PipemanRadio Interviews The Glorious Sons on Shiprocked 2025

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1:07 Brett Emmons from The Glorious Suns. Nice here on ship Rock on ship Rock. Have you played ship Rock before? Yes? How many times? Just once? Like seven years ago? Wow? What did it feel like when you got invited back? It was nice? It's great, Like we want as much exposure as possible. How do you like playing on the boat posed to festivals? Being on the boat. My room has a balcony and I get the lookout over the water, and it's kind of like romantic in a way to be in that tight quarter. And if you're on a hotel that moves and right in a sea of nothingness except for blue, I think that's pretty cool. And I was thinking about it yesterday, like I don't know how anybody could complain.

1:53 I know, I think about too, like how cool is it that you're playing on the boat and there's nobody for miles a mile, so you like you don't even like nobody has to think about how loud it is or whatever. It's like you're just out in the middle of nowhere in a private concert. Yeah. I always wanted to like take a frighter so my dog could travel with me to Europe. Like obviously it's a crap shoot dream, it's not a real dream, but looking it up and that, But that's pretty much what I'm doing right now. Yeah. Right, you know what kind of dog? It's a border coal he slash Ausie shepherd. Nice. Yeah, how old? How long are four years old?

2:34 Wow? Yeah? That does the dog come on tour with you? We tried that once and it was too much stimulation, yeah, you know, just too many new people. And by the end of it, he was acting pretty weird and wasn't shitting. So I sent him home with my mom and dad's and he got there and immediately took like five craps. Yeah, he was not digging too much for him. Yeah. I was pretty upset, to be honest, because I didn't really know what was wrong with him? Yeah, that's just not the place for a dog. I should have been smarter. Sometimes it's too much for you, isn't it. I would say that, Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, So thinking of them, they're like and they're so sensitive to your ears and everything like that. So but it would be kind of cool you're playing on stage and see your dog side stage.

3:23 Yeah, well, it's nice coming down to him after the show. Liking or not. He is my best buddy, so hey, there's a reason. Yeah. They always love you no matter what. They're always happy to see you. You know, I have four kids. The dog was always yeah, the nicer one. Yeah, dog always loves you. It never hates you, never yells at you, never disrespects you, and he's always happy at your home and doesn't give you the fucking evil eye. Enough right, Yeah, man, what are you gonna do after ship Rock? What's going on for twenty twenty five? For just chilling? Like we're writing and we got some shows obviously, but yeah, we're just seeing.

4:06 What happens the writing process. How would you say it's different now compared two years ago? For you, Well, we've been through a lot of different writing processes. So like at the start of our career, we would just get in and drink beer and jam, right, was awesome, and then you know, it turned into we go in when the songs. You get a batch of songs and you pile it on top of one another, and now we're back to, like, I guess, an amalgamation of the two, where we're just kind of jamming, but with a little more direction. Sometimes I think it would be cool to have no direction and just see what happens, right, I think that might be a cool way to do it as a band again. So maybe I'll try that with the guys and just see what it sparks. Because sometimes a song is great. It's important to play to a song, but sometimes if you're playing in the confines of a song, you're not allowing people to be like free to break structures too, yeah, to do things. Part of me does think it would be cool to go back and just with nothing, just see what happens.

5:15 I think it's cool because like, okay, you take bands like The Dead as an example, Yeah, like you never knew what was going to come out, Oh yeah, you know, And I think that's cool, and that's why people were so cultish about it, because you could go to literally every show anywhere and it'd be a different show. Yeah, Whereas like I even find now like I'd cover all the festivals and by the end of the season, like when I've seen a band like ten twenty times to show, right, Yeah, I sit there and people like how you like, I'll sit there and quote what they say in between songs. You know how you know that I've only seen them ten million times this year? Okay, Well, this thing is it is a show, right, right.

5:56 That's one of the things is at the end of the day, you're trying to put on a show. And some people do feel better if they're more prepared in that way to do that. So it does make sense. But I do think there is also something to be said with just being president in a moment and trying to have faith in kind of the unexpected. I believe that wholeheartedly. And I think for a musician, Okay, a true musician can't be stuck in these guidelines and this one straight road or whatever, because isn't part being a musician. Isn't that like being creative, experimenting, seeing what you can do? Yeah, where you can go?

6:44 I would say, Yeah, I think I mean too. I mean that's you even your music. I mean, there are great outliers like ACDC. For some reason, you respect them for doing the same thing for years, and they are definitely one of the greatest rock bands of all time. They were my first love. But when I'm in it personally, if we were to just keep on doing the same things, it's just not as fulfilling. Right, and not fun. No, And like, and I guess you have a vibe. Yeah, so if you're in a certain mood and vibe and just let that vibe, just go with it. Yeah, you know, and I think some of the greatest solos that's where it comes from. Like artists can just do whatever comes in their head and no structure whatsoever.

7:36 Yeah, And it's not even necessarily what comes in their head, because I think a lot of times actually they're just kind of relying on their unconscious and their fingers and the crowd. Yeah. And then they can make patterns, yea. Then they can make the patterns afterward, they can connect the dots afterward. But sometimes I think that we actually rely on our heads too much. Maybe, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, what would you say, if you were to pick one story good or bad, crazy, not crazy, that really is implanted in your head from all these years of music, what would it be. Well, there's a lot of them, and whenever I get asked these questions, even though there's a lot of them, I can ever think of them.

8:20 That's usually the case. That's why I love the question. It's like wow, it gets people to think. Jesus still thinking that's cool. A story like something like just it doesn't even have to be downport, it's just something like holy shit. I don't think there's really like anything that sticks out that right now coming to my brain. But we were discussing a couple of days ago touring and the best part of touring is when you get back on the bus and there's like nine of you and you're sitting in this cramped space and you got liquor and beer, and you're moving on the road and you're gonna stop at a gas station and people are gonna get off and get shit snacks, you throw a movie on. You just sit there and you're together and you still like each other, and you're getting drunk together or maybe not even having to get drunk, and you're just smiling and hanging out. I don't think that there's a lot of people that can experience what it's like to make a career out of a hunting camp. Right, it's honestly unbelievable when you actually like take when you take that into account and realize that you're very lucky just to be able to do it. And it's just if you can make good out of the mundanity of what you're doing.

9:42 I think that's the key. And you have to get along, like you're a family and you're around each other like that, and you don't get along. That's the recipe for detection. You can have it. You can have a shit show sometimes like the worst show, and people can be off and you can be off. You get back on the bus when you're done, kind of laughing about it. It doesn't change anything in your life. Yeah, I love that. Who cares? Right, you're just having fun. Well. I find there's two types of people. There's people that can go on the road. Yeah, there's people that can't. Oh yeah, And by what you're saying, you love being on the road, and it just takes a certain type. I go through it too, Like sometimes I'll bring one of my daughters to festivals and the first day halfway Thursday's like that. I don't know how you do this every weekend, Yeah, I'm done to ray, I'm like, I don't know how. I don't. I get home just like you do, and it's like fucking depressing to be home.

10:37 YEA guy want to go back out. Yeah, you know, and sometimes you don't want to go right. And then you just seclude. Yeah, that's what I do. I like, like before ship Rock, the festival season's over, so there's like a month gap. I don't think I left a house for like a month. Yeah, you know. Oh, and it's good too. And if I learned to be happy there and happy exactly, then I think that something figured out. And that's the long I think that's one of the hardest thing things that touring musicians deal with is the come downs and the getting back up to raising their energy levels to kind of get back to perform. That's not yeah, it's not really anything that you can explain to somebody. It's just it's a unique life. But yeah, you have to take certain steps to preserve yourself and to say thankful in a way.

11:29 Yeah, because you're constantly on emotional roller coaster when you're a road dog. Yeah, well yeah, and believe me, sometimes I get off stage, we have a crappy show, and I fucking snap right, I'm learning how to not do it because I'm mad. I'm mad at myself. I've you know, you equate it, not this, but you equate it to Michael Jordan. We're sports background guys. We want to go out there and we want to perform. So if you're not performing at your top level, don't really hurt yourself. Yeah, you get better at it. And like I said, you get back on the bus and you just have fun because. You're your own worst critic. Anyway, when you're an artist, you're your own worst critic. Like how many times do you get off in your piss because you thought it was a bad show, but yet the audience were like cheering, like it's the best show ever.

12:21 Yeah yeah, yeah, you know you still always I think you always have something in you that you can be better. And yeah, if you can learn to tame that a little bit, it's good. But I think you can't lose it either, because I don't know it serves you in the pursuit of I guess art and yeah, world domination. Right. How do you find the ship rockers the people that come on ship rock compare to people that see you at your shows at the festivals. Are they like a different breed? I would say that the shiprockers they there's an individuality and each person, like everybody is trying to look as crazy as possible. Like some of the shirts that I've seen are absolutely hilarious. One guy's shirt said I survived the abortion and he was like so normal other than his shirt, I was like, what the fuck's going on here? Right?

13:20 And it was awesome. But yeah, you learn to love them, like they're just all really polite and kind people and everybody's sticking out in their own way and bending in at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, it's really great. I think that it's a bunch of people being themselves and they've got a nice community here. Having fun. That's the main thing. That's the key. Yeah, And I love seeing that the artists have fun that on ship Rocks. Yeah, I've talked to. Rightbody I talked to was having fun. Yeah, so how can it be bad? Yeah? Yeah, And I don't know, to be honest, what people pay to be on here, but it's not cheap, not bad, so fucking good for them. Like, so, no doubt.

14:03 One of my most insane things about coming on chip Rocked is that I'll be able to breathe after this, you know, the festival flew guy. Yeah, you get you get three or four months off or is it three? My last festival is usually in like November, and then I start up again in January, so it's like Jesus, less than two months. But you know how it is, like you can't breathe after a while. The whole time. I don't even know how singers do it with the festival dust. Yeah, because I'm talking and then I get that shit in me and by second third day my voice is done. Yeah, and I'm like, how does singers do it? You know? Trailers? Right? Yeah? Getting out of there afterward. I mean, we played a festival in Vancouver. I think it was called Boone. No it wasn't Boone Stuck because that one's down south. Forget what it was. But we were camping and yeah, the mud was caked on you after three.

15:05 Days, oh, no doubt. Yeah. I can't really tell of the mud effected our voice as much as the nights, but yeah, it's still fun. You kind of just get in the mode. No doubt. Yeah, it's just a it's a lifestyle. Yeah, Like you guys are in a tent, right, like they set up a tent for you. We have a media tent. And then where do you sleep? But you have a hotel offsite or. Do you sleep depends it's our choice. So like I usually stay at a hotel. But there's some that are worth camping, like Rock Oklahoma. I love to camp with Oklahoma. It's like the best camping festival I do. The European and the UK festivals, I won't camp there because have you seen like they carry all their shit for like miles, like at least especially doing me. If I'm camping, like I'll bring a vehicle in so that I have power so I can upload my interviews and do what I gotta do. And then also if there's weather, I'll just have a jeep. I'll sleep in my g I got one ten in the jeep and everything. Yeah, but in Europe, you can't drive up to the campsite really like here, you park on your campsite, no, and you see everybody just walking for like five miles with all their gear it's just how Europe is. I don't know, it's weird.

16:19 And you know, the camping's free in Europe because by law they can't charge extra for the camping. So maybe that's why. Maybe here you're gaining a camping spot and that's what you get a spot, and like we gotta fit everybody. Okay. Maybe I don't know, but I see these people humping their shit for miles through like not even roads, through the grass and stuff all their camping gear. I'm like, yeah, I ain't doing that. Maybe they get like more satisfaction because of it. Oh, they love it. They're used to it. They love it. They're used to it. They don't even they wouldn't even know difference. You'd get used to it too, it would. I would. I don't know, but I will tell you. The campgrounds are crazy over there too, like I did.

16:59 Hell f y yeah, And after the night was over, I'm like, let me see what the campground's like. And they were having shopping cart races. There was the funniest shit ever, and the whole crowd around France. It's like one of the biggest like rock metal festivals in the world. It's really it's kind of a badass festival because they own the whole property, so it's decorated all year round, and like they have a big lemmy fucking sculpture that's like sky high, and then they have like fire at night that goes up all over like you think you're in hell. Okay cool? Yeah, yeah, I like when they do that.

17:39 Yeah, the European festivals are definitely a whole nother level. Yeah, you know, And even if you talk to like hell Fests, perfect example, I talked to a lot of bands, and one thing they always say is like, it's amazing. We love the sound check here to because basically the load in they don't have to do shit. Then they sound check, it takes them like two to five minutes and they have it perfect. Okay. And like the year I did hell Fest after COVID, the first year they had like they did two weekends, three hundred and sixty bands. Yeah, not one band went on late and not one band had sound problems. Could you fucking imagine that? Like that never happens? When does that happen? Like more likely you've probably experienced a shit show with that kind of stuff more often than that, right, Yeah, you know, it's roughly, it's not your sound person, it's somebody else doing this sum you know.

18:32 Well, I feel like they definitely do stuff over there. Somethings better, yeah, and I some things. Yeah, something's better here. Yeah, but I can tell you now ship rocked. I don't know. I think this thing is run like a well oiled machine. Like it's unbelievable, like and even the sound. I was surprised how great the sound is for being on a ship. Yeah, it's amazing. There's also like a charm to like the freedom of American messiness that that you miss when you go do other shit, right, you know, right because we're Canadian, so so. It's Nicole here.

19:13 Yeah, so there's that. I was telling her before. I'm like, the band were interviewed there Canadian because you know how you commands are. I went to stick together. I went to Japan last Christmas after and me and my buddy we got these train tickets and the train looked empty. It's like the bullet train or whatever the hell they call it. It's a really fast one. We're like, well, those seats kind of suck where that we got a sign and there's all these like open seats and we went and sat in it, and the train started filling off and there'd be these big line lineups getting out of the train. Obviously we were being selfish assholes, but we created like a traffic gym of people walking in the train because I didn't it didn't feel like anybody could fatho them that we would just steal seats that wearing arts, you know what I'm saying. Yes, And it's just kind of like blew my mind because you're like walking through people and it was definitely our fault. In America, that just wouldn't happen. People would just.

20:18 Be like, all right, fucking listen, I'm originally from New York in New Jersey. Yeah, gets you get out a train in New York. Yeah, and for themselveslves yeah, Yeah, there's no sign. If somebody says to you, like you're in my seat, do fuck off? Yeah, well and maybe you'll get called out and nobody like a yelling match. But nobody's like sticking to these rules, right, you know, nobody cares. Right. You know, there's like a whole level of rules that people just don't give a shit about and that doesn't exist in Japan. Let me tell you that, like you're like the only guy smoking on the street. You're like, where the fuck is everybody? They have these like back, they have these screen day smoking sections. Oh yeah, on the streets in these places, And I mean, I'm not going to look for one of those every time I want to say, you know, right, yeah, I'm an asshole, I want my smoke.

21:11 How about I was in Singapore and chewing gum is illegal m. I actually heard about that. Yeah, fired, but to their credit, right, And the bathrooms in the Singapore airport are like the cleanest bathrooms I've ever seen in my life anywhere. Yeah, it's you could eat off the bathroom floor. Yeah, it's actually very nice tho. So maybe there's something to that chewing gum either, can you? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so because I quit smoking like seven years ago with bugged me if I couldn't smoke, yeah, because I feel you like, it's like, well. It's just kind of hard if you're addicted. That's the only thing.

21:52 Hey, listen. I was just telling her before, like if I do festivals like well, I used to warp to her, it would be like six hours of interviews, no break, like one after another. I would do that. Fuck, I told her, like, after I'm done, I didn't eat either all that time. Yeah, I smoked a cigarette before eating. Smoking what's more of a priority. But towards the end every interview, while I'm doing the interview, all I hear in my head is I need a cigarette cigarette. Which is so screwed up? Right, Yeah, it's that we do that. I know. Planes, I would always like I lay over, walk out of the airport and have to go back through security like that, I don't smoke. I'm like, man, it's nice.

22:33 I don't have to go through security again. Paying to be a prisoner in your own minds, I know, right, Hell yeah, sign me up there it is. Yeah. So tell people how they can reach out to you. Uh, buy your merch, check out your tour dates, new music, all that good stuff. I believe it's www dot Glorious Suns or maybe it's Glorioussuns music dot com, but it's one of those. And that's where we have merch. And we have an app. It's a tgious Union app that you can download, and we're looking to get a little more active on there to try to reach out on a personal basis in a way I think with today's I guess social media craze of to day is that really there's so much music, so many people, so many artists, and it's a bit of a crapshoot trying to even reach your people that already are on your thing. So it's kind of my opinion that it's smarter to get back in a way to kind of like the one on one if you can.

23:39 So we're trying to figure that out, Like, how do you do the mailing list thing in the modern age? I guess would be the best. Yeah, restart the tape trading days. Seriously though, like in a way, because I think that's a better way to get to the fan of your music and to make sure that it happens because based on algorithms and all this stuff, I don't that I don't necessarily understand, but everything that you're trying to get to them in the first place, but it's getting the more people somehow. I just it's the wild West. So it's a game. So how do you get it back to the personal feeling? How do you get back to the community of it all? And that's what we're going through right now, is how to achieve that. So the app, I think we're hoping to make the app more of that.

24:31 So I think the app is a great idea. Yeah. The problem with the app, just being completely honest, is that who needs another app? That's what I do. Okay, So, like it used to be because I'm iHeart Radio talent and I used to tell people you want to hear the podcast, you gotta go to our iHeart Radio. Yeah you finally had to conform. I'm like, use whatever app you want to use, Like I put it on every single podcast outlet, like so because people don't want to download another app, I don't. Want the extra step. Yeah, that's why all this stuff is being made is to get rid of the steps. Yeah, you have to be pretty important to ask somebody to put an extra step into the process of them consuming information from you or and really we're not so hopefully it works, but if it doesn't, find another way to do it. There you go. But TGS Union at Glorias Sun's Music Www dot whatever, gloriasunsmusic dot com, Instagram, all the shit, all the places you can just go type in our name.

25:32 Love it all right, Well, I am so stoked you're here at ship rock. Thanks man, and thanks for being on the Adventures pipe Man. Thanks for having me, you got it. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of plate Man on w for CUI Radio.