NFL Photo Guy: Ed Sheahin

So I'm here today with my guest, and he
is a NFL photographer. He's worked for the Washington Redskins for the last several years. And he's done some other things in the world of sports, and is also a big Pittsburgh pirate fan. So there's something he and I share in common. We widely do that. Um, let's talk just a second about the pirates, since you're a diehard pirate fan, what's going on there and in your opinion,
they exist to produce players for other teams. I mean, it's, it's disappointing. They get what they cannot own for four or five years, and then when they're ready to get the big money, they move on. And it's been like that since bonds left, and it's been very difficult to really buy into what they're doing. But, I mean, they're making money. They're part of that profit sharing and they put a product on the field to it's almost like a triple A team within a major league system, and it shouldn't be that way. And baseball's got to change. I know they want the Yankees to win every other year or whatever, because it's good for but that's not the way it should work. You think a salary cap would help a team like the pirates or at least a, a spending floor because they don't even you know that their payroll is projected at around 50 million this year. Which there are a lot of teams that have two or three players combined making at least 50 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Between pool hosts and trout. I think they're making more with the Anaheim Angels. I don't know if a salary cap is the answer because they want the Yankees to always be there. You know, it's big for baseball. So they're not going to cap the Yankees. What they can do to make it fair is is break up the divisions and put the lower budget teams in one division, but the higher budget teams and another two, so at least you have a chance every year you know, if the pirates were competing against the reds and the Brewers and i don't i don't think the Cardinals and cubs should be in there. They got away more money to spend but Maybe you throw in the Padres and maybe the Marlins in that one division, okay? You know you maybe every three or four years you make a run out, you know, but they haven't done anything since early 80s. And pirate fans don't go It's a beautiful stadium. You know, I went for the first time in, in the existence of the stadium about two years ago, I went twice and I had such a good time there. It's such a beautiful stadium and I walked all the way around and just took photos all day. loved it, do it again and again and again. And I think pirate fans just go to escape. You know what's going on in the world and sit and relax, have a hot dog or beer or soda, whatever. enjoy time with the kids and watch the pirates win or lose. They're still there to cheer him on. But eventually you got to win and put a product on the field that can contend
it that's got to be your mo though. And I don't know if the current ownership group is about winning. But we'll find out. Hey, let's get into a little bit more about you. Why sports photography what what what took you down that road? What, what interested you about it?
Well as you know as a former football coach I was covering high school sports for a local newspaper and started my own little sports magazine and I did a feature on you and your team your rockville Rams at the time and I just enjoyed covering sports I had a real nine to five job and wanted more out of life I didn't want to do in banking, you know, mortgage banking my whole life. Yeah, it paid the bills, but man, I dreaded getting up every day. So I did something that I wanted to do and love. I did that on my own spare time. And you know what started off as just doing it on the side, I entered a contest with Bleacher Report just on a whim to To write for the Redskins and cover, the Redskins beat for CBS Sports, went up against 2500 other people and mine was the best I guess they picked me and I covered the team for a year in 2009 as a beat reporter for the CBS sports.com rapid reports. They were horrible that year three and 13 I believe are foreign 12. With with Jim Zorn's final year is a nightmare, but you know, it wasn't for me, I didn't enjoy the beat. You basically watch practice for 1520 minutes and then you got to go inside and sit and wait for practice. And then you interview the coaches and some of the players and then you leave and it just wasn't enjoyable for me. So after that one year, I got it back, you know, in the photography. It's right when they came out with the digital cameras, and so I kind of gotta jump on everybody. Else invested in a digital camera started covering high school sports and college sports for local newspaper. We got into the Redskins and, you know, photographing their games in 2011 I believe it was. And you know, it just built relationships and met a lot of people and it's it's a lot about who you know and ended up as the Redskins historian photographer, you know a lot of its skill, you got to have some skills and timing and everything and know what to look for and anticipate but a lot of it again to to you know, who you make friends with and, and how you keep and nurture those relationships.
Yeah. So would you say it was a particular event aside from aside from the Bleacher Report thing, or was it a person who inspired you to actually enter that contest or just because you were passionate about I just
passionate about sports man, I just I wanted to do it now. I entered in one. I mean, I didn't think I was gonna win. I got a call out of blue. I'm like, What? Are you kidding me? I mean, I thought my writing was pretty good. I was a pretty good writer, but I didn't think I was that good. And, you know, I talked about all the old Redskins traditions and what excited me some of my best memories, some of the best players I've enjoyed, cut, you know, watching on TV and they liked what I wrote about and I want
that's excellent that it's so gratifying to when you get to, to take something you're passionate about and put it into play is like, kind of a career type move. In an essence. I mean, I get where you're coming from. Um, so how long have you been the Redskins? What isn't historian photographer?
Yeah, I met Mike Richmond's the Redskins historian. He's he wrote the Redskins encyclopedia. He's done a book with Joe Gibbs before he's working on one. Now with On george allen that's supposed to come out in 2021 and Mike and I became friends up in the booth the year I was covering the team in 2009 on the beat, and we stayed friends and I asked him one year I was like, Hey, you need a photographer to I mean to capture all these photos. And again, I do you know, that way doesn't go have to go around asking people for ideas and getting permission and all that. So I've been covering the team I've covered every game you know, at home anyway. Not on on the road. Since that time since 2012. And you know, we I give him photos he writes about on on Facebook, and you can follow Mike Richmond on Facebook if you get a chance if you're interested. My photos are on my website sports spotlight. It's it's sports spotlight.
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mug.com Okay, see my Redskins photos there. And you know through it through my photography ventures, I met a lot of other photographers that I get along with and we started our own little group called APR, all pro reels. And right now we're covering all sports, the Nationals, the Redskins, the wizards, the capitals, and even some college, and even some non sports and we're trying to grow our low APR business and it's taken off and hopefully you'll hear about us well, you know, we're starting off slow but we're building and hopefully we'll have a good team together that we can start selling to the big boys one day.
I was gonna say it has to be just a little bit slow right now. But the snow sports I mean, in essence, everything is in about a month everything is going to kick back up, but you're not going to be a lot of be there to the Fatah, you know, to photograph. But I mean, like you said it, it starts off slowly, then sometimes it's easier and better if it starts out slow. That way you can evaluate what you're doing and make your adjustments before it actually explodes. And knowing your work, I'm sure, I'm sure things are going to inevitably take off for you. Um, you also like we talked earlier, you talked about being the photographer for the hog farmers. Who were they in and how does your work get used by them?
Well, the hog farmers are a group of redskin fans.
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Jeff Reinhardt and what we do is, is we They dress off like the old remember the old hog acts. Yeah, Redskins. Well, they're kind of like the newer version of them okay. And they dress up in their redskin gear. It's kind of outrageous and but what they do is they focus on fundraising for pediatric cancer kids. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So they they do charity work some of the redskin players donate photos autographed photos and jerseys, what have you and they auction them off or do other events to unload the items for charity money. And it's worked out pretty well. They you know, they raise about anywhere between six to $10,000 a year. And then they buy a bunch of care packages and send them off to parents who are going to children's hospitals throughout the country. Trying to, you know, deal with all the issues of having a child with cancer. And in those packages, they include gas cards, food store cards, some stuff for the kids, they find out what the kids like to do, because they're, you know, they're locked in a hospital for months. Yeah. And you know, it's just one big care package and then usually it includes a jersey of their favorite player or even a hog farmers jersey, which is kind of like a red skin color, Jersey, but it's personalized with the hog farmers logo and has a kid's name on the back sometimes. So they do different stuff, but it's just just to let them know that we're here and we care for them. And I you know, I photograph the hog farmers at the games and stuff and try to get them some notoriety and this is only the second year so they're, they're slowly taken off and the Redskins know who they are that the team Officials, and they know you'll see him on the scoreboard a lot during commercial breaks or like game breaks. Because the camera crews know who they are. So it's nice they they're slowly building, they're nowhere near where the hog gets where he used to raise millions of dollars for charity. And hopefully the hog farmers will get there. It's it takes a while, you know, it just takes a while.
I think just doing that. And you giving your, your time to photograph for them is spectacular. If every professional sports organization had a group of people that were willing to give back like that. It would make the games be viewed in a different way. Oftentimes, especially with the NFL all we hear about it, the negative things that come out, you know, this guy has done this, that guy has done that. This organization has done this. I want to hear these good stories like you just told that that's That's really, you know, a heart warming story. I'm listening to someone tell you a story that will help you paint a clear picture in your mind. But looking at your photos enables you to create your own dialogue and story. What exactly are you trying to capture when you're taking photos?
I'm just trying to get good actually shots. And what I try to do is anticipate the play, obviously, looking at the field, situation and what down it is and, and just knowing kind of what the coaches like to call in certain situations, who they like to go to, and then I look at the formation as they come up to the line and I can, I'm not always right, but I can generally guess where the balls going. And then, you know, I try to anticipate you know, who's going to get the ball and whether it's a passer run and try to capture that moment whether, you know, there may be five or six big plays in a game and you know, you got to stay Locked in because you don't want to miss that. And that's what I tried to do. And sometimes you're you are in the wrong position. There's just nothing you can do about it. You're on one side of the field and it happens way on the other side of the field. And, you know, good luck to all those guys on that side, you know, I missed out on, right, but sometimes you get the big play and it comes right out. Yeah. And I usually, I'd say seven out of 10 times, I'm usually in the right spot.
I don't think people quite realize that. That your job as a photographer is a little bit different than a lot of other people out on that field who are working a game on your right, you kind of have to be in the right spot at the right time to grab that photo. I mean, I've seen you know, so many great photos like I go back to San Antonio Holmes when he scored that game winning touchdown and you know, the guy that got the picture of him on the sidelines, toes inside. Inside the goal, it was spectacular. You know, that guy was right place right, right, right spot
right time and he was ready. And that's the whole kit. Gotta be ready. You know, you could have three or four different lenses and cameras there waiting to take a photo and no, Ben decides to turn around and go the other way he doesn't get the shot somebody else does on the other side of the field. So, you know, he was sitting there ready had his wide angle lens and he was sitting there and the light happened right in front of them. And sometimes photographers miss it because they had the wrong camera lens up. And, you know, it's anticipation A lot of it. Just like I couldn't do wedding photos, you know, or I can't do bar mitzvahs, or your wedding receptions. You know, you just it every photographer has their own skill set and talent and yet they have certain equipment, also to do those certain things. A wedding photographer has great equipment and everything but if you put them in a football game, they have no clue what they're doing. They'll take and they'll get a few nice shots just because of the equipment because your equipments key to but timing and anticipation has a lot to do with it and also You're dealing with a lot of stuff on the sidelines. I don't think people are aware but you really only have between the 20 and 20 to shoot. And then on the sidelines, you have the chain gangs you have the television people with, you know, waving their arms and you have the cheerleaders on the sideline. You don't have a lot of space there's not a lot of moving and usually you find a spot you tuck yourself in there and you hope the action comes your way but you know, it's not as easy as everybody thinks it is.
You ever get run over?
No Actually I haven't. Fortunately because I'm I don't want to get destroyed but I had a buddy that that did. It was actually I think it was RG threes game where he I think he broke his leg or ankle against Jacksonville and it was on that play. RG three was running to the sideline and the defender for the Jacksonville Jaguars who tackled and kind of rolled in He was still taking shots of the action and the guy rolled right off and kind of undercut his legs and he went headfirst into the ground, but he kept his camera protected his camera. So that was first priority. But um, maybe I haven't, but it was funny because they replayed it on the big screen. I'm looking at it and I'm going Oh my God, please don't be Gary, please look. And sure enough, it was him. Did he a serious injury? He actually got a, you know, out of embarrassment. you hop right up and I don't care how bad it hurts you. You act like your toughest guy in the world at that point. Yeah,
I would agree. Um, so you've reported and you've photographed Which do you like better and why?
photography easy writings. Writing is it's too much work. It's it's very repetitive. You feel like you're writing the same thing. Over and over again sometimes and asking the same questions and photography, every game, every situation is different. The lighting is even different depending whether it's sunny or raining or snowing or whatever. Every single game is different, every single plays different. So, and then it's up to you to be creative to find anticipate where that shots going to be. And, you know, you've got to find that spot. And I know you.
I know you said you cover almost every game at home. On the road, do you have a particular place that you go to that you like photographing at any other stadium?
Well, you know, it's funny, I went to Minnesota this year for the first time. Never shot indoors before that was an experience on my stadium. Not not the, you know, not the greatest thing in the world. It's in an area that's not that great. But it's a beautiful stadium and The acoustics in their front of eye you can't hear yourself think you know it's that loud. So there is a great advantage for them there. Right But no it's nice it's comfortable whether you want to worry about you know whether it's too hot or too cold or rainy. You shoot at the same settings the whole game and it makes life a little easier but
yeah, it was a nice experience I would say that was that was interesting for me shooting an indoor game, any division any division games you like shooting better than others for example, you know you like shooting the Redskins in Dallas are the Redskins and the giants.
You know, it used to be Redskins cowboys but and it's been a one sided robbery and you know, it's just not I almost feel like I'm walking into those games knowing what the results could be. Right. You know, the the eagle games are always pretty good weather. You You're up in Philly are here. Because the fans, you know, very rowdy and the Eagles been filling up FedEx halfway through, you know, the last couple years. Yeah.
And it
is not the same, it won't be the same and they just need to get out of that stadium.
Yeah. Let's see how things pan out now with with the change in name and how people bring money back to the table for them and they potentially could do that. Um, what's your experience been like? photographing the Nationals? What what? You know, like, I know you did that for a while.
Well, the big
city back when Harper came?
Yeah, I was his rookie year I covered them and that was a big thrill just because the hype over him and everything. You know, I'm not gonna bash the guy but he just, you know, he wasn't a real people person. He felt he was focused on baseball. Only in You know, I had one photo him that went viral. It was all it was on ESPN. It was all over the place. Everybody was carrying it. He came out. I think it was a second year. Maybe a third year. I don't know. But he was you can tell he was lifting. And he got all balled up and everything. So you have this real tight t shirt on and you walked out with two Girl Scout cookie boxes. And you know, you know, the whole headline was we know the secret to Bryce's success, you know, so the Girl Scout cookie here then took off and that probably helped the Girl Scouts a lot, but that that photo went viral. And that was that was fun for me.
That's, that's awesome. Any other game stand out tvg photograph.
You know, just being around those guys.
They're good guy. They got what they deserved last year. They're a bunch of good guys. They're not the friendliest guys in the world as far as coming up and put an arm around anybody. They're anything but they're just good wholesome people and work. They work hard. They're blue collar guys. And they deserve that that World Series last year, they worked hard for it. You know, it was I think it was even more special to them since it was the year that Bryce Harper left them and everybody thought, well, they're done. And one player doesn't make a team and sometimes even a great player hurts a team because of just the the tension in the locker room and everything. And I'm not saying Bryce's was a locker room problem, but maybe he was and maybe that, you know, things were relaxed and things got better for the team, and they played better and they played looser.
I know it's funny because they really didn't put that sort of a push on, resign him. I remember seeing him play up in Hagerstown. I took my son to see him play and you know, you go back to To the way you talk about baseball players and how they are, um, he carried himself in a different way up there even. Which was a little disappointing because usually those minor league guys, especially at a low a double way, those guys are usually really good with the kids in. He's a heck of a baseball player, but in terms of the way he interacts with the fans, at least at the game, I was a little disappointed that now I will tell you, we had a young lady in northwest who had some medical issues and through Make a wish she got to go down to the Nationals facility, she met him. He was fantastic with her. But, you know, on that side of it, was it because he had to be or was that truly who he was, you know, you got to ask yourself that question.
Yeah, I don't think he's a bad person. I just think that at an early age, he was on a pedestal and he had to learn How to say no to a lot of people. And that's how we approach things because, you know, people are going to try to milk you for everything. And he had learned to focus on Bryce Harper and not worry about everybody else. And, you know, that's good to point. But no, I can't imagine being 17 or whatever he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, right? Just that type of notoriety at that young age has got to be very difficult because it's kind of set you up the rest of your life.
You know, I don't know if you can compare him to Mike trout though, because I think Mike trout is a little bit a little bit more well rounded than the player who we watched you a year in and year out. So
he kind of came out and now I mean, I think the angels knew what they had, but nobody else really knew. And he kind of came out of nowhere. So there was an attack. pressure on him. So it was easy for him to kind of take off and I love my job. I mean, I love watching him play. He's, he's one of my favorite players. And I think, you know, he, even though LA is kind of a tough market, the Anaheim Angels, they're not the team. It's the Dodgers that are the team out there. So he just didn't have a lot of pressure on him. But you know, he was a great player. He was gonna succeed wherever you went, but it was I think he had a little bit easier road than Bryce did.
Yeah, I'd say you're right, good, good. Again, the last comment on Harper though, he was in community college playing baseball, I believe it's 16 or 17 years old. So I mean, he's always had a path that they're trying to shove him down, and he's making big money now playing for Philly. So is there a particular moment or should I say a photo that in your opinion, captures the essence of your particular style of photographing? Well, I mean, I
I my my most famous photo and I'm not the only one that got it but was the RG three Superman photo. He's diving in against Cincinnati and his his thinking was the second game of the year. And he had his art I don't know if you saw that photo but yeah, keep diving in and that photo did a lot for me and kind of got me a lot of notoriety and really helped and again, I am just I told the guy next to me I honestly I swear to God, I told him I said, this is gonna be a bootleg right? Because they were coming out as in the end zone. I said, an RG three is going to go right for that corner. And sure enough, he did. I anticipated it. Again, I'm not always right. But I just felt that that was the situation. And he came right at us and I got the shot and I was ready. So part of it was as I was proud of my life, pre pre play prep, anticipating that but also getting the shot Because sometimes you anticipate and you know, your settings aren't right or whatever, or somebody who's in your way. So that was the perfect storm for me and it worked out. Well.
Who called that play?
Who called it? Yeah. Who was the offense coordinator?
Let me call him and probably, yeah,
yeah, he's done a great job. Um, discuss one of the most rewarding times will photographing either the skins or nationals that you had aside from maybe that photo or, or, you know, maybe the Bryce Harper one, just a rewarding time because you had you definitely find joy in it. I hear it in your voice.
I think the neatest thing was taking pictures of a 19 year old Juan Soto that nobody knew of or really anticipated. He was just caught up that day, and I was covering I happen to be covering that game. And just nicest could be signing autographs talking to the fans. I mean, I think his English was was average at best at that time. Yeah. But he was still trying to communicate and sign autographs and stuff. But you know, just grabbing as many photos at him I had no clue who he was, you know, and just grabbing those shots and then finding out later what he ended up becoming. And he was a big part of the World Series team last year. And that was just kind of neat.
He's young kid, too. I'd like him. And I like probably very, very much seen him play in the minor leagues. And now they just you're right, they, you know, see me Don't kids play. They just really enjoy what they're doing. So far, you know, and then when the money comes, maybe it'll change a little bit, but they're still enjoying it.
Yeah, I think he's got a good head on his shoulders. his dad's a good guy, it seems. You know, I just think he's down there. I think he's very focused on on baseball and think when everything's said and done if he's healthy, he'll probably end up having better stats than Harper. When you know push comes to shove at the very end.
Any particular players from Redskins nationals, anybody you photograph hit you up for four photos that you've taken to them. You have a relationship with anybody that I'm
I'm close with a player on the Redskins, is it his dad, and we talk every game on the field. I'm not going to mention I don't want to get into all that. But that's okay. I developed a relationship with his dad and we text each other. I asked him where he's standing. And he's been very good to me and the player has signed a bunch of autographs of my photos that I turn and give to the hog farmers so that they can auction off for charity and stuff and yeah, he's a good guy and That's made it very fun for me. I enjoyed seeking them out every game.
Oh, that's cool. That's always rewarding for you. Um, all right, I've got one last question I asked every one of my guests this question. Um, if being a sports photographer reporting on sports are not a career option, aside from what you do, what would you do in the world of sports? What would I do without the world of sports, if you want to be involved in the world of sports, but you can't be a reporter or a photographer? What other avenue would you get yourself involved in?
Obviously, I'd love to be a GM or a scout, but you know that again, that takes years and knowing people and doing the grunt work to get to those spots at 55. I don't think I could do that now. But if I was younger, you know, I would just think being a scout would be fine. I don't know a lot about it, but I see that This guy's up in the box at football games and stuff. And I mean, they're working their butts off. They're taking notes and writing stuff and communicating. And so it's interesting to watch what they do. I never really see or talk to them. But I know it's not as easy as sitting there with a bag of popcorn and soda in your hand. And well, that is good. You know. There's more to it. But anyway, that's kind of where I would probably go and slow sports. I would love to do just about anything, except for maybe coach to play. Did you play sports when you were growing up? Yeah, I played I played only in high school football and baseball. I was, you know, I didn't go off to college, got married very young and started a family. So you know, I went to school after I got married and had kids but yeah, I still made the most of my life had kids very young and was able to still pursue my My dream I just did it later in life. Actually, I don't think I don't think I would have been ready in my 20s and, you know, I just maturity wise and passion wise and and skill wise I just I just don't think I was ready so God had a plan for me and that was to do it later in life. My my three boys are all grown and they have their own families now so I can do this type of stuff.
I know you're big, big into those grandkids. Yeah,
yeah. 677 number sevens on the way.
That's awesome. That's awesome. You know, there is no timestamp, though. I mean, you, you do you Your life is the way you make it. And I always tell when I teach. I always tell them the same thing. There's no time stamp. And for all the kids that tell me that they want to be a professional athlete. I said, it's okay to have a plan B to you can work in that same field and find a place to be in that field. If you don't you know, the kid who's five eight that wants to be an NBA senator, that's probably not going to happen for you buddy. But you know I try to encourage them along the way Hey, you know have another direction you want to go but in the same field so
it's difficult these days because a lot of these kids want instant success they want to quick money and patience and learning and committing to something and building on something and becoming the best person best employee, Best Worker, best friend, best co worker you can be is not it's not the same anymore and we need to get back to that in this country.
So you know, social media is played such a large impact on a lot of things, including sports and you you really got to walk a fine line when you're on social media and in what would you say and, you know, I'm not gonna lie. There's been times I've started to respond to people and I erase it completely because I'm ready Recognizing that it gets into cyberspace, it's there forever. And it can be impactful. But I don't think young people and I am when I say young people, I'm talking about even guys in their 20s and 30s. Because I'm 50 you know, they don't think like that. They'll put it out there and they don't realize the long term impact. Um, I do this last segment when I have my guests on it's called decade definers. And I break down individuals or teams from from any sport, who were either marquee teams or marquee players during a decade, going back to the 70s. But for you, I'm going to do this a little bit different. I want to get you involved in it. I want you to tell me five photos you've taken from any sport that you are most proud of.
Oh, wow. me on the spot there. Well, of course the RG three one that I told you
about? Yeah, absolutely.
The Bryce Harper photo with the Girl Scout cookies, two of my favorite photos. I have a good shot of Bryce Harper. Hitting a home run on Jackie Robinson day with he's got these special made Jackie Robinson cleats that were kind of cool and he kind of just froze I got him staring at the home run with the Jackie Robinson cleats. They really stood out because they were Dodger blue. And that was kind of cool to me. I thought I being there for Dwayne Haskins first start in Buffalo. Okay. So I got plenty of shots from that game. That was that was huge for me. And I would say probably the photo I took of Mike new baiser with Northwest football when he's coming out and is tough luck. It both our favorite football photos. So that's for Mike.
Okay. He'll enjoy he'll enjoy hearing that definitely. Hey, one question. I Deep forget to mention, they're asking about how many photos Do you take in a game from quarter to quarter how many photos
I should say, on the taken.
Got, I usually use two cameras, two different lenses, you know my wide angle, my short one, I'll probably only take about 300. And I'll keep maybe 50 of those. And then of the, my with my 300 lens, I'll probably take about 2000. And I'll keep about 500 of those. I probably over keep, but I don't just shoot the team that I'm covering, which is the Redskins or whatever. I shoot the other team too, because those guys eventually could become redskin players or they're in the news for something so Molly's taken photos about teams when I can regain brigade and the cheerleaders and fans and the hog farmers And all that so I stay pretty busy I don't I don't take time off. I'm out there. I get out on a one o'clock Sunday game I'm out there at probably 830 in the morning on the field and game oh and about four 415 so that's a pretty long day and then drive home get home about 630 I'll process at home and I'll be up till midnight doing the photos for one day
and I love it one day Yeah,
I bet I bet I get it. Hey, I want to thank you
again for coming on at a it's been really interesting to me to hear all about your work with the Redskins. Your interactions with the nationals. Your top five photos, I'm sure coach new baiser will enjoy that.
You know again, I really appreciate you coming on.
I enjoy Thank you for taking the time to set this up and Hopefully I can help you in the future with future guests.
I appreciate that you take care now. All right mom.