Episode 165: hashtag This!

100:00:01,380 --> 00:00:06,480Adam Curry: 2.0 for January26 2024, episode 165 Hashtag200:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,540this hello everybody welcomeonce again to the official board300:00:12,540 --> 00:00:16,920meeting of podcasting. Oh,that's right. This is the400:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,460boardroom it's the board meetingand we are the only board room500:00:20,460 --> 00:00:23,880that meets on weekends in casualclothing. That's so true.600:00:24,390 --> 00:00:28,380Everything going on with thenamespace podcast index.org all700:00:28,380 --> 00:00:31,950the happenings at podcast indexdot social I'm Adam curry here800:00:31,950 --> 00:00:35,430in the heart of the Texas HillCountry and at Alabama the man900:00:35,430 --> 00:00:39,150who's at the root of all your APbridge posts say hello to my1000:00:39,150 --> 00:00:41,370friend on the other end the oneand only Mr1100:00:44,040 --> 00:00:52,080Dave Jones: Oh fresh off the bagof popcorn all finished wait1200:00:52,170 --> 00:00:53,610just in time for the show1300:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,010Adam Curry: you didn't even popyour own you got a bag of1400:00:56,010 --> 00:00:56,640popcorn1500:00:57,299 --> 00:01:00,299Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't havetime to pop I got I got stuff to1600:01:00,299 --> 00:01:00,539do.1700:01:00,630 --> 00:01:03,870Adam Curry: Yeah well your yourpod saves you very busy lots of1800:01:03,870 --> 00:01:08,280stuff lots lots going on. What'shappening? Yes. The man about1900:01:08,280 --> 00:01:08,640town.2000:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,110Dave Jones: Well, I mean you'reyou were flying yourself. Yeah,2100:01:13,110 --> 00:01:13,860I apologize2200:01:13,860 --> 00:01:17,790Adam Curry: out of the border ifyou go past go check it out. See2300:01:17,790 --> 00:01:20,640what happened. I actually didlook to see if there was an2400:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,960airfield near near Eagle Passand there is not because I would2500:01:24,960 --> 00:01:28,530have gladly flown down there butnow I'm reading that they expect2600:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,970700,000 trucks Oh, this seemslike a lot of trucks.2700:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,410Dave Jones: I think anythingover anytime you get into the2800:01:37,410 --> 00:01:40,2901000s when you're talking abouttrucks even 1000 It's a lot of2900:01:40,290 --> 00:01:40,740drugs a3000:01:40,740 --> 00:01:43,170Adam Curry: lot of trucks a lotof trucks yeah everyone's pretty3100:01:43,170 --> 00:01:45,240jacked in that Texas about this3200:01:46,050 --> 00:01:48,660Dave Jones: Oh yeah. Ready tofight rolling the sleeves up.3300:01:49,440 --> 00:01:49,590You3400:01:49,590 --> 00:01:53,400Adam Curry: know that's what I'mworried about. What are we what3500:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,270are we fighting? And all I seethe mainstream do is like, Oh,3600:01:57,300 --> 00:02:00,810this is God's army hits whiteand Christian nationalists. I'm3700:02:00,810 --> 00:02:03,450like, I'm not so sure aboutthat.3800:02:05,190 --> 00:02:07,200Dave Jones: I don't thinkthere's that's that's not3900:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,860accurate.4000:02:09,210 --> 00:02:14,880Adam Curry: It's not accurate.When you go oh, so my buddy Dick4100:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,110Pepe. I've known for 35 years heused to be in the music business4200:02:19,110 --> 00:02:25,140he back in the South Jersey dayswriting and producing for Alice4300:02:25,140 --> 00:02:32,730Cooper Skid Row some Bon Jovistuff. Baton Rouge you know a4400:02:32,730 --> 00:02:35,340whole bunch of hair bands theNelson twins4500:02:36,090 --> 00:02:41,970Dave Jones: the nails Oh yeah. Iforgot about this great great4600:02:41,970 --> 00:02:44,490Adam Curry: hair that's somepretty good songs that some hit4700:02:45,330 --> 00:02:46,590No, we're okay4800:02:47,790 --> 00:02:49,860Dave Jones: with their his nameone of their hits.4900:02:51,150 --> 00:02:54,270Adam Curry: As you know you putme on the spot no and5000:02:55,830 --> 00:02:58,410Dave Jones: see their videotheir music video in my mind.5100:02:59,670 --> 00:03:02,100Adam Curry: I always like somesort of and let me see the5200:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,220Nelson was it twins arebrothers. I can't remember if5300:03:05,220 --> 00:03:07,260they called I think they mighthave called the Nelson they5400:03:07,260 --> 00:03:12,330would just Nelson Nelson. Yes.Yes, it was. This is this is5500:03:12,390 --> 00:03:16,800this one of their big hits. Oh,the video video version. Hey,5600:03:16,890 --> 00:03:20,280let's play a song. Okay.Remember this one can't live5700:03:20,280 --> 00:03:20,580without5800:03:21,930 --> 00:03:22,650Dave Jones: get Louis Yeah.5900:03:23,820 --> 00:03:26,640Adam Curry: Hey, check it out,man. Yeah, let's play the song.6000:03:27,330 --> 00:03:37,260Like that. Little studio 23436100:03:37,260 --> 00:03:37,800Dave Jones: classic6200:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,150Adam Curry: anthem starts likethat.6300:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,250Dave Jones: Just like that andextreme more than word nor that6400:03:47,250 --> 00:03:49,170yeah, that was confused. Yeah.6500:03:49,470 --> 00:03:53,010Adam Curry: Well, this actuallythis was also a hit the remember6600:03:53,010 --> 00:03:59,280this one after the rain. Has theconcept the concept part of the6700:03:59,280 --> 00:03:59,880video?6800:04:01,470 --> 00:04:08,640Dave Jones: Everybody wants methriller. Or is this I don't6900:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,190remember the Native Americanverb knows7000:04:11,460 --> 00:04:13,590Adam Curry: that has somethingto do with it. Right Come on.7100:04:13,890 --> 00:04:20,700Come on guys. Play the song. Oh,that looks so pretty. The Nelson7200:04:20,700 --> 00:04:28,590twins are so Freddie. parrot isafter his rains.7300:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,220Dave Jones: I do. You rememberthis?7400:04:33,150 --> 00:04:37,290Adam Curry: Did this pom pom pompom pom pom pom? Pom Pom Pom Pom7500:04:37,290 --> 00:04:38,580Pom Pom. Anyway7600:04:38,580 --> 00:04:40,020Dave Jones: And this RickyNelson's kids.7700:04:40,020 --> 00:04:42,690Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.That's exactly they are they're7800:04:42,690 --> 00:04:47,430really nice guys, by the way. Soit was Yeah, so I would be part7900:04:47,430 --> 00:04:50,250of the crew. We hang out thereand playing out in the studio8000:04:50,250 --> 00:04:54,840and mess with each other all daylong playing pranks. It was8100:04:55,050 --> 00:04:59,400Yeah, so anyway, Vic got a clueand get out of the music8200:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,740business. Yeah, and he got into,this is a great business he's8300:05:04,740 --> 00:05:11,730in. So he sells it solutions tocompanies, I guess a probably be8400:05:11,730 --> 00:05:15,270selling to you and the CEO or,you know, maybe this8500:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,150Dave Jones: foreign guy, this isnot the porn guy this year old8600:05:18,150 --> 00:05:18,450buddy.8700:05:20,010 --> 00:05:21,900Adam Curry: That's another oneof my great friends. No, this is8800:05:21,900 --> 00:05:27,090not the corn guy. Thanks. No,no, so he'll sell like my8900:05:27,150 --> 00:05:32,220Microsoft Teams, you know, nowwith AI integration, or, you9000:05:32,220 --> 00:05:36,030know, some other call centerstuff. But then channel partner9100:05:36,030 --> 00:05:40,530Yes. And so he, he has therelationship with the company,9200:05:40,890 --> 00:05:45,150takes him out the golf, youknow, all the fun stuff. And9300:05:45,150 --> 00:05:49,920then his company managers, theactual implementation partners.9400:05:50,940 --> 00:05:54,000But he gets as long as as longas that company is still9500:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,450playing, paying, you know, a perseat license for whatever it is,9600:05:57,750 --> 00:06:01,980he gets a piece of that for inperpetuity for, ya know, these9700:06:01,980 --> 00:06:04,440guys, this is a great business,9800:06:05,130 --> 00:06:08,430Dave Jones: holy crap the same.This is the same business that9900:06:08,430 --> 00:06:12,690all the voice over IP guys use.So it's like, they get you in10000:06:12,690 --> 00:06:15,810and they sell you a white labelVoice over IP service. And10100:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,870they're just, they're just like,they don't they don't care. They10200:06:18,870 --> 00:06:20,850have like, 10 differentproviders on the back end.10300:06:21,510 --> 00:06:22,290Something Yeah,10400:06:22,290 --> 00:06:25,710Adam Curry: whatever you want.Whatever you want. Yeah. So he10500:06:25,710 --> 00:06:29,190told me this unbelievable story.So somehow he got into the10600:06:29,190 --> 00:06:33,810Federal Reserve System, whichwas like 1215. Banks, who knows?10700:06:34,560 --> 00:06:42,030And, and so he's and the, therequest there is to reduce their10800:06:42,060 --> 00:06:49,260overall technology spend by $12million dollars a year. So he10900:06:49,260 --> 00:06:52,890gets a spreadsheet. Guess howmuch the Federal Reserve? I hope11000:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,440I'm not blowing anything herefor him. But guess how much the11100:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640Federal Reserve System spends onsoftware annually across all the11200:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,080banks? Their system? Onsoftware? Yes, software licenses11300:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,970and stuff. I'm11400:07:05,970 --> 00:07:10,650Dave Jones: gonna say 75 million$80011500:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,210Adam Curry: million. Oh, my God.I'm like, 12 million. That's11600:07:15,210 --> 00:07:18,300just what falls on the floor inthe morning. Are you kidding me?11700:07:18,300 --> 00:07:19,560You can find that.11800:07:20,130 --> 00:07:22,680Dave Jones: That was off by 10x.Isn't11900:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,410Adam Curry: that crazy? Oh, mygosh.12000:07:26,190 --> 00:07:28,410Dave Jones: I don't It's likeBrewster's millions. I wouldn't12100:07:28,410 --> 00:07:31,830even be able to know. Like, Iwouldn't know how to spin that.12200:07:31,860 --> 00:07:36,210What are the use? Here's $150million. Go spend it. I'm like,12300:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,250I don't think I can. So then12400:07:38,250 --> 00:07:40,440Adam Curry: I'm showing him youknow, Bucha grand ball. I'm12500:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,610showing, you know, the litstuff. I'm showing him how the12600:07:44,610 --> 00:07:47,760streaming sites work. And he'slike, who implemented all this?12700:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,570I said, you know, the, the guysand the gals. Yeah, but who did12800:07:51,570 --> 00:07:54,420it said? Well, it doesn't. It'slike, you know, lightning was a12900:07:54,420 --> 00:07:57,330bunch of other people overthere. And RSS is here, and we13000:07:57,330 --> 00:08:01,620do namespace. And he's been hismind is like boggled. But then13100:08:01,620 --> 00:08:04,710when I when I show how you know,and so you're listening here,13200:08:04,710 --> 00:08:08,280and then the Satoshis come outhere. He's like, what? But But13300:08:08,310 --> 00:08:12,060But couldn't you do that withdollars? I said, No, no, you13400:08:12,060 --> 00:08:16,680can't. If we could, I'm sure wewould. 10 You can't you would.13500:08:16,770 --> 00:08:19,140Dave Jones: Because everybecause every 1000 sets that13600:08:19,140 --> 00:08:26,670goes in 900 of those would go toa seat of office 365.13700:08:29,250 --> 00:08:33,540Adam Curry: It's just crazy. Butanyway, so yeah, so instead of13800:08:33,540 --> 00:08:40,410driving five and a half hours, Igot a Safety Pilot and we flew13900:08:40,410 --> 00:08:44,820up, takes exactly one hour fromthe airport six minutes from my14000:08:44,820 --> 00:08:49,110house, so you can't beat that.You just can't beat it. It's so14100:08:49,110 --> 00:08:53,280beautiful. This is of course at16 gallons an hour of gasoline,14200:08:53,310 --> 00:08:57,090the slur brothers slurps alittle bit more than the car.14300:08:58,470 --> 00:09:00,000Dave Jones: That's another step.That's a slur.14400:09:00,060 --> 00:09:04,290Adam Curry: We flew out after noagenda on Thursday, so it was in14500:09:04,290 --> 00:09:08,310the dark. That was cool. Yeah,that was very cool. Have you14600:09:08,310 --> 00:09:12,870flown in the dark much? Well, Idid to get my initial license. I14700:09:12,870 --> 00:09:15,990haven't flown in the dark herein Texas. It's just beautiful.14800:09:16,170 --> 00:09:16,950It's beautiful.14900:09:17,850 --> 00:09:20,700Dave Jones: Lights and what areyou hot? I mean, how hot Are15000:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,410you? 15,000 No, no,15100:09:22,410 --> 00:09:25,770Adam Curry: it's not pressurizedat 9000 feet. Okay, so it's just15200:09:25,770 --> 00:09:28,230you know, just where it'scomfortable. We're not like I15300:09:28,230 --> 00:09:30,210feel kind of spacey15400:09:32,010 --> 00:09:34,350Dave Jones: hypoxia, so youdon't need pressure. You just15500:09:34,350 --> 00:09:36,780need some heat. That's about it.Yeah,15600:09:36,810 --> 00:09:39,810Adam Curry: yeah. He was fullyair conditioned, you know has15700:09:39,930 --> 00:09:46,590cupholders you name it. NiceSirius XM Radio. Parachutes15800:09:46,590 --> 00:09:51,030parachute apparently CarPlay andAndroid Auto, whatever you want.15900:09:51,900 --> 00:09:55,260We actually can sync your youriPad to to the system.16000:09:56,100 --> 00:09:58,860Dave Jones: So that way you canget your you can get your your16100:09:58,860 --> 00:10:01,800pod with your pod verse chat.yours. Yep, yeah. On the16200:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,850dashboard, the dashboard Yeah.9000 feet.16300:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,270Adam Curry: That's right. That'sright. Oh, man. So anyway, so16400:10:09,300 --> 00:10:13,560and, you know, just in all thejust, I think I've completely16500:10:13,560 --> 00:10:18,690spaced on it to tell you that weneed to change everything and so16600:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,860then on a dime, you flip itaround and you contact our16700:10:22,890 --> 00:10:25,650already scheduled guest today.I'm gonna I'm sure bring him in16800:10:25,650 --> 00:10:31,110here. Who was kind enough toflip his schedule around and we16900:10:31,110 --> 00:10:34,350are very proud to have with usthe official podcasting 2.017000:10:34,350 --> 00:10:37,950consultant. Ladies, gentlemen,our other friend on the other17100:10:37,950 --> 00:10:39,870end, Mr. Alex gates.17200:10:41,130 --> 00:10:41,880Alecks Gates: Hello, gentlemen.17300:10:42,090 --> 00:10:44,910Adam Curry: Yeah, you sound soprofessional. Nice. So great17400:10:44,910 --> 00:10:49,170Alex's number the men the firsttime we had him on. Yeah17500:10:55,770 --> 00:10:59,550Dave Jones: yeah, yes. Honeytones now. This is great. Oh, I17600:10:59,550 --> 00:11:02,130love it. Oh, you sound great.17700:11:03,270 --> 00:11:06,420Adam Curry: He has kind of, he'sgot the big bottom sound on me.17800:11:06,420 --> 00:11:07,740What am I doing? You got it.17900:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,220Alecks Gates: Electro voicealready? 320 I believe. That's18000:11:11,220 --> 00:11:12,690Adam Curry: what that's the Adamcurry mic.18100:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,520Dave Jones: And the Dave Jonesmic. Yes.18200:11:14,730 --> 00:11:20,460Adam Curry: I thought SM sevenB? No,18300:11:20,460 --> 00:11:23,580Dave Jones: no, I'm on the 320We're all I've always been on18400:11:23,580 --> 00:11:24,000320.18500:11:24,060 --> 00:11:26,370Adam Curry: And we're on kickdrum mic as a kick drum mic.18600:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,820Dave Jones: Is it? Yeah. What doyou got? Bass? The Alley you18700:11:29,820 --> 00:11:31,860got? You got a deep voice. Yougot a deeper voice than I've18800:11:31,860 --> 00:11:32,700ever heard before.18900:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,590Alecks Gates: Yeah, I used tolisten to my Allison myself on19000:11:37,590 --> 00:11:39,840the old mic. And yeah, Idefinitely didn't hear it. But I19100:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,410think you're right.19200:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,070Adam Curry: The old mic thatwasn't a mic wasn't as like just19300:11:45,150 --> 00:11:48,000oh, oh, show beer. What are wedrinking?19400:11:49,770 --> 00:11:53,520Dave Jones: This is uh, this isa liquid death sparkling water?19500:11:53,940 --> 00:11:57,570Because for some reason I liketo spend like $3 a can on19600:11:57,750 --> 00:12:01,740Adam Curry: water. Yeah. Verygood. Very good. Sorry about. So19700:12:01,770 --> 00:12:04,860I think we should start off withwith this rather interesting19800:12:04,860 --> 00:12:06,630news that that reached us.19900:12:08,010 --> 00:12:09,390Dave Jones: I would likeeverybody to take out their20000:12:09,390 --> 00:12:14,190Bibles. Yes. Okay. Bring out thebook. Then turn to Luke chapter20100:12:14,190 --> 00:12:14,94011. Verse20200:12:15,180 --> 00:12:19,260Adam Curry: five. Okay. And whatdoes it say in 11? Five. Luke20300:12:19,260 --> 00:12:19,650chapter20400:12:19,650 --> 00:12:23,730Dave Jones: 11. Verse five says,then teaching them more about20500:12:23,730 --> 00:12:27,990prayer. He used this story.Suppose you want you suppose you20600:12:27,990 --> 00:12:30,960went to a friend's house atmidnight, wanting to borrow20700:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,800three loaves of bread. You sayto him, a friend of mine has20800:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,340just arrived for a visit and Ihave nothing for him to eat. And20900:12:38,340 --> 00:12:41,220suppose he calls out from hisbedroom. Don't bother me. The21000:12:41,220 --> 00:12:43,560door is locked for the night. Myfamily and I are on the bed. I21100:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,660can't help you. I tell you21200:12:45,660 --> 00:12:48,960Adam Curry: this real scripture,ladies and gentlemen. Yeah,21300:12:49,140 --> 00:12:51,390Dave Jones: but I tell you thisthough, he won't do it for21400:12:51,390 --> 00:12:54,690friendship sake. If you keepknocking long enough. He will21500:12:54,690 --> 00:12:57,690get up and give you whatever youneed because of your shameless21600:12:57,690 --> 00:12:58,560persistence.21700:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,120Adam Curry: Say that in theBible shame. Your shame was.21800:13:06,780 --> 00:13:10,860Dave Jones: I love the NIV saysYou're shameless. You're21900:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,140shameless audacity. I think.22000:13:15,510 --> 00:13:17,250Adam Curry: Truer words neverspoken. Go22100:13:17,250 --> 00:13:19,950Dave Jones: away. Yeah. Sotranslation is our shameless22200:13:19,950 --> 00:13:23,100persistence will eventuallyannoy everybody into submission.22300:13:23,130 --> 00:13:24,330Even apple. Isn't22400:13:24,330 --> 00:13:28,470Adam Curry: this. Where if ifyour son asks you for, you know,22500:13:28,500 --> 00:13:31,260for something to eat, would yougive him like a dead fish or22600:13:31,260 --> 00:13:33,660something? Or stinky rock?Bread? Would22700:13:33,660 --> 00:13:35,760Dave Jones: you give him astone? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.22800:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,940Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go.I know. I'm sure. Well, it22900:13:38,940 --> 00:13:43,050happens their foot in the doorwithout basically by ignoring23000:13:43,050 --> 00:13:46,380them. This is very good. I'mvery proud. Very proud, very23100:13:46,380 --> 00:13:48,900proud of our accomplishment thatyou took a meeting with them23200:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,440yesterday with the Apple team.Can you talk about that? I mean,23300:13:52,470 --> 00:13:54,780you just tell us briefly whathappened here because it came23400:13:54,930 --> 00:14:00,960kind of from all directions.First, it was short. And then,23500:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,270like the floodgates opened upall of a sudden.23600:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,920Dave Jones: Yeah. Ted Hoffman,it's in an email saying, Hey,23700:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,030let's listen to him. Let's do ameeting. I need to tell you23800:14:12,030 --> 00:14:18,030something. And then, like, outof 30 minutes later, Mastodon23900:14:18,030 --> 00:14:23,130Tomlin started blowing up applesdo a transcript tag. So, you24000:14:23,130 --> 00:14:25,770know, it was just bloody I mean,you know, Todd started, you24100:14:25,770 --> 00:14:26,940know, started the flood and24200:14:27,090 --> 00:14:30,450Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. ByTodd is usually the guy who's24300:14:30,450 --> 00:14:33,180like, I can't tell you I'm underNDA.24400:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,160Dave Jones: Todd kind of threwrss.com under the bus in his in24500:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,310his Oh, really? What did he do?Like? He was like, no, he's24600:14:41,310 --> 00:14:46,140like, Hey, I heard Apple's doingthe transcript tag because RSS24700:14:46,140 --> 00:14:48,810sent out an email from a thingthat they got from Apple. It's24800:14:48,810 --> 00:14:51,630like he was kind of like seelike covering his bases like24900:14:54,090 --> 00:15:00,780someone else. Just stuck in themiddle guys. But yeah, Oh, it25000:15:00,780 --> 00:15:03,420was but anyway, so yeah, we hadwe had a meeting and they just25100:15:03,420 --> 00:15:11,370showed me the they showed me thetranscript feature. And just25200:15:11,370 --> 00:15:14,010went over some someimplementation details talking25300:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,310about, like some things thattheir team has has said about25400:15:18,090 --> 00:15:22,350things we should be aware of,with interpretation of the tag.25500:15:22,830 --> 00:15:27,300And then a couple of things thatthey wanted, that they were25600:15:27,990 --> 00:15:30,030Adam Curry: the number one thingthey wanted was to be on the25700:15:30,030 --> 00:15:31,800modern podcast apps list.25800:15:34,860 --> 00:15:37,050Dave Jones: I said last week, Iwas like, Look, I'm gonna put25900:15:37,050 --> 00:15:42,000you on modern podcast apps.com.I'm not, I don't know if I can26000:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,700get you to nude podcast apps.comThat's,26100:15:45,780 --> 00:15:48,120Unknown: that means specialist.You26200:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,310Dave Jones: don't just walk ityou don't just walk around your26300:15:50,310 --> 00:15:53,700neck, like your pod friendearned that you got to earn26400:15:53,700 --> 00:16:01,710this. So I mean, I think so justin general. They did the right26500:16:01,710 --> 00:16:07,470thing. I mean, it's they they'rea big company with with a lot of26600:16:07,470 --> 00:16:10,230resources, obviously, they couldhave they could have easily just26700:16:10,230 --> 00:16:10,860said look,26800:16:10,860 --> 00:16:15,030Adam Curry: screw it iTunescolon transcript, or they could26900:16:15,030 --> 00:16:15,120have27000:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,800Dave Jones: just not doneanything at all and just auto27100:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,200generated all the transcriptsand said, Do you know that's27200:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,560what you get? We're not your youcan't do your own transcript,27300:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,360we're just going to autogenerate them. It's what Spotify27400:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,430does. And you and YouTube,27500:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,990Adam Curry: this is what this iswhat made me so happy. I even27600:16:30,990 --> 00:16:34,950saw in their spec in their, youknow, their spec or whatever27700:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,600they call it kind of the how touse podcasts Apple podcast, they27800:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,470refer to the namespace to theGitHub namespace. That was cool.27900:16:44,010 --> 00:16:46,680Yeah, link to it on there. Yeah.So what are the parameters28000:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,540around this? That if you have anexisting transcript that will28100:16:51,540 --> 00:16:55,050flow through, they won't doanything? It'll just happen.28200:16:55,410 --> 00:17:01,440And, and do they, for just fromwhat I've been reading, at 900028300:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,950feet, excuse me, I have to reada little person messengers here.28400:17:06,660 --> 00:17:13,380It appears that they will takeyour name recognition, Speaker28500:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,800names and stuff, and that'llshow up that that'll all work28600:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,490perfectly.28700:17:18,569 --> 00:17:22,229Dave Jones: Yeah. So there's,yes. Let me go over a little bit28800:17:22,229 --> 00:17:29,459of the technical partners. Theyso they didn't they did they did28900:17:29,459 --> 00:17:31,709it. It's I don't know if you'veseen it, but they did it very29000:17:31,709 --> 00:17:34,679well. I mean, it looks, it looksno I haven't seen it looks29100:17:34,679 --> 00:17:37,979really good. It's got the wordby word highlighting that's.29200:17:38,670 --> 00:17:40,410Adam Curry: VTT word by word or29300:17:41,309 --> 00:17:45,299Dave Jones: TT or SRT both both.Oh, cool. Yeah, write custom29400:17:45,299 --> 00:17:50,489font. For for it. Speak. It'sthe guest speaker labels, if29500:17:50,489 --> 00:17:55,169those are in there, but only inVTT. You can search the29600:17:55,169 --> 00:18:00,449transcript there's halls ormusic that plays during the show29700:18:00,449 --> 00:18:04,589that you'll get this little iconsort of like, like, three dot29800:18:04,589 --> 00:18:07,349indicator saying, Hey, we'rejust kind of chillin while until29900:18:07,379 --> 00:18:09,929the words come back. Asbasically everything you'd30000:18:09,929 --> 00:18:13,649expect in a high qualitytranscript feature. I mean,30100:18:14,399 --> 00:18:20,129other 2.0 apps go further,obviously, like pod friend. True30200:18:20,129 --> 00:18:26,129friends, go further and showlike in show the person tag and30300:18:26,129 --> 00:18:28,799link, you know, link out to theAvid, you know, avatars of the30400:18:28,799 --> 00:18:32,729speaker. But I mean, when itcomes to honoring just the30500:18:32,729 --> 00:18:38,429intent of this one tag. I can'treally find anything to30600:18:38,429 --> 00:18:45,059criticize. I mean, I think Ithink there is room for them to30700:18:45,059 --> 00:18:48,209go forward and start to do moreof this stuff. And I think30800:18:48,209 --> 00:18:51,209they've, I think by doing this,they've indicated that they that30900:18:51,209 --> 00:18:54,119they're open to do that. Youcan't really find anything to31000:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,079criticize because they're mean31100:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,119Adam Curry: well, they basicallyaccept they've accepted the31200:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,929namespace that that's the thingthat makes me happy on the other31300:19:00,929 --> 00:19:06,179side, I'm also like, okay, so Istill want our apps to be super31400:19:06,179 --> 00:19:07,979competitive, which they31500:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,560Dave Jones: are and they will beso I31600:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,349Adam Curry: want from myperspective you No, I'm not31700:19:13,349 --> 00:19:17,099gonna like Oh, it's great.Everyone go to Apple nope, no,31800:19:17,099 --> 00:19:21,389no, not gonna not gonna do that.But I really appreciate the31900:19:21,389 --> 00:19:24,779people who were there and whohave implemented it in this32000:19:24,779 --> 00:19:29,489manner because that is exactlythat's exactly what you'd hope32100:19:29,489 --> 00:19:33,809and it is exactly what we neverexpected. Because big that not32200:19:33,809 --> 00:19:38,159nothing against Apple per se,but you know, Spotify is is the32300:19:38,399 --> 00:19:41,759is the example. They just goout. No, we're Spotify. We got32400:19:41,759 --> 00:19:50,459it all. And I think it's a bigfu to Spotify. It's it also I'm32500:19:50,459 --> 00:19:55,049sure they did this a becauseit's kind of low hanging fruit.32600:19:55,679 --> 00:19:59,999Seems it also was good becauseyou know they're they're genuine32700:19:59,999 --> 00:20:05,009writing it for every podcast.It. I think it kind of spurs32800:20:05,009 --> 00:20:08,609people on to do it through theirhosts, because you have a lot32900:20:08,609 --> 00:20:11,699more control over over what'shappening there. And I, I'm sure33000:20:11,699 --> 00:20:16,019their transcripts are great. Idon't know what they're using,33100:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,679and also kind of shows thatspeaker recognition is hard33200:20:19,679 --> 00:20:22,259business, which is why they'renot doing it.33300:20:23,519 --> 00:20:25,199Dave Jones: Well, they Yeah,they're not Yeah, they're not33400:20:25,199 --> 00:20:30,659doing that in this. So they'vekind of built to think this is33500:20:30,659 --> 00:20:32,969worth talking about for asecond, they built two things33600:20:32,969 --> 00:20:38,909here. They built a transcriptgeneration service. And this33700:20:38,909 --> 00:20:41,819feature into the podcast app, soyou can go and grab the33800:20:41,819 --> 00:20:45,389transcript that they autogenerate for you. You can edit33900:20:45,389 --> 00:20:49,889it, and then stick it back inyour feed with the RSS with the34000:20:49,889 --> 00:20:53,579podcast transcript, right? Andyou have a VTT transcript that34100:20:53,579 --> 00:20:57,509was auto generated for you. Andso you, you can basically just34200:20:57,539 --> 00:21:00,059use that thing for free. Andthey encourage that. I mean,34300:21:00,059 --> 00:21:01,979they said that during themeeting, they're like, you know,34400:21:02,339 --> 00:21:04,769here's how you do it, you roundtrip it back through RSS if you34500:21:04,769 --> 00:21:05,459want to do this.34600:21:05,730 --> 00:21:08,760Adam Curry: So could you evenautomate that from a podcast34700:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,720hosting company?34800:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,110Dave Jones: I don't think so.And and I think they're34900:21:13,110 --> 00:21:15,420probably, you know, I think itprobably terms and stuff like35000:21:15,420 --> 00:21:18,090that, but I think like, youknow, I don't know, that'd be35100:21:18,090 --> 00:21:21,780kind of weird, but but I did askthem does it work on video35200:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,480podcasts? And this is, you know,someone to talk to you about35300:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,530Alex? Because I was thinkingabout peer to does does this35400:21:28,530 --> 00:21:31,890work on video podcasts? Theysaid no. So the transcripts or35500:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,420audio podcast, only writing itfor now, and they said they35600:21:36,420 --> 00:21:39,270really have any plans to makethat to make that any different.35700:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,750But I think VTT does what appearto us is right. Yeah, correct.35800:21:46,770 --> 00:21:52,560Okay, is that does is their,this, this was kind of this was35900:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,920kind of odd, I think in becauseI didn't really fully understand36000:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,860the VTT spec. That well, untilthis week, when I had to go and36100:22:01,860 --> 00:22:05,910kind of brush up on things. AndI didn't realize until a couple36200:22:05,910 --> 00:22:10,860of days ago, that is the howintense this thing is. It has36300:22:10,860 --> 00:22:16,440got so much it's in it'sessentially XML in, in, it's36400:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,430like a sec, you take SRT, andyou embed a stylesheet engine,36500:22:20,790 --> 00:22:24,480and XML and all this stuff intoit. It is a crazy big spec with36600:22:24,510 --> 00:22:29,280all kinds of stuff like you canmake. You can control the style36700:22:29,310 --> 00:22:34,170of the output of all the VT ofall the cash, like a markdown36800:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,270type thing. markdown. Yeah,yeah. Yeah, for sure. In like,36900:22:39,450 --> 00:22:43,950it's pretty intense. But from myunderstanding, I don't know what37000:22:43,950 --> 00:22:47,040peer tube supports when it showsit. But they said they're on37100:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,500their side that they're onlygoing to basically they're just37200:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,750doing speaker Speaker Labels.And that's it.37300:22:54,839 --> 00:22:56,819Alecks Gates: Yeah, I don'tthink peer tube even enforces37400:22:56,819 --> 00:23:01,049the spirit Speaker Labels. Andanyway, just kind of converts if37500:23:01,079 --> 00:23:05,459you can upload SRT. So it's likea really basic, basic trans37600:23:05,489 --> 00:23:08,639transcript. I think it only usesVTT, because that's what the37700:23:08,639 --> 00:23:09,539browser supports.37800:23:11,250 --> 00:23:12,930Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Becauseyou can just stick that run to37900:23:12,930 --> 00:23:15,240the to the like, video tag orwhatever.38000:23:16,050 --> 00:23:20,220Alecks Gates: We do have Markcalls film killing yard has a38100:23:20,220 --> 00:23:24,780VTT transcript that someonecould test with. It's really38200:23:24,780 --> 00:23:31,770basic isn't it gets out of syncto I don't even know if Apple38300:23:31,770 --> 00:23:33,480supports HLS video anyway.38400:23:34,619 --> 00:23:36,509Adam Curry: I thought that theypioneered it. I thought they38500:23:36,509 --> 00:23:38,159pioneered they created Yeah.38600:23:38,190 --> 00:23:39,660Alecks Gates: Well, they'vecreated the protocol. I don't38700:23:39,660 --> 00:23:42,660know if they're supporting Applepodcasts. Okay, okay. Oh,38800:23:42,660 --> 00:23:44,520Dave Jones: that's, that wasthat'd be it?38900:23:45,419 --> 00:23:47,219Alecks Gates: I have no idea. Ijust don't know.39000:23:47,730 --> 00:23:49,590Adam Curry: Did they sayanything else? I mean, did you39100:23:49,650 --> 00:23:53,100say you definitely felt thatthere was an A A hint of well,39200:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,760this is based start, you know,the we this is how we'll do39300:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,850stuff, maybe more coming dot dotdot.39400:24:01,109 --> 00:24:03,749Dave Jones: I mean, I did get Idid get that feeling. I felt39500:24:03,749 --> 00:24:06,719like they wanted to play ball.But they with with things in the39600:24:06,719 --> 00:24:10,499future. But there's they're bigand they're slow. And they take39700:24:10,499 --> 00:24:13,049a lot of time. And honestly, Imean, that's that. I mean,39800:24:13,049 --> 00:24:15,929that's okay. But it may notunderstand. I mean, that's the39900:24:15,929 --> 00:24:20,249way things go in a largecorporation. And so the, I mean,40000:24:20,279 --> 00:24:24,299they asked Ted I'm like, Well,what, you know, what, what would40100:24:24,299 --> 00:24:27,629your message be to like peoplein the podcasting 2.0 deaf40200:24:27,629 --> 00:24:31,619group. And he said, I want youknow, he's like, if I can say40300:24:31,619 --> 00:24:35,579anything, I would say that Applepodcast is a modern podcast app.40400:24:35,579 --> 00:24:39,629I want them to think of it thatway. Wow. That tells me that you40500:24:39,629 --> 00:24:42,089know, they're there want to goforward with other things. So40600:24:42,149 --> 00:24:42,779we'll see what happens40700:24:42,809 --> 00:24:44,039Adam Curry: boosting is next.40800:24:49,470 --> 00:24:53,070Dave Jones: Me I think I thinkVTT I don't know if you agree40900:24:53,070 --> 00:24:56,490with this, Alex. But I mean,it's hard to ignore somebody41000:24:56,490 --> 00:24:59,760that's got that much. So in anapp coming in, that has that41100:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,460much market share. So it reallymakes I think VTT probably41200:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,280become the default. Probablywhat everybody should be41300:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,590generating by default, sinceit's basically, since it's41400:25:10,590 --> 00:25:13,830really not that much moredifficult to generate than SRT.41500:25:16,019 --> 00:25:17,729Alecks Gates: Yeah, I wouldagree with that. There's pretty41600:25:17,729 --> 00:25:20,609much no reason not too. I mean,there, there's an argument to be41700:25:20,609 --> 00:25:24,359made that we could maybe some ofthe absolute favorite JSON just41800:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,489because of the word by wordtimestamps. But otherwise, I41900:25:29,579 --> 00:25:30,359would agree with that.42000:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,650Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz then youthen you just get, you get web42100:25:35,070 --> 00:25:36,450kind of for free. You know?42200:25:39,420 --> 00:25:43,110Adam Curry: I'm just looking tosee if otter outputs VTT, I42300:25:43,110 --> 00:25:47,190don't even know I never evenlooked at it. I say SRT42400:25:47,190 --> 00:25:50,700Dave Jones: and VTT are soclose, all relate to each other.42500:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,760I mean, they're, they're soclose to each other as far as42600:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,860the actual format goes. Iguarantee you there's some like,42700:25:59,820 --> 00:26:02,070converter or something likethat. But But see, you know, on42800:26:02,070 --> 00:26:08,970the podcast in 2.0, the appside? Well, I guess I can42900:26:09,150 --> 00:26:14,340clarify does that anymore. Butso in on the, you know, for the43000:26:14,340 --> 00:26:18,540apps, like from the from thatpodcast, and on a dev group,43100:26:19,050 --> 00:26:24,120those are going to be probably alot of times using Steven43200:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,950craters transcript, dater live.Right, right. So they can just43300:26:28,950 --> 00:26:33,300kind of consume anything in andout, and they're going to43400:26:33,300 --> 00:26:37,590output. Whatever. I mean, Ithink the developers really even43500:26:37,590 --> 00:26:40,650care at that point what you givethem they're just, they43600:26:40,650 --> 00:26:42,420Adam Curry: can they can pickand eat it however they want.43700:26:42,420 --> 00:26:47,370Yeah, but newsflash otter doesnot do, Vicente. That's what43800:26:47,370 --> 00:26:55,950I've been using SRT. Yeah. Sothis, of course, begs the43900:26:55,950 --> 00:27:04,680question. Do we now get to saythat approximately 46% of all44000:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,020downloads are podcast 2.0 apps?Let's be honest about it.44100:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,279Alecks Gates: I think so. It'sreally, it's really validating,44200:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,339as someone who works so hard thenamespace because I was44300:27:17,339 --> 00:27:19,439listening to pod news weeklyreview, and they were talking44400:27:19,439 --> 00:27:23,489about Lipson, you know, prettymuch not caring about podcasting44500:27:23,489 --> 00:27:27,3292.0 features, and it's like, doyou want to change the world? Or44600:27:27,329 --> 00:27:29,429do you want apple to do it foryou? And44700:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,280Adam Curry: and learn there's nocoincidences in the kingdom? No44800:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640sooner? No sooner had thosewords been spoken? Or they they44900:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,410did it? They did exactly that.45000:27:41,009 --> 00:27:43,139Dave Jones: What a great thatthat's a great way to put it.45100:27:43,139 --> 00:27:47,399Alex is like, are you just gonnasit back and wait for somebody45200:27:47,399 --> 00:27:49,559else to do this stuff for you?Or do you want to have a hand in45300:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,369creating it? And then right now,I feel you on that, brother, I45400:27:53,369 --> 00:27:58,979mean, like, so. And I think thatI think that they're going to be45500:27:58,979 --> 00:28:03,239involved in the way that theycan. So one of the things that45600:28:03,239 --> 00:28:04,169they requested45700:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,130Adam Curry: was an invite topodcasting. Next on social.45800:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,880We're already there. I mean, Iknow we got people there lurk,45900:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,090and46000:28:15,089 --> 00:28:18,929Dave Jones: yeah, they're like,but one of the things that they46100:28:18,959 --> 00:28:25,709talked about was, AI, wastagging. So they're, they're big46200:28:25,739 --> 00:28:31,919on. They're big on AI tagging.So they want things to be46300:28:31,979 --> 00:28:35,819clearly labeled whether or notin there, if you look on their46400:28:35,819 --> 00:28:39,629transcript page, if it's an autogenerated transcript that they46500:28:39,629 --> 00:28:44,339created in their system, it'sgoing to say at the bottom, this46600:28:44,339 --> 00:28:49,379was generated, this is autogenerated. And they want to, he46700:28:49,379 --> 00:28:53,939was saying that he wanted toextend that if possible, by46800:28:53,939 --> 00:28:56,249adding it's46900:28:59,220 --> 00:29:00,840Adam Curry: he's lurking quick,let me kick them off.47000:29:01,950 --> 00:29:07,080Dave Jones: So he said, he saidthey want to extend that to, to47100:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,690the transcript tag, if we canfigure out as a group a way to47200:29:09,690 --> 00:29:14,280do that, well, essentially, likeput in some sort of generator47300:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,430attribute or something that wascalled where this transcript47400:29:17,430 --> 00:29:18,000came from.47500:29:18,030 --> 00:29:21,840Adam Curry: I think I recall adiscussion about that on a on47600:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,420the GitHub, I think, actually,James might have been talking47700:29:24,420 --> 00:29:27,600about that, if I recallcorrectly. There was something47800:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,350about that,47900:29:28,769 --> 00:29:31,829Dave Jones: as well, there was atag proposal for just in general48000:29:31,859 --> 00:29:35,999saying, tagging an entirepodcast as this is an AI48100:29:35,999 --> 00:29:40,979podcast, like it. This is an AIgenerated podcast. And I think48200:29:41,069 --> 00:29:45,959that like this would be youknow, what they were saying and,48300:29:46,499 --> 00:29:51,239and I think it's probably a goodidea is that if you extend if48400:29:51,239 --> 00:29:55,379you sort of like because that'sa little bit too broad. I mean,48500:29:55,499 --> 00:29:59,519like there's certain aspects ofthe podcast that could be aI48600:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,209generated Did you may that wemay really need to have48700:30:03,209 --> 00:30:07,919disclosed? Like, perhaps thetranscript itself comes from an48800:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,099AI generated come in, it couldbe that your deck could almost48900:30:11,099 --> 00:30:13,979be like a disclaimer like, Hey,don't you know if we, if this49000:30:13,979 --> 00:30:18,179thing gets wrong? Yeah, it camefrom it came from AI or49100:30:18,179 --> 00:30:18,629whatever, it49200:30:18,659 --> 00:30:20,609Adam Curry: shouldn't be at thebottom, it should be at the top49300:30:20,609 --> 00:30:22,709of the transcript, honestly, forsure.49400:30:23,309 --> 00:30:26,909Dave Jones: in things like, likethe, maybe the person tag it49500:30:26,909 --> 00:30:29,789had, maybe there's a attributein there this is, you know, is49600:30:29,789 --> 00:30:32,819this essentially some sort ofway to indicate whether or not49700:30:32,819 --> 00:30:35,549this was an actual person orsome kind of autogenerate? Just49800:30:35,549 --> 00:30:35,609a49900:30:35,609 --> 00:30:38,639Adam Curry: crazy thought. But,you know, the, the GitHub50000:30:38,639 --> 00:30:43,079discussions are open foranybody. I mean, now, it's kind50100:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,389of going through one person thanthe next, but I'd love to see50200:30:45,389 --> 00:30:48,149them in there with someproposals. Now,50300:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,950Dave Jones: they're in there.They're in there sometimes.50400:30:49,950 --> 00:30:52,890Yeah, they were, you know, theyworked on the txt tag with us.50500:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,380Adam Curry: Right, right. Okay,good. Good.50600:30:55,529 --> 00:30:58,379Dave Jones: Yeah. But I think Ithink it's something that will50700:30:58,409 --> 00:30:58,589well,50800:30:58,590 --> 00:31:03,450Adam Curry: now I'm gonna go buyan Apple vision Pro. I feel good50900:31:03,450 --> 00:31:07,020now. And while we're on thetopic, anyone who might be51000:31:07,020 --> 00:31:10,590listening over there, I am verygung ho on creating a virtual51100:31:10,590 --> 00:31:14,850podcast studio, here's anopportunity, just say, where51200:31:14,850 --> 00:31:17,220Dave Jones: you can fly nowwithout leaving your home. At51300:31:17,220 --> 00:31:20,040the border. I live inFredericksburg.51400:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,310Adam Curry: Now I want to beflying and doing a podcast at51500:31:23,310 --> 00:31:24,030the same time.51600:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,660Dave Jones: He's got the Patriotapp, he just load up. So yeah,51700:31:30,660 --> 00:31:33,030but it's good. I mean, that'sgreat. Good thing. Yeah.51800:31:33,029 --> 00:31:35,759Adam Curry: And congratulationsto everybody. Congratulations to51900:31:36,149 --> 00:31:42,959everybody in the podcast and 2.0orchestra. And enter the apple52000:31:42,959 --> 00:31:47,279team, I'm really very happyabout this. Because this is one52100:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,339of these moments. And I thinkwe've talked about this52200:31:50,339 --> 00:31:53,729Meantime, just someone's gonnahappen. And then and, and there52300:31:53,729 --> 00:31:57,329will be a bump. And this isalthough this is maybe not a52400:31:57,329 --> 00:32:02,969huge public facing bump. This issomething that shows it52500:32:02,969 --> 00:32:06,029completely certifies what we'redoing, it validates what we're52600:32:06,029 --> 00:32:06,419doing.52700:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,420Dave Jones: I just think it'shilarious to have podcast52800:32:09,420 --> 00:32:12,810apps.com and apple at the verybottom of the list, one tag.52900:32:13,650 --> 00:32:15,060That just makes me so happy.53000:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600Adam Curry: Speaking of lists,so and I see you have some53100:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,370clips, of course, I haven'tlistened to anything you sent53200:32:23,370 --> 00:32:26,400me. But there wasn't adiscussion. I also have not53300:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,220unfortunately listened to podpod news weekly review, I feel53400:32:29,220 --> 00:32:32,310like I haven't done my homeworkthis week yet. But I saw the53500:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,910topics. And so this was aconversation that well, you53600:32:35,910 --> 00:32:41,220know, and I if I recall, the thepeople of podcasting 2.0 They53700:32:41,220 --> 00:32:45,930won't really tell you that it'sonly 1% of apps. Like okay, and53800:32:45,930 --> 00:32:49,290then so I started a little alittle thread. I said, Well,53900:32:49,860 --> 00:32:53,700this all depends, you know, wecan all wait around for, you54000:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,500know, some some marketing firmto come along and promote the54100:32:58,500 --> 00:33:03,150benefits of podcasting 2.0 Or dowhat people are already doing is54200:33:03,150 --> 00:33:06,810I promote to my slightly lessthan 1 million no agenda54300:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,890listeners an app, you know,podcast apps.com, but I always54400:33:10,890 --> 00:33:14,850talk about an app that I'musing. And then I went and I54500:33:14,850 --> 00:33:17,280looked at the OP three stats,and I see that, you know, I've54600:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,530got 30% using pod verse, I'vegot 15% using fountain, then54700:33:22,530 --> 00:33:27,390chyron pops up his op threelist, he's got 60% of his54800:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,710audience using fountain. This isthis is how the marketing works.54900:33:32,070 --> 00:33:35,340And, and to me, it was just kindof like, I like to remind55000:33:35,340 --> 00:33:39,330everybody, podcasting isn't aplatform. You know, it's not55100:33:39,330 --> 00:33:43,740like one big monolith where, youknow, it's only the aggregate55200:33:43,740 --> 00:33:48,240that counts. It's just not true.So I have a million people,55300:33:48,270 --> 00:33:53,940there's 300,000 that are usingpod verse. That's not bad.55400:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600Dave Jones: No, that's notthat's not bad. That's, that's55500:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,820not just not bad. That's great.Yeah. Like,55600:34:00,479 --> 00:34:02,609Adam Curry: then, and a coupleof people were putting up their55700:34:02,609 --> 00:34:05,729stats. And I was like, No, yeah,you can look at it that way that55800:34:05,729 --> 00:34:11,609it's less than 1%. But for myworld, which is only important55900:34:11,609 --> 00:34:15,959to me, it's a much highernumber, and I'm super happy and56000:34:15,959 --> 00:34:19,889I and I get those people to usethose apps. And they try56100:34:19,889 --> 00:34:23,099different ones out. And youknow, there's a lot of there's56200:34:23,099 --> 00:34:27,41915 of them now. And and Ipromote the I promote the56300:34:27,419 --> 00:34:32,429benefits and for my money. Thenumber one thing that I'd love56400:34:32,429 --> 00:34:37,259to see Apple use is pod ping. Imean, that wouldn't actually you56500:34:37,259 --> 00:34:40,559could actually send out a pressrelease that Apple is saving the56600:34:40,559 --> 00:34:47,249environment by polling less, andwe have hundreds of 1000s of56700:34:47,249 --> 00:34:49,349feeds that are that are hittingpod ping56800:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,470Dave Jones: with you, if youYeah, I mean, Alex brought up so56900:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,830you know he is talking aboutAlex, you were talking about57000:34:58,980 --> 00:35:01,590what Rob said he's you Just justto catch everybody up in case57100:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,590they don't know what we'retalking about. This is Rob Walsh57200:35:07,590 --> 00:35:12,270from the feed, which he works atLipson, and he's they have a57300:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,490podcast called the feed. Andhe's talked to him about on57400:35:17,490 --> 00:35:20,520there. He had a question from alistener about what is57500:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,810podcasting? 2.0? Like, how do Iget involved? And this was his57600:35:24,810 --> 00:35:25,320answer.57700:35:25,980 --> 00:35:30,120Adam Curry: Which one is this?Internet? Rob? Rob, what57800:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,860Dave Jones: is podcasting? 2.0?I'm57900:35:31,860 --> 00:35:35,400Adam Curry: sorry, yes, I see ithere at the bottom. Alright,58000:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,150Unknown: podcasting. 2.0 is notone thing. It is many, many58100:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,080different items, none of whichare supported by Apple podcasts58200:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,950or Spotify. Actually, less than1% of all downloads to58300:35:46,950 --> 00:35:50,700aggregator apps come from appsthat support any of the podcast58400:35:50,700 --> 00:35:54,5402.0 specs, this is something youdo not hear the podcast 2.058500:35:54,540 --> 00:35:57,690proponents mention, there'svirtually no support on the58600:35:57,690 --> 00:36:01,680listener side per aggregatorapps, which is where it's posted58700:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,430matter most.58800:36:06,659 --> 00:36:08,369Dave Jones: You put that inthere, that was not me, you're58900:36:08,369 --> 00:36:14,969trying to serve me. I'm gonnaignore the the fact that, you59000:36:14,969 --> 00:36:19,379know, now this is this isincorrect. That's not fair. But59100:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,610Adam Curry: But hold on, hold ona second. You can ignore it. We59200:36:23,610 --> 00:36:28,620talked we talked to Libsyn, twoyears ago. And yeah, we're gonna59300:36:28,620 --> 00:36:32,820do it, we're gonna do it. We'regonna do it. I felt personally,59400:36:32,850 --> 00:36:36,330I felt there was like, You're,you're the one of the first59500:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,600companies that was out there,you've had a rough ride with all59600:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,190kinds of vO company issues. Butthat felt that felt like you're59700:36:44,190 --> 00:36:50,550kicking us a little bit. Takeit. Right. And if you were59800:36:50,550 --> 00:36:56,580implementing one tag, then Iwould take the criticism. Read59900:36:56,580 --> 00:37:00,570it. But if you implement nothinglike that, that just that just60000:37:00,570 --> 00:37:04,290seemed a little bullish.bullish. No,60100:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,870Dave Jones: it did it. It willwe I mean, we yeah, we had a60200:37:06,870 --> 00:37:08,790meeting with them. And, youknow, it's one of their lead60300:37:08,790 --> 00:37:11,280developers. And I think thepresident of that company, and,60400:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,310you know, they told us that theywere like, Well, we're here we,60500:37:14,340 --> 00:37:17,250you know, we want to dive in,send us all the documentation60600:37:17,250 --> 00:37:19,530that you've gotten us puttogether and spend time putting60700:37:19,530 --> 00:37:21,450together a bunch ofdocumentation and emailing it to60800:37:21,450 --> 00:37:24,780them, and then they didn't doanything. Right. And, you know,60900:37:24,780 --> 00:37:28,980which is, is fine. I mean,evangelism is the hardest part61000:37:28,980 --> 00:37:32,370of any open source project and99% of the time, it doesn't61100:37:32,370 --> 00:37:33,660produce any results. Just61200:37:33,660 --> 00:37:38,250Adam Curry: ask Jesus. It wasreally difficult. I just had a61300:37:38,250 --> 00:37:42,120hard time getting the word out.Yeah, it's very spiritual61400:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,480podcast today. Yes, I was youstarted it. Yeah,61500:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,070Dave Jones: I did. I did ismuffled. So if we like, if I61600:37:50,070 --> 00:37:52,890don't really care aboutcriticism, if I did. We, I61700:37:52,889 --> 00:37:53,969Adam Curry: mean, we were61800:37:54,329 --> 00:37:59,669Dave Jones: a long time ago.Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know,61900:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,069I guess. I guess it's, you know,we're not hiding anything. And62000:38:05,069 --> 00:38:07,919the biggest issue with what hesaid, as far as I'm concerned62100:38:07,949 --> 00:38:12,719is, and I kind of want to moveon to something else. The that62200:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,829ALC said it but my biggest thingwith him with what he said was62300:38:16,829 --> 00:38:23,849that he's talking about podcaststats as if they are one thing62400:38:23,849 --> 00:38:27,119that indicate that is yeah, likeyou said, is if the entire62500:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,619industry is one monolithicthing, yes. It's it's like, it's62600:38:31,619 --> 00:38:36,569like talking about the economyin terms of GDP. Yeah. The GDP62700:38:36,569 --> 00:38:40,199went up two and a half percentin quarter, you know, in in62800:38:40,199 --> 00:38:40,8892020.62900:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,470Adam Curry: My step kid inBrooklyn, she's starving. Kids,63000:38:46,470 --> 00:38:48,900there's waiting tables. Exactly.Yeah,63100:38:48,899 --> 00:38:51,899Dave Jones: your GED, your yourtwo and a half percent GDP did63200:38:51,899 --> 00:38:55,889not, you know, doesn't help theguy who lost his gig. Who got63300:38:55,889 --> 00:39:00,419laid off? Yeah, it's irrelevant.It's an irrelevant number, the63400:39:00,419 --> 00:39:04,259stat those kinds of stats don'tmean anything. Because like you63500:39:04,259 --> 00:39:06,719said, the biggest podcaster inthe world, Joe Rogan has one63600:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,589app. Yeah,63700:39:07,620 --> 00:39:11,940Adam Curry: one. And he's maybefour or 5% of all downloads.63800:39:12,570 --> 00:39:13,080Yes.63900:39:13,110 --> 00:39:20,190Dave Jones: So these, sayingthis is just, to me indicates a64000:39:20,190 --> 00:39:24,360misunderstanding of the natureof the podcast ecosystem at a64100:39:24,360 --> 00:39:32,070fundamental level. Yeah. And Ithink, you know, when people say64200:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,750when people say this, whenpeople use these kind of64300:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,900arguments, I think, whatthey're, what they're saying is,64400:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,760you know, companies that areheavily invested in and making64500:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,790money from pot in advertising,digital advertising, basically,64600:39:48,390 --> 00:39:52,290podcasting. I think what they'rereally saying is these features64700:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,520are boring because they don'tallow me to make any money off64800:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,450your podcast.64900:39:59,670 --> 00:40:04,140Adam Curry: Yeah, Yeah. Althoughpeople do move hosts for these65000:40:04,140 --> 00:40:05,160types of features.65100:40:05,909 --> 00:40:07,859Dave Jones: Yeah. And I'm notbeing ugly. I'm just saying that65200:40:07,859 --> 00:40:12,449I mean, I think that's true. Ithink there's a there's because65300:40:12,449 --> 00:40:18,359these these companies, they selladvertising on these shows. And65400:40:18,359 --> 00:40:20,909so like, if they look at thatchapters, and they're like,65500:40:20,909 --> 00:40:23,819Well, I don't give a crap aboutchapters. I mean, how does that65600:40:23,819 --> 00:40:27,419help me make money? Like, Ithink there's, I think it gets65700:40:27,419 --> 00:40:31,109clouded like that, right? Yeah.Well, in that Yeah, absolutely.65800:40:31,229 --> 00:40:33,389Adam Curry: Absolutely. It's thesame thing is, you know, hey,65900:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,719there's $2 billion dollars goingaround and podcasting. Okay.66000:40:38,370 --> 00:40:42,390Dave Jones: Yes, but, you know,the other thing, I think, I66100:40:42,390 --> 00:40:49,530think what ALC said, was moreinteresting to me. She talked66200:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,220about being intimidated by thetechnical nature of 2.0. I am66300:40:53,220 --> 00:40:57,060Unknown: not negative aboutpodcasting 2.0 features, and I66400:40:57,090 --> 00:41:01,920really find them exciting. ButI'm at a loss as to how to66500:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,330communicate a lot of this in asimple manner, with the66600:41:06,330 --> 00:41:11,160demographic and psychographicthat I serve. And also, if I66700:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,890want to participate in a lot ofthis stuff, a lot of the66800:41:13,890 --> 00:41:18,540conversations I've seen aroundpodcasting, 2.0 is very66900:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,890technically centric. And I feellike I don't understand it67000:41:22,890 --> 00:41:27,720myself. And I kind of feeloverwhelmed. And, like, I'm not67100:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,870smart enough to know this stuff.Like, that's just a personal67200:41:30,870 --> 00:41:33,660feeling that I get when theseconversations come up.67300:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,960Not that they're trying to makepeople feel that way. No, no, I67400:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,710mean, I, I actually feel like Idon't even know what to say67500:41:40,710 --> 00:41:43,680about that. Because in allhonesty, I get confused by a lot67600:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,130of the conversations, I feelintimidated by you being in the67700:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,460in those rooms, or in rooms, asin like not actual rooms, you67800:41:50,460 --> 00:41:53,700know what I mean? Like incommunities that are really pro67900:41:53,850 --> 00:41:58,800podcast 2.0. Because a lot ofthe conversations are really68000:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,890technical. And I feel like Idon't even know what to say, I68100:42:01,890 --> 00:42:04,920wouldn't even know like, all Iwould be doing is going so what68200:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,450is that? Wait, what? What isthat? Like? What's, uh, where68300:42:09,450 --> 00:42:13,140does that go? How do I see thatagain, like, and so I feel like68400:42:13,140 --> 00:42:18,180they'd be explained, likeexplaining way basics. And68500:42:19,049 --> 00:42:20,669Adam Curry: oh, well, that's avery good point.68600:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,300Dave Jones: Yeah, and I'm gladhe threw in there that, you68700:42:24,300 --> 00:42:24,630know,68800:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,600Adam Curry: that we're not doingour purpose. Yeah, exactly.68900:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,970Dave Jones: I thought that Ithought that was a good thing69000:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,530that he threw in,69100:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,530Adam Curry: well, this will thisis good. And this conversation69200:42:34,530 --> 00:42:42,750comes back from time to time.And then it happened again. The,69300:42:43,380 --> 00:42:46,770I think we can agree now, ifnot, I think it was said quite69400:42:46,770 --> 00:42:52,500clearly, podcasts. index.orgshould not be the place to69500:42:52,500 --> 00:42:59,370explain podcasting. 2.0. No,first of all, the podcasts,69600:42:59,610 --> 00:43:04,020hosting companies. They're theones that speak to the69700:43:04,020 --> 00:43:07,230podcasters. And I think they'vedone a pretty good job of69800:43:07,230 --> 00:43:12,030explaining some of thesefeatures. That's their job they69900:43:12,030 --> 00:43:15,420and walking people through thesefeatures and how they have70000:43:15,420 --> 00:43:23,760helped desk when people getstuck. I want to see 2530 405070100:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,170websites that explain it if youif you go looking for the70200:43:28,170 --> 00:43:33,510official podcasting website, itdoesn't exist. But there's 1000s70300:43:33,510 --> 00:43:38,520of YouTube videos and hundredsof podcasts, Dave Jackson School70400:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,090of podcasting that explain whatthis is, I mean, there's 2070500:43:42,090 --> 00:43:49,620years of explanation. And youknow, Daniel J. Lewis, he's, you70600:43:49,620 --> 00:43:52,770know, he's, he has ideas and Ithink he should put them out70700:43:52,770 --> 00:43:56,400there. And I'd be the firstpoint to say, hey, if you're70800:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480looking for an explanation of ofthese features, check this out.70900:44:00,630 --> 00:44:04,890Listen to this podcast. Wheneversomeone says to me how to get71000:44:04,890 --> 00:44:07,680started with the podcast, I sendthem to school of podcasting.71100:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,060Always like go there DaveJackson gets it and I think you71200:44:12,060 --> 00:44:16,290can also get some some episodesand lessons on podcasting 2.071300:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,440that we need more of that and soI just want to make sure we move71400:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,040away from the notion that youknow that somehow we need to be71500:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,470the marketing site because it'llnever be good ever. It won't we71600:44:31,470 --> 00:44:35,460tried it we had a guy who wastrying to do it and and he left71700:44:35,460 --> 00:44:38,400because we were like, No, thisis not this is not is not good.71800:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,630It's not and he laughed. He'slike, Oh, you guys no good Yeah,71900:44:42,630 --> 00:44:46,500that's right. But this is thisis not it. Now and I hope that72000:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,130Dame Jennifer she she sent me anote the other day she says I'm72100:44:50,130 --> 00:44:53,520working on the on the videoexplanation of this, like that's72200:44:53,550 --> 00:44:58,080fantastic. It will happen. Imean, it took a while. Then,72300:44:58,710 --> 00:45:00,930four to four to happen.Initially, I mean, in the72400:45:00,930 --> 00:45:04,710beginning, we had to telllisteners to go find an orange72500:45:04,740 --> 00:45:10,020RSS icon, right click copy, goto your app to hit some,72600:45:10,350 --> 00:45:13,710subscribe, don't worry, it's notgoing to cost you a subscription72700:45:13,710 --> 00:45:16,710doesn't cost you anything, Ijust explained that paste, and72800:45:16,710 --> 00:45:20,340then then it's in there. Youknow, these things take time and72900:45:20,340 --> 00:45:25,080the end, people will start to,you know, create lessons and73000:45:25,500 --> 00:45:26,400information.73100:45:29,489 --> 00:45:31,259Dave Jones: Let's step back,let's step back for a minute and73200:45:31,259 --> 00:45:35,249just look at what podcastingitself like actually consists of73300:45:38,129 --> 00:45:43,949multiple locations of HTTPobjects delivered over IP, one73400:45:43,949 --> 00:45:49,739of which contains an XML file,describing metadata of a show,73500:45:50,429 --> 00:45:54,899and a bunch of episodes, in partin other HTTP locations,73600:45:55,769 --> 00:46:00,089describing potentially mp3files, WAV files, other audio73700:46:00,089 --> 00:46:05,249file types, I mean, explainingthis setup to any normal person.73800:46:05,549 --> 00:46:09,359You've already it's completelyhopeless. You've already RSS73900:46:09,389 --> 00:46:14,789based podcasting itself isalready hopelessly difficult to74000:46:14,789 --> 00:46:20,009explain. Yeah, people's eyesglaze over. So podcasting 2.0 is74100:46:20,009 --> 00:46:24,569not unique in this way. Ifyou're trying to explain the74200:46:24,569 --> 00:46:31,379guts, of RSS based podcasting,you better stop because you're74300:46:31,379 --> 00:46:36,749not going to do it to a normalperson. Yet, somehow. We have a74400:46:36,749 --> 00:46:41,159thriving podcast ecosystem.Amazing. And you Yeah. And you74500:46:41,159 --> 00:46:46,559know why? Because programmersand developers take these74600:46:46,559 --> 00:46:51,989complex schematics. And theytranslate them into something74700:46:52,709 --> 00:46:57,869that nobody has to understand.The Alec Alex's work on peer74800:46:57,869 --> 00:47:04,619tube, he took all the 2.0 stuff,and baked it into peer tube so74900:47:04,619 --> 00:47:10,259that somebody who knows nothingabout video podcasting, can fire75000:47:10,259 --> 00:47:13,769up the channel, have a topodcasting 2.0 compatible feed75100:47:13,769 --> 00:47:16,799with a ton of features. Yeah,and they can go live stream and75200:47:16,799 --> 00:47:21,269they don't know anything. So Iguess, like, well, the same,75300:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,480Adam Curry: the same. The samecan be said for pod home. Pod75400:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,840home. Yeah, upload your yourfile, and it says, Oh, here's75500:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,660your here's a suggestion foryour chapters. Here's your75600:47:30,660 --> 00:47:34,590transcript. Here's some other,you know, whatever other things,75700:47:35,010 --> 00:47:40,050title, all of those comesuggested. And so it's75800:47:40,050 --> 00:47:45,960interesting that, you know, LCworks at Lipson she should know,75900:47:45,990 --> 00:47:51,270I mean, Lipson have theylaunched Lipson five yet. It's76000:47:51,270 --> 00:47:54,870difficult to build UX thatexplains to people what they're76100:47:54,870 --> 00:47:58,170doing, but yet companies aredoing it Buzzsprout has made it76200:47:58,170 --> 00:48:01,620pretty simple. I think I thinkthat blueberry has, you know,76300:48:01,620 --> 00:48:05,490has effectively communicated totheir customers, hey, here's76400:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,130what they call features, orwhatever they call them. And76500:48:08,130 --> 00:48:11,310here's new stuff. And here's theapps that show them. So I mean,76600:48:11,310 --> 00:48:13,980yeah, but this these things takea little bit of time, if you're76700:48:13,980 --> 00:48:18,300only looking at podcasts indexdot social, or the GitHub. Yeah,76800:48:18,300 --> 00:48:21,750I mean, I mean, I can't even putup with the GitHub.76900:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,320Dave Jones: Like, it's justthat. I guess what I'm trying to77000:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,160say is it is Robin, Elsieprobably should stop trying to77100:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040explain to porn, though it'sreally not. Yeah, exactly,77200:48:35,070 --> 00:48:36,240exactly. It's77300:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,940Alecks Gates: not there. Theyshouldn't, they shouldn't have77400:48:38,940 --> 00:48:41,430to hear they should be payingsomeone to tell them what it is.77500:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,990That's the other hosted. But Iworked for a lot of people who77600:48:46,020 --> 00:48:48,840don't know what I do. And Iexplain it to them in a higher77700:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,170level. And they're just notmaking the investment.77800:48:52,949 --> 00:48:59,129Dave Jones: Yes, I would imaginein your day job, Alex, that77900:48:59,129 --> 00:49:01,829you're probably you know, you,you explain the high level78000:49:01,829 --> 00:49:05,669stuff, and then you go build thebuild the solution. And then78100:49:06,179 --> 00:49:09,779they don't have to know how thesolution works. It's just you78200:49:09,779 --> 00:49:13,379told you told them that therough idea, and then you have a78300:49:13,379 --> 00:49:15,629finished product and that's whatthey paid you for.78400:49:15,990 --> 00:49:18,300Alecks Gates: And how much itcost. Yeah, yeah. And how much78500:49:18,300 --> 00:49:18,600it costs?78600:49:19,409 --> 00:49:22,289Adam Curry: Well, Alex, I'llhave you know that Mo Mo facts78700:49:22,319 --> 00:49:28,529is coming your way. Okay, he isready. He is ready. He has his78800:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,549basic understanding. You know,he has a YouTube understanding78900:49:32,549 --> 00:49:34,769and I think that what you'vedone with peer tube I think79000:49:34,769 --> 00:49:38,909you've you've given us enoughhints there in the interface and79100:49:38,909 --> 00:49:41,939what you need to do that's likehey, you connect it up here. And79200:49:41,939 --> 00:49:46,679then you start streaming here itrecording is here. And here's I79300:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,499think you even Jeff to hook up awallet or is that built in? I79400:49:49,499 --> 00:49:51,479don't remember up79500:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,160Alecks Gates: so just to beclear, most of that's not even79600:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,620my work. That's just the pure todevelopers. They're really79700:49:55,620 --> 00:50:01,050great. But you I mean you justhave to saw the lightning plug79800:50:01,050 --> 00:50:05,760in and add like a lightningaddress or whatever. So cool.79900:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,290And thanks, Eric or head forthat work. So yeah, I mean,80000:50:10,290 --> 00:50:12,960it's, there's a couple thingsthat you have to install80100:50:12,990 --> 00:50:16,170afterwards. But yeah, I'd behappy to help him with that.80200:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,620Yes,80300:50:16,650 --> 00:50:19,380Adam Curry: I'm sending him toyou. I'm sending him to you.80400:50:20,730 --> 00:50:24,930Dave Jones: Just be speaking ofYouTube. There's another.80500:50:25,170 --> 00:50:27,120There's another clip I want toplay because I think this is80600:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,600actually pretty appropriate.Where she's talking about the80700:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600YouTube Music app lacking basicfeatures,80800:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,990Unknown: quote, I've been askingfor the ability to mark episodes80900:50:36,990 --> 00:50:42,330has played since May, and Googlein December, said to expect that81000:50:42,330 --> 00:50:46,020in the coming months, it'sreally a basic podcast client81100:50:46,020 --> 00:50:50,430feature to help manage yourlibrary, playing a podcast and81200:50:50,430 --> 00:50:54,720dragging the scramble all theway to clear it from that new81300:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,640episodes playlist is aridiculous hack. A more minor81400:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,720ask is support for podcastchapters, which I'm actually81500:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,500hopeful for given that there'san equivalent video feature.81600:51:07,980 --> 00:51:11,640Meanwhile, YouTube music needsnew episode notifications. One81700:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,550underrated feature of Googlepodcasts was that the parents81800:51:14,550 --> 00:51:17,160company's vast server cloudinfrastructure meant episode81900:51:17,160 --> 00:51:23,220alerts were instantaneousYouTube music needs per show82000:51:23,220 --> 00:51:25,500notification instead of justrelying on that your new82100:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,950episodes carousel and the homefeed. Surprise, YouTube decided82200:51:28,950 --> 00:51:31,560to expand internationallywithout something as basic as82300:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,110this since it would encouragepeople to keep using the app for82400:51:34,110 --> 00:51:38,400podcast and quote. So back tokind of just wrap the82500:51:38,400 --> 00:51:45,120conversation we had prior to thepromo. We're still here. Yep, we82600:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,910are still at them. marking anepisode played part of the game.82700:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,470Adam Curry: Yeah, good point.82800:51:55,889 --> 00:52:00,269Dave Jones: But see that, thatthat is a direct contradiction82900:52:00,269 --> 00:52:04,139to what they're talking aboutearlier. Yeah. It's the these at83000:52:04,439 --> 00:52:12,149these apps. These if the, if theYouTube app sucks this bad. The83100:52:12,149 --> 00:52:15,869YouTube Music app sucks this badfor podcasting. Tell your83200:52:15,869 --> 00:52:19,199audience not to use it. Tellyour audience to go and use it83300:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,699and use a 2.0 app. Yeah, it'sit's so easy. You don't have to83400:52:23,699 --> 00:52:29,279know what podcasting 2.0 is.Just tell them to go use a83500:52:29,279 --> 00:52:32,549modern podcast app that isdecent. I mean, the YouTube83600:52:32,549 --> 00:52:36,149Music app doesn't even have newepisode notifications. WTF?83700:52:36,899 --> 00:52:37,859What? Yeah,83800:52:37,890 --> 00:52:39,510Adam Curry: they don't theydon't. They don't seem very83900:52:39,510 --> 00:52:42,570serious about their effort inthis. No,84000:52:42,570 --> 00:52:45,960Dave Jones: it's, it's terrible.It's a, that's a terrible day.84100:52:46,050 --> 00:52:52,590So like the Devitt. We depend ondevelopers to take these to take84200:52:52,620 --> 00:52:58,020all of these things, andtranslate them into usable84300:52:58,020 --> 00:53:04,170software, that the listener andthe podcaster, use a buzzer,84400:53:04,230 --> 00:53:09,930like Buzzsprout Buzzsproutcreated the transcript tag, they84500:53:09,930 --> 00:53:14,460brought that to the two point isto this two point space. They84600:53:14,460 --> 00:53:20,370brought that to the 2.0namespace. Then you have84700:53:20,370 --> 00:53:24,450rss.com, who's now autogenerating transcripts. So they84800:53:24,450 --> 00:53:28,560picked up something that anotherhost used auto just started auto84900:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,040generating transcripts in theirsystem and providing those now,85000:53:32,070 --> 00:53:35,670and then you had 2.0 appsstarting to show them in the in85100:53:35,670 --> 00:53:40,230the player. Now you've got theapple podcasts app, showing85200:53:40,230 --> 00:53:45,630transcripts in the player, for ahuge portion of of listeners, no85300:53:45,630 --> 00:53:51,660listener, and no podcaster hadto ever know about this. Never85400:53:51,660 --> 00:53:56,070had to be explained. It justhappened organically. As85500:53:56,070 --> 00:53:58,860developers, there's gonnathere's gonna come a point85600:54:02,190 --> 00:54:07,740there's gonna come a point inevery day in the life cycle of85700:54:07,740 --> 00:54:13,800every app, that's an I mean,every podcast app, where the85800:54:13,800 --> 00:54:20,160bases were so many of the basicfeatures are covered. And the85900:54:20,190 --> 00:54:25,770developer is looking for newideas and new things to do. And86000:54:25,770 --> 00:54:29,250they're going to see and thisthis goes back to why we focused86100:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,400so hard on developingrelationships with the hosting86200:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,050companies from the beginning, isif you can get all if you can86300:54:37,050 --> 00:54:41,610get as if you can get tons offeeds to have these features in86400:54:41,610 --> 00:54:44,520them. And this is what hurts sobad about Lipson not being on86500:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,720board. Yeah, because Lipson hastons of feeds. If you can get86600:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,950the content out there,eventually in the lifecycle of86700:54:52,980 --> 00:54:56,910each app, and when the developeris looking for new things to do86800:54:57,510 --> 00:55:00,900in new features to bring totheir audience. They're gonna86900:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,020look at all of these feeds, andthey're gonna say, oh, you know,87000:55:04,020 --> 00:55:07,290what, what is this? Interesting,this is the PERT, what does the87100:55:07,290 --> 00:55:08,490person tag do?87200:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,609Adam Curry: Or in fact, theylook at our API and say, Oh,87300:55:11,669 --> 00:55:14,549look at this. We got pod rollscoming out.87400:55:15,030 --> 00:55:17,220Dave Jones: Yeah, what's a podroll? That's this. This is87500:55:17,220 --> 00:55:21,390interesting. What is, uh, youknow, here's a transcript, no,87600:55:21,390 --> 00:55:24,180they had transcript, all you'regonna, you're gonna see, whoa,87700:55:24,180 --> 00:55:26,730chapters, there's a wholechapters file, you're going to,87800:55:26,820 --> 00:55:30,750they're going to begin to seeall of this content out there in87900:55:30,750 --> 00:55:35,190hundreds of 1000s of feeds. Andthey're just going to reverse88000:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,510engineer backup to the spec, andstart building these and showing88100:55:39,510 --> 00:55:42,990them, but they would never dothat if the spec existed in a88200:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,980vacuum. And there was no contentthere. And so what I'm saying88300:55:46,980 --> 00:55:51,480is, this is an inevitablerollout slow rollout of new88400:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,160features. And this is the way it88500:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,480Adam Curry: always Oh, and italways takes time. Yes, it takes88600:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,010takes a long time. It's likevalue for value takes a long88700:56:02,010 --> 00:56:05,460time before. It's like oh, andthen all of a sudden everyone's88800:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,510kind of seeing it. Everyone'sseeing value dripping into their88900:56:09,510 --> 00:56:10,230wallets.89000:56:11,730 --> 00:56:15,150Dave Jones: It part of what theyused was the jeans mom argument.89100:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,300You know, I can't explain to tojeans89200:56:18,299 --> 00:56:21,149Adam Curry: model but she died.So that's kind of a bad. It's89300:56:21,149 --> 00:56:26,609not good to use that anymore.It's no, no, no. Jeans. It's an89400:56:26,609 --> 00:56:30,539honorary honorary title. I thinkJean is very happy with us using89500:56:30,539 --> 00:56:35,009it still. In Memoriam Memorialjeans mom in memoriam GMM89600:56:35,609 --> 00:56:35,999because89700:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,580Dave Jones: the whole idea ofthe jeans. Now, this is an89800:56:38,580 --> 00:56:41,190honoring thing, because youknow, the idea of the jeans mom89900:56:41,190 --> 00:56:47,460argument was that was that itwas not fair to jeans mom. Like,90000:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,240the Jim's mom was smarter thaneverybody who gave her credit.90100:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,540And so that's the thing is like,you know, we keep being told I90200:56:57,540 --> 00:57:04,830can't recommend some other app,or or some other feature90300:57:04,830 --> 00:57:08,010somebody go seek out anotherfeature or something like that,90400:57:08,010 --> 00:57:13,140because it's too hard toexplain. Well, you don't have to90500:57:13,140 --> 00:57:17,040tell you. I can tell you that.If you look at Chrome's market90600:57:17,040 --> 00:57:24,150share lately. No. It's like 85%of the entire internet is Google90700:57:24,150 --> 00:57:28,020Chrome, as Google Chrome is notdelivered by default on any90800:57:28,920 --> 00:57:35,610operating system. Somebody haslearned somewhere that they're90900:57:35,610 --> 00:57:41,640supposed to go download an app.I mean, the the argument that91000:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,480people don't are not willing totry new things. Yeah, he's not91100:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,560specious. I don't think that'strue. So everybody, people are91200:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,750willing people will try newthings.91300:57:53,010 --> 00:57:54,870Adam Curry: They do. I don'twant to belabor what the proof91400:57:54,870 --> 00:57:59,250is in the pudding. But it has tocome from the podcast or when a91500:57:59,250 --> 00:58:03,960podcaster says, Hey, try thisapp. Yeah. And I always use one91600:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,470or two features. The main one, Isaid, Hey, you know, you'll be91700:58:07,470 --> 00:58:10,470updated within 90 seconds of mepublishing it, you get an alert.91800:58:11,130 --> 00:58:13,560Is that something you'reinterested in? Everybody's91900:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,570interested in that? I'm sick andtired of seeing on Twitter that92000:58:18,570 --> 00:58:21,780something was released, and it'snot in my app yet? Well,92100:58:21,779 --> 00:58:23,489Dave Jones: I think I thinkApple got to that point, their92200:58:23,489 --> 00:58:25,949lifecycle there locally at work,you know, what can we do looking92300:58:25,949 --> 00:58:28,739around for new features and thatkind of thing? Here's, here's a92400:58:28,739 --> 00:58:32,189feature. 2.0 feature we can do?Yeah. And then they put that in92500:58:32,189 --> 00:58:36,329there. And it also helps thembecause people want, they are92600:58:36,329 --> 00:58:39,569less likely to bail out and goto a different app. But I mean,92700:58:40,229 --> 00:58:44,999it benefits everybody. And Iguess my biggest thing here92800:58:45,029 --> 00:58:50,399would, you know, my biggestmessage to to Lipson would be to92900:58:50,399 --> 00:58:53,279just repeat what, what Alexsaid, Stop letting everybody93000:58:53,279 --> 00:58:56,609else do this job for you, likegetting the game is93100:58:57,630 --> 00:58:58,440Adam Curry: so true.93200:59:00,750 --> 00:59:03,240Alecks Gates: Well, I think Ithink the the tyranny of the93300:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,650default is worse than Apple, Ijust maybe argue against that a93400:59:07,650 --> 00:59:10,200little bit. And Apple knowsthat. And that's why they that's93500:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,100why they're adding features.93600:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,359Adam Curry: The Tyranny of thedefault? Yeah,93700:59:16,500 --> 00:59:18,690Alecks Gates: I will, I mean,it's the default apps, right.93800:59:21,450 --> 00:59:23,760Most people probably use theapple podcast app, because93900:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,880that's what they have. And Ithink Android users are just94000:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,520more used to finding new apps.94100:59:32,340 --> 00:59:35,250Dave Jones: Yeah, speaking.Okay. Speaking of Andrew, I94200:59:35,250 --> 00:59:38,070thank you for saying thatbecause it jogged my memory.94300:59:38,850 --> 00:59:42,300Speaking of Android, so this,one of the things that they were94400:59:42,300 --> 00:59:45,360telling me in the meetingyesterday was that this is about94500:59:45,750 --> 00:59:50,100and I've got a GitHub post onthis post on this. They were94600:59:50,100 --> 00:59:55,740talking about the MIME types.And I think we have we have it94700:59:55,740 --> 01:00:00,810correct for the MIME type is forVTT is text slash VTT The94801:00:00,810 --> 01:00:07,470MimeType for SRT is likeunobtainium, I cannot figure out94901:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280what the real one is. I don'tthink there actually is a real95001:00:11,280 --> 01:00:18,690one that's defined anywhere byany sane human being. But Apple95101:00:18,690 --> 01:00:22,980says that it should be textslash SRT. But I just don't95201:00:22,980 --> 01:00:26,280think that's right. Becauseeverything I can find says it's95301:00:26,280 --> 01:00:32,970got to be either text plain orapplications X sub rip. And95401:00:33,630 --> 01:00:35,850we've got in our documentationthat is supposed to be95501:00:35,850 --> 01:00:43,020application slash x dash subrip. But so I'm not I'm not95601:00:43,020 --> 01:00:49,260exactly sure what to do aboutthat. Because you know, if we95701:00:49,260 --> 01:00:53,400put in at text SRT, XR t, if westarted recommending that, and95801:00:53,400 --> 01:00:59,820that's not the actual thing,then. You know, it's because95901:00:59,850 --> 01:01:05,280then they deprecated those xdash, whatever I thought, so I96001:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,570don't know, this is it's above.This is out of my comfort zone96101:01:09,570 --> 01:01:10,170at this point,96201:01:11,010 --> 01:01:11,640Adam Curry: Alex.96301:01:13,980 --> 01:01:16,710Alecks Gates: I think if there'sno standard, we just have to96401:01:16,710 --> 01:01:19,950allow both. There's no way toenforce it anyway.96501:01:21,989 --> 01:01:24,629Dave Jones: Yeah, I agree. Iagree. I mean, I don't see how96601:01:25,109 --> 01:01:26,519that we'll see any other way toslice that.96701:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,700Alecks Gates: A tax plan is dumbthat, no.96801:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,200Dave Jones: I'm trying to avoidthe the inevitable. You know,96901:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,270every time you're in an opensource project, and you do97001:01:39,270 --> 01:01:43,410something, there's always whichwhat you might call the MIME97101:01:43,410 --> 01:01:48,360type smartass. That where youdefine something, and somebody97201:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,930pops up and says, you know,that's not the right MIME type.97301:01:51,990 --> 01:01:55,620And it's like, oh, okay, fine.And then there's an inevitable97401:01:55,620 --> 01:01:57,600flame war about what MIME typeto use.97501:01:59,340 --> 01:02:00,540Alecks Gates: So I'm actuallyDave.97601:02:06,030 --> 01:02:09,810Dave Jones: I'm trying to avoidthat here. But I'm afraid I'm97701:02:09,810 --> 01:02:13,110afraid. I don't, I don't wantthere to be like a, you know, 1297801:02:13,110 --> 01:02:16,140Page GitHub discussion aboutwhat MimeType to use in this97901:02:16,170 --> 01:02:21,570scenario. So I'm not againstwhat I'm saying is I don't think98001:02:21,570 --> 01:02:24,120we can change anything at thispoint. I think. I think we gotta98101:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,290leave it alone for the moment.98201:02:28,290 --> 01:02:30,420Adam Curry: I'm fine withleaving it alone for the moment.98301:02:32,489 --> 01:02:34,259Dave Jones: You're notopinionated on the MimeType98401:02:34,859 --> 01:02:35,339format?98501:02:35,370 --> 01:02:38,190Adam Curry: No, no, no, I wantto move on to rising. I want to98601:02:38,190 --> 01:02:39,810move on to the helipad update.98701:02:41,429 --> 01:02:44,069Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. What wouldyou do, then i,98801:02:45,239 --> 01:02:50,969Adam Curry: t, Eric VP, sent aan update to heli pad, a beta,98901:02:50,999 --> 01:02:55,529which I had to sideload. Nowwhen you side load onto this as99001:02:55,529 --> 01:03:00,869the start nine that I'm running,that was very interesting. It99101:03:00,869 --> 01:03:05,969required a restart of the entirebox. That's not necessarily99201:03:05,969 --> 01:03:09,929because it it was stuck oranything. It was like I was out99301:03:09,929 --> 01:03:13,769of ideas, because it installedand then it was throwing an99401:03:13,769 --> 01:03:16,559error, and then was trying tostop and I couldn't stop the99501:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,859service. And like, I'm justgonna reboot it. And then I was99601:03:19,859 --> 01:03:25,049very interesting, because lndtook about full 3540 minutes to99701:03:25,049 --> 01:03:30,389sync to the graph and sync thechannels and it may be had99801:03:30,389 --> 01:03:33,989gotten, I don't know what thatwas. And I have a feeling it may99901:03:33,989 --> 01:03:36,539have been out of sync, somethingmay have happened. I didn't look100001:03:36,539 --> 01:03:39,209at it honestly before Iinstalled but it doesn't matter.100101:03:39,419 --> 01:03:42,539Because I got it installed. Igot it working works perfectly.100201:03:43,049 --> 01:03:49,889And so now it has a an extratab. So for those who don't100301:03:49,889 --> 01:03:53,309know, heli pad is a piece ofsoftware. It has a great100401:03:53,309 --> 01:04:00,359interface. And I mean, I lovethe interface is so simple. It's100501:04:00,359 --> 01:04:05,459so beautiful just works. And youcan see in real time when booths100601:04:05,459 --> 01:04:10,079come in, and it has a timestamp,it shows you the logo of what100701:04:10,079 --> 01:04:14,549app, it shows you the totalamount of the booths sent. The100801:04:14,549 --> 01:04:19,469name tells you the episode or insome cases, what song or what100901:04:19,469 --> 01:04:25,049remote item if it's a if it's avalue time split, then you can101001:04:25,049 --> 01:04:28,319click on the timestamp, it'llbring you all the TLV all the101101:04:28,319 --> 01:04:34,409info about what was sent alongwith it. And with two apps to101201:04:34,469 --> 01:04:38,789two apps that will be curiocaster and cast automatic or who101301:04:38,789 --> 01:04:44,429have a reply to as per the spec.They have implemented reply to I101401:04:44,429 --> 01:04:50,009think it's in the spec, littleReply button surfaces and so you101501:04:50,009 --> 01:04:58,019hit that then it says recipientwhich is basically the I think101601:04:58,859 --> 01:05:03,929we should cast the Matic justshows me a a node address. So101701:05:03,959 --> 01:05:08,309it's you know, I think curiocaster showed me the name of the101801:05:08,309 --> 01:05:11,699person who sent it as Yeah,yeah, that shows you the name of101901:05:11,699 --> 01:05:14,519the person who sent it. Then youcan fill out your own name as102001:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,669sender which is open forinterpretation, number of sets102101:05:17,669 --> 01:05:21,449and a message and hit boost, aboost it right back and I tried102201:05:21,449 --> 01:05:27,749it with curio caster tied intomy lb wallet. And I replied, and102301:05:27,749 --> 01:05:31,529it went right back to my lbwallet and with the message and102401:05:31,529 --> 01:05:34,409it had my name there that I hadfilled in at the top. And I was102501:05:34,409 --> 01:05:37,499able to reply to the boost with1000 SATs. And so now I have a102601:05:37,499 --> 01:05:40,979sent tab you have boost, youhave streams so you can see the102701:05:41,219 --> 01:05:43,619per minute streams that arecoming in. It's also fun to102801:05:43,619 --> 01:05:47,819watch from time to time. Andthen the sense and it. And right102901:05:47,819 --> 01:05:51,359there. It shows me the boostthat I sent back. It's the Round103001:05:51,359 --> 01:05:56,039Robin and I would love for otherapps to implement this.103101:05:58,020 --> 01:06:03,780Dave Jones: This haveessentially turned over helipad103201:06:03,780 --> 01:06:08,070to Eric peepee. At this point Igave him like maintainer rights103301:06:08,070 --> 01:06:10,710on that repo. So he's like, I'mnot I'm not even involved103401:06:10,710 --> 01:06:14,430anymore. It's like his app now.He's he's rocking and rolling103501:06:14,430 --> 01:06:14,760with it.103601:06:14,850 --> 01:06:19,110Adam Curry: It is fant I mean,it's a very exciting. It's just103701:06:19,110 --> 01:06:21,540exciting that, you know, I cansend it back. Hey, thanks for103801:06:21,540 --> 01:06:24,750your boost. I really appreciateit. And here's 1000 SATs back,103901:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,770SATs back104001:06:26,460 --> 01:06:28,950Dave Jones: says that's bad. Iwonder Friday.104101:06:29,009 --> 01:06:31,919Adam Curry: I wonder. So this iscool export option, which I104201:06:31,949 --> 01:06:35,999really love the export option. Iwonder if that also works on the104301:06:35,999 --> 01:06:37,739sent booths? Oh, yes, it does?104401:06:38,579 --> 01:06:42,389Dave Jones: No way. Sure looksin there, too. Let104501:06:42,390 --> 01:06:45,240Adam Curry: me just doublecheck. I'm gonna save this. I104601:06:45,240 --> 01:06:50,040think so. It came up really faston the sent tab. So um, that104701:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,760seems like that would work. Imean, this is becoming something104801:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,010really useful. Is heli pad is ais a is a very useful wagon at104901:06:59,010 --> 01:07:03,060this point. I mean, I runeverything on it. Every show105001:07:03,150 --> 01:07:07,530runs on I'm exporting all thebooths, you can start. There is105101:07:07,530 --> 01:07:11,130a little problem, though. Ithink it's I think the split kit105201:07:11,910 --> 01:07:15,300doesn't send the show it sends asong if you're if you're if it's105301:07:16,050 --> 01:07:19,860a time split, so that I can't dothat. I can't sort that doesn't105401:07:19,860 --> 01:07:23,340show up on my sword. Does thatmake any sense? If I'm sorting105501:07:23,340 --> 01:07:28,470the spreadsheet, and I want toknow, you know what that and so105601:07:28,470 --> 01:07:32,100I'm just sorting it for onepodcast, like Bucha gram ball.105701:07:32,730 --> 01:07:37,500Then there'll be in the in thepivot table. So the song Yeah.105801:07:37,500 --> 01:07:41,370So then I have Yeah, so thatdoesn't that becomes unusable.105901:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,120Yes. And there it is. Let mesee. Yeah. That seems to work.106001:07:48,750 --> 01:07:49,380tirelessly, like106101:07:49,380 --> 01:07:53,910Dave Jones: because of my of myelegantly modular code base that106201:07:53,940 --> 01:07:57,120allowed this very just pluggedright in.106301:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,880Adam Curry: Yes, yes. And theinterface of Karis right106401:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,840through? It's great.106501:08:04,530 --> 01:08:06,720Dave Jones: He's been working onthat for weeks. Yeah, I mean,106601:08:06,750 --> 01:08:10,320like, I don't know, he, I thinkhe started it last year, like106701:08:10,710 --> 01:08:13,830before Christmas. But he's beenworking on that for a while.106801:08:13,830 --> 01:08:14,040Yeah.106901:08:14,070 --> 01:08:16,020Adam Curry: And just so peopleknow, for him. Yeah, just so107001:08:16,020 --> 01:08:19,260people know how I use it, I justsend a small split to my own107101:08:19,260 --> 01:08:23,310node at home so that I canbecause you get the full amount.107201:08:23,310 --> 01:08:26,580So you can you can manage all ofthe boosts coming in, whether it107301:08:26,580 --> 01:08:30,480goes to Alby or wherever foundto wherever your wallet is, just107401:08:30,660 --> 01:08:34,740get a little little bit at home.I mean, it'd be great. If this107501:08:34,740 --> 01:08:37,470could integrate into Alby. I'msure people would love that, if107601:08:37,470 --> 01:08:38,370that was possible.107701:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,010Dave Jones: But I don't know howAlex, Alex has been, you've been107801:08:44,010 --> 01:08:48,690playing around with, with the,you've played around with the107901:08:48,690 --> 01:08:50,190breeze SDK lately, right.108001:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,079Alecks Gates: Not too much, butI've looked at a lot.108101:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,529Dave Jones: Because I wondered,you know, because I've always108201:08:58,529 --> 01:09:02,549wondered if we could hook. Like,if you read if you just fired108301:09:02,549 --> 01:09:04,499up, I've always had this vision,you know, like, you could just108401:09:04,499 --> 01:09:09,089fire up a helipad with nothingto connect to108501:09:09,150 --> 01:09:11,640Adam Curry: a heart. It just hasit has a wallet right in there.108601:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,190Dave Jones: And then it justspins up a green light.108701:09:15,239 --> 01:09:18,929Alecks Gates: If breeze SDKsupported case, and that would108801:09:18,929 --> 01:09:22,499solve so many of the custodialissues we have is that you could108901:09:22,499 --> 01:09:24,539just you could just run and youcould just run your own node109001:09:24,539 --> 01:09:24,959like that.109101:09:25,860 --> 01:09:27,630Dave Jones: He's not only ElonURL right now.109201:09:30,779 --> 01:09:33,749Alecks Gates: I mean, you couldgenerate invoices, but I don't109301:09:33,749 --> 01:09:34,979know about oh, new URL.109401:09:35,879 --> 01:09:38,849Dave Jones: And we're gonna haveto get Roy back on the show. So109501:09:38,849 --> 01:09:41,759we can figure that out. BecauseI mean, that that would be I109601:09:41,759 --> 01:09:44,819can't think of an easiersolution. I mean, you you just109701:09:44,849 --> 01:09:48,149we, we put, I mean, we couldreally Jamelia109801:09:48,150 --> 01:09:51,300Adam Curry: apps would be born.Amelia,109901:09:51,570 --> 01:09:54,210Dave Jones: let me because youmean, you could think I mean,110001:09:54,210 --> 01:09:59,340think about it, you could justdownload. You can install110101:09:59,340 --> 01:10:04,860helipad. If I even threw aDocker image or something, you110201:10:04,860 --> 01:10:09,240could install helipad. And thenit comes up and you're like,110301:10:09,270 --> 01:10:14,520Okay, I want to I want to nodeand bam, you just have one if if110401:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,220it could do keys and that wouldbe wasn't a perfect solution110501:10:17,220 --> 01:10:17,460wasn't110601:10:17,460 --> 01:10:21,060Adam Curry: the whole point ofof green light that there was a110701:10:21,060 --> 01:10:25,470cloud element that would staykind of like a watchtower that110801:10:25,470 --> 01:10:29,940would stay online and then willreceive your key send, but it110901:10:29,940 --> 01:10:33,330can't send anything and then theminute you fire up your, your111001:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,750green light portion that it thenconnects to that Watchtower?111101:10:36,750 --> 01:10:38,880Wasn't that the idea that Imisunderstand that?111201:10:42,180 --> 01:10:45,450Dave Jones: Yeah, let me like, Idon't know if the what I don't111301:10:45,450 --> 01:10:49,350know if it's the Watchtowerconcept came through or not. But111401:10:49,380 --> 01:10:53,160the idea is that as soon as youYeah, when when you when a111501:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,610payment was coming in, it wouldspin the node up, except the111601:10:56,610 --> 01:11:00,150payment and then and then passit through, right?111701:11:02,370 --> 01:11:04,800Alecks Gates: Yeah, I do. Andthe only issue right now is to111801:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,350use green light, you have tosign up and get a certificate.111901:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,030And I don't know how accessiblethat will be for the average112001:11:12,030 --> 01:11:15,630user I want, I'm gonna find out.Because that would be really,112101:11:15,660 --> 01:11:20,700really great. But it's not justa plug and play solution yet.112201:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,970Dave Jones: Because I mean, thatthat would apply to peer tube as112301:11:23,970 --> 01:11:27,570well, because you're in a tube.I mean, you could just, like112401:11:27,570 --> 01:11:30,660spin up, spin up a node and thenyou know, you're it's like, it's112501:11:30,660 --> 01:11:34,410not your keys. I mean, you'renot managing anything. It's all112601:11:34,410 --> 01:11:35,250on the user side.112701:11:36,990 --> 01:11:39,000Alecks Gates: Mm hmm. Yeah, I'mwaiting for the day. I can get112801:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,290rid of my my Raspberry Pi note,because I just don't want to I112901:11:43,290 --> 01:11:44,340just don't have the time for it.113001:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,730Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, mychannels have been messed up for113101:11:48,660 --> 01:11:50,370a month now. And113201:11:50,370 --> 01:11:53,700Adam Curry: I can't let me helpme help you. I can help you113301:11:53,730 --> 01:11:57,750Dave Jones: purchase indexchannel. It won't. It's not in113401:11:57,750 --> 01:12:00,270there offline all the time.Yeah, it's broken. Oh, yeah.113501:12:00,270 --> 01:12:02,910Adam Curry: No, that's butyou're still on the Umbral.113601:12:04,500 --> 01:12:06,180Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm on theumbrella. Yeah, because it's my113701:12:06,180 --> 01:12:13,260podcast rig. Broken the doingtoo many things on one box roll113801:12:13,260 --> 01:12:13,650here.113901:12:13,829 --> 01:12:17,879Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Idon't know. I have no idea. I114001:12:17,879 --> 01:12:21,359had problems with Umbro andtorx. And that always seemed to114101:12:21,359 --> 01:12:21,509be114201:12:21,630 --> 01:12:23,910Dave Jones: I'm not on tour. I'mon. I'm on clarinet, clarinet. I114301:12:23,910 --> 01:12:25,500got a clarinet channel to you.Yeah.114401:12:26,010 --> 01:12:31,230Adam Curry: I don't know. It'sbroke. It's broke. is broke. All114501:12:31,230 --> 01:12:36,360right, anyway. RPP you are a manof many talents. I appreciate114601:12:36,360 --> 01:12:36,630you.114701:12:38,700 --> 01:12:41,970Dave Jones: Yeah, this Yeah,that's a pretty that's a pretty114801:12:41,970 --> 01:12:46,080badass feature. Alex, you're ontop categories?114901:12:47,760 --> 01:12:48,600Alecks Gates: Oh, absolutely.115001:12:50,939 --> 01:12:54,719Dave Jones: Because, I mean, Ithink we're there. I mean, think115101:12:54,719 --> 01:13:01,769we we were at this point wherewe need so we've got we've got115201:13:01,769 --> 01:13:06,719music medium now. And obviouslyother mediums, audiobooks, all115301:13:06,719 --> 01:13:12,089this kind of stuff with film. Sothe, the iTunes categories,115401:13:13,109 --> 01:13:16,049they're just not sufficientanymore. Because you need you115501:13:16,049 --> 01:13:20,369know, if you're going to belooking for music, that's, you115601:13:20,369 --> 01:13:25,949know, a specific genre. This,the, the limited set of Apple115701:13:25,949 --> 01:13:30,569categories are not going to helpyou much at all. So we I mean,115801:13:30,569 --> 01:13:38,069we're gonna have to havesomething. And I mean, I guess I115901:13:38,069 --> 01:13:40,409guess I can say it this way. Imean, like, it seems like116001:13:40,409 --> 01:13:46,109there's just to lay it out asbest I can for for the116101:13:46,109 --> 01:13:49,469uninitiated here that we'vethrown this tag around for what116201:13:49,499 --> 01:13:52,289a year and a half, two years,something like that. Three,116301:13:53,039 --> 01:13:58,589yeah, three, some kind ofcategory tag. And I mean, you116401:13:58,589 --> 01:14:05,279could do to me, it really comesdown to we need I don't see a116501:14:05,279 --> 01:14:11,189difference between reusing thepodcasts reusing the RSS116601:14:11,189 --> 01:14:14,909category tag. But let me look atlet me let me lay it out this116701:14:14,909 --> 01:14:20,069way. You got three options. Youcould literally hijack the116801:14:20,069 --> 01:14:23,279iTunes category tag itself andstart sticking stuff in there116901:14:23,279 --> 01:14:27,929this noncompliant To me that'scompletely No, no way. Not gonna117001:14:27,929 --> 01:14:32,549do that. I think that will because mass confusion. And it's117101:14:32,549 --> 01:14:38,189not right. Somebody recommendedusing the RSS 2.0 category tag117201:14:38,189 --> 01:14:45,059itself. Honestly, that's thespec is confusing to me. Because117301:14:45,059 --> 01:14:48,209it's got all these references tolike a domain attribute and a117401:14:48,209 --> 01:14:53,279taxonomy link back in all thisstuff. I think that tag is117501:14:53,279 --> 01:14:56,789weird. And I don't like it.Well,117601:14:57,660 --> 01:14:59,970Alecks Gates: those are sameissues hijacking the iTunes tag117701:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,390because we don't know, whatwould break. Yeah,117801:15:03,420 --> 01:15:07,170Dave Jones: no, I agree. That'sgreat. Yeah, yeah. I agree with117901:15:07,170 --> 01:15:10,200you. Because if, if we don'tfully understand this tag and118001:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,810how it's being used, well, thenyou can't just go in and start118101:15:12,810 --> 01:15:18,900doing Wild West stuff with it.No, I agree. And then you have.118201:15:19,530 --> 01:15:24,570So and and that's not really inpodcast feeds anyway. So you're118301:15:24,570 --> 01:15:28,080going to feed generators andhave to make a change,118401:15:28,200 --> 01:15:32,880regardless. So you might as wellgo with podcast with a podcast,118501:15:33,300 --> 01:15:37,920category tag, podcast, colon tagcategory or something like that.118601:15:38,880 --> 01:15:45,630And so there's not you know, sothen, so then I think that's118701:15:45,630 --> 01:15:50,550where we landed in, it's like,okay, who, who wears these?118801:15:50,580 --> 01:15:52,290Where these categories are gonnacome from? Are they going to118901:15:52,290 --> 01:15:55,410come from some preordained listsomewhere? Are they going to be119001:15:55,410 --> 01:16:00,060free form? And I think, I thinkwe're all I think we're both in119101:16:00,060 --> 01:16:05,250agreement. And James, and Ithink is also agreed in119201:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,670everybody who involved in thediscussion, that pain, it really119301:16:08,670 --> 01:16:10,950needs to be a free form thing,because we don't want to just119401:16:10,950 --> 01:16:14,400repeat, you know, redo the same.Here's a master list that119501:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,840somebody else is in control of.119601:16:18,450 --> 01:16:23,250Alecks Gates: Yeah, and Iunderstand. I mean, the main119701:16:23,250 --> 01:16:26,310argument against it is how doyou know which categories to119801:16:26,310 --> 01:16:32,700surface? And I think my there's,there's two? I have two answers119901:16:32,700 --> 01:16:36,330to that, I think. And the firstis, I think we should think of120001:16:36,330 --> 01:16:42,450them as hashtags. Just becausethat seems to be the most user120101:16:42,450 --> 01:16:45,570translatable idea to what we'reactually doing. Whether or not120201:16:45,570 --> 01:16:47,850you call them categories, topicsfrom the name doesn't matter.120301:16:49,110 --> 01:16:52,830But I think, I think it's aconcept people are used to, and120401:16:52,830 --> 01:16:55,230it will directly translate tosome of the other other things120501:16:55,230 --> 01:17:01,170we have going on, such asactivity pub idea, and people120601:17:01,170 --> 01:17:05,550already used to being able tosubscribe to a hashtag, and from120701:17:05,550 --> 01:17:11,100you know, Twitter, Mastodon, orwhatever. And secondly, I'm120801:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,850going to the discovery has to bedone. But I think we can do it120901:17:14,850 --> 01:17:19,470in a way where you could buildit and do the the podcast and121001:17:19,470 --> 01:17:23,520the index API to show me thetrending, trending hashtags,121101:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,980trending categories orsomething. And also, the pod121201:17:28,980 --> 01:17:33,000ping service I'm working on for,it's gonna have a unified push121301:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,860and what push notifications forapps. I want to be able to do121401:17:37,890 --> 01:17:42,270notifications by hashtag aswell. So we could we could have121501:17:42,270 --> 01:17:48,030some kind of decentralized, coolmethod of apps being able to121601:17:48,060 --> 01:17:52,530discover what hashtags areavailable and what's what's121701:17:52,530 --> 01:17:53,010trending.121801:17:55,950 --> 01:17:57,120Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, thatmakes sense.121901:18:00,300 --> 01:18:05,280Alecks Gates: Yeah, good. Well,yeah, yeah. I think people are122001:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,820confused. I think calling it acategory just causes too much122101:18:08,820 --> 01:18:13,290confusion. It's like the yahoo,yahoo keywords like, I get it.122201:18:13,410 --> 01:18:16,830But you don't have to, you don'thave to use them as categories122301:18:16,830 --> 01:18:20,850in your UI, right? You can usethem as small like filters.122401:18:23,130 --> 01:18:29,310Dave Jones: Or labels. Right.Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. How would122501:18:29,310 --> 01:18:36,330you think how would you callthem? Oh, really? Oh, yeah.122601:18:36,330 --> 01:18:39,360That's right. Because they hadthe topics thing in the, in122701:18:39,360 --> 01:18:45,390their dinned directory. Did yousee Nathan's post about using122801:18:45,390 --> 01:18:47,010the Wikimedia identifiers?122901:18:49,020 --> 01:18:54,330Alecks Gates: Yes, and I'll behonest, I think it's, I don't123001:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,000hate the idea. But if it getstoo complicated for the average123101:18:57,000 --> 01:19:04,320user, including me, it might bebetter for you know, a host or,123201:19:04,770 --> 01:19:08,550or whatever to do it behind thescenes. And we would just use123301:19:09,090 --> 01:19:14,430natural language as it is. And Ithink I think it would be123401:19:14,430 --> 01:19:19,560important to like have alanguage attribute to and then123501:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,840if people want to provide aservice that has that translates123601:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,180them to the wicked dataidentifiers that they gave me123701:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,200might be a better idea.123801:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,480Dave Jones: Sort of translatingthe translation in both ways.123901:19:33,510 --> 01:19:33,690What124001:19:33,690 --> 01:19:37,200Adam Curry: exactly is the wikidata stuff? What is that? I124101:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,160didn't see the post.124201:19:40,229 --> 01:19:43,169Alecks Gates: If How do weexplain it? I would call it a124301:19:43,169 --> 01:19:52,229data scientist way of analyzingnatural language. Okay, it's124401:19:52,229 --> 01:19:59,969basically a way of classifyingwords using a human made agenda.124501:19:59,999 --> 01:20:02,609hers don't124601:20:05,310 --> 01:20:08,790Dave Jones: fully understand it.And no, I don't I don't124701:20:08,790 --> 01:20:13,860understand you. But I read aread the linked the linked URL.124801:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,830And I thought, I thought Iunderstood it until about like124901:20:19,860 --> 01:20:23,520this third section down. Andthen I like I don't I clearly125001:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,230don't know what this means. So Ican't. Yeah, I don't know. I125101:20:28,230 --> 01:20:31,890mean, it looks. I mean, it can'tit can't be that difficult. I125201:20:31,890 --> 01:20:36,750think I think the idea was touse like, to put some sort of125301:20:36,750 --> 01:20:40,950guardrails around the possible,you know, the possible values125401:20:40,950 --> 01:20:43,620that could be in these in these,I'm just going to call them125501:20:43,620 --> 01:20:48,360topics just to keep us all saneinstead of categories. When you125601:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,910have a seed, then I don't wantto get caught up in naming125701:20:50,910 --> 01:20:57,990whatever. So like, the, thetopic names, just125801:20:59,910 --> 01:21:02,280Adam Curry: just call them whatthey are. They're hashtags that125901:21:02,340 --> 01:21:04,920the whole world understands whata hashtag is.126001:21:05,730 --> 01:21:09,900Dave Jones: Okay, hashtags. Sowell, Nathan says about126101:21:09,900 --> 01:21:12,120deduplication. Yeah, and I thinkthat's where it was. It's about126201:21:12,120 --> 01:21:17,730guardrails. And so if you can,if you can classify the possible126301:21:17,730 --> 01:21:20,730values that would be containedin these things, sort of, like,126401:21:22,170 --> 01:21:24,960I guess you could, myunderstanding through reading126501:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,720through that document was thatit was sort of like a Dewey126601:21:27,720 --> 01:21:34,890Decimal System. For possiblewords, that go with that go into126701:21:34,890 --> 01:21:39,870a overall like taxonomy of, ofthings. So it's like, okay,126801:21:39,900 --> 01:21:44,460music. If you're in the music,if you're in the Music Section126901:21:44,460 --> 01:21:49,260of the Dewey Decimal catalog,the taxonomy would say, Okay,127001:21:49,260 --> 01:21:53,340now your subcategories are goingto be or your your sub, you127101:21:53,340 --> 01:22:00,270know, indexes are going to bemetal, rock, easy listening,127201:22:00,300 --> 01:22:02,820these kinds of things. But thenif you switch over to the127301:22:03,390 --> 01:22:08,040literature, category of thewiki, data identifiers, or127401:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,160whatever, now you're talkingabout, all of a sudden, now127501:22:11,160 --> 01:22:16,170yours now your subclasses areEnglish literature kill, you127601:22:16,170 --> 01:22:22,140know, Celtic literature, theancient Chinese literature. So I127701:22:22,140 --> 01:22:26,970think, I think that's really theidea. If you had sort of a127801:22:26,970 --> 01:22:32,400premade list of those thingsthat you could like seed with,127901:22:33,270 --> 01:22:36,870which I don't, I don't thinkit's a bad idea to have like128001:22:36,870 --> 01:22:40,230something that automaticallysome sort of hybrid approach128101:22:40,230 --> 01:22:44,040where you have this automaticsuggestion sort of table to help128201:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,530guide people to the thing thatthey're looking for,128301:22:46,590 --> 01:22:48,630Adam Curry: is that externalservice that would just make128401:22:48,630 --> 01:22:50,160sense for that to exist?128501:22:51,270 --> 01:22:53,610Dave Jones: Again, I mean, if weall agreed on the same sort of128601:22:53,610 --> 01:22:57,930bootstrap list, it doesn'tprevent anybody. Do you agree128701:22:57,930 --> 01:22:59,850with this? Alex? It doesn't. Imean, if we had something like128801:22:59,850 --> 01:23:02,280that, it wouldn't preventanybody from putting new things128901:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,160into it. It's just that it sortof like, it's trying to guide129001:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,140you towards an agreed uponvalue.129101:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,280Alecks Gates: Yeah, I mean, Iwould, I would argue that all129201:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,960languages, but it doesn't haveto be part of the spec. You129301:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,460could just have it you can havelists.129401:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,409Dave Jones: LSVT. What you mean?Yeah, yeah, you, we don't have129501:23:22,409 --> 01:23:24,959to define where these thingscome from. But there could just,129601:23:25,229 --> 01:23:29,369it could just be an agreed uponlike, this is which you can use129701:23:29,369 --> 01:23:36,029the list that you want. Okay.Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I129801:23:36,029 --> 01:23:39,809mean, I think we're on the righttrack. How do you if you're129901:23:39,809 --> 01:23:42,449going to implement like, imagineyou're implementing this in peer130001:23:42,449 --> 01:23:45,359tube? What do you think? What doyou think it would look like130101:23:45,359 --> 01:23:46,679from a UI perspective?130201:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,930Alecks Gates: I actually did,and then I removed it. We130301:23:51,930 --> 01:23:53,940already have tags in peer tubeand you could just type in130401:23:53,940 --> 01:23:54,570whatever you want.130501:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,860Adam Curry: And does auto autocomplete with something that130601:23:58,860 --> 01:23:59,940already exists?130701:24:00,749 --> 01:24:03,629Alecks Gates: I don't remember Ihaven't looked at it in a while130801:24:03,629 --> 01:24:06,659but you just edited the videoand there's a whole you actually130901:24:06,659 --> 01:24:10,169got the column tags if you lookat Dave's live live channel131001:24:10,169 --> 01:24:13,229right now. He actually heliterally has PHP podcasts,131101:24:13,229 --> 01:24:17,459index podcasting, podcasting,2.0 and rust shadows131201:24:17,460 --> 01:24:23,790Adam Curry: are really dumb tagsthat you can play using those131301:24:23,790 --> 01:24:24,450tags.131401:24:25,260 --> 01:24:28,440Dave Jones: You can't or not acreative131501:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,500Adam Curry: messing with youbrother.131601:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,270Dave Jones: Okay, cool. Well,maybe maybe that's what we go131701:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,960for. Maybe we say podcast, maybethis maybe the name of this tag131801:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,850is podcast. And then you know,just for just for giggles here131901:24:44,880 --> 01:24:50,910and then we and then we startbecause what I feel like it's132001:24:51,240 --> 01:24:56,280what's going to happen here isthe the first people that132101:24:56,490 --> 01:24:59,070implement this obviously appearto have already got it but132201:24:59,490 --> 01:25:03,900you're going to make gets moreexposed and stuff is done like132301:25:03,900 --> 01:25:06,360is from a hosting perspectivethe first people that are going132401:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,560to go into this is going to belike Dobby das and wave lake132501:25:10,590 --> 01:25:15,450that have music I mean that I'msure they're gonna probably jump132601:25:15,450 --> 01:25:18,930on this pretty quick becausethey need and Steven B because132701:25:18,930 --> 01:25:22,950they need they they're reallythat's really the place where132801:25:22,950 --> 01:25:27,930there's the most pain right nowbut then this is applicable to132901:25:27,930 --> 01:25:31,350way more than just that but asfar as like immediate use case133001:25:31,380 --> 01:25:33,840this is the this is the placewhere it's needed the most133101:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,240because it's it's really adiscovery issue133201:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,789Alecks Gates: I think we allwant to look for music.133301:25:42,720 --> 01:25:48,420Adam Curry: Yeah, yes. Speakingof music Oh, shall we play a133401:25:48,420 --> 01:25:49,170little ditty?133501:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,460Dave Jones: Yeah, who chose thisday? It was a you Yeah,133601:25:53,490 --> 01:25:56,940Adam Curry: I mean I'm sorryAlex I should have asked you.133701:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,200English subterfuge unless unlessyou want to give me a name right133801:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,760now and I can look it up realquick and I got nothing Yeah, I133901:26:05,760 --> 01:26:11,100got nothing. I'm going to be onthis guy's podcast I think this134001:26:11,100 --> 01:26:14,850week or next week because hereached out to me and a number134101:26:14,850 --> 01:26:19,920of other music podcasts are veryupset respectful I want to make134201:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,260sure he was very respectful butvery upset about playing songs134301:26:25,260 --> 01:26:33,330and podcasts including his andusing compression and it's it's134401:26:33,330 --> 01:26:38,310very familiar complaint to mebecause ever since am radio that134501:26:38,310 --> 01:26:41,370your song will not sound thesame as when you mix it in the134601:26:41,370 --> 01:26:46,620studio. And if you listen totoday's top 40 radio they even134701:26:46,620 --> 01:26:52,260spin up the songs add somereverb Believe it or not to and134801:26:52,290 --> 01:26:55,320and compress it and a lot ofthat was done early on because134901:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,760the harder the more compressedand the harder the sound is the135001:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,930more output you get out of thetransmitter literally but he was135101:27:06,930 --> 01:27:10,620like He's really upset and soI'm looking forward to to135201:27:10,620 --> 01:27:15,000discussing that with him andmeanwhile I want to play one of135301:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,910his songs lots of compressionhere on the show if I have not135401:27:20,910 --> 01:27:24,870turning off my compression he'sJimmy V he's from the valley135501:27:24,870 --> 01:27:27,870verse This is sweet time onpodcasting 2.0135601:27:41,490 --> 01:27:51,960Fall God forever135701:28:10,140 --> 01:28:14,820Unknown: so bad all the sweetthing good luck135801:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,760suddenly it happened135901:29:05,490 --> 01:29:06,240Sweet136001:29:36,689 --> 01:29:37,319Nachi136101:29:59,250 --> 01:30:00,390everybody Y'all136201:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,800Adam Curry: if you are not usinga modern podcast app, what is136301:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,760wrong with you go and get amodern podcast app that does the136401:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,000magic wallet switching the superchapters that are also known,136501:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,000because any stats that you werestreaming anything you boosted136601:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,780during that song, go to theartist, we switch the wallets136701:30:39,780 --> 01:30:43,320and everything goes to Jimmy V.And whatever splits he has, in136801:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,890his system. He male, he gave methis analogy. He said, Imagine,136901:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,720I build a hot rod in my garage.And then I take it to your car137001:30:51,720 --> 01:30:57,360show. And then you spray paintall over it. And I said, let me137101:30:57,810 --> 01:31:00,960let me give you this analogy.You come to my car show I take137201:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,840it onto the track. I get itreally muddy. And then137301:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,320everyone's flocking to yourstand to see how beautiful your137401:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,490hot rod is. Remember when you gohome and you say you you bought137501:31:11,490 --> 01:31:14,070the record, he was like oh man,this there's all this stuff I'd137601:31:14,070 --> 01:31:18,360never heard before. That'sbecause radio compresses stuff.137701:31:19,410 --> 01:31:20,520And there's reasons for that.137801:31:22,500 --> 01:31:29,760Dave Jones: It's I mean, I thinkthis not a great analogy. I137901:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,970don't think we spray paintingcars. No, no,138001:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,700Adam Curry: but But what we'redoing is we're changing the138101:31:35,700 --> 01:31:39,780universe is what's happeninghere. This I mean, we have 20138201:31:39,780 --> 01:31:44,820shows now I think that at leastI know of music shows Yeah 20138301:31:44,820 --> 01:31:45,150music138401:31:45,149 --> 01:31:47,819Dave Jones: shows while the wavewave like themselves are and138501:31:47,819 --> 01:31:48,779they got a music Yeah, they138601:31:48,780 --> 01:31:51,300Adam Curry: got a music showout. Yeah, Powell man is Yeah, I138701:31:51,300 --> 01:31:51,780was listening138801:31:51,780 --> 01:31:53,940Dave Jones: to booty call orwhatever that was that Mike138901:31:53,940 --> 01:31:57,720Newman put out earlier bootycall. No, that's not it. It's139001:31:57,720 --> 01:31:58,410some though.139101:31:59,460 --> 01:32:00,510Adam Curry: It's a mood wave.139201:32:01,649 --> 01:32:02,369Dave Jones: booty shaking.139301:32:03,630 --> 01:32:04,410Adam Curry: I haven't heard it.139401:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,610Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that'syeah, there's a bunch of stuff139501:32:08,610 --> 01:32:11,580out there. That's why we needthis like we need because, like139601:32:11,580 --> 01:32:15,270saw like lightning thrashes.Yeah. Homegrown handle show, he139701:32:15,270 --> 01:32:19,950has an easy way to find metal.Yes, exactly. Find the middle.139801:32:20,730 --> 01:32:21,000Right139901:32:20,999 --> 01:32:24,449Adam Curry: now. You know, theinflux of the inflow of music is140001:32:24,449 --> 01:32:27,239manageable enough. So every weekI'll go in, I'll listen to all140101:32:27,239 --> 01:32:32,849the new stuff. Find your stuff.I go into split kit, which are140201:32:32,849 --> 01:32:35,189ln beats, but split kit is easy,because then I just start140301:32:35,189 --> 01:32:39,869building my songs. I want alittle list. And it's140401:32:39,899 --> 01:32:42,569chronological order. So right atthe top, it'll show you the most140501:32:42,569 --> 01:32:44,819recently added and I think nowwave Lake is adding them140601:32:44,819 --> 01:32:48,779automatically. I think. I don'tknow that. Yeah, I think you're140701:32:48,779 --> 01:32:53,759right. Yes. So Mike Newman is onbreak. And he's got a reprieve.140801:32:53,759 --> 01:32:57,149Yes, he does. And I've justlistened to him. You know, just140901:32:57,149 --> 01:33:00,089click on the artist, thensometimes just one song.141001:33:00,089 --> 01:33:03,029Sometimes it's a couple ofsongs. And you know, I just141101:33:03,029 --> 01:33:05,309can't it's like needle droppingand like, oh, okay, like this.141201:33:05,609 --> 01:33:09,239Click, I'll add that to my list.And just go on. Now, sometimes I141301:33:09,239 --> 01:33:15,509can see like, if it's, what's anexample today to go into music,141401:33:15,839 --> 01:33:20,639and you'll see something like,you know, awesome techno snazzy141501:33:20,639 --> 01:33:23,849songs. I'm like, okay, I canprobably just check it for a141601:33:23,849 --> 01:33:26,729second. I might not have tolisten to all of them. That's141701:33:26,730 --> 01:33:27,630Dave Jones: just in and out. I141801:33:27,630 --> 01:33:30,150Adam Curry: mean, yeah, it'sjust not for me. The door. Yeah.141901:33:30,540 --> 01:33:34,050Oh, by the way, Abby Muir who Iplayed last week she's not from142001:33:34,050 --> 01:33:37,230Sweden. She's from Australia. Iwas notified142101:33:38,129 --> 01:33:41,189Dave Jones: were you notified bysweet Yes, we did. The Australia142201:33:41,190 --> 01:33:43,170Adam Curry: the Australianscalled yeah they were pissed142301:33:45,270 --> 01:33:46,560Dave Jones: let me she's numberone on the142401:33:47,610 --> 01:33:51,030Adam Curry: number one getsindexed out top how many what is142501:33:51,030 --> 01:33:54,570the top what are the what is thetop today's top two honoree142601:33:54,570 --> 01:33:59,370today? Of 203? Yes, but here Isee something I don't know yet.142701:33:59,400 --> 01:34:04,170The flat dancer the unusual catsproject so I love these cats142801:34:04,170 --> 01:34:09,450project is a usual usual theusual Yeah, I know. Alan see142901:34:09,450 --> 01:34:13,500Paul. He seemed number fourserenity. As I told him, that's143001:34:13,500 --> 01:34:17,340another instrumental track. Iplayed his track. He put on143101:34:17,340 --> 01:34:22,770Instagram he said perspective.Two weeks on value for value. I143201:34:22,770 --> 01:34:30,900made more money than 10 years.Perspective. Yeah, instrumental143301:34:30,930 --> 01:34:33,330than he plays instrumental lasttime I played an instrumental143401:34:33,330 --> 01:34:39,360song on top 40 was Axel F with atheme from Miami Vice or Yan,143501:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,770holler. Whatever, Yan Hummer?Yeah, yeah, no, it was Beverly143601:34:43,770 --> 01:34:47,310Hills Cop was Axel F. And thenafter that came on Hummer with143701:34:47,310 --> 01:34:49,980theme from Miami Vice. That wasthe last time I played anything143801:34:49,980 --> 01:34:50,760instrumental,143901:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,640Dave Jones: though, dude, you'vegot to put you've got to play144001:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,390some of this. The flat dancerthing. Like that's a pretty144101:34:57,390 --> 01:35:01,650killer track, jazz or something?Yeah, like the usual cats.144201:35:01,679 --> 01:35:05,189Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I don'thave I don't have it. Which one144301:35:05,849 --> 01:35:06,179the flight144401:35:06,180 --> 01:35:08,790Dave Jones: was played like thisbiggest puppy hitting the door144501:35:08,790 --> 01:35:10,260just picking picking on it for asecond.144601:35:13,019 --> 01:35:14,009Adam Curry: Okay, I got you144701:35:15,269 --> 01:35:16,769Dave Jones: to stand up bass iswhat that is.144801:35:19,979 --> 01:35:23,309Adam Curry: Bom bom bom bom bom.Nice. Alright, cool.144901:35:23,340 --> 01:35:25,320Dave Jones: That's it. It's amood waiting to happen.145001:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,540Adam Curry: Got it. That's abooty. shakin right there. All145101:35:27,540 --> 01:35:31,020right, let's check that out forsure. For sure. I gotta do a145201:35:31,020 --> 01:35:33,960boosted ground ball this week.Okay, yeah.145301:35:35,460 --> 01:35:39,870Dave Jones: Alex pod ping overactivity pub. Does that fill you145401:35:39,870 --> 01:35:43,620with the with, with dread? Ordoes that sound interesting?145501:35:46,500 --> 01:35:47,430Alecks Gates: Can you elaborate?145601:35:49,140 --> 01:35:55,260Dave Jones: Yes, I can. So I hadthis, I had this idea because145701:35:55,260 --> 01:35:58,620I'm in my head is in activitypub mode right now. And I'm, I'm145801:35:58,620 --> 01:36:01,590trying to get away from that. Sothey can get back to doing index145901:36:01,590 --> 01:36:05,760work. But it's like, I'm justconsumed with it. So I was146001:36:05,760 --> 01:36:11,730thinking, if if pod pings werealso deliverable over activity146101:36:11,730 --> 01:36:19,290pub, then we could use activitypub as, as, as another medium to146201:36:19,290 --> 01:36:23,580get in Pub Sub ability so thatyou could subscribe to something146301:36:23,580 --> 01:36:27,540like to you could subscribe tothe show.146401:36:28,230 --> 01:36:30,360Adam Curry: up on me. How abouthow about, can I just trip your146501:36:30,360 --> 01:36:35,760mind? About subscribe to ahashtag? That comes through on146601:36:35,760 --> 01:36:36,360pod ping?146701:36:37,770 --> 01:36:40,320Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Oh,yeah, for sure. Okay, yeah, like146801:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,560that. You could, we could dothat too. Like you say, if we146901:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,280combine them say, hey, you know,hashtag but so that you can say,147001:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,210okay, these shows I want to getpod pings for. And they would147101:36:51,210 --> 01:36:58,260have like a custom activity potype object type for the pod147201:36:58,260 --> 01:37:04,380pain. And it could serve as asub subscription mechanism.147301:37:05,730 --> 01:37:07,260Through the data bridge.147401:37:11,550 --> 01:37:15,180Alecks Gates: The only issue Ican see would be this is not147501:37:15,180 --> 01:37:20,460globally deliverable. It's notlike it's not it's not a global147601:37:20,460 --> 01:37:28,290message bus, right. Some thingscould be missed. Maybe instances147701:37:29,100 --> 01:37:31,950might start blocking things. Idon't know if that's really147801:37:31,950 --> 01:37:35,460relevant. Because if you followsomething, that's all you would147901:37:35,460 --> 01:37:38,880need. I have to think about it.But I'm not totally against the148001:37:38,880 --> 01:37:39,300idea.148101:37:39,660 --> 01:37:43,110Dave Jones: Can I Can I ask hey,that's all I need. For Alex to148201:37:43,110 --> 01:37:45,510say. I'm totally against theidea. That's, that's the148301:37:45,540 --> 01:37:46,890daylight I was looking for.148401:37:47,190 --> 01:37:50,370Adam Curry: I need to ask aquestion day. Four. So148501:37:50,370 --> 01:37:55,140publishing today's episode, whatdo I use as the route posts?148601:37:55,500 --> 01:37:58,950Because I'm still a littleconfused. Anything, anything?148701:37:59,490 --> 01:38:02,190Well, how does that how doesthat integrate them with people148801:38:02,190 --> 01:38:03,750who are following the show?148901:38:04,950 --> 01:38:08,370Dave Jones: Okay, so the latestversion of the bridge will just149001:38:08,370 --> 01:38:13,290take whatever is in the route,post, whatever's in the social149101:38:13,290 --> 01:38:18,900interact tag URL. And we'll justput that as a link in the post.149201:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,660Oh,149301:38:21,690 --> 01:38:26,280Adam Curry: god. Okay. Now Iunderstand how it works. So we149401:38:26,550 --> 01:38:30,600can just click right when yousubscribe to the show. So you149501:38:30,600 --> 01:38:35,160know at what is it 249966Whatever it is at a P dot149601:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,450podcast index.org then when thatpops up, it'll have a link and149701:38:39,450 --> 01:38:44,520that's the and that's the linkthat I put in as the root post.149801:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,330Dave Jones: Yeah, and it can belinked to any activity. Okay,149901:38:48,330 --> 01:38:51,810Adam Curry: thank you all right.Now I understand like oh, well150001:38:51,810 --> 01:38:54,960good. Well, this solves oh manlove that. By the way. Lex150101:38:54,960 --> 01:39:00,690Friedman is using pod ping turnsout you know, Lex Friedman is150201:39:00,690 --> 01:39:05,910huge. podcaster. So Andrew BrownBlack Tiger. Yeah, the Brandon150301:39:05,910 --> 01:39:11,460black. Andrew Gromit just postedon the on the social and he's a150401:39:11,460 --> 01:39:15,270screenshot of Lex Friedman'sURL, and it says pod ping uses150501:39:15,270 --> 01:39:22,290pod ping equals true. Really?Yeah. I don't know. I don't150601:39:22,290 --> 01:39:22,470know.150701:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,830Dave Jones: Doesn't say where toget investigative investigate150801:39:25,830 --> 01:39:26,130this.150901:39:27,899 --> 01:39:32,879Adam Curry: Likes to show that Imean, yeah, these are151001:39:32,879 --> 01:39:36,659interesting little tidbits. Bythe way. Andrew Gromit. I see151101:39:36,659 --> 01:39:40,199your I see your boosts I seeyour tests boost their show.151201:39:40,199 --> 01:39:40,529What151301:39:40,530 --> 01:39:41,760Dave Jones: is it What's hecooking up?151401:39:42,810 --> 01:39:46,200Adam Curry: I don't while he'she's he's still cooking up the151501:39:47,130 --> 01:39:51,900podcast as well wonder what'sthe RSS feed? Let's take a look151601:39:51,900 --> 01:39:53,220at his feed. What is he using?151701:39:53,970 --> 01:39:57,450Dave Jones: Oh, he's Oh no. Herewe go. Yeah, no. Oh,151801:39:57,450 --> 01:40:00,540Adam Curry: he's on Bloomberg.Bloomberg. Powerful. Read our151901:40:00,540 --> 01:40:03,120press. Oh, how about that?152001:40:03,300 --> 01:40:05,730Dave Jones: Todd delivering thegood? Yes. Bang,152101:40:05,730 --> 01:40:09,300Adam Curry: bang. Alright, verycool. We go. Very cool.152201:40:09,330 --> 01:40:12,990Dave Jones: What? What's newusers pod things? Like cool.152301:40:13,830 --> 01:40:19,890Todd. What's new on the pod painfront? Alex?152401:40:23,550 --> 01:40:25,470Alecks Gates: Well, nothingreally. That's a good thing,152501:40:25,470 --> 01:40:28,830right? Yeah, running. Thisversion has been running for152601:40:29,340 --> 01:40:31,110Adam Curry: over a year. Now,what's the uptime? How many how152701:40:31,110 --> 01:40:33,180many hours up to how manyminutes uptime?152801:40:33,810 --> 01:40:36,330Alecks Gates: Well, Dave had to,actually there's no downtime,152901:40:36,330 --> 01:40:39,060which centers on hive,technically, but they've had to153001:40:39,060 --> 01:40:41,190do some updates, I think lastyear, but otherwise,153101:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,780Dave Jones: I actually rebootedeverything about a month ago.153201:40:45,780 --> 01:40:49,500But before then it had beenlike, I think a year while since153301:40:49,500 --> 01:40:50,310that service.153401:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,840Alecks Gates: I'm really proudof that. It's so stable, and no153501:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,420one really even thinks about it,which is what you want guy153601:40:57,510 --> 01:40:59,700Adam Curry: precise, just stuffthat works.153701:41:00,060 --> 01:41:04,290Alecks Gates: Yeah. So. But inreality, we do have to think153801:41:04,290 --> 01:41:08,790about an update for the mediums,particularly, or the publisher.153901:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,170So if we want the publishermedium, or whatever we decide to154001:41:13,170 --> 01:41:17,760call it. I think we're, we needto add that to pod ping. And154101:41:17,760 --> 01:41:24,750then there were a couple others,I think, who wanted the, I can't154201:41:24,780 --> 01:41:27,810I can't remember what it was.But there's a couple, there's a154301:41:27,810 --> 01:41:29,730couple of meetings we have toadd. And that's it. There's,154401:41:30,240 --> 01:41:30,450Adam Curry: like154501:41:30,450 --> 01:41:32,580Dave Jones: course, or whatever.Yes, of course. That's154601:41:32,580 --> 01:41:33,300Alecks Gates: right. Okay.154701:41:34,500 --> 01:41:38,040Adam Curry: So, sir denonnamous, who created being154801:41:38,040 --> 01:41:43,500at.io, which is basically he'singested every transcript from154901:41:43,500 --> 01:41:48,000no agenda, every show notes,because I published an OPML. All155001:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,970the image is he's got everythingin there. And he has a search155101:41:50,970 --> 01:41:55,830function. Hey, I gotta read it.Well, he's, you know, it's a155201:41:55,830 --> 01:41:59,820search function. And, but itwould be great to have some kind155301:41:59,820 --> 01:42:02,760of large language model bakedout or as they call it now155401:42:02,790 --> 01:42:06,210extended? No, is it? Yeah, Ithink it's called extended155501:42:06,210 --> 01:42:11,910language model. This is a newhip term. So when he was when,155601:42:11,940 --> 01:42:15,300when I published, so when I sowhat comes after the fact I155701:42:15,300 --> 01:42:22,470publish the the transcript comeslater. Right, I put a dummy file155801:42:22,470 --> 01:42:26,640in and then a dummy file, and itput one chapter in. And then155901:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,300Dred Scott goes and does thechapters. And then after 30156001:42:30,300 --> 01:42:34,470minutes, or whatever, I uploadthe full transcript. And so I156101:42:34,470 --> 01:42:40,110hit update. But I don't thinkwhen I hit the pod ping, does156201:42:40,110 --> 01:42:42,240that just create an update?Reason code?156301:42:43,380 --> 01:42:47,670Alecks Gates: Yes, yes. And itwon't. apps won't know that156401:42:47,670 --> 01:42:49,650there's no update to thechapters without checking the156501:42:49,710 --> 01:42:54,810zero. Right? I do I do have asolution for that. Okay. It's156601:42:54,810 --> 01:42:59,100called if you go to the page orgo to the pod pinning hive156701:42:59,100 --> 01:43:04,620writer, GitHub. I think it's thethe update, external reason156801:43:04,620 --> 01:43:10,140code. And it basically,basically, the idea is to take a156901:43:10,140 --> 01:43:15,960hash of the of the URL, and senda pod pain when you update157001:43:16,290 --> 01:43:19,800something external to the feed,that note that notifies apps157101:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,340that something has changes. Soit would be chapters, images,157201:43:23,370 --> 01:43:25,890transcripts, all the above Ah,157301:43:25,890 --> 01:43:28,320Adam Curry: beautiful. Well,that's exactly the answer he's157401:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,920looking for. We just have tomake it. So157501:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,820Alecks Gates: that would be I'mall for doing that as soon as157601:43:35,820 --> 01:43:37,410possible. If we agree to do it.157701:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,900Adam Curry: I would love it.Because that's, you know,157801:43:40,050 --> 01:43:42,750there's just certain things thatcome after the fact chapters.157901:43:42,990 --> 01:43:46,020You know, there's all kinds ofdifferent types of chapters that158001:43:46,020 --> 01:43:52,110add even with the reflex servicewith the often disputed reflex158101:43:52,110 --> 01:43:55,680service of adding a you know,putting the booths not at the158201:43:55,680 --> 01:44:01,500table of contents, but into intoa chapter marker. You know, that158301:44:01,500 --> 01:44:03,000updates on the fly as well.158401:44:04,050 --> 01:44:08,520Dave Jones: See, this is theupdate. exe. Yes. An indication158501:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,070that an existing RSS feed with adefined podcast good has changed158601:44:11,070 --> 01:44:15,180externally available resourcegiven good must be okay. Yeah.158701:44:16,260 --> 01:44:17,700Yeah, this makes sense. Makessense of158801:44:17,700 --> 01:44:19,710Alecks Gates: doing it that way.Is it woodworkers some some like158901:44:19,710 --> 01:44:23,700IPFS as well. So I'm not tryingto try and keep a future proof.159001:44:24,000 --> 01:44:24,600Adam Curry: Nice.159101:44:24,690 --> 01:44:29,250Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, right.Okay. Yeah, this might Yeah,159201:44:29,250 --> 01:44:31,650this makes sense. Yeah, we'llhave to get it we're gonna have159301:44:31,650 --> 01:44:36,360to get back to pod payingwhenever, maybe, maybe, maybe159401:44:36,360 --> 01:44:40,170timeline on that, for me wouldbe to kind of get back into the159501:44:40,950 --> 01:44:44,700after face seven, because thenwe can figure out if we, which159601:44:44,700 --> 01:44:48,090published like which mediums weneed, and then we can just159701:44:48,090 --> 01:44:50,760revisit it and do it. Kind ofhit that all at once. If you're159801:44:50,760 --> 01:44:51,420ready for it.159901:44:52,710 --> 01:44:54,720Alecks Gates: Let's do it. Partthree is my favorite subject.160001:44:56,700 --> 01:44:59,790Adam Curry: is shall we thankthanks a few people. Oh, yeah,160101:44:59,790 --> 01:45:02,190sure. I'm gonna run through someof the live boosts we've been160201:45:02,190 --> 01:45:06,750receiving on my fancy new helipad by the way Eric P P. It160301:45:06,750 --> 01:45:11,310still shows the install wasversion Oh dot one dot 11 But it160401:45:11,310 --> 01:45:16,260shows Oh dot one dot 10 on theinterface just FYI little little160501:45:16,260 --> 01:45:23,460bug feedback inside baseballbully steed 4444 Ah podcasting160601:45:23,460 --> 01:45:28,7102.0 homegrown hits variety showv Furby little promo there yeah160701:45:28,740 --> 01:45:32,70070 and 76 Freedom booths fromblueberry I'm loving podcast160801:45:32,700 --> 01:45:36,420guru and the live value timesplit so cool. So very deeply160901:45:36,420 --> 01:45:41,430legal. Enjoying some Jimmy V inthe boardroom and there's Dobby161001:45:41,430 --> 01:45:45,060das with 3000 SATs and what's heboosting from podcast guru as161101:45:45,060 --> 01:45:48,120well boosting Jimmy V LIVE viapodcast guru with live wallet161201:45:48,120 --> 01:45:54,270switching 19 value recipients hereally has 19 value recipients161301:45:54,570 --> 01:45:57,240Dave Jones: you want to know whylb goes down? That's this161401:45:57,240 --> 01:45:58,680blueberry that's161501:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,300Adam Curry: I wonder if that'sthat's that Jimmy V i don't have161601:46:03,300 --> 01:46:06,480no we don't have 19 dogs so Iguess he so we switched to 19161701:46:06,480 --> 01:46:12,930value recipients love it. Geez.Dred Scott 4567 from pod verse161801:46:13,110 --> 01:46:18,510and he says love you Adamhashtag SATs back. Boost me161901:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,440boost me on cast thematic andI'll send you some back 8888162001:46:22,440 --> 01:46:26,520from a Chris You know, on podverse with Alex gates on the162101:46:26,520 --> 01:46:31,620show. For those who are antinoster I challenged them to162201:46:31,620 --> 01:46:37,800build a competing solution tonip 47 Pull requests 685 which162301:46:37,800 --> 01:46:42,480allows any podcast player topush payment out info out into162401:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,740any wallet, including noncustodial wallets. This includes162501:46:46,740 --> 01:46:51,210keys and splits custom keycustom value and any TLV162601:46:51,210 --> 01:46:55,380records. LB is fantastic. Buthaving backups is a good idea.162701:46:56,550 --> 01:46:59,490Okay, Does anyone understandwhat that is?162801:46:59,700 --> 01:47:00,900Dave Jones: No, no, no.162901:47:02,490 --> 01:47:07,590Adam Curry: Nip 47 685 47163001:47:07,620 --> 01:47:11,070Dave Jones: net 47 And what wasthe 685163101:47:11,370 --> 01:47:14,040Adam Curry: nostre walletconnect extensions?163201:47:16,530 --> 01:47:19,470Dave Jones: Oh noster walletconnect okay describes a way for163301:47:19,470 --> 01:47:21,210clients to access remotelightning wallet, their163401:47:21,210 --> 01:47:22,320standardized protocol.163501:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,620Alecks Gates: Don't Don't Don'tget me started on Nastar. It's163601:47:25,620 --> 01:47:26,010just163701:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,110Dave Jones: they think he's kindof want to163801:47:33,540 --> 01:47:36,690Adam Curry: see what happenswhen you poke the bear. All163901:47:36,690 --> 01:47:37,290right, but164001:47:38,970 --> 01:47:42,690Alecks Gates: yes, it's justit's just a way of using164101:47:42,690 --> 01:47:48,540centralized servers to publishHTTP endpoints. It doesn't solve164201:47:48,540 --> 01:47:49,260anything new.164301:47:50,910 --> 01:47:55,290Adam Curry: Moving on toblueberry with 6666 I'm happy to164401:47:55,290 --> 01:47:58,920move on. It should be noted wehave a severe overpopulation of164501:47:58,920 --> 01:48:03,720goats in the greenroom. And weneed your help all boost. A164601:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,830goats are getting dropped from666 to six six this coming164701:48:07,830 --> 01:48:13,020Monday on beyond the schemes.That's right fools. This is an164801:48:13,020 --> 01:48:14,460ad Episode One164901:48:14,700 --> 01:48:15,870Dave Jones: snip 47165001:48:18,420 --> 01:48:21,240Adam Curry: That's right foolsepisode 187 We'll see a fire165101:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,380sale on goats they've got to gookay and blueberry comes in with165201:48:25,530 --> 01:48:30,90017,776 That's shout out to Heycitizen for the tip on how to165301:48:30,900 --> 01:48:34,980get lightning control going offthe computer. Oh yeah, that is165401:48:34,980 --> 01:48:39,450kind of cool. So be sent a videowhen a boost comes through then165501:48:39,450 --> 01:48:42,270all of a sudden some lightsflash in the studio. I like165601:48:42,270 --> 01:48:44,070that. You saw those videos.165701:48:44,190 --> 01:48:46,410Dave Jones: Did you see thatAlex that he did you see what he165801:48:46,410 --> 01:48:46,890posted?165901:48:48,360 --> 01:48:49,530Alecks Gates: No, but I want to166001:48:49,650 --> 01:48:52,950Adam Curry: Yeah, he's using DMXprotocol to fire off lights166101:48:53,250 --> 01:48:55,950right? This is quite literallygonna be lit we got another166201:48:55,950 --> 01:48:58,980crazy idea for new type ofboosts So be watching for to166301:48:58,980 --> 01:49:03,060debut on homegrown hit soonishOkay. Salty crayon comes in how166401:49:03,060 --> 01:49:06,480do you boardroom with the roadducks 2222 from pod verse. How166501:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,760do you from the northeast cornerof the Texas Hill Country the166601:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,780fountain split percentages areout of whack I don't have over166701:49:12,780 --> 01:49:17,9101,000% on my note for splits.This is this is something Dobby166801:49:17,910 --> 01:49:21,930Das is working on with fountainto correct no errors on my E166901:49:21,930 --> 01:49:25,200they're coming through break newflag release for Texas to the167001:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,440Biden administration F aroundand find out in the pipe go167101:49:28,440 --> 01:49:33,660podcasting. Whoa. I saw a lot167201:49:33,660 --> 01:49:36,510Dave Jones: of is a lot of drunkdonations gonna It's Saturday,167301:49:36,510 --> 01:49:37,800Adam Curry: you know it's adifferent crowd in the167401:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,520boardroom. It's like everyonecame in their casual slacks you167501:49:41,520 --> 01:49:47,190know, like came in jeans, littlebuzz, you know, like, hey, we167601:49:47,250 --> 01:49:51,390coming in from podcast Guru 500SATs from Sockeye the horse and167701:49:51,390 --> 01:49:58,710cue another salty crayon with anAbby boost. Then there's a test167801:49:58,710 --> 01:50:05,640boost from me and And I thinkwell, there's one from five167901:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,970hours ago. So you have that one.That was a question a topic for168001:50:08,970 --> 01:50:11,820Alex. So I think we can move itover to you, Dave.168101:50:12,750 --> 01:50:15,000Dave Jones: Okay, well, let melet me hit some papers first,168201:50:15,000 --> 01:50:19,470because we've got. I mentionedlast week we lost a big donor.168301:50:19,470 --> 01:50:25,290And yeah, I was I was incorrect,because, but Buzzsprout can't168401:50:25,320 --> 01:50:30,030cancel their $500 a monthdonation. Because they were168501:50:30,060 --> 01:50:34,680going to add a news monthlydonation of $1,000. So168601:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,530Adam Curry: we just got $2,000.From from bessborough. Yes.168701:50:39,060 --> 01:50:45,900Sakala 20 is blade only Impala,guys, thank you so much. Yeah,168801:50:45,900 --> 01:50:51,630that that. That really, that isbig. Thank you. Yeah, that's a168901:50:51,660 --> 01:50:54,660massive value that you're givingus there. And169001:50:54,660 --> 01:50:57,870Dave Jones: congrats to them.Because that blog said the169101:50:57,870 --> 01:50:59,130transcript tag was what?169201:50:59,190 --> 01:51:01,380Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, theybrought it to the party for169301:51:01,380 --> 01:51:03,090sure. Because169401:51:03,120 --> 01:51:05,370Dave Jones: I think that was thefirst tag we worked on in the169501:51:05,370 --> 01:51:10,140namespace. And it's because theywere already trial running it169601:51:10,140 --> 01:51:12,900when, when when the namespacewas created, they were already169701:51:12,900 --> 01:51:15,870trial running that tag withpodcast with Xavier from podcast169801:51:15,870 --> 01:51:19,230addict. So they were doing sometesting with it. And they had,169901:51:19,770 --> 01:51:22,470they had just kind of rolled itout the door. And then the170001:51:22,470 --> 01:51:24,420namespace came along and they'relike, Hey, let's just go ahead170101:51:24,420 --> 01:51:28,260and put this into the namespace.Thank God since there Yeah, what170201:51:28,260 --> 01:51:30,090Adam Curry: was the wasn'tchapters from a different170301:51:30,090 --> 01:51:30,960namespace170401:51:32,189 --> 01:51:37,259Dave Jones: chapters, weinherited the format from an app170501:51:37,289 --> 01:51:42,599called Mac called podcastchapters for the Mac.170601:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,450Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Right.That's what it was. Yes. Yeah.170701:51:47,460 --> 01:51:49,620Dave Jones: We also the party'snot over because of Marco170801:51:49,620 --> 01:51:51,990Harmon. He's back with $500again this170901:51:53,580 --> 01:51:56,280Adam Curry: man we are justhammering it with the value171001:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,940Thank you. And just because itwas kind of slow the past couple171101:51:59,940 --> 01:52:02,910of shows. So this is verywelcome. And171201:52:02,910 --> 01:52:05,610Dave Jones: I'm hoping that I'mhoping that another benefit of171301:52:05,610 --> 01:52:09,870of Apple adopting 2.0 tags it'sgonna be that that guy over cash171401:52:09,900 --> 01:52:13,290Yeah, yeah. will become morecomfortable with with doing171501:52:13,290 --> 01:52:15,570these things as well. And sowe'll get more broad adoption171601:52:16,560 --> 01:52:16,770that171701:52:16,770 --> 01:52:19,710Adam Curry: he might want to,you know, surpass them by adding171801:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,280just the thought. We got171901:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,140Dave Jones: one we get oneweekly pay pal from Travis172001:52:28,140 --> 01:52:31,410halls. He says thank you $7.17Thank you.172101:52:31,500 --> 01:52:32,250Adam Curry: Thank you Travis.172201:52:33,660 --> 01:52:39,180Dave Jones: Appreciate it gets aboost. We get 10,000 SATs. Yeah,172301:52:39,180 --> 01:52:43,020me too. Nathan I get the PocketCasts is there another one that172401:52:43,020 --> 01:52:45,720said that they were going to beputting in a bunch of stuff and172501:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,640then they did that ever truly.Yeah, that's yeah.172601:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,110Adam Curry: They and they rolledout subscriptions for themselves172701:52:52,740 --> 01:52:53,610for themselves.172801:52:55,740 --> 01:52:59,430Dave Jones: Anonymous five 500SATs as a great song that was172901:52:59,430 --> 01:53:04,380for during the song last weekall right. Yep, just listening173001:53:04,380 --> 01:53:08,430send a 1776 through fountain andhe says I need that Bill Gates173101:53:08,430 --> 01:53:10,590AI clip boosting episode 163173201:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,320Adam Curry: It's published it'son it you can go to Bing it.io173301:53:16,590 --> 01:53:18,960and look for Bill Gates and thenlook for Eclipse and you'll find173401:53:18,960 --> 01:53:19,110it173501:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,040Dave Jones: Chris last oh thisChris from Jupiter broadcasting173601:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,82068 848 through fountain he saysgreat work guys really cooking173701:53:26,820 --> 01:53:32,880with clean burning propane thesedays? Most appreciate it. Chris.173801:53:34,440 --> 01:53:38,850Let's see who got 1701 throughmy from my Dale cast thematic.173901:53:38,850 --> 01:53:40,500He says alternate feed tag.174001:53:41,820 --> 01:53:46,710Adam Curry: Yes. Alternate feedtag. Boost. Alternate feed tag.174101:53:46,740 --> 01:53:47,130Yeah.174201:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,180Dave Jones: We're We're on it.Mike. I'm posting in the in the174301:53:51,180 --> 01:53:56,940GitHub back in the namespacenow. munei Gomez 4321 says174401:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,280through pod verse. He says youguys are making so much sass.174501:53:59,280 --> 01:54:00,360Here's some more says174601:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,720Adam Curry: Yeah. Give me somesass. Give me some sass streams174701:54:03,720 --> 01:54:05,250stream no SATs.174801:54:06,120 --> 01:54:11,940Dave Jones: He's both been 1337leet boost through cast Matic.174901:54:11,940 --> 01:54:15,120He says, Could you make an APIendpoint that returns a JSON175001:54:15,120 --> 01:54:18,840hash of all the bucket likethings where each object has a175101:54:18,840 --> 01:54:23,070title as the key and a subobject with the URL and a175201:54:23,070 --> 01:54:27,630description of what it is akasomething like stats URL, this175301:54:27,750 --> 01:54:32,070description URL, this otherthing? Oh, okay. That's actually175401:54:32,070 --> 01:54:32,310an175501:54:33,060 --> 01:54:35,340Adam Curry: what is that? Idon't understand. So175601:54:35,340 --> 01:54:37,710Dave Jones: he's wanting an A,he's wanting an endpoint in the175701:54:37,710 --> 01:54:41,760API where he can record whereyou can request all the various175801:54:41,790 --> 01:54:45,180bits of stuff that we publishedan object storage. They're just175901:54:45,180 --> 01:54:49,200sort of like single downloadslike a stats file is located176001:54:49,200 --> 01:54:55,680here. The podcast, let the valueprovider stats page is here,176101:54:55,680 --> 01:54:55,860that176201:54:57,060 --> 01:54:59,610Adam Curry: info endpoint. Yeah,it makes176301:54:59,610 --> 01:55:01,950Dave Jones: sense. I can dothat. Yeah. Because I've been176401:55:01,950 --> 01:55:04,590looking for a way to make thatstuff more easily, easily176501:55:04,590 --> 01:55:07,290findable to Yeah. They make anote of that.176601:55:09,660 --> 01:55:12,030Adam Curry: Info API endpoint.176701:55:12,570 --> 01:55:15,510Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah, sure.Gene that sounds like a great176801:55:15,510 --> 01:55:19,080idea. Cole McCormick 3333through fountain he says the176901:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,780wave Lake talk is interesting. Ijust had an interview with an177001:55:21,780 --> 01:55:24,240artist who considered waveliketo be posting his music on the177101:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,270Lightning Network. Had to layhim in on the podcasting177201:55:27,270 --> 01:55:29,700revolution noster was never athing in my opinion. So177301:55:29,700 --> 01:55:32,340hopefully they stopped talkingabout it and be a modern music177401:55:32,340 --> 01:55:34,470host similar to pod home. Oh,177501:55:34,650 --> 01:55:36,180Adam Curry: that is kind of mydream.177601:55:37,830 --> 01:55:42,120Dave Jones: At just feel likehonestly, with with all of the177701:55:42,150 --> 01:55:44,550Bitcoin based companies I feellike nostra has just been a177801:55:44,550 --> 01:55:46,680gigantic distraction of time andmoney.177901:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,070Adam Curry: There was ainteresting interview on the178001:55:50,070 --> 01:55:55,350power the Phantom phantom powerbusiness hour, I think and they178101:55:55,350 --> 01:56:05,010had they had on Jay 50 fiveswife, who does marketing. And it178201:56:05,010 --> 01:56:07,860was kind of interesting, becauseit became more and more apparent178301:56:07,860 --> 01:56:11,820that you know that they'rereally a solution looking for a178401:56:11,820 --> 01:56:16,230problem. Yeah, and everyone seesit, you know, the Bitcoin thing178501:56:16,230 --> 01:56:19,080is just, it's just like, youknow, it opens up a wallet when178601:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,740you click on the on the ZAPthing. It's like, okay, you178701:56:22,740 --> 01:56:24,480know, can't we do that onTwitter too?178801:56:25,500 --> 01:56:27,780Dave Jones: Let's liquid thisliquid. You said Alex is like,178901:56:27,810 --> 01:56:31,530it's not bringing anything newto the table. It's just the same179001:56:31,530 --> 01:56:32,040old thing.179101:56:32,580 --> 01:56:38,820Adam Curry: And so Domus has25,000 users that download I179201:56:38,820 --> 01:56:42,060don't know if that's activeusers. It feels when I look at179301:56:42,060 --> 01:56:46,980Nasr. It feels like 5000 tops.Just doesn't doesn't feel like179401:56:46,980 --> 01:56:50,490much of me. And then the theunique selling point is, you179501:56:50,490 --> 01:56:53,130know, censorship resistant.Okay.179601:56:54,360 --> 01:56:58,350Dave Jones: But I would arguethat I would argue that activity179701:56:58,350 --> 01:57:04,560Pub is more censorship resistantthan Nasri all day long. I mean,179801:57:04,920 --> 01:57:05,310yeah.179901:57:07,470 --> 01:57:09,390Adam Curry: I would not take theother side of that argument.180001:57:10,710 --> 01:57:13,050Dave Jones: Yeah, because you'reright. It's because it made us180101:57:13,050 --> 01:57:17,040centuries, like, like Alex said,is centralized HTTP. So180201:57:17,100 --> 01:57:18,510Adam Curry: this age has spoken.180301:57:21,390 --> 01:57:26,250Dave Jones: This age hasrepeated what Alex said. Gene180401:57:26,250 --> 01:57:30,210been 111 SATs says I'm diggingthe sound and feel of this song.180501:57:30,210 --> 01:57:31,200Nice find Adam.180601:57:31,649 --> 01:57:33,809Adam Curry: Oh, that is thatAbby again? Probably Yeah,180701:57:34,349 --> 01:57:36,929probably. So she's already atthe top of the chart.180801:57:38,580 --> 01:57:41,910Dave Jones: I tried Bootsy gene,again, 2222 pieces, I tried180901:57:41,910 --> 01:57:45,030boosting about value blocks andbroke stuff because it was over181001:57:45,030 --> 01:57:48,510700 characters IE, here's a linkto the content of the original181101:57:48,510 --> 01:57:52,020boost, instead, you're gonna geta link to something.181201:57:54,090 --> 01:57:55,650Adam Curry: Here we're gonnahave there's limits to what you181301:57:55,650 --> 01:57:59,460should be doing in boostingGraham's. He's the people who181401:57:59,460 --> 01:58:03,300sang the same gene being is thekind of guy who sends me a one181501:58:03,300 --> 01:58:05,790gig movie through email. Cool,man, look at it.181601:58:09,090 --> 01:58:11,250Dave Jones: Gene bean has a lotto say say, I wonder I wonder if181701:58:11,250 --> 01:58:14,010this is too long. So speaking ofvalue blogs, what became of181801:58:14,010 --> 01:58:17,730making an API endpoint thatprovides a version of my RSS181901:58:17,730 --> 01:58:23,190feed enhanced with value blocksshown via podcast or wallet? Did182001:58:23,190 --> 01:58:25,140we say we were going to do that?I don't182101:58:26,430 --> 01:58:27,150Adam Curry: think so.182201:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,360Dave Jones: He said somethingabout training pot home and we'd182301:58:30,360 --> 01:58:32,760love for them to be able toimport my fee that doesn't have182401:58:32,940 --> 01:58:35,790oh, I know what he's talking. Iknow what he's talking about.182501:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,580And he's talking about like whatwe're having. Where for podcasts182601:58:41,580 --> 01:58:44,700to quality if you wanted to movethe splits for the old episodes182701:58:44,700 --> 01:58:49,080wouldn't be there. Yeah. Oh,right. We're we're gonna export182801:58:49,080 --> 01:58:55,440it out. There yeah, I forgot todo that. And I don't like this182901:58:55,440 --> 01:59:00,090episode is hashtag Dave to do. Igot home. Yes, seriously, I got183001:59:00,090 --> 01:59:02,610homework now. Was the XML.183101:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,120Alecks Gates: Maybe we shouldput that hashtag in the item.183201:59:06,630 --> 01:59:11,130Oh, there's actually everyepisode.183301:59:12,420 --> 01:59:15,630Dave Jones: You're right.Because every episode, my list183401:59:15,630 --> 01:59:18,630gets longer. I think this isthis is correct. It will ruin183501:59:18,630 --> 01:59:23,940your list though. Yes, I'll justignore it like I always do. 2022183601:59:23,940 --> 01:59:27,510Jacob, do pod verse. Fantasticidea to use time splits and183701:59:27,510 --> 01:59:29,760through them direct messaging toadvertisers.183801:59:30,300 --> 01:59:34,380Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, itworked. It looks like looks like183901:59:34,410 --> 01:59:39,720pod pod news. Got moreadvertising just keeps on going184001:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,010with the with Hindenburg.184101:59:42,450 --> 01:59:47,130Dave Jones: Yeah, Franco, that'sFranco Celerio for cast ematic184201:59:47,130 --> 01:59:50,070is sent 500 says he says GirlsRock.184301:59:52,620 --> 01:59:55,380Adam Curry: Okay, Frank. Ireplied to him, actually, that184401:59:55,380 --> 01:59:58,860showed up his reply. I repliedto him in helipad. Alright, so184501:59:58,860 --> 02:00:01,290yes, here's the 1000s That's yesthey do.184602:00:02,970 --> 02:00:04,560Dave Jones: You're out ofcontrol now184702:00:06,120 --> 02:00:08,220Adam Curry: I'm sending moneyback send me money I'll send it184802:00:08,220 --> 02:00:08,730back.184902:00:09,329 --> 02:00:11,819Dave Jones: Now you're gonnayou're this is just another way185002:00:11,819 --> 02:00:14,399for you to lose first to sendlots of money to people.185102:00:15,239 --> 02:00:18,449Adam Curry: I love it so muchfun. Franco again185202:00:18,450 --> 02:00:21,420Dave Jones: 15,000 SATs thistime he says Love and SATs185302:00:22,350 --> 02:00:26,490thanks Franco. Oh, and we got awe got comic strip blogger to185402:00:26,490 --> 02:00:30,870deliver an order 34,000 newfountain he says howdy bros,185502:00:30,870 --> 02:00:34,680David Adam. Ah, no agendasocial, a little server that185602:00:34,680 --> 02:00:38,610could until it couldn't sharedmemes, please. That's like185702:00:38,610 --> 02:00:40,860saying you contributed toculture before wedding chain185802:00:40,860 --> 02:00:44,430meals. But hey, thanks for thememories nodes into social185902:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,070you'll be remembered like thatone song everyone skips in their186002:00:47,070 --> 02:00:51,600playlist but never deletes whatnow? fallacy is be just three186102:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,150letters on X formerly known asTwitter for cartoons without186202:00:54,150 --> 02:00:59,340baboons or visit his blog at wwwdot CSV dot lol exclamation186302:00:59,340 --> 02:01:00,570point. Yo CSV186402:01:00,600 --> 02:01:05,340Adam Curry: All right. CSV andwe have a too late booster grams186502:01:05,340 --> 02:01:09,780coming in from Nathan g 2222.Dave came here to build a bridge186602:01:09,780 --> 02:01:13,950and work on phase seven. Andhe's all Outerbridge. Yeah.186702:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,790Dave Jones: And I've never had abridge I've always got more186802:01:17,790 --> 02:01:18,240bridge186902:01:18,330 --> 02:01:21,840Adam Curry: and DS laughs cameat DS last he's my man DS laughs187002:01:21,870 --> 02:01:24,540He's he's in the valley verseValley for value music little187102:01:24,540 --> 02:01:28,350cool little bits of show mixesfor no agenda. 1000 SATs he says187202:01:28,350 --> 02:01:31,380Since leaving my corporate jobsthis is the only board meeting I187302:01:31,380 --> 02:01:35,790can sit through. Much love tothe podcasters. Understandable.187402:01:36,540 --> 02:01:36,690All187502:01:36,690 --> 02:01:40,320Dave Jones: right, Lincoln senta note in his 20,000 says that187602:01:40,320 --> 02:01:44,190he says well regarding questionfor Alex forgot to edit my boost187702:01:44,190 --> 02:01:47,430amount. But I don't see aquestion for Alex anywhere. Do187802:01:47,430 --> 02:01:48,120you? Yeah, I187902:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,930Adam Curry: have it here. Holdon a second. Hold on me scroll188002:01:51,930 --> 02:01:58,200down. Question topic for Alex.to opine on. The use of a188102:01:58,200 --> 02:02:02,760specific boost bot has beencontentious. Boy, Alex get188202:02:02,760 --> 02:02:08,190ready. As it has been. And Iknow we all know Alex. I love188302:02:08,190 --> 02:02:12,240Alex. But I know that he'sright. Get Rudy Alex, the use of188402:02:12,240 --> 02:02:15,420a specific boost bot has beencontentious as it is seen as a188502:02:15,420 --> 02:02:18,990hack and not aligned with opensource and decentralization.188602:02:19,020 --> 02:02:22,260Instead, it will be preferableto share boost messages and188702:02:22,260 --> 02:02:26,070amounts to an open protocol likeactivity pub for transparency,188802:02:26,100 --> 02:02:29,340interoperability andsustainability in the podcasting188902:02:29,370 --> 02:02:31,830ecosystem. Oh, podcasting189002:02:33,780 --> 02:02:37,560Alecks Gates: found on fountainboost. Some comments? Yes, I189102:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,600Adam Curry: think that's whatthe what is meant they could189202:02:39,599 --> 02:02:40,919Alecks Gates: they could publishto the activity problem. They189302:02:40,919 --> 02:02:48,299don't. That's all there is toit. And also, if you189402:02:55,350 --> 02:02:59,460Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that'sanother they can do. So tell me189502:02:59,460 --> 02:03:02,370about what yeah. Tell me aboutthat. Alex, because you're189602:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,710messaging him up at the aboutthat earlier about playlist?189702:03:05,700 --> 02:03:08,640Alecks Gates: Yeah. Typically,we should probably check again.189802:03:08,670 --> 02:03:12,510But my understanding is theydon't make their they don't189902:03:12,510 --> 02:03:15,960publish their playlist as RSSfeeds, which would be really190002:03:15,960 --> 02:03:19,350easy to do. And that would allowthe players to be shared across190102:03:19,350 --> 02:03:19,920to apps.190202:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,380Adam Curry: Well, you know,what's interesting, is we're190302:03:22,380 --> 02:03:27,420seeing both fountain and truefans kind of emerging as190402:03:27,420 --> 02:03:35,250platforms, which I'm, I havethoughts about because, you190502:03:35,250 --> 02:03:41,820know, there's so there's no taketrue fans as the example. Sam190602:03:41,820 --> 02:03:45,660Sethi says, Oh, look, yourpublisher feed is here. And so I190702:03:45,660 --> 02:03:50,130have not published anything. Hehas made a reasonable estimation190802:03:50,160 --> 02:03:54,090of which shows I am thepublisher of and they show up in190902:03:54,090 --> 02:03:59,160their platform, and I can gointo some back end admin and I191002:03:59,160 --> 02:04:04,500can change those. And I thinkthey are exportable or they will191102:04:04,500 --> 02:04:08,010be exportable as an RSS feed.It's just interesting.191202:04:09,780 --> 02:04:14,580Interesting how he is in I thinkhe actually calls him that calls191302:04:14,580 --> 02:04:21,390true fans now a platform. Butthe the playlists what I don't191402:04:21,390 --> 02:04:24,660like about what I've seen in theplaylist on fountain is they are191502:04:25,380 --> 02:04:28,830the getting a split that doesn'treally go through the split191602:04:28,830 --> 02:04:29,430system.191702:04:31,439 --> 02:04:34,019Dave Jones: Oh, it's like aninternal allocation believe so191802:04:34,019 --> 02:04:34,499yeah.191902:04:35,550 --> 02:04:38,250Adam Curry: Which is notcorrect. Really the transparency192002:04:38,250 --> 02:04:42,180that we desire? Because I thinkpodcast I think music playlists192102:04:42,210 --> 02:04:45,270are going to be very big. Wehave a medium and we have a192202:04:45,270 --> 02:04:48,720medium type forum. Is that musicL is that a playlist? Is it192302:04:48,720 --> 02:04:52,980music? L is that what it was?Yep. Yep, music L so publishing192402:04:52,980 --> 02:04:56,520those back would be great. Andthen and then put the split in192502:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,480from the person who created itso they can they can start Uh,192602:05:01,200 --> 02:05:05,280as more apps can ingest this,the artists do better and your192702:05:05,310 --> 02:05:08,550quote unquote customer getsmoney back into their, into192802:05:08,550 --> 02:05:12,000their wallet on fountain. Soyeah, exploitability would be192902:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,180nice. I agree. And we193002:05:15,180 --> 02:05:19,380Alecks Gates: could do it forclips to say yes. So they live193102:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,350clips. They could publish themif they wanted to.193202:05:24,660 --> 02:05:26,520Adam Curry: Well, I think weshould nominate you to their193302:05:26,520 --> 02:05:31,620board. I'm gonna buy some sharesand put you in as an activist193402:05:31,620 --> 02:05:32,220investor.193502:05:32,850 --> 02:05:36,900Alecks Gates: Oh, that I'd haveto like Master so. Wow.193602:05:40,410 --> 02:05:45,270Adam Curry: will take over. Dowe have any? Any one offs?193702:05:45,300 --> 02:05:45,990David?193802:05:46,650 --> 02:05:51,300Dave Jones: Yes and monthly.Definitely do. drips got $15 Big193902:05:51,300 --> 02:05:55,380Bruce Wayne of podcasting. He'sgot Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Thank194002:05:55,380 --> 02:06:00,180you, Michael Jordan. Dunnville$10. Think Jordan. Kevin Bay194102:06:00,180 --> 02:06:06,360$3.43 from the monthly endowmentfund. Yes. James Sullivan. $10.194202:06:06,810 --> 02:06:10,680Christopher Raymer $10 ShawnMcCune $20 Thank you. Shawn194302:06:10,680 --> 02:06:16,470Cohen glotzbach $5. MichaelGagan $5 In Charles current $5194402:06:16,500 --> 02:06:17,070group,194502:06:17,130 --> 02:06:19,140Adam Curry: very good groupthank you all for supporting194602:06:19,410 --> 02:06:23,580podcasting 2.0 The podcast isthe gateway to your support for194702:06:23,580 --> 02:06:27,960the entire project. Everythinggoes towards servers etc David194802:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,840Adam take nothing we will giveaway some liquidity if you need194902:06:30,840 --> 02:06:34,680it, if you need a channel frombecause we definitely want to195002:06:34,680 --> 02:06:39,210support people using other typesof wallets. Just to decentralize195102:06:39,210 --> 02:06:42,810more and more hit me up Adam atpodcasts index.org and195202:06:42,810 --> 02:06:45,660mccurry.com If you needliquidity happy to help you out195302:06:45,660 --> 02:06:47,310people like no I don't knowwhere to get liquidity. This is195402:06:47,310 --> 02:06:50,040what we're here for. It's all onthe node it stays there for that195502:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,950very reason. You can go topodcast index.org down at the195602:06:52,950 --> 02:06:55,710bottom there's two red donatebuttons one for your on for the195702:06:55,710 --> 02:06:58,560massive amounts of unchainedBitcoin people have been wanting195802:06:58,560 --> 02:07:02,430to send us and never do. And theother one is for your Fiat fun195902:07:02,430 --> 02:07:06,240coupons for PayPal, we reallyappreciate all of our196002:07:06,240 --> 02:07:11,880supporters. And appreciate youAlex gates for all that you have196102:07:11,880 --> 02:07:15,150done since pretty much day oneHaven't you been here from day196202:07:15,150 --> 02:07:19,110one? I forgot what When did youcome into our into our orbit?196302:07:19,140 --> 02:07:23,460Alecks Gates: I was a littlelate. I started the episode 2021196402:07:24,300 --> 02:07:28,620Oh, really after after I sort ofknow genitive actually, that's196502:07:28,620 --> 02:07:33,690kind of when I wanted to makethe podcast into an oil fields.196602:07:34,200 --> 02:07:38,430And that's kind of when Istarted with Dave was mostly196702:07:38,430 --> 02:07:40,650about the alternating closureand I fixed it196802:07:43,979 --> 02:07:46,379Adam Curry: Oh, I gotta fix itgotta fix what he's doing.196902:07:47,910 --> 02:07:50,820Dave Jones: I mean, it's mostless mostly how this goes. I197002:07:50,820 --> 02:07:53,760have something than an Alexfixes pretty much the way this197102:07:53,790 --> 02:07:54,870this. We197202:07:54,870 --> 02:07:56,910Adam Curry: appreciate you verymuch brother for all all that197302:07:56,910 --> 02:07:59,850you're doing for for the projectand for podcasting because it197402:07:59,850 --> 02:08:02,400really is you making a hugedifference in the world. A lot197502:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,670of people take it just take it.197602:08:07,170 --> 02:08:09,210Alecks Gates: I just want tobuild the apps I want to use. So197702:08:09,270 --> 02:08:09,960what's all this?197802:08:11,370 --> 02:08:12,540Dave Jones: That's how you getthe best stuff.197902:08:12,570 --> 02:08:15,270Adam Curry: Sure is. BrotherDave, thank you so much.198002:08:15,780 --> 02:08:20,310Appreciate you. And thank youboth for for coming to the board198102:08:20,310 --> 02:08:23,220meeting on Saturday. Thank youeveryone else in the in the198202:08:23,220 --> 02:08:27,390board room for being with us.And we'll have a regular regular198302:08:27,390 --> 02:08:29,910board meeting next Friday. Soplease join us there. Thank you198402:08:29,910 --> 02:08:30,690so much Gent.198502:08:31,349 --> 02:08:34,859Dave Jones: Yep. Thanks, man.Happy happy. This. It's been a198602:08:34,859 --> 02:08:35,399good week.198702:08:35,849 --> 02:08:37,979Adam Curry: It hasn't been ithas been a good week. Everybody.198802:08:37,979 --> 02:08:40,739Congratulations on the progress.It has been a good Yeah,198902:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,690Dave Jones: I think Alex isright. I think it's valid. I199002:08:42,690 --> 02:08:45,960think I think the thing withApple was validating for for199102:08:45,960 --> 02:08:47,070everybody in the project.199202:08:47,640 --> 02:08:51,900Adam Curry: They said they saidthe big boys will never come in.199302:08:51,900 --> 02:08:55,470We showed them didn't wait. Seeyou next week on the board199402:08:55,470 --> 02:08:56,760meeting till then adios.199502:09:13,229 --> 02:09:17,789Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast199602:09:17,789 --> 02:09:24,959index.org For more information,podcasts. Oh my gosh.