Nov. 23, 2024

Fast Five Shorts | REI Goes After ‘Serial Returners’

Fast Five Shorts | REI Goes After ‘Serial Returners’

In the latest edition of Omni Talk’s Retail Fast Five, sponsored by the A&M Consumer and Retail Group, Avalara, Mirakl, Ownit AI, and Ocampo Capital Chris Walton and Anne Mezzenga discuss: REI Going After ‘Serial Returners’

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Speaker A

REI wants to stop serial returners.


Speaker A

According to Retail Dive, REI is now not accepting returns from a quote, small subset of its members who have repeatedly abused its return policies.


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Normally, REI members would have up to one year to return most items, while non members have 90 days.


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However, according to REI, a limited number of people have abused the company's return policy with an average return rate of 79%.


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This particular group returned $2,400 worth of gear in the past year and $1,400 of that product was used, a spokesperson said.


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As a result, while those members may still shop at rei, the company said they will no longer be allowed to make returns or exchanges.


Speaker A

Chris, something about this headline really spoke to you this week.


Speaker A

You were all in on it.


Speaker A

It was actually a was too.


Speaker A

This is their put you on the spot question.


Speaker A

So I want to know first of all, why this was so intriguing to you.


Speaker A

And then second, let get hit you with A&M's question, which is while on the surface this seems like a potential customer turn off policy, by the numbers given, this impacts less than 5,000 REI customers, accounting for about $12 million in returns and 3 million in non return sales.


Speaker A

With that in mind, Chris, does your mind go to why bother or does it go to why not?


Speaker B

Oh wow, 100% why not?


Speaker B

I mean those numbers, 12 million in returns, $3 million in sales, like that's, that's, that's, that's a huge delta.


Speaker B

Like no, I know, no, no amount of customers should be costing me that amount of money.


Speaker B

$12 million is a lot of money for people and a lot of money that can flow back in the operations.


Speaker B

So like, I don't know, I don't sneeze at that.


Speaker B

But.


Speaker B

So yeah, I think I'm all for REI doing this, but the reason I like this story, and if I step back 30,000 foot view of retail, I think it, it goes into showing us again as this is becoming a recurring theme on the show this year.


Speaker B

It shows you the power of data by way of a membership program, because REI is a membership program.


Speaker B

So it gives them the flexibility to take action like this because they know who those individual customers are.


Speaker B

So that gets me thinking.


Speaker B

Anne, we're hearing more stories about how returns are a problem.


Speaker B

More retailers are starting to charge for them even.


Speaker B

And so it makes me ask another question, which is with all these subscription programs coming online like Walmart plus, what angle do they start to take with returns?


Speaker B

Like, does a Walmart plus member get an extended return policy?


Speaker B

Do the windows get shorter for Non Walmart shoppers, or any loyalty program member, for that matter, at any retailer.


Speaker B

So the headline, to me, just presents, ultimately, a new canvas on rich retailers can paint something we haven't seen before.


Speaker B

And that's why I like this headline so much.


Speaker B

It gets my mind just going in new directions.


Speaker B

But I don't know.


Speaker B

I hope you don't rate on my parade on this one.


Speaker B

I kind of worried that you might, but maybe we'll just be friendly again on this show.


Speaker B

I don't know.


Speaker B

What's your take?


Speaker A

No, I mean, I think this is a definite.


Speaker A

Why not?


Speaker A

I mean.


Speaker B

Yeah.


Speaker A

Okay.


Speaker A

First, I was trying to consider, like, what are the cons here?


Speaker A

You have REI that's in an increasingly competitive space with Dick's Sporting Goods, Public Lands coming online and expanding their stores.


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Bass Pro Shops kind of coming into favor with Next Generation of customer.


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But I really don't think it's that big of a deal.


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I think this is just some bad actors who have really screwed things up.


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Like, it reminds me of being in Catholic school when one of our teachers, Sister Ann Marie, she let us chew gum, right?


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But then some jerks in the class started putting it under church pews.


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They put it under their desks, and they put it on Sister Anne Marie's chair.


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And you know what?


Speaker A

Then we couldn't chew gum anymore.


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So that's what happens.


Speaker A

And if you're going to abuse a policy like this, I think that this is just.


Speaker A

We're going to start to see, like you said, that we're going to start to see more retailers start to draw a hard line in the sand about their return policies.


Speaker A

And I think REI is in a unique position, like, from a PR standpoint, to be like, look, you can't return any things anymore, but you can go to REI resale.


Speaker A

And maybe if, like, if you're going to use these products for a year and then return them, like, here's an opportunity for you to get 10, 20, 40% back on that purchase by putting it into the resale program.


Speaker A

We're done with you.


Speaker A

Stop abusing our returns.


Speaker A

Like, I think.


Speaker A

I think that's what we're looking at here with this story.


Speaker B

Yeah.


Speaker B

And for all intents and purposes, REI's return policy, when you read it, is pretty dang generous.


Speaker B

So, like, they give you a lot of grace.


Speaker B

So.


Speaker B

So they're just basically saying, we caught you, your sister Ann Marie caught you, and you just got to deal with it.


Speaker B

So, yes, any Catholic school analogy is always wonderful, and nice job.