Episode 163: Storage Power

100:00:00,599 --> 00:00:05,429Adam Curry: McKesson 2.0 forJanuary 12 2024, episode 163200:00:05,579 --> 00:00:12,269storage power Hello everybody,welcome to podcasting 2.0 The300:00:12,269 --> 00:00:15,989second, the second of the newyear and man is there a lot to400:00:15,989 --> 00:00:19,199talk about because this is theonly boardroom that's open to500:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,829the fediverse everybody canparticipate. I'm Adam curry here600:00:22,829 --> 00:00:25,139in the heart of the Texas HillCountry to ready to talk to you700:00:25,139 --> 00:00:28,739about the namespace podcastindex dot social the org It's800:00:28,769 --> 00:00:32,669all here and in Alabama, the manwho replies to his replies and900:00:32,669 --> 00:00:35,549Miss test replies, say hello tomy friend on the other end the1000:00:35,549 --> 00:00:40,499one and only Mr. De Jones. I1100:00:40,500 --> 00:00:42,420Dave Jones: hope that didn'tcome through to the whole world.1200:00:42,420 --> 00:00:45,330I hope it wasn't aggravatingeverybody. Oh, no, I replied to1300:00:45,330 --> 00:00:46,380this reply. I always1400:00:46,380 --> 00:00:51,210Adam Curry: have to restrainmyself from saying stuff like1500:00:51,210 --> 00:00:57,360received ignores exactly what Iwant to do is I want to give you1600:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,030a QCL report. You know, it'slike a five by five. Oh, man. I1700:01:03,030 --> 00:01:06,870have set up probably the mostcool thing speaking of five by1800:01:06,870 --> 00:01:10,320five. There's this. Yeah, no, I1900:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,280Dave Jones: tried to guess what2000:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160Adam Curry: this okay. I guessgo you'll never maybe is it2100:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,250technology? Yes. Technology.It's big time big time2200:01:17,250 --> 00:01:20,490technology is starting onsomething on the start. No, no,2300:01:20,490 --> 00:01:24,120no, no, the start nine is justThat's my love. My love my start2400:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,360nine that's I have a love affairwith my start nine. Now.2500:01:28,050 --> 00:01:29,610Dave Jones: I don't know. I'mnot gonna get it. So I2600:01:29,610 --> 00:01:31,740Adam Curry: got real productivethis past week because we're2700:01:31,740 --> 00:01:37,710doing a five day fast. Andimmune. You get like we're just2800:01:37,710 --> 00:01:41,340really focused and productive.So I cleaned up the studio, much2900:01:41,340 --> 00:01:43,500to my wife delight. And3000:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,920Dave Jones: Syria. How whatlike, What day are you in of the3100:01:46,920 --> 00:01:47,910five day five?3200:01:47,940 --> 00:01:51,390Adam Curry: So we break dinnertonight. Okay,3300:01:51,390 --> 00:01:54,630Dave Jones: so your your you'rerunning on like 90% ketones3400:01:54,630 --> 00:01:54,990right now.3500:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,740Adam Curry: And, and thisgigawatt coffee cold brew? Well,3600:02:01,740 --> 00:02:08,160yeah. That has been good. So andthen I got really focused, and3700:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,890I've been been feeling for awhile now. It's like, I got to3800:02:10,890 --> 00:02:14,700get my ham radio gear set up.And I was, yeah, I was really3900:02:14,700 --> 00:02:18,240looking for an excuse. And I'vebeen into digital mode for a4000:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,360long time now. Because you canyou can do stuff with just a4100:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,500wire out the window. I mean, theminute you know, computers are4200:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,250just analyzing data in thenoise, right stuff you could4300:02:29,250 --> 00:02:34,440never hear voice. And there'sthis new mode called var a C var4400:02:34,440 --> 00:02:41,670a C. And it's it's like it'salmost like, like having signal,4500:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,330you know, the Apple use signalon the ham radio. And people can4600:02:45,330 --> 00:02:48,930leave you messages and you canrelay from one rig to the other4700:02:48,930 --> 00:02:53,700automatically. And it's justbeen very enjoyable. Now4800:02:53,700 --> 00:02:58,140Dave Jones: is that can you tellme if this? See I haven't. I4900:02:58,140 --> 00:03:04,560haven't been certified hamsince. Oh, gosh. 2004.5000:03:04,590 --> 00:03:07,620Adam Curry: Your expired? Oh,what? No, no, no. Oh, yeah. You5100:03:07,620 --> 00:03:08,520already 24 Yeah, you're5200:03:08,550 --> 00:03:13,530Dave Jones: gonna expire. Yeah.So yeah, I'm expires in the last5300:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,580hour. Like this was back whenpacket was the thing is that?5400:03:17,730 --> 00:03:20,550Yeah. Is that what we're talkingabout? Essentially, here's,5500:03:20,790 --> 00:03:24,510Adam Curry: yeah, yes, we are.But it's because of the since5600:03:24,510 --> 00:03:29,8202004, things have gotten sogood. That the compression5700:03:29,820 --> 00:03:34,230technology is to the point whereI think the throughput they're5800:03:34,230 --> 00:03:42,870getting on these bands now isit's close, like 3000 baud, I5900:03:42,870 --> 00:03:46,920guess? 3k Almost. So you couldeventually do quite a bit with6000:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,410it. Yeah, you can, you know,send a little picture black and6100:03:49,410 --> 00:03:53,580white. I mean, it's, it's notreally recommended. But it's6200:03:53,610 --> 00:03:57,060it's just, it's quite amazing tosee. And you know, and I also6300:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,640have this, I always have thiskind of fatalistic, prepper6400:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,480thing about me, so I feel good.Yeah, feel good to have it, you6500:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,390know, good. And so people havebeen reaching out, it's just6600:04:06,390 --> 00:04:10,950cool the way it you just leaveit on. And then you can act as a6700:04:10,950 --> 00:04:16,710relay for other people. Youknow, it's not so much like, Oh,6800:04:16,710 --> 00:04:19,680I'm, I'm in a hobby here. AndI'm, and I'm looking at6900:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,500everybody chatting with eachother talking about their rig.7000:04:22,950 --> 00:04:25,680You know, you can actually havea have a little calm and you're7100:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,780just typing on the keyboard.Even when you're typing in the7200:04:27,780 --> 00:04:31,170keyboard. You'll see the otherperson will see Adam is typing.7300:04:31,590 --> 00:04:34,290Now, so it is it's pretty so7400:04:34,290 --> 00:04:39,090Dave Jones: like you qualifythat as like presents. Yes, yes.7500:04:39,090 --> 00:04:39,960Present? Yes.7600:04:39,990 --> 00:04:42,510Adam Curry: Good one and youcould you can paying someone7700:04:42,510 --> 00:04:44,640just to make sure they'reonline. I mean, it's just it's7800:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,800cool. It's cool. You should youWell, I mean, you could consider7900:04:50,220 --> 00:04:52,230renewing it's not that hard toget your license8000:04:52,529 --> 00:04:55,799Dave Jones: has started to likethree times I keep running it. I8100:04:55,799 --> 00:04:58,409mean, the thing you got to knowis focus drifts. You know,8200:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,690Adam Curry: I mean, you just yougo get the test. test for this8300:05:00,690 --> 00:05:07,200year, and it has all the answersis multiple choice. The only it8400:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,750just on the test itself, theanswers are out of order. So you8500:05:09,750 --> 00:05:11,640just have to memorize what theanswer is.8600:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,660Dave Jones: It's literally thatsimple only too hard for me.8700:05:16,830 --> 00:05:19,530Adam Curry: You got to know thetrick. It's almost like like8800:05:19,530 --> 00:05:22,080getting a pilot's license. It'sreally a license to learn how to8900:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,260fly. If I'm really honest aboutit. When I got my license, I was9000:05:25,260 --> 00:05:27,780surprised. I'm like, really? Youpassed me on? Wow. Okay.9100:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,109Dave Jones: I feel like the factthat I originally get certified9200:05:31,109 --> 00:05:34,499back when that when Morse codewas a requirement that that9300:05:34,499 --> 00:05:37,499should have grandfathered me infor life. But evidently, I9400:05:37,499 --> 00:05:38,009agree.9500:05:38,010 --> 00:05:40,200Adam Curry: And of course codeis no longer a requirement.9600:05:40,260 --> 00:05:43,680Although I love doing code Ilove I was up to I was probably9700:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,100up to like 12 words a minute atone point. Pretty good. I think9800:05:47,610 --> 00:05:48,930it's completely lapse now.9900:05:49,470 --> 00:05:52,350Dave Jones: I can't rememberwhat are what the minimum was10000:05:52,350 --> 00:05:55,830for the novice class when I didit. What five from it, I think10100:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,460was five words per minute. Yeah,yeah, cuz I think technician10200:05:59,490 --> 00:06:04,320technician was like 10 or 12.technician class because they10300:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,050changed the classes. Likethere's not as many classes now10400:06:07,050 --> 00:06:07,530as there used to be10500:06:07,530 --> 00:06:10,050Adam Curry: the technician isnow the the I think that's the10600:06:10,050 --> 00:06:13,470lowest thing you get general.And then you get extra. Yeah,10700:06:13,500 --> 00:06:16,770extra. Yes. I'm in generalbunny. I never went for the for10800:06:16,770 --> 00:06:18,120the extra. The10900:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,320Dave Jones: guy that I learnedfrom had. He was extra. And he11000:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,420had he had the little doublepaddle.11100:06:24,900 --> 00:06:27,540Adam Curry: Yeah, I have thattoo. Yeah, sure. That Lamby11200:06:27,540 --> 00:06:27,900paddle.11300:06:28,019 --> 00:06:29,069Dave Jones: Yeah, right.11400:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,820Adam Curry: Do you hold? Youhold it in a does? Repeat.11500:06:34,020 --> 00:06:35,610Group. Yeah, that's pretty cool.11600:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,040Dave Jones: It's not it's notthe same thing I could actually11700:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,470send way faster than I couldthen I could11800:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,410Adam Curry: interpret Oh, I gotgood at interpreting because11900:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,170it's like music, you know, youjust start to hear it. You start12000:06:46,170 --> 00:06:49,830to doo doo doo doo doo doo to dothat CQ DX do doo doo doo doo12100:06:49,830 --> 00:06:52,650doo doo doo doo you can just Oh,I know that song. Oh, that's12200:06:52,650 --> 00:06:56,430what it is. That makes you dodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo12300:06:56,430 --> 00:06:59,130that's my name. Wow, it's comingback.12400:07:01,050 --> 00:07:05,760Dave Jones: Is I've lost all ofit. Obviously the the that that12500:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,450was that was pretty fun. I mean,just everybody in because I did12600:07:09,450 --> 00:07:14,550that in high school. That was myhead this class and the first12700:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,810the first semesters is broken latwo halves of the year so the12800:07:19,020 --> 00:07:22,440unit was called this class wascalled consumer electronics.12900:07:22,650 --> 00:07:24,780Adam Curry: Oh beautifulHampshire that class is no13000:07:24,780 --> 00:07:26,130longer given. Oh,13100:07:26,130 --> 00:07:28,710Dave Jones: I'm sure it's goneway gone. In the first half of13200:07:28,710 --> 00:07:33,600the class was first half of theyear was aerospace. And you just13300:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,110went through all aeronautics andthe way that you know flight13400:07:37,110 --> 00:07:40,860works and all this stuff andspace travel and everything and13500:07:40,860 --> 00:07:43,890then the site and rocketry webuilt a model rocket Ah13600:07:43,890 --> 00:07:46,590Adam Curry: yeah, I did that asa kid. I love model rocketry.13700:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,540What did you did you have arocket.13800:07:49,290 --> 00:07:52,080Dave Jones: We didn't have aWorsley but we built one and13900:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,670then watched it on the footballfield and14000:07:54,899 --> 00:07:57,119Adam Curry: hooked up to the carbattery and you put that yeah,14100:07:57,119 --> 00:08:01,079explosive cartridge in therethat solid fuel. And then you14200:08:01,079 --> 00:08:03,419and you and you did a countdownyou hit the button.14300:08:06,089 --> 00:08:08,279Dave Jones: I mean, back whenyou could do things at14400:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,379Adam Curry: school? Oh, yeah.No, now it'd be deemed14500:08:10,379 --> 00:08:13,199dangerous. Oh, we can't do that.You know, someone could get14600:08:13,199 --> 00:08:14,969hurt. We all get14700:08:15,030 --> 00:08:20,100Dave Jones: on doors back then.You remember long dark horse.14800:08:21,780 --> 00:08:23,010Spear your brains and14900:08:23,010 --> 00:08:25,770Adam Curry: everybody had one intheir Shin at some point like oh15000:08:28,860 --> 00:08:37,110man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Anyway. Let's see. Oh, and I was15100:08:37,110 --> 00:08:41,400gonna say, Oh, just off the bat.I want to thank Spurlock. Oh,15200:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,670no, before I forget that kilo,alpha kilo, five alpha, Charlie,15300:08:44,670 --> 00:08:47,640Charlie, if you want to reach meon bar, ac 20 meters, everybody.15400:08:48,270 --> 00:08:51,600So Spurlock upgraded op threeafter listening to the last15500:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,330boardroom that was one of thosedelightful moments where I'm15600:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,220just beaming from ear to ear.15700:08:57,630 --> 00:08:59,640Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, saw this,and I was like, Oh, you're,15800:08:59,670 --> 00:09:00,780you're gonna be all over this.15900:09:00,810 --> 00:09:04,890Adam Curry: I love it. I loveit. And of course, it's just a,16000:09:05,190 --> 00:09:08,430it's a sample data, and I'm sureit'll get better over time. And,16100:09:08,730 --> 00:09:11,790you know, it spurred a veryinteresting conversation about16200:09:11,790 --> 00:09:15,180sending timestamps in the TLVrecords. Um, I love all this16300:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,660stuff. This is good. This isreally the I think you're16400:09:18,660 --> 00:09:22,860upgrading from stuff here, youknow, just by by looking at it.16500:09:23,550 --> 00:09:27,150Dave Jones: Yeah. So it broughtback a conversation about16600:09:27,150 --> 00:09:32,160batching because there's a batchspec. You know, people forget16700:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,240that. Satoshi stream stillaround is still around live and16800:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,170kicking. Yes.16900:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,980Adam Curry: By the way, you guysgee, you should probably balance17000:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,650our channel because I thinkwe're filling up I checked it17100:09:43,650 --> 00:09:46,110the other day. If we can balancethat that'd be great.17200:09:47,610 --> 00:09:50,850Dave Jones: And I haven'ttrouble before I forget image17300:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,240and has so much trouble with mychannel for my Umbral to podcast17400:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,440index. Yeah, node. I'm stillhaving problems and what's funny17500:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,270is my channel to the boost. ByeIt is seems seems fine, but it's17600:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,800over Tor but my channel Maclearniche channel. Oh really podcast17700:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,250indexes. It just says last lineall the time it's going17800:10:11,250 --> 00:10:11,970Adam Curry: on at huh?17900:10:12,690 --> 00:10:14,700Dave Jones: It's just, it's overIP.18000:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,120Adam Curry: Well I saw the startnine I've had and that is not18100:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,200clear net that's Tor that's beenrock solid from day one. The18200:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,170Umbral, I had all kinds ofproblems and I was running it18300:10:25,170 --> 00:10:30,240over Tor, all kinds of problemsand until I am this is the only18400:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,840data point I have until Iupgraded until my connection18500:10:33,840 --> 00:10:42,540here went from spectrum cable tothe fiber five gigabit fiber.18600:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,660Once that happened, all thoseproblems went away on my own18700:10:45,660 --> 00:10:51,660bro. I've got to I'm thinking ithas been clear net shouldn't18800:10:51,660 --> 00:10:55,110have that problem at all. Thatsurprised? Yeah, fiber,18900:10:55,140 --> 00:10:58,740Dave Jones: um, fiber, andbasically Ethernet out of the19000:10:58,740 --> 00:11:04,350Umbral straight into the fiber.I don't know I'm, I'm, I'm19100:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,180afraid I'm just gonna have torebuild this thing.19200:11:06,779 --> 00:11:09,719Adam Curry: But aren't youbuilding a start nine? Well,19300:11:09,749 --> 00:11:10,139that's what19400:11:10,140 --> 00:11:12,240Dave Jones: I mean to build itas a start nine. Yeah, this19500:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,960Yeah, it just had this machine,just take the node off of my19600:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,740rig. You'll19700:11:16,740 --> 00:11:19,800Adam Curry: be so you'll be sohappy if you put it on a start19800:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,580nine. I mean, I'm, I mean,everyone's Results may vary due19900:11:23,580 --> 00:11:27,060to road and weather conditions.But man, it's been rock solid20000:11:27,060 --> 00:11:32,100from day one. You know, everyupgrade has gone well knock on20100:11:32,100 --> 00:11:36,690wood. But it's just it's beenit's been. I mean, they don't20200:11:36,930 --> 00:11:40,050upgrade the apps as quickly oror release new apps, in fact, is20300:11:40,050 --> 00:11:43,410very slow. And I know they'reworking on release four, which20400:11:43,410 --> 00:11:46,920will actually add clear net theyhave some some way of doing this20500:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,560that will not involve a thirdparty like what's the what's the20600:11:52,560 --> 00:11:53,370thing we use?20700:11:56,250 --> 00:11:57,930Dave Jones: hotelschool tailscale.20800:11:57,930 --> 00:12:00,450Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think sohumble just released cloud. You20900:12:00,450 --> 00:12:04,050can use your Cloud Flare proxyor something. They just released21000:12:04,050 --> 00:12:10,560an app for that. So but cloudnines hold the whole idea is no21100:12:10,590 --> 00:12:12,900third parties, you should beable to do everything they21200:12:12,900 --> 00:12:15,960didn't want you to use. Let'sEncrypt me like you should be21300:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,730your own authority.21400:12:18,060 --> 00:12:22,770Dave Jones: You're your own.signer. Yeah, exactly. Why SSL21500:12:22,770 --> 00:12:23,610certificate? Yes.21600:12:24,150 --> 00:12:26,460Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay. Yeah,they show you how to do it, you21700:12:26,460 --> 00:12:29,460know, how to how to how to makehow to authenticate your own21800:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,630sign off. Yeah.21900:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,290Dave Jones: Obviously PKI thewhole PKI infrastructure with22000:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,200the with delegated SigningAuthorities and that kind of22100:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,860thing in SSL. I mean, in TLSworld, that's all a bunch of22200:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,630it's all a bunch of hogwash.Anyway, like, you know, you22300:12:45,630 --> 00:12:49,830can't You're always dependent onsomebody else to vote to, like22400:12:49,830 --> 00:12:54,330vouch for you. Yeah. Oh, my sisweird paid buddy system is22500:12:54,750 --> 00:12:58,230Adam Curry: my thinking is thatbasically, Google can just spy22600:12:58,230 --> 00:13:02,610on all of us. Oh, yeah. Forsure. That's what I've always22700:13:02,610 --> 00:13:05,070thought and, you know, you know,me, I've always been against22800:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,990HTTPS for things that don't needit. And yeah, and we just got we22900:13:09,990 --> 00:13:13,440got bullied into it. You know,people like, man, it could be23000:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,720man in the middle. Oh, great.Okay, so someone's going to23100:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,080change the words on my blog.Alright, go ahead. I'm sure23200:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,130that's just fine.23300:13:21,330 --> 00:13:25,050Dave Jones: Right. And, but inand then internal localhost23400:13:25,050 --> 00:13:28,290stuff and local and load yourlocal land. It's like, I don't23500:13:28,320 --> 00:13:28,890care.23600:13:28,890 --> 00:13:29,850Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.23700:13:31,980 --> 00:13:35,130Dave Jones: So I'm looking atour I'm looking at our stats23800:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,110thing, this thing that Spurlock23900:13:37,620 --> 00:13:39,660Adam Curry: for our show. Yeah,yeah.24000:13:40,980 --> 00:13:42,780Dave Jones: And this brings up Ishould probably24100:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,790Adam Curry: explain what he didhere for people who don't know24200:13:44,790 --> 00:13:49,950Yeah, go for Opie three dot Dev.Everybody can add the prefix so24300:13:49,950 --> 00:13:52,500that you get stats from Opiethree dot Deb's beautiful24400:13:52,500 --> 00:13:56,550project. And we were talking onthe last show about adding to24500:13:56,550 --> 00:14:02,340that the ability to get thepermanent stream payments from24600:14:02,340 --> 00:14:05,910podcasting 2.0 value for valuestreaming payments, add that24700:14:05,910 --> 00:14:08,790data in there, so you can getkind of because I've been using24800:14:08,790 --> 00:14:13,350it on a contracts dot app. And Ifind it very enjoyable to do an24900:14:13,350 --> 00:14:17,040analysis of of the show how longeven though it's, of course, a25000:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,730small portion of all thelisteners, it's it's helped me a25100:14:20,730 --> 00:14:23,400lot in determining where we docertain things and how people25200:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,790respond to certain things. Andso he's now incorporated that25300:14:27,030 --> 00:14:31,560into the Opie three statsdashboard, and actually gives25400:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,360you a little analysis. I thoughtWhat did say that was like 60%25500:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,630of the listeners listened to 90%of our show. Was that something25600:14:39,630 --> 00:14:40,470like that? I think?25700:14:40,830 --> 00:14:43,410Dave Jones: Yeah, so this iswhat I'm looking at. It says 75%25800:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,940of listeners listened to atleast 25% of an episode 60% of25900:14:47,940 --> 00:14:51,360listeners listened to at leasthalf and 40% of listeners26000:14:51,360 --> 00:14:57,360listened to at least 90% 40Yeah, yeah. Which which tells me26100:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,140like26200:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,970Adam Curry: tells me at somepeople need to be kicked off the26300:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,360board.26400:15:03,030 --> 00:15:05,100Dave Jones: People if you can'tshow up to the board meeting and26500:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,960Adam Curry: you can't stay thewhole ship the whole board26600:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,330meeting, then you shouldn't showup at all. Yeah,26700:15:09,330 --> 00:15:12,000Dave Jones: it's like that one,you know, on any board. It's26800:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,790like that one or two guys thatalways are like, Hey, I'm gonna26900:15:14,790 --> 00:15:15,960be on the road. Can I call?27000:15:16,140 --> 00:15:20,970Adam Curry: I'm gonna call itexactly. In and then you know,27100:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,780and then those guys alwayssomehow get off mute. And then27200:15:24,780 --> 00:15:27,090everyone's spending their timelike, hey, you know, mute to27300:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,310mute. can you mute? You27400:15:29,310 --> 00:15:33,180Dave Jones: hear their radio andall this stuff? Yes. Road noise.27500:15:34,110 --> 00:15:40,830Yeah, hot mic. So this, but thisis back. So I listened to a27600:15:40,830 --> 00:15:44,460little bit of pod news weeklyreview. Morning.27700:15:44,490 --> 00:15:46,710Adam Curry: I didn't get any ofit this morning. I was I was27800:15:46,740 --> 00:15:49,170okay. In the word in the wordthis morning.27900:15:50,730 --> 00:15:56,340Dave Jones: The so they were Samasks this simple question that28000:15:56,340 --> 00:16:02,400we've pondered on this show. Dopeople actually want real stats?28100:16:02,610 --> 00:16:04,290Real podcasts? Tesla? No.28200:16:04,530 --> 00:16:07,380Adam Curry: I don't think so.No, of course not. that would28300:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,510that would it would it woulddevastate people?28400:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720Dave Jones: Yeah. And this iswhy because this show this this28500:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,910on this? These? Now? These arepeople? Who are these are the28600:16:17,910 --> 00:16:22,380most dedicated people? I was Oh,yeah. Yeah. Because these are28700:16:22,380 --> 00:16:27,300people streaming sets to ourshow. I mean, like, sending28800:16:27,300 --> 00:16:32,130value. Yes, there's thisintentional. They're the people28900:16:32,130 --> 00:16:34,800who are going to they're theearly adopters. They're the29000:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,050geeks. They're the most techy,and they even they, in that29100:16:40,050 --> 00:16:44,580audience, only 40% of thosepeople listen to the whole show.29200:16:44,610 --> 00:16:48,780Yeah. So like, if you're ifyou're a normal podcaster and29300:16:48,780 --> 00:16:52,770you and you start looking atactual listening statistics, is29400:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,890you're just gonna get sad. Well,just gonna be sad. Unless29500:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,140Adam Curry: you're unless you'vebeen doing it for a long time29600:16:58,140 --> 00:17:00,480like me and you know, thereality of things, you'd be29700:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,930really fooling yourself intothinking that people listen to29800:17:03,930 --> 00:17:10,680the to the whole show. It I findit very helpful, because I like29900:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,080to look at not so much becausethere's always a drop off,30000:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,990there's always going to be aslope down to the bottom at the30100:17:15,990 --> 00:17:21,780end of every podcast. I likeseeing people come back for30200:17:21,780 --> 00:17:25,290donation segments. And thattells me that people who30300:17:25,290 --> 00:17:29,130probably donated want to hearit. But it also tells you that30400:17:29,130 --> 00:17:34,800not everybody hears the askwhich is important. No agenda,30500:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,800we have the end of show mixesand the people come back for30600:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,250that. And so you can see it andpeople are bopping around people30700:17:41,250 --> 00:17:46,470use chapters, you know, to skipa segment. I would love to see30800:17:46,470 --> 00:17:50,430pod news of the daily pod news.I bet you people listen to all30900:17:50,430 --> 00:17:54,330of pod news. It'll slope forsure. But I'll bet you the31000:17:54,330 --> 00:17:56,430people that because what, three,four minutes, I bet you they31100:17:56,430 --> 00:18:00,420listen all the way through. Justthinking yeah, although once31200:18:00,420 --> 00:18:03,900that, once that end, musicstarts to tune, which is the31300:18:03,900 --> 00:18:07,950sponsor. This is brought to youby Hindenburg. I'm like okay,31400:18:07,950 --> 00:18:12,660click. Now now, I haveHindenburg. I'm no longer a31500:18:12,660 --> 00:18:14,310potential client. I haveHindenburg.31600:18:14,730 --> 00:18:18,660Dave Jones: Now, I am glad thatyou on that front. I'm glad that31700:18:18,660 --> 00:18:25,410you shamed me into upping my perminute stream to pot news weekly31800:18:25,410 --> 00:18:30,660review because the DNC now Ifound myself bopping around in31900:18:30,660 --> 00:18:35,850that show like I'm not, I'm justnot interested enough in in the32000:18:35,850 --> 00:18:40,350podcast industrial complexcomplex to listen to like a 3032100:18:40,350 --> 00:18:45,240minute interview with, you know,some media buyer. So I will just32200:18:45,270 --> 00:18:48,090I will literally just get thatinterview here. And I feel bad32300:18:48,090 --> 00:18:50,190because I'm like, I don't youknow, I don't even32400:18:50,190 --> 00:18:52,350Adam Curry: send a boost sendthe boost later if you feel but32500:18:52,380 --> 00:18:55,260here's something interestingthat I noticed. I did a boosted32600:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,620Graham ball last Saturday wasgood to do what I love I love32700:18:58,620 --> 00:19:03,180doing that so much. It's justmean my schedule is just so full32800:19:03,180 --> 00:19:07,590with things. And I don't want tojust do a show I want to think32900:19:07,590 --> 00:19:10,800about I want to you know listento other value for value music,33000:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,650podcasts, listen to other peopleare talking about and other33100:19:13,650 --> 00:19:17,160songs. You know, I really Ireally care about this. It is33200:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,340the eighth eighth highlight ofthe week for me if I get to do33300:19:20,340 --> 00:19:24,510it on a weekly basis. And sothis guy that I met in Houston33400:19:24,540 --> 00:19:28,200at a podcast conference, Alan C.Paul, he donated we talked about33500:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,250him in fact, we played a littlebit of his music right on did we33600:19:32,250 --> 00:19:36,180play a little bit of his music?Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. And I33700:19:36,270 --> 00:19:40,530did I put that into a value timesplit. Let me just check for a33800:19:40,530 --> 00:19:45,930second. A horrible feeling. Ididn't let me see. I didn't but33900:19:45,930 --> 00:19:48,810I played him on boosted Grahamball. I played the whole thing.34000:19:48,810 --> 00:19:54,600It's six minutes long. And so Ilook at the podcasting 2.0 Top34100:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,000today it's the top 95 And we'redropping and and all week long.34200:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,170On his song Not far away hasbeen at the top. And then I34300:20:04,170 --> 00:20:10,650realized, the way we compilethis chart is based upon payment34400:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,480events, booster grams andstreams. Well, of course, he's34500:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,840going to get twice as many ifpeople listen to the whole song,34600:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,270then Jimmy V, who's right underhim at number two, who song is34700:20:24,270 --> 00:20:28,740three minutes and 20 secondslong. Right? So I'm just saying34800:20:28,740 --> 00:20:32,070there's a skew there that wemight want to wait for, as in34900:20:32,070 --> 00:20:40,590WEHG, gh t. Does that makesense? Because not, the longer35000:20:40,710 --> 00:20:44,970the longer your song, the moreminutes streaming payments per35100:20:44,970 --> 00:20:46,230minute, you're going to get up?35200:20:46,530 --> 00:20:50,250Dave Jones: Oh, so you're to myear to my song length? Yes. Song35300:20:50,250 --> 00:20:54,240Adam Curry: length. Exactly.Well, interesting.35400:20:55,140 --> 00:20:56,730Dave Jones: It's just how wouldI get that?35500:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,400Adam Curry: I don't know how. Idon't know that. That's I mean,35600:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,200hey, I'm just the idea. Oh,35700:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,720Dave Jones: yeah. Everybodyhates the idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah.35800:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,040So okay, well, that's thatshouldn't actually shouldn't be35900:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,010too hard. Because then if youlook, yeah, the value time36000:21:14,010 --> 00:21:16,470split, you just look at thestart time in the in the36100:21:16,470 --> 00:21:19,830duration in or not even startout, you should look at the36200:21:19,830 --> 00:21:22,500duration of the value times buthow long it lasts, and this sort36300:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,380of like, divide it to get anaverage,36400:21:25,410 --> 00:21:29,130Adam Curry: maybe, maybe that'sthe way to do it. Just like36500:21:29,130 --> 00:21:32,760that, it just seems like I justI was I was like, wow, people.36600:21:32,790 --> 00:21:35,790It's a great song. Don't get mewrong. I mean it question36700:21:35,790 --> 00:21:38,670Dave Jones: number two is willDave ever do this? No, of course36800:21:38,670 --> 00:21:38,910not.36900:21:38,940 --> 00:21:41,190Adam Curry: Of course not. Whyeven bother with question number37000:21:41,190 --> 00:21:43,890two, but just move straight tothree, which is C one. Okay,37100:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,250maybe37200:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,450Dave Jones: we will know whatwe'll do. We'll talk about this37300:21:48,450 --> 00:21:52,05017 shows from now not remember,we talked about it. Before37400:21:52,050 --> 00:21:54,300Adam Curry: we bring our guestsin, I'd love to get a little37500:21:54,300 --> 00:21:58,140update on your favorite vacationstatus of the index. And I'll37600:21:58,140 --> 00:22:03,870preface that by saying that I'vehad incredible difficulty.37700:22:05,010 --> 00:22:07,440Dave Jones: I want to thank youdon't like to hear this. This is37800:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,310not I'm just37900:22:08,310 --> 00:22:11,550Adam Curry: doing it wrong, nodoubt. So what I started doing38000:22:11,550 --> 00:22:14,340the minute you had this in placebefore it was was still the38100:22:14,340 --> 00:22:19,230alpha alpha code, of course, Iwould go to podcast index dot38200:22:19,230 --> 00:22:23,520social. When I'd publish, Ialways put I always go back, I38300:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080publish. And then I put the baseURL in the base posts for cross38400:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,730snap comments, even though it'sbarely used, I still I'm holding38500:22:32,730 --> 00:22:39,090on to it. And then I would clickon that post, and then copy the38600:22:39,090 --> 00:22:43,860link and put it in as the rootposts of the crossover app38700:22:43,860 --> 00:22:47,520comments. And I'm sure I'm doingsomething wrong, because either38800:22:47,550 --> 00:22:50,580people would click a was not alink for some reason on some,38900:22:50,790 --> 00:22:54,270when I posted that, it justwouldn't work. I mean, even that39000:22:54,270 --> 00:22:57,630link itself, it's not a directlink to that post unless you're39100:22:57,630 --> 00:23:04,920logged into I guess a mastodonserver is very confusing. I just39200:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,310wanted that to be the route postthat I can also send people to39300:23:08,550 --> 00:23:12,540and say, Oh, here's the here's,here's the show. You can you can39400:23:12,540 --> 00:23:18,540use that link on any activityprobe the application to comment39500:23:18,540 --> 00:23:23,160on it, but that link is, is notgood. Does this make sense? What39600:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,730I'm saying?39700:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,890Dave Jones: It does. So herethere's just like, so you're39800:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,230what you have always done if I'mnot mistaken is that you have39900:23:34,230 --> 00:23:39,240taken your posts if you've takenmy post, yeah, because that40000:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,200exists before the show waspublished. Yeah. In the feed. So40100:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,530you need you need like otherwiseyou'd have to you'd have to40200:23:46,530 --> 00:23:48,300publish this show then go backand change it40300:23:48,330 --> 00:23:51,000Adam Curry: which I do for noagenda and all my other shows.40400:23:51,570 --> 00:23:55,140Oh, you do? Yeah, I put I put itin his empty and the minute it's40500:23:55,140 --> 00:23:59,070empty then. Or sometimes I justpost the link on Mastodon I40600:23:59,070 --> 00:24:01,650mean, I do that with chaptersalthough I put in a dummy40700:24:01,650 --> 00:24:09,870chapter and, and transcript. SoI go back and then it's not been40800:24:09,870 --> 00:24:12,750a problem. No one's evercomplained about it. But the40900:24:12,750 --> 00:24:18,630link I got was podcast index dotsocial slash at 9200666 at a P41000:24:18,630 --> 00:24:26,040dot podcastindex.org/ 11166566598800577 And41100:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,320that did not work that's what Ithought it will not it didn't41200:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,930work. So not sure what link Ishould be using and I've tried41300:24:33,930 --> 00:24:38,190just doing you know, theremoving the podcast app, just41400:24:38,190 --> 00:24:41,400none of it worked. I I wound upjust making it worse41500:24:43,230 --> 00:24:48,150Dave Jones: as a plugin, isn'tit. So So for example, get the41600:24:48,150 --> 00:24:50,760feet trying to look at the feedto see what the URL for the last41700:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,660one was because this is the lastone it doesn't go ahead. It41800:24:54,660 --> 00:24:58,620doesn't make any sense to me,because it should work. So if41900:24:58,620 --> 00:25:05,130you before or the way that thesee the way that the way that I42000:25:05,130 --> 00:25:05,700thought it42100:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,830Adam Curry: was? That seems towork now42200:25:09,540 --> 00:25:13,200Dave Jones: doesn't Oh, how areyou verifying this? I42300:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,750Adam Curry: just copied andpasted the link into my browser.42400:25:16,350 --> 00:25:19,500But I wonder him because butit's a podcast index dot social42500:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,020link I don't know if you can seethose if you're not logged in42600:25:24,150 --> 00:25:26,550Dave Jones: what I mean those,that's what I posted. That's42700:25:26,550 --> 00:25:29,220what I've posted before and thisalways worked. It's just a42800:25:29,220 --> 00:25:34,290podcast index. Well, okay, sohere's the what may be happening42900:25:34,290 --> 00:25:43,500here is I've been working onreplies all week. Okay, we43000:25:43,500 --> 00:25:49,830noticed and thank you. I've beenworking on replies all week. And43100:25:50,730 --> 00:25:57,720there was no reply capabilitywithin the bridge before. And43200:25:58,170 --> 00:26:01,860well, I mean, there really stillisn't. So the I mean, the43300:26:01,860 --> 00:26:07,470endpoints just didn't function.The way replies work bite size.43400:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,540Adam Curry: Let me give you adata point stop. I'm sorry to43500:26:09,540 --> 00:26:13,110stop you. All right. I loggedout of podcasting. Next out43600:26:13,110 --> 00:26:17,340social. And then I posted thatlink. And then I got what43700:26:17,340 --> 00:26:21,330everybody got, which was a pageof JSON.43800:26:23,700 --> 00:26:25,800Dave Jones: Okay, so let me trythat. And43900:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560Adam Curry: I believe that isbecause if you're not logged44000:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,440into a mastodon server, that'swhat you get.44100:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,670Dave Jones: Okay, so let me logout of podcasts index dot44200:26:35,670 --> 00:26:41,220social, because I'm gonna haveto do the logout. Alright, now44300:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,950let me paste in. And we'retalking about the podcasting,44400:26:43,950 --> 00:26:47,790desktop social at nine to 666.Add blah, blah, blah. And the44500:26:47,790 --> 00:26:52,140number. Yeah, okay. I hit that.Yeah. Okay.44600:26:53,130 --> 00:26:55,890Adam Curry: Which is probablycorrect. It's probably correct.44700:26:56,610 --> 00:26:57,240I'm saying yes.44800:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,490Dave Jones: Okay. Well, here'swhat, here's what's happening.44900:26:59,490 --> 00:27:02,850Yes. Okay, this, this will besolved when I get the required.45000:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,650Adam Curry: I needed to hearmaybe we don't even have to talk45100:27:07,650 --> 00:27:08,070about it.45200:27:09,780 --> 00:27:14,190Dave Jones: This is so just forclarity. What's happening here45300:27:14,190 --> 00:27:20,070is that when you're not loggedin, Mastodon appears to forward45400:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,680you to the referenced45500:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,820Adam Curry: Yes. Referenced postseeing that. Yep. And45600:27:26,820 --> 00:27:29,790Dave Jones: then you can seethere's replies at the bottom is45700:27:29,790 --> 00:27:35,220no. Right. Okay. It's and that'swhy that's why it's not work.45800:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,610Can I45900:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,800Adam Curry: ask you one otherquestion? Just while I'm, while46000:27:37,800 --> 00:27:44,040I'm at it. Yeah. For the for thecross that comments, I have to46100:27:44,550 --> 00:27:50,340add parameters, platform, andPlatform account ID and then46200:27:50,370 --> 00:27:54,630account URL for this platform.Do I doesn't matter what I put46300:27:54,630 --> 00:27:55,140in there?46400:27:57,090 --> 00:28:02,160Dave Jones: I'm not sure that itmatters at this point. Okay. I46500:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,330mean, it would you want it to beaccurate, but I don't know that.46600:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,200But what do I want it46700:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,820Adam Curry: to be? Well, rightnow I have Dave and then your,46800:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,680your account your URL, slashuser slash Dave. Yeah,46900:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,900Dave Jones: obviously, that'snot that's not actually true in47000:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,570this regard. Because, um,exactly, it's not my account47100:28:21,570 --> 00:28:24,270that posted this, this thingthat you're referencing,47200:28:24,300 --> 00:28:29,760exactly. It's the account is9200666 at AP dot podcast.47300:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,210index.org. That's got it. That'sthe account.47400:28:33,750 --> 00:28:35,460Adam Curry: Got it. Got it. Gotit. Okay.47500:28:35,970 --> 00:28:39,120Dave Jones: But just so whatI've been doing this week is47600:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,260trying to get a reply. Like Idon't want this thing to become47700:28:43,260 --> 00:28:47,970a general purpose AP serveragreed. Right? You know, that's47800:28:47,970 --> 00:28:53,370not in any that's not in any wayvaluable to us. This this but47900:28:53,370 --> 00:28:58,830you do need it to track replies.To the extent that it can handle48000:28:58,830 --> 00:29:02,700them back in a case like this.So that when people reply to48100:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,850things you can see the replieswhen you pull when you when you48200:29:05,850 --> 00:29:11,910go to the episode. And so a lotof this week I've been trying48300:29:11,940 --> 00:29:16,260I've just been posting stuff andwatching things, watching the48400:29:16,260 --> 00:29:22,530JSON that comes through on thebridge when replies get post get48500:29:22,530 --> 00:29:26,520posted. So there's there'smultiple so like this, think48600:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,070think through the scenario withme for a second. You have you48700:29:32,070 --> 00:29:37,980have a new episode gets posted.The bridge then posts it to48800:29:38,610 --> 00:29:45,240followers, servers, it shows upin their timeline, then somebody48900:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,260replies, right. Okay, that replyon their activity pub server,49000:29:52,830 --> 00:29:59,130then triggers a Create Event tothe shared inbox URL of the49100:29:59,130 --> 00:30:04,020bridge. All right, so you have aCreate Event that gets posted.49200:30:04,020 --> 00:30:08,130And attached to that createevent is an object, which is49300:30:08,130 --> 00:30:12,630just a big blob of JSON with allthe details of the post. And the49400:30:12,630 --> 00:30:18,780object is of type note. So it'sa creates a note object, and49500:30:18,780 --> 00:30:23,880sends that to the shared URL ofthe AP bridge. The AP, so the49600:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,390first, the first reply is, isalways going to be to the root49700:30:30,390 --> 00:30:34,170post, essentially, to that EP tothat episode, right? On the49800:30:34,170 --> 00:30:39,570bridge, that then gives yousomething that's attached to49900:30:39,570 --> 00:30:48,540that called a, a conversationtag. So then, the here in this,50000:30:48,570 --> 00:30:51,600I'm telling you what I've sortof settled on because, because50100:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,790here's, here's the nextscenario, you reply. Then I50200:30:56,790 --> 00:31:02,700reply to your reply, not to theoriginal post. Corral, you say50300:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,850something, then I'm replying toyou. Right. And it's really part50400:31:05,850 --> 00:31:08,760of the same thread. But but then50500:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,740Adam Curry: we move it over tothe other person's Mastodon50600:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,020instance. Yeah, right.50700:31:16,590 --> 00:31:18,480Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. So like,if you're Yeah, if you're on50800:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,880your on your on your instance,I'm on my instance, we both get50900:31:23,910 --> 00:31:29,070a copy of the note that wascreated when the bridge sent out51000:31:29,070 --> 00:31:36,930the episode. You reply to, tothat episode, on your activity51100:31:36,930 --> 00:31:42,210post server, my caught my serverand the bridge both get a Create51200:31:42,210 --> 00:31:49,680Event. And we record that reply.Right, then I see that on my51300:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,450server, I see your reply show upunderneath the episode post. And51400:31:54,450 --> 00:31:59,220then I reply, not to the episodepost, but to your reply. Now,51500:31:59,310 --> 00:32:03,630that create event with the noteobject attached goes to the51600:32:03,630 --> 00:32:09,420bridge and to your the sharedinbox of your server. But now it51700:32:09,420 --> 00:32:18,390no longer has a it no longer hasa a reference to the original51800:32:18,390 --> 00:32:24,180post, where I can extract thepodcast ID and the episode Gu ID51900:32:24,180 --> 00:32:29,250from it. So I can't associate itdirectly back to that post. So52000:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,870the best we can do is look forthis conversation property.52100:32:33,900 --> 00:32:34,860Right that52200:32:34,860 --> 00:32:37,350Adam Curry: Yes. Okay, thatmakes sense why I wasn't seeing52300:32:37,350 --> 00:32:39,570all the comments before. Right.52400:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,320Dave Jones: So the conversationproperty is like this long52500:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840string, like in this regard, andlike what I'm looking at right52600:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,240now is like tag, colon, AP dotpodcast, index.org, comma, the52700:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,410date, object ID, blah, blah,blah, objects, it's got this52800:32:55,410 --> 00:33:00,780long string. And that should beunique for this entire message52900:33:00,780 --> 00:33:06,810thread. So what what I'm doingnow is, is the first post that53000:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,200comes back in the first replythat comes back and I'm53100:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,590extracting the podcast ID andthe episode Gu ID sticking that53200:33:16,620 --> 00:33:23,130in the replies table with theconversation tag string attached53300:33:23,130 --> 00:33:27,330to it. When another reply comesin, if it doesn't have an53400:33:27,330 --> 00:33:32,310extractable podcast, index IDand episode GUID, extract the53500:33:32,310 --> 00:33:36,540conversation tag out of thatcreate request and look for53600:33:36,540 --> 00:33:40,770another reply in the table thathas that same conversation tag.53700:33:41,610 --> 00:33:46,170If a finds one, it thenassociates it back to that53800:33:46,170 --> 00:33:51,390thread. So that now then that sothat's all done. So now the next53900:33:51,390 --> 00:33:56,580step of this is the part I'mabout to start today. Tonight,54000:33:57,210 --> 00:34:03,060we'll be now returned nowcollecting those replies and54100:34:03,060 --> 00:34:06,600returning them in the repliesproperty that you see is now54200:34:06,600 --> 00:34:12,360null. So step two will be apopulating that reply property54300:34:12,390 --> 00:34:17,160of, of the of the post objectwith all the replies that is54400:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,850collected.54500:34:18,329 --> 00:34:20,909Adam Curry: Dave, you had me atbig blob of JSON?54600:34:24,749 --> 00:34:27,959Dave Jones: It will, there is somuch JSON going on with the54700:34:27,959 --> 00:34:31,049negativity but it just makesyour eyes cross. Like it really54800:34:31,049 --> 00:34:34,529does. All those replies andreplies to replies and replies54900:34:34,529 --> 00:34:38,519to replies to replies thatthat's really like, what I'm55000:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,429doing. Every time I do that istake that take the JSON out,55100:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,509stick it in a sticking into aneditor, and then do another one,55200:34:45,509 --> 00:34:48,029stick it in an editor and thenjust start making comparisons55300:34:48,029 --> 00:34:51,479between how are these thingsdifferent wow. Oh, it just makes55400:34:51,479 --> 00:34:53,219it it'll make your head spin.Well, it's55500:34:53,220 --> 00:34:56,010Adam Curry: appreciated brotheryou're doing. You're doing the55600:34:56,010 --> 00:35:00,180Lord's work here. That's a lotof messy stuff, shall we? Bring55700:35:00,180 --> 00:35:05,010our guests in. Oh, he's Sureabsolutely. New to the to the55800:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,950boardroom. We're very happy tohave him here. Particularly55900:35:07,950 --> 00:35:13,800because He has created a, I'lljust say a podcasting 2.0 native56000:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,550hosting company. He is thefounder, CEO, lead developer and56100:35:17,550 --> 00:35:21,870Customer Success representativeof pod home.fm. Say hello to our56200:35:21,870 --> 00:35:26,250friend on the other end. Here'sBarry live brass.56300:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,990Unknown: Hey, hello. Excellentpronunciation. Yes,56400:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,720Adam Curry: but do you go byBarry or buddy?56500:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,630Unknown: That bear? Well, buddyin Dutch. You know? It's easy56600:35:39,630 --> 00:35:41,700because it works in bothlanguages, right? Yeah,56700:35:41,730 --> 00:35:44,490Adam Curry: it's so it's uncannyhow much you sound like Mark56800:35:44,490 --> 00:35:48,810void zero. Oops. That he just Ithink I think let me see if I56900:35:48,810 --> 00:35:52,350can restore him. Sorry aboutsorry about that. Barry. Oh,57000:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,480that was my mistake. I messedthat up.57100:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,790Dave Jones: I was gonna say I'msorry. I just can't I have no57200:35:56,790 --> 00:35:58,170hope of pronouncing your lastname.57300:35:58,230 --> 00:36:00,210Unknown: I mean, it's just It'sfine. Don't try.57400:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,300Adam Curry: What's interestingis, you know, void Do you know57500:36:03,330 --> 00:36:06,480you know, void zero? Do youavoid zero mark? Who does a the57600:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,600no agenda infrastructure? No,57700:36:09,630 --> 00:36:11,400Unknown: I have no idea. Youshould57800:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,590Adam Curry: meet him because yousound like brothers. It's57900:36:13,620 --> 00:36:17,760uncanny how much you sound likeit really is. Yeah. So you're in58000:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,190the in the Netherlands. Whereare you in the Netherlands?58100:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,800Unknown: I'm in Breda. Sothat's, that's in the south of58200:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,230the Netherlands. Yeah, doesn'tmatter. It's cold cold here.58300:36:25,230 --> 00:36:25,710Everywhere.58400:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,460Adam Curry: is purple. is PurpleRain still there. Purple Rain.58500:36:29,970 --> 00:36:31,410When you talk there was a coffeeshop.58600:36:32,159 --> 00:36:33,719Unknown: Oh, right. Yes, thatis.58700:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,160Adam Curry: You see my coffeeshop man. When I was in Belgium.58800:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,100I drive up to Purple Rain andstock up.58900:36:42,449 --> 00:36:45,209Dave Jones: Yeah. rural area oris this city or59000:36:45,510 --> 00:36:47,940Adam Curry: city? No, it's justa big city. Yeah. It's a real59100:36:47,940 --> 00:36:50,670nice actually a beautiful city.It is.59200:36:50,670 --> 00:36:52,770Unknown: Yeah. And you know,coffee shops here are59300:36:52,830 --> 00:36:56,100everywhere. So it's, it's notrare. Not special at all.59400:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,440Adam Curry: Right? I just I justlove going there because it was59500:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,350run by a bunch of Moroccandudes. And whenever it was59600:37:01,350 --> 00:37:07,560Songkran, then I'd come late inthe day. And I'd start up and59700:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,510like, hey, why don't you staybecause they'd have the you59800:37:09,510 --> 00:37:12,600know, after sundown than theyhave. Then all these dudes start59900:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,380cooking, which is amazing foodthey make it was. So first she60000:37:16,380 --> 00:37:19,260smokes and we even like, Hey,man is good food.60100:37:22,139 --> 00:37:24,269Dave Jones: That's right. Theseare these are Dutch coffee60200:37:24,269 --> 00:37:25,289shops, which are different than60300:37:26,310 --> 00:37:28,770Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I shouldhave clarified. Yes. You can't60400:37:28,770 --> 00:37:30,930actually get coffee in thecoffee shops. Yeah.60500:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,870Unknown: No, that's a differentstore. Yeah.60600:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,700Adam Curry: So Barry, give usyour background and how you came60700:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,850into podcasting. 2.0 Yeah,60800:37:41,850 --> 00:37:47,010Unknown: so I My background isin software development. Like a60900:37:47,010 --> 00:37:51,300lot of people listening here aswell. So, you know, I started61000:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,260out, when I went to school, Iactually started out, you know,61100:37:55,260 --> 00:37:59,400working on electricity, as atechnical engineer. And then I61200:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,530thought, you know, what, thesecomputers are also pretty cool.61300:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,420I mean, you know, tinker withthat stuff. So I went in into61400:38:06,420 --> 00:38:09,630software development, didn'tlearn it in school, because you61500:38:09,630 --> 00:38:13,560know, school, right, it kind ofsucks. So I did that on my own61600:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,230whilst I was in school, becausewhen you are in school, you have61700:38:16,230 --> 00:38:20,550lots of time. There's a longtime ago. And then I started out61800:38:20,550 --> 00:38:24,930as a software engineer back inthe day, all in Microsoft stack.61900:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,470Because, you know, that was justwhat I was used to, I62000:38:28,469 --> 00:38:30,659Dave Jones: grew up on when whenwhen 32 or C Sharp62100:38:32,429 --> 00:38:37,019Unknown: 32 first, and thendotnet came out, but dotnet 1.062200:38:37,019 --> 00:38:40,769and 1.1 revolutionary and didn'twork at all. And62300:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,370Adam Curry: that's a big thingthat has to load for some of our62400:38:44,370 --> 00:38:48,120applications, right? It's like,loading dotnet framework.62500:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,930Dave Jones: With nowadays, itwas so beautiful. It just worked62600:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,410everywhere.62700:38:53,429 --> 00:38:57,389Unknown: Yeah, you know, dotnetstill as a as a bad rap, because62800:38:57,389 --> 00:39:00,149it is, you know, Microsoft andslow and windows and all that62900:39:00,149 --> 00:39:03,599type stuff. But it's very, verymodern. So you know, it's been63000:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,329around for decades now. And theykept it pretty modern. And it's63100:39:06,329 --> 00:39:11,789very, very, very fast, veryperformance. So I kept on doing63200:39:11,789 --> 00:39:15,779that, as a software developer,always loved it. When I you63300:39:15,779 --> 00:39:18,299know, you type something on thescreen, you press a couple63400:39:18,299 --> 00:39:20,999buttons, something compiles andthen hopefully, you know,63500:39:20,999 --> 00:39:24,029something happens on the screenand a user has a button to push.63600:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,959And that's that's just magic tome. And I am sure that a lot of63700:39:27,959 --> 00:39:33,149listeners will recognize that aswell. So I keep on doing that.63800:39:33,269 --> 00:39:38,219And for the longest time that Ican remember, I've been learning63900:39:38,249 --> 00:39:41,969through podcasts as well, forsoftware development, technology64000:39:41,969 --> 00:39:46,379stuff, health stuff, andconspiracies to news.64100:39:48,150 --> 00:39:49,410Adam Curry: You're talking aboutlanguage rather.64200:39:50,460 --> 00:39:56,040Unknown: Ain't no agenda. I loveit. It keeps me sane. But I64300:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,840think podcasts are incrediblyvaluable because Even now, with64400:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,170all the censorship going on,this is kind of a last final64500:40:04,170 --> 00:40:09,930medium that is uncensored ish,you know, you're bright. So you64600:40:09,930 --> 00:40:12,840can kind of say what you want ona podcast. So you can also learn64700:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,860what you want on a podcast. Andyou can hear from all the voices64800:40:16,860 --> 00:40:20,820out there, left, right, center,Uptown, whatever, everybody can64900:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,130can speak their minds, andeverybody can tune into what65000:40:23,130 --> 00:40:27,270they like, right. And that isstill the case. And, you know,65100:40:27,510 --> 00:40:31,440it will probably not be thecase, in the future on the65200:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,460platforms. So Apple, Spotify,all these, the industry, or65300:40:35,460 --> 00:40:39,720whatever you call it, they willcensor more and more. But with65400:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,080this initiative, obviously,podcasting 2.0 We can keep this65500:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,880free and free speech. Yes. Andthat is very, very important.65600:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,930Because podcasts, I use it tolearn, I use it to be inspired,65700:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,750I use it to. Yeah, just just ingeneral, it's just such a part65800:40:57,750 --> 00:40:59,970of my life. And I think thateverybody that listens to65900:40:59,970 --> 00:41:03,480podcasts probably has the same,right. So you bake these things66000:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,330in, like usually on a Saturdaymorning, I would listen to this66100:41:06,330 --> 00:41:09,570show. Now I have some time off,because I already listened to66200:41:09,570 --> 00:41:14,340it. But it becomes just part ofyour routine. And it's very,66300:41:14,340 --> 00:41:21,900very important that we keep thisformat alive. And so last year,66400:41:22,230 --> 00:41:26,730I had kind of a crossroads whereI could do you know more66500:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,230courses, because I create onlinecourses about Microsoft Azure,66600:41:31,230 --> 00:41:34,740HTML, all sorts of things. Andthat's kind of how I make my66700:41:34,740 --> 00:41:40,620money nowadays. But I reallydon't like doing that. Or I66800:41:40,620 --> 00:41:44,490could create something valuable,that could help the thing that I66900:41:44,490 --> 00:41:47,970love, which is podcasting. Ialso create a couple of podcasts67000:41:47,970 --> 00:41:51,030myself, and I know how difficultthat can be how much work that67100:41:51,030 --> 00:41:55,350can be to create lots of coolmetadata around it so that67200:41:55,350 --> 00:41:58,920people can enjoy it, likechapters, transcripts, you know,67300:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,850a good title to identify thepeople, all that type of stuff,67400:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,550Adam Curry: you know that that'sso important. I think Dave would67500:42:05,550 --> 00:42:09,180probably attest to that once hebecame a podcaster. himself. It67600:42:09,180 --> 00:42:12,330changed his thinking aboutdevelopment for the platform for67700:42:12,330 --> 00:42:14,400the for the whole ecosystem.67800:42:15,180 --> 00:42:17,640Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.Well, yeah, totally. It did.67900:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,810Yeah, you don't really see.Because, you know, I think I've68000:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,320mentioned this before, back withfreedom controller with Adam68100:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,630shownotes. And that kind ofthink, I just always68200:42:27,630 --> 00:42:32,370misunderstood what he needed,and what the workflow was,68300:42:32,790 --> 00:42:35,910because I just wasn't there. Iwasn't in it. If you're not, you68400:42:35,910 --> 00:42:39,870know, it's, it's so easy to comein from the outside and say, Oh,68500:42:39,870 --> 00:42:42,360well, you know, this, just dothis, and this, and this, and68600:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,560this will then, you know, the,the most valuable part of of68700:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,720podcasting 2.0 project has beensince the beginning. The podcast68800:42:51,720 --> 00:42:57,870hosting companies telling us,you know, this, you hear your68900:42:57,870 --> 00:43:02,190misunderstanding this, or thisis not the way this thing works,69000:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,060or this is not super, you know,like this is not important, like69100:43:06,060 --> 00:43:09,990that kind of feedback, becausewe're not hosting companies were69200:43:09,989 --> 00:43:13,019Adam Curry: critical, critical.I had a lot of misconceptions69300:43:13,019 --> 00:43:14,639myself. Yeah.69400:43:14,669 --> 00:43:17,699Dave Jones: Yeah. It just is, isimportant. And now like, I'm69500:43:17,699 --> 00:43:20,639sure, Barry, now that you'rerunning a host, you've found out69600:43:20,699 --> 00:43:22,859a lot of stuff you probablydidn't know before.69700:43:23,610 --> 00:43:26,580Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. Soyou know, customers use us in69800:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,850various ways. And they have lotsof tools in the workflow, like69900:43:29,850 --> 00:43:33,630people use the script, or streamyard or all sorts of things that70000:43:33,630 --> 00:43:36,300they want to plug into theirworkflow and make make it work70100:43:36,300 --> 00:43:41,610with Pulte Homes somehow. So Icontinue to innovate every day.70200:43:42,060 --> 00:43:45,720And that's relatively easy isstill because I am Greenfield, I70300:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,860don't really have a lot oftechnical debt. So I can do70400:43:49,860 --> 00:43:54,090that. But yeah, so so the mainpurpose of both home is to make70500:43:54,090 --> 00:43:57,480it as easy as possible forpodcasters to upload their70600:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,740stuff, and then create a fullblown episodes that listeners70700:44:01,740 --> 00:44:04,620can enjoy with all the bells andwhistles and modern features70800:44:04,650 --> 00:44:08,790like transcripts, chapters,people, clips, show notes,70900:44:08,790 --> 00:44:14,010title, all that type of stuff.And that's what it does. And the71000:44:14,010 --> 00:44:16,980other thing is that it isunlimited, because I previously71100:44:16,980 --> 00:44:21,090also hosted with Lipson, forinstance. And I wanted to talk71200:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,670badly about Lipson, but one ofthe things that most hosts run71300:44:26,670 --> 00:44:30,870into is limitations with storageand bandwidth, right? Things71400:44:30,870 --> 00:44:35,520just costs money. So I wanted tojust take that away for71500:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,600podcasters they don't need toknow all that. So at bottom you71600:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,810can just host whatever you want.You can host 1000 shows if you71700:44:42,810 --> 00:44:46,650have 1000 shows with a millionepisodes, unlimited uploads and71800:44:46,650 --> 00:44:51,060also unlimited downloads. Andthat all for one price. Now71900:44:51,090 --> 00:44:53,820Adam Curry: I gotta stop youthere brother. I need to72000:44:53,820 --> 00:44:57,030understand this because you knowLipson was very early in the72100:44:57,030 --> 00:45:00,000game. I think they were probablythe first full blown hosting72200:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,830company, and I never understoodhow they did it. I've never72300:45:04,830 --> 00:45:09,960understood how they could offerwhat they did for the pricing72400:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200that they did. Because at thetime, I foolishly had started a72500:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,630podcast network, but had a lotof money from investors. So I72600:45:18,630 --> 00:45:23,130was like, Oh, it doesn't matter.And I never really understood72700:45:23,130 --> 00:45:26,850that side of the business. Andwhen I hear Todd from blueberry72800:45:26,850 --> 00:45:32,070talking about his, you know, 10sof 1000s of dollars a month. I72900:45:32,070 --> 00:45:35,880mean, you what you just said, ifI showed up with no agenda,73000:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,000would that still be the case foryou? I mean, I could still do73100:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,060that for for one low price. Howdo you do that?73200:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,400Unknown: Yeah, for 5099. Come onover. So I'm gonna give give73300:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,570away my secret. Now.73400:45:48,630 --> 00:45:50,190Adam Curry: You don't have to ifyou don't if that's if that's a73500:45:50,190 --> 00:45:53,400trade secret, that's okay. No,no, you don't have to. If73600:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,780Unknown: if you can google bing,bing it or whatever. good search73700:45:57,780 --> 00:45:58,590engine, you use73800:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,300Adam Curry: Cagayan kagi.com.73900:46:00,750 --> 00:46:05,550Unknown: That's a good oneDuckDuckGo, I use, but I use74000:46:05,580 --> 00:46:09,270Cloudflare. So a lot of peopleuse Cloudflare. And I use74100:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,780Cloudflare are two buckets,which is kind of like Amazon,74200:46:12,810 --> 00:46:18,090AWS, s3 buckets that has just abucket that contains data, like74300:46:18,090 --> 00:46:21,990episode data in this case. Andthe fun thing about our two and74400:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,440they haven't been doing this forlong is that you do not pay for74500:46:25,470 --> 00:46:30,300egress data. So data going outof the data center, we just pay74600:46:30,330 --> 00:46:32,310a low storage fee and storage.74700:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,870Adam Curry: That's what Linodedid until they didn't. Yeah,74800:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,530isn't that?74900:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,780Dave Jones: No, you're talkingabout?75000:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,039Adam Curry: Oh, no, not really.No, but what's the other one was75100:46:44,039 --> 00:46:45,749Wasabi? Wasabi? Right? Yeah,75200:46:45,750 --> 00:46:48,840Dave Jones: no egress fees. Butthen, as soon as you get over a75300:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,950certain amount of gigabits ofegress per month, you get a75400:46:52,950 --> 00:46:57,120phone call. And they the phonecall is we don't like you75500:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,900anymore. Yeah.75600:46:59,550 --> 00:47:01,620Adam Curry: That was the phonecall or upgrade75700:47:01,620 --> 00:47:05,520Dave Jones: to our undocumentedPro Plan. Where we allow you75800:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,380lots of egress, and you pay usfor it.75900:47:08,340 --> 00:47:11,580Unknown: Yeah, well, then stillis if there, if that is the76000:47:11,580 --> 00:47:15,720case, and I don't believe thatis the case, then still, there76100:47:15,720 --> 00:47:20,970will be a free base, you know,like an amount of free egress76200:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,430that you can use every month,right? And then it will still be76300:47:23,430 --> 00:47:27,270fine. But that really is a gamechanger. Because egress is can76400:47:27,270 --> 00:47:31,140be extremely expensive. If youdo that with a traditional thing76500:47:31,140 --> 00:47:34,410like Azure, or AWS, this is akiller. This76600:47:34,410 --> 00:47:39,900Adam Curry: is just somehistory. The no agenda, RSS feed76700:47:39,900 --> 00:47:43,020has members putting a lot moreinformation there are put76800:47:43,020 --> 00:47:49,320forward still has a lot inthere. I'm trying to think. I76900:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,930mean, I was putting full shownotes in there all kinds of77000:47:51,930 --> 00:47:55,380stuff. Anyway, Dave has alwaysmanaged all of my all of my77100:47:55,380 --> 00:47:58,320stuff. Because at the time thefeeds were being created by the77200:47:58,320 --> 00:48:04,710freedom controller, which is nowa sovereign feeds. And and my s377300:48:04,710 --> 00:48:07,560Bill, what was it Dave like700 800 bucks a month it was77400:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,130going crazy. And dad over 1500At one point, yeah. And the day77500:48:11,130 --> 00:48:13,830is like none, and we got tochange this. And then I think77600:48:13,830 --> 00:48:17,160that's when you moved. And alsobecause all of the I put all the77700:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,730clips out there and everything.And so all of that was being77800:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,350being sucked out by people. Andit was just becoming incredibly77900:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,680expensive. And then we went towasabi. And that worked for a78000:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,480while until we got that phonecall. It's like, no, no, no, you78100:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,110can't. And then I think Dave,you set it up through Linode and78200:48:37,110 --> 00:48:38,460CloudFlare, I believe, right?78300:48:38,790 --> 00:48:42,540Dave Jones: Yes, if what, whatwe're doing right now is Lint is78400:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,710yes, lint is Cloudflare in frontof Linode. And so the the Linode78500:48:46,710 --> 00:48:51,570thing as you can get with everyVM, you get a certain amount of78600:48:51,570 --> 00:48:55,770x of egress. So they're andthey're very generous with their78700:48:55,770 --> 00:49:03,270egress. So we set up I set up aVM, a decent size VM on Linode78800:49:03,660 --> 00:49:09,420with running Mineo or Minaya soit's basically self hosted Buck78900:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,540s3 buckets. And then we use theegress that the VM comes with,79000:49:16,020 --> 00:49:19,980to basically out to cover what'sgoing to Cloudflare and then let79100:49:20,010 --> 00:49:22,860go. I think, you know, I thinkthe benefit that you're running79200:49:22,860 --> 00:49:29,610into with Cloudflare there isthat they're still sort of in I79300:49:29,610 --> 00:49:32,700wouldn't say growth mode, butthey're trying to take market79400:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,610share from AWS and that kind ofthing. So they're going to79500:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,060they're going to allow you tohurt him a little bit before you79600:49:39,060 --> 00:49:42,420know that you're going to haveto get really really aggressive79700:49:42,420 --> 00:49:45,660before they give you a phonecall. You know you're probably79800:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,820you're probably going to have along runway before you get that79900:49:47,820 --> 00:49:48,540bad phone call.80000:49:48,690 --> 00:49:52,410Adam Curry: And it's worth it'sworth talking to to avoid zero80100:49:52,410 --> 00:49:56,130because He set us up a long timeago on ova H and I'm not sure80200:49:56,130 --> 00:49:59,160exactly how he did it, but wehave three or four different80300:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,970servers and if And colos thatthat are on the OVA H Network.80400:50:03,540 --> 00:50:10,830And we've been paying, I thinkit's, I mean, it's five $600 a80500:50:10,830 --> 00:50:14,940month for the longest time. Andwe've been added, you know, big80600:50:14,940 --> 00:50:17,880secret, but all of the IPFSstuff is basically all running80700:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,850off off with the no agendainfrastructure, because that's80800:50:20,850 --> 00:50:25,920the gateway. But for some reasonthat works. And you know, so80900:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,160just for the future, because I'dhate for I love the marketing. I81000:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,580love the marketing of don'tworry about all that unlimited.81100:50:32,580 --> 00:50:35,250Come on in, you're paying forthe tools you're paying for the81200:50:35,250 --> 00:50:38,310service. I love that. Just Iwould I would like to protect81300:50:38,310 --> 00:50:39,900you for your future upside.81400:50:41,190 --> 00:50:43,860Unknown: Yeah, no, definitely.And I do have backup plans as81500:50:43,860 --> 00:50:48,480well, if this doesn't work,because I do not want to be, you81600:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,070know, tied to just one singlepoint of failure. Exactly. Yeah.81700:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640Yeah, the same as with the wholeAI thing. Like I have this81800:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920brought home AI, that's thething that does it81900:50:58,950 --> 00:51:01,410automatically, right, it createstranscripts, or you can82000:51:02,009 --> 00:51:05,399Adam Curry: explain that, cuzyou graciously gave us accounts.82100:51:05,459 --> 00:51:08,849Now be honest, I have not takenadvantage of that to look at it82200:51:09,839 --> 00:51:14,249can be so as a podcast, you comein, you upload your show how82300:51:14,249 --> 00:51:18,209much is automatically created onpod home? Yeah,82400:51:18,210 --> 00:51:22,320Unknown: so you hit the big newepisode button, you upload your82500:51:22,350 --> 00:51:26,220audio and you flip the switch,hey, I want to use port home AI.82600:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,240You know, that's a catchy name,because everything is AI, right?82700:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,890And then you can say, Well, whatdo I want? I want transcripts. I82800:51:34,890 --> 00:51:38,790want chapters. I want a titleideas and a description. So show82900:51:38,790 --> 00:51:43,350notes. I want to detect peopleand try and generate some clips83000:51:43,350 --> 00:51:46,500for me as well. Some interestingouttakes, in the form of sound83100:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,550bites. So it goes and it doesthat. Wait a couple of services83200:51:50,550 --> 00:51:54,090in the background next couple ofminutes for for an hour of83300:51:54,090 --> 00:51:57,870audio. And then it suggests allof that to you. It says, Hey, we83400:51:57,870 --> 00:52:02,040came up with these five titles.What do you think pick one? And83500:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,100this is? Show Notes. What do youthink you can change it? Of83600:52:05,100 --> 00:52:10,230course. And these are chapters.And these are the people that we83700:52:10,230 --> 00:52:13,680think are in this episodes, youcan confirm that if you like,83800:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,130and here are some clips as well.And those clips are like I said,83900:52:17,790 --> 00:52:21,810they will they are included inthe feed as sound bites. And I84000:52:21,810 --> 00:52:26,460now also included a feature perclient sites, you can say right?84100:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,490From this clip, can you justgenerate a little video clip as84200:52:29,490 --> 00:52:33,120well, with the show artwork orepisode artwork or artwork that84300:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,780you upload yourself? Does it doartwork as well, I do not84400:52:36,780 --> 00:52:41,130generate artwork now. And don'tdo that. Because that is very84500:52:41,130 --> 00:52:45,780difficult. I've been using AIthis week to generate some84600:52:45,810 --> 00:52:49,230images for a new feature thatI'm creating. And it's really84700:52:49,230 --> 00:52:57,690bad as it sucks. But you seethese videos online with people84800:52:57,690 --> 00:53:01,020that are using a mid journey ordolly or whatever it's84900:53:01,050 --> 00:53:04,440pronounced. And it all looksamazing, right? Like, oh, wow,85000:53:04,470 --> 00:53:08,130that's amazing. I want becauseI'm building a feature now for85100:53:08,130 --> 00:53:13,800podcasters. So that they can getachievements and rewards. So you85200:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,640know, when you upload somethingyou get, I don't know, let's say85300:53:17,670 --> 00:53:22,08050 experience points. And thatadds up to a level. And with85400:53:22,110 --> 00:53:27,510each level you reach, you getsomething like a discount or a85500:53:27,510 --> 00:53:28,140kooberi85600:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,290Adam Curry: gamifying the wholegamifying the hosting business.85700:53:31,290 --> 00:53:32,280I like that85800:53:32,730 --> 00:53:35,250Unknown: fun because it'sdifficult to be a podcaster and85900:53:35,250 --> 00:53:38,010to keep it up right. So you needsome encouragement. Yeah. And I86000:53:38,010 --> 00:53:41,340want to add some real value tothat as well. Like, you know,86100:53:41,550 --> 00:53:45,780actual discounts to to yourmonthly bill, for instance. But86200:53:46,140 --> 00:53:49,920yeah, anyway, so I was trying togenerate these badges like, hey,86300:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,430create a round thing for me thatsays, great podcast or86400:53:53,430 --> 00:53:58,020something. And he kept gettingit wrong. You just cannot do it.86500:53:58,050 --> 00:53:59,610Yes. So86600:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,650Dave Jones: that's so very, Isaw that you I saw that you have86700:54:04,770 --> 00:54:10,410on your trial sign up. Do youhave a requirement to put in a86800:54:10,410 --> 00:54:13,860credit card? Is that intentionalto keep the spammers out?86900:54:15,179 --> 00:54:18,209Unknown: Yeah, definitely. Anduse also for my internal87000:54:18,209 --> 00:54:20,699workflow as well. Yeah.87100:54:21,449 --> 00:54:24,059Dave Jones: So because that's ahuge problem is such a huge87200:54:24,059 --> 00:54:27,299problem with free trials. Youknow, that, you know, I know87300:54:27,299 --> 00:54:32,639that rss.com and Buzzsprout. AndI know that they've, they've87400:54:32,639 --> 00:54:36,419really just struggled withalmost a struggle. I mean, they87500:54:36,449 --> 00:54:40,169they deal with it, but like it'sjust constant battle with these,87600:54:40,529 --> 00:54:42,839with these spammers that arealways trying to game those free87700:54:42,839 --> 00:54:47,159trials. I think they have thisstuff in place. They have bigger87800:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,799teams, you know, they have a bigteam that can handle something87900:54:49,799 --> 00:54:54,299like that, but with a with asmall one man operation like you88000:54:54,299 --> 00:54:57,089have. I mean, I think it wouldbe overwhelming to try to deal88100:54:57,089 --> 00:54:57,959with something like that.88200:54:59,340 --> 00:55:02,700Unknown: Yeah, I think I caterto a different audience as well.88300:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,810So I can cater to people thatreally want want to create88400:55:06,810 --> 00:55:10,740something of quality, right. Sothey are probably more willing88500:55:10,740 --> 00:55:17,070to, to pay up the 5099 per monthfor unlimited podcasting. And I88600:55:17,070 --> 00:55:19,260get it, you know, likeBuzzsprout, for instance, you88700:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,500sign up for free, you can have afree podcast, if you like, until88800:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,320you run into a threshold orsomething, you can just just88900:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,620have that there. But you know,that will just create lots of89000:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,710junk. And I don't want to, I'm89100:55:31,710 --> 00:55:34,680Adam Curry: impressed actually,you have a very unique89200:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,330combination of technical skills,obviously, but your marketing89300:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,190and your I really enjoy, youknow, just looking at the at the89400:55:44,190 --> 00:55:49,080site, and, you know, you have aseparate path for, for artists89500:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,000for value for value music. It'sjust, that's the unique89600:55:54,450 --> 00:55:58,050combination, I would sayusually, even in startups,89700:55:58,050 --> 00:56:01,350you'll see two guys, right? Yousee a technical guy and the89800:56:01,350 --> 00:56:04,470marketing guy, Amin, and youseem to be both in one where's89900:56:04,470 --> 00:56:05,100that come from?90000:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,900Unknown: Which is I don't know,I've, I've been doing online90100:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,910courses and stuff for a decadenow. Which means, you know,90200:56:14,910 --> 00:56:18,960talking to a microphone andcreating materials, like slides90300:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,380and pictures and stuff toexplain things or basically90400:56:22,380 --> 00:56:26,100explaining things in in imageand in words, that perhaps it90500:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,330comes from there. And throughthat, I also needed to market90600:56:30,330 --> 00:56:34,170myself, of course, in thatworld, as I call myself as your90700:56:34,170 --> 00:56:37,380Berry, you know, just to make iteasy so that I don't have to use90800:56:37,380 --> 00:56:43,140my last name. But but butreally, I'm not good at90900:56:43,140 --> 00:56:46,980marketing. I'm okay at creatingthese materials, but the91000:56:46,980 --> 00:56:51,690marketing itself like on socialmedia stuff I hate and I, right.91100:56:51,690 --> 00:56:51,840Oh,91200:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,660Adam Curry: yeah. When I when Isay marketing, I mean, just the91300:56:54,660 --> 00:56:58,770website and all that stuff. Theonboarding path, those are all91400:56:58,770 --> 00:57:01,590good. I mean, you got that down.I think that's, that's really91500:57:01,590 --> 00:57:02,280impressive.91600:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,450Dave Jones: Yeah, what mediumsdo you support very, is it just91700:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,390podcasting in podcasts and musicright now? Or do you have other91800:57:09,390 --> 00:57:10,530like audiobooks and that kind of91900:57:10,529 --> 00:57:13,499Unknown: thing? Podcasts? Well,everything that's currently92000:57:13,499 --> 00:57:17,909supported in the index are inthe space. So that's podcast,92100:57:18,059 --> 00:57:23,039music, audio book. And I alsoadded course, because I have a92200:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,289couple of courses that I justwant to upload there as well.92300:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,889Although it's no official thing.And I don't think any apps are92400:57:28,889 --> 00:57:31,919actually using it, but at leastit's you know, semantically then92500:57:31,919 --> 00:57:32,519it's correct.92600:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,490Adam Curry: One of the bigthings I found Well, the two92700:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,770main things that people choosepodcast hosts are, the two92800:57:40,830 --> 00:57:45,120criteria they choose it for is acustomer service, which you92900:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,790know, obviously you're small,you're one guy, so this is going93000:57:47,790 --> 00:57:51,810to be stellar, above and beyond,I'm sure. And the second one is93100:57:51,810 --> 00:57:56,460statistics, which is, you know,a current topic that we've been93200:57:56,460 --> 00:57:58,470talking about, how do you handlethat?93300:57:59,730 --> 00:58:03,690Unknown: So statistics? Well,first of all, I am never going93400:58:03,690 --> 00:58:07,080to get IAB certified and notbecause I'm not doing it.93500:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,280Dave Jones: You wouldn't nobodyelse.93600:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,630Unknown: Probably, I just don'twant to, I'm not going to pay93700:58:12,630 --> 00:58:14,310that fee. I think that'sridiculous.93800:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,350Dave Jones: Well, you're whatI'm saying is like, you're not93900:58:16,350 --> 00:58:18,600you're not alone. Now nobody'spaying the fee. Everybody's94000:58:19,170 --> 00:58:19,620bailing?94100:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,510Unknown: I think, yeah, I thinkit's helpful to have something94200:58:24,510 --> 00:58:28,530that everybody uses kind of thesame way to measure it. Right?94300:58:29,430 --> 00:58:34,770That's helpful. But still, it'svery difficult. Because first of94400:58:34,770 --> 00:58:38,640all, these things are just notdownloads, and any information94500:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,230that you get from a request isjust not very reliable, you94600:58:43,230 --> 00:58:46,830know, IP addresses, where didthey come from? Who knows? I use94700:58:46,830 --> 00:58:51,990a VPN all the time I switchcountries all the time. I have94800:58:51,990 --> 00:58:56,640devices that run on IP six thatchange their IP address quickly.94900:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,940So it's very difficult toactually know what's going on,95000:59:00,150 --> 00:59:04,140let alone to determine did youactually listen to this thing?95100:59:04,170 --> 00:59:06,990Or was it a download was anautomatic download? Was it95200:59:06,990 --> 00:59:10,680something else? Was it actuallythe same guy that listened to95300:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,420this episode, and continue tolisten to it within this same 2495400:59:15,420 --> 00:59:21,630or 48 hours? So I do a lot offiltering. And I probably filter95500:59:21,630 --> 00:59:27,900a bit too much. So I do use theIAB methods that they recommends95600:59:27,900 --> 00:59:32,670within their guidelines. And Ialso use the how to pronounce95700:59:32,670 --> 00:59:38,220that oh, oh, walk out walk theJohn Spurlock stuff. To filter95800:59:38,220 --> 00:59:42,210Yeah. And to determine whichapps and which which things95900:59:42,450 --> 00:59:49,860match the user agents which isbrilliant by the way. So I my96000:59:49,860 --> 00:59:54,990stuff is pretty accurate. Butwhat I really like is Opie tree.96100:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,210I think that's brilliant.Because, you know John has is96201:00:00,210 --> 01:00:04,290doing that, like almost fulltime, it seems, and always96301:00:04,290 --> 01:00:07,890making it better. And it's itjust looks very clean.96401:00:08,459 --> 01:00:11,279Dave Jones: I you have that asan option in your dashcam for96501:00:11,279 --> 01:00:11,699mp3.96601:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,210Unknown: Well, not in thedashboards, but you can just,96701:00:15,390 --> 01:00:18,570you know, in your show settings,you can just check a box, and96801:00:18,570 --> 01:00:23,940then I add to Opie tree, aprepayment to your, to your URLs96901:00:23,940 --> 01:00:26,220for your episodes, and thenautomatically all your data also97001:00:26,220 --> 01:00:32,190shows up in there. So that'svery easy to do. And lots of97101:00:32,190 --> 01:00:34,920customers actually do that aswell, which is very good. Good97201:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,330to see. But yeah,97301:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,380Dave Jones: you know, think I'mglad that the IB stuff, honestly97401:00:40,380 --> 01:00:43,890is is I mean, I don't wish it onanybody. But I'm just I'm glad97501:00:43,890 --> 01:00:49,170that that is beginning tocrumble. Show cracks? Because97601:00:49,230 --> 01:00:51,870shouldn't be honest. I mean,shouldn't that shouldn't the97701:00:51,870 --> 01:00:57,030entire IB spec, just be a GitHubrepo? Yeah. Why are we why are97801:00:57,030 --> 01:00:59,850we do they mean was this? It was97901:01:01,290 --> 01:01:04,140Adam Curry: not just the onetime fee? It's an ongoing98001:01:04,140 --> 01:01:05,040percentage.98101:01:05,850 --> 01:01:08,130Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Thewhole thing just seems like98201:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,570completely unnecessary.98301:01:09,630 --> 01:01:12,240Adam Curry: They have they haveto fund the certification98401:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,740process, which requires someonediving into a company's logs.98501:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,070And yeah, you know, that's,that's what it is. And the98601:01:20,070 --> 01:01:24,390business model is Nielsen. Youknow, you pay Nielsen to be to98701:01:24,390 --> 01:01:28,830get Nielsen ratings. What wasthe other one the online? The98801:01:28,830 --> 01:01:32,310online system everybody wasusing for a while for blogs and98901:01:32,310 --> 01:01:34,620everything? Oh, my God, I can'tremember. Yeah,99001:01:34,620 --> 01:01:37,860Dave Jones: no, no, like this,you know that that whole system99101:01:38,700 --> 01:01:44,070is based on the fact thatairwaves in spectrum is99201:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,410inaccessible to any to, toeverybody without, without going99301:01:49,410 --> 01:01:52,650through a government auction topurchase is, it's basically the,99401:01:53,100 --> 01:01:58,080the, the barrier to entry intothe market of cable and99501:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,550broadcast television is, is toohigh, and nobody can do it. So99601:02:02,820 --> 01:02:07,620but when you're when you have aninternet based system, then you99701:02:07,620 --> 01:02:11,880have, you can have a hugecompany like Buzzsprout, and99801:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,310rss.com, and blueberry. And thenyou can have, on the other end99901:02:17,310 --> 01:02:23,100of that come in a company likepod home and an RSS blue. And100001:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,600there's no there's no reasonfor, like, there's no reason to100101:02:27,600 --> 01:02:33,870have this sort of opaquecertification process that100201:02:33,870 --> 01:02:37,380happens where people just waitaround for some auditing group100301:02:37,380 --> 01:02:41,790to go in and certify youralgorithms when, when really100401:02:41,790 --> 01:02:47,940what will happen is that thatstuff gets self audited. By just100501:02:47,940 --> 01:02:51,240looking at the at the numbers,it's like, okay, well, I can,100601:02:51,330 --> 01:02:56,010you can easily compare between ashow I have over here in a show100701:02:56,010 --> 01:03:01,080I have over here. And I've gothave bought some advertising on100801:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,100this network and a lot ofadvertising on this network. And100901:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,770these numbers don't make anysense. You know, this doesn't101001:03:07,770 --> 01:03:10,890match up. So like some there'ssome funny business going on101101:03:10,890 --> 01:03:14,760here. Like I just don't see thatthere's a need like there is101201:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,250with like broadcast television,and radio.101301:03:18,510 --> 01:03:21,840Unknown: No, I totally agree.And, like you say the proof is101401:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,650in the pudding. So the customerswill figure it out by themselves101501:03:25,650 --> 01:03:28,980as well and can now also compareto OB tree, for instance, and101601:03:28,980 --> 01:03:31,620then easily see if it's, if it'scorrect or not. This101701:03:31,620 --> 01:03:34,020Adam Curry: kind of brings usback to what what you were101801:03:34,020 --> 01:03:37,590talking about earlier with SamSeth, he was asking on, on pod101901:03:37,590 --> 01:03:42,330news weekly review. Once theNielsen ratings really went to102001:03:43,230 --> 01:03:46,200actual data. So it used to bediary based, you know, you fill102101:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,960out a diary, what you listen to,and you'd have Nielsen homes,102201:03:49,050 --> 01:03:51,540there's a great movie aboutthat, by the way where the mob.102301:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,850The mob produces a televisionshow. And then they send all of102401:03:56,850 --> 01:03:59,730their mobsters to all theseNielsen homes. And they're all102501:03:59,730 --> 01:04:02,010sitting there with guns to thepeople's heads, like you got to102601:04:02,010 --> 01:04:04,770fill out our show. And so theybecame the number one TV show,102701:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,250which of course, actually madethem the number one TV show. But102801:04:08,250 --> 01:04:12,000once they moved to actual datafrom cable boxes, which is, you102901:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,890know, it's spying on you all thetime. And it's so low, that now103001:04:16,950 --> 01:04:19,860particularly with big liveevents, they don't even do103101:04:19,860 --> 01:04:23,040overnight ratings anymore. Youcan't get the ratings than it103201:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,650used to be able to get up atseven in the morning, and have103301:04:25,650 --> 01:04:29,190the ratings and know exactly howwell your show had done. That's103401:04:29,190 --> 01:04:34,680now moved to several days laterthan they have ratings plus one103501:04:34,680 --> 01:04:39,120day plus two days plus threedays for, for reporting for103601:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,830people who are using DVRs which,you know, of course also doesn't103701:04:43,830 --> 01:04:46,110take into account for theadvertisers that this is103801:04:46,110 --> 01:04:48,900important for that their ads arebeing skipped. I mean, it's a103901:04:48,900 --> 01:04:51,900mess. It really isn't and peopledon't really want to know104001:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,420because it turns out it's muchlower. Yeah,104101:04:54,420 --> 01:04:56,340Dave Jones: you don't you don'twant to see the real numbers104201:04:56,340 --> 01:05:00,000like it because they'redepressing and even for big104301:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,120shows the number the numbers arenot what you think they are104401:05:03,120 --> 01:05:08,490answered in the IB. Like if mybig issue is that the IB can say104501:05:09,360 --> 01:05:14,670they can they can create all thestandardized metric standard104601:05:14,670 --> 01:05:19,470standardized algorithms theywant. But when all of a sudden104701:05:19,590 --> 01:05:24,180one app makes a change, andeverything goes down by 20%, it104801:05:24,180 --> 01:05:28,080shows you that the whole thingis built on. On garbage. Yeah,104901:05:28,290 --> 01:05:32,130Adam Curry: that was that waskind of unfortunate event. Yeah,105001:05:32,129 --> 01:05:36,329Dave Jones: I mean, like, it'ssomething happens. It's not even105101:05:36,359 --> 01:05:40,559the 20. No, everything's down20 24%. Across the105201:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,980Adam Curry: board. Wait, wait,wait, wait, wait. Be careful,105301:05:43,980 --> 01:05:47,880because you don't want the wrathof Todd. That That didn't happen105401:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,600to blueberry. Okay. Their statsare superior, which I don't105501:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,640doubt which I don't doubt will105601:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,210Dave Jones: if everybody's a becertified. If everybody's I'd be105701:05:57,210 --> 01:06:01,770certified in an every host isgoing bound down by Weird,105801:06:01,830 --> 01:06:06,900radically different amounts,then this all silly. I mean, the105901:06:06,900 --> 01:06:11,610whole thing's goofy. It shouldjust the download the algorithm106001:06:11,610 --> 01:06:16,290algorithms for measuring stairsshould just be a GitHub repo106101:06:16,290 --> 01:06:19,740with a bunch of interestedpeople there who are don't who106201:06:19,740 --> 01:06:23,520are who have the interest to getto donate their own time to get106301:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,400this to happen. That's allthat's all should be. There106401:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,170should be no organization behindthis106501:06:28,380 --> 01:06:33,390Adam Curry: dream on brother.Dream will never happen. That106601:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,090Dave Jones: will happen. Itabsolutely I disagree. It will106701:06:36,090 --> 01:06:38,880happen. But it's as it'shappening right now. Nobody's106801:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,000renewing. Renewing everybodywill just106901:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,130Adam Curry: take that over to bea GitHub repo. Take that back. I107001:06:44,130 --> 01:06:44,910take that back.107101:06:46,290 --> 01:06:49,170Dave Jones: Yeah. I thinkeverybody's tired of it. Well,107201:06:49,170 --> 01:06:52,410Adam Curry: I'd love op three,op three makes me happy. Give me107301:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,380a night. I never looked atstats, all I cared about is can107401:06:55,380 --> 01:07:00,390I pay the rent. And now it'sinteresting to know, just for107501:07:00,390 --> 01:07:04,560me, Okay, I'm getting this manypeople who are supporting with107601:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,220value for value, the treasurepart because a lot of people107701:07:08,220 --> 01:07:11,730support with time and talent,which is absolutely equatable to107801:07:11,730 --> 01:07:17,580money. And so I can see thatpercentage, that's important to107901:07:17,580 --> 01:07:20,790me. And it doesn't matter howaccurate the number is, it's the108001:07:20,790 --> 01:07:24,120number as long as the numbersconsistent, and now having the108101:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,150timestamps in there. Now, it'sinteresting. Now I can use it108201:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,930from a programming standpoint, Ican make decisions about what108301:07:30,930 --> 01:07:35,430I'm doing in the show itself.And, and this is the one thing108401:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,630that I've always felt with valuefor value streaming payments,108501:07:39,780 --> 01:07:44,730there is a huge reward. For meas when Tina and I started our108601:07:44,730 --> 01:07:48,780podcast, covering thekeeper.com. We started up she108701:07:48,780 --> 01:07:50,700gets mad at me if I knowpromoted, we started our108801:07:50,700 --> 01:07:54,810podcast. We started from zero,we didn't it's still not an108901:07:54,810 --> 01:07:58,020apple, we didn't put it anywhereelse only on modern podcast109001:07:58,020 --> 01:08:02,820apps. And just for her as abrand new podcast, I wanted to109101:08:02,820 --> 01:08:06,900take a look. And she could seeper minute Satoshis coming in,109201:08:07,140 --> 01:08:11,760that encouraged her. It gave hera really good encouraged me. And109301:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,150I'm jaded, I'm like, Wow, that'sso cool. Someone is actually109401:08:15,150 --> 01:08:18,600listening. And they care so muchthat they they're sending a109501:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,520Satoshi per minute or whateverit is. That, to me is what's109601:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,640beautiful. And what podcastingis about that encouragement is109701:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,270built right in. I also liked theidea of the AI generated, you109801:08:30,270 --> 01:08:33,570know, thumbs up, but I'm justsaying this is this is something109901:08:33,570 --> 01:08:35,550that is very exciting forpodcasting.110001:08:36,870 --> 01:08:40,110Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. Andso with the analytics, you know,110101:08:40,110 --> 01:08:42,750you have to think about what'sthe use of even showing110201:08:42,780 --> 01:08:45,720analytics to users, right, andyou hit it on the head right110301:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,140there. So it's it's motivation,like is somebody actually110401:08:49,140 --> 01:08:52,170listening to this stuff? Andthen you can have some extra110501:08:52,170 --> 01:08:54,480things oh, people are listeningin five countries in 10110601:08:54,480 --> 01:08:59,070countries that's so exciting.And something actionable so what110701:08:59,070 --> 01:09:02,280are they listening to? What whatis what is resonating with the110801:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,470people that are listening?Right? You know, you might have110901:09:04,470 --> 01:09:08,130an episode that's that's viralish or something, you know, more111001:09:08,130 --> 01:09:12,180popular than other episodes. Soyou can then change what you do111101:09:12,420 --> 01:09:16,620based upon that those things.But it's nothing more than that.111201:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,890But you should you know, thinkabout why you are actually even111301:09:19,890 --> 01:09:24,240showing this to users not justbecause you have it right.111401:09:24,749 --> 01:09:26,669Dave Jones: Well if you're gonnaif you're gonna make it through111501:09:26,939 --> 01:09:32,729podcast winter, you know, if inthis industry, I think the111601:09:32,759 --> 01:09:35,699companies that make it throughpodcast winter are going to be111701:09:36,239 --> 01:09:41,429small teams. And I would say youknow, people like the size of111801:09:41,489 --> 01:09:45,959this as of blueberry RSS,Buzzsprout red circle and111901:09:45,959 --> 01:09:51,419smaller though those thosecompanies the the big the big112001:09:51,419 --> 01:09:56,609staffed, hosting companies thatare all in on an on an112101:09:56,609 --> 01:09:59,969advertising play like Lipson anda cast and these just giant112201:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,899Companies that that are tryingto go public trying to be112301:10:03,899 --> 01:10:07,649publicly listed, and they'regoing to struggle. The podcast112401:10:07,649 --> 01:10:12,239winter is going to be very hardfor those companies, small teams112501:10:13,709 --> 01:10:17,219for you know, are are going tosurvive, and I think they're112601:10:17,219 --> 01:10:21,149going to do well. So I mean,like the end, so as see, it's112701:10:21,149 --> 01:10:25,199been really encouraging to seeguys like you and W das and I N,112801:10:26,369 --> 01:10:30,539those guys bring sort ofbringing up this very, sort of112901:10:31,559 --> 01:10:35,429almost like a like a boutiquelike these little boutique 2.0113001:10:35,879 --> 01:10:38,999hosting companies. Because we'vewe had, like we had somebody113101:10:38,999 --> 01:10:43,919asked us the other day, where,where can I go? And I want to do113201:10:43,919 --> 01:10:47,999an audio book podcast, right?Where can I go to do that, like113301:10:47,999 --> 01:10:51,239what host because the personthat this was a person who113401:10:51,239 --> 01:10:55,679doesn't know anything about howpodcasting works on a technical113501:10:55,679 --> 01:11:00,179level. So, you know, she waslike, I've got an audio book, I113601:11:00,179 --> 01:11:04,799need to narrate for somebody.And I just need something that's113701:11:04,799 --> 01:11:10,889super easy. Well, the big, thebigger hosts, they're not there113801:11:10,889 --> 01:11:14,129yet, you know, they move slower.And so we're, you know, it's113901:11:14,129 --> 01:11:18,329like, well, now you have 2.0,hosts like pod home and ours is114001:11:18,329 --> 01:11:22,229blue, they can serve thatmarket, they can serve the early114101:11:22,229 --> 01:11:26,399adopter 2.0 market, that is alegitimate market that just it114201:11:26,399 --> 01:11:29,609needs to be served. And but it'sgoing to take a small team, a114301:11:29,609 --> 01:11:33,599small team like you to do it,and I'm really thankful for it.114401:11:34,979 --> 01:11:39,929Unknown: Yeah, and I'm happy tobe able to, you know, use all of114501:11:39,929 --> 01:11:44,219your good work to make thelistening experience better,114601:11:44,219 --> 01:11:46,739because that's what it's about,right? So when people have114701:11:46,739 --> 01:11:50,219transcripts and chapters, andthat works across all apps, then114801:11:50,219 --> 01:11:53,759the listening experience becomesbetter. And that's also why I114901:11:53,759 --> 01:11:56,579chose to adopt all thesefeatures and tags.115001:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,620Adam Curry: It also, and what'swhat I find beautiful about this115101:12:01,620 --> 01:12:05,100is now just some history forpeople who don't know, but the115201:12:05,160 --> 01:12:10,500the podcast ecosystem had becomethe podcast industrial complex115301:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,140and was frozen, it wascompletely frozen, because115401:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,620hosting companies would say,Well, you know, if Apple's not115501:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,080going to do anything, then burnthem, we're not going to do it,115601:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,870we're not going to add anyfeatures. And everyone would be115701:12:21,870 --> 01:12:24,600I would be pleading with Appleand Apple had no intention of115801:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,420doing anything like that. Andwhich I can't fault them for.115901:12:27,420 --> 01:12:30,090It's not their core business,they don't care. They, they,116001:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,630they want people to buy theirproducts and, and use the base,116101:12:33,630 --> 01:12:35,190and they have their ownnamespace and their own116201:12:35,190 --> 01:12:41,640thoughts, which is fine. Butthrough many miracles, seeing116301:12:41,670 --> 01:12:47,220the and not have to say a lot ofit was Stephen B. Who started116401:12:47,220 --> 01:12:50,610said, Okay, here's an app, thisis curio caster, and here's the116501:12:50,670 --> 01:12:54,210here's the service that thatwrites the feed. And just by116601:12:54,210 --> 01:12:58,050having that, and just by theend, I believe that everything116701:12:58,050 --> 01:13:01,800comes from publishing. So that'swhy I keep publishing cross SEC116801:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,730comments. It's their data wantsto go sim it wants to surface.116901:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,280But But just as Dave said,having, being at the point now117001:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,590where we have enough apps thathave enough features, and then117101:13:16,590 --> 01:13:20,640seeing these 2.0, Native hostingcompanies would I call them as117201:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,810you say, with no technical debt,that's that's progress that I117301:13:24,810 --> 01:13:29,520had. I hadn't even thought ofhappening. I'm so delighted to117401:13:29,520 --> 01:13:29,940see it.117501:13:30,570 --> 01:13:32,580Dave Jones: But it makes it avalue, it makes it a valid117601:13:32,580 --> 01:13:39,630ecosystem. You know, becausethat because there's things when117701:13:39,630 --> 01:13:43,380we, when we run with scissorsand do something that's really117801:13:43,380 --> 01:13:48,990nuts, that then it takes, itreally is only going to be117901:13:48,990 --> 01:13:53,520somebody like a one man teamthat is going to be able to to118001:13:53,730 --> 01:13:57,750to risk to handle the risk ofdoing a thing like that. And118101:13:57,750 --> 01:14:01,560Adam Curry: not only that, butto get artists who take risk.118201:14:02,100 --> 01:14:05,820Yeah, like Yeah, and then to seeall these different teams come118301:14:05,820 --> 01:14:10,380together like on the theMinneapolis concert. I mean,118401:14:11,010 --> 01:14:14,490exactly, as you said, and ohman, this is so good. This is118501:14:14,490 --> 01:14:20,610good, rich discussion. This isthe essence of podcasting. We118601:14:20,610 --> 01:14:26,730all got really caught up inmoney. And, and in, you know,118701:14:27,210 --> 01:14:32,340monetizing and growing your showand then you know being number118801:14:32,340 --> 01:14:37,050one, and that's not it at all.What it is, is being look, I've118901:14:37,050 --> 01:14:40,530been doing this for 16 years.According to OP three no agenda119001:14:40,530 --> 01:14:45,900has 900,000 people, that's mypeople, right? If it if it grows119101:14:45,900 --> 01:14:49,380to 2 million great if it shrinksto 400,000 It doesn't matter.119201:14:49,770 --> 01:14:53,460That's my people being able tosee them interact with them.119301:14:54,690 --> 01:14:58,380Certainly through the feedbackmechanism of booster grams, much119401:14:58,380 --> 01:15:02,940more about that than it is aboutout the money. It's beautiful119501:15:02,940 --> 01:15:07,230when it can be self sustaining.But that loop just those those119601:15:07,230 --> 01:15:10,680little satisfying things ofknowing someone is out there.119701:15:11,130 --> 01:15:15,810That's really when podcastingbecomes valuable to people's119801:15:15,810 --> 01:15:19,710lives, from the audienceperspective, as well as the119901:15:19,830 --> 01:15:21,210podcaster. Perspective.120001:15:22,740 --> 01:15:26,700Unknown: Yeah, and so valueattracts value, right. And so120101:15:26,730 --> 01:15:27,900what you guys are doing120201:15:27,900 --> 01:15:29,520Adam Curry: well, I gotta write,like, I write that one down,120301:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,740there's a t shirt is. So120401:15:31,770 --> 01:15:35,220Unknown: So you created twomethods that can create more120501:15:35,220 --> 01:15:39,330value for podcasters. Right?Because when they add all of120601:15:39,330 --> 01:15:43,140this extra metadata that wasn'tthere before, with just Apple,120701:15:43,650 --> 01:15:46,890then the listener gets morevalue out of it. It's that120801:15:46,890 --> 01:15:50,700simple. And then they can alsoprovide you with value true120901:15:50,700 --> 01:15:54,000value for value and other meansas well. But but that's the121001:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,200whole circle, right? It's alljust providing extra value. And121101:15:58,200 --> 01:16:03,240so I'm very happy to add thingsin bolt home, that add value to121201:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,230what my people creates. And thenwhat listeners can can listen to121301:16:07,470 --> 01:16:11,010me listen to myself, I love tolisten to have have a better121401:16:11,010 --> 01:16:15,540listening experience. Right? Sothat's what it's all about. Did121501:16:15,540 --> 01:16:19,770Dave Jones: you did you? Did yousay earlier that your AI product121601:16:19,770 --> 01:16:22,470is helping create the persontags?121701:16:23,820 --> 01:16:29,040Unknown: Yeah, yeah. So it candetect which people are121801:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,110speaking. But it tries. Itdoesn't do that on voice, by the121901:16:34,110 --> 01:16:38,310way. Not yet, at least. And Iprobably won't do that. Because122001:16:38,310 --> 01:16:41,280that means I need to store thatinformation as well. That's a122101:16:41,610 --> 01:16:47,070bit of a privacy thing. But Butyeah, it, it tries to detect122201:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,900which people are speaking. If itcan, if it can try and suggest122301:16:51,900 --> 01:16:52,590that to you, I122401:16:52,589 --> 01:16:56,279Adam Curry: use for my trend, Ireally would love to use122501:16:56,279 --> 01:16:59,399something else. I'd love to getmy money to somebody else by use122601:16:59,429 --> 01:17:04,289otter.ai. And the only reason Istill use it is because it now I122701:17:04,289 --> 01:17:07,619had to tell it which whichspeaker but the speaker's names122801:17:07,619 --> 01:17:11,999were I really wanted thetranscripts to have the name122901:17:11,999 --> 01:17:15,119because there was at least oneapp pod friend, as far as I123001:17:15,119 --> 01:17:20,189know, that does something reallyfun with Speaker names and so on123101:17:20,219 --> 01:17:23,939pod friend. When I'm talkingthere's my head pops up and a123201:17:23,939 --> 01:17:26,249little bubble with what I said.And when someone else is123301:17:26,249 --> 01:17:29,729talking, then that pops up. ButI have not been able to find a123401:17:29,729 --> 01:17:34,949transcription service that doesthis with speed. And otter a dot123501:17:34,949 --> 01:17:37,529A it takes a long time. It takesa long time for that to123601:17:37,529 --> 01:17:38,129complete.123701:17:39,600 --> 01:17:44,190Unknown: Yeah, no, this issurprisingly fast, actually. But123801:17:44,190 --> 01:17:48,810yeah, so when you identify whosays what, because you get you123901:17:48,810 --> 01:17:51,600get a little snippet of audio.And you're like, oh, that's124001:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,800Adam. Okay, so that's Adam, Adamcurry. That's the person call.124101:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,180And then it's puts that in thein the transcript and also in, I124201:18:00,180 --> 01:18:06,510added transcripts in in JSON andan HTML and also an SRT in there124301:18:06,510 --> 01:18:09,960as well. Because some apps justuse that. Or maybe you want to124401:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,920download to SRT or VTT, forYouTube, if you want to go124501:18:13,920 --> 01:18:14,280there.124601:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,490Adam Curry: But you can well,this is great. So maybe I'll124701:18:17,490 --> 01:18:22,020just switch from otter AI to pothome AI and just use it for the124801:18:22,020 --> 01:18:25,950transcripts. Yeah, you can takea look, I'd much rather pay you.124901:18:26,010 --> 01:18:28,230And it's about the same. Infact, I think I pay more for125001:18:28,230 --> 01:18:30,240otter than the 1599.125101:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,100Unknown: Yeah, and pull the homeAI is unlimited, just like125201:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,400everything, everything else. Soyou're not bound to an amount of125301:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,390hours per month.125401:18:40,260 --> 01:18:42,240Dave Jones: So are you usingAzure on the back end for that?125501:18:43,260 --> 01:18:46,110Unknown: No, I I started offwith that. But you're125601:18:46,290 --> 01:18:50,250Adam Curry: very Azure. You'revery, very Yeah,125701:18:50,340 --> 01:18:53,370Unknown: I know. I know. Andthey have, you know, open AI125801:18:53,370 --> 01:18:57,270services on Azure. And all sortsof other stuff. Ai stuff on125901:18:57,270 --> 01:18:58,740Azure as well nowadays. How long126001:18:58,740 --> 01:19:00,060Dave Jones: does it take? It'sexpensive, though.126101:19:01,260 --> 01:19:03,750Unknown: It's expensive, butit's also very gated. So126201:19:03,750 --> 01:19:07,170whatever you put in there isfiltered censored and ooh, you126301:19:07,170 --> 01:19:11,850said a bad words. Now I reallydon't turn anything. Yeah, just126401:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,300AI126501:19:12,300 --> 01:19:16,530Adam Curry: the AI world isgoing to suck so bad. Vanilla.126601:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,400So how long does it take onaverage for an hour of audio to126701:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,760do the transcript with Speakernames? If you pre if you tell if126801:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,260you teach it the speaker names.126901:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,990Unknown: You cannot teach it thespeaker names yet. So what it127001:19:30,990 --> 01:19:35,640takes about two minutes for hourof audio to get a whole127101:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,280transcript and the rest of itback chapters and all that.127201:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,660Adam Curry: So when it detectspeople, what do I get in the in127301:19:42,660 --> 01:19:43,710SRT file?127401:19:44,310 --> 01:19:47,460Unknown: So when it is done,then you go to your episode127501:19:47,460 --> 01:19:50,550settings and they have a peopletab and then it says, Hey, we127601:19:50,550 --> 01:19:54,840found these two people. Is thatcorrect? You need to confirm if127701:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,560that's correct. Once you dothat, then I stick it into the127801:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,740transcript and into the s So Tand everything else,127901:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,790Adam Curry: do you have to dothat every128001:20:02,790 --> 01:20:06,510Unknown: time? Yeah, for now?Yes. But I'm working on a128101:20:06,660 --> 01:20:07,530solution for them.128201:20:07,650 --> 01:20:10,290Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. Cuz,because I just basically have,128301:20:10,830 --> 01:20:14,340you know, seven names orwhatever. And so your yours is128401:20:14,340 --> 01:20:17,340not in my database. But nowwe'll put it in the next time128501:20:17,340 --> 01:20:18,750you come on, it'll detect you.128601:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,950Unknown: Yeah, right. So so thatis actually actual speaker128701:20:22,950 --> 01:20:27,270detection based on my voice andor your voice. And that's the128801:20:27,270 --> 01:20:31,260fancy way to do it. And verycomplicated, as well as I don't128901:20:31,260 --> 01:20:33,870need to store that information,which I really don't want to do.129001:20:34,440 --> 01:20:38,100But I can, but I, there's easiersolutions as well. That's129101:20:38,970 --> 01:20:40,980Adam Curry: why I'm excited, I'mexcited, two minutes would be129201:20:40,980 --> 01:20:43,860great. Because, you know, that'sone of those things that always129301:20:43,860 --> 01:20:47,370have, it's, that would save,believe me, when you save me129401:20:47,370 --> 01:20:52,380time, you are my friend forever.So creating. So here's my129501:20:52,380 --> 01:20:57,300workflow. The minute I'm donewith the show, and there's129601:20:57,300 --> 01:21:00,180usually no edit, so I just throwit into I upload it to the129701:21:00,180 --> 01:21:02,970server, while I'm doing all theother stuff, I need that because129801:21:02,970 --> 01:21:05,910I need to get the size is forthe head request, you know,129901:21:05,910 --> 01:21:10,290whatever, when, beforepublishing the feed, then I130001:21:10,290 --> 01:21:13,800grabbed a dummy transcript file,I have to rename it, then I have130101:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,670to open it up. Make sure it justsays transcript as processing,130201:21:17,970 --> 01:21:20,880then I have to upload it then Ihave to wait until his upload,130301:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,340make sure it's uploaded, andthen I can continue. So it's130401:21:23,340 --> 01:21:26,130just a pain in the butt. It'sjust it's annoying. It's130501:21:26,130 --> 01:21:28,860annoying process for a worldwhich should be automated and130601:21:28,860 --> 01:21:29,700computerized.130701:21:30,660 --> 01:21:33,210Unknown: Yeah, yeah. Andnowadays, we can I think I use130801:21:33,210 --> 01:21:36,360the same back end server asfountain does because they are130901:21:36,360 --> 01:21:44,010also super quick with theirtranscripts. Okay, bad tech.131001:21:44,010 --> 01:21:45,030Look. Try it131101:21:45,030 --> 01:21:47,760Dave Jones: out. Yeah. Forgetwhat are they use it? What was131201:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,570the company there?131301:21:49,530 --> 01:21:51,420Unknown: I think they're usingthe same thing. And it's deep131401:21:51,420 --> 01:21:52,020Graham.131501:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,400Dave Jones: dB. is so fast. Oh,131601:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,230Adam Curry: it's great. It'sgreat for transcript is131701:21:58,230 --> 01:21:58,830phenomenal.131801:21:59,010 --> 01:21:59,670Unknown: Languages.131901:22:00,780 --> 01:22:03,930Dave Jones: Yeah, that's That'sright. I think. I think Nathan132001:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,290is using that for steno as well.Or? Yeah, yeah. That's he was132101:22:07,290 --> 01:22:11,910because he does his remember, hehis was just as fast as132201:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,900fountain. Yeah, that's a greatthey will What would you like to132301:22:15,900 --> 01:22:23,070see Barry in? In Phase seven ofthe namespace? Is there. Is132401:22:23,070 --> 01:22:27,090there anything that you're goingto give you more work high on132501:22:28,410 --> 01:22:30,540anything that you're really,really chomping at the bit to132601:22:30,540 --> 01:22:30,990see?132701:22:32,460 --> 01:22:37,200Unknown: This basically twothings. So a very, I got my pen,132801:22:37,230 --> 01:22:40,530I'm reading a very gooddeduplication process.132901:22:42,960 --> 01:22:43,920Adam Curry: Yeah,133001:22:44,970 --> 01:22:53,100Unknown: it's a difficult thing.And, and, of course, cross as AP133101:22:53,250 --> 01:22:58,260comments, I would really love tooffer that as well. So if I can133201:22:58,260 --> 01:23:03,240grab that from somewhere andshow it to people in one133301:23:03,240 --> 01:23:11,550centralized place. That'd beawesome. Okay, yeah. So this133401:23:11,550 --> 01:23:16,140interaction with your with yourlisteners, right. Okay. Do you133501:23:16,140 --> 01:23:19,860Adam Curry: also give give eachpodcast their own homepage?133601:23:20,460 --> 01:23:20,730Yeah.133701:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,340Unknown: If they want. Yeah.Yeah, flip a switch. And then I133801:23:23,340 --> 01:23:25,530generate a bolt home websites,133901:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,290Adam Curry: because I've beenusing, I gotta give props to pod134001:23:28,290 --> 01:23:35,460page, which is also just a one atwo man operation. And yes.134101:23:37,290 --> 01:23:42,000Dave Jones: Dave? No, I lost youfor a second. Oh, no.134201:23:42,330 --> 01:23:44,940Adam Curry: I was saying, I wantto give props to pod page,134301:23:44,940 --> 01:23:50,490because they've been, they'vebeen adding 2.0 features. This134401:23:50,490 --> 01:23:53,220is really cool. Now in the Ithink chapters are starting to134501:23:53,220 --> 01:23:56,700show up. And you know, becausethat's just what I use for I've134601:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,040been using that I like to knowthat a small independent134701:23:59,040 --> 01:24:05,070company. And I think that's veryundervalued the value of having134801:24:05,130 --> 01:24:08,700having your homepage likebooster Graham ball. Now. I'm134901:24:08,700 --> 01:24:12,030horrible at design. And I can'teven make something that has135001:24:12,030 --> 01:24:18,360predefined templates look good.I just but it actually does for135101:24:19,380 --> 01:24:24,810for design. Oh, yeah, exactly.Yeah,135201:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,650Unknown: I want to so that's whyI have all these bells and135301:24:28,650 --> 01:24:31,590whistles, right like a portholewebsites just to make it easy,135401:24:31,620 --> 01:24:35,190as easy as possible for you. Sothat you don't need to do any I135501:24:35,190 --> 01:24:38,640don't know, get a Squarespacething or Aqua server or know135601:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,890anything about that. You canjust start it.135701:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,130Adam Curry: Do you have aregistration of domain names135801:24:44,130 --> 01:24:46,230through there as well? Or howdoes that work135901:24:46,230 --> 01:24:48,450Unknown: a couple of your customdomain to it if you want and136001:24:48,450 --> 01:24:52,710otherwise it will be an addressthat I generates. It's a simple136101:24:52,710 --> 01:24:56,040website that looks okay and itlooks nice on on mobile as well.136201:24:56,220 --> 01:24:59,730And the fun thing is you can seeyour transcript on there and it136301:24:59,730 --> 01:25:04,470will highlights what is beinggoes along nice, nice, nice and136401:25:04,470 --> 01:25:07,560also chapters as well. And theydo the same thing as well. So136501:25:07,590 --> 01:25:09,450whenever you're in a chapter youcan see all right,136601:25:09,570 --> 01:25:13,860Adam Curry: the one thing that Ifound incredibly useful. Now136701:25:13,860 --> 01:25:18,750I've been generating my shownotes in XML for ever since136801:25:18,750 --> 01:25:24,540freedom controller I guess Iwould my throat. And this136901:25:24,540 --> 01:25:29,490enabled people to create searchengines, I have to say, yes, if137001:25:29,490 --> 01:25:35,370you look at Bing it.io, whichDino put together, sir Dino De137101:25:35,370 --> 01:25:40,170anonymous, being able to go to asearch. And of course, there's137201:25:40,170 --> 01:25:44,070also the transcript search thatSteven Bell put together, I use137301:25:44,070 --> 01:25:47,730that from time to time as well.Since being a.io is only for no137401:25:47,730 --> 01:25:52,200agenda, being able to searchthrough the transcript and show137501:25:52,200 --> 01:25:57,120notes. Man, that's a gamechanger. And I feel so much more137601:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,060could be done with that, thatpeople just aren't thinking137701:26:00,060 --> 01:26:03,450about, but just from, I mean, Iuse it live during the show.137801:26:03,450 --> 01:26:06,300DeVore echo say something I haveto say. I think we talked about137901:26:06,300 --> 01:26:09,450this before, boom, you know,five years ago. Oh, there it is.138001:26:09,690 --> 01:26:12,930Click it plays the audio. Imean, these are amazing things.138101:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,850Unknown: Yeah, that's, well, nowyou mentioned it. So I also have138201:26:17,880 --> 01:26:18,840pen and paper here.138301:26:19,350 --> 01:26:22,080Adam Curry: Yeah, that's, that'sboardrooms all about brother.138401:26:22,650 --> 01:26:23,430Yeah, that's,138501:26:23,460 --> 01:26:25,650Unknown: that's a cool feature.And thinking out loud. That138601:26:25,650 --> 01:26:29,220would be an awesome feature. IfI could make something like138701:26:29,220 --> 01:26:34,830that, across all podcasts that Ihost that then have transcripts.138801:26:34,830 --> 01:26:37,740Right. So you go for somethingand then something shows up. And138901:26:37,740 --> 01:26:44,340you can immediately listen toit. Yeah, yeah. Okay, on the139001:26:44,340 --> 01:26:44,940backlog.139101:26:46,740 --> 01:26:50,940Adam Curry: So I know you have afull time job. Are you working139201:26:50,940 --> 01:26:53,640towards making this your fulltime? Occupation?139301:26:54,060 --> 01:26:57,240Unknown: This is my full time.Occupation. Oh, is this full139401:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,140time? Oh,139501:26:58,380 --> 01:27:00,420Adam Curry: I thought I thoughtlast time I thought when I heard139601:27:00,420 --> 01:27:03,390you on like pod news weeklyreview. You still had a day job?139701:27:04,050 --> 01:27:09,060Unknown: No, no, that might besome somebody else. So. So like139801:27:09,060 --> 01:27:13,440I said, I make my money withonline courses. Stingray. Okay.139901:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,650Yeah. And those things, youknow, those are separate from140001:27:16,650 --> 01:27:20,910the effort that I put in them along time ago. Sometimes I need140101:27:20,910 --> 01:27:23,610to update them. That's true.That doesn't cause thought140201:27:23,610 --> 01:27:23,790that's140301:27:23,790 --> 01:27:25,950Adam Curry: like an ongoingrevenue that you get from that140401:27:25,950 --> 01:27:29,040stuff. Exactly. Yeah. How do Iget into that? I like that140501:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,840sounds. Give me some work, man.Let me narrate some stuff.140601:27:33,900 --> 01:27:34,770That's what I'm good at.140701:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,540Unknown: Yeah, so so thatprovides me with time to make140801:27:39,570 --> 01:27:43,440stuff like this. So I'm doingthis full time. I've been doing140901:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,990this full time now for a year,and then some141001:27:46,020 --> 01:27:47,730Adam Curry: Wow,congratulations. And that's141101:27:47,730 --> 01:27:48,360great. Yeah.141201:27:48,930 --> 01:27:53,940Unknown: So if I do as well thisyear, then hopefully, I get141301:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,040enough revenue from both home aswell.141401:27:56,070 --> 01:27:58,140Adam Curry: You won't have to bea prostitute. And the rest of141501:27:58,140 --> 01:28:03,120the time, that's exactly what itis selling weed out of the trunk141601:28:03,120 --> 01:28:08,160of your car. Nice. Wow, that'sgreat. Man. I'm so I'm so happy141701:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,860for you. That's fantastic.That's what a success story. I141801:28:10,860 --> 01:28:12,390love it. And141901:28:12,390 --> 01:28:16,470Unknown: it also means that I donot need to take any VC money or142001:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,080stuff like that. I really do notwant to beautiful and to do142101:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,410that. You're just fullybootstrapped. And all I have is142201:28:22,410 --> 01:28:23,700time I can only go up.142301:28:24,420 --> 01:28:27,930Dave Jones: Yeah. And what isyour what is your technology142401:28:27,930 --> 01:28:31,230stack look like it at pod home?Is that? Is that a Microsoft142501:28:31,230 --> 01:28:32,070stack? Or what is that?142601:28:32,100 --> 01:28:35,040Unknown: Yeah. Yeah, Microsoftstack. So I'm very comfortable142701:28:35,040 --> 01:28:42,600with that. You know, so I run iton in Azure as well. So it is142801:28:43,470 --> 01:28:48,930ASP. Net blazer for those ofblazer. Interesting. Yeah, it's142901:28:48,930 --> 01:28:53,310very interesting, because thatmeans that I can do HTML and C143001:28:53,310 --> 01:28:58,350sharp in HTML, basically, whichis just amazing. For me, as a143101:28:58,350 --> 01:29:03,540developer. I use lots of Azurefunctions as background143201:29:03,540 --> 01:29:07,500processes that do lots of stufflike imports and process media,143301:29:07,950 --> 01:29:14,220kick off other things, AI allthat type stuff. Wow. Yeah, just143401:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,340standard Microsoft stuff. I'm143501:29:17,340 --> 01:29:19,980Dave Jones: pretty I'm prettysure you hold the distinction of143601:29:19,980 --> 01:29:23,910being the only Microsoft stackand all the podcasting if I had143701:29:23,910 --> 01:29:27,000to guess that's a wild guess.But I think I think that's143801:29:27,000 --> 01:29:27,780probably a safe143901:29:28,230 --> 01:29:30,360Adam Curry: Yeah, man. Yeah,don't you be like the cool kids144001:29:30,360 --> 01:29:31,350and use rust?144101:29:32,190 --> 01:29:33,360Dave Jones: No, no.144201:29:36,060 --> 01:29:38,640Unknown: No, just use what whatwhat's the most comfortable144301:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,890thing for you and where you'remost productive in and that's144401:29:40,890 --> 01:29:42,960for me, that's C sharp andMicrosoft stuff.144501:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,700Dave Jones: Now, I love C sharp,C sharp is basically you write144601:29:47,700 --> 01:29:50,760part of Ebro. If you don't knowthe name of something, you just144701:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,030write part of it and then youjust hit Tab 800 times until you144801:29:54,030 --> 01:30:00,930find that C sharp. If any of youany of you Still confused, add a144901:30:00,930 --> 01:30:02,640dot and do it and hit Tab again.145001:30:04,710 --> 01:30:06,810Unknown: Well, I much betterthan JavaScript, if you just145101:30:06,810 --> 01:30:09,930type something in, you know, itseems to work and then it breaks145201:30:09,930 --> 01:30:13,110down into browser. It doesn'texist or145301:30:13,110 --> 01:30:15,870Adam Curry: like me just go tochat GPT and say, Hey, build145401:30:15,870 --> 01:30:20,010this for me and Bin Python. Andthen it does something that145501:30:20,010 --> 01:30:24,150doesn't work. Okay, it neverworks. rarely, rarely does it?145601:30:24,330 --> 01:30:27,810Does it work out of the box?Rarely. But145701:30:27,870 --> 01:30:31,470Unknown: I must say, you know,we can this AI all we want, but145801:30:31,500 --> 01:30:36,330I use GitHub co pilots. And thatis basically Chet GPT. But then,145901:30:36,810 --> 01:30:40,290in developer mode, and it justhelps me a lot with, you know,146001:30:40,290 --> 01:30:41,130thinking about things. I146101:30:41,130 --> 01:30:43,170Adam Curry: know, people swearby it. I mean, when it comes to146201:30:43,170 --> 01:30:47,850language, I'm all about the LLM.That's definitely I mean,146301:30:48,390 --> 01:30:51,720there's things that LLM is dovery, very well. Oh, yeah. But146401:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,450this whole idea of the machineis going to think and it's going146501:30:54,450 --> 01:30:56,400to eat the world now. I don'tthink so.146601:30:57,450 --> 01:31:00,030Unknown: No, but it can be agreat helper for stuff like this146701:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,640techspace stuff. Yeah, that'swhat it is. Yeah,146801:31:02,670 --> 01:31:06,330Adam Curry: logic, languageconstruction is very good. One146901:31:06,330 --> 01:31:09,300of my favorite things to do islook at Bible scripture. You147001:31:09,300 --> 01:31:11,790couldn't give it a concept. Andyou know, it has so many147101:31:11,790 --> 01:31:16,140different versions of this ofthese texts, that it finds all147201:31:16,140 --> 01:31:20,850kinds of stuff, and it can writeentire sermons. It's super147301:31:20,850 --> 01:31:23,220interesting. But language. Yeah,when it comes to language, it's147401:31:23,220 --> 01:31:24,060not bad at all.147501:31:24,510 --> 01:31:27,690Unknown: I'm just go ahead doesdo a good job there, or does it147601:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,680hallucinate stuff?147701:31:30,450 --> 01:31:35,010Adam Curry: Well, that's a goodquestion. Because I'm sure you147801:31:35,010 --> 01:31:38,340know, that's interesting. Ithink there's so much written147901:31:38,820 --> 01:31:43,140that it doesn't have to, I thinkthe hallucination that happens148001:31:43,140 --> 01:31:46,680when it doesn't have an answer,or it doesn't have doesn't have148101:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,520the data.148201:31:48,630 --> 01:31:50,820Dave Jones: It doesn't referencethe book of third Moses.148301:31:51,300 --> 01:31:53,310Adam Curry: That will beawesome, wouldn't it? Yeah.148401:31:55,380 --> 01:32:03,960Rewrite Revelation where it'sall good. Okay. So yeah, no, I'm148501:32:03,990 --> 01:32:07,860but I have to continue to disAI, because I just don't see the148601:32:07,860 --> 01:32:11,280business model. I mean, you payfor a co pilot.148701:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,810Unknown: Yeah, but they are,apparently they're losing money.148801:32:16,080 --> 01:32:16,800Like, they must148901:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,070Adam Curry: be that it's theoverhead of running it. I mean,149001:32:20,070 --> 01:32:27,210I run I have 11 LLM or my startnine, which is a lot of fun. But149101:32:27,210 --> 01:32:28,680I can just see what it takes.149201:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,680Unknown: It takes a lot ofcompute power. Yeah.149301:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,590Adam Curry: And if if you wantto, so there's like an 11149401:32:34,590 --> 01:32:39,240gigabyte model. And that thatjust takes a lot more to, then149501:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,630it's slower, it's just slower,because you know, the box is149601:32:42,630 --> 01:32:47,250limitations. So be as a tradeoff, if you want something quick149701:32:47,250 --> 01:32:50,550down and dirty, then you need togo for like a two gigabyte149801:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,730model. But you know, yourresults may vary.149901:32:54,750 --> 01:32:57,450Unknown: But this will be a verytemporary thing. So this is it's150001:32:57,450 --> 01:33:00,840still extremely new, right,since that this has been150101:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,330actually working as a consumerproduct. So I believe that in150201:33:06,330 --> 01:33:09,780the years to come, this will bevery cheap to run. And then they150301:33:09,780 --> 01:33:13,710can make lots of money. And weall are in the door already. So150401:33:13,710 --> 01:33:16,110they're selling us alreadymaking us dependent on this150501:33:16,110 --> 01:33:16,740stuff. Well, the thing150601:33:16,740 --> 01:33:18,930Adam Curry: I'm skeptical aboutnot to belabor this, turn this150701:33:18,930 --> 01:33:23,010into an AI podcast, but Google,you know, Google has a very150801:33:23,010 --> 01:33:25,800successful advertising model.That's their core business.150901:33:25,800 --> 01:33:31,290That's what they do. It's $40billion a year. And I don't see151001:33:31,800 --> 01:33:39,420how you shoehorn AIfunctionality into they they151101:33:39,420 --> 01:33:44,790spent so much money onoptimizing their whole DNA is151201:33:44,820 --> 01:33:49,110this took 0.3 seconds to getthis answer. That's their entire151301:33:49,110 --> 01:33:52,170DNA. And they have to completelyand they've been doing this.151401:33:52,170 --> 01:33:55,920They've been rejiggering all oftheir data centers. I mean, the151501:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,730only people really making moneyright now is, you know, in151601:33:59,730 --> 01:34:03,030video, you know, the chip guys.And in fact that and Dave, I151701:34:03,030 --> 01:34:05,490think you told me this. That'sexactly what Sam Walton was151801:34:05,490 --> 01:34:10,170doing is he was he was working,although Devorah Audis. I think151901:34:10,170 --> 01:34:13,440correctly. DeVore X is he'scrazy. Because just to say, Oh,152001:34:13,440 --> 01:34:16,710I'm going to start a chipcompany. That's not that's a 20152101:34:16,710 --> 01:34:20,730year plan. You don't just starta chip company. And oh, I'll152201:34:20,730 --> 01:34:23,340just do AI chips is not thatsimple.152301:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,160Unknown: Yeah, I could show usdoing that now as well, their152401:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,690own AI chip. Right.152501:34:27,690 --> 01:34:29,820Adam Curry: Right. And that wasprobably part of their deal. You152601:34:29,820 --> 01:34:32,460know, they have a built inconsumer and that that's where152701:34:32,460 --> 01:34:35,640the money is. And my predictionis, it's all going to pivot to152801:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,340qubits. Everyone's going to belike, well, you know, we can't152901:34:38,340 --> 01:34:40,710really make much money we'regonna do quantum and quantum153001:34:40,710 --> 01:34:41,310computing.153101:34:42,030 --> 01:34:45,060Dave Jones: But by the time bythe time that this stuff gets153201:34:45,060 --> 01:34:51,120cheap enough to run it at scale,it will also be the the hardware153301:34:51,120 --> 01:34:59,160will also be capable enough torun the a 24 to 2436 Gig LLM on153401:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,340your hardware. Yeah. And then atthat point, you just run it153501:35:02,340 --> 01:35:06,570locally, and you don't need toscale anyway. So that's you,153601:35:06,570 --> 01:35:12,780because you if you can ship anLLM as an just in the OS, there153701:35:12,780 --> 01:35:16,170you go. There, you just don'teven need this. You don't need153801:35:16,170 --> 01:35:17,670Azure anymore. So153901:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,060Adam Curry: well, they willstart, they will work as hard as154001:35:21,060 --> 01:35:25,020they can to protect that. Pleasesee the executive order that our154101:35:25,020 --> 01:35:27,630president sign you. It's allabout that it's all about154201:35:27,810 --> 01:35:32,400blocking off and protecting theincumbents. Yeah.154301:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,780Unknown: Well, we'll see I amlooking into running my own154401:35:36,780 --> 01:35:40,560thing in the future, so that I'mnot dependent on any third party154501:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,940services. So but but let's see.We'll see how it goes. It154601:35:44,970 --> 01:35:46,260evolves quickly, please.154701:35:46,980 --> 01:35:49,500Adam Curry: Well, Barry, it's,it's been cool to have you in154801:35:49,500 --> 01:35:53,880the boardroom. Ma'am. This. As Isaid, I'm just delighted and154901:35:54,060 --> 01:35:59,550overjoyed at your success. And,you know, as I call you, you and155001:36:02,730 --> 01:36:07,650RSS blew up. It does. Yeah,your, your, your 2.0 native155101:36:07,650 --> 01:36:11,460companies. And that's veryexciting. It really is. And I155201:36:11,460 --> 01:36:14,100look forward to more, you know,some more of the stuff that you155301:36:14,100 --> 01:36:19,500put together tonight. I notbeing an AI fan, but I think155401:36:19,500 --> 01:36:24,300you're making very good usage ofMLMs to, you know, to create a155501:36:24,300 --> 01:36:27,540lot of the metadata, that mayjust be harder for some people155601:36:27,540 --> 01:36:32,790to do. I mean, even coming upwith titles and stuff. I spend155701:36:32,790 --> 01:36:35,490time on that, you know, it's notalways easy for people. That's155801:36:35,490 --> 01:36:40,170one of the main things I wouldbe great if it'd be fun to see155901:36:40,170 --> 01:36:44,940if if art could ever be createdfor chapters. Yeah, yeah.156001:36:45,030 --> 01:36:50,460Although I prefer humans I loveYeah, please. I want to make156101:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,250sure that Dred Scott doesn't getupset dread. We love you,156201:36:53,250 --> 01:36:56,070brother. We love you. We love welove what you do. You do the156301:36:56,070 --> 01:36:58,320best chapters, and I'm nevergonna replace you.156401:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,380Dave Jones: Sometimes I see achapter title from Drib. And it156501:37:01,380 --> 01:37:02,280just makes me laugh.156601:37:04,229 --> 01:37:07,049Adam Curry: I know. I know. Thatand the humor. That's the one156701:37:07,049 --> 01:37:10,949thing humor is going to be verydifficult. People using AI for156801:37:10,949 --> 01:37:14,969humor is right now is the killerapp. I mean, did you hear that?156901:37:14,969 --> 01:37:16,079You hear the Bill Gates.157001:37:16,470 --> 01:37:20,040Unknown: Ai I had. Yeah, thatwas awesome. I don't157101:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,780Adam Curry: know Dave, did youhear it? You haven't heard it?157201:37:21,780 --> 01:37:23,850No, I didn't hear some of thisonly 30 seconds.157301:37:24,270 --> 01:37:27,000Dave Jones: I'm here in Dubai.And of course I flew in on my157401:37:27,000 --> 01:37:32,640private jet. Very, veryimportant meeting. The issue of157501:37:32,670 --> 01:37:37,860you peasants eating bugs will bediscussed at length. That's157601:37:37,860 --> 01:37:42,330never gotten the attention itdeserves the issue of COVID-19157701:37:42,450 --> 01:37:45,750not killing off enough poorpeople and my vaccines not157801:37:45,750 --> 01:37:48,420weeding out the rest of youbastards, which is a tragedy of157901:37:48,420 --> 01:37:52,620course. We'll talk about usingkiller robots next chat158001:37:52,650 --> 01:37:54,180absolutely solve that problem.158101:37:55,830 --> 01:37:58,590Adam Curry: That's the best thekiller app of AI right now is158201:37:58,620 --> 01:38:01,980using it for comedic purposes.But it can't come up with the158301:38:01,980 --> 01:38:03,000jokes itself.158401:38:03,660 --> 01:38:06,630Dave Jones: Yeah, see dread drabon the last show when we talked158501:38:06,630 --> 01:38:11,070about Gilmore Girls. His hischapter title was pod the pod158601:38:11,070 --> 01:38:15,540sage visit Stars Hollow likethat's just beautiful. Yeah.158701:38:16,230 --> 01:38:18,570This the AI is not gonna there'snot going to help you158801:38:18,569 --> 01:38:20,819Adam Curry: with it. No, youcan't replace it. Shall we?158901:38:20,819 --> 01:38:25,289thank a few people. Dave. I'mgoing to look at the booster159001:38:25,289 --> 01:38:29,459grams that have come in. I thinkpeople have been so engrossed in159101:38:29,459 --> 01:38:32,399the conversation there's beenvery little boosting going on.159201:38:32,879 --> 01:38:36,449Which is not a problem. But Iwill read what I have hard hat159301:38:36,449 --> 01:38:41,0393333 That was 19 minutes ago andthen before that, it was one159401:38:41,039 --> 01:38:46,769hour ago. He says boost one hourago 1701 from source D who said159501:38:46,769 --> 01:38:51,44973 source D I expect Kyuzo fromyou kita five Alpha Charlie159601:38:51,449 --> 01:38:59,219Charlie salty crayon who sent333 And he says board room is159701:38:59,219 --> 01:39:06,719lit and I believe that is it.That's what we got live boosters159801:39:06,719 --> 01:39:12,089low low low boost winter.Where's winter burn boost?159901:39:14,010 --> 01:39:17,700Dave Jones: Yeah, we've got wehave no no one off papers this160001:39:17,700 --> 01:39:21,780week. But we do have some boostswe got 33 333 through from Dred160101:39:21,780 --> 01:39:24,990Scott. Thank you. Director yoCatherine dribs says howdy David160201:39:24,990 --> 01:39:27,660Adam and Hi there podcastlisteners. I'd like to invite160301:39:27,660 --> 01:39:31,500you to check out and subscribeto CSB dot lol which features160401:39:31,500 --> 01:39:34,980hilarious cartoons just ever tohead over to see his beat up lol160501:39:34,980 --> 01:39:36,510and get ready to laugh. Drib160601:39:36,540 --> 01:39:40,080Adam Curry: Wow. This isinteresting. Marketing CSB has160701:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,120gotten dragged to promote him. Ilove it.160801:39:42,750 --> 01:39:47,100Dave Jones: Or CSB is pretendingto be Drib which could also be160901:39:47,670 --> 01:39:49,620Adam Curry: doesn't seem likehis style.161001:39:50,070 --> 01:39:52,410Dave Jones: It doesn't. Itdoesn't but it is very it's161101:39:52,410 --> 01:39:57,480still part of technicallypossible. Yes. Thank you Jerry.161201:39:58,410 --> 01:40:02,220Via 5000 sunsets throughfountain he says, wasn't161301:40:02,220 --> 01:40:05,550listening live. So I don't knowif anyone was awake. But I for161401:40:05,550 --> 01:40:08,880sure enjoy the rest talk. Theunwrapping sounds like tagged161501:40:08,880 --> 01:40:13,050unions for kids, which is greatlove to hear traditional161601:40:13,050 --> 01:40:16,170imperative coders get slowlyfeature by feature sucked into161701:40:16,170 --> 01:40:18,210the magical world of functionalprogramming.161801:40:18,750 --> 01:40:20,580Adam Curry: Yes, I'm glad Icould participate in that161901:40:20,580 --> 01:40:21,390conversation.162001:40:21,480 --> 01:40:23,550Dave Jones: I feel you're a bigfan of functional programming.162101:40:23,580 --> 01:40:25,350Adam Curry: It's one of myfavorites. I mean, you know,162201:40:25,350 --> 01:40:29,070besides tabbing 1000 times toget to the right answer and C162301:40:29,070 --> 01:40:32,100sharp, it's yeah, I'm all aboutthe functional thing. Yeah.162401:40:32,370 --> 01:40:36,210Dave Jones: And don't forgetdots mean, dots. Yes, mere162501:40:36,210 --> 01:40:39,750mortals podcast 2222. Throughfountain he says, a car and he162601:40:39,750 --> 01:40:43,020says I'm focusing a lot more onConvos. Again, and especially162701:40:43,020 --> 01:40:45,690those involved with value forvalue. Are there any questions162801:40:45,690 --> 01:40:48,330or themes you would like tohear? Where you think are162901:40:48,330 --> 01:40:51,420lacking from the general Convowould love your thoughts go163001:40:51,420 --> 01:40:52,110podcasting?163101:40:53,310 --> 01:40:57,300Adam Curry: First of all,Podcast. I'm sure I don't know.163201:40:57,300 --> 01:41:01,050Barry, you got anything that youthat you'd like as a combo163301:41:01,050 --> 01:41:06,780topic? I don't know. I mean, I'mnot sure I'm I'm always163401:41:06,780 --> 01:41:09,600delighted by the surprisingconversations that you have163501:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,620Kyron so I haven't No, nodemands.163601:41:14,670 --> 01:41:19,440Dave Jones: I would love to heara devil's advocate. I would love163701:41:19,440 --> 01:41:24,570to hear some ever ever serialback and forth about it. I don't163801:41:24,570 --> 01:41:26,700think it'll work and thenshowing that it does.163901:41:27,210 --> 01:41:30,450Adam Curry: Yeah, we need moreadversity online was not enough.164001:41:30,480 --> 01:41:30,660Yeah,164101:41:30,659 --> 01:41:32,579Dave Jones: no, that's okay. Iforget it. Forget it. Take it164201:41:32,579 --> 01:41:38,129back. Take it back. Cut that outin post? I don't think so. dribs164301:41:38,129 --> 01:41:47,219got 12345 There Kira Castro. Hesays, Boo Steen. See the164401:41:47,219 --> 01:41:52,589nonnamous 5000 sets the podverse. He or she says reply164501:41:52,589 --> 01:41:55,199addresses and boosts nowawesome. If we could one day164601:41:55,199 --> 01:42:00,809replace email with boostergrams. Yeah, that's Hey,164701:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,260Adam Curry: I'm ready for thereplies man, I am ready for it.164801:42:04,290 --> 01:42:05,580We'll get there eventually.164901:42:06,450 --> 01:42:08,910Dave Jones: Eric pap is banginghis head against it. He's he's165001:42:08,910 --> 01:42:09,810working on it. Yeah,165101:42:09,810 --> 01:42:12,930Adam Curry: I know is my guydoing all that and how LeapPad165201:42:12,930 --> 01:42:17,400is such a beautiful product.It's it's like I use it all day165301:42:17,430 --> 01:42:17,850long.165401:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,650Dave Jones: another shiningexample of my, my fantastic UI165501:42:22,650 --> 01:42:24,120style skills. It's165601:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,100Adam Curry: actually one of yourbetter UI.165701:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,270Dave Jones: Because I know whatyou're trying to compliment.165801:42:30,270 --> 01:42:31,620It's actually not a customer.What do165901:42:31,620 --> 01:42:35,430Adam Curry: you mean that was acompliment? If you've evolved166001:42:35,430 --> 01:42:35,700board166101:42:35,700 --> 01:42:39,030Dave Jones: bugs with Sharpie onit is what that is.166201:42:39,060 --> 01:42:41,940Adam Curry: It's veryfunctional. I like it a lot. And166301:42:41,940 --> 01:42:46,440ever since you taught me how toimport a CSV file into Excel to166401:42:46,440 --> 01:42:49,770create a Pivot Table. My lifehas never been the same. It's166501:42:49,770 --> 01:42:51,480just beautiful. Baby166601:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,819Dave Jones: this dress looksmakes it look fast. No, you look166701:42:53,819 --> 01:42:54,869very functional.166801:42:56,070 --> 01:42:57,960Adam Curry: Wow, I'll try thattonight.166901:42:59,670 --> 01:43:04,170Dave Jones: Sir Brian of London21 948 YO YO THROUGH cast ematic167001:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,650he says the tone of this messagehas been checked by AI and167101:43:07,650 --> 01:43:09,690verified, friendly andsupportive. You know,167201:43:09,719 --> 01:43:13,079Adam Curry: I got a lot ofpeople commenting on that. Then167301:43:13,079 --> 01:43:16,259when we ran comments, yourblogger through the through chat167401:43:16,259 --> 01:43:22,439GPT Okay, people love that.There were people like trying to167501:43:22,469 --> 01:43:26,009automate it, you know, so theycan have a sub commentator167601:43:26,009 --> 01:43:29,789Blogger account. Like when hewhen he when he when he posts167701:43:29,789 --> 01:43:34,349something that would create a amirror of him speaking nicely.167801:43:35,429 --> 01:43:37,439As be ad167901:43:37,439 --> 01:43:41,429Dave Jones: friendly, CSV. Thatwas great. It was great. Phantom168001:43:41,429 --> 01:43:45,779power music 10,000 says throughtrue fans, he says market168101:43:45,809 --> 01:43:48,359Ainsley Costello please. Oh,168201:43:48,660 --> 01:43:50,460Adam Curry: yes, I need to givean update. I had the168301:43:50,460 --> 01:43:53,730conversation with the $30million dollar media company168401:43:53,730 --> 01:43:57,660guy. Okay. And he did notunderstand that all what I was168501:43:57,660 --> 01:44:02,520talking about, although we areunder he, I mean, we got into he168601:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,710gave me his vision, which Iunderstand. And I said, Well,168701:44:07,740 --> 01:44:11,730you know, I think it's, I don'tthink it's a good idea to put168801:44:11,730 --> 01:44:16,050money into content creation,that's a good way to spend all168901:44:16,050 --> 01:44:22,830your money. And, and, you know,he had he has a vision. And I169001:44:22,830 --> 01:44:28,530said, Well, you know, I'm happyto help and advise but you'll169101:44:28,530 --> 01:44:32,190get you know, you'll getpushback from me and then he169201:44:32,190 --> 01:44:35,070asked me to be an advisor whichI said I would definitely169301:44:35,070 --> 01:44:39,510consider because anything I cando mainly the music thing is169401:44:39,510 --> 01:44:44,220what interested him but he didput in the the T word in his169501:44:44,220 --> 01:44:45,150conversation.169601:44:46,979 --> 01:44:48,539Dave Jones: He has a nice term169701:44:48,570 --> 01:44:49,650Adam Curry: now as in tipping.169801:44:50,489 --> 01:44:53,489Dave Jones: Oh, and dagger to169901:44:53,490 --> 01:44:57,810Adam Curry: the heart. And yeah,that did hurt a little bit. But170001:44:58,890 --> 01:45:04,110I will continue to do My best topromote value for value and all170101:45:04,110 --> 01:45:10,050I really want is I want a mediacompany to market existing shows170201:45:10,050 --> 01:45:13,410products services apps that arein our ecosystem. That's my170301:45:13,410 --> 01:45:16,770mission and I continue to be onit and the combo has been170401:45:16,770 --> 01:45:17,220opened.170501:45:19,050 --> 01:45:22,800Dave Jones: Nicholas besides5822 to 22 through fountain says170601:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,650great episode even three monthslater Oh heat This is in170701:45:25,650 --> 01:45:32,670reference. This is a boost forepisode 150 Wow He says I'm170801:45:32,670 --> 01:45:34,500catching up greetings fromSwitzerland.170901:45:34,740 --> 01:45:37,080Adam Curry: Oh, all right. Godthank you.171001:45:38,820 --> 01:45:41,160Dave Jones: At Nick's and it's20 to 22 Road ducks through171101:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,130found he says God is sitting upat the top with a lot of remote171201:45:44,130 --> 01:45:53,280items and as good as one laughout loud. See, pit Pauling 1111171301:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,160Central Richards the through podverse he says Happy New Year.171401:45:56,460 --> 01:46:00,870Happy New Year's coming to doyour two. Oh Nicholas B 58.171501:46:00,870 --> 01:46:04,650Again, coming back throughfountain with 12121 This is171601:46:04,650 --> 01:46:08,040because I had to listen on mybrowser you get this boost.171701:46:08,550 --> 01:46:16,140Okay, nice. Karen. To see 20 to22. Again these podcasts guru171801:46:16,140 --> 01:46:21,090says You guys are amazing,Padre. And the delimiter171901:46:21,180 --> 01:46:28,110chemistry blogger 32,000 setsthrough fountain he says how do172001:46:28,110 --> 01:46:34,740Jesus followers David Adam. I'dlike to invite your audience to172101:46:34,740 --> 01:46:39,930follow me on Twitter or x.com Myuser name there is CSB, just172201:46:39,930 --> 01:46:44,040three letters. Any follower whofollows me there for 33 days or172301:46:44,040 --> 01:46:48,420longer will get from me $1 paidin Bitcoin Satoshis just letting172401:46:48,420 --> 01:46:52,140me know 33 days after followingme and I'll transfer via invoice172501:46:52,170 --> 01:46:54,750or lightning address yo CSB. No.172601:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,850Adam Curry: All right, payingpeople to listen, that's172701:46:56,850 --> 01:46:58,500interesting. It's172801:46:58,500 --> 01:47:02,250Dave Jones: becoming an ETF.It's like a CSV ETS. Yeah. Yeah.172901:47:03,420 --> 01:47:06,030Adam Curry: Basically what he iswe got some I was gonna say,173001:47:06,510 --> 01:47:12,180late to Lake live booster gramscome in from Dred Scott 45678173101:47:12,180 --> 01:47:16,770Beautiful drip. Thank youappreciate that. Also a 4567173201:47:16,770 --> 01:47:21,450from Dred Scott. He says loveyou to Adam. And here's one for173301:47:22,500 --> 01:47:26,790here's one for Barry. Nathan G.2222. Love to hear your thoughts173401:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,930on a dedicated podcasting 2.0services for HLS live streaming.173501:47:34,260 --> 01:47:36,840We didn't even talk about wedidn't even talk about the about173601:47:36,840 --> 01:47:42,300live and lit stuff. In video.Barry want to get together?173701:47:42,390 --> 01:47:45,360Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to get afew more minutes. Sure.173801:47:45,960 --> 01:47:50,550Unknown: I do. So I have this,like backlog thing I used to do173901:47:50,550 --> 01:47:53,130lists. I don't know if you knowthat, that it's like a to do174001:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,100thing. What's it called? To DoList to174101:47:56,100 --> 01:47:58,530Adam Curry: do it, I loved Ilove these types of things. I'm174201:47:58,530 --> 01:48:00,210gonna write that down. That'swhy I store174301:48:00,210 --> 01:48:03,390Unknown: my whole life in ifit's not in there, I don't do174401:48:03,390 --> 01:48:07,170it. That's it's that simple. Iforget it. So I have this list174501:48:07,170 --> 01:48:13,350of backlog in progress, bugs,and chips. And so on the174601:48:13,350 --> 01:48:17,520backlog, there is life item thatis in there. And it is getting174701:48:17,520 --> 01:48:22,110close to going into in progress.So I really want to do that.174801:48:22,110 --> 01:48:25,770Because I also want to create alive show. That's basically174901:48:25,800 --> 01:48:30,210that's the motivation,basically, I really want to do175001:48:30,210 --> 01:48:32,940that. And I'm trying to thinkabout what the best way of175101:48:32,970 --> 01:48:38,280actually doing that is because Idon't want to have acids where175201:48:38,280 --> 01:48:42,090you say, Well, I have this lifeservice that I use somewhere.175301:48:42,660 --> 01:48:49,290And then I put that in here inpod home into some the URL in a175401:48:49,530 --> 01:48:50,400in a box. And175501:48:50,399 --> 01:48:53,219Dave Jones: that's it. So thebudget copy and pasting. Yeah,175601:48:53,429 --> 01:48:54,659yeah. So I want175701:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,350Unknown: to create, indeed,natively within bolt home so175801:48:58,350 --> 01:49:00,690that you don't have to leavebolt home to actually do that.175901:49:01,290 --> 01:49:06,900And that means providing, indeeda streaming service, and server.176001:49:07,710 --> 01:49:10,710So I'm thinking about that, butit will come definitely and176101:49:10,710 --> 01:49:12,990definitely this year. Yes. Okay,cool.176201:49:13,020 --> 01:49:15,810Adam Curry: I mean, I think Ithink that's a big one, and a176301:49:15,810 --> 01:49:19,980big different differentiator tohave the actual streaming176401:49:19,980 --> 01:49:25,500service. Yeah, available. Ithink that would be huge. And176501:49:25,500 --> 01:49:28,050there's so many cool things. Imean, the one thing that I'm176601:49:28,050 --> 01:49:32,460still looking for, just as justthrowing it out there. So I have176701:49:32,490 --> 01:49:34,710I have my own stream. It'sactually offline right now, I176801:49:34,710 --> 01:49:39,330think, but my own stream and Ijust put a whole playlist in176901:49:39,330 --> 01:49:44,310there of Bookstagram balls. Iwould love for there to be an177001:49:44,310 --> 01:49:48,480RSS feed that dynamically adaptswhatever the Oh says, Oh, this177101:49:48,480 --> 01:49:52,380is the show. Click. Here's thevalue time splits for that show.177201:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,210Though when people are listeningto an to a stream, a live stream177301:49:57,210 --> 01:50:03,150that is archived that the alivevalue time splits will WebSocket177401:50:03,150 --> 01:50:07,770and make it work. Yeah, yeah,yeah, that's what I said. Yeah.177501:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,230Radio. Yes. I'm sorry. It'scalled Radio. Right.177601:50:11,729 --> 01:50:15,359Unknown: That's the idea. No,but yeah, but yeah, that is, it177701:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,739is a good idea. And I amthinking about it. And that will177801:50:19,859 --> 01:50:23,339this year it will be audio only?Yeah, sure. Yeah.177901:50:24,180 --> 01:50:26,310Dave Jones: i That's the best.That's the best way to develop178001:50:26,310 --> 01:50:29,430any features when you the onethere when when you want it for178101:50:29,430 --> 01:50:32,910yourself, because they knowbuild it? Well. Right. True.178201:50:33,270 --> 01:50:33,780True.178301:50:34,770 --> 01:50:38,100Unknown: And I know people wantvideo because they want to be on178401:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,330YouTube or something. I don'twant to be on YouTube, because I178501:50:42,330 --> 01:50:46,800just get censored anyways. Butbut that's what I know is a178601:50:46,800 --> 01:50:53,250video or I do think video has aplace, you know, at least for178701:50:53,640 --> 01:50:59,070discoverability. And theyoungsters are all watching the178801:50:59,070 --> 01:51:06,870videos badly. So I will probablyadd video capabilities as in you178901:51:06,870 --> 01:51:12,660can just upload video, if youhave it. And then I will extract179001:51:12,660 --> 01:51:15,330the audio from there as wellprocess it and do all the fancy179101:51:15,330 --> 01:51:23,190things I do already with it. Butthen add the video in what's it179201:51:23,190 --> 01:51:27,390called alternate enclosure. Sothat's apps like because179301:51:27,390 --> 01:51:30,360apparently there are a bunch ofapps that already do this. As we179401:51:30,360 --> 01:51:35,460saw with Ainsley event, yes. Anddo it well, so that people can179501:51:35,460 --> 01:51:39,630just, you know, choose what theywant to look at. And it179601:51:39,630 --> 01:51:42,870shouldn't be that difficult. Itjust takes a lot of storage179701:51:42,870 --> 01:51:47,760power. And I need to figure outhow to do that efficiently. IPFS179801:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,110man, yeah,179901:51:49,230 --> 01:51:51,870Dave Jones: if long term storagepower. That's a great,180001:51:52,110 --> 01:51:54,570Adam Curry: that's a good title.Actually, I was looking at big180101:51:54,570 --> 01:51:58,770blob of JSON, but I thinkstorage power is better storage180201:51:59,190 --> 01:52:03,000way storage powers just as astorage power,180301:52:03,330 --> 01:52:05,940Dave Jones: though. There it is.You know, we get some monthlies180401:52:05,970 --> 01:52:09,540we I don't want to forget abouthim. Yes. Got Chris Callen. $5.180501:52:09,540 --> 01:52:14,130Terry Keller, $5. Mitch from podverse $10. Thank you,180601:52:14,160 --> 01:52:19,620Christopher hyperbaric $10 Thankyou, Chris. Lauren ball. $24.20.180701:52:19,620 --> 01:52:23,880Thank you, Lauren. BasilPhillips $25. Thank you basil180801:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,930and pod verse $50. Thank you,Mitch and Kreon. Yes,180901:52:27,929 --> 01:52:31,979Adam Curry: thank you all verymuch. This is value for value. I181001:52:31,979 --> 01:52:35,609keep forgetting. It was it was achat F who did our numbers for181101:52:35,609 --> 01:52:36,809the past three years.181201:52:38,580 --> 01:52:41,730Dave Jones: I can't Yeah, yeah.Can I want to talk about that?181301:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,850I've got that on my list. List.It's just me and you next week.181401:52:44,850 --> 01:52:46,140Let's talk about that next week.Okay,181501:52:46,140 --> 01:52:49,920Adam Curry: good. Because that,definitely, but I love value for181601:52:49,920 --> 01:52:54,210value value for value was so theway to go. As long. What do we181701:52:54,210 --> 01:52:57,120have now? We have 5000 peoplelistening to the show.181801:52:58,320 --> 01:53:00,990Dave Jones: Oh, in op threeknows, like 8000?181901:53:01,020 --> 01:53:03,900Adam Curry: Oh, 8000. Okay,that's our total audience.182001:53:04,499 --> 01:53:08,759Dave Jones: 8617 in December.Nice.182101:53:09,090 --> 01:53:12,600Adam Curry: Nice. Okay, we'lltalk about that next week. And182201:53:12,750 --> 01:53:14,100but in the meantime, 40%182301:53:14,099 --> 01:53:15,209Dave Jones: of them arelistening right now I182401:53:15,210 --> 01:53:19,860Adam Curry: know. I know, it'sthat last 10% No one's listening182501:53:19,860 --> 01:53:24,810right now. Just true. Value forvalue, go to podcast index.org.182601:53:24,810 --> 01:53:28,350Down at the bottom of the page,there are two big red buttons.182701:53:28,350 --> 01:53:32,490One is to take you to tallycoin, where still nobody is182801:53:32,490 --> 01:53:37,020sending us any on chain Bitcoin.Maybe because of the fees or182901:53:37,020 --> 01:53:41,070whatever. But I'm glad we didit. Not since the 27th of183001:53:41,070 --> 01:53:43,980October. The other one is foryour Fiat fun coupons through183101:53:43,980 --> 01:53:47,130PayPal, we appreciate that aswell as long as his value for183201:53:47,130 --> 01:53:49,560value. And of course, I don'teven have to mention how many183301:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,280people help out with time andtreasure of a talent along with183401:53:53,310 --> 01:53:56,160the treasure. And what we reallywant you to do is go to podcast183501:53:56,160 --> 01:54:00,930apps.com Get yourself a modernpodcast app and and join the183601:54:00,930 --> 01:54:03,990revolution because it really isa revolution. It's making a lot183701:54:03,990 --> 01:54:06,060of difference. I sound like LeoLaporte want to do that. But I183801:54:06,060 --> 01:54:12,390should stop. And thank you allvery much for being here in the183901:54:12,390 --> 01:54:15,720boardroom. Barry. Brother, thankyou so much for all you're184001:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,330doing, man it was this wasenjoyable conversation. I liked184101:54:18,330 --> 01:54:18,780it a lot.184201:54:19,290 --> 01:54:22,380Unknown: Yes, very much for forhaving me on. And just as a184301:54:22,380 --> 01:54:25,440final thing. I know nobody'slistening anymore now. Yeah. So184401:54:25,440 --> 01:54:30,060it's the perfect time to saythis. Yes. Just if you go to pot184501:54:30,060 --> 01:54:34,920homebuilt FM, and you sign up,use the promo code, go184601:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,260podcasting, go podcasting184701:54:38,820 --> 01:54:41,880Adam Curry: for free. Okay, andwhat do you get for promo code184801:54:41,880 --> 01:54:48,060bond Gino? That's the questioneveryone wants to know. Now184901:54:48,060 --> 01:54:52,410please don't please. Dave, mybrother, thank you so much. We185001:54:52,410 --> 01:54:55,440appreciate you man. Love you somuch. Yeah, absolutely. Brother.185101:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,480Have a good weekend. Okay,everybody in the boardroom.185201:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,970Thank you for being here. Wereturned next Friday with an185301:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,420other board meeting ofpodcasting 2.0 We'll see you185401:55:03,420 --> 01:55:04,920there. Take care everybody byebye185501:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,730Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 to visit185601:55:26,730 --> 01:55:30,120podcast index.org For moreinformation