408
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I'm trying to see something in what you're

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talking about that makes sense to me.

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And I think I may see a little

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bit of something.

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So if you're, the one thing that HLS

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would have that the other, that MP3 delivery

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out of whole cloth, as it were, doesn't

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have right now, or it would be the

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ability to stream ads, I think in a

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more simplistic way.

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My understanding of the way the stack works

419
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on the hosting side when there's dynamic ad

420
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insertion is, and somebody can correct me if

421
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I'm wrong, but my understanding of the way

422
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it works is that the hosting company has

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the source audio.

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So they have, you as the podcaster upload,

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and I'm talking about as a host, if

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you're using a hosting company.

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So you would upload it to, let's say,

428
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Blueberry.

429
00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:14,510
Blueberry hands it off to Soundstack, hands that

430
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MP3 file off to Soundstack, which does some

431
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insertion, some ad insertion, and then delivers it

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back.

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With the ads baked in.

434
00:17:25,410 --> 00:17:27,170
Well, you're talking about ad insertion.

435
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I think that's a race to the bottom.

436
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I still think host-read ads are more

437
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valuable, but are very difficult to track when

438
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you're talking about inserted ads.

439
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The industry has inserted ads kind of figured

440
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:43,290
out, but if you want to make more

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money at a higher CPM, that's when HLS

442
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becomes a magic bullet.

443
00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:51,670
So you're not talking about DAI.

444
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You're talking about something that's baked in.

445
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:53,910
Yeah.

446
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During the recording.

447
00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:56,690
Yeah.

448
00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:58,450
DAI is crap.

449
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That's, you know, it's $3 CPM.

450
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It's going all the way down to the

451
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toilet.

452
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Of course.

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And that's why it's not valuable.

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The host-read ads are very valuable, but

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they've fallen, as far as I can tell,

456
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a little bit out of favor.

457
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You know, Joe Rogan has solved that by

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interrupting the show five times an hour and

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jamming in some ads that sound like they're

460
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read by him, but they might not even

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be.

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You know, and I'm sure they track that

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too.

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But the natural flow, if we step back,

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you know, five years and we have someone

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host-read ad, which is always, always going

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to have a higher CPM, but that you

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can actually track it, how many people heard

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it, just seems like that would be better.

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Side note real quick.

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If you're, if you are a, a big

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audio production podcast, podcast or, or, or otherwise,

473
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why would you not, with the current voice

474
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cloning technology, why would you not just hire

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a staff member to do all of your

476
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ad reads with a cloned voice on your

477
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behalf?

478
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That way you never have to read a

479
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lick anymore.

480
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Because they suck.

481
00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:23,370
But, but they, they're, they're use 11 labs

482
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or something like that.

483
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I've, I've tried 11 ads, 11, 11, 11

484
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labs.

485
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It sucks.

486
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:30,410
It's not consistent, you know, it's no, it's

487
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not great at, at cloning.

488
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It's just not, none of it is.

489
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Couldn't you have, couldn't you read, have somebody

490
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reading it, but then it's just making you

491
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sound like the other person?

492
00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:43,430
Yeah, but that, that second part you said,

493
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making you sound like it, it, in, in

494
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reality, it doesn't really work that well.

495
00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:49,450
Oh, okay.

496
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Or it sounds dead.

497
00:19:51,530 --> 00:19:53,370
Hey, what is the problem?

498
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Just read the ad.

499
00:19:55,810 --> 00:19:57,090
But they don't want to.

500
00:19:57,170 --> 00:19:59,010
Well, that's, that's a different issue.

501
00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:01,710
But if I'm paying for Joe Rogan, I

502
00:20:01,710 --> 00:20:02,870
want to hear Joe Rogan.

503
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:08,170
I mean, the whole relationship with advertising, Dan,

504
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I don't, I don't know if you've listened

505
00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:13,710
to the latest media round table.

506
00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:15,930
No, I haven't heard it.

507
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:16,850
I haven't heard it, no.

508
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He was interviewing these, these two girls from

509
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Girls Gone Bible podcast.

510
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I already like it.

511
00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:31,830
I'm sure these are nice.

512
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:35,170
I'm sure these are nice young ladies, but

513
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the, the questions about their relationship, you know,

514
00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:43,310
and they're, they're, you know, they're Christians and

515
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:43,830
that kind of thing.

516
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:48,390
But the, the sort of like tortured relationship

517
00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:52,970
that they were trying to work through with,

518
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:59,210
with, with advertisers, it just, it hurt my

519
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heart.

520
00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:02,830
Wait, before you continue, I just want you

521
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to hear 11 Labs.

522
00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:06,490
An ad, an ad from Adam Curry.

523
00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:07,810
Okay, here we go.

524
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This is Adam Curry and you're eating farmer's

525
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dog.

526
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:12,990
That's, that's terrible.

527
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:14,430
He's number two.

528
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:17,150
This is Adam Curry and you're eating farmer's

529
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:17,630
dog.

530
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:20,190
See, that's, that's my voice, but it sounds

531
00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:20,830
like crap.

532
00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:23,430
Yeah, it doesn't sound like anything you would

533
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:24,010
do.

534
00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:27,370
Exactly, exactly, exactly.

535
00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:29,190
That's like you, that's like you own steroids

536
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:29,530
or something.

537
00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:30,830
I don't know what it is.

538
00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:31,850
It's no good.

539
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:33,830
All right, back to the Bible ladies.

540
00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:35,870
Oh yeah, the girl's gone Bible.

541
00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:40,830
They, I guess what, you know, like one,

542
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:44,670
they were, they said the same like thing

543
00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:46,270
that we hear from most podcasts.

544
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:50,070
I can't, again, I'm not criticizing them.

545
00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:51,330
This is just kind of what you have

546
00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:51,810
to do.

547
00:21:53,650 --> 00:21:56,290
The, every podcaster you will hear, you will

548
00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:59,310
hear says the same thing when it was

549
00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,570
related, when, when they're talking about their relationship

550
00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:02,290
to advertisers.

551
00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:03,610
They're like, if I don't believe in the

552
00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:06,150
product, I'm not going to talk about it

553
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:06,690
on my show.

554
00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:07,550
You're right.

555
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:10,830
Exactly, and we all, we all sort of

556
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:13,570
internally eye roll that because we're like, look,

557
00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:16,970
man, if somebody offers you a lucrative ad

558
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:19,150
deal, you're not, you're going to, you're going

559
00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:20,910
to make it say, what you're going to

560
00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:22,550
do is you're going to, you're going to

561
00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:23,590
love farmer's dog.

562
00:22:23,650 --> 00:22:24,670
It's going to taste great.

563
00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:26,750
You're going to make yourself love it.

564
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:27,470
Yes, of course.

565
00:22:28,030 --> 00:22:29,970
You may, you may not be lying to

566
00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:31,750
the audience, but you may be lying to

567
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:32,270
yourself.

568
00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:33,070
Oh man.

569
00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:35,410
And to Jesus, which is even worse.

570
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:38,470
Well, and the, the, the, the, the thing

571
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:40,370
that made me just sort of literally, you

572
00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:43,490
know, just laugh out loud was that it

573
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:44,950
got to a point where Dan Granger was

574
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:48,510
like, do you have a, do you have

575
00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:49,970
an example of a certain type of that

576
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:50,390
or whatever?

577
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:52,150
And she's in one of the girls was

578
00:22:52,150 --> 00:22:53,790
like, yeah, you know, yeah, there was this

579
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:55,730
great mattress that they, you know, that we

580
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:56,210
loved.

581
00:22:56,730 --> 00:23:00,770
And, uh, um, uh, what was it again?

582
00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:02,890
Like loved it so much.

583
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:03,970
I don't remember what it was.

584
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,750
And she was like, is she pitched to

585
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:06,210
the other girls?

586
00:23:06,330 --> 00:23:07,290
Like, what, what was the name of that

587
00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:07,650
mattress?

588
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:10,310
And the other girl was like, um, I

589
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:11,990
can't really remember right this second.

590
00:23:12,030 --> 00:23:12,590
Give me a minute.

591
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:14,870
Neither one of them could remember this, this,

592
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:17,570
this mattress that they quote unquote loved.

593
00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:18,070
Yeah.

594
00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:18,690
Yes.

595
00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:22,510
It's I'm like, man, this is this relay,

596
00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:30,300
this advertising relationship thing is so, I mean,

597
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:32,340
I understand, I think I understand what your

598
00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:33,480
motivation here is.

599
00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:35,060
Your motivation is a technical one.

600
00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:35,960
I want to help people.

601
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:37,200
I know my motivations.

602
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:39,180
I want to help people because they're stuck

603
00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:41,500
in this loop of video and I can

604
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:43,260
just see it coming down Broadway.

605
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,540
It's going to be meh.

606
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:45,380
Yeah.

607
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960
It's this, you know, put a lot of

608
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,820
effort into it.

609
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,360
Okay.

610
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:53,540
I've sort of been in, for some reason

611
00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:56,560
I've gotten into, uh, to, in addition to

612
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,580
the girl's gone Bible, I've gotten into a

613
00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:04,520
couple of other, like what we call gen

614
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Y women podcasts.

615
00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:09,520
Oh, is this an only fans thing?

616
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,800
No, no, no, no, no, sorry.

617
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,940
So I'm, I'm writing a, I'm writing a,

618
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:20,820
and I'm writing an app for a, I

619
00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:21,300
say an app.

620
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,260
I'm writing an application that will help people

621
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,500
monitor the index.

622
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Uh, so I started, I was hoping to

623
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,840
have it ready today, but it just did

624
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,900
not come together in time, but it's like

625
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:34,740
a, it's, so it's a, it's a console

626
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,040
app that you can run in a terminal

627
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,300
and it will, it will use the, the

628
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,680
recent feeds in point.

629
00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:44,760
And the goal of this application is going

630
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,780
to be to help people run it on

631
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:47,280
their machine.

632
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,700
It's a crap trap, a crap trap.

633
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:50,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,300
And so you, you run the application, it'll

635
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:55,840
give you a whole, it will show you

636
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,340
all the new feeds that are coming into

637
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:59,200
the index in nearly real time.

638
00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:02,240
You can, and you use your own neural

639
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,260
networking to determine what's crap.

640
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,040
You can triage it.

641
00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:06,320
Yeah.

642
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,380
You can, you can hook, you can hook

643
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:10,440
your own functions into it and that kind

644
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,620
of thing in order to do like lots

645
00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:14,960
of people can do all kinds of cool

646
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,300
stuff with it and then feed that.

647
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,240
If you have a public read, write key

648
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,320
API key for the index, you can feed,

649
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:24,140
you'll be able to feed that triage back

650
00:25:24,140 --> 00:25:25,760
into the index to let us know whether

651
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,380
something, what, what type of stuff this is.

652
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,940
I like it.

653
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,680
The dashboard.

654
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:30,920
It's a dashboard.

655
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,000
It's a dashboard.

656
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,060
And for, and so I've been listening.

657
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:36,360
So part of the, what this app does

658
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,280
is you, um, you can just like cursor

659
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,020
around on these new feeds and you can

660
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:44,280
hit the P button and it'll just play

661
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,340
the latest enclosure.

662
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:46,740
Oh, awesome.

663
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,780
So you can listen and try to, cause

664
00:25:49,780 --> 00:25:52,080
sometimes you think something's AI, but you're not

665
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,420
sure.

666
00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:54,720
So you can play a sample of it.

667
00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:55,040
Yeah.

668
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,480
And I got, I've been listening to, Ooh,

669
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,940
there's some good stuff apparently.

670
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:03,700
Oh, there's some great stuff in here.

671
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,500
But man, if you just watch the fire

672
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,320
hose, yikes.

673
00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:08,560
Oh, I'm sure it's fun.

674
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:11,260
I love looking at pod ping dot, uh,

675
00:26:11,860 --> 00:26:14,620
tiles or whatever is the, I love seeing

676
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:15,780
the new stuff update.

677
00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:18,560
I almost wish I had like a, like

678
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,140
a radio button that would you could just

679
00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:23,600
like listen to 30 seconds of each one

680
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,800
as they're coming in.

681
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,640
That'll be the first thing I vibe code

682
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,120
the minute you release this console.

683
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:33,880
So like, this is a, this is another,

684
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:37,500
uh, I I'm calling them Gen Y girl

685
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:38,460
type thing.

686
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,560
Uh, I sent you some clips.

687
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:43,260
Uh, the one, the one I listened to

688
00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:46,760
yesterday was, uh, she's, she's like a therapist

689
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,360
or something.

690
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,840
And she's giving, there's all kinds.

691
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,320
I've got multiple little tidbits of advice that

692
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,320
she's giving, that I will just sprinkle throughout

693
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:54,720
the show.

694
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,620
What is the name of this much?

695
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:58,320
What is the name of this podcast?

696
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,280
I don't even remember.

697
00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,780
It was something so generic that I don't

698
00:27:02,780 --> 00:27:03,240
even remember.

699
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,540
It was like success for life.

700
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:06,940
I don't even know.

701
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:07,420
Okay.

702
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,360
I don't remember what her name was.

703
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,180
It's like the mattress.

704
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,080
It's like the mattress is so good.

705
00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:14,660
This, I clipped it, but I don't remember

706
00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:15,540
the name of the show.

707
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:15,940
Okay.

708
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:18,040
All I had was the enclosure download.

709
00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:19,540
That's all I remember from this thing.

710
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,140
It came from your, from your console basically.

711
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Yeah.

712
00:27:23,620 --> 00:27:23,980
Okay.

713
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:24,700
I got you.

714
00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:24,920
Yeah.

715
00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:27,580
For a little sample of this, let's listen

716
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:28,940
to her advice on success.

717
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:31,780
You send someone an email because you would

718
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:33,740
like them on your podcast.

719
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,600
By the way, she's using the same microphone

720
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,740
Mitch Downey's using.

721
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,680
You send someone an email because you would

722
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,500
like them on your podcast or blog or

723
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,100
like some kind of collaboration, right?

724
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,840
You send them an email because you want

725
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,280
to collab in some shape, way or form,

726
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,660
whether whatever.

727
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:53,020
Okay.

728
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,140
And you don't hear back from them and

729
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:56,000
you're like, okay, whatever.

730
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:57,760
And you just give up on yourself, but

731
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,360
you haven't really gotten an answer.

732
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:01,660
So the door's open, right?

733
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:05,220
There's sometimes when you send stuff and people

734
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,660
don't respond, but you don't never not follow

735
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:10,080
up because you want to get an answer,

736
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,440
right?

737
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,040
And to see whether the door is closed

738
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,360
and or at least mostly closed, right?

739
00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:17,880
Cause then you can be like, okay, I'll

740
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,100
reach out in six months time or whatever.

741
00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:20,560
Right.

742
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:21,000
Right.

743
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,000
And like get back on their radar.

744
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:24,500
Right.

745
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:26,100
But for now you know that the radar

746
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,220
is closed and you're complete with that versus

747
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:30,720
you doing a half ass job and only

748
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,320
reaching out once that is leaking success because

749
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,260
you're leaking the possibility of more success because

750
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,380
you haven't followed up on something with someone.

751
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,000
This goes for like when you're applying for

752
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,500
jobs too.

753
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:41,820
Like if you really want a job at

754
00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:45,240
a certain place, then you want to follow

755
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,840
up, you know, you want to keep applying.

756
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:50,720
You want to like get into it somehow.

757
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:56,640
Now, do you consider that a good advice?

758
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,360
No, but I, I considered a valid podcast.

759
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,500
That's for sure.

760
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,980
It's a great pod.

761
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:04,560
I'd listen to it this from time to

762
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,280
time, just a little bit, like a sampling.

763
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:06,740
Sure.

764
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,940
Oh, I listened to three episodes of it

765
00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:11,480
and I still have no idea what her

766
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,000
name is.

767
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
I couldn't stop listening to it.

768
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,460
It was great.

769
00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:16,040
Well, I mean I was, I was getting

770
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,340
ISO.

771
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,020
I could have hit you with 75 ISOs

772
00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:19,560
from this podcast.

773
00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:21,380
Well, I want to hear the donation segment

774
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:23,200
advice because is that from her?

775
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,180
Yeah.

776
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:25,600
Oh, the donation segment.

777
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,480
Oh, I'm sorry.

778
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:26,940
Okay.

779
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:27,800
And it's all right.

780
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:28,380
I got you.

781
00:29:28,420 --> 00:29:28,980
I got you.

782
00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:29,560
I got you.

783
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,460
No, you can, you can, uh, great.

784
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,700
You can hit the ISO though.

785
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:33,280
Yeah.

786
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:34,700
Okay.

787
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,220
I'm actually terrible at like tabs on my

788
00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:37,600
computer.

789
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:43,730
There was, there was a hundred of those.

790
00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:49,790
You know, I'm thinking all of it, you

791
00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:51,670
know, I have streaming on my mind, right?

792
00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:56,090
So I'm thinking, wouldn't it be great to

793
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:59,390
have a 24 seven live stream that just

794
00:29:59,390 --> 00:30:03,270
plays 30 seconds of every new episode that

795
00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:05,470
hits the recent API end point?

796
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:07,350
That would be horrible.

797
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:08,390
No, no.

798
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:10,270
It's a discovery mechanism, baby.

799
00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:13,530
This is K you're, you're an agent of

800
00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:13,810
chaos.

801
00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:14,590
I am.

802
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:16,570
Uh, this is, uh, this is actually, I'm

803
00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:18,110
kind of liking this idea now.

804
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,370
I mean, anything that's streaming, I'll listen to

805
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:20,530
it.

806
00:30:20,530 --> 00:30:23,570
It's like streaming, streaming crap is fantastic.

807
00:30:23,770 --> 00:30:24,470
I, yeah.

808
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:25,830
Okay.

809
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:28,930
I can't wait for this radio chaos podcast.

810
00:30:29,050 --> 00:30:29,150
Right?

811
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:29,630
Yes.

812
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:31,530
Well, people are always looking to be discovered.

813
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:32,990
Well, there you go.

814
00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:35,290
Well, and just one other thing before we

815
00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:37,370
bring our very patient guests on.

816
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:38,170
Yeah.

817
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:41,050
Um, and I think this was a thread

818
00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:43,350
and I can't remember exactly who started it,

819
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:45,970
but it was about the, um, you know,

820
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,790
kind of a follow on to, uh, change

821
00:30:48,790 --> 00:30:51,670
my feed or my podcast, this or whatever

822
00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:52,550
we were talking about.

823
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:52,950
Yeah.

824
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:53,190
Yeah.

825
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:55,850
Move your podcast or I got a sneeze.

826
00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:58,850
Go, go, go.

827
00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:00,670
It didn't happen.

828
00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:02,170
It's when you, when you have to sneeze

829
00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:03,870
and you say it and then it doesn't

830
00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:04,190
happen.

831
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:04,870
That's the worst.

832
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:09,030
Um, what is, so I don't know where

833
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:10,250
it's some, it came up somewhere.

834
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:13,390
Someone said, what about a verified check Mark?

835
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,780
You know, instead of saying, yeah, yeah, yeah,

836
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:18,080
yeah.

837
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:21,880
You know, to verify your feed and then

838
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,100
have a check Mark type system.

839
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,500
People love doing that.

840
00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:31,400
I'm just, I remember I was trying to

841
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680
say, how do we market this idea that

842
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,020
people actually do this?

843
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
But what if the index became the place

844
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,020
where you could check to see that a

845
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:40,780
feed was verified?

846
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:41,700
I had it just yesterday.

847
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,500
Someone emailed me, say, I'm listening to this,

848
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:46,360
you know, I'm subscribed to Alex Jones.

849
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,060
Um, can you check and see if this

850
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:51,040
is the right one?

851
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,980
And it wasn't.

852
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:54,340
So there's someone who added a bogus feed.

853
00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:57,420
It was from Spreaker, you know, a feed

854
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:01,000
hijack and I successfully merged it in with

855
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,840
the official feed.

856
00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:03,020
I was pretty proud of myself.

857
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:05,860
Um, and I was thinking, you know, wouldn't

858
00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:08,160
it be great if, if you had that

859
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,500
check Mark and you could always verify it,

860
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
uh, on podcast index and we could do

861
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,160
some auto verification through the hosts, maybe even

862
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,460
with an iTunes ID.

863
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,500
You know, we look, who else is going

864
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,260
to do it?

865
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:24,480
You know, we're, we're trusted enough as far

866
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,400
as you can throw us.

867
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:26,620
I mean, here we are, we're in our

868
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:28,840
sixth year, we're in our sixth year, you

869
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,280
know, we're not making any money off of

870
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:30,520
this.

871
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:31,340
It's just running.

872
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:32,460
It's just there.

873
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,720
We do this podcast.

874
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,260
Why?

875
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,200
I don't even know.

876
00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:36,700
I like, I don't even know anymore.

877
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:38,080
I like talking to you.

878
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:40,020
I mean, it's like, I like talking to

879
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:42,100
Dave, you know, give a chance to connect,

880
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,720
but we could be that place.

881
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920
You know, podcastindex.org could be a verified

882
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,560
place.

883
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,020
You could, you could expose an API, see

884
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:52,280
if it's verified, et cetera.

885
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,200
And then when people find something that's checkmarked

886
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,280
and it's not theirs, they freak out, but

887
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,620
they have an easy way to come into

888
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:58,900
us.

889
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,820
We look at the dashboard, the crap trap.

890
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,340
Oh, bam, you good pop up.

891
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:05,860
You know, it could be, we could provide

892
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:09,120
that service and that might clean up a

893
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,080
lot of different stuff.

894
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,640
I mean, let's not wait for someone else

895
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,440
to build a website.

896
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:14,240
We have the website, we have everything you

897
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,580
need.

898
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:16,500
Yeah.

899
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:16,660
Yeah.

900
00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:18,880
I think this, that actually kind of fits

901
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,380
with, with a similar to something I was

902
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:25,720
thinking, which was I feel like it's a

903
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,700
need to actually put a decent dashboard into

904
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,720
podcast index now.

905
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,380
And I know how to do it now

906
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:34,880
because I have a good, I finally have

907
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,580
a good PHP framework, Laravel that I'm, that

908
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:42,400
I'm, that I'm now just very familiar with.

909
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,900
And, um, I got multiple projects under my

910
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:46,160
belt.

911
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,180
So I think, I think you're right.

912
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:49,760
I think that's a good idea.

913
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Just cause I've been one, I've been trying

914
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
to figure out how to like do the

915
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240
beginning of this thing that we've been talking

916
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,260
about for the last few weeks.

917
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:59,180
And now you feel it, you feel it.

918
00:33:59,420 --> 00:33:59,820
Yeah.

919
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:01,420
I'm starting to see, it's starting to, to

920
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:04,300
sort of like solidify in my, in my

921
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:06,720
mind what the beginning of it looks like.

922
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,300
And I think it begins with just a

923
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,760
new dashboard that would allow people to come

924
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,520
and interact like what we've been talking about.

925
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,639
People who actually own the podcast, they can

926
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,920
go log in, have an account and do

927
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,659
the management of it themselves.

928
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:23,159
Wow.

929
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Wow.

930
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:25,360
That's hardcore.

931
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,780
You think so?

932
00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:28,280
I think it's great.

933
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,060
Manage, manage, manage your check Mark.

934
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,500
I don't think it's actually that hard.

935
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,820
I'm just saying having, having a check Mark,

936
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,139
you know, a verified flag, whatever it is,

937
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,159
people will go for that.

938
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:43,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:44,239
I think you're right.

940
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,980
And if the result is that we clean

941
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:48,860
up the index and subsequently everybody else can,

942
00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:52,520
can clean up their own directories through us,

943
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:54,420
that would be fantastic.

944
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:56,340
Yeah.

945
00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:58,400
And I, I think we can kind of,

946
00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:01,180
yeah, that's, this is the next step we

947
00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:01,400
need.

948
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,940
And then we'll, and then we'll figure out

949
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,000
how to sort of like disseminate that in

950
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,140
a decentralized way where, you know, where it

951
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:11,420
can be, you know, a tag or something

952
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:12,080
like that.

953
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,280
No, man, we just dumped the whole table

954
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,760
into a Tor file, a torrent, a torrent.

955
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:20,660
That's popular.

956
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,220
Yeah.

957
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:22,740
Torrent.

958
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,220
Just a thought.

959
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,500
But on your HLS thing real quick, you

960
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,560
know, I forgot to bring up, but it's

961
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,040
the first thing here in my notes is

962
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,540
finally there's HLS native support in Chrome.

963
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Oh really?

964
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:38,200
Yes.

965
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,360
So Chromium added native HLS support in the

966
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,300
video tag.

967
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,900
I'm assuming the audio tag too, because underneath

968
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,700
the hood in Chromium, audio and video tags

969
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,840
are both just clones of the media tag.

970
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,180
So they should both have support for this

971
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:58,420
now.

972
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,840
So the train is rolling.

973
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:01,360
Nothing stops this train.

974
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,140
Hmm.

975
00:36:02,540 --> 00:36:02,720
Yeah.

976
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:05,260
So, I mean, if that's, if we're going

977
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:08,180
to do HLS, this is good.

978
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,620
This would pressure web kit to support it

979
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,760
in the video in, in their native audio

980
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,500
video tags.

981
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,100
And they may, that might just make things

982
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:17,720
trickle down.

983
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,500
I think it's, yeah, I think things are

984
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,000
moving fondly on the HLS front.

985
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Well, the one thing we've learned is these

986
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,640
things take, well, we already knew this.

987
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:28,900
These take, things take a lot of time

988
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:29,780
forever.

989
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:31,640
And, and that's just what it is, but

990
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,880
we're in this for the long haul.

991
00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:34,500
We're doing it for humanity.

992
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:35,800
We're not doing it for us.

993
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,700
And for some reason, you and I like

994
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,080
each other enough to keep doing it.

995
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:42,080
So that's kind of good.

996
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:46,300
It's just that this show is just a

997
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:46,500
check.

998
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,980
It's just a plus a lot on the

999
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:48,260
calendar.

1000
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:48,720
That's right.

1001
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:50,260
It's just another thing I do.

1002
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,240
You know, I go to church, do the

1003
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,020
show with Dave, walk the dog.

1004
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:55,280
You know, it's just one of those things

1005
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:55,520
you do.

1006
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:56,680
Hey, let's bring in our guests.

1007
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,060
They've been waiting very patiently as we've been

1008
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:01,060
yammering about here, but we haven't heard from

1009
00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,120
them in a long time.

1010
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:03,920
Boardroom, please.

1011
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,060
Welcome the, from the new Podverse web alpha

1012
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:08,380
and Podverse legacy.

1013
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,180
Here are Mitch and Archie.

1014
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,340
Howdy.

1015
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,140
Hey, what's up guys?

1016
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:15,740
There it is.

1017
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,420
It was Archie first, then Mitch.

1018
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:18,440
Hey guys, how are you doing?

1019
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,180
Happy new year.

1020
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:20,380
Happy new year.

1021
00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:22,040
Doing good.

1022
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Happy new year.

1023
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,700
So I told you, Mitch, you have a

1024
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,120
career, uh, as a Gen Y podcast lady.

1025
00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:36,140
Less vocal fry and upspeak though.

1026
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:36,900
Well, that's true.

1027
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Do you have, there's all of a sudden,

1028
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,240
there's some extra audio artifacts that are coming

1029
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:41,780
down the line.

1030
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,200
You have a fan.

1031
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,380
It could be that the, uh, radiant heat

1032
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:47,960
in my building has just turned on.

1033
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,400
So this is going to be a rough

1034
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,220
experience.

1035
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:53,140
He's got steam gauges.

1036
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:56,160
Just kind of like alpha, you know, this

1037
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,420
is an aesthetic choice.

1038
00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,100
It's a, a rough product right now.

1039
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,220
I think it would probably help to hear,

1040
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:07,140
uh, to hear Gen Y ladies advice on

1041
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:07,640
something.

1042
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:10,420
Oh, uh, sorry.

1043
00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:11,060
I missed the cue.

1044
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,300
Just getting into the habit of closing things

1045
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,020
like closing the door on things.

1046
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:18,140
So we're not leaking our energy thought awareness

1047
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:21,540
and thought process on things into things that

1048
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:23,240
like, we don't need to be in them.

1049
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,280
If that makes any sense.

1050
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Wow.

1051
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:27,360
Did you get that?

1052
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:28,260
Wow.

1053
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,740
Yeah.

1054
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,660
She's great.

1055
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:40,040
Uh, anyway, let's get back to our guests

1056
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,680
because, um, Mitch has been started kind of

1057
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,560
ramping up posting on podcast index dot social

1058
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:50,780
in the last couple of months, uh, after

1059
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:54,520
some absence, it seems, uh, maybe just bring

1060
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,360
us up to speed, Mitch, what's been going

1061
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,840
on with you and Archie and what's been

1062
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,680
happening in the background and, uh, and, uh,

1063
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,980
and tell us about the web alpha and

1064
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:05,820
just, just bring us up to speed, man.

1065
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,560
It's been a long time since we spoke.

1066
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:09,500
Sure.

1067
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,500
Well, um, 2024, I was pretty burnt out

1068
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:18,780
on, uh, software development, uh, after, you know,

1069
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,860
nine years of doing open source software.

1070
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,300
Uh, I just didn't, uh, have it mentally

1071
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,660
to be able to focus and, uh, take

1072
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:29,000
progress to the next level.

1073
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,700
Um, I also knew that a big rewrite

1074
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,860
was needed to take it to where I

1075
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:37,500
wanted to be.

1076
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,860
And I feel like 2024 was just like

1077
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,460
a lot of processing and resetting, uh, to

1078
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:47,140
be able to be up for the task.

1079
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:51,020
Uh, 2025, uh, progress has been very good.

1080
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,640
Uh, we have basically like 90% of

1081
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,780
the infrastructure complete for the next generation Podverse.

1082
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:01,440
So a lot of the work that's done

1083
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,720
isn't necessarily visible with, uh, what's on the

1084
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,420
website right now, but it's there.

1085
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:10,240
And, um, it think the pieces are falling

1086
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,080
together quickly.

1087
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,880
Uh, so yeah, we have the website currently

1088
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,700
at alpha.podverse.fm, uh, which is a

1089
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,080
live demo for people to get a preview

1090
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080
of what is coming soon.

1091
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,860
So if I understand correctly, you are developing

1092
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:32,020
the new Podverse app by creating the whole

1093
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:36,540
infrastructure first and exposing that on the web.

1094
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Yes.

1095
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Uh, so Podverse one, uh, the legacy version

1096
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,760
that started, well, technically it started in like

1097
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,500
2015, but, uh, that new infrastructure started in

1098
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,120
2019 before Podcasting 2.0 existed.

1099
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:55,880
So I had a lot of assumptions built

1100
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,260
into that, what people know of as Podverse

1101
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:02,980
today that had no concept of Podcasting 2

1102
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:06,220
.0, uh, no concept of music ever being

1103
00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:07,740
a part of it, for example.

1104
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,600
Um, and so developing with it was always

1105
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,360
kind of fighting against all these root assumptions

1106
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,860
I made about what a podcast is and

1107
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:20,060
what Podverse would do.

1108
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,060
Now, this new version is, uh, from the

1109
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,480
ground up built to align with the Podcasting

1110
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,440
2.0 namespaces.

1111
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,620
Um, and there's all kinds of technical reasons

1112
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:35,360
why it's a better way to do it.

1113
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,720
And it will allow us to easily integrate

1114
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,160
these features going forward.

1115
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,940
Eric, by the way, Mitch, Eric PP says,

1116
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:46,240
it sounds like you're in the shower.

1117
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:46,680
He is.

1118
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,260
I think he is taking a pod shower.

1119
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,260
I cannot stop the radiators that are controlled

1120
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:54,540
by my landlord.

1121
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,380
So he has some, uh, uh, leaf blowers

1122
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:00,260
outside of his house.

1123
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:02,100
So it's going to be a rough ride.

1124
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,460
No, instead of listening to a podcast in

1125
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:06,340
the shower, do a podcast in the shower.

1126
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:07,120
That's the best.

1127
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,340
That's the better alternative.

1128
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:10,020
But you know, I just wanted to tell

1129
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:11,520
you, Mitch, just, and I just brought it

1130
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,700
up on op3.dev. If you look at

1131
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,360
the apps that are used for the no

1132
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,740
agenda show, the 35.35% is Apple

1133
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:21,180
podcast.

1134
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,420
That's the top number two Podverse 14.67.

1135
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,460
So you're number two on my list, man.

1136
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:31,500
That's something.

1137
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,640
I mean, that's, I think that's awesome.

1138
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,280
Yeah, that is a, and I moved to

1139
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,860
a different room.

1140
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:37,640
Hopefully it's.

1141
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:38,040
Oh yeah.

1142
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,240
That made all the difference.

1143
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:40,320
Okay.

1144
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Good.

1145
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:44,920
Um, yeah, the, uh, it, that, that's been

1146
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,540
one of the most encouraging things is to

1147
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:49,020
see how popular Podverse is with the no

1148
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:49,940
agenda audience.

1149
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,620
Um, and like we aren't necessarily the most

1150
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:57,520
popular podcast app, but we're very popular with

1151
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,740
certain audiences and we get a lot of

1152
00:42:59,740 --> 00:43:02,180
appreciation from those audiences.

1153
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,380
And so it helps us know that we're

1154
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:05,420
on the right track.

1155
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,600
What do you, why do you think, why

1156
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,580
do you think that is?

1157
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,460
What, what, what do you think it is

1158
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:10,260
that does that?

1159
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,960
I think it's mostly, uh, you recommending a

1160
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,900
podcast apps.

1161
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:20,100
And, uh, for whatever reason, a lot of

1162
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,000
people are choosing Podverse.

1163
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,240
They're going, you know, through a new podcast

1164
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,480
apps.com.

1165
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:28,940
Um, and it's mostly word of mouth.

1166
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:31,500
It seems to be, um, that this is

1167
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,740
a direction we want to lean into, uh,

1168
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:36,140
with marketing going forward.

1169
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,220
I mean, we want to reach everyone, but

1170
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:41,920
we also are like happy to deliver the

1171
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,280
best experience possible for like specific shows and

1172
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,480
their audiences, uh, to, you know, to like

1173
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,940
podcasting, 2.0 features may not have, uh,

1174
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,960
you know, it might be a small number

1175
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,700
of feeds today that use these features, but

1176
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,220
for those shows, we want to deliver the

1177
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:03,380
best experience possible to be the best app

1178
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:04,420
for that purpose.

1179
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:06,340
You know, I think that's a really good

1180
00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:06,820
idea.

1181
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:09,620
Uh, and I've always found it curious that

1182
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:13,740
podcast apps don't work more or at all

1183
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,240
with, with podcasts, podcasters, you know, we've always

1184
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,940
had this kind of, um, you know, like,

1185
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:25,700
well, it has to be fair for everyone.

1186
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,180
It has to be equal for everybody.

1187
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:28,880
And I, I just don't, you know, I've,

1188
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,020
I've given my Rachel Maddow example in the

1189
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:31,380
past.

1190
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:33,280
It's like, why?

1191
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,860
You know, uh, it's like fountain.

1192
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:38,480
Fountain has a very specific audience and I

1193
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,160
think they're very successful for that audience.

1194
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:42,840
So, yeah.

1195
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:45,100
And that's pretty much the philosophy we're going

1196
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,800
with, with a pod verse is, uh, we're

1197
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,620
designed first for these, you know, a future

1198
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:53,900
forward podcasting 2.0 feeds.

1199
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:58,520
We will have support for legacy feeds, but

1200
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,280
they're not our priority to the same degree

1201
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,260
as the podcasting 2.0 feeds.

1202
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,460
Are like, for example, alternate enclosure is at

1203
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:09,180
the root of our architecture.

1204
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:11,860
We don't even have a traditional enclosure.

1205
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:14,260
We like convert it into an alternate enclosure.

1206
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:18,140
Like we use these design patterns that are

1207
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:19,600
2.0 focus.

1208
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Oh, okay.

1209
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:21,900
Interesting.

1210
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:22,320
Yeah.

1211
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:23,440
I like that.

1212
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:27,640
What, how are you, this, this is interesting

1213
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,460
from a person, from the perspective I think

1214
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:32,760
of many developers, not just podcast app developers,

1215
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,020
but anybody who has a forward facing a

1216
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:40,880
web service or application that when you come

1217
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,700
to the point of deciding that you're going

1218
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:47,300
to do a rewrite, it's always the first

1219
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,780
question is in, in what order do we

1220
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:50,520
do things in?

1221
00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:52,680
Like you have a, you have the quote

1222
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,780
unquote stack that represents the full application from

1223
00:45:57,780 --> 00:45:59,900
the, from the user, what the user sees

1224
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,320
all the way through and through to the

1225
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,040
data storage at the, at the very end

1226
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,660
of the chain.

1227
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:06,960
How do you, where do you choose what

1228
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,340
pieces to push in and out and change

1229
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:12,300
out and swap out in the stack first

1230
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:13,700
and what order to do them in?

1231
00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:15,400
Like where did, how did you figure that

1232
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:15,600
out?

1233
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,320
Well, it seemed the logical starting point for

1234
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,740
me was to do a one to one

1235
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:24,680
matching with the 2.0 spec.

1236
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,360
So it was the data schema that came

1237
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,040
before everything else and parsing.

1238
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:33,920
And then from there making the parsing as

1239
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,160
efficient as possible.

1240
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:40,160
But so, yeah, I mean, I don't know

1241
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,800
how to explain it without getting too technical,

1242
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,080
but like our data schema is pretty much

1243
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,040
a one to one match with these join

1244
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,820
tables with all the different XML fields that

1245
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:54,500
are, you know, a part of RS, RSS

1246
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:54,940
feeds.

1247
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,460
At some point.

1248
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:58,220
Are you, so you, you, you seem to

1249
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:00,300
be running two separate systems right now.

1250
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,460
The new one and the old one.

1251
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Is that accurate?

1252
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:04,060
Yes.

1253
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:05,260
Yes.

1254
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,540
So I decided to go with a totally

1255
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:10,500
green field environment.

1256
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:13,120
There will be a great migration.

1257
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,020
There will be a migration someday, which I

1258
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:19,300
think will be feasible.

1259
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:22,180
I love migrations.

1260
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:27,600
But, you know, in order to, to work

1261
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,780
with the legacy one, it was just so

1262
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:33,760
there was just so many problems with it,

1263
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,780
just like I said, those rude assumptions that

1264
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:40,300
I'm constantly battling and poor coding patterns and

1265
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:41,680
I'm now a better coder now.

1266
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:45,980
So it was just like, all right, just

1267
00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:48,060
do the green field and we'll figure it

1268
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:50,180
out eventually how to migrate it.

1269
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,920
So for now we're trying to make the

1270
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,700
website as good of a standalone product as

1271
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:57,220
possible.

1272
00:47:57,660 --> 00:48:00,740
I mean, it's plausible that somebody could deploy

1273
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:05,080
this software for a website before we even

1274
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,860
have the mobile app done and that it

1275
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:11,420
could be like a high quality website on

1276
00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:11,780
its own.

1277
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:13,760
So this is all still open source, Mitch.

1278
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:15,680
Oh yeah.

1279
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,020
All open source.

1280
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:17,980
I love it, man.

1281
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:18,380
Of course.

1282
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,120
You're really, really doing a lot.

1283
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:21,740
I wouldn't be motivated without it.

1284
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:24,260
So this is, I've always been that way.

1285
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:25,960
And I should say right off the bat,

1286
00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:28,160
the Godcaster app use a lot of your

1287
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,580
framework.

1288
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:30,280
I believe Dave might know more.

1289
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,720
The, the React native part of the mobile

1290
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:35,940
app.

1291
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:36,100
Yeah.

1292
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:38,560
I think it initially got things up and

1293
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,920
running, but I think he switched a lot

1294
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,660
of that code out now.

1295
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:42,760
I don't think there's anything that's still left

1296
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,160
in there, but yeah, it was a, it

1297
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,340
was a, it was a helpful thing to

1298
00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:47,020
bootstrap it.

1299
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,300
Yeah, it was for sure.

1300
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:49,540
So Archie.

1301
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Yeah.

1302
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,560
I was going to say, this is a

1303
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,640
good point for Archie because he is helping

1304
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,400
with the operations and deployment side a lot.

1305
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,020
And he's taking us in a direction that'll

1306
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:03,460
allow like to make self-hosting simple for

1307
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:04,040
other people.

1308
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:05,540
Oh, okay.

1309
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,740
Take it away, Archie.

1310
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,080
So I've been doing a bunch of DevOps

1311
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,200
stuff for the past several years for Podverse.

1312
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,660
Lately I got into Kubernetes K8s and I

1313
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:19,780
decided to move the entire infrastructure over to

1314
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:23,000
that, which means with only a couple of

1315
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,660
files or repo, you could deploy your own

1316
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:27,040
Podverse on your own systems.

1317
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,400
I've also been including the idea too much

1318
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,240
about doing the podcast, podcaster specific apps so

1319
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,380
that not everybody will get to add a

1320
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:39,640
podcast to these apps.

1321
00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:41,760
So you could have your feed or your

1322
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,520
app just with your stuff in it and

1323
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,160
nothing else.

1324
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,140
There'd have to be some white label stuff

1325
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:50,080
done to make it prettier for everybody.

1326
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:51,940
But at the end of the day you

1327
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:54,140
could have your Rachel Maddow app just for

1328
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:56,400
her and she could have the whole infrastructure

1329
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,540
just connected for that one person or podcaster.

1330
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,220
And it's easy enough that I've been able

1331
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:05,920
to rebuild the whole thing in about 10

1332
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,220
minutes.

1333
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,380
Do you and Alex Gates live in the

1334
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:11,040
same house?

1335
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:12,560
No.

1336
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:16,860
Do you notice that Dave, how Archie's cadence

1337
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:18,220
is very similar to Alex?

1338
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:19,420
That is.

1339
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:19,640
Yeah.

1340
00:50:19,660 --> 00:50:21,320
I think, I think these are, I think

1341
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,020
they're deeply technical people and I think they're

1342
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:25,000
deep tech dudes.

1343
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,300
Yeah.

1344
00:50:25,420 --> 00:50:26,480
Very deep tech dudes.

1345
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:26,960
Yeah.

1346
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:28,620
Explain.

1347
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,360
I don't understand.

1348
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,500
I don't fully understand what you mean, Archie.

1349
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:34,560
What, when you say that you, that there's

1350
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,720
personal, a personalized sort of deployment for a,

1351
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:41,120
for a particular person, what do you, can

1352
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,800
you explain that?

1353
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,740
So right now Alpha has the idea of

1354
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:45,320
ad feed.

1355
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,080
And so if it doesn't exist, we don't,

1356
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:50,480
we're not ingesting the entire index.

1357
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,480
We're only ingesting parts that people actually want

1358
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:53,980
to listen to.

1359
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,980
And if no one's listening to it or

1360
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:57,660
subscribe to it, we'll get rid of it

1361
00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:00,060
and we'll use the podcast index as our

1362
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:01,860
backup to find things later if someone wants

1363
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:02,260
it again.

1364
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,160
So the fee, when you start out, it's

1365
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,020
an empty blank slate.

1366
00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:08,020
And as you get more users and more

1367
00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:11,220
people or admins, et cetera, it will get

1368
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:13,740
bigger and have only the things that actually

1369
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:16,120
matter to the listeners of that podcast app

1370
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,500
or the admin of the podcast app.

1371
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:19,420
Web app.

1372
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:21,180
Oh, I see what you mean.

1373
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:22,720
So if I was going to deploy my

1374
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,500
own Podverse, then it would be a, it

1375
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,000
would have a completely like a different complexion

1376
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,340
as far as content goes than, than the

1377
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:32,440
main Podverse.fm. Yes.

1378
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:33,580
Okay.

1379
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:33,980
Yeah.

1380
00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:34,620
I got you.

1381
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:35,280
So that way.

1382
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:35,960
Yeah.

1383
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,280
Yeah.

1384
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:36,520
Yeah.

1385
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:38,660
That way we don't have to have 175

1386
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:42,120
million podcasts in our podcast app.

1387
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,020
Just in case someone wants something from 10

1388
00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:46,160
years ago, we only need to have things

1389
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,180
that people need now.

1390
00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:49,700
And we could save a lot on storage

1391
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:50,160
costs.

1392
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:51,780
Yeah.

1393
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,900
And I think, um, I mean, this is

1394
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:55,820
similar to what, I think this is similar

1395
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:57,240
to what we did with Godcaster.

1396
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,120
We did the same thing.

1397
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,420
It's you, you have a, you know, we

1398
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:01,940
don't ingest the entire indexes.

1399
00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:05,960
It's only when somebody decides to add, you

1400
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,960
know, uh, a show that, that it actually

1401
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,500
gets into the content mix.

1402
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:15,560
And, but I was thinking like, uh, I

1403
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:16,900
was thinking about this.

1404
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,440
If y'all, y'all have the, the

1405
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,120
thing that has impressed me the most about

1406
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,160
what you guys are doing with the next

1407
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,180
generation Podverse is the care that you're taking

1408
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:28,900
with the database schema.

1409
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,460
And I'm wondering if podcast index should just

1410
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:38,880
adopt your schema, you know, because we're, I'm,

1411
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:43,300
I'm actively thinking about, uh, the new structure

1412
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:44,000
of things.

1413
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,700
And, you know, you've, you've been helping with,

1414
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:47,740
uh, with, with the code as well, as

1415
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:48,580
well as Eric PP.

1416
00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:52,580
Um, and so I wonder if you, you

1417
00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:54,840
know, if you already have, I don't, I'm

1418
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,160
not a Postgres guy, but I'm wondering if

1419
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,620
you already have the schema that you think

1420
00:52:59,620 --> 00:53:01,260
that y'all think is great.

1421
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,380
I mean, why, why would we not just

1422
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:05,240
adopt that instead of trying to recreate the

1423
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:06,100
wheel all over again?

1424
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:09,770
Well, we're happy to give you a tour

1425
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:10,150
of it.

1426
00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:13,090
Um, the, like I said, it's, it's, it

1427
00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:14,790
attempts to be a one-to-one match

1428
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:15,710
with RSS.

1429
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:18,190
Uh, if you can picture that just like

1430
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:19,170
with join tables.

1431
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:21,990
So there's like, uh, you've got a channel,

1432
00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:24,990
but then you also have a channel pod

1433
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:28,130
role, and then you have channel pod role,

1434
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:29,010
remote item.

1435
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:33,550
And those are three separate tables and it's

1436
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:36,670
just supposed to align with the RSS spec

1437
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:39,850
because that is at the core, what pod

1438
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:41,770
versus RSS app.

1439
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:44,850
You also do, um, the time split.

1440
00:53:46,350 --> 00:53:46,950
Yep.

1441
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:47,610
Yes.

1442
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:48,610
We have remote items.

1443
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:49,030
Perfect.

1444
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:50,030
Yes.

1445
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:52,110
We have all of the data being parsed

1446
00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:52,610
and saved.

1447
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:53,590
That is all finished.

1448
00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:55,850
It's just a matter of bringing the features

1449
00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:56,930
into the apps now.

1450
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:58,310
Now you did something real.

1451
00:53:58,350 --> 00:53:59,890
It's really amazing to do this.

1452
00:54:00,790 --> 00:54:03,130
I mean, not many podcast app developers would

1453
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:05,870
go this route and say, okay, we're just

1454
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:06,970
going to redo it all.

1455
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:09,320
Yeah.

1456
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,200
Well, it's been a big undertaking.

1457
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:15,320
Um, but I'm living off some savings at

1458
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:15,740
the moment.

1459
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:18,500
So I'm dedicating myself full-time to this.

1460
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:19,080
Wow.

1461
00:54:19,180 --> 00:54:20,660
Um, and it's exciting.

1462
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:23,780
I, it's hard to explain to normal people

1463
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:27,060
why this is so exciting, but I really

1464
00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:30,160
love working with this stuff and the, the

1465
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,260
vision of podcasting 2.0 can do so

1466
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:33,740
much.

1467
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,260
And, you know, I don't want to be

1468
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:39,840
bogged down by the talk of, Oh, this

1469
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,940
app doesn't support it.

1470
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,840
So we can't do this.

1471
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,760
It can't do that.

1472
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:45,600
Like to me, pod versus just the way

1473
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,440
to move forward.

1474
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,040
Uh, you know, the specs are sound in

1475
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,780
the, you know, we know it can work,

1476
00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:52,940
so let's just do it.

1477
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:56,280
And the rest of the industry can catch

1478
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,280
up if they want.

1479
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,120
So it'll be a reference app for all

1480
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,420
things.

1481
00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:02,800
Podcasting 2.0. Yes.

1482
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,340
Wow.

1483
00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:05,320
That's very cool.

1484
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,280
Eric PP's asking some stuff in the, in

1485
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,200
the boardroom that I'm, that I'm curious about

1486
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:10,700
as well.

1487
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:16,200
Cause, um, the way you described it, the

1488
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,780
way you described your database layout is that

1489
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:22,140
if I understand you is that you have

1490
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:29,500
basically every, every 2.0 tag is a

1491
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,960
two additional tables, the table for the tag

1492
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,100
content itself, and then a pivot table to

1493
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:35,940
get to it.

1494
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,280
Is that right?

1495
00:55:40,270 --> 00:55:42,590
Um, I think so.

1496
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:46,010
I don't, I'm not really fluent at speaking

1497
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:51,050
about databases, but I mean, like I said

1498
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:53,070
with the example, like in this spec, we

1499
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:54,890
have a channel element and then we have

1500
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:56,970
channel and we have a pod role that

1501
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:58,390
is nested within a channel.

1502
00:55:58,850 --> 00:56:01,270
And then we have remote item, which is

1503
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:04,090
nested within pod role.

1504
00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:06,990
And so from our spec, that would be

1505
00:56:06,990 --> 00:56:09,270
three tables joined together.

1506
00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:10,230
Okay.

1507
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:10,830
Maybe I misunderstood.

1508
00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:13,510
So, so like for, in the, for instance,

1509
00:56:13,590 --> 00:56:16,890
um, a person tag in an item, uh,

1510
00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:19,930
in an episode, you would have, um, would

1511
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:22,350
you have the episode, I'm assuming you have

1512
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:24,850
an episodes table and then you would have

1513
00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:27,790
a person's table and then would you have

1514
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:30,670
an episodes to person's linkage table?

1515
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Um, yes.

1516
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,040
It depends.

1517
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:39,020
I forget what the person tag is.

1518
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:42,780
Uh, those aren't grouped under one tag, right?

1519
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,740
Those are the funding tag.

1520
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,420
Use that as an example, like a funding

1521
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:47,940
tag.

1522
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:50,740
If an item can have like five funding

1523
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:53,460
tags, then the there'd be five rows in

1524
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:57,480
the item funding table that link to that

1525
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:57,940
item.

1526
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,360
Okay.

1527
00:56:59,740 --> 00:57:02,520
Because that's the RSS spec, but you don't

1528
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,920
have like a third intermediary table that takes

1529
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,740
care of like linkage between the two.

1530
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:09,540
There's just a reference in the funding table

1531
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:12,520
that links back directly to the episodes table.

1532
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:13,900
I think so.

1533
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,240
Yes.

1534
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:15,600
Okay.

1535
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:19,080
Can I just ask before Oystein Berger has

1536
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,400
a conniption, will you be supporting the live

1537
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800
time splits live lit?

1538
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:30,000
I would like to, I haven't seen the

1539
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,700
spec for it yet, but it's absolutely like,

1540
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,720
uh, if there is a adopted standard for

1541
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,880
it, we absolutely would like to do that.

1542
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:38,720
Okay.

1543
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,120
This is really cool.

1544
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:41,760
I, I can tell you right now that

1545
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,420
the whole idea of the white label, I

1546
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:48,080
will definitely make a, uh, a no agenda,

1547
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:50,160
uh, pod verse app.

1548
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,400
Hmm.

1549
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:53,300
That's just cool.

1550
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,100
Kidding me.

1551
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:55,900
That's fantastic.

1552
00:57:56,060 --> 00:57:57,180
I love the whole idea.

1553
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,940
Archie, have you seen, uh, what have you

1554
00:58:01,940 --> 00:58:05,120
seen the Kubernetes switch do as far as

1555
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,320
like cost goes to y'all's system?

1556
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,820
So I haven't done that for on actual

1557
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:13,400
VPS.

1558
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,080
I've done that in my local, it's on

1559
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,260
three, uh, machines with eight gigs and two

1560
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:20,840
CPUs, uh, VPS.

1561
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:23,520
So it's still going up and down.

1562
00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:24,680
It's kind of just through it.

1563
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,140
I started out doing some tests.

1564
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:28,980
I'm going to actually throw another project into

1565
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:32,580
the boardroom that I initially started out based

1566
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:33,320
off of something else.

1567
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,820
Adam said, um, and I put that into

1568
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:41,020
my Kubernetes cluster and it doesn't seem to

1569
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:42,520
be too bad, but it's going to be

1570
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,060
probably just for our infrastructure, not the database,

1571
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:48,300
$36 a month, maybe 50.

1572
00:58:49,020 --> 00:58:50,680
Um, just the way it seems.

1573
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:52,520
And then the database is as big as

1574
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,340
it needs because storage is the big problem.

1575
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,660
Um, and the thing I just posted just

1576
00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:58,600
to take that side note, Adam, this was

1577
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,860
for you specifically a flask app that checks

1578
00:59:01,860 --> 00:59:05,460
the end points of a specific RSS feed

1579
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:09,060
page or MPEG, JPEG, MP3, et cetera.

1580
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:11,500
Uh, so it just grabs them, checks them

1581
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:13,340
and gets and make sure that they all

1582
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:14,480
have the same hash.

1583
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,780
Vibe coders unite.

1584
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:20,760
Thank you.

1585
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:21,600
That's awesome.

1586
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,740
Thank you very much.

1587
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,800
My flask app.

1588
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:26,000
Basic off baby.

1589
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,060
It rocks.

1590
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,360
Yeah.

1591
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,400
Because that's the one thing that I've been,

1592
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,360
uh, concerned about, you know, we, I've been,

1593
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:37,500
uh, talking to you forever about, uh, looking

1594
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:38,820
at our infrastructure and that kind of thing.

1595
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,900
And I'm, I'm, I'm never, I'm never able

1596
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,620
to, to put it together to get, to

1597
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:44,700
get you in there to look at things.

1598
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,440
But that is one thing that I've been

1599
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,800
wondering about is how to, how to containerize

1600
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,020
things, uh, in a way that, that cause

1601
00:59:55,020 --> 00:59:57,400
I'm so caught, I'm so cost conscious.

1602
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,540
I mean, our, our overhead, you know, our

1603
00:59:59,540 --> 01:00:01,980
expenses every month are, are not insignificant.

1604
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:05,200
And so, you know, we have, you know,

1605
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:08,080
about probably if you add it all up,

1606
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,380
probably 15 grand worth of expenses a year

1607
01:00:10,380 --> 01:00:11,160
on the index.

1608
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,160
And, you know, so like making, I'm so

1609
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,000
worried about just accidentally blowing, you know, inflating

1610
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,140
our cost too much.

1611
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,740
And because that, that would be the worst

1612
01:00:24,740 --> 01:00:26,420
possible thing is all of a sudden we

1613
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:29,060
have, we go from, you know, a thousand

1614
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:32,880
dollars a month of, of fees to 1700.

1615
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:34,820
It's like, well, we can't do that.

1616
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:35,220
You know?

1617
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:36,880
I don't know.

1618
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,840
One of the biggest things for us when

1619
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,460
we had, uh, some cost realignments was switching

1620
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:45,900
our file system off of ext4 to a

1621
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,000
copy on right file system like CFS with

1622
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,840
on the fly compression that significantly saved us

1623
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,260
money because we weren't writing, uh, as much

1624
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:56,180
data to the disc.

1625
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,300
And then it was reading faster because it

1626
01:00:58,300 --> 01:00:59,320
was reading compressed data.

1627
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,600
That's on the database server.

1628
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:02,260
Yeah.

1629
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Really interesting.

1630
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,040
So our database server was getting to like

1631
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,540
700, 800 gigs for Postgres.

1632
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,800
Um, I was able to get it down

1633
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,520
to about, I think we're up to 250

1634
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,340
now with a mirrored pair of, uh, discs.

1635
01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:17,860
Yikes.

1636
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:18,860
800 gigs.

1637
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,300
Woo.

1638
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:20,940
That's a lot.

1639
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:22,640
That's like a whole blockchain, baby.

1640
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,400
Yeah, that's a man.

1641
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:25,880
That's big.

1642
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:28,000
I don't think we're anywhere near that.

1643
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,120
I think we're like, I want to say

1644
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,840
they were like two 50 maybe on our

1645
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:33,800
date, on our database.

1646
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,460
Well, that's a problem we're trying to solve

1647
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:39,780
with the new setup because, uh, the legacy

1648
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:42,660
version is a full clone of the directory

1649
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:44,680
of the podcast index directory.

1650
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,180
This one, I mean, I expect us to

1651
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:49,620
cut our number of feeds by like 95

1652
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:51,940
% in this new version.

1653
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,420
Um, and not to mention probably a lot

1654
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:57,860
of schema problems I had with the first

1655
01:01:57,860 --> 01:01:59,820
version that should be cleaner now.

1656
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:04,140
So are you, are you taking your, uh,

1657
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:06,960
if I'm a B, I've been like a

1658
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,120
B back and forth between, uh, normal pod

1659
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,160
verse and alpha pod verse.

1660
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,720
And you know, as far as UI goes,

1661
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,500
they look almost identical.

1662
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:22,000
And so did you just take your existing

1663
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,600
UI for now and just stick it on

1664
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,500
top of the new backend and then you're

1665
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:27,880
going to do something with that later?

1666
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,660
No, the design will be very similar.

1667
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,520
Uh, this is an entirely new web app.

1668
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,820
Um, and there, the most of the changes

1669
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:41,140
are, are ones that people wouldn't see, uh,

1670
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,100
just from the, uh, the surface.

1671
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:47,040
Uh, for example, all the components of the

1672
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,020
website are now differentiated by medium type.

1673
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:54,740
So we have podcasts episodes, we have albums,

1674
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,880
we have tracks, we have artists, uh, we

1675
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,800
have live streams in the legacy version.

1676
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,980
I tended to use like one component and

1677
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:08,000
then like add a bunch of conditional statements

1678
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,320
to have it do different behaviors.

1679
01:03:11,020 --> 01:03:14,160
And that's handy in some ways, but it

1680
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,140
is restrictive and also becomes a headache when

1681
01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:19,780
you want to make, you know, an artist

1682
01:03:19,780 --> 01:03:22,140
or an album look different than a podcast

1683
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:24,540
and you know, to the user.

1684
01:03:25,660 --> 01:03:28,200
So, uh, the front end is totally rewritten

1685
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,880
from scratch and it's way more modular so

1686
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,760
that we will be able to optimize the

1687
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,100
different music podcast, video, live stream experiences.

1688
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:40,520
Interesting.

1689
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,000
Okay.

1690
01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:42,020
Good.

1691
01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:45,460
It definitely, the alpha version definitely feels quicker.

1692
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:49,220
Um, you know, it feels like it feels

1693
01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:53,140
like things, uh, parts of the site are

1694
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:55,540
sort of coming, coming up fat in a

1695
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:56,700
more responsive way.

1696
01:03:58,140 --> 01:03:59,060
Yeah, it should.

1697
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,380
There are problems with the legacy site today

1698
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:04,780
that there are queries that just hang forever.

1699
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:10,000
Unfortunately, um, that won't be a problem going

1700
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:10,640
forward.

1701
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,880
I don't expect that we have that all

1702
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,180
solved with proper indexing with our new schema.

1703
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:22,720
The one, um, the one drawback to having

1704
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,100
separate tables per sort of like a item

1705
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:31,580
type is you tend to have more locking,

1706
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,580
you know, database locking as things cause, cause

1707
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:38,920
that updating or deleting content in one table

1708
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,000
since you have just tons of linkage across

1709
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,460
tables tends to have this kind of logarithmic

1710
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:45,300
ripple effect.

1711
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,180
Have you seen any of those kinds of

1712
01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:47,520
issues?

1713
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,220
Uh, we do.

1714
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,100
I have been mindful to try to avoid

1715
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:52,960
those situations.

1716
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:57,180
Uh, we have transactions within the parser to

1717
01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:58,760
try to group things together.

1718
01:04:59,140 --> 01:05:03,880
Uh, we also use, uh, active MQ, uh,

1719
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:07,340
which is we have D duplication to make

1720
01:05:07,340 --> 01:05:10,280
sure that the same feed cannot be getting

1721
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,860
parsed at the same time, which, uh, and,

1722
01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:16,600
and aside from that, there's aside from what

1723
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,280
goes to the parser, there shouldn't be any

1724
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,780
rights to these, you know, RSS tables.

1725
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,040
Uh, there's no way for the users to

1726
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,100
directly change these tables with their, their actions.

1727
01:05:30,860 --> 01:05:35,200
Uh, so the combination of a D duplicated,

1728
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,980
make sure there's only one parser per feed

1729
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:41,960
running and there's no outside changes possible.

1730
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,580
We're hoping that that will avoid those sorts

1731
01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:46,160
of collisions.

1732
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,560
Can I talk, uh, money for a second?

1733
01:05:52,510 --> 01:05:53,350
Of course.

1734
01:05:54,730 --> 01:05:59,790
So it's very hard to have, uh, a

1735
01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:03,350
podcast app and actually make any kind of

1736
01:06:03,350 --> 01:06:05,170
financial return for it.

1737
01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:07,470
How's that been working in the past?

1738
01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:08,990
Are you going to keep that the same?

1739
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:11,590
Uh, what are your ideas moving forward?

1740
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:15,950
I think our ideas will be similar.

1741
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:18,310
Our goal is to deliver a much better

1742
01:06:18,310 --> 01:06:21,170
optimized product to just be a top of

1743
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:23,610
the line, elite listening experience.

1744
01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:27,950
Um, we do make revenue, which is encouraging.

1745
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:33,110
Um, it's almost covers our annual expenses.

1746
01:06:34,550 --> 01:06:37,570
Um, I don't know how specific I should

1747
01:06:37,570 --> 01:06:39,370
be with numbers here, but we have like,

1748
01:06:39,550 --> 01:06:42,650
we have almost a thousand paying members.

1749
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:43,270
Wow.

1750
01:06:43,390 --> 01:06:44,050
That's cool.

1751
01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:48,210
For pod verse, which, which is great.

1752
01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:51,290
And it's far from a full-time job

1753
01:06:51,290 --> 01:06:53,510
for us, which is the ultimate goal here.

1754
01:06:54,270 --> 01:06:58,330
Uh, that would be nice, but, but yeah,

1755
01:06:58,330 --> 01:07:00,970
we don't have like a novel, uh, payment

1756
01:07:00,970 --> 01:07:02,570
system going forward.

1757
01:07:02,570 --> 01:07:04,570
It's just try to make a much better

1758
01:07:04,570 --> 01:07:07,950
product and then we'll increase our marketing around

1759
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:08,170
that.

1760
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:12,630
I've always, um, I've had hesitation with marketing

1761
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,710
the legacy product cause I'm so aware of

1762
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:15,850
all the problems with it.

1763
01:07:16,410 --> 01:07:19,430
So now that this new version should have

1764
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:21,470
all of that fixed, uh, like one of

1765
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:23,550
them, namely being that the Android mobile app

1766
01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:27,510
experience is noticeably like less high quality.

1767
01:07:27,630 --> 01:07:30,450
There's more like clunkiness to our Android app

1768
01:07:30,450 --> 01:07:32,270
compared to our iOS app.

1769
01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:34,550
Um, so we're going to make sure that's

1770
01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:35,450
fixed going forward.

1771
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:37,370
So will there be a premium version with

1772
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:38,270
premium features?

1773
01:07:38,330 --> 01:07:40,810
Just asking people to support you on a

1774
01:07:40,810 --> 01:07:42,290
monthly basis, regardless.

1775
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:47,310
The premium, no, they'll get, um, some extra

1776
01:07:47,310 --> 01:07:48,490
features with premium.

1777
01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:52,250
I think one of the main features people

1778
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:57,330
end up paying for is notifications because, I

1779
01:07:57,330 --> 01:07:59,670
mean, that's something that our backend service has

1780
01:07:59,670 --> 01:08:01,850
to handle and send all these push notifications

1781
01:08:01,850 --> 01:08:04,110
and register them to devices and stuff.

1782
01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:07,290
And when people use the app, if they

1783
01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:09,050
like it, it's like, well, there's this one

1784
01:08:09,050 --> 01:08:09,710
missing link.

1785
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:11,530
I would really like to get notifications.

1786
01:08:11,530 --> 01:08:12,010
Right.

1787
01:08:12,550 --> 01:08:14,290
Um, that seems to be one of the

1788
01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:15,550
primary features.

1789
01:08:15,810 --> 01:08:17,029
You using Firebase for that?

1790
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:19,990
We are using Firebase.

1791
01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:24,250
We also have a unified push integration, which

1792
01:08:24,250 --> 01:08:26,930
is like an open source way of, uh,

1793
01:08:27,850 --> 01:08:28,970
handling notifications.

1794
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:30,710
Did you hear me ask that question, Dave,

1795
01:08:30,750 --> 01:08:31,609
with some authority?

1796
01:08:32,050 --> 01:08:32,729
That was good, right?

1797
01:08:33,729 --> 01:08:34,149
I did.

1798
01:08:34,290 --> 01:08:35,029
I'm impressed.

1799
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:38,870
I want to jump in here about another

1800
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:43,370
possible, uh, financial reason to support premium for

1801
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:45,630
the white label glove and adding feeds in

1802
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:46,069
the future.

1803
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:48,790
We're hoping to make that a paid feature

1804
01:08:48,790 --> 01:08:51,189
that you get like 50 feeds a month

1805
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:51,830
being paid.

1806
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:54,890
And then everybody gets to, um, benefit from

1807
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:56,930
those feeds being add, which also gives us

1808
01:08:56,930 --> 01:08:59,210
a signal saying that this is worthwhile for

1809
01:08:59,210 --> 01:09:00,830
someone to actually think about and add to

1810
01:09:00,830 --> 01:09:02,290
our podcast app.

1811
01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:04,270
Explain that again.

1812
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:06,890
I didn't quite understand how that works.

1813
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:09,510
So right now, alpha, you sign up, you

1814
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:10,270
can add feeds.

1815
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:12,870
And the new version, you'll have to make

1816
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:13,050
that.

1817
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:14,490
That's going to be a premium feature to

1818
01:09:14,490 --> 01:09:15,649
add feeds like that.

1819
01:09:15,729 --> 01:09:16,649
You'll still be able to do it on

1820
01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:19,069
your phone as a separate thing, but when

1821
01:09:19,069 --> 01:09:21,310
it gets added to our database, there has

1822
01:09:21,310 --> 01:09:23,210
to be some sort of signal saying that

1823
01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:25,350
this is worthwhile for someone to actually add

1824
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:26,569
and not just slop.

1825
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:27,310
Interesting.

1826
01:09:27,689 --> 01:09:28,370
I like it.

1827
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:29,229
Not just slop.

1828
01:09:30,090 --> 01:09:31,370
Well, you can make a lot of money

1829
01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:33,729
off of, uh, what are those guys called?

1830
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:35,350
Dave.

1831
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:36,410
They don't send us money though.

1832
01:09:37,710 --> 01:09:38,370
Inception point.

1833
01:09:38,410 --> 01:09:39,450
Inception point AI.

1834
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:39,850
Yeah.

1835
01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:40,990
There's some money from them.

1836
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:41,830
Charge them double.

1837
01:09:43,250 --> 01:09:45,250
And then if anybody wants to add it,

1838
01:09:45,290 --> 01:09:46,850
they can send us a contact former.

1839
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:47,950
We can make a form and we could

1840
01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:50,029
review it later and possibly add it.

1841
01:09:50,830 --> 01:09:51,590
I like it.

1842
01:09:51,830 --> 01:09:52,189
Interesting idea.

1843
01:09:52,270 --> 01:09:53,830
I think you mentioned that on podcast and

1844
01:09:53,830 --> 01:09:57,090
desktop social the other day in there.

1845
01:09:58,510 --> 01:09:59,650
That's a good signal.

1846
01:09:59,930 --> 01:10:00,410
I like it.

1847
01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:02,070
If somebody's willing to pay for it.

1848
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:05,150
I mean, so is that you have to

1849
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:05,830
be a premium?

1850
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:07,130
Do you have to be a premium member

1851
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:07,710
to do that?

1852
01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:09,150
Is that what that, okay.

1853
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:09,570
Okay.

1854
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:13,490
Another element.

1855
01:10:13,730 --> 01:10:16,770
So the premium, uh, users for our new

1856
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:20,230
stats tracking system, uh, where we, we track

1857
01:10:20,230 --> 01:10:22,070
people's, I mean, you can opt out of

1858
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:23,430
this if you like, but you can, uh,

1859
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:26,050
we track, you know, what podcasts they're listening

1860
01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:30,410
to, what episode, um, we're only tracking that

1861
01:10:30,410 --> 01:10:31,990
for the paid premium users.

1862
01:10:32,770 --> 01:10:37,230
It's to help reduce the ability to manipulate.

1863
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:40,770
And, you know, like the legacy version uses

1864
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:43,090
a tracking, that's more of a conventional like

1865
01:10:43,090 --> 01:10:47,030
website tracking and it has its own like

1866
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:50,370
IP detection to try to prevent bots from

1867
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:52,230
artificially inflating numbers.

1868
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:56,830
But we're leaning into following the data only

1869
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:59,810
for premium members going forward so that there'll

1870
01:10:59,810 --> 01:11:02,750
be a better like signal to noise ratio.

1871
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:04,030
It should be more meaningful.

1872
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:09,310
Uh, the stats data that we have, which

1873
01:11:09,310 --> 01:11:11,170
down the road could lead to like a

1874
01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:14,750
better recommendations algorithm amongst other things.

1875
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:19,120
Yeah, for sure.

1876
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:19,460
Yeah.

1877
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:20,620
That makes, that makes a lot of sense.

1878
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,400
This, you know, the signal, the signal, the

1879
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,240
noise problem is real.

1880
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:29,480
I mean, obviously we're going through all, all

1881
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:31,920
this, jumping through all these hoops, hoops to

1882
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,480
try to make some sort of differentiation between

1883
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:36,960
what's garbage and what's not.

1884
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:41,480
And I mean, it's pretty, I guess it's

1885
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,000
pretty, a pretty simple idea.

1886
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,540
And it just reinforces my, my notion that

1887
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:51,080
the apps are what's going to help the

1888
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:55,280
index understand what's going on to, um, you

1889
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,920
know, if that, if that feeds back up

1890
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,140
to us in any way.

1891
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:01,240
And, um, I should probably get, get going

1892
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,340
and getting that, that up, you know, that,

1893
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,580
that data sharing stuff put back together.

1894
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:07,400
Yeah.

1895
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:09,500
Well, as we mentioned in DMs, like we

1896
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:12,860
can share this, uh, the publicly available, uh,

1897
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:13,920
stats data with you.

1898
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,580
We could also potentially integrate some sort of

1899
01:12:16,580 --> 01:12:20,340
report process into our UI that could feed

1900
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,120
back into some shared data resource with the

1901
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:23,980
podcast index.

1902
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,040
Well, you're, you're not alone by the way.

1903
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,600
Financially, you're not alone in the we're almost

1904
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,720
breaking even category that, you know, we, we,

1905
01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:36,500
I taught, I talked to quite a few

1906
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:39,740
podcast app developers, you know, routinely, and that's

1907
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:41,220
not an uncommon thing.

1908
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:44,080
So I don't know that anybody's really making,

1909
01:12:44,180 --> 01:12:47,500
you know, significant money in any of this.

1910
01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:51,880
So that's, you can at least commiserate on

1911
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:52,460
that fact.

1912
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:56,160
The, the, uh, I mean, our, our millennial

1913
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,980
podcaster girl has some advice on money though.

1914
01:13:00,020 --> 01:13:03,200
It's whether you value yourself and you know,

1915
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:04,220
it's worth it or not.

1916
01:13:05,460 --> 01:13:08,260
Sometimes when you don't pay as much, you

1917
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:09,680
don't show up as much.

1918
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:10,040
Right.

1919
01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:12,000
So if I only charged a hundred dollars,

1920
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:13,440
you'd be like, Oh, it's just a hundred

1921
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:13,920
dollars.

1922
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:15,920
Like you wouldn't care.

1923
01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:17,160
You'd be half-assing it.

1924
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:20,440
You know, you wouldn't actually follow up and

1925
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:21,980
be consistent and do the things that I

1926
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:23,500
sent you an email about, which by the

1927
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,520
way, those fucking emails take me at least

1928
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:25,920
an hour.

1929
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,860
So all in all, I'm spending at least

1930
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:29,900
three, four hours per person for a fucking

1931
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:32,320
session, you know, and that's, I, I price

1932
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,100
my things at the rate that they're at,

1933
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:36,060
which it's just going to go up over

1934
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:38,540
time because you're not just paying me for

1935
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:39,740
the work.

1936
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,660
You're paying me for the experience and all

1937
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:44,340
the things that I also went through to

1938
01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:46,860
be able to quantum leap and help you

1939
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:47,860
get there as well.

1940
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,120
Hey Grok, put a bikini on her.

1941
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:51,000
Yeah.

1942
01:13:52,780 --> 01:13:53,980
She's quantum leading.

1943
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:56,300
Quantum leading.

1944
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,060
I don't know what that means.

1945
01:13:58,460 --> 01:13:59,260
I love it.

1946
01:13:59,340 --> 01:14:00,660
I think we should try it.

1947
01:14:00,820 --> 01:14:02,220
Shall we thank a few people, Dave?

1948
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,500
Well, well we've just got that advice on

1949
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,000
how to be quantum leading.

1950
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:07,020
Yeah.

1951
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:08,680
We got a couple, a couple of boosts

1952
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:09,300
in real time.

1953
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:11,280
I think our node may be down again.

1954
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:16,960
Our our LN node that you set up.

1955
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:17,880
Yeah.

1956
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:21,060
It's just saying, just saying.

1957
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,080
But at least I'm getting something.

1958
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,780
I'm getting 1% over here from Martin

1959
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:28,240
Lindeskog.

1960
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,020
Rove ducks, two, two, two, two.

1961
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,720
It's fun to be in the boardroom listening

1962
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:32,800
to programming talk.

1963
01:14:32,860 --> 01:14:34,920
I am totally lost and on at the

1964
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:35,500
same time.

1965
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:37,240
You have the ducks in a row.

1966
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:38,040
All right.

1967
01:14:39,380 --> 01:14:39,840
Gallagher.

1968
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,140
Have we ever heard from Gallagher?

1969
01:14:42,260 --> 01:14:43,600
Yeah, I think so.

1970
01:14:43,940 --> 01:14:44,900
That sounds familiar.

1971
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:48,300
Coming in from, let's see, CurioCaster.

1972
01:14:49,220 --> 01:14:52,840
333, the amazing master tool corporation, a subsidiary

1973
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,540
of Flyby Night Industries has entrusted who me

1974
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:58,560
to show you the handiest and dandiest podcast

1975
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,660
tool you've ever seen.

1976
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,180
And don't you want to know how it

1977
01:15:01,180 --> 01:15:01,400
works?

1978
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,500
Well, first you get out an ordinary feed,

1979
01:15:03,620 --> 01:15:05,420
then you place the feed between the patented

1980
01:15:05,420 --> 01:15:05,880
pans.

1981
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:07,340
Then you reach for the tool that is

1982
01:15:07,340 --> 01:15:08,060
not a slicer.

1983
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:08,860
It's not a dicer.

1984
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,200
It's not a chopper and a hopper.

1985
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:11,900
What the hell could it possibly be?

1986
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:14,300
It's the new Podverse app.

1987
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:15,240
Yeah.

1988
01:15:17,140 --> 01:15:18,640
OK, there you go.

1989
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:21,100
Salty crayon with a row of swans.

1990
01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:21,940
Five, five, five.

1991
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,260
Big fan of test driving the Alphadot Podverse

1992
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:24,580
app.

1993
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,120
The past couple of months, it's a complete

1994
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,720
revamp from the previous version.

1995
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:28,980
Beautiful.

1996
01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:30,060
Yeah.

1997
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:31,620
A nice row of sticks.

1998
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,540
11,111 from Boost Beach Management coming in

1999
01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:38,720
on Podverse legacy.

2000
01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:41,380
The winter chill is real.

2001
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,060
Warm up by the glow of the upcoming

2002
01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:45,760
video stream of Boost Beach's grand opening.

2003
01:15:46,300 --> 01:15:49,580
Local Minneapolis band So Big performs live and

2004
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:51,600
lit with a boostable interactive set.

2005
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,760
January 9th, 7 p.m. Central.

2006
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,940
Tune in at Boost Beach dot live and

2007
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:58,700
head there now to listen to the trailer.

2008
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:01,560
BYOB Swingwear and welcome.

2009
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,320
This is interesting.

2010
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,260
Boost Beach.

2011
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:05,020
Boost Beach.

2012
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:05,420
Yeah.

2013
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,720
Salty Crayon 2026.

2014
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:08,920
Happy New Year.

2015
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,380
Boredom.

2016
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:11,220
Another year of figuring out what works and

2017
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:12,580
what doesn't in podcasting.

2018
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,980
Here's to another year of keeping our scissors

2019
01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:17,280
sharpened and our nodes pinging and ponging.

2020
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:18,880
Go podcasting.

2021
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:19,680
Yeah.

2022
01:16:20,140 --> 01:16:24,900
And 100 sats from Fountain from user 59050973.

2023
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:28,480
I also hate the A.I. slop and

2024
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,940
all the world takes that is just normal.

2025
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:33,480
There's real artists or content creators that receive

2026
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:35,400
less attention than those stupid videos.

2027
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,160
If you see a video, just block the

2028
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,280
channel or just scroll.

2029
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:41,340
Don't keep in there.

2030
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:42,840
Amazing podcast here.

2031
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:43,520
Thank you, guys.

2032
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,920
You you reserve more than this.

2033
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:47,940
You reserve more than this with.

2034
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:48,660
I can help.

2035
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:49,680
Have a good day.

2036
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,540
Lightning bolts.

2037
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:50,940
All right.

2038
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:51,660
Thank you very much.

2039
01:16:51,700 --> 01:16:53,400
And with that, I hit the delimiter.

2040
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:55,980
You know, I was listening yesterday.

2041
01:16:55,980 --> 01:16:58,700
I was doing some renovation work here in

2042
01:16:58,700 --> 01:17:02,800
the house and I was listening to pet

2043
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,220
sounds.

2044
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:04,740
Oh, the Beach Boys.

2045
01:17:05,340 --> 01:17:06,060
Yeah, Beach Boys.

2046
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,780
Martin, I'm not the Beach Boys.

2047
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,040
It's Wilson.

2048
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,440
Brian Wilson's solo project.

2049
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:13,940
Yeah, it.

2050
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:16,600
No, no, no.

2051
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,660
Pet sounds was the Beach Boys.

2052
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,280
It was the full Beach Boys band.

2053
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:19,680
Oh, it was.

2054
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,760
I thought it was just Brian Wilson.

2055
01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:23,600
OK, well, they say it's the best the

2056
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,880
best album ever made.

2057
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,200
I don't know if I know.

2058
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:29,480
We all know that's Rush.

2059
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:30,480
Come on.

2060
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,300
It's a twenty one twelve.

2061
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,460
Let's let's not get crazy here, but.

2062
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:38,580
They just you just don't.

2063
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,780
Music like that is gone.

2064
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,320
It's just gone, man.

2065
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:44,840
It'll come back.

2066
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,520
It like that is just.

2067
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,040
It's just beautiful.

2068
01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:53,740
It's beautiful creativity.

2069
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,680
This is what happens when you get old,

2070
01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:56,020
Dave.

2071
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:59,260
This is what happens when you start talking

2072
01:17:59,260 --> 01:17:59,880
like this.

2073
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:01,240
That was before.

2074
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,560
That was before my time.

2075
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:03,520
I was born in 76.

2076
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,720
That was before me.

2077
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,420
And I and I just have such I've

2078
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:07,060
said this before.

2079
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,540
You know, my daughter's like all the bands

2080
01:18:10,540 --> 01:18:12,500
and stuff that that are at the community

2081
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,940
art center here that they get tons of

2082
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:18,620
bands and nobody wants to play anything new.

2083
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,960
No, everything they play is from the 90s

2084
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:24,700
or earlier.

2085
01:18:24,820 --> 01:18:25,080
Yeah.

2086
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:26,240
And that's beautiful.

2087
01:18:27,060 --> 01:18:30,860
Because there's nothing nothing new is is you

2088
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:32,880
might you might tap your toe to it,

2089
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,540
but you don't want to like play it.

2090
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:35,660
It's a toe tapper.

2091
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:36,560
Yeah.

2092
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:38,620
Anyway, that's an aside.

2093
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:42,320
We got we got a got a donation

2094
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,580
from our friends at Transistor.

2095
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:45,140
Yes.

2096
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:46,200
Five hundred dollars.

2097
01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:47,040
Thank you.

2098
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:47,620
Wow.

2099
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,460
Shot caller 20 is blaze on the Impala.

2100
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,680
Thank you, boys and girls at Transistor.

2101
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,060
That's very much appreciated.

2102
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:00,240
That would be John and Justin over there.

2103
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:00,520
Yep.

2104
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,620
Podcasting two dot o is basically one ongoing

2105
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:05,220
hackathon that never ends.

2106
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,660
Well, that's a quote from you, except we

2107
01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:08,520
don't have any pizza.

2108
01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:13,260
Well, he says, well, here's some here's from

2109
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:16,240
your friends at Transistor FM wishing you the

2110
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:17,420
best in 2026.

2111
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:17,940
Lovely.

2112
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,020
Thank you very much.

2113
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,940
That's all that's everything helps.

2114
01:19:21,940 --> 01:19:23,120
Of course, everything helps.

2115
01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:24,040
Yep.

2116
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:28,200
That is our only PayPal one off PayPal.

2117
01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:32,260
We got some we got some boost, though.

2118
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:35,860
We got we got two anonymous from true

2119
01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:38,260
fans for forty seven thirty.

2120
01:19:38,780 --> 01:19:41,660
Those look like streamings, which that's great.

2121
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,280
And then we've got the delimiter.

2122
01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:46,140
So there's clearly like you said, there's clearly

2123
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:48,200
a mismatch going on now between the node

2124
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,760
and I'm going to have to go figure

2125
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:50,360
that out.

2126
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:52,780
So I will figure out what went to

2127
01:19:52,780 --> 01:19:53,360
the node.

2128
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,600
The Albi hub thing, Ellen address.

2129
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:04,040
Hickey do do widget of the widget widget.

2130
01:20:04,460 --> 01:20:06,900
I'll figure what out what that was and

2131
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:08,760
I'll read anything we missed.

2132
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:12,740
On the show next week, because that's on

2133
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:15,180
a different machine and it's not playing nice

2134
01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:17,940
with my script anymore, but comedy blogger did

2135
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:21,060
give us 17 515 sets the fountain.

2136
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,920
And he says, how do you, David?

2137
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:28,500
Vince Gilligan created Breaking Bad and he has

2138
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,060
over 60 million dollars.

2139
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:32,680
But still, I'd like to recommend his new

2140
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,700
TV show, Pluribus on Apple TV reasons.

2141
01:20:36,860 --> 01:20:39,860
It's an allegory of a stealing content and

2142
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:41,680
taking over mankind without consent.

2143
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,640
But also because purebred Polish milf, she has

2144
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,280
two sons.

2145
01:20:46,940 --> 01:20:50,620
Actress plays Zosia, a chaperone and free use

2146
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:51,180
lesbian.

2147
01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:54,360
What is it?

2148
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:56,520
What is a free use lesbian?

2149
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:58,500
I don't even want to know.

2150
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,100
I don't.

2151
01:21:00,220 --> 01:21:01,520
I just don't want to know.

2152
01:21:02,340 --> 01:21:03,480
OK, CSB.

2153
01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:04,500
Oh, wait, wait.

2154
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:06,900
Yo, CSB, AI arch wizard.

2155
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:07,560
He is.

2156
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:08,980
He is the AI arch wizard.

2157
01:21:08,980 --> 01:21:11,100
He has a hat, so he's I'm going

2158
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:11,720
to have to.

2159
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:13,900
I'm going to have to be clued in

2160
01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:15,680
on what a free use lesbian is.

2161
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,480
The monthlies, we got a lot of them.

2162
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:22,320
Jeremy Gerds, five dollars.

2163
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,040
Michael Hall, five dollars and 50 cents.

2164
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,980
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Thirty dollars.

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Thirty three cents.

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Thank you, Sergio.

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Cameron Rose, twenty five dollars.

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Thank you, Cameron.

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And Martin Lindesco, one dollar.

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Thank you, guys.

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That's our group.

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Thank you all very much for supporting the

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That's why we do the show.

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Besides the fact that Damon, I just want

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to catch up once a week.

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Go to podcast index dot org.

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Down at the bottom is where you can

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find a big red donate button.

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Hit that to send some PayPal fiat fund

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coupons to us.

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Of course, we always appreciate the boost to

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the podcasting 2.0 compatible apps and appreciate

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all of the support time, talent, treasure.

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So everything matters.

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Of course, if you want to join podcast

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index dot social, you can always follow Adam

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or Dave through the Fediverse.

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Or if you want to join and you

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have something to contribute, just hit us up

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and we will give an invite link.

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Did you you played the donation segment?

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Do you want to hear her advice on

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money in general?

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Of course.

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So other examples of money leaks is you

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not getting money back when you let someone

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borrow money.

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OK.

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OK.

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Let's say you pay for someone's dinner and

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you're like, oh, just PayPal, Venmo, sell me.

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Right.

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And they're not if.

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OK, so if they're not paying you, they're

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leaking their energy.

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But if you're not actually reaching out to

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them, you're leaking your energy, right?

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This generation is lost, Dave.

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They're leaking energy left and right.

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So bad.

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Look, I'm just thinking about Mitch and Archie.

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I just don't want them leaking.

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Don't leak out your energy, boys.

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You know, you just got to follow up

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with people.

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You've got to spend three hours per user

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writing them an email.

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Yeah.

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I'll work on it.

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I don't know that it's a stage that

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maybe LLM can help with the emails.

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It's a.

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Hey, guys.

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Congratulations on on on all the work that

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is really looking good.

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,060
And do you have a timeline for for

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full on release of the web and possibly

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the app?

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01:24:02,260 --> 01:24:05,060
Well, the Alpha Web, I'm expecting it to

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be done this month.

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But in terms of when will it be

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fully live like replacing the legacy app, that

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won't be until the mobile app is finished.

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And it's hard to promise deadlines on that.

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I would like to say it should be

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safely done and deployed by summer.

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But before that, as I mentioned, the website

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should be a standalone product that people may

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be able to deploy for their own purposes

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before the mobile app is even finished.

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So it would be cool to see Podverse

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deployed and running for somebody else before we

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even fully go live with it.

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Well, will you have a test flight and

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a private beta on the Android side for

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the new app?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we definitely will.

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Yeah.

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Count us in, man.

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Count us in.

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Archie, any parting words?

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Go podcasting.

2270
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Hey, guys, happy new year.

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Congratulations again.

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We look forward to having you back on

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when everything launches.

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And thank you for all you're doing for

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2.0 and for podcasting in general.

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It's highly appreciated.

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Good to be here.

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Thank you, guys.

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All right, Brother Dave, have yourself a great

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weekend.

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More renovation.

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01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,000
Oh, yeah.

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01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:22,260
Yeah.

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01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:25,540
Winter renovation and hopefully some some smoker action.

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01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:27,160
Smoker action.

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01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:28,180
All right.

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Yeah.

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Crack is on, baby.

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All right, everybody.

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Boardroom.

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01:25:32,780 --> 01:25:33,500
Thank you very much.

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01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:34,740
Have yourselves a great weekend.

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We'll be back next Friday for another board

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meeting of podcasting 2.0. You

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have been listening to podcasting 2.0. Visit

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podcast index dot org for more information.

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Go podcasting.

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That's a big bottom.