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Before long, the summer of mercy was thrust upon the public.
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Whether they'd been involved or even aware of the national conversation around abortion
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or not.
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In 1991, Wichita Police arrested potentially up to 3,000 protesters, thousands of anti-abortion
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activists gathered for what began as a week-long protest that seemingly never lost
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steam. Spanning several more.
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PNW Haunts and Homicides where we talk about tru crime, the paranorml, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest. We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our
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topic for the week, so make sure you stick around if you're into that.
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It's a nice little palette cleanser at the end of a true crime or a scary story.
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Yeah, I think we're gonna need it this week.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Before we get started today, we are going to switch things up.
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We're gonna do a Patreon shout out right at the top.
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Who are we shouting out today?
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Crystal with a K.
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Oh my God, we have always said we love crystals.
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We do love crystals.
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And now we have our very own Krystal person.
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Oh my God, she's cracking herself up over here.
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Yes, Krystal actually joined as an annual Patreon member.
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So literally is stuck with us for a year.
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I know.
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Can you imagine?
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Oh, Krystal person.
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We are gonna have so much fun.
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Yeah.
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We're super excited to have you.
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Thanks for joining us.
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And I think the annual membership thing is kind of cool because you get a discount off
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the monthly tier rate.
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So I think so too.
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No, you definitely do.
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I think that's cool.
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Yeah, I think it's cool too.
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That's where it's going without that.
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I don't know the details.
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I'm assuming you know the details of Patreon because I don't keep track.
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So just to clarify, welcome Krystal.
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We think the annual membership is really cool.
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And I think that's that.
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We also have a book review for Patreon on December 2nd.
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Yes.
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Saturday, December 2nd.
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What time is it?
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2pm, 12/2 at 2pm.
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Pacific, standard time.
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Obviously.
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Because that's where we are.
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That's where we are.
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PNW baby.
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Our book review and discussion is going to be centered on bright young women, a novel by
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Jessica Knoll.
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And it has a, I don't know.
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Can I say it?
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Or am I going to give too much away?
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I don't know.
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It has a real hashtag never Bundy vibe to it.
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Yeah, definitely.
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And I think we've talked about it before.
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Okay.
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In one of the last episodes.
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Jessica Knoll is also the author of the book "Luckiest Girl Alive," which was of course then
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turned into a movie, which is one of my favorites of all time.
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Because I am the creepiest of creepy people.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She creepier than me.
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I don't know about that.
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Just creepy in different ways.
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Yeah.
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Well, should we say about that?
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Should we stop stalling and get to your topic here?
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I guess.
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All right.
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Born March 31st of 1956 to teenage parents and conceived out of wedlock, Shelley came
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from humble beginnings in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin.
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Ooh, Wisconsin.
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Yeah.
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Oh, Beaver Dam too.
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Beaver Dam.
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That kind of relates to Oregon.
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Yep.
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Beaver State, is that what we are?
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I think so, yeah.
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In 1974, she would become a young teenage mother herself when she gave birth to her first
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child, a daughter.
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She met David Shannon soon after, and within about a year, the couple had a child together,
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a son.
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The family of four moved all over the West Coast before eventually settling in
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Grants Pass, Oregon in 1988.
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Wow.
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That's kind of a random place to land after traveling all over the West Coast.
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Yeah.
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I think so.
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It's kind of like out there.
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It is.
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It's a little rural.
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Definitely.
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Rural juror.
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Shelley was primarily a stay-at-home mother during this time, though leading up to the dramatic
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events that made her infamous, Shelley had not been raised in the church or actively sought
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out religion by her own account.
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As an adult, she would begin regularly attending church services and women's Bible study classes.
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That sounds really wholesome.
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I have a feeling it's not going to stay that way.
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Yeah.
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When living in Grand Pass, Shelley would become well acquainted, not just with religion,
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but with one of the great crusades of right-wing radical religious groups, anti-abortion activism.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how much you know about this.
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Probably not a lot.
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Things tend to make me angry beyond the point of comprehension.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I try to stay away from things.
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Yeah.
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You're going to learn a lot now.
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And then I think probably based on that, you'll go ahead and block it out again.
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Okay.
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We'll try.
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In 1988, she began getting involved with the National Right to Life Committee.
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Partially the oldest and largest of anti-abortion groups in the United States.
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From there, she was quickly and completely indoctrinated by the arguably even more radical
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operation rescue.
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An extremist anti-abortion group established in the state of California.
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Wow.
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California.
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I know.
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Kind of surprising.
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Yeah.
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The letter group focuses on more direct and oftentimes violent action, rather than focusing
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on lobbying as is typically the tact that the National Right to Life Committee has at
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least historically taken.
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It's interesting that they think they want to save lives and then they get violent.
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How does that make sense?
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Make it make sense.
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Because they're infamous call to action states, if you believe abortion is murder, act like
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it's murder.
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What does that mean?
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How do you reason with?
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Okay.
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The organization's headquarters is actually now located in Kansas in what was once an abortion
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clinic that eventually shuttered due to repeated instances of harassment, threats, and violence.
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By these people?
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I would assume at least in part by them may have involved other people and other organizations,
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but isn't that lovely?
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Interesting.
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Shelly quickly became entrenched in protests.
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And then less than a year, she racked up dozens of hours worth of community service hours
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in addition to fines, all before eventually being sentenced to four weeks jail time as a
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result of multiple arrests.
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Okay.
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So she was so extreme.
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The law was getting involved.
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Correct.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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Go big or go home.
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And I'm not going home.
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Wow.
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I'm going to jail.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe that is home.
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In 1989, she broadened her horizons or more accurately her arrest record by traveling to
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additional out of state protests leading to arrests in both Atlanta and Seattle.
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For long, her teenage daughter, Angela, was also not only attending the protests alongside
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her mother, but also facing arrest at her side.
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Oh, what a role model.
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It makes me so unspeakably angry when children are dragged into the aspects of somebody else's
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crime. And in this case, because she's been indoctrinated and brainwashed.
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I hate it.
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I hate it.
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Poor kiddo.
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Before long, the summer of mercy was thrust upon the public, whether they'd been involved
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or even aware of the national conversation around abortion or not.
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In 1991, which a top police arrested hundreds actually scratched that.
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The numbers reported very depending on the source between 1500 and upwards of 2500.
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Some reports even verging on close to 3,000.
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What?
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3,000 protesters.
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They...
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Let me say that again.
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In 1991, which a top police arrested potentially up to 3,000 protesters in July and August.
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That summer.
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Wow.
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Thousands of anti-abortion activists gathered for what began as a week-long protest that seemingly
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never lost steam, spanning several more.
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So it was supposed to be a week, but it kept going.
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Yep.
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They were just having the time of their lives.
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Sounds like.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure at this point, the topic became much more difficult to ignore or to feign ignorance
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of.
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So while it's been a national conversation, pretty much...
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I feel like has it not just constantly been in the ether in this country?
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Ever since, like, grade school I swear.
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I've been hearing about abortion.
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It's been like a topic of conversation all of my life.
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Yeah.
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Well, in Roe v. Wade, the passage in the 70s, like, obviously people were having this conversation
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prior to that.
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So I mean, yeah.
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It spans multiple decades prior to our human existence.
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Just, you know.
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It's crazy.
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I just...
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I can't.
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Now enter Dr. George Tiller of Wichita, Kansas.
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Born 1941, he was a flight surgeon after attending medical school in the 1960s, when he unexpectedly
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returned home to tend to his father's medical practice.
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He was asked whether he'd continue performing abortions as his father had.
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In case you're not totally sure in this moment, this is still very much a true crime podcast.
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You guys, I promise.
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I believe you.
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All of this sounds like crime to me.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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It's, like, inarguably.
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But I would nerd out really hard on a lot of unusual topics.
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Happily, I learned while researching.
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But I digress, and I'm not the only one who occasionally sees their plans diverted.
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In the family practice, he would deviate from his own plans for his medical practice career.
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Dr. George Tiller performed post-viability abortions.
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That word is kind of loaded right now.
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Only for several recent decades, like we were just saying.
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So I'll state, this was not without significant conditions.
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We are talking about serious birth defects of the fetus, or serious irreparable bodily
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harm to the pregnant person.
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Oh, and by the way, you still needed two independent providers to sign off on your behalf for
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the latter scenario.
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Wow.
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Okay, two.
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Okay.
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Still, for some reason, he became a significant target for anti-abortion extremist groups, and
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their various versions of violence and protests.
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But why would someone suddenly change course to practice medicine in a decidedly different
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field than originally intended, and in a very polarized part of the country, where many
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religious or conservative people, local and otherwise, would not take kindly to this work?
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Cassie's got nothing.
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She's like, why?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Just a month before he planned to start a dermatology residency program in 1970, Dr. Tiller
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's father, mother, sister, and brother-in-law were all killed in a tragic accident.
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Oh, my God.
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As he was poised to take a huge step forward in his professional medical career, he was struck
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by unimaginable tragedy, but also an impossible task.
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As his sister's wishes were for him to take care of her son in the unlikely event of her
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death.
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Oh, wow.
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Let the record state that whether she's listening or not, I want my friend Stephanie to know how
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seriously this role would be undertaken in my case, which is a non-custodial scenario.
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But I can't even imagine.
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Like I'm a God-parent, like in the warm, fuzzy feeling way.
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I can't imagine the pressure.
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I know, just like gaining a whole child.
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Yeah.
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That's a lot.
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And then like losing all of that family on top of it.
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Oh my God.
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That's a lot.
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You're grieving the loss of basically your entire family.
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And suddenly thrown into, oh, by the way, he just had a kid.
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That kid is also grieving.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow.
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He was really, really young.
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He probably was not ultimately old enough to remember any of the family that passed.
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Oh, I see.
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I think he was, I want to say, around 14 months old.
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He was under age two, as I recall.
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So that's still going to be very traumatic for--
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Of course.
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--even that young of a child who is--
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Absolutely.
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--raised with people and all of a sudden they're gone and they don't understand why.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's so sad.
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Yeah.
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Now, listen.
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Under different circumstances, we'd all be giving Dr. Tiller a skeptical raise of the
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eyebrow.
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Because I mean, come on.
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What are the chances?
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It's pretty unusual for one's damn near entire family to be taken out in one fell swoop.
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Unless it's intentional, right?
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But sadly, Dr. Tiller's story is one of sorrow and unrelentingly horrific bad luck.
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In the midst of this unexpected and unimaginable loss, George returned to his hometown to tend
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to his father's practice of roughly three decades.
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Can you imagine being expected to practice medicine?
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Just period.
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Full stop.
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Under these circumstances?
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No.
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No.
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Hashtag.
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Not a doctor.
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Certainly don't want to be a doctor in that scenario.
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Yeah.
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What?
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I feel like you need all of your brains to be at attention.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Which I'm sure having something to focus on, like his work was probably, that was probably
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a really healthy way for him to try to channel a lot of, you know, his attention and his time,
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but my God.
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That makes sense, yeah.
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His father had been a general healthcare provider to many living in the mid-sized city
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of Wichita.
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That he had also offered safe abortion surfaces to his patients that required it.
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Though it was reluctantly so, after the local community suffered a terrible tragedy, reportedly
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dating back to the 1940s.
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He had refused an abortion to a woman who already had two children, the second having been very
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recently born.
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When he refused, she found someone outside the medical profession willing to help her.
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Unfortunately, complications from that procedure led to her death.
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Oh, that is so scary and so sad.
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It is.
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You don't have any other option.
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And though abortions had been performed at the clinic previously, it was in 1973, following
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the Roe v. Wade decision that the picketing began.
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But as violence often does, particularly when driven by unbending religious extremism,
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it only escalated from there.
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Still, it wasn't until 1983 that the clinic that Dr. Teller had taken over from his father
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was fire bombed.
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Oh my God, what?
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Shelley was one of many that were arrested multiple times during that period.
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Fire bombed?
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I'm like stuck on that.
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They fire bombed it.
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That's violent as fuck.
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It is.
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If you're stuck on it, and I was when I read it, and I can't even tell you the number of,
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and just the array of rabbit holes that I started to fall down about fire bombing.
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I don't know what that means.
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Is it a literal fire bomb?
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Literally have that.
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That's because I just think that especially in this context, it's really important to understand
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it.
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Okay.
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I'm thinking a literal fire bomb.
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Yeah.
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A bomb of fire.
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Fire bombing is pretty much what it sounds like if you're unfamiliar, but I feel the need
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to explain this gorilla tactic just a little bit because within the definition are some
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pretty intense implications.
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From Wikipedia, fire bombing is a bombing technique designed to damage a target, generally
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an urban area through the use of fire caused by incendiary devices rather than from the
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blast effect of large bombs.
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In popular usage, any act in which an incendiary device is used to initiate a fire is often described
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as fire bombing.
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If a fire catches, it could spread.
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Being in adjacent buildings that would have been largely unaffected by a high explosive
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bomb.
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This is a more effective use of the payload that a bomber could carry.
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Wow.
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So it does more damage than an actual big bomb.
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Yeah.
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In some cases.
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I mean, not obviously like not a nuke, but like.
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Right.
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And the crazy thing about it and this is actually a conversation that kind of spun out from trying
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to wrap my head around this topic is that the way that we bomb in the modern era, it's
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very violent.
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I mean, that's still indisputable, but it's very precise.
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So you can literally land a device on the engine block of a car and take out the front half
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of a vehicle from miles away.
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You're nowhere near that entire fire or not fire incident.
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It's mind blowing, but in this instance, think Molotov cocktail here, kids, it's guerrilla
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warfare with something as simple as gasoline.
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That's so scary because literally anyone can do it and they are obviously.
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And that sentiment, you're a witch.
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I know.
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Because it's.
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I can't even believe it.
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It gets so much scarier for that specific reason.
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And you'll see why I was flabbergasted.
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These wartime tactics brought to the home front in small cities and towns all over America
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in the name of a cause that in this case, I particularly cannot wrap my head around.
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You are fighting for the birth of something that in some sad cases amounts to little more
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than a cluster of cells that cannot lead to a live birth.
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These are instances where these are children that will, in many cases, never be because of
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the nature of the types of abortion services that he offered.
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I can't wrap my head around how you hate someone that much if you understand those facts.
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I just.
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I don't know.
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I don't want to sound callous because fertility and the value of human life are, of course,
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incredibly emotionally charged topics.
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But how do you justify the level of violence that fire bombing constitutes against another
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living, breathing human being in these cases?
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We're not talking about people that are, in any way, casually having an abortion performed.
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Everyone involved at this stage has been through enough.
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How do you justify harassing someone who is already uniquely traumatized outside of a clinic
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where they are trying to seek care for a medical issue that could already have been one of the
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most devastating and painful experiences of their own as well as of their family's lives?
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Most of a pregnancy or experiencing one that is no longer medically viable is heartbreaking
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enough.
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And something that there's entirely too much shame around to this day.
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It's something that can happen spontaneously, reportedly up to 26% of the time, and oftentimes
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before the pregnancy is even realized by the host.
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And I say, "host intentionally," not to sound cold, but because a fetus like any guest
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can overstay their welcome.
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That's a good way to put it.
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If you put the life of your host at risk under any other circumstance, that would be deemed
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unacceptable.
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That's true.
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Now, obviously there were some situations where the abortions performed were because of
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very serious birth defects and things like that.
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And certainly for some people, that's an ethical issue or debate.
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And I just can't believe we're having this conversation still in this country.
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But our whole lives.
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But it happens to more women than we care to think or to talk about.
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Laws like the one Texas attempted to stand up, victimize women who experience incredibly
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normal, but deeply traumatizing things like a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy.
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And people like Shelley are part of the reason why.
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As a woman socialized in this country, I can say that it's nearly impossible not to feel
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a sense of loss or shame, and by no fault of your own, other than being a human that participates
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in a biological process.
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As much as I would fight for a woman's right not to have a child, I would fight to my dying
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breath to protect another mother's child.
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But thankfully, we're not here to talk about either me or motherhood.
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We're here to talk about Shelley and some other duchess that she hangs out with.
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It was after her multiple arrests during the summer of mercy in Wichita that Shelley
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claimed she felt what the army of God describes as a call to forceful action.
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Okay.
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Red flag.
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Literally makes no sense.
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Like, I just, like, do you not, the combination of words?
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Do you not hear your soul?
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Yeah.
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No, they don't.
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No, no.
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If you're hearing alarm bells, you are correct.
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In 1992, Shelley set fire to the Catalina Medical Center in Ashland, one of the only abortion
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providers in the area.
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No one was injured, but the provider did reportedly decide to retire after receiving additional
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threats.
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Wow.
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You just, like, changed multiple people's entire lives with violence.
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Congratulations.
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It was a clearly premeditated attack that Shelley later recalled in great detail.
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Being quite emboldened, Shelley published how to destroy a killing center.
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Oh my God.
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Hyphen.
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If you're just an old grandma who can't get a fire started in her fireplace.
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I'm just rapid blinking.
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But you.
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What?
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Published on the army of God website, which featured bizarrely detailed instructions
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for how to proceed should one find themselves similarly motivated in their own local community
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and wishing to avoid prosecution, you know, for by your bombing, a building.
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It's literal terrorism.
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Like, what?
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I'm glad you said that.
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Under God's name, well, I guess that happens.
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I mean, I know that happens.
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It's just like.
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Cassie.
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Hmm.
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Her how to guide remains on the army of God website.
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I didn't pay it a visit, but I can confirm.
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The army of God is a US-based Christian terrorist organization as designated by the US government.
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Words from the US Department of Justice that I would both eagerly and staunchly stand behind.
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How was their website still up?
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Like I understand free speech, but like that's you're literally instructing people on how
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to commit terrorism.
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Yeah, that's fucked up.
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Domestic terrorism.
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Is it on the dark web or is it just on the regular internet?
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It's on the regular internet.
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So I'm like, okay, dark web, whatever.
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There's a bunch of shit on there.
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I don't understand it.
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But yeah.
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I don't want to.
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But this is just something that any person could come across, access.
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So on August 19th of 1993, Dr. Tiller was in his car preparing to drive home at the end
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of his workday at the clinic.
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Shelley lay in wait and fired upon him several times.
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And though he was indeed shot in both arms, he not only survived his injuries, but returned
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to his practice the actual ass next day.
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The next day?
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Wow.
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I cannot even imagine how scary and traumatizing that was to come back the next day.
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Like to go back at all.
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Yeah.
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And while Shelley was really busy being significantly less successful at anything, the next day, good.
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Though Shelley managed to evade arrest in Wichita initially, she was arrested in Oklahoma
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as she was returning her rental car.
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That same year, Shelley's daughter, Angela, was said to have written a death threat to another
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abortion provider in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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Aww.
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Though it was Shelley that would at least attempt to take credit for the crime.
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Shelley's husband, David, would turn on the news the next day after being instructed
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by a friend, only to find that his wife appeared to be on the news and was being arrested.
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Did he like have any idea about any of this?
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Nope.
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Oh my God.
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Though it couldn't have been easy to tell that it was his wife, since police had wrapped
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her in, I've heard either a towel or in paper towels.
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Depending on the source.
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They wrapped her up to avoid news cameras identifying her.
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Oh, okay.
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I was just like, why?
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I don't get it.
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Yeah, she went.
515
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,560
She didn't make any sense to me either.
516
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,960
I was like, what in the actual fuck are you talking about?
517
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,840
I hope it was paper towels.
518
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,840
I really do too.
519
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,480
I hope she was walking out of there looking like bandage man.
520
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Yeah.
521
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,600
At the time of her arrest, he had reportedly been completely unaware of her plans.
522
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:56,200
He has remarkably condescending quote that would normally infuriate me.
523
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,680
But for Shelley, all at its light.
524
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Furthermore, he apparently did not share her radical beliefs.
525
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,520
That's why I'm going to let it slide.
526
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,440
That's at least according to comments provided following her crime.
527
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,360
He basically said, um, I don't know.
528
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
This is Shelley's little hobby.
529
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,280
I don't partake.
530
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,160
I'm busy in the garage.
531
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,960
I'm busy just being a normal ass person.
532
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,360
Oh my gosh.
533
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,360
If you don't have any awareness of what your wife is doing and it's something like that's
534
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,360
that big.
535
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,360
Yeah.
536
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,440
I wanted to be fair.
537
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Any woman can fly halfway across the country and do something completely different than
538
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,960
what she's telling her husband she's doing.
539
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,280
Yeah, I guess that's true.
540
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,120
In Shelley's initial statements, she tried to claim that she had not intended to kill
541
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Dr. Tiller.
542
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,280
I was just shooting at him a little bit.
543
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah.
544
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,400
But crazy is as crazy does.
545
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Apparently.
546
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Because she quickly changed her story.
547
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680
This did not go unnoticed through the course of her trial.
548
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Imagine that.
549
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,960
The jury deliberated for one hour.
550
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,280
We're sentencing her to 11 years behind bars.
551
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Damn.
552
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,440
One hour is not a lot.
553
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,440
Nope.
554
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,360
It's not usually a good thing when the jury comes back quickly.
555
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,440
I mean, for the defendant.
556
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Yeah.
557
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,040
What did she change her story to?
558
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:52,920
Oh, just to the actual truth where she is truly evil and thinks that she has
559
00:35:52,920 --> 00:36:02,200
been called by God to perpetrate unspeakable violence on other people in this world in order
560
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,240
to prevent any unborn baby from being harmed.
561
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,040
Was she trying to do the whole insanity thing?
562
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,720
Because that sounds a thing.
563
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,480
She does sound insane.
564
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Not in the legal sense, but Angela was charged for threatening the murder.
565
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:31,440
She was the doctor in Wisconsin in 1997 and she was sentenced to 46 months.
566
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,720
Though Shelley had tried to take the blame for her daughter, Angela's prints were on the
567
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,720
letter.
568
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:43,720
Oh, well, so you can't get away from that, can you?
569
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:44,720
No.
570
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,240
Fingerprints are pretty solid.
571
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,240
She would later be released in 2001 after completing her sentence.
572
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,240
Angela.
573
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,240
Angela.
574
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,240
Yeah, just clarify.
575
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,240
How old was she?
576
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,680
She was born in 1974.
577
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,320
So right after the passage of Roe v. Wade, just crazy.
578
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,200
So by 1997, that would make her, what, like, 23?
579
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Something like that, okay.
580
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Still too young to be threatening people.
581
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Oh, yeah.
582
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520
There is really not an acceptable age for that.
583
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,520
No.
584
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Not a fan.
585
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,320
But Shelley's legal issues weren't entirely over.
586
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:34,640
In 1995, Shelley was sentenced to 20 years for federal crimes connected to various clinic
587
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,640
bombings.
588
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Wow.
589
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:43,000
She was to serve the 11-year sentence for attempted murder prior to the additional
590
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,840
sentence of 20 years.
591
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,840
That's awesome.
592
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Additionally, she was ordered to pay restitution to some of the clinics impacted by the attacks.
593
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Damn.
594
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Yeah.
595
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,240
And I don't know that they ever really saw any of that money, but it's the principle of
596
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,240
the thing.
597
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,240
It really is.
598
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:06,240
I agree.
599
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,880
You have to give your money to the people that you hate the most.
600
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Yeah.
601
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,320
People can have a lot of differing opinions and feelings about abortion.
602
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
We don't have to agree on that issue.
603
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:26,040
If we don't, then you're wrong, but we don't have to agree.
604
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:36,320
But Shelley Shannon is a heinous, violent, terrorist, as is Scott Roder.
605
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,880
There are no two ways about it, but that's not the end of our story, unfortunately.
606
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,320
But you could probably guess that since I just introduced another character to this story.
607
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,320
Yeah.
608
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,880
Plot twist.
609
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,360
Spoiler alert, we hate him.
610
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,360
Okay.
611
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,360
I figured.
612
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Sorry.
613
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,000
I tried to introduce you guys to nicer people, but they just don't commit as many murders.
614
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Yeah.
615
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Weird how that happens.
616
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:14,440
In May 31st, 2009, at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Wichita, Dr. Tiller was assassinated
617
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,360
by Scott Roder.
618
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:23,920
He was shot in the head as he was performing service as an usher, just like any other Sunday.
619
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920
What?
620
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:34,520
So this poor man was literally at church working for the church and was killed.
621
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,920
By someone in a church.
622
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Wow.
623
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
By someone motivated.
624
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,080
By someone who claimed to be religious themselves.
625
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Claimed to do this as a calling from God.
626
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,440
Like what if fucking slap in the face to God if you believe in him?
627
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,840
Like, geez.
628
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,840
Mm-hmm.
629
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,400
Scott Roder showed no remorse.
630
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,920
In his case, the jury was equally decisive.
631
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,400
He was convicted, then sentenced to life in prison.
632
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,960
He will not be eligible for parole until he has served 25 years.
633
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:26,320
Shelly was released in 2018 after serving 25 of the 31 years to which she was sentenced.
634
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,320
Not enough.
635
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,320
No.
636
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Though she was released with the stipulation of a three-year monitored release, she has
637
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,520
continued to show no remorse for her actions.
638
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:46,760
She has also reportedly kept in touch with army of God members and other extremists through
639
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600
both of her sentences.
640
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:57,240
The American Jewish Congress stated in a press release that Tiller's murder, quote,
641
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:03,760
"Exemplifies criminal andarchy, not legitimate protest."
642
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:10,000
Dr. Tiller's murder was not just a terrible crime against an individual.
643
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,080
It was also a crime against our democracy.
644
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,640
Murder is not a debating technique.
645
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:25,800
It is never and must never be an accepted way of advancing a point of view.
646
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:32,520
The president of the National Council of Jewish Women, Nancy Ratzin, stated,
647
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:40,320
"Dr. Tiller devoted his life to ensuring that women did indeed have choices, when confronted
648
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,280
with an unintended or untenable pregnancy.
649
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:54,640
His murder, his assassination, is intended to terrorize not only all involved with providing
650
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,160
abortions, but anyone even remotely associated with abortion rights."
651
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,320
It's really scary.
652
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:12,920
Years later, clinic staff that have relocated and begun working elsewhere have continued
653
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:22,320
to be harassed because they are known to have worked with Dr. Tiller and people that are
654
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:28,360
members of Army of God or other anti-abortion groups.
655
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,360
Track them down.
656
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Like how do you think that that's going to get people on your side?
657
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:42,400
You can't possibly believe that that is a means to any reasonable end.
658
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,400
And yet, somehow they do.
659
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:51,200
I'm going to tell you the year that this article was published.
660
00:42:51,200 --> 00:43:00,560
In August of this year, a 20-year-old man ostensibly seeking a job at a Kansas abortion clinic
661
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:10,120
was arrested after he told clinic staff his backpack contained an explosive device and knives,
662
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,920
according to Wichita Police.
663
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,080
Wow, 2015.
664
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:24,840
The explosive device was several fireworks that the suspect put together, according to authorities.
665
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:31,280
The incident occurred at South Wind Women's Center, which is in the same facility that Tiller
666
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,480
once occupied.
667
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:42,800
Julie Berkhardt, who used to work for Tiller, now runs a foundation that opened South Wind.
668
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:49,560
In August, she spoke about how his killing prompted the clinic to increase security.
669
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:55,160
She also spoke of the fear she lives with and said the August incident could have been much
670
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,040
worse than a man with some fireworks.
671
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:07,480
She said, quote, "I'm very concerned that someone would come in the building with weapons.
672
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,920
He was carrying knives and explosives.
673
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:17,640
This really illustrates to me that the security protocols that we have in place work."
674
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,720
Thank goodness.
675
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,440
So they caught him at the security?
676
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Or yes, security identified that.
677
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:32,520
And on the flip side, a little bit of commentary from well the flip side.
678
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,240
The Reverend Donald Spitz, real name.
679
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:42,400
An anti-abortion activist who stayed in contact with Shannon.
680
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Shelly Shannon said abortion rights activists should not be worried about Shannon's release.
681
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,160
I don't think she'll be doing anything violent.
682
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Okay.
683
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:02,760
He is the leader of pro-life Virginia and sponsor of the Army of God website.
684
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,200
He said, "Of course, no one knows, but I'd be very surprised."
685
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
I do not trust his opinion.
686
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Nope.
687
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Don't worry.
688
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,040
She's fine.
689
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,040
She's fine.
690
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,040
She's not going to do anything.
691
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,040
No.
692
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:22,360
She probably won't do anything because she's already published her manifesto for violence.
693
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,360
She's doing.
694
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,360
Yeah.
695
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:32,160
He said he talked to Shannon and described her as upbeat about her release, but said he
696
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,840
didn't know Shannon's plans.
697
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,960
I'm sure she was upbeat about her release, but I don't believe for a second that you don't
698
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,000
know her plans.
699
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Yeah.
700
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Why are you talking then?
701
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,000
How can you be so sure that she's not going to be doing anything violent, but also you
702
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,240
don't know what any of her plans are?
703
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,360
And why are you talking about plans?
704
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Like, if you're saying the word plans, it makes me think there's a plan.
705
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120
You know, stands to reason.
706
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,120
Yeah.
707
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,440
Because normally, if it was me visiting you in prison and you were getting out, I would be
708
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,840
so Caitlin, what are your plans for like getting a job?
709
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,320
Like, where are you going to live?
710
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,000
You would know her plans in that regard, but you just don't know any plans.
711
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,560
You don't know anything about any plans.
712
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,560
Okay.
713
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,320
Sounds super believable.
714
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,120
And not at all anything to be concerned about.
715
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:37,480
Obviously, there's been a little bit of time that has passed and doesn't seem like there
716
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:44,640
has been anything violent that has occurred at least at Shelley's hands.
717
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:53,760
But you know, Shelley really doesn't have to create any of the chaos or violence with her
718
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,080
own hands anymore.
719
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:05,920
If you visit justice.gov, I've included the specific link in our pace bin.
720
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:16,240
Hopefully, it'll actually allow me to publish it where there are numerous recent violent
721
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:27,280
encounters that are summarized cases of violence and other various types of attacks, whether,
722
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:35,560
you know, verbal, whatever that may be against reproductive healthcare providers and their
723
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,560
staff.
724
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,560
Don't worry.
725
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,760
Right up at the top, there are several from 2023.
726
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,560
No, I don't want any.
727
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Yeah.
728
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:54,200
I'm sure again, you don't have to agree that they are fighting a senseless battle at all.
729
00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:05,720
I know there are plenty of people that don't agree, but surely most people can understand.
730
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:18,320
They can see that multiple assassination attempts and one of which, not an attempt, this was successful.
731
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:24,120
He was murdered in a goddamn church.
732
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Surely we can agree that that is wrong.
733
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Just like any violence is why you don't need to do that.
734
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,680
I just, there are official ways that you can go about getting your laws and whatever the
735
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,840
fuck you want, voted on.
736
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,240
Like you said, it's like a threat to democracy.
737
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:44,840
It really is.
738
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:52,840
One of the most upsetting things about researching this was realizing how people that were involved
739
00:48:52,840 --> 00:49:04,880
in these protests and specifically a lot of the non-violent tactics that were utilized.
740
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:13,840
It was things like shutting down the freeways or they used a lot of non-violent tactics that
741
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Black Lives Matter protest they've been condemned for.
742
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Yeah, well of course.
743
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Yeah.
744
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,880
The completely other thing that they're fighting for that they don't agree with.
745
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,880
Right.
746
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,160
That's irrational.
747
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,480
When I realized that I was like, and it goes back further than that.
748
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:41,440
It wasn't the Karen's outside plan parenthood that thought of the sitting in the middle of
749
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:48,360
the freeway or all of these various non-violent protest strategies.
750
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,200
It goes back to the civil rights movement.
751
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Yeah.
752
00:49:52,200 --> 00:50:01,520
But it was so interesting to me to think about how different the languages in those conversations.
753
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:07,760
The headline is that everyone fucking sucks.
754
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,760
Not everyone.
755
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,760
A lot of people.
756
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,760
A lot of people.
757
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,760
Yeah.
758
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,760
I don't know Cassie.
759
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,760
Not everyone sucks.
760
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,480
But a lot of people do.
761
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,280
You know what doesn't suck?
762
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,280
What?
763
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,120
Well, tarot doesn't suck to us.
764
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,640
My God.
765
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,800
Nobody better write us an email saying tarot sucks.
766
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,520
If it sucks, you know, there's an off button.
767
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,520
Yeah.
768
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,360
So suck it and you suck it.
769
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,800
And if you're pushing the off button, that means you push the on button, which means you
770
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,800
gave us a download.
771
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Thank you.
772
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,640
Thank you.
773
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,320
So we also are going to have a little Patreon bonus to accompany this episode because
774
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,920
something really frickin bizarre happened to us last night.
775
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Yeah.
776
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,760
So I was texting Caitlin about this topic I was working on and it was a topic that you're
777
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,480
not supposed to talk about.
778
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,680
It's not the main one.
779
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,240
Everyone knows it's a different one.
780
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,240
Imagine that.
781
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,240
Yeah.
782
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,880
So I texted her and I was like, "Haha, I'm working on this topic that you're not supposed
783
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,880
to talk about.
784
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,280
Hope I don't have any technological problems."
785
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,080
And like three minutes later.
786
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,800
It just crashes and is like, you know, the error message.
787
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Honestly, it's unreal.
788
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,280
And then it happens again.
789
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,280
Every time I try to copy and paste and I was trying to copy and paste someone's comment
790
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,440
saying it's like a warning that this is real.
791
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Almost like you couldn't drill into that head with a bit.
792
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,720
So if this wasn't enough, I...
793
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,720
So I screen-shoted that to Caitlin and sent it to her.
794
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:57,280
And then she sees this little tiny comment that someone had made that had absolutely nothing
795
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,200
to do with what I was talking about, like totally nothing to do with it.
796
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,160
And she just assumed like that was my topic, right?
797
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Mm-hmm.
798
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Yeah.
799
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,400
And so she Googles it and she's like, "Are you fucking kidding me?
800
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,400
This is a fertility god."
801
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,520
And I am working on this story that's, you know, kind of about fertility.
802
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,520
And...
803
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,520
Yeah.
804
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,320
So I was like, "Okay, is this a sign that I need to just drop this other topic for now and
805
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,840
just research this fertility god?"
806
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Yeah.
807
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,680
A little and do a little bonus on it for Patreon.
808
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,680
So that's what I did.
809
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,920
I dropped my entire episode and worked on a bonus.
810
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Well, you know, as one does sometimes.
811
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,320
But it's really interesting what I found.
812
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,320
Oh, boy.
813
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,320
Yeah.
814
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,320
I have about, I think, two and a half pages.
815
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Oh, boy.
816
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,640
It's really cool.
817
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,280
A lot of it really directly relates, I feel like, to Caitlin.
818
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,920
So, uh, gray in a really good way, not bad.
819
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Oh, okay.
820
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Well, that whole thing was positive because you were kind of questioning your topic.
821
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,240
And I think that was just a sign like that you were doing the right thing.
822
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:09,240
Yeah.
823
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:10,240
I was.
824
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:15,240
I feel like this was a really tough one just because I know that abortion specifically
825
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:22,680
is a very controversial topic, but we're not really talking about abortion.
826
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,080
I mean, I did.
827
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,880
And I have a lot of thoughts and feelings.
828
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,080
And I did my best to reign the moon.
829
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:36,520
But, um, you know, this is about something far more significant than that.
830
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,880
It's just, you know, violence that doesn't have anything to do with, you know, what's
831
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,520
now become a political talking point.
832
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,520
Yeah.
833
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,240
You're an arsonist.
834
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,440
You're an attempted murder, arrests or an actual murderer.
835
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Yeah.
836
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,440
I just got like this thing in my head, like murder to protest murder.
837
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,440
Yeah.
838
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,400
How does that make sense?
839
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,600
Make it make sense.
840
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,080
I don't think it's murder personally, but like coming from their standpoint.
841
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,840
But if you believe that it's murder and act like it's murder, yeah.
842
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,640
I just, I, yeah, just going to use their own goddamn slogan against them.
843
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Anyway, so Patreon's going to get a really cool bonus.
844
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,480
And I think Caitlin's going to love it.
845
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,320
I'm excited to tell her about it.
846
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,320
Yeah.
847
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,720
Yay.
848
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:35,040
As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.
849
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,920
So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.
850
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,400
Let's show them some love you can find their info in our show notes.
851
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,840
Hey creepy people.
852
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,440
It's Gemma from I think my fridge is haunted, a very creepy podcast for very creepy people.
853
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:59,560
We tell all kinds of weird stories from the paranormal to aliens, true crime and history.
854
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,520
But what makes us different from all those other podcasts talking about this stuff?
855
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Well, that's a good question.
856
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,600
And the answer is simple.
857
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,880
We have Australian accents.
858
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,960
Join me in my secret new co-host as we launch season six this August on Apple podcasts,
859
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,600
Spotify, Podbean and all good podcast platforms.
860
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,840
Until then, be creepy.
861
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,360
But don't be a creep.
862
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,720
You guys were back.
863
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,320
And don't worry, we did get more wine.
864
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,760
Well, of course.
865
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,960
I have shuffled.
866
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:37,960
I'm going to do it.
867
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,960
And then I can't let's go to shuffle and pull.
868
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,960
What was that?
869
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Wow.
870
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,520
You guys, I've been having a lot of problems with my hands.
871
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,120
I cut my ring finger.
872
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,120
You can't really see that with the light.
873
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,120
It's like mini cards.
874
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,800
Oh, Caitlin.
875
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,280
I can't reach any of them.
876
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,280
Struggle bus, passenger number one.
877
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,520
If it wasn't 20 cards that fell away, could he use that?
878
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:08,520
I know.
879
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Yeah.
880
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,960
Well, I feel like there's chaotic energy in here.
881
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,280
I was trying to cleanse it.
882
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,120
Okay, there we go.
883
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,960
We're feeling a little better.
884
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:26,200
We also just came off of an interview with some creepy, creepy haps.
885
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,800
Oh, interesting.
886
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,000
The star.
887
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,880
It's a very positive card.
888
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,000
It is, which seems a little odd, but I'm going to roll with it.
889
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,720
I love getting positive cards after a truly horrific story.
890
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,840
I feel like this was the doctor.
891
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,640
I should look up what kind of bird that is.
892
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,640
Yes.
893
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,640
Do that.
894
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,640
Okay.
895
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:59,320
Keywords are happiness, hope, light at the end of the tunnel and good fortune.
896
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:06,680
This lovely card often portrays a nude female figure in or beside a pool of water.
897
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,920
In some decks, she pours water from two jugs or chalices.
898
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:19,280
In the writer wait Smith deck, she pours the contents of one picture into a stream and
899
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:26,560
the other one onto the ground, showing the connection between two feminine elements,
900
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,400
water and earth.
901
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,560
They are shine in the background, sometimes in a circle or a halo-like formation around
902
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,720
her.
903
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,320
The naked woman represents truth and purity.
904
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,160
The jugs contain the waters of life.
905
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,160
Yeah, it's a very feminine card from what I remember.
906
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,160
We've read it a lot.
907
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,160
Wow.
908
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,720
And I've read it very recently.
909
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,200
We see shooting stars as Harp and Jersey of Good Luck.
910
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,640
We wish upon a star for the star is a universal symbol of hope.
911
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:07,120
Getting this card is like looking up at the bright starry sky on a clear night and seeing
912
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720
all the magnificence of the universe.
913
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,160
This is a time of fulfillment, good fortune, creative inspiration and spiritual growth.
914
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:24,040
When you receive help from unseen forces and wishes come true.
915
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:30,120
The star signals an end to problems and the start of a new, happier phase of life.
916
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,960
I fucking hope so.
917
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,680
I think of it as the light at the end of the tunnel card.
918
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,720
Oh my god.
919
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,920
Like people who have had a near death experience and they see the light.
920
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Or people that have been through a lot of shit.
921
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,320
Yeah.
922
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:53,760
Well, it's just interesting to me too because it talks about pouring the contents of one
923
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,360
picture into a stream and the other one onto the ground.
924
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:04,480
And immediately I had this flash of like that old saying throwing the baby out with the
925
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,440
bath water.
926
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Which seems weird.
927
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:22,840
But I think there's, it just sort of speaks to, there's a way of handling disagreements.
928
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:29,920
I think, you know, kind of some of those quotations from the Jewish women leagues.
929
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,320
They really summarized.
930
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:37,160
I think probably what a lot of us would wish to say so eloquently.
931
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,160
Yeah.
932
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,200
You've been preparing for this time and now you've arrived.
933
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:49,560
The star shows you're in harmony with your life purpose using your gifts beneficially.
934
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:57,480
It signifies inspiration, intuition, inner wisdom, and joy.
935
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:04,520
In a reading about money, the star signals an improvement in your financial position.
936
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,320
Help comes from both the invisible world and the material one.
937
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,320
Remain hopeful.
938
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,560
Your dreams can be achieved.
939
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,400
If the reading is about your job, you may be moving into the spotlight.
940
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,320
Being recognition for your efforts, you're the star, and it's your turn to shine.
941
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:29,000
You feel good about yourself and confident in your place in the universe.
942
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,440
Success lies just around the corner.
943
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:38,440
In a reading about love, this card represents a bright, beautiful relationship that inspires
944
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,840
you and brings you joy.
945
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,240
The wish you made has or will soon come true.
946
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,240
Wow.
947
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,840
I just think it's an overall positive card.
948
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,840
It is.
949
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,080
You can't let the evil people win.
950
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,080
No.
951
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,080
Just keep trucking on.
952
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,080
Yeah.
953
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,080
Things will get better, hopefully.
954
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:04,480
Even though it's still happening in 2023.
955
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,960
Well, it's a morning dove.
956
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,560
A morning dove.
957
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Interesting because you know, morning MOUR and it is spelled morning.
958
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,200
In that.
959
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,200
Wow.
960
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,200
Yeah.
961
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,200
Okay.
962
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,600
So that's interesting that I immediately just like, you're strong into it.
963
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,120
Like Doctor the God assassinated or like anyone else who lost their life or went through
964
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,440
a lot of pain because of these horrible people.
965
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,440
Wow.
966
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,440
Yeah.
967
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,440
Yeah.
968
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,040
Just should I read this?
969
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,040
Yeah.
970
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,040
Why not?
971
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,040
I'll try.
972
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Okay.
973
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:54,040
I'm sorry.
974
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,040
I said that right.
975
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,040
You do.
976
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,640
Filled with trepidation and fear, he flew towards the bright beacon above the horizon.
977
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:07,120
Doves wings kept him aloft in the daylight through forest, valley and wasteland, heading
978
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,480
ever toward the morning star, still shining in the distance.
979
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:17,480
His dove journeyed, his heart lightened and felt echoes of past pilgrims.
980
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:22,560
His path intertwined with those of other travelers.
981
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,360
He left his fear behind.
982
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:30,480
He wheeled joyously in the sky and skimmed above the clouds, flying higher than he had any
983
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,360
right to.
984
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,080
He tested the boundaries of himself and the world he inhabited.
985
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,080
Wow.
986
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,080
That's interesting.
987
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,080
Yeah.
988
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,600
He tested the boundaries of the world he inhabited.
989
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:43,600
Okay.
990
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:50,400
A part of him hoped that he'd never reached that star, not wanting to journey to the end.
991
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,600
The rest of him wondered what would happen if he got there.
992
01:02:54,600 --> 01:03:06,120
I'm wondering if you remember this fact about him, which was that he was a flight surgeon.
993
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,120
Really?
994
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,120
Wow.
995
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,720
I did not know that.
996
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,720
Yeah.
997
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:12,960
That's crazy.
998
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,960
I was right.
999
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,280
I mean, very representative.
1000
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,520
I mean, the symbolism seems...
1001
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,760
Wow.
1002
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,760
Maybe I'm crazy, but...
1003
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,560
No, I don't seem too pretty clear.
1004
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,560
You're crazy.
1005
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,560
What number is this?
1006
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:28,560
17.
1007
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,560
Yes.
1008
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,320
I don't know if that has any significance?
1009
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:39,840
I can't think of anything specific that resonates with that, but...
1010
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,840
I'm going to check.
1011
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,240
That was just really cool.
1012
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,840
That was a good one.
1013
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,840
That was what I wanted.
1014
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,080
That was the energy I put into the car.
1015
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,080
Yeah.
1016
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,080
I mean, that was...
1017
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:54,760
It felt more positive than that story felt like it had a right to.
1018
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:55,760
Yeah.
1019
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,600
So, they just can't win.
1020
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,600
They can't do it.
1021
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,600
No.
1022
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,600
We have to be positive.
1023
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,600
Okay.
1024
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,400
Creepy ass day.
1025
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:13,400
[Music]
1026
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:39,080
[Music]
1027
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,400
He wheeled jealousy in the sky and skimmed above the clouds.
1028
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,400
I'm sorry.
1029
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,400
I read that wrong again.
1030
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,400
He wheeled jealousy.
1031
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,400
Joyously?
1032
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,400
Yeah.
1033
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,400
What are kissing jealous?
1034
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,400
I don't know.
1035
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,400
Okay.
1036
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Re-do.
1037
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Cause you wish you could fly.
1038
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400
I know.
1039
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,400
It's true.
1040
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,400
Yeah.
1041
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:57,400
Yeah.
1042
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:07,400
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