Episode 161: Cooking with Sterno

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,580Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0for December 29 2023 Episode 161200:00:05,580 --> 00:00:12,570We're good with sterno allhohoho hello everybody welcome300:00:12,570 --> 00:00:17,100to podcasting 2.0 The officialboard meeting that encompasses400:00:17,100 --> 00:00:20,310all of podcasting go nowhereelse all you need to be is right500:00:20,310 --> 00:00:23,670here the only boardroom that hasmeetings during vacations and600:00:23,670 --> 00:00:26,760holidays. Oh yes, you want toknow what's happening what the700:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,820latest is what's going on withthe index with the namespace all800:00:29,820 --> 00:00:32,730the discussion to podcast indexon social you came to the right900:00:32,730 --> 00:00:35,610place I'm Adam curry here in theheart of the Texas Hill Country1000:00:35,610 --> 00:00:39,690and in Alabama, the man who'sprettifying the index one rust1100:00:39,690 --> 00:00:43,410code line at a time say hello tomy friend on the other end the1200:00:43,410 --> 00:00:45,960one and only Mr. Day1300:00:48,930 --> 00:00:52,470Dave Jones: barely made it. ButI got it. I got a piece I got a1400:00:52,470 --> 00:00:56,100big chunk of tape, copper tapebetween the road caster and my1500:00:56,100 --> 00:00:57,060USBC cable.1600:00:57,150 --> 00:00:59,040Adam Curry: I gotta I gotta getsome of that that sounds like a1700:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,670really good idea. Instead of thefair IQs1800:01:03,150 --> 00:01:06,120Dave Jones: there's like a rollit comes in a roll so like it1900:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,400looks like it's the size of ducttape. But it's it's just copper2000:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,320foil so here's why I got it2100:01:15,390 --> 00:01:17,130Adam Curry: yeah, I was gonnasay what do you typically buy2200:01:17,130 --> 00:01:20,670that for not to not to shieldyour USB cables no doubt2300:01:21,570 --> 00:01:27,270Dave Jones: about it to linesorry, though to line the inside2400:01:27,270 --> 00:01:32,580of my guitar, electronicscavities where they route the2500:01:32,580 --> 00:01:38,910guitar body out because guitarsthey're not balanced balanced2600:01:38,910 --> 00:01:40,080input same things2700:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,090Adam Curry: you got to you gotto pick up literally a pickup2800:01:42,090 --> 00:01:45,300that is there to pick up allkinds of stuff. Yeah, noise2900:01:45,900 --> 00:01:48,150Dave Jones: guitar electricguitars are basically noise3000:01:48,150 --> 00:01:49,620amplifiers. Yes.3100:01:50,010 --> 00:01:53,160Adam Curry: We discovered a Davehad a little weird noise how the3200:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,540road caster and I immediatelysaid move the USB cable. And he3300:01:57,540 --> 00:01:59,670did and it worked was great. Itwas3400:01:59,670 --> 00:02:02,460Dave Jones: like magic. Andimmediately it was gone. But the3500:02:02,460 --> 00:02:06,660problem is my USBC cable. Yeah,is always already stretched to3600:02:06,660 --> 00:02:10,860his limit. So okay, wanting toalways go back and rest on top3700:02:10,860 --> 00:02:15,270of the XLR jack. So I just putsome copper foil there. I feel3800:02:15,270 --> 00:02:17,160like we're in good shape. I knowI don't hear any hizzy3900:02:17,190 --> 00:02:20,250Adam Curry: I think I need someof this copper foil tape to keep4000:02:20,250 --> 00:02:21,780my tinfoil hat in place.4100:02:23,820 --> 00:02:26,400Dave Jones: You basically make abuild up yeah, what the hell4200:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,480this thing's what's the roomsthat you make out a coil? Oh, I4300:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,850Adam Curry: mean a FaradayFaraday cage Faraday cage. Yeah.4400:02:32,850 --> 00:02:32,940You're4500:02:32,940 --> 00:02:34,140Dave Jones: gonna Faraday cageyour head.4600:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,130Adam Curry: Well, Dave, here weare. It's the end of the year.4700:02:38,130 --> 00:02:44,070It's another year of podcasting.2.0 We're still friends. I love4800:02:44,070 --> 00:02:48,060that. We've been friends now. Isthis our 13th year 14th year? No4900:02:48,090 --> 00:02:51,600more even maybe? Oh, 14th year Ithink5000:02:52,650 --> 00:02:55,650Dave Jones: we started tofreedom controller what? 2010 or5100:02:55,650 --> 00:02:57,0602009. So I'm like, almost as5200:02:57,060 --> 00:02:58,740Adam Curry: long as two wivesput together5300:03:01,980 --> 00:03:03,360Dave Jones: we've never had afun never.5400:03:03,390 --> 00:03:05,700Adam Curry: We never had afight. Actually never. I don't5500:03:05,700 --> 00:03:07,620think we've ever had a fight. I5600:03:07,620 --> 00:03:10,740Dave Jones: can't remember one.No, no, it was it was a tiny5700:03:10,740 --> 00:03:12,660one. And I don't remember and Imoved on fast.5800:03:13,590 --> 00:03:15,690Adam Curry: Implying that it wasmy fault. Nice.5900:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,150Dave Jones: You took the bait6000:03:20,700 --> 00:03:24,660Adam Curry: was It was funlistening to some of the year6100:03:24,660 --> 00:03:30,060end shows? Listening to Todd andRob and then listening to the6200:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,780podcast industrial complex onthe although somehow they6300:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,150slipped you in? How did you getin the door?6400:03:37,980 --> 00:03:40,500Dave Jones: See, I just I'vegotten pretty good at that about6500:03:40,590 --> 00:03:44,640just it's like do you rememberin the office when that? That6600:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,060woman she just went and sat inthe office and set up all our6700:03:48,060 --> 00:03:51,810stuff in nobody in? She justbecame the manager just because6800:03:51,810 --> 00:03:55,170she interloper. Yeah, exactly. Ijust interlocked my way into6900:03:55,200 --> 00:03:55,800into various7000:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,690Adam Curry: podcasts this year.Yeah, that was good. That was7100:03:57,690 --> 00:03:59,640good. I'd like that. Butotherwise, like, we don't7200:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,290Dave Jones: know why he's here.But I guess we'll play him7300:04:01,290 --> 00:04:01,740anyway.7400:04:01,950 --> 00:04:05,610Adam Curry: And then was the themedia roundtable which is just7500:04:05,610 --> 00:04:08,790it's become a favorite. Listen,I don't want to say hey, I don't7600:04:08,790 --> 00:04:11,820want to say hate listen, becauseI don't I don't hate them at7700:04:11,820 --> 00:04:14,880all. No, not at all, you know,but I just listened to him. And7800:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,710I, I feel I felt bad. Becauseeveryone's you know, kind of7900:04:19,740 --> 00:04:23,430demure, and you know, it's allgoing down. And we don't know8000:04:23,430 --> 00:04:27,060how to count downloads orimpressions or whatever. We8100:04:27,060 --> 00:04:31,230don't know what to countanymore. And it's confusing and8200:04:31,530 --> 00:04:35,700people aren't buying ads. And wehave to go I do like the term8300:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,600NTR this is a good one. I thinkJames who was on the roundtable8400:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,270he came with NTR what is that?Oh, non traditional revenue. Oh,8500:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,620I like to like it. I like NTRYeah. And TR and they just use8600:04:49,620 --> 00:04:53,070it as an acronym. I had neverheard of it before. Well, yes, I8700:04:53,070 --> 00:04:56,820think NTR so basically, thatmeans everything except8800:04:56,820 --> 00:05:00,360advertising and value for valuefor some reason. It was like Oh,8900:05:02,040 --> 00:05:11,970Nick the red. What? Which wasinteresting, because not nary a9000:05:11,970 --> 00:05:14,220mention of value for value.9100:05:14,940 --> 00:05:18,150Dave Jones: No, no, I waslistening closely. And I liked9200:05:18,150 --> 00:05:21,990the media roundtable too,because it's like a it's like a9300:05:21,990 --> 00:05:25,470window into the mind of thepodcast industrial complex into9400:05:25,470 --> 00:05:25,620the9500:05:25,620 --> 00:05:30,060Adam Curry: dark soul. The soulis dark hole of the podcast9600:05:30,060 --> 00:05:32,340industrial complex. You'restaring9700:05:32,340 --> 00:05:35,850Dave Jones: weakly into complexplaces hold9800:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,850Unknown: the abyss. Yes. And9900:05:38,850 --> 00:05:40,020Dave Jones: it's depressingsometimes.10000:05:40,050 --> 00:05:45,840Adam Curry: Yeah. I'm so amazedby again. We'll get to that. I10100:05:45,840 --> 00:05:48,870think you have some clips. SoI'll reserve my comments,10200:05:49,050 --> 00:05:52,050perhaps until you play those sowe can just because we got a lot10300:05:52,050 --> 00:05:53,370of other stuff to talk about.10400:05:53,970 --> 00:05:54,840Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.10500:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,970Adam Curry: You want to playthese clips? Your viewers10600:05:56,970 --> 00:05:59,760because Mr. does that stand formedia roundtable?10700:06:00,270 --> 00:06:04,110Dave Jones: It does. C standsfor let's just10800:06:04,110 --> 00:06:05,790Adam Curry: get it out of theway so we can move forward and10900:06:05,790 --> 00:06:07,230get ready for 2024.11000:06:07,830 --> 00:06:12,480Dave Jones: Okay, so the, youknow, we've been on this on this11100:06:12,480 --> 00:06:19,320tip million on the tip of what,what is the real reason why11200:06:19,830 --> 00:06:25,380podcasts wide, the term podcastis getting redefined writing11300:06:26,040 --> 00:06:31,770anything, especially YouTubevideos. And they sort of they11400:06:31,770 --> 00:06:34,080always dance around when I saythey I mean, the podcast11500:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,170industrial complex, which thepodcast industrial complex for11600:06:37,170 --> 00:06:42,570these, for purposes of thisdiscussion, is I'm defining as11700:06:43,050 --> 00:06:48,900the digital the digitaladvertising, ie buyers, and11800:06:48,900 --> 00:06:51,000brokers and agencies11900:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,690Adam Curry: and researchers, andresearchers and press.12000:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,800Dave Jones: And press yes. Allof the everybody attached to12100:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,720digital advertising, who is thenlayered on top of the podcast12200:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,120infrastructure. So they'rebasically using podcasting as12300:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,550just another digital advertisingchannel. So they don't have any12400:07:14,970 --> 00:07:20,700really inherent loyalty topodcasting as, as a medium. It's12500:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,400just, they just happen to bethere tomorrow, it can be12600:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,940something else. So we know that,you know, they say these things12700:07:26,940 --> 00:07:32,070in in this way. But this is likethe clearest example that I've12800:07:32,070 --> 00:07:37,350heard they there. They get onthis talk about what what does12900:07:37,350 --> 00:07:41,880it wasn't mean for YouTubevideos to be called podcast. And13000:07:42,870 --> 00:07:46,800sky Pillsbury, who writes anewsletter was on there. And she13100:07:46,890 --> 00:07:47,190actually13200:07:47,190 --> 00:07:49,680Adam Curry: liked her the bestI'd liked her the best of all13300:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,990the people I heard. Yeah, shewas interesting. I'm not heard13400:07:51,990 --> 00:07:53,850of before. Yeah, great name,too.13500:07:56,250 --> 00:07:59,910Dave Jones: So she was sayingthat, that she's got a real13600:07:59,910 --> 00:08:03,090problem with her, she hates thefact that this the YouTube13700:08:03,090 --> 00:08:07,800videos are being calledpodcasts. And this in this13800:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,740discussion ensues, whichcontains basically the clearest13900:08:13,740 --> 00:08:20,460explanation of the way thisthing works. And then and then14000:08:20,460 --> 00:08:24,810she she asks a follow up, and itclarifies it even more. So. The14100:08:25,980 --> 00:08:32,220she they ask the host, what, youknow what the deal is with with14200:08:32,220 --> 00:08:36,240all that on the buying side? Andbasically what he says is a14300:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,380podcast is whatever you need itto be to sell it. Yeah,14400:08:40,380 --> 00:08:43,230Unknown: here's how I would lookat it, on behalf of the buying14500:08:43,230 --> 00:08:48,810community is that complexity isnot our friend. You know, if you14600:08:48,810 --> 00:08:54,060think about, I think that, thatlarge agencies and large brands14700:08:54,060 --> 00:08:56,730have to create a bunch of rules.And right now they draw their14800:08:56,730 --> 00:09:00,750lines, all different places. Sosome people put podcasts in14900:09:00,750 --> 00:09:03,510their radio line items, somepeople put it under digital15000:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,170because they're streaming heavy.Some people have a digital audio15100:09:07,170 --> 00:09:12,270line item, but how that is codedfor a brand when they set their15200:09:12,270 --> 00:09:17,190budgets is really, reallysignificant. And, and so I15300:09:17,190 --> 00:09:20,580remember in the early days, Imean, we're really talking five15400:09:20,580 --> 00:09:24,390to 10 years ago, it was therewere a lot of networks working15500:09:24,390 --> 00:09:27,180very hard to go to MadisonAvenue meet with the big holding15600:09:27,180 --> 00:09:30,750companies and fight for them toadd podcasting as a line item on15700:09:30,750 --> 00:09:35,700their budgets. And I think thatthat is happening increasingly I15800:09:35,700 --> 00:09:38,310think that the momentum is thereand it's going to be the rule.15900:09:39,630 --> 00:09:45,210And so So the challenge is ifyou if you force a new16000:09:45,210 --> 00:09:49,110definition to something that isa podcast that goes on video, if16100:09:49,110 --> 00:09:52,140it's a native audioconversation, that you're now16200:09:52,140 --> 00:09:56,250distributing with a video on avideo platform, probably YouTube16300:09:56,250 --> 00:09:59,490possibly elsewhere, you're gonnahave some he's gonna have to go16400:09:59,490 --> 00:10:02,550fight that battle all over againor the video impressions will16500:10:02,550 --> 00:10:07,500get neglected. And so we kind ofhave some infrastructure around16600:10:07,500 --> 00:10:10,110people doing influencermarketing with YouTube16700:10:10,110 --> 00:10:14,160influencers. And then you havepodcast and audio influencers,16800:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,460but when they crossover betweenthe two, it can really get lost16900:10:17,460 --> 00:10:22,320in the shuffle. And if you wantcreators to maximize the revenue17000:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,740they could be getting to supporttheir shows. The best way to do17100:10:25,740 --> 00:10:30,420that is to give them simpledefinitions for the brand17200:10:30,420 --> 00:10:31,860community to buy through.17300:10:32,850 --> 00:10:35,280Adam Curry: Oh, man, hold on asecond. A couple of words I17400:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,910wrote down by buying communitybrands community podcast17500:10:41,940 --> 00:10:46,470influencers and native audioconversations.17600:10:46,980 --> 00:10:48,300Dave Jones: Like knack.17700:10:49,770 --> 00:10:52,410Adam Curry: NTR is knack. Okay.17800:10:52,860 --> 00:10:55,590Dave Jones: Hey, you have aknack for potty podcast17900:10:55,590 --> 00:10:57,750influencers? Who Who would thatbe?18000:10:59,730 --> 00:11:05,040Adam Curry: It's it's a it's awell informed the whole thing is18100:11:05,070 --> 00:11:09,570what is being ignored here isthe actual audience who gives a18200:11:09,570 --> 00:11:13,920crap as long as we got somenumbers only got influencers, I18300:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,350think are people who you donative ads, basically. Okay,18400:11:19,380 --> 00:11:23,220Dave Jones: okay. That's funny.He's doing his brand. Yeah.18500:11:23,220 --> 00:11:23,550Okay.18600:11:23,700 --> 00:11:26,670Adam Curry: It's using somethingor he's talking about something.18700:11:27,330 --> 00:11:30,870YouTube is filled with these, ofcourse, I mean, even in the, in18800:11:30,870 --> 00:11:35,430the, in our space. In our in thepodcast space. You see guys who18900:11:35,430 --> 00:11:39,900were reviewing mixers andmicrophones, their influences19000:11:39,900 --> 00:11:42,090whether they're getting paid forit or not. They're influencers19100:11:42,090 --> 00:11:45,180because they're talking about abrand unboxers all this stuff.19200:11:45,180 --> 00:11:48,360It's all that was all it's allkind of geared towards commerce19300:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,800and towards the sale of productsand services. But But yeah,19400:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,920there's so there's no, there'sno real I didn't want here just19500:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,000say podcasting, podcasts,influencers, native audio19600:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,170conversations, YouTube videos, Ididn't have just podcasters19700:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,400podcasters.19800:12:05,700 --> 00:12:09,240Dave Jones: She so SkyePillsbury follows up just to19900:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,780make sure that the because thatthat was, as you mentioned, that20000:12:13,020 --> 00:12:18,360reply was it was clear in itsstructure, but it was muddled20100:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,070with a lot of like, you know,jargon, industry jargon. So in20200:12:23,070 --> 00:12:27,540the digital ad space jargon, soshe makes a follow up to clarify20300:12:27,570 --> 00:12:29,550and make it even simpler, what'sgoing on.20400:12:29,850 --> 00:12:31,860Unknown: But you're saying it'sinteresting, because what you're20500:12:31,860 --> 00:12:37,470saying is that it actually whatI'm seeing as complicating what20600:12:37,470 --> 00:12:42,900a podcast is, you're saying,actually keeping the term20700:12:42,900 --> 00:12:47,310podcast, even if it's onYouTube, keeps it simpler for20800:12:47,310 --> 00:12:51,330the advertising buyer. And andthat makes complete sense to me.20900:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,410So yeah,21000:12:52,410 --> 00:12:55,410because otherwise, they've gotto go across the hall and go to21100:12:55,410 --> 00:12:59,100the influencer team and go, Hey,can I get some of your revenue21200:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,160to put against the videocomponent of this podcast? You21300:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,800don't want them having to dothat the more steps they got to21400:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,880take, the less likely they areto do it. So 100%? Yeah, so I21500:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,610think it's actually better fortheir business if they if we can21600:13:11,610 --> 00:13:13,320forego that. So21700:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,200Adam Curry: here's what I likeabout this. This shows that the21800:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,690media, the buying community areidiots, because the idiots are21900:13:24,690 --> 00:13:27,000they don't care that there'sprobably more like they don't22000:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,760care. Right? Yeah. And I was inthis I built a $450 million a22100:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,720year revenue company with 700.Employee a co built, I should22200:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,080say, was 700 employees. And wedid this I know all the22300:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,670acronyms. I made up acronyms.The I sold statistics, do you22400:13:44,670 --> 00:13:47,640remember the what was that?There was a stats package early,22500:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,850early days, maybe it's like webstats, or something you could22600:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,770was basically a log fileanalyzer. And it would spit out22700:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,700charts and you know, it hadearly days, right? It had hits22800:13:59,940 --> 00:14:03,750and stuff like that. And wecould have just given that to22900:14:03,750 --> 00:14:09,210our client, the advertiser wholooks to us to be smart. But23000:14:09,210 --> 00:14:16,830instead we we said no, no, wegive you are ASAP. Was that? The23100:14:16,830 --> 00:14:22,020Yeah, the advanced statisticsanalysis package. So so we would23200:14:22,020 --> 00:14:25,770give them the charts. MaghribYeah, regular grid, right. We'd23300:14:25,770 --> 00:14:30,840sit down and and we walk themthrough it and explain your23400:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,440analysis of what all this meant.And then we could charge for it23500:14:34,590 --> 00:14:37,530just handed out you know, orhere's, here's a stats page.23600:14:37,710 --> 00:14:40,470What a loss I actually thinkTodd does does this pretty well,23700:14:40,470 --> 00:14:44,520blueberry, I'm not sure ifthere's only one Todd but to23800:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,240actually walk through your statsand say here here's what's going23900:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,930on here. Here's what I'm seeingand he has very detailed24000:14:51,930 --> 00:14:57,450knowledge of of the downloadgame but he's he's alone guy,24100:14:57,480 --> 00:15:04,230you know, it's like all of thisis but they were talking on a24200:15:04,260 --> 00:15:11,010new new media show that someHeather Osgood or someone, some24300:15:11,010 --> 00:15:13,170was moving to impressionsbecause you know, we can't24400:15:13,170 --> 00:15:17,190actually get you listens, orplays, or downloads, the whole24500:15:17,190 --> 00:15:20,250thing is broken. It's 20 yearslater, If I hear one more person24600:15:20,250 --> 00:15:23,850say we're so no, it's such a newmedium, right? The industry is24700:15:23,850 --> 00:15:26,940so young. No, it's not. You'vejust failed at doing this over24800:15:26,940 --> 00:15:29,850and over and over again. Andthere was one other thing I24900:15:29,850 --> 00:15:34,680didn't clip it. But they alsotalked about studios, like,25000:15:34,860 --> 00:15:38,520like, Okay, now at MGM, all of asudden, the MGM of podcasting.25100:15:38,790 --> 00:15:41,910So you have studios, which wereall destroyed and swallowed up25200:15:41,910 --> 00:15:45,840by Spotify. They were they weredying anyway. They, you know,25300:15:45,870 --> 00:15:48,390they really, it has no reasonfor life25400:15:48,390 --> 00:15:50,790Dave Jones: was prolonged. Yeah,what25500:15:50,790 --> 00:15:54,360Adam Curry: they call networks,you know, and all of that. I25600:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,440know this because I failed at itmyself. It took 10 years, and we25700:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,160had the video bullcrap come in.It's just a complete repeat. So25800:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,280it's easy for me to to seewhat's happening and to predict25900:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,730what will go down. Becauseobviously, the next thing is,26000:16:08,820 --> 00:16:12,480we'll just make podcasts forbrands. Here's the Acura RDX26100:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,260podcast. I mean, that's what italways devolves to. But the26200:16:16,260 --> 00:16:20,100thing that was interesting, was,they asked, and this is where26300:16:20,100 --> 00:16:23,820you cannot monetize. The networkcomes in there. I actually heard26400:16:23,820 --> 00:16:29,460someone say, well, hopefully,studios, I think studio slash26500:16:29,460 --> 00:16:33,510networks will be able to fundenough, you know, simple chat26600:16:33,510 --> 00:16:37,110shows, just like we're doingjust two people on a podcast, I26700:16:37,110 --> 00:16:43,260heard that in order to put lotsof lots of money into, you know,26800:16:43,260 --> 00:16:48,240the long form highly edited,$150,000 producers travel all26900:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,110over the world podcast. Let metell you how that's gonna work27000:16:52,110 --> 00:16:55,740out for you with your network oryour studio. The people who are27100:16:56,130 --> 00:16:57,870the people who are bringing inthe money that you're then27200:16:57,870 --> 00:17:00,900spending on the on the nonprofitable stuff, we're gonna27300:17:00,900 --> 00:17:04,110get mad and you're gonna leave,like, what do I need you for?27400:17:04,500 --> 00:17:08,280I'm popular. I got my listeners,I don't need you to take my27500:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,860money and give it to somethingelse. It's not making money27600:17:10,860 --> 00:17:14,970because you can go to the awardshow. Because that's literally27700:17:14,970 --> 00:17:16,320what it is. They27800:17:16,319 --> 00:17:21,449Dave Jones: denigrated. Theydenigrated radio a lot. And I'm27900:17:21,449 --> 00:17:24,449sure it's not because they hateradio. It's not mean they're28000:17:24,449 --> 00:17:27,719they're radio people. It'sbecause they they think it's a28100:17:27,719 --> 00:17:31,949dying a dying medium. But thething is radio still makes so28200:17:31,949 --> 00:17:36,749much money. More more money thanpodcasting. Well, I mean, in in,28300:17:36,779 --> 00:17:40,169like, if you're, if you'resaying they use the term, the28400:17:40,169 --> 00:17:44,039radio ification of podcastingand how that's a bad thing.28500:17:44,279 --> 00:17:47,549Well, I mean, it's the radioification of podcasting means28600:17:47,549 --> 00:17:50,729podcasting can actually makemoney. Well, that doesn't seem28700:17:50,729 --> 00:17:55,649like it's a bad thing to me.Well, all talking. If you take28800:17:55,649 --> 00:17:59,819me there's only two forms ofradio, broadcast radio, there's28900:17:59,819 --> 00:18:04,229music, and there's peopletalking it that's those are your29000:18:04,229 --> 00:18:07,079those are your two things andplan podcasting. Is people29100:18:07,079 --> 00:18:10,259talking and that makes money. Itmakes lots and lots and lots of29200:18:10,259 --> 00:18:11,309money. Well,29300:18:11,310 --> 00:18:16,530Adam Curry: the Okay, so here'sthe issue with radio. Radio,29400:18:17,070 --> 00:18:20,550hear myself back from the Idon't know why you have a fader29500:18:20,550 --> 00:18:25,740open or something representthings. It could just be doesn't29600:18:25,740 --> 00:18:31,590matter. One, two to three daysago, that's where professionals29700:18:32,670 --> 00:18:36,120is it? I don't know what it is.It's like it's might become29800:18:36,120 --> 00:18:40,620through headphones. I don'tknow. Oh, gosh, probably not. I29900:18:40,620 --> 00:18:45,210don't know it could be for me.Radio down, I'll turn it over30000:18:45,210 --> 00:18:48,720there that fix it. Thank youradio practice, but his ruined30100:18:48,990 --> 00:18:52,290radio is ruined because theaudiences are ruined, which30200:18:52,290 --> 00:18:55,410podcasting did now that doesn'tmean that radio is dead, not by30300:18:55,410 --> 00:19:00,000a longshot. Radio is ubiquitous.You have radio receivers30400:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,490everywhere. I remember SteveJobs said to me, Adam, I want to30500:19:02,490 --> 00:19:06,240build radio receivers for you.And that was the iPod. That was30600:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,190that was the whole idea was tohave one transmission protocol.30700:19:11,580 --> 00:19:15,840And then hundreds of millions ofradios all around the world30800:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,960doesn't matter what device youhave, it should be able to30900:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,670receive this signal. This RSSsignals is a rock solid signal.31000:19:25,050 --> 00:19:29,280The problem with radio is yes,it still makes oodles of money.31100:19:29,370 --> 00:19:32,730Although if you go look at someof the companies that have31200:19:32,730 --> 00:19:37,440consolidated, they are losingmoney hand over fist they can't31300:19:37,590 --> 00:19:42,330keep up the revenue because theyhave CPMs which is diluted31400:19:42,330 --> 00:19:46,260across the board for everybody.So it is a race to the bottom31500:19:46,260 --> 00:19:49,800CPMs always are and they'vestacked 20 minutes of31600:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,700advertising into every hour ofradio. And this is exactly why31700:19:53,700 --> 00:19:58,140podcasting in the beginning wasso exciting and beautiful.31800:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,400Because you heard heard voicesyou typically wouldn't hear not31900:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,170your train NPR voices. You heardnormal people talking about32000:20:07,170 --> 00:20:10,080normal people stuff. Theyweren't hurry, they weren't32100:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,900worried about the programdirector. They weren't worried32200:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,780about anything about timehitting the news at the top of32300:20:15,780 --> 00:20:19,140the hour. In fact, I went back,and I got the opening to my32400:20:19,140 --> 00:20:23,550daily source code. Now this isalready after, probably after32500:20:23,580 --> 00:20:28,200six months, or maybe nine monthsof episodes. But this was32600:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,890literally the opening of thedaily source code, something32700:20:31,890 --> 00:20:32,580remarkable32800:20:32,580 --> 00:20:35,970Unknown: is happening. Yeah,radio is springing free of the32900:20:35,970 --> 00:20:39,570regulated gatekeepers who managewhat you've been here, since33000:20:39,570 --> 00:20:43,740radio was invented. It's jumpinginto the hands of anyone at all33100:20:43,740 --> 00:20:45,630was something or nothing to say.33200:20:46,260 --> 00:20:48,540Adam Curry: And that was thebeauty of it. You could do33300:20:48,540 --> 00:20:51,780whatever you wanted. Nogatekeepers. You don't hear33400:20:51,780 --> 00:20:54,930anywhere, like we can make moneynow we don't need you and we can33500:20:54,930 --> 00:20:58,050make money your own. No, none ofthat was there that was never,33600:20:58,170 --> 00:21:02,790never in play, that I fall intothat trap, of course. But that33700:21:02,790 --> 00:21:09,300was never the original intent.And then the digital media33800:21:10,020 --> 00:21:16,290industry, decided to call thepodcasting, space, an industry33900:21:16,650 --> 00:21:20,820and started and decided to callpodcasters Indies. I really,34000:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,560really grabbed my goat. And sowhen I see the Hollywood34100:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,760Reporter coming out with theirarticle, podcasting will grow34200:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,930and 2024 so they have theopening of this article,34300:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,330Spurlock posted this going into2020 for podcasting executives.34400:21:40,740 --> 00:21:45,180Dive to pause right there. Whoare these podcasting executives?34500:21:45,600 --> 00:21:45,840Yeah,34600:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,870Dave Jones: Who Who are theseguys is a podcasting executive34700:21:48,900 --> 00:21:49,680podcasting34800:21:49,710 --> 00:21:53,010Adam Curry: executives remainincredibly bullish on growth in34900:21:53,010 --> 00:21:57,240the sector, with an eye towardcreating multiple revenue35000:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,560streams for creators, and usingartificial intelligence and35100:22:01,560 --> 00:22:09,120video to expand the audience. Sothis is bullcrap. This is utter,35200:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,230utter utter bull crap.Artificial Intelligence and35300:22:13,230 --> 00:22:16,710video will expand the audience.There's no evidence for this35400:22:16,710 --> 00:22:19,650other than internal research.And we went through that in the35500:22:19,650 --> 00:22:22,770last show how you can get theanswers you want from the35600:22:22,770 --> 00:22:26,100questions you ask. It's allbiased. But let's just run down35700:22:26,100 --> 00:22:29,520a few things here what'shappening, and for 2024, I'm35800:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,820going to be a little bit moredirect. So first of all,35900:22:32,820 --> 00:22:38,100podcasting is not something youmonetize your audience that you36000:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,970need to grow. It's not somethingyou have to monetize you podcast36100:22:41,970 --> 00:22:45,420because you have something ornothing to say. And you want to36200:22:45,420 --> 00:22:48,090say it without anybody stoppingyou from say that you may want36300:22:48,090 --> 00:22:51,630to say something to the RotaryClub, you may want it's not a36400:22:51,660 --> 00:22:55,440it's not a it's not a vocation.It's not like blogging. This is36500:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,320blogging started the same way.I'm going to be a blogger, I'm36600:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,800going to make that my career,very few people have made that36700:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,230their career. Very few. It'sincredibly hard. YouTube is36800:23:07,260 --> 00:23:13,020evil. Google started theirentire business by saying, Don't36900:23:13,020 --> 00:23:16,530be evil. You don't have to saythat unless you know you're37000:23:16,530 --> 00:23:20,040going to be evil. YouTube was intheir prospectus. The s one37100:23:20,040 --> 00:23:26,070filing document. YouTube isevil. Google killed RSS once37200:23:26,070 --> 00:23:29,490before with Google Reader. Andthey came out with failed37300:23:29,490 --> 00:23:34,080product after failed products.And it was actually I realized37400:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,690now because a Tina use that andshe and I was talking to her37500:23:36,690 --> 00:23:40,170about it, too. What was it thatyou liked about that? She said,37600:23:40,170 --> 00:23:44,910Well, it was really a searchengine. Because I could search37700:23:44,910 --> 00:23:50,040for a topic a term and I get abunch of nuts. You didn't say37800:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,380feeds but she understands thatwhat they weren't, she did I get37900:23:52,380 --> 00:23:57,150a bunch of blogs and sites thatI could then subscribe to. And I38000:23:57,150 --> 00:24:01,050could categorize them and putthem into boxes. And I you know,38100:24:01,050 --> 00:24:06,630and because she was a marketingof a mark com communications38200:24:06,660 --> 00:24:11,490specialist. And she really likedthat she could follow stuff. And38300:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,410she could also if something wasof no value, she could38400:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560unsubscribe, but she was intotal control of it. So it's38500:24:16,590 --> 00:24:21,270it's important to note that shedidn't have to go find stuff or38600:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,450if she found a blog, shewouldn't have to hunt. She did38700:24:24,450 --> 00:24:30,360not hunt around for an RSS icon.You know or 5000 Chiclets.38800:24:30,690 --> 00:24:34,230Subscribe with all this, shejust went to her her app, her38900:24:34,230 --> 00:24:36,750reader, which was Google Readerand search for it and then39000:24:36,750 --> 00:24:40,080clicked subscribe. That's veryimportant. This is where39100:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,640podcasting went above and beyondblogs, because we came up with39200:24:44,910 --> 00:24:47,250with places where you couldsearch and that search is39300:24:47,250 --> 00:24:51,210distributed to the apps, butGoogle is evil. They killed RSS39400:24:51,210 --> 00:24:55,380once before. Anybody who thinksthat they are that they're being39500:24:55,380 --> 00:25:01,350kind to RSS, you're foolingyourself. So our struggle I'll39600:25:01,350 --> 00:25:04,770just call the struggle, my fightour struggle for 2024 is not39700:25:04,770 --> 00:25:08,280it's, it's against the so calledleaders, the rulers, the39800:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,240authorities, the executives,it's against the power of dark39900:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,370worlds of platforms, and theevil forces they run on. greed,40000:25:17,520 --> 00:25:25,440vanity, pride and laziness. Andthat's where AI comes in. learn40100:25:25,470 --> 00:25:29,850a trade, learn to craft, andlearn how to edit, blurred, how40200:25:29,850 --> 00:25:33,960to make a good mic sound, go tosomeone to get some, some40300:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,680learning, listen to them, askthem questions. AI is not going40400:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,050to solve everything for youparticularly won't make you40500:25:40,050 --> 00:25:44,820human. It will make you lesshuman. And being human is one of40600:25:44,820 --> 00:25:48,900the most beautiful things in theworld. I remember when I just40700:25:48,900 --> 00:25:55,500started on television, and I was19 years old. And props to my40800:25:55,500 --> 00:26:00,300first wife on this one. I was 19years old. And I was doing doing40900:26:00,750 --> 00:26:04,560half the country was watching meand I was very nervous. There41000:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,740was it was I'd come out ofradio, I'd never done41100:26:07,740 --> 00:26:11,160television. Before I was suddenI've got 12 cameras, I've got41200:26:11,190 --> 00:26:15,090the director's assistantdirectors, video switchers,41300:26:15,090 --> 00:26:17,880camera, guys, you know, lightingpeople, I had to make friends41400:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,340with everybody to understand howwhat I didn't understand what41500:26:20,340 --> 00:26:25,530the director actually did. So Ilearned all that. And then I was41600:26:25,530 --> 00:26:30,450trying to be as, as perfect aspossible, you know, not fumble a41700:26:30,450 --> 00:26:35,310word. And my wife at the timesaid, Why are you so messed up41800:26:35,310 --> 00:26:39,120about that? It makes you humanpeople like it when you do that.41900:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,820And so I started to relax. Andover the course of my career,42000:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,630I've learned that that is true.The more human you are, the more42100:26:48,630 --> 00:26:51,570personal you are, the morepeople can identify with you.42200:26:51,570 --> 00:26:54,960You don't have to be the perfectNPR voice in the cloud. You42300:26:54,960 --> 00:27:02,310don't. As I said, the concept ofindie podcasting, I want you42400:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,150You're dead to me if you talkthat way. If you're a podcaster42500:27:06,180 --> 00:27:10,320you're a podcaster not an indie,you're a podcaster there is no42600:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,680podcasting industry. We justwent through that they can't42700:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,640even they didn't even say it No,it's this is influencers. It's42800:27:17,850 --> 00:27:21,900buying community podcastinginfluences that native audio, no42900:27:21,900 --> 00:27:27,270one said podcasting. So theydon't care. So they don't get to43000:27:27,270 --> 00:27:32,040take the name and call you anindie in the space consultants.43100:27:32,190 --> 00:27:36,840Bullcrap, stay away from them.Ai production has already said43200:27:36,870 --> 00:27:40,020this is this is not somethingyou need in your life.43300:27:40,620 --> 00:27:45,960Obviously, computer computersand I just I'm not going to use43400:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,770AI, obviously, it's great tohave a transcript run. Is that43500:27:49,770 --> 00:27:54,300really the generative chat GPTfor AI that everyone's promising43600:27:54,300 --> 00:27:58,620us will take over the world andeat us? No, it's it's it's an43700:27:58,620 --> 00:28:02,940algorithm and runs and workspretty well. Now it's It's okay.43800:28:02,970 --> 00:28:07,080It's not great, but it's okay.And it works. Can you some have43900:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,280your your podcast summarize?Yeah, you can, you're still44000:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,850gonna have to look at it's likea dishwasher. Dishwashers they44100:28:14,850 --> 00:28:17,400seem like they're really a gooddeal but you're handling the44200:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,200dishes twice. You beard, you'reyou're rinsing it off putting it44300:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,990in and you're drying them offvia with the last remnants when44400:28:24,990 --> 00:28:28,110you take it out and putting itaway. You could do it all in one44500:28:28,110 --> 00:28:32,010fell swoop. So AI is thedishwasher of Silicon Valley,44600:28:32,010 --> 00:28:32,490how you go.44700:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,790Dave Jones: This is aninteresting comp. This is an44800:28:35,790 --> 00:28:37,770interesting line of line ofthinking. I'm just sitting here44900:28:37,770 --> 00:28:41,070listening to you talk about thisand it reminds me so last night.45000:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,660So I listened to this podcastcalled The Lord of spirits.45100:28:45,930 --> 00:28:49,710Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. I'vesubscribed to those guys. Yeah,45200:28:49,710 --> 00:28:49,980since45300:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,010Dave Jones: you a coupleepisodes. And it's a couple of45400:28:54,450 --> 00:28:59,490Greek Orthodox priests who justkind of you know, chew the fat45500:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,590about biblical topics and Phillyand ain't your family. Yeah.45600:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,150Ancient Faith. Yeah. Flood, youknow, all sorts of flotsam and45700:29:09,150 --> 00:29:14,040jetsam. And they discuss allkinds of things very, very45800:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,660knowledgeable people and some itveers off often into other into45900:29:18,660 --> 00:29:22,800other topics but so there's thisepisode leasing found a time46000:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,370while you're fighting46100:29:23,370 --> 00:29:25,890Adam Curry: that I just want torespond meatus BS your46200:29:25,890 --> 00:29:28,890dishwasher, cleans and driesreally well. You're still46300:29:28,890 --> 00:29:33,270handling the plates twice. Youput them in, you take them out46400:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,030where it could go in one fellswoop and you're done for the46500:29:36,030 --> 00:29:39,360night. Nothing Just nothing todo in the morning.46600:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,440Dave Jones: This let's see whereis it?46700:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,660Adam Curry: I'm sorry. He saysour dishwasher cleans and dries46800:29:48,660 --> 00:29:56,370really well. But I buy herflowers often. Wow. Wow. Well,46900:29:56,550 --> 00:29:58,800Unknown: there was a punch line.Shaggy Dog, wouldn't it Well47000:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,520played sir.47100:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,710Dave Jones: Yeah, enjoy your newyear. Tell me how the couch is.47200:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,180Let's see where am I can canfind that oh, here it is here.47300:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,900It's the art inside the name ofthis episode is The Art and47400:30:12,900 --> 00:30:19,320Science of techno Mansi. So,techno Mansi is an interesting47500:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,600word. This is about this episodewas about technology. And so you47600:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,690know, last year I read the book,the technological society, by47700:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,060Jacques Aaloo. And one thing,he's what he said in that book47800:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,180mates up really well with whatthey were talking about in this47900:30:39,180 --> 00:30:43,380episode. And they, they did itbecause he talks in that book48000:30:43,380 --> 00:30:50,310about how technology with wethink of it today, in terms of48100:30:50,370 --> 00:30:52,380when we hear the wordtechnology, we think of48200:30:52,380 --> 00:30:57,990electronics, primarily. Butmostly, it's mechanical,48300:30:58,500 --> 00:31:04,800physical technology, in some soin some sense, but the48400:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,620definition of technology really,is, anytime anytime you apply48500:31:10,620 --> 00:31:16,860technique to solve for aproblem, right? Or to effect48600:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,660effectuate outcomes that aredeterred determined by you, the48700:31:21,660 --> 00:31:26,580person who's employingtechnique. And so in that sense,48800:31:26,940 --> 00:31:32,790technique is or technology is,is just a form of knowledge. So48900:31:32,790 --> 00:31:35,250they discuss this and there'slike, well, you know, there's49000:31:35,250 --> 00:31:38,100different types of knowledge andmoral knowledge or ability to49100:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,340reason morally, and say, this isa good thing, this is a bad49200:31:41,340 --> 00:31:48,210thing. There's philosophicalknowledge, there is emotional49300:31:48,210 --> 00:31:52,350knowledge, like the knowledgeof, of loving relationships,49400:31:52,350 --> 00:31:55,860things like this. There's alldifferent forms of knowledge.49500:31:56,220 --> 00:32:01,530And many words to describe theseforms of knowledge. In tech,49600:32:01,740 --> 00:32:05,040tech, Gnosis is just anothertechnology, technological49700:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,650knowledge is just another formof knowledge, this event in so49800:32:10,650 --> 00:32:13,740if you look at all these things,that one of the prop were the49900:32:13,920 --> 00:32:22,740primary, pre industrial formsof, of, of technology was50000:32:23,310 --> 00:32:27,990spiritual technology, or whatyou may even call magic. Do you50100:32:27,990 --> 00:32:36,780know, so, this this spiritualtechnology is, are things like,50200:32:36,990 --> 00:32:42,120you know, some sort ofincantation or ceremony or or50300:32:42,120 --> 00:32:49,050liturgical process or even evencertain types? Oh, that's the50400:32:49,050 --> 00:32:55,020Thiele. theological knowledge,theological theories about50500:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,640atonement and things like that,where you plug in, you plug in a50600:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,530formula, and you get out thisthis thing. So you may, you may50700:33:04,530 --> 00:33:10,620pray to a to a God, and that Godhas been bound to answer your50800:33:10,620 --> 00:33:14,250prayer in some specific way, aslong as you do the process or50900:33:14,250 --> 00:33:19,800the ceremony correctly, or yousacrifice in a certain way and51000:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,760Right, right, right, someoutcome. And this was a real, I51100:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,180mean, this was normal, this wasjust a typical thing that51200:33:27,180 --> 00:33:34,710humanity did. And we like to, welike to think that we left we51300:33:34,710 --> 00:33:38,010have this sort of progressionmyth of the progress of the51400:33:38,010 --> 00:33:43,110progress of human human, youknow, society as if we were old.51500:33:43,110 --> 00:33:48,540And if older generations were,were dumber, or are somehow less51600:33:48,540 --> 00:33:52,980informed, and we are now we'vebeen on the slow march forward,51700:33:52,980 --> 00:33:57,990this ascent of knowledge andintellect for 1000s of years.51800:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,080When really, it doesn't workthat way at all. There's no slow51900:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,570linear progress forward inanything in humanity. We, it's a52000:34:09,570 --> 00:34:14,490big, it's a big shit show of upsand downs and forwards and52100:34:14,490 --> 00:34:19,770backwards. And what we've gottennow as far as I'm concerned, is,52200:34:21,240 --> 00:34:27,570is a return of sort ofspiritual, techno techno Mansi52300:34:28,170 --> 00:34:32,370AI. In the rigor in terms ofwhat you were talking in the52400:34:32,370 --> 00:34:35,970context, what you were talkingabout, is some is a form of52500:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,830conjuring. Yes. You're tryingto, you're trying to say, Okay,52600:34:41,730 --> 00:34:46,680I want to develop a way toconjure material out of out of52700:34:46,680 --> 00:34:53,340thin air so that I so that Ilook better. I don't I don't52800:34:53,340 --> 00:34:57,870have to work as hard. It's ait's a sort of magic. In that52900:34:57,870 --> 00:35:01,260sense. We've we've returned tospirit To all technology because53000:35:01,260 --> 00:35:10,110ai, ai is just as fuzzy as anysort of incantation or, or for53100:35:10,110 --> 00:35:13,620spiritual ceremony might be, youdon't know what you're gonna get53200:35:13,650 --> 00:35:16,080you think you're gonna getsomething? If you do it the53300:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,290right way you think, Okay, well,the income, the outcome is going53400:35:19,290 --> 00:35:25,050to be predictable, but that thatspirit that you just conjured it53500:35:25,050 --> 00:35:28,740could aid you in your in yourendeavors or it could eat you.53600:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,480You don't you don't actuallyknow.53700:35:30,750 --> 00:35:35,160Adam Curry: Well, there's afirst of the moniker AI is just53800:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,660wrong. I mean, I have a roadcaster, you couldn't call the53900:35:39,660 --> 00:35:43,860processing that it does AI. Iunderstand what it is I can54000:35:43,860 --> 00:35:46,020create a noise gate from acompeting limiter and54100:35:46,020 --> 00:35:48,900compressor. I know how to do it,I understand it. I've done it54200:35:48,900 --> 00:35:56,580with tube products. I understandwhat it is. And this is it's54300:35:56,580 --> 00:35:59,970been baked into a tool. This isvery old technology. If you want54400:35:59,970 --> 00:36:04,140to call that AI fine, call itAI. But when I when I tried to54500:36:04,410 --> 00:36:08,640fix some audio, like, oh, I'lljust throw it in the Adobe54600:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,600thing. Now by go back tofiltering and doing because it54700:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,100can't do it doesn't give me thepredictable results. And learn54800:36:17,100 --> 00:36:21,510the art. It's an art. Yeah, Imean, if you don't want to learn54900:36:21,510 --> 00:36:25,320how to do images, you couldcreate it with some words and a55000:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,520generator is great, but I seeit. Now. It's it's not really55100:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,760fooling me. It's like, okay, itkind of looks what it is. And55200:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,480you all look like you came fromthe same school of arts, or55300:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,320Schools of Art. And so learn howto do this. Get an55400:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,930apprenticeship with somebody whosay, Can I can I want you to do55500:36:42,930 --> 00:36:44,820this? Can I can I see how you doit?55600:36:45,450 --> 00:36:47,850Dave Jones: I would you plug inyou plug in a bunch of prompts55700:36:47,850 --> 00:36:52,920to plug in a bunch of wording tostable diffusion or what's the55800:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,550other thing the other? The otherbig image generator? Dolly?55900:36:57,030 --> 00:37:00,720Yeah, you plug in a bunch ofstuff to that. And it gives you56000:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,860something crazy that you didn'texpect. And in the AI advocates,56100:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,010the will they'll just say well,your your prompts weren't right.56200:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,310But go to he didn't You didn'twe didn't word it correctly,56300:37:11,310 --> 00:37:14,700because your incantation wasright. You said one of your he56400:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,340said one of your words wrong.Yeah, go56500:37:17,340 --> 00:37:21,870Adam Curry: back. Go to the noagenda, art generator.com Go56600:37:21,870 --> 00:37:25,350back 20 pages. And you'll seewhen these things came into56700:37:25,350 --> 00:37:30,930play. And guess we choose someof them. But in general, the art56800:37:30,930 --> 00:37:34,830has gone downhill. Because it'sall kind of the same thing kind56900:37:34,830 --> 00:37:40,020of as the same look of the trueartists. Hopefully they come57000:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,450through the I think they're evendiscouraged from time to time.57100:37:43,050 --> 00:37:46,170Don't even upload any morebecause you know, this AI stuff57200:37:46,170 --> 00:37:50,280and everyone's faster than I am.And you know, so it's it's57300:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,850reductive. It's it's reductivein my world. Journey.57400:37:53,850 --> 00:37:55,590Dave Jones: That's what I wasthinking that in the journey57500:37:55,590 --> 00:37:57,900stuff looks identical. Charts57600:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,800Adam Curry: and Rancors are bullcrap. This is not the world of57700:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,980tomorrow. It's not even theworld of today. It's a dying57800:38:04,980 --> 00:38:09,990world, that it doesn't matteranymore. Joe Rogan biggest57900:38:09,990 --> 00:38:16,260podcaster in the world, he's 5%of everything, and 5% and you58000:38:16,260 --> 00:38:20,640don't need to be number oneanymore. We're our little58100:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,330project here surviving justperfectly on a couple 100058200:38:24,330 --> 00:38:28,380people who support it. We don'tneed to be number one of iTunes.58300:38:28,380 --> 00:38:31,410We don't need iTunes promotion.We don't need to be. We have the58400:38:31,410 --> 00:38:35,460worst searchable name in theuniverse. Podcasting. They point58500:38:35,460 --> 00:38:39,420out whoever whoever came up withthat stupidity, you can see oh,58600:38:39,420 --> 00:38:48,030it's stupid. Now, dai dai, theinserted advertising, go ahead.58700:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,060This a race to the bottom. Yeah,this is that's radio58800:38:51,060 --> 00:38:55,110suffocation. But you know whatit is, is bad for podcasting is58900:38:55,110 --> 00:38:58,890bad because people see theirapps as the platform, and59000:38:58,890 --> 00:39:02,970they're blaming the apps.They're blaming the apps for the59100:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,180ads that you're putting intoyour podcast as a pre roll.59200:39:06,810 --> 00:39:12,150Discovery is bullcrap. That'snot how people discover pot. We59300:39:12,150 --> 00:39:15,900don't need algos. And you don'tneed to be in the YouTube with59400:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,230the funny little links andeverything. If you think that's59500:39:19,230 --> 00:39:21,030how you're going to getdiscovered and how you'll build59600:39:21,030 --> 00:39:23,940an audience of people that areinterested in your topic. You're59700:39:23,940 --> 00:39:29,070fooling yourself. You don't needthat. Those proclaiming YouTube59800:39:29,070 --> 00:39:34,650is the way in the future areSatan's helpers. I mean, this59900:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,180view are you are really it'sbad. You're a podcaster you have60000:39:39,180 --> 00:39:43,710a feed. That's your source oftruth. That is you under your60100:39:43,710 --> 00:39:49,140control. We have an entireecosystem over 20 years. Your60200:39:49,140 --> 00:39:54,270children aren't even that old 20years, the who have built this60300:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,250ecosystem for you to use verycost efficiently. God bless60400:39:59,250 --> 00:40:02,850those who have Created podcastcompanies and the new ones who60500:40:02,850 --> 00:40:06,540are coming in who are 2.0native. And the ones who are60600:40:06,540 --> 00:40:10,020catching up. God bless you all,because you have created you60700:40:10,020 --> 00:40:15,450truly have created the the toolsthat we need. And you continue60800:40:15,450 --> 00:40:19,350to retool over and over again,it's not easy this stuff now,60900:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,610can the beauty of podcasting andyour feed is you can host it on61000:40:23,610 --> 00:40:26,700your own little serversomewhere. You can write it with61100:40:26,700 --> 00:40:30,690a notepad. That's what makespodcasting great. You can't do61200:40:30,690 --> 00:40:34,830that with YouTube. So when youthink that YouTube is taking61300:40:34,830 --> 00:40:38,700your feed and greatest and theYouTube Music app is the best61400:40:38,730 --> 00:40:43,860podcast app out there, you areSatan's helper. Go away. Potty61500:40:43,860 --> 00:40:48,000Dave Jones: Kevin, we have anactual satanist who donates to61600:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,140the show we could add, probablyconcur. Was that? The Trevor guy61700:40:55,140 --> 00:40:57,510from Australia? Oh, is this fivebucks a month? Oh, thank61800:40:57,510 --> 00:40:58,770Adam Curry: you. Thank you sayyes.61900:41:00,150 --> 00:41:03,480Dave Jones: Let us know if Satanis in is in favor of giving RSS62000:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,410to Google and YouTube.62100:41:04,590 --> 00:41:07,920Adam Curry: So here's what noone talks about. Is the62200:41:07,950 --> 00:41:12,960interactivity. This is this iswhere podcasting differentiates62300:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,650from radio, we, we have tools,we have ways to let the audience62400:41:19,650 --> 00:41:24,090be a part of the programming.And quite honestly, you need to62500:41:24,090 --> 00:41:27,750do that. The reason why radio isso expensive is because you62600:41:27,750 --> 00:41:30,480can't just have everybodyproducing, it doesn't work that62700:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,320way that IT systems not set up.But if you want people to create62800:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,250artwork for you, if you wantpeople to create the sound62900:41:38,250 --> 00:41:42,060things for you, if they wantthem to create chapters, or even63000:41:42,060 --> 00:41:45,390just boosted grams, that's beingan integral part of the63100:41:45,390 --> 00:41:48,480programming. That is what thevalue for value model has shown.63200:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,580Not non traditional revenue.Now, obviously, I believe in63300:41:53,580 --> 00:41:57,090value for value, because we havetwo families who for 16 years63400:41:57,090 --> 00:41:59,490have put children throughschools, we're happy63500:41:59,490 --> 00:42:04,710individuals, we have nice lives.We have two cars per family, we63600:42:04,710 --> 00:42:08,910have roof over our head. And nomatter what the ups and downs,63700:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,990it's pretty consistent. At theend of the year, we did it63800:42:12,990 --> 00:42:17,310again. We'll do it again. Itworks. But it's not something63900:42:17,310 --> 00:42:19,890that you start overnight, andI've started building value,64000:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,040where's my money? How come Ican't live on this? It took me64100:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,640years I sold stuff. I ate myairplane. I mean all the I did64200:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,330everything I could I had to scamaround for health insurance. One64300:42:33,330 --> 00:42:36,510of our producers actually gaveme health insurance from to fit64400:42:36,510 --> 00:42:42,510to 2015. No, from 2012 to 2015helped me on his company's64500:42:42,510 --> 00:42:47,880health insurance. You know, thisis this is what an interactive64600:42:47,910 --> 00:42:51,870audience does. If you havehere's clue, an outstanding64700:42:51,870 --> 00:42:55,230product just because you'rethere doesn't mean that anyone64800:42:55,230 --> 00:43:01,110cares about you. But But you canstart with two people. And then64900:43:01,110 --> 00:43:04,110those two people will tell otherpeople about that's how it65000:43:04,110 --> 00:43:08,040works. Discovery, the way we'vethought of traditionally by the65100:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,720media roundtable people is notapplicable. But something that65200:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,550I'm not against advertising, I'mnot against selling products. We65300:43:17,550 --> 00:43:22,260have an AI in the NTR category,we obviously have value for65400:43:22,260 --> 00:43:26,400value streaming Satoshis,please, we've overlooked booster65500:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,390grams had become such a thingeven for me. People are now65600:43:30,390 --> 00:43:33,690seeing like, hey, wait a minute,somebody's streaming me 200 SATs65700:43:33,690 --> 00:43:37,980a minute data adds up. Thatreally adds up and is good.65800:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,860Dave Jones: Yeah, does it doeswe need to start figuring out we65900:43:40,860 --> 00:43:42,630need to figure out a way tohighlight that better on the66000:43:42,630 --> 00:43:43,710show. Well, it's66100:43:43,710 --> 00:43:46,440Adam Curry: also a way for it tobe easier for people to see it66200:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,930and calculate it. You know,that's that's a part of it,66300:43:48,930 --> 00:43:52,710because all stats packageshelipad included are kind of66400:43:53,010 --> 00:43:56,220built for just seeing what thebooster grams are and you can66500:43:56,610 --> 00:44:06,210output stuff for that. Some, Ibelieve direct response and and66600:44:07,170 --> 00:44:12,750what is it called? Forget theother term. When call to action.66700:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,850I believe that works. So forgetthe counting of downloads, no66800:44:17,850 --> 00:44:21,900advertisers gonna care aboutthat and 2024 anymore. They they66900:44:21,930 --> 00:44:25,830are they're onto it. The mediabuyers are not going to stand in67000:44:25,830 --> 00:44:28,560front of their clients and say,oh, yeah, these people listen to67100:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,430it. Because it's all over themedia. Everybody knows anyone67200:44:32,430 --> 00:44:35,520who was who was in on the brandside is gonna say how do you how67300:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,380do you know they actually listento it? Can you prove it? They're67400:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,860gonna they're gonna get in yourface about it. Because the other67500:44:40,890 --> 00:44:45,810and even for YouTube and Tiktokthis very fuzzy, you know, what67600:44:45,810 --> 00:44:48,600is the view? Well, it's 30seconds, one minute so it was my67700:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,530ad listen to I don't know, butif you want to be a podcaster,67800:44:52,530 --> 00:44:57,510who has people support yourprogram? You say listen, this is67900:44:57,540 --> 00:45:00,900this is brought to you by geekvape I want you to pause right68000:45:00,900 --> 00:45:04,080now and click on the picturethat you see in your app, it'll68100:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,720take you to Geek vape.com.That's all you need. And we can68200:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,320do that with chapters, there's aspace for a link, there doesn't68300:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,840just have to be a picture only,go back later on, go into the68400:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,380chapters, and find the pictureof the geek vape and click on68500:45:22,380 --> 00:45:25,470it, and then go check it out,see, if you want to buy it, you68600:45:25,470 --> 00:45:28,950can get compensated for theperson going there. And you can68700:45:28,950 --> 00:45:31,200get compensated for somebodybuying something.68800:45:31,890 --> 00:45:33,990Dave Jones: And I have cloud andyou have cloud chapters, the68900:45:33,990 --> 00:45:36,240ability to update in real timewithout having to touch the69000:45:36,240 --> 00:45:37,320audio, it69100:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,800Adam Curry: can update later onall if they change the product.69200:45:40,830 --> 00:45:44,940All of that is totally possible.And it's honest.69300:45:45,540 --> 00:45:47,760Dave Jones: It's in the trackingpixels, because you're going to69400:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,440the site. Yes, response. Yes,69500:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,590Adam Curry: direct response. SoI believe in that that works.69600:45:53,010 --> 00:45:57,270Now I agree when again, now I'mgonna wind up this rap. So69700:45:57,270 --> 00:46:02,550again, YouTube is evil. ForPodcasting, it's fine for69800:46:02,550 --> 00:46:06,870whatever it wants to be, stayaway from it. We do video just69900:46:06,870 --> 00:46:10,290fine. If you think that that'swhat you need to do. I don't70000:46:10,290 --> 00:46:14,700believe so. I think I'll and Ilike Sky's take on that. She70100:46:14,700 --> 00:46:18,660says her heart breaks everylittle time a little more every70200:46:18,660 --> 00:46:22,530single time someone says thatpodcasting is YouTube videos or70300:46:22,530 --> 00:46:28,680whatever. We have a couple ofreally awesome things that are70400:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,020happening right now. Pod rolls,is a great mechanism for your70500:46:34,020 --> 00:46:38,310quote unquote, discovery. Weneed to surface them. We need to70600:46:38,310 --> 00:46:42,660show these in the podcast apps.I believe booster grams are70700:46:42,660 --> 00:46:47,400another great way. I'm not surewhat what the way is or how70800:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,580we're supposed to do that yet.But I want to I mean, I'm not70900:46:50,580 --> 00:46:53,280developing an app and otherpeople are much, much more71000:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,380creative and smarter than I am.Think about that. And now, what71100:46:58,380 --> 00:47:05,970I saw happen this past week, mysocks are blown off. When I saw71200:47:05,970 --> 00:47:10,800that I could search for mo factswith Adam curry. On my own my71300:47:10,800 --> 00:47:17,310own I have a secret littlemastodon. And up pops the feed71400:47:17,340 --> 00:47:22,410the item mo facts with Adamcurry, which has an index ID.71500:47:23,010 --> 00:47:26,610And somehow through the magic ofthe Federation, which I think71600:47:26,610 --> 00:47:29,340means someone already if ifsomeone hasn't already sought71700:47:29,340 --> 00:47:32,100for it and follow it orsomething it doesn't. It won't71800:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,760show up in the fediverse. Butonce it has it showed up and I71900:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,920could follow it. And you myfriend or a wizard.72000:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,310Dave Jones: You want to get intothat you want to go through it.72100:47:44,610 --> 00:47:45,600Yes, please,72200:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,190Adam Curry: because it'sprogress this week.72300:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,730Dave Jones: Let's see. I guessI'll start this by saying if you72400:47:53,730 --> 00:47:57,300want if you want to stressed ifyou're building anything,72500:47:58,380 --> 00:48:01,680activity, if you're building anysort of activity pub software,72600:48:02,730 --> 00:48:08,310job and you want to stresstested, just make a post and72700:48:08,310 --> 00:48:17,040reference an add an account. Solike just make it you know,72800:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,970account accounts on Mastodonlactase layer, activity, Council72900:48:20,970 --> 00:48:26,520and activity pub or are actors.So I'm just going to use that73000:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,810term, you if you have anaccount, you are an actor. So my73100:48:30,840 --> 00:48:37,830like my actor on the fediverseis Dave at at is at Dave at73200:48:37,830 --> 00:48:42,360podcast, index dot social. Sothat's my actor, when I interact73300:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,210with other servers, otheraccounts, anything else on the73400:48:45,210 --> 00:48:49,920fediverse that's who I am. So ifyou if you want to stress test73500:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,800any of your software, just makea reference back to your73600:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,810software as an actor, and youwill get that you will get73700:48:57,810 --> 00:49:03,570slaughtered with traffic, likeso I made the mistake of of73800:49:03,570 --> 00:49:08,280asking for some beta testers,you know, like, hey, things are73900:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,830working, try to try to followour show. So the way this is set74000:49:13,830 --> 00:49:18,930up right now is there's a serverrunning this software, the74100:49:18,930 --> 00:49:24,270activity bits, let's just callit the podcast index. Podcasting74200:49:24,270 --> 00:49:28,620to activity pub bridge, let'sjust call it that. This software74300:49:28,620 --> 00:49:32,430is running on a server called APactivity pub dot podcast.74400:49:32,430 --> 00:49:39,330index.org. So that's the bridge.And basically, the bridge just74500:49:39,330 --> 00:49:45,480converts a podcast into an actoron demand. So if there's a74600:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,820podcast that's never existed,that you want to follow in your74700:49:50,820 --> 00:49:54,420Mastodon or, or your plough Romeor whatever activity pub74800:49:54,450 --> 00:49:58,680software you use, if you want tofollow that that that podcast74900:49:59,550 --> 00:50:01,800for now. Now, and this issomething we need to discuss. So75000:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,700we're gonna we'll get into this.For now the way that it works is75100:50:06,180 --> 00:50:12,870you the podcast index ID at a Pdot podcast index.org. So our75200:50:12,900 --> 00:50:19,800podcast index ID for this showis 920666. So if you follow at75300:50:19,830 --> 00:50:25,950920666, at AP dot podcastindex.org That is the actor, the75400:50:25,950 --> 00:50:33,060activity pub actor for thisshow. What that means is what's75500:50:33,060 --> 00:50:37,320happening behind the scenes whenyou do that. You're querying the75600:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,610activity pub bridge for theactor, it gets the data from the75700:50:41,610 --> 00:50:48,780podcast index, and then hands itback to the bridge. The bridge75800:50:48,810 --> 00:50:54,180then gives it gives back themetadata about the show through75900:50:54,180 --> 00:50:58,830web finger appropriately, andthen gives its Act gives its76000:50:58,830 --> 00:51:04,770full actor object back to therequesting server. So your act76100:51:04,770 --> 00:51:08,430your master that your privateMastodon server asked for this,76200:51:08,430 --> 00:51:11,850you asked for our show, or askedfor Mofaz, whichever one it was76300:51:11,850 --> 00:51:16,560you're looking for, as remotefacts. It gave back the data,76400:51:16,590 --> 00:51:20,580the profile data you saidfollow. So then your Mastodon76500:51:20,580 --> 00:51:26,130instance sent a request to thebridge to follow. Giving it your76600:51:26,130 --> 00:51:35,220actor ID and your privatemastodons shared inbox, URL,76700:51:35,310 --> 00:51:39,210right? So we take that in sothat under the covers activity76800:51:39,210 --> 00:51:42,990cloud bridge is using SQLitedatabase. So there's a table in76900:51:42,990 --> 00:51:48,030their followers table hererequested a follow. We wrote77000:51:49,290 --> 00:51:53,910that bread bridge sent verifiedall the data that had all made77100:51:53,910 --> 00:51:58,020sense and was sane, and thensent back an except77200:51:58,170 --> 00:52:01,650acknowledgement, saying yeah,cool. Now you're you're77300:52:01,650 --> 00:52:06,120following now and then inserteda record in the data in the77400:52:06,120 --> 00:52:12,120followers table for that showthat you're following your77500:52:12,120 --> 00:52:17,340actor, your actor ID and yourshared inbox URL. So now, the77600:52:17,340 --> 00:52:23,850activity pub bridge knows thatif a show ever updates, you want77700:52:23,850 --> 00:52:27,690to be notified about it. In thecool one cool thing about77800:52:27,690 --> 00:52:31,800activity Pub is this. Thisnotion of a shared inbox on a77900:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,620server makes the trip lessensthe traffic load. So if if 40078000:52:37,620 --> 00:52:43,230people on the podcast index doessocial Mastodon Follow Follow at78100:52:43,230 --> 00:52:50,670one show we don't have to postfor highest in 400 posts every78200:52:50,670 --> 00:52:54,570time the show updates we justsend it once to the shared inbox78300:52:54,570 --> 00:52:58,680URL and then podcasting issocial sees that sees all the78400:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,180followers and distributes itaccordingly. So it it really is78500:53:03,180 --> 00:53:04,530very traffic efficient.78600:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,380Adam Curry: One One quick notejust to put slip in the tab.78700:53:11,010 --> 00:53:15,810When I followed mo fax with Adamcurry on my own Mastodon, my78800:53:15,810 --> 00:53:18,480private Mastodon server hebrought it up because I'm78900:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,800federated so you know, it knewabout it already. Because I had79000:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,290already someone else alreadyfollowed it to what it was79100:53:25,290 --> 00:53:28,530before I even follow that onpodcasting next out social and79200:53:28,530 --> 00:53:31,440it brings it up but it doesn'tbring up at least what it'd be79300:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,740great if it brought up oneepisode. It brings79400:53:34,740 --> 00:53:38,760Dave Jones: it Okay, clean. Thisis a limitation of mastodon.79500:53:39,030 --> 00:53:43,740Okay, because Master is amastodon. This is where we79600:53:43,740 --> 00:53:48,510talked about a couple of weeksinto three weeks ago. inactivity79700:53:48,510 --> 00:53:53,880pub world there is this notionof an outbox, and the outbox is79800:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,190everything you've ever posted.So if you go to the outbox, for79900:53:59,190 --> 00:54:04,080mo fax activity pub on theactivity pub bridge, if you go80000:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,350to the outbox, you'll see allthe previous episodes as posts.80100:54:08,190 --> 00:54:15,960But Mastodon will not show youthe outbox of a remote actor. It80200:54:15,990 --> 00:54:20,370will only show you the poststhat it has previously they have80300:54:20,370 --> 00:54:25,080previously been sent to theshared inbox URL. So if it80400:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,650doesn't have a cached copy of apost from that, doesn't that80500:54:28,650 --> 00:54:30,660show it won't it won't show youhere's80600:54:30,690 --> 00:54:34,440Adam Curry: here's a weirdquestion. Got the if i pod80700:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,420pinged mo facts, right now,would that trigger that an80800:54:39,420 --> 00:54:42,210episode updating to the mastodonAP bridge?80900:54:43,290 --> 00:54:49,320Dave Jones: No. So okay, so thisthe interactions here took took81000:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,500a lot took a lot of time for meto understand because it's not81100:54:52,500 --> 00:55:01,770intuitive. Imagine a cleanHedlund to describe this. Okay,81200:55:01,770 --> 00:55:05,430so imagine that your mastodonsyour private Mastodon server had81300:55:05,430 --> 00:55:11,460never followed the math demofacts show. Right? Nobody on the81400:55:11,460 --> 00:55:13,530on your server had ever doneanything like81500:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,660Adam Curry: I don't have toimagine it because that's true.81600:55:16,890 --> 00:55:23,550Dave Jones: Okay, all right. TheOkay, so what should what81700:55:23,550 --> 00:55:29,970normally happens in that case isyou follow it, initially the81800:55:29,970 --> 00:55:35,040profile will be blank. So whenyou pull it up, your Mastodon81900:55:35,040 --> 00:55:41,010server has no previous poststhat it knows about, right. And82000:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,550it will initially show thatthere's been disabled no show no82100:55:44,550 --> 00:55:50,580previous history, you havefollow. And then that puts the82200:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,720fact that puts the app puts mofacts into the database. Okay?82300:55:55,860 --> 00:56:01,650If nobody has ever followed thatshow before. Then what happens82400:56:01,650 --> 00:56:06,840is on the next cycle, which isevery, every 60 seconds, it will82500:56:06,870 --> 00:56:11,400check the podcast index to seewhat the current latest episode82600:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,920is. And if it finds one, if itgrabs one, it will then post it82700:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,240as a new post to82800:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,210Adam Curry: your server. Okay,so an actual new episode has to82900:56:21,210 --> 00:56:23,850come out for that to happen.Right?83000:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,800Dave Jones: Yeah. And so thisand so you'll you will see the83100:56:28,800 --> 00:56:35,130next one got in when it when itposts going forward, the next83200:56:35,130 --> 00:56:39,870person on your server whofollows that will see any posts83300:56:39,870 --> 00:56:44,490that they have accumulated. Soyou're now your Macedon server83400:56:44,490 --> 00:56:48,150going forward will begin to getthose posts. Then when somebody83500:56:48,150 --> 00:56:51,210goes and looks at the profileprofile, they'll see all that83600:56:51,210 --> 00:56:53,520previous stuff. It'll be like afilled in profile.83700:56:53,550 --> 00:56:57,630Adam Curry: Oh, so that willhappen? Yes. It83800:56:57,630 --> 00:57:01,230Dave Jones: begins to fillthings in as it goes. Ah, yeah,83900:57:01,230 --> 00:57:04,110it's a little it's a littleaggravating because the outbox84000:57:04,110 --> 00:57:09,420thing is right there. It couldin there are there there are.84100:57:09,810 --> 00:57:17,310There's a big thread on theGitHub issues for Mastodon with84200:57:17,310 --> 00:57:21,720people begging for them tobackfill those outbox and84300:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,680Adam Curry: yeah, because wenever don't you click on the the84400:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,930way that Mastodon works when youclick on the go to what does it84500:57:32,100 --> 00:57:37,560go to this? What does it sayhere? For older posts from other84600:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,170sort of poses, if you wantbrowse more on the original84700:57:40,170 --> 00:57:45,540profile at the bottom, when youclick that, it just gives you84800:57:47,310 --> 00:57:48,660like, code.84900:57:49,830 --> 00:57:54,300Dave Jones: Yeah, JSON? Yeah. Idon't know if you see this in85000:57:54,300 --> 00:58:00,210ERIC PP, posted a link to theoutbox thermofax. And if you if85100:58:00,210 --> 00:58:03,450you go and check that JSON out,what you'll see is all these85200:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,050these are all the85300:58:04,050 --> 00:58:06,990Adam Curry: previous Yes, yes,yes, yes, I see it. Yeah, it85400:58:06,990 --> 00:58:08,130would be very easy for85500:58:08,130 --> 00:58:10,560Dave Jones: a mastodon server tojust look at this and just pull85600:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,840it and just pull it in, but theydon't. So that is what it is the85700:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,720thing you're talking about whereit has, where you click on the85800:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,560More, you know, more on thisprofile. So one thing that85900:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,590Mastodon does, I don't knowabout other activity pub86000:58:25,590 --> 00:58:29,640servers, I think they probablydo something similar. But for86100:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,530sure Mastodon does this is ituses what's called the accept86200:58:34,530 --> 00:58:41,250header in HTTP request. So if Irequest a, if I request the86300:58:41,250 --> 00:58:49,620actor's URL, so in this case,podcast index dot social, slash,86400:58:50,610 --> 00:58:57,570C slash Dave, slash at Dave,then or user slash ad, Dave, I86500:58:57,570 --> 00:59:00,630can't remember, if I if Irequest that in the accept86600:59:00,630 --> 00:59:05,070header is set to activity slashJSON as the MIME type, I'm going86700:59:05,070 --> 00:59:09,420to get back my the JSON. If it'sset to text HTML, I'm going to86800:59:09,420 --> 00:59:14,940get an HTML a nice, pretty HTMLpage. Okay. So I don't have the86900:59:14,940 --> 00:59:18,960HTML part of the bridge built.And I'm not sure that I'm even87000:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,070going to because what I thinkmay need to happen is those87100:59:23,070 --> 00:59:27,870requests probably need to getforwarded to the podcast index87200:59:28,110 --> 00:59:34,230website for an HTML request,like if you're wanting the HTML87300:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,280of a show, just go it just putan end to end up on the website.87400:59:38,340 --> 00:59:42,030Right? Not in not in a weirdother.87500:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,980Adam Curry: I mean, you alreadyhave the web you already have87600:59:43,980 --> 00:59:47,370the website in there. I mean,you have I liked the joined I87700:59:47,370 --> 00:59:52,980like that field showing up. Sothe promo fax it shows Joe in87800:59:53,010 --> 00:59:57,390November 8 2023. Oh, that's justwant to join okay. It has the87900:59:57,390 --> 01:00:01,590index page and has the website.Take Then from the, from the88001:00:01,590 --> 01:00:04,470feed and the podcast good. Yeah.88101:00:04,470 --> 01:00:07,800Dave Jones: And that you can putit you can tag put anything in88201:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,830here that needs to be in herelike, you can stack up. These88301:00:10,830 --> 01:00:13,680are just key value pairs. So ifwe want to put other stuff in88401:00:13,680 --> 01:00:14,790there we can. So88501:00:14,820 --> 01:00:18,480Adam Curry: what what I loveabout this, what is so logical88601:00:18,960 --> 01:00:25,860is I will now i will post myfeed, update my feed. And then88701:00:25,920 --> 01:00:34,170I'll go to the mastodon and Iwill boost boost the post of88801:00:34,170 --> 01:00:42,720that episode and use that thatURL as my base URL for comments.88901:00:43,230 --> 01:00:45,630For social interact for sociallyinteract. Yes.89001:00:45,930 --> 01:00:49,320Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yep.And, yeah, that you're you're,89101:00:49,410 --> 01:00:52,140you're, you're seeing, you'reseeing what I'm thinking.89201:00:52,470 --> 01:00:54,600Adam Curry: Oh, totally. Totallyseeing it.89301:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,180Dave Jones: Okay, so. Yeah. Sothis is this is working well.89401:01:01,740 --> 01:01:05,610We've worked with Alex to makesure that it was going to did it89501:01:05,610 --> 01:01:11,160was everything was kosher withPleroma. And so the program is89601:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,610working, working as well. Ifanybody if anybody is using89701:01:14,640 --> 01:01:21,480other software besides Pleromaand Mastodon, check this out for89801:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,150me and do and bug reports sothat we can get these things89901:01:24,150 --> 01:01:29,550fixed. Most of the problems comedown to JSON deserialization90001:01:29,550 --> 01:01:30,120problems.90101:01:31,110 --> 01:01:32,790Adam Curry: Yeah, I hate whenthat happens. The D90201:01:32,790 --> 01:01:35,910serialization always bites me inthe ass. It90301:01:35,910 --> 01:01:41,370Dave Jones: does. It's an assbutter. So everything is90401:01:42,450 --> 01:01:46,230everything is just jaded.activitypub is just pushing JSON90501:01:46,230 --> 01:01:49,620around everywhere and, and thegood thing about rust is it has90601:01:49,620 --> 01:01:55,140wonderful JSON deserializationmodule called SerDe. That is90701:01:55,290 --> 01:02:00,480amazing. And it's good, but youbut it is it does take a lot of90801:02:00,540 --> 01:02:05,340fiddling to get these thingscorrect. So we need to just make90901:02:05,340 --> 01:02:09,150sure that all of these things orall these different types of91001:02:09,150 --> 01:02:15,120software or are working areplaying nice now. The thing that91101:02:16,380 --> 01:02:19,830the thing that we did I did lastnight and I was up late last91201:02:19,830 --> 01:02:21,810night till I when I know91301:02:21,900 --> 01:02:24,600Adam Curry: you kept restartingyour stream or something's like91401:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,260a million Dave's going liveagain. They are still not91501:02:28,260 --> 01:02:30,150sleeping. He's live again.91601:02:30,870 --> 01:02:36,450Dave Jones: I was so close this,this is this is interesting. You91701:02:36,450 --> 01:02:41,940know, we we talked, we went backand forth. A little bit about91801:02:41,940 --> 01:02:48,810this. JB 55 on noster. He's theguy that writes Domus. Yeah. And91901:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,230he made a post or Serie A lot oflot of posts yesterday about92001:02:55,950 --> 01:02:59,910basically how Domus is, is justbleeding money. And this is92101:02:59,910 --> 01:03:04,410probably the end of the road for2024 is probably gonna be the92201:03:04,410 --> 01:03:08,400last year for Dominus. At leastfor his development. Yeah, yeah,92301:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,980yeah. Cuz it's just not. It'snot financially sustainable.92401:03:11,010 --> 01:03:13,800Adam Curry: I did send him100,000 Set zap and said,92501:03:14,100 --> 01:03:17,940consider this. Yeah, it wasfunny. He actually replied. He92601:03:17,940 --> 01:03:20,850said, I love that about noagenda. I'll consider it as92701:03:20,850 --> 01:03:22,890like, Please, man. All right.92801:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,250Dave Jones: Well, so the theNasus. See, another post that he92901:03:29,250 --> 01:03:34,740made that was interesting wasthat noster noster is from what93001:03:34,740 --> 01:03:39,780he said is about 10,000 users.And about 50% of those he93101:03:39,780 --> 01:03:42,600estimates our own dominance.Yeah, I would say that's93201:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,680probably right. Yes, if Dominusdisappears, 50% of nostre93301:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,710disappears, and many of themprobably will not come back.93401:03:49,710 --> 01:03:50,880They'll just Bell back toTwitter.93501:03:52,500 --> 01:03:54,000Adam Curry: You know, what'sfunny? Sorry to interrupt.93601:03:54,150 --> 01:03:54,720Dave Jones: No good.93701:03:54,990 --> 01:03:57,450Adam Curry: A lot of thedevelopment discussion about93801:03:58,170 --> 01:04:03,000noster happens on telegram thattells you something. Yeah,93901:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,120that's interesting tells yousomething that is pretty94001:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,450interesting.94101:04:08,460 --> 01:04:10,320Dave Jones: But then, but thereason I'm the only reason I'm94201:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,870bringing this up is that lastnight, I saw him posting that he94301:04:15,870 --> 01:04:18,540was doing a whole bunch of stuffwith nostrud DB, like a bunch of94401:04:18,540 --> 01:04:20,190like, low level. Oh, yeah, he's94501:04:20,190 --> 01:04:23,460Adam Curry: building a hugedatabase to circumvent the whole94601:04:23,670 --> 01:04:25,290relay going away issue.94701:04:26,220 --> 01:04:29,820Dave Jones: And so and I was, itwas interesting, because you're94801:04:29,820 --> 01:04:33,870like, in the one hand, you post,you know, this software is going94901:04:33,870 --> 01:04:38,340to die. I can't sustain it. Butthen you you spend hours95001:04:38,790 --> 01:04:41,910building low doing low levelcoding on this product that's,95101:04:42,450 --> 01:04:48,960this is aimed for the grave. AndI think it's because, like, like95201:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,880me, he's, he's addicted tointerrup. Yeah, like, you know,95301:04:54,150 --> 01:04:58,800there's, this is a thing peopleget addicted to enter up, and95401:04:58,800 --> 01:05:05,790I'm one of those people So if Igo back to if I go back to 2595501:05:05,790 --> 01:05:10,170year old Dave is the whole95601:05:10,170 --> 01:05:13,290Adam Curry: we're on a secondhold on. If you're gonna if95701:05:13,290 --> 01:05:14,730you're gonna do that let's do itproperly.95801:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,560Dave Jones: Oh Tom machine herewe go95901:05:19,980 --> 01:05:22,800Adam Curry: back in time to 24year old Dave96001:05:24,330 --> 01:05:28,740Dave Jones: 24 year old Dave wasmessing around was deep into96101:05:28,770 --> 01:05:34,650assembly language anddiscovering the joy of96201:05:34,650 --> 01:05:40,380networking for the first time inthe first time that you are able96301:05:40,380 --> 01:05:49,530to bring up a TCP socket andsend a message from one computer96401:05:49,800 --> 01:05:55,410across the land to anothercomputer and have it show up. I96501:05:55,410 --> 01:06:01,980mean like it's orgasmic I cannotexplain the joy that you feel96601:06:01,980 --> 01:06:05,280when you see that you've you'vegot you get this one machine96701:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,560playing by these rules andyou've got another machine96801:06:08,220 --> 01:06:12,270playing by a common set of rulesand you send it's like96901:06:12,270 --> 01:06:18,030teleporting you send somethingin through this side in it pops97001:06:18,030 --> 01:06:19,680out the wormhole on the otherside97101:06:19,710 --> 01:06:23,220Adam Curry: that's like boostergrams for me yeah same thing97201:06:23,220 --> 01:06:26,160it's like I can do it on thisthing and it shows up over there97301:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,190been a complete different thingand we didn't even know who we97401:06:29,190 --> 01:06:30,000are where we were97501:06:30,900 --> 01:06:36,750Dave Jones: that that was beingaddicted to interrup was what97601:06:36,750 --> 01:06:45,030created the internet it's It'swhy people like Dave Weiner got97701:06:45,030 --> 01:06:50,640so addicted to to internettechnology is because it's it's97801:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,770all it's just all an expressionof of interop and it's so much97901:06:55,770 --> 01:07:00,000fun and even if you know thatyour product is basically doomed98001:07:01,320 --> 01:07:06,150you still you still you're doingit because you're addicted to do98101:07:06,150 --> 01:07:08,610that you're not addicted to theproduct you're addicted to the98201:07:08,610 --> 01:07:14,280experience of it and theexperience of creating it so98301:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,110like in this was what this iswhy I was up till at one o'clock98401:07:19,110 --> 01:07:22,050in the morning last nightcouldn't stop because we were I98501:07:22,050 --> 01:07:24,630was I was so close to getting98601:07:25,290 --> 01:07:27,180Adam Curry: Where are you areyou are you back you're back in98701:07:27,180 --> 01:07:27,960the future now98801:07:28,110 --> 01:07:29,190Dave Jones: yes, I've traveledI've98901:07:29,760 --> 01:07:39,180Unknown: read from this daygoing back to the only America99001:07:41,400 --> 01:07:41,940first99101:07:54,900 --> 01:07:56,850Adam Curry: sorry I didn'texpect it to be that I thought99201:07:56,850 --> 01:07:58,140it was a different time machine99301:07:59,460 --> 01:08:01,440Unknown: we're in a weirddimension that we go through99401:08:01,500 --> 01:08:03,780we're in a weird dimension nowyeah99501:08:03,780 --> 01:08:12,690Dave Jones: we popped out soyeah, so if I was so close to99601:08:12,690 --> 01:08:13,950getting pod ping working99701:08:15,660 --> 01:08:18,720Adam Curry: I feel you I feelyou because99801:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,690Dave Jones: what we knowobviously what you want the the99901:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,950new episode posting that wasworking fine. You haven't you100001:08:25,950 --> 01:08:29,580posted new episode shows up asopposed on Mastodon or own100101:08:29,580 --> 01:08:35,910activity pub. No problem. Nowit's not complete without live100201:08:35,940 --> 01:08:41,610right? I mean, if you if yourpodcast goes live you are the100301:08:41,610 --> 01:08:44,370one you really want to knowabout in one place you really100401:08:44,370 --> 01:08:47,190want to know about it is we wantto know about it on your own100501:08:47,190 --> 01:08:54,540Mastodon of course on socialmedia. So this required work,100601:08:54,780 --> 01:08:59,640right. The initial so theinitial structure this what is100701:09:00,270 --> 01:09:01,290is working now.100801:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,960Adam Curry: I love it. So Imean, you basically build the100901:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,920world. You build the world'sbiggest podcast app.101001:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,700Dave Jones: If it's automaticlike that, that's pretty fun.101101:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,980Yeah. Yeah, it's that's that'spretty funny. So if you if you101201:09:16,980 --> 01:09:22,590look on see if I can read thisif I can to read to this. Yeah,101301:09:22,590 --> 01:09:27,690I just did. Okay. So on thepodcast index dasa, so I just101401:09:27,690 --> 01:09:36,090reposted what I got when we wentlive earlier. Okay. And it's. So101501:09:36,420 --> 01:09:39,870the way it works is it's usingfor now it's using John101601:09:39,870 --> 01:09:45,840Spurlock's website, pod pingWebSocket. So, he has a101701:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,540WebSocket where he publishesevery pod ping event that101801:09:48,540 --> 01:09:55,260happens as it comes in. So I'mjust the the activity pub bridge101901:09:55,260 --> 01:09:59,070is connecting to his WebSocketand then watching for pod pings.102001:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,810When the pod pins come through,it looks for looks and sees if102101:10:06,810 --> 01:10:11,550it if it's got a reason code oflive. If there's one that does102201:10:11,550 --> 01:10:15,360it sees if it, what it does isit takes that URL because102301:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,860because bad things is usuallyURLs, takes that URL does a call102401:10:19,860 --> 01:10:27,870to the index to the live by alive by Feed URL endpoint. And102501:10:27,870 --> 01:10:31,680to end checks if the status islive, so102601:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,150Adam Curry: what what is thisaccount?102701:10:34,740 --> 01:10:39,690Dave Jones: So I know it's justadd 9200666 at AP dot podcast102801:10:39,690 --> 01:10:40,380index.org.102901:10:41,490 --> 01:10:45,120Adam Curry: Oh, our show. Okay.Right. Yeah, I gotcha.103001:10:46,019 --> 01:10:52,469Dave Jones: And so the what? Soif if I if it if it's live, if103101:10:52,469 --> 01:10:55,259it's got a live show that'sgoing on right now, in relation103201:10:55,259 --> 01:11:04,319to the pod ping that is saw, itthen sends out a new post, from103301:11:04,319 --> 01:11:09,029that account, to all its to allthe followers saying, you know,103401:11:09,449 --> 01:11:15,839podcasting 2.0 Episode 161 islive now. And aniline to listen103501:11:15,839 --> 01:11:21,929to the live stream, at withalbum art. So that's, that's we103601:11:21,929 --> 01:11:26,309got that working. Got thatworking finally, this morning, a103701:11:26,309 --> 01:11:30,179little before, before I went tothe office. And then Alex helped103801:11:30,179 --> 01:11:35,459me double check that the mediaattachments were working for the103901:11:35,459 --> 01:11:38,879album art. So then. So that'sall working now. So basically,104001:11:39,269 --> 01:11:44,639the basics of the activity pubbridge are functional. It will104101:11:44,639 --> 01:11:48,989post new episodes, and it willpost when, when for when it goes104201:11:48,989 --> 01:11:50,999live. Yes. So104301:11:51,690 --> 01:11:53,790Adam Curry: as I said, you justbuilt the world's biggest104401:11:54,270 --> 01:11:55,320podcast app.104501:11:56,610 --> 01:12:00,870Dave Jones: He really did. Yeah,it's it's funny. It's like a104601:12:00,870 --> 01:12:04,980bunch of pieces. It's like askeleton of an app. This104701:12:05,970 --> 01:12:09,270Adam Curry: Mastodon is an app.But now anybody can create an104801:12:09,270 --> 01:12:16,170app. And use activity pub, ifI'm just following along here,104901:12:16,740 --> 01:12:21,240as as their connection to theindex, thus, the hence the Fed105001:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,790ification of the index. Soyou're not hitting our API105101:12:23,790 --> 01:12:28,080directly. But you're getting thesame data for shows that are105201:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,270subscribed to. Right.105301:12:31,230 --> 01:12:34,320Dave Jones: Right, you can saythat it's kind of like, it's105401:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,290kind of like pod paying in thesense that it becomes if you105501:12:37,290 --> 01:12:42,210follow shows this way. And thisapps can follow shows as well as105601:12:42,210 --> 01:12:45,780people like if you follow showsin this way, it becomes push105701:12:45,780 --> 01:12:47,250instead of pool. Right? But105801:12:47,250 --> 01:12:50,640Adam Curry: pod pod ping and RSSfeed are all published side.105901:12:52,710 --> 01:12:53,460Dave Jones: Right? Yes,106001:12:53,490 --> 01:12:55,830Adam Curry: I mean, that's,that's that's all I mean, and of106101:12:55,830 --> 01:13:01,380course, anybody can circumventthe index by using pod ping. At106201:13:01,380 --> 01:13:07,110least for those shows that youdon't have to pull. But it makes106301:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,970man my head is is like I almostwant to open up a whole new106401:13:11,970 --> 01:13:17,160Mastodon private Mastodon, justfor podcast now. Well, we didn't106501:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,770hashtag it needs to have we needa hashtag to flow along with106601:13:19,770 --> 01:13:23,430this. So Oh, yes. Cool. So I canfilter Yeah.106701:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,400Dave Jones: What is the hashtagneat there. We've got the we've106801:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,040got some some things to talkabout. What what is the hashtag106901:13:29,040 --> 01:13:29,550need to be?107001:13:31,410 --> 01:13:34,110Adam Curry: Podcast? Hashtagpodcast index?107101:13:36,210 --> 01:13:37,200Dave Jones: Well, maybe107201:13:38,550 --> 01:13:41,490Adam Curry: podcast bridgehashtag podcast bridge.107301:13:42,630 --> 01:13:44,880Dave Jones: Okay, that couldwork. We can always change it107401:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,820later. If we've done it withsomeone else. Let me see if107501:13:48,330 --> 01:13:51,930that's something you can filteron. Yeah.107601:13:52,980 --> 01:13:55,650Adam Curry: Yeah, well, it's notbeing used that I can see off107701:13:55,650 --> 01:13:58,290course. Stuff that I've got.107801:13:59,550 --> 01:14:03,810Dave Jones: Well, so one of thethings that I want to do and I107901:14:03,810 --> 01:14:08,850want your you know, I want youto give me your advice here is108001:14:08,850 --> 01:14:16,110that so right now, it just givesa link to the episode in which108101:14:16,110 --> 01:14:21,990is fine, but, you know, clearly,I feel like it needs to have108201:14:21,990 --> 01:14:27,810links to to the apps Yeah, itneeds to have links to like me108301:14:27,810 --> 01:14:32,640know, pod verse podcast guru.You know, found fountain native108401:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,990links. Yeah, native nativelinks. So that's because people108501:14:36,990 --> 01:14:37,320don't108601:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,440Adam Curry: we need showsChiclets, Chiclets. What Sure.108701:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,650Dave Jones: I mean, I think thatneeds to be on there because,108801:14:46,770 --> 01:14:50,190like, it's, if you're in apinch, and you have to listen to108901:14:50,190 --> 01:14:52,230it, because all it's going to doright now is is gonna109001:14:53,550 --> 01:14:57,060Adam Curry: open up an mp3 filein a web browser. Sure.109101:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,920Dave Jones: And that's kind oflame. I mean, like, No, you109201:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,980don't you don't be You're goingto lose that position. And it's109301:15:01,980 --> 01:15:03,600just not a good experience thatsomething,109401:15:03,690 --> 01:15:05,970Adam Curry: this is somethingthat you could set or configure109501:15:05,970 --> 01:15:11,640yourself so that it has thoselinks that you want. I'm not109601:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,670sure I'm just shooting around.I'm not sure if that's possible.109701:15:15,630 --> 01:15:18,540Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, I think itwould be, I think it would be109801:15:18,540 --> 01:15:21,840possible via the interaction toget that set up would be a109901:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,930little awkward. You'd have tointeract with it as some sort of110001:15:24,930 --> 01:15:28,800bot, you know, where you sendit, you know, hey, here's what I110101:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,660want. And it's sort of recordsthat in some way. I think it110201:15:33,660 --> 01:15:38,310would probably over time, wecould figure that out. But I110301:15:38,310 --> 01:15:44,070guess I would ask that the appdevelopers, send us the dog send110401:15:44,070 --> 01:15:48,570me documentation on how yougenerate your links. One110501:15:48,570 --> 01:15:52,020Adam Curry: other thing I'm justgonna mention real quick. album110601:15:52,020 --> 01:15:57,390art is not changing. Forwhatever reason,110701:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,730Dave Jones: on what, so110801:15:59,730 --> 01:16:04,320Adam Curry: if you go to noagenda for 1504, but you can110901:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,910just search no agenda, it'salready in there. They have two111001:16:08,910 --> 01:16:14,190episodes. 1619 which is the onewith Santa Claus with a naughty111101:16:14,190 --> 01:16:18,420and nice list. And then 1620,which had a different which also111201:16:18,420 --> 01:16:22,770has the Santa Claus and the theprofile image is also still the111301:16:22,770 --> 01:16:28,530Santa Claus. And it should be apoop emoji with the recycle111401:16:28,530 --> 01:16:29,490arrows around it.111501:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,270Dave Jones: Okay, so that's, letme see what111601:16:33,270 --> 01:16:35,220Adam Curry: you don't know ifthat's caching or111701:16:35,820 --> 01:16:40,080Dave Jones: it probably is.Yeah, the caching Mastodon111801:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,410caches the hell out ofeverything. There, there might111901:16:45,300 --> 01:16:47,820that's probably I'll probablyneed to put that on the bug list112001:16:47,820 --> 01:16:50,100to figure out if there's a wayto invalidate the cache and make112101:16:50,100 --> 01:16:54,930it pull a new one. Okay. Eric,PP says the bridge has the new112201:16:54,930 --> 01:16:56,910art. So it's it's Mastodon112301:16:56,940 --> 01:16:59,280Adam Curry: caching, okay,because yeah, I followed it on112401:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,670my private server. And eventhough I don't have a post112501:17:02,670 --> 01:17:05,460there, because I just subscribedto it. It does have the new art112601:17:05,460 --> 01:17:06,690as the profile art.112701:17:07,590 --> 01:17:11,220Dave Jones: Okay, Nathan, Nathansays he has. He has some tricks112801:17:11,220 --> 01:17:16,050up his sleeve to get to fix thatproblem. Okay, cool. With112901:17:16,050 --> 01:17:17,670Portland, he's talking about thelanes. Can I just113001:17:17,670 --> 01:17:19,470Adam Curry: stop you for asecond? Okay. Yeah, sure,113101:17:19,530 --> 01:17:23,790brother. What a great job you'vedone here. This is I'm so113201:17:23,790 --> 01:17:29,460excited by this. I too, amexcited by interrupt. Because to113301:17:29,460 --> 01:17:33,240me, it's broadcasting. And I waslike, Oh, look, another huge113401:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,470radio just appeared. Look atthis massive radio that now113501:17:37,500 --> 01:17:42,180everybody can follow my showsin. And they'll be notified,113601:17:42,180 --> 01:17:46,620they can click the alarm bell.It can pop up. There's, there's113701:17:46,620 --> 01:17:52,590apps for it. I mean, obviously,we have a way to go. But the the113801:17:52,620 --> 01:17:56,040I mean, even the notificationsystem by itself is cool. And113901:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,300the fact that the comments thatthe comments will show up under114001:18:00,300 --> 01:18:04,980these posts under the profile.That's sexy. That whole thing is114101:18:04,980 --> 01:18:07,350sexy. Thank you so much forputting that work in. Man.114201:18:07,350 --> 01:18:11,220That's great. And thank you toAlex and Spurlock and everybody114301:18:11,220 --> 01:18:11,790else who helped114401:18:11,790 --> 01:18:15,540Dave Jones: you. Yeah, that. Oh,thank you. Thank you, first of114501:18:15,540 --> 01:18:21,330all, and then, you know, think Ithink this is this is, uh, this114601:18:21,330 --> 01:18:25,440is the beginning of the end ofthe bridging thing that we114701:18:25,440 --> 01:18:29,400talked about. And this is, thisis how we begin to decentralize.114801:18:30,030 --> 01:18:37,470And if, if apps begin tointeract, here, I feel like114901:18:37,500 --> 01:18:41,310okay, so I feel like we need to,we need to exempt we need to115001:18:41,310 --> 01:18:51,480exemplify what it means to beable to in interop. So API's are115101:18:51,480 --> 01:19:00,930fine, but bring in a publicbridging is activity Pub has115201:19:00,930 --> 01:19:05,910shown that it's better. I mean,it's it is better. It's, it's115301:19:05,910 --> 01:19:06,420broad,115401:19:06,420 --> 01:19:10,050Adam Curry: it's supported. Yes.It's battle tested. It's been115501:19:10,050 --> 01:19:13,980out there a long time. Luckily,we now know. Thanks to our115601:19:13,980 --> 01:19:19,620friends over there from the theright wing hackers. We know, we115701:19:19,620 --> 01:19:24,300know how to go past blocks. Yousee that article? You sent it to115801:19:24,300 --> 01:19:25,950me? Yeah. I love that.115901:19:26,430 --> 01:19:28,200Dave Jones: You just signed itwith a different domain.116001:19:30,840 --> 01:19:31,590Adam Curry: Hilarious.116101:19:32,400 --> 01:19:37,740Dave Jones: So is this the codeI will put live here in the next116201:19:37,740 --> 01:19:41,100couple of days. And it made me Imean, the public, I will make it116301:19:41,100 --> 01:19:45,570public in the repo. It's got ait's got a key only thing116401:19:45,570 --> 01:19:48,360keeping me from do it. Way. Theonly thing keeping me from doing116501:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,320it is I was lazy. And I hardcoded the podcast index API116601:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,650tokens into the code, but justneed to pull that out. Yeah, you116701:19:55,650 --> 01:19:58,140might want to pull that up.Yeah, pull that out, put it in116801:19:58,140 --> 01:20:01,050an environment variable and thenwe'll help I'll open it up and116901:20:01,050 --> 01:20:04,200people can go nuts. So here'shere's the run your own bridge.117001:20:04,230 --> 01:20:07,170Adam Curry: here's the here'sthe immediate question I have.117101:20:07,170 --> 01:20:11,940So right now if I'm searchingfor a show, let me just I'll do117201:20:12,330 --> 01:20:18,330D. H unplugged. Home, you dothat on the podcast index. Let117301:20:18,330 --> 01:20:24,930me see th, unplugged. So thatdoesn't show up. So in order to117401:20:25,200 --> 01:20:33,120get that I have to know, theindex ID in order to add that,117501:20:33,150 --> 01:20:37,020you know, so it'll be at indexID at AP dot podcasts.117601:20:37,020 --> 01:20:43,260index.org. Is there? Is there aneasier way more is? Do you have117701:20:43,260 --> 01:20:46,950you already architected in yourmind? How do we fix that? How117801:20:46,950 --> 01:20:53,130can I search and get that ID ifno one has followed it? It117901:20:53,130 --> 01:20:55,950hasn't fed ified? It hasn'tflipped around for a bit. So118001:20:55,950 --> 01:20:58,080that's just it's not in thedatabase anywhere.118101:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,290Dave Jones: Yeah, and that'sthat's the biggest issue right118201:21:01,290 --> 01:21:03,720now. I haven't figured out Oh,118301:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,950Adam Curry: I know. We I knowhow, okay, you surface a link on118401:21:09,210 --> 01:21:10,290on the index page.118501:21:11,430 --> 01:21:13,560Dave Jones: Oh, link to theaccount of the bridge account.118601:21:13,680 --> 01:21:14,100Yeah.118701:21:15,450 --> 01:21:17,460Adam Curry: So I can so I cansearch for it on podcast118801:21:17,460 --> 01:21:20,850index.org. And then just clickthe link and it'll take me where118901:21:20,850 --> 01:21:25,800it's copy link if I want. Butjust click the link and it will119001:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,430take me to my Mastodon account,supposedly. And I just click119101:21:29,430 --> 01:21:29,880follow.119201:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,120Dave Jones: As I've gone backand forth about this in my head,119301:21:33,120 --> 01:21:41,100because on the one hand, ourshows account is 920666. I mean,119401:21:41,220 --> 01:21:48,150that's unintelligible nonsense.But on the other hand, if you119501:21:48,150 --> 01:21:53,910were to come up with some othermeans of, of naming the actor,119601:21:54,420 --> 01:21:58,680so let's just say that it waspodcasting to podcasting to Oh,119701:21:59,100 --> 01:22:05,010at a pod dot podcast index.orgthat okay, that may work for us.119801:22:05,310 --> 01:22:08,340But what about shows withcomplex names? I mean, yes, a119901:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,550show that like I mean, some ofthese like Spanish shows from120001:22:11,850 --> 01:22:17,130from Avox God that I mean,that's a paragraph in the show.120101:22:17,190 --> 01:22:19,620Adam Curry: Yeah, we're namingthe show with with number that120201:22:19,620 --> 01:22:22,230was number five under the seaand stuff like that. That's no120301:22:22,230 --> 01:22:25,680good. I don't know how to getmake that on my keyboard. Yeah,120401:22:25,680 --> 01:22:25,830no,120501:22:25,830 --> 01:22:29,100Dave Jones: I don't I don't havethe antsy layout for this or120601:22:29,100 --> 01:22:29,820whatever this is.120701:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,520Adam Curry: Well, it just, youknow,120801:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,910Dave Jones: I don't I don't knowif it matters.120901:22:35,940 --> 01:22:37,710Adam Curry: I don't think Idon't think it matters at all.121001:22:37,710 --> 01:22:42,750Honestly, I really don't. If youdon't even know if you're slash121101:22:42,750 --> 01:22:45,960Dave were slash user slash Davebecause no one thinks of it that121201:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,960way. It's just I searched forDave and I and a pop pops up a121301:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,950bunch of Dave's and I click thatDave. Yeah. Now that's121401:22:52,950 --> 01:22:57,750interesting. If I do what I saywhen I search not just search121501:22:57,750 --> 01:23:03,390for no agenda up pops itactually takes a bit Dame121601:23:03,390 --> 01:23:07,290Jennifer animated no agenda MikeMiller no idea why and then it121701:23:07,290 --> 01:23:12,840says no agenda. And and if Ihover it it says 401504 at apt121801:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,670up podcast, they peed a podcast.index.org tells me what's inside121901:23:17,670 --> 01:23:18,240the can?122001:23:20,220 --> 01:23:24,780Dave Jones: The label? Yeah,yeah. Yeah, that's disenchanted.122101:23:25,020 --> 01:23:28,050Yeah. See what you mean aboutthis? Just? Because the122201:23:28,050 --> 01:23:28,770invalidate I122301:23:28,770 --> 01:23:31,500Adam Curry: mean, we all have toYeah, that's that's one thing.122401:23:31,710 --> 01:23:35,910But we all have to, I mean,shows will start to populate the122501:23:35,910 --> 01:23:39,990fediverse as people start tofollow them. So we'd love to122601:23:39,990 --> 01:23:43,470build up my list, just for theexperience just to see what it's122701:23:43,470 --> 01:23:48,990like and how that works inDave's podcast app. And then, of122801:23:48,990 --> 01:23:52,170course, of course, I thinkhaving links to your favorite122901:23:52,170 --> 01:23:59,370podcast player is a must. Imean, absolutely. So to and I'm123001:23:59,370 --> 01:24:03,300pretty sure that for most ofthose apps, if I'm mobile, and I123101:24:03,300 --> 01:24:08,340hit it, it will open up the app.Or with the my Android, my123201:24:08,340 --> 01:24:11,670Android phone knows how to dothat. My graphene OS says, oh,123301:24:11,670 --> 01:24:14,010it's pod verse. Okay, I'll openup the app, it knows how to do123401:24:14,010 --> 01:24:14,400that.123501:24:15,450 --> 01:24:19,500Dave Jones: Nathan's Nathan linkto a GitHub repo, where he's got123601:24:19,530 --> 01:24:22,170a bunch of research on how togenerate the different podcast123701:24:22,170 --> 01:24:25,980app links. Oh, cool. So I'lllook into that he's gonna email123801:24:25,980 --> 01:24:28,710that to me. I'll look into thatand see if I can't come up with123901:24:28,710 --> 01:24:32,460a quick way to do that. Rightoff the bat. And the you know,124001:24:32,460 --> 01:24:37,200the other thing is if it'svideo, like if I go if it's a no124101:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,960agenda tube show and I andsomebody you know, goes live124201:24:40,530 --> 01:24:45,000with video, then it needs to beable to open up in a way that124301:24:45,000 --> 01:24:51,330you can see it not just hear itclearly. So that, you know, it's124401:24:52,650 --> 01:24:55,710I think we're, I think we're thebasics of what we're trying to124501:24:55,710 --> 01:24:58,230do are there there's a fewquestion marks about what the124601:24:58,230 --> 01:25:02,790ideas need to be like you said,do that The packets index IDs124701:25:02,790 --> 01:25:05,730are what Nathan centers are theGU IDs, are they? You know, are124801:25:05,730 --> 01:25:09,390they some munging of the namewho do knows? I mean, I think124901:25:09,390 --> 01:25:16,110all that's probably not that bigof a deal. pretty squishy since125001:25:16,110 --> 01:25:19,590this is a bridge but otherpeople. The other thing is that125101:25:19,620 --> 01:25:22,680of this as other people can runbridges if they want to, right.125201:25:23,640 --> 01:25:28,350So all this is this, the basicstructure of this, of this code125301:25:28,620 --> 01:25:34,800is the same old framework thatit runs hella pad and pod ping125401:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,460dot cloud culture, it's thesame.125501:25:38,970 --> 01:25:41,370Adam Curry: Love it. So that's,you know, there's my next125601:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,240there's my next thing is, if Iso choose, how do I get my125701:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,760booster grams to show up undereach episode?125801:25:49,050 --> 01:25:50,910Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Well,that's, that's interesting.125901:25:51,330 --> 01:25:51,570That's,126001:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,370Adam Curry: that's anotherbridge, right? I should be able126101:25:53,370 --> 01:26:00,120to bridge or my node to the, toan account or somehow forces,126201:26:00,150 --> 01:26:03,660whether I'm replying or whateverit is, I should be able to put126301:26:03,660 --> 01:26:05,910that under there. Well,126401:26:06,930 --> 01:26:09,630Dave Jones: that could be thatcould be something to put in the126501:26:09,630 --> 01:26:15,210helipad. It could be somethingin health. So. Right. So what126601:26:15,210 --> 01:26:20,400helipad could do is see the DPCthe episode Yeah,126701:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,440Adam Curry: it knows theaccount. It knows the episode126801:26:22,620 --> 01:26:26,040and say, Okay, well, I'm goingto post the AP to the activity126901:26:26,040 --> 01:26:32,970pub. I'm going to post to thatepisode post these booster127001:26:32,970 --> 01:26:34,560grams. Yeah.127101:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,170Dave Jones: So when so the wayOkay, so the structure, that's127201:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,580okay, let's talk about that fora second. The structure of a127301:26:41,580 --> 01:26:46,500status or what you know, as atoot. In Mastodon parlance, it's127401:26:46,500 --> 01:26:53,790a status in our note in activitypub world that has an ID as well127501:26:53,790 --> 01:26:57,510and the ID is just a URL thatlinks to what the links directly127601:26:57,510 --> 01:27:02,010to the post. So as thepermalink, the permalink and the127701:27:02,010 --> 01:27:08,220permalink for these takes theform of the apt up podcast127801:27:08,220 --> 01:27:15,660index.org/the actor, actors IDas a parameter, and the episodes127901:27:15,690 --> 01:27:20,970do ID as a parameter, right. So,if the episode good is coming128001:27:20,970 --> 01:27:26,220through in the T O V. Thenhelipad should be in other128101:27:26,220 --> 01:27:31,050software should be able to lookat should be able to look at the128201:27:31,440 --> 01:27:40,530the feed ID in the episode Gu IDand construct what the post your128301:27:40,560 --> 01:27:46,500post what the post id is andthen put in then do a reply in128401:27:46,500 --> 01:27:50,700reply to what's in inactivitypub parlance is called an in128501:27:50,700 --> 01:27:55,590reply to property. So you couldjust post the boost to Graham128601:27:56,700 --> 01:28:04,260and set that episode ID as thein reply to field and it should128701:28:04,260 --> 01:28:09,360show up as a reply. Under thethread where Brian post is the128801:28:09,360 --> 01:28:09,720parents128901:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,720Adam Curry: are Eric, Eric p palready posted in the in the129001:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,020boardroom. Yep, add a web hookthing to heli pad. Yeah, that's129101:28:16,020 --> 01:28:18,210the technical term. Exactly.That's what you just said a web129201:28:18,210 --> 01:28:23,280hook thing. To heavy pads. Man.I'm so excited by this.129301:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,730Dave Jones: Yes, I think I mean,I think I think we're, I think129401:28:26,730 --> 01:28:27,450we're cooking here.129501:28:27,570 --> 01:28:31,830Adam Curry: One one question. Soif more people run bridges, what129601:28:31,830 --> 01:28:34,950is the what is what is theadvantage?129701:28:36,900 --> 01:28:40,710Dave Jones: And I just fruit Theadvantage for now is just129801:28:41,520 --> 01:28:42,990decentralization, you know,129901:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,680Adam Curry: it's the same thing.You're, you're running a bridge.130001:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,010Well explain to me130101:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,460Dave Jones: Tell me what a muddyblock is somebody blocks them?130201:28:53,970 --> 01:28:57,900Right now. moster is the onlybridge that bridges activity130301:28:57,900 --> 01:29:02,910puck to noster. And if somebodyblocks that bridge, you're130401:29:02,910 --> 01:29:06,990toast, you can't get any postsfrom one side to the other. But130501:29:06,990 --> 01:29:10,050if there's 15 different bridges,we just flipped to a different130601:29:10,050 --> 01:29:14,640bridge. So like, there's nothere's no way to guarantee it.130701:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,030Guarantee that nobody everblocks any of them. Right?130801:29:18,030 --> 01:29:20,250Somebody could just be a cat andmouse game and just always be130901:29:20,250 --> 01:29:22,770blocking bridges. But thosepeople131001:29:22,770 --> 01:29:24,870Adam Curry: hate all thosepeople hate life who do that if131101:29:24,870 --> 01:29:27,150they if they will. If you'reblocking podcast bridges, you131201:29:27,150 --> 01:29:28,710hate yourself. What are youdoing?131301:29:29,070 --> 01:29:33,990Dave Jones: Yeah, you're Yes,Satan's helper. Like so if you131401:29:34,290 --> 01:29:38,250but if you could run your ownbridge, and then keep it quiet131501:29:38,250 --> 01:29:41,040like you run your own privateMastodon, you could run your own131601:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,890private bridge if you are soinclined for you and a group of131701:29:43,890 --> 01:29:47,910people course and you know, sothe, it's just having that131801:29:47,910 --> 01:29:54,690software out there is having asoftware out there and the131901:29:54,690 --> 01:29:57,600ability to have multiplebridges. I think just gives a132001:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,330little bit of it makes it itgives us It's132101:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,850Adam Curry: so Nathan G askedcorrectly if there's multiple132201:30:02,850 --> 01:30:06,180bridges when a user search formo facts get multiple results, I132301:30:06,180 --> 01:30:09,690guess the answer is yes. Yeah,for sure. By the end, you just132401:30:09,990 --> 01:30:11,940you subscribe to the bridge ofyour choice.132501:30:12,570 --> 01:30:16,770Dave Jones: It just like if youhad just like if I have multiple132601:30:16,770 --> 01:30:20,940accounts, multiple ad Daveaccounts on different yesterday,132701:30:21,570 --> 01:30:22,170they would show132801:30:22,170 --> 01:30:24,600Adam Curry: up. So you couldalways do your search will be mo132901:30:24,600 --> 01:30:30,420fax, AP, or podcasts index. Andwe'll probably parse through it133001:30:30,420 --> 01:30:33,360and find the right one or if Idid want my own search, I'll do133101:30:33,480 --> 01:30:36,480mo fax Adams private bridge.133201:30:37,230 --> 01:30:38,580Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah.133301:30:40,140 --> 01:30:41,790Adam Curry: Yeah, we arecooking. We're cooking with133401:30:41,790 --> 01:30:42,420propane.133501:30:44,460 --> 01:30:46,380Unknown: sterno, baby sterno133601:30:46,590 --> 01:30:49,590Dave Jones: sterno. Is that likethe camping thing? Yes. I133701:30:49,590 --> 01:30:50,490Adam Curry: love sir. No.133801:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,020Dave Jones: Alcohol jelly isalways turnover.133901:30:55,050 --> 01:30:57,360Adam Curry: Yeah, you can drinkit. It's, then it's called134001:30:57,360 --> 01:31:02,100Thunderbird. Mad Dog. 20. Right.That's right.134101:31:04,110 --> 01:31:06,540Dave Jones: Okay, well, I thinkwe're Yeah, I think that's134201:31:06,540 --> 01:31:09,750pretty much the basics. And wow.So the other the other thing134301:31:09,750 --> 01:31:14,880that I would like to happen withthis, and I'm committing myself134401:31:14,880 --> 01:31:21,630to do this right now is in thenear in the near future in in134501:31:21,630 --> 01:31:26,580January, at some point inJanuary, I'm going to write a an134601:31:26,580 --> 01:31:33,120explainer and go through thebasics of what the bridge is134701:31:33,120 --> 01:31:38,970doing. But with the aim ofexplaining activity pub, to134801:31:38,970 --> 01:31:43,980podcast developers, because it'sactually an extremely simple134901:31:43,980 --> 01:31:50,400protocol. Like it, when youstart when you went, if you get135001:31:50,430 --> 01:31:54,300started to get started withactivity pub, what most people135101:31:54,300 --> 01:31:57,660do is Google around for thespec. And when you see the spec,135201:31:57,840 --> 01:32:02,490you're like, Oh, crap, becauseit's just, it's just a bunch of,135301:32:02,700 --> 01:32:06,450it just looks like nonsense. Andit's like, you know, pages and135401:32:06,450 --> 01:32:12,180pages and pages of stuff. But ifyou boil it all down, the basics135501:32:12,180 --> 01:32:18,780are extremely simple. And reallyan an activity pub server can135601:32:18,780 --> 01:32:24,300own. You can write an activitypub server. And with only like,135701:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,430three endpoints that deliverJSON that that's all you need.135801:32:29,790 --> 01:32:33,570So it's actually an extremelysimple protocol and very easy to135901:32:33,660 --> 01:32:36,300to understand conceptually, ifsomebody explains it to you136001:32:36,300 --> 01:32:38,670correctly. Now, how I'm going todo that? How136101:32:38,670 --> 01:32:42,660Adam Curry: do the app devsthere's something they even need136201:32:42,660 --> 01:32:45,960to think about? Is there reasonsfor them to start looking at136301:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,170this? If so, what if not? And136401:32:49,260 --> 01:32:51,300Dave Jones: I think I think so.Yeah, I think so. Because,136501:32:51,930 --> 01:32:57,210because activity Pub is the opensource. It's now settled, I'm136601:32:57,210 --> 01:33:00,540gonna say it is settled.Activity, pub is the king of136701:33:00,540 --> 01:33:04,380open source commentingprotocols. And remember, we're136801:33:04,380 --> 01:33:08,940not on that chat, we're talkingabout, about, about commenting136901:33:08,940 --> 01:33:14,430and activity. And it's the it isthe is the king of those137001:33:14,430 --> 01:33:20,850protocols. And it I think itmakes a lot of sense for podcast137101:33:20,850 --> 01:33:26,610apps, to be able to pull in thisdata, that the data that's137201:33:26,610 --> 01:33:33,600happening around podcasts thattheir users listened to, in a137301:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,650native way, so that they don'thave to depend on sort of like137401:33:37,650 --> 01:33:40,200web views and all these weirdthings. So if they, if they137501:33:40,200 --> 01:33:44,070speak a little bit of activitypub natively, they can do some137601:33:44,070 --> 01:33:48,750really fun stuff. So I thinkthat's what that's sort of my137701:33:48,750 --> 01:33:53,070goal with the explainer is toshow how is to go through, go137801:33:53,070 --> 01:33:57,960through my go to the code of thebridge. And then just boil it137901:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,230all down to a few simple ideasand share and hopefully get138001:34:01,230 --> 01:34:03,060arised juices flowing so theycan interact.138101:34:03,090 --> 01:34:07,380Adam Curry: So let me let me letme squeeze your your creative138201:34:07,380 --> 01:34:16,230fruit. No. You're now AinsleyCostello then there's apps that138301:34:16,230 --> 01:34:22,830have your music. And how do youuse this with activity pub138401:34:22,830 --> 01:34:30,780slash? Mastodon? How can you usethis? Or what do you need extra138501:34:30,780 --> 01:34:35,010to build your community aroundyour music?138601:34:37,170 --> 01:34:39,840Dave Jones: I think you have it.I mean, like you This is we138701:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,750talked about this before whereyou had this idea where the138801:34:42,750 --> 01:34:46,560musicians are like, where do wesend people? Like where do138901:34:46,560 --> 01:34:51,060people go to interact with Yeah,music is posted now. Now the139001:34:51,090 --> 01:34:53,520music it just it just postsitself.139101:34:54,630 --> 01:34:56,550Adam Curry: And so really likereally you want your own139201:34:56,550 --> 01:35:01,680Mastodon server for eight bucksa month. Yeah, so you want to139301:35:01,680 --> 01:35:07,020send people to a mastodon dotAinslie costello.com Then people139401:35:07,020 --> 01:35:10,710can you know and you met youhave your your songs already139501:35:10,710 --> 01:35:16,620there right do you have your dogalready pre pre loaded followed139601:35:16,620 --> 01:35:20,100every every followed everythingso it all shows up and then you139701:35:20,100 --> 01:35:23,790show up underneath your songsaying oh here's here's how I139801:35:23,790 --> 01:35:27,180made the song or I mean stufflike that okay okay139901:35:27,210 --> 01:35:29,820Dave Jones: yes definitely thator or somebody can grab the code140001:35:29,820 --> 01:35:34,350once I posted and create a musicspecific bridge Stop140101:35:34,350 --> 01:35:37,230Adam Curry: it even be not yetthe codes not up yet slow down140201:35:37,470 --> 01:35:38,430slow down slow down140301:35:41,820 --> 01:35:45,600Dave Jones: yeah we get youmusic specific bridge wow where140401:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,870it's artist focused for summarythat who knows. I mean, that's140501:35:48,870 --> 01:35:51,180the thing is the gig. Yeah, we140601:35:51,180 --> 01:35:53,040Adam Curry: don't know. We don'tknow. But we don't know. All the140701:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,410possibilities are out there.This is dynamite brother. This140801:35:55,410 --> 01:36:00,600is so cool. Thanks. This is itmakes me excited about Mastodon140901:36:01,560 --> 01:36:01,920Yeah,141001:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,220Dave Jones: Mastodon got boring.Yeah, makes it not boring. Yeah,141101:36:05,250 --> 01:36:05,700yeah.141201:36:06,540 --> 01:36:08,880Adam Curry: For bit for a bithere for a bit. Let's thanks141301:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,900some people. I gotta get you outon time. We have rove ducks141401:36:12,900 --> 01:36:17,340here. 2222 from salty crayon.And he says hello boardroom what141501:36:17,340 --> 01:36:21,480an exciting 2023 was in thepodcasting 2.0 universe. I went141601:36:21,480 --> 01:36:25,560from onboarding I am Texas slim,to creating my own V for V music141701:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,340podcast, which is upbeats Yougotta listen to it. All. Thanks,141801:36:29,340 --> 01:36:31,680everyone that is running withscissors that made this all141901:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,950possible can't wait to see whatwe do in 2024. We're at the top142001:36:34,950 --> 01:36:39,840of the mountain and we're onlyhalfway up. Happy New Year five142101:36:39,840 --> 01:36:47,310by five in the pipe and gopodcast. 17,776 just came in142201:36:47,310 --> 01:36:50,340from blueberry. That's the pewpew you heard and Ainsley and I142301:36:50,580 --> 01:36:52,980are going to be reading throughall the boosts and zaps from the142401:36:52,980 --> 01:36:57,030live concerts last week at 7pmCentral tonight will be live and142501:36:57,030 --> 01:37:00,240lit on the BTS feed. I've alsostarted chewing on some142601:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,750potential gear for a show inNashville so far. I've tracked142701:37:03,750 --> 01:37:08,550down possibly 62 intelligentlighting fixtures. Oh, wow.142801:37:08,550 --> 01:37:14,820Okay. Oh, I mentioned. So podfest is coming up. And I believe142901:37:14,820 --> 01:37:18,750they will be streaming somethings live. I have no idea143001:37:18,750 --> 01:37:21,870who's in charge of what oranything but I would love to143101:37:21,870 --> 01:37:25,440follow a pod fest feed. And Iwould I'm not going to go to the143201:37:25,440 --> 01:37:28,800conference. I would love tofollow the I'd love to follow143301:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,170that if there's something liveand you know, I don't know143401:37:31,170 --> 01:37:33,990anyone feels like they want tojump in there. But these are the143501:37:33,990 --> 01:37:38,760types of things that we shouldbe doing for our for our own for143601:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,690our own community. And there's10,000 SATs for music Mama.143701:37:43,440 --> 01:37:44,760Unknown: Oh, mama. Yes, I143801:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,710Adam Curry: think I know whothat is. Yeah, angels mom.143901:37:48,780 --> 01:37:51,480Dave Jones: And Julie Mom's gotit go in.144001:37:53,190 --> 01:37:55,830Adam Curry: That you just madeit creepy Dave. Oh, sorry.144101:37:56,190 --> 01:37:58,920Dave Jones: I meant Stacy'smom's. Okay. Thumbs up. We're144201:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,170Adam Curry: talking my language.Yes. I asked the question for144301:38:01,170 --> 01:38:04,980you specifically music mama. Wegot circus media. Happy New144401:38:04,980 --> 01:38:09,240Year. Adam and Dave gopodcasting. And we have Dred144501:38:09,240 --> 01:38:14,700Scott 4567 from Dred Scott. Hejust says head over there and144601:38:14,700 --> 01:38:24,060boost boost. And another onefrom Dred Scott 45678 45,000 I144701:38:24,060 --> 01:38:25,830think these days most of the144801:38:27,570 --> 01:38:30,540Unknown: blades on the Impalaand144901:38:30,540 --> 01:38:33,660Adam Curry: let me see if we gotanything else. Then I hit the145001:38:33,660 --> 01:38:35,370delimiter so over to you.145101:38:36,660 --> 01:38:41,700Dave Jones: Well, first of allthe boys that rss.com145201:38:42,630 --> 01:38:45,240Adam Curry: Send us a night Igot a nice email from a nice145301:38:45,270 --> 01:38:46,410email. The145401:38:46,410 --> 01:38:50,190Dave Jones: email included a PayPal of $2,024145501:38:50,460 --> 01:38:52,350Adam Curry: Holy crap145601:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,240Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze Ohon the hem Paula145701:39:04,080 --> 01:39:08,910Adam Curry: it works better Ican't do it that well. Anyway,145801:39:08,910 --> 01:39:12,450thank you. So that's that's aNew Year's boost a New Year's145901:39:12,450 --> 01:39:13,710baller boost146001:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,250Unknown: Are you record I am wecan we can we go and get ya146101:39:17,250 --> 01:39:18,960boost. Boost boost.146201:39:18,990 --> 01:39:23,490Adam Curry: Thank you so much.Wow, guys, thank you. Note146301:39:23,490 --> 01:39:25,620Dave Jones: from Ben over there.He says hey, admin, Dave, we146401:39:25,620 --> 01:39:28,290want to wish you and allcontributors have time, talent146501:39:28,290 --> 01:39:32,100and treasure. A very happy,successful and productive 2024146601:39:32,460 --> 01:39:35,190We're so excited for the futureof podcasting is see so much146701:39:35,190 --> 01:39:38,730more to come over the horizon.Your friends@rss.com146801:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,390Adam Curry: Thank youfriends@rss.com. You guys are146901:39:42,390 --> 01:39:48,570great. I appreciate that somuch. There it is. As I said, We147001:39:48,570 --> 01:39:51,660exist the whole thing is becauseof the decentralized nature of147101:39:51,660 --> 01:39:55,860the podcast hosting companies.That's your ecosystem. Again,147201:39:55,890 --> 01:39:58,860YouTube is evil. Yes,147301:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,940Dave Jones: Satan's helper. Wehave We have booster grand. That147401:40:02,940 --> 01:40:06,390was our only pay pal. And it wasa nice one. Thank you guys and147501:40:06,390 --> 01:40:10,770we have boost though. We havechyron for one to eight. Do the147601:40:10,770 --> 01:40:14,070podcast index, he says,listening to podcasts and 2.0147701:40:14,070 --> 01:40:16,800I've always felt like a securityguard tuning into the boardroom147801:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,100the next day on grainy black andwhite security cameras. What147901:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,610shenanigans did they get up tothe day before? Oh, Adam has148001:40:23,610 --> 01:40:26,820some as broken someone's app.And Dave must be sick because148101:40:26,820 --> 01:40:30,180everyone is keeping theirdistance was an absolute148201:40:30,180 --> 01:40:33,750pleasure to get the experiencefirsthand. Essential one of that148301:40:33,810 --> 01:40:35,730Merry Christmas to all and148401:40:35,730 --> 01:40:38,400Adam Curry: to all good night.Thank you. Kira. And we had a148501:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,830good time. That was a funepisode. I like that it was it148601:40:40,830 --> 01:40:44,280was great to have you on andgreat to get your take was was148701:40:44,280 --> 01:40:44,940really nice.148801:40:45,900 --> 01:40:49,050Dave Jones: Sir Brian of London101948 baller boost.148901:40:49,830 --> 01:40:53,460Unknown: Hello Bala Sakala 20 is149001:40:53,460 --> 01:40:55,950blades on the Impala149101:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,980Dave Jones: through cast Matiche says Merry Christmas boost.149201:40:59,010 --> 01:41:03,810He's a Christmas Jew and wishingfor a peaceful New Year of 2024149301:41:03,810 --> 01:41:06,450for the whole podcast in Tupelofamily even when I mentioned149401:41:06,450 --> 01:41:11,070hive runs pod ping on nosterthat we find where you're149501:41:11,070 --> 01:41:13,830getting your gang tackled on the149601:41:13,830 --> 01:41:16,260Adam Curry: only the only guywhere I'd say I hope you have no149701:41:16,260 --> 01:41:17,880fireworks on New Years.149801:41:18,330 --> 01:41:21,300Dave Jones: Amen to that. Yeah.Thanks, Brian. Appreciate you149901:41:21,300 --> 01:41:25,620buddy. Bad career advice. Chadsatchel Richards 1111. He says150001:41:25,860 --> 01:41:28,680regarding social comments, thiswas an interesting conversation.150101:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,650But it sounds like what wassettled on was YouTube super150201:41:31,650 --> 01:41:35,580chats with SATs, butdecentralized and no requirement150301:41:35,580 --> 01:41:39,000for a money transfer license. Ithink there is a recency bias on150401:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,140the part of Adam with hisgrowing tired tiredness of NAS150501:41:43,440 --> 01:41:48,840and social media in general. Theproblem was you get See, the150601:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,750problem you get is when peoplewant their interaction to be150701:41:51,750 --> 01:41:56,040stored as I was here in motion.I think there needs to be a150801:41:56,040 --> 01:41:59,640balance drive between userinterface and user experience150901:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,560and pod father sage vision.151001:42:02,730 --> 01:42:09,390Adam Curry: Absolutely. And letme just quantify that. So it's151101:42:10,050 --> 01:42:13,470no agenda social is just asgotten boring for me because151201:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,060it's just like this game totroll me. And so when I go151301:42:18,060 --> 01:42:21,510there, it's not fun. It's likeyeah, I can obviously a very151401:42:21,510 --> 01:42:24,270thick skin but it's like I'm notgoing if I want to see151501:42:24,270 --> 01:42:27,960interesting art I'm so I findmyself going to the the live151601:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,840server button more than anythingjust to see what other people151701:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,420are posting, but I won'tinteract because if I interact,151801:42:33,540 --> 01:42:37,380then someone's gonna saysomething. And I'm okay with151901:42:37,380 --> 01:42:41,430trolling. But I like trolling ina chat room. And I want people152001:42:41,430 --> 01:42:45,510to troll as hard as they canagainst me. Because I go, it's152101:42:45,510 --> 01:42:48,150like there's only 20 lines andit scrolls off and I don't see152201:42:48,150 --> 01:42:50,940it anymore. And it's gone. So itcan't hurt me. It can't come152301:42:50,940 --> 01:42:54,540back. It's like okay, you saidsomething funny. It's and I can152401:42:54,540 --> 01:42:58,950handle it like that. And it'sthis the ephemeral versus that152501:42:58,950 --> 01:43:01,380it's there forever waiting forme to show up.152601:43:02,490 --> 01:43:06,210Dave Jones: Yeah. Versus theslow motion train wreck troll152701:43:06,210 --> 01:43:09,720that happens in a in a mastodonchat. Yeah, see? Yeah,152801:43:09,780 --> 01:43:12,870Adam Curry: that's all and ofcourse, once I brought it up152901:43:12,870 --> 01:43:17,130now, you know, that was thecardinal mistake. Oh, now we're153001:43:17,130 --> 01:43:21,630gonna troll them all the time.He hates memes. Look, I've153101:43:21,630 --> 01:43:24,720created Adam curry meme account,Hagner tag you and every meme I153201:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,170send. That's fun, and I don'twant to be blocked and all the153301:43:28,170 --> 01:43:30,870time. You know, it's like,sometimes things are funny, but153401:43:30,870 --> 01:43:35,280people that's just the nature ofthis human nature. So, but to go153501:43:35,280 --> 01:43:39,630to an Ainsley Costello accountwhere you know, there's people153601:43:39,630 --> 01:43:44,070talking about her music. Yeah.Yeah, I think that would be153701:43:44,100 --> 01:43:45,000that'd be great.153801:43:47,070 --> 01:43:51,780Dave Jones: That's this is abasically. Mastodon or any153901:43:51,780 --> 01:43:55,530social media. It's it's yourmom. It's your parents house154001:43:55,530 --> 01:43:56,640when your parents are gone.154101:43:56,940 --> 01:44:00,690Adam Curry: Yeah, basically.Yes, exactly. I mean, so and I154201:44:00,690 --> 01:44:05,220would expect Ainsley to have herown Mastodon server, and if she154301:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,580feels like there's someone outof control, she can take action.154401:44:09,150 --> 01:44:11,460Yeah, yeah, whatever she needsto do.154501:44:12,930 --> 01:44:15,210Dave Jones: Bad career advicechatter again. 1111 through154601:44:15,210 --> 01:44:17,550fountain he says regardingKaren's view of booster grams.154701:44:17,790 --> 01:44:19,950That is certainly oneexperience. The problem is that154801:44:19,950 --> 01:44:23,280you don't want to project yourthoughts on how podcasts should154901:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,400be experienced. Karen washesdishes never looked at the155001:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,400player. Bet career advice Chadfor the sake of this example155101:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,980likes to burn his retinas withblue light staring at the same155201:44:31,980 --> 01:44:35,100podcast art. Both experiencesshould be a common as should be155301:44:35,100 --> 01:44:38,460accommodated. Else podcasting2.0 takes the same tack as155401:44:38,460 --> 01:44:40,560noster and dictates theexperience.155501:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,580Adam Curry: You can argue withKen No argument of course, of155601:44:44,580 --> 01:44:45,060course.155701:44:46,380 --> 01:44:48,630Dave Jones: Bad career advicejab me he's burning up the155801:44:48,630 --> 01:44:52,110airwaves, a 1111. He says thatdevelopers should be creating155901:44:52,110 --> 01:44:55,290the experience that they thinktheir customers would like the156001:44:55,290 --> 01:44:59,490most popular will economicallydominate podcasting 2.0 as he's156101:44:59,490 --> 01:45:02,250composed 2.0 is a protocolshould allow developers to be156201:45:02,250 --> 01:45:05,730able to compete in an openmarketplace. It does experience156301:45:05,730 --> 01:45:08,430it does. It does. Thank you forcoming to my TED Talk.156401:45:10,469 --> 01:45:13,469Adam Curry: It does. Of courseit does. I mean, yeah. And we've156501:45:13,469 --> 01:45:16,769seen lots of differentiatorsbetween apps I love I use156601:45:16,769 --> 01:45:18,329multiple apps for that veryreason.156701:45:20,400 --> 01:45:26,070Dave Jones: This Oh, he says afew. A few more. Satchel156801:45:26,070 --> 01:45:30,360Richards he says, I'm going todrain my wallet 11111 at a time156901:45:30,360 --> 01:45:34,740shitposting listening to thisepisode. We saw you both Thank157001:45:34,740 --> 01:45:35,160you. Thank you.157101:45:35,550 --> 01:45:36,840Unknown: I saw him to believeme. I157201:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,700Adam Curry: got helipad open24/7157301:45:41,190 --> 01:45:45,540Dave Jones: see oh music mama100,000 SATs Whoa.157401:45:47,010 --> 01:45:49,140Unknown: She be big baller musicmom.157501:45:49,860 --> 01:45:53,430Dave Jones: It Truly MadlyDeeply grateful boosting is157601:45:53,430 --> 01:45:56,100loving. Thank you music mamaappreciate you. Thank157701:45:56,100 --> 01:45:59,850Adam Curry: you. We appreciateyou. You You gave your baby girl157801:45:59,850 --> 01:46:05,670to us to to throw her into theRSS pool works and we gave her157901:46:05,670 --> 01:46:07,290back better than ever.158001:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,230Dave Jones: That career advicechat again with a bachelor's she158101:46:10,230 --> 01:46:14,820says boosting one more timebecause Christmas. George158201:46:14,820 --> 01:46:18,660Orwell's road dogs 2222. He saysMerry Christmas. Thank you,158301:46:18,690 --> 01:46:25,050George Orwell appreciate that.Cole McCormick sent 5492 through158401:46:25,050 --> 01:46:27,900fountain he says I need to sharehow I'm running with scissors in158501:46:27,900 --> 01:46:31,710this moment. I really want tobuild up the for the cinema. I158601:46:31,710 --> 01:46:34,470just posted my new little shortfilm magic mushroom fun time.158701:46:34,470 --> 01:46:35,100Did you see that?158801:46:35,940 --> 01:46:36,480Adam Curry: Yes.158901:46:36,960 --> 01:46:37,860Unknown: Oh yes, I159001:46:37,860 --> 01:46:42,330Adam Curry: did that. Alex sentit to me. I was crazy and I love159101:46:42,330 --> 01:46:46,230that it just popped open and podverse played right there.159201:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,240Dave Jones: See I posted in mynew short film, magic mushroom159301:46:51,240 --> 01:46:55,110fun time oh no agenda tube andgiving my team splits. I was159401:46:55,110 --> 01:46:58,290heavily inspired by Fantasia.The whole movie is one homeless159501:46:58,290 --> 01:47:02,490Moses song with me dancing andseeing wild shapes and colors. A159601:47:02,490 --> 01:47:06,480combined V for V music, AIimaging traditional filmmaking159701:47:06,480 --> 01:47:10,380techniques and magic mushrooms.This comes from the purest place159801:47:10,380 --> 01:47:13,770in my heart please check it outif you have seven minutes. We159901:47:13,770 --> 01:47:17,700Adam Curry: do. Oh Phoebe'sPhoebe is Andhra magic160001:47:17,700 --> 01:47:18,330mushrooms.160101:47:20,070 --> 01:47:24,240Dave Jones: Attack mode. Let'ssee CASP eland 3693 found and he160201:47:24,240 --> 01:47:30,270says no. Wait. No strollingsets. Oh, he160301:47:30,270 --> 01:47:31,950Adam Curry: must make me screamscreaming160401:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,900Dave Jones: no streaming setson. Fountain. He says so many160501:47:36,900 --> 01:47:41,070typos on fountain one point x. Ithink I need to update my160601:47:41,070 --> 01:47:45,810profile. Cast. You're drunk.Yeah,160701:47:46,500 --> 01:47:48,060Adam Curry: that's right. You'redrunk.160801:47:48,090 --> 01:47:49,050Unknown: That's That's it?160901:47:49,080 --> 01:47:49,920Adam Curry: You're drunk. Sorry.161001:47:50,490 --> 01:47:54,930Dave Jones: Forged fo 7777 HappyNew Year. Well, Happy New Year.161101:47:54,930 --> 01:48:00,990Do you forge folk? Jean Bensonis 2222 through cast Matic he161201:48:00,990 --> 01:48:03,870says Dave mark on the Linuxmatters podcast has been talking161301:48:03,870 --> 01:48:07,080about fortifying his staticblog. And I think he may have161401:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,180solved some of the samechallenges you're talking about161501:48:09,180 --> 01:48:14,340here. Here's the show and Markis any links me to them? Okay.161601:48:14,580 --> 01:48:17,910Well, thank you. Thanks, Jean.Appreciate that. Yeah, I'll161701:48:17,910 --> 01:48:19,020follow him on mastodon.161801:48:19,530 --> 01:48:24,390Adam Curry: A late entry from DSlaughs 20,000 SATs love you too,161901:48:24,420 --> 01:48:26,700even though I don't understandmost of the tech.162001:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,040Dave Jones: Ernest, Ernest162101:48:32,970 --> 01:48:37,140Adam Curry: ball he's a V for Vmusic artist. So he's he's here162201:48:37,140 --> 01:48:39,090for the ride. Yep, in the162301:48:39,090 --> 01:48:41,880Dave Jones: mushrooms. ComicStrip. Bugger. 10,000 SATs162401:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,600through fountain that limiter hesays Happy New Year 2020 for162501:48:45,600 --> 01:48:49,380podcasting 2.0 team but youraudio be crisp your content162601:48:49,380 --> 01:48:52,560engaging in your subscribersmultiplying faster than Tribbles162701:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,920on the Starship Enterprise? Yo,CSB. Yo162801:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,100Adam Curry: he's posting stuffnow but he's that he's clearly162901:48:59,100 --> 01:49:04,050he's I saw him on podcast indexdot social. He posted something163001:49:04,050 --> 01:49:07,950gave a rationale. He was like,this sucks. rationale, colons.163101:49:08,910 --> 01:49:10,680Now it's all chat GPT output.163201:49:12,390 --> 01:49:14,790Unknown: Come on, man. We seewhat's going on. We see what163301:49:14,790 --> 01:49:15,360you're doing.163401:49:16,140 --> 01:49:18,630Dave Jones: Every everything CSBsays is in the form of a163501:49:18,630 --> 01:49:19,230syllogism.163601:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,340Adam Curry: He's in Georgia,okay. He's important to us.163701:49:23,970 --> 01:49:26,520Dave Jones: Thank you CSB. He'sclearly emerged from his163801:49:26,520 --> 01:49:28,680hibernation of Decemberhibernate. Yeah. How163901:49:28,680 --> 01:49:32,340Adam Curry: did the I want toknow how your test went? He was164001:49:32,340 --> 01:49:34,830he was doing a test he had likesome big tests he had to study164101:49:34,830 --> 01:49:39,330for for AI certification orsomething. Let us know. The164201:49:40,830 --> 01:49:43,350Dave Jones: month Okay,monthlies, Jordan Dunnville $10164301:49:43,350 --> 01:49:49,650and dribs got $15. MichaelKimmerer $5.33 Pedro gan calvess164401:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,050$5. And that's our group.Beautiful.164501:49:52,050 --> 01:49:55,020Adam Curry: Thank you all somuch for another year in the164601:49:55,020 --> 01:49:59,310podcasting 2.0 value for valueecosystem, as someone say164701:49:59,340 --> 01:50:03,000ecosystem It's all value forvalue, you deliver your time,164801:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,030your talent, your treasure, andwe keep moving the project164901:50:06,030 --> 01:50:09,090forward. Thank you all so muchfor your input. And in this165001:50:09,090 --> 01:50:14,070case, for your booster Graham'speople in the boardroom, and,165101:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,490and for the code that youslaying and for the booths that165201:50:17,490 --> 01:50:22,590you're sending, we have such agreat, great, great collection165301:50:22,620 --> 01:50:26,700of people that have come come tothis project, it goes directly165401:50:26,700 --> 01:50:30,030towards the project. Everythingis for the servers, keep165501:50:30,030 --> 01:50:33,270everything running, we keep allof the stats on the node. If you165601:50:33,270 --> 01:50:35,940need liquidity, let me knowhappy to help you out. Go to165701:50:35,940 --> 01:50:39,990podcast index.org. At the bottomyou'll see two red donate165801:50:39,990 --> 01:50:43,890buttons. One is for your Fiatfun coupons. And as usual, I165901:50:43,890 --> 01:50:47,010will go one more time to checkthe other one which is for your166001:50:47,010 --> 01:50:49,920on chain member of you're goingto send all those big Bitcoin to166101:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,160us and nothing at all. So thankyou for that. But of course, we166201:50:53,160 --> 01:50:57,360really want you to go to modernpodcast apps.com and pick up one166301:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,630of the apps that you can send usa boost with stream SATs not166401:51:00,630 --> 01:51:05,760just us but all of the almost16,000 podcasts and now also166501:51:05,760 --> 01:51:09,810artists with songs that are partof the big podcasting 2.0166601:51:09,810 --> 01:51:12,300experience. Thank you all somuch. We really appreciate it.166701:51:14,070 --> 01:51:19,260Dave Jones: Got you got to getto try out that. That ISO. Do166801:51:19,290 --> 01:51:21,630they see the asset says yes,that's a good one.166901:51:21,750 --> 01:51:26,550Adam Curry: Okay. Yes. I'm gonnasee you got a couple more. Do167001:51:26,550 --> 01:51:28,140you mind if I check them all outfor a second?167101:51:28,440 --> 01:51:30,900Unknown: run and run it run?100% Yeah,167201:51:30,930 --> 01:51:33,030Adam Curry: I knew you weregonna do that one. Goodbye.167301:51:33,450 --> 01:51:41,550Goodbye is good. Good. Okay, Ithink I have a good one for the167401:51:41,550 --> 01:51:45,600end here. I'm gonna say that.Okay, but there's another one167501:51:45,630 --> 01:51:46,890that I missed one. You167601:51:46,890 --> 01:51:52,740Dave Jones: missed one youmissed well. Oh, wow. All right.167701:51:53,670 --> 01:51:54,900Every surfer gun167801:51:54,930 --> 01:51:58,770Unknown: Wow. Wow. Man. Wow,baby.167901:51:59,340 --> 01:52:03,000Adam Curry: All right, Dave.Hey, brother. Have yourself a168001:52:03,000 --> 01:52:07,680great, great new year. We say inHolland in the old country say a168101:52:07,680 --> 01:52:11,730year change have a great yearchange sounds sounds better in168201:52:11,730 --> 01:52:12,870Dutch yard whistling168301:52:13,620 --> 01:52:15,750Dave Jones: Yes. Sounds morelike you're going to the to the168401:52:15,750 --> 01:52:17,460audit. You know, it's like toget your tires.168501:52:19,350 --> 01:52:22,470Adam Curry: Have a great yearchange? Yeah, a year rotation.168601:52:22,470 --> 01:52:25,830There you go. Man. Thank you. Ilove you so much, brother. So168701:52:25,830 --> 01:52:30,090much fun to do this with you. Ienjoy my Fridays. I really do. I168801:52:30,090 --> 01:52:32,100always look forward to Friday,always,168901:52:32,310 --> 01:52:34,500Dave Jones: always do getexcited, especially when there's169001:52:34,500 --> 01:52:36,090something to share. That's good.Well,169101:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,220Adam Curry: great job on this. Ican't wait to see where this169201:52:38,220 --> 01:52:41,010goes. Wherever the whole grouptakes it. It's up to you guys169301:52:41,010 --> 01:52:44,190and gals. Happy New Yearboardroom. Thank you for being169401:52:44,190 --> 01:52:49,200here for podcasting. 2.0 Episode161 We'll be back in 2024 with169501:52:49,200 --> 01:52:52,440more of your very own podcasting2.0.169601:53:08,580 --> 01:53:13,170Unknown: You have been listeningto podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast169701:53:13,170 --> 01:53:17,220index.org. For more information,go podcast.169801:53:18,420 --> 01:53:20,040Dave Jones: Wow, it's orgasmic.