PipemanRadio Interviews Heavy Pettin About Rock Generation

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0:53 Channel, this is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm gonna tell you about their next guest. My next guest is because oh my god, it's like one of the longest hiatus in history, and I'm very excited about the new music. You know it is funny. Okay, So first I'll just say this is Amy from Heavy Patton and I had an interview recently with band a band that I was friends with when I was a teenager and I haven't seen since, and they just came out with a new album. And then there you go another bet in their beat and they were Savage Grace and their band Dark Angel.

1:35 They just came out with a new album. It seems to be the trend nowadays that all the bands from way back are all playing out new music now and actually touring and everything. It's like it's like they never left. I love it. It's like, yeah, I've made a bunch of different people in different bands on tours and stuff that are all back together, just like cousin not playing and stuff. And well, I mean everybody, it's the best gig in the world. Play man, that's it, brother, it's everybody wants to be back out playing, And especially if you've got songs, especially if you've got songs that you really did didn't think the world needs to hear and think that you can still deliver. So I think that's the big key. If I failed, that our songs were terrible or we couldn't cut it live, then I wouldn't be back out playing, you know.

2:29 And that's because you're a true artist. And as a true artist, we're our own worst critic. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely yeah. And I you know, it's funny because what's cool about too, is so I do radio coverage at festivals all over the US, UK, Europe. Just got back from a few, And what I love nowadays is bands like yours, bands like you know that are in our age group. Younger generations are into like I remember being a teenageer going to see bands on that Sunset strip in LA in the eighties and I would never go see a band of people my age now, And yet kids love it.

3:15 So yeah, yeah, it's it is pretty cool. It's pretty amazing that, you know, a lot of the shows that we play and you do the meet and Greeks after and all this kind of stuff, and people are talking to you. You know, it's just amazing. You know that they started playing, you know, they started getting into everything because of you and everything else, and you know, it's it's in the different age groups are just absolutely amazing to me at the moment because it's like you get people that are our age, you know, you get people that are sixty, you get people in your fiftiest, people in your forties, thirties, and they even way down till in the teens because their mom and dad have been playing our music or whoever's music, and these kids have been digging that and then they want to go out and see other live acts, which is absolutely fantastic.

4:08 Well see, I think that's what's the key too, because like myself, I've brought my son and my daughters and my grandkids to festivals and concerts of my music. But yet there's no way in a million years my dad would have ever gone to any show I wanted to go to. And I think that's the difference. Our parents were into a very different type of music, whereas it seems now that the the rock metal hard rock is like multi generational now, which it wasn't when I was. Oh god, yeah, no, it definitely is multi generation. And now I agree with your kids. Look my dad, you know what I mean. I don't think I think my dad.

4:56 I think the first time I think my dad came me at one show when we were back in the day doing more thing and we headlined the Apollo in Glasgow and that was the big place. That was where we all went to see bands. Is that was a kid growing up. That's where I saw Queen mat who Slid, dig Bowie t Rex, you know, priests, I mean everybody really And so when I played there, head Lane there and my dad and that came, my family came and that was one of the shows that he came in. But I don't really remember him being here, you know, he never really came here kind of stuff. Whereas my kids, I have a daughter on the son, and they go to the they go to shows and they come here there.

5:44 You know, they're looking forward to us company too in America, so they can come to the shows. So it's a totally different thing now, brother. Oh yeah, And I think it's great because it's just made rock like bigger and better than effort. Hell yeah, yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that. It's it's it's it's pretty amazing to see and you know, and you see all the younger, younger faces in the crowd and all that any other music, and it's and then you get the chance to meet them after and it's it's it's pretty awesome. I really dig it. So my question is, is what is it that lit the spark after a triple decade hiatus.

6:30 Well, I think it was. Actually I was I'd moved to well, I've loved in America for a long time, but I moved to Florida and I was sitting on the beach with my with my one of my daughters then and and she was just talking about Dad, you need to put the band back together in deada dead Dad, And I was lit, Man, there's no chance of that. None of us like each other. You know, we haven't spoke to each other since. I mean the last time we all spoke to each other was in two thousand and seven, where the Japanese everybody always wanted to put us back together, and for whatever reason, nobody would. Nobody would do it, but we're on different places.

7:11 And then the. Japanese getting touchway is and they offered a whole bunch of money and an album and a tour, and we all thought about it and said, yeah, yeah, let's do it. And then after the initial phone call was one by one, we all started bailing again, and because you know, the old problems, we're all surfacing and so we ended up walking away from it. And then fast forward to twenty sixteen. The end of twenty sixteen, my daughter was talking to me and I said, you know, you're right. I see a lot of bands getting back together. I said, let me think about it. And then I made the initial phone call to Gary the drummer, or named Gordon, the guitar player, and they get in touch with Punky and Brian and everything seemed to be a girl. And then we set out a time that I said, Okay, I'll flight London and we'll meet up in the studio and we'll rehearse and see how everybody feels and that kind of stuff. And so by the time I got on the plane and I arrived, we were down like two guys.

8:20 It was like, well, what the hell, and so we ended up getting two other people and and that was it. That really was the whole thing. Eventually the original people except me decided they didn't want to do it, and so I kept on filling those spots. You know, we're finding really good musicians and until I get to to where we are now, and it's like, I really believe everything happens for a reason. Yeah, and we are now at the best part of Heavy Peyton has ever been. You know, we're a much better band live. Everybody's a great musician, and we've did some great I mean, we're right, great songs and the album is fantastic. So I know I'm not dogging what we did before, but I think it's like everything everything moves forward, and back in the day we were great and fantastic, but I think there was a you know, time to get it's tall, and it was now set for this new version of Heavy Paint, which I think is just faster, stronger, tougher and ready wrong.

9:28 You know. Well, you know what I think the key to that is is the fact that you know, basically, you get to a certain stage light in life and some things are set aside that allow you to get along with people in a band that you hand pick better than then the people you started with when you were teenagers. That you grow up and then you don't really like each other, like I would never ninety nine percent of people I hung out with as a teenager would never hang out with today. Yeah, that's actually a good equation about it. Yeah, it really is. You wouldn't, you know. And we had a great team, don't get me wrong. We had an awesometimes sale millions of albums, doing whatever term the world away everybody, and but you know, eventually things happen, and that's what happened to be is after about ten years a tour of recording tour and recording tour and recording touring, it was, it just took its toll, and we just did not like each other. You know.

10:33 That's what ends up happening. I think when you're spending that much time with people that maybe you grew apart from, that's what kind of happens, is the way I look at it. Yeah, it is, you know, and everybody had different entry. I mean we are from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety, it was like by the time nineteen ninety came, everybody had different ideas of what they who they wanted to be, what they wanted to do, and you know, and a lot that just didn't mesh with the five of us because we all had different aspirations about what we wanted to do musically, bandwise, everything. So, yeah, you gotta be on the same page bottom line, you know, especially if you're gonna go do tour dates and spend time in the studio, like you have to like each other.

11:21 Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's a that is a plus, and that's a that's a big prerethquisard for me. Now I need you like all the people I'm hanging that way. I go and spend time, you know exactly, And I love it that was your daughter's idea because that just go Hammer's home the point I talked about in the beginning, Like if my dad said, let's say he had a band when he was younger, I don't think I ever said to him, hey, you should get the band back together. I'd be like that really be like really okay, you know, forget it. That was your path, so truly cool. I think it's really cool your daughter did that.

12:03 Like it is. She still takes a lot, she still takes the credit for it. I love I love it. Well, of course she does. Mine went too. So wait, you can't see my whole shirt. But my youngest store boy for me, it said, said, you can't scare me. I have three daughters. Oh that's true. Right. We're in Florida, by the way, because that's where I'm at. That's where I'm in my studio in Florida. Right now, I'm in the Panhandle. I'm in a little place called a Mexico beach. Okay. Yeah, the daughter that bought me this, she lives up by Navarre. She's on the turtle team in thevar beach.

12:44 So not far oh okay, yeah, yeah, so that's cool. Yeah, I'm in South Florida, where it's a lot crazier. We call where you are southern Alabama. We don't even call that Florida road tide right oh man. So yeah, I was listening to a new album and man, it is tight. It is really really good, and you know, it's modern, but it brings me back to those feelings in the eighties like that, thank you good. Yeah, I appreciate that. It's like and Patman asked what we wanted to do. I mean, it's like what we didn't want to do. I mean, we took her. We took a lot of time getting the songs together. My partner in crime, Daivy Ache, And you know, he's my guitar player, one of he's one of my closest friends.

13:39 He's a great guitar player, great songwriter, and so when it came to writing the songs, you know, we took a lot of time putting the songs together and getting and getting the kind of sound that we felt that we wanted. And and it was one of those things where it was like we wanted to keep true to Heavy pain you know, we all the melodies and all the harmonies and all that kind of stuff, you know, and that's and it's not that hard to do with my voice because obviously my voice goes through all the different songs and I'm the guy, I'm the singer for the old Heavy Paint to the new Heavy Painting. But we wanted to keep as close to that kind of thing as we could. But we still wanted to be the kind of band that we wanted to be. You know, we wanted to be heavier and everything else. But we did not want to do was just for like you see a lot of bands doing that, they just go they just become that all of a sudden, become this real heavy band, right, you know what I mean for and it's like, wow, that was different. That's totally different for where they used to be. And uh, and so we we didn't really want to do that, but we wanted to have that. We want to be able to kind of straddle that fans properly where we had old heavy painting, but then for the older fans and then for newer fans, you know, just to keep it modern and where they could relate more to that the sound of the music and stuff. And so that's why you use stuff, you know, the Faith Healer, which is an example of you know, that's like basically a drop the

15:09 kind of real heavy heavy guitar kind of tune and then you have all the malady and the harmonies, you know, and the chorus and stuff like that. So but you know, I appreciate you saying that, brother, thank. You my pleasure. I agree with what you said too, because as somebody who's an old school metal head that also like I like heavy, heavy and I also, like, you know, just regular rock type heavy. But if a band like yours all Suddens tried to sound like a Slayer as an example, Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking you're faking it because it was on that back then, if that was your thing. So I'd rather a band stayed true to their foundation, just build on that foundation.

15:56 Yeah, And that was and that was decisions that were Dave and I sat and had talks about that. You know, that was you know, we okay when we decided that, because we'd already before Gordon to get one of the original guitar players left, we'd been talking about, Okay, we're going to do an album, and we'd already written a bunch of songs. And then when he decided to call it a day, you know, we Dave and I sat there and we went, Okay, we still have all these songs we've wrote together with Gordon and stuff. Do we want to keep that or do you want to just start afresh? And the two years just said now, hell, let's just start afresh and then just come up with a whole new batch of songs and and and that's that's the way andy up. And I think the songs have come across extremely well, you know, and I think but as soon as people hear them, when the album actually finally drops in October twenty fourth and people start hearing all the songs, then I think everybody's going to be sided, you know, and it's it's it's gonna be a good thing.

17:04 Yeah. Well, what what I love about the album is, like I said, it does remind me of all you But like the album is called rock Generation, I think it's the new generation, not a new heavy pat and it's just a new generation of heavy pet yeah, and. That's what that's why we did it, you know, with Party. You know, this is a new heavy pain new generation of heavy painting, just like you said. But it's also, uh, you know, rock generation is for everybody, for the rock fans, for for other different decades of rock fans that are growing up in common. And it's like, well this this is a not that's a silly example, but but it's really true. It's like when we were playing Europe, it's like we would go be playing Germany, France, and I mean we play everywhere in Europe the last five years since we put the band back together, and and it's amazing to see how many rock metal fans there is at it, you know, at different ages, at younger ages coming up. And so, like I said before, when we would do meeting Greeks and we'd meet all these younger people, it was like, thank god, does you know, I don't know if it was like for me, just that was registering for the first time and just going, thank God, there's a there's a whole new generation of rock fans coming up that's it's going to serve as well, it's going to be great for rock music. And because they would wear the exact same clothes as we used to wear in the eighties, you know, in nineteen eighty one, and I'd be like, damn man, this is crazy. And

18:36 then we really sealed the deal for me is when we went and did the last tour in South America and we're playing and bogutar. We're playing boguitar, and it was it was just wild. And again we're doing these big meet and Greek things and it's just thousands of fans and they're talking to you, but they're all young, and it's my god, this is a whole it is it's a whole new generation coming up in dating the guitar player was going, man, yees, it's a whole new rock generation and we look, wow, that's a good table for a song, you know. So that song and that's how it simple, but that's how it all started with that. I love it so and and like I said, it just actually rock Generation was the last song that we wrote it for the album, which was which was phenomenal because everybody thought it was going to be done and then we come out and say no, no, no, here, we want to do this and and put it in and it it was like the last nail in the in the car as they say, you know what I mean, it's a bum. Okay, this everything works well now I'm happy with this.

19:44 So it's a It's a perfect name too for everything we've been talking about here, Like you're saying, you know, it's exactly it describes it perfectly. And I had my own experience what you're talking about, because you know, the first time I started doing music festivals over in Europe in the UK, I was like flabbergasted because there were bands that I thought were gone all these years, and they weren't gone. They were just playing in Europe because the Europeans the way they love music, you know, and they're not like trendy about it. You know, you turn on the radio when you're driving through Europe and you're hearing eighties music.

20:27 Yeah, no, it's it's it's cool. It's like you see, And especially in a lot of the festivals that we played in the summers and stuff, you meet a whole bunch of different bands that had started at the same time as us, like in eighteen eighty one something like that, you know. And and just like you, I'd be sitting there and going, oh wow, man, I thought he is split up or something, you know what I mean. You're playing It's like, oh wow, well that's good, you know. And and and there was a couple of bands like that. I won't the bands, but there was a couple of me that I'd been friends with me back in the day. And then I thought they'd called her day and they never and they're like, no, no, we'be playing for years.

21:09 I was like, well, okay, that's awesome. It's wild. I love it. You know. There's so many of them too, Like it's like I went over there. It was like discovering new music that wasn't new music. It was my old music that I used to love that I thought didn't exist anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's kind of it's a small thing, small world, man, It's like, but it's awesome. Even the idea of your fourteen date tour with Uriah Heap and April Wine, I mean, yeah, that just brings me right back to the eighties. And again, those are bands that I know now are around, but I would never have conceived them of still being around today if I was just in that sheltered American you know.

21:57 Yeah, And you're right, he I mean, obviously you're right. Hep were just an awesome band. They've been around from the seventies and they've got some greats. I mean they have. They've written great songs and and and they still have a massive following all over the world, right, and so they've been out for I would say that I didn't know, because I think the new album, their new album, The Magician's Farewell, I think it actually is like a farewell tour. I'm not you know what I mean, I don't know. It seems to go on, but but there they played a whole bunch of shows when the album came out, and then now we're and it's twenty five, and obviously towards the end of twenty five now that we are, so we're doing the European we're doing the first European leg with them, and also we're starting twenty six with them.

22:50 We go back out in twenty six and do another sixteen shows in Scandinavia and then then they'll be you know, then who knows what happens after that, because obviously they're going to come back out and they're going to come to America and they're going to go they're going to play all over in twenty six. So you know, it's like seeing all these great bands. It's great to it's great to go see them now because you know, a you never know who's still going to be around and be how long it's got, they're going to keep on playing, you know. So if you got a chance and you love live music, you know, catch all these bands, you know, before they are just vanished and disappeared, right. I mean, look, there's all the older bands that were all great. You know.

23:33 Yeah, look at Ozsie, you know, and what's amazing about Ozzie is what we're talking about too, Like the whole world in every generation is mourning his death, and that just blows my mind. How great? Oh yeah, I think I think Ossie transcended any kind of little pigeonholes that you would want to put him in. It's like everybody knew who Ozzy Osborne was, matter what you did in your life. I'm sure there's a there was a few people on the planet that really never knew who it was, but most people and every planet that were any music, and every country on the planet knew who Ozzy Osborne was. You know, and on the way from Black Sabbage t solo stuff.

24:20 So totally and so some bands too, like like and to your point, some of them are even better live now. Like I was just doing coverage for Hellfests and Scorpions played and said, Scorpions, I can't even count how many times, like I always you see him in the eighties all the time. Their live show at Hellfest was probably the best live show I've ever seen them do. I Mean, I hate to say it, but I said it while I was there. They played right after Priest and they blew Priest away. And I've always loved Priests, so nothing against Priests. Oh I'm a huge priest fans a Scorpions, and I love the Scorpions, and you know, it's but I guess it's maybe maybe it's an angel thing. It's like, what is it? People say it's like a fine wine, you know what I mean, And and and and some people.

25:15 And obviously you have to be real lucky kids. I mean, obviously the older you get and you're doing it, some people don't. I'm not able to do it as good as they used to be. But then there's other bands that like the Scorpions, like Priests, you know, like Rob Halford all that good God and they're just as great as have ever been. But how does Halford have that voice still? Like there's exactly can't do what he still does any different to me than he did in the eighties. His voice, I mean, it's like it's just phenomenal to me. And just let maybe you know what I mean. He made him put on a better show now than they did back in the day. Oh yeah, And they're awesome.

25:57 They're they are better now than they've ever been. Oh yeah. I saw them headline download, Like I've seen them a bunch of times, but when they had a download in their own country, that was some serious live show, and that was only a couple of years ago, like last year. You know there, I love I love Maiden, I love all of that. I love Priests, I mean, but then again, you grew up with all those bands, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And and and even look at to go on a different thing, look at Death Labor, you know what I mean. It's like Death Labors are lightly bigger now. Than I've ever been, I think so. Yeah, Like it's funny because back in the day I like them best from their first album, which nobody probably knows of nowadays.

26:43 But you're right, they are better now. And you know, just some of the bands, it's like they haven't even aged. If you pay attention to just their music, Yeah, and their live show. It's like wow, yeah, like I'm in awe of that crap. Yeah, no, I said, I got a man, It's it's amazing. It's like, you know, I got a lot of respect. I got a lot of respect for all those bands, but I got held a lot of respect for Death Lever. It's like they have stuck to their guns doing what they do, and the vall has done it well and done yeah great, and they they've just kept on going doing what they do. Doesn't matter what MDL says, MDLS thinks, they just do it. And to the point now it's like, you know, they have just a massive stadium band and which which is absolutely fantastic.

27:34 You know, it's amazing. I even like you'll love this. A couple of weeks ago, I was doing a festival and Ringo Star played, Oh Wow, and oh my god, I have like one hundred and sixty bands. Ringo Stars band was in my opinion and many others, the best of the whole festival. And he's in mid eighties, and he was running around stage and doing jumping jacks. I'm like, that's why, that's my idol, you know, like that in my eighties, you're my idol. If I do that in my eighties, I mean, I'm that way now, but I'm fifty eight. You know, it might be a whole different story in mid eighties. Like so it's like I think it's I think music too keeps you young, keeps you alot.

28:26 No, that's I totally believe that. I believe that completely totally. It's kept me young first, you know, I mean, cause age is just a number, you know what. I mean, when you're in the whole raw business and you doing all that, it's like, it's it's it's pretty amazing. It does keep me young totally, and it is I agree with the age. It's just a number because like my youngest Stor, I'll bring her festivals with me sometimes and she'll be like halfway through the first day. Dad, I don't know how you do this every weekend because I'm done and me like I'm out lasting everybody because it is the passion and the energy of music that keeps us like this.

29:12 Yeah, and that's what and that, you know what I mean. I'm not I don't want to dog other kind of forms of music or anthet like that, but it's like rock music in metal and all that stuff is always going to be here, you know what I mean, because of the passion are the fans yeh, yeah, it's it's it's just amazing. So you know, long may it continue, you know, absolutely, and long may Heavy Patent continue because this album is badass and everybody's got to go check it out and check out your tour dates. Is there any other information you want to give the listeners that they need to know about what's going on? With you guys.

29:55 No, just follow our socials and let us said, we'll get the album drops on the twenty fourth of October. Then we start the first party of the first leg of the European tour with Urrai, and then at the beginning of the year then we start our second leg and in Scandinavia, and then we will just be playing everywhere and promoting that whole album. So keep up on our socials to find out where we are and which country we're going to be in because we mean to promote this. Oh, you know, you never know what happens in the future, but we expect to be out for the whole twenty six you know, promoting this album before we go back in the studio and do another one. So and so, now as your daughter think now that you listen to.

30:39 Her, oh it's awesome. She's she's highly excited, you know she is. And no, it's so this is this is so funny. And as our oldest daughter her, she sent a video the other day of my grandson and he's seven or something and he's laying on the bed and the our singles I was obviously we just dropped on it two three weeks ago as the title track Rock Generation, and he's playing on his sing but he's just the song is playing on these laptops and and he's just singing away. And I love it. It's a great grandkids are great, Like I have one of my grandchild. I've taken like several of my grandchildren to festivals with me, but one of them one time, he's like, yeah, I'm a jew.

31:32 So he calls me Zady, which is grandfather and Jewish, and he's like, ZAIDI take me to the stage. Oh man, that is awesome. Uh yeah, it's it's great to be able to share what we love with our kids and our grandkids because definitely, definitely, it's it's so cool to be able to share this when we weren't able to share it with our parents. You know, no, no, it's all yeah. I agree. So I love it, and I I attribute it to bands like you that are keeping this alive and showing that it's multi generational and that there is no timeline to rock and roll and metal.

32:18 No, bell, I appreciate that. Man. Thank you so much for your support. I really do well. Thank you for giving us the music, and thanks for being on the adventures of pipe man. Well take a light my brother there. Appreciate you taking the time you have me on my close. We never we played close. We just need to make sure we get in touch, so you can come to one of. The shows totally and anything. I'll look out for what festivals you're on because I do a whole bunch of them. So there's one cool, there's one here in the States you should look into that's good for your type of band. Is rock Klahoma is one that I do and okay like those yeah, as all the legacy eighties bands.

33:03 I will pass that along and hopefully we will see you hanging out getting of you my friend. I hope so too. Hey guys, this is hem Me from Heavy Pam and you're listening to the Pipeline on W four c Y Radio. Thank you for listening to the adventures of Patemn. I'm w for c u I Radio.