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You know, urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change.
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But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness.
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And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where
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Polybius keeps showing up.
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So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, 9-inch nails video, less than.
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Loki in season one, Polybius was there.
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It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat
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about true crime, paranormal, and a lot of creepy shit in the Pacific Northwest.
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So much creepy shit.
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We also do a tour reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
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into our topic of the day.
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And you should stick around if you're into that, but I'm going to take off.
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K-Bye.
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Yeah, Caitlyn's not sticking around for this one.
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The topic proved just far too terrifying for her to deal with.
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So yeah, also it wasn't invited.
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That's not true.
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She was invited.
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She just happens to have a day job during the week, which is the only time our guests could
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come.
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So gross, you guys.
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With indoor weather season, now in full swing, people are most likely looking for a place
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to have some fun out of the house and also safe from the elements.
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And what better way to do that than go to an arcade?
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Plus it has a bar, so that's like a no brainer, right?
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So today I'm joined by Shana and Eric from Arcade 2084. http://www.barthattimeforgot.com/
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Hello.
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Nice to be here.
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Thanks for having us.
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Yes, of course.
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I'm so excited.
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Can you tell us a little bit about your arcade?
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Arcade 2084 is what we call a cinema grade recreation of what arcades were really like in
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the early 80s.
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This is when video arcades first emerged and became more than a national pastime, but
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a really global phenomenon that as everybody knows, kicked off video gaming as we know it.
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Yes.
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With a full bar and awesome food and cocktails, it's the whole package with awesome music.
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It's not just an arcade, it's not just a room with games.
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It's a full experience.
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It really is.
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I've been there and I walked in and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool.
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There's lights everywhere.
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You got the 80s music and the videos and it's awesome.
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It's really fun place.
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It's a real world outside and just have some fun and escape for a while.
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Yeah, it's almost like stepping into like a time machine.
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It's time travel, for sure.
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Well that leads me into very well into our topic today.
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In 1981, arcades were at the height of their popularity.
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Portland, Oregon was said to have been one of the prime locations for testing new games
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and have you guys heard that?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I'm barely an 80s baby.
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I was 89 so I didn't really get to experience the 80s.
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I kind of have to live vicariously through things like this and you know, stranger things
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and everything.
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Did you guys get to experience the 80s?
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Indeed.
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And that's part of why this place is here because a lot of people missed it.
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I was a teenager every year of the 80s and going to these places was something I could do
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no matter what town I found myself in because I moved around a lot, a lot of kids do.
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And this is where we all could meet new friends and old friends and everybody got together
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there across all social and economic strata.
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It was a really special time.
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He was a teenager, I'm a few years younger but yet I was there and as an only child it
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was great to be able to always have some place to go where there were people like to hang
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out with.
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Oh yeah, that is great.
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I didn't even think about that.
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And teenager.
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So as the under kid I'm like, "Ooh, I'm with the cool older kids."
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Yeah.
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Did you guys have like competitions?
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I don't know what is it, the high score.
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I know there's less competitions and more sort of just boasting rights.
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You got to put your initials in and maybe somebody would see that and you'd have a bit
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of no to write.
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Nice.
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Or somebody would be having a really good game and people would just start to gather around
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and watch and you'd see like, "What's going on over there?"
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And then the crowd just gets bigger and bigger and...
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Oh, that is so cool.
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A lot of camaraderie.
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And we still see that happen.
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It's really wonderful.
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Oh, good.
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I love that.
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Do you guys get pretty packed on like the weekends?
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Well, I don't know about packed, but you know, we got a healthy steady crowd all day long.
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And it's never really, you know, sort of butt to butt there.
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Well, that's good.
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You don't want it over stuff, right?
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Our kids, you know, there's a lot of reputation for being like hot and dirty and crowded.
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And we are nice and cool and clean and not so crowded.
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So let's get on with our topic for today.
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It's going to be really fun.
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So it was in this year that I just mentioned, 1981, that black, unmarked cabinets would pop
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up in several arcades in the city and surrounding areas.
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This mysterious game is known as...
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Polybius.
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I feel like I should have done like an echo.
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So I've heard Beaverton specifically.
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I didn't end up coming across it again in my notes or in my research.
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I don't know where I heard.
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It was in Beaverton.
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Have you guys heard a specific town?
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No, same.
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When I looked into this in the past, I remember seeing Beaverton specifically.
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But when I brushed up on my research yesterday, I only saw Portland and surrounding suburbs.
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Right.
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Okay, so it's not just me.
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It's just the whole urban legend, the detail seemed to change like that and it just keeps
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it going.
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What's true?
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What's that through?
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Yeah, it's really weird.
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Because when I was diving into it, I was kind of on the other side of it, like, oh, it
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probably wasn't real.
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But then getting into it, I was like, no, because I just experienced the same kind of Mandela
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effect thing where the details are changed.
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So now I'm just all confused.
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The mystery doesn't end with an unmarked cabinet though.
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Symptoms of playing this game or sickness, nightmares, memory loss and behavioral changes.
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No one knows what about the game caused these symptoms.
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But some fan-made games of what they think the gameplay was like seemed to indicate it was
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a mix of optical illusions and visual and audio subliminal messaging.
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So did you guys ever come across any Polybius cabinets?
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I have a supplier that has the Polybius cabinet in his warehouse.
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Oh my gosh.
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Is it okay?
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Is it a real one or is it a fan-made?
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Well, that's a big question.
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That is the question, isn't it?
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I mean, of course, it's a mock-up.
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You know, I happen to know that.
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It depends on one's credibility when one tells you something, right?
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Right, yeah.
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Well, are you just going to believe that?
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This is a legend.
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Yes.
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And there's no real substantive evidence to support it, but it is fun.
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And there's a lot of mock-up cabinets that make people wonder, well, was that really a
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real one or is it just a mock-up?
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Yeah.
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It's so freaking mysterious.
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So have you played this one?
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No.
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No.
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I have not.
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I don't know that it's playable, really.
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I know that he's used it in his own productions.
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Okay.
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Because that's one of the big things is no one really knows what the gameplay was like.
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Right.
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People have kind of speculated that it was sort of like tempest, which I don't know.
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I don't have any idea what that is.
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Can you guys describe the gameplay for that?
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Well, tempest is one of the greatest hits of all time and you're probably going to want
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to edit that out that you've never played it.
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I might have played it at some point, but I don't remember.
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Arcade 2084, almost any other arcade worth its salt.
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And tempest will be there, usually an upright form factor.
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We have a cocktail table version.
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And I'll tell you in a minute why I chose that.
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The author of tempest wanted to create space innovators like Game.
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Space innovators have been such a huge hit.
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But he wanted to create sort of a 3D version where the aliens come toward you.
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And I think he did a great job.
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The game has this sort of 3D effect in suggestion, but it's a vector scan game.
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It's obvious to be a vector scan game and ours is in cocktail table form factor.
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So the bad guys seem to come up from underneath the table at you.
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It's really a beautiful game to play.
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And Shana did a little something.
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She understands something about tempest and why.
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It may have been confused for Polybius.
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Yeah, so a couple of things about the gameplay.
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Well, we'll stick with tempest for a second.
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The tempest, your ship moves around a field.
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And the original version of it, your ship was stationary in the field itself moved.
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And that was causing nausea and vertigo.
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I could see that.
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Right.
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And so they changed it to what it is now.
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So if anybody had played those, there was this conception that arcade games can make
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you sick.
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I think you nauseous and all that.
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And then the people who have actually claimed to have played Polybius describe it as a combination
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of tempest and Gallagher, puzzle and shooter game where the moving ship rotates around the
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screen, shooting at objects.
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And each level gets harder with distracting backgrounds and wildly spinning graphics that
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were brightly colored with these moving hypnotic backgrounds.
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So that was whoo.
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A people who have tried the gameplay of Polybius, which is eerily similar to a game called
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cube quest, which you know, you can, you can do the images of that.
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And it looks almost exactly like what people describe Polybius as.
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There's even like these spinning skulls coming at you at the very first level.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, that sounds fun.
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And that was a game that was a laser disk game.
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So it's like seed, they were like CDs, but they were giant because they were video, but
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they were like a record album with the shiny stuff like a CD.
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And they, it was a new technology.
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It broke a lot.
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So no, that's what show up in arcades break often.
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And then the operators of the arcade would say get this machine out of here.
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So those machines would come and go pretty quickly with this same kind of gameplay.
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So I suspect that people who think they played polyveas actually played cube quest.
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How, I just, Polybius is such a random, very memorable name too.
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So I'm kind of wondering how that possibly could have got confused.
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Turns out that it's not so random.
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Oh, it's not.
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Okay.
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Polybius was the name of a Greek, let's see, in the five minutes, here's I get it right.
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Philosopher.
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Weren't all Greeks.
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Philosophers?
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No, it's a Greek historian.
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So it's a Greek historian born in Arcadia.
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Oh, okay.
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That's a little convenient.
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Yes.
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And he was known, it was historian that was known for relying on firsthand accounts.
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Asserting that historians should never report what cannot be verified through an interview
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with eyewitnesses.
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So.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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It's almost like someone kind of planned this out here.
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Right.
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Because that's connected a little too easily.
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So I heard, so we kind of talked about the optical illusion effect of the game, but I've
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also heard that it has video and audio subliminal messaging in it.
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Have you ever heard any of that?
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I hadn't heard that.
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I had heard the subliminal messages, but, you know, I don't know.
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It doesn't work.
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Yeah, I think it's, it's one of those things where they were trying to relate it to a government
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conspiracy, government mind control, like the MK Ultra type of thing.
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So I think it kind of just all got mishmashed into the story.
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Yeah.
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So my theory and the whole thing like how it began.
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So yeah, in 1981, there was two players that got sick at the same arcade on the same day.
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One of them ended up with a migraine after playing tempest.
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Now remember, these games were brand new.
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The flashing lights and the moving lights and everything.
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We hadn't experienced that really as humans.
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Yeah.
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And people that might have had photo sensitive issues with lights and flashing lights, you
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know, might get headaches or whatever.
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So the one kid collapsed from a migraine.
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The other kid was trying to break a world record and would plan asteroids for 28 hours straight.
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Oh my God.
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He got sick and had to step away, but he'd also been drinking like tons of coke the whole
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time.
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So, yeah.
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I can't imagine why he got sick.
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Right.
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So these two kids get sick at this arcade and Eugene and on the same day.
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And then around that same time, there were arcade operators in Portland who were fixing machines
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for gambling.
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Yes.
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No, exactly how it worked, but there were counters that were added.
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And so federal agents were in town.
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The FBI was in town, go into these different arcades, taking photos, opening up the back of
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machines, looking for illegal counters.
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And then, you know, a week or so after that, the feds came in and they did a raid for some
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of this illegal gambling.
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So you got some kids that got sick in an arcade and you jean.
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And then in Portland, guys and suits were showing up, poking around these machines and then
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moving in black.
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Exactly.
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And so, you know, this was before the internet, before really quick communication among people.
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And it just seems to me that those two events happening right around the same time was just
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right for an ordeal agent.
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Yeah.
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The telephone.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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So it's like the telephone effect, like the game of telephone.
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It changes slightly.
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It gets a little more exciting or dramatic as you tell the next person and the next person
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tells the next person.
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Oh my god, this is pride.
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It's like, now you're on the cake, you know?
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So I also did see that there was on some games, I don't know how long it was for, I don't
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know if it was on every game, but there was an FBI message that would pop up on the screen
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saying winners don't use drugs.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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That came along.
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I think in the late 80s might have been primarily 90s if it didn't start in the 90s.
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No, I think it probably started in the 80s as part of like the dare campaign.
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Yeah.
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To get kids not to use drugs and you know, kids were in front of these games.
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So they put the message in the games knowing, you know, their target audience was there.
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Back into the Reagan administration.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And then that would, you know, that put the government logo and all these kids' heads as
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they're playing arcade games.
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So it's even more of a link to this government conspiracy type of thing.
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Right.
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And in addition, in the day, and they don't do this anymore on DVDs, but you get a VHS tape.
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And at the beginning of every movie was an FBI warning about copywriting and copying
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the tape and selling it.
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And you can be fine and you can go to jail.
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So the connection of FBI and media was already there.
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Yeah.
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I mean, after, you know, arcade games have become so huge.
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There are these knockoffs, these clones.
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And you'd find these, you know, it wasn't quite Donkey Kong or it wasn't really Pac-Man
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in a lot of arcades.
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And so there were people, you know, the right soldiers were losing out on money and the FBI
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understood the importance of cracking down on counterfeit intellectual property.
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And that had everything to do with, you know, the rise in those warnings on arcade machines
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right in the software.
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You know, don't, you know, you're not allowed to copy this if you're playing this outside
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of Japan, yada yada.
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You know, it's wrong.
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And so it really, yeah, it helps to feed in and that coincidental moment to the urban legend.
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Yeah.
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Any good urban legends got these kernels of truth.
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Mm-hmm.
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Just enough to make you go, is it true?
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I don't know.
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Just enough because I did also find that there was an 18 year old named Peter Berkowski that
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passed away from a heart attack while playing the game Berserk.
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But that was not a direct result of the game itself.
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It was stress put on someone who already had an underlying heart condition, unfortunately.
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Like you said earlier, there wasn't a lot, these were new.
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So they weren't really aware that that might, you know, cause stress on your body enough
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to cause a heart attack or a seizure with the flashing lights.
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So that's very sad and unfortunate, but it was not a direct result of the game.
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And it wasn't Polybius either.
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It was at an arcade, so, yeah.
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Gosh, that would be just awful.
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Polybius is innocent.
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I agree.
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I did watch the documentary on YouTube.
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Did you guys watch that one?
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I think we've seen it a while ago.
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They had someone made, you know, a mock up of Polybius that had all of the crazy visual optical
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illusions and the subliminal messaging.
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And this guy kind of took it apart to let you see the words that were popping up and hear
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it.
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And it was like breathing and like creepy words.
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It was like, if that was in a real game, that would be really terrifying.
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Right.
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Do you know of any other games like this?
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Well, we've mentioned, you know how there are some games which may lend to what Polybius
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gets described as tempest and some other laser disk games where the laser disk footage isn't
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directly controllable.
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You don't interact with that.
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It more overlays or underlays the gameplay.
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Dragon slayer, space age.
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But none are like Polybius exactly.
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You'd have to combine, like I say, a few different games.
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But there have been games, you know, and again, this helps feed the urban legend.
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They're having games that have been adapted by the military for training.
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Battle Zone was one of them.
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Doom II is another one.
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So, you know, there's that little thread, that kernel of truth there with the connection.
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Yeah.
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So the military actually used these video games as training for like soldiers?
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Indeed.
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Oh my gosh.
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And another interesting sort of piece of that is there's a home console that predates the
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Atari 2600, which everybody knows as right around this time of the arcade craze, you
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know, to play the home-ported versions of all these arcade games.
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There's a console that predates it called the Fairchild F and libraries very small.
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It's a very little-known system.
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It was the first system you could change the gameplay experience with the cartridge.
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And I mentioned this because the military actually went ahead and contracted with them.
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They got together in Fairchild after their failure in the game console market did almost
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exclusively military contracts.
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Oh, wow.
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I didn't know any of that.
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I kind of knew like nowadays they have, you know, like flight simulators and things, but
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I didn't think even way back then that they would be, because it's like, I don't think
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it's very practical.
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Were they using guns or were they using like little controls?
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They're using the little controls.
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Yeah.
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And there are these controls that were mapped to, you know, the commands in the game.
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Just like there are now, you can use a steering wheel and so on.
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You can use a full-on helicopter mock-up cockpit and they do.
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These games, you know, were not necessarily games.
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They were adapted to military training.
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They were modified slightly, but the base of it was the game.
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And then in 1984 there was a movie called The Last Star Fighter, where a teenager was
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playing a game that was covertly developed to recruit him as a soldier.
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Now is aliens that had done it, but that storyline was there and it was bright for urban legend.
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Absolutely.
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It was in the public consciousness that the military and the government would be using
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these video games against the sender various ways, but for themselves obviously to recruit
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trained civilians.
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That seems kind of crazy to me too, because they would have had to get any of the data
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from people playing the game.
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The technology in the game would have had to be way more advanced than maybe they would
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have had at the time to put like tracking information into an arcade game.
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Well that doesn't ever stop conspiracy theory.
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Yeah, that's true.
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But yeah, I agree with you.
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My conspiracy theory on this, well it's not like my theory, I'm sure.
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But I think it was aliens who put it there to, like you said with this other movie to study
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us.
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That's what I've always thought.
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It's a great idea.
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You would be able to identify which kids are going to grow up to be the worst alien killers
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and just eliminate them.
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That's true.
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You get the very good tactic.
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The book 1984, all about government control and everything, well 1984 was coming and it
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was, so it was very much in the public consciousness of the reaching government and all of that.
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It was just a perfect storm.
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Exactly.
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Do you think a legend like this could be born now?
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Yes.
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I suppose so.
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I mean there's crazy conspiracy theories that keep popping up every day.
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So why not?
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I feel like everyone now is just so suspicious because of AI and everything is just it's fake,
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but it looks so real.
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Yeah, there is a general distrust and a decline of faith in institutions, including those
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that bring us our facts and news and truths.
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And if it was going to come out today, I think it would be related to like home gaming,
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whether it's a streaming game or like a PlayStation game or something because so you know back
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in the day, arcades were where everybody was playing their games and now so many people
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play at home that a more truthful conspiracy theory today would be one of these home played
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games.
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That is true.
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So no one be afraid to visit the arcade.
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That's right.
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No, but almost right.
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It's old tech.
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It's not that fancy.
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It can't watch you or anything.
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It can't get you.
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It's not tracking you.
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If a version of Polybius was ever found and was playable and it did create all of these
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symptoms, everything was true.
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Would you play it?
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No.
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Good answer.
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I'd be very tempted.
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Me too.
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I would certainly watch somebody else play it first.
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Yes.
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Yes, have someone else be the test subject.
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But yeah, you know, some of the things that just crush the legend itself is there's no
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actual ROM sets that can be found.
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There was an article on I think it's coin up thought order or something where they said
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they had a ROM set but they never shared it.
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So we've actually existed.
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So for listeners who may not know what a ROM set is, this is the actual software that holds
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the game program.
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And they are they had historically been stored on chips.
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These ROM chips that were then on the main board of these arcade games.
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And now, you know, the ROM codes for all these arcade games that we all know and love in
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a bunch of deep cuts we don't is more or less preserved and can be reinstalled in new new
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chips, app ROMs and they can go into the machine and help preserve it.
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But again, you know, with the case of Polybius, the fact that there's no known ROM sets is deeply
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suspicious.
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Right.
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So there's that.
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There was a popular magazine at the time called Electronic Games.
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And from 1981 to 1984, there was not a single mention of Polybius.
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There was no mention of the game in any mainstream news in the early 80s.
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And you'd think if kids were really getting sick from these games and such quantities, like
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somebody would have said something on the news.
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It probably would have come up in one of these magazines.
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The first online mention was in 1998 or maybe the early 2000s, some people speculate the
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date on the article isn't really accurate.
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But yeah, it wasn't until the 2000s that there's really any mention of Polybius at any kind
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of media or prancer.
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Yeah.
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It's BS y'all.
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But if we jumped timelines like a Mandela effect situation, then there wouldn't be, right?
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It's funny that you say that because there's a story at the foundation of arcade 2084.
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Or it's a time travel story. It would not be uncommon for arcades in the 80s for operators
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to create a sci-fi motif and a little backstory for it.
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But audiences are a lot more sophisticated now.
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And the nerds are ruthless.
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00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,760
So this narrative is really rich.
494
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,880
And it contains multiple timelines as a time travel story.
495
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,080
And in the original timeline, Polybius exists and our antagonist, our villain, has changed
496
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,920
history and removed Polybius among other dastardly events.
497
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920
I love that.
498
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920
That is so much fun.
499
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:12,760
And I love how the urban legend just keeps getting held up by like, so the original game
500
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,400
supposedly was created by a company called Sinneslöschen.
501
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,440
It's a German where I probably completely mess it up.
502
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800
But it's supposed to mean like sensory deprivation.
503
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:31,200
But what people say, it's a very clumsy word as if somebody went to a translation dictionary
504
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200
and tried to make a word.
505
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,200
Yeah.
506
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:42,680
So Sinneslöschen, there in 2007 at Sinneslöschen.com, you can download a Windows game called Polybius.
507
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:51,240
In 2017, PS4 had a game, Polyvius 2013.
508
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,080
There was a homebrew game for the Atari 2600 called Polybius.
509
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,920
So even if it wasn't real before, they're making that game.
510
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760
Yeah, it's real now.
511
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Right, exactly.
512
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Maybe not with the mind control, but there are games called Polyvius now, which, again,
513
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
maybe with the mind control.
514
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,640
It makes the research murky, you know?
515
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,040
It did exist.
516
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,360
Well, Polybius games do exist, but, you know, yeah.
517
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,560
In '81.
518
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,560
Right.
519
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,320
So what is your guys' favorite arcade game?
520
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Can you pick?
521
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240
I know it's probably a terrible question to ask.
522
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,560
I like Gravitar.
523
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:44,120
This is a mid-80s Atari game, sort of a combination between Lunar Landr and Asteroids.
524
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880
The physics in the game are amazing.
525
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:53,840
You control a ship that you can direct the attitude of and thrust and firing, and you travel
526
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120
to different worlds on a two-dimensional plane.
527
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,240
And in these worlds, you have to collect fuel, which is depleting.
528
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480
If you run out of fuel, even if you have, you know, three guys left, that's the end
529
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,480
of the game.
530
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,880
So the tactics you use to employ, you know, your ship's fuel, it's just as important as
531
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880
your weapons.
532
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,200
It's a very difficult game, and it really crushes the spirit of most people.
533
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,560
It makes almost no money, and it is just fantastic.
534
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240
That sounds really stressful.
535
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,760
I'm feeling the bodily effects of the stress right now, and I'm not even playing it.
536
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,760
Yeah.
537
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,760
I can't stand that game.
538
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640
It's just so tough.
539
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,920
I'm dead in 30 seconds, and I'm just like, I'm done, you know.
540
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Most games, it's like, okay, let me try another token and see if I can get better, but that
541
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320
one's just so difficult.
542
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Do you guys have that one?
543
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Yes, we do.
544
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400
Everyone goes try to play it.
545
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Yes.
546
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Shana, do you have a favorite?
547
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Um, a Tapper has been a favorite.
548
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080
It is so hard to choose.
549
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Um, I say Tapper, where you're a bartender that, you know, you have to serve beer to your
550
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,160
patrons and serve more beer down the bar than there are patrons.
551
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,440
The mug falls off the bar and you leave it.
552
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Or if the patron gets to the end of the bar before you've given them a beer, they pick
553
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160
you up and throw you down the bar.
554
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Oh my god.
555
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Well, that's just fun.
556
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Do you guys have that one there?
557
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,760
We do.
558
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Yes.
559
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Oh my gosh, I have to tell you.
560
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,000
That's why I'm a Tapper.
561
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,160
It's got the Budweiser logo and that ended up changing over time to root beer Tapper to make
562
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160
it more kid friendly and all of that.
563
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Yeah, that is sort of, but I guess that is surprising that they made a beer game for children.
564
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Well, the games are originally not for children.
565
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,240
I mean, if you look at even the size of them, most kids need a chair to stand on.
566
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,400
It is a broad misconception that our kids were and are for children.
567
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,000
They're not necessarily children.
568
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,240
And a lot of them, like the Chuck E. Cheese and even like the mall arcades, we're maybe
569
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
geared a little bit more to kids.
570
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,320
And far more accessible, obviously.
571
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Right, but these original standalone arcades were seen as like these very seedy places where
572
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,320
people were dealing drugs and doing bad things and not for kids.
573
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Yeah.
574
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840
That is true because all the gambling stuff, that's right.
575
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,400
There were even some towns that had ordinances.
576
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960
And it's really interesting if you, Eric did some research a while back looking through
577
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160
old newspaper articles.
578
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,760
And a lot of towns had laws where arcades could not be opened during school hours.
579
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,520
And other such things.
580
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,920
Parents just thinking, yeah, they were just full of drugs and bad things.
581
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920
It was a mean, yeah.
582
00:32:51,920 --> 00:33:01,720
No, well, it came, the belief among the carons of the day came from, again, curls of truth.
583
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,600
And it's why we now believe arcades to be, there are preconceived notions that arcades are
584
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,600
for children.
585
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440
They're broken, they're dirty, they're rip off joints, there's no good food, there's
586
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,000
no good drink.
587
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:23,760
It comes from way back when these gaming parlors, billiards, pinball even, were in fact controlled
588
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920
by the mob.
589
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,400
And Kramah was a little girl and she knew that those places were controlled by the mob.
590
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:39,160
And coming out of the 50s and 60s, pinball at its peak, there are lots of pinball places
591
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800
that still had a lot of crime going on.
592
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:49,280
It was that third place like bars that maybe were less frequented by the authorities.
593
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,000
To be sure, there were narrative wells and things going on.
594
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,480
But going into the late 70s with video games, the dynamic was a little different.
595
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Teenagers did like to go there, but there was far less drugs and crime than was suspected.
596
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,760
And there was no longer any mob control to speak of.
597
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:21,880
But you can see how women were very concerned, maybe some men too, about the kids being in
598
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,880
these places.
599
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,160
I'm glad we're setting all of these records straight right now.
600
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,160
For real.
601
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,560
And definitely, you guys have great food.
602
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600
It is nice in there.
603
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320
Like you said, it's clean, it's fun.
604
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,640
I feel like everyone got it.
605
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960
We're really proud of the menu.
606
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,280
The drinks as well.
607
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,520
We're bringing to bear just decades of experience in food service and hospitality.
608
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,280
Because people deserve good food, good service, good drink and special products and special
609
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,200
place and a friendly crew, they deserve it.
610
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200
And they're not getting it.
611
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,040
They don't expect it with our kids.
612
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,160
So the bar is low for better or for worse for us.
613
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,560
Do you guys do any events at the arcade?
614
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,040
Well every night, every day we're open every day.
615
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,040
There's a special, the thirsty Thursday, for example, $5 drafts.
616
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,040
karaoke.
617
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Yeah, $4 bottles.
618
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680
You've karaoke?
619
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Yes.
620
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200
Thursday’s are now karaoke night.
621
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080
But only songs from 1989 and earlier.
622
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Oh my God, I love that.
623
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,880
That is amazing.
624
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,760
Friday is fast times Friday.
625
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,520
That's where you can get some of my Nitro beverage line at a discount.
626
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,160
Route 84 is a Nitro root beer.
627
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,080
And there's a non-alcoholic version that was a huge hit for a couple of years.
628
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,560
But a lot of guests would drop in a shot.
629
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,080
And you get a great flavor profile with whiskey or vanilla.
630
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,800
But the alcohol destroys the effervescence when you do that.
631
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,600
So I've created the new, smooth and hard line and this has the alcohol right in in the
632
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600
brewing process.
633
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,400
So it's just head for days and it's an amazing draft root beer on tap.
634
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Oh my gosh.
635
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840
And Saturday is super shot Saturday.
636
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,600
So we have our jealous shots and the big syringes.
637
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,720
They come with bonus tokens.
638
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,240
Sundays all day happy hour.
639
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,240
And then.
640
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,960
Dollar up all food and drink on the menu.
641
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,240
And then we do try to have other kinds of events eventually.
642
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,440
We're going to get into doing some kind of tournaments, competitions.
643
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,200
But see, this month alone we've got the Mrs. Roper romp.
644
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
So not arcade related, but definitely 80s related.
645
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,400
Two is a character from Three's Company.
646
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Who has this big curly red hair and wore these very colorful, they're called calf tans.
647
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
It's kind of like a big moomoo, big chunky jewelry.
648
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520
So everybody dresses up like Mrs. Roper and kind of bar hops.
649
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520
So we're doing that actually this Friday.
650
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,000
And then we do paint nights from time to time, black light paint night.
651
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Oh my god.
652
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,760
Yeah, do paintings with these phosphorescent paints that will glow under the black light.
653
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,280
And yeah, and we're open to other kinds of events.
654
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040
You know, if anybody's got an idea for us, just hit us up.
655
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,520
We'll see what we can fit in.
656
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,520
That sounds like so much fun.
657
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680
I am so into that black light paint.
658
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680
Oh my gosh.
659
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680
That sounds great.
660
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,400
You have a paint be support.
661
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Yeah.
662
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,400
And of course we do private parties too.
663
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,400
You can rent out the entire arcade.
664
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,400
Oh, you can?
665
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,400
Yes.
666
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Oh my gosh, that's so fun.
667
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,800
Has anyone done that yet?
668
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,800
Yes.
669
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,680
Have you had a wedding there?
670
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,800
No wedding is mostly birthdays, team building.
671
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
It was cute even during Pete COVID.
672
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,320
We opened July 2020.
673
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,320
It was rough.
674
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400
You know, a lot of people couldn't come in and there was a period where nobody could come
675
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400
in.
676
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,440
We're just afraid to be around other people.
677
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,000
And we had this adorable couple who reserved the arcade just for themselves for a fun date
678
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640
night, just the two of them.
679
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
That is so freaking sweet.
680
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,280
I love that.
681
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,360
As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.
682
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,240
So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.
683
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,640
Let show them some love.
684
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:26,360
Hi guys, I'm Courtney and I'm Lisa and we are the host of the Book of the Dead, a true
685
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,160
crime podcast based out of New Jersey where we tell you about the most obscure cases that
686
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,240
you may have never heard of.
687
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,280
So join us in the Book of the Dead library for another chapter of the Book of the Dead
688
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,560
wherever you get your podcasts.
689
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,720
Bye guys.
690
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:44,720
You guys!
691
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,080
We're back!
692
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,720
And don't worry, we did get more wine.
693
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,720
Well of course.
694
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,480
Well on our episodes, we usually do a tarot reading.
695
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,280
How do you guys feel about tarot?
696
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,080
A fun activity.
697
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,080
Yeah.
698
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Yeah?
699
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Okay.
700
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080
You're not scared, right?
701
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Oh.
702
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,080
It's just no science man.
703
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,080
It's not a big deal.
704
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,080
I agree.
705
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,960
But some people are like, "Oh no, evil.
706
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,960
We're gonna..."
707
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,960
I have a stranger thing, Stack.
708
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960
I thought it would be perfect to you.
709
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Okay.
710
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,560
So I'm giving it a couple of good shuffles here.
711
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Okay.
712
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:33,200
So I'm just gonna send me your Polybius vibes into the deck.
713
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,080
I think we're gonna go with this one.
714
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:45,400
Okay. We got the five of strands, which is Wands I Believe.
715
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
And I have my little interpretation book.
716
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640
I'm gonna find the page.
717
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360
I don't have all the cards memorized or anything.
718
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,360
We're pretty good now.
719
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,720
We've been doing it about almost three years now.
720
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,520
So we're pretty good with our intuition with the cards, but we still always like to read
721
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,760
the little interpretation.
722
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,760
It's a big deck.
723
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,760
A lot to learn.
724
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Yeah.
725
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Oh my gosh.
726
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160
I know the major arcana pretty well.
727
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Nerd.
728
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,360
I am.
729
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,880
I have so many tarot decks.
730
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,880
It's ridiculous.
731
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,880
That's cool.
732
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880
That's kind of cool.
733
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Yeah.
734
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,880
I like how I do that.
735
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880
And then I have a theme for like any topic.
736
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Perfect.
737
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,760
So there needs to be like a Pac-Man, you know, an arcade-game tarot deck.
738
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,760
There should be.
739
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640
You guys should invent one.
740
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,360
You should invent one.
741
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,880
We can work on it together.
742
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,880
I know.
743
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920
I don't know a lot about arcade games.
744
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,320
I know how to play Pac-Man sort of.
745
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,320
There's patterns.
746
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Are you going to teach me secrets right now?
747
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,520
Like that.
748
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680
There's a hiding spot in Pac-Man.
749
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,520
There's no pause button on any of these games.
750
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,840
So if you need to go take a pee break, you better hope you bought the asteroids branded diaper
751
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,720
because you can't step away without losing your guy.
752
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,800
Well on Pac-Man, there's a place in the maze where you can tuck Pac-Man in there.
753
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,560
The monsters won't bother him.
754
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,240
But what if someone else comes and moves the little stick and moves them out?
755
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,240
Yeah.
756
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,240
Is it a stick?
757
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,240
Or is it a Piss-But?
758
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,520
You take it with them behind the arcade.
759
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Take them out back.
760
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Yeah.
761
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Deal with...
762
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Talk to NATO or the UN or something.
763
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,280
Okay.
764
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,760
So for five of strands, which is ones, I double checked.
765
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,320
Five of strands is like navigating Murkwood Forest with a dim flashlight.
766
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,360
No matter how hard you try to find your way, you're surrounded by shadows and illusion throwing
767
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,160
you off course.
768
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Although you may feel lost, remember that all you need is clarity.
769
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120
What is the source of your current conflict?
770
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,840
Are you trying to solve the right problem?
771
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,120
As tricky as this card can be, it does indicate a great payoff if things can be resolved.
772
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Now it's just a matter of deciding whether you think it's worth it.
773
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Ooh, is that a threat?
774
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,960
That's a good one.
775
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,960
I feel slightly threatened.
776
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,440
Maybe we shouldn't be trying to solve this mystery.
777
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Right?
778
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400
A plebeia is, yeah, don't be close.
779
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Yeah, I kind of think that's what it was saying.
780
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Oh, awesome.
781
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,600
As a patriarchy, I do suggest we stop this immediately.
782
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Okay.
783
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,320
That is interesting, though, that it said it talked about illusion.
784
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,320
Right?
785
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680
That was like so perfect for this game.
786
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,080
I like the lights, too, kind of just remind me of the whole vibe of the, with all the lights
787
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,480
in the arcade.
788
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,280
So do we get any more cards?
789
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,280
Can you hit us?
790
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,280
Can you hit me?
791
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,280
Do you want another card?
792
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280
We'll double down.
793
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Yeah.
794
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280
Let's do it.
795
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280
I don't know how to play.
796
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,280
So.
797
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560
I just grabbed, I felt like grabbing the one just that was on the top right here.
798
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,880
And it's the page of dice.
799
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,880
Dice.
800
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880
Dice are swords.
801
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,880
Ooh.
802
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880
Okay.
803
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160
Page of dice.
804
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Will Byers is full of creative ideas from stories to game campaigns to exploring the world
805
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,480
of science.
806
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Okay.
807
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,720
As the page of dice, Will is finding his voice and learning how to express himself.
808
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:28,760
His presence in your reading encourages you to pursue your ideas or consider new ways
809
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160
of communicating your thoughts.
810
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,160
So which is it?
811
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Should we not pursue it?
812
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Should we pursue it?
813
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,160
That was good.
814
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:43,800
That was, it literally says game campaigns like in science.
815
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,640
I love it.
816
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000
I'm thinking of a shape right now.
817
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000
What is it?
818
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
I don't know.
819
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Triangle.
820
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Oh my God.
821
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,600
I'm going to miss a phenomenon.
822
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,880
Thank you.
823
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,000
I was just thinking of pizza because I'm hungry.
824
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,920
It was a circle.
825
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,640
It was a fucking circle.
826
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,640
I was close.
827
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,200
I was a fucking circle.
828
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,200
That was very close.
829
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,440
See, I am a witch.
830
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,680
He said that pizza is a circle, but a slice of pizza is a triangle.
831
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Yeah.
832
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Yeah.
833
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680
So I was right.
834
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,680
Everybody was right.
835
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Yeah.
836
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Okay.
837
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Well, do you guys have any last words?
838
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,840
I did want to mention how urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change.
839
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,280
But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness.
840
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,780
And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where
841
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:40,400
Polybius keeps showing up.
842
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,400
So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, Nine Inch Nails video, Less Than.
843
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560
It's prominent in that one.
844
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,800
There was a short live show called Dimension 404.
845
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440
It's got an episode all about Polybius, which I highly recommend.
846
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Loki in Season 1, Polybius was there.
847
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600
And some show called Paper Girls have never heard of.
848
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,800
But Polybius shows up there, too.
849
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,800
So.
850
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Wow.
851
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,080
I feel like that's just going to cement the legend for way in the future.
852
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480
They're going to be like, look, it was real.
853
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120
It's in all of these old things.
854
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Right.
855
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120
And I think as people learn about it, you know, like you weren't necessarily there, but
856
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,120
you learn about it.
857
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,520
Like, oh, this is interesting.
858
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,320
And then they put it in their movie or book or whatever.
859
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,760
It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness.
860
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120
Yeah, I agree.
861
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,160
So I had the opportunity to be at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo a weekend.
862
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Oh, fun.
863
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Yeah.
864
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:45,960
And I met some fellows that work on independent new arcade games.
865
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,080
And they have a number of titles that are hugely successful in barricades across the country.
866
00:45:52,080 --> 00:46:02,120
And I plan to pick up one or two of those for our arcade to introduce new audiences to
867
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,840
these old titles.
868
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,720
These games, these guys are making are in the spirit of these original eight 16-bit games
869
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,080
from the '80s.
870
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,960
The gameplay is on point as if the arcade phenomenon of the '80s didn't stop.
871
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,360
They've really, really nailed it.
872
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:28,920
And I'm excited to be working with them also on a new Polybius game that will be at our arcade.
873
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Oh, my gosh.
874
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,160
I'm so excited.
875
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360
You have to let me know when it comes.
876
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,880
I'm going to do like an opening day.
877
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,320
We hope that every day people come along.
878
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:48,800
There's been since we opened up a contest to create Polybius as well as some arcade games
879
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,480
in the style of the '80s and one with our own stories and narrative elements.
880
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,920
But there have been no submissions in this entire time.
881
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,840
So I'm hopeful that working with these guys, we can act the rubber to the road and get these
882
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,840
games rolling.
883
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,160
And bring this urban legend to life.
884
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Yes.
885
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Oh, this is so exciting.
886
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,200
I'm so glad to have you guys on.
887
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Yeah.
888
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Thank you so much.
889
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,200
It's wonderful to be here.
890
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Thank you so much for your opportunity to talk to you.
891
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Yeah, absolutely.
892
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Do you guys have Instagram or Facebook or anything like that?
893
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,120
A website?
894
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,120
All three.
895
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Yeah.
896
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Website barthattimeforgot.com.
897
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,360
That will swing you over to barthattimeforgot.com.
898
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,400
That's our speakeasy style cocktail bar, board winning cocktails.
899
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,520
And Instagram, @arcade_2084.
900
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,160
Yeah, and I think our Facebook handle is bar timeforgot.
901
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,160
Bar that timeforgot.
902
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,320
I can't remember if there's underscores in it or not.
903
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,920
Well, we'll link to the website and I'm sure that they can find you all from there.
904
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Excellent.
905
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000
Have a creepy ass day.
906
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,920
See you in the future.
907
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,640
We won't have a tarot read video for our Patreon this week, but we will have a very special
908
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,040
bonus episode, a whole episode for you guys.
909
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,840
Oh, my gourd.
910
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Yes, so that will be released in place of a video.
911
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,040
I'm very sorry.
912
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440
You won't see our beautiful faces.
913
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Still, if you have any true crime, paranormal, witchy, or other creepy stories, maybe like
914
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360
any creepy video games you've played recently.
915
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Yeah, definitely that.
916
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,440
You should attention them too, Cassie.
917
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,920
That'll be for our listener appreciation episodes, creepy people chronicles.
918
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:54,800
Email them to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or you can use the Google contact link in our
919
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,760
episode description.
920
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,760
Slash.
921
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Show notes.
922
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,560
When you are always welcome to remain anonymous, if you have a story that maybe you're worried
923
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120
the men in black will come after you for.
924
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,120
Oh, great.
925
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,600
We don't want that to happen to you.
926
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:17,280
I wasn't worried about that, particularly, but after this episode you might be okay, great.
927
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200
It's fine.
928
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,560
But they also don't have to be specifically from the Pacific Northwest.
929
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Yes.
930
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Yeah, let's focus on that.
931
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,760
These great, pre-impressed that I said specifically Pacific.
932
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,760
Oh, yes.
933
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:43,320
All of us on all of the socials, if you don't want to miss out on photos of the tarot cards,
934
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:49,960
our beautiful, alter setups and a lot of backstage shenanigans, unless the men in black
935
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,960
are after you.
936
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,360
And therefore you have no time for shenanigans.
937
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,360
None.
938
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,400
And whatsoever.
939
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Also this week's tarot card photos will not be with an alter, but they'll be very special.
940
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,320
You can find our website and link tree in the description of this episode to check out
941
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,720
all of the strange fun we have to offer. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com
942
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:45,280
Oh.
943
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Do you want to say it with me?
944
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,800
You don't have to say the ass part.
945
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,600
Oh, I'm into the ass.
946
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,280
Okay, cool.
947
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,520
We love the ass around here.
