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Explore the saga of the Raines family, a shockingly sinister tale about the elaborate deception that led to the downfall of their Pacific Northwest timber empire. The 1200-acre Raines Family Tree Farm was nestled just an hour west of bustling...
Explore the saga of the Raines family, a shockingly sinister tale about the elaborate deception that led to the downfall of their Pacific Northwest timber empire. The 1200-acre Raines Family Tree Farm was nestled just an hour west of bustling Portland. Ralph Raines and his son Ralph Jr. were the hardworking stewards of the land that was once home to over a million trees. The patriarch, Ralph Sr., a WWII pilot and Oregon State University graduate before his days as a timber tycoon, instilled the values of hard work and environmental sustainability in his son, Ralph Jr.
In 2004, their tranquil lives take a dark turn after Ralph Jr. encounters a psychic, Rachel Lee, during a trip to Bend, Oregon. Rachel, with a knack for cons, would insidiously infiltrate the Raines family. As Ralph Sr. succumbs to ill-health, Rachel becomes his caregiver, gaining control of the estate’s financial affairs.
The scam intensifies as Rachel conspires with her daughter, Porsha Lee, who disguises herself as an Englishwoman named Mary Marks. From there several plot lines unfold, each wilder than the last: a sham wedding, fake pregnancies, and stolen identity. All of which would play a part in the devious financial schemes and deception, as the Lee family began siphoning millions from the Raines family estate.
Discover how the Raines men were led astray by a clairvoyant con-artist as the Lees orchestrate the sale of the tree farm, pilfering the proceeds before going on to drain various accounts all while leaving an apparent trail of their financial abuse. Authorities, alerted by keen detectives, would finally expose the fraudulent scheme but only through court proceedings would the extent of the manipulation would be revealed.
Despite the devastation, Ralph Jr. remains resilient, optimistic that the clear-cut land will one day flourish again. The Raines family legacy, once marred by deception, has now become a story of resilience and hope for the future, even amidst the most devastating of wreckages.
Note: This podcast episode explores themes of fraud and manipulation as well as both financial and implied elder abuse. Listener discretion is advised.
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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,120 Her name is Rachel Lee. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:12,040 She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph 3 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:14,880 Raines Jr. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:24,080 This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman but nearly a whole famed amily that 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:39,120 participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon. 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Hi Cassie. 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Hi Caitlyn. 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Hi creepy people. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,120 Hello! 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,920 I was waiting to see if you were going to do it. 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,880 Always waving at the blank computer screen in front of me. 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,280 Yeah, yeah, as one does. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Sorry, it's not even bubbles. 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Slow down. 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Not even bubbles. 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Yeah. 17 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:07,640 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:14,880 chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things witchy in the Pacific Northwest. 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Ooh, witchy. 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Yeah, sometimes creepy. 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,880 I love creepy witchy. 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Do hikis. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Alright, yeah. 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Bye, gotta do hiki for you. 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,880 Ooh. 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,000 So she said, speaking of witchy, we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day. 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Just to make sure you stick around. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,320 If you're into that witchy creepy type of stuff. 30 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:49,720 I feel like today, if you've never listened to the terror reading before, first of all, 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,800 shame on you, but it's not too late, start making things right. 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Yeah. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Let's just say the vibe will be there. 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,080 It'll be witchy today. 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Totally. 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Bitchin. 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Witchin, bitchin, bitchin, witchin. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Witchin and bitchin. 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,800 Do we have any announcements? 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,400 You know, it's funny, you should say that because yes, yes we do. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Oh, it's like I knew beforehand. 42 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Yeah. 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:25,640 I'm not even sure that this is really so much an announcement as it is just something, 44 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,640 just a little bit of a shout out. 45 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:28,640 Ooh. 46 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:29,640 Yeah. 47 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:30,640 I like shout outs. 48 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:31,640 I do as well. 49 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:36,640 We were featured by blog.feedspot.com. 50 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,640 Us? 51 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:38,640 We were. 52 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:39,640 Ooh. 53 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:40,640 Yes. 54 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:47,680 On their list of 15 best Pacific Northwest Stories Podcasts. 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,800 So we're number two. 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,800 Ah. 57 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,800 Yeah. 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Number two is first loser. 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 And I'm just kidding. 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Just kidding. 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 That's so cool. 62 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Yeah. 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,880 So we're excited. 64 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Our good friends, what happens in the woods are also on the list. 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,560 What up? 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,560 What happens? 67 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,560 What up? 68 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,560 In the woods? 69 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,840 It didn't finish it. 70 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:18,080 We'll put it in the show notes so that you guys realize that this humble brag is not only 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,480 humble, but it's real. 72 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Yeah. 73 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:23,480 It is real. 74 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,880 We didn't make this up ourselves. 75 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,880 Yeah. 76 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Thank you, Feedspot. 77 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,040 Yes. 78 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,400 It sounds like a place I want to go eat a buffet. 79 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,400 The Feedspot. 80 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Oh no. 81 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,360 Now I'm just picturing a troll. 82 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Me too. 83 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,120 I had, well, obviously, because we were talking about feed, but I was picturing a bunch of people 84 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,120 out of trough. 85 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Just like, yeah. 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Get in it. 87 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,120 Hmm. 88 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,120 Okay. 89 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:57,360 So I actually heard about this case probably about a week before Cassie also sent it to me. 90 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,160 I was getting my nails dead. 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,840 My little titsy. 92 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:10,520 And someone that I met at this one actually recommended this and actually a couple of other 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,520 cases. 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Ooh. 95 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Yeah. 96 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:20,360 So when Cassie texted me one night and I happened to be working on my notes, that's so 97 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,360 fucking weird. 98 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,080 It's really weird. 99 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,880 It's really weird. 100 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Yeah. 101 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 I was like, that's so funny. 102 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,400 I may or may not be working on this, but also I totally am. 103 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Yeah, because I was, I watch American greed a lot to go to sleep because it's just like the 104 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:43,800 guy's voice is like kind of monotone and it's soothing. 105 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:49,840 So I, and I heard like two key words and I was like, immediately turned it off because I 106 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,840 don't want to know anything about it because I want to hear it from Caitlyn. 107 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,600 I texted her immediately. 108 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,600 Cover this. 109 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Did I even tell you like what it was about or did I say, hey, it's this thing and this 110 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,080 thing? 111 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Have you? 112 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,200 I don't know what it's about, but look into it. 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Cassie said, and I quote, this just popped on an ep of American greed and I heard Oregon 114 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,560 and tarot and I'm turning it off because I want you to cover it. 115 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,480 You might have heard of it, but I don't think I have and I want to hear it from your glorious 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,320 mouth hole. 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,240 LOL, that was awkward, but I'm not taking it back. 118 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,240 I'm funny. 119 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,440 And there were a series of emojis. 120 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,480 And do you want to know what I said in reply? 121 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,480 Yes. 122 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,480 Okay. 123 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Oh my god. 124 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Wait. 125 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Bitch. 126 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Yes. 127 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,160 I'm already covering it. 128 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,640 I haven't gotten like super into it so far. 129 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Like super into it. 130 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:07,400 But I found a court doc literally today and was like, this is definitely getting covered. 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,720 LOL, no joke. 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,120 Two day all caps. 133 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,120 No cap. 134 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,120 No cap. 135 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,920 And you said, yes. 136 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:25,600 That's my reply to a lot of things. 137 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,720 You said what? 138 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,600 That's crazy. 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,360 I don't watch the actual TV channels very often. 140 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,360 That's so weird. 141 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Oh my god. 142 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,520 I can't wait to hear it. 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,520 What time? 144 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Can I ask what time this was real quick? 145 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,520 In my town. 146 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,520 I might miss here. 147 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,000 I might be miss remembering. 148 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,080 605 pm is the last time stamp that I can see. 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Okay. 150 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Because that's what it was then. 151 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Because I usually watch it to go to sleep. 152 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,200 So I'm not actually watching it. 153 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,800 I turned it on and I was like, oh, American Greed sounds good right now. 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,880 So it was like totally random. 155 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,880 Yeah. 156 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Interesting. 157 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:10,520 And there was a bit more back and forth, but it's important to note that there is evidence 158 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:18,980 for forensic evidence that I received this hot tip from not just Cassie, but this last 159 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:20,800 text that I'll read. 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,320 My pedicure friend that I don't think I had time to tell you about last Saturday actually 161 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,560 told me about it. 162 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,920 I friended her on LinkedIn. 163 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Creep. 164 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,360 What you did tell me about her. 165 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,960 You were really excited. 166 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:43,600 I said like a weird loser weirdo lol. 167 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,880 And I don't take that back either. 168 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Right. 169 00:07:51,880 --> 00:08:00,720 The rain's family tree farm in Gaston is about an hour west from the comparative hustle 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,200 and bustle of the city of Portland. 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,920 I know where that is. 172 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Yeah. 173 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,920 It's an organ. 174 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,920 Yeah. 175 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,440 One of our keywords. 176 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,960 I know someone from Gaston. 177 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,960 You do. 178 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,960 I do. 179 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,960 Hi, Tonya. 180 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Is her last name, Raines? 181 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,960 No, it's not. 182 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:18,960 No, I'm just kidding. 183 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,960 It's not. 184 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:28,720 It's where the patriarch of the Raines family along with his son planted over a million trees. 185 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,200 That sounds good. 186 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Yeah. 187 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,200 We like trees. 188 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Yeah. 189 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,760 At least by junior's own estimation. 190 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,880 So it's kind of a round number. 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,840 Is it like that thing where you like you do something for so long? 192 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,080 You're like, oh, I planted like a million. 193 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Yeah. 194 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,680 It's a rough estimate. 195 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:59,560 It occupies land purchased in the 1950s by Ralph Jr.'s father, Ralph Sr.'s father, Waldo, 196 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:06,360 was already established in the logging industry in Washington County dating back to 1915. 197 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Wow. 198 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Where is he? 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Huh? 200 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Oh, my God. 201 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,640 I thought you forgot already where this story takes place. 202 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:22,040 And I was like, you where is Waldo? 203 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Four facts. 204 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:24,560 Sick. 205 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:25,560 Okay. 206 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:26,560 That jokes. 207 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:27,560 Oh, boy. 208 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:28,560 Yeah. 209 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:29,560 Yeah. 210 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,960 And boy, did Ralph Sr. have some stories to share from back in the day? 211 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,880 If you're a member of the Patreon, don't go digging through our sources on Pastebin. 212 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:49,480 I want you to see Cassie's face when I read her a story from one transcript in particular. 213 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Oh. 214 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Patreon bonus video. 215 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,040 Oh, yeah. 216 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Nice. 217 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:03,520 Far from your typical tycoon, Ralph Sr. was a decorated World War II pilot and graduate 218 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,640 of Oregon State University married shortly after the war was over. 219 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:17,680 The couple would go on to have a single child, a son in whom Ralph instilled not just the 220 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:25,120 monetary value of the land and the trees on their property, but also that of hard work 221 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:31,640 in maintaining the beauty of the natural environment by creating a sustainable forest 222 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:32,640 operation. 223 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Well, that sounds like really, really good. 224 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,960 I know. 225 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,960 We stand the Ralphs. 226 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,960 Yes. 227 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,960 Sr. 228 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,960 And Jr. 229 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Jr. 230 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:42,960 And Sr. 231 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,960 All of them. 232 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,960 All of them, I think. 233 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,960 I don't know. 234 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,960 I don't know. 235 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,760 I don't know that we want to be making blanket statements like that. 236 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,320 That seems ill advised, given the nature of what we do. 237 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:02,560 For most of his life, that same son, Ralph Jr. worked on the family's 1200 acre. 238 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,200 A tree farm in Gaston. 239 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,800 That's a lot of acreage. 240 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Cheers. 241 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:14,120 He too was a veteran of the Vietnam War and those that know him well would describe him 242 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,040 as both intelligent and immensely kind. 243 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,360 I know. 244 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,360 I know. 245 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,360 I know. 246 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:31,160 It seemed that both men, Ralph Jr. and Sr. remained humble and decidedly unencumbered when 247 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:38,760 it came to the material things in life, despite what would eventually become very impressive 248 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,760 wealth. 249 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Ooh. 250 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Yeah. 251 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,760 All them trees. 252 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,400 All them trees. 253 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Though as a naive and sometimes socially awkward man, they would later reflect that Ralph Jr.'s 254 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:59,880 disposition was in many ways very different from that of his hard-nosed father, Ralph Sr. 255 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Hard-nosed. 256 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:01,880 I know. 257 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,880 What is that man? 258 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,200 Vocab word of the week. 259 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Sadly, Ralph Sr.'s wife and Ralph Jr.'s mother, because that's how that works. 260 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,200 Helen died in 2001. 261 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,200 Helen. 262 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Helen. 263 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Even though she passed long before the bulk of our story takes place, you know, yet girl 264 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:31,600 did some digging and found her name because nobody fucking used it in anything. 265 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Oh, yeah. 266 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,880 There's just like, remember that bitch he married? 267 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Oh my God. 268 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Did they really? 269 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,880 Remember that broad? 270 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,880 He married. 271 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Oh, Helen. 272 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,840 You know, the woman who fed him, clothed him, both of these men. 273 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,200 Women are often undercredited. 274 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Is that what am I trying to say? 275 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Unacknowledged. 276 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,360 Unacknowledged. 277 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,880 I'm undercredited, that's everything. 278 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,600 I legit thought I might have to subscribe to ancestry. 279 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Just, you know, there for a minute to find it because it turns out there's a ton of 280 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 source material tied to what happened to Ralph. 281 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,360 And when your Ralph Jr. 282 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:21,240 It's hard to separate the stuff that's about you versus Ralph Sr. 283 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,280 But I digress. 284 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,440 Still the two men had each other. 285 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,240 And for much of their lives, they continued on as they always had. 286 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Ralph Sr. 287 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Operated the Reigns tree farm, handling the financial affairs associated with their family 288 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,560 business while Ralph Jr. 289 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:46,280 primarily felt at home performing the physical labor working on the land. 290 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Lumberjacking? 291 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Lumberjacking it up. 292 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Yeah. 293 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720 A lot of plaid. 294 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,280 I just love me, a lumberjack, I can't even. 295 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,280 I know. 296 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Yeah. 297 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Yeah. 298 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,360 She's going to slide off this chair. 299 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,360 You're probably wondering where things started to go off course. 300 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Yeah, I've been wondering the whole time. 301 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Okay. 302 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Good. 303 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Good. 304 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,360 That tracks were right on schedule. 305 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Okay. 306 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:21,280 And I'm here to tell you while it pains me to do so that it was his interest, Ralph Jr. 307 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:27,520 It's his interest in something I think that we all know and love that introduced him to 308 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,520 the individual that would lead. 309 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Ralph Jr. 310 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Is Ray? 311 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,520 No. 312 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,520 No. 313 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:44,480 While Ralph Jr. was seemingly about as salt of the earth as they come, he also had an interest 314 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:51,080 in what some might classify as the paranormal or even the occult realm. 315 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,520 If you're nasty, I love it. 316 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Yeah. 317 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,520 She's nasty. 318 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,520 I am. 319 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:05,720 In 2004, at age 57, he decided to entertain his curiosity, if only briefly. 320 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:13,400 When he visited a psychic shop while on a trip to Bend in Southern Oregon, I've ever heard 321 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,560 of a, a, a bend or a psychic shop. 322 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Yeah. 323 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Uh-huh. 324 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,560 Both. 325 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Okay. 326 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Spoiler alert. 327 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,720 This woman. 328 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Kwa man. 329 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Kwa man. 330 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120 She is not a psychic. 331 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Pitch. 332 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,120 I know. 333 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,200 But she certainly has a solid nose for a con. 334 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Hmm. 335 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640 I mean, maybe that is her psychicness. 336 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,640 That's her. 337 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,840 That's how her third eye presents. 338 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,840 No. 339 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Okay. 340 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:56,480 The psychic, he shared one of his deepest desires, to settle down and perhaps have a family 341 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:03,800 of his own, which feels like sort of a, part of that sort of a misnomer because Ralph is 342 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,880 about as settled down as a person can get. 343 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,080 If he settles down anymore, they're going to have to check his pulse. 344 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Oh. 345 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 He's a pretty calm, super nice guy. 346 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 So, but the family part. 347 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,040 Yeah. 348 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960 No significant other or little, little kiddos. 349 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Nope. 350 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,920 He wanted that 10 a cups card, man. 351 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Hmm. 352 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,920 It's funny. 353 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,920 You should say that. 354 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Oh, is it? 355 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Yeah. 356 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Pops up in American greed. 357 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Does it? 358 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,920 No. 359 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,920 I watched two seconds of it. 360 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,560 I, well, I thought maybe, I thought maybe you lied. 361 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560 No. 362 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,560 No. 363 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,200 I, I'm pretty sure it pops up as like the card that's like in, 364 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,000 like the foreground when they're talking about how he wanted a family. 365 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Oh, I'll germinate. 366 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,400 They did their research. 367 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,240 He wanted a family and then I showed, oh, I can have to watch it after this. 368 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,400 You have to. 369 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,000 Her name is Rachel Lee. 370 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,400 She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph Reigns 371 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Jr. 372 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:19,920 This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman, but nearly a whole famed amily that 373 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,240 participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon. 374 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:32,000 After meeting and quickly befriending Ralph Jr. and also his father Ralph Sr., who was already 375 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,120 in his mid-80s, Rachel Lee gained information about them and their assets. 376 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,120 What a normal thing to do. 377 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,120 This talker. 378 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,120 Yeah. 379 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,120 Did you also follow them on lengthen? 380 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,120 Fuck off. 381 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,760 Gradually, she gained their trust. 382 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Ralph trusted Rachel Lee implicitly, even sharing his ideal love match. 383 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:11,880 Then in his late 80s, Ralph Sr. suffered a stroke and was unable to care for himself. 384 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Much less manage his various financial and business affairs. 385 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,280 I feel like this is where it all goes awry. 386 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,120 This is where the dominoes really start to fall. 387 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:30,840 From there, it didn't take long for Rachel to become Ralph Sr.'s full-time caregiver. 388 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440 She's a she just infiltrated. 389 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440 Holy shit. 390 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,320 Cassie, I can see it in your eyes already. 391 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,560 You want to know what are her qualifications? 392 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,120 They're caring for the infirm or elderly. 393 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,360 I'm so glad that you asked. 394 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,360 Seriously? 395 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,960 Oh my god. 396 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,040 You see, she told Ralph Jr. that she was alone in the world. 397 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,680 Her parents had already passed, as had her husband. 398 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,260 So she had, of course, shared the story of seeing him through the difficult times as he had 399 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:08,420 battled cancer. 400 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:10,280 And that would be a sad story. 401 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Yeah. 402 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,280 If it were true. 403 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,280 I was going to say. 404 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,480 She had been the caregiver for her husband throughout his battle with cancer prior to his 405 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,240 death. 406 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:29,560 In addition to her qualifications as a caregiver, she convinced the reinsmen that she could 407 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,160 help to manage their financial and business affairs. 408 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Oh shit. 409 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,560 If anyone offers to handle your finances, no. 410 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Yeah. 411 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Just no. 412 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Props that's not it. 413 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,600 You know, just they should have a degree. 414 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,600 And what's that called? 415 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,600 What's the numbers degree? 416 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Accounting. 417 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,600 Accounting. 418 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,920 You know, ideally, maybe if there is CPA, that's good. 419 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Also. 420 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240 There's a variety of needs. 421 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Not victim blaming. 422 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:05,840 I'm saying be aware in the future if someone comes to want to handle your finances. 423 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:13,880 You know, usually people who are qualified to handle your finances, like, like you mentioned, 424 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,000 there's like a degree that they hang on their wall. 425 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,680 They might have a website. 426 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,400 There might be some references. 427 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,400 You can chat. 428 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,400 You usually come to them. 429 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,960 They don't come to you. 430 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Just like no one will sign into your DMs saying that they'll give you a tarot reading or they 431 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800 have psychic advice for you. 432 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,800 No. 433 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Yeah. 434 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Unless it's us and then in that case, no, we will never come into your DMs to offer you 435 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,960 a psychic reading. 436 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Yeah. 437 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Yeah. 438 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,960 I don't know. 439 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,960 You ask for a tarot reading from us. 440 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,960 Yeah. 441 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Maybe we'll respond. 442 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 But listen, we don't do that shit for free though. 443 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720 You got to be on Patreon. 444 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Yeah. 445 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,720 I mean, you got it. 446 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Here's the thing. 447 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,720 We are willing to trade you a tarot reading for a story. 448 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,720 Oh, God. 449 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,720 Oh, yeah. 450 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Yeah. 451 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:13,680 Obviously Ralph Senior can't be responsible for any of that stuff anymore in his ill hell. 452 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 You know, he's not running numbers. 453 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,320 He's not filing important filings. 454 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,320 No. 455 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,320 I hope not. 456 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,680 And Ralph Junior is more of the, you know, live enough and working on the land. 457 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,680 Kind of a guy. 458 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,680 Yeah. 459 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:38,720 You know, around the same time, Rachel Lee moved into the Reigns family home in Gaston 460 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Oregon. 461 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,720 Damn. 462 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Yeah. 463 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520 So that escalated quickly, right? 464 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Yeah. 465 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Okay. 466 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,560 So she's already got her claws in pretty deep. 467 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Yep. 468 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,560 Yeah. 469 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:19,120 So they already had financial advisors. 470 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,120 Yep. 471 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:21,120 Sure did. 472 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,120 Okay. 473 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,560 For tax and accounting purposes, he had a representation. 474 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Okay. 475 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Yeah. 476 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,360 So you're having about the reaction that I feel like is appropriate. 477 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,360 All right. 478 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,360 Yeah. 479 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:39,760 Though as his health increasingly deteriorated in the period shortly after his stroke, the firm 480 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:49,000 hired to represent him communicated increasingly with Rachel as well as other members 481 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 of the Lee family. 482 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Hmm. 483 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:01,400 Eventually, all manner of instruction regarding the estate was conducted exclusively by them. 484 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,000 The Lee family. 485 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,640 Did they get power of attorney? 486 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,160 Like how are they doing this? 487 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,680 A very good question, Cassie. 488 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,680 And you know what? 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,680 I'm going to answer it. 490 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,680 Okay. 491 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,080 I'm not sure if I'm about to right now or if that comes later. 492 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Okay. 493 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,360 Just, you know, hold on to your butt. 494 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,360 Hmm. 495 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,360 Stuff. 496 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,360 That. 497 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,360 That. 498 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:33,520 Only a couple of years later, sometime in roughly 2006, according to court documents, Rachel 499 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,360 was prepared to test her newfound power. 500 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:43,120 When she convinced Ralph Jr. to purchase a home in Northwest Portland, that would later 501 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,080 be known as the Birken Dean home. 502 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Who? 503 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Yeah. 504 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Do you want to guess how much the house cost? 505 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,040 $1.6 million. 506 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Oh, actually, that's a little high. 507 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080 Oh, damn it. 508 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,880 I was thinking of today money, maybe. 509 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,880 I know. 510 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,880 2006, though. 511 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,880 Okay. 512 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,880 A million. 513 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880 Unfortunately. 514 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,880 Okay. 515 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Listen, it's too late because we were playing by the prices right, rules. 516 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Eight. 517 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080 And you got to get close without going over. 518 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Eight fifty. 519 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,280 For just shy of $1 million. 520 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:25,560 Rachel would eventually move the ailing Ralph Sr. from his longtime residence in Gaston 521 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:32,280 to this home as his days on this earth continue to dwindle. 522 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Oh, because I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to be in his own home. 523 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Yeah. 524 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,760 No. 525 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,760 I don't think so. 526 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,760 He's like, listen, I've been here. 527 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 I hang out here all the time. 528 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,000 Like I'm kind of over it. 529 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,760 I need a new view, you know? 530 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,760 Yeah. 531 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,760 It's funny. 532 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,760 You should say that. 533 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,760 Yeah. 534 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760 He is going to have a different view. 535 00:24:51,760 --> 00:25:02,680 But all of this was made possible by the durable power of attorney known as a D P O A that 536 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Ralph Sr. had executed in favor of Ralph Jr. in 1997. 537 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,600 So it's been in place for almost a decade at this point, but his son had it. 538 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800 But now they're going to use it. 539 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Okay. 540 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:26,280 Since the Lee's controlled Ralph Jr. the power of attorney permitted them to control the assets 541 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,040 of Ralph Sr. via the D P O A. 542 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Oh, shit. 543 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,880 At this time there was also a sense of urgency. 544 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:43,280 And it came to executing certain transactions that might have been viewed as beneficial to 545 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,480 the Reigns family in terms of tax planning for Ralph Sr. estate. 546 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,400 But just Rachel say to herself, slow your roll. 547 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,880 You've just manipulated someone into buying a nearly million dollar home for you and your 548 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,560 family to live in. 549 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,160 Let's call it a day on the financial front. 550 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,880 I don't think those people think like that. 551 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880 Yeah. 552 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,880 And you would be correct. 553 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,640 While that alone would still be a pretty wild story, I'm not sure we'd be talking about 554 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,160 it today if that were the case. 555 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Because of course it's going to get so much worse. 556 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600 I feel so bad for them already. 557 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,600 I know. 558 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Yeah. 559 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Yep. 560 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,400 A whole million dollars essentially that they've been conned out of. 561 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,120 That's like all the trees they planted. 562 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:46,560 By 2008, the firm was consulted on quote, valuing the Raines tree farm LLC units and the potential 563 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:54,320 transfer of certain of those units from Ralph Sr. to Ralph Jr. in order to utilize Ralph 564 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Sr.'s gift tax exclusion. 565 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,120 Are you going to tell us what that is? 566 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,520 Because I have no idea. 567 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:27,160 So this is something that people who have enough money to be worried about the tax implications 568 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,360 of their estate. 569 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,760 Something that they do to basically, "Hey, I want to give you this. 570 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040 I don't want you to have to pay taxes on it though. 571 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,040 That's so stupid. 572 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,040 That's silly. 573 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Be socialist. 574 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,000 You know, I just want to give you money." 575 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Is that a thing? 576 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,920 Cassie, it's so a thing they've made an exclusion for it. 577 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,920 It's written into our tax. 578 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,880 How come when you win a bunch of money, then it's a gift why do you have to pay fucking 579 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,200 taxes on it? 580 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,840 That's because you're a peon and you don't have an estate. 581 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,040 According to the episode of American Greed covering the case, at the time, the Reigns 582 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:19,880 family's timber properties alone were valued at $11 million. 583 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,880 Damn! 584 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,160 We're talking 2008 dollars. 585 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,160 There was plenty of money to be made from the Raines family and Ralph's estate. 586 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,080 For instance, within the files kept by the firm was a record of Ralph's seniors' home 587 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480 care expenses for 2007. 588 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Oh my God, are they outrageous? 589 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Included was a calculation or tally sheet referencing the name Rachel, presumably the 590 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800 payee, or the person to whom the amount was owed. 591 00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:05,200 It was a staggering sum, a total of $170,000 for home care. 592 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Holy shit, I'm in the wrong line of business. 593 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640 $170,000 for home care, all told. 594 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,720 And that was for 2007. 595 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Just one year, one year. 596 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,080 Oh my God. 597 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360 But you know what? 598 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080 I know this firsthand. 599 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Okay. 600 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,280 I've had elder relatives that have lived in assisted living and memory care facilities. 601 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720 It's quite expensive. 602 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000 So you think that's money well spent. 603 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920 That's why they worked hard their whole lives. 604 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,760 They were humble and they saved and they did all the right things. 605 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760 Right? 606 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Right. 607 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,560 Theoretically. 608 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,600 Now she's picking up and I'm putting down. 609 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:04,440 Ralph Senior reportedly lived in a bed kept in a hallway in the massive Burkendine home. 610 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,480 Even Harry Potter had a closet under the stairs at least. 611 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,240 A hallway? 612 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 He was in the hallway. 613 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Oh, he literally did not have a bedroom. 614 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840 For $170,000 a year. 615 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Oh, and the fact that also it's his money that bought the home that they're all living in. 616 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Wow. 617 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Friends and family struggle to reach either of the Raines men. 618 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:42,040 In some cases, it's believed that messages were being erased unnoticed. 619 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040 I don't know who would do such a thing. 620 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,640 Yeah, who would do that? 621 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:54,200 I have never had my own personal messages erased by someone who lived in my own home. 622 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,800 The fuck? 623 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,160 Never happened to me. 624 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,480 Let's fuck up. 625 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880 Plus, allegedly. 626 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,400 According to a neighbor and friend of the Raines family from back in the gas tin area, 627 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480 Ralph Senior was often dirty. 628 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Clearly not having been bathed recently, wearing unwashed clothes. 629 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,520 I'd like to think that if someone is paying nearly 15 grand a month for home care, the 630 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,640 basic hygiene might be one of the line items included in the luxurious package. 631 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640 You would think. 632 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:42,440 However, ultimately, it seemed that the Lee family and Rachel in particular had different 633 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920 priorities. 634 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,680 She sold the Birken Dean home to a third party and then stole the proceeds from the sale. 635 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,680 Sounds about right at this point. 636 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:05,480 In 2009, Ralph Jr. met Mary Marx, who purported to be an English woman in need of a green card 637 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880 to avoid deportation. 638 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,000 Oh, how did they meet? 639 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Funny story. 640 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,880 I think I'm psychic. 641 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:29,480 Or you can actually just read the literal writing on what? 642 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,720 Entering the room suddenly is a tall, slender, blonde woman from Great Britain. 643 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Mary Marx. 644 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Ellot! 645 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Ello poppet! 646 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,400 Who also seems to have a paranormal gift? 647 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320 What more could you want in a woman? 648 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,040 She told Ralph Jr. that she lived in California and worked in accounting. 649 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Okay, another accountant. 650 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,760 All right. 651 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760 Yeah. 652 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Lots of number wizards over here. 653 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 She proposes to him quickly. 654 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Something that she loves, the land, his family has cultivated and can help him manage the business. 655 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040 Proposes like to get married? 656 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040 She proposed. 657 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,040 Yep. 658 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,040 Okay. 659 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040 Never trust a woman who proposed. 660 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040 No, I'm just kidding. 661 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,040 I'm just kidding. 662 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600 I was like, wow, she's going to have to take that back. 663 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,560 I don't believe in gender roles, but this is like, yeah. 664 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,920 The part that's suspicious is that it's all a ploy, right? 665 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,080 It's meant to be like, oh, this is so flattering because here's this older man and this younger 666 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,440 attractive foreign woman who fits the bill of everything he wants. 667 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,080 That never happens. 668 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,120 And she defies gender roles and she proposes to him. 669 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,120 And you know what? 670 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,800 It's not about the money. 671 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,200 She loves the land. 672 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,200 Yeah. 673 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 She hugs trees. 674 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Okay. 675 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,760 She loves them. 676 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,640 Loves the fuck out of those trees. 677 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,480 It's offensive to me because I literally hug and love trees. 678 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560 I've seen her do it. 679 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:20,480 Despite her outward appearance, Mary Marks was not a natural blonde. 680 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,000 But perhaps more shockingly, she was also not quite a woman. 681 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Oh! 682 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 English or otherwise. 683 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Okay. 684 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520 This isn't going where you think it is. 685 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,480 You see, Mary Marks was actually Rachel's daughter, Porche. 686 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,440 Who was reportedly underage when she first met Ralph Jr. 687 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520 Oh! 688 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,520 That's right. 689 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,920 This woman slapped an incredibly cheap looking blonde wig on her own daughter who was not 690 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,560 yet 18 and goaded her into a shame child-bride wedding scenario. 691 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880 That's so gross. 692 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040 It's pretty icky. 693 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,440 The most curious sources state that she was anywhere between 17 and 20, but I think in 694 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,840 more aspects than one, it can take some time for the truth to shake loose from a rotten family 695 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,320 tree. 696 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:24,600 In any case, this is a mother who literally put a wig on her daughter and goaded her into 697 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,000 a shame child-bride wedding scenario with Ralph who was in his 60s. 698 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Just to sum it up. 699 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 No. 700 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000 No. 701 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000 No all the way around. 702 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 No. 703 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 No. 704 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,760 Porsche spoke with a fake English accent and wore glasses along with a wig. 705 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,760 Just like Harry Potter. 706 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,760 Harry Potter wore a wig? 707 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,760 What? 708 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,760 Glasses. 709 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760 Yeah. 710 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Glasses. 711 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,760 Scandal. 712 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,760 Scandal. 713 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Here's perhaps the worst part. 714 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:07,240 It's all fucking terrible, but the name needed to seem legit to work how they intended within 715 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,720 the confines of this particular gift. 716 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:16,640 Mary Marks is a real name of an actual person. 717 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,880 They didn't have to look that hard for an alias to use though because Mary Marks is actually 718 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,400 Rachel Lee's mother. 719 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Okay. 720 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,400 It's so gross. 721 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640 Just keep it in the family. 722 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Yeah. 723 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:37,280 The Lee's family staged a wedding ceremony for Ralph Jr. and the fictitious Mary Marks, 724 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,720 but the couple in truth was never married. 725 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,080 So it was a fake wedding. 726 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640 So they like actually met. 727 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,400 I don't know why this whole time I'm thinking it's like online because how how how how how 728 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,440 I it's there's so much to unpack here. 729 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,360 All of it is so bizarre and really gross. 730 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,520 Are you going to show us the spirit Halloween wig? 731 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520 You got to go to American greed for that. 732 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,160 I'm like, they're more worried about the the name sounding real than the wig looking real. 733 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,160 Uh huh. 734 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,160 Oh my god. 735 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,080 And it's not just a wig. 736 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920 It's like a hat with a wig attached to it. 737 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,880 It's so bad. 738 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,600 No marriage certificate even exists because though Ralph continued wearing his ring for a 739 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:36,400 time after being told the truth by authorities, even the marriage or perhaps especially the 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,720 marriage was part of the con. 741 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,160 No, he just wanted it so bad. 742 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,360 While the marriage may have been completely fake, court documents revealed that beginning 743 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520 in 2009. 744 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,520 Three marks began receiving a very real paycheck from the Raines tree farm LLC supposedly for 745 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520 bookkeeping work. 746 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Now there's one more thing that Ralph Jr. had always wanted from life, particularly as 747 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,800 he began to grow older and that was to have a family. 748 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,800 He's already halfway there with a beautiful English woman wife. 749 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,720 Yeah. 750 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:25,520 But very quickly after their wedding, Ralph is given what he thinks is truly fantastic news. 751 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,880 Marymarks, aka Porsche is now pregnant. 752 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,240 I don't I don't want to know. 753 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,240 You want to know. 754 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,240 Okay. 755 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,200 But of course, like every other aspect of this story, it's not quite what it seems because 756 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,840 this is definitely not Ralph's biological child. 757 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:49,120 They trick him into thinking he has fathered a child through in vitro fertilization. 758 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,320 Oh, thank God. 759 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,320 Yeah. 760 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,320 He's like, please, no. 761 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,320 Yeah. 762 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320 No, no. 763 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,320 No, no. 764 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320 And his patient. 765 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,320 Yeah. 766 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,320 Oh. 767 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:09,120 Apparently, though it wasn't Ralph's baby, the pregnancy had been real. 768 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,680 But the baby was taken by the father shortly after birth, which is probably the best thing 769 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960 that could have ever happened to that kid. 770 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,760 Seriously, wow. 771 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:28,800 Luckily, another one of Rachel's daughters also gave birth around the same time. 772 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800 Which is great. 773 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,200 But it's not great news because Rachel is psyched to be a grandma. 774 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,080 But because now she has an infant that she can borrow to use as a stand-in. 775 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,840 This baby is then introduced as Ralph's son, Georgio Armani. 776 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,320 But that's his name. 777 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880 Is that his real name or is that the name she made up? 778 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040 I think that's his real name. 779 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,080 Georgio Armani? 780 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000 That's already taken. 781 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000 There can only be one. 782 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960 We can't dwell here, OK? 783 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,240 Because there's so much more. 784 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,920 According to additional court documents, copies of the general ledger and profit and loss 785 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:26,360 statement for the Ralph Raines senior household provided to the firm to account for 2009 showed 786 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,880 how rampant the financial abuse had become. 787 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,440 The P&L statement, so profit and loss, if you're nice, stay. 788 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120 Which is my favorite phrase. 789 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120 I can tell. 790 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120 Yeah. 791 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:48,360 The P&L statement shows that approximately $1.2 million was deposited into an account to 792 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,720 be used for Ralph seniors' household expenses in 2010. 793 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,360 Damn, I need some household expenses like that. 794 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360 Right. 795 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,880 Said funds were made available after the lease liquidated investments in Ralph seniors 796 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:12,520 UBS account, which UBS is a place where a lot of people have like retirement and other 797 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,720 investment accounts. 798 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,000 Oh, not where your son packages. 799 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000 No, OK. 800 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,720 UB is the ball best. 801 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:30,760 By the end of that calendar year, only $200,000 of the $1.2 million originally deposited remained. 802 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,440 I know I was going to need the UBS second to. 803 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,040 Can you spend $1 million? 804 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,040 How? 805 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400 It's a really good question. 806 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,040 Like did they actually spend on stuff or did they? 807 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,040 Oh, they spent it on stuff. 808 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640 They didn't hide it in like off-shore accounts. 809 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,240 Oh, no, they spent it on stuff. 810 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,240 Oh my god. 811 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,640 Cassie, we are going to get to the stuff. 812 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,640 Oh my god. 813 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,640 OK. 814 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,760 I hope they bought a lot of really cool tarot decks. 815 00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,760 That's all I'm going to say. 816 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,400 I don't think so. 817 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,640 Approximately $375,000 was used to pay taxes. 818 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,640 Responsible. 819 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,640 Oh, that's good. 820 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,600 OK, no tax fraud here. 821 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:18,680 Which were only incurred in large part due to the significant capital gains incurred as 822 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,240 the result of the lease liquidation of investments. 823 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,240 OK. 824 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,640 So they took the money out and then it was taxed. 825 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120 So, cause and effect. 826 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,160 So it wasn't the gifted kind of money. 827 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,160 OK. 828 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,960 It was just shy of half of the total that was documented to have specifically supported 829 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480 the lavish lifestyle. 830 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,240 The Lee family was rapidly becoming accustomed to. 831 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,280 Entries in the ledger included payment for things like salon visits, luxury cars, and 832 00:42:52,280 --> 00:43:01,720 even a personal designer, all of which legal filings indicated were and I quote, "completely 833 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:09,480 inconsistent with the expenses of an incapacitated man needing a full-time caregiver." 834 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:16,160 Yeah, which I can say I wholeheartedly agree is correct. 835 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,760 Like yeah, no, duh, you think? 836 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800 Yeah, he doesn't need an interior designer. 837 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,800 I love, not really. 838 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640 Or trips to the salon. 839 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,640 He really needs a bath. 840 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,080 Oh, it's so sad. 841 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,320 This next part won't make you feel better then. 842 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,960 Then in February of 2011 Ralph Senior died at 91 years old. 843 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,920 But Junior's wife isn't present at the funeral. 844 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 Where is she? 845 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920 Good question. 846 00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:02,120 Once later Ralph Junior has his wife and his sons' names added to his parents' gravestones. 847 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,120 No. 848 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,400 Oh no. 849 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,440 A key element of the Lee's fraudulent scheme moving forward from this time was to tell 850 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,880 Ralph Junior that he had to sell the reigns tree farm in order to pay taxes. 851 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040 Make many other statements made by the Lee family. 852 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,240 Survey says that was a lie. 853 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,400 That doesn't sound right at all. 854 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,400 No. 855 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,960 In addition to lying about their being outstanding taxes from the probate process, Mary 856 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,760 Marks fakes a second in vitro pregnancy. 857 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960 Jesus woman. 858 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,240 Their further motivate Ralph to create more liquid cash in roughly 2011 according to American 859 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,240 greed. 860 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:08,040 He believed this second pregnancy would be a daughter and hoped to name her Gloria. 861 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:17,480 But months later, Mary fakes a miscarriage before flying home to England and faking her death. 862 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,880 This bitch is so fucked. 863 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,600 Faking things that real people actually go through. 864 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Yes. 865 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600 Including in vitro, which isn't fucking easy. 866 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,400 No. 867 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:39,920 So fake, Georgio, our money is now a fake orphan. 868 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,080 Where does he think the kid went? 869 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,920 Kid didn't go anywhere. 870 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,040 Like, oh, so the kid is still with him. 871 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,360 Georgio is okay. 872 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:57,480 The Lee's were able to keep Ralph Jr. from receiving the correct information because they 873 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,880 controlled all contact with the firm at this stage. 874 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480 I mean, they already had for quite some time. 875 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,480 Yeah. 876 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,480 Of course. 877 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,320 So, it's not difficult to see how the Lee's were able to orchestrate the sale of the reigns 878 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960 tree farm. 879 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,520 Which was contrary to Ralph Jr.'s plan to continue farming for many years in a series of sales 880 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:30,240 in 2011 and 2012 for over $12 million. 881 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:38,000 And steal the bulk of the proceeds just as had been done with the Burk and Dean home. 882 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Record show that by mid 2011, the firm had been informed by Rachel Lee that she was in the 883 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:51,040 process of attempting to sell the pumpkin Ridge tract of the reigns tree farm. 884 00:46:51,040 --> 00:47:00,560 The pumpkin Ridge tract was sold on July 27, 2011 for just over a million dollars. 885 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,480 The mills going around holy shit. 886 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:13,120 The Gales Creek tract was sold on September 23, 2011 for just shy of 1.5 million. 887 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,320 While Lee's thereafter began to drain the accounts of the proceeds of these sales. 888 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,320 Naturally. 889 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,320 Yeah. 890 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,320 Yeah. 891 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,320 As one does. 892 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,320 Holy shit. 893 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,720 I feel so bad for this guy. 894 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,720 And he thinks he just lost his wife. 895 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720 And his baby. 896 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,720 Yeah. 897 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,160 And he's in more like deep morning, I'm sure. 898 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,040 When the firm was provided an inventory of estate assets, the inventory showed that the 899 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000 only remaining worthy. 900 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560 And this is prior to the sale of the Burk and Dean property. 901 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,880 Obviously. 902 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880 Number one, the Burk and Dean property. 903 00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:01,000 Number two, Ralph seniors interest in the Raines tree farm LLC. 904 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,920 Number three, approximately $115,000 from the UBS account. 905 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:13,560 Number four, cash and miscellaneous items worth around $2,000. 906 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:20,400 Along with the estate inventory, the firm was provided a copy of the February 2011 907 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,320 statement for Ralph seniors UBS account. 908 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:32,560 Which contained what court documents describe as a graphic depiction of the depletion of 909 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,840 the account. 910 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:49,320 From a value of over $7 million in 2006 down to $115,000 at the time of Ralph senior's death. 911 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:56,400 The firm reportedly did nothing to express concern about the massive depletion in assets 912 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:03,640 or inquire how it was possible for a very wealthy man, such as Ralph senior, to die without 913 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:11,840 significant additional cash, investment accounts, and other property, and to have dissipated the 914 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,160 liquid assets that should have been available to pay estate taxes. 915 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,160 Wow. 916 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,600 Yeah, I feel like this firm handles a lot of people's finances, right? 917 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,800 Like, they should know what's normal and what's not normal. 918 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760 There's a lot of red flags. 919 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760 Yeah. 920 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,760 A lot. 921 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:38,680 Instead, the firm simply proceeded to pair the tax. 922 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,240 They just prepared the tax return as if this was business as usual and continued to communicate 923 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,640 with Rachel Lee. 924 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,600 Like, do they--are they allowed to say anything, you know? 925 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,320 Oh, absolutely. 926 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,320 They're financial advisors. 927 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,720 They say the tax preparers. 928 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,480 I mean, this is--that is literally their job. 929 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,400 Wow. 930 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,460 All of the aforementioned is completely at odds with the fact that the same firm had been 931 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:16,080 consulted for a number of years regarding the Reigns family's intent to maximize the 932 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,000 natural resource credit for the estate. 933 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:27,680 And they even revisited this issue in connection with the preparation of the estate tax returns. 934 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,340 The firm was fully aware that the sale of the tree farm parcels was at odds with the Raines 935 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:39,800 family's long-time plan to maximize the natural resource credit. 936 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,960 And in fact, the sales had the effect of decreasing the credit to which the estate was entitled. 937 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,840 So we're going against long-standing plans. 938 00:50:50,840 --> 00:51:00,760 We're talking about plans intended for a--for generational wealth, generational assets that 939 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:07,120 aren't necessarily strictly speaking cold-hard cash, but unreal. 940 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,080 Wow. 941 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:16,060 Further, in connection with analyzing issues related to estate taxes, the firm was aware of Ralph 942 00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:22,120 Jr.'s plan to continue tree farming for many years, given the recently in sales and those 943 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,880 that would be transacted within just months, surely this should have been of concern. 944 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:29,880 Yeah. 945 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,340 He was only in his 60s, right? 946 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:37,420 Like he--any worked physically his whole life, so I'm sure he had in shape. 947 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:39,620 He could still do that for a product. 948 00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:40,620 Right. 949 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:43,380 Even if he's not physically doing it? 950 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:44,380 Yeah. 951 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:47,060 And the firm could still be maintained by others. 952 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060 Because it wasn't just him. 953 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060 I'm just--yeah. 954 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,660 He's just out there shopping down trees. 955 00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:51,660 No, that's right. 956 00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:52,900 I probably had a ton of employees. 957 00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:57,460 Out there lumberjacken, solar, holy shit, and all those people affected. 958 00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:59,500 Oh my god. 959 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:06,900 In January 2012, the wholesale theft continued as the lease orchestrated the sale of a portion 960 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:12,220 of the cherry grove tract of the tree farm for just over a million dollars. 961 00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:16,540 And therefore began to drain the accounts of these funds as well. 962 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:21,660 They're just finding all the little places to take. 963 00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:22,660 Yeah. 964 00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:25,540 Well, every little crumb, million dollar crumbs. 965 00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:26,540 Mm-hmm. 966 00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:28,540 Yeah, million dollar crumbs. 967 00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:34,380 Just two months later, in March of 2012, the firm received a copy of the general ledger 968 00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:39,780 for the Raines Senior Household 4 2011. 969 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:45,540 Despite the fact that Ralph Senior had died in February, the ledger shows that the excessive 970 00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:52,700 spending of his assets continued regardless of his having passed. 971 00:52:52,700 --> 00:53:01,340 Of the approximately 16 pages of entries of expenditures for Ralph Senior's household, 972 00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:08,900 roughly 14 of the pages show expenditures incurred purportedly by his household after his 973 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:09,900 death. 974 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,140 Is his ghost needing shit? 975 00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:15,500 Like, how do you explain that? 976 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:19,180 Like as a ghost, I would get my nails did. 977 00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:20,380 Yeah. 978 00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:27,140 These were for things that I can guarantee you were not the expenses of a 91 year old man 979 00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,740 or his grieving family. 980 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:35,020 In July 2012, Ralph Junior turned 65. 981 00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:41,980 So in July of 2012, the lease orchestrated the sale of substantially all of the remaining 982 00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:46,980 tree farm for just shy of nine million dollars. 983 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:53,540 And therefore began draining the accounts of proceeds of that sale as well. 984 00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:59,020 The following month, the firm was aware of all of the tree farm sales and as a result, 985 00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:07,020 repaired additional estate tax returns showing additional taxes owed as a result of the sales 986 00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:14,420 because they didn't maximize the natural resource credits so then they owed money. 987 00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:22,300 So when they did the thing that flew in the face of the estate's long term plan for the 988 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:28,980 farm and they sold parcels, it didn't work out. 989 00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:35,140 In or around August of 2012 is when Rachel Lee actually orchestrated the sale of the Burk 990 00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:36,140 and Dean home. 991 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,460 I know we've talked about this quite a bit at this point. 992 00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:46,020 Rachel Lee signed the transaction documents purportedly as the "interny" in fact, that's 993 00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:49,180 that whole power of attorney thing. 994 00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:58,100 I wasn't going to leave this in, but it grabbed my attention. 995 00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:06,700 The firm received a copy of an escrow instruction letter and they had to attach a voided check. 996 00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:13,040 And that check was for the account where they were supposed to be depositing the money 997 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,780 from that sale. 998 00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,780 So it's a voided check. 999 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:19,380 It was a Hello Kitty check. 1000 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:21,420 No way. 1001 00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,020 Really? 1002 00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:28,340 This bitch ruined everything. 1003 00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:29,740 Even Hello Kitty. 1004 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:30,740 Wow. 1005 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:35,020 I should have brought my little Hello Kitty keychain. 1006 00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:37,180 I didn't know. 1007 00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:42,060 I didn't remember. 1008 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:46,940 I was just at my storage the other day and I saw it and I almost grabbed it. 1009 00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:48,740 It's my Hello Kitty man. 1010 00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:50,380 I was like, I don't need that right now. 1011 00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:51,380 I did. 1012 00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:54,060 I'm it. 1013 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:55,060 Wow. 1014 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,060 That's crazy. 1015 00:55:56,060 --> 00:56:00,220 Also, I don't want checks, but now I kind of do. 1016 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:01,220 Yeah. 1017 00:56:01,220 --> 00:56:02,220 Yeah. 1018 00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:09,220 Now that you know that you can have Hello Kitty checks, she's like, I need a checkbook. 1019 00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:10,220 Adulting, right? 1020 00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:11,220 Yeah. 1021 00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:17,660 In November of 2012, the firm was informed that the estate was being audited. 1022 00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:18,660 Good. 1023 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:22,180 It needed it, obviously. 1024 00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:23,180 Yeah. 1025 00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:24,180 I mean, yeah. 1026 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,500 Well, too late. 1027 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:32,660 So this was well prior to their preparation of the 2012 tax returns for the estate, which 1028 00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:40,980 showed nearly $700,000 owed in taxes in connection with income from the sales of the 1029 00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,980 Raines tree farm. 1030 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:48,820 Despite the fact that the lease were in the process of stealing the purported proceeds 1031 00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:51,980 from the sales, because that's kind of their thing. 1032 00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:52,980 Yeah. 1033 00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:53,980 Yeah. 1034 00:56:53,980 --> 00:57:00,180 In December of 2013, Rachel emailed the firm inquiring about the amount of inheritance 1035 00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:02,940 taxes still owed. 1036 00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:08,660 The firm emailed Rachel indicating that the amount still remaining to be paid was approximately 1037 00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:12,060 $350,000. 1038 00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:18,580 At which point, this bitch had the audacity to ask, oh, wow. 1039 00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:23,140 Did you find out if we can give them the rest of the tree farm to pay off? 1040 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,140 Huh? 1041 00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,620 Let me explain. 1042 00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:35,740 In doing so, Rachel Lee was suggesting the possibility of transferring the small remaining 1043 00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:46,060 parcel of the Reigns tree farm on which Ralph Jr.'s modest home was located to pay the taxes. 1044 00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:47,060 No. 1045 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:52,700 It's all he has left and it's where he lives. 1046 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,060 And she's just like, can you take that? 1047 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,060 Just take that. 1048 00:57:56,060 --> 00:57:57,060 Come on. 1049 00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:58,060 To pay off my fraud. 1050 00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:59,060 Thank you. 1051 00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:00,060 Thank you. 1052 00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:01,060 Here's my hello. 1053 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:10,200 The firm responded to her email on the same day to say, most likely the IRS will review 1054 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,620 Jr.'s personal assets. 1055 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:19,020 And if there are adequate liquid assets to satisfy the obligation, they will not accept 1056 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,860 non-liquid assets. 1057 00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:28,580 So as long as there was any cash remaining that could be collected, that's their preference. 1058 00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:33,540 Apparently, they don't want to just take a tree farm and then have to sell it. 1059 00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,220 That makes no fucking sense. 1060 00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:40,900 I mean, I know I think when they're desperate, they take all the assets. 1061 00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:41,900 Oh, yeah. 1062 00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,060 If that's all he has, they would take it. 1063 00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:49,740 But he still has enough money that they would try to go after that first. 1064 00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:55,980 They would try to go after other types of assets before that. 1065 00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:02,140 There's absolutely zero indication that the firm raised questions with Rachel Lee, 1066 00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:08,260 let alone Ralph Jr. as to why they would need to sell the small remaining portion of the 1067 00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:09,260 tree farm. 1068 00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:19,300 Remember, this is where his whole ass tiny house is located currently in order to pay $350,000 1069 00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,900 in inheritance taxes. 1070 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:31,340 And he had just sold nearly the entire family tree farm for over $12 million in cash. 1071 00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:37,180 Yeah, does she not just have that change in her car? 1072 00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:41,620 Nor did they question what happened to the UBS account that had contained as much as 1073 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:45,220 7 million in liquid assets. 1074 00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:48,220 Portland Police Detective Liz Crothers. 1075 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:53,140 Oooo Crothers! 1076 00:59:53,140 --> 01:00:03,780 Listen, between her and another guy and the IRS, they're like, no, this shall not stand 1077 01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:05,460 good. 1078 01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:14,660 She noticed the expensive vehicles frequently parked at the Canby psychic property. 1079 01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:22,380 From which Rachel continued to run her quote, legitimate business. 1080 01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:26,140 But quickly, it becomes clear that something is up. 1081 01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:31,900 Because that's a few too many fancy cars. 1082 01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:39,140 Marlene Olson, investigator with the Oregon Department of Justice, that had also conveniently 1083 01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:46,900 worked in logging and also knows the rain's family personally. 1084 01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:47,900 Wow. 1085 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,620 Oh, she steps in. 1086 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,620 Okay. 1087 01:00:52,620 --> 01:01:02,380 So Marlene Olson and Liz Crothers attended the same seminar in January 2014 on elder fraud 1088 01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:09,700 along with Steve Floyd, who is a detective with Canby PD. 1089 01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:10,700 Wow. 1090 01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:11,700 Thank God for that. 1091 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:12,700 Wait, what was it? 1092 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:13,700 The seminar. 1093 01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:14,700 Yeah. 1094 01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:15,700 Oh, my gosh. 1095 01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:21,900 When Marlene went to visit the Raines family tree farm and saw the clear cutting for herself, 1096 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,700 she knew something was seriously wrong. 1097 01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:31,300 Steve Floyd subpoenaed financial records while the IRS criminal investigation division 1098 01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:34,100 also began to take a look at the books. 1099 01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:43,140 Shortly after, the Canby detectives visit Ralph Jr.'s home in March of 2014, and then the 1100 01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:48,740 Canby psychic property is also searched. 1101 01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:52,820 Seasures of Rachel Lee's assets begin. 1102 01:01:52,820 --> 01:02:04,260 They discover Rolexes, a blank signed check, and the fucking blonde hat wig. 1103 01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:12,260 You know, with all this money, the fucking blonde hat wig used to dop this poor man. 1104 01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:13,260 Oh, my God. 1105 01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:17,300 I think I'm splurred a little on something a little nicer. 1106 01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,900 Nope. 1107 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,620 And they still had it too. 1108 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:22,260 That's, oh, God. 1109 01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:24,860 Thank you for the next old person. 1110 01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:25,860 They're going to prod. 1111 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:28,020 Who knows what they were cooking up? 1112 01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,740 Jesus. 1113 01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:37,580 In April of 2014, the IRS provided the firm its recommendations resulting from the audit 1114 01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:45,180 confirmed that certain penalties would be assessed and indicated that approximately $250,000 1115 01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:48,420 was still owed to the IRS. 1116 01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:57,260 By the time he's confronted with the latest evidence in May, Ralph's, he's mad. 1117 01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:58,260 He's mad. 1118 01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:59,260 Good. 1119 01:02:59,260 --> 01:03:01,500 And defending Rachel. 1120 01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,500 Oh, shit. 1121 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,500 It mattered the wrong people. 1122 01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,260 No, Ralphie. 1123 01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:07,980 I know. 1124 01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,220 Ralphie, June. 1125 01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:12,500 He's not ready to come out the other side yet. 1126 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:20,500 Well, I mean, and if you admit that all of that happened to you, that's like, oh, my God, 1127 01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,700 such a mental fuck. 1128 01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:22,700 Mm-hmm. 1129 01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:25,900 Because you're like a strong man. 1130 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:26,900 Mm-hmm. 1131 01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:31,420 He doesn't realize yet. 1132 01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:37,220 Rachel Lee directed him to write letters defending her actions. 1133 01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:38,460 And he did. 1134 01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:40,620 He wrote several. 1135 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:45,740 An American greed shared the text included. 1136 01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:49,860 In the one that they finally decided was good enough to send. 1137 01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:56,860 A short while later, Ralph is back in bend with Portia and Rachel, the place where he first 1138 01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,020 met Rachel. 1139 01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:04,740 At the time of this trip toward the desert, though he was completely unaware, Ralph was 1140 01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:09,460 down to just $200,000 left to his name. 1141 01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:16,100 Thankfully, the authorities were all too aware of the devious financial deeds of the Lee family 1142 01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:19,580 and moved to arrest the two women. 1143 01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:27,180 They were arrested at the shop in Bend, likely in just the nick of time, as authorities 1144 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:35,740 believe that the purpose of this trip was finally getting rid of Ralph Jr. for good. 1145 01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:36,740 No. 1146 01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:44,500 They were going to kill him allegedly, allegedly, and leave him in the desert allegedly. 1147 01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:45,500 What the fuck? 1148 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,500 Wow. 1149 01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:52,180 I mean, I'm not surprised, but still just like hearing you say it. 1150 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,620 It's awful. 1151 01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:56,980 He wrote letters defending you. 1152 01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,980 He did. 1153 01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,980 Like... 1154 01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:04,980 The criminal indictment against the Lee's was filed approximately one month after the report 1155 01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:10,660 was put forth by the IRS on May 8, 2014. 1156 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:14,860 It's then that the Lee's were arrested in Bend, Oregon. 1157 01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:19,400 According to court documents, at the time of their arrest, the Lee's had been keeping 1158 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:27,380 Ralph Jr. in a converted garage behind their bend psychic shop. 1159 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:28,780 Keeping him there? 1160 01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:32,940 That might've just got really high pitch. 1161 01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:38,420 That's the appropriate response. 1162 01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:45,980 Ralph Jr. was weak and confused when the authorities located him on the property. 1163 01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:52,660 As a result of his inability to manage his own affairs, in June of 2014, the Washington 1164 01:05:52,660 --> 01:06:01,380 County Court entered a stipulated, limited judgment appointing conservator for an adult, 1165 01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:09,980 or an indefinite period of time, which that judgment appointed a conservator for Ralph 1166 01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:11,380 Jr. 1167 01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:14,980 They brit need him, but oh my god. 1168 01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:18,860 But he really needed it. 1169 01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,900 This is the opposite of what happened to Britney. 1170 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:27,060 This is someone who very deeply needed this assistance. 1171 01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:32,380 Yeah, by someone not them. 1172 01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:38,440 There are certain aspects of this case that this could have just been like four whole-ass 1173 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,940 episodes. 1174 01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:45,580 There's a name I'm about to drop that you're going to go, "Huh? 1175 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:55,700 This is Rachel Lee's boyfriend husband, sometimes depending on who she was talking to brother. 1176 01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,380 Isn't her brother? 1177 01:06:58,380 --> 01:07:00,380 Blancy. 1178 01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,380 Blancy. 1179 01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:02,380 Blancy. 1180 01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:03,380 Blancy. 1181 01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,380 That's the first name. 1182 01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:05,380 Just one name. 1183 01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:07,380 Just like Cher and Madonna. 1184 01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:08,380 Blancy. 1185 01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:09,380 Blancy. 1186 01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:12,620 Yeah, Blancy had also worked for the Reigns family. 1187 01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:19,900 There's a number of instances where he comes up in the various ways that he helped perpetrate 1188 01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:23,540 this broad. 1189 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,940 He did some bad stuff for sure. 1190 01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:28,980 We are not in disagreement about that. 1191 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:32,820 I just didn't think he was that interesting of a character overall. 1192 01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:34,660 My brother has been blancy. 1193 01:07:34,660 --> 01:07:36,660 That's interesting to me. 1194 01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:37,860 I know. 1195 01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:38,860 I know. 1196 01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:39,860 Is he a real person? 1197 01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:40,860 Yes. 1198 01:07:40,860 --> 01:07:41,860 Okay. 1199 01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:49,020 To think that he was the least interesting character as the brother husband. 1200 01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:50,020 Wow. 1201 01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:51,020 Okay. 1202 01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:52,020 Okay. 1203 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:53,020 Okay. 1204 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:59,620 Blancy pled guilty and helped the feds track the siphoned funds. 1205 01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:02,820 So he was a... 1206 01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:05,220 So we still have to talk about him. 1207 01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:06,220 Yeah. 1208 01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:07,220 Yeah. 1209 01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:08,220 Snitch Blancy. 1210 01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:09,780 Snitch Blancy. 1211 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:15,700 For the charges of money laundering as well as other tax-related charges, he receives 1212 01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,700 a sentence of, "Kassie, do you want to guess? 1213 01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:20,700 Do you want to guess? 1214 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,660 Do you want to guess how long he got?" 1215 01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:24,020 I'm not good at this. 1216 01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:25,020 I don't know. 1217 01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:26,020 10 years. 1218 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:29,060 It was probably like 10 months. 1219 01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:30,860 Oh, sweet girl. 1220 01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:31,860 I know. 1221 01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:32,860 I'm literally not good at this. 1222 01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:33,860 Terrific. 1223 01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:34,860 No, I know. 1224 01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:38,700 I'm never good at this either, but this is... 1225 01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:40,300 It's somewhere between those two numbers. 1226 01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:46,580 I'm like, he either got way too little or way too much and took the fall. 1227 01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:50,220 He receives a sentence of two years. 1228 01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:52,220 I was totally going to say too. 1229 01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:53,220 Really? 1230 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,220 Yeah. 1231 01:08:54,220 --> 01:09:01,700 Rachel pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, and failure 1232 01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,100 to pay income taxes. 1233 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:14,140 And she gets eight years and four months, which seems like kind of a lot of time seeing 1234 01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:17,980 as she didn't actually kill anyone. 1235 01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:19,780 But I can't help. 1236 01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:28,340 There's a little bit of a sticking point for me because it's also noticeably less time 1237 01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:32,220 than the duration of her financial long con. 1238 01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:33,220 Yeah. 1239 01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:37,300 And she ruined two people's lives, like completely ruined them. 1240 01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:39,260 She ruined a lot of lives. 1241 01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:41,260 Probably more, but like... 1242 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:42,260 Yeah. 1243 01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:46,540 But two people distinctly stick out. 1244 01:09:46,540 --> 01:09:49,380 Does she not get like elder abuse charges? 1245 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,140 Because was there any proof? 1246 01:09:52,140 --> 01:10:00,060 I mean, technically, I don't think there was any evidence of physical elder abuse. 1247 01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:02,020 It's all elder abuse in... 1248 01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:03,020 Like, neglect. 1249 01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:04,020 Right. 1250 01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:05,020 Yeah, yeah. 1251 01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:09,620 Well, and strictly in like a financial aspect, really. 1252 01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:10,620 Yeah. 1253 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:15,500 Portia pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud. 1254 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:19,620 She would receive two years and nine months in prison. 1255 01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:23,100 She should get another year for a bad wig. 1256 01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100 Yeah. 1257 01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100 Listen. 1258 01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,100 That's a crime. 1259 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:27,100 It was a crime. 1260 01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,340 That is true crime. 1261 01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:37,100 I can't see if I told you that even though there's still some sad stuff left, that this story 1262 01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:41,740 kind of has a silver lining, would you believe me? 1263 01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:44,660 I hope that you would never lie to me. 1264 01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:45,660 Okay. 1265 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,100 I'm putting a lot of faith and trust in you. 1266 01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:53,220 Ralph has struggled to come to grips with the fact that the woman he knew as Mary Marks 1267 01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:54,740 was really Portia. 1268 01:10:54,740 --> 01:10:58,260 He thought she died. 1269 01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:01,580 That's so fucked. 1270 01:11:01,580 --> 01:11:04,900 And she in fact only saw him as a mark. 1271 01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:05,900 Get it? 1272 01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:06,900 Mary Marks? 1273 01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:07,900 No. 1274 01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:08,900 No? 1275 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:09,900 I get it. 1276 01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:10,900 I get it. 1277 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,100 My heart hurts. 1278 01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:20,940 On the day of her sentencing, she agreed to meet with Ralph and greeted him in the Mary Marks 1279 01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:28,340 get up, complete with the British accent before taking off her disguise. 1280 01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:30,060 She did not. 1281 01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:34,340 The prosecution actually arranged this. 1282 01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:37,100 They did this for his benefit. 1283 01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:42,740 Did they tell him that she was alive actually first or did he just see a ghost? 1284 01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:49,140 He did, it's, I mean, he knew that Mary Marks was having a trial, right? 1285 01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:50,460 Because he's there. 1286 01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:52,660 Okay. 1287 01:11:52,660 --> 01:12:00,580 There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and very hurt feelings involved in this. 1288 01:12:00,580 --> 01:12:08,460 But this helped him to come to terms with the overwhelming deception according to some 1289 01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:16,140 of the people that have remained closest to him throughout his emotional ordeal. 1290 01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:22,780 He literally, until she took off the wig, he just could not fathom that Mary Marks wasn't 1291 01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:27,580 real and that anything that he was being told was true. 1292 01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:30,780 It's just so fucking sad. 1293 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,740 Oh my God. 1294 01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:36,900 Ralph doesn't typically speak about this period of his life. 1295 01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:42,180 Some of his money and other assets have been returned to him after being recovered by authorities 1296 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:44,300 through seizures. 1297 01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:49,820 Ralph currently lives in a relatively modest A-Frame style home on the remaining family 1298 01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:56,300 property where the evidence of the clear cutting is in plain view. 1299 01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:00,420 A stark reminder of his painful past. 1300 01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:06,300 To some, it might be surprising to hear how optimistic Ralph has remained. 1301 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:12,820 Even light of all that he is endured, but when he appeared on American greed, his parting 1302 01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:16,780 words took the crew at the end of the episode were. 1303 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:20,820 Ten years ago, this whole area in here had trees. 1304 01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:28,260 This size appeared as he gestured to a large stand of old growth trees. 1305 01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:29,940 It's something I helped plant. 1306 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,580 I helped build and now it's gone. 1307 01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:40,300 I realized we've had a disaster here, but it will grow back and heal. 1308 01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:43,300 Oh. 1309 01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,300 It will. 1310 01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:48,980 Ten years from now, you won't recognize this spot. 1311 01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:50,980 Come back in ten years. 1312 01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:55,780 I know I was like crying at the end of the episode. 1313 01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:59,060 Can you imagine? 1314 01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:04,020 No, this whole thing is just crazy. 1315 01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:07,020 They just brainwashed him. 1316 01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:12,500 I just feel like if it had just been about the financial fraud, I know it's easy to say 1317 01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:17,020 that you don't care about the money when you have the money. 1318 01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:18,020 I don't know that. 1319 01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:19,020 I assume. 1320 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:20,020 Yeah. 1321 01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:32,420 But it's the wholesale fraud that they perpetrated in the deepest and most hurtful and personal 1322 01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:39,860 ways in his life that it's just, it's fucking heart-wrenching. 1323 01:14:39,860 --> 01:14:42,340 It really is. 1324 01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:44,340 It's so sick. 1325 01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:52,300 Yeah, like as much as we made fun of this bitch's fake wig and all this stuff, but I can really 1326 01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:59,860 see how you know the soft spots and the nerves that you can poke and manipulate and to someone 1327 01:14:59,860 --> 01:15:06,620 who then can't see any of that anymore. 1328 01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:09,660 And this is super heartbreaking as well. 1329 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:17,260 He obviously hasn't been able to maintain a relationship with Georgiel. 1330 01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:18,260 Oh, God. 1331 01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:25,460 And he said that's the one thing that he wishes is that he's like, I know maybe it's not right. 1332 01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:28,380 You know, maybe that it shouldn't be that way. 1333 01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:33,700 He's back with his family, like his real mom now. 1334 01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:38,380 But he really desperately wishes that he could have a relationship with Georgiel because 1335 01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:40,140 he thought he was his father. 1336 01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:41,500 He loved him. 1337 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:46,140 He, you know, was helping to raise him for all intents and purposes. 1338 01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:47,660 Yeah. 1339 01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:50,780 How old was Georgiel in the soul? 1340 01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:51,780 Oh, gosh. 1341 01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:56,220 By the end of it, he might have been close to like kindergarten age. 1342 01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:58,860 Because that's gonna fuck with him too. 1343 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:03,460 He's like, where was this father figure I had for so long? 1344 01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:04,460 Mm-hmm. 1345 01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:05,460 Just like the... 1346 01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:06,460 The damage. 1347 01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:07,660 The tendrils of damage. 1348 01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:11,780 I was literally just gonna say that tentacles, it just... 1349 01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:13,860 There's so much trauma. 1350 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:24,420 That's why I say it's like, there's not any murder technically, but it feels so much worse 1351 01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:27,820 in a way. 1352 01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:29,740 And obviously murder is bad. 1353 01:16:29,740 --> 01:16:30,740 Murder is bad. 1354 01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:32,620 We are not saying murder. 1355 01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:37,580 We are saying that like this just feels like on another level. 1356 01:16:37,580 --> 01:16:38,580 It's torture. 1357 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:39,860 It's like torture. 1358 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:44,220 It's like psychological warfare and torture. 1359 01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:48,980 And it would be awful to do it to anyone, but the fact that they didn't pick somebody who 1360 01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:57,460 was a young man and could move on in his life and do things differently moving forward. 1361 01:16:57,460 --> 01:17:01,740 This is someone who's already like retirement age. 1362 01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:03,740 Yeah. 1363 01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:08,980 Like he's entering what should be the golden years of his life and they have just... 1364 01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:13,500 They've absolutely annihilated what he thought was his life. 1365 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:14,500 That's crazy. 1366 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:17,060 I fucking hate it. 1367 01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:21,820 I hope he has the same outlook on his life that he does with the land. 1368 01:17:21,820 --> 01:17:23,740 I think very much so. 1369 01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:29,740 You are in your elder years, but that's not to say that you can't have a fulfilling life 1370 01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:31,420 for the rest of it. 1371 01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:37,780 You can still find meaning in what he does on this earth. 1372 01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:46,860 And obviously a lot of what his family has done has been trying to be of service to their 1373 01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:51,140 local community and just generally being good humans. 1374 01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,700 I don't know. 1375 01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:55,140 I mean, what else do you do? 1376 01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:58,340 You can't do anything, but just... 1377 01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:59,340 Yeah. 1378 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:03,860 You can't help and live with that little spot of sunshine. 1379 01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:04,860 And you know what? 1380 01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:06,460 You know what you do? 1381 01:18:06,460 --> 01:18:09,180 You do some tarot, but you know what you don't do? 1382 01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:12,540 You don't fake the tarot reading. 1383 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:14,220 You don't just like make shit up. 1384 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:15,940 You don't manipulate people. 1385 01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:17,660 Yeah. 1386 01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:20,340 You don't fake multiple pregnancies. 1387 01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:21,780 That is so gross. 1388 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:22,780 And your death. 1389 01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:24,060 That is so gross. 1390 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:26,900 All of that is just gross. 1391 01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,260 Should we do some tarot? 1392 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:34,380 Yeah, let's do some real-ass tarot, but isn't going to hurt anybody. 1393 01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:37,100 Except our own feelings, maybe. 1394 01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,500 Yeah, maybe sometimes, but yeah. 1395 01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:40,500 What are you going to do? 1396 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,100 It's always the truth. 1397 01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:44,900 And that's better than lies. 1398 01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:47,860 And that's a quote from me. 1399 01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:49,860 Oh my God. 1400 01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:53,380 That was the most basic quote I ever heard. 1401 01:18:53,380 --> 01:18:54,860 You're like, "Better than lies." 1402 01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,380 I'm a genius. 1403 01:18:57,380 --> 01:18:59,380 But that on my tombstone. 1404 01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,100 Oh my God. 1405 01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:04,100 [SIRENS] 1406 01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:09,220 As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. 1407 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:12,980 So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. 1408 01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:14,500 Let's show them some love. 1409 01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:18,020 You can find their info in our show notes. 1410 01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:19,100 Hey, it's Katie. 1411 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:20,100 And Izzy. 1412 01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:22,980 We are the host of Horror Cats and Witch Hats. 1413 01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:26,780 A podcast where we take a deep dive into the movie's creative to Haunt, 1414 01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:28,580 Horify, and Be Witch. 1415 01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:31,940 Every other week, we cover a movie recommended by our listeners. 1416 01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:35,780 My favorite episodes have included talking about the true crime that inspired the film, 1417 01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:39,820 Haunted History, and of course, any cat that survives till the end. 1418 01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:44,740 So follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Horror_Cats_WitchHats 1419 01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:47,300 and make sure to send us your movie recommendations. 1420 01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:51,260 But more importantly, send us your cat pictures and videos. 1421 01:19:51,260 --> 01:19:54,900 You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, and Google podcasts. 1422 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:57,500 Or pretty much wherever you listen to fine podcasts. 1423 01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:58,500 Wow! 1424 01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:02,260 You guys, we're back! 1425 01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:05,020 And don't worry, we did get more wine. 1426 01:20:05,020 --> 01:20:06,020 Well, of course. 1427 01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:10,660 Oh my gosh! 1428 01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:11,820 It's so cute! 1429 01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,500 Look at all the minis! 1430 01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:15,500 I know! 1431 01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,100 Yeah, this will definitely be when we have to get some good pictures. 1432 01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:18,940 Oh yeah. 1433 01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:20,460 You cannot see. 1434 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:20,980 Oh, point. 1435 01:20:20,980 --> 01:20:22,940 I'll point some stuff out while she's shuffling. 1436 01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:24,620 A racket. 1437 01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:27,060 Tiny tarot card. 1438 01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:29,060 They're teeny weeny. 1439 01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:30,780 They're Caitlyn's size. 1440 01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:33,420 We found a Caitlyn's size deck. 1441 01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:35,780 She shuffled these perfectly earlier. 1442 01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:39,140 Didn't drop a one. 1443 01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:41,340 I dropped a literally every single one of them. 1444 01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:43,860 She grabbed a mole and they all just fell out of her hands. 1445 01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:47,260 And I was like, is this the first time you've ever felt like a giant? 1446 01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,260 Yeah, basically. 1447 01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:50,260 OK. 1448 01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:55,460 Oh, what a word. 1449 01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:57,180 King of Swords was an effort. 1450 01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:58,900 It was, yes. 1451 01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:00,780 King of Swords. 1452 01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:02,740 It's not a flamingo. 1453 01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:04,940 It's not a flamingo, but it looks like one. 1454 01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,860 I think it's a heron. 1455 01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:09,540 I'm just like, it's not a flamingo. 1456 01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:11,340 She's like, that's all the things I know. 1457 01:21:11,340 --> 01:21:13,540 Those are from the Pacific Northwest. 1458 01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:16,620 [LAUGHTER] 1459 01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:17,580 OK. 1460 01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:19,580 King of Swords are keywords. 1461 01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:26,780 Are judgment, intelligence, mental power, and communication. 1462 01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:28,940 In some decks, the King of Swords 1463 01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:33,260 sits on a throne wearing royal robes and a crown, 1464 01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:36,020 brandishing a mighty battle sword. 1465 01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:38,100 They were both veterans. 1466 01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,100 Oh, yeah. 1467 01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:44,100 Other decks show him in military armor. 1468 01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:48,580 In a reading, he may represent an actual person, in which case, 1469 01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:52,580 he's usually a mature man known for his intelligence, 1470 01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:56,140 communication skills, fairness, and objectivity. 1471 01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:56,740 Wow. 1472 01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,300 That-- yeah. 1473 01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,220 That's creepy. 1474 01:21:59,220 --> 01:22:03,860 That's like one of the things I wanted to, like, kind of-- 1475 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:06,140 I don't-- like, drill in, but not really, 1476 01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:08,420 that he wasn't like a dumb person. 1477 01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:10,780 No, not at all. 1478 01:22:10,780 --> 01:22:14,780 The upright King represents intellectual pursuits, 1479 01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:19,420 communication, spiritual knowledge, which was, like, 1480 01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:23,740 Ralph's other passion aside from having a family, 1481 01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:25,100 and study. 1482 01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:29,780 You may be mastering a mental task or using your communications 1483 01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:31,860 skills successfully. 1484 01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:33,980 This is going to make you absolutely 1485 01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:35,940 short your pantaloon. 1486 01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,940 I thought you were reading still, and I was like, wait, oh, 1487 01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:39,940 what? 1488 01:22:39,940 --> 01:22:41,620 Yeah, that's in the book. 1489 01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:46,300 Sometimes this card indicates a decision, judgment, or legal 1490 01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:47,700 matter. 1491 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:49,380 Yes. 1492 01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:54,100 I think you could say, if the King signifies an actual person, 1493 01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:57,860 he may seem stern, analytical, or aloof. 1494 01:22:57,860 --> 01:23:00,980 Perhaps he's a lawyer or judge, a professor, 1495 01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:04,900 military leader, scientist, or religious leader. 1496 01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,420 This is so Ralph's senior. 1497 01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:09,860 In a reading about money, the King upright 1498 01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,780 recommends taking charge of a financial matter. 1499 01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:16,100 Oh my god, it hurts. 1500 01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:17,220 Do your homework. 1501 01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:20,180 Don't let your emotions influence a decision 1502 01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:23,020 involving money or investments. 1503 01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:26,060 We needed to do his tarot reading. 1504 01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:27,780 It hurts. 1505 01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:32,580 This card may also mean profiting from an intellectual endeavor. 1506 01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:34,500 If the reading is about your job, it 1507 01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,860 may indicate you work in a field that 1508 01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:41,220 requires keen intelligence, good communication, 1509 01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:44,220 or analytical ability. 1510 01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:47,700 The King advises you to show leadership regarding decisions 1511 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:52,740 or judgments, clarity, and objectivity are important. 1512 01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:57,420 Because you think of him as we talked about he worked very 1513 01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:58,340 physically. 1514 01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:59,340 He did. 1515 01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:59,700 Yeah. 1516 01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:03,340 But then also to run it after his dad passed, 1517 01:24:03,340 --> 01:24:05,460 he ran the whole thing, right? 1518 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:13,180 Well, not from the standpoint of the administrative 1519 01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:15,740 or bookkeeping, obviously, you know what he was doing that. 1520 01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:18,340 But I mean, yeah. 1521 01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:23,300 Cassie, you're going to shorten your pants a second time. 1522 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,260 Double short. 1523 01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:25,860 Double short. 1524 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,820 In a reading about love, the King symbolizes 1525 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:33,100 a relationship based on shared interests and ideas 1526 01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:36,100 rather than passion. 1527 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:36,620 Yep. 1528 01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:39,380 Like a sexless marriage where they might 1529 01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:41,260 have been fake shared ideas. 1530 01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:42,420 Yeah. 1531 01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:46,900 You and your partner resist expressing deep emotions, 1532 01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:49,620 preferring a friendly partnership, which 1533 01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:51,740 is literally the name of the game here. 1534 01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:52,780 Yeah. 1535 01:24:52,780 --> 01:24:55,060 Perhaps you fear losing independence 1536 01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:57,020 if you open your heart. 1537 01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:59,940 I don't think he was the one that was afraid. 1538 01:24:59,940 --> 01:25:01,700 There's an extra excerpt. 1539 01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:05,740 I think the highest purpose of ritual or magic work 1540 01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:10,580 is to seek our gods to commune with the cosmic mirror 1541 01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:14,260 and the spirits of nature in order to learn more of the divinity 1542 01:25:14,260 --> 01:25:17,300 within ourselves and reach ever more 1543 01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:21,140 toward personal growth and its highest expression. 1544 01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:22,660 Nature. 1545 01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:25,420 That's what like real-- what does it say? 1546 01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:26,380 What's the beginning again? 1547 01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:27,060 Sorry. 1548 01:25:27,060 --> 01:25:30,900 The highest purpose is to seek our gods. 1549 01:25:30,900 --> 01:25:32,860 Commune with the cosmic mirror. 1550 01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:36,340 This is just-- it's Ralph Jr. all over the place. 1551 01:25:36,340 --> 01:25:39,380 And it's like what a tarot reader should be doing. 1552 01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:45,300 Not selfishly doing whatever the fuck you want to do. 1553 01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,340 Right. 1554 01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:47,500 In the nature. 1555 01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:49,380 Oh my gosh. 1556 01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:51,340 All those trees. 1557 01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:53,380 Trees of feelings. 1558 01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:54,940 I kind of want to read this. 1559 01:25:54,940 --> 01:25:55,820 OK. 1560 01:25:55,820 --> 01:25:56,740 I don't know why. 1561 01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:57,620 Let's see. 1562 01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,980 She wants to know what the bird is, people. 1563 01:25:59,980 --> 01:26:02,420 Oh, the bird's a great blue heron. 1564 01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:06,340 The king always felt most himself in the water. 1565 01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:12,380 True his subjects gasped in awe when he took to the air. 1566 01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:16,620 His wide wings outstretched in the gleaming sunlight. 1567 01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:20,060 And he did enjoy the bird's eye view, so to speak. 1568 01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,540 But it would surprise them to learn 1569 01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:26,780 that it was here in the water where he felt most at home. 1570 01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:30,140 I feel like the water is like the trees. 1571 01:26:30,140 --> 01:26:30,740 No. 1572 01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:31,660 It is. 1573 01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:33,460 It is because of trees. 1574 01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:38,620 There's literally a quote that I swear it was in my notes, 1575 01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:40,820 but it doesn't seem like it made the final cut. 1576 01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:41,700 I don't know how. 1577 01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:47,100 But he was described as being more at home with trees than people. 1578 01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:48,580 Yeah. 1579 01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:51,060 And like this whole time I've been like saying in my mind, 1580 01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:54,660 like a sea of trees, a sea of trees, and this is like water. 1581 01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:55,380 OK. 1582 01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:56,740 There's more. 1583 01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:00,460 He stood perfectly still until the fish forgot him. 1584 01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:03,300 Seeing him as just a part of the landscape. 1585 01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:08,060 He enjoyed watching them flit about his tall ankles, 1586 01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:11,060 like tiny thoughts darting in and out. 1587 01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:12,220 Yeah, that's his thoughts. 1588 01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:14,620 Like tiny thoughts darting in and out 1589 01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:20,100 of a rapidly processing mind, which I was talking about that earlier. 1590 01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,940 Oh, boy. 1591 01:27:21,940 --> 01:27:25,300 When he saw one of particular interest, 1592 01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,260 he might observe it for a while. 1593 01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:30,420 Oh, now this is kind of like reminding me of her. 1594 01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:35,620 Oh, like blending in and like observing and then-- 1595 01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:37,140 I hate that. 1596 01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,700 --the light on its scales, the exact motion of its fin and tail. 1597 01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:44,900 Its patterns and coloration. 1598 01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:50,140 So it's like studying and like thinks this one fish is interesting. 1599 01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:53,020 And if it suited him, he would take it, 1600 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:57,180 breaking the stillness with an instantaneous strike downward, 1601 01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:02,580 spearing it on a bill as sharp as any honed edge. 1602 01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:05,380 He never misses. 1603 01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:08,100 OK, so first I was thinking this was him, 1604 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:11,980 like it was describing him, but now it's like totally her. 1605 01:28:11,980 --> 01:28:15,860 I mean, there's parts of it that resonate for Ralph Jr. 1606 01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:18,700 but there's definitely parts of it that are very pointed. 1607 01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:24,620 And it's Rachel and other members of the Lee family. 1608 01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:26,660 Wow. 1609 01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:28,060 That's crazy. 1610 01:28:28,060 --> 01:28:32,940 That's a little tastier cold reading that's going to happen. 1611 01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:34,860 Not great. 1612 01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:36,340 Should we do this thing? 1613 01:28:36,340 --> 01:28:36,860 Sure. 1614 01:28:36,860 --> 01:28:38,620 Should we-- I feel like I want to cheer us. 1615 01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:40,540 All right. 1616 01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:41,700 Cheers, darling. 1617 01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:44,020 To Ralph Jr. 1618 01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:46,220 I'll drink to that. 1619 01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:48,060 You're going to have amazing life. 1620 01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:50,220 You're going to have amazing life. 1621 01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:52,980 Why use many words? 1622 01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:55,300 I keep doing that. 1623 01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,100 Ralph, you're going to have an amazing life with that outlook. 1624 01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:03,380 That's how you get a good life is having this great outlook 1625 01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:05,780 on it, even though shitty things happen. 1626 01:29:05,780 --> 01:29:06,780 It's what you make it. 1627 01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:09,060 You just have to. 1628 01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:12,260 That or you're just fucking depressed. 1629 01:29:12,260 --> 01:29:13,940 And that's never fun. 1630 01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:16,300 No, not at all. 1631 01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:21,180 Oh, or have a creepy ass day. 1632 01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:23,140 See you next Tuesday. 1633 01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:24,100 You can't hurt me. 1634 01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,860 I mean, just whenever we show up again, 1635 01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,140 and always every Tuesday, but maybe other times too. 1636 01:29:31,140 --> 01:29:34,940 There will never be a scam here, never ever. 1637 01:29:34,940 --> 01:29:36,340 That's why we do it on camera. 1638 01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:37,140 Yeah, I mean, yeah. 1639 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:44,500 Be anticipation. 1640 01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:49,140 The anticipation, not to me if it purely. 1641 01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:50,940 Oh, God. 1642 01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:54,900 What do you call it when something is so funny that you're 1643 01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:58,340 worried you might be? 1644 01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:59,340 Hallerapy? 1645 01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:00,220 Hallerapy? 1646 01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:01,220 Yeah. 1647 01:30:01,220 --> 01:30:02,780 Maybe we'll workshop that one. 1648 01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:03,580 Workshop that one. 1649 01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:04,060 OK. 1650 01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:05,820 Not that quick on my brain. 1651 01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:06,820 Yeah. 1652 01:30:06,820 --> 01:30:10,060 OK. 1653 01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:10,620 All right. 1654 01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:10,900 Yeah. 1655 01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:11,420 Yeah. 1656 01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:14,340 Well, don't think with my toes. 1657 01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:15,460 Ello, poppet! www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com
