The Whispering Debut Delivers Wicked Metal From Beyond - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you love done to censure. For se wow, for you. Young it it's pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with our next guest. Who oh my god. They have some killer music we're going to talk about. So let's welcome to the show, Lucien from the Whispering. Yeah, it's great to be here with you. Thanks for having me. Oh my pleasure. And I'm back in Florida where it's sweltering heat. You're in France where it's sweltering heat. And uh but there's no global warming. It's just really hot.

0:51 Yeah, bad luck, I guess. I know, right, So tell us what's going on. Let's start there. Yeah, well, I'm I'm here year in a chateau in the about four hours south of Paris, just spending a few days soaking up the vibes here. We just came from Healthfest. I've been in France for about a month I'm sorry, about two weeks now, and it's been a whirlwind, amazing trip. Healfest was amazing, really inspired, just kind of here soaking it all in before I get back into the wild world. It is one of my favorite festivals in the world. Like I saw. Something on Instagram somebody calling it the Disneyland of metal festivals, and I mean that is the perfect, the perfect description of it.

1:39 And it's so good. Did you get to see because they did this year, they did the Ozzy statues and they have Ozzy and Lemmy there. Did you get to see that? How cool was that? It was super cool. I mean every time I see Ozzy anywhere, it's just kind of a reminder I'm on the right path because he was so influential me. And yeah, it's strange that he's gone, but it feels sort of the same because his inspiration is just always bubbling and all the music I make. But it was super cool to see for sure. Yeah, it is pretty amazing about Ozzie, the kind of impact that he brought to the music community as a whole, Like even his last album, just all the people he was doing songs with or not things you would think coming from the Prince of Darkness, which just proves his legacy of that's not all he was.

2:35 Yeah, I mean, he you know, I'm a big fan and student of Randy Rhodes, Tony Iomi as well, Jakie Lee as well, you know, and this lineage of guitarists has the one through line, which is Ozzy of course, And yeah, he's just been the vehicle for so much inspiration for me. And when I was a kid hearing his records, it was the first moment of danger I felt and excite. Man, I shouldn't be listening to this, you know, right, And I've been trying to get that feeling back for so long, and finally the music I'm making now is really a reflection of going back and finding that feeling that like dangerous kind of I shouldn't be listening to this. This is spooky, and it's largely because of my experience listening to Ozzy.

3:21 You know. It's funny you should say that because. Way back in the day, like I saw Randy play with Ozzy and. That was bad. That was badass, Okay, amazing. And then I had this history class where apparently the hit the history teacher I don't know, got sick and wasn't there, so they had the music teacher teaching history. So this music. Teacher says one project the whole class, just do an oral presentation on anything you want, doesn't matter what it is, and that's your whole grade for the class. So I did Ozzy Osbourne Satanism in his music?

4:06 Huh uh huh? And what did you find? I Well, first of all, I had a lot of fun because I got to play Ozzy to the class and bring in all my paraphernalia and stuff like that, and I got an A in the class. Best history class ever, amazing Wow. But you know, oddly though, the Sabbath logo has always been this cross and the guys always wear these big crosses, and it's sort of a confusing message to him. I have never really totally understood that, aside from just the protection against crazy people who are coming at them being an anti religious band, I'm not sure you know.

4:46 Now, you know what that's the funny thing, because Ozzy was like a devout Christian, and you know, they never really made it like Sabbath nor them, never made it like they were into Satan. It was just people assuming. That's how stupid when people look. I remember I used to walk around high school with the Diary of the Madman shirt and I think that's what it is because he looks like, you know, he's the Exorcist on there, and like I remember this girl walking up to me and she was like, you worship the devil, And it's like, it's the stupidest crap I ever heard, just because it's shirt.

5:28 It's so yeah, but it really is a through line of my experience as well, with even starting in high school, when you know, you'd see the guys with the metallica patches on and the jean jackets and long hair end up being the nicest people you could hang with versus you know, maybe the football players are something that are being ready to punch you in the head behind the gym. So it's it's a it's a strange juxtaposition. This this spooky anti religious movement is largely free minded people who don't believe in the dogma or the devil or any of that stuff and really just enjoy the mythology of it all.

6:09 Well that's it. That's it. Like, okay, to me, the whole idea of this fictional character called the Devil, I don't buy it, but it is does make for interesting movies and interesting music, and that's all it really is. It's like there's just a fascination with it. It's not something you actually believe. In my opinion, no. No, And I personally don't either, but I do find the value. And I'm sure you've experienced too, where like you dig into your fear or something in the dark that you may think is more a bigger monster than it actually is, and you have breakthroughs, right, and you discover things by just peering into the dark a little bit.

6:52 And so people that are really afraid to do that, I'm not sure what they're what they're hiding in there, you know, probably nothing, I've got themselves worked up. Yeah, without darkness, Without darkness, there is no light. Yeah. I think you have to have both, you know, and it makes you a well rounded person. But also, like music is an expression of emotion, So a lot of times that darkness that people are perceiving is not necessarily evil. It's just how somebody maybe's feeling at that given time, you know, no matter what it is. Yeah, and not hiding from it, right Yeah, Yeah, I mean I don't want to hurt anyone. I don't want to see anybody hurt, you know, where I often have a wickaned pentagram on and I do. I love the mythology and some of the other connective experiences to nature and things like that that have nothing to do with the devil or any kind of malicious act, maybe a little bit of defiance against what religion has done to our our community and our culture and what it's still trying to do.

8:02 You know. I don't care if people have their own beliefs, but when it starts to infiltrate our lives and experiences, then it becomes a bit more of. An offense, no doubt. Like that's the way I think. It's kind of like you do you as long as you're not intentionally trying to hurt anybody or do anything bad on purpose, you know, like if you are a great human being, I don't care what you believe. That's all that matters to me, you know. And like you said, it was funny because like when I was in high school, Yeah, the jocks used to buy the metal heads and the punks, you know, but yet they were the ones doing bad things and not nice people, where we were just like one family and like the nicest people in New Orleans.

8:51 It's why you mentioned like with. The metallic at backpacks, because my eighties battle vest, like it has some wicked shit on it, but its as a jump in the fire back patch on it. And that was like one of the original Metallica back patches. So I was interviewing Winston from Parkway Drive and I brought in person I like brought sometimes I'll bring it with me at festivals to using interviews, and I just laid it out for him to look at, and he was like, first of all, he was totally geeking out on it, but he was like, when did Metallica have devil stuff? When did they have that? Like, and it's it's funny because you don't think of them, but there is jumping the fire and that's what it represented.

9:39 But they were never devil Worshiper's slayer. I used to hang out with them back in the early ages when they were in the beginning, and they would laugh because tom was like again like Ozzie, a devout Christian, you know, and just because you're talking about certain things and songs doesn't mean you're promoting it. It just means you're rest in your art art, that's it. Yeah, especially back then, right, I mean, like I think Tommy Lee had two pentagrams on his drums, and yeah, it was really used more as an artistic thing. I mean some of the first waves of a second wave rather of black metal, Norwegian and Swedish music has some undertones that they sort of again embraced a bit deeper. Yeah, lyrically and all that, but even still a lot of them.

10:28 You know my friends joke. Now, one of my friends is in a really well known Swedish band and he says, the same guys that were, you know, like this in the coffin now are teachers. Somewhere right exactly, you know, just a enjoy to music. That's all. It's all to me. It's all performed, part of the performing arts. Like it makes it even more of a show, so to speak. Yeah, and it breaks the listener down a little bit too. Right. If if you can create an environment, in an atmosphere and an experience it's kind of immersive, then you can you know, move people and you can inspire people in that space too, because they're they're a bit more consumed with the whole thing.

11:12 I think my whole involvement in metal all my life has made me less of a dark person, not more of a dark person. Like even the Mashpitz, like people have a misunderstand man, the Mashpitz are. Some of the best therapy you can ever have. Like there I think the mashpits have saved some people from me kicking the shit out of them in real life, you know, you know. And the perfect example is like these mosh pits, they go extra hard and in between songs and when the set is over, there's a lot of hugging and write a lot of high fives and it's like, yeah, it is a group therapy session, really. No doubt, no doubt. So tell our listeners about the new EP and what why they should check it out, you know, like, not not from a genre perspective, but as an artist, how do you express your music?

12:06 Well, it's been a long journey leading up to this particular project for me, and expressing music hasn't always been a natural thing, and it's been a process of shedding my ego and my comfort to a place where I feel like I can express it. And with this EP and with the concept of the Whispering, really, to me, it's just a reflection. The messaging is a reflection of just the undertones of the truth. Between all the screaming and social media and noise pollution, there's very clear truth hiding in plain sight, whether it's the environment or even something as simple as the truth in your heart that you know to be there, but you wait and wait until you're ready to finally see it. So the whispering is just that subtle message that is above and below all the madness, and the vehicle for it is this, which metal music that I've loved since I was a kid, since I first heard Blizzard of Oz and some Black Sabbath records, and so it gives me kind of an exciting vehicle to share a subtle message and have fun doing it. This is one of the first records I've made that I truly love and I truly enjoy the music, and that's the key, I think of all the advice I've ever been given in with music, somebody told me if I don't feel it, nobody will.

13:31 Right. I finally got to you, right, So I finally got to that point where I really do feel this and I enjoy it, and that's the best part. And whatever message or feeling it conveys, we'll see. You know, everyone's got a different perspective, but for me, I feel thrilled to be making this music and sharing. Yeah, And you know, I do have to say with that whole feeling, it's so true because like how can can you be an artist that is writing music which is super about passion and emotion If you don't feel it, how is it going to be? How can you portray it to somebody else to feel it? Like you know?

14:12 And people see that, like if you're live on stage, they can see whether you're dialing it in or if this is really like you're in some kind of zone with it and people don't have to get to say meaning that you do out of it. But if you have meaning to it, then people listen. Yeah, No, it is. I think it's also the ingredient moving into the AI world right where now it's more important than ever for people to establish an emotional center to the art they're making. Because I don't know about you, but you know, anytime I listen to a song or see it painting, my mind instantly goes to the creator of it. What were they thinking?

14:54 Yeah? So, And that's the beauty of the connection and translation that music can do that. I don't believe A is quite capable of replicating. You know, no, because there's no human element to the AI. And I think if you listen, like you know, people are making songs with AI. If you listen to these songs. There's not there's no real there's no real feeling to it. There's it's it's like more like an algebraic equation. It's like a very matter of fact with no deep dive. Music should have a deep dive, and it takes you somewhere else.

15:35 Yes, and that's the key, and and then and then again, like going back to the whispering, that is sort of the idea is just to lean in, listen a little closer. It's often a whisper is more compelling than a scream, and so there's there's an opportunity for people in life in general just to lean in a little bit, spend more time with something for a second, you know, go deeper, like you say, like a deeper dive. It's a true story what you're saying about the whispering, because I'm also a public speaker, and they teach you in public speaking that if you whisper, people aren't going to pay more attention because they have to too, because they in their mind it must be important and it must be something they're not supposed to listen to, so they're going to.

16:23 And then get right and then or you can't like hear it, so it's like you try to hear what somebody's saying, you know, And I think that's so key, And I think I'm a big believer in the balance too. There's the screaming and the whispering, and there's a balance somewhere in between where you catch people's attention. Yes, that's right. And with everything going on with social media and the internet, man, I'm so thankful for your music because I think something needs to be said, like, because all this stuff it's make us more social, that's for sure. It's the exact opposite, and it makes us like, I don't know, non really emotional about anything. That's why people become these trolls on the internet because they just don't care, you know, and that whole zero focks given man, like I think you should give a fuck.

17:24 Yeah, absolutely, I mean a man, the zero focks thing. I you know, it's one of my main sources of inspiration because it's very easy for me to want to disconnect from all of that stuff like you're talking about. I'm sure the same with you. You know, we we have other things to do with our time. I mean, I'd rather go for a walk with my love through the woods here in France and not worry about any of that stuff total or anybody else's mess but I do live on this planet and I have some obligation to stand up for the things that move me. And so yeah, with the muse, it gives me kind of an opportunity to engage with that public forum. And you know, like the Whispering Constant, we're a heavy band, so we play heavy music and so you know, the messaging is kind of underneath that a little bit.

18:16 So now just. Invite people to be more intentional, you know. It's it drives me nuts. The world is just losing its intentional direction in every way, you know, and what they eat and what and what we do during the day. A lot of time is wasted and missed and life's too short to miss all that type of stuff. Well, even like what you said, being in France, like people don't experience moments you know, or you know, and even if you're doing something like I know, the one year I did health Fest where it was two weekends, I'm a surfer. I'm like, I looked on the map, I'm like, oh, there's like something the most famous surfing like an hour away from health Fest again, Airbnb there and I'll metle by weekend and surf by week and you know, go check things out. Like you know, I think just anywhere you experience in the world, I'm all about that. Not only that I go to places where the people live, you know, I want to experience the culture.

19:18 I think that's a big thing that's missing in the world. Everybody's like shouting on social media, but they really have no experience of aying the places they're ever talking about, you know, they can only go by the Internet. And I think if you go to those places, no matter where it is in the world, you find a very different viewpoint than you do from just hearsay. And when you talk to people as well, you know, like you're saying, I mean, I love the trip you just described, very similar to the one I'm on now. I was just swimming in the ocean in Saint Marlow a few days ago. Nice, it's fantastic. But yeah, people need to try and they need to talk to other people, and especially Americans. I mean, you got to get out of the United States and you have to see the world and talk to people. And I don't know what this America first nonsense to this, but it's you know, the planet first.

20:16 Yeah, I'm with you too, because I gotta tell you, like I call it the big lie. The first time I ever went to Europe, I had a very different viewpoint of what was told to me my whole life, you know. And it's like, I think people have to get out of their sheltered bubble, especially here in the States. You know. It's like we like to as a perfect example, the first place I went to was Paris, and we like to say here, oh, the Parisians are rude. Now I didn't have that experience. Why did I not have that experience because before I went there, I took like a blitz course on French, and I decided, I'm going there.

20:56 I need to try to speak their language. And a lot of Americans don't do that. They go everywhere and assume everybody speaks English. And that's when the Parisians are rude. So I was going restaurant, said I was butchering the language, but I was getting like the best service. And I remember one server. I said, I don't get it, like in my country, we all talk about you guys are rude, and I have not found that at all. And he said straight out he goes because a lot of your you know a lot of Americans, they come over here, they assume everybody speaks English. At least if you're you're attempting to speak the language. Yeah, you're butchering it, but it shows that you're you're not being some arrogant person from another country assuming you're in their country, because that's what we do. We go to other places and we assume it's our country. Like That's why I love learning all the different cultures, because that's what made me go, like the big lie like that we're the only free country out there. I was like, yeah, no, pretty much every kind I've gone to I've felt free. And even like last year, in between download and hell Fest at three days, it's easy to get anywhere in Europe, as you know, So I popped on an eighty dollar flight to Morocco. Yeah, and you know what, it was a really cool experience for three days. But if you if I would have listened to what I saw on the internet, I would.

22:23 Be like, oh, it's so scary there, don't go there. Were You're in Marrakesh, yes, yeah, in the big markets and all that stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I even learned something. Okay, again, going on the language thing. You know, all those people in the market. Say really hockey, really hockey Agar. Yeah, but I found out if you say no in Arabic, they stop, and I tried it, so I was like low chukra and they just stopped immediately. I could say no, I'm not interested, no thank you, no thank you, and they're just chasing me down. I'd say low schukra and they just left me alone. Yeah, So it is. It's spending that little moment of respect, you know, that's that needs to be happening for me. I try to engage that way with everybody. It's just extend the respect.

23:11 It doesn't attack my ego. In fact, it just makes me a more open and engaging person to meet, or at least I want to be that way, just like you're saying. You know, any country that I go to, I try to learn how to say thank you and hello, and it goes a long way. And Americans have a lot of work to do to break some of the stereotypes that unfortunately we're all being clumped into right now. No doubt, no doubt. And that's where music comes in, and that's where I think artists like you, because music is the universal language. When you go and you play in all these countries that maybe some of the people don't speak English at all, and they're singing your lyrics.

23:51 Back to you. Like what kind of feeling is that? That must like blow your mind right, you know. I mean amazingly. You know. Wait, it happened to me at a club here in Paris where I went to a gentleman's club that a friend of mine was working at it, and one of the dancers was singing one of my songs he played with he was the DJ at the club. So I played one of the songs and he had been playing them, so the dancers knew them, and they were dancing and singing the lyrics to me as they were dancing, you know, at a French club. It's fantastic. I love it, like to see, that's what it's all about. That's why I actually have a solution to all the world's problems. Please please, I say, we have one major music festival like that the whole world is required to attend, except the leaders. The leaders are in a lemna, all the politicians, leaders, you're band, but everybody else. And then I think it definitely specifically has to be like a metal festival because of the love that metal heads have as a community, and just we could all the whole world could work.

25:01 All our broms out in the mosh pit. Yeah there you go. Yeah, yeah, I know. I man, I'm with you. I mean. And this to go back to what you're saying about the metal fans. We were at Helfest the other day and we're watching d Side, which was incredible, by the way. I don't know if you're familiar. With Thanks for making me Joe us go ahead, wow man, but. You know my love and I we walk to the edge of the tent. We're looking and I see a guy in the ad Jason Hockey mask, you know, yeah, like a white beard coming out the bottom. The mask is a little stained, and he sees us right away. And he was one of the more spookier looking guys I saw at the whole festival, and he'd be lined right up to us, and he pulls out his phone and he wants to take a selfie with the three of us. He didn't know we were or anything, but he just liked our vibe, and so of us took a selfie and we hugged it out and went back to death metal. It was beautiful.

25:58 It is so amazing. Like I think even there proves even more what I was saying, because to me, hell Faest is like some of the coolest people and such the coolest vibe, you know, and I do festivals everywhere, and it's like that one that it truly is Disneyland to me. Yeah, extra special this year. You know, one of my bandmates, Dirk, is the drummer and Megadeth, and Megadeth was one of the headliners. Dirk also is involved with Savage Lands, which is a nonprofit that they have, and so they had a whole both this year, which I'm also connected with them, and it was really nice to meet everybody on the ground and then see Dirk jump up and get on stage and do his thing. It just felt like a very big family gathering. It was so special. I can't wait to do it next year. I hope that you're there next year because we're amazing.

26:57 If you were there, I will definitely be there. And I love Savage Lands, okay, Like the whole concept of what they do is amazing. Like I actually first got introduced to them at Healfest when I was interviewing Hilung. Yeah, and then I got connected to them and I'm like, this is the coolest ever, like, and it's so needed in this world. You know. I think they planted a thousand trees on the property of Helfest this year. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And just like all the bands are involved, it just goes to show too again what we were talking about before, you know, all these dark evil bands not so much.

27:45 You know, I think you nailed it when you said earlier about the healthy aspect of releasing that energy and embracing it, and it truly is a liberation of any kind of pent up frustration, you know, young for young kids, even up to adults. You know, we all still feel that triumph and strength of coming through frustration, you know, with Iron Maiden playing in the background, I mean, right, what could be better than. That, you know, exactly exactly. And I think people outside the community don't understand. Like I've had people like I'm fifty nine years old and.

28:26 People are like, you still listen to the metal. I'm like, yeah, I still go into mushpit too. You know. It's like it's funny. I had somebody that worked for me. I had to cover two festivals in one weekend. And she was a country girl, never been to a rock show in her life ever. And I'm like, I need you to cover this other festival because obviously I can't beat two places at once. I said, listen, here's what's gonna happen. It's not all scary like you think. Okay, we're one big family. You're probably gonna make some new friends. You're gonna have the best time of your life. And there won't be a bunch of drunk rednecks game into fistfights.

29:10 We'll be in the mosh pit and there'll be no fights. And she came back after that weekend she was like, oh my god, you're so right. I made all these cool new friends and everybody was so nice, and I tea bagged this guy and now he's my boyfriend. And then she goes. She goes and I have this new favorite band. I don't know if you know who the art called bring Me to Rise, And I'm like, yeah, I think I might have heard of that. But it just goes to prove, like you know, put people in these situations and sit down and have conversations with people different from you, and you're gonna get a whole different viewpoint than the bullshit that's being put in your head. And that goes through every aspect of life nowadays.

29:59 Yeah yeah, well said man. I mean there's so much division right Everything online is either you like it or you don't, You're with this or not. Yeah, it's just sort of maddening. I just hope the cycle breaks. I think, you know, as AI is approaching, it's allowing us an opportunity to step back for a second too and disconnect and go and get into nature for a minute and listen to some music. And I know that I hope. So, you know, everybody needs to escape the insanity. Like I go to Costa Rica a lot. That's how I get off of the world. You know. In the office, Sason totally and my brother will call me.

30:39 I was like, he's like, did you see the news? I'm like no, and I don't give a shit, and I'm going surfing. I have a nice day. Obsessing over that stuff that doesn't change your life in any way, shape or form, you know, Like, you know, people obsess on stuff that they have no control over, you know, and we do have control over the attitude. You have control over who's controlling us. And that's what I'm all about, Like, we need to stop being one way or the other and be human beings against everybody else that's trying and control us. To me, those. Politicians and that leaders, and they're all on the same team. It ain't mine, mine is the rest of the human race.

31:23 Absolutely, Bro, that's so great to hear. I mean, I think a lot of people feel like that too, And maybe it's just a lack of communicating that message itself needs to be more and it's not you dropping out and not caring. It's just you sharing a focusing your energy in the places like that really matter, and not being bombarded with the madness you know. I mean, I don't know, because it does nothing good for you. No, it doesn't. And it's confusing. I was always brought up to think there were checks and balances in government, you know, and these days it feels like, you know, Donald Trump can do whatever he wants, right, I don't know where's the checks and balances. Where are the people that say no, you can't do that. You know.

32:09 It blows my mind. It blows my mind. Some of the people who are his supporters too, because his biggest supporters are the people he would never break bread within a million years that he is actually against and they're being fooled by it. And and it's like, I don't care it. Sometimes there's people I've known my whole life I can't even talk to now because they're just stupid. I can't even say it any other way because there's nothing you could say to them, and they just believe everything, no matter what is said. And like, how how could anybody, I'm gonna say it straight out, how could anybody on the face of the sort of think that he wasn't way more involved with Epstein than you know, they want to think, Like that's just one thing.

32:54 Right, one thing? How could anybody disagree on that? Like, I I don't get. It, you know, I mean, he's clearly involved in it. I think at some point the supporters felt a feeling of power, like there was a movement against the elite and government, and I get it, like it gives them a sense of strength and a defiance and we all love that feeling of defiance and like totally, but now I think it's gone too far, and it's some of them a lot of jump ship and then a lot of people are just trying to save face and quietly right there. But they can't because we're in this situation because of the supporters. So they have to take accountability and they have to be a part of this change now, just as they were a part of ushering this in this nonsense, they're not immune to make being a part of the change. Like, there is still an opportunity for us to meet in a place where Okay, this is beyond ridiculous now, so maybe we could kind of go into the middle and we can move forward together.

33:57 Well that's why I also totally one million percent disagree with Gene Simmons when he sits there and says now that artists should just play their music and not have a voice, Like, of course artists should have a voice. It's always had a voice. Music has always had a voice. And if you have the platform, why wouldn't you use it to spread. Good I don't get that contest. And Gene is one of the pioneers of using his voice and his energy to spread excitement and rock and roll fever. Right, Like the guy's he's a you know, he's I mean, he's so legendary by doing that very thing.

34:37 He's a leader for us in that regard. Yeah, so that's why I don't understand it either, because like first album I ever owned was a kiss album, you know and like, and it was because of that same rebellious nature. Or like, I know some punk bands nowadays that are pro government, and I kind of scratched my head. Isn't the whole idea of being punk being anti government? Anti fascist government? Like when did punks become fascists? Right? I know, it's a little weird to be. Yeah, it's all confused now. I mean, I don't know what people's agenda is. I don't know. That's why I try to just keep it to the larger issues, like you know, women's rights and the rights of the environment and animal rights and things that or less uh, well you'd think they would be less division creating.

35:31 But oldest trick in the book, oldest trick in the book divide and conquer. And that's why I say, forget left, forget right, forget red, forget blue, just be humans and and respect each other. For Like, I have a brother Day's really judgy and he'll say something and I'm like, or maybe he'll say, like they'll say something. He'll say they ignorant and uneducated, I'll say, Or maybe they just have a different career than you, or they come from a different place than you, or they have a different upbringing than you, or they have a different education than you. And you know, the list could go on and on and on, you know, and we need to listen to each other's differences in order to work out our differences.

36:20 I think absolutely absolutely. Man very Well said, well, he's lucky to have you as a brother to give him that calm reflection. And yeah, he probably wouldn't agree. He said I was wrong. Yeah, but you know, it is what it is. It is what it is, and like hopefully, hopefully this pendulum will stop swinging and we'll go to some kind of normalcy, you know, like where we like when I grew up, where you didn't tell people who you vote for, and you didn't treat them like rock stars their politicians, and you knew that hey, if they were wrong, they're wrong, even if you voted for them. You know, Like that's the whole thing. I think you hit the nail on the head. People want to save face. They invested so much in supporting this person and defending this person that they don't want egg on their face by saying they're wrong.

37:16 Yeah, but I mean being wrong is the best way to grow and admitting you're wrong, and you know, those are the keys to becoming a greater version of yourself. So you know, hopefully people will take this opportunity to take responsibility. I don't know. I don't always have that much faith in the collective movement these days, as much as I want to. You know, That's why I think just throwing music into the world so hard, like this is the only kind of real way I can put my hope into anything. It's just doing that, you know, throwing it out there and shaking up something, getting people, just getting people to stir inside a little bit, waking up up them more intention Yeah, letting your wild side out in a really healthy way and celebrating other people doing it.

38:09 Well, that's what's really cool about the whispering because that is the start right there. And if it just if it just makes people stop and think, I think that's what we need to focus on too. Stop trying and convert everybody, just let them think, yeah, you. Know, right, and. Put some intention into things. You know, like we we are part of a larger sort of wick in witchy community. And a large part of the appeal of this lifestyle to me is just intention and doing things with intention, whether it's the food you're eating or it doesn't have to be a ritual, but it has to be just a moment of intention and acknowledgment. And those little moments add up to a life of intention and it's so much richer, and you stop making bad decisions and you start seeing the consequences of flipping decisions, and so yeah, a little bit of intention and just like it's it starts by waking up in the morning looking at the person next to you, or if you're by yourself, looking yourself in the mirror and just being grateful for a minute that you're there. You have another opportunity another day to do something.

39:21 Like that and have some caring, you know, like you don't have to agree with another human being to care for them. You don't have to agree even with environmental concepts. To care for the place you're living. Like, you know, you may not believe it's ruined the environment, but just put your trash in the garbage. It's one simple thing it's like people are like, oh, well, you know, but it's all a bunch of books, So who cares? You throw the trash on the ground too, exactly exactly make yourself look like that, you know, no doubt and we only have, like, you know, one planet, and we're getting rid of most of the environment.

40:03 You know, Listen, I live in South Florida. Look at what we're doing to the Everglades. Don't you can't tell me that we're not screwing shit up? You know we are. I mean, the science is there, this is this is the you know, the whispering is more of a scream when it comes to this, because it's very clear that what we're doing to the planet in the environment is catastrophic. It's not really an opinion, but it's whether people want to ignore it or just be culpable by disassociating and pretending it's not their issue. That's really really and what's the big deal? Like that's what I always think to myself, what's the big deal? Okay, so you have to do.

40:45 Some effort to make things look cleaner and nicer, even if you don't believe in the environment. Don't you want like your surroundings like don't you want Like I drive by, I see them chopping down trees in Florida to put up strips that are usually end up empty because they build too many of them. Like what was the point? You know? Or you know you're saying, well, these species are being invasive. Well, they're being invasive because they have nowhere to go because you got rid of their environment, you know. And I could go on and on and on about that. My actually, I don't know if you noticed, but my best brow of life who passed away a couple of years ago, but he was a big time environmental icon in LA. He was involved in well not involved, he actually did. He restored the Malibu Creek and the Malbu Lagoon.

41:39 He's the one that did the Mountain overpass on the one oh one. And like the crap he. Would get, even from some music artists, you know, he would get such crap because, oh, you're ruining my view. I guess they didn't care. That was bringing back vegetation that hadn't been there for hundreds of years, bringing back trout that were considered extinct. That doesn't matter. It's your view view that matters. I mean, come on, and isn't exactly, and isn't it a better view now that the Malibu Lagoon is in good shape? You know? And he would build all those parking lots and ring gardens all through SoCal and his name's Mark Abramson. He was very involved with Heela Bay, Santa Monica Bay Keeper, and sam Monica Bay Foundation. And he used to go before Congress like in cargo shorts and yell at them.

42:38 And he used to sue. Companies and stuff because people just didn't give a crap, and he had a great philosophy about it. He used to say, I don't care if they build the building. I'm just saying build it here instead of here. So he would get into these arguments with these major companies like like uh, I think it was Washington Mutual or wanted up Banks and they wanted to build a building. He just wanted them to build it a block away and they made a big deal about He sued him, he won, and they couldn't build where they want. But that was his points, like I'm not saying don't build your building, don't run your I'm not saying don't run your business, just don't do it here when you could do.

43:19 It right there. And have the same benefits and save the environment. Abramson, that's amazing. Thank him for everything he's done. That's those are the type of leaders we need people like. That, no doubt. And then as soon as Trump got elected in twenty sixteen, what did he do. He got rid of all environmental funding in the state of California. Yep, and I released the missions laws and missions laws, you know, allowing companies to prove to pollute areas again, you know, and make more money that way. I mean, it's it's small, it's short term thinking. And then again, that's one of the things that we want to encourage people to do, is just to think beyond what's directly in front of them.

44:03 You know, I'd say, and I say that out to young people because like when I was a teenager, you probably I'm probably at an attitude like who cares? Like, you know, because you think that there's no going, not going to be impact. And now here in my fifties, I see the impact of the stupidity of what happened then, you know, and the impact. I hope the teenagers now are seeing it a little bit. You know, this is a generation that's come up having computers, and cell phones, and they didn't get caught in the transitional period as much. So I think they see through a lot more of that. They know how to recognize things that are fake online, they're used to that, they're used to that filtering system. So I have faith in the younger generations that they will have more critical thinking, even though it seems like we've lost a pathway to that.

44:55 I do think younger kids are a little more hip to the fact that the intern that maybe a facade. I'm hoping, I think on your and to your point, I think they're less about conforming in any other generation before, you know, and let's hope that sticks as an adult, you know, because I always think of the hippies. The hippies became the yuppies became the boomers, so like if they were just stuck hippies might be all right, yeah. Well, and then their kids, you know, we became hippies and and so we can carry on that, like you know, you and I we're still hippies at heart. He maybe we'll break the cycle.

45:39 Yep, that's why. And with organizations like Savage Lands and others out there like that, like hopefully we're on a turn in the other direction. Maybe sometimes you just gotta My bro used to say, like, I think we just need to break the whole system and start over. And I think that's what's happening now. Yeah, So let's hope. Let's hope, man. I you know, I don't know where I find the hope because it's really hard sometimes it really is. Yeah, But you know, being at Healths for example, and watching Behemoth and seeing everybody united and smiling and having so much fun watching such a wild show, it was so inspired me. And it was like things people can unite over the most interesting things, and when they do, there's a wave of strength and it can move the needle.

46:39 You know. It just takes the right the right gathering and the right push of momentum. Totally, and bands like you and your music I think helped the cause, which is why Savage Lands connects with bands, because you know, I think, as going back to every beginning, music's the best therapy, and I think music sue it's a savage beast, and that savage beast could just be the crap we're going through right now. So well said Bro, it's so great. So and you talk nationally with people all the time, and it's amazing that you have this energy and are coming from this place. I'm just really grateful for you. It's so refreshing and fantastic to connect well.

47:22 Thank you and thank you for what you do and keep making us some great music. Oh I planned to, man, I got an incredible band, so I can't help but get in there and do that nice. So let's get everybody out there. You can't listen to my show unless you check out the Whispering. You're banned for my show. But really it's some. Badass music that let's just all feel happy and love each other. And that's what music does, and that's what the Whispering is doing. And so thank you for that, and thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. It's my pleasure. Man. I look forward to connecting with you again absolutely anytime.

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