PipemanRadio Interviews Julien of Rev Theory at Aftershock 2025

0:04 Hi, you love one too? Yes, that's true. Why for you young? This is pipe Man here on the Adventurers pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm. Here with Julian from REV Theory. Nice here at Aftershock R E V Theory. Everyone thinks it's Red Yeah Fury. Why we've had Red Wrath Fury We've had We've had a lot. I know it's that happened. Well it started out as look, I could say reb maybe right, but yeah, Red.

0:46 Fury be the d well we had. Yeah. Yeah, we've had like actual marquees with Red Fury. Like I believe that you should actually do that, Like when you're going out on tour, you know the warm up shows bands do you could do it as Red Theory. Yeah, it should be Red Fury, Red Fury. There you go. That's sick. They're opening up. Yeah you can't. You could fuck with everybody and like do a tour. Yeah, and it's like REV Theory and Red Fury, Yeah is the opening band. I feel like we could do Theory of a Dead Wait, REV Theory of a dead Man, Sleep theory read what.

1:30 Is with the theory? A lot of theories. Everyone's got theories. Actually, you guys are old school. Dream Theater's old school. Like all these new bands, like, I get them confused when I'm doing their reviews. It's like everybody's a theory. Why aren't you a fact? Oh it's twenty twenty five. Well, it was. Supposed to be a hypothesis, believe it or not, once we learned that a theory had to be backed up by certain facts, and so you actually were out the window. Everything was actually so we were revelation theory. Yes, it was revelation. Theory that actually also known as but I didn't see the Red Fury, so at least I got cleaned up on the internet exactly. That's an inside job, right.

2:10 Yeah, and so I want to say that you were at Louder Life you were at Aftershock. Okay, who wins who with who wins. Who or after Shock? That's a good question. So obviously I feel like there's a bohemian vibe here in California, like the whole grounds are designed or this is what they have to work with, whereas in Louder than Life apparently this was the first year at the Exhibition Center. Yeah, so if you're talking about just. Pure logistics and like perfection to a t. The physics of Louder than Life was a plus. This feels a little more like a California LUGFests, which I kind of like, like it brands out a certain vibe, which I like, you know what I mean, Like.

3:06 It could be like a Dead show and the Metal show. Well, Stevie Nicks played last night to us sold out arena, and you also have whoever we have here at the same time sold out. Yeah, you going to think about how many people We were trying to figure that out, how many people are. In this town and who's coming to the show. Well, this festival brings in like one hundred thousand people. I'm sane or unbelievable. Well, we've only heard the lore of Aftershock because the band's been we'd literally just we weren't even a band, right just so ten years now, and so we've only seen Aftershock. We've only longed for after shock, we've only opined about after shock. We've yet to actually experience, so to actually get when you're on the outside again and you're just living like the character and Good Fellas where you're Henry Hill just coming out of your house, getting your mail and going on the internet. And drinking coffee and just thinking like wow, that after shock looks really fun, right, and.

4:10 Here we are and here we are. I agree with you, okay that I've done both of them for many years. Aftershock has always been a vibe. This media artist area has always been the best vibe of all the Wimmer festivals. Nice. I mean we got free pizza, free alcohol, free drip bar. The artists are right next door, so they all want to come in here. They don't even have to walk that far. Like if you got walk like around the festival, you're not coming right, but you're right there, free food, free alcohol. There's nothing that would draw an artists over better than that. We're looking for limited movement, to inspire actual movement from lazy late. We don't get into this business because we want to move. We into this business because we want to move last. Yeah, exactly, when you provide things at the arms reach, not legs reach, we don't necessarily want to take a step right. We want to reach for all of the stuff and we want all that stuff to be free.

5:12 And that's what you have. This is it so louder than life? To your point, I don't know if you saw what was like last year and the years before I've. Seen like pictures. It looks fun, very fun. I can't tell you how thrilled I am. They put it on the other side because the side it was on all dust and gravel. I mean, you know about the festival dust, the festival flu. Shit, what's the worst there? Like this year, I dreaded going there before knowing it switched because every year I go and I can't breathe for like three months, right, and I'm coughing up rocks, not just dust, but rocks to the gravel. Right, So this year it was so cool they had the artificial turf and the asphalt that I was like running around the place like yay, no festival does.

6:12 Yeah yeah, So your throat and your esophagus I could still diaphram everything. Your lungs are essentially just in a celebratory no, this is it, this is it? So for us the first time, so logistically it looks like it's all over the place as opposed to like just that as flat. Right, Louisville, Kentucky. That's a perspective. Your perspective is from what was last year. Our perspective is for what was from last week. Yes, which is really crazy. So have you been to Louder than Life or the other DWP festival? Like all of them, That's what I'm saying. I've been all of them for like sixteen years, that's right. So Louder Life for you missed you.

6:53 We missed you last week there to know we didn't know we were that's when we even knew. We were there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it's like here, what's the cool vibe? Is like at night they have lights, so it all lights up pretty like Christmas trees and then there's people literally that will be sitting in the trees watching the headliners. That was sick that we did see that. That's de California. We actually stood in front of a tree while watching Depthtones. We all the whole band loves the Death Tones see, and we watched the Depth Tones from behind a tree in the VIP area and we watched almost half the set and we accepted that the tree was almost part of their sets, as if I couldn't move to the left, which I did halfway through the set, and I realized, wow, now the tree's gone, but.

7:41 You do respect the tree. You know what else you could use the tree for? So I was at the Exodus set over on the other side of the corals Light and Rob the singer had everybody do a circle pit around the tree. Wow. And what was so cool about it is you know how in the middle of the pit you'll have these guys standing. There like they're the guardian of the pit. Yeah, they were standing around the tree like the guardians of the tree. Oh that's sick. Yeah, I love that. It was so cool. Yeah. I do feel like there is, like I said, back to the bohemian sort of through line, that there's something very Laurel Canyon.

8:22 About this festival. I love that. That's a great comparison. Yeah, it just it just feels like very artists centric. Which artists aren't perfect. There's no sort of there's a lot of jagged edges. And I feel like when you have something perfect like Kentucky, probably a great experience. As far as perfection, this has that. Yeah, this is perfection as far as oh man, this is fun that kind of professor very cool. Where are you from? Originally born in New York, grew up in Jersey. My dad moved me to la in nineteen eighty. Wow. And that's when I. Started this battle vesse that you're looking at right below you here.

9:04 Holy shit, are you serious? Serious? You wore this originally since nineteen eighty I drew everything on it. Dude, that's insane. This too that well, No, this is the Metallica patch of that day. And it's funny because I was interviewing Winston from Parkway driving. He's like, when did they have a devil logo? Can you guess what that represents? Probably what James has been dealing with since he started the band. Jumping the Fire, jumping to Jumping the Fire patch. Nice? Nice? And then Slayer didn't even have a patch yet. So I just got these velvet letters and ironed them on. Wow. And then I'm walking around LA and people thought I was a gang banger and that was my gang name.

9:49 And then it's seeing a few pits. Yeah, oh that's sick, dude. Oh I love that's venom. Oh my god, bro, that's awesome. Wow. Yeah, it's not like the ones you buy today. Yeah. Well, I was. Actually talking about that. This is from the time. Like I even realized. So I looked at like recently, I bought it at the gap, get just a regular vests. Yeah, And then I did everything else. Yeah, well this doesn't have a hot topic. It right off the shelf, right, you know what I mean, Like, we're not buying jeanes. We had to work at it. So I'm saying, you're not buying your jeans with rips in them. You earned those roops. Never did get that. My daughters used to have me buy those.

10:35 I'm like, yeah, why are we spending double the money? I'll rip the jeans for you. Okay, you're fast tracking everything. When I was sober for a little bit, they used to say cocaine used to fast track you into sobriety, and I feel like we're fast tracking everybody into life experience. Yeah, well truly truly right, Well, of course, because it's like what else, what else do we have? Like you're gonna be a degenerate gambler addicted to something gaming drugs? Dopamine. Dopamine's a big one, yeah, and that's why we do all those drugs to get the dopamine. You got any I wish dopamine? I wish? Well, I think I used it all up.

11:21 This conversation is good enough for me. Actually, this is getting me jacked. See no drugs. See that's what I love because like you, as an artist, you're walking around doing these intervens and everybody's asking these same questions answer a million times boring. I'm gonna say it. I'm sitting sometimes I'm like I'd slip my throat right now if i was an artist. When I'm hearing certain things. The best one I've ever done, I mean, I love that, Yeah, because it's just it's actually real. Yeah, it's organic, and. That's why it should be, because that's how I find out what you really want to talk about, and then you'll talk. That's the difference. It's not about what I want to talk about. It doesn't matter why I want to talk about's what you want to talk about.

12:03 There's a shift happening and music. We were talking about it earlier. Actually, like the industry itself is we have these kind of old guard where the word radio means something right and record deal used to mean something, and there's sort of like a Catholic sort of holding to the vest this power over other. People and the narrative. And I feel like that shift is happening. That same thing. If you look at any type of podcast or any type of real interaction, it's just human beings. Connecting with each other at a human level, and things find their way, some good, some bad, some ugly. And it's like with music, there's still enough Catholicism, like we haven't quite Protestants. We haven't created the other evangel We have a few, maybe Radiohead and some of the.

12:52 You know what I call it for radio, I own multiple radio stations, but I'm not old school interesting. I owned a podcasting that work. I beta tested Iart Radio's original podcast network before it was even word. I'm iHeart talent, but I don't come from radio. So all these old school radio people, basically I say, they have WKRP in Cincinnati, syndrome tarlic and they won't let COVID. They won't like COVID. It's like I tell them, I'm like, dude, it ain't like that anymore, Okay, let go of that shit. And people want real nowadays too. It's like I tell some of my hosts that have shows on my network, I'm like, throw your fucking script away and stop editing the shit out of it.

13:39 Keep it on. I tell people, keep someone the ums and nods in and then they know you're being real. If it's like perfect. People today don't want that because they're all a shit show, so they want you to be a shit show. Too, for sure. Yeah. No, it's that's great, man, actually shocking and all and great to hear that perspective of someone that's in the radio business. On the other end, we're on it from the payola end, right, Yeah, so you're on it from the payee and fantastic. Yeah, totally Yeah, interesting, interesting, we will, we should. I feel like there's more to learn, There's no doubt there's a lot more learn. Yeah, always, so we have a lot less time to learn it. Yeah, but I have SEQL absolutely.

14:24 I have one thing I want to talk about though, Yeah, like you come back yeh. You do louder in life, you do aftershock and even today you did a collab and released an EP, Like it's like, holy fuck, it's like. You never left. Yeah yeah, I think that's so cool. Yeah, well yeah, I guess it's funny. I've been thinking about how I would be how I would answer this question with someone that asked me that, because it's the band has been working and living and just off being a real band for probably ten years, and the guys have been kind enough and open minded enough to let me explore an experiment.

15:09 You should artist, I say all the time. Yeah, And that also means with the sort of sanctity of the rev theory. Like the people call it the brand. But it's like I'm in a place where we want to be an evolved to a completely different place where it's like there's a monotheism of music that has gripped everybody for the last fifties, sixties, seventy years, and I feel like music isn't what kids and people and myself. This is not where I'm evolving to. I'm evolving into something that is less, possibly a little more reckless, maybe a little more nihilistic.

15:51 And part of that is it should be. Yeah, And part of that punk rock rebellion. Comes down to like the technology, obviously, the AI coming into things as a tool, mastering that tool, finding out what kind of wings that it could create for you and for me, it just allows me to be a million different things at once. Yes, And I feel like the verb kind of had that lyric where I'm a million different people from one day to the next, and I feel like we all are, and these new tools are allowing us to do that. And the guys are letting me do that with REV and people that are along for the ride. Stuff comes and goes, EPs come and go. It's not as it's the way it should be. Yeah, So that's sort of inst your artist.

16:37 You should experiment, you should explore, and you should be having fun. Now sure, don't explore an experiment, you're not having fun exactly, bottom line. And guess what that exploring and experimentation brought us to all this other technological stuff that I've been collaborating with REV theory on and then and at the end of the day, we were connected with the guys and we said, let's do it analog, Let's see each other, let's do an analog, let's get. Together, let's do this. Let's move people. And when you see it and you feel it, you see the kids from the next the revelings, the little kids where you know a singer's daughter and our drummer's son, and you just feel the familial element of where everybody's in a great place, where all this finances aren't an issue anymore.

17:22 We're just doing it because we love it. So I feel like there's a duality that people talk about, and I think you can walk both at the same time. So I think REV Theory will always be what it is in an analog way, and then REV Theory will also be a platform to explore technological artistic experiments basically, and. Everybody has to stay tuned for the tour between REV Theory and Red Fury coming to. A sit nice, love it. Thanks a lot for being here at Aftershock. It's great. For being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Awesome, Thank you bye. Thank you for listening to the Adventure of Patement on w for c UI Radio.

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