Episode 227: Gimme Root!

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Podcasting 2.0 for July 4th, 2025, episode

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227.

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Hello, everybody.

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Happy 4th of July.

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Happy Independence Day from America to the rest

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of the world.

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That's right.

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We're foam finger number one, chauvinist all the

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way.

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This is the official board meeting of podcasting

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2.0 where we talk about it all

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and a lot about ourselves and all kinds

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of interesting stuff when it comes to podcasting.

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We are, in fact, the only boardroom that

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has always been independent.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who will give you two monitors, five

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if your manager lets you.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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You said chauvinism.

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It reminded me that I never told you

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my accidental misogyny story.

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Well, you know, to be fair, we were

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having such a good time with Rocky and

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you didn't want to screw it up because,

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you know, it was that was a good

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show.

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I'd listened to it again, actually.

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I did.

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I had a lot of fun.

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I got a lot of good comments.

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People like, did you?

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Yes.

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Rocky should take over the show.

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You guys don't need to show anymore.

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Just let Rocky do the show.

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Get rid of Dave.

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No, no.

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The thing about getting rid of me, Rocky

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and Dave.

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It's the Rocky and Dave show.

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I got you.

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That does sound like a cartoon from the

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70s.

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Rocky and Bullwinkle.

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Yeah.

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Yes, indeed.

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We are we are live and lit, everybody.

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Finally, I thought it wasn't.

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I thought it wasn't going to happen.

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Well, Stephen B is is working hard and

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on on the 4th of July, which I

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appreciate.

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I just think we had a little problem

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with sovereign feeds and I haven't had a

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problem with sovereign feeds for a long, long

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time.

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I mean, I can't even think how long

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it's been since I've had to reach out

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for help.

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But of course, it of course, it always

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happens on a holiday.

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That's when stuff always breaks.

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We know that's the law of the jungle.

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Do you know how scared I am to

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go on this upcoming trip where I will

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be in the wilderness with zero cell coverage

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for about six days?

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I keep telling you, just give me root,

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baby.

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It'll I'll take care of everything.

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Give me root.

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Give me root.

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I need root.

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Yes, you can have root.

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I'll give you root.

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Having root and knowing what to do with

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root are just completely like I've told you,

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I've told you my root story, haven't I?

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I don't think so.

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I think early day, this was on-ramp

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before, maybe it was it was on-ramp

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before we became Think New Ideas.

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And we had, I'm pretty sure we had

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Anheuser-Busch.

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So we had budweiser.com.

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Maybe we didn't have budlight.com yet.

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We're probably still building it.

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Planetrebock.com.

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And we were building it all on a

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sun spark station.

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I want to say it was spark five.

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Does that sound right?

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Either spark five, maybe a spark 20.

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No, it must have been a spark.

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I think it was a spark five.

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Running Solaris.

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Running Solaris.

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And there were two problems with this machine.

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Apache.

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I guess it's all Apache, right?

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One was the first problem we had because

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we had our machines called like everything from,

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you know, sci-fi names like say we

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had Nero and we had Neuromancer.

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These are the host names.

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Host names.

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And I think like Neuromancer or something showed

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up in a referral log and someone, a

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client saw that and said, we're being hacked.

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There's hackers.

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So that was that, but that wasn't the

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root problem.

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The root problem was, I think it was

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probably one of those, funny enough, it might've

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been a holiday.

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I was the only one in the office

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and I think we were running out of

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disk space and like, oh, okay, well I'll

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just remove some of this junk here.

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Oh no.

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Yep.

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Oh no.

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So I did an rm-R star, which

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was the right thing to do if it

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hadn't been root access in the root directory.

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And it literally, it deleted the shell.

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I mean, it deleted everything.

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Everything.

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Everything.

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Literally everything.

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It recursively just, and I'm like, hey, the

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machine stopped working.

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But your disk problem is fixed.

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The disk problem was fixed.

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Unfortunately, we had to then back it up,

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you know, restore backups from tape.

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Oh, that takes hours.

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Days.

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It took a long time.

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You know, the old school, like Legato, was

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it Legato tapes?

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Was that what it was?

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The Legato backup?

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LVM.

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I can't remember.

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This can't be pre, this is probably pre

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LVM.

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Cause like the, the, um, so when I

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used to work at an insurance brokerage, it

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was my first IT job and we ran

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a huge AS400.

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Ah, nothing like a little bit of AS400

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baby.

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I love those machines.

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The, and so the AS, so we had

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a new guy who had only been there

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like a month and he was a.

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He got blamed.

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I can already tell the end of the

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story.

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New guy got blamed.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, it was totally, it was, it

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was totally his fault.

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But we, so there was like a holiday.

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And this is Cobalt that's running on these

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four, these four hundreds.

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Yeah, it must be.

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No, no.

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RPG 400.

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Oh, right, right.

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That was the IBM OS.

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Uh-huh.

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RPG.

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And so he, uh, so every night there

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was a huge sequence of batch jobs that

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would run, that would generate all the premium

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invoices and all this kind of stuff for

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all the insurance lines that we had.

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Oh man.

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Thousands and thousands of pages, uh, policy expirations,

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all these batch jobs.

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Big, big batch job.

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Sure.

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That's what, that's what they're good at.

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And we had a night operator that would

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run this every night while he was on

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vacation and nobody in the, in the, in

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the MIS department wanted to stay because it

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was a holiday weekend.

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And so they're like, let's get the new

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guy to do it.

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Let Mikey try it.

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He doesn't like anything.

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This guy had never, uh, I mean, he,

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he was a history major in college.

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He had no like zero, zero.

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He had taken like one programming class.

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That was the extent of his knowledge of

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computers.

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And so they got in there and they're

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like giving him like not, he's like, they're

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like, you're going to, here's all the things

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you're going to have to do over the

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course of the next eight hour shift are

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going to work.

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And they're like, just type this command.

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If you see it say this, then type

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this other command.

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But if it says this other thing, then

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type this third command.

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And they just over fire hosed him with

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information for like 45 minutes.

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And they're like, okay, you good?

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And they all left.

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And dude, I mean, it was two o

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'clock in the morning.

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He had been releasing batch jobs on top

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of other batch jobs and he screwed the

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system up so bad.

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They had to work all weekend to restore

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everything back to the way it was.

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Oh man.

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And I'm like, it's y'all's fault.

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You should have never done that.

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That's so bad.

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You know, AS400 was my client, the AS400

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division of IBM.

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It's a great product.

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It's still in use.

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Yeah.

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Except they wanted to, they said, look, um,

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we, we love that you're going to, cause

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we were just a website building company before

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front page existed.

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Remember, remember front page?

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That was so good.

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So I was like, how big are you?

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Uh, you're IBM.

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Yeah.

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Cold fusion.

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What was the other one?

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There was another, uh.

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Dreamweaver?

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Dreamweaver.

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Dreamweaver.

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And so like, well, you're IBM, so it's

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$50,000 a month for your website and

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maintenance, maintenance.

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And they said, that's okay.

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Which they all typically did because in the

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land of the blind, one eye is King.

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And they said, but it has to run

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on an AS400 web server.

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Oh, gross.

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Did not exist.

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No.

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So we built it.

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We built it and it sucked so bad.

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I remember the first web server in an

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AS400 that, that, um, was a part of,

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it was the worst pile of crap.

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It was horrible.

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Because everybody had at the back in the

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day, it was, uh, a dynamic website included

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the directory CGI dash bin.

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Bin.

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CGI bin.

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Yeah.

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And the bins in the CGI bin directory

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were not very good.

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You know, didn't work.

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Perl scripts.

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They were all Perl scripts.

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Yeah.

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Usually.

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So I, so I'm having, I'm using Python.

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Is Python known to just over time slurp

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up memory if scripts are running?

287
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Is that a Python thing?

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No, that shouldn't be a Python thing.

289
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I mean, I mean, it's possible, like, I

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mean, I mean, it's, it's a, I think

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Python is a garbage collected language.

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So it's possible that it will grow over

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time, but it, it shouldn't leak memory over

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time.

295
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You know, like it should like level off.

296
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Yeah.

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I'm also seeing my swap file is almost

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500 megs.

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So maybe I can increase my swap file.

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Swap file?

301
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What your, like your system, your swap partition?

302
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Yeah.

303
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500 megs is not a big deal.

304
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It's full.

305
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It's at 493.

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How much, how much RAM is on this

307
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VM?

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Eight.

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Eight gigs?

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Eight, eight to the G to the B.

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If you do a free, if you do,

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if you run the command free space, Free

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Nelson Mandela.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

316
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Run that and see what that says.

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Free space dash one M.

318
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That's it.

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Yeah.

320
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I think you may have to run it

321
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as pseudo, but yeah.

322
00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:04,710
Yeah.

323
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I'm, I'm using 37 gigs, 3.7 gigs

324
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and the swap is 495 megs.

325
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3.7 out of eight.

326
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That's not, that's not a bad.

327
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Yeah.

328
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But it started like at 1.8 with

329
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the same process running.

330
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So it's just grown over time.

331
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It's grown a gig in a week.

332
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Well, as long as it doesn't, as long

333
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as it doesn't continue to grow.

334
00:10:28,910 --> 00:10:29,270
I know.

335
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I know, but the more processes I might

336
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have to run, I don't know, something called

337
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channel streams, I'm going to run it.

338
00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:38,690
But you might not have, like, look, what

339
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I'm saying is like, it might not be

340
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dependent on how many channels.

341
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I mean, you may be able to spin

342
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up, you know, 25 more in there and

343
00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:48,490
it only grow by a hundred megs.

344
00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:52,070
Oh, doubtful, but Oh, I mean, try it,

345
00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:52,450
try it.

346
00:10:53,290 --> 00:10:56,170
I'm thinking maybe it's, maybe it's liquid soap.

347
00:10:56,770 --> 00:10:58,630
That's a, you know, the Oak, Oak camel

348
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based language.

349
00:11:01,010 --> 00:11:01,490
Maybe.

350
00:11:01,650 --> 00:11:01,830
Yeah.

351
00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:02,370
Yeah.

352
00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:03,030
That's possible.

353
00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:04,950
I'm thinking that, that may be growing.

354
00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:05,670
Yeah.

355
00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:09,730
Well, I mean, liquid soap, I mean, usually

356
00:11:09,730 --> 00:11:13,550
languages themselves don't have memory leaks, but you

357
00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:16,010
know, like, Yeah, well, it's okay.

358
00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:16,850
We can do the show.

359
00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:17,430
No problem.

360
00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:21,690
I just have this disturbing H top monitor

361
00:11:21,690 --> 00:11:22,610
to my right.

362
00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:25,690
Like first thing in the morning, forget Bible

363
00:11:25,690 --> 00:11:26,050
study.

364
00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:27,130
Let me look at the H top.

365
00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:27,550
Okay.

366
00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:27,930
All right.

367
00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:30,410
Whatever you see, that was your first problem

368
00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:32,050
is monitor is, is keeping it up where

369
00:11:32,050 --> 00:11:32,810
you can see it.

370
00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:35,890
You should just, that's why, that's why when

371
00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:37,390
you asked me if there was something wrong

372
00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:38,930
with the web hook server, I said, no,

373
00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:39,930
because I don't see it.

374
00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:41,770
No, there's nothing, nothing I can see.

375
00:11:43,150 --> 00:11:45,090
No, I mean, it's not really, it's not

376
00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:45,610
in front of me.

377
00:11:45,630 --> 00:11:47,750
So I'm like, no, I mean, prove it.

378
00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:49,930
You know, we, we've had such a wonderful,

379
00:11:50,270 --> 00:11:51,830
a wonderful week, by the way, happy 4th

380
00:11:51,830 --> 00:11:54,230
of July, everybody independence day for America.

381
00:11:54,330 --> 00:11:56,570
This is our 249th birthday.

382
00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,030
I heard you James Cridland.

383
00:12:00,210 --> 00:12:01,950
I heard your snide more remark.

384
00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:02,510
It's okay.

385
00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:04,090
I don't even want it.

386
00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:06,090
Oh, it's like a independence day.

387
00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:13,210
Apparently still for us, not for anybody else.

388
00:12:13,570 --> 00:12:14,950
They're still sour over it.

389
00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:17,110
That's the problem.

390
00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:19,070
That's the problem with my, I need, I

391
00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:21,550
need a, I need an, uh, I need

392
00:12:21,550 --> 00:12:23,010
old glory up here in the studio.

393
00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:25,430
I'm not in the patriotic mood right now.

394
00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:26,930
Let me get old glory up.

395
00:12:27,090 --> 00:12:27,970
You got old glory there.

396
00:12:28,010 --> 00:12:29,450
You get, can you, can you raise the

397
00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:30,010
old glory?

398
00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:32,110
I'm doing it virtually on the screen.

399
00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:34,030
There we go.

400
00:12:34,190 --> 00:12:34,650
There you go.

401
00:12:34,730 --> 00:12:34,910
All right.

402
00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:35,390
I'm good.

403
00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:36,190
I'm good to go now.

404
00:12:36,830 --> 00:12:39,270
We've had, we've had such a fun, a

405
00:12:39,270 --> 00:12:42,650
fun week because we got to experience what

406
00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:46,130
many members of the boardroom have experienced for

407
00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:53,040
years, which is customers, users.

408
00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:54,140
Yes.

409
00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,520
And, uh, and now I understand why Steve

410
00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,740
jobs at one point said, Hey, look, you're

411
00:12:59,740 --> 00:13:00,580
holding it wrong.

412
00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:01,080
Okay.

413
00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,140
You're just holding it wrong because it works

414
00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:05,140
fine in the lab.

415
00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:06,540
We were held it like this.

416
00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:11,000
You're they, they actually were holding it wrong.

417
00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:13,600
They just had never been explained how to

418
00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,060
hold it.

419
00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:14,380
Right.

420
00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:15,860
Exactly.

421
00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:19,060
Technically he was, he was being correct.

422
00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:21,220
Well, yeah, technically it was kind of rude,

423
00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:22,760
but it's really interesting.

424
00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,880
You never know.

425
00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,600
I think you said it.

426
00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,820
You never know how your users are going

427
00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:28,800
to use your products.

428
00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,080
You just don't know.

429
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,720
And then you go like, Oh, well, that's

430
00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:32,200
interesting.

431
00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,580
And the things that they don't use, like,

432
00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,640
well, what's wrong with you?

433
00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:38,900
Why don't you use that?

434
00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:39,780
It's so obvious.

435
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,280
Power users.

436
00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,300
Well, power users are the worst.

437
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,140
And I consider myself to be one of

438
00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:45,900
those big offenders.

439
00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,620
No, you're not.

440
00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:48,600
See, you're not a tip.

441
00:13:49,460 --> 00:13:49,820
Okay.

442
00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:51,440
Let me define power user though.

443
00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,060
Let me be, let's, let's get accurate with

444
00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:53,460
this thing.

445
00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:57,080
A power in, in it support circles, a

446
00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,660
power user is somebody who.

447
00:14:00,140 --> 00:14:03,640
Is convinced that they know more that they

448
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,580
know either as much as you do or

449
00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:06,440
more than you do.

450
00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:06,800
Yeah.

451
00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:07,280
Okay.

452
00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,340
And so, and they don't like that.

453
00:14:10,380 --> 00:14:12,660
Anything that they've done is, is your problem,

454
00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,460
not theirs.

455
00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:16,400
So like, but you're not like that, you

456
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,180
know, a lot of, you know, I mean,

457
00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:19,960
you're a very technical person and you know

458
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,880
how to, you know, do some coding, you

459
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,100
know, how to run some systems, you know,

460
00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:24,520
I mean, like, you know, a lot of

461
00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,900
stuff, but you also are self-aware to

462
00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:29,780
say, there are some things I don't know,

463
00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:31,380
and I'm going to have to ask advice

464
00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:32,160
or help or whatever.

465
00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:35,540
The power user never considers that their problem

466
00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:36,300
is their problem.

467
00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,800
It's always the IT department, MIS department.

468
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:40,060
Yeah.

469
00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:41,680
That's my favorite MIS department.

470
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,200
Yeah.

471
00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:44,220
It's like, Hey, I, um, uh, I know

472
00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:45,680
we're running windows 10, but I went ahead

473
00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,020
and upgraded to windows 11.

474
00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:49,620
Um, uh, just, you know, I force installed

475
00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:50,640
it with a USB drive.

476
00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:52,880
Can you, uh, and now all my apps

477
00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,340
don't work.

478
00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:54,420
Can you fix that?

479
00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,060
Gee, clearly it's, uh, it's, it's the, it's

480
00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:58,780
the machine.

481
00:14:58,960 --> 00:14:59,800
It's the machine's fault.

482
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,240
It's the machine you gave me.

483
00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,940
It's not my upgrade path.

484
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:03,220
Yeah.

485
00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:04,120
Right, right.

486
00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:06,220
Well, I also have the scars to show

487
00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:06,680
for it.

488
00:15:07,380 --> 00:15:07,820
Yeah.

489
00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:08,900
You learned it the hard way.

490
00:15:09,260 --> 00:15:10,640
You've earned your stripes.

491
00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:11,240
Yeah.

492
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:11,660
Yeah.

493
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,440
Some.

494
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,220
Yes, for sure.

495
00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:14,220
Hey, good news.

496
00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:17,380
Um, after Rocky's appearance yesterday, wheels are in

497
00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:17,700
motion.

498
00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,740
I'm signed up podcast movement, August 19th, 1

499
00:15:20,740 --> 00:15:23,120
30 PM pending, but I'll just say it

500
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,040
looks like that's happening.

501
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,720
And I'm very grateful to the soundstack folks

502
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,720
for, uh, for making that happen.

503
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,840
Cause you know, they're paying for it.

504
00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:32,500
They, they, they pay for the session.

505
00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:33,540
Okay.

506
00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,300
So because they pay for it, it's not

507
00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:36,400
going to be in the break room next

508
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,180
to the snack machine.

509
00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:37,740
Exactly.

510
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:38,880
And it's 1 30 PM.

511
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,780
So it's after lunch, not during lunch.

512
00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:42,100
Like we were, it's after lunch.

513
00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:42,860
That's good.

514
00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:43,320
Yeah.

515
00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:45,040
And, uh, yeah.

516
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,800
And they're, and they're all emailing me like,

517
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,080
oh, we're super stoked, man.

518
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,700
This is great.

519
00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:49,760
It's going to be fantastic.

520
00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,000
I remember, I remember you from MTV.

521
00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:55,820
That has a lead with that.

522
00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,320
All that's, all that's missing is, Hey boomer,

523
00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,520
looking forward to seeing it.

524
00:15:59,660 --> 00:16:00,740
Podcast movement, boomer.

525
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,420
That's, that's all.

526
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,220
That's all.

527
00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:06,240
So what are you, what are your plan?

528
00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:07,220
I mean, like, what's your plan?

529
00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:07,980
Are you going to fly?

530
00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:09,600
Oh yeah, no, of course.

531
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,640
I'm taking advantage of it to fly myself

532
00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,220
up and back.

533
00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:13,160
I'm going to do one day.

534
00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,180
I'm not even hanging out.

535
00:16:14,260 --> 00:16:16,020
Oh, like I'm coming in like a rock

536
00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:17,280
star first skirt.

537
00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:18,500
How you doing girls?

538
00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:19,720
How you doing?

539
00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:21,220
Let me give you a little podcast in

540
00:16:21,220 --> 00:16:22,200
2.0 stuff.

541
00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:23,640
Yeah, I'll go up there.

542
00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:24,280
We'll get it.

543
00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:25,360
I'll get in nice and early.

544
00:16:26,180 --> 00:16:28,220
And, uh, and then, you know, I, and

545
00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:28,820
that's the good news.

546
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:29,980
I can leave whenever I want.

547
00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:32,140
You know, because yeah.

548
00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:33,000
How does that work?

549
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,600
Do you have to pay for like storing

550
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,120
the plane while you do your thing and

551
00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:36,980
then come back?

552
00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:38,920
Uh, well, it all, it all depends.

553
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,220
So it's, um, it's Dallas.

554
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,600
So, uh, we'll probably go to Addison, uh,

555
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,720
which is, you know, I mean, there's, you

556
00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,140
have multiple choices of airfields, but it really

557
00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:52,700
comes down to your FBO in the, in

558
00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:55,180
the jargon, your field based on your field

559
00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:56,060
-based operator.

560
00:16:56,420 --> 00:16:59,660
So you can sometimes find a guy, you

561
00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:01,480
know, with a hanger and a toe, like

562
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,200
a manual toe, or you can just roll

563
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,720
up to million air, a million air where

564
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,500
all the private jets go.

565
00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:12,400
And, um, you know, they'll come out, they'll

566
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,380
wash your plane.

567
00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:14,560
They'll fill it up.

568
00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,000
They got a lounge.

569
00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,440
You get some coffee.

570
00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,480
And they send you a bill for eight

571
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:19,859
grand.

572
00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:21,819
Actually, if you, if you, the way it

573
00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:23,700
works is if you take fuel from them,

574
00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:25,160
then there's no charge.

575
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:26,599
Really?

576
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:26,960
Yeah.

577
00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:27,760
If you don't take.

578
00:17:27,980 --> 00:17:28,280
That sounds okay.

579
00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:28,700
Yeah.

580
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,300
If you don't take fuel, then, uh, then

581
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:34,360
there's typically a charge and it depends of

582
00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,920
size of aircraft, but it could be $50

583
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,500
to $400, I guess, depending on how big

584
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:40,320
your aircraft is.

585
00:17:40,620 --> 00:17:41,020
Yeah.

586
00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:42,640
So they take care of it and you

587
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,220
get a nice, you know, it's protected, nice

588
00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:44,980
parking spot.

589
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,200
And they'll keep it there.

590
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,500
And, um, since it won't be, so it'll

591
00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:50,940
be August.

592
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,420
So it won't get dark until nine, even

593
00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:56,720
though we can, um, I think, I don't

594
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,160
know what time our, we'll be back by

595
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,460
eight.

596
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,400
I think our field closes at eight here

597
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,640
in, uh, right next to the house, basically

598
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,760
five minutes from the house.

599
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,740
Do you have to be, is it a

600
00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:09,240
specific type of certification you have to have

601
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,140
to fly at night?

602
00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,020
Is that separate?

603
00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:13,780
Not at night, but, uh, to fly, uh,

604
00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:17,780
IFR instrument flight rules, which means you're under

605
00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:21,700
control by the, um, uh, the air well,

606
00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:22,740
there's okay.

607
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,140
Longer answer was first answer.

608
00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:25,620
Yes.

609
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,500
If you want to fly with air traffic

610
00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:31,000
control, which you really want because Dallas is

611
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,120
super busy and, and, you know, you want

612
00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,760
to come in like the big boys do.

613
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,700
And so they'll sequence you and they'll vector

614
00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:38,920
you and all that stuff.

615
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,840
If you're VFR only, then you, you're going

616
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,500
to be kind of like a hobbyist and

617
00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:46,300
they're gonna, you know, get you in when

618
00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:46,920
they can.

619
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,300
Uh, but you, you can also get flight

620
00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:51,280
following, which means, Hey, you know, if you

621
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,960
see me about to crash into somebody else,

622
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:53,720
would you let me know?

623
00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,020
It's not quite the same as, um, as

624
00:18:56,020 --> 00:18:57,080
IFR vectoring.

625
00:18:57,620 --> 00:18:58,460
Now, this is okay.

626
00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,200
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but this is,

627
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,080
this is, uh, I think, uh, I don't

628
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,320
know if I'm understanding you're right.

629
00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:06,900
Are you saying that you can choose to

630
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:08,940
fly with no air traffic control?

631
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:10,660
Yes.

632
00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:13,560
Well, it's not like no air traffic control

633
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,300
because when you, um, when you're flying with

634
00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:16,660
it, okay.

635
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,060
So there's all these different airspaces.

636
00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:19,780
So when I, when we take off from

637
00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:22,560
Fredericksburg, we're technically under San Antonio.

638
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,640
So we'll, but we don't have to call

639
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,880
San Antonio for just going to fly around.

640
00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:28,980
We'll just say, okay.

641
00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:31,480
Hey, everybody out there near Fredericksburg, we're going

642
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,040
up now.

643
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,340
Here we are.

644
00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:34,200
Look out for us.

645
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,920
That's basically it.

646
00:19:36,260 --> 00:19:38,000
But then if you fly into, if you're

647
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,100
about to fly, there's all these different airspaces.

648
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,460
And so we fly outside of our own

649
00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:44,060
aerodrome.

650
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,060
Then you want to call, uh, San Antonio

651
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,420
and say, Hey, we're VFR.

652
00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:49,080
We're tootling around.

653
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:49,920
Here's what we're doing.

654
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,680
We're going to be here.

655
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,460
This is what we're doing.

656
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,420
And they'll be okay.

657
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,760
And then you can say, well, we're going

658
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:55,500
to go to Dallas.

659
00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:56,960
Could you give us flight following?

660
00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:58,560
Which means they'll keep, they'll give you a

661
00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:58,840
number.

662
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,360
So then your transponder is squawking a code

663
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,800
and they'll say, okay, that's a, that's curry

664
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,420
over there.

665
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,960
And, and they expect that you'll, you'll be

666
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,860
at a certain, um, altitude.

667
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,780
You can't go above a certain altitude.

668
00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:13,580
So maybe it'll be like 5,000 feet

669
00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:15,000
or it could be, it could even be

670
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,880
9,000 feet in some cases before we

671
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,140
have to get oxygen actually.

672
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,640
Um, and then, so you can just fly

673
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,640
around as you go from airspace to airspace.

674
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,280
Then you'll, you'll call the air, the ATC

675
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,940
and say, Hey, I'm a, I'm about to

676
00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:31,960
head into, um, well, this case there's what's

677
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,280
in between us, like Waco.

678
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,020
Maybe if we go via Waco.

679
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,080
So I'll say, Hey, Waco, we're going to

680
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,320
go into Waco's airspace.

681
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,060
We'll call Waco and say, Hey, we are,

682
00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:41,600
this is what we're squawking.

683
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,360
Okay.

684
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,420
And now when you're IFR, you file a

685
00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:46,980
flight plan.

686
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,900
You have this, these pathways, it's like a

687
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:50,940
highway in the sky and you're going to

688
00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:52,120
go from point to point.

689
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,620
And the air traffic control.

690
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,680
So when, before we leave the ground in

691
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,260
Fredericksburg, we'll call San Antonio, they say, okay,

692
00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:01,000
uh, you're good to go.

693
00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:03,640
Uh, when you, uh, once you're taken off,

694
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,040
this is your heading direct towards this point.

695
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,760
And then as we're flying, they may adjust

696
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,020
us.

697
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,840
And so they're basically in control of the

698
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,100
routing.

699
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,540
So we can't just tootle around.

700
00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:13,780
We have to stay on that highway.

701
00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:16,680
And if they say, Hey, you know, uh,

702
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,900
change direction to this because we got these

703
00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:19,700
guys coming in.

704
00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:21,680
It all depends on the, on the busyness

705
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,440
of the airspace.

706
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,800
And then you can ask them for permission

707
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,440
to go to another out to go to

708
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,100
a different altitude.

709
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Yes.

710
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,640
And you do, you have to say, Hey,

711
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,540
uh, uh, I'm at, I'm at eight.

712
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:32,580
It's a little choppy here.

713
00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:33,560
I want to go to eight and a

714
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,540
half or well, it depends on which direction

715
00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:36,620
you're flying to, but let's say eight.

716
00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:37,460
I want to go to nine.

717
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:39,840
Uh, then they'll say, okay, it's approved.

718
00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:40,620
Go ahead to nine.

719
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,520
And then if, if there's really bad weather,

720
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,020
then ATC will likely say, Hey, you know,

721
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,480
hey Curry, uh, looks like he got some

722
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,000
bad weather.

723
00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:51,220
Would you like me to route you around

724
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:51,480
it?

725
00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:54,100
Or I can say, Hey, I don't like

726
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:54,480
it up here.

727
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,480
Can you route me around it?

728
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:56,380
Okay.

729
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:56,900
Okay.

730
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,320
But then the trick is when you get

731
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,480
to Dallas, it's so busy because there's five

732
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,100
airfields up there and from the air, they're

733
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,220
all pretty close and there's everything flying every

734
00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:09,880
which way private jets, um, you know, it's

735
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,560
a big Southwest, uh, hub at love field.

736
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,380
And so if you're coming in and they're

737
00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:17,320
sequencing you, first of all, you're slower than

738
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,780
everybody.

739
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,820
So they are, nobody likes you in general

740
00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:21,660
because you're slower.

741
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:22,260
Yeah.

742
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:22,680
Right.

743
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:24,920
You know, it's like you're playing behind a

744
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,720
slow guy in golf.

745
00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:26,320
Yeah.

746
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:26,420
Yeah.

747
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,820
You're going slow.

748
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,860
And then depending on how confident you sound,

749
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,720
they're going to, they're going to get you

750
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:32,960
in.

751
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,660
So if, if you don't sound confident to

752
00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:37,880
the controller, the controller is going to be

753
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,320
very careful with you and it's going to

754
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,960
make you fly.

755
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,500
But once you go that way for 15

756
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:42,820
minutes and we'll bring you back.

757
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,100
But I've had it where I've been flying

758
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,740
in the like, okay, um, uh, I forget

759
00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:48,980
what my call sign was at the time.

760
00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:51,960
November Delta two, seven, seven Shira, or they'll

761
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,240
say, um, what is it?

762
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,400
Cirrus, uh, Cirrus Delta Shira.

763
00:22:56,060 --> 00:22:57,220
Uh, we've got a Southwest.

764
00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:59,020
He's going 300 knots.

765
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,040
Uh, I'm just going to have him pass

766
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,340
on your right hand side T Casaware, which

767
00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:06,080
means your collision warning is going to go

768
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,660
off, but don't be freaked out because I'm

769
00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:09,860
going to have the Southwest airplane pass right

770
00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:10,820
over to your right.

771
00:23:11,380 --> 00:23:11,640
Yeah.

772
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:12,980
That sounds like not fun.

773
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,360
No, that's cool with that.

774
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:15,520
You're waving at each other.

775
00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:16,560
The pilot's waving.

776
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:17,340
We're waving back.

777
00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:17,740
Oh really?

778
00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:18,260
Oh yeah.

779
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:18,660
Yeah.

780
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,180
Oh, that sounds scary to me.

781
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:22,280
And then you also have military stuff flying

782
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,440
all over the place.

783
00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:24,420
Yeah.

784
00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:26,880
This guy's, this guy's doing 700 miles an

785
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,120
hour and you'll pay no attention.

786
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,400
Oh, that's freaky.

787
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,380
Oh man, that's freaky.

788
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,360
And then the worst part is when you're

789
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,680
landing behind a seven 37, as an example,

790
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:38,820
you're coming in and say, okay, your sequence

791
00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:42,200
behind the Southwest seven 37, uh, be aware

792
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,160
of jet wash.

793
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:44,920
Yeah.

794
00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:47,080
I mean, jet wash is no turbulence.

795
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:47,780
Oh yeah.

796
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,780
No, if you come down in the fresh

797
00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:52,600
jet wash, it can flip your panel plane

798
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,160
upside down.

799
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,260
Whoa.

800
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:54,660
Yeah.

801
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,560
So when, when they say be aware of

802
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,160
jet wash, I mean like, what does that

803
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,420
mean?

804
00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:59,480
Good luck, buddy.

805
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,180
Good luck.

806
00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,380
Could you, don't crash on the runway.

807
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,060
We have other planes coming in.

808
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:06,900
If you flip, try to go to the

809
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:07,240
left.

810
00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:09,100
Try to flip over that way.

811
00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:12,380
Yeah, but this is so interesting.

812
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:14,180
I had no idea that you could like

813
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:17,640
choose what level of ATC you wanted.

814
00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:19,500
I thought you were just in the system

815
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,020
and you had to follow the rules all

816
00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:21,500
the time.

817
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,120
No, well, we're also America, baby.

818
00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:25,780
This is where the, this is 249 years

819
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:26,200
of freedom.

820
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:28,460
So in Fredericksburg, we don't have an ATC.

821
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,780
We don't have no glory.

822
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,600
We don't have a tower or anything.

823
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,740
So, you know, no.

824
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,520
So you roll up to the runway and

825
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,080
you're already monitoring, of course.

826
00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:40,320
And like, uh, okay, uh, you know, call

827
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,840
sign.

828
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,500
We're lined up runway two to Fredericksburg or

829
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,580
Gillespie is what we should say.

830
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,580
Gillespie will be taking off.

831
00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:49,280
And then you hope to hear someone say,

832
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:50,920
oh, you know, I'm coming in final.

833
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:52,280
I'm like, oh, you're coming in final.

834
00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:53,340
I'll wait for you.

835
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,640
Now, but do you hang your arm out

836
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,180
the window and do the like stop left?

837
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:01,760
No, you hang your left arm out the

838
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,660
window with your cigarette.

839
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,840
I'm ready to go.

840
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,460
But here's what's even crazier.

841
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,960
So, um, uh, Bernie, the Bernie stage airport,

842
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:15,260
which is, you know, it's an hour drive,

843
00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:16,840
but through the air, it's 15 minutes.

844
00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:18,320
We share the same frequency.

845
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,820
So when you are making your call outs

846
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:25,740
around either Bernie or the Fredericksburg airport, which

847
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:27,900
is known as Gillespie, you have to always

848
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,420
start and end with Gillespie.

849
00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:32,100
Otherwise, somebody in Bernie may think that you're

850
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,380
coming in on their runway when you're actually

851
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:36,840
coming in on the runway here in Fredericksburg.

852
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,040
Because they're close enough.

853
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:38,720
You can hear it.

854
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,540
You can hear each other.

855
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:39,800
Yeah.

856
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,840
And we're on the same frequency.

857
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,240
Great.

858
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:43,420
That's great.

859
00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:45,520
This is why, this is why we have

860
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240
a $60 billion for upgrade of the ATC

861
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,060
system in the big, beautiful bill.

862
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,740
It's actually more, there's probably more like a

863
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:54,100
trillion.

864
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:54,980
It's like 3 trillion.

865
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,780
I think no, no, no, it can't be

866
00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:56,980
that.

867
00:25:56,980 --> 00:26:00,220
It's, it's like, it's, it's tens of billions.

868
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:05,860
This, this is when it's, it's one of

869
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:08,060
those things where you find out how loose,

870
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,500
how loosey goosey the system is.

871
00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:13,340
And you're like, man, I've got so much

872
00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:15,420
mad respect that there's not any, that there's

873
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:16,660
hardly ever any crashes.

874
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:18,760
Well, there's all kinds of crashes all the

875
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,180
time.

876
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:20,520
You just don't hear about them.

877
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,860
I mean, you can go into the, here's,

878
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,160
here's my secret website.

879
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,780
Pprune.org.

880
00:26:27,940 --> 00:26:30,200
P-P-R-U-N-E.org.

881
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:32,600
That's the pilot something.

882
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,200
This basically pilot freaks who go there.

883
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,380
And we talk about all kinds of stuff.

884
00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:39,680
Pilot's rumor network.

885
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:40,320
There you go.

886
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,980
And look under accidents and close calls.

887
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,220
Oh no.

888
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,200
That's the one.

889
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:50,120
And there's, there's incursions that happen all the

890
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:50,220
time.

891
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:51,660
Someone runs off the runway.

892
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:54,380
Someone lost the, you know, this, most of

893
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:56,020
these are not a big deal.

894
00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:57,300
It's like bad day.

895
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:58,340
Everyone walks away.

896
00:26:58,460 --> 00:26:59,180
No one was hurt.

897
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,500
You only hear about it when someone crashes

898
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,100
into a house and they die.

899
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,080
Delta 737 loses a flap.

900
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,640
Yeah, minor, minor, minor.

901
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,560
It's a minor issue.

902
00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:13,340
In a way, but in a way, David,

903
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,940
in a way it's like being a sysadmin.

904
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:17,280
You've got stuff happening all the time that

905
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,160
users have no idea happened.

906
00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:21,120
And they have no idea how close they

907
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,620
were to total Armageddon.

908
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,360
Right.

909
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,300
This, I mean, Delta Boeing 737 lost a

910
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:30,500
wing flap midair.

911
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,680
Nobody knew until it appeared in a Raleigh

912
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,840
driveway the next morning.

913
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:34,160
Yeah.

914
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,200
You might not know.

915
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,640
I mean, you've got plenty of flappage.

916
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:37,640
It's all good.

917
00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:38,200
Yeah.

918
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,920
There's a big, there's a flap just laying

919
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,660
on the guy's driveway.

920
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:43,260
It happens all the time.

921
00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:44,340
Oh man.

922
00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:47,120
Anyway, I feel like I've been enlightened.

923
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:50,260
Anyway, so, but long story short, my buddy,

924
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Maverick, my periodontist, he just bought himself a

925
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,940
half of a TBM 850.

926
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,520
So I'll be flying that up with him.

927
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:01,460
A TBM 850.

928
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,180
Now, now, now you're talking.

929
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:03,740
All right.

930
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,660
I got to look this up.

931
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,360
Turboprop.

932
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:06,560
It has stairs.

933
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,040
You don't get in over the wing.

934
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,040
It has stairs.

935
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,500
Oh, you don't have to crawl up over

936
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:11,640
the.

937
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,640
No, it has stairs.

938
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:14,420
TBM 850 is a high-performance single-engine

939
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:14,940
turboprop.

940
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Yeah, that does 300 knots.

941
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:19,800
That thing's, that thing books.

942
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:20,940
That's fast.

943
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,540
So you can, you're rated for like, you

944
00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:24,300
can do that one?

945
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,480
He's in it.

946
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,580
He has an instructor's license.

947
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:31,020
So I can fly, I can fly it

948
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:31,800
with him next to me.

949
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:33,140
Yeah, I can fly it.

950
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,900
I can fly it.

951
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,340
It's, but it, it's fast.

952
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:37,920
You know, it's no joke.

953
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:39,420
Does it have, is it a pressurized cabin?

954
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,260
Yes, it does.

955
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,780
Of course.

956
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:41,760
So we'll go up to.

957
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:42,740
So you can go high.

958
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:45,240
Yeah, we probably, going to Dallas, we'll probably

959
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
go up to 13, 15,000 feet.

960
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:50,100
Oh, that sounds fun.

961
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:51,140
Yeah.

962
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:54,400
And it'll take, it'll take 40 minutes, you

963
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,660
know, instead of five and a half hours

964
00:28:57,660 --> 00:28:58,160
drive.

965
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,080
I'm looking at it.

966
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,520
This must be like planes for sale or

967
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:04,780
something.

968
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,760
Yeah, that's a, that's a cool looking.

969
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:08,760
How many people can it see?

970
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,480
Six passengers, two pilots, six passengers, single pilot

971
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:12,980
IFR.

972
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,440
So you can fly it by yourself without

973
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,080
a co-pilot.

974
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,220
Can reach a max altitude of 31,000.

975
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,700
Oh yeah, you can get way up there.

976
00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:20,860
Yeah.

977
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,780
Then you can really, really, you can really

978
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:24,720
book and get really fast.

979
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:29,360
Um, man, this that's terribly impressed.

980
00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:31,460
Priced from as low as 1.8 million.

981
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:33,780
Yeah, for a, for a banger.

982
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:36,920
That's the, that's the entry model.

983
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:37,900
It's the basic model.

984
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:38,760
That's a banger model.

985
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,820
Well, I mean, you, it all depends on

986
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:41,760
what equipment you have.

987
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,560
What, uh, what instrumentation?

988
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:44,820
I mean, all this stuff is glass.

989
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,740
These things fly themselves.

990
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:48,460
That's the beauty of it.

991
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,200
It flies itself.

992
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,240
But there's no fun in that.

993
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,620
So you hand fly a lot anyway.

994
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:54,020
So yes, I'll be going to podcast movement.

995
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,720
There we go.

996
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:55,160
Nice.

997
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,440
Yeah, well, there we go.

998
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,160
Um, I think the, uh, the big conversation

999
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,660
in, uh, over on, I know you're not

1000
00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:04,540
be happy.

1001
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,260
You're not a member of the, uh, podcast

1002
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:09,320
discourse hub on WhatsApp.

1003
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:11,480
Oh, I really don't want to be in

1004
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,540
the, whatever that is.

1005
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,600
No, but, um, interesting conversations.

1006
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Um, you know, man, I have such heart

1007
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,280
for the, for the hosting companies.

1008
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,780
What a business that is, you know, the

1009
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:25,780
amount of churn that they have to deal

1010
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:28,860
with people who come in, especially if you

1011
00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:31,260
have a free tier, everyone's starting a free

1012
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:33,340
tier and then they just die off and

1013
00:30:33,340 --> 00:30:34,120
don't do anything.

1014
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,680
And, you know, so basically it ate up

1015
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600
resources, you know, that you never get paid

1016
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,000
for.

1017
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:42,640
Um, but the, but the big talk is

1018
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,080
HLS video or HLS, I guess, in general,

1019
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:46,180
audio and video.

1020
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,960
Have you kept up with, uh, with these

1021
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,580
conversations?

1022
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:53,280
Uh, no, I got, um, I got an

1023
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760
email, uh, from Kevin over at Buzzsprout saying

1024
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,180
that, uh, they're going to be talking about

1025
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:59,940
some stuff in the, in the, in the

1026
00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:00,480
namespace.

1027
00:31:01,540 --> 00:31:03,380
Um, in the namespace, are they going to

1028
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:05,020
sit in the namespace repo?

1029
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,140
Oh, in the repo.

1030
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:08,560
Just sit in the namespace and just have

1031
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,960
her ever look at blockchain cook marshmallows or

1032
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,460
we're here in the namespace.

1033
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,800
I'm not, I've been, I've been so focused

1034
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,900
on the, uh, getting the images tag.

1035
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,620
I really haven't paid any attention to any

1036
00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:21,560
conversation that's happened.

1037
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Yeah.

1038
00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:25,100
Well, um, they're all looking at it and,

1039
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:30,340
uh, um, a fountain already eats it, which

1040
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:30,880
is good.

1041
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,780
And I, I think they're doing, uh, you

1042
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:37,160
know, with the fountain RSS blue gold bundle

1043
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,680
package hosting, uh, I think they're, they're going

1044
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,160
to be serving HLS video.

1045
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,320
That would make a lot of sense if

1046
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,340
they have both ends of it.

1047
00:31:44,660 --> 00:31:48,600
And I'm pretty sure that Sam Sethi is,

1048
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:50,740
I think he's, you know, he's going to

1049
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,040
be doing, he's going to do the full

1050
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,800
end to end too.

1051
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:54,120
He's going to do hosting as well.

1052
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Okay.

1053
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,480
Yeah.

1054
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:57,980
I think, yeah, I think I saw that.

1055
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,180
Yeah.

1056
00:31:58,260 --> 00:31:58,560
Yeah.

1057
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,040
So he's going to do HLS video.

1058
00:32:00,140 --> 00:32:02,140
I'm just hoping that it's not like, uh,

1059
00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:06,160
you know, the thing is, it's almost like

1060
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,500
VHS beta max to me.

1061
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:12,680
You know, just because you can do video

1062
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,160
doesn't mean that people will migrate to video

1063
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,080
on podcasts.

1064
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,900
I'm just not sure that, that that is

1065
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:21,960
the culture anymore.

1066
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,260
If it ever was, I mean, sure.

1067
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:26,080
Lots of people have put video into their

1068
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,000
podcast feeds.

1069
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Um, uh, the new media show has done

1070
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,980
it for over a decade.

1071
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,220
Uh, I still only listen to audio and

1072
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:38,760
it's always fun listening to audio, uh, then

1073
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,500
listening to Todd complain about the video not

1074
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:41,860
working.

1075
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Okay.

1076
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Um, I'm just not sure, you know, and

1077
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,140
I, I appreciate power to them all.

1078
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:49,940
I appreciate it.

1079
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,180
But I wish we could put some energy

1080
00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:54,640
and dev cycles into some other things.

1081
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:56,000
That's just me.

1082
00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:05,250
Um, you know, you're torn.

1083
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:05,910
I can tell.

1084
00:33:06,770 --> 00:33:09,370
Well, I mean, I don't know.

1085
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:11,130
Maybe I'm not sure I'm torn.

1086
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:15,400
I'm just like, who knows?

1087
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,200
I mean, I, I don't, I don't know

1088
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,100
that we can predict anything really.

1089
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,900
I mean, I don't, I watch a lot

1090
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:26,180
of you.

1091
00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:27,240
I want to, I watch a lot of

1092
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,620
YouTube and, and I've been trying to sort

1093
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:36,280
of figure out what exactly it is that

1094
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,600
I'm looking for.

1095
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,740
When I watch you, when I go to

1096
00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:40,220
YouTube.

1097
00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:42,420
Porn porn.

1098
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:50,280
Uh, yeah, uh, they see how to, how

1099
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,020
to approach this here.

1100
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,600
But I listened to a lot of podcasts

1101
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,420
and a lot of YouTube and I watch

1102
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:56,080
a lot of YouTube.

1103
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,900
And so clearly they're not the same because

1104
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:02,980
I'm doing both.

1105
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,700
It's sort of like saying, I watch, I

1106
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,159
listened to a lot of music and I

1107
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,300
watch a lot of movies.

1108
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,159
You're doing two different things right now.

1109
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,520
I real, I realized the Venn diagram of

1110
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,139
podcasting and YouTube does overlap in a certain

1111
00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:24,600
way because there are shows that it's literally

1112
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,739
the same content on their podcast as it

1113
00:34:28,739 --> 00:34:31,880
is on their YouTube video, just without the,

1114
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,380
just with the video removed.

1115
00:34:36,739 --> 00:34:41,880
Um, the, so I understood that.

1116
00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:46,920
So it's, they're different, but they don't have

1117
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,159
to be, uh, excuse me.

1118
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,900
They're distinct, they're distinct, but they may not

1119
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:53,420
be necessarily different.

1120
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,180
And so that's the way I approached it.

1121
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:58,800
I was like, well, um, I've been trying

1122
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,740
to pay attention to what, when I go

1123
00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:04,480
to YouTube, what, what am I looking for?

1124
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Like, why am I there?

1125
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,560
And, and I realized that most of what

1126
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,220
I'm there for can fall under two categories.

1127
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:20,720
Um, how to do a thing like an

1128
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,380
instruction, instructional type video.

1129
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,580
And that would, that's a broad category that

1130
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:29,740
includes not just, uh, hey, I want to,

1131
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:31,400
I want, I want to build a closet

1132
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:31,940
organizer.

1133
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,400
How do I do it from scratch?

1134
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,740
But also encompasses, um, here's how to use

1135
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:47,320
this new Python library or here's like explainer

1136
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,700
videos.

1137
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,440
Here's an explanation of the way, uh, larval,

1138
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,900
uh, larval 12 works and how you would

1139
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:57,640
upgrade an app from 11 to 12.

1140
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,340
And I would presume you're doing that on

1141
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,740
desktop because that stuff gets a little too

1142
00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:02,700
tiny on the phone.

1143
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,660
Yes.

1144
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:04,120
Yes.

1145
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,720
I almost, I almost never watch YouTube on

1146
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:07,160
the phone.

1147
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:09,880
Uh, the only time I ever do that

1148
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,460
is, um, is if there is a specific

1149
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:19,200
video and I'm under some sort of pressure

1150
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,480
to get a piece of content quickly.

1151
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,620
And that's all I can find.

1152
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920
I I've paid, I've, I mean, I've paid

1153
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,640
a lot of attention.

1154
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:30,780
I've looked very closely at behavior for over

1155
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:32,680
20 years of what people do.

1156
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:37,440
And I find that people who believe they

1157
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:44,400
consume podcasts on YouTube really, uh, aren't, um,

1158
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,340
they may get, you know, the whole mechanism

1159
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:50,460
still works differently with what you're, what you're

1160
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:52,600
following, what you're, you know, who you're following,

1161
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,100
what you have the alarm bell set for,

1162
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:55,500
et cetera.

1163
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:58,380
So there's a, there's part of the serialized

1164
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:00,360
nature, but what I see.

1165
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,900
So Tina is a great example.

1166
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:05,160
She, and she has her phases of Megyn

1167
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Kelly.

1168
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:07,020
Megyn Kelly goes in and out.

1169
00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:09,340
Megyn Kelly's talking about, you know, the show

1170
00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:10,060
business thing.

1171
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,260
She may not be that interested, but what

1172
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:15,180
gets pushed to the top often in her

1173
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:18,280
feed or whenever she opens up YouTube will

1174
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,600
be clips, shorts and clips from the Megyn

1175
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,240
Kelly show.

1176
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,580
And she winds up watching 15 minute segments

1177
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:26,780
instead of the whole show.

1178
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:29,640
And I think, I think that that's a

1179
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,240
big part of the difference with, uh, with

1180
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,560
the YouTube podcasting experience.

1181
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,620
Also, you know, so Chad F says, you

1182
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:38,840
know, I'm watching kill Tony.

1183
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:42,380
I think a comedy show, uh, a live

1184
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:43,940
comedy show on stage.

1185
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,340
That is, that is so much more when

1186
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:48,300
you have video.

1187
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,500
I mean, it, it, a comic, it helps

1188
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:52,280
to see the comic, I would say eight

1189
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,140
times out of 10.

1190
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:55,140
And you're going, I agree with that.

1191
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:57,100
And that's much more of a YouTube show.

1192
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,940
Now you may consume it like a podcast,

1193
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,820
but remember I wrote it on the tablets.

1194
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,820
Podcasting is audio.

1195
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:05,540
That's just it.

1196
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,940
Now a podcast feed is valid with anything

1197
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:09,960
you put in the enclosure.

1198
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,100
I'm okay with that.

1199
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:15,820
I just am not convinced for any reason

1200
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:20,260
that people will be using their podcast apps

1201
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:22,620
to consume video on a regular basis.

1202
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000
I mean, it's great if you have a

1203
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,940
feed and you have a Roku app and

1204
00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:29,840
people can get it there or something, you

1205
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,960
know, something of that nature.

1206
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,100
Um, but I think people, I mean, it

1207
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,040
may, it may even be that the podcast,

1208
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:39,860
the audio version, I have this myself when

1209
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:41,880
I, you know, for me, it's all serendipity.

1210
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,720
I look at my feed.

1211
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:43,980
Oh, there's a new Joe Rogan.

1212
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:47,220
Cause Joe Rogan is never really, um, it's

1213
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:48,680
never really a schedule.

1214
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,320
It's like you get three in a row,

1215
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,000
then three days of nothing.

1216
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
And then, you know, one and then two

1217
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960
days later, one, it doesn't really seem to

1218
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,220
be rhyme or reason to it.

1219
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:00,700
So I'll see it like, oh, and I'll

1220
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:01,360
start listening.

1221
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,060
And if it's a guest that I want

1222
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:05,600
to see, I may switch over to YouTube.

1223
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,700
But not on the phone.

1224
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,340
You know, then I'll sit at my computer

1225
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:10,900
and then, and I'll sit at my computer.

1226
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,120
I'm like, wow, I could be doing so

1227
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,920
much more with my life than watching this,

1228
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:15,880
you know?

1229
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,340
And so then I'll probably go back to

1230
00:39:17,340 --> 00:39:17,740
audio.

1231
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,580
So I'm just not convinced.

1232
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,120
It's a, it's that important.

1233
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,060
I think this is still a remnant of

1234
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:26,760
people believing that YouTube has stolen podcasting far

1235
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,480
from it, far from it.

1236
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,380
That there's a video I posted in the

1237
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:32,820
boardroom.

1238
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:35,400
The title of it is unhinged rant about

1239
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,500
YouTube getting worse.

1240
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520
It was not as unhinged as I was

1241
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,220
hoping it would be.

1242
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:41,800
So I was going to pull some clips,

1243
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,100
but it just kind of was, it was

1244
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:43,960
kind of unclipable.

1245
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
So I just, I didn't.

1246
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,300
But I mean, what, one of the, one

1247
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:53,440
of the things he talks about in there

1248
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,940
is that YouTube is inserting, is turning on

1249
00:39:58,940 --> 00:40:00,740
ad, mid-roll ads.

1250
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:01,340
Mm-hmm.

1251
00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:04,420
And some, you know, like sometimes you don't

1252
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:07,360
even, you as the, as the channel owner,

1253
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,400
creator, don't, they just turn it on without

1254
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,440
your knowledge, you know, knowledge of what they

1255
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:11,700
do.

1256
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:12,240
They do it.

1257
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:13,040
Someone does it.

1258
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,720
And then you get, yeah.

1259
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,700
And then you get 12 mid-rolls in

1260
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,400
a, in a 20 minute video.

1261
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:18,440
That's pretty annoying.

1262
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:24,380
And so the, um, so, and that was

1263
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:27,400
the, the other thing is, is AI, um,

1264
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,640
AI, AI commenters.

1265
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,020
AI videos in general, just type in any

1266
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:35,520
topic and you'll see the first 20 are

1267
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,460
all AI generated videos.

1268
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:38,400
Right.

1269
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,300
AI voice, AI video.

1270
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,200
It's, it's highly annoying.

1271
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,560
And so, and he's, he talks about, you

1272
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,040
know, this is kind of apropos to what

1273
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,680
we were talking about last week with, uh,

1274
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,900
with chat, with live chat, AI, um, commenters

1275
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:57,540
in YouTube, in YouTube live chat.

1276
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:00,060
And they just, they get in there and

1277
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,920
there's like, he was, he was quoting very

1278
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,880
high numbers, you know, like 80% of

1279
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
the YouTube live chat is just AI bots

1280
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,400
now.

1281
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:08,560
Oh, really?

1282
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:10,440
You can, yeah, you can tell because they

1283
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,920
all use the same avatars.

1284
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,860
They're all like avatars of like hot chicks.

1285
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:16,140
Oh, how annoying.

1286
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,260
Yeah.

1287
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:19,400
He said, you can, you can disable three

1288
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,380
different avatar.

1289
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,640
He said, you can block three different avatars

1290
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,180
and you get rid of like 80%

1291
00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:25,320
of your comments all at once.

1292
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,500
They're all using the same avatars, but, um,

1293
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:34,580
I mean, so this, this is all, and

1294
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:36,420
so there, so how do you, how do

1295
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:37,200
you interpret that?

1296
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:40,040
I mean, one thing you can say, one,

1297
00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:41,920
one thing that's obvious to me is that

1298
00:41:43,580 --> 00:41:45,640
part of this is at least because YouTube

1299
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,460
is free.

1300
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,900
Well, if I can just say, I will

1301
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,820
wager that unleashing bots on your own live

1302
00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:56,620
chat or on your chat, regardless of whether

1303
00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:58,480
it's live or not, I will wager that

1304
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,940
pushes you up in the algorithm.

1305
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:01,860
That's the reason why they're doing it.

1306
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,060
Oh, you're probably right.

1307
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,540
Engagement.

1308
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:04,920
Yeah.

1309
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:08,620
And because I got, I got some very

1310
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:12,260
interesting messages from people about the talk we

1311
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:16,300
had about, um, basically chat in live or

1312
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,320
chat in general.

1313
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Uh, one of them was from, uh, Rob

1314
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,340
from Focus.

1315
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:22,620
Hmm.

1316
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:24,880
And he says, you know, we're not live,

1317
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,620
but we're so interested in being able to

1318
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:28,300
have.

1319
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,640
And he, I, the feeling I got from

1320
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,020
him, cause it was just a text message

1321
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,900
back and forth was because everyone understands the,

1322
00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:37,620
uh, everyone understands the moderation issue.

1323
00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:39,540
The last thing you want is to have

1324
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:42,560
to go in and moderate, you know, comments

1325
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,360
on a show.

1326
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:44,380
Oh, awful.

1327
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:48,660
But when it's an ephemeral chat, man, that's

1328
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:49,160
so great.

1329
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,100
Cause it scrolls, it scrolls and it's gone.

1330
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,800
Like that horrible thing someone said is gone.

1331
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:54,960
It just goes away.

1332
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,220
It's more about the audience, the live studio

1333
00:42:58,220 --> 00:43:00,660
audience being able to interact with the person

1334
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,680
if they're doing it live and with each

1335
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,160
other when they're just watching it.

1336
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:06,920
And I don't see a need for it

1337
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,820
to be comments that stay there forever.

1338
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,240
You know, I was like, ah, I also

1339
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,660
find that highly annoying.

1340
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:14,620
I won't go, Rogan won't look at his

1341
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:14,960
comments.

1342
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,060
He says, I don't look at comments.

1343
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:16,320
Why?

1344
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,440
They only get me mad.

1345
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,780
That's absolutely the case.

1346
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:21,100
Yeah.

1347
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:27,320
I mean, the, it's, if you have, if

1348
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,020
you have a free platform like YouTube, you,

1349
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:33,860
you're going to get that kind of stuff.

1350
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,400
But the one thing that I could, you

1351
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,400
know, the one thing that podcasting has going

1352
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,920
for it is that it's not free.

1353
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,440
Right.

1354
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,280
I mean, to, to have a podcast, you

1355
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,860
have to pay somebody most of the time,

1356
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,380
you know, Spotify, Spotify for creators slash anchor.

1357
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:51,780
That's, that's the exception.

1358
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Um, you know, they're willing to, you know,

1359
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,380
under, so underwrite the freeness of that platform,

1360
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:01,700
but then they also suffer for it because

1361
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,820
they've got millions of spam feeds bull crap

1362
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:06,140
on there that are just garbage.

1363
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,440
So they're, they're paying the price for that.

1364
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,420
But if you're, if you're, you know, if

1365
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:12,180
you want to do a podcast and have

1366
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,220
your, you know, 90% of the time

1367
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:16,060
you have to pay a hosting fee.

1368
00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:16,640
Yeah.

1369
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:17,760
And if you're going to be hosting a

1370
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,700
video podcast, you're going to have to pay

1371
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,680
a higher hosting fee more.

1372
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:23,180
Yeah.

1373
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,220
So if you're paying $50 a month, like

1374
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:29,200
the signal to noise ratio within the video

1375
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,500
podcasting realm would be very high.

1376
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,980
You would hope it would be.

1377
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,160
I mean, like, it's not cause I mean,

1378
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:37,240
that's a high barrier to entry for spammers.

1379
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Um, well, but, but, but yeah, but, but

1380
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,360
yes, but there's no benefit to the spamming.

1381
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,780
There's no algorithm that's going to rank you

1382
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:48,760
higher anywhere just because you have more people

1383
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,140
chatting.

1384
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
It's still free for users to chat and

1385
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,000
they can still do whatever they want to

1386
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,500
do there.

1387
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:59,340
But the incentive model is clearly, is just

1388
00:44:59,340 --> 00:45:04,400
clearly, uh, monetary based upon more engagement in

1389
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,040
your content.

1390
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
That's the same thing is happening to Spotify.

1391
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,140
I was watching, uh, what's that guy who

1392
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,900
breaks down music all the time?

1393
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,620
Older guy in the studio.

1394
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:14,900
I like him a lot.

1395
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:15,920
Oh, Rick Beato.

1396
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:16,660
Beato.

1397
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Beato.

1398
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:17,800
Is that his name?

1399
00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:18,660
I think so.

1400
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:18,800
Yeah.

1401
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,340
I'm pretty sure you're the white hair guy.

1402
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1403
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:24,340
Um, so he says, you know, look at

1404
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:26,740
what's happening with, with Spotify.

1405
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:31,220
There's all these fake bands that appear and

1406
00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:33,500
they have, you know, they even have videos

1407
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,280
they've got, you know, band shots, cover album

1408
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,200
art, and they're completely 100% AI.

1409
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,300
And, you know, and they have hundreds of

1410
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:45,420
thousands, if not millions of listens.

1411
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:47,100
Yeah.

1412
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:47,660
Yeah.

1413
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,360
And, and I, you know what, they're real

1414
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:49,860
listens.

1415
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,700
Uh, but, but all that money goes directly

1416
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,980
to Spotify because Spotify, as far as I'm

1417
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:57,240
concerned, I have no proof.

1418
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:59,240
Spotify is behind most of this.

1419
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,140
This is all about the royalties and I'm

1420
00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:02,220
sure they get better placement.

1421
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,840
You know, they'll push that, they'll push that

1422
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,200
ahead.

1423
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:08,880
Well, that's what some, I think, uh, I

1424
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,840
forgot what channel it is.

1425
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,180
I may have been on Rick Beata's channel

1426
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:12,100
a couple of years ago.

1427
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,100
That's, he was describing the phenomenon of you

1428
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,560
start, you search for a specific artist and

1429
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,720
start to listen to them.

1430
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,660
And then, um, when it auto, when it

1431
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,860
goes into its autoplay form where it starts

1432
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:27,020
to give you other things, it's always stuff

1433
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:28,460
you've never heard of before.

1434
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:28,640
Yeah.

1435
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Like I hate, I hate, I hate to

1436
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,560
do this to you, Dave.

1437
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,740
Can you give me 45 seconds while I

1438
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:35,660
go check my brisket?

1439
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:37,260
Yeah.

1440
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,160
I'm really sorry.

1441
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:38,820
Yeah.

1442
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:39,800
Wrap it, wrap it.

1443
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:40,920
It's 4th of July, man.

1444
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:42,440
Just, just, just, I just got to stick

1445
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,160
the thermometer in.

1446
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,540
I'll be back in 45 seconds.

1447
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:44,940
Hold on.

1448
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,060
I'm back.

1449
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,120
How's the brisket?

1450
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,440
183 and I need to go up to

1451
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,420
182.

1452
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,580
So it's perfect.

1453
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:55,620
Perfect timing.

1454
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,140
You pulling at 182?

1455
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,660
Yeah.

1456
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:59,380
192, 192.

1457
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,260
Uh, a one, yeah.

1458
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:04,100
One, I thought 182 seemed a little low

1459
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,040
or, yeah, you don't go all the way

1460
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:06,700
to 205.

1461
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,320
No, no.

1462
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,300
Listen to Chad F.

1463
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,500
Oh, this is Dave's solo show.

1464
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:11,860
The one we've always wanted.

1465
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:14,840
I promise you don't want that show.

1466
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:15,600
Thanks, Chad.

1467
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:16,320
That's not a show anybody wants.

1468
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,200
I feel so loved.

1469
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:18,260
I feel so loved.

1470
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,720
Um, I just, I mean, so this is

1471
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,080
my mixed feeling about, about this is I,

1472
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,260
I don't want, I, I feel like it

1473
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:35,560
will not succeed, but at the same time.

1474
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,300
What are you, what are you talking?

1475
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:36,960
Are you still on?

1476
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:37,880
What are you talking about?

1477
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:38,480
Yeah.

1478
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:39,300
Video podcast.

1479
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:39,780
Yes.

1480
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,640
I feel like, I feel like video podcasts

1481
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,000
are not really going to succeed as a

1482
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,980
thing, but at the same time, I want

1483
00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:49,200
to see them try it.

1484
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:51,540
Like I just have a, I have a

1485
00:47:51,540 --> 00:47:54,900
dual sort of have two things in my

1486
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:55,760
head at the same time.

1487
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:58,920
I want to see people try, because I

1488
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,680
may be wrong.

1489
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,180
Yeah.

1490
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:01,840
It may be a smash hit.

1491
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,180
I don't think it will be, but it

1492
00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:05,540
may.

1493
00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:06,380
It could be.

1494
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:07,220
It could be.

1495
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,380
I mean, it's possible.

1496
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,300
I mean, what I was saying earlier is

1497
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,840
that, you know, that you've got that how

1498
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,040
to type video and then you've also got

1499
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,880
sort of pure entertainment that requires a visual

1500
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,480
component.

1501
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:24,380
Yeah, sure.

1502
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:26,540
Like television.

1503
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:30,900
Yeah, but it's a specific type of television.

1504
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:37,400
Like it's, it's more like, um, oh man,

1505
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,080
how would you describe?

1506
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,460
So like one thing I like to do

1507
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:45,420
is I like to put on, uh, there's

1508
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:47,220
a class, there's sort of a, there's a,

1509
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:50,720
a guy that does what they call silent

1510
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:51,220
hikes.

1511
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:53,360
I don't know if you've seen that kind

1512
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,240
of thing, but it's, um, it's basically just

1513
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,840
a, he'll, he'll go, he'll go backpacking in

1514
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,960
beautiful places in the area on earth.

1515
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,900
And then, but there just won't be any,

1516
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:05,740
any talking.

1517
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,740
It's just him.

1518
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,080
It's almost like a documentary of him just

1519
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,820
going through these beautiful places and showing, you

1520
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:14,400
know, it's just a day in the life

1521
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,680
of him.

1522
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,640
Sounds like a great audio podcast.

1523
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:19,820
I mean, it would be completely useless as

1524
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:22,120
audio, but I like to put that on

1525
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,700
like over in a off screen.

1526
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:27,020
I can't, I can't have words when I

1527
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:27,320
work.

1528
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,480
No, I can't.

1529
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,980
It's so distracting.

1530
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,920
So podcasts are out while I'm, while I'm

1531
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,220
actually doing any kind of real work, a

1532
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:36,260
podcast or not.

1533
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:38,720
I mean, I mean like coding or, or,

1534
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,360
or it work, I can't concentrate.

1535
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,700
So I like to put on something that

1536
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:45,760
is just sort of like a background noise.

1537
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,540
And occasionally I'll just look, I'll look over

1538
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:50,140
at it and just have, you know, a

1539
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:50,960
moment.

1540
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:56,240
I'll have a moment and, uh, and it's

1541
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:56,580
nice.

1542
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:59,660
But that just, and it would be nice

1543
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:02,000
to have a video like that as a

1544
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,640
podcast.

1545
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,140
Well, I think the bottom line is it

1546
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:07,880
still comes down to screen size.

1547
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:10,700
The content that works on video on mobile

1548
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:14,280
is going to be a podcast that you

1549
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,120
could watch or just listen to.

1550
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,720
It's going to be something that is very

1551
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,620
specific for like talking heads, talking heads or

1552
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:26,000
dancing.

1553
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,800
I think TikTok basically, if you look at

1554
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,940
TikTok, you know, it's, it's all the camera

1555
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,360
shots, it's all mid to close.

1556
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,300
Um, or it may, it may zoom out

1557
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:39,280
for dancing, you know, stuff like that.

1558
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:44,560
Uh, but it's just for storytelling, et cetera.

1559
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,680
You're going to watch that on, on a

1560
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,640
computer or on your television screen.

1561
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,520
I just don't see it as a, as

1562
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,260
a great mobile experience, except for the doom

1563
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:56,400
scrolling of TikTok, you know, people like, hi

1564
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:56,820
everybody.

1565
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:58,360
I didn't, I really didn't want to talk

1566
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,600
about this, but I've got to tell you

1567
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200
my dog died and you know, and all

1568
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,980
that kind of stuff.

1569
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,980
Um, it's personality driven, you know, one person

1570
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:08,500
sitting right in the middle of the screen,

1571
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:10,200
uh, makeup tips.

1572
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,440
Maybe that would work.

1573
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:14,460
The other, well, the other part of this,

1574
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,520
that's a, this sort of, um, seems to

1575
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,440
me to be an unsolvable problem, uh, is

1576
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,660
that, well, maybe that's not the right, maybe

1577
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:27,240
unsolvable.

1578
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:28,360
It's not the right way to say it.

1579
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,850
Um, let me, let me just describe what

1580
00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:33,170
I'm thinking.

1581
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:35,730
So that, that second, okay.

1582
00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:37,450
So that first class of video, you're, you're

1583
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:39,650
doing a, a, a sort of a how

1584
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:41,890
to type, here's how this thing works video,

1585
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:42,250
right?

1586
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:45,470
That naturally lends itself to like baked in

1587
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:48,570
post reads for advertising.

1588
00:51:49,110 --> 00:51:50,890
The second type of video where you're watching

1589
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:53,030
some sort of like documentary or more like

1590
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:57,370
film style thing that really doesn't know.

1591
00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:59,430
I mean, you don't want to be mid

1592
00:51:59,430 --> 00:52:01,230
rolls, kill that experience.

1593
00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:02,990
It takes you completely out of it.

1594
00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:06,150
You're, it's not a good experience for the

1595
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:07,130
watcher.

1596
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:10,130
And so that's going to be, so you're

1597
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:12,330
going to have, and the way YouTube does

1598
00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,910
that is they monetize those videos back to

1599
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:19,030
the creator of the video with a revenue

1600
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:22,470
share from YouTube premium subscribers.

1601
00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:26,310
Though that sort of setup doesn't work, doesn't

1602
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:30,070
exist in podcasting where you have subscribers to,

1603
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:30,670
right.

1604
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:33,730
And to the entire platform that's called podcasting,

1605
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:38,430
you have individual apps and that's, that's the

1606
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:43,050
individual apps, true fan, true fans, a fountain,

1607
00:52:43,390 --> 00:52:47,230
a podcast guru, you know, the, these individual

1608
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:53,970
apps that allow for a funding tag and

1609
00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:54,430
that kind of thing.

1610
00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,690
Those would have to really become the drivers

1611
00:52:58,690 --> 00:53:01,970
of these because you would have, that's the

1612
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,430
only way you're going to be able to

1613
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:04,550
monetize those videos.

1614
00:53:04,550 --> 00:53:06,690
I just don't think advertising for a video

1615
00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:08,330
like that in a podcast is even really

1616
00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:09,350
going to work that well.

1617
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:12,150
I don't know.

1618
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:12,610
It's just hard.

1619
00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:14,830
It's a hard nut to crack, but I

1620
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:16,910
do want, I want to see them try.

1621
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,570
I want, I want to be proven wrong

1622
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:19,090
about this.

1623
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:24,330
And you know, fountain has just enabled pure

1624
00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:27,130
Fiat V4V in their app.

1625
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:29,250
So I didn't know that.

1626
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:29,790
Yeah.

1627
00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:30,270
Yeah.

1628
00:53:30,430 --> 00:53:31,910
Oscar ping me about it.

1629
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:33,810
And cause you know, with Korean, the keeper

1630
00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:34,890
is doing the test for that.

1631
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:35,990
It's actually pretty successful.

1632
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:37,570
Yeah.

1633
00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:39,770
And so, you know, if you're using fountain,

1634
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:41,350
you can just tap on it and you

1635
00:53:41,350 --> 00:53:42,850
can put in any amount you want and

1636
00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:44,730
send it off V4V and it goes direct

1637
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:45,790
to our Stripe account.

1638
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:48,310
And I said, well, that'd be great if

1639
00:53:48,310 --> 00:53:50,190
I could use it on a no agenda.

1640
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:51,550
He says, you know, we're going to figure

1641
00:53:51,550 --> 00:53:52,830
out how to get that into the, how

1642
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:54,350
you can put that into the funding tag.

1643
00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:55,710
Okay.

1644
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:57,350
I'm all for it.

1645
00:53:57,350 --> 00:53:57,710
Great.

1646
00:53:58,090 --> 00:53:59,770
I wish we did more with the funding

1647
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:00,110
tag.

1648
00:54:00,170 --> 00:54:00,970
I really do.

1649
00:54:00,970 --> 00:54:02,470
Oh, it's critical.

1650
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:03,970
It's it's critical.

1651
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:06,470
And it's the way it's the way if,

1652
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:09,330
if, if, if video podcasting is going to

1653
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:12,170
work, the fund, the funding tag has to

1654
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:12,470
be part.

1655
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:13,590
That's a very good point.

1656
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:14,510
Yeah.

1657
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:15,430
A very good point.

1658
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:16,610
They are linked.

1659
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:17,330
Yeah.

1660
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:18,270
In my opinion.

1661
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:20,710
And it works so well when you have

1662
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:21,550
it in the app.

1663
00:54:21,610 --> 00:54:24,730
I mean, and we currently keeper still gets

1664
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:26,750
the majority of people sending booster grams.

1665
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:31,690
But, and, and, you know, of course it

1666
00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:33,570
screws it up because, you know, now you're

1667
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:34,970
not reading it in the same place.

1668
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:36,170
You got to go somewhere else to look

1669
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:37,750
if someone's in a note, but all that,

1670
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:39,270
I think we'll get integrated eventually.

1671
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:41,690
But Nathan's right.

1672
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:42,770
And Nathan's right.

1673
00:54:42,850 --> 00:54:45,850
It's between funding L402 alternate enclosures chat.

1674
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:47,530
I think someone could build a Twitch like

1675
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:48,830
hosting consumption experience.

1676
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:49,050
Yeah.

1677
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:49,830
Yeah.

1678
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:51,370
Well, I think that's what Fountain is going

1679
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:51,850
to try.

1680
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:53,150
Yeah.

1681
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:55,810
I mean, TrueFans kind of has already built.

1682
00:54:55,830 --> 00:54:56,730
TrueFans already built it.

1683
00:54:56,730 --> 00:54:57,010
Yeah.

1684
00:54:57,950 --> 00:55:00,510
Once they get their app, the world will

1685
00:55:00,510 --> 00:55:00,930
change.

1686
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:04,430
Um, I think, didn't they release in the

1687
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:04,830
app store?

1688
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:05,830
They're out of beta, right?

1689
00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:06,350
Right.

1690
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:08,730
I don't have the, I, I was told

1691
00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:10,030
I was going to get on the Android

1692
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:11,310
beta, but I haven't seen it.

1693
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:14,950
Maybe they're not, maybe I got a notice

1694
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:17,930
about it, but maybe they're just open beta

1695
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:19,810
and not invite only now or something.

1696
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:22,050
I'll have to go back and look.

1697
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:27,830
Um, but the, uh, the images tag there,

1698
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:31,510
the image tag, that's, that's formal now it's

1699
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:32,210
in the namespace.

1700
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:33,330
Oh, good.

1701
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:34,670
And what do we need to know?

1702
00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:35,790
That's done.

1703
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:36,450
That's done.

1704
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:37,290
Finally.

1705
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:38,950
It only took a year, but it's done.

1706
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:45,890
Um, I mean, how, how should I go

1707
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:46,350
over it?

1708
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:48,850
Should I mean, I'm sure we're all familiar

1709
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:49,570
with it, but.

1710
00:55:51,790 --> 00:55:54,250
Um, made a cut, let's see, I made

1711
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:55,650
a couple of, I thought you were going

1712
00:55:55,650 --> 00:55:57,010
to do a blog post about it.

1713
00:55:57,790 --> 00:55:58,830
Oh, I am for sure.

1714
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:59,070
Okay.

1715
00:55:59,250 --> 00:55:59,350
Yes.

1716
00:55:59,390 --> 00:56:00,370
Yeah, definitely.

1717
00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:03,170
Uh, let me see where to, where to

1718
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:03,970
kind of start on this.

1719
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:06,350
Um, oh yeah.

1720
00:56:06,350 --> 00:56:08,270
So true fans is on the app store.

1721
00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:08,770
Nice.

1722
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:09,810
Yeah.

1723
00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:10,950
I thought they were in, I thought they

1724
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:11,490
were open now.

1725
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:17,510
Uh, so the, the difference, oh, is that

1726
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:17,890
right?

1727
00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:19,410
Nathan, did you, yeah, you did a video

1728
00:56:19,410 --> 00:56:19,550
of it.

1729
00:56:19,570 --> 00:56:19,750
Yeah.

1730
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:25,550
So Nick, so Nathan came through, uh, Nathan

1731
00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:28,010
Gathwright, the, the author of this, of this

1732
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:31,150
tag, a few things here.

1733
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:32,610
Let's let's, let's explain this.

1734
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:36,130
Um, Nathan is primary author of this tag

1735
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:40,210
and he came through a couple of days

1736
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:44,650
ago with a demo page that is linked

1737
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:47,270
to in the namespace on this tag.

1738
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:50,650
And I'm trying a couple of things differently

1739
00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:51,130
here.

1740
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:54,870
Um, let me go over to it image.

1741
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:56,750
Yeah, there we go.

1742
00:56:58,070 --> 00:57:00,950
Let me paste it in copy, think paste.

1743
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:02,230
All right.

1744
00:57:02,330 --> 00:57:09,130
So the, the tag has, um, a link

1745
00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:12,930
in it to this demo tool for lack

1746
00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:14,850
of a better term that, that Nathan built.

1747
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:17,590
So you can click, you can click out

1748
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:20,350
to that, to that tool and then you

1749
00:57:20,350 --> 00:57:23,450
can pick, you can upload images and then

1750
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:24,330
it doesn't really upload.

1751
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:26,230
I think it just all in browser, but

1752
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:29,470
you can select images and then it will

1753
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:32,030
lay it, it will, it'll show you mock

1754
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:35,390
-ups of the various images and the way

1755
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:37,850
they're going to look in different formats.

1756
00:57:37,850 --> 00:57:43,110
Uh, and then you can click the code

1757
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:45,890
button and it'll show you the XML for

1758
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:47,930
the podcast image tag that you need to

1759
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:51,110
use in your feed.

1760
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:53,950
I'm putting this on the show notes.

1761
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:58,790
So you, you can essentially play around with

1762
00:57:58,790 --> 00:58:01,930
different, with different looks and then get the

1763
00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:04,270
code, get the XML for what you're trying

1764
00:58:04,270 --> 00:58:06,590
to do, which makes this.

1765
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:08,690
Oh, that's really, yeah.

1766
00:58:08,770 --> 00:58:09,490
That's very cool.

1767
00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:10,090
Yeah.

1768
00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:10,650
Very cool.

1769
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:13,250
Now it's not exhaustive because this is a

1770
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:14,850
big tag that has a lot, you know,

1771
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:19,490
that has a million different use case scenarios.

1772
00:58:20,350 --> 00:58:21,570
So it's not exhaustive.

1773
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:23,530
The tool itself is not exhaustive, but it

1774
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:24,830
will, it will get you started.

1775
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:25,170
Yeah.

1776
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:26,450
I'm putting that in the show notes as

1777
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:26,910
well.

1778
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:27,410
Cool.

1779
00:58:27,830 --> 00:58:31,550
And there's tons of examples in the name,

1780
00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:34,690
in the tag, uh, the tag write up.

1781
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:39,990
Uh, showing everything from just very simple all

1782
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:42,410
the way up to, you know, like the

1783
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:46,430
most complicated example of purposes and aspect ratios

1784
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:49,150
and everything, video and all this.

1785
00:58:51,370 --> 00:58:54,730
Um, so let me just run, let me

1786
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:55,390
just run down.

1787
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:58,810
So this, the podcast image tag, it can

1788
00:58:58,810 --> 00:58:59,890
exist in the channel.

1789
00:58:59,990 --> 00:59:01,670
So that means it would apply to the

1790
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:02,350
entire feed.

1791
00:59:02,350 --> 00:59:02,890
Mm-hmm.

1792
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:05,330
It can exist in an item, meaning it

1793
00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:06,970
is at the, at the episode level, or

1794
00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:08,750
it can exist in a podcast live item.

1795
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:16,310
Um, the, there can be multiple obviously, because

1796
00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:19,190
that's what, that's one of the, uh, the

1797
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:21,090
superpowers of this tag is that it can,

1798
00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:26,230
uh, so let me, let me pause going

1799
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:31,170
back to, um, Tom, Tom, Tom Webster made

1800
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:32,970
a comment and I'm not throwing him under

1801
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:33,430
the bus here.

1802
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:35,050
I'm just, I just go ahead.

1803
00:59:35,290 --> 00:59:37,950
He just, I just want to, I just

1804
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:39,390
want to call out this line of thinking

1805
00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:39,950
for a second.

1806
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:41,990
Cause I think, I think there was a

1807
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:42,150
miss.

1808
00:59:42,490 --> 00:59:44,290
This has been part of the problem with

1809
00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:46,790
why it took this tag so long to

1810
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:47,970
come to fruition.

1811
00:59:48,730 --> 00:59:50,590
He just made an offhand comment.

1812
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:51,770
He said, well, you know, we should be

1813
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:52,890
focusing on blah, blah, blah.

1814
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:59,030
Rather than a duplicative image tag, meaning that

1815
00:59:59,030 --> 01:00:01,330
we already have one from the iTunes namespace.

1816
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:02,550
Why are we doing this again?

1817
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:05,090
So, and again, I just wanted to use

1818
01:00:05,090 --> 01:00:08,170
that as an example of this.

1819
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:11,110
You get this similar sentiment sometimes.

1820
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:16,350
So, uh, the reason that this tag is

1821
01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:17,550
not duplicative.

1822
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:19,830
It's expanded.

1823
01:00:20,010 --> 01:00:20,690
It's expanded.

1824
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:23,370
It's expanditative.

1825
01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:24,410
Yes.

1826
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:30,210
Um, so this, this tag, we would not

1827
01:00:30,210 --> 01:00:33,490
be doing this if it just simply duplicated

1828
01:00:33,490 --> 01:00:35,090
something that already existed.

1829
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:37,410
That's, that's of no value.

1830
01:00:37,810 --> 01:00:44,870
So this has much higher, uh, levels of

1831
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:49,490
use than just the, the iTunes image tag.

1832
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:52,050
So the iTunes namespace image tag has one

1833
01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:54,710
attribute, href.

1834
01:00:55,090 --> 01:00:57,370
That is a link to the image.

1835
01:00:58,010 --> 01:01:01,070
That image is assumed to be one-to

1836
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:05,530
-one aspect ratio square, uh, you know, square.

1837
01:01:06,850 --> 01:01:13,550
And it's assumed to conform to Apple's documented

1838
01:01:13,550 --> 01:01:13,910
spec.

1839
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:18,790
Now we, we all know that people do

1840
01:01:18,790 --> 01:01:22,990
not adhere to this, but that's what it's

1841
01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:23,710
supposed to be.

1842
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:25,390
That's what the assumptions are.

1843
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:30,370
And people by, by Apple spec, it's gotta

1844
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:32,810
be at least 1400 by 1400 and they

1845
01:01:32,810 --> 01:01:35,190
recommend 3000 by 3000 pixels.

1846
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:35,730
Right.

1847
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:39,730
People put all kinds of nonsense.

1848
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:41,770
By the way, if you don't do 3000

1849
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:43,890
by 3000, it may not get published.

1850
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:45,790
Okay.

1851
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:51,030
This, so, and so, you know, and Apple

1852
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:51,930
has to deal with this.

1853
01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:54,330
They, in their system, they, you know, flag

1854
01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:56,310
you as not, you know, not being up

1855
01:01:56,310 --> 01:01:57,950
to the spec and this kind of thing.

1856
01:01:58,230 --> 01:02:03,990
But because of, because, so they can do

1857
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:04,410
that.

1858
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,370
They can give you errors and deny you

1859
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:10,850
from being listed because they're Apple.

1860
01:02:11,890 --> 01:02:15,030
Other apps just take whatever that tag gives

1861
01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:16,930
them and they just have to do the

1862
01:02:16,930 --> 01:02:21,550
best they can because they can't just, they

1863
01:02:21,550 --> 01:02:23,690
can't just not display the image and say

1864
01:02:23,690 --> 01:02:25,650
error or something like that because they're going

1865
01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:26,750
to get a, they're going to get an

1866
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:29,050
email from the podcaster saying, Hey, my image

1867
01:02:29,050 --> 01:02:29,710
is not showing.

1868
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:31,090
And then they're going to have to go

1869
01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:32,730
through this long back and forth of support

1870
01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:35,590
emails saying, well, it's because it's not 1400

1871
01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:36,290
by 1400.

1872
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:37,330
You're holding it wrong.

1873
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:39,010
You're holding it wrong.

1874
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:43,470
So apps are just regular podcast apps that

1875
01:02:43,470 --> 01:02:46,930
are not Apple are just stuck with doing

1876
01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:47,850
the best they can.

1877
01:02:49,870 --> 01:02:55,390
Um, the, so that's, that's the way the

1878
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:57,590
image tag currently exists.

1879
01:02:57,590 --> 01:02:59,930
That's the way we do images and podcasting.

1880
01:03:00,550 --> 01:03:04,970
Some apps support the, the bear RSS 2

1881
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:09,210
.0 image tag, which is the silliest tag

1882
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:12,790
I've ever seen in my life, but they,

1883
01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:14,190
some do support it.

1884
01:03:16,790 --> 01:03:20,150
Um, that's, and that's fine, but it is

1885
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:21,370
of no value here.

1886
01:03:21,370 --> 01:03:22,270
It's a silly tag.

1887
01:03:22,270 --> 01:03:29,690
Um, so that left us with that left

1888
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:34,230
us with, how do you get, uh, how

1889
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:37,090
do you provide different types of images that

1890
01:03:37,090 --> 01:03:40,610
are not just square to a podcast, to

1891
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:41,950
podcast apps and platforms?

1892
01:03:42,830 --> 01:03:45,470
There's lots of, of needs for this.

1893
01:03:45,610 --> 01:03:49,770
Um, one is, uh, has been clearly demonstrated

1894
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:52,210
by Russell Harrower at pod two.

1895
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:59,310
Um, down under who created an early version

1896
01:03:59,310 --> 01:04:01,450
of this tag called the banner tag.

1897
01:04:01,830 --> 01:04:05,630
He was trying to allow for banner images

1898
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:09,810
and, uh, just, you know, non-square or

1899
01:04:09,810 --> 01:04:11,350
something, you know, four to one, something like

1900
01:04:11,350 --> 01:04:11,590
that.

1901
01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:13,690
16 by nine, that kind of thing.

1902
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:17,190
And so he, you know, he sort of

1903
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:18,250
forged this path.

1904
01:04:19,550 --> 01:04:22,730
And we tried this with the images tag,

1905
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:26,310
uh, early on as well to try to

1906
01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:28,710
allow for multiple image sizes to be done

1907
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:34,310
that, you know, that went nowhere, uh, and

1908
01:04:34,310 --> 01:04:35,470
was highly criticized.

1909
01:04:35,470 --> 01:04:38,350
And so we've tried this a few times

1910
01:04:38,350 --> 01:04:42,630
and we, uh, Nathan finally cracked the code

1911
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:45,370
when he wrote the image spec for the

1912
01:04:45,370 --> 01:04:46,590
new image tag.

1913
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:52,050
The image tag has, as its base use

1914
01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:56,410
case, it's identical and fully replaceable for the

1915
01:04:56,410 --> 01:04:57,830
iTunes image tag.

1916
01:04:58,190 --> 01:05:00,310
You can have a podcast colon image tag

1917
01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:03,630
with just an href attribute, and it's expected

1918
01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:05,850
to work exactly the same as the iTunes

1919
01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:06,890
image tag, right?

1920
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:11,050
Whenever we have a tag that duplicates a

1921
01:05:11,050 --> 01:05:15,110
base level of functionality with another namespace, it,

1922
01:05:15,450 --> 01:05:19,850
in my more than opinion, my strong opinion,

1923
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:23,310
it has to be at least backwards compatible

1924
01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:24,970
with that base use case.

1925
01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:26,690
You have to be able to drop it

1926
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:28,530
in and it just function exactly the same.

1927
01:05:29,590 --> 01:05:33,010
The, uh, that's just, that's just so coders

1928
01:05:33,010 --> 01:05:37,030
and, and platform developers can just keep their

1929
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:37,390
sanity.

1930
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:40,530
So now you say, okay, we've got that

1931
01:05:40,530 --> 01:05:41,690
base level of use case covered.

1932
01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:44,510
Let's go up the chain here.

1933
01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:47,650
What, what else is needed?

1934
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:50,690
So the first attribute that was, that was

1935
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:53,590
added was alt, just like HTML.

1936
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:56,750
It's an excessive accessibility function.

1937
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:59,390
It allows you to put in some alternate

1938
01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:01,530
text if the image cannot be displayed for

1939
01:06:01,530 --> 01:06:03,150
some reason, or if the person can't see

1940
01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:05,350
it, it's all fine.

1941
01:06:06,610 --> 01:06:10,090
Aspect ratio is the next attribute it's recommended.

1942
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:15,210
And it just defines a aspect ratio value.

1943
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:17,210
So it's using slash notation.

1944
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:20,670
So one slash one, 16 slash nine, four

1945
01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:21,390
slash one.

1946
01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:26,150
Um, he made it match CSS syntax.

1947
01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:32,590
So CSS has an aspect ratio, uh, idea

1948
01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:34,890
in it, and it uses that syntax.

1949
01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:37,470
So we're just, we're just following things that

1950
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:38,810
are familiar to everyone.

1951
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:44,390
Um, so let's say you wanted to provide

1952
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:48,050
two different wide images, a 16 by nine

1953
01:06:48,050 --> 01:06:49,530
and a four and a four by one.

1954
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:50,510
Great.

1955
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:51,210
Do it.

1956
01:06:51,310 --> 01:06:53,810
Put two image tags to put two podcast

1957
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:56,870
image tags in your feed, a 16 by

1958
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:58,170
nine and a four and a four by

1959
01:06:58,170 --> 01:06:58,850
one.

1960
01:06:58,850 --> 01:06:59,150
Done.

1961
01:06:59,830 --> 01:07:00,470
Easy as pie.

1962
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:05,010
Now width is the net width and height

1963
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:08,930
are also attributes that are, that are possible

1964
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:09,710
in this tag.

1965
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:13,570
And we've gone down this road before.

1966
01:07:13,870 --> 01:07:14,050
Okay.

1967
01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:19,610
So we, we've talked about, um, we've talked

1968
01:07:19,610 --> 01:07:27,850
about width and height as being proscriptive or

1969
01:07:27,850 --> 01:07:28,430
descriptive.

1970
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:32,110
Ooh, what does that even mean?

1971
01:07:32,570 --> 01:07:35,070
Well, you know, Well descriptive, I understand.

1972
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:35,990
Proscriptive?

1973
01:07:37,030 --> 01:07:39,550
Well, so what you're saying is, so imagine

1974
01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:43,030
how the way HTML works, you have an

1975
01:07:43,030 --> 01:07:47,190
image tag in HTML, the image tag is

1976
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:49,390
not telling you, the image tag is not,

1977
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:53,250
it specifies, it specifies a URL going that

1978
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:55,630
leads you to the image, but in the

1979
01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:58,950
image tag has a width and height attribute,

1980
01:07:59,170 --> 01:08:01,250
but the width and height, they're not telling

1981
01:08:01,250 --> 01:08:03,970
you how wide and how tall the image

1982
01:08:03,970 --> 01:08:05,970
is at the source.

1983
01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:08,690
It's telling you how, what width and height

1984
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:10,070
to display the image at.

1985
01:08:10,810 --> 01:08:12,570
So you can point it at a, at

1986
01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:15,170
a square image and then give it a

1987
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:16,729
width and height that are not square.

1988
01:08:16,850 --> 01:08:18,689
And it's going to skew the image in

1989
01:08:18,689 --> 01:08:19,130
the browser.

1990
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:24,250
You're, you're, you are prescriptively telling the browser,

1991
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:28,770
show this image at this pixel height and

1992
01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:29,729
this pixel width.

1993
01:08:30,830 --> 01:08:34,390
And it can, it doesn't, the browser never

1994
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:37,410
cares how wide or how tall that source

1995
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:38,029
image is.

1996
01:08:38,189 --> 01:08:39,990
It's going to do what you tell it

1997
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:42,229
to and it's going to squish it and

1998
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:44,529
make it look funny if it's, if it's

1999
01:08:44,529 --> 01:08:44,850
wrong.

2000
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:49,050
So that's not what we're doing here.

2001
01:08:49,810 --> 01:08:53,830
We're not saying, here's how to display it.

2002
01:08:57,310 --> 01:09:00,770
We're saying, here's what the image is.

2003
01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:03,810
So this is not a prescriptive height and

2004
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:04,630
width attribute.

2005
01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:06,950
This is a descriptive height and width attribute

2006
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:10,649
saying, saying when you, hey, hey, podcast app,

2007
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:14,149
this image I just told, gave you an

2008
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:17,670
href for, it's this wide and it's this

2009
01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:18,069
tall.

2010
01:09:19,689 --> 01:09:21,250
It's describing it.

2011
01:09:22,029 --> 01:09:24,950
And so then that, and that is much

2012
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:30,649
better in this case because, because RSS is

2013
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:34,189
not meant as a display markup language.

2014
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:39,109
It's meant as a data exchange language.

2015
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:43,210
XML describes data.

2016
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:44,970
It doesn't tell you how to show it.

2017
01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:48,450
XSL tells you how to show it.

2018
01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:49,990
That's a style sheet layered on top of

2019
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:50,370
XML.

2020
01:09:51,250 --> 01:09:53,690
But XML itself doesn't, doesn't do that.

2021
01:09:54,290 --> 01:09:56,710
So that's a, that's kind of a critical

2022
01:09:56,710 --> 01:09:57,490
distinction there.

2023
01:09:57,550 --> 01:10:01,270
That's why iTunes, the iTunes image tag itself

2024
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:04,390
doesn't have a height and width is because

2025
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:06,990
their documentation says it's supposed to be square.

2026
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:11,670
So they don't, they don't care because you

2027
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:13,050
like, that's not what it's for.

2028
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:20,650
So because this, the width is recommended, not

2029
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:21,270
required.

2030
01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:24,650
And it's because of what I just described

2031
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:27,610
as to why it's not required.

2032
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:33,210
Because you've already got an aspect ratio that

2033
01:10:33,210 --> 01:10:37,250
you can define and that's all you need.

2034
01:10:38,730 --> 01:10:41,290
Because again, it's not, this is not a

2035
01:10:41,290 --> 01:10:42,750
display function.

2036
01:10:43,690 --> 01:10:45,090
I hope that all makes sense.

2037
01:10:45,190 --> 01:10:46,790
It's a little cumbersome to explain.

2038
01:10:48,210 --> 01:10:49,850
No, I mean, I get it.

2039
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:50,690
I get it.

2040
01:10:50,890 --> 01:10:51,170
Okay.

2041
01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:55,150
So the type is the next attribute.

2042
01:10:56,590 --> 01:10:59,850
And it just describes what type of media

2043
01:10:59,850 --> 01:11:00,270
this is.

2044
01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:01,730
Is it an, is it a JPEG?

2045
01:11:01,790 --> 01:11:02,470
Is it a PNG?

2046
01:11:02,710 --> 01:11:04,430
Is it a video like MP4?

2047
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:06,810
So you can have motion, you know, you

2048
01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:08,070
can have motion assets here.

2049
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:11,650
You can have a moving background or something

2050
01:11:11,650 --> 01:11:12,270
on a banner.

2051
01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:15,750
But you have to say that.

2052
01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:20,250
And it's optional because most of the time,

2053
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:22,150
if it's a standard image type, like a

2054
01:11:22,150 --> 01:11:24,510
JPEG or a PNG, most of the time,

2055
01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:26,630
I mean, most, most web views and browsers

2056
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:28,650
and that kind of thing can figure that

2057
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:29,470
out on the fly.

2058
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:31,890
But if it's anything out of the, if

2059
01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:38,130
it's anything just even slightly non-universal, like

2060
01:11:38,130 --> 01:11:42,030
a TIFF or a GIF or a MP4

2061
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:45,170
or something, you want to provide a MIME

2062
01:11:45,170 --> 01:11:46,650
type to give a hint to the app

2063
01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:47,330
or the platform.

2064
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:51,890
So there's that.

2065
01:11:52,110 --> 01:11:54,390
Then finally is the, the, the thing that

2066
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:58,990
is, the wildest part of this, of this

2067
01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:02,970
spec, but also the absolutely the most powerful.

2068
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:05,110
And the thing that I'm just like, I

2069
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:07,010
love the most about it is the purpose

2070
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:07,570
attribute.

2071
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:08,510
Yeah.

2072
01:12:08,610 --> 01:12:10,370
This is the one, this is where it

2073
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:11,570
all comes together for me.

2074
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:12,770
Yeah.

2075
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:15,610
And, and let me just describe, let me,

2076
01:12:15,670 --> 01:12:17,510
let me describe the attribute as it's written

2077
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:17,950
in the spec.

2078
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:21,570
It's an unordered set of case-insensitive, space

2079
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:26,050
-separated tokens following the W3C syntax, which we

2080
01:12:26,050 --> 01:12:26,490
link to.

2081
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:29,210
This value should not exceed 128 characters.

2082
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:32,030
This allows podcasters to indicate the suggested use

2083
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:32,810
of this media.

2084
01:12:34,090 --> 01:12:36,350
The reason, okay, so the reason this is

2085
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:41,290
so powerful, well, let me read from the

2086
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:41,890
notes section.

2087
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:44,430
It says the purpose type for the purpose

2088
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:44,990
attribute.

2089
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:46,930
I should rename that.

2090
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:48,470
Actually, I think that's bad wording.

2091
01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:51,210
The purpose attribute is encouraged to provide an

2092
01:12:51,210 --> 01:12:53,670
expected use case to app developers as a

2093
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:54,550
display hint.

2094
01:12:55,710 --> 01:12:57,930
Why was this podcast image included in the

2095
01:12:57,930 --> 01:12:58,190
feed?

2096
01:12:58,290 --> 01:13:00,210
What did the podcast creator intend to be

2097
01:13:00,210 --> 01:13:00,870
done with it?

2098
01:13:01,190 --> 01:13:03,790
Is a particular app or platform media asset

2099
01:13:03,790 --> 01:13:04,510
being targeted?

2100
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:07,230
See a fuller explanation of the purpose attribute.

2101
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:10,230
So, and then there's a whole section on

2102
01:13:10,230 --> 01:13:10,890
purpose tokens.

2103
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:19,720
So this thing says, the purpose attribute says,

2104
01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:25,800
all right, I have a specific, you're not

2105
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,340
just saying, okay, here's this, hey, hey, here's

2106
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:29,960
this, hey world, here's a four by one

2107
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:30,340
image.

2108
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,780
Okay, great.

2109
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,500
I mean, I appreciate that.

2110
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:40,300
But what, I mean, I, what am I

2111
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:40,660
supposed to do?

2112
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:42,120
That's great.

2113
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:42,700
I mean, thanks.

2114
01:13:43,420 --> 01:13:44,720
It's the purpose thing.

2115
01:13:44,780 --> 01:13:46,760
The purpose attribute goes one step further and

2116
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,780
says, this four by one image I just

2117
01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:52,200
gave you is meant to be this thing.

2118
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,360
For instance, social is one of the tokens

2119
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,220
recommended for social preview images.

2120
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:01,740
So when you, when you link to a

2121
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:05,600
podcast on X, it can, this can be

2122
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,880
the OG, the open graph image that comes

2123
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,180
in.

2124
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,480
Circular is one that Daniel came, you know,

2125
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:15,120
has to be put in there, recommended for

2126
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:20,560
images that are expected to be cropped like

2127
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,660
as a full circle.

2128
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,260
So that you can define, you can define

2129
01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:27,000
this image as like circle safe, you know,

2130
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,220
where you, where you say, okay, this image,

2131
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:30,980
if you, if you make it into a

2132
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:33,040
full circle and cut all the corners off,

2133
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:34,740
it's still going to be fine.

2134
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,860
So there's these different use cases that you

2135
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:38,440
can give.

2136
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:44,600
And the one, the one that's most relevant,

2137
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:50,500
I guess the most recent recently is the,

2138
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:53,800
the, the Apple showcase hero image.

2139
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,000
And we, I think we talked about that

2140
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:00,200
maybe two weeks ago, where you can have,

2141
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,060
they, they have a specific, they have a

2142
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:07,460
specific image sizing requirement for what they call

2143
01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:09,000
a showcase hero image.

2144
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:11,840
And that will, if you put that in

2145
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,100
there, you're more like, I think the description

2146
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:15,580
was, you're more likely to be a featured

2147
01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:18,960
podcast because you have more complete and better

2148
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:19,400
artwork.

2149
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,260
So you can include this, this type of

2150
01:15:23,260 --> 01:15:31,300
image into your, into your feed and give,

2151
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,420
you're essentially giving this image to Apple and

2152
01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:37,980
everyone else for them to use.

2153
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,420
And everybody, because that purpose is in there,

2154
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:43,280
we all then by default know what it

2155
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:43,600
is.

2156
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:44,180
Yeah.

2157
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:45,360
This is going to be a four by

2158
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,000
one or I don't know what the spec

2159
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,120
says, but well, actually, let me open it

2160
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,160
up because we link straight to it.

2161
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,460
This is going to be a, yes, four

2162
01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:57,180
by one image, 43 specifications are 4320 by

2163
01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:04,520
1080, Photoshop, layered PSD, Photoshop document.

2164
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,560
So which should be ignore, ignore on my,

2165
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,920
on the, on the app side.

2166
01:16:13,460 --> 01:16:13,940
Right.

2167
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,540
So you should, so this, this is a

2168
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:18,560
way for you to provide a funk, you

2169
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,980
know, just a very specific funky type of

2170
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:25,820
image for a single app's use.

2171
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,560
And then if other apps want to pick

2172
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,500
it up, they can and use that same

2173
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:32,860
thing.

2174
01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:39,920
So this, this is to me, the most

2175
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,180
powerful part of this spec.

2176
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:47,920
And I think you can have multi, you

2177
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,280
can have as many of these in there

2178
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:50,880
as you want.

2179
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,460
And I expect what's going to happen is

2180
01:16:53,460 --> 01:17:01,200
over time, we will develop, um, we will,

2181
01:17:01,340 --> 01:17:05,980
we will develop a set of use, um,

2182
01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:08,380
usage guidelines around this.

2183
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,780
We can't dictate any of that stuff, obviously.

2184
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:12,060
Right.

2185
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:14,920
We can't say, well, here's how you're going

2186
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:15,960
to, you know, here's how you got to

2187
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:16,420
do this.

2188
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:17,440
And here's how you got to do that.

2189
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,060
I mean, we can, we can put some,

2190
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,000
some sort of specification guardrails on it, but

2191
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,220
it has to sort of evolve over time

2192
01:17:25,220 --> 01:17:27,380
as people begin to use things like the

2193
01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:32,340
social purpose, um, and the canvas and, you

2194
01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:34,880
know, episode artworks and that kind of thing.

2195
01:17:36,140 --> 01:17:39,280
It will take, and, and then guidance from

2196
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,800
platforms like Apple, Spotify, you know, uh, and,

2197
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:46,760
uh, smaller platforms, you know, like Pocket Cast,

2198
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,060
True Fans, Fountain, you know, it, it will,

2199
01:17:50,740 --> 01:17:52,400
this thing will evolve over time so that

2200
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,160
hosts then have a more clear idea of

2201
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,700
what to do in the feed.

2202
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,960
Um, but I think, I think this, this

2203
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,860
tag took a very long time to develop.

2204
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,180
Um, I, I'm very thankful to Nathan for

2205
01:18:11,180 --> 01:18:15,700
tackling this and for, uh, James and everybody

2206
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:20,040
keeping with it and, and just, you know,

2207
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,980
and, and not just throwing their hands up

2208
01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:25,080
and not, you know, in, in staying, staying

2209
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:25,740
with the program.

2210
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:28,260
And I think, I mean, it feels really

2211
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:29,420
good to get this thing shipped.

2212
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:31,900
I think it's a great, I think it's

2213
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:32,860
a great piece of work.

2214
01:18:33,460 --> 01:18:34,700
Good work, everybody.

2215
01:18:36,460 --> 01:18:36,860
Yay.

2216
01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:38,700
Hold on a second.

2217
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,400
I'm looking for my, uh, my favorite jingle.

2218
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:42,700
Yeah.

2219
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,740
And you're looking for the horn.

2220
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,440
No, no, no, no, no.

2221
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,080
I'm looking for, looking for this one.

2222
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,240
Oh, there's no winning.

2223
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,140
We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere,

2224
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:52,600
but we laugh a lot.

2225
01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:54,640
Now everyone hug and share a secret.

2226
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:55,400
Yay.

2227
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:56,440
Share a secret, everybody.

2228
01:18:56,540 --> 01:18:57,260
That's great.

2229
01:18:58,540 --> 01:18:58,840
Yeah.

2230
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,620
So I mean, I feel really good about

2231
01:19:01,620 --> 01:19:01,880
this.

2232
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:02,580
I like it.

2233
01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:03,860
And as soon as I have it in

2234
01:19:03,860 --> 01:19:05,560
sovereign feeds, I'm going to be using this

2235
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:05,800
stuff.

2236
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:07,420
I want to publish with it for sure.

2237
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:12,100
Uh, what I hope, so let me talk

2238
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:14,520
about my desires.

2239
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,060
Oh, it's in your DNA.

2240
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:27,240
My desire is that we get some guidance

2241
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:32,240
from the big, from the bigger players about,

2242
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,240
about how they expect hosting companies to use

2243
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:36,800
this tag.

2244
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:37,140
Yeah.

2245
01:19:37,860 --> 01:19:39,540
That would be ideal.

2246
01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:40,640
Yeah.

2247
01:19:40,660 --> 01:19:45,560
So if, if Apple, Spotify, whoever can come

2248
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:49,100
out and say, okay, if you want a

2249
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:52,520
showcase hero image or a channel banner or

2250
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,780
something like this, if you want these, these

2251
01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:57,580
things in to show up in your feed,

2252
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,920
uh, to show up in your, in your

2253
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,920
podcast on our platform, here's how to use

2254
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:04,140
this.

2255
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:05,620
Here's, here's what you need to put in

2256
01:20:05,620 --> 01:20:06,100
this tag.

2257
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,560
And if they do that, oh man, that

2258
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:10,160
would be awesome.

2259
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:10,880
Wouldn't it?

2260
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:11,600
Genius.

2261
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,280
It's just, it's just pure bliss.

2262
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,300
This is something I think that Apple could

2263
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:18,300
really get behind this because they're all about

2264
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:19,000
the aesthetics.

2265
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,420
Oh, totally.

2266
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:21,440
They're all about it.

2267
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,640
And I, and by the way, uh, it's

2268
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,840
not 3000 by 3000, 1400 by 1400 is

2269
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,440
the minimum requirement for Apple.

2270
01:20:28,940 --> 01:20:30,380
And thank you, Ted.

2271
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:30,980
Thank you.

2272
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:31,360
Thank you.

2273
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:32,100
Thank you, Ted.

2274
01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:34,360
Because so many times, because you know, I'm

2275
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,120
still a sovereign feeds user.

2276
01:20:36,220 --> 01:20:37,860
I'm, I think I'll always be a sovereign

2277
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:38,520
feeds user.

2278
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,380
And so, you know, I have to, I

2279
01:20:40,380 --> 01:20:42,600
have three different image sizes and I copy

2280
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,100
paste it into sovereign feeds.

2281
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:46,280
And from time to time, I put the,

2282
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,620
uh, the 512 by the 512 into the

2283
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:52,640
feed image and Ted Hossman, I think he

2284
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:53,940
literally sits there at Apple.

2285
01:20:54,060 --> 01:20:55,640
I'm like, oh, there's Curry again, but he

2286
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,360
approves it.

2287
01:20:56,380 --> 01:20:57,880
And then sends me an email, say, dude,

2288
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:58,820
can you please fix it?

2289
01:20:59,540 --> 01:21:01,280
What he does is he's hooked into pod

2290
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,800
ping so that he sees when you post

2291
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,380
the show and he gets the bad signal

2292
01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:05,520
on his phone to check the image.

2293
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,220
He's like, oh, let me check Curry's at

2294
01:21:07,220 --> 01:21:07,500
work.

2295
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,660
Let me see if he did any good.

2296
01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:08,960
Yeah.

2297
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,540
I really appreciate that.

2298
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,520
Um, because you know, you, you can easily

2299
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,580
publish walk away and then you come back

2300
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:20,120
to your Twitter timelines, like right.

2301
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:22,940
But think about it.

2302
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:24,480
Think how wonderful it would be to be

2303
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,820
able to upload banner and different kinds of

2304
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:28,800
images that Apple could make it look really

2305
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,120
good on their, um, uh, on their app.

2306
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,160
Yeah.

2307
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:33,560
It could be a game changer.

2308
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,580
Oh, it's game changer.

2309
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,580
And the other breaking.

2310
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,320
And the other, uh, the other thing that

2311
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,240
I'm doing for the first time in this,

2312
01:21:43,420 --> 01:21:47,980
in this, uh, formal formalization process for this

2313
01:21:47,980 --> 01:21:50,220
tag is putting in the credits of who

2314
01:21:50,220 --> 01:21:53,700
authored and contributed to the development of the

2315
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:53,920
task.

2316
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:54,620
Very nice.

2317
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,460
Uh, and that, so that's at the bottom

2318
01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:00,920
of the tag, uh, spec and, uh, lists

2319
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,740
like this one lists, uh, Nathan Gates, right.

2320
01:22:02,740 --> 01:22:05,720
As the author, I think it's Gathwright.

2321
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,560
I always say Gates for some reason.

2322
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,660
Gathwright as the author, uh, Russell Harrower, James

2323
01:22:10,660 --> 01:22:11,540
Cridlin, and Daniel J.

2324
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,380
Lewis as contributors.

2325
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,160
And, and I want, so, so that I

2326
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:17,940
need to go to the next step here.

2327
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,940
These, the credits need to be in all

2328
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:23,700
of the tags.

2329
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,360
I would like every tag to have a

2330
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,460
credit section so that everybody gets the credit

2331
01:22:29,460 --> 01:22:31,280
that they deserve for their contributions.

2332
01:22:31,820 --> 01:22:33,600
And as a bonus, we'll send you a

2333
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,020
badge you can put on your website, which

2334
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:37,040
links back to us.

2335
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:38,280
Uh, yeah.

2336
01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:40,500
Do you remember that top 5% badge?

2337
01:22:41,180 --> 01:22:41,520
Uh-huh.

2338
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,660
I remember all that stuff.

2339
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:43,140
Like the...

2340
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:44,320
Congratulations.

2341
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,700
You're now a top 5% website.

2342
01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:48,320
Put this badge on your website.

2343
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:49,920
Then it's back to us.

2344
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:51,800
Link back to us, links back to us

2345
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,700
for all our Google juice or what, no,

2346
01:22:53,860 --> 01:22:55,100
Alta Vista at the time.

2347
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:55,940
Yeah.

2348
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,680
This is such a cheesy way to get

2349
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,260
backlinks.

2350
01:22:58,780 --> 01:22:59,260
Okay, good.

2351
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:01,940
Are you monitoring the, uh, Bristol?

2352
01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:03,860
We're at 190, so I've got two degrees

2353
01:23:03,860 --> 01:23:04,320
to go.

2354
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,520
Oh, you're, you're about to, you're about to

2355
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,240
have to run out and do, uh, pull.

2356
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,640
I do have some good news.

2357
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:13,200
Um, I discovered, uh, the problem with my

2358
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:13,540
memory.

2359
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:16,600
Uh, B12?

2360
01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:17,540
No.

2361
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:18,220
Huh?

2362
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:18,720
No.

2363
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,120
Uh, I guess I had installed Postman under

2364
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:23,520
Snap.

2365
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:29,280
Snap, Snap is your first problem.

2366
01:23:29,540 --> 01:23:31,160
Postman is the second problem.

2367
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,040
And I never, you know, I don't know

2368
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:35,440
why.

2369
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,720
I installed Postman, but I know I could

2370
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,320
only install Postman on the server.

2371
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:40,920
Yeah.

2372
01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:41,420
Yeah.

2373
01:23:41,420 --> 01:23:42,820
Cause you know, you were like, Hey, just

2374
01:23:42,820 --> 01:23:44,260
get Postman for your API.

2375
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,700
I'm like, okay, I'll get Postman for my

2376
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:46,040
API.

2377
01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:47,680
And I put it in and then I

2378
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,060
realized, oh, uh, this is a headless server

2379
01:23:50,060 --> 01:23:53,040
and this is a, a graphical user interface.

2380
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:54,840
So I just, I forgot about it.

2381
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,880
It was probably sitting there trying to open

2382
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,440
up a, a screen display and Snapd was

2383
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:01,020
just running.

2384
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,280
Everyone's running a muck.

2385
01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:05,540
Oh, well, I can tell you that Postman

2386
01:24:05,540 --> 01:24:10,360
has had memory leaks for its entire existence.

2387
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,480
If I leave it up on my machine

2388
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,660
running for a couple of weeks, I will

2389
01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:17,100
run, I will run a 32 gig workstation

2390
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:17,780
out of room.

2391
01:24:17,980 --> 01:24:20,420
Well, so literally I got back a full

2392
01:24:20,420 --> 01:24:22,720
gig the minute I disabled it.

2393
01:24:22,780 --> 01:24:23,220
Yay.

2394
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:25,640
Nice.

2395
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,680
There used to be a, there used to

2396
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,440
be a, uh, there used to be a,

2397
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:34,300
an IT joke that's back in the Novel

2398
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:37,600
Network days that, uh, nope.

2399
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,040
Uh, was it, uh, you can solve any

2400
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,980
problem by uninstalling the Novel Network client.

2401
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:44,660
Except for your networking.

2402
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:45,960
Yeah, right.

2403
01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:47,700
You can, you can fix any problem by

2404
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:49,700
uninstalling Snap or whatever you do.

2405
01:24:49,780 --> 01:24:50,020
Yeah.

2406
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:50,740
All right.

2407
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:52,720
So, uh, why don't we wrap this up

2408
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,580
and, uh, thank some, uh, some of our

2409
01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:55,000
boosters.

2410
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,560
I will start with our, um, uh, with

2411
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,880
our live boosters, uh, uh, Martin Lindeskog.

2412
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:03,340
He's just been on a tear.

2413
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,580
Happy Independence Day sent via TrueFans iOS app.

2414
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:07,600
Oh yeah, there we go.

2415
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,160
I think that's the first one from the,

2416
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:09,680
from the app.

2417
01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:10,200
Nice.

2418
01:25:10,620 --> 01:25:14,320
Uh, 1776, another 1776 Liberty boost.

2419
01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:15,220
I got a network error.

2420
01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:18,480
So I try again and he sent that

2421
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:18,880
twice.

2422
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:19,700
So thank you.

2423
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,560
It's working.

2424
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:23,100
And another 1776.

2425
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:24,040
Thank you, Martin.

2426
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,480
I don't know if it's intentional, but we

2427
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:26,120
appreciate it.

2428
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:27,420
And he says happy Independence Day.

2429
01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:30,100
Again, Cole McCormick, McCormick with 1000 sats.

2430
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,020
He says, I pretty much grew up on

2431
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:32,360
YouTube.

2432
01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:33,800
Oh man, I feel so old.

2433
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,760
I grew up with faces of death on

2434
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:37,480
VHS.

2435
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:38,640
Uh, yeah.

2436
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,140
Been paying for premium for a long time.

2437
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,620
And you guys should check out the channel

2438
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:43,400
BOG.

2439
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,200
This guy makes what I would describe as

2440
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,360
software experience documentaries.

2441
01:25:48,020 --> 01:25:50,520
Highly entertaining videos of a guy installing software

2442
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,260
he's never used before and figuring out how

2443
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:53,960
to use it like postman.

2444
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:54,540
Exactly.

2445
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:55,100
Beautiful.

2446
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:56,900
Salty crayon.

2447
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:57,840
1776.

2448
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:58,520
Howdy boardroom.

2449
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,860
Happy 249th.

2450
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,240
America.

2451
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,040
UK will be at work all day today.

2452
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:03,360
Five by five in the pipe.

2453
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:04,860
That's right.

2454
01:26:04,980 --> 01:26:06,240
And there's the delimiter.

2455
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:07,560
So over to you, Dave.

2456
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,200
Uh, we check, check this out.

2457
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,560
$500 from transistor.

2458
01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:16,620
Oh, transistor.

2459
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:17,900
Wow.

2460
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,380
Well, thank you very much.

2461
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:24,760
That's highly appreciated.

2462
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:25,460
Wow.

2463
01:26:25,580 --> 01:26:26,820
I don't think, I don't think they've ever

2464
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:27,880
donated before.

2465
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,160
That is highly appreciated.

2466
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,140
Just in case.

2467
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:33,760
Wow.

2468
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:34,580
Thanks guys.

2469
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:35,580
Yeah.

2470
01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:38,820
Uh, they, uh, included a message, a gift

2471
01:26:38,820 --> 01:26:40,720
from your friends at transistor.fm. Thanks for

2472
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:41,780
all the hard work you do behind the

2473
01:26:41,780 --> 01:26:41,900
scenes.

2474
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:42,240
Wow.

2475
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:43,260
Thank you very much.

2476
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,540
That, that means a lot.

2477
01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:45,400
It really does.

2478
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,360
Uh, let's see, we got, um, these are,

2479
01:26:49,460 --> 01:26:50,720
these are mixed up because I didn't write

2480
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,960
them down for, uh, Chad Pharaoh, $20, 22

2481
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:53,260
cents.

2482
01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:53,840
Thank you, Chad.

2483
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:55,600
Appreciate you, brother.

2484
01:26:55,740 --> 01:26:57,600
Uh, Cameron Rose, $25.

2485
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:58,700
Thank you, Cameron.

2486
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:00,800
Kevin Bay, $5.

2487
01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:03,400
Uh, Mark Graham, $1.

2488
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:05,420
Podpage.

2489
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,240
That's Brendan in the, in the girls and

2490
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:07,340
boys.

2491
01:27:07,340 --> 01:27:09,240
I'm a, I'm a pod page user, man.

2492
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,220
I love pod page.

2493
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:11,960
It just works.

2494
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,000
It just works.

2495
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,440
Martin Lindeskog over at the new media.

2496
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:17,420
That's $1.

2497
01:27:18,540 --> 01:27:21,080
Um, oh, there's a, there's a, we could

2498
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,340
not, uh, process your recurring payment.

2499
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:24,260
They'll skip that one.

2500
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,760
Um, John McDermott, $4 and 76 cents.

2501
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:29,860
Thank you.

2502
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:30,500
Thank you, John.

2503
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:31,220
Appreciate that.

2504
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:33,860
Uh, oh, Oscar Mary, $200.

2505
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:36,520
Thank you, Oscar.

2506
01:27:38,540 --> 01:27:40,440
Oh, we got a, that's a baller.

2507
01:27:40,460 --> 01:27:41,120
Hold on a second.

2508
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,480
It's a baller shot.

2509
01:27:43,620 --> 01:27:46,640
Carla 20 is blazed on the Impala.

2510
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:49,480
Uh, thank you, brother.

2511
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:50,400
Oscar over there.

2512
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:50,820
Fountain.

2513
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,420
Yes, very, very kind.

2514
01:27:52,780 --> 01:27:53,800
Mercy buckets.

2515
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,100
Joseph Morocco, $5.

2516
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:57,980
Oh, and that's it.

2517
01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:59,320
Yeah, that's it for the PayPal's.

2518
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,080
We got some, uh, booster grams.

2519
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,260
Let me resort this so I can go

2520
01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:06,260
old to new here.

2521
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,900
Um, oh, Caspian.

2522
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:11,320
I haven't heard from, we haven't heard from

2523
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,540
Cass in a while.

2524
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:13,720
That has been, has been a bit.

2525
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:13,940
Yeah.

2526
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:15,840
Is that, is that Dutch for cheese?

2527
01:28:17,420 --> 01:28:17,820
Cass.

2528
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:18,340
Yeah.

2529
01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:20,760
K-A-S is Dutch for cheese.

2530
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,960
What, what is the Dutch word for vacuum

2531
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,060
cleaner, by the way?

2532
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:26,940
Stofzuiger.

2533
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:28,300
Yeah.

2534
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,180
Stuff sucker, right?

2535
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,100
Something like that.

2536
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:33,100
Stuff sucker.

2537
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:33,440
Yeah.

2538
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:34,140
Stofzuiger.

2539
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:35,660
And that kind of what that means?

2540
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:37,300
It means a dust sucker.

2541
01:28:38,020 --> 01:28:38,300
Okay.

2542
01:28:38,660 --> 01:28:40,800
I love how literal Dutch is.

2543
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:42,440
Dust sucker.

2544
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:43,280
What is that thing?

2545
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,460
It's a dust sucker.

2546
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:45,100
All right.

2547
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:48,480
Um, 2100 sats from Cass.

2548
01:28:48,540 --> 01:28:51,140
He says, uh, his message is grep star

2549
01:28:51,140 --> 01:28:51,920
dot log.

2550
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:55,440
That was for our previous show.

2551
01:28:55,660 --> 01:28:55,820
Yeah.

2552
01:28:56,460 --> 01:28:56,680
Yeah.

2553
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,040
Paul Erskine, $67.89. Through Fountain.

2554
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,600
He says emptying this wallet for unfortunate reasons.

2555
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:03,940
Have fun pushing the RSS.

2556
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:05,140
Oh, I'm sorry.

2557
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:07,100
Hope everything's okay.

2558
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,020
See loss on Linux.

2559
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,200
One, two, three, four through Fountain.

2560
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:11,660
He says satisfying episode.

2561
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:12,660
Oh, that's good.

2562
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:16,060
Uh, Kevin, oh, Kevin Bay.

2563
01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:18,180
300,000 sats.

2564
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:20,460
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

2565
01:29:20,700 --> 01:29:21,000
Paula!

2566
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:22,480
Shot Carla!

2567
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,060
20 inch blades on the Impala!

2568
01:29:25,340 --> 01:29:26,120
Thank you, Kevin.

2569
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,060
Podcast guru.

2570
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:29,520
He says, uh, thank you.

2571
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,660
Thank you, Boost.

2572
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:33,140
In honor of everyone who listened to, stream

2573
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:35,800
sats and boosted my show sats and sounds.

2574
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,100
My 100 episode run was a blast.

2575
01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:40,960
Oh, I guess, I guess he ended it.

2576
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:41,760
Is he ending it?

2577
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:43,100
I guess sounds like it.

2578
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,880
Well, at 100 episodes, that's a good run,

2579
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:46,120
man.

2580
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:46,980
That's beautiful.

2581
01:29:48,460 --> 01:29:49,560
Uh, thank you.

2582
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:50,460
Appreciate that, brother.

2583
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,500
Uh, uh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck.

2584
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:53,900
Row of ducks.

2585
01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:55,840
2222 through podcast guru.

2586
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,460
Like a guru represented today.

2587
01:29:57,460 --> 01:29:58,120
Yeah, repping.

2588
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,400
Uh, Rocky was a great guest.

2589
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:01,960
Chat with live will be great.

2590
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:02,840
Thanks, Adam and Dave.

2591
01:30:02,900 --> 01:30:03,620
Go live.

2592
01:30:03,780 --> 01:30:04,660
Go live.

2593
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:07,200
Let's see.

2594
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:09,620
And I think you already got.

2595
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,220
Well, we don't have the delimiter.

2596
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,720
Yeah, but you got salty crayon.

2597
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,960
I got salty crayon five by five in

2598
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,320
the pipe.

2599
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:17,260
Yep.

2600
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:19,300
So we got the delimiter, comic strip blogger,

2601
01:30:19,340 --> 01:30:20,140
Mr. CSB.

2602
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:22,960
13755 through fountain.

2603
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,900
He says, howdy, Adam and Dave.

2604
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,920
Giving birth to a wholly new podcast is

2605
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:29,360
a struggle.

2606
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,900
Today, I recommend a wholly new podcast entitled

2607
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:35,880
two and a half bins that yet doesn't

2608
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,160
have its own feed, but is living on

2609
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,400
the RSS feed of older podcast at www

2610
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:47,820
.lotuseffect.show. They're in Bimro's phone boy and

2611
01:30:47,820 --> 01:30:48,900
phone boy's girlfriend.

2612
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:49,540
Phoenix.

2613
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,700
Talk about information, technology, industries and stuff.

2614
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,260
Who knows?

2615
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:57,760
Maybe this new podcast will survive.

2616
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:58,820
Maybe not.

2617
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:00,000
Dot, dot, dot.

2618
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,420
Well, you got comic strip blogger in your

2619
01:31:02,420 --> 01:31:04,260
corner, so that's always good.

2620
01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:05,600
He is pimping you.

2621
01:31:05,740 --> 01:31:06,980
He is definitely pimping you.

2622
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:08,920
Thank you to all of these boosters and

2623
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:09,600
PayPalers.

2624
01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:10,920
We appreciate you so much.

2625
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,760
Podcastindex.org down at the bottom.

2626
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:15,080
A red donate button for your fiat fund

2627
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:15,500
coupons.

2628
01:31:15,580 --> 01:31:17,280
And of course, any of the modern podcast

2629
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:17,580
apps.

2630
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,420
We accept it all in your booster grams

2631
01:31:20,420 --> 01:31:21,240
and your sats.

2632
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,780
And it's so much appreciated.

2633
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,420
And thank you, boardroom, for being here on

2634
01:31:25,420 --> 01:31:26,620
this Independence Day.

2635
01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:27,740
I'm sure a lot of you had other

2636
01:31:27,740 --> 01:31:28,500
things you can do.

2637
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,420
Everything here got canceled.

2638
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:33,220
We've just been under a deluge of rain.

2639
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:33,980
Is it still raining?

2640
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:34,400
Yeah.

2641
01:31:34,540 --> 01:31:35,420
First world problem.

2642
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,180
The pool is overflowing.

2643
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,040
You have brisket problems.

2644
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:42,640
You need to go.

2645
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:43,160
I do.

2646
01:31:44,420 --> 01:31:47,400
And Dave, can I email you the RSS

2647
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,620
feed or send you the RSS feed later

2648
01:31:49,620 --> 01:31:50,980
for you to update so that we can

2649
01:31:50,980 --> 01:31:51,660
actually publish?

2650
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:52,720
Yeah, sure.

2651
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:53,080
Okay.

2652
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:54,620
No problem.

2653
01:31:54,980 --> 01:31:55,480
We're doing this.

2654
01:31:55,540 --> 01:31:56,340
We're going old school.

2655
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:57,080
Yeah.

2656
01:31:59,260 --> 01:32:00,860
Next week, I won't be able to do

2657
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:02,140
the board meeting because I'll be in New

2658
01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:02,460
York.

2659
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:04,720
I will be out for the next two

2660
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,300
because I'm going to be gone two weeks.

2661
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:08,880
I'm not going to be.

2662
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:10,920
I'm going to be gone two weeks in

2663
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,400
a row, like 10, well, 10 days.

2664
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:13,160
And they're going to overlap.

2665
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:14,380
We're on a summer holiday.

2666
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:17,820
I will be in the in the wilderness.

2667
01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:18,740
All right.

2668
01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:21,580
So we'll be back after the two week

2669
01:32:21,580 --> 01:32:22,360
break, everybody.

2670
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,720
Dave, make sure you send me your root

2671
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,840
password because, you know, you're going to be

2672
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,500
in the wilderness and you want me to

2673
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:31,320
type that rm-R star, everybody.

2674
01:32:33,460 --> 01:32:35,280
Boardroom, thank you very much for being here.

2675
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:36,400
We keep going.

2676
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:37,540
We keep moving forward.

2677
01:32:37,660 --> 01:32:40,000
Thanks for tuning in once again to Podcasting

2678
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:57,000
2.0. You

2679
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,620
have been listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit

2680
01:33:00,620 --> 01:33:03,920
podcastindex.org for more information.

2681
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:05,720
Go podcasting!

2682
01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:07,960
I'm telling you, just give me root, baby.