PipemanRadio Interviews Remember Serenity About Autumn

0:04 Hi, you love them too, censure. Wow for you your. You're the best in. The reason I still me. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures Pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with our next guest across the Pond, who not only are great artists, but one of them is a friend of mine and the guy in the purple is not. So let's welcome to the show. Remember Serenity. I don't know if I remember Serenity by way, because I just came from louder in life.

1:03 Not quite not quite the same thing. But we frequently get misnamed on things, and I think, remember Sobriety has been my favorite. Oh yeah, I could see. I could see that. Maybe you should form another band and call it Remember Sobriety, and then and then and then maybe they'll think your name is remember Serenity. Maybe I don't remember Sobriety either, but that's okay now, Actually I do. I know Wayne doesn't. And I can't believe I forgot to put my signature for your See, I fucked up for my that's my signature right there.

1:48 The backdrop as well. Yeah, there you go. See. I was so busy making the backdrop that I forgot that I had to put on the sunglasses because I do all my interviews in sunglasses, and with the sunglasses it's hard to read anything. So you know that I'm not using a script or or notes or anything. You know, I've got the wrong glasses on to be able to read anything. So well, the funny thing is is, uh, I have LASAC and I have mono vision, but now I had a sty last year and it's affected my reading vision. Sometimes it's not even all the time. Sometimes I can read out without the reading glasses, other times I need them.

2:32 It's weird, but you know it must be. I think it's your music. It's so good that it just blurred my vision. Might be it could be. It could be that to sleep in your eyes, possibly exactly. It makes me very serene. It is usually what I can't see too, That's why I'm never serene. But it all seriousness. Man, your music is badass. Thank you, thank you very much. So how does partnership come about? We've been friends for thirty years. Oh, I'm so sorry for you.

3:17 We weirdly, we actually initially met because a mutual friend of ours knew that Wayne was looking for a singer. For you know, band way way back, and I thought it was a chat up line and told him I wasn't interested, So I didn't sing for him thirty years ago and it took what twenty seven. Years or something to finally nice. Yeah, i'd like to say here, so obviously we've got this. We have got a lot of a bond obviously from thirty year friendships. So it's very easy to do this, like when you know, sometimes you're in bands and there's they're very much different, different difference of opinion with this between you know, the bass and singer or the guitarist and drum or whatever, but.

3:59 With just the two makes it easier. Yeah, and the fact that we're very very like minded, so it kind of works well. So I mean with Teva, for example, it was a song called Tever which I we we d entered a songwriting competition and we were given this one line. And I was then heading to America. I think I think it was possibly one of the times I went to see Laurie, but I was heading to America. So I was sitting at the airport and I thought, well, when I get back, we've literally got four days to have four or five days to have this song ready for this stim position, so probably should start doing something. So I was siting at the airport lounge and I quickly wrote some lyrics and sort of said it to Den. Then got on the plane blah blah blah when I landed, and when I landed in New Orleans, that then set me a message which basically had the second verse and the rest of the chorus.

4:47 So we kind of wrote wrote the song twoferent so from England sort of thing. But but when we got back, literally I just picked up the guitar and something comes straight out and it was just that was it was really that that song was just like the fastest I think it just it just comes to very well. But that but that was again, the lyrics are about our friendships. So we were given the line two birds of a feather, and obviously you're given that line you've been best friends for thirty years. It's pretty The lyrics come quite simply. You know, you have got one line in it and it's kind of worked. So it was it was something that we could relate to and that that kind of inspired us to write quicker, didn't it. Yeah, we've definitely been more prolific since then.

5:28 Yeah, up to that point we were very slow with writing new songs. But now we're yeah, kind of knocking them out quite quickly. So I love it. And I you know, at first, when you were saying you met, I thought she was going to say, you guys man on ship Rocked down. I was going to say, I'm going to tell Laurie that it's a pattern now, But no. Ship rocked back then. I was on ship Rocked in twenty three. So nice with Wayne, we were already friends obviously. Yeah. Well, there's always better to be friends if you're going to be in a you know, a music project, because otherwise it could be hell. Like I see bands that you can tell they don't like each other, and it's like, wow, that would really suck because you can't escape them. It's not like a job where you could go home. You know, you're stuck with this person like all the time.

6:23 The family ones I think are probably the worst for that. Actually, when you get the sort of sibling rivalry and and that kind of thing, I think. That are you talking about Oasis. On the list obviously, but yeah, I mean even or even Abba they all fell out, they were all married, and Hearts have recently fallen out as well. Weetwood Mac Yeah, say when when? Because then's actually the second singer of Remember And when I was looking for a new singer and my girlfriend at the time she sort of said, well, what about then, And I was like, I'm not sure. Yeah, because obviously good friends for so long, and then when you add that element of being in a band together, you get you get the different disagreements, and I thought, you know, we don't want to affect our sort of our friendship sort of thing. So we sort of said from this, if we start arguing about band stuff, then friendship comes first. Friendships friendships first.

7:18 But that's a good rule for three and a half. Years in or since since you joined and there and we're still good. Yeah, well for that as much as we normally don't know myself, we'll have one on our list story well. And it's funny because you were saying before about like having two people. Two people in the band can either be really good in that scenario or really bad, Like you know, because at least if you have like four or five people in the band, there's buffers, there's people that like there's more of a I would say can be more of a democrat, but when you have two people, it's like it's either hard, yes or hard.

8:05 Now Weirdly with. That though, obviously when I first first joined it was very much it was Wayne's band. I wasn't even sure if I was going to be sort of the permanent singer or if it was just a stepping stone until Baying found somebody else. And I'm not sure if that's not true or not actually, but it's it's still very much. If there is anything that a decision kind of needs to be made, I still refer to Wayne, really, I still sort of see it as he's his band, He's the one, he's the boss. Yeah, I mean a lot, a lot of it, as well as my obviously extra experience of being in bands. Obviously I've been doing band since was fifteen, whereas obviously this is really your first band. I suppose it's an apart from Gecko, it wasn't I hope does that really count?

8:52 Though you can remember the name, well, yeah, I mean from stuff I did not younger, But yeah, I shall prop a band and stuff. So I mean we generally agree on those things. I don't mean musically, we've got very similar music tastes like quite varied as well, which is obviously helpful because you know, if you get someone who's I like folk and someone who likes I like metal, and you kind of to have clashes. But we both like those both of those genres, so it kind of works. It's like folk with a tinge of a rock, I guess is what we're actually doing, or rock with a tinge of folk, which way you look at it, one one or the other. Yeah, And she's going to be an angel because you're very picky, so she's going to be an angel to put up with your taste. Yeah, but quite picky musically.

9:49 That's where you guys work together because that is a commonality that brings you together. Because if you have one person that really isn't picky, doesn't care, and some made it, I think that's a clash, big. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, so that music tastes so far. I mean, we're actually genuinely friends because of music. You know, we initially met very briefly, you know, it's like because he was looking for a singer, and then we met again at a nightclub and we were both in a foul mood. Don't remember why, but we were both in a foul mood and we got chatting because we were the only two people sort of sitting. Away from everybody else.

10:30 And Wayne was talking about tattoos and I was saying, as soon as I turned eighteen, I want to get my first tattoo, and he said, what do you want to get? And I want to get my favorite band logo? And he went, oh, who are there? And went nobody's ever heard of them, nobody knows them, nobody knows them. And then eventually I said, oh, it's a band called Queen Drike and he literally lifted up his sleeve to the only tattoo he had back then, a Queen Drike tattoo. Wow, I have still learning at once. I it's kind of like, what a big work in progress. Wow. And so then nobody really knew in the UK because the minute Queen's Reike came out, we all knew about but we thought it was Iron Maiden. We thought it was Iron Maiden that first when it came When it came out, we're like, oh, that's a new some new Iron Man and then we're like, oh, no, it's not, because it did the first album did sound a lot like Bruce.

11:22 Yeah, you know that the highest stuff that you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Empire promised well some actually my favorite albums. Yeah see, I was introduced to it when Queen and the Reich came out and that song sounded like Maiden. Yeah absolutely, yeah, that is very very Maid. Yeah, I quite right, But that is kind of wild because how often in the world are you going to find somebody else with the same band tattoo on, you know, like especially a bad like Queen's Reike. I don't think a lot of people have that tattoo, like I could see if it was made in freeze. But to me, that's that shows your your connection right from the get go.

12:05 Yeah, actually might when I find because you're not allowed to get tattooed here until you're eighteen. You're not allowed to be in nightclubs either, but my. Mom was. So when I finally turned eighteen, which would have been probably about six months after that, I think something like that. It was actually Wayne's parents that bought me my my Queen direct tattoo as my eighteenth birthday present. Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's not in a place I can. Show you, so I'm not Oh come on now, So. It's Yeah, it's not really. Yeah, it's difficult to get. To now you have Now you guys got both get tattoo that says remember sent a serenity.

12:49 Maybe maybe the tree, the tree. Yeah, I don't have writing on me, so it'd have to be the tree. The tree would be kind of cool. That would be cool. So as well, obviously you both have interest in folk, you both have interest in metal. What makes you pick focus the one that you focus on for your music? It's obviously just I mean the main When I first started rumors you back in twenty nineteen, I was really really into a band called the Civil Wars, and I imagine you heard them. I heard Civil Wars and I was just blown away by just the just how stripped back it was. It was just one guitar, a male and a female vocal, lovely harmonies, and I thought, I want to do something like that. I absolutely want to do that, but I kind of wanted to do it with obviously my rock influences as part of it. So when I first formed a band, when I first did it and I had my original singer, it was original originally a working title for it was Civil Coil because it was kind of a cross between Civil Wars and Lacuna Coil.

13:50 Oh yeah, there you go. It was kind of the plan. It doesn't really sound anything like Lacuna Coil now, but initially that was kind of the the kind of the idea. Twigger doesn't really sound that much like the Civil Wars apart from harmony sort of thing, and obviously not as good harmony as Civil Wars, but that was the that was the kind of the premise of it. So it was more a case of doing something really stripped back, and that kind of leads it more towards the folk side than the rock side. But you can definitely hear the rock influences in the in the some of the guitar playing sort of thing, because there's a couple of songs the Neuer Ones as well. Yeah, oh yeah, you could definitely tell. But it is I think the name you have is perfect because I think the music, the harmonies really does create surroundy, which is something I think the whole world needs right now.

14:41 Thanks. Yeah, that's really cool. Thank you. M Yeah, because you know, I have this idea too of how to solve all the world's problems. You guys could play at it too. Excellent. Yeah, it's a. Music festival that the whole world is required to attend because you know, listen, music is the great unifier. It's also the best therapy there is. And I think instead of all the other stuff that's going on, we could just work it all out at a music festival, because when you go to a music festival, you know, generally nobody's an outsider and nobody's fighting. We're all just loving each other from all walks of life. Yeah, yeah, and see that. I think that's what your music also represents. Like, I think it represents something that could unify us together and and uh create the serenity that this world.

15:40 Needs exactly. If only you had a good photographer that you knew that. So, tell us about this new music compared to the evil What was the evolution to get to this new EP? Right, Okay, that's a good one. We basically we obviously when we first started recording and the idea of recording, we had seven songs, I think, and then I had the idea of let's uh, I mean we could try and record ourselves at home, and then it was a case of every time we would get to a certain stage, we then stop or yeah, something would distract us or so, so we never really finished it. Then we met this guy who had his studio in his garden. It's only he was sixteen. All yeah, So the guy produced all four of our EPs.

16:38 Is a sixteen year old producer. Just turned seventeen. Yeah, that's amazing. Tetro studios in in Raylei and England. But Moss is an absolute legend. So we basically we kind of heard that he had a studio, So I asked him, can you send us a recording of something you've done that's similar sort of stuff to us? And I heard it and I thought, well, that's better than I'm going to do in yeah, the next year if I get round to it. You know. So I thought, do you know how much it meant? More so, how much for a couple of days in the studio? And he gave us such a good price. We're like, yeah, no, brain, I will do that. If it comes out rubbish, then we haven't lost a lot of money. Right, it come out the first ap winter, we really were She's like, yeah, this is this is great, you know. So we obviously booked him for spring, then summer, then autumn. Yeah, and but yeah, So so the writing process, which was the question one, So what is the right process when?

17:34 Like I said, when when when I joined, obviously being the second singer, Wayne already had a few songs sort of finished basically, so I listened to the other singer singing and I just kind of copied what was there. And then as we wrote new songs, they became very much our songs. And then as I became more comfortable as being part of the band, I actually started writing some lyrics as well. So it's become very much. It was very much just Wayne doing it all, and now it's become much more we sort of do it all together, and I think both of us have definitely improved with sort of songwriting and that kind of thing as we've got a little bit more comfortable with it and that kind of thing.

18:15 It's definitely better to do it together, I think too, because people everybody has something to add to it, you know, and bring something to the table that maybe you don't think of and you know, or just a different viewpoint, because there's so many viewpoints in the world. I think the more viewpoints you have of the music you create, the more likely you're gonna have a bigger tribe following you. Yeah, the viewpoint is quite interesting actually, I mean especially on a song called Circles that Wayne wrote, and it's a it's a song about friendship, and he wrote it about you know, like your little circle of friends and how blessed he feels or whatever to have these few people he can absolutely rely on. Have you know great these you know, half a dozen people are I read it and I sing it as how awful is it that you can only rely on a few people and everyone else read it?

19:11 So I just I'm the negative one. It just absolutely I see that as you know, completely the other way around to how Wayne actually wrote that. And see I thought circle would be about marsh pits. We did when we actually start geting. Lastly, you know, like some people near to the front when we're playing, we'd probably say we want to see, right, have a circle pit out of one of the gigs would be absolutely incredible. You know what though, I was just doing a festival Bourbon Beyond and Fish was playing, Yeah, and I saw the kai of circle pit you guys can have because I was like I was sitting there and then in the beginning I was like telling my friends I'm like, oh, I want to start a marsh pit. We were like, oh no, no, do that, blah blah blah. And I'm like a couple hours in when people were peeking on whatever they were peeking on, it looked like a mash pit where nobody touched each other. It really did. Like I was like observing these people of like and then while you're talking, I'm thinking, that would be the perfect mash pit for your live show. It's like you take the deadhead fish head type of dancing and no touching, and there's your pit. And it's very serene, you know, because it was like it's like slow motion wash pit.

20:40 Most of most people that come to see you can already do the slow motion version. Right, So see, there you go. It's perfect. And so how do people get this album EP? How do they check you guys out? How they are? Where do they next to you? Where do we create this circle of your now musical friends. If you just got a link tree, remember Serenity is obviously the best best place because all links to everywhere where we're on. He's on there, so it's obviously a link to our YouTube channel and link to our Spotify, our Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, Twitch, which we're so we're going on live now Twitch once a week at least that's the plan. There's also a link to our shop, yes, our band camp shop on there on there because we're still we stuck with the original idea of doing classic CDs for so so for people to tell us all the time, I haven't actually got CD player.

21:46 Okay, it's all on Spotify and everything, so yes. Yeah, but they have to buy the CD if they want to listen to my show aim more though. The CD has always better obviously. Yeah, we sell a CD, and we actually obviously cost money to produce the CDs, to record the CDs, to actually get the CDs done. Yeah, obviously we've worked out if we actually sell all the CDs we buy, we might just break even. But you're obviously never going to sell all the CDs buy you give away the odd few here and there. I was going to say, if you sell all the CDs next time, I mean you're in the US, you could buy a couple of tacos at Taco Bell. Yeah. Well, if someone goes on and streams all fifty five minutes about four aps on Spotify, we get about seven pence which is about what ten ten cents, So so it's yeah, spot Spotify, and that's that's if they don't find a reason to say, oh that that's stream there, that one doesn't count because it was a three forty seven in the afternoons, right right. But uh, but last how I mean, really really stay wouldn't we We never started doing this to make you know, to become you know, millionaires, famous to all the world. I mean, it'd be nice, but we're like old, we're old and like so you know, on the down downward part of the hill now. But like I said, we do it because we love doing it.

23:12 We do it because we like telling the stories that we're telling. Obviously a lot all of our songs have got some relevant so we don't write a song that's yeah, just are there's some words that are catchy, you know, sweet charaime, bah bah bah kind of rubbish. It's his favorite song, were. Bom Bomb. But we all our songs have got a story to tell. That was very much inspired by Bad Flower. When I saw them on ship Rocks in twenty nineteen, I think literally you saw them and it was just like that. Yeah, there's a couple of their songs were amazing, and then I saw them and they were incredible. So I went back and revisited their first album and like listening to reading the lyrics, and then lyrics then become really important because they're yeah, just they're really such strong lyrics. Just Josh catch.

24:04 I love Josh, He's the cause to but like what I Love Too is one of the festivals they played, he had larryn Jaynas so he just had the crowd sing all the show. It was the coolest show where it was a ballsy move because you know you're going to get hate sometimes, but man, I thought it was the coolest one term lifetime show ever to be fair to. Do that rather than just cancel. That's that's that's. Some of the stupid excuses I've heard for bands canceling. Yeah, no doubt to me, that's a professional. The show must go on. A bad fel fan, he's going to prefer to be that. Like then. I remember I saw seble Tour actually once.

24:46 This was literally just after they sacked Max, because I saw him. I saw him with Max at Brixton, which is the last gig he did with them, and then they sacked him and they were playing Donnington, which wasn't before it was download and uh yeah literally based on play you didn't even like to just sack that singer. But they had like Evan and Billy from Biohazard, and I think Jonithan Davis did a song with him, and I just had other people who were on the bill. Burton Seabells did a song and it was just like Sebutura with guest singers and it was that was that was amazing. It was yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, and I imagine that being a gig. Josh is there playing playing the guitar, so it's not like he wasn't there, right, so he was there and it was just yeah, I mentioned that is that was a special gig.

25:28 It was. And then like right after Covid my third show, I had the cover since you mentioned Jonathan Davis was corn and Jonathan Davis had COVID and sat in the throne like Oars he did and imagined him just sitting down, but he and he performed with Covid sitting in a throne. Wow, Like that's dedication right there. You know, they are one of. The bands that I have missed thanks to a terrible excuse though, So yeah, they were meant to be doing Ozfest and one of them was expecting about it. Obviously wife was expecting a baby, so they canceled and she was like five months pregnant or something.

26:13 She wasn't nearly about to give birth. Yeah, and food Fighters covered it, just, yeah, that's weird that, like, you're not even ready to give birth. And that was the excuse. That was that reason we were told. Yeah, wow, that's a trip. So how come or what made you decide to do the four seasons? And more importantly, I mean maybe it's because you have all four seasons in one hour, and that's why that is. But more importantly, why did you start with winter? Was that Dedn's idea? Because she's the negative one, so let's start with the negative season. Yeah. The first DP come out in December, so we released one each. We had the songs, and then someone had the eye. Someone suggested, remember who it was? Someone it might might be Laurie.

27:03 Actually I don't remember who, so. It's Laur's fault. Then it might might be Laura. Laurie, I don't ever do it anyone out there? She said, whoever it was, who said, why don't you like so you know, like, you've got these songs, and we we want some sort of concept and and I don't know where the idea come from having the seasons, and then we thought, actually, why don't we just do one and we'll release one now, we'll release one of three months, and we'll release the four seasons aps over nine months and yeah, so so basically have a year to release the four aps, which was a great idea. And obviously then we showed the I asked a friend of mine and about the artwork and she just knocked that up for us, and it was the concept was was there, it was born. And then it was like at the time we had seven songs and there's sixteen songs on the APS. So once we got to about sort of summer, we were like, we're running out of songs now. Yeah, so we have to quickly squeeze some more songs out. But the idea so.

28:05 Well, the good news is is in the UK, all four of those EPs would be appropriate any month of the year there. Yeah, yeah, exactly, it was summer, yesterday's today exactly. I'm surprised it took till today to become winter. I was figuring to getting a couple of special edition and Alton is done with full on them instead. Yeah, you could do like a special vinyl that is made with leaves. That could be good. It's cool. Someone has to be about vinyl. We other that you're going to get vinyl collective vinyl? Is that we kind of you know, we have to get like one hundred vinyls done, and it costs like well over a thousand pounds to get like one hundred vinyls done. So are we going to get let's spend over one thousand pounds just for one person person?

28:55 Yeah, well how about I want you, I want you to put it out on a track? Yeah, great system. I loved the tracks because you know, it would interrupt the song in the middle of tracks, and you know, if you didn't have a matchbook, it would play in slow motion. You know. It was really good. It was great quality. I think I could turned my radio station into like an eight track radio station. Ben's got night track and I was just like, why he's using this, He's just retro. She loved it because it was your retro, so you just use it.

29:42 So yeah, I not. I wish I kept my eight tracks because it would be kind of cool and funny, you know, because I had I had Blizzard of Oz on eight track when it first came out. Mister Crowley would fade out and during the second end of the second track and feeback in in the third track. Nice, amazing. So what else do you want to tell the listeners about you guys, about your music that they need to know. Well, we've got some ideas for an XDP, but it's a secret, but we plan on releasing that hopefully by about April May next year. Obviously, we've got the four EPs, so there's plenty of music to get your tapth into.

30:26 We are recording two more songs in December seven Deputy, which was the seventeenth song that didn't make it onto the EPs, basically the on Autumn. There's a song Counting the Days that's also about Lorry. Seven Deputy is about how how I met Laurie. So it was a case of there we wanted different subject matters on there, so only one of them kind of made it onto the EP, and Counting the Days we felt was the strongest song, wasn't it, So that's why we did that. That's why that one made it on there. But we're recording that in December. That will be we'll do a video for that and whack it on YouTube obviously on Spotify. It's gonna be a non CD version, so. You're going to do like April and May. So you should name the album forget Winter, it's spring.

31:11 We're just we're just, we're just skipping over. Exactly. Well, you know what you should do. And she'll probably be watching or listening to this when it comes out. I think you guys should sing live on the interview the song about Laurie or at least part of it, at least part of it. Which one do you want to do? Which one? Count of the days? Probably count of the days of the off the new EP probably in chane. Yeah that that that might mean some tune and.

32:00 Mm hm. That fuss about it and my chance to sleep wide away continuity break, sorry but gonestly don't to dream? Will I want to sprink? That is so long? So long comes in the DISTI I see you again, should not want and all reading.

32:40 I just want to go. I just need to feel. I'm not hope you want to be with you all the time. M hm m. M m. Through the day, my mind is away picking up places that we even remember in times I would top tapular signs that we see, yet in today we're so far away, yearning.

33:22 Up in overwhelm both in my mind that's saver rabbit, leave to my half, blease. I just want to the long, Jess, I just be to feel and not all with that. I want to be with you all the time. Best chaptism meant. And that's a stormy about.

34:04 That still be. In time it was just. Them. I wait, I don't. I just want to want you. I just need to be curious. I'm not. I wanted to be fall world.

34:53 Nice. I was really really good. I don't care what Laurie says. So yeah, so that's absolutely I mean when when I met Lauri, I mean we at the time we had seven songs, six of which were really miserable and one which was happy. And then it was this case of like since then, now we've got kind of fifty to fifty happy sad, so balance now, so we're start writing miserable songs again now because obviously it kind of suits the mood of the music bit more. Yeah. So yeah, but obviously that one's a bit of sad and the other two there's there's free songs about Laurie.

35:34 Two of that one's on the new AP and the song Oceans is on Spring video comes out next week. The video does come out on the second of October on YouTube on a YouTube channel. I'm not sure when this is going live, but but yeah, so if this is if, if this is on air before the second of October, check out our YouTube channel on second October for the new song nice. Well you guys rock, your badass the Spike Wings in the band, but but we do love you and everybody else needs to love you too, or they can't listen to my show anymore.

36:17 We're looking forward to being your Your World festival. Yes, yeah, there you go. I'm happy to open that as well. I mean if we s open it and then we can go to the backstage bar and yeah. It is well spoken like true English people right there. Well, you guys rock, and everybody definitely has to get all of the EPs and check you out. You're super talented and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Much for having us, Thank you, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man on w for c u I Radio.