The Magic of Metal Festivals: Venom Inc and Pipeman on Friendship and Community

0:04 Hy you have done to censure? Wow for you you. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I am here with the Demolition. Man and Kurn Murphy from Mink. Yes. Now, this is fucking great because I didn't even know you guys were here. I went out to get some food for like the first time all weekend, and I'm like, holy shit, look at this. And that's what I love about Bloodstock is you just run into a bunch of old friends, new friends, family, like this is the ultimate metal festival for the ultimate metal family.

0:53 And venom Innk is here with me. Yeah when you when you when you saw us? I didn't even Alie were here at it. Don't tell. I mean we snuck in, so we're actually not supposed to be a don't tell security. Yeah, don't tell. We won't tell them. People ask me about, like, well, what's it like playing these metal festivals, and it well, it's a lot of fun, of course, you know, we get to play for you know, twenty five thirty thousand people. But the real fun is almost after the show, when you get to run into all the bands that you're friends with, all the press people, all the photographers. It's almost like a summer camp reunion with alcohol. So it's it's, it's it is one of the big fun things. Like you said, you didn't even know that Tony never gonna be here, and now here we are saying, you're having an interview and a great conversation.

1:40 And then Tony didn't even recognized me because I'm wearing a pink shirt. That the pink shirt for a mod metal right, yeah. I was like, oh my god. Yeah, but that it's something outs I love about Bloodstock because of Sophie Lancaster who got killed for being a goth. What was stupid fucking shit, And so they pay homage here at blood Sock and Saturday every year, the whole place is supposed to wear pink. Yeah, so all these badass metal heads. In pink, we all do it. We all do it. He's got the pink phone. And you know there's you know, I just had a bank called in viewer and played the Sophie anchas that's age and I did a single with him, so I jumped up to sing it. But that whole stage which they've been lodged this year, which is the second stage, is the Sophie Ancas passage, and I gave a whole load of memorabilia and stuff to the Sophie Lancaster Foundation that they're gonna ochin off and and that's the whole community.

2:39 Yeah. Talking to someone in the ring in the arena and I gonna do a quick interview and I'm like, okay, And there's his wife and then he started talking about the festival we did and said, yeah, I'm going again next year. And so it's my daughter because it's it's my birthdays at the beginning of the month and her birthdays at the end of the month. And I said, oh, that's creazy when there's my daughter there, and I went, oh, hi, well you do it's amazing. Yeah, these are my grandchildren. And it's like that's Bloodstock. Yeah, it's like everybody three genuations. I'll describe Bloodstock by what I experienced the first day. Yeah. So there's a band I interviewed at VAKIN last week. I didn't get to catch their set, so I caught their set here and I was in a mosh pit with a bunch of dinosaurs.

3:22 Ye heavy Soaurus yesterday. Yesterday it was. The banana moshpit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And then there was that first day after that band I interviewed earlier in the day, Evil Scarecrow. Yeah, and they had a crab marsh pit and a spider marsh pit. And I'm sending it to my kids and my daughter's like, what the heck. I'm like, that's what it's about. Over here, We're just having fucking fun. When when we all talk, particularly of the times we're in and there's an emphasis on freedom, I'm gonna say, it's like, you know, when you're free is when this is happening, when the music's happening, and when when you walk around that arena and you see dinosaurs and you see I saw a girl dress yesterday as a Judy Goland from The Wizard of Oz with the and everything.

4:11 I was like, nice, why you dress? Says that you? And why not? I was like, that's as why not? That's a great reason, And I said, that's because I can nobody's judging anybody. Nobody's judging everybody, and you can see. People from two to fucking eighty two in here and nobody cares. And it's like, wow, we're really a family, We're really a community, And there's such a wonderful community atmosphere. We've come a long way since the eighties. Well that's that's the other thing, you know, I have obviously being from the US and American metal festivals in this I have people asking me, well, what do you think of Bloodstock? What is this your first UK metal fest? I'm like, it is my first UK medicals and it's awesome and why and because it's just there's this real vibe and feel of everybody is just happy and having fun.

5:06 If somebody, you know, God forbid, if somebody were to be injured or hurt, I feel like twenty people who didn't know that would still come. Around one million percent. Get you some water? Did you get hurt in the pit? What's going on? Like you'd be taken care of? The feeling even the security that you know they're walking by here and they smile at. You, right, they're so nice. And in the States does mean like that you feel like you're dealing with corrections office are in present. Even the vendors here, it's like it's actual small business vendors, people who make these incredible you know, leather gauntlets and these belts and all these great things, and they're here whereas at American festivals it's like shirts dot Com, you know, and it's it feels so corporatized.

5:55 I love the merch here better too, because it's so cool for community. I bought this the first day. Look at that fucking jacket. Yeah, you would not You would not find this. No, I've never found. It's got safety pins and ship all over it, jackets or you know, what have you. And it's just such a cool community, even like like the. Jewelry you're wearing. I look in the States and I never find anything cool. Here. There's like so much cool. Ships or either gifts from fans or or they're like I'm. Walking around the way he's showing his ring. That's cool. Yeah. So like this middle one here is literally a gift from a fan in Santiago, Chile. Nice my second show ever with Vanameka, and I was just walking around and they're like, hey, I was looking for a ring maybe, and they're like, here, this is a gift for you, thank you for playing, Like.

6:47 Wow, thank you. So I always always wear this one I'm out. On the road, I can. I can also tell you from a press perspective because I do all the US festivals I do down my I do Bloodstock, I do hell Fest, grasp Op, Valkan resurrection Fest and a whole bunch of them. But I love the UK because the people that run the media and the people that run the festival, especially here at Bloodstock, they just treat you like you're fucking great. And in America they treat press like they're doing you a favor, like I'm giving you promotion, and they treat you like they're doing you a favor.

7:30 Here. First I was here her right there, Kirsten, she runs media in here. The first time I came here, I said something to her like thank you, and oh no, we realize that without you there's no festival, you know, I mean, like that makes me want to come over here. The hard thing too, is you know, the European UK festivals they vet their press, so only real press is here and they all look out for each other. In the US, you walk away from your ship and somebody, some other press person's taking it and like you take that from a photographer, they can't afford to replace it. Millions of dollars worth, I mean thousands of dollars worth of equipment, and you'll just take it from somebody. I remember the first time I did download, I got friendly with this one photographer and he was walking away leaving all the equipment there.

8:20 I'm like, you're gonna just leave it there? He goes, Yeah, we all look out for each other here, nobody's gonna touch it. Yeah. What a fucking great concept, you know. Right. It's about that community. We all see that without each other, none of us exist. So we need. As a musician, you need. You need the press, you need the fans, you need the promoters, you need the technicians, you need everybody you can pay. Learn your bit on your house. But because you bought a guitar, But if you want to go beyond that. You need people. No, no doubt. We succeed or even when you just do it, and success is meads up by yourself, not why somebody else's achievements.

9:01 So when do I succeed? So I'm putting a live short now when there's ten people there. Everybody facilitated it on the wheel. I didn't do it by myself. And nobody feels like a competitor. Okay. I talked to all these bands that do Melton and masses. They never feel like they're competing even though they are the press people. I have so many press friends in here that don't just bring interviews over to me, you know, And it's like, that doesn't happen a us. You do it on your own. I'm one that will. I'll help the other people. But they're all like, oh, I want to hold onto this because it's it's my interview and I'm not gonna give it to anybody else. So I have a cool story that ties in with this. So I build two guitar amps. And one of my mentors, the guy who taught me how to builds, his name is Bruce Ignator.

9:47 He's in my circle. He's world famous. And I told him I was going to start an amp company and instantly said, well, Current, if you ever want any designs or schematics or this or that, I'd be more than happy to And I stopped him and I said, but wait, Bruce, aren't we going to technically be competition? And he goes, oh, Current, no number. There's so much money on the table, no one man is getting it all. Don't worry. Don't worry about that ship. I love that attitude. And then, and before I had started my amplifier company, that reset my entire mindset on my business. If there's I can never take all the money, so I don't have to be an asshole. I can help other guys who fix amps build amps. Is in that because it'll come back to me in a good way. And it's and it's the same thing here. We all go out and try and play our asses off. It makes the fans happy and excited, and so it's easier for the next man to come out and play their ass off, and the fans are already up and excited, and so it becomes this beautiful circle of good things.

10:48 And the thing is too, is if you're really confident in what you do, you don't deem the. Others as a threat. That's the people that will hold on to it because they're not secure with how well that. I always help other press people because I have enough confidence in how I do things that I don't need to worry. There's nothing to worry about to. Worry about, that's exactly. There's enough for all of us, you know. And that's true of anything. And I just love I do love over here in the UK. I'm sure you've had this experience already too. It's like I always feel like all my friends are here. Everybody's so cool. Like I came here Thursday for the first day and I'm walking up and like ten people like hey, what's going on?

11:37 Like and I haven't seen them in a year. You walk ten feet with this guy without somebody stop. I know, right, but yeah, or. Even the funny thing of just walking around like you've got to drink in your hand and somebody. Like walks, oh so sorry, so sorry to walk. Oh okay, right that we wait, we went when we arrived, we went straight to the New Bits. It's a single band someone else. Oh could you get there? But twelve We've got to say yes, of course. So they won a competition. But East ang there, so we went across to see them. On the way there, there were several people like bumping trying to and on the way back, several people every singles. I'm so sorry, oh excuse me, Oh that's very English.

12:18 But it's like they're concerned that they're bumping into each other. What's the first thing you guys say to people are the times and say hier or hello. It's like you're right, yes, exactly, like my friend's in there. Right. They're always like you're right. That's how they say hello. And the difference is the difference is if you said not really, they would go what's wrong? Or they'd engage with you to go, what's happened? Are you okay? Can I? Yeah? In the States, they don't care. It's just a word. It's just a word. It's like, yeah, I have a nice there. But whether you do or not, I've just got to say that, so right, like right, do you want me to have a nice dare? I guess yeah? And it's like all right, so you're just saying it. But someone goes, I hope you have a nice dad? Do you hope you have a nice deer?

13:04 Yeah? If they say you let normally nice hee. They are the kids who know what happened and they'll want to do something about that. In a circle pit out there, one person falls, me, him pop, looking the ship of each other in the ground and everything else. One person falls down, everybody picks up personal. Yep, I'll tell you what happened to me at download one year I was in to bring me the horizon pit and there was this really big dude. He made you look small and uh no, no, no, big as in big as in like but he uh and tall, and and he was going in there like typical of those kind of dudes. Like there's two kinds of big dudes. There's the dudes that are just the big pussy cats that they realize you're smaller dudes, so they don't hit you so hard in the pit. And then there's the others that come in that are the fucking boys, and they're the ones I love in a respect of I'm a little dude. I will come around the pit and like Mike Tyson, I'll come down and come up with my elbow and I'll be on their side of pit before they see who hit him, you know, because I think they're fucking assholes.

14:09 But what was cool was this dude. He was super huge and he kept picking on people, and this one dude turned out to be his size and walked up to him and he's like, let you pick on somebody your own size, and fucking removed them from the pit, and that dude wasn't allowed in the pit again. And that dude was literally scared. And that's how those bullies are. They're always scared when somebody backs them up. I learned while I was a little kid, my brother taught me because somebody was bullying me, and he said, just fucking knock him out because they're pussies anyway, and if you knock them out, they won't bully you ever again.

14:54 And that's what happened, you know. Yeah, exactly. And then that's it. And I think, you know, you get a lot of contemptuousness people walking around, you know, trying. To be you know, something they're not. And yet you come to blood Sukia and I went out there now and big anybody around him, you know, the ugliest will go on the planet, the biggest, most of the I said, you. Couldn't get me a hid I know, they go, oh yes, I have not met one asshole at Bloodstock, And I've been doing this festival for years and everybody and they're still not an asshole that. Gets ugly at the end. Everyone's everyone's pissed. It's still funny. There's no there's no underlying like this could kick off in a room.

15:37 Oh no, I've met totally so many people because that that serpents layer out there. People will be getting pretty drunk at like two in the morning, and I've met people that were so pissed that they would be the type you think we get into fights and they're still like lovey dovey. They're more like, oh I love you man. Yeah, everybody. Yeah, it's just that that vee here, that there's just that energy here exactly. I'm walking in here at ten am, yeah, doble jack, diana'sn't cool and drinking that till at twelve am. They're like so old day and running around and. You think, like, fucking hell, this is something Shit's gonna go down somewhere. And the security of the best job here because they're all friendly, they're all available, and they're all kind, they all want to help you, and everybody respects.

16:27 I saw it during one of the shows, I forget which one was security having their own circle page. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never fucking seen that in my life. Is that just that's. Fucking amazing, man, Like, that's the story that's wholding me. And Vicky, who is one of the. Founders, Okay, yeah, I saw on her Instagram and I talk to her every year. She's the nicest person. And the somebody asked her, are you going to try and turn this into a download? And she didn't even hesitate, she said absolutely, fucking nun They have their place, we have ours. We're perfectly happy with it being like this and having our metal family here.

17:10 Yes, and that's what makes us scrap. That's that you hit the nail on the head. There from from Paul, you're meeting artist Adam, other security, Alan Hungerven Vicki, Real Joe, you know, or the family do it and so everything is an extension of their family. So we're raal family. It's like they've just expanded their family. They had their siblings, you know, the sisters and their brothers, and the mom and their dad, and now they've got like twenty eight thousand people or the rest of their family. And we feel it so because it's it's not just an enterprise. It's not just a money making machine. It's not just someone's conjured up some kind of thing to oh, I could do this. It's like Emily from a family who was so impassioned Paul's art worth, a saxon and everything else. It was so impassioned. He was in that he wanted to do more. How can we do more?

18:02 This is what we can do. And that's why it's a family, from the first person to the last. Person, no doubt about it and the community here that pays homage to everything. Like the year Ozsie passed, they had this whole area that I signed that you could sign for Ozzie last year, that too, last year Machine adds on and I had tears because Rob Flynn did this dedication to Michelle Kerr, who used to be running this media attend I loved because she used to just hook me up with everybody for interviews. She was such an amazing human being, and like he made this whole dedication.

18:51 Everywhere when quiet went, Oh my. God, it was unbelievable, like and it was it was funny too, because like he was talking about her drinking and he's like, she could drink anybody under a table. He's like, she's had me come drink with her, and there would be some point and I would just tell her I'm tapping out, like nobody could keep up with her, you know, and just that kind of thing. Like I was so moved by it. But that I saw a couple of months later Rob at Louder than Life. I think it was in the States, and I've never met him.

19:31 I've never interviewed him, and I've walked up to him and I just at press and I just said, I just want to say what you did from Michelle that was fucking amazing and it brought tears to my eyes. She was amazing human and he goes, yeah, she was the best, and I just said, and I shook his hand. I'm like, that's all I wanted to say. I walked away, like you know, because that's what I really felt like that he went out of his way door in the set to do that. That says everything said everything. And you know the thing is, you couldn't say that he would do that vacuum for someone in Vacon, or you could do that Alcatrazer, someone, Algatez, someone that that.

20:13 However, everybody here and you who he's talking. About exactly the whole placed, and he was headlining the whole place. You know why I love to speaking about machine heead it's a due the surprise bands here that play in in like the Sophie Lancaster stage one year as machine Head, fucking machine Head playing in a tent and it was like, oh my god, like, what other festival do you go to that that happened? Surprise right, very cool. Exactly, it's looking for ways to keep everybody is ingreds in each other and have access to these people because you know you might miss it in a sting team that want to how.

21:01 Do we do something? How do we then do something extra to bring them to bring them all together? And that is another way. It's the fucking pillow fighting over there. Oh my god, that's the funniest. Ship meta rhobics. It's like getting weak. I know, it's the funniest ship ever, silly and so fun. I mean, come on, well, that's. The point, Like, well, it's an interviewing Evil Scarecrow. They were like, we don't take ourselves so seriously. We're just having fun. And I think that's what we have to learn, is some metal heads be to stop taking themselves so seriously. It's about fun, it's about community. We got enough seriousness in the world. This is our escape from all that shit.

21:46 Escape. Yeah, it's our escape. Yeah. Yeah. We can still be in Congress and we can still feel what we feel and and say what we want to see it. But this is our freedom from all of that. Exactly. You can close the door for a few hours, for two d's, we can get rid of that. It will still be there when we go back. I'll just give us and you know it's interesting. So I have this solution to the world's problems, and you want to hear it. Thank of course. So we have one major metal music festival that the whole world is required to tend, except the political leaders.

22:26 They are banned. Security has strict instructions. You're not allowed in, and put everybody into the mosh pit. We'll all fucking work it out and give each other a hug at the end, and we'll all be friends again. Didn't We almost kind of have that with the World Cup. That's true, when you had all of these nations, all these countries of fans coming to one country and getting way hammer drunk, watching sports and everybody laughing and having a great time, I mean exactly, drank Boston dry and then up they then cleaned. Up, right, you know exactly. That's the key. Keep the fucking political leaders out of everything.

23:10 Yeah, the politics telling us we're supposed to hate each other. Everybody had a great fucking. Time, Yes, exactly. And I find that a lot of people in the States they call us brainwashed for saying ship like this. You're brainwashed by listening and treating these politicians like the rock stars and you're fan growing or fan going out and. Thinking they have actually give us ship. I have this thing. They're two sides of the same coin and they're on the same team, and it ain't fucking mind. Yeah, yeah, I. Don't care what side of the political offense you're on, any of them, doesn't matter. Yeah, self same self manipulating for self interest, and that's it.

23:54 So it's like, okay, well then if we're if you're all on the inside, you're on the elite, and you're. All in, well then we'll be a happily on the outside. So we'll do. All things and you do yours, and. So you do yours and you'll be happy with and we'll. Be happy exactly. I'm trying to go shortly st I'm trying to you know, read from it, you know, like that sometusic. The industry itself, the music industry itself is leading of the artists and the fans. It's like, bro, do we need to do that? Do you need to do that? I don't you need to do that. A profit is a profit. Ten books is a profit. A thousands, great, but if you mean ten you mean a probit. Do you have to take everything from everybody. And well, that's why I have a problem with Spotify as an example, and that's I mean, yeah, exactly, I am not decided to Spotify. I pay licensing, I pay royalties.

24:47 I pay more royalties than they do. Like there's something fucked up with that, yeah, you know. And then on top of it, you know, like the only way an artists I always say my shirt when I do interviews, buy the merch of the artist, or else don't fucking listen to my show, because that's the only way you get to the next gig, exactly, because you can't make money any other way any fuel in. You're gotta eat something and you're gonna get exactly. Nobody's getting rich off of it. They know where to do it without that support, without that financial support. And if that's buying a teacher, then buy. A teacher exactly. And the lower level vans, you know, you're buying a teacher with twenty books. Okay, you might get fifty books for a big van because there's some kind of colprid thing being added to that. But the Band of Pleasure local troupe, just go buy this ship, see the shoe.

25:38 That's the only way they eat you know. Well, helping them to keep you alive, and that's what you're doing. Well, there's obviously you know, buying the merch is a huge help, you know, And as a fan wanting to buy merch, I think is is kind of ingrained, at least. In my mind. Well, one thing I'm I personally think I'm seeing is that people are sick of paying money and not only anything, Yeah, your subscription models. When a company like Apple can decide, well, these two albums by your favorite band we're not gonna have on our streaming platform because for whatever reason. And so you're paying fifteen or twenty dollars a month and you can't have that, So now you got to go buy it anyway. People are realizing, oh, I don't own this.

26:21 I'm essentially giving you money for. Nothing the right to listen. Yeah, so now you. See things like CD sales spiking and vinyl sales have been spiking for the last decade. People want to hold it in. Their hands, tend it up and own it, and it's mine. I get. I have a stack of vinyls that when I leave to serve, that's going to my kids. Yeah, yeah, you know. I would think about that, would couldn't seeing that. I think it's interesting. It's like paying I don't know, fifty books, twenty books, one hundred books, two or their looks blood stuffing you coming yereah. And then I go, I'm gonna go and watch whoever it is. I'm gonna watch it never more. And then they go, right, how many songs do you want to hear? We'll put these plugs in so you can't hear any but how many do you want to listen to?

27:08 All of them? Okay, so that one's like about fifty. That's about fifty. That was about and I go, all right, so I've got to pay a year, well, depending on how many songs you want to listen to. It's like, but I pez to come in. Can't I just hear them? And say? No, really you can write exactly? The model is that it's like it's it doesn't do anything for the artist. You're just taking money for nothing. And how can someone, you know, a massive artist, a massive artist can like four a million. Streams on it and get like fifty fifty books exactly? How is that? It's insane? It's insane. It's the money. Where was the money? And remember when the laws came on. But then that stort of thing. Oh he was right, I said all the time.

27:49 Exactly I was. I was the only person that I knew and know. Yeah, I can see what he means. And everybody slagged him off there with all of it, how much money he wants to want to wreck. And it wasn't about because I was right too. It was about, like he said, it's the control of. When we released that song. If you want to trade that song and tell your friends about it and give it away after you buy it, we don't care about that. We only care about how we're allowed to present that song to our fans. The mixes that were on Napster, the things that were being tape traded on Napster were unfinished, rough mixes, missing parts. And that was the argument, and that's what got lost in the in the discussion of what was going on.

28:35 And yeah, Lars was right. Yeah, And when people forget they give him a lot of shit. But Lars and the rest of Metallica were poorer than poor for many years. They paid their fucking dues, you know, it's not like they woke up and they were millionaires. Yeah, And the thing is just because they were smart enough to be advised to go, you should form a company and put the money through the company in actually do it as a business. Because they were smart enough to do that. It was going, all right, they're all about the money. It's like, no, they're still a band within. It's still their business, and it's still their livelihood. You see themselves business? Yeah, and how much expenses do they have too?

29:15 Yeah, exactly. The bigger the band, the bigger the expenses. You're going to you're going to complain about Metallica, who's got a lot of money. You are really made because they were smart enough to set the business. But not this man Teve Purple, let's here, who. Made no money because the company sold all the money. Well, which almost the smartest one. Then, exactly, Like I remember back in the day of the sunset strip days and the record labels throwing money at these bands, but they were also throwing the drugs and the women and everything else so they could steal all that money back. Yeah, like they didn't. They didn't get to keep that money. A million books, of course you can because you have a jollity and maybe like one hundred thousand. So you've been dead to me forever, out all all of your still for perpetuity a long after you're gone, as to.

29:59 Be making money, the next person must be making money. We'll own it forever. You don't own it forever. Yeah, you want it for five minutes? And how you could out? Could somebody buy in an auction? Like? It did really bother me when Michael Jackson could buy outbid Paul McCartney for the rights of his music? Yeah, his music? What the like? No, if it's definitely crazy, Yeah, if it's your music, it's your fucking music. Like nobody should be able to have enough money to outbid you for your own creativity music. Yeah, yeah, it just biz. Yeah, but thank god we have bands like you guys who are fucking real rich who.

30:45 And massive and. Sexy, warm, friendly, funny, funny. We can groove. We got done, says there you go. Web feat Yeah we got web beat. No great swim. Sometimes it just has to be real. We turned up with the first show. But this is closing because we've gone on too long. But we we we we were very fortunate enough to be offer to do the Black Label Society to have played and we turned up with the first show in Glasgow and they said, all right, you can set yourself up and stuff. And they came to me and said, like, where's your backdob? What backdob? You don't have a backdrop? No. It was like, oh right, I mean because like I said, well, why do I need a backdrop? I mean, we just didn't have one. So I had to play I'm cool about it at Leistai about what what you know, the backdrop is kind of important?

31:30 I said, what for? He said, well, you know, so people know who you are. Said, there's only two fans on the bill, and we're not Black Label Society. Yeah, so I don't need a backdrop, And I said the USB. I said, yeah, I've got the intro in the US V. King or I can't use that if you got another media form, I said, don't, don't. We don't need an intro. Then, so what are you gonna do. We're gonna walk on. Stage, we're gonna plug in, and we're gonna stop playing. A concept that's roll. And people were coming up and going, even in reviews they were going they just kind of came on. There was no fan for they just started playing and then played it left and. The music was the thing now ideally did we want all that to look like that? And belet know, it was a practical situation, but the music was the thing that carried out, and that's always the thing. All of the rest is the great time, but the music speaks to the people. The people speak to the music, and it's us together. You support us and we support you.

32:23 And then the best part about your band, good human beings. Thanks man, that's the best part. But yeah, no, like Tony's saying, if you distill everything down to its base core, it's putting on a record or putting on a CD and hearing those songs. The first time I heard kill Them All, it wasn't at a Metallica concert. It was on a cdy little Sony Walkman portable with my earbud my headphones, and that's when I heard Metallica Kill them All for the first time. And so if you can still make people enjoy your show and lose their minds and Moss and all this great shit by just walking out and going here, it is and Metallica can do that. Metallic all those records store. I think are they show up and it's like fifty people and they play.

33:07 And it's awesome. Yeah. The best part of Metallica's live show used to be Phil ten bagging. Oh yeah, yeah. It was like one of the best head beggars ever. Well, there's a business and it's a reality, and there's an honesty. Yeah, I like yourself. You just be honest. This is how it is, this is how we feel. This is what we do. And you can like it and you can dislike it. You can follow it, you cannot follow it. There's lots of varias and there's lots of choice, but at least it's real. It's really it's tangible. You can touch it, you can smoke it, you can eat it, you can smell it. But at least it's real. And that's what we want. That's what I wanted as a youngster, and that's what this generation.

33:49 Wants, and that's what venom And gives answer. And I'm so happy I bumped into you at Bloodstock. That was fucking those kids met right there. I mean, and thanks for once again being on the adventures of pipe Man. Thank you so much. And don't forget this about this man. He is a king among king subscribe Is that is that what the kids say? Yeah? Right? And one of the biggest publicists in the United States. She named me long time ago, the King of all festivals. You are, Yeah, I mean that's a tag, that's a ta. Love you, guys, Love you. Thank you for taking the time for us.

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