PipemanRadio Interviews Fugitive at Aftershock 2024

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0:59 This is play Man here on the Adventures pike MANW four c Y Radio and I'm here with This is Blake from Fugitive. It's Victor from Fugitive. Nice here at Aftershock. Oh yeah, now, first, right off the bat, I saw you standing over there, and I love. Your fucking shirt because that's old school. That's pre Pepper COC. That's right. Yeah, we're we are purveyors of the old school, probably to a fault, but I. Don't call it the faults what we're into. So I'll tell you a story you'll love. Then. I was at the first ever crossover show ever where medals and punks could be in the same room and not kill each other. In that show, it was at an Elks lodge called the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge, No security.

1:49 COC pre Pepper was on the punk side, suicidal on the punk side before they crossed over, and the Descendants metal side possessed Dark Angel and Savage Grace. Oh shit, most epic fucking show ever. That's very epic. Yeah, I mean, that's that's a sweet spot right there. What year was that, Like eighty six? I don't even remember, but it was somewhere yeah, back there, maybe even earlier than that. It might have been like eighty four or some shit like that. I know when I talked to Mike and Woody and I just mentioned you're probably not gonna remember this, and They're like, it was an Elks Lodge, right, And I'm like, yeah. I've played many a show to Elx's lodge. What about you.

2:31 I've played at least three shows at an Elks Lodge. Yet. That is so cool. So tell me what it's like to play a VFW or and Elks Lodge. You show up to this little building with what's the little emblem on the on the front of the play secret. It looks really secret when you show up. Right, Yeah, it's like you gotta kind of figure out what building it is, and then you might see some senior citizens walking out with like a hat on, you know, like some veterans, and then you found the right place and then you just load in on the floor and they clear out the chairs and you set your shit up on the ground, and then everyone comes in and you play right in front of them. That's my experience. Would you say it's more fun? It's really slippery? Uh that people just be spilling stuff.

3:14 It's sweats. The wood inside those buildings just accumulates the sweat to where everything has condensation. You're just kind of sliding around hoping you're not you know, you pick up your cables at the end, they're covered in dirt. Oh man, Yeah that sucks. Yeah, just get all the dirt and sweat. You become one with the audience. There you go, whatever the audience is. It's not like playing Aftershock, where you're playing for like fifty thousand of your biggest fans. Right, No, it's not. But then again, back in those days when we were playing them, it felt like that, you know, yeah, right, fifty people there. We were like, holy shit, this is a massive gig man, you. Know, I know, right, it does feel like that, because like in the beginning, if you have five ten people, that's a lot. So you get up to like fifty one hundred, you're like, holy shit, I've met it.

4:00 Oh yeah, it's funny how your perspective changes over the years. Like I'll go back to a venue I played when I was like, you know, seventeen years old that I thought was like a giant place, and it's like one hundred and fifty cap venue, you know, so it's all relative. You know. It is funny that you mentioned that, because like I went to all the clubs in LA in the eighties, you know, and on the Sunset Strip, and now I go back to her I'm like, and I was like fifteen, I'm like, this place seemed a lot bigger. Yeah, I know, you know, you start playing bigger places and then all those little all those places you thought were big look tiny now. No doubt. Which is it fun once in a while to go back to playing those gigs like that.

4:41 I still get to sometimes it's tight, it's still chill. You gotta i don't know, gotta be able to dry energy from less people when you're doing that kind of thing is nice. And I think when you have a venue like that and less people, that the people that are there are the most into it, Like if they were here, they would be your biggest people into the show here amongst all the other people. Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, That's a nice thing is I will still play some smaller places with this band because you've only been a band for a couple of years. So it's nice. I like being able to do both because the good things about both types of shows. Sometimes you play someplace so big that you're so detached from the audience that it's it's still cool. But like you know, my other band, Power Trip, we played Download Festival in England and it was like, you know, probably fifty thousand people, yeah and crazy like that, and I mean it was a great experience.

5:35 It was cool, but I mean they're like a mile away, so there's no connection with them, you know. I guess you know where you're standing. It's really hard when you can't hand out fist bumps to the crowd, you know what I mean. Yeah, you can see them and they're like, you know, they might be like yeah, but you know, you're just just so far away that you have to just focus and be like, Okay. How about when you're playing like a gig, like in Vegas at a pool that has a pool, when people are mashing the pool, I saw you. You know, if you're lucky enough to find yourself in that situation, that is. That's a whole nother ballgame. I think we should be doing that more. I think we should be. I think we talk about the music industry. I think one thing we could do is to innovate, would be to have more concerts and pools, like you know how like a kiddie pool the water just goes up to your knees something like that. Everybody's in it together.

6:24 You know, we're getting wet and wild. It's like at water park, and that's it's a concert venue, you know, Like we should really I think we could innovate big time and do that. Elon Musk is listening, Well, they could do it at Hellfest because hell Fest has that pool, but nobody plays there. They should set up a stage right at that pool. Yeah, exactly, Like everyone's just like swimming around together, swim washing. I think it would reduce the amount of injuries in the pit. This could really go somewhere. There you go, So, what brought you to Aftershock? How did you end up at Aftershock? Well, we have been playing in a good amount the last couple of years, and my other band had played Danny Wimmer festivals. So I think Wimmer, luckily he was stoked to have us on the festivals, and we tried to play Louder than Life a couple of weeks ago, but it got rained out.

7:13 I was there, I was bombed. Luckily we had this one coming up, and we knew that California would would come through with the weathers. I think, just yeah, I've been playing a lot and it you know, I'm We're just lucky to be here, happy to be here. Is these fests are really great and great exposure and just fun to you know, mingle and see people and play to a bunch of people. Maybe you don't even know who you are, So. Yeah, that's cool, wonderful opportunity. Stack stack built, stack line up, no doubt. We're literally sharing a joint dressing room facility with fucking pod. So well, there you go. Just yeah, the things that you never thought would happen, you know, circle moments. It's amazing. And especially when you have certain things happen in life that change direction of your life, you think, oh, fuck, now what I'm gonna do? But somehow there's always another road.

8:03 Yeah, it doesn't feel like it when you're at the crossroads, but I think if you just keep forging ahead and trying to, you know, make stuff happen. Hopefully it all works out. I'm very very blessed to be able to play and play music still because. Like a few years ago, I had no way of stepping on a stage. I was basically like a guy playing guitar hero. So I feel very lucky to be back here. And I got a bunch of cool guys to hang with and play with, so I'm lucky to have them too. So everything's Barry's and Cream, as you say, I love it. Everything's coming up Millhouse as they say, nice. Nice. And So since you've done a bunch of Danny Wimmer festivals in your career, I always like to ask how Danny Wimmer treats the artists at festivals because most festivals it can be a shit show and not a Danny Wimmer festival.

8:55 Yeah. I mean that's why these festivals are so successful is because he I feel like he knows how to put together a great vest and a good lineup for everybody, and the hospitality is great. It's a fun time. He's and he's done it really easy. Yeah. Yeah, it's very organized and I've only had great experiences, so yeah, I love hearing that. Yeah, we're very thankful and he's doing a great job. It's cool that he makes room for bands from all corners of you know, heavy music, so he'll put on punk bands and all sorts of metal bands, rock bands. I think that's important. You know, it's important that people that high up like that planning all this stuff, are looking out for everybody and trying to give everybody a shot.

9:36 So yeah, and creating a big, happy family between a bunch of genres it doesn't have to be. It makes people and it also makes everybody feel included because I think especially some of the underground scenes, you know, those bands in the past didn't get a lot of those opportunities to play with bands like this on big festivals. It's kind of a European thing. And yeah, I think it's a totally I think it's really cool. He's doing it, very cool. What else do you guys got going on after after Shock that we want to talk about. Well, Victor's birthdays coming up. We're playing nice his hometown, not hometown, his town of residents. I've been playing at an Empire garage November, the day after my birth. Night after his birth. I was I was one day off.

10:17 That's pretty much our last show until you know, the for the foreseeable future. I think maybe in late spring because we were finishing an album that is being recorded right now, so nice trying. To get some new music out. We've we've done quite a lot on a little bit of music and I'm very thankful that we've been able to do that. But we ow, oh the fans and everybody some more tunes to h you know, to listen to, because we've really only put out like I think six songs maybe, which I guess you could qualify as an album. It's worth of songs in some cases maybe like a short album like a yeah, like a mid P you know what I.

10:58 Mean, between a seven's well, yeah, it's like a ten inch. We put out like a ten inch of music. You know, so see if you were like like Rush or Pink Floyd just yeah song. Yeah, we're a quality over quantity band. So we've put out like a mini LP and it's been good to us. But we're trying to get the covers out of the set. We love playing covers, but we're trying to graduate from covers. Well there you go, So we love covers, but what's your favorite cover to play, Well. We only played a couple, so uh, we've been playing a cover by the band Celtic Frost. That's just a really badass song. That one I don't really want to take out of the set because it's so good Lass, But we have a little bit. Yeah, we got a little bit of their influence on our sleeve and all the new stuff, so I think we'll still have them with us at all times with the new material.

11:45 I remember when I that hell Hammer album first came out and I got, yeah. The earlier, earlier Proo Frost. Yeah, that was like that was the most insane shit ever. It's a big influence too on this band was the you know, the early hell Hammer and the groundwork. You know, I love it when we're young enough to where we get to kind of look back and see the trajectory of how it all developed, and you can kind of listen to that early stuff by whether it's hell Hammer or coc Or, and you can kind of see how, you know, they laid the groundwork and maybe at the time it was getting so extreme so quickly that it felt like it was you know, primitive. But there's something about that I think we all love, you know, like the first Battery record. It's like all these bands took that and built on it and made it even crazier.

12:32 But we love the primitive early you know, first swing at extreme music thing, you know. Because everybody sounded different. Like even you take the Big Four or Thrash, they shouldn't all be in the same genre because they don't sound the same type of thing. You know. It's like a lot of bands back then had their own you knew who was who all the time, not always now. I mean, they had that grease back then, man ahead the slime, they had the grease to slime. Yeah, I think, you know, I think what we love about it because we all love rock and roll and old you know, hard rock and stuff, and I think the cool thing about a lot of that early metal is that they were all just listening to rock and roll, and yeah, that's kind of what.

13:16 Don you know. What brought the new way of British heavy metal to happen was hard rock and all that, and then it just started getting more and more aggressive. And I love figuring out what my favorite bands were listening to. What was Slayer Metallica listening to in the early eighties, that made them do that, you know, because that's what I'm interested in. Obviously. We love all those classic metal records, but I want to go back to the roots and kind of try to try to find my own way out of all that stuff, you know what I mean, and like take in you know, Like I said, we're lucky because we get to we get the whole picture, you know, so we can we can take stuff from the really early shit, we can take stuff from the nineties that we like and just try to mix it all up into a fugitive stew.

13:57 And I love it. I love it, And I could tell you where, like because I went to their first show ever and like there was nothing else like his first show, Slayer with the first show and Metallica, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it was bad before that. The heaviest thing was Motley Krue Believe it or. Not, Momley Cruz got some heavy dude. Yeah. Well, I used to see them before they were glam, when they were like horror punk, trying to burn down the roxy to bring satan in. That's when I got hooked on club shows. Hell yeah. So yeah, it comes from a lot of different things. Like Tom he was not even into metal at all. He was into like a lot of classic rock. Jeff was a total punk.

14:40 Lombardo was a punk Kerrie as he always was metal head, So you had that whole mix together that created that new sound. I think that's the difference, exactly having a mix. That's kind of how we are. I'm heavily into classic music and sixties seventies, you know, pop and rock, and you know, like I think everybody's into a lot of diverse stuff. Yeah, I listened to it all, but I come from a hardcore punk background, so it's kind of the same kind of thing, you know. Yeah, totally, he's a punk guy. See I couldn't go to the print shows because I had long hair back then. Yeah, that was what was stupid. He used to be more like that.

15:20 It was total. The cool thing I always say now is that people, I think because of streaming and because of the way things are now, everything's sort of like on the table, Yeah, better or worse. I think for better because it's like everybody can kind of be into everything. Like you can be in the slave I love it better, you can be in and yeah, back I mean. Even fifteen twenty years ago, it was like you were either in the metal or into punk or in the. Rock like it was. You couldn't be like, oh, I like everything, and I thought I would still do that. People wouldn't. If people would, it was way more narrow and they're more niche. Oh yeah, I thought it was stupid, like I couldn't go to the O C shows and seeto so well, like Dead Kennedy, I.

16:01 Can't tell anybody about it, you know. Yeah, I'd get my ass beat if I showed up. Exactly you would get your ass beat. Which having the threat of getting your ass beat, it wasn't the worst thing in the world. Always not so much for what you listen to, but maybe you. Can learn a lot getting your ass whoofed you know what I mean? That's true. True. Well you guys rock. Glad you're here aftershock and thanks for being on the Adventuress. Yeah we'll play at four forty five. I'll be there. Yeah. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Fate Man on w for CUI Radio.