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If law enforcement was aware of this aspect of her background, did that play a role in
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how dismissive they were initially in her case?
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Did they assume that Misty was a runaway because of her tribal connection?
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Whether this information was known at the onset of the case or not, or how it might have
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worked for or against Misty, and those searching for her feels almost irrelevant in any case.
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[Music]
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Hi Cassie!
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Hi Caitlyn!
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I'm looking at you!
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I'm looking at you!
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Is it weird?
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So weird!
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Wait, do we need to like, side-eye each other?
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I'm not used to seeing you from this angle!
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I know!
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What are you seeing?
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I hope this is my good side.
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It was straight on!
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Oh my God!
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What?
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She's oddly silent!
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I'm like, oh this is my good side and she's like, if I say nothing, I'm not a liar!
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Well, hi creepy people!
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW, Haunts and Homicides.
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Where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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Did you notice I pointed to the wrong people?
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You said true crime and I did this and you said spooky and I did that.
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That was wrong.
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We're opposite.
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It was not correct.
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It was totally wrong.
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Yeah.
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We know it's not wrong.
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What?
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Doing a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic
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for the day.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Very true.
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So stick around if you don't think that is wrong also.
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Yeah.
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A stooot observation, my good co-host.
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Thank you.
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Okay, so we were trying to cheer us and the internet died because cheers to new office space.
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That was kind of cute.
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You could see our blurry hands go into each other's frame.
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Yeah.
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I liked it.
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I liked it.
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We do have something very special to do before we start.
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We have a VIP Patreon chat.
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I was like, I was looking at her and was like, "She forgot.
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She forgot.
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She forgot.
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I was like, "What's the thing?"
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I can't take anymore.
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Surprise.
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Yeah.
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My body was literally about to reject whatever was coming.
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Oh my goodness.
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Okay.
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Well, we have Amanda who joined the...
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Is it she is thick?
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She is.
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She thick.
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She thick.
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With two C's.
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And I like it.
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That's the tear that she's.
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I don't think that's correct.
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I think isn't it?
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And I love it.
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Oh, she thick and I love it.
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Damn it.
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I fucked it up, you guys.
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Whatever.
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Love like same thing.
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This is about Amanda.
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Okay.
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We need to give her her VIP treatment.
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Okay.
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We're going to send her a bottle of champagne, talk that covers strawberries, rose petals,
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to spread on your bed, some bubble bath.
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Not really.
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Just kidding.
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Okay.
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I was like, "Huh.
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That's interesting.
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I think we have a lot, some budget that I was completely unaware of."
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I wish.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's, I mean, that's really the best promotion for Patreon if I've ever heard it.
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I mean, we should start sending them to.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if we would, if only there were more VIPs.
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Yeah.
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And if thousands, I think probably is the more thicker, more thickerness in the VIP section
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over here.
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Yeah.
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We're very, very lucky to have the Patreon members that we do, but if you can help us grow
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and have more, that'd be so cool.
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We do love you.
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Yeah.
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I literally moved for you.
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Yes.
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She did.
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Yeah.
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Just for you, Amanda.
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We did this just for you.
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Just for you.
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You're so cool.
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And Amanda has the thickest heart I've ever seen.
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Oh, I like what you did there.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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I like it to lull.
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Do you like it or do you love it?
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I love it.
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Seem thing.
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Well, Amanda, you have to let us know if you like or love your VIP treatment because those are your only options.
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To like or love it.
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Yep.
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Sorry to teach you about the champagne in the boat.
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Yeah.
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I always rude.
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Should we get into the episode?
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Yeah.
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Let's do it.
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Part two.
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Okay.
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I'm ready for it.
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Okay.
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I can't remember what part one was about.
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Let's go.
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Well, so here's the thing.
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Is my notes start?
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And this is, I'm reading them directly.
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Cassie.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I didn't put this in, but now I feel like time has really magnified the, I don't even know the word.
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Is it irritation or I've got a bone to pick with you.
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With me.
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Yeah.
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What did I do?
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Yeah.
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I know.
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I was like, "Oh, we're in the boat."
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I didn't know you had a sportsing joke.
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You did?
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Because I told you I was like, "Oh, remind me.
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We have a sportsing joke."
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Oh, no.
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At the end.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's fine.
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Will you ever forgive me?
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I mean, I already have it.
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Like, I didn't care that much.
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Okay.
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So it's actually just kind of a sportsing meme.
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More than anything.
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So it's a meme.
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A what?
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A meme.
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A meme.
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So it's a, it was a, when I first saw this several years ago, it was just a bottle of
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clone and something like.
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Well, so that's what I'm getting to.
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That's what I'm getting to.
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So it actually said, like somebody just photoshopped on like a label and it says, "Romo
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Cologne."
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And it looks like it's supposed to be like in a magazine and it's supposed to be like a cologne,
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like ad.
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And their tagline says, "You wear it.
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The other guy scores."
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Listen, if you were a Cowboys fan.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, anyways.
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I had to at least try to get a giggle in before we started because obviously this is
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going to be a really dark story or series of stories in part two.
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We're all going to learn so much about Puyallup and some of the surrounding areas.
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It might just be coming out of our ears by the end.
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I don't want anything coming out of my ears except for earwax.
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I was like, "Do you want stuff coming out of your ears?"
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Period.
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They're the only earwax because that makes it clean.
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So that's fine.
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Okay.
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And then you could hear what happens.
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Okay.
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I felt like I just rambled on for five minutes.
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I don't think it was five minutes, but that was impressive.
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In November of 1992, King County officials announced they would be reopening the Green River
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Killer Case.
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Both the press and locals wondered if authorities suspected the yet unknown killer in the cases
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of Kim Delange from Sumner, Washington and Anna.
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Okay.
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These are some names here.
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Chebetnoy, Puyallup.
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We're going to go with that.
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I trust you.
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Following their disappearances from the Puyallup area, both girls would sadly be deferred
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dead.
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Oh.
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I mean, I kind of saw a comment that I hate it still.
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Don't like it.
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The 15 was killed in July of 1988.
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Aww.
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Then Anna 14 was killed in August of 1990.
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Damn.
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I just feel like the whole month of my birth should be kind of excluded from anything
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nefarious.
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Yeah.
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Good luck with that.
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Yeah.
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No.
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I'm just saying, I don't know.
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It upsets me.
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It upsets me when anyone dies from murder.
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But I really hate that.
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Yeah.
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When I was born, I know.
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Boo.
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An interview with the King County homicide detective would later reveal that his investigation
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was operating under the assumption that like the previous two disappearances of teenage
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girls from the Puyolip area, it was unlikely that Misty Copsey would be found alive.
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Did you say unlikely?
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Yes.
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Aww.
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I was like, I was hoping that you were going to say like, "What are you doing?"
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You said likely, didn't you?
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Right.
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No.
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Okay.
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The same detective, along with many others, noted that there were two years and one month
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between each of the disappearances.
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Kimberly was last seen in July 1988, Anna in August 1990, and Misty in September 1992.
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Where?
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788-8992.
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Oh, there's a lot of numbers you just spit out at me.
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I was kind of trained to present it both ways like in alpha and also numeric form because
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I know people's brains kind of process information differently, but the important thing to take
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away is like I said, two years and one month between each of the disappearances.
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Is that 25 months?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I did do the math first.
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I was like, "Who 13?"
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And I was like, "Oh shit, she said two years."
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Yeah.
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12.
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Times 2 plus 1.
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Do you know what would really make me just like comprehend it a little better is if you
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told it to me?
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And it's a whiteboard?
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Yeah, whiteboard, but in you wrote it in Roman numerals for me.
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Oh, yeah, that won't ever happen.
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Not a million years.
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Mostly because I don't know how.
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This strong suspicion that Misty was probably already dead wouldn't come to light until
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well after searchers found clothing linked to Misty in 1993.
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They were the articles of clothing Misty was believed to have been wearing at the time
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of her disappearance.
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Aww, that's not a good sign.
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No.
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The detective also believed that Misty was killed by the same person who killed Anna and
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Kimberly.
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The bodies of Anna and Kimberly had been discovered along the south side of Highway
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410 near Enumclaw around mile marker #30.
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There remains only roughly a hundred feet apart, chillingly also in very close proximity
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to this site is where Misty's clothing would later be found.
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Oh, yeah, there's a lot of things like connecting it.
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I was going to ask is it just because it was the two years and one month apart or was there
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more things?
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Yeah.
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It's also such close proximity.
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So getting into super nitty gritty details, these are young women kind of that fit a similar
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profile, so to speak.
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And yeah, so I feel like it would be silly not to at least consider the idea that they
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might be linked.
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Yeah.
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Yikes.
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The baggy acid wash jeans Misty had borrowed from her mother and other clothing items were
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found in the area and that marked the end of hope for Diana, her mother.
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No.
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I just like wanted to cling to the cool acid wash.
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I know.
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I just like that she borrowed from her mom.
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She borrowed from her.
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And they were too big.
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Oh, I love it.
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They hung off of her.
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So that's like so cool though in the 90s.
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Oh, God.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I used to borrow my mom's clothes sometimes because I liked like, oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I still get close and are too big.
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Yeah.
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These clothing items were proven to have been present for some time in the dirt.
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Which I think is worth noting because there was a lot of speculation about whether some
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of those clothing items based on the fact that they were found by a volunteer search party
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and they were found by Misty's mother, Diana and Cory Bober on a search part of that
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group that was helping them.
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Oh.
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It was also after one of the detectives had spent like six hours out there searching.
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And it's always possible that things get missed.
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But there was a lot of speculation that like, did they place these items there?
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Did the search party or did the detects, okay, inch, but like why would they do?
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Some people have speculated over the years that Misty was met with foul play at the hands
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of people very close to her.
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I don't think that over time that accusation or that, you know, theory of the case has,
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I mean, number one, it hasn't aged all that well because it's all based in, I would say,
329
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really sort of derogatory stereotypes.
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It just, there isn't really a whole lot of basis for it.
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Just in my own research.
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But it's a very strange case.
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Misty Copsey's case is really kind of a wild one.
334
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But yeah, that's one of the things that's come up over the years that I can't quite wrap
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my head around how people really glom down to that one.
336
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It's really sad for the people that found it too.
337
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Like her, her mom was in that group, right?
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You said?
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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And then to like be accused of that, it's terrible.
342
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Well, in from the beginning, she's not really been believed by law enforcement.
343
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that was a huge, that was, it's a huge criticism of the case and the, you know,
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the investigation really from the jump because she had really a hell of a time trying to report
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her child missing.
349
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Yeah.
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Hate it.
351
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Yeah.
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We don't love it.
353
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Did we talk about that in part one or was?
354
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Yeah, I think we did.
355
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Okay.
356
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Talk about that a little bit in part one.
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We can't even begin about a little bit.
358
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Yeah.
359
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Okay.
360
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Yeah.
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And, you know, the tough thing is that like I get, if somebody has reported a child missing
362
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before, you know, that if you have that familiarity with a family as law enforcement, you know,
363
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it would be really hard not to let that color, you know, your experience with these people.
364
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But I, and I do think actually this rings about now that, you know, we're coming back to
365
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this.
366
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We did talk about this in part one because one of the things that I, I'm almost positive
367
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anyway, that I had mentioned was that she'd reported missing at one point.
368
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And she never pulled off that report after she found her because she was like, oh, that's
369
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embarrassing.
370
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Right.
371
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Everything was fine.
372
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But they also never did any follow up.
373
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Yeah.
374
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This is months later.
375
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And as far as they know, she was still missing.
376
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Right.
377
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And that was true.
378
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That was crazy.
379
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No investigation.
380
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No follow up with the family.
381
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Yeah.
382
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That's not super comforting if you need to do it again either.
383
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No.
384
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No.
385
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No.
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I mean, this is a, it's a systemic issue that like they're not taking, you know, certain reports
387
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seriously.
388
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Yeah.
389
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But here's a question.
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How did a volunteer search party know to look in this area specifically?
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What are the odds that a civilian search would uncover?
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The currently missing girls close in that very spot because that's exactly what happened
393
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apparently.
394
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It said that a civilian following the investigation was able to pump a source close to the case for
395
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the location where the two bodies were discovered.
396
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So that would be Anna and Kimberly when he visited the Amie's office.
397
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That man was Corey Bober.
398
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Boy, is he an interesting character?
399
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Oh.
400
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In this whole decades long debacle.
401
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So the only reason that the civilian search party ended up there was because he pumped
402
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somebody on the inside for information about where the bodies of those two girls were actually
403
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found.
404
00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,100
Okay.
405
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:49,500
I mean, that seems like really intense.
406
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Yeah.
407
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And he's a very intense guy.
408
00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:56,500
I can't tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
409
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I would say arguably maybe neither.
410
00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:01,940
Okay.
411
00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:06,420
So I'm picking up the vibe where it's like, yeah, it's just intense.
412
00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:07,940
It's very intense.
413
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It's like camping.
414
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It was nearly two weeks after Misty's initial disappearance that a local sergeant met with
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Diana at the junior high where he also spoke with some of Misty's peers.
416
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After conducting these interviews, the sergeant informed Diana that Misty would no longer
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be classified as a missing person, but as a runaway.
418
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Because of what the other kid said.
419
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Mm-hmm.
420
00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:40,340
Okay.
421
00:19:40,340 --> 00:19:41,340
Reliant the kids.
422
00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:42,340
Mm-hmm.
423
00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:43,340
Okay.
424
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And not her close friends.
425
00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:51,420
Which I think I'm going to say later, but I feel like I could say it three, four, five times
426
00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:53,980
and it bears repeating.
427
00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:56,100
It's, yeah, that's ridiculous.
428
00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:58,020
Oh my God.
429
00:19:58,020 --> 00:20:03,900
You see, unfortunately, there were stories relayed by some of Misty's classmates, stories
430
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:10,660
of having seen or spoken to her since her disappearance that were taken at face value.
431
00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:11,660
Mm-hmm.
432
00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:12,660
Okay.
433
00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:19,460
That same sergeant even spoke to local media and news outlets to inform the community
434
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that Misty was not considered a missing person, but rather a runaway.
435
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Based off of what kids who didn't know her that well said because of like high school
436
00:20:32,380 --> 00:20:37,860
rumors or whatever middle school you said, you are going to get so pissed here in a second.
437
00:20:37,860 --> 00:20:39,540
Middle school is even worse.
438
00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:41,140
No one knows what's going on.
439
00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:44,900
No, you don't know your head from your ass.
440
00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:50,940
It was a devastating blow for Diana in the case because she knew better, but no one
441
00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:53,300
else seemed to agree.
442
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:58,260
The teens that were circulating rumors about seeing or hearing from Misty weren't even
443
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good friends of hers.
444
00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:09,580
One of the girls would later recant stating that she'd been hopeful it would somehow bring
445
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:13,900
her attention and maybe make her more popular.
446
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,220
Who?
447
00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:18,540
The girl herself or Misty?
448
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:26,860
She wanted to get the attention from having seen or spoken to this girl who had gone missing.
449
00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:30,060
That sounds exactly like what a fucking middle schooler would do.
450
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:31,060
Yeah.
451
00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:32,060
Doesn't it?
452
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,060
I don't know.
453
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:37,740
Even in middle school, I just don't think that I could have done something like that.
454
00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:42,140
I mean, there were things that happened when we were middle school, early high school that
455
00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:43,700
were kind of similar.
456
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,660
And I don't know.
457
00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:50,660
It just sounds like a shitty fucking little immature kid thing to do.
458
00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:51,660
Yeah.
459
00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:52,660
I mean, it does.
460
00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:53,660
It does.
461
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,660
I just better than that.
462
00:21:54,660 --> 00:21:55,660
We would never do anything like that.
463
00:21:55,660 --> 00:22:01,940
You know, I think that there are just certain things that it's a maturity level.
464
00:22:01,940 --> 00:22:08,700
I'm not coming from a place of like being, you know, holier than thou, but like, I think
465
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from a fairly young age, there were just certain things that I understood that like, this
466
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isn't a white lie.
467
00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:17,420
Yeah.
468
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:26,820
You can't make things up about this type of a situation because it affects real people
469
00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:29,700
in a very meaningful way.
470
00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:30,700
Yeah.
471
00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:31,700
I don't know.
472
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:39,300
Maybe that's naive of me to say now as, you know, a woman in her, you know, very early 30s.
473
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We are so mature too.
474
00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:43,780
So mature.
475
00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:49,380
One girl claimed to have gotten a call from Misty, who was reportedly in Olympia at the time
476
00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:55,020
of the call, though it's unclear why she would have been there.
477
00:22:55,020 --> 00:23:03,260
There was another claim that Misty was seen at the Color Me Badd concert on September 21,
478
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1992.
479
00:23:04,740 --> 00:23:11,260
I went so far as to confirm that Color Me Badd was in fact at the Puyallup fairgrounds
480
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on that date performing because to me, it seems fairly clear, at least in hindsight, that
481
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,100
both of these stories were bullshit.
482
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,100
Yeah.
483
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,780
And I really wanted to know.
484
00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:29,780
I really wanted to know was Color Me Badd even in the state of Washington?
485
00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:30,780
Yeah.
486
00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:31,780
They sound cool.
487
00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:32,780
I wanted to know who they are.
488
00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:35,780
I want to listen to some songs later.
489
00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:36,780
Okay.
490
00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:37,780
Yeah.
491
00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:39,140
Was that even her type of music, though?
492
00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:40,780
Like, do you know any of that?
493
00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:41,780
I have no idea.
494
00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:43,780
I think that's interesting.
495
00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:50,340
At that point in time, even if they weren't like your favorite, the fact that they were
496
00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:55,540
in Puyallup, you probably would have gone if you were a teenager.
497
00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:56,540
That's true.
498
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,540
Like what is going on?
499
00:23:58,540 --> 00:23:59,540
Yeah.
500
00:23:59,540 --> 00:24:00,540
Yeah.
501
00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:01,540
Very much.
502
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:02,540
Yeah.
503
00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:10,820
But yeah, no, I mean, it doesn't make sense because it doesn't.
504
00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:13,660
You can't make the puzzle piece as fit.
505
00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:15,620
No, you can't.
506
00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:20,500
It's like somebody who's already been missing for several days and this is, you know, a kid
507
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:27,540
that just, I'm sorry, but I just don't, I don't see her going missing.
508
00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:35,140
Her just disappearing and, you know, not being in contact with her family.
509
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:36,140
Yeah.
510
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:37,140
That's going to circle back.
511
00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:43,580
Well, even if she did run away, like, and then she went to like a concert in public where
512
00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:45,980
she knows people are looking for her.
513
00:24:45,980 --> 00:24:49,460
I mean, I assume if she was a run away, she would know people were looking for her.
514
00:24:49,460 --> 00:24:50,460
Right.
515
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:54,740
So you wouldn't go to like a public concert in the same town that you are missing from.
516
00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:55,740
You wouldn't think.
517
00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:56,740
Yeah.
518
00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:02,100
Even a teenager, I feel like would be, you know, come on.
519
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,300
You got to be smarter than that.
520
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:11,700
Around this time, relatively early on in the investigation is when Diana found an unlikely
521
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:15,020
ally in Coery Bober.
522
00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:19,300
So we've already kind of broached the topic of the Bober.
523
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,300
Of the Bober.
524
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,300
Yeah.
525
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,820
Not to be confused with the Bebes.
526
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:24,820
Definitely not.
527
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:25,820
Not the same guy.
528
00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:28,820
That is all totally different.
529
00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:32,820
Totally different dude.
530
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:40,300
There was a part of her that was relieved to find someone, anyone that was just as relentless
531
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:43,100
in pursuing answers in the case.
532
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:48,060
Are you going to tell us like who this guy is and why he cares?
533
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:49,540
Well, a bit.
534
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:50,540
Okay.
535
00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:51,540
Yeah.
536
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:54,780
I'm just like super interested on like that is his connection to this thing's person.
537
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:55,780
No, it's a thing.
538
00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:56,780
It's a thing.
539
00:25:56,780 --> 00:26:00,180
It's he, it leaves you wondering for sure.
540
00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:01,180
Yeah.
541
00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,260
Oh boy.
542
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:11,140
For his part, Corey Bober was really more relentless about his particular theory in relation
543
00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:14,980
to the Green River serial killer case.
544
00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:15,980
Okay.
545
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:19,460
I mean, okay.
546
00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:27,620
He believed that the man who killed all three of the girls was a former Puyallup resident
547
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:32,740
who he was also adamant was the Green River killer.
548
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:33,740
Okay.
549
00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:37,300
Starting to click a little bit.
550
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:45,300
That man while later convicted for sex crimes perpetrated against a child was not by anyone's
551
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,060
estimation, the Green River killer.
552
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:54,180
Well, I mean, anyone other than Corey Bober, that is.
553
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:57,180
He is not letting that go.
554
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:58,180
Really?
555
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:59,180
Really?
556
00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:00,180
Still like to this day.
557
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:01,180
Yes.
558
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:02,180
Really?
559
00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:03,180
Yeah.
560
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:04,180
Yes.
561
00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:11,420
I mean, I haven't seen anything that's like up to like yesterday or--
562
00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:12,420
Yeah.
563
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:13,420
But--
564
00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:14,420
To this very day.
565
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:15,420
But yes.
566
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:16,420
Yeah.
567
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:18,660
I don't think he's ever letting that go.
568
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:21,660
His name was Randall Dean Achziger.
569
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:22,660
Achziger.
570
00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:24,660
You know what?
571
00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:25,660
Really?
572
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:26,660
Does it matter?
573
00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:27,660
No.
574
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:28,660
But here we go.
575
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:33,380
The men had become acquainted in the early 1980s.
576
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:38,740
So at this point, we're fully like a decade later.
577
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:50,500
It was a handful of years later in 1984 that Randall made a comment to Bober from which
578
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:55,940
his suspicion and eventual theory would grow.
579
00:27:55,940 --> 00:28:06,660
He told Bober the killer inserted rocks into his victims' remains.
580
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:09,180
OK.
581
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:17,540
Randy claimed he'd overheard the information about the case from an intoxicated Auburn police
582
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:22,260
officer at a wedding reception in neighboring Kent.
583
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:24,260
OK.
584
00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:35,260
If allegedly it was the captain who shared the previously well-capped law enforcement
585
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:36,260
secret.
586
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:37,260
What?
587
00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:44,460
This is a detail that they're holding back because they need certain details not to be
588
00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:45,860
known by the public.
589
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:46,860
Yeah.
590
00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:52,100
So they can know when they've got the real McCoy confessing.
591
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:56,340
They don't want any false confessage going on.
592
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:57,340
Yeah.
593
00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:59,260
I kind of don't think that they cared.
594
00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:05,500
But that's conjecture allegedly for legal purposes.
595
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:10,660
I mean, obviously if the captain is going to spill in the secrets when he gets a little
596
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:12,940
too tipsy at a wedding.
597
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:13,940
Listen.
598
00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:14,940
OK.
599
00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:22,060
You can't hit the sauce too heavy if you're going to start spill in details like that.
600
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:24,580
It loves the sauce myself.
601
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:29,940
But also I'm not privy to those kind of details of an active investigation.
602
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:32,180
I would not trust myself with secrets.
603
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:33,740
No, like no.
604
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,580
I don't know.
605
00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:41,340
I feel like you have to you have to get your mind right.
606
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:42,340
Yeah.
607
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:45,380
I meant like having secrets and then like getting drunk.
608
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:47,940
But then I'm like, wait, I keep a lot of people's secrets.
609
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:49,580
So I don't really know what I'm saying here.
610
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:50,580
Yeah.
611
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:53,620
You're not at your good at keeping secrets.
612
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:54,620
Right.
613
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:55,620
Huh.
614
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:56,620
Weird.
615
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:58,860
I had no idea I was getting provoked.
616
00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:03,220
So I know there were so many signs.
617
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:07,020
I got drunk with you a lot before that.
618
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:11,700
And I didn't still one secret didn't spell one fucking being.
619
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:12,700
I could be a captain.
620
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,780
I think you could.
621
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:18,900
Was this like proven or did this guy just say this or you're going to talk about it?
622
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:25,580
I some of this stuff, it's like how would you ever be able to truly verify it?
623
00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:30,340
Like the captain didn't like come out and admit it or I don't know that he's ever come out
624
00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:31,860
and admit it.
625
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:39,340
But I will say that there are certain things that only certain levels of law enforcement
626
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:41,580
would be privy to that.
627
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:47,380
It's like, okay, well, like it's a relatively short list.
628
00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:48,380
Like, yeah.
629
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:56,500
And the fact that he's named a specific person and like, is somebody's wedding.
630
00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:01,140
So that even goes back to like, we can look and see what date that was.
631
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:02,660
And like, yeah.
632
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:04,900
Like, why would he lie?
633
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:05,900
Yeah.
634
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,940
I put that in a one check.
635
00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:08,940
Probably.
636
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:09,940
Who knows?
637
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:10,940
Who knows?
638
00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:12,940
They're not checking a lot of shit here.
639
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:13,940
Did you check?
640
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:14,940
Did you hunt down this?
641
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:15,940
There's no way.
642
00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:18,860
There's no way for me to figure that out.
643
00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:22,220
I really wish, but you did what you could with the concert.
644
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:23,220
I did.
645
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:24,220
Yeah.
646
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,220
I did.
647
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:26,220
Oh my God.
648
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:34,020
I spent 30 minutes alone just tracking down the date of the concert and checking where...
649
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:35,020
I'm not kidding.
650
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:38,980
I looked up archives of color me badd's.
651
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:40,500
Fucking tour schedule.
652
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:41,500
Oh my God.
653
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,260
It's so funny.
654
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:46,260
I was like, I need to know.
655
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:48,340
You just need to know.
656
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:54,500
And if you know, if you need to know, probably find it, it's like even better.
657
00:31:54,500 --> 00:32:03,060
Truth be told, this detail is still only partially accurate, but in any case, Coery Bober simply
658
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:06,660
did not believe him regarding the source of the information.
659
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:10,500
He's like, only the killer would know that.
660
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:12,820
How did he know that that was even true?
661
00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:17,620
I mean, that's a really good question since that's why I led with it was only partially
662
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:18,620
true.
663
00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:19,620
Right.
664
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:20,620
Okay.
665
00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:21,620
So...
666
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:26,620
Like, yeah, like, how would he even know that that guy is telling the truth about that?
667
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:27,620
Yeah.
668
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:28,860
No, it's a really good question.
669
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:39,660
And only someone who maybe wasn't dealing with a full deck would think that, oh well, this
670
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:41,460
is the basis of...
671
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:42,460
Yeah.
672
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:47,660
And like, he just went from zero to a thousand from there.
673
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:51,020
If I was the other guy, I'd be like, wait, how do you know that that's true?
674
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:52,020
Right.
675
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,020
You did it.
676
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:54,020
You know the information.
677
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:57,500
And they just both go back and forth, accusing each other.
678
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:58,500
Yeah.
679
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,500
Yeah.
680
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:00,500
That makes sense.
681
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:07,620
He was convinced that Randy, Achziger, Achziger, Achziger, we still don't care.
682
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:14,540
Was a serial killer plaguing not only Puyola, but throughout other local communities as
683
00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:17,060
the Green River Killer?
684
00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:22,020
Now that name probably doesn't sound familiar to you.
685
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:27,780
Least of all, as the man convicted for the Green River Killings.
686
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:29,260
I don't know who got convicted.
687
00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:31,460
But you know, that's not the right name, right?
688
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:32,780
I mean, I would have...
689
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:35,100
I've never heard that name before.
690
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,100
Yeah.
691
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,100
But yeah, what's his name?
692
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,900
Are you going to tell me?
693
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:39,900
Do you want me to?
694
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:40,900
Yeah.
695
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,580
Gary Leon Ridgeway.
696
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:44,580
That kind of sounds familiar.
697
00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:45,580
Yeah.
698
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:47,580
Gary Ridgeway is the name that you've probably heard.
699
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:48,580
Yeah.
700
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:49,580
Quite a few times.
701
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:50,580
Yeah.
702
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:51,580
Okay.
703
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:54,780
Not bad with serial killer facts.
704
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:59,380
Like I know random ones here and there and like the names of who did what here and there
705
00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:01,380
but like not a lot.
706
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:02,380
Yeah.
707
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:06,060
I mean, by and large, I feel like there's a few names that like...
708
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:08,340
Like kind of...
709
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:10,100
Everybody knows.
710
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:18,300
And he's kind of one of them because even considering the number, just there's so many
711
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:28,780
prolific serial killers in the Pacific Northwest, this guy really, the numbers are the numbers
712
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:34,980
that we can even come close to confirming they are astounding.
713
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:37,580
Yeah.
714
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:45,540
But there's every indication that to this very day, Corey Bober believes that Randy Achziger,
715
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:53,340
Achziger, who cares-iger, is the Green River Killer and that Misty was likely one of his
716
00:34:53,340 --> 00:35:00,100
victims, all based on his extensive research of serial killers.
717
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,940
Okay.
718
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:08,220
This is despite the lack of evidence to back it up and the fact that another man has confessed
719
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:14,660
to numerous killings attributed to the Green River Killer.
720
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:25,020
It should be noted, however, that Gary Ridgeway would have absolutely zero motivation to confess
721
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:27,060
to any additional killings.
722
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:34,780
If he killed anyone that we don't already have confirmed, we probably will never know,
723
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:38,180
unless we can back it up with DNA evidence.
724
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:40,380
Damn.
725
00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:44,140
This is particularly true of Misty Copsey's case.
726
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:51,320
If he was responsible for Misty or any yet unlinked Pierce County crimes, he may not have
727
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,300
been able to escape the death penalty.
728
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:59,460
Once his plea deal was with King County.
729
00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:06,260
If Misty was in fact killed by either of these men, we will likely never know, as my research
730
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:16,020
indicates that Achziger, Achziger, who gives a fuck-iger, died in May of 2021.
731
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:17,020
Wow.
732
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:19,980
And like I said, Gary ain't talking.
733
00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:27,340
Oh, it was like Gary, Gary Ridgeway, the actual Green River Killer.
734
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:28,340
Yeah.
735
00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:29,340
Wow.
736
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:30,340
He's still alive.
737
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:31,340
Yes.
738
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:32,340
Wow.
739
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:33,340
Where is he stationed?
740
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:34,340
Where is he held?
741
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:37,860
I didn't mean to say stationed.
742
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:42,180
The Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla.
743
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:43,180
Wow.
744
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:44,780
So like not that far.
745
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:45,780
Nope.
746
00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:49,740
I mean, how many of these guys have we talked about in some of them are still alive?
747
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:53,860
I mean, you talk about like the I-5 killer.
748
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:57,740
Randy, another Randy, what's his butt?
749
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:58,740
He's down in Salem.
750
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:00,460
That's not that far.
751
00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:01,460
Yeah.
752
00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:02,460
No.
753
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:03,460
Depending on traffic.
754
00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:05,460
On the five, of course.
755
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:06,460
Yeah.
756
00:37:06,460 --> 00:37:08,100
Yeah, it's kind of alarming.
757
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,940
And they kind of, I mean really, really, really alarming.
758
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:17,540
Ooh, that reminds me of that thing you pointed out about the hitchhikers by the prison.
759
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:18,540
That was you, right?
760
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:19,540
Okay.
761
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:20,540
Yeah, that creeped me out.
762
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:21,540
I was like, I never knew.
763
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:24,140
You have to start that.
764
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:26,340
You have to tell the people.
765
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,540
Yeah, tell that story from the top.
766
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:31,540
Okay.
767
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:35,180
So we were driving along the highway where Caitlin was driving.
768
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:38,420
And all of a sudden she was like, oh, is that a prison?
769
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:40,380
Because I just saw no hitchhiking signs.
770
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:41,740
And I was like, what?
771
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:45,860
And you were like, yeah, they put those around prisons.
772
00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:47,860
And I was like, why?
773
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:55,100
I looked over and I was like, that's definitely a correctional institute of signboard refashion.
774
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:57,500
The sign didn't just say like no hitchhikers.
775
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:59,820
Like it said, like do not pick up hitchhikers.
776
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:01,580
Like it was like very...
777
00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:07,940
No, it was, it was, it was eloquent in its brevity.
778
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:14,940
But it indicated, yeah, you shouldn't pick up hitchhikers.
779
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:19,700
Because they maybe recently released criminals.
780
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:23,860
And hopefully we let them out for a good reason.
781
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:26,420
But just in case we didn't.
782
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:33,740
And they're looking to immediately become a recidivism statistic.
783
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:36,020
Yeah, maybe don't.
784
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:38,220
I was thinking to like, what if they escaped?
785
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:43,460
Like, and they would just like immediately try to like hitchhike to get out of there.
786
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:44,460
Yeah.
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00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:49,460
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Yeild is crime.
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In 1996, as what would have been Misty's 18th birthday approached, stories began circulating
802
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in the media that any day now she would likely be contacting her family.
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Her father and the Piala police, who would remain convinced, at least publicly, that Misty
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was a runaway, weighted with baited breath for a call that would never come.
805
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Is this after they found her clothes?
806
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Yes.
807
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And this is Deli.
808
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Years later.
809
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Are saying that she's going to...
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Then by 1997, Corey was battling the legal system in connection with charges related
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to marijuana, not his first rodeo.
812
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He struck gold, however, when he included the pants that Misty had been wearing along with
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their forensic analysis in his discovery, because you know he represented himself in that
814
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case.
815
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Oh.
816
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I mean, he's just up against marijuana churches.
817
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Right.
818
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You know.
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But he was able to claim he'd assisted police as a civilian investigator.
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He discovered that the analysis revealed hairs were discovered along with three red paint
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chips.
822
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Wow.
823
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It's more than we knew before that.
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Though he believed another man to be guilty of at least some of the crimes now associated
825
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with Ridgeway, he was able to badger law enforcement into testing the red paint chips.
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Unfortunately, the results came back inconclusive.
827
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What are they testing for?
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They were trying to match it to something.
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Okay.
830
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The samples were lost thereafter.
831
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Of course they were.
832
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Yep.
833
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Yep.
834
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Yep.
835
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That's going to be kind of hard if you don't have to match it too.
836
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They had a couple of good options and things to try to match to.
837
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But had past tense.
838
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Jesus.
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Diana had misty declared dead in 2000.
840
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That's a lot of years later.
841
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Yeah.
842
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Eight years later.
843
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And Corey Bober was able to convince a local church to host the funeral for free.
844
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Oh, local flower shops to donate flowers.
845
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He also compelled enough media attention to make it a rather large event.
846
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Okay.
847
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Well, I mean, he kind of redeemed himself a tiny bit.
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By the mid 2000s, Diana had hired a PI.
849
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Unfortunately, he wasn't able to turn up anything new in the case.
850
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However, he did urge and eventually convinced her to cut Corey Bober off completely.
851
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Oh, wow.
852
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Even after all he did for the funeral.
853
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Yeah.
854
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I mean, I feel like I was trying to like, try to like get on their good side.
855
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Yes.
856
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And there was a brief time where she was convinced by law enforcement to file a restraining order
857
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against Corey.
858
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Wow.
859
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And my understanding is that like, current day, they have not remained in close touch.
860
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But they do have quite a history.
861
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Wow.
862
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Yeah, I would imagine someone like that would just be like, theory intense in your life.
863
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Yeah.
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I keep just like using that word to describe him, but I feel like he has a very intense energy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if I showed you some of the tweets and the Facebook posts and, wow, there's a lot
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of stuff that's no longer viewable online.
868
00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:57,220
Wow.
869
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:59,260
But yeah, there's a very intense energy.
870
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But I think by and large, I think I'm tempted to believe that he meant well.
871
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Yeah.
872
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Some people just get very, very deep into what they believe in and they can't see anything
873
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else.
874
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Yeah.
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I think what illustrates that for me is the fact that he was very much unwilling to give
876
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up his theory about the green river killer.
877
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Yeah.
878
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I mean, you put so much time and effort into that one theory.
879
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You put your eggs in that basket and it's hard to let that go.
880
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Yeah.
881
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Yeah, especially if you're a man.
882
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:42,220
Yeah.
883
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Yeah.
884
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Yeah, you're not used to being wrong.
885
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Yeah.
886
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Hair samples found with Missy's jeans were tested in 2013, but no match could be found.
887
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In recent years, Puyallup police have asked for anyone with pictures from the day that Misty
888
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Copsey went missing after leaving the fair.
889
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That was September 17, 1992 to come forward.
890
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Now it wasn't until I was thoroughly engrossed in riding up this second part that I realized
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I kind of lied in part one.
892
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You liar.
893
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But I'm okay with it.
894
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And here's why.
895
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Misty's first off, sometimes I lie, but it's always all accident.
896
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Very little source material mentions the fact that both Misty Copsey and Anna Chebetnoy
897
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,860
Noy, were members of local tribal communities.
898
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Misty the Cowlitz Indian tribe and Anna, the Puyallup Indian tribe dating back to the
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beginning of May 2023, there were at least 142 unsolved cases with Native American victims
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in the state of Washington according to the state patrol.
901
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Here it was riding up part one, previously thinking all the while.
902
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This won't be a story about the native or indigenous population in the area.
903
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Well, it turns out there's a good, but maybe also scratch.
904
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It's a horrible reason.
905
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For that we need to turn to a woman named Debbie Hassler.
906
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She's both the founder and manager of the Cowlitz tribal pathways to healing program, which
907
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strives to provide numerous forms of victim services and advocacy for the Cowlitz tribal members.
908
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The Pathways program works with people who have suffered sexual assault, domestic violence,
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as well as other types of violent crime.
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In more recent years, Hasler also took it upon herself and the program to become the keeper
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of a list of missing and murdered members of the Cowlitz tribe.
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Misty Copsey was listed as white or Caucasian for years in the police records and news articles
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about her disappearance.
914
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And in photographs, Misty could be said to present that way.
915
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Certainly she doesn't appear to have dark hair or maybe some of the other defining
916
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characteristics that many of us are accustomed to in someone of a native background.
917
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But Hassler did confirm prior to Diana's death in 2020 that Misty was actually a member
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00:48:00,220 --> 00:48:02,660
of the Cowlitz tribe.
919
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So we're police unaware at the time and this just didn't get caught and corrected.
920
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Surely that seems plausible.
921
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Does this incorrect detail account for the volume of coverage that Misty's case received
922
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compared to some others?
923
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That seems probable.
924
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If law enforcement was aware of this aspect of her background, did that play a role in how
925
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dismissive they were initially in her case?
926
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Did they judge Diana more harshly for her drinking?
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Did they assume that Misty was a runaway because of her tribal connection?
928
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Whether this information was known at the onset of the case or not or how it might have
929
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worked for or against Misty and those searching for her feels almost irrelevant in any case.
930
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Because the fact is numerous mistakes were made in the course of the so-called investigation
931
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into Misty's disappearance from the very start.
932
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And likely not unrelated to that simple fact, Misty has never been found decades later.
933
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In the state of Washington, a bill was passed in March of 2022 that tasks the Washington
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State Patrol with providing alerts regarding missing indigenous people, just as would be
935
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done in the case of missing child or medically vulnerable adults.
936
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I think that we're all most likely fairly familiar with how amber alerts work.
937
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So information about missing individual is sent to law enforcement and news agencies, as
938
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well as posted on social media and electronic highway signs.
939
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It's pretty slick, right?
940
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Yeah.
941
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And that makes determining the race and ethnicity of missing people pretty important.
942
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Which you might think would already be the case, but it's really crucial in order for the
943
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new alert system to work as intended.
944
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On September 17th, 2017, the Puyallup Police Department got creative attempting to keep
945
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Misty's unsolved case alive.
946
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:34,420
Oh, wow.
947
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The department's official account became sending out a series of tweets in the voice of Misty
948
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Copsey.
949
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:42,820
Oh, God.
950
00:50:42,820 --> 00:50:49,260
They shared details of the case, but also some slightly more sentimental content, like photos
951
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of her as a very young child.
952
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Their hope was that on the 25th anniversary of her disappearance, perhaps someone with
953
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information might come forward to help solve the aging case.
954
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:06,260
It's a pretty touching campaign, actually.
955
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Oh, but sadly, it doesn't appear to have had the desired result despite the renewed
956
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effort.
957
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:19,420
That's pretty much where Misty's case ends officially.
958
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A few things I wanted to add came up in my research.
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There was a deeply unsettling incident that occurred in 1993 near the Puyallup Fairgrounds
960
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just months after Misty's disappearance.
961
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It's often discussed in connection with Misty's case.
962
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:45,020
Could the perpetrator be the same in both cases?
963
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:48,900
It's hard to say, but here's the story.
964
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A man in a red Camaro starts cat calling an otherwise harassing a 15-year-old girl at
965
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roughly 2 a.m. just blocks from where Misty would have been abducted or otherwise disappeared.
966
00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:10,700
That man was Robert Leslie Hickey, and he would eventually force the young girl into
967
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:12,940
his car.
968
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He would drive to his secluded area before ultimately raping her.
969
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Fortunately, despite his best attempts, this victim would survive a fall down a steep ravine.
970
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:34,260
It was just five short years after this horrific crime that he would be a free man again.
971
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After attempted murder.
972
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:41,240
I mean, I think the argument was that, oh, she might have just slipped and fell down the
973
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hill.
974
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,240
Oh, yeah.
975
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,240
You know, all he did was rape her, you guys.
976
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,240
He slipped and fell into her vagina.
977
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,240
Yeah, it's fine.
978
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:56,340
There's also reportedly a 1993 tip that was never investigated.
979
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A man with a proven track record of violent sexual assault involving young girls and young
980
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women.
981
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:09,500
He drove a yellow Chrysler Cordova.
982
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:14,340
There was at least one report of Misty having been spotted in this man's vehicle.
983
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:15,740
Oh, really?
984
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:17,740
That seems helpful.
985
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:18,740
Yeah.
986
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:24,740
To my knowledge, the identity of this potential suspect has never been revealed.
987
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:29,900
That makes me highly uncomfortable.
988
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:36,020
There's also someone we talked about in part one that seems worth revisiting.
989
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:38,300
Ruben Schmidt.
990
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:40,700
He was a friend of Misty's.
991
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:49,860
A significantly older friend of Misty's as a very young teenager.
992
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:53,860
And he was already 18.
993
00:53:53,860 --> 00:53:57,620
He was arrested for theft in 2000.
994
00:53:57,620 --> 00:54:06,140
Then in 2006, his wife obtained a domestic violence protection order against him.
995
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:14,580
There's also a piece I found dating back to December 2015 on a UK-based daily news website,
996
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:20,620
published by an anonymous author and alleged relative of Ruben.
997
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:29,100
Oh, they claimed that Ruben and his uncles were responsible for Misty's disappearance.
998
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:37,100
And asserting that they may have been behind the wheel of the previously mentioned yellow Chrysler
999
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:38,100
Cordova.
1000
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,100
Wow.
1001
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:42,300
But they never followed up on this.
1002
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:53,180
I mean, this is all published to an international news website, news.
1003
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:55,220
But yeah, it's hard to say.
1004
00:54:55,220 --> 00:55:01,540
They've never released the identity of whoever that potential suspect was.
1005
00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:03,620
Damn.
1006
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:06,300
There's also the story dating back to.
1007
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:08,140
But okay, no, this is real.
1008
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:09,140
Okay.
1009
00:55:09,140 --> 00:55:12,900
I was like, did I start reading the same part again?
1010
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:16,940
There's also the story dating back to many years prior.
1011
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:23,740
At the time, Ruben was working sporadically at a local establishment called Adam's Ribs.
1012
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:24,740
Oh, okay.
1013
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:25,740
Yum.
1014
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:26,740
Yeah.
1015
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:27,740
Delish.
1016
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:34,180
The owner, Frank Rodriguez, spoke to Lawn Forrestment and revealed that he was aware of suspicious
1017
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:42,860
statements that Ruben had made regarding Misty and the circumstances surrounding her.
1018
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:44,860
Mysteries disappear.
1019
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:45,860
Okay.
1020
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:46,860
I'm not going to like this.
1021
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,700
I can tell about your face.
1022
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:49,700
I hate it.
1023
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:50,700
I hate it.
1024
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,700
That's why I started to stumble over my words.
1025
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:56,060
Oh, I hate it.
1026
00:55:56,060 --> 00:56:05,780
He alluded to knowing the location of Misty's remains and that the investigators were off
1027
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:08,260
by about 6.5 miles.
1028
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:09,740
6.5 miles.
1029
00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:11,580
Okay.
1030
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:12,900
What a statement.
1031
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:18,900
Somehow, he's always seemed of little interest to Lawn Forrestment.
1032
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:27,060
Despite stories paraded by more than one acquaintance, indicating that either he and or other male family
1033
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:35,300
members of his may have had something to do with Misty's 1992 disappearance.
1034
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:40,940
You should know that where they found the clothing is.
1035
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:47,900
The location of that and the family farm that he reportedly was the day after her disappearance.
1036
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:49,980
Oh, the proximity.
1037
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:53,020
Is it 6.5 miles?
1038
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:56,820
Listen, it's very suspect.
1039
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:59,140
It's, I don't like it.
1040
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:00,420
I don't like it at all.
1041
00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:09,340
I don't know that we've mentioned anyone that anybody could for sure say like, yes, this
1042
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:11,340
person.
1043
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:17,860
Obviously, if anybody could say yes for sure this person, they'd probably be in prison.
1044
00:57:17,860 --> 00:57:22,180
Which I guess actually Mr. Ridgeway is.
1045
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,180
Yeah.
1046
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:26,820
Like, did they dump her clothes there?
1047
00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:27,820
Like, did they know?
1048
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:29,820
I like, how would they know that?
1049
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:31,780
I just, yeah.
1050
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:32,780
It's very odd.
1051
00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:35,060
I don't like any of it.
1052
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:37,340
Really.
1053
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:40,420
There are almost too many suspects.
1054
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:41,420
Yeah.
1055
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:44,900
Potential suspects.
1056
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:51,860
And some of the potential suspects were never really treated like they were potential suspects.
1057
00:57:51,860 --> 00:57:56,700
So it's, it's impossible to know now.
1058
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:57,700
Yeah.
1059
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:59,300
So I hate that.
1060
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,620
Unless they find her.
1061
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:10,780
This many years later, I just, I wonder if that's possible.
1062
00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:15,940
How long until like bones are gone, you know?
1063
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:18,860
I mean, they would find bones at this point.
1064
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:19,860
Yeah.
1065
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:28,500
But they've, they've used like some of the technology that's supposed to like penetrate
1066
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:29,500
the ground.
1067
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:34,980
They did years and years and years back.
1068
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:47,980
And I just wonder, you know, maybe I feel like if we are using ground penetrating rate
1069
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:48,980
of heart.
1070
00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:49,980
Yeah.
1071
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:55,100
That's the victim that's in a body of water.
1072
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:56,100
You know?
1073
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,100
Yeah.
1074
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,100
God.
1075
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,100
I really hate it.
1076
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:03,300
And water is so fucking hard to like search into.
1077
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:04,300
I've heard.
1078
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,460
I mean, I don't have experience, but yeah.
1079
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:12,500
But I think logistically, like, I mean, you can understand why that would be very challenging.
1080
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,540
I don't think you have to have sort of body.
1081
00:59:16,540 --> 00:59:19,260
I feel like you're qualified to speak on that.
1082
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:25,220
You've injured a body of water and yeah, did you ever like take swimming lessons where
1083
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:32,100
they would like throw stuff and you would have to go find it in the bottom of the pool?
1084
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,300
I don't know that I ever took like formal swimming lessons.
1085
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,540
Or did you like do that in the pool within like a friend's?
1086
00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:38,540
Oh, yeah.
1087
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:39,540
And they took that in the pool.
1088
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:44,380
But it's still like even like just doing that and you can see through to the bottom and
1089
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:45,780
it's usually like a colorful thing.
1090
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:46,780
It's very challenging.
1091
00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:48,460
It's kind of hard to find.
1092
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:50,460
It like moves around.
1093
00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:51,460
Yeah.
1094
00:59:51,460 --> 00:59:52,460
It is.
1095
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:53,460
It's challenging.
1096
00:59:53,460 --> 00:59:57,220
So I can't even imagine like a natural body of water.
1097
00:59:57,220 --> 00:59:58,220
Yeah.
1098
00:59:58,220 --> 00:59:59,220
No.
1099
00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:00,220
The fuck.
1100
01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:07,020
I'm going to flash to May 2001 in nearby Lakewood.
1101
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:12,460
At roughly 10 p.m., a young woman is walking home from church.
1102
01:00:12,460 --> 01:00:17,220
When a man driving by offers her a ride.
1103
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:20,380
Though she declines, the man pulls over.
1104
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:22,660
Guess what?
1105
01:00:22,660 --> 01:00:25,340
It's Robert Leslie Hickey.
1106
01:00:25,340 --> 01:00:26,340
Oh.
1107
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:31,460
Is he the guy in the yellow thing?
1108
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:32,860
Or is that a different guy?
1109
01:00:32,860 --> 01:00:34,300
That might be a different guy.
1110
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:35,300
Oh.
1111
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,900
This is the guy that we just were talking about.
1112
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:38,900
I'm sorry.
1113
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:39,900
No, it's okay.
1114
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:40,900
There's so many.
1115
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:41,900
There's a lot of.
1116
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:42,900
Yeah.
1117
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:45,660
There's so many men out there killing women.
1118
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:47,740
Is he the one with the farm that's close?
1119
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:49,020
Or is that a different guy?
1120
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:50,020
The one?
1121
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:52,180
You said you had a farm close by the...
1122
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:53,700
No, that's Ruben.
1123
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:54,700
Oh, God.
1124
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:55,700
Who is this guy?
1125
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:56,700
Oh, my God.
1126
01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:57,700
No one knew.
1127
01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:58,700
Can you do this?
1128
01:00:58,700 --> 01:00:59,700
No, we talked about him.
1129
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:00,700
Okay.
1130
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:05,700
So, remember, he was a man and a red Camaro.
1131
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:06,700
The red Camaro.
1132
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:15,300
He started calling a young girl, forced her into his car, raped her through her down a ravine,
1133
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:16,300
and he got five years.
1134
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:17,300
Yeah.
1135
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:18,300
Okay.
1136
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,660
So, it was him trying to pick up this girl, leaving church.
1137
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:22,660
Yep.
1138
01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:23,660
Yep.
1139
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:26,340
He's a Robert Leslie Hickey.
1140
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:32,340
And when he approaches her, she tries to both quickly and discreetly move away from him
1141
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:36,580
by crossing the street as she dials 911.
1142
01:01:36,580 --> 01:01:37,580
Wow.
1143
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:40,540
He continued to approach her.
1144
01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:49,140
He sends her falling down the roadside embankment as he both gropes and threatens her before realizing
1145
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,380
she has already called for help.
1146
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:53,340
Good.
1147
01:01:53,340 --> 01:02:00,060
Because this was his second offense, when Hickey is convicted for attempted second degree
1148
01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:05,580
rape, he receives life with no possibility of parole.
1149
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:06,580
That's good.
1150
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:13,780
Ligit the only time I've ever heard of a sex crime being taken even remotely this seriously.
1151
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:14,780
Wow.
1152
01:02:14,780 --> 01:02:15,780
I was shocked.
1153
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:16,780
I was shooketh.
1154
01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:17,780
Did...
1155
01:02:17,780 --> 01:02:20,420
I mean, I guess I don't really want to ask that question.
1156
01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:24,420
I'm like, did he actually hurt her bad?
1157
01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:30,420
I mean, he definitely hurt her, but it sounds like as...
1158
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:32,100
I think I know what you're trying to get at.
1159
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,100
Did he hurt her the most?
1160
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,100
Did he hurt her the most?
1161
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:35,100
Did he hurt her the most?
1162
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:36,100
Did he hurt her the most?
1163
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:37,100
Did he hurt her the most?
1164
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:41,900
I mean, he certainly assaulted her in a sexual way.
1165
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:42,900
Yeah.
1166
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:49,260
But he looked down and saw her phone and the call had already connected.
1167
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:51,740
And he was like, "Oh, fuck, I can't risk this."
1168
01:02:51,740 --> 01:02:53,220
Well, too late.
1169
01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:54,820
Too fucking late.
1170
01:02:54,820 --> 01:02:55,820
Yeah.
1171
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:58,380
They already got your number, bro.
1172
01:02:58,380 --> 01:03:03,220
I mean, fucking letting him out five years later and then this happened.
1173
01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:04,220
Like...
1174
01:03:04,220 --> 01:03:07,100
I'm glad it wasn't worse.
1175
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,100
Like, I hate that it had to happen to somebody, but...
1176
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:11,100
Oh my God.
1177
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,700
It could have been so much worse and it could have kept going.
1178
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,900
I mean, and it could have been worse than in different case.
1179
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:24,900
Speculation about whether he might have been responsible for Misty's disappearance
1180
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:32,700
or that of the other two Puyallup girls has loomed large in hindsight.
1181
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:38,820
One of his crimes was commit just blocks from where Misty disappeared.
1182
01:03:38,820 --> 01:03:44,500
Could the red chips found near her pants have been from his red chameuro?
1183
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:52,980
Aside from the location, the time period also matches that, but he has denied any involvement.
1184
01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:58,340
As a result of his aforementioned crime, he is now serving a life sentence without the
1185
01:03:58,340 --> 01:04:00,100
possibility of parole.
1186
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,300
It just feels good to say it again.
1187
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:03,300
Yeah.
1188
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:04,300
Just feels good, you know?
1189
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:05,300
Thank goodness.
1190
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:12,020
Did they try to match the paint chips to his car or was that gone by then?
1191
01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:15,540
Yeah, I don't know.
1192
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:17,380
They're gone now.
1193
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:18,380
That's right.
1194
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:19,380
They are gone now.
1195
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:20,380
They are gone now.
1196
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:23,820
I don't know that they ever tried to make any sort of match to his vehicle.
1197
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:28,460
I was thinking that when you, as soon as you said it, there was someone with a red car and
1198
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:31,660
I was like, "The red paint chips, the red paint chips."
1199
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:32,660
Yeah.
1200
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:35,820
We're going to go do tarot, but first we're going to go do the pee.
1201
01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:36,820
Yeah, we're going to pee.
1202
01:04:36,820 --> 01:04:37,820
We're going to go pee.
1203
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:38,820
Okay.
1204
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:39,820
Bye.
1205
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:46,820
Okay.
1206
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:50,820
Okay.
1207
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:56,220
It's the four of pentacles and reverse.
1208
01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:57,220
Okay.
1209
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:59,220
Is this a woodpecker?
1210
01:04:59,220 --> 01:05:00,820
That's a really good question.
1211
01:05:00,820 --> 01:05:02,220
I'm going to pass you a little book.
1212
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:07,900
It looks like he's pecking seeds or something like out of a tree.
1213
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:20,100
In some words, security, materialism, caution, possessiveness, greed and creative blocks.
1214
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:26,100
In some tarot decks, the four of pentacles features a man with four pentagrams attached to
1215
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:27,860
his body.
1216
01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:33,700
The image suggests his money and possessions define him.
1217
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:40,500
There's symbolized ability, therefore this card signifies financial security or seeking
1218
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,380
it.
1219
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:46,380
We did pull that in the reverse.
1220
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:53,260
When the four of pentacles appears reversed, it suggests your conservative attitude and
1221
01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:59,220
limited vision are causes of stagnation.
1222
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:02,340
Seeing investigation.
1223
01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:07,420
As a result, you encounter obstacles and delays that keep you from moving ahead.
1224
01:06:07,420 --> 01:06:10,220
Sounds about right.
1225
01:06:10,220 --> 01:06:13,460
Yep.
1226
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:19,860
You need to make changes to stop clinging to old ideas and tried and true methods, but you're
1227
01:06:19,860 --> 01:06:21,660
afraid to take a risk.
1228
01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:22,660
Why?
1229
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:25,060
Do you think you might help some people if you did?
1230
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:26,060
No, I don't.
1231
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:28,260
Sorry to say.
1232
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:34,220
When a reading about money, this card recommends against an investment or financial venture at
1233
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:36,260
this time.
1234
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:43,700
Sometimes it indicates imprudent spending or bad decisions regarding money or property.
1235
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:48,100
Like losing things, certain important things perhaps.
1236
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,780
Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
1237
01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:52,740
I hadn't thought about that actually.
1238
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:57,180
Well, when she said I didn't either until you said like property and a property.
1239
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:59,380
Yeah.
1240
01:06:59,380 --> 01:07:06,140
If the reading is about your job, the reversed four can mean you feel insecure in your position.
1241
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:11,020
Outsourcing, cutbacks or competition may threaten your job.
1242
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:13,060
Interesting.
1243
01:07:13,060 --> 01:07:19,220
You may be passed over for promotion or failed because your skills are outdated or inadequate.
1244
01:07:19,220 --> 01:07:21,220
Oh, interesting.
1245
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:24,980
Say in a mouthful right there.
1246
01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:31,500
When a reading about love, you may fear losing control in a relationship because you sense
1247
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:35,180
your power dwindling, you feel insecure.
1248
01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:40,820
Perhaps you depend on your partner for financial support and feel trapped in the relationship.
1249
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:44,020
Well, so what I'm hearing is insecure man.
1250
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,020
Yeah.
1251
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:46,020
From this.
1252
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:47,020
Yeah.
1253
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:48,020
Yeah.
1254
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,020
Yeah.
1255
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:55,980
Yeah, but never it's never, it's never a good thing to have an insecure man about.
1256
01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:58,460
It is not.
1257
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:01,900
Okay, there is an extra excerpt.
1258
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:08,580
It says, you've heard the saying money is the root of all evil, but the actual quote is
1259
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:14,620
love of money greed is the root of all kinds of evil.
1260
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:18,380
In some terro decks, this card is labeled greed.
1261
01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:24,980
The thought, terro, however, calls it power and gives a more positive interpretation, a
1262
01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:30,420
solid foundation on which you can create something sound.
1263
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:32,420
Wow.
1264
01:08:32,420 --> 01:08:33,420
Interesting.
1265
01:08:33,420 --> 01:08:36,460
It's like greed, greed and power.
1266
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:39,100
Yeah.
1267
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:47,100
Did we figure out if this was you asked about the imagery on the card if it was a, it's
1268
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:49,700
an acorn woodpecker.
1269
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:50,700
It is a woodpecker.
1270
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:53,460
Which I've never heard of an acorn woodpecker before.
1271
01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:54,460
That's interesting.
1272
01:08:54,460 --> 01:09:00,180
You got to figure there's multiple breeds and yeah, and I are these acorns that he's
1273
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:01,180
pecking out of a tree.
1274
01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:02,180
I don't understand.
1275
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:03,180
I mean, they would be.
1276
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:04,180
Yeah.
1277
01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:06,020
In tree bark.
1278
01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:08,660
I would think like not stereotypically.
1279
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:10,180
It's interesting.
1280
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:12,700
I'm just like we need to do more research.
1281
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:16,420
I need to learn about the nature of these woodpeckers.
1282
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:17,420
Okay.
1283
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:23,500
Basically, you know, insecurity, blah, blah, blah, all the things possessiveness.
1284
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:24,500
Yeah.
1285
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:26,740
I'll read the story.
1286
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:28,220
What's a granary tree?
1287
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:29,220
Granary?
1288
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:30,220
Granary?
1289
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:31,220
Granary?
1290
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:33,900
The granary tree was beautiful.
1291
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:35,420
That must be what kind of tree that is.
1292
01:09:35,420 --> 01:09:36,900
We'll have to look that up.
1293
01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:37,900
Yeah.
1294
01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:39,900
That's interesting.
1295
01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:47,500
A thousand and one acorns all perfectly placed in perfectly sized alcoves.
1296
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:48,980
That's hard to say.
1297
01:09:48,980 --> 01:09:49,980
Oh.
1298
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:50,980
Okay.
1299
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:55,180
So do they pack the hole and then put the acorn in it?
1300
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:56,180
Maybe.
1301
01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:58,180
How's granary spholt?
1302
01:09:58,180 --> 01:10:00,180
G-R-A-N-A-R-Y.
1303
01:10:00,180 --> 01:10:01,180
Okay.
1304
01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:03,380
That's what I thought.
1305
01:10:03,380 --> 01:10:10,780
So this says, like, the number one search result is storing food, or storing food, the
1306
01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:14,580
granaries of acorn woodpeckers.
1307
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:15,580
Interesting.
1308
01:10:15,580 --> 01:10:19,820
It's interesting because it's like they're hiding things.
1309
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:20,820
Mm-hmm.
1310
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:23,820
So that's kind of...
1311
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:25,220
I don't know.
1312
01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:26,460
Oh my gosh.
1313
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:27,460
Okay.
1314
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:32,940
So they hoard thousands of acorns in these trees, apparently.
1315
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:35,340
A thousand and one.
1316
01:10:35,340 --> 01:10:39,260
Oh, this is so bizarre looking.
1317
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:42,020
You're going to have to look at this after we're done.
1318
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:43,020
I...
1319
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:44,580
Maybe I'll send you a picture right now.
1320
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:45,580
Okay.
1321
01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:46,580
This is so bizarre.
1322
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:48,860
I've never seen anything like this.
1323
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:49,860
Yeah.
1324
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:50,860
That's what the...
1325
01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:52,740
It's what the picture looks like.
1326
01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:53,740
Yeah.
1327
01:10:53,740 --> 01:10:55,460
That's why it's like so weirded out.
1328
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:59,420
It looks like, you know, when people have the whole ofobia...
1329
01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:00,420
Tripephobia.
1330
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:01,420
Oh.
1331
01:11:01,420 --> 01:11:04,540
That's what that reminds me of.
1332
01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:08,820
Just a lot of holes with seeds stuck inside.
1333
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:12,740
So yeah, that's super interesting that they're like hiding and like burying and...
1334
01:11:12,740 --> 01:11:13,740
Yeah.
1335
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:14,740
Yeah.
1336
01:11:14,740 --> 01:11:15,740
Yeah.
1337
01:11:15,740 --> 01:11:16,740
That is.
1338
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:17,740
Wow.
1339
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:18,740
Gosh.
1340
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:24,940
Also, like, how weird is it that they're saying a thousand and one, and we talked about it being
1341
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:27,180
two years and one month?
1342
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:28,180
It was just like...
1343
01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:29,180
Yeah.
1344
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:30,180
Something so random.
1345
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:31,180
Yeah.
1346
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:32,180
Yeah.
1347
01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:35,180
It's just weird that it's saying that here.
1348
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:36,180
Oh.
1349
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:37,180
Very strange.
1350
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:39,180
Okay, I'm going to finish it.
1351
01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:40,180
Okay.
1352
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:41,180
Okay.
1353
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:43,500
So all the acorns are in little holes.
1354
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:47,060
At sunset, they shown like drops of gold.
1355
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:54,260
At night, the woodpecker dreamed of the pattern of their inlay, recalling clearly the placement
1356
01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:56,260
of everyone.
1357
01:11:56,260 --> 01:11:57,260
Oh.
1358
01:11:57,260 --> 01:12:00,100
Oh, I don't want.
1359
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:10,340
But he awoke, feeling uneasy, and as he surveyed his collection, his suspicions were confirmed.
1360
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:17,860
An empty space, a missing knot in the lattice that wrapped the oak.
1361
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:20,100
I like literally have all of the shells.
1362
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,100
A missing knot?
1363
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:23,100
Yeah.
1364
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,100
Oh.
1365
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:27,380
Like, one of the acorns is gone.
1366
01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:28,380
Yeah.
1367
01:12:28,380 --> 01:12:29,380
Stolen.
1368
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:30,380
It's taken.
1369
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:32,380
He doesn't know what happened to it.
1370
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:33,380
Oh.
1371
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:34,380
Okay.
1372
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:35,380
It's not over.
1373
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:36,380
Okay.
1374
01:12:36,380 --> 01:12:37,380
This would not do.
1375
01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:41,100
The imperfection stuck in his mind like a splinter of dry bark.
1376
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:48,380
What if winter stretch longer than usual, and he needed one more acorn to last until the
1377
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:49,380
thaw?
1378
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:55,660
A thousand and one acorns just weren't enough to truly be secure.
1379
01:12:55,660 --> 01:13:03,980
How he thought flying off to scrounge another a thousand and two sounds much better.
1380
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:07,740
It's just like super crazy.
1381
01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:12,420
It's like bearing things and things are missing.
1382
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:13,420
Oh.
1383
01:13:13,420 --> 01:13:14,420
Yeah.
1384
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:15,420
Weird.
1385
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:16,420
Oh.
1386
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:22,620
So he's got to get two more acorns.
1387
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:24,100
I don't like the way I just said that.
1388
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:25,100
Anyway.
1389
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:26,100
Well, what do you guys think?
1390
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:37,100
Let us know as always if you'll because there's stuff we guys are stuff that we miss in the
1391
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,220
tarot and no one ever comes out and tells us.
1392
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:41,220
That's not true.
1393
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:42,220
Sometimes people.
1394
01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:43,220
Yeah.
1395
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:47,220
I know we were like, okay, everybody tell us.
1396
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:49,580
Sometimes some people tell us.
1397
01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:55,540
I'm just like, shit, how did I not see that?
1398
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:56,540
Yeah.
1399
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:57,540
So if you see something, let us know.
1400
01:13:57,540 --> 01:14:03,860
But you're like, you are just honestly absorbing everything that we produce in terms of
1401
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:04,860
content.
1402
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:12,300
Like sometimes just, you know, just so many times because of the editing process.
1403
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:13,300
Yeah.
1404
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:14,300
Yeah.
1405
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:15,300
And you know what?
1406
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:16,300
A thousand times.
1407
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:17,300
Exactly.
1408
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:18,300
A thousand and one.
1409
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:19,300
And one or two.
1410
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:20,300
Or just.
1411
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:21,300
Yeah.
1412
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:25,740
I think probably you deserve to relax a little bit.
1413
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:27,140
I think you do too.
1414
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:28,140
Yeah.
1415
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:29,140
Should we?
1416
01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:34,420
Should we summon a thousand and two shots?
1417
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:35,660
I think we should.
1418
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:38,900
I think we should celebrate this space.
1419
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:41,420
And we should get someone to bring us a shot.
1420
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:42,420
Like who would we be?
1421
01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:43,420
Who could do that?
1422
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:45,420
Have a creepy ass day.
1423
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:47,860
Soon as it takes two days.
1424
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:50,580
Unless this beat hits a little harder than we thought.
1425
01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:51,580
Yeah.
1426
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:52,580
You know.
1427
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:58,380
Oh, yeah, that went up the back of my nose.
1428
01:14:58,380 --> 01:14:59,380
Oh, yeah.
1429
01:14:59,380 --> 01:15:03,380
It burns so good.
1430
01:15:03,380 --> 01:15:09,220
Your girl isn't taking shots even on the weekends anymore.
1431
01:15:09,220 --> 01:15:11,420
Too old for this shit.
1432
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:14,180
You're never too old to.
1433
01:15:14,180 --> 01:15:18,180
Yeah.
1434
01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:19,500
That's exactly what that is.
1435
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:21,020
That's exactly what that is.
1436
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:23,620
Okay, next time it should be Jello shots.
1437
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:24,620
I agree.
1438
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:25,620
Yeah.
1439
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:26,620
Some a little lighter next time.
1440
01:15:26,620 --> 01:15:27,620
Okay.
1441
01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:28,620
I'm getting on.
1442
01:15:28,620 --> 01:15:30,420
I'm going to instacart this Jello right now.
1443
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:31,420
Okay.
1444
01:15:31,420 --> 01:15:32,700
Because we're so old we need to eat Jello.
1445
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:33,700
I love Jello.
1446
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:34,700
Okay.
1447
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:36,700
That's what makes shots bearable.
1448
01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:37,700
Okay.
1449
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:41,900
I've done Jello shots with my grandma and she loved them.
1450
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:43,740
She didn't know there was alcohol in them.
1451
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:44,740
It's so cute.
1452
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:45,740
It's so cute.
1453
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:54,940
That was rude.
1454
01:15:54,940 --> 01:15:55,940
What?
1455
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:56,940
This cord was.
1456
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:57,940
Oh, it's okay.
1457
01:15:57,940 --> 01:15:58,940
It's on the blue cord.
1458
01:15:58,940 --> 01:16:06,100
This cord is on top of the blue cord and you're kicking the blue cord.
1459
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:08,860
So it's moving this cord and I thought it was a ghost.
1460
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:12,300
Oh, well, you know what?
1461
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:16,620
You didn't, you weren't in love with the lamp but like what?
1462
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:17,620
Like that?
1463
01:16:17,620 --> 01:16:21,300
That's a ghosty trap.
1464
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:24,460
Not a trap but like a detector.
1465
01:16:24,460 --> 01:16:25,460
Goasty detector.
1466
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:26,460
Goasty detector.
1467
01:16:26,460 --> 01:16:27,460
Goasty detector.
1468
01:16:27,460 --> 01:16:28,460
Got it.
1469
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:30,300
This is, we started ghost hunting.
1470
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:33,500
I've gotten Caitlin into ghost hunting and she's fucking love us.
1471
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:34,500
I guess so.
1472
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:35,500
Well, here's the thing.
1473
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:38,700
We haven't had anything spooky happen here.
1474
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:39,700
Interesting.
1475
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:43,860
Very interesting.
1476
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:47,460
Isn't just.
1477
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:52,500
Except for all of the technology shenanigans but we are blaming it on Mercury.
1478
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:53,500
Yeah.
1479
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:55,500
Because that's a thing.
1480
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:56,500
So.
1481
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:57,500
Regere grade is bitch.
1482
01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:58,500
Anyway.
1483
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,500
Um...
