PipemanRadio Interviews We Are Sovereign

0:04 Hi, you have done too, that's sure. Why Crazy Young Way, Why Become of America. It's time for the Adventures of Pipe Man on W four c HY dot com. West pomp Beats is number one internet radio station. Here's your host, the White Man, John. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm very excited about our next guest because, uh, we're going across the pond on a phoner. But I was just over across the pond, as you guys know, in covering a couple festivals. So I'm glad to be talking to this band because they rock. So let's welcome to the show. Laura from We Are Sovereign. How are you? Hey? I'm really good man.

1:18 How are you? Oh? Doing amazing? Like I'm always gonna say that though, even when the world's even when the world kind of sucks. Oh man. So one of the things I do love I want to talk about right off the bat about your music is I talk about all the time how music is the greatest therapy for the artist and for the listener, and I think you guys are the perfect example of that and your motto. I absolutely love that because not only am I radio person, podcast person, but I'm also a motivational speaker person. So I love positive stuff and I love helping others because listen, just about everybody on the face of the earth is in pain for some reason or another, and how they cope with that pain makes the difference, and music makes the difference. I absolutely love your motto and it goes like this. We speak for those who feel giving up.

2:23 We speak for those who feel like they have lost the way, We speak for those who fear the unknown. We are sovereign, and I think that speaks for everybody. Man. You hit on all points there. That's what we tried to do. We tried to get something together that everyone can relate to. And we we wanted to feel like a family, do you know what I mean? Like we really wanted to have something you can read and get to know the band in seconds and what we're about exactly. And you know, we are a family to me and music We're all family. I see that. See that's one of the cool things. Like I go on tour and I do all the music festivals and the one common ally at least in the metal and the punk and the rock festivals. I can't say so much for like country and others because it's not necessarily the same. But for us, it's like there are no outsiders. We're all the outsiders on the inside, you know, and right you know, and like nobody. It's the safe place. Like I can go to something like Bloodstock or download and I'm in my safe place with Like sometimes I'll call my kids, I'll be like, yeah, I'm hanging out with fifty hundred thousand of my closest friends.

3:46 Because it is like a big family. We're all like a big family and we're the rest of the world is kind of fighting with each other. We're joining together no matter who we are, and we just have this you know, philosophy of you do you, and we're just one big family. That's what I love that. I feel like it's a massive community in like no matter what gig you go to, no matter what festival you go to, you'll, you know, you'll end up on the grass talking to some random person that you've just met and you feel like you've known your life. It happens every time. I love it. You know what I find too, I find the people that I meet at festivals that maybe at best I see them once a year. They're the ones that are more there for me than the people I see every day. Yeah, yeah, I love that.

4:34 It's wild, right, you know that right there quite my attention. Even if your music sucked, which it doesn't. Your music is your music is badass. But even if it sucked, what say that I said for the listeners? I didn't pay you to say that, by the way, I know, right, But even if it did, you know, this would be enough for me because like, and you add your own journey. We all have journeys, and you add your own journey to come to this music. And I love because there's different types of people out there. There are some people that go through their journey and they don't share, you know.

5:15 But it's like, even when I get up on stage and do a motivational speech, there's things I say to that audience that I that my closest people in my life don't even know is in my head, you know. And I think that's what music is too. As an artist, you can express all these things that can help other people, but you may not express those things to your closest mates in everyday life. But through a song, it's kind of different. You're it's cathartic exactly. Yeah, a spot on. I completely agree with that. I feel like it's you know, I feel like even probably my parents listening to the album, they're probably like whoa.

5:58 I mean, like, you know why I'm laughing because my dad's up with us? Aymore. But I remember the first motivational It was a cassette tape We're going back now, cassette tape that I made that I was like selling that people were buying to, you know, listen to my motivational stuff. He listened to it and the only thing he focused on is something I said about him and me being homeless at fifteen, and he took it offensively and he got pissed off, told me to take it off the tape and all this stuff. And so that's why I laughed when you said even your parents, because sometimes your parents are the people you don't want to hear this stuff because they either don't want to admit certain things or or they don't agree with you or whatever, and that you're not they're not getting out of it what other people are. No, I get you. I feel as well, like your parents they know you on a different level, don't they yes, it's like a different kind of like you said, relationship. Yeah, well it's true even with my kids, Okay, like the person they know and the person at like festivals, that those are two different people that they know. Because sometimes too, when you're a parent, you're not being one hundred percent you with your kid because you're busy being a parent, and you

7:29 know, maybe there's some things they don't need to know, or may maybe there's some things you believe in that maybe you won't express to them because, let's say it, you may hurt their feelings, you know, because a lot of times we as kids and we're different generations, we have different beliefs than our parents. And sometimes the parents don't like that. But sometimes they accept it, sometimes they don't. The times they accept it though, it's not like you can really talk about it, they just accept it, and they're not the ones you go to for sure. Yeah, you know, and I see it with my kids too. There's like certain things that if they came to me with it's kind of different than when a stranger comes to me with it. For exactly what you were saying, Yeah, so I want think, well, thanks, so I want to know why it seems a lot of the UK bands really just lai their hearts into line and writing music. Like one of my favorite bands and my favorite lyricist of all time is Ali from Bring Me Absolutely Agree. He is one of my biggest inspirations.

8:43 He absolutely smashes everything. Oh and it just blows my mind his lyrics. I just relate to them so much, and he's so honest, like you know, and like some of those lyrics he wrote while he was in rehab, so it was like definitely one hundred percent therapy for him, but it's totally therapy for me and the you know, millions of others that he helps out there, and I find a lot of UK bands are like that. Like it's very It's very interesting too because I was actually married to a brit And it's funny. On one side, the English are supposed to be more reserved, supposedly, or that's the image that people think, especially here in America, and like you don't express emotions and don't do that. But then on the other hand, artists like you or Ali or anybody else, it's the exact opposite. You're just putting it all out there in the songs.

9:46 Yeah, definitely, Yeah, that image that people think we have not true. I'm an absolutely teddy bear as well. And me, I'm a very very emotional person, and I think it's really important to be raw as well. Like you know, I feel like people can relate to things more and you know, we just like, yeah, it's I got me always like I said, But he's one of my big inspirations and I've always looked up to him and everything that he does. That even their music videos he writes them, doesn't he like he does a lot of that and that itself, like yeah, he's so real that, you know. When I interviewed Jordan from Bring Me, he said during the interview, he's like, yeah, you just never know on stage what Ali might say, Like it's they just have resolved themselves that he's gonna say something like that. Wesn't plan.

10:43 That comes just straight from him and you just never know what he's going to say. And I think that's so important because that's why people can relate. And I think, yeah, by looking at your songs, you know, you're on a parallel level there, you know, And I think it's because of your journey that led you to make music like today, Like you know, if you think about the beginning of your musical journey, would you say it's drastically different than it is now? Absolutely one hundred percent. I feel like the way it all started was I saw a drum kit in the music room at secondary school and I was like, I want to play that, and then I taught myself out to play, and then I gradually went into vocals. I heard, you know, tears don't fall by bullet bullet from my Valentine. Yeah, at the beginning of that, I heard that, and I was like, I want to scream for a band. I want to I want to do it. I want to get off from behind the kit and I just want to jump around and I want to front. And you know, looking back to how it all started, I used to you know, do covers and cover bands. And then we used to go around the you know, around the UK. None of us like could drive.

11:52 We used to. I used to have all my drum gear on me. I used to crazy, I'd have a symbol bag over my chest, you know, stands coming out underneath the straps holding a snare drum. We used to get trains everywhere. We didn't get paid for any shows like it was. We used to just you know, I remember one gig I did. I went to the hospital because I'd sprained on my ankle and then they were like, don't use it for two weeks or you know, it could get worse. I literally walked out the hospital and went into the gig in Preston. I was like, you know, looking back on it all, like it's crazy how much it's all changed. Obviously, Like now we have more of a professional perspective on it. You know, we look at it as a business. Like when you're young, you're kind of reckless and you just do everything and you know, you don't have any planning involved really, you just kind of just do it. And I think that's what's changed the most is the perspective of everything and we take it, you know, we look at it as a business, and yeah, that makes so much sense.

12:50 And the other thing I think of, as you were saying that, is when you're a young artist, like a teenager, so you're just surviving on pure ang and you don't really grow as an artist till later when you start realizing. You know, you're talking about being a professional and training as a business, but even to go a step further, as like perfecting your craft like you're a teenager. You don't care if you sound like shit stage that I remember I used to just drink and get on stage drunk all over the place, like you know, years ago, and now you know, it's a different, different view of it all. You care what you sound like.

13:31 You want to be the absolute best. You know, you want to look after yourself. And i'd say that's that's a different thing as well. Yeah, you know you like you said, you learn from you because you know, I started out when I was about fifteen and I'm thirty four this month, and the amount of years I've had to you know, have had in the time to learn from my mistakes, what works, what doesn't, you know, even my technique with screaming, like I've changed that over the years as well, like the way I do it because I used to, I'll be honest, Like when I first started doing that, I used to lose my voice so he could taste blood. I thought, if I'm going to do this seriously, I need to get a technique that I can, you know, work with. And obviously now got to the point at this age where I warm up, I take it seriously. I can scream I don't lose my voice. So, like you said, perfecting your craft.

14:20 Absolutely, It's so funny you should say that because it is all about technique, because I'm actually I was just talking to somebody recently that they do like vocal lessons for people that want to scream and growl and stuff like that, and we were talking. I mean, I sang thrash metal when I was a teenager, and I would have never I don't even I would sit there and think, I don't know how anybody could do this for long term because I wasn't doing it right. So, you know, and now like once in a while on my show, I may sing like one song and I'm halfway through in my throats already like screwed, because I know what I'm doing, you know. And so to your point, once you know some techniques, you know, it's not as hard and it's not as hard on your vocal cords and on your body like otherwise, how you going to last forever?

15:16 Especially you start doing two hour gigs, you know, how are you going to sing like that without technique and still have a voice at the end of the night. Yeah, definitely, And I'm glad I've learned that now, because I wouldn't have a career if not. You know, but I dread every show. I'm excited to do shows now, and I don't you know, I don't walk off stage signing like this right people, because I you know, I just kept figured about what am I doing wrong? You know? And like I said, I wasn't warming, I wasn't drinking enough water. I didn't care, just picked up the mic and just did it. Yeah, exactly, got okay. So it's an instrument, isn't it, you know? One hundred and and it's probably the most delicate instrument of all. You know, you can't really replace it. It's not like a you bust your guitar, you're going and getting a new guitar. Yeah, that's what I hate as well, Like when you know, if you're ill or anything like that, you got cold. I always say to people, if I could go out and buy a voice just right, it's not you know, it's just a it's one of them you can't control. Really, you can't do a degree. But if you're ill, that's it. Oh hundred and going back to what you said about starting on the drums, what I instantly thought of, and I even saw recently him interviewed talking about this.

16:36 It's Dave Grohl because when he drummed for Nirvana. First of all, he doesn't even think he's a good drummer, okay. And second of all, he didn't really have input in the band. You know, it was all Kurt, you know, and he talks about this and doesn't talk about it in negative way. You know, they were just asking him, you know, how you make the jump and how do you become this great guitar player, front man and stuff. And it's not because he didn't have a lot to say. He just wasn't able to say it, so to speak, you know, So like going to the front. All these things are built up inside you, they come out and that makes you, to me a much better artist. Because what is music it's emotion. So if you can't express these emotions because they're stifled, you are going to be limited as an artist. No, absolutely, I agree with that. I feel like, you know, when I was in bands drumming, like, I had so many concepts in my head and so many things. But I know in a band everyone can have their input and stuff. But when you're younger, it's usually you know, in bands it's usually the vocalist who writes the lyrics and majority of the time, so I always felt that I always felt I had a lot to say, but I couldn't. Yeah, that's why.

17:57 That's one of the Obviously I have a lot to say say in regards to my journey and what I went through, But I feel like one of the reasons as well is I just had so much to say in express and I wanted to start the concepts and build it all and then get people on board so that I could, you know, get it all out, Like I had all the ideas before I met all the members, like the you know, the concept of the album, for example, and that's you know, exactly spot on what you said, Like, I just had so much to say. Yeah, and you know, even if somebody changes the words, it's not what you were looking to express. And that Dave said something about days like there were a few songs that Kurt really really liked that Dave wrote, but yeah, he said, you know, he was definitely going to change some of the lyrics, and like if you change the lyrics, maybe it's a better song, but it's not the song you wanted to put out there. Yeah, Yeah, that. That's the thing, like when you know when you've you've written the lyrics, like me and Ash wrote the lyrics together, but we've both been through numerous things the same, so you know, when we're you know, for example, loss, you know, we've we've all lost somebody in our lives, and you know, forming those lyrics, we both feel the emotion for it. Like, so yeah, it's it's that's what it's hard, isn't it. Like you said, if you've got a song and you want your own way of doing it in your own lyrics, and it gets past to somebody else and they change it, it's

19:29 not the same. Outcome doesn't feel the same. Yeah, no, I get what you mean on that. So I feel the emotion. Yeah, exactly, And especially when you're an artist like yourself that you know, unlike somebody that's writing like bubblegum lyrics, but you're writing from deep down. Yeah, you know, it's kind of hard. It's just like so a few years back, he's not with us anymore, but my head engineer at my studio, he was also a musician, and so I wrote this song one day, like several years back, and I like I write books, so I wrote a song like a book, and I brought it to him and he's like, what is this? It's a book and he's like we and we start like collabing and he's like making it into a song and he's like, can we get rid of this and everything? Every time he said that, I'm like, no, it's important, but you know we had to get rid of certainly, like you can keep everything. But it's like, to me, every single line was important, Like, no, we can't shorten this. This is everything I want to say, you know. So it's like chump to one I know. Right, So that must be hard to for like somebody like you. You have so much to say, but really it's gotta be saved for other things because it can't all go into one

20:59 song. Yeah yeah, yeah, I've still got so much to say, believe me, right, So I feel like that. I feel like I need about fifty albums to express everything I've got to say. There you go see. And so the latest album I love the name of it too, Step out your comfort Zone. Okay. So I talk about that all the time in motivational stuff because it's only really way you're gonna get what you want out of life. And you're gonna heal exactly. Yeah, as long as you're in that comfort zone, you will not heal. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people, as you as you probably talk about the use security as a blanket, and I feel it's something about to teach myself like I never I never used to be able to do it. I used to think, oh, but I'm safe here, I'm safe here, and I thought, but I'm not getting anywhere. I'm not I'm not being anywhere I want to be. So like how I explain it is you have that bit where you start to question you and I need to I need to act. Then you have the middle bit where you feel uncomfortable acting on it, and you've got the end. But I haven't there that which not a lot of people see. They're just stagnant, and it's you've really it's so uncomfortable as well like doing it. And I've done it several times and like I said, I've only ever seen results if I get uncomfortable. Yeah, And it's so important to do. And that's that's why we called the album that because we feel we really feel that we really want to show people that what can happen

22:29 if you do branch out your comfort zone. Everything I did with this band was out of my comfort zone. Started it from scratch, did all the music like you know, we all got we all had our input and everything, but it might not have you know, not one person might not have even listened to our songs. So it's kind of like a lottery of doing it. You don't know where it's going to go. And that's what it's like being in a band. You know, it's you're literally waking up doing a lottery every day. You don't know where it's going to go. You're investing all this time or this money, so you kind of out your comfort zone every day because you if you don't know what's going to be the end result. You know, I think when they put comfort zone in the dictionary, a picture of a band should be there because, like I agree me, a picture of you crying right right, like it's the ultimate in Most people don't realize this that they think of artists geting up on stage and doing what they do and they think they're extroverts, and most of them are introverts, and it's kind of hard for people to grasp that concept. But being that introvert, gating up on that stage and bearing your soul to a crowd of people, no matter how many they are, That is definitely not in your comfort zone. Absolutely not. Like I say to people, like I turn into someone completely different on stage. I'm like, you know, I just just turn into the zone. Whereas in real life, once you get to know me, I'm not very shy, but I am I'm not loud, you know. I mean, I'm like, like, you know,

24:00 the speaking sense, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm I speak quite calm. I am crazy, though, do you know what I mean? Oh, I know exactly what you mean. I was interviewing. I was interviewing somebody aftershock, and my my media partner after the interview goes, wow, I have never imagined him to be so like low key and calm. And and so again there's the you know what people think because and it's you hit the word I say all the time, whether I'm on the radio or I'm on stage, I go into this zone. Like the minute the mic turns on or I step on stage, it's like I'm in this zone and it is a different person that comes out, but it is you.

24:45 But it's to you that people don't don't necessarily see you know life, don't you right exactly? Yeah, secret double life. And isn't it funny? Because I experienced this a lot. Isn't it funny when you meet people as that stage personality and they're kind of like, for lack of a better way of punting it, they're kind of let down and they meet the real you that's not the stage you, and it doesn't live up to what they have in their head of who you are. You know. Yeah, you have that saying, don't they never meet your idols? Right exactly? Because it is so funny because like I have this, you know, pipe Man is my radio personality, and I've literally I've literally met women that want to go out with pipe Man, but they don't want to go out with Deep because pipe Man's their image. It's it's kind of a weird social experiment.

25:48 Yeah, well, just that curiosity. Where did you get that name from? Pipemer? Okay, So that's funny. A lot of bands ask, and they always assume it's something very different. It's very simple. My last name is Piper, and so somebody just called me pipe Man way back in the day one day and it just stuck, you know, and so like a lot of bands always think it's about something else, you know, and I always I always laugh. I always laugh about it, and you know it is it's funny. It doesn't bother me though, but I get that question from artists as much as press people ask bands how they got their band name. I was so curious. I was I have to have to ask him, not see. I love it though, because it's like almost like every time artist says that they're interviewing me, like the tables are switched.

26:42 What's well, if you saw what my hair was before a few months ago, you would know the answer to that because I had I had bright blue hair. So there there's your answer to that. You know that's cooler. So well, what was cool too, is like so I would go and do these festivals and when I'm setting up interviews, they're like, well, how we fund you? Well, I'm the one with the blue hair and in the press tent you can't miss me. So yeah, and you know it is. I actually do like it when ours turn the tables and they start interviewing me, because it is kind of cool. It's just like, Okay, I just did Aftershock and I was asked to interview The Power Hour, which is this TV show that includes Katie Babbs from Serious ExM Matt Pinfield, who's like a legend, and Josh Bernstein, who's the legend behind the scenes. And I was like, you know, I've interviewed so many people, and I'm this is the time I was nervous because I was interviewing like a peer, you know, like you know, it's kind of weird, you know, because it's like, well, they do what I do, so hmm, Like I gotta make sure I'm really on my best, you know, because I know I would be if the table were turned, I'd

28:15 be looking at the person going hmm, yeah they're really good or yeah no, I wouldn't do an interview like that. I respect people that they're interviews. It must be it must be hard because you never know what you're gonna get. On the other side, I guess you never know what you're gonna It's true, it's true. But that's why I do it the way I do it, where I'm doing it like just as a conversation, because then it takes a life of its own, you know, and then you really find out something about the artists instead of regurgitating the same shit everybody else is asking, you know. And one of the stories I tell about that that sticks in my mind most is Lacy Stern and when I interviewed her one time, and you know, when you're at festival, they, you know, the tour managers, like, you got a hard ten minutes, and then if ten minutes comes and you're not done, they're like pointing out their watch.

29:06 And I'm pretty good that and I understand why you do that. But one time I'm talking to her and I asked her about something that nobody asks her about, which shocked me, and the tour manager came over and started tapping his watch and she shoot them away. And then afterwards, after and she spoke to me for like a half an hour, and afterwards she gave me this big hug and she's like, thank you nobody. It's like one of my biggest passions. And nobody asked me about it, you know, because everybody wants to ask all the same stupid questions over and over again. And basically what it was about was, you know, she was a suicidal teenager. Music saved her life and her and Sonny from Pod and some other artists go out and they like, do these tours to help suicidal teens?

29:52 You know, And to me, that's a pretty big thing. How are pressed people not asking about that? Like that's that's more important? And then you know, the lyrics to a song that they've asked that question every time, like a hundred times, or or how do you get your band name? Or something like that. You know, some of that stuff's just common sense, but this is digging that deep to somebody's pure passion. That's why I want to hear like people's stories, you know, besides just the music, you know, because those stories are what led to the music. Yeah. I love that. I love why you like delve into people a little bit more, another relaxed approach. Yeah, because I think people don't understand.

30:36 I even say this to people that help me at festivals, that are working with me. I'm like, they're just people, you know, like and it's like people forget that they're normal people with normal problems. I don't know if normal is the keyword, because I don't think there is such a thing as normal. But you know, I'm not normal, Yeah, neither am I so, but you know, like you're just there's a person behind the artists. It's not just the artist. There's a person behind that artist, and there's a reason that person is an artist, and I want to find out what that reason is because that that's the key to why they can help people through their art. Absolutely, And when you've been through things yourself, your main aim is to go heal other people. And I know that's mine. I mean, I really want to I've been through come out the other side. I don't want to help other people. When you see something in front of you and you see an example of somebody going through it and coming out the other side, gives you hope, It gives you push, you know what I mean, oh, one hundred percent. And that's why I gone back to what I said earlier. When I do motivacial speeches, I talk about stories of my life that like nobody knows about because I'm a private person. Oun't really lay it out there like that, but I lay it out on stage because there's somebody out there that I might change their life with that story, you know, and and help them, you know, because a lot of people are going through stuff and they feel they're all alone

32:09 in the world, and actually they're most of the people in the world are going through the same or similar things. Yeah, even just as simple just seeing something or having a conversation with somebody, or just the simplest of things can give you hope, can't They like a song, just anything, just one sentence. I know when I've been in the darkest places, just having one conversation with someone. Sometimes it can be a stranger that you've just met, or a taxi driver and they'll say one thing and it will give you that hope. It will give you, do you know what I mean? Ladder of like randomness, and but it's you know, it's the best, and it's what keeps you know, it's what helps us survive. Yes, exactly. So to go back to what I said in the beginning, that's what makes your band and you cool as hell. And everybody's got to check you guys out. How do they check out your socials? Connect with you on socials, check out your website, your music merch. You got some cool merch that they need to buy because listen, you know, that's the only way bands survive today. And so they're not allowed to listen to my show unless they support bands by buying merch. Very true. Yeah, we're everywhere. We've got Facebook search we are Sovereign. We're on Instagram we are Sovereign Official. We've got Twitter, We're on TikTok. Our main website for merch is we are Sovereign band dot bigcartail dot com. Well on all of our socials, we've got a link tree and it's got absolutely everything in there.

33:42 YouTube is a good place because I'd say we're a very visual band as well. Our YouTube is just you know, we are Sovereign. We've got a lot of music videos for tracks off the album, and I feel like that's the way people can really relate to what we're about and what we're trying to trying to say. I love it. I love it, And you know, just like you said, you could write fifty albums with all you have to say, I think if we I think we could probably be doing this for another fifty hours and still not have any dead air. So it's we'll have to do it again sometime. And you know, I'm glad you're helping people out there with with your journey and expressing it in your art.

34:24 And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. No, thank you very much. Thanks for having me and if you are going to come to the UK and do any speeches, because I'd love to come. I haven't done any speeches there. I come there to do download and bloodstock, but now maybe I should because you know, the more I talk to bands like you, I find that my speeches might be good there. Like you know, previous previous misconceptions that US Americans have is like, oh, nobody would listen to that over there. I absolutely live for motivational speeches, like I love it. I've been on YouTube and I've actually searched for some and yeah, I do. I watch them. There's a lot of people out there that do as well. I love it. My second wife was was a brit and she hated it, like so ergo, It's like being an artist and being and somebody hating your music. You can't really be married to them.

35:22 Yeah, yeah, I don't think it would be with someone who's like, yeah, we are soofering a shipmate. I'll be like, work is it you have to fight your bag? See you later? Yeah, exactly, exactly so and like you know, you know, I don't know if you notice. I tell this to a lot of my British friends, but sometimes the Brits that come over here to America. They're the ones that create the bad image because they come over here and they try to like act differently, you know, because like my ex she acted like she was hoity toity, like royalty and she's really from Newcastle. We call them, yeah, like and I never knew what that meant till I start talking to artists eventually and they're like, oh my God, like, caldn't you tell by the accident, I'm like, no, she spoke like the proper like queen's language, queen language. The Americans seem to think we're really posh be coming off the plane in the ball gown, I know, right, crown on hello everyone, right, everyone thinks we all are all mates with a queen as well because the Queen. Yeah, it's like asking us do we know the president? Like, I mean, I don't know that. I want to know way of the presidents either. So my mate George is from America,

36:54 you know him? I mean, I know, right, It's crazy, it's like that exactly. Well, everybody needs to know you guys, because you rock. Thank you and thank you so much. Hey, my pleasure, and we'll do it again. And you keep rocking and you keep helping the world. Yeah, definitely if we get over to America, we'd love to have you come to us or vice versa. Come to the UK. Let me know, and I've come to your speech all right, definitely one hundred and I look forward to it. Yeah, thank you for having me. It's been a great interview. I'd loved it. Thank you. Thank you for listening to the adventures of Patemn. I'm w for CUI Radio.