PipemanRadio Talks to All Sinners Release About New Single Into the Flames

0:04 Hi, you live, done to your censure w se Wow for you your. Dot you want. Leave forever, but you want. This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with our next guest who has some killer new music. So let's welcome to the show, Mike from all Sinners. Hey, how's it going?

0:45 It's going great? How about yourself? Can't complain it's been sitting around all day waiting for this interview. Nice? So so have I doing nothing right? Uh? So? Yeah? You guys have a new single you just released Into the Flames music video is pretty cool. Everybody's got to check that out. And then you have a new studio album that is coming out in three days. Yes, it's been long awaited. Everyone's been waiting, so it's good to finally get it out there. Which some people started receiving their pre orders this week, so it's the response is starting to roll out slowly, which is nice.

1:31 Did and so you guys finally own the night. Ben I've been trying for a lot of years, and it seems like maybe this is the time. There you go, there you go. And for those that don't know where I'm joking about that's the name of the new album, we own the Night, The Night Nice, So tell us a little bit about what that means to you. That that name and title in jail. General, yeah, and the album in general. Well, the album has been a long time coming for us. We had a four song EP out, uh, and we just took we took our time running the full length because when we put the band together, we kind of pushed out the four song EP not pretty quickly, but we needed to get something out. So it was like, we don't have time to do a full length, Let's get these four songs out there, which we did and response was great. So we kind of took our time to put together this, uh, this next album. I think initially because you you know, you're in the music business, so to speak, a lot of people just do EPs now they do singles, not a lot of people do full length albums. So we are trying to figure out what are we going to do and we got to like five songs and everyone was like, so, how many are we going to do? And I was like, let's

3:01 do ten so nice. We took our time and Roger the drummer owns a record store, so putting out vinyl is a big deal to him, so we had to do it right, get all ten, you know, we do it the old school way and pace the albums track one, two, three, four, five, going into side B. So it was a lot of fun. So it's meant a lot because we've grown together, you know, putting this project together. So yeah, and I do miss albums being a thing absolutely, and hopefully we can bring that back and the younger generation can realize what they're missing because there's a lot missing and just listening to a track.

3:48 Yeah, I mean, it's this whole thirty second mentality, TikTok mentality that is going all over all of our heads. You know. We did we did a video that's coming out in at the end of the year for a cover song that we did. We like to do content for our fans, so we do random ship now now and then uh and it's coming out later. And the guy who produced it and shot the video, his name's Casey Tebow. He's worked with Arosmith for years and stuff. He was like, I think we got to cut the song down, Like, what do you mean it's a music video? He said, yeah, it's it's four minutes and seven seconds, I think we need to get it to like three minutes and fifty seconds.

4:33 I was thinking you needed to get it down the seven seconds because it's about all the attention spanned people. I don't think. I don't think, but that unfortunately, that's that's something that we're faced with, and I'm kind of just saying, screw it. I'm not going to pay attention to it. I'm gonna do what I want. So the end of our album, the We on the Night album, the final track on the the album's of six minute power ballance nice setting it down, not doing anything. It's gonna be six minutes. I love it. I love it because you know, some of my favorite songs in history kids today would not get a chance to like because they wouldn't listen long enough.

5:16 Stairway Heaven right right, and you get how about any Sabbath song you know you could take okay, like you take a song like Battery from Metallica, If you don't last past that intro, you're missing one of the best songs you know. And you know, it's like, it's funny you should say about trimming down the song. Because I was talking to somebody and we were talking about songwriting and how songwriting has had to change because of this. Whereas you know, back in the day, I remember taking a songwriting class and it's like, Okay, you got the intro, you got the verse, chorus, verse chorus, bridge, solo, another verse chorus end, you know, and now it's like, take out the intro, take out the solo, take out the bridge, and even take out one of the verses, like.

6:15 No, it's gonna be three minutes now. I know it's gotta be verse chorus for verse and that's it. And tell me that's not interesting. Yeah, no. And that's the thing where I'm at at my musical career too, is like I was in a band before this that we had a record deal and it was, you know, more of a not on the pop side of rock, but it was more of just a regular rock band and they wanted everything just clean package under a certain amount of time. And now I'm writing songs that I want to breathe right. Yeah, there's a four bar instrumental instrumental here, and it's gonna stay in you know, it's part of the song. So well, yeah, the legend Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven, Okay, like that is just a whole build on a build on a build, like you know, it just takes you on a journey.

7:02 It's an epic. And I was saying that to my wife, like Saturday night, we were having a glass of wine, eating dinner, and I kept putting records on and then running downstairs and flipping it over, and she's like, why do you like to do that? I'm like, because when you listen to an album, it's a journey. The way that they the way that they set up the album was for a reason. They didn't just put ten songs on on vinyl. It was set up a certain way. So when you go from you can listen to an album and go, oh my god, I love how it goes into that song. I love how it went into this song, and I love that this is the last song, song five on side one, and then how does the next side start? You know, everything is like a story or like just a journey through the album, and there's just there's a joy in that that people don't people don't realize nowadays. You know, CDs don't even aren't aren't the same because I don't think so you just put it on and it's it just runs.

7:58 You know, and not everybody. He looks at the little pamphlet in the CD. But when you got an album, you looked at everything. And I remember just putting my headphones on, sitting on the balcony and just a full blown sensory experience, not just the sound. Everything. Now that's something that my kids, unfortunately will we'll get to enjoy. I mean I used to, you know, we all did tuesdays they released albums. You run out there before they opened, got Injustice for All by Metallica, got in my car, ripped it open, open the liner notes.

8:38 I needed to see all the pictures and everything in it. You know it. It was a big deal, and we are sharing that with our with our fans, and our fans enjoyed. So you know, that's all part. Of us think about too. Okay, so this morning I just have to stumble upon a Bobby Weird documentary. And as you're talking right now, I'm thinking to myself, there would be no Grateful Dead or Pink Floyd today if they started today. No, like it was for a Grateful Dead. The song didn't even start for ten minutes. Yeah, No, it's you know, unfortunately, and you know this is because I do have kids, and I see how they take art programs out of schools and stuff like that.

9:28 It's it's the whole art of it. M h totally. It's like we've got AI music and AI art and people don't care that, oh, somebody didn't create that. It was a machine, but people creating things is unfortunately, and I hope it's not true. I hope it's just a phase is just going away. Well, you know the thing is okay, So as example, I'm pretty good at graphic design. That doesn't make me an artist. It makes me a graphic designer, Okay. Like that doesn't mean I could pink something, Okay, you know, it just means I know how to use the computer and manipulate everything. And I feel the same as with music.

10:20 Like I was talking with my brother the other day too, and he's like, you know what happened to the rock bands where you had two guitarists, a keyboardist, made a singer a drummer, and you know, like the humans doing everything and bands today like they cancel shows because their laptop's not working. That just happened to us last weekend. We didn't cancel the show, right, but we were playing a show, and the band that was on before us they were sound checking and it was just a track like with vocals, guitars, everything, and the guys were standing out front like Okay, how does it sound? And then the guy would go up and sing a couple of words. I'm like, this is what they're doing, you know. There were two guitar players, no bass player, drummer, but the guitar.

11:15 Players played. Intermittently. The singer sang intermittently when all the vocals were still going on. Huh. It was like, I don't I I don't get it. It's like the rock and roll supposed to be imperfect. Too, no doubt, and you gotta work at it. Like listen, I played drums, I played guitar, and I sang thrash metal and I sucked at all three because I didn't work at it, Like I would have been great today because I wouldn't need to. Yeah, but I could never do that. Like music is a human being creating, like you have to have even if you do work at it, if you don't have talent, it doesn't matter either. So you yeah, you have to have some degree of talent.

12:09 And it's kind of like have you ever seen the meme of the rock star in the eighties and the rock star now. Not sure A billion means I probably have. But okay, so this one is okay. You got this rock star lying on the ground, passed out bottle of JD in one hand, guitar in the other, and then fast forward the rock star today sitting at a computer, typing on a computer with the guitar on his lap. Yeah. I know it's discouraging, I will say, though, Okay, I was quite impressed the beginning year. Now, I have a grandson who was a total gamer, total like you know, reclusive, typical gamer. But he found music. He found punk and metal like his grandfather, and so he asked me he wants to get a guitar for his birthday. I'm like, sure, we got a guitar center, and I say, like, try out the guitars and he started playing a Green Day song, and I like, I was shocked. I was impressed. It's like, here's somebody that is probably very techy because of being a gamer. I'm a game or two so I'm techie.

13:40 But he was actually playing the instrument and very well, and I was like, yes, thank you. So who knows maybe there's hope. I hope. So, I mean, I know my nine year old, nine year old son, he loves he loves music. He loves listening to my music. He loves sleep Token and Imagine Dragons and all these bands, and I take them to shows all the time. His first show, I took him to see Kiss. You know. It's like nice. So he loves music. But whether it translates like I have every instrument here from drums to amps, the guitars, whether he picks it up, who knows, We'll see. I don't push it. I don't want to push.

14:23 It, no, because then he'll he'll go away from it for sure. Yeah. Either that or you know, he'll become a musician. I'm gonna be like, why didn't you become a doctor or something? So so into the flames it's about, or at least what I checked into. It is about pushing the boundaries. Yep. And that's an earth thing too. Isn't that what music's about? Like, I don't know, there's these people complaining about music or is pushing the brown trees or talking about stuff like that's what it's always been about, at least in the rock and punk and metal genre rock.

15:03 Was always supposed to be pushing the boundaries, you know, supposed to be rebellious, supposed to be raucous, supposed to be dirty. Yeah, so you know, I don't know what has happened, but hopefully, and I don't hopefully, guys like this young blood kid, he seems like he's kind of rock and roll man. Hopefully he's just not riding the Ozzy Osbourne thing coate waves as a as a thing. Hopefully he's actually really. That I've met him, he's for real, Like because I go on tour and I do music festivals all over the UK, US, Europe. I've met him before the whole Ozzie thing. Yeah, and he is totally real. I think that's why as He took him under his wing, because.

15:53 Yeah, he seems like the real deal, you know, seems to loves his fans, and he seems like he's rock and roll, little rebellious and that's what we need. And he don't give a frick what he does, you know, like like just like Ozzy, you know. And then even even what he did that day for that final show first of all blew my mind. Okay, like and I love Slayer, love Metallica besides Ozzy and Sabbath. He stole the show, like and every publicist I know says that, every record label exec I know says it is like he he was just so real and so emotion But the best part was is he had a gig that night in another state, yeah, you know, or not, I mean another country.

16:46 The other thing about it is most rockers that have rented that or were there that saw that, were like, who the hell is this guy? Right? You know? So I mean and talk about the dedication a ill musician that he did that and then had to be at his own gig in another country. Yeah, like unbelievable. Yeah, that's the way it should be. So maybe it's people like him, people like Dirty Honey that are going to change things back. Yeah, you know, you can't. I agree. The one that that discourages me because they're such a great band, and I don't know why they're not bigger than they are as rival sons.

17:31 Oh yeah, another one, another great example. Fantastic band. That band should be absolutely huge, but they come to Boston and they're playing the House of Blues and it's not always full. It's like, I don't understand what's going on, you know. And it's bands like them that are really bringing the true musicianship back to rock and roll. Yeah yeah, and that's that's that's a good thing. You know. It's same thing when we go to show and I don't see guys carrying amps. We carry amps, Marshall stacks and all that stuff. But I don't know, people are getting lazy. Yeah, I mean listen, I knocked my teeth out climbing up on Marshall stack and doing a stage dive. Like you know, I wouldn't have that memory, you know, it's it is definitely a trip. But then we have bands like you that are just killing it, making great music, and you just need more of it for sure. And so you know, talk about your son, Well, how do you get your started music? What is it that? What was that moment that you decided that was the avenue you were going to take.

18:48 I started like a lot of kids do, like first second grade. My mom put me in piano lessons and it didn't last long. And then fourth grade, fifth grade come around, it's like hey, school band, you know, and I picked up the saxophone. And then as high school started approaching, I realized none of my favorite rock bands because I was getting into rock music, had saxophone players and I wasn't really into Springsteen. So I my parents were nice enough and bought me a guitar for Christmas, and it just kind of went from there. My story is, you know, a bunch of my friends and I we skateboarded, someone got a guitar, another kid got a guitar. We end up in someone's garage, actually my parents' basement, and we just start playing that. That's basically all it was.

19:45 But back in that we didn't have computer video games, and unless you were going to play HTML on your Commodore sixty four, you know, we had to entertain ourselves. And that was with with music and skateboarding and stuff like that, you know, and music took off, not only for me, but for a bunch of my friends, and everyone's pretty much still playing I think, so yeah. And then, you know, as we got in high school, I actually was in a band with two other friends of mine that got pretty big in the Boston area and we started doing small little tours. Dad was nice enough to lend me his truck, and then after that it just it just kept going. I didn't know how to do anything else, you know. So it's like college didn't interest me.

20:39 It was just playing music. I just never stopped doing it because I'm not good at anything else. Not saying I'm good at this, but. Well I think so based on your new music. So you might have sucked before, but now you're good. It's a good chance I sucked before. If only I wake up just kept sucking, maybe I would have gotten good someday too. It's inevitable, isn't it. Like what the ten thousand hours thing? I've had to put in ten thousand hours by. Now, no doubt. Like I remember my idol for guitar was Randy Rhodes, and I just remember, like finding out that he practiced eight hours a day every day. I'm like, holy shit, I'm not even practicing five minutes.

21:28 Yeah, that's like anything, right. I have a lot of friends that want to be pro golfers, and I'm like, do you know how how many hours a day that's their job? Eight to ten hours? You go to the range once a week. It's not going to happen for. You, right. Well, It's like I played baseball for nine years and I was really really good for that age. Yeah, you know, but you know, you could be the best in your town and still have no shot at making the major leagues. Yeah, it's like a lot of people around here that think they're really good at music and they're good locally, and then they moved down the Nashville, right, it's going up to the next level. It's like, no, don't, Okay, you're gonna try it all right, Hey, so and so is coming back from Nashville. They've only been gone for a month. You know. It's it's one of those things.

22:24 It's a lot of luck though too. It's luck, it's all. I think it's putting up with a lot of bull crap too, because, like absolutely I was at Mentallica's first shows in the beginning, and you know, those dudes worked their butt off, man, like for ten years. They were just serious road dogs that shared a floor with three other bands and you know, eight blowney sandwiches with no bread, and like there was no other choice. Yeah, but be Metallica is basically what it came down to. You need to be out there, you need to be seen, you need luck on your side. You know, there's a lot of things to it, so you got to enjoy it.

23:12 If if you're not in it for the ups and the downs, then it's probably not gonna happen. And if you're not having fun in the music industry, you're in the wrong industry because everything else kind of sucks. You know, you're not having fun playing the music. No, it's not always fun, but no, you gotta take the good with the bad. Can't get frustrated with the bad, and don't take too much of the good. Yeah, you know so, and so you'll You'll also be having some live dates coming up here, So that's cool.

23:53 Yeah, we got a bunch of stuff coming up. We get what we're calling our record release shows this weekend with Dangerous Toy is Friday and Saturday. I don't know what we have after that. The only the next big thing we have in February, we're doing like a five day run with Lynch Mob. Oh cool. So and then I think we're gonna tour in twenty twenty six. All that stuff is waiting on other things to happen. You know, there's tentative plans I can't really talk about yet, but you know, some some sort of tour in twenty twenty six first quarter, most likely summertime. Yeah, and I'm just putting this out there in the universe, but I think your band would be perfect playing Rockklahoma.

24:39 Oh. I would love to play Rockklahoma. Like you would sit in perfectly. Whoever's booking Roklahoma listen to him. There you go, like I'm putting it out there at the university there love us. So anything else you want to tell the listeners we haven't covered already. Besides, also tell everybody how to connect to you on so on the web about a buying a new album, all that good stuff. You can get the album and we have these really cool bundles with autograph stuff and other little treats in there. On rappac records dot com. That's the record company you can go to purchase Street Records, which is Rogers store. He can get the album through there. And then our socials all centers. Cult dot com is the website, and then there's all the social media stuff on there. YouTube videos on YouTube are YouTube page. We'll have some more stuff coming out, a couple more videos. We're always coming up with new merch Inside of that album cover there's an old school merchandise sheet like the old Motley Krue albums and stuff like kiss albums where you could actually order stuff, and there's a whole list in pictures of stuff on there that you can order. And I know for this weekend, we got a bunch of merch that no one would expect, but we're gonna have it all available starting this weekend.

26:07 Well, they have to buy your mercher and they can't listen to my show because that's the only way. That's the only way you guys survive nowadays is merch. You know. Yeah, we get to do a lot of stuff because of our merch sales, and that's why we put our name. We've got hot sauce, We've got all kinds of stuff, so it's we put our name on a bunch of stuff and hopefully you can find something that you enjoy. Nice. You know. I even remember, like kids are missing out on this, but I remember when I bought the love Gun album. I think I was in like fifth grade or something, and I was so excited because it had that popper gun in it. Yeah, love Gun. That was the popper that we all were into at that stage.

26:53 And I was like I was in school and brought the school of like check this out, and that's what kids are today. You like it. Absolutely, There's there's always been cool stuff inside of albums. I'll always remember one of my favorite albums when I was a kid was Paradise Theater by Styx. You took it out and on the backside of the album it had that I don't know how they do it, but it was like an oil embossed around the edges of the women from the side of the Paradise Theater building that you could see on the album if you tipped it. It's like one of the coolest things ever. You know, is stuff like that that you don't get on.

27:33 TikTok now and I used to. I was also a Beatles freak. I bought all the Beatles albums looking for all the clues for Paul McCartney being dead. Yeah, yeah, Ball's dead. Oh man, It's it's good stuff and you know, love to try to bring it back and that's kind of what we're doing. Well, good for you, and I'm glad you are because that's good for us and I hope so keep doing it, brother, And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me and you see everybody soon. Thank you for listening to the adventures of pipemin on w for c u I Radio