PipemanRadio Interviews Hardcastle

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0:50 Won't be a hostage Eddy More. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I am very excited about our next guest because they have some badass music and something I can really, really really relate to. So let's welcome to a show. Graham from Hardcastle, How are you? What's up? I'm great, It's great to be here. Hey, great to have you. And I just want to start off right off the bat talking about you know what I was referring to. I am a people pleaser from way way back and still to this day. It is such a difficult thing to get over, not only because of yourself, but because other people like you that way, and so they manipulate you, using that against you, and now you wrote a song about it.

1:46 So I'm pretty pumped about that song. It's a it's nice to know it. It's a unit. It seems to be somewhat universal, you know, thing that happens, because it can feel isolating. Sometimes you always always you always wonder too, like you always think when other people aren't that way, that what's wrong with them, When it's really what's wrong, you know, not what's wrong with them, it's that they're being some one way and you're being another way, and maybe their way might be better. Sometimes I look at it that way, Like I have an ex wife that lately I've been like, well, when it came to kids, well, maybe she was the right one. When all through out I was always like, why doesn't she do this? Why did not blah blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, maybe she was the one that was right. It's all so many things that we don't know, and at the time we try to just do our best. I just try to, you know, and then when you reflect, you're like, wow, I you know, could have gone that way, but yeah, I think what you're saying like there's definitely seems to be different personality types and some some personality types have no problem just always being this version of them themselves where it's like unapologetic and that's not really take maybe taking into consideration what is this how am I being perceived right now? Because I think that's part of it, is like you have this

3:20 like how am I being perceived right now? And sometimes it's like I'm just gonna like screw that, Like I'll just be doing whatever I want. I don't care how I'm perceived. I'm just gonna speak from my heart. That's what I feel like. I've started to grow into more as I've gotten to create this record and write about that and now externalize that. And I think it's a balance, you know. I think being a healthy amount of considerate and empathetic and whatnot are great things. But stifling your own identity or stifling your voice because of fear based thing, it can be pretty tough to to work through and and try to express yourself. You know, if you want to be it and you expressing the right thing and you think you're doing the right thing too, but you're not doing the right thing for you or the other person sometimes, you know, yeah, yeah, you don't really think of that. That's why the name of the song hostage, that that word alone kind of just describes it all, like somebody like you and me.

4:35 I look at that name and I'm like, I get it. You know, well, that's good to hear it. That's good. I'm glad it resonates and translates. Uh, you know what what I'm trying to get at in that song and with that with that title, yeah, and it you know, it flows through the music. So as an example, perfect example, and I had it happened just recently too. So I go on to WUR and I do radio coverage at festival. I'm perfectly happy going to festivals and concerts by myself because as a people pleaser, as you know, that's the only time you please yourself. Okay, So I'm the type, you know, I want to be there first. I want to be there to the last song. I want certain things. And then when you're up with other people, it's like you seem to set aside what you want so that you can give them the experience that they want. Yeah, and then you kind of miss out and like, yeah, most of the times you may not notice it. But then there's other times where you're like, and I had this just recently, don't like, see that's why I go to festivals by myself. Yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, it can be it can be tough because yeah, like you said, you don't really realize it.

5:46 Well, it's happening sometimes and then afterwards you're like, look, you're like wait, what what does that right? Exactly? Yeah? And I think that could be a varying spectrum of density. And sometimes those experiences are so intense you want to go, you know, write a song about it or something right, But other times it's it's kind of a slow, slow burn and slow build of experiences that reach a point where you're like, you know, why do I feel this way? I feel like I am not having a sense of self or a strong sense of identity and you. For me, I was like reflecting, and I was like, wow, I've just kind of been with music like what sound like? How do I sound like the person who's having success that I know? Or how do I sound like what an A and R might like? How do I get that sort of validation? And it was in some ways an authentic pursuit, but I think that stuff just kept seeping in the cracks to where it was like I didn't even have my own sense of voice or self. I was so concerned with that type of thing. Yeah, And you know, it's funny when you're young, you know, you're at least me, you kind of you're proud of it, like it's a badge of honor that you're a people pleaser.

7:13 It is until years and years that you finally figure out maybe that wasn't the healthy way to go. Yeah, sure, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Again, there's a lot of different personality types, and I know for me, I always felt like, you know, making everyone, yeah, like more about other people than myself type of thing, and that can sometimes backfire because ends up making it about yourself and you know in ways that you don't aren't fully aware of at the time because you're younger, you just don't have that experience. So it's a it's a tricky thing to navigate for sure, totally. Yeah, but it's great to you know, be able to connect on these experiences, especially through music, because I think at the end of the day, that's a major, major one of the best parts about making music is having experiences where someone's like, hey, I see some myself in the song or this, you know, I relate to this, or I feel I resonate with this. That's the beauty of music too. So as an artist, you can write a song, sing that song and it doesn't have the same feeling of hesitancy or holding back as if you were just talking to somebody, because you're just singing a song. Okay, so you can express yourself whereas you wouldn't have normally done that just talking to somebody, for sure. Yeah, and for the listener, we can hear things that

8:43 kind of let us know we're not alone and reevaluate maybe how we do things, but without somebody lecturing us. Yeah, we just hear it in a song and it relates. And the other great thing about songs is there's this music too, bake in that can support that. Like you're saying, it doesn't feel like someone's talking at you. You're kind of in this bed of sound or sometimes like a wall of sound, and there's this these visceral feelings. I know, for me when I hear records like like Best of You, like Dave Grohl is like singing screaming these words at you, but like the guitars are creating this you know, thunderous electric experience that I think helps you tap into that visceral sort of that visceral place that goes beyond words.

9:37 That can really help. I agree with that stuff home, especially subconsciously. Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's where too, I think music also helps because I think so many things. As an example, there's one there's one lyric by bring Me to Rise In that is I think like one of the most ingenious lyrics of old time, and may because I relate to it more than I ever admitted. That's the point is like sometimes we don't evenmit certain things to ourselves much less anybody else. Oh yeah, and then we hear it as a song and so like I'll tell people this particular lyric is like one of the most ingenious lyrics I relate to, and people that know me like they look at me like that doesn't seem like you, because that's the part that you're hiding within yourself that you don't really express and other people don't see. And like that lyric I'm talking abouts I can't drown my demons.

10:39 They know how to swim. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a great, such a great, such a great line. It's like it's just ingenius because it's so true. Yeah, Yeah, it really can can cut to the to the core in in ways that to Yeah, connect with your inner self, which a lot of times is there's so much going on in there that you don't your friends, the people you know, don't really know. But all of a sudden, the song comes along from someone who a lot of times you don't know, like an artist, and yet it feels like it's directly seeing inside of you beyond the external, right, I mean that's amazing. Like I feel like it took me a long time to feel this. But what we're talking about is why it's so important that everyone creates their own most potent and authentic art because you just don't know who out there is going it's gonna connect with. And I think the more I've been learning, like, the more honest you can be and the more unapologic that you can be with your expression, the more potent those connections are.

12:00 Yeah, when your music gets out there, or at least that's the goal, you know, And I think about it for like an artist like yourself putting out a song like this, these strangers get to know you more and relate to you more than the people that know you best. As an example, my youngest daughter one time, she's like, I know you, and in my head I'm like, yeah, she doesn't know me at all. She knows to me, I show her and she knows certain parts of me, but those other parts that are deep down. I think we share better with strangers than we do with the people we know because with strangers we don't have to worry about judgment, manipulation, all these other things that go along with it because we're not going to have to encounter them necessarily with that person, with that person. Yeah, that's a really interesting, just like example to look through because I think I think, yeah, they're actually tapping into something. Yeah, I mean, talking to a stranger about something can be this like revealing experience that you don't get and because I mean, what we're talking about really is kind of a big part of what the song was inspired by. These sort of rigid, sometimes often rigid sort of patterns and thought patterns and guidelines that we put on our sense of self as we represent ourselves to the world, like this is who I am and these are my this

13:35 is how this is how I am socially with friends, like everything, and Hostage was inspired by taking agency over the fact that I can be anything. I can be beyond that. I don't have to be these sort of limiting beliefs or whatever. Like you know, if you can you can transcend those type of things that you think to find your self. But really, you know, your own sense of direction can can guide your your who you are as a person. There you go and so yeah, so this is just one song, Like we've dedicated interview to this song because it's so important, but this is one song of a great new EP circuit right there. Yeah, nice, nice and uh so yeah, basically everybody's got to check out the new EP. You know, even if Hostage is not something you necessarily relate to, there's something else that you relate to. Uh and it's really I think the music's you know, badass, and the fact that I relate to it is even better. But that's what music is, right, It's the ability to relate its ability to be yourself too, as we were talking about before, because you know, when somebody says they know you, well, what do they know? You're not? Really most of the time you're not being yourself. It's like even being in a music artist, like your fans think you know, they know you because they've been through concert dear meet

15:09 and greeds they and all that stuff, but they know that part of you. You know. Yeah, And it also begs the question of like will we ever know ourselves? I mean, it's such a it's such an an elusive type of thing. And that's why I think just the best thing are the best thing I can do is just try to follow, you know, follow my heart and my intuition and instinct and create an ever evolving sort of approach where I'm I'm just open and receptive too. You know, I might not know everything and that someone else might not know me. I might not know myself, but it's it's an endless I think, pursuit of staying in that alignment with with what makes you you you know absolutely and you know, even what we show ourselves about ourselves, and that's what's great about music.

16:04 And like a song like Hostage is like I think we can finally admit certain things about ourselves that we don't because other people are actually the same way, and we go, oh, okay, it's okay, to admit it to myself. Yeah, totally, totally. I think how many things are we like self imposing that are not like real you know exactly, and you think they are, but it's not. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully there are things in life that give you a glimpse that, wait, I can transcend that thing that has made me feel like I can't get up on stage and sing, and I have. I've been as someone told me that once in my life or something happened, and that's become a rigid belief that I have with myself. And then all of a sudden, you hear a line in a song or something happens, you read a book, watch movie, and you get a glimpse that that might not be true. Yeah, and then you hopefully go and sing. There you go. That's uh, that's that's the hope of least. So yeah, man, I mean, I think again, the arts very important because it's terrible they try to take it out of schools because I think you need it, you know, yeah, of course, totally. I mean there's so many reasons you need the arts. That doesn't mean you don't need math, Like why people say one or the other.

17:34 You need it all, But the arts are like so important to our mental well being or emotional well being, our creativity, and it affects every aspect of our life, you know, and I love I'm not really a huge theory guy, but I mean music is math and math is music, like it's all one in the same. So the yeah, the either or it should definitely be both and in my in my book, that's it. So how does everybody reach out to you guys on socials? On the web? Get your new EP, check out your music tour dates, merch all that good stuff. Best place to go is if you're on Instagram at Hardcastle dot world. And if you're not on Instagram www Dot hardcastleworld dot com.

18:22 Who says www anymore? I know, right, Hardcastleworld dot I've only want to infomercial now. But if you're not on Instagram, you can you can go there. The EP comes out in September. We're going to put out the next single in July called Paranoiac Can you heard it here first? And nice? Uh yeah, we'll be playing some shows in June, but you know, we'll be around. We'll definitely be making some noise. We're just getting started and really really excited to be connecting with you and everyone who's finding the music for sure. Absolutely, and it's pretty bad at my best brow of life that we've got. We went to a million gigs together. He passed away last year, two years, two days after his birthday. Those birthday September thirteenth, when you're dropping the album and his name was Mark and it's dropping via m n r K, so just take put in the end we had two more ago. Yeah, Mark Needham and Mark McKee works on it. Well. Condolences for sure, uh you know, and well that's that's a that's quite a you know, coincidence. I know. And I just noticed it this second, like I'm like thinking, oh, he noticed it while I was going through all the pressure and stuff. But this second I was like looking at him like, oh, September thirteen, like visually looking at the m n r K and going right, wow, that's weird.

19:44 Yeah, yeah, for sure. No synchronicities. Yeah, man, there it is very cool. Thank you for giving us this great music, and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Thank you so much for having me and uh, you know, we'll see at a concert. Hopefully connects cross paths to something in person. Absolutely one all right, cool man, thanks a lot, you got it. Thank you for listening to the adventures of Patement on w for CUI Radio.