PipemanRadio Interviews Ithaca at Aftershock 2023

0:04 Hey, you have done to censure? Wow, pray you why become of America. It's time for the Adventures of white Man on W four c Y dot com. West pom Beach is number one internet radio station. Here's your host, the white Man. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with Sam and Tom. I'm We're from Ithaca, all the way from London. Wow.

1:00 You know there's a lot of UK bands Aftershock, for sure. I just came back from there myself because I did download and bloodstuff nice. And so I like to ask the UK artists. You know, since the UK and Europe they really know how to do a festival. How do you like the Danny Wimmer festivals? I mean, I think they're incredible, to be honest, Like it's really like it's such a different experience to the UK festivals, but like in a good like the scale of it is insane, and also like it's very American in a way that I really like, Like I don't know, like the Marines are recruiting here and stuff. It's cool and also have the Army. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, I mean it's completely unlike any UK festil like you went to download, So you know, it is a very different thing that feels like in a good way, sort of like dirtier and greater, especially when people are staying in the middle of the crowd they have to go to a bathroom and don't leave, they just pe right there. Yeah. I mean I've seen it. I've seen that happen.

2:05 We went a European festival. A friend of mine saw someone throw up some noodles and then eat those noodles. Oh yeah, so I'm sorry too. I saw someone shit into a plastic bottle and throw it at a band at a UK festival. So I don't feel like you get that here, but yeah, lesser. Everyone feels a bit more like polite and genteel and like well dressed and like less elastic. Now it makes sense because way back in the eighties, Venom would come to his Venom yeah, and they would throw pronos, would throw a bucket of piss on the crowd. Yea, So now I know why, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's just the way we do. Yeah. And I mean Dylan Joy Escape Plan played Reading Vessel and famously took a ship on stage, and we're like this is what you're going to see up here for the rest of the day.

2:50 I was like, Okay, that's so antagonistic. I love it. Well, how about the who Keith Moon used to like, or Pete Townsend would take a ship on his drums and he would eat it, which was a problem. We're so repressed that the only way we can express ourselves is through shitting, apparently. I love language exactly. Yeah, I get you a guy, you can do both, you know. Oh my god. It is funny though, because, like you're in the States, if you just randomly as a guy pe somewhere, you could go to jail and get put on the sex offers. Right, Okay, so you like I, I go deep in the woods, make sure nobody can see you, and I'm there right download And it's like either eight or just pissing wherever they want.

3:35 They're all lining up against the wall next to the stage. Yeah, all on the artist posters as well, which is very unfortunate. Yeah, that's stupid. And and and the troughs. I don't like using those. I don't want to sit with a line of guys pissing. And then it's rolling down. So if you're on this side, you're catching everybody's piss. Yeah, I mean European toilets get a lot of stick. I think the trough's awful in like mainland Europe. You get the ones with the shelf. Yeah, yeah, which is terrible apparently, so you can expect inspect your waist to make sure that you've not got like a problem. But I don't need that. But I've had Americans calling out like European toilets all the time, every time I've told them, and we come here and you have so much water in your toilet bowl that it is upsetting. It's just like you're gonna like drop into the water. I'm calling out us toilets. Well, how about the Yeah, how about the next revolutionary war is about the toilet?

4:30 Yeah? You know, I mean poor women like I hear all the stories they have to like stand up and like squat and not touch anything and like hold on and the patriarchy. You know, I'm telling you, somebody's gonna make a change. Maybe it's you, guys. This is my campaign slogan, right the hill I will die on. I think I got to run for president four and less water in the toilets, those are my pot I'll be like and I'll give it shit about walls. I don't give a shit about this water in the toilet and better porter of parties. I think that's it. I think I would win. I've got my vote. Yeah, So tell our listeners who have not listened to you before, how you, as an artist express your music, not from a genre put you in a box standpoint, but how you look at your music or you want people to look at your music. That's a really great question, I think in terms of what we're trying to communicate. I mean, I always give a little speech when we play shows where I talk about, like, for us, it's about more than just music, which I know every artist says that, but like for us, it really it's really, really, really true.

5:44 Like the record that we wrote during the pandemic and the record that came out last year, like it really is a lot about trauma and about like coming into your trauma, but also actually the ability through in a word, to come out of the other side, you know, Like it's not just about like like there's a lot of trauma in metal, a lot of nihilism, but actually with I feel very passionately about us not being a nihilistic band and about actually spreading a more positive message about the possibility of healing, you know what I mean, Like if you're going through trauma, healing is possible, Like recovery is possible, in a work is possible, Like you can have health and healing and like a new life, you know what I mean. You don't have any band by your trauma. So I think like in many ways, that's one of the core underlying messages. That's that's that's behind our last record. For certain I love that these Listen, there's people out there that think, oh, artists, should you get up there and talk just play your music right listen, Yes, you absolutely fucking should. Yeah.

6:34 You know you have that pulpit, You have something to say, something people need to hear. And that's what music's all about. I mean, we're not a punk band, but we all come from like the DOI saying, you know, hardcore bands, punk bands, that sort of stuff. And I think that ethos still is there. But if you have a platform, you need to use it is your responsibility to use it to try and better the world or as watch the exactly and music is the best therapy for us thers and that says the listener. So why not exactly? And the best thing about being on this tour, which is our first story of the US, is that, like I've chatted to so many people who really feel like they've connected with the music, which is not I'm not gussing us up.

7:17 It's just like there's something about the message that we're trying to get across that people are like if there's really landing here, I don't know. I don't know about more so than in the UK, but like, I think people need to hear that more optimistic message. I think people need to hear that it's not just about like, yeah, nihilism or a kind of intrusive thoughts, so that, yeah, the healing aspects is something that we're really trying to offer people. Well, I'm toty about that because I'm a big believer of mindset, positive thinking and all that. And although I may like some lyrics and songs that you know, deal with trauma and this and that, but it should be used for positive not so you go into more of a depression or more anger or whatever. It's just like the marsh bit. The marsh bit is a healthy way to get out your aggression. So you don't beat the ship out of somebody on the street. It's just catharsis And that's when we're up on stage, that's what we're doing as well. Like we can all be stressed out dealing with horrible stuff, but then you get half an hour to just you know, pop your pussy and go wild out and it's just it's yeah, it's good. There you go. And it's funny.

8:20 You were just talking and made me think of some of the UK words that can't be said in America anymore. Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like you guys love to use the word cunt. We we've chatted about this with our driver. Yeah, yeah, that's a big no no here, you know, shut down in America. But sometimes it slips out because it's it can well it's hard of you know, it's just yeah, it's how you say it low it slips out. It slips out for me too, but it only has to do with my ex wife. I see. Well that's a whole other conversation. Right, what's the other word fag? You can't say that in America anymore either in the UK. And let people well, if you're talking about cigarette, right, yeah, that was I didn't even know that you used it for something.

9:03 If you said it about something else, you'd get fucking wrecked, I'm sure, but I never even knew you said it about something else. I thought it was just for cigarettes. Yeah. The queer community in the UK actually like uses the cigarette emoji quite a lot for that. Oh really yeah, it comes from the same etomology for both of them, because of like a fagot was like a bundle of sticks. Then yeah, they were like, but wanting to burn queer people, so like, oh look at that. Yeah, see I didn't know that. See you learn something every day. Not just pretty faces, you know, that's right, not even pretty faces. And also not pretty faces. That's really not you know why I want to ask about the red string on your wrist. Hell yeah, I'd be delighted to talk about it. This is Are you familiar with the Indian festival of Rutshabundon? Have you ever heard of it? Rutshabundon? No?

9:50 So this is my rockie. So I'm half Gadjati and like my Indian side of my Indian heritage. You said, you know, I wear a channel on stage, like I wear a lot of have to represent my indianheritage. It's something I'm very proud of, Like my Indian family is a very important part of my upbringing. This Rocky is something that traditionally gets tied by a sibling, normally a female sibling is a symbol of protection. It comes from an ancient story where yeah, and I think it was rum tied it on seated Anyway, I don't know the story. I'm going to get called out and canceled by exactly who tied the original. Is it a Hindu thing? Yeah it is, Yeah, Yeah, But my family takes Rocky very seriously because it's like it's about the familial bond, right, Like it's my sister tied this on my on my wrist, and my cousins tied some as well, and you wear them until they fall off, and it's like until they fall off, you've got their their like divine protection, you know. And you know why I asked you about that, because first of all, I knew it had to do something like that, but also to other reasons.

10:46 One is related to that. When I was just in Bali, when I was leaving the hotel, they gave me and tied on my wrist. It wasn't red though, but it was a string and it was basically this represent you know, good luck in your travels and blah blah blah for sure. But then the other thing is I'm a Jew, and then kabbala you as the same thing. So I thought it was pretty cool after you explain it, that you know, something like that could have similar meanings in different ethmesticicities to show that we are one race, the human race, we really are.

11:30 And like for me not to get super deep, but like I wear this really proudly because my parents aren't around anymore. Like I don't have a relationship with my dad, my mum has passed away, and so like my closeness with my sister is something that means so much to me. So like to be able to like carry her around with me is like a very powerful thing, you know, means See how good an interviewer I am and I may Yeah, how many people I've interviewed you and all the time you've been around that ask you about this is the first time I've been asked about my maraki. That is very good. So big points the scripts, just that's right, right, do better? Everyone else? Look at I do? I do if you notice, I look, most people, yeah, as you say, just don't even don't notice there, you know. And I'm glad I learned about it because I think in order for us to be understand other people and be good humans, we have to learn about their culture for sure, their religious beliefs. Like I think it's bullshit that only know yours, because how do you know if even you know you're into yours unless you know other ones? Like I've studied all religions, so my beliefs are based on knowing all of them, not just the one I was taught growing Absolutely, absolutely, And I think like there's a need for more cultural representation in this style of music, Like increasingly we're seeing bands who are wearing their tradition and their heritage more proudly, and I think that's like an amazing thing because like diversity of voices, diversity of representation enriches are you know, we get

13:00 We'll get more interesting music if we have more people like tolding their heritage proudly. And I'm not you know, I don't think that just has to be like ethnic heritage. Cultural heritage can be like class heritage, or it could be like all sorts of things like if you if you're like if you're Irish, or if you're like whatever, you know, like if you if you have a tradition that you've grown up in, like an environment or a container that is like made you the musician you are. It's like where it proudly, dude, like live it like you know, I don't know, sorry, just like I think you should. No, just like I think you should wear proudly. Like my second ex wife, she's from the UK, right, and she always acted like she was like a royal and then she might have been you never know. Okay, well and I tell you where she's from, you'll change your two. Newcastle. I like Newcastle, but yeah not really the Royal area a great city. Americans listening are visiting.

13:58 Newcastle is a city really fun to honest. All the UK big cities have like something really different to offer. I am proud to live in Manchester, like the rest of the guys live in London and it's sick and it's really different. But Newcastle is the wild place onto itself. Well at least you're not from Birmingham, because that I can understand you. No that yeah, yeah, well even Newcastle we struggle with and glass regions. Glass regions bad. But my my family have moved to Birmingham, so my niece has been growing up there and she's got a Brommy accent and it's so weird, like shout out, I love you, Grace. Sorry if you ever hear this in like ten years, but you sound a mess is what your uncle will get it together? You're not uncle Tom is a bit of that. Yeah, I you know, listen. I should have known better after listening to Autie. But the first time I was going to download, I was flying into Birmingham and my London friends were like, You're not gonna understand word, they say, I'm like, come on, I got a plain. I'm talking to people. I'm like, can you say that I'm Spanish? No clue what you google? It was? It was like and I'm like, oh, okay, do you have a translator. It's crazy. I used to work with a guy from the Scottish borders and that so far is the most unintelligible accident I found in the UK, because he literally would come up to me and go and I'd be like what, I'd be like, Laurie, literally, can you say something like I'm going to the bathroom, do

15:30 you want anything? And you have to talk to me like it was like a foreign language. It was ridiculous. And now that you said it the slower away, I'm like, oh, yeah, it did sound like yeah exactly. But I mean I ran into that a little bit in like Mississippi and stuff here, like getting me to my ear into Diagson's and stuff. But yeah, there's some wild ones in the UK, truly bonkers. And it's such a small country and the thing that like you go one hundred miles in one direction and it's just completely changed. It's mad. Well. It's like from New York and New Jersey and New Jersey, which is a very small state. Every city has a different accent. I can tell what city they're from by their accent, just like you guys can tell, yeah, I go to your gate. You get when you get to the elite level, I believe is when you can identify, for example, like the different boroughs of London, right, like I think different Lovedon. I think if you tune your here right, like North and South London of a different accent, and you can like hear and they use different slang. Yeah, and it's like that's like ten miles apart from each other. Everyone New York, every borough right, and even parts of the Burroughs are right. Like if you're closer to Queens, but you're in Brooklyn, you might have a mix.

16:42 Yeah, you wouldn't have the Brooklyn, you won't have the Queen, but the mix of Queens, but a mix of both. So I feel you. We copy you, guys. That's probably why it is. We've we've been doing it for a few hundred years. Indeed, indeed, well you guys rock tell everybody how they can reach out to you on socials and nowhere by your merch all that great stuff. Yes, so if you go to they fear us dot Com, that's got links to everything we're doing, shows coming up, all our merch, everything like that. We're also if the band u K just if they can band on band just with command on Insta. I definitely know all our socials, so yeah, check us out and if about UK on Facebook. Okay, yeah, there we go that one. Yes, just go on they fear us dot Com and then you'll yeah, you'll find it. I need to worry about it. And for our listeners in Birmingham can you translate all that to Birmingham. All right, so we're going to go on the ethic of social if you have social Yeah, going at ethic band dot com. No, that's shine. I can't I lost it. Yeah, no, I can't do it. Okay, all right, they fear us, they fear us dot com. That's better that they fear us dot com. There we go. Now we're in it.

17:55 N there you go, very annoyed that we did that. Of course. Regions, Oh yeah, they're gonna be pissed. But you know, hey, oh well, you know, I know, listen. It'll give them a reason and listen your music because they're then why I hate you? So they're gonna want to listen to music. They they're gonna go, oh my god, they're really freaking good. I guess I'll take whatever insult. See, we've not tried it, that's right. See, and people make fire Ozzie all the time, but they still he keeps geting more fans. So there it is. Well, thanks for being on the Adventures pipe Man, and I hope to see you again. Pleasure to thank you, Thanks for having us, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin. I'm w for c u I radio,