PipemanRadio Interviews Little King About New Album_ Lente Viviente

0:04 Hi, you love don too, Censure, Wow, cray you. Bounce, Stone, bake Stones, Walk Shop Back. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And our next guest has some killer new music coming out. So let's welcome to the show, Ryan from Little King.

0:45 Pipe Man, appreciate you having a song Man album's coming out tomorrow. So we're excited and busy and yeah, fucking running a little bit ragged. It's all good though, right, that's the fun part, right, I don't know, Like, I mean. What kind of masochism are you into? Bro? You know, well, if you're in music, you're you're into masochism. That's the bottom line. It's like a life. It's a lifelong affliction. No, dude, this is a fun part for sure. You know, make a record, you're super fucking proud of it, like you love the guys you're playing with and your whole team, and you know, after doing this for like twenty eight years, which is basically where I'm at right now, making records, like all I do is work with people that I dig, and so like being able to celebrate the next few days in a few weeks with those guys is pretty dope for sure.

1:27 Well, you know, that's what you figure out when you get older, because when you start a band when you're a kid, you think these people are your lifelong friends, and most of them never last past teenage years, you know, And then when you get to the later stages, it's like, you know, I don't have to deal with all that fucking drama. Why don't I just play with people I like? And I mean, I don't want to be pejorative too much, but like drama and musicians, it's sort of like you know, Telly or bong, water and the floor or whatever. You know, it is what it is. But I definitely have appreciated the last twenty years with the last two guys I was with, and particularly Eddie Garcia. You know, shout out to him. He's a drove for pissing raisers. I don't know if you're familiar with them. He's played in Overkill for a while, he's been around, and he and I have made a bunch of records together, go like five over the last twenty years. And so it is the first one I haven't made with him since two thousand and three. And I think, just like I'm in a fresh perspective. You know, I live in Tucson now and Eddie's and El Paso, and so for the longest time, no matter where the fuck I was living, dude, in the in the US, like Delaware or San Jose, Yeattle, even, I was always going to El Paso to make records.

2:37 But this time, you know, I've been in Tucson five years, and I take care of my mom and I take care of my son. I'm a single dad to you, amongst all the other fucking nights. Then I'm doing, you know, So I just wanted to stay local. So I found someone cool here and got some new musicians. Even though Dave the bass player played on our last couple of records, he plays cello TuS He's a ranger. But yeah, dude's kind of a breath of fresh air. And just like as I listen back to the tracks, you know, you always take a you should always take a couple of weeks off from listening to your stuff. When you're done. You know, it's just not fresh to you, Like it's not. It sounds terrible, right to be honest with you. But after going back after a couple of weeks and revisiting and getting ready for all the interviews of the press and stuff. Yeah, dude, it's like, okay, I listen back.

3:18 It's like, really glad for the decisions that I made this time. They were pretty adult. Nice. Well. I think one of the best decisions you made too, is not having to go to El Paso, because if I never have to go to El Paso, I'd be perfectly happy. You know, there's there's a charm there, and it's hard to explain to people who haven't lived there, because yeah, clearly, like if you're on fucking it ten blaze in east or West, it's a blow through, you know. You know, you know, there's nothing to recommend it. But when you get in and you start to meet the people and you find the nooks and the Mexican food, which is absolutely. Well, yeah, it's good for Mexican food for sure. Yeah. And I have so many homies there, dude, and they're just salid. I mean, it's not the most affluent city, it's not the most highly like masters in PhD level educatedcy, but there's some fucking great people there, dude. And so even though yes, it is not like Bali or like or like Big Sir, you know, it's not. No one's ever gonna mistake it for that at least, Like the people are pretty down there there, to be honest with you, compared to almost all the other places I've ever been.

4:16 Well that that's good to hear. My Actually, my daughter with her ex husband wins in the military, so they were stationed. They'll pass so for a while. Yeah, Four Bliss brings like I mean, they're like sixty thousand people at Fort Bliss or something. But the peripheral plus I mean that's a huge part of like the economy and what goes on there. But yeah, we made we made a ton of records there, dude, And like I've recorded there for a long time. And yes, it's nice to stay home. Two sounds lovely. I like my life here, and you know, I'm fifty three and this is my eighth record, and so it's time to like make some changes. But at the same time, it like still sounds like me, Like I can't fucking get away. I can't get away from myself, you know. So it should always be your foundation, right, It's just what you evolve from that foundation. Yeah, the way I look at it, and I.

5:01 Think, you know, and as like a as a thoughtful and hopefully introspective artist. You know, you're not necessarily looking to say, Okay, I've got to progress. Different guitars, different snares, sound different arrangements. I don't think that you have to that out necessarily to be that way as a long term as a longtime artist, but I do think it has to be at least part of the equation because I don't want to make the same music over and over again. But I also know I'm, you know, true to the fucking core of who I am, and I always have been, you know, all these last years. So do we think about it a little bit, Yeah, maybe, But the main thing is, like I have to listen back now to my back cat lot because it's been at it for a minute, right, And so I have to make sure I'm not like repeating hooks, for example, repeating words, because like we're all predisposed to like going back to our fucking habits, right of these words, these phrases, these on the guitar, you know, these phrases. And so I do definitely hammer my new songs against my old songs, like okay, cool, that's actually original, Like I actually haven't done that before. Which is at this point, it's kind of like a fucking minor miracle, but we do do that.

6:03 Is it is a miracle. It is a miracle because there's playing bands that they write new music and they don't even realize that it's kind of the old music, you know, because it's just hammered in your head. Yeah, it's one of those old school tricks that you learn. There is I was just telling my girlfriend yesterday. We were having a long conversation and the recurring theme was that there is no substitute for experience and there it's literally is it like it is not something that you can approximate now, I was like, and it's like like if you're a fucking brain surgeon, dude, Like you can't describe to somebody what it's like to cut someone's head open and like do it justice. And it's like I'm not saying that rock you know, rock and roll records are like brain surgery, but it is a sort there is a certain thing and like the experience is like, Okay, I've made all of the fucking mistakes in the business and in the music, like I've seen them also now it's like, Jude, they're slipping through as many hands as my as my music is through now, then shit, I guess it's just meant to be there, you.

6:58 Know, right, And you're right though. It's a good analogy because I actually use that analogy for my industry. It's like, because you know, I have professional studios, state of the art equipment, and you have these people out there that think just because you can buy some fifty dollars bundle and do it in your bed, that you should and they have no clue how to run a mixer board, they have no clue about sound quality. They just have all ego, like my content is great, and they watch a YouTube video to learn how to do a radio show or a podcast, And my analogy is always like, yeah, you could watch a YouTube video how to do brain surgery, and doesn't mean I want somebody play a scalpel to my head.

7:42 You know, it's interesting. We live in the age and particularly the generation. I'm Generation X. I guess you know me too. Generations generations behind us, you know, Millennials and Z and whatever. Fuck I don't know all the names of it, but you know they have the most access and we have the most access to information in the history of the world. Everything is our fingertips. It's like it flows my mind, you know what you and I can you know basically get hard hold facts and figures and dates and things like that like that. Like, dude, we were pouring through encyclopedias you know about of course we were right just to try and get through like junior high, dude, like we had to do it even elementary school. But with all of this access to information, we seem like we're the least likely to use it. And that paradox really is, you know, something to reflect on.

8:25 I think a little bit like what are we actually doing with now that the Pandora's box has been open and everybody can know everything. It's got to send some trouble, There's no question about it. I'm not super stoked with the way that's all evolved in the last twenty five years of first, you know, easy access to fast internet and then social media, which is you know, to me in a way is just like the scourge of the modern era. You know. Yeah, well, you know the thing that's missing nowadays is critical thinking, you know, and actually reading stuff that you research and vetting it. Yeah. Funny, you know, I saw somebody post something social media. And I said to a person, is that peer reviewed? And their answer to me was, yeah, all my friends agree with me. And I'm like, peer you're a fucking idiot. That's not what peer reviewed means.

9:15 But that's the world we live in. So yeah, and now with AI, like AI is wrong the lot of time, but people just take it as the gospel. It's really and I you know, don't want to dive too deep deeply down that rabbit hole, but it's really less and less asking, you know, pushing us to question things. The way society has evolved and the way our access to information has evolved, and the ease with which we can communicate has evolved, it's pushed us, like I said, in some dangerous territory. And it's funny, like with social media and the way that's it. I mean, we can use music examples all day, but just in general, like when you were a journalist back in the day, like in the seventies, right when we were growing up in the eighties or whatever, you probably went to journalism school.

9:58 You probably learned how to write. You probably learn in the conventions of grammar and punctuation and alliteration and accidents and imagery and similar as the metaphor is that on and on, you probably worked your way up in the newsroom. You probably learned how to source things, and you learned how to interview somebody and then fact check and then double check. Anybody with a keyboard now can be a keyboard warrior, right, like anybody's with an opinion now. And so what's evolved into is like, it's not the most knowledgeable opinion, that's the that's the listen to one. It's the loudest, the one with the most gravitas, you know, is the one that everybody gravitates towards, right, because it's just fuck a loud, it's in your face, and so you know, that's it. You can we can make those musical analogies, but it's you know, it's part of the observations that you know that I see over the last fifteen or twenty years.

10:42 Speaking of which you if I have this correctly, you got a degree in creative writing, right, I did? Yeah from UTEP. Actually it I'll pass out. Yeah, So how do you how would you tell other artists or just the people listening who may want to be ours, how that helped you in your songwriting? There are certain conventions of elevated writing, and they're flexible to a large degree, especially now with how quickly people communicate. But learning the way the best of the best did it from humans who have studied it their whole lives and made it their career and passion is never going to be detrimental. Do you have to go in up educational in that open mind as fusolutely you do, because there's a lot of indoctrination and brainwashing going on at all levels right in corporate America and education whatever. But learning and studying and understanding how people paint pictures with words, and then understanding rhyme and meter and the forms that don't use rhymes, you know, which are many. Just practicing your craft, like the whole ten thousand hours adage, you know, or analogy. I think it prepared me to try and find my unique voice more than anything. And I think authenticity in this day and age is what really we crave, and even if fucking people don't, I'm gonna do it anyway, do because That's how I'm going out, you know, is just being my true authentic self and so learning how

12:12 to synthesize that, like what's going on in here into lyrics or into short stories or into poetry. That's really how creative writing is informed. And so now when I sit down, I'm writing a song like I bring some, I bring some a lot of thoughts to it, and I don't want to repeat myself again. But there's so many things going on in the world. There's so many things that are going on personally. There's so many things that are going on personally that are universal, and that to me is like what makes a great song. But if I hadn't had a creative writing education, would I have had such a crystal understanding of kind of how a lot of those things work, at least for me, then I think I probably wouldn't. Well, I think, especially for your music, it seems that it's it's kind of storytelling, and you need that creative writing experience. Do storytell properly?

12:58 I think, yeah, I mean Troubadour style of songwriting. I'm a huge Steely Dan fan, and we don't sound anything like Steely Dan, but the way he tells. Donald Fagan tells stories in each one of those songs that are just really vivid and clear, and his use of imagery and just words, he's so good with the language, you know, and all of my favorite artists really put a lot of time and thought and effort into their lyrics. You know. I think it's key, like, you know, funny to your point. I also I do like all kinds of festivals. But at one of the punk festivals once, uh, when in the band, all the bands, all the punk bands, they all looked up to the descendants because of their songwriting.

13:40 Not because it's not because of the music. It's because they would all talk about what a brilliant songwrit here he was, you know, And I think that is key, Like that's how to me, that's the hook, okay, because if you can relate to that song writing and it's something that can take you somewhere else, Yeah, that's good songwriting. Well everything, you know. I'm not this is not an original thought by Ryan Rose from Little King. This has been this has been said before, but like everything should serve the song to a degree, and it's kind of like, what's the general vibe of this song and then specifics the things that you can pull pull into it, whether it's the actual composition, whether it's instrumentation that can further that song, and like do there are a million fucking guys that can play sweeps faster than I can ever, like, and I don't have the discipline or the time or the energy to sit down and become, you know, like I used to be, even which is like really worshiping Mega Death and Steve VI and guys like that. Now, for me, as we get older, I've reflected on my legacy a little bit and kind of the things that I'm trying to you know, stand back and be proud of and they can live on, you know, hopefully after me and with through my kids and things like that, and the magic of the interwebs. Right the music's fucking everywhere forever, so can't shape it whether you like it or not. But like, what my legacy wants to be is being able to tell stories and being able to make them relatable, setting them the music that's a little bit more interesting than maybe just four four all the time or the same tempo and same keys. And so now as I'm reflecting your legacy, that's really it too, is like writing the songs, the perfect song, and we edit,

15:13 we write, we re edit. These are not sit down and jam a couple hours at the session, you know, at the studio and then kick kick them out. I've done that in the past, and there's no shade. Like dude, I like that too. It's fun, I mean, and it's it's a whole different challenge of your musicianship and a part of your brain. But certainly, like when I'm looking to put something out, I'm looking for this is, you know, Little King twenty twenty five, Like I do. Want to make sure that there's some memorable stuff on there, and if people don't like it, it's like, fuck, dude, what can I do? Like next time? Cool with that? You can't please everybody. That's why you gotta please yourself and then your tribe will come. That's it authenticity. That's what you're saying, you know, being authentic to who you are and what you're trying the message you're trying to put out, and hopefully people can sense that and they gravitate towards it.

15:55 I hope, well totally. So the new album is called Lente Bibiente. That's TRCT and my question is what made you want to make it? The name of the album in Spanish. So backing up a little bit to the beginning of last year, I started a new company. I like entrepreneurship too. You know, I've been a dad my whole life, and I've got a support family and kids. I have two children that I basically raised, you know, financial one hundred percent pretty much, and so start a business in twenty twenty four doing video memoirs. I live in Tucson, Arizona, which is a huge retirement community, and then of course Phoenix is two hours north and there's tons more. So basically a bit the thrust of the business is documenting people's stories and preserving them for posterity, for their kids and for the descendants, you know, going on. And the name of the company's Living Lens Memoirs. That's that's what we decided to name it. So Lente Viviente means living lens.

16:50 And so as I'm talking to these people through the last year and doing some interviews and just meeting peeping people at festivals or trade shows, the thing that struck me more than anything to do is like how people view themselves and how biased they are we are of our own opinions of not only ourselves but the world around us, and that their kids look at them sometimes a lot differently than they look at themselves. And we look at ourselves differently because we have the sort of psychological dysmorphya where we really have a hard time being objective and seeing ourselves. And so hearing these folks tell their stories, and most of these people are in their eighties, dude, you know, so they've lived a full, rich life, you know, and their families are usually there kind of surrounding them. The lenses by which we see ourselves and we see the world, the filters, the living lens of you know, we're here and now what are you doing with all this experience and the gathering and the amalgamation of all the things that you've learned through the years. So basically, the album lent to Viviende is the living lens, and it's all of the different ways that filters and perception affect how we act and how we react with each other.

17:51 See that's why I wanted to hear the whole story behind it, because to me, lente bibiente sounds much better than living lens. It just sounds cooler. And also, dude, I'm in Tucson. This is definitely forty four percent you know, Latino, and I lived in Opata. As I said, for a long time, and I've been in the last you know, twenty five years or so, you know in Spanish culture, really thirty five years because I moved down here first in nineteen ninety. So I have great love for Spanish and my drummer's Mexican. He's from Mexico. It's nice. Yeah, shout out, dude. And I don't know. The other thing too, Like from the business side of it, bro is like you look before you make an album and release it, you look to see if anybody else has used the name. Does that name exist on Apple Music and Spotify, And the fact of the matters it doesn't.

18:35 You know, it doesn't. There You go, that's great, it. Does as of midnight tonight, there it is. There it is. And in South Florida, you know, when you call a company and it says press one for this and press two for this, it's press one for Spanish, two for English. So same here in Tucson, Arizona. B there it is there, it is. Well in the fucking inner ropers, though, do they were totally here first? Like oh yeah, moved in yeah yeah, And you know what the fact that the matter is is, I like the Latin culture man they we could learn from them. Yeah, we should. That's point we should be And we're so again getting back to the theme of the album, that we're so biased.

19:21 We're so in doctrinary and immersed in our own beliefs and our own cultures, and many of us, you know, raised in a very narrow view of how the world works without the experience of another culture and things like that. There's so much we're fucking humans, dude, Like the artificial lines and like what north or south of the line you know where you were born is so fucking inconsequential, Like the amount of melanin you have in your skin is so fucking inconsequential to like what kind of human being you are inside of that. They are amazing people in every of every race, creed, color, and culture, sexual orientation, gender, whatever. And there are fucking douchebags, dude, in every one of those. No doubt. There you go.

20:01 And I totally agree with that. And the fact is you hit on something I'm big about, and that is like, until you travel out of your local area, you don't know shit because you know what people do. I remember the first time I went to Europe and I was like, what the hell was everybody telling me, because I don't buy it now, you know, because we're so sheltered like I have my ex wife, her grandfather never left his street his whole life, Okay, And it's like, man, there's so many different things to experience out there and cultures and how people are. We can all just learn from each other.

20:42 Well, and the more you know to realize you don't know a fucking thing exactly. When you get to that place in your life where you are humble to the big picture of it all and the fact that we're always learning and growing creatures that can't know anything like we just don't. It's the capacity when you've come at peace with that. The only thing that student's kindness yea, you know, and gratitude and humility, the things that are true and pure that we know no matter what religion and background or atheists in your point of view you're fucking coming from, dude, Like those things are universal, Like no one's gonna regret going out as like the kindest, gentlest, most humble, most helpful person. So the further we straight from that, whatever the reasons are. So when you go to these different countries, like you you know, you go to Europe or I was in Morocco this summer.

21:28 For five Oh no, shit, that's so wild, that's cool. I was a Marrakesh with my son, like that was his graduation. When did you go? Okay, So I I did radio coverage at Download and then I was doing hell Fest and so in between I flew to a Marrakesh. That's what we were in June. In June in Marrakesh. That's so funny. So we were there end of July and into August. So we flew to Barcelona and we spent like four days in Barcelona. And then it's like it's sixty dollars trip. You're flying in Europe, as you know, it's so cheap, dude, it's so cheap. So werew We went down there for five days and did the Souks and did the Medina, did the camel and did the Agafe Desert in the app this mountains and all of that. Bro. It was amazing. Yeah.

22:12 Yeah. And you know what I find amazing is when you go to places like that, all the things that maybe you were taught or brainwashed about just disappear because you realize it's all bunch of bullshit, And like you say all the buns are humans periods. Yes, and it's all through a filter, right, Like, it's all through whatever their biases, whatever their DNA is, whatever their experiences are. Like, nobody can tell me about Marrakesh now because I've been there, right, Like, I've seen it and we walked that whole fucking deal. Did you walk all the suits? Like, did you go through the market and do that whole thing? Oh? Yeah, yeah yeah, And I learned something. Okay, So I learned something very good in that marketplace. Whether you speak Spanish, English or French, they will not stop hike at hockey you. But if you tell those merchants, if you say lo shukra, they immediately stop.

23:09 Yeah, that's secret code, that's. You know, and that's basically no thank you in Arabic. So if you say it in Arabic to them, they'll listen. Otherwise they'll just keep coming out. So when you come when you come back from there. When I came back from there, there was definitely like three or four day major adjustment back to the States, and it was a good adjustment. It was cool, But I don't want to lose the feeling, you know that I. Had a real time I leave I come back, it's like I got like Costa Rica a lot too love. I love it too. I love the people there. The people are just absolutely they have. No fucking military do. They abolished it in nineteen forty six. Presidents said by decree after World War two, like we are never having constitutions.

23:51 And they gave free healthcare and free education instead of military. Dude, the concept. I'll tell you I have a story about that because so I had two heart attack surfing. One was in Hawaii, and the idiots in the American healthcare system that charged me four hundred thousand dollars almost killed me because they caused a second heart attack. The second heart attack happened in Costa Rica, as after I was cleared of a year of you know, supposedly getting better. But the difference I found okay, So it was absolutely amazing. The cardiologist that's going to do the procedure on me in Costa Rica, he's at my bedside calling the insurance company like no receptionist doing that. He did it himself, and they said to him. He said to him, he needs this procedure or he's gonna die. And the insurance company's answered to him typical, Well, it'll take forty eight to seventy two hours of process of claim, and it's a weekend, so it'll probably be longer. He goes, you don't understanding. He'll be dead by then. They didn't give two shits. He hangs up the phone. And what they did next shows humanity. Okay, because they put me in their social security system so I could get free healthcare.

25:12 I'm like another country, a third world country, puts me who's a gringo in their healthcare system so I could get traded for free in my life save. But my own country is like, fuck you, why. Is it that? And that's a fucking amazing story, and thank you for sharing that with me. I really it moves me to hear those kinds of things. It's the humanity and all those things that we were just talking about. Why can't we all across political and social lines and gender and socioeconomic lines agree that that's who we want to be? Like, why can't that be? Because I think if you tell that story one hundred people, one hundred people are at least gonna have some reaction of like, wow, that's fucking amazing, dude, that sounds incredible you know, maybe half of those people like, well, but I'm not in favorite of socialized medicine. We can have that conversation, but why not let's examine like what our priorities are. It's like, why a country like Costa Rica and all of the other thirty two quote unquote industrialized nations who have the world have it and we don't. You tell me, dude, I mean it's straight up breeding.

26:14 Well Bali. You mentioned Bali in the Begain. I was in Bali for like three months and I got sick and I was walking by on one of the nooses and I saw this like little you know, walk in clinic, looked it up. I had good reviews. I walk in. I shit you not. I was in there for fifteen minutes. The doctor not only treated me, diagnosed me, gave me the medicine. I didn't have to go anywhere else. By the next day, I was perfect. And it cost me a total with the medications and with the doctor's visit, forty two dollars. Like that would be like a five hundred dollars bill at least here in Florida. I can tell you.

27:01 That you hear things like that, and it does make you want to make another record and call it healthcare travesty, like like just you know, with a with a fucking little red cross and like a stethoscope. You're giving me ideas, dude, I mean. How can a poor country do that but a rich country can't? That is the problem because of the priorities, Because the priorities that people are calling the shots, and the way this system is set up to be so capitalistically dominated and so haves and have nots, you know, intentionally like that's the way we operate, when that is literally the way this system is set up and supposed to be those kinds of things, like the altruism goes away eventually.

27:44 And I'm not advocating for full socialism or communism, but are a lot of socialist programs and a lot of prioritization of whatever money is coming in the federal government. How you think too, because the powers that be they brainwash us the old district in the book Divine Conquer, But it's mindset too because another example, when I was in Denmark, I'm sitting around with a bunch of people, different religions, different political viewpoints, different origins. Nobody was arguing. We were all talking and nobody had an argument, and the Danish girl we were talking about the socialized medicine there and her we were talking about social socialism there period.

28:28 And I'm not for socialism in our country, but I like you, there should be certain things to take care of, like basic human needs. But their viewpoint, this girl was like, listen, yeah, we pay a lot more taxes, but we think it's worth it because our viewpoint is why should I have two cars and my neighbor have none. I'd rather share with my country people instead of having everything. Look at those happiness indexes. Finland, I think is always the happiest country. In the world. You know, Denmark too, Yeah, Denmark too. Yeah, And there are nine million people in Denmark or whatever. It's a small you know, relatively speaking. Sweden's maybe nine million, It's six million something like that. It's like the size Arizona, you know, in terms of like right population is. So there are obviously differences, but you know, worth the main our export is war. Our export is you know, we have financial and economic control and tech and so all of the things that our federal government spends money on.

29:29 When you have those experiences like that, that can happen to anybody except the upper you know, five percent of the population, Like you could die from medical disaster. None of those other countries has that ever happened. Does someone get bankrupt, you know, have a financial disaster because of medicine just here? And those priorities to me are really weird, especially when you go to Costa Rica and wait a second, like, wait a. Second, you know, wait a second, right, you know, And again it's mindset's how people think, and I think, like you, we're one race, the human race. Period. I'm trying, dude, to do this in my music. And maybe you know, now that we've had a conversation, you go back and you give me twenty six minutes of your time and put the headphones in a zone out for a little bit. Because all the music that we're creating and all the words that we're creating are positive in their message in terms of like, I'm a believer, I have hope, and I believe that art is able to open people's eyes and make them a little bit more open and a little bit more gentle.

30:24 And so now you know. Not to fucking says shamelessly sself from Mote, but dude, this is really like the sentiments and the things that we're talking about as the core of what I believe. And it's clearly like at this age, the core of the art that I'm trying to make. And I'm like, I hope people can latch onto that and like take something away from that. Just think a little bit more deeply. Question the things that you've always been told, you know, question the veracity of the things that you've been passed down from generations. You know, like you said, your grandpa never left his block, like go to Morocco, you know, change your life. It always will, no doubt. And you know what, music is the biggest unifier if you ask me, and it's also the best therapy there is. Motorcycles close close second, but yeah, you know there's something about that on the open road, just through the hills, you know, yeah, but yes.

31:11 But yeah. So I'm really appreciative of somebody like you giving that art to us because it is something that is beneficial in so many ways. And you know a lot of people out there now are saying, oh, musicians, they shouldn't have a voice, you know, No, they should have a voice more than anybody, because that it is one of the greatest voices. If you don't like what they have to say, you listen to somebody else what they have you know, their music, but. Universal language, dude. Everybody knows it, no doubt. So tell everybody how they reach out to you guys on socials, on the web, how they get the new album, how they check out everything about you guys.

31:54 Okay, we'll talk about business, dude. Fine. So we are Little King too UNEs pretty much everywhere. And when I say tunes, it's like songs like t U n E s The Little King Tunes on all the social media. Little King Tunes dot Com is our website. It's everywhere as of midnight tonight, you know, Friday, Friday, September twenty sixth, we released a couple singles called Catch and Release. I was back in August and then don Villa a few weeks ago, which is actually about my home, my home, neighborhood, your good stories in all of those songs, you know, fishing with my dad in the first one, you know, doing the Yellowstone River, things like that. So everything comes out tonight, and man, I just like, I hope people give us twenty six minutes of their time. You know, it's a really proud of this one, you know, and I'm hope, I'm hopeful that we can at least go to Europe and play some shows and not take a bath, please contribute to the Europe to our fun, you know, and then from there about I hope, I just hope people dig it always for sure. I appreciate you and your time and your.

32:49 Interests, and I think they will dig it, and they definitely need to spend the time to take a sonic journey of yours past. There you go, brother, that's it. Thank you so much, appreciate. Thank you, Thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on w for c u I Radio.