Seraina Telli on Authentic Songwriting, Music Industry Realities, and Powering Through Challenges

0:04 Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio. This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe Man W4CY Radio. And I'm very excited about our next guest because. Man, she is a killer singer-songwriter and has some great new music, some tour dates. So let's welcome to the show Serena Telly. How are you? Hi, everyone. I'm great. Thanks. And you? Well, I'm doing great because we were just talking about hair and languages before the interview.

0:48 And sunglasses. And sunglasses. So we already have a bond here from all those things. And first of all, I just want to say that I love... how. You do your songwriting. It's so, to me, old school. Like, I find a lot of music nowadays follows some kind of stupid formula and everybody has to be absolutely perfect in the studio, but then if they do a live show, they can never live up to that perfection. I would prefer an artist like you that writes the songs and, and plays it for, and, for a live show because life isn't perfect it's just like podcasts like don't edit the crap out of it to make it perfect make it real and that's what you're doing with your music making it real.

1:45 Thank you um yeah that's actually also what i want to do and just uh it ultimately the other way around it wouldn't feel right so uh i mean i'm also not like um I didn't get into songwriting by accident so that's the thing I always wanted to do and I started music because I wanted to write songs so this is like all like one idea I had and I wanted to do it right and I mean of course we also we reproduce the stuff and I also use like new things like new technologies and stuff because it's very interesting what you can do but Like basically, I do it really old school. Like I sit down with the acoustic guitar or the piano or whatever and just write a song. And it works also like that.

2:35 So you could also just perform it with an acoustic guitar. And something you said I really like too is, you know, being an artist is all about experimentation. Yeah, for me, yes. Yeah. I think it should be for everybody, to be honest. That's why I don't like a lot of these new metal bands that use a formula to create metal. Metal was never a formula. It was outside the formula. Exactly. Actually, it was outside the box and somehow it got into the box. I don't know how that happened because it never stood for that. There's even bands I know, like a couple of deathcore bands that I know that they're trying they try so hard to be mainstream and i'm like well isn't the point of death court and not be mainstream yeah.

3:32 Actually um yeah i mean i think there's just some bands that uh that popped out and got like mainstream I don't know if that was like made like this to be mainstream. So that's also a thing that, um, artists sometimes don't, don't see like the, I think a lot of things today are not, uh, accidents like, uh, okay, this band is by accident. They, they got like, uh, discovered and got big. I think there is a lot. I mean, I saw a lot of things going on in the music business in the last years and, it's always about money and connections. Like making music, the music business is like nothing else than politics.

4:17 Oh yeah, 100%. We just have to know that. So I also get asked a lot, why are you not a big star already? And it's like, this is why. Because you're being real, that's why. Yes, I am. Real and I just didn't find like, I mean, there has to be, people who have the right connections to get you where you should be. It doesn't have to do with, are you actually good? Of course, in the beginning, yeah, you need to be good and you need to have good songs and a good band and everything. But at a certain point, it doesn't matter anymore because look at the stars we have today. I mean, look at Rolling Stones magazine on Instagram, for example. I mean, sorry, the bullshit they actually promote there. It's like girls dancing naked on stage. You can go to a strip club, actually.

5:11 That's nothing to do with music. Exactly. There we are at the point where it doesn't matter anymore if it's good music or not. It's a lot of gimmicks. And then like TikTokers that use AI to create songs. That's not songwriting. No. No, that's, I mean, we shouldn't even talk about that. That's clear. I mean, I can also, I mean, I just did like this example yesterday because some guy wanted to do an interview and he's not an interviewer, actually. He's just a guy who bought like a lot of followers on Instagram. Oh my Lord.

5:52 And I was like, no, I only do interviews with like real interviewer, like people who do that as a job. Oh, you're speaking my language right now. Oh my God. And then I said, okay, I mean, I can say to him, I can repair your car tomorrow. I can go to chat GPT and figure out how to repair a car. Just give it to me. I can do it for you. You know what I talk about all the time? Because it's true. Even in podcasting, like, listen, I was doing podcasting before it was even a word. I beta tested iHeartRadio's original podcasting network. And, you know, it's like these podcasters, they don't really know what they're doing. And it's all like, it's all smoke and mirrors and the whole followers thing.

6:44 Like not the followers are bad, but it shouldn't be based on it. You should actually know what you're doing and have some experience. And just because you have a voice doesn't mean you should be necessarily being. A podcaster or whatever, but I say all the time that, you know. Because there's these videos out there on how to be a podcaster. And I always say, well, you can watch a video on YouTube about how to do brain surgery. I don't want you putting a scalpel to my head. Yeah, of course. I think in music, that's also a big problem because everyone can name themselves or call themselves a musician. And the thing is, Where's the point where you are actually a musician?

7:25 So exactly. Or where's the point where you're actually professional? Some people say if you earn money with your music, OK, we can't say that in music because music is just not like any other job. But I mean, being professional is actually pretty clear what you have to be. I mean, you have to to know what you do. And that's also where like, where like this self-confidence comes from. It's, it's not because, um, I mean, take me for example, it's not, I don't think that I am like really good or whatever. I just know what I am doing because I do it for a long time and I studied it and I did a lot of things and experienced a lot. And I did also a lot of things not good. And I know also what I, what I can't do. I know what I'm not good at. And, uh, so I get help in this, uh, things so this is actually what a professional person is just knowing what they do and do it.

8:24 Good exactly and i also think that like especially with musicians you're your own worst critic yeah anybody that has ego like so bad that they think they're the greatest are usually the ones that are. Not the greatest you know it's like. Even with podcasters, when somebody wants to be a guest on my show, like you were talking about, you know, an interviewer, I have the exact opposite. Like somebody wants to be a guest on my show, the first question I ask them is, okay, so why should you be on my show? And they'll say, I have great content. And then my answer, you know, I'm a little brutal because I'm from New York and New Jersey, so I shoot straight. And I'm like, okay, great. So to thousands of other podcasters out there, now what do you have?

9:12 And they can never answer that second question. And that tells me their ego, not professional. Like if I asked you any question about writing music, you would be able to answer it without even thinking about it because of your experience. You wouldn't be like, oh, because I write great songs. And that would be it, you know? Yes. I mean, yeah, that's absolutely it. Yeah. Professionals always go a little deeper you know professionals they know their craft and they know they. Always have to get better at their craft and evolve. Yeah and in the same time they also know whatever happens um you can always do what you do you know what i mean exactly i mean even if the the falls apart under my feet, I can still sing. Right.

10:06 Or technical things, technical problems, I can just take an acoustic guitar and play and sing for you. I mean, that actually also happens sometimes. Exactly that's real that's. Where like the self-confidence comes from and that you are actually like you're on top of the things you do it's not like oh i have to to like what should i play or how should i sing that it's it's more like yeah it's just what i do it's like making coffee in the morning or whatever. And it's your passion for it too like to your point like there was a band not that long ago that canceled a show because their laptops weren't working And I get it if you're using, I mean, I get it if you're using certain things, but for God's sakes, then improvise, man, you know, like, like do what you do.

10:59 If you're a true artist, the show must go on. What happened to that phrase? Okay. And yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah. Ah, it's, it's, I think also like, um, I met a lot of musicians on the, the road and we had some of it of them playing with us as well and um there for me there is like two types of uh of artists actually or the one isn't actually a real artist so or people who want to be on stage so two two types and uh the first one is the one who just want to show themselves you know like i am uh i'm the the cool guy or girl or whatever and i'm pretty and look at me what i can do Kind of. And the other one is the real artist, actually. It's the one who does it because of the art.

11:51 Yes. When I go on stage, I don't show myself. I show my work. Yes. This is also what I have in common with the crowd. We both like what I do. It's not about me. It's about my music. Exactly. Yeah. So in the same time, it's also something that actually helps you to. Don't get too close like if you get like bad um comments or whatever it also doesn't go close to you or not that close. Because you're always gonna get them you know yeah. It's not about me it's it's it's all about what i do and if someone doesn't like it it's totally fine for me i mean of course there's.

12:35 Assholes out there. They're everywhere more than often nowadays uh Yeah, they have a platform. I always say, similar to you, I always say there's two types of artists. There's the ones that they become an artist to become a rock star. Or there's those that do it because they just have so much love for music and they just want to play music. They don't care about all that other stuff. And to me, the one that sets out to be a rock star, maybe it'll get temporarily canceled. And it'll definitely go away. It does not have staying power. I reflect back to like the eighties and the hair metal bands, you know, there were some that were artists, but there were a lot that it was all about the look and it was all about this gimmick. And look, grunge knocked that out real quick. But now, now the metal community is bigger than ever. And, and that's because we, real rock musicians are not rock stars.

13:44 They're just musicians. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I see that as well. Something else I like too is your lyrics. Cause I'm also a motivational speaker. So I love the positivity of your lyrics and how they speak of self-determination, courage, staying true to your own path and, and all those things. Cause I, See, to me, lyrics are very important for a message, you know, and whatever that message is. And I love the positive message of it because I think that's also, you know, it's kind of people don't understand rock and metal a lot of times. They think it's all this negative stuff, but they don't bother to listen or.

14:33 Read the lyrics at all because. Yeah. The lyrics will tell you it's the exact opposite a lot of times. Yeah. And sometimes, I mean, I do that, for example, that I create a song that sounds actually like dark or whatever. And in the end, the lyrics are kind of like uplifting. Exactly. You need to put in that time or effort to really listen to the song. So that's maybe the thing that why it needs more time to reach actual fans because it's not like a party song. I don't write about, yeah, I feel so good and I want to dance. I mean, yeah, I could do that as well, but it's just not me. So, yeah, it goes deeper, you know.

15:26 And it should be. To me, music is the best therapy there is for you, the artist, and for me, the listener. So if it's based on some bubble gum, non-reality thing, it's not going to have the same feeling as somebody that's speaking truth and going deep and emotional and passionate, you know, to have some real meaning to it. Yeah, I mean, you can also actually combine these two things. I have also on the new album, I have a song, it's called Oh, Oh, Yeah, Yeah. And the lyrics in the chorus seem to be like very, very simple. Like, I just want to sing, want to play my fucking song like that. But the thing is, like, if you really listen, if you listen to the lyrics in the verse, it goes so deep because the thing is that... I mean, I came out from this heavy metal scene and I love heavy metal, but it's not the only thing I want to do. So I just want to, I just always wanted to do music. So just let me do my music. And some people still today, they don't get it that it's not all about screaming on stage. You know, it's about like creating a whole universe on stage. And there is also like, there is quiet parts, there is slow parts, there is fast parts and If you come to a live show of mine, it's got everything. It's got like very quiet until like big rockstar moments. And

17:02 this is just what I want to do. And the song is actually about that, that people try to just like kept me in in one way and i think a lot of people experience that especially like young artists and especially women because with women a lot of people especially men have the feeling that they have to help them you know so a young woman doesn't know what she want to do so this is this is kind of like the the thing uh that's that's in some man's head and um i i hear a lot of things um Like a lot of men come and have the idea that just because they are men, they know what I should do. But compared to... I mean, there are not even musicians or whatever. So, I mean, I studied music. I write music since years. That's the thing I always wanted to do. And I did it. And I invested like... hours and years in like playing and writing and singing and just because you are like some years older than me and you're a man you think that you know it better so this is kind of like the the thing and yeah that's that's that's what the whole song is about like just just let me let me sing let me let me do it.

18:27 We call it over here. I don't know if they do over there. We call it mansplaining. Mansplaining. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And then if you, if you like, if you have the audacity to not take this, whatever comment or tip or whatever, then you're arrogant. Oh my God. That's so stupid. Like to me, I love, that the gatekeeping for women is getting less and less. Like I was in the eighties metal scene and it's stupid because to me, women are more passionate and more emotional and that's what music is.

19:08 And so I find like all the women that are in metal today, especially are so bad-ass, you know? And, and I love that we're seeing more and more of it because I, I think women do make. The best artists. They have a lot less ego about it and a lot more passion about it. Yeah, I mean, I think because there's still not many women doing that, that it's actually the ones who do it and who get visibility are, of course, the ones who have a lot of passion because we still have to go through all of this things. And one of them, I think, hardest things is like to just overcome your own idea of what you can do and what you can't do yes so this is something i see in a lot of women that we are like we we uh we question ourselves like all the time and i did it as well i mean i picked up the electric guitar and the first three years i was like oh should i do that i can't i can't play guitar or my sound is not like blah blah or whatever and then I thought okay what would Flea do for example I mean Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers never the fuck cared about if someone didn't like his sound and I was like why shouldn't I do that I mean just because I'm a woman but the thing is also the comments were like really bad in the

20:39 beginning like oh this guitar sounds shitty and blah blah and then I was like I was from the beginning I was like this is my guitar sound I want to sound like this And in the meantime, it's like you hear like it's a song. It's one of my songs because you also hear the guitar sound. But this is what you have to go through. And I just believe that I would get less questions about stuff like that if I would be a male artist. As a male, I agree with you. I think it's bullshit, you know, because... just being blunt, you know, like, because it should just be an artist.

21:23 It shouldn't be a male artist, female artist. It should just be an artist. And if you're good, you're good. It doesn't even matter. I don't have to like you for you to be good either. Like we all have different tastes in music type of thing. So I think you should, there's so much hate out there. And so like, The noise. That's why I call it the noise of all these people on social media. It's like, just shut up. If you don't like it, why are you wasting your time with, hey, just go listen to something else. Yeah, that's what I say as well. I mean, I sometimes even write that in the comments. There's a lot of good music out there. Go somewhere else. Nobody told you you have to listen to my music or watch my posts if you don't like it.

22:13 And I think, I love your attitude about it too, because I think artists need to be true to themselves. Because if you try to please the listeners, you're always going to still have to hate. You're not going to please anybody. And you're definitely not pleasing yourself. If you please yourself and do you, you will attract your tribe. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's the same. And I try to, if I write songs, I try to write songs I would like to listen to. That's the way it should be. And I love what you said before, too, the diversification. Like, we all like all types of music, even as a listener. I'm a metalhead.

22:56 I'm a punker. But I also like all kinds of other stuff. It's not that, oh, I only like, I think it's stupid. People that like, oh, I only like black metal. You're an idiot. I mean, because how can you only like one thing. And we have different vibes? If they want to do that, that's also something I realized like some years back that there's like musicians and there's like people who just do what they, for example, metalers, or I don't know how to say that. It's interesting. I say it like that. I don't know if it's even a real word, but it's like metal musicians. musicians you know and they they just do like metal and that that's fine but in their own universe they think that they do a lot of different things and then I see it like from another perspective I was at the jazz school for example I did a lot of jazz funk hip-hop as well pop music whatever country music I did almost everything and so I see it from from the other perspective and I say like And no, this is not, this is still metal.

24:05 I think artists should play what they feel. Artists should play what they feel, not what they're supposed to play. And I like the diversification. I think Ali from Bring Me to Rise and said it best in interviews because, you know, they got a lot of hate because all the different stuff they've done over the past few years. And he says, why do I want to write the same song over and over again? Like, If you're an artist, you want to experiment, try different things and go outside that box. An artist shouldn't be in a box. And it's ridiculous. So I think it's great that you do that. Yeah. And I think that's the hardest thing actually for artists to find themselves in that whole thing. Because the thing is, you want to create your own sound, of course.

24:54 And you want that people recognize you for that sound. But in the same time, you want to grow and you want to try, experiment and do a lot of different things. And I think there is like where the actual magic happens, that you combine these two things, that you do new stuff, but still you are you. And this is also what authenticity is. Like some months ago, I was asked in an interview what authenticity is for me. And for me, it is that. Like you can change what you like, but if you do something that you don't feel, it's not authentic.

25:37 And we can tell. We can tell when you're doing stuff, especially on stage. We can tell if you're just going through the motions. And to me, a live show and music specifically is. A transfer of emotion. So if you're not up there being authentic, If you're not up there having fun, if you're not up there doing your passion, how are we supposed to be passionate about it or like it? Yeah, I mean, the thing is also if you're like all the time in your head, You can't go out, you know, I mean, you have to communicate with people. So if you're like all the time thinking about you, what you should do or how do I look or whatever, then you never reach the people out there. You stay like on your little place on stage and people are just looking at you. But the thing is, if I perform on stage, I mean, I have a lot of insecurities about myself and whatever, like I think everyone does.

26:38 We all do. Yeah, I mean, I think it's normal and it's also fine to have that and it's okay. But the moment I entered the stage, as soon as the show starts, I'm actually only with the song. And I don't care if my hair looks shitty or whatever because it goes like two minutes and I look like hell because I can't stand it. Um, like a normal on stage. This is just me. I just go wild. And so I just don't care anymore. And I found myself like outfits that covered everything so I can do whatever I want. And I don't have to think about the outfit. That's something I had to do to, to just be there for the people. So it's, it's about that.

27:26 I love that. I always say for like artists, true artists, I get up on stage. once they start that show, once the mic is on or what have you, it's like an out of body. Experience, you know, type of thing. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Go into this zone that, and even for me as a radio person, you know, as soon as the mic turns on, there's a switch in my head and I don't even think about it. Like I don't need notes. I don't need a script. I don't need to think about anything. I'm just being me. And, and, and that, that, And. In that mode and that vibe right then. Yeah. Yeah. And you were here to actually also receive because sometimes we had, for example, we had the first part of the tour in Germany. And I mean, the crowd was sometimes so funny that I actually had to stop because I was laughing so hard. So we really we had like this thing. But I also want to to get the crowd in, you know, so. that they, they, that they want to do stuff like that, that they want to like make me laugh or whatever. So, because I can also, I can have it. So whatever comes from, from there, I can kind of have it. So even if it means I have to throw someone from the stage because they can't behave or whatever.

28:47 That's great. Happened also. So, um, yeah, but, but I think that's, that gives like a lot of, um, security and, um, and like peace to, to go on stage. And yeah, absolutely. And so tell us more about the new album, uh, and then your dates that you have, you know, following the drop of the new album. Yeah. I mean, um, I released green actually almost one year ago. So in the next month it will be one year. And, um, but we just released a green life album where, um, there is like How many songs?

29:29 Like 12 or 13? I don't know. You got to check. Yeah, songs we've actually played on a tour. So it's not like one show. It's uh it's it's several shows combined in this album which makes it very very funny so there is like uh hello hamburg or uh hello london or whatever i love that Yeah, it's really fun to listen to, actually. And we just put like all the songs together, like the best tracks we had from all the shows we did on this tour. And yeah, I mean, it's really cool to have this live album because for me, like the whole thing, why I do music, it leads to being on stage and playing the song forever. songs for the people. So, and we actually did it that we could capture this, this whole energy in this live album, which is amazing because I think it's, it's like the, the highest point for, for this, for this whole project that, that the people actually hear how it sounds live. And we got a lot of response to the live album and, and it's really cool that, Most of the reviews mentioned the energy, that the energy comes across and the whole vibe is there. So I'm very happy that we could capture that. So you can get the album now. And if you saw us live somewhere, then you maybe feel like taking back to this moment where we actually experienced

31:05 that thing together. There you go. And then you have a bunch of live dates that are coming up as well. So tell everybody how they can reach out to you and check out all the live tour dates. Get the album. Buy your merch. They can't listen to my show unless they buy your merch. And anything else that we haven't covered. Yeah, I mean, I'm on social media. I'm pretty active on Instagram and also Facebook and TikTok. And there is also, there is a link in my bio for, you reach my link tree actually, and there is everything you need. So you can get my merchandise there. You can get like the newest albums or streaming platforms. My YouTube is actually down right now because someone hacked.

31:55 It, which is. Really annoying. So I'm fighting to get it back. So they took it down actually for the moment. I've not only had that happen, my heart's out to you, but right now what I'm dealing with, that's why I said, oh my God, I was heading to Loudern Life to do media coverage at this festival. I was getting on a plane and somebody in Vietnam hacked my Facebook and I went on real quick and tried to change the password and immediately Facebook disabled permanently my Facebook, my Meta, my Instagram, my WhatsApp, my messenger and my threads all in one fail swoop. And then I couldn't talk to a human, like I'm verified. And I still couldn't talk to a human anywhere. Luckily, a client of mine knows somebody on the inside that works for them. And he did like, he did some help. So this morning, like not long before this interview, My Instagram magically came back up.

33:03 The rest of it's not up yet. Back up yet. But I'm hoping we get there because I couldn't even talk to a human to get anything done. It was that stupid AI bot, the meta bot. And it's like, it's amazing how somebody could hack me and they take down almost everything I have. I was left with. It's crazy. And like in a second, it was kind of similar in my case because I... We were on the road back from the German shows. And I accidentally hit the YouTube button for the app. And then I was like, okay, I go check. I didn't even want to go in. And then I was like, okay, I have to log in. And I was like, okay, shit, I do it tomorrow or something like that. And then like 30 hours later, I tried to log in. And there, usually they send like this code to your phone, right? Yeah.

33:56 And there was like another phone. And I was like, what the hell? I saw like a galaxy, whatever. And I was like, who's that? It was really scary. And I couldn't reach it anymore. And then I was on my account. And it was still there. But there was like the header was changed. And like this Bitcoin thing. And then another 24 hours later, they started like a live stream. And people were writing me, what's going on? We received a Bitcoin live stream. I had people asking me if I was pissed off at them. They thought I blocked them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is really, so I try to inform people. The thing is, like, YouTube is not like this communicational social media, then Facebook or Instagram would be worse, of course, yeah. So it's fine, but I actually have some releases scheduled and I can't do anything right now.

34:53 Oh my God. My heart goes out to you. Like, and it's tough to like, when you do stuff like we do, like, like I said, I was on the way to the festival, so I couldn't really deal with it at the festival because, you know, I was too busy doing interviews and all that stuff. So it's like, okay, I just got to wait till I get back. And like, you know, usually at festival, my job is to promote the festival on my social media. I'm like, I know, man, like, this world we live in with all this stuff where they can just push a button and take all your crap away after all the work you've done, you know, it's unbelievable, but I just stayed calm. There's nothing I can do about it. I already resolved myself. If I couldn't do anything, well, I guess I'll have to start over.

35:42 That's a pain in the ass, but Oh, well, but. Yeah, that won't happen. I was very excited when I woke up and I said, I saw I could get on my Instagram because I was like, oh, finally something. It's even weird. WhatsApp, they shut down on me. Like I go on, I do, I go on tour and I do coverage at music festivals all over North America, UK and Europe. And so when I'm out of the country, I need that shit. And it's my own phone number. They shut down my own, like it's the actual phone number on my phone. And they shut down that. And here's what happened too is I, Whatever happened, there was an age thing.

36:22 So it said to me, like, until I'm 13 years old, I cannot reactivate. I'm like, I think I'm a little older than 13, okay? Maybe I act 13, but I'm a little older than 13. I mean, if they count, like, the age of your mind, then maybe. Yeah, exactly. So... Now it's a pain in the ass, but I hear a lot of things about that actually. And I don't know if it's like just a period. It's the AI. No, it's the AI. Because what happens is the AI will just notice things and have no human thinking or critical thinking and just shut you off. And then if you can't talk to a human, because it's the humans that have to fix it.

37:16 Yes. Yeah. In the end. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem with Meta. I am really not a big fan of Meta. So it's always like a struggle to even change like the slightest thing. Right. And then you can't do it or you're not allowed. And you're like, man, it's just my page. So whatever. And it's always like so complicated. And it's all connected because they own most of them. Like that's what happened to me. It's like they just shut down everything. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. But for me, it's, it's even like the, the Google, um, mail account, they actually hacked. So I can't, I can't log into that. So, um, but luckily I, I work a lot with Google drive, like for business stuff. And I have like two Google, um, mail, no addresses. And that's the good thing. It's, it's not the other one because otherwise we would really be fucked because everything is like on my, on my Google drive. So yeah.

38:13 Um, Exactly. Well, yeah, let's, let's see. I, I, I got lucky actually, because I checked it out with chat GPT, like really fast, like, okay, this is like the information I got. What can I do? And, uh, we tried a lot of things that in the end, the, uh, it lead, it led me to, uh, to, uh, to a webpage where I actually can like, uh, open a chat about it and ask me to do some stuff. And then they actually reported it. And later I got an email from an actual person. who said that they relocated the problem to a group of people who are actually managing stuff like that. So I hope they can do something, but I don't know how long. It'll happen.

39:00 I had one of my YouTube channels shut down several years back. It was gone for like three years and then one day it just popped back up three years later. Like they permanently closed my YouTube and then they realized, I guess, three years later that they screwed up. Okay, cool. I can't wait three years. Yeah, you can't wait three years for sure. sure. I create a backup YouTube. Exactly. I try to keep you up to date about the YouTube stuff, but yeah, that's sadly the thing right now.

39:45 The good news is they can't take away your music and it's badass. No. So everybody's got to check out the new album. And also, I just want to say that to let the listeners know that they really, if they've never heard you, they have to hear you because a lot of media outlets have been describing you as the best rock voice in Switzerland. Oh, thank you. So they have to check you out. And I hope I see you live somewhere in the world, too. So I'm looking forward to that because. You are a badass. And thank you for making us great music, being a real musician and a real artist.

40:27 And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. Thank you so much. And thanks for having me. And it was really, really cool talking to you. Ditto. We'll have to do it again. Anything you need, you let me know. And you send me or have Tom send me MP3s or WAV files of any of your music and I'll put it in a rotation on my stations. Awesome. Really cool. Let's see you soon. See you soon. Thanks. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pikeman on W4CY radio.