SYMETRIA Release New Single + Lyric Video The Game via Curtain Call Records - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure wow for you your. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with our next guest, uh who has some killer new music that we want to talk about, a new single and oh my god, I love all the story about the whole thing. So let's welcome to the show, Symmetria. How are you good? Good? How you doing that good? So now I have the most important question right now, most important? Did I pronounce your band name right?

0:46 Actually? Yes? You did? Wow? Okay? Great? As Like my worst fear is like. That's a bad way to start an interview, you know, And so if if I'm not one hundred percent sure, I'll ask like that just to make sure, or I'll just. Make fun of myself for fucking up. Hey, don't worries, man. You know, it's happened so many times. We've joked around and we got to pull the old Leonard Skinnyard pronounced some met Tria for one of these albums at some point. Right exactly, you know. And nowadays it's so hard to find a band name that band names are misspelled, they're pronounced differently than you would think so I never assume with any band name right that I'm pronouncing it properly right right, because.

1:36 You never know. Uh. So, you're celebrating ten years, you have a new EP, expanding to our schedule, a lot going on, So let's let's talk about the new single and lyric video the game, all right? Tell me, because I know you guys have like a story behind that song, and I want our listeners to hear the story about behind that song. Yeah, I mean, if I'm not mistaken, that was the first one that Matt really helped us finish right in. So that's you know, pretty important right there, right off the bat, as far as that piece, he's the newest member of. The band coming in.

2:17 And beyond that, like you know, lyrically speaking, you know, it's really about what I call like the game of life, right you got, there's two games going on at most from my experience, most people don't fully realize all the time. You got, you know, the. Game of life where you're playing to win in your life and you don't really think about anything before you, anything after you, or anything like that. And if you're playing it to win in that way, you're not really doing much other than you know, it's kind of serving yourself. And at the end of it all, if everybody's. Playing that way, well, then the big game that most people miss out on, the eternal game, gets missed out on completely and eventually it all falls apart. You know, yeah, totally. And that's what I love about the song, is that story behind what it really means, because you know, people listen to songs they think they know what it means, and sometimes they may be write or maybe it's their own meaning. But I think we're really in twenty twenty six playing that game of life. Yeah, man, I kind of want to jump off the game board.

3:23 Like my wife and I would talking. She's like, what do we do? I'm like, you know what, We just do everything we can to make the world as good at place as possible so that when we come back, we find each other sooner and it's better than it is now. No doubt. And you know, I've thought of something recently like, Okay, when you go back that before the internet, before social media, I don't know that things aren't necessarily much worse now. Maybe they are, but they're definitely too much more in your face, right, you know, And I think some of it shouldn't be so much in our face because I don't know, it just creates people being a bunch of miserable people because they can't escape all this crap. And there's always been crap as long as there's been politics.

4:10 Well, and you know, it's like there's an over under here at some point, right, you know, we get to a point where we who asked. For some of this stuff? Where we're getting like I remember asking for computers in my car. I don't remember asking for bluetooth on my grill. And if they're just going to keep force feeding technology down our throats at some point, like, well, who's asking for this? Because if nobody's asking for what are you doing with it? Why are we being you know, forced and trapped into situations that we might not necessarily want to be in. But yeah, if you look back, right, pre go pre internet. And I'm not anti Internet by any means. I'm anti something's data centers, a surveillance flop cameras and all that shit. But if you really went back before Internet, you stop and think about it, right, if you want to see it was going on somewhere else in the world. You went to the library, you got an encyclopedia, somebody had been there taking pictures.

5:06 You could go get a national geographic. You could read out about these places that people had been and then if you decided you want to really learn more about it, you went on an adventure for yourself. Now you just sit here. And you binge everything on the internet and then go back to your cubicle and punch the clock for nine to five. Yeah, the life where in is horrible. I'll even go step further. It's like people don't even care. What said, if it's true or not. They just grabbed these headlines and run with it. They don't even read articles. Like if you read some of the articles of debate, click shit, Like the article doesn't even match the headline, but nobody knows because they don't check it out. You know.

5:47 I also like, as far as metal goes, like, thank god there wasn't all this shit. In the eighties when I was on the Sunset Strip. Okay, Like I don't want a record of ay of that shit? You know. How many hundreds of others right? And you know the thing is, it's funny because I am a techie and I still agree with what you're saying. Like one day, I was calling my youngest daughter. I'm like, you know, some days I just want to drive down the road and throw my phone, my computer, and my iPad out the window and keep driving. And she goes, Dad, who are you gaing? You're just as addicted anybody, And I said, yeah, I am, except I come from a time before we had this stuff, and it was much better. It's my stupid generation that built all this shit, and we built it because we wanted to make.

6:41 Our lives easier. My life is not easier, okay, Like we all have no time in the day. Everybody's stressed out, everybody's got anxiety, everybody has panic attacks. I give all that stuff to the Internet and social media, and there's never a shutdown in anything. Like even me. I run a radio station. I can't tell you how many people text me at like three am and then freak out when they don't get a response five minutes later. Like, Okay, I get it, I'm a radio station. But still, if you couldn't reach your radio station before all this stuff, you waited till the next day. Yeah, and what was wrong with that?

7:22 At least when you got somebody on the phone, you were going to get a real person, right. I was thinking about the other day as I was going to the mailbox, the the the old school mailbox. You're at this studio, and I'm like, oh, man, I missed the days when we only had this because like your game, been bored. I can't. I waked up in the morning, I already have three hundred emails and they're just from falling asleep, you know. And it's like Jesus Christ, like when the postman came by with your mail, you didn't have three hundred pieces of mail ever, you know. So it's like, because we have all this, you know, And then you know, people think.

8:06 Because they have all these tools, they should use them all. Just because the tools are available doesn't mean you have to use them. And I'm one hundred percent on the side with you at Ai and the ring and all that stuff, because listen, I remember in the eighties saying the machines are going to take over. Well here we are. Yeah, you ain't kidding, man, here we are. And not only that, but like my kids all have rings at their house. No, I don't want to ring at my house. So everything I'm doing is videotaped all the freaking time, and I don't find them to feel safer with that ring.

8:46 It's more like they get obsessed with watching who comes to their door all the time. To me, it all creates more fear. Instead, we we're being sold at security. I don't feel more secure. I also don't feel more secure when Alexa is interrupting my interviews. Okay, which when I've done about home instead in the studio, that will happen, like in the middle of an interview, shall pipe in and like hey, but out. You know, and now music the most important thing. Okay, we need bands like you that are actually musicians, not people just punching a couple of things on a computer and making music.

9:32 Like that's weird to me. Oh, I don't. First off, thank you very much, I appreciate that. I think we feel the same way. Right. That's it's uh music. It's got a life of its own, and you gotta know how to curate that life within it as you're putting it together. And you don't get that with a keyboard and a synthesizer the way you do with real instruments and real creativity exactly. And the follow with that, Like I like all types of music and all that, but it's you can't call some like like a DJ for example. You know they're touching buttons here and there. You can't call them musicians because what are they doing musically?

10:13 Exactly? Like I don't even get. I mean I did get when I had to do press coverage for once one once. I'm like, okay, I get this, but I don't get the whole idea of a DJ concert, Like. Yeah, I don't know. If you're a nightclub, I get it. Okay, that's where there should be a DJ. There should not be a concert for DJs. Yeah, it's like weird to me, Like what kind of concert is that You're pushing a couple of buttons, twisting a couple knobs, moving some faders, scratching some crap. But and that doesn't mean you're not talented, but you're not a musician. Like you said, well, if you go one step further, you go over some of the other countries. They got concerts for holograms and ah the insert oh yeah, completely CGI generated. The music is all AI generated.

11:04 It's just garbage. And I think people don't realize what you're missing there. You're missing the depth, the passion, the emotion that music gives you, Like, if you listen to some of this AI music, does it sound good maybe, but does it invoke emotion? No? No, And that's what we need. That's what Music's the best therapy there is. Like why would you get rid of the human element of it? Because everybody wants their chance to create it, and they'll put the work in to learn how to play the instrument to take an actual chance of creating it. And that's really what it comes down to. Everybody's capable of learning how to play an instrument, and then you let it take it as far as you want it to take you.

11:52 It is laziness. I'll be blunt about it, okay, you know, because I do think it Like I played drums, I sucked. I played guitar. I sucked at that too. I also sang thresh mets sucked at that too. But there was one common denominator in all three of those things. The idea of playing an instrument sounded. Great to me. The work I had to put into to become good maybe not so much when I was young, you know. And I also to. Your point, I think in any industry like there are no experts nowadays and anything like everybody thinks they're an expert, right, you know, I think there's something to be said about an expert. You know, you're not gonna You're not gonna become Randy Rhodes by pushing buttons.

12:44 No, no, you're not. Just if you're getting master an instrument, it's like master and a craft or anything else. You know, it gets it a point where you're, you know, playing with it on a subconscious level. You know, you just know, you know what you want to hear, your fingers go there kind of stuff. You don't get that same relationship with your JKL semispace. Right. And I think too that everybody that has something to say about music or musicians or creating that AI stuff should still learn how to play an instrument, because then you'll have a lot more respect for that musician. Yeah, what it. Really takes because it always sounds great when you're playing air guitar, like oh I could play that song, you know, until you actually get on the instrument, like oh how do I do this?

13:34 You know? Yeah? I agree, It's like that's what gives me more respect for people like you guys, because I did try and I sucked because I didn't put enough effort into it. Like you said, anybody can learn, but it's how much effort you're gonna put. I remember, like hearing about Randy Rhodes practicing eight hours a day, I was like, holy shit, I don't want to practice eight hours a day, or or like even like I had a practice pad for years. I played drums for nine years. The reason I sucked is because I can stand using the practice pad in the beginning, like you got to do those beginning things, or like with the guitar, I didn't want to do scales. Just let me play a song. Okay, I don't want.

14:15 To do scales, but you need that foundation to be able to not only play music, but to create it right. And that's the big difference. Like I've learned over the years. You know, to learn a song is one thing, and like to learn your chords, learn your scales. But when you. Actually start putting something together and taking what you've learned by picking up bits and pieces other people's music you've played and they start creating your own sound with that's that's where learning all of those other bits and pieces really comes in, because you have to understand how it goes together and the flow. Exactly and you know, there's so many artists I'm impressed with because of what they can do. Like even like artists like you that I've been around for ten years, I'm always so prep impressed that you can still write new.

15:03 Music because. I think it gets harder as you have created a lot of music throughout the years, Like it's hard to come up with something new, Like you know, think about your first album. Those songs probably last for years and then you have to come up with other stuff after that. Like it's to me, it's so impressive, you know. I mean, I think part of it is just the fact that so much of like the lyrical content especially it tends to revolve around a lot of what's going on in the world at the time. The stuff's written, right, Yeah, So as. Long as the guys are able to stay creative and what they're doing musically, you know, my part's a little easier because I get to draw more influence on what's current today versus does this sound like something we did on two albums ago kind of deal.

15:57 Well, exactly. And it's like you take certain bands that were like teenage bands that their music still is kind of teenage. It's like. How relative is it if you're still writing teenage music when you're in your forties fifties. Oh yeah, it's got to evolve exactly. If you want to stay relevant and current and keep attracting new people and keep people paying attention, you gotta be singing about and writing about stuff that's going. To do that exactly. And you know, I'll even go a step further with it. And the fact is is, you know, the one thing I will say positive is, Man, it makes me sad that you could take songs written in the eighties by like metal and punk bands, change the names in the songs, and you could still have the same song today.

16:55 That blows my mind. Like, how are we still writing songs out the nuclear award that's going to blow up the world? Like because the threat is bigger now than it was exactly exactly, and it's like crazy, like how come we're not over this shit? You know? And so yeah, like so your song, like, to me, it just says it all. The game just says it all, because life is kind of a game too, and uh you know, sometimes that game is good, sometimes not so much. And uh so I love when.

17:36 You write a real song that people can actually relate to. That's that's that's the goal, honestly, I mean, and the goal at the end of it all is to have stuff that everybody can relate to in some way. And if it's not one song, it's another one. And if you're not liking, you know, some this particular album, you might like a different one. This EP wasn't your flavor, You'll like something else, you know exactly. And there's so much there's. So many people out there looking for something quality to listen to, that it just got to put quality material out, I hope exactly. I think that's something AI doesn't do. Like AI just spits the stuff out like like I call it like a puppy mill.

18:18 Well, so my overall take on AI, and I've thought about this a lot, because really, what AI is doing, it's like a conglomerate of the greatest hits. You create an AI system and you turn it loose to learn everything about everything that's ever existed, and that's great. So AI goes out there and it absorbs all the top one hundred charts for music that ever existed. It takes odd information, it says, all right, based on the one hundred thousand songs I learned as your AI Claude, this is the best song that I can write. Boom spits it out to you. But that song's gonna dirty to pool because there's nothing new in that song. There's nothing creative in that song. It's a greatest hits song and everybody's and I think it's great because it's the greatest hits of one hundred thousand.

19:04 You dirty that pool half a dozen times and you're gonna notice real quick that the quality is starting to taper off. What a What a great point because I've also noticed with AI that when it like searches the Internet, most of what it finds to give its synopsis is old. Yeah. Like I was just looking at something today that the stuff info was given me was from like the eighties. Oh like that's not really a relevant right, you know. And here's the problem. People don't proofread or double check this stuff. Like there's a reason we have the AI for free instant because then it doesn't cost these major corporations any money to do research and development.

19:51 We're doing it for them. We're training the II for them. Yeah you know, yeah, because from a corporate side, they have to spend money to use it, Like We got the guys in the office at work. They had to go and take classes and get licensed. And now whenever they use it, you have to use like crypto tokens to run the AI algorithms. It costs money to use. Yeah, that's companies aren't realizing that till it's too late. They're already some of them are already starting to regret the amount of money they're having to spend to get quality products out of the AI service exactly. And you know, if there was a live concert you were doing and all the technology took a shit and was gone, you could still do that concert because you're a musician. What's that artist going to do that only created music using AI?

20:45 Forget that? What's the guy who's gonna do who can't sing without auto too? Well? There you go. I mean, we could go worse than AI if. Right right, we could go down the whole rabbit hole there. But that's you're absolutely right. And I remember back back in the cover days, you know, twenty something years ago, we were playing this little dive bar way up north in Pennsylvania and we tripped a breaker. So the breaker trips, the only thing left is the drummer in me. Everybody else is gone and we're playing living after midnight, and the whole bar jumped in nice and it still sounded good. I was still singing. We had a backbeat going with the drums, and everybody else just chimed in and sang along.

21:26 I love it. I love it at the. Compute that the mainframe didn't shut down. And speaking and performances you just got done. Like I go on tour and I do festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and I am a Jersey boy and I didn't even know. About this festival you just did. Yeah, and the New Jersey Metal Fest eleven. How was that? I want to hear about that? Oh what, Matt, why don't you take this one? No? Yeah, I thought it went really well. I mean it was one of our one of our better performances, I'd say, up there with UH, or at least when I was in it, because our first the first show I was went in with UH Symmetria. We we played at Reverb and Reading and that was like, you know, the guys said, oh, that was the best we've done. But you know at Metal Fest, you know, I thought it was like it was up there as far as like one of our better shows, because you know, the crowd was involved, and I mean yeah, in the heat of the moment, like I'm thinking, oh, I'm playing too fast, you know, but I waked it back and I'm like, oh, I was actually on time. Uh It's crazy what adrenaline will do to you.

22:36 Right, exactly. And you guys will be back on the twenty fifth at the at Reverb. Yeah, yeah, yeah we are. Yeah, we're back back at READB but twenty fifth, and that's what Metal Church, Metal Church, Heathen and All Sinners we're on. They're coming through with their first leg of They're Dead to Right's tour and we picked up the local slot for it. Nice. I love it. And yeah playing with Metal Church that's cool. I remember seeing them in the clubs way back in the eighties. So oh yeah, yeah, we're pretty stoked about that. Nice. I love it. And so how did you guys get together? How did this happen?

23:18 As far as what Matt coming in and the dandy. Yes, yes, yes, yes, so. Funny. So really, my mom she's never on Craigslist like she's usually just she's usually on Marketplace or something like that, and she happened to be on it one day while I was up at school because I went to Aubreak College in reading, and she text me and she's like, man, there's this band that's pretty local to you that's looking for a drummer. And I'm like, all right, sure that sounds good. So I reached out. They Vince sent me the where do We Go Wrong? EP? I learned the parts for that, showed up. There was a another guy there who was he auditioned before me.

24:04 But then I went up and you know, I did my thing and they and the guy said to me after he was like, yoah, you beat me on that. I love it. So here we are. That's amazing. It almost sounds like, you know, a Metallica story, because that's how James and Lauren's got together an ad. You know, it's so old school. I love well, and especially Craigslist in today's day and age, right, I know, right, he threw it up on Craigslist to see if anything would happen, and so many people spend so much. It's so hard to find players anymore, especially at this level where you still want somebody that lives local, what you can get together with a lot and stuff like that. You know, I understand when you get further up the line, you can be further apart, and you know, pick and choose he us and stuff because everybody's doing it full time. But you know, we all have jobs, so we're lucky to get together twice a week to keep working on stuff and having somebody local.

25:04 It's really hard. And we found Matt. I think Kenny told us. I think we've found Matt within three months of Kenny saying that he was, you know, going to be stepping out without a problem. And we're sure Matt's not a serial killer, right, because that's a lot that comes off of gregs. No, it wasn't me on Craigslist. It was my mom, so so she's got to get looked at. Oh, well we have to worry about your mom then, okay, keep an eye out for her, I. Think considering, I think, well, coming up on being officially in the band almost a year. Yes, September it will be a year. Yeah, September will be a year. So safe to say, uh, I haven't killed anyone yet or have any.

25:44 Ideas that we know of that. Well, yeah, I don't want to see you guys like Made for Lifetime movie or anything. The only serial killers we keep around his milk. Don't worry about. It, right, I love it. That's great. So tell us what else people should know about Symmetria. Well, yeah, so outside the Metal Church show coming up a couple weeks after that, we're playing a fairly local show up here at the Scougle County fair Grounds for the Veterans Association for the Coal Region. They're doing a two day festival to raise money and awareness for the veterans.

26:28 Some national acts are coming in, a bunch of local bands are playing, and then we got the Wheat Labor Day weekend, we are heading out to Ohio to play the Smoke and Cole's Rally in Bloomville. That's our first time on something that big, I believe lead a Ford Hinder and a couple others of that scale or headline and that one. Two weeks after that, we're in Allentown at a local place called the Allentown Arts Gallery. And then November one, we're down in Birdsboro with friends of ours for their annual. Big B and R they call it. It's a big local metal band concert with a bunch of men that have been in the Reading area for anywhere from ten to thirty years, depending on who's there.

27:10 I love it. I love it, and I love that you're gonna be playing with lead of Ford. She's actually coming our studio here because she lives in South Florida. Oh cool, and she is cool. As hell, Like you know, you never know sometimes with people. But that's why I find the icons like her are always the ones that are cool as hell. It's usually the bands that think they're icons and aren't that are not. Cool as hell. You know. It's like you mentioned Leonard Scared. I interviewed them three times before Rossington died, Okay, and those dudes they're just. Good old boys. They have no clue that they're Leonard's skinner like they do, but you know not by their attitude. They were just laughing, laughing the whole interview, like they're just having a good time.

27:58 And that's the way it should be. Man, it's music. You can't take yourself too seriously. You're serious about your craft, but not about who you are. If you're blessed enough about there doing it at a professional level, it should be fun. Oh you know what, at any level. If you're not having fun playing music, that's the wrong career because most of it sucks. It's it's the music part that's supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun with that, like, where are you're going? It's like when you played football when you were a kid, right, You practiced three nights a week, beating the hell out of yourself so you could play a game on Sunday, you.

28:38 Know, exactly. With Metalfest, we were there. We loaded in at twelve thirty. Our set was at. Six point fifteen. That's just the way it goes sometimes. No doubt, no doubt and the stress that goes along with it too. And you know, and we can tell if you're not having fun to oh yeah, the listeners can tell, you know. And if you're just dialing in, man, why are you in this industry? That's what I think, you know. I remember I was serious about gaining in the industry, but I was it was wrong time of life for metal because they were converting all these bands I knew into hair metal bands. I was watching the record labels backstage saying, Okay, you're gonna play your music like this, now you're gonna dress like this.

29:24 I'm like, I'm. Out fuck this, Like, oh yeah, why be in music, if you're not doing what you absolutely love and have passion for and just doing it as a. Job, well that's why we're that's why we're still here. I mean we I'd be lying to you if I told you I didn't turn down to three sixty deals and the bullshit deals and stuff like that. I just I was blessed to have the right people around me and I knew who to ask questions and it was like, yeah, no, man, you don't want to mess with none of that stuff. See that's key too. I think a lot of people don't realize that because, like, yeah, go on back to the eighties, the record labels were the ones giving the artists all the drugs and alcohol and women and debauchery.

30:08 Because while while. You were like out of your mind, they were taking all your money yep, you. Know, and then when it was all done, they told you how much you owed them for going on tour exactly exactly. Oh my god, Like. I definitely you're flashing me back to a lot of stories of friends of mine and what they went through, and you know, like it's funny because you take somebody like Metallica and that's where they they were kind of smart because they got past that part. They left LA to get away from that, you know. And it is pretty funny though, because I am originally a Jersey boy, but my dad nineteen eighty comes up to me, I was twelve, things like pack We're moving to California in three days, and so like, I thought it sucked when he said that. Now looking back, well that was great with a perfect time to end up at the Sunset Strip and that whole area. And then I went back to Jersey for college, and I kind of laughed because, like, so I was at Metallica's first show ever. And then when they left LA, me and my bro used to hitchhike up to the Bay Area. You catch them up there.

31:29 And so then I go back to Jersey. And where am I in Jersey? I'm in Old Bridge is where I'm living, the Old Bridge Militia. Yeah, and. My friends there all loved to say. That Metallica was from New Jersey, and I used to say to them, yeah, after they were from the Bay Area, after they were from LA, Like. It's so funny. If you go to those three places, they all claim that that's where Metallica originated. Well, yeah, and the irony and all that is I was. I was fortunate enough to talk to Chris, the head of the Old Bridge Militia before he passed a few years. Back, and I was sitting at the bar one night.

32:10 We're watching the Classic Car Auction and we're talking about that era and Johnny Z and what he did bringing Metallica out and everything, and he's like, dude, the think people don't realize his Metallica was only here for like six to nine months. Right, and they were gone. He's like, exactly dominated Jersey for six seven months and then boom they were. Gone, which is amazing because the one that you think you would lay claim to would be Anthrax since they're actually from New York. But it was. It was like a very. Interesting scenario, the whole Old Bridge Militia thing, and like who would have thought and hunk of bunkers and english Town like I would never thought of, like, oh, English Town is the place for metal.

33:00 That's funny that that you were there. So that's where Cemetery actually started. I was in Hillsboro, New Jersey back ten years ago when we started the band, and the first couple of places we played where Dingbat's up in Clifton Bright and bar Down in Long Branch. I lived in Ocean Township, not to Stone. What was the little one in Asbury Park with Stone. Pony got the Stone Pony, But there is another one I can't remember the name. It was like the cellar something like that. Yeah, I can't remember. The st quick Down. Used to play there all the time. Yeah, yep, you got it. So so we actually the first CD was supported by the Old Bridge Militia.

33:45 One of the guys from down there picked it up. He sent it out to a DJ that's on the air at a college station in Lincoln, SIA. Oh, it's been on SU. Yeah. We actually interviewed up at SLU back in twenty eighteen. Nice and then. Yeah, so they were really supportive of us early on. So it's pretty cool that you were tied up with them too there. Yeah, it's it is kind of wild, like I think about in the different scenes I was in, and like, it's so wild. It's almost like then was a cultish time. Yeah, much less and much more so than now. Wow, Like listen, we didn't listen to any metal if it was played on the radio.

34:28 Besides something like so ou. Right sou was okay, you know, but if it was played on like PLJ or some shit like that. Nope, I'm out. And now you got like bands like Laurna Shure that are like rising in the pop charts. Yeah, and I'm like, wow, it's wild. It's definitely an interesting time, right. You know they say Metals dead, I don't know. I go to these festivals where there's over one hundred thousand people. I think it's dead at all. I think that's what they want you to believe. I think you've got a lot of We've seen a lot of stuff, you know, coming back. I mean I even saw a post the other day Timmy McMurtry and Billy Mulano from Memo D finally buried the hatchet and they're you know, uh, stopping their feud and talking about like doing stuff together and things.

35:20 Wow, if you're talking a lot of. I've seen so many of the older heads getting active again and working problems out with each other and just doing the right thing for the music. Finally, and you're older, so you're not as much of an asshole as when you're younger. Yeah, you sooner or lady, you gotta calm down right. Uh, exactly, but I do know that, Like I was really bummed out last year one of the festivals I do was going to have s O D but it was tribute to so OD but Wes scott Ian, it was Jamie Josta was going to sing okay, and then it was Scott's son playing drums.

36:00 Which he's really really good. And who was it on guitar? Was it Demo? I don't, I can't remember who it was on guitar and uh, and it was like I was so excited and then it got squashed because Billy Milano was like, nope, you got Yeah, he didn't. I guess he didn't squash with Scotty. And yet. Because he's making their rounds, he'll knocked on Scotty's door next. I know, right, because he did say some ship last year and then all of a sudden it just didn't happen. But yeah, I tell you what though. It was funny. I was covering Grass Pop a few years ago.

36:41 And so mister Bungle played Okay, and so they do a cover of Speak English or Die, but they don't say English. Okay, So like in the States, I saw them play and they were like speak Spanish or Die and then there they called it speak Flemish or die because that little part of Belgium where that festival is, that's their language. Okay, you know there's like three languages in Belgium, but that one is just for that. Like imagine if you had your own language for reading. Right right, That's what it was, like what you kind of do.

37:22 Not Well, that's true, that's true. It's like I can pick where what part of Jersey, what town somebody is from in Jersey? Oh, yeah, you know, but by listening to them, and of course every borough of New York, you can tell the difference. You know, people down here in Florida if they think we all sound the same. But it's the same thing as anything like yeah, I could tell in that whole dri state area, Oh you're from here, and how do you know? They obviously know how you know because you're from that area, right. Right, So how do people reach out to you guys? Check out the new music, check out the lyric video, and uh, you know everything else.

38:05 Yes, So basically you could pop pop in the band name just as it's spelled symmetria s y m E t ri I A into wherever you search your music. And we'll come up. We're on Apple Music, We're on Spotify, we stream on Title, we stream on Deezer YouTube Music. We have a YouTube channel that has various concert. Videos, live footage as well as the lyric video for the game is up there. You can check it out there. Our Facebook page you could find on Facebook Symmetria band and you can follow us there. And we're in the process of getting a website launched because after ten years, I guess it's time. It might be time. It might be time, just in time for people to not use websites.

38:49 Yeah, where we're going. Actually, it'll be nice to be able to get merch out to people on a broader scale. That'll be one of the biggest tools for it. And it gives me a spot to park the ePK, and that was hoping to grow and continue on at least at festivals and get on tour once or twice here in the next coming years. Having that ePK online will be a big tal help nice. And so if a video game was gonna use your song in the game, which which video game would you want it to be. That's a question for Matt because I haven't played video games in thirty years. So you so you're saying the song the game, what game would it be part of? What game would you want to be part of?

39:29 Yeah, I'm gonna say Doom. Any of the Doom games? Nice because you know that has like a very like Metallica kind of feel like that, like that just sort of upbeats stuff. But I don't know if to me the game it like it gives sort of like a drive like hey, we got to start a revolution. Let's fuck shut up? You know, hell, here you go and see, Like I asked that question because like with the name, like the game, it should be part of a video game, just saying, hey. Our bank, he counts more than willing to receive checks and sign these documents. Right exactly? So, what what do you think Matt has brought to the table?

40:11 Honestly, here's an idea, right, here's here's the best way to describe what Matt's brought the table. The last practice before the show, we were jamming after we ran the set. And you know, we're other than Matt. We're all in our forties and fifties, so we're a bunch of old heads. So Mike starts playing Ami Evil Giant Brian jumps in Kevin's going along and Matt never came in, and I looked at Mike and I went, oh, my god, we got a drummer young enough that he doesn't know that. Doesn't this song. He doesn't know this song. You might have to have Laurs play it. But you know, at the same time, he's brought so much stuff just in screwing around at practice that we've never imagined being able to add to our music already that I can't wait to see what writ.

40:58 And continues to bring with it. You know, he's he's got a different ear, he's got a different mindset of course, and at the same time he's as big as Alice Cooper fan as I am. So it's a really. Cool element to have somebody with his younger musical taste and experience and different feel for things to come in and still be as connected to at least I am with some of the older music and stuff that you know, I grew up listening to my father's records of Alice Cooper, you know, billion Dollar Babies, Welcome to My Nightmare. And stuff, so too, it's it's awesome.

41:38 Yeah, and see, I think that in my opinion, that's Also, what Matt brings to the table is it is twenty twenty six, So I think you kind of need both the older view and the younger view to be relevant. Absolutely, and I think it adds lot. It says a lot about us as musicians and our ability to stay current. I mean, yeah, you know, and it was there was no hesitation like I've played with guys that would have been like how old is he? Always too young. I don't even think we asked him how old he was till a second or third practice he came in, had the chops and started jamming. Man, it's it's music, that's what it's about.

42:20 That's key. It's like Ty, you know, Robert's son playing with Suicidal now, Like he's so young, but man, he just makes sense, yeah, you know, and brings that younger feel to it. And Mike still has like the energy of a youth and you know, so you need to have somebody young to keep up with him. Yeah, And if you're gonna try to be a current band, like you don't go out and find another fifty five year old drummer to sit in behind the kit if you want to keep going for another twenty years, not when you've got somebody that's young. Powerful and enthusiastic and wants to come and play. I gotta tell you to your point, I'm fifty nine, and I couldn't imagine touring playing drums, right. I think any other like guitar, singing, whatever's got to be easier at this age. But yes, if you're playing some like Beatles music, maybe you know, but.

43:20 But not playing metal like that. You. I'm in amazement at some of the drummers that they can, you know, even keep up without dying, because I don't think people realize how much brutal work it is to be a metal drummer. You have to shape, you have to be a good shape. Well I'm not in great shape, but I'm working on that. You're a great shape for drumming. We'll keep you busy, we'll sweat you into shape. You know. It was after I don't know, it was like our my second or third show, and it was at like this little dive bar or something, and after the show, like my I had like a gray shirt on and it was just black like with sweat afterwards, and Brian, his wife, was like, Matt, get a different shirt.

44:14 It's cold outside. You're gonna get sick, like from the merch table and all that. Yeah, oh my god, I love it because you brought me back to a Slayer show. I was at at Lamor's in the middle of winter, yeah, and I was sweating from head to toe and walked outside. I didn't feel it for like fifteen minutes, but it was I don't know, it's like zero out or something like that, and I was like dripping wet. And yeah, I was very grateful for that for the drive back because oh yeah, you know, even with the heat, it was still like, oh yeah, I can feel every inch of my skin. Right, and it once it's clammy, forget it.

44:57 Now, you just cold exactly. I don't. That's an every thing too, being a drummer in the different weather, like, you know, even the fact of playing here in South Florida as a drummer, Jesus Christ with it being feels like one hundred and nine, how are you drumming? You know? And that humidity, I'm like, oh my god. Like even there's some bands I've interviewed down here or at like Rockville, and I'm like, how do you even dress like that? On stage? Man? You know, like I moved down here, and I'm permanently I have. I have two pairs and two types of shorts, my summer shorts and my winter shorts. The winter shorts are a little longer and a little thicker. Okay, that's the extent of my winter down here.

45:52 So I can't even imagine. Yeah, I can't even imagine performing anything on stage down here. I have a hard enough time doing rest with that weather, you know, it's like, but geting up on stage and giving all you got. See, these are things I like to point out so listeners that don't they realize that there's a lot that you guys put into a live show. You're not just having fun. Are you having fun? Yes, you're having fun, But there's a lot of effort and sacrifice and work that goes into that. And I think everybody needs to know that. It's not like, oh, look at them, they got lucky and look at they got a dream job. Yeah, I'd like to see most of those people say that, do what you guys do.

46:35 To be honest, Well, thank you, Yeah, it's yeah, I mean it. It. It does like mad respect, you know, and even the fact of doing festivals. Okay, so you guys know about like festival flu and I get it all the time. You're breathing in that dusta I always wonder how artists are up there playing, especially singers and singing while that dust is going in your throat, because I get that while I'm doing interviews and like I lose my voice first day, you know, I'm doing interviews and I can't breathe and my nose and stuffed up. I'm like, man mad respect for singers going out in this environment, you know, and you got the moshpit right in front of you, so that the dust is going right in your mouth.

47:26 Well I haven't gotten this. I haven't gotten experienced that yet, but I'll have to be on the lookout for it. Oh there you go. There you go. Well, I have to get you on some of the DWP festivals. See there, do that. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. That's that's one of my goals right now, because I go to the Sonic Temple every year and I say, you know what, we gotta get we gotta we gotta like that's a goal, like play any of the stages there. Yeah, yeah, I do Sonic every year. A couple of weeks I'll be at Ink incarceration. That's a cool that's a cool festival because that's at the Shawshank Prison. Oh that's awesome. Yeah, it's it's badass. Like my daughter will always go She's like, so you're excited about this festival. I'm like, well, I love doing it.

48:10 I don't know if it's say it's the right word when you're doing it every weekend. But then the first time I did that festival, I called her up. I'm like, now I'm excited. I'm calling you from the prison yard of Shawshank and that is cool, right, And then I'm like I'm taking. Pictures, like before the festival starts, like. In the morning, there's this other band member taking pictures and it's like, hey, can you take my picture and I'll take yours. He goes, look at us, we're fanboying out on Shawshank Prison. So yeah, let's get you to those festivals. It sounds good to me, man, I'd love it. There you go, Well, anything else you want to add that The listeners need to know that we haven't covered already.

48:53 No, I think we back covered it, man. Hopefully they, like I said, look us up wherever you look for music and give us a fall. Check it out and hopefully we'll see you live. Absolutely well, you guys keep rocking, and Matt you keep those old dudes in line. I'll do my best. And there it is, and and so you better make sure you're on time. Because I said, hey, I need a click, and then Vince was like, no, no, you don't. You're good. That's great. You were instantly tighter when he came in, so he is our click. I love it. Well, that's amazing. Your music's amazing. Thanks for still making music, and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.

49:40 Hey, as long as there's people there to listen, we'll make it. So thank you very much for having us man, you got it, take it easy. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pate Man. I'm w for CUI Radio.