PipemanRadio Interviews Catch Your Breath at Inkcarceration 2025

0:04 Hi, you love done too? Yes, that's true. Why for you? Your incarceration America's rock, metal and tattoo best story. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here with Josh with Catch your Breath Nice here at Incarceration after the storm, Like. Yeah, it's pretty sick. It's been really rainy all day. I'm glad it's not raining right now, though hopefully it doesn't rain for the set. Oh you should have seen last night. That was it bad. Well that's why we're like opening late. Like there's like mud and ponds out there.

0:46 One of our guys from our label takes this and was like, well, hopefully this doesn't rain out like Blue Ridge did that one year. Oh my god, don't did I interview you at Blue Ridge? Because I was there that year. I think you may have. I think I remember it, yeah, but I remember more what I had to deal with there. Man, that was it was just chaos the whole time. This is a dw fist though, so it's gonna go way better exactly. That's the point that one I remember, Like, I live in Florida and they didn't clear out the press tent. But I know the signs when that shit's coming, because. Yeah, you can tell I live it. And I'm like, yeah, this isn't good. And then like five minutes there, everybody get out.

1:27 We all but finished up loading our gear after our set, and then it was just chaos after. That, right, you know the band heartsick. Right, So they had their tent and I'm walking by back to my campsite and I see that they're struggling to keep their tent down that's covering all their equipment. So I went over and help. Four of us were on all four sides hole in town and we all got picked up off the ground. Oh my god. Yeah, and so we're. Like fuck it, and we went to their other ten that was like in something else and we're holding it down and getting pelted by hail. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys weren't at blue Ridge that year, just be thankful.

2:10 Yeah right, it wasn't worth. I wonder which was worse, Blue Ridge or Woodstock ninety nine. I was seven when Woodstock ninety nine happens. I'm sure you've seen like the documentaries in the videos, Like I remember being at Blue Ridge reminded me of that because Woodstock ninety nine they had like shit burning everywhere. But I didn't you die? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And flipping over golf carts like this friend of mine that was doing one of the golf cart taxis, she told me they tried to flip her over. I've heard that that's burning man. Now right, it's in the middle of the desert. There's like no safety net, all these people dehydrating. It just doesn't it doesn't sound like a good idea.

2:53 Yeah. Now look at DWP on the other hand, Okay, all the notifications we got this morning, the opening changing, the time sets, like accommodating everything, oh yeah, and they are always prepared at a time they have a plan. A, B, C, and D like something is rand will when like everything is derailing and everyone's behind. But they're still managing to accommodate everyone, right and make sure that at least the artists nothing change for them. But I do see everyone running around quite frantically, but they're getting the jobs done. Oh no doubt that by the end, by time gates, this place will probably be perfect, you know, because they'll lay down the mold, suck out all the water and yep, and safety that's why the gates aren't open yet.

3:42 You gotta have safety for your people. Yeah, that's the I would think that that's like the main priority for like any festivals, take safety first and foremost. If it's safe, the fun will happen. The bands are bringing the fun, you don't have to worry about that. Worry about it being safe and like make sure that people aren't swimming during the sets roadhilp so that the water pumps and everything. That's a great idea. Yeah, exactly. So I've you played Ink before. I believe this is our first year playing Ink. Wow. Yeah, it's kind of cool. We're gonna play the Shawshank Prison, you know. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do the ghost Hunt later. Oh it's badass too, pretty excited about it. Here's the thing you want to know though, when you do the ghost Hunt, you won't be sure who the characters are in there or the real ghosts, because that it is.

4:29 Haunted for real. Oh really? Yeah, Like there were like people, prisoners tortured and killed in here, and I. Don't think I want to visit that one there. I think I'll go to the whatever that they designated to be the safe zone. I'm cool with that, like a voice here and there, I'll be cool. I don't think I want to be drugged down a hallway. Okay, So a Killer's Confession playing today, Waylon, I've been telling the story all week because it just blows my mind. He records the video in this prison, in one of the torture rooms, and he came out all scratched up, all over his body, like drawing blood, scratched up.

5:11 Yeah, I'm looking forward to this ghost hunt now. Right right, maybe you should like do your set inside there. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna somehow come down with an illness. But before we go on the ghost time. I don't think they'll take you in the torture room though, so you might be good. Thank god, I wouldn't go in if they offered. Right, So tell the listeners who haven't heard you or seen you live, what they can expect a from a live show from you, guys. B How you describe your music, not like boxed into a genre, but us the artist. How you feel your music. Is, man, catch your breath. It's just like a really intensely emotional band where when you come to one of our shows. You're just as much a part of the show as the band and the lights and the sound, everything that's happening. You're an integrated part of our show.

6:06 I love singing along with people. It's high energy, it's lots of emotions, and it's a like camaraderie. We really like to connect, like I mean that now, like a genuine sense, Like we really like to connect with our fans. We're on a little tour right now. Every night, after we get done playing, I go down to the merch table and I shake three hundred hands and I speak to three hundred people. It sets over at like ten fifty. I'm still standing at the table at one thirty. See, I love that. That's so old school too. Yeah, dude, well, I mean like this world is so digital and like we're all connected through the internet, but it doesn't feel right. We're not connected. There's no like human connection with that. So I really like when I can, like when it's when I'm allowed to go out there and really connect with the fans.

6:53 So that's like something that we love to do. That's something that we do while we're on stage where here for the fans, and it's a fan experience when you go see us live. I love that ad dude. As far as like our sound. To be honest, dude, we've never really given a shit about like a genre or like whether or not this song is super heavy or this song is too poppy. If the song feels right, if it gets across what we're trying to say, we're gonna love it every time. And we always go in with the mindset of like we don't want to reinvent the wheel, we don't want to do anything crazy. What we want to go do is write the best songs that we possibly can at that time and make them the best version of what they can be, and make sure that they're trying to that they're at least attempting to convey what we're trying to say, because like.

7:46 On some songs, it's a little complex. So what I'm trying to say, like Savages or something, it's really layered lyrics where like I'm trying to hit a whole bunch of different things, but overall, the energy of Savages and the message is just be pissed off at the leaders because they're fucking everything up. Fuck yes. So that's kind of like the message that we convey with that. I think it comes across in that song, like it's a very high energy, pissed off kind of song. And you get that when you listen to Savages, And we. Need that right now, cause yeah, the whole fucking world of Leaders are a bunch of dickhead dude. We integrated like an AI voice before each one of our songs. Now we wanted to like dramaticize the whole like theatrical performance of like our on stage performance and the AI voice before Savages that I wrote.

8:41 It's going to incite a riot. I don't want it to, and I didn't plan on that, but when we were standing, like when we heard it back, like while we were standing on stage through our in ears, I just thought like, oh fuck, this might be too powerful. Right, my best bro he passed away, Uh, almost two years ago. I hate to hear that. Man, Yeah, thanks, but he was like, we just need to break the whole thing and start over. It's crazy that we're sitting here in twenty twenty five and saying that Rage against the Machine was right in nineteen ninety seven, right, Isn't that crazy? And like I think about like I was very heavy in the scene in the eighties. How the fuck can we write songs in twenty twenty five that would be nineteen eighties songs.

9:29 Right, It's still so relevant. But it's because like people have been saying things throughout history that hey, this is happening, this is privatizing. We shouldn't allow this to privatize. That's bad. If we let that privatize, we shouldn't. Let this go away. I think what it is is it's it's never been like it's been done in like small increments over time, so it's never really that bad when they do it, and then we kind of get used to the bullshit, right, and then they do something else, Well, it's not that bad, and then we get used to that bullshit. They do it again. It's not that bad, it's not that bad. And now they're doing it so quickly that we're like, no, fuck that it is that bad. Yeah, and we hate this, but now are we in like the slope part of it that we can't turn back?

10:16 And like that's why my bro said that. You know, it's like. There's a few stand up comedians that have made comments about what he thinks should happen in order for things to change. Just look it up on the internet. Oh man. And I love what you say about connecting with the oims because again, going back to the eighties, there was no social media, there was no Internet. But like me as a teenager would go to a Slayer show and hang out with them after the show, go to Metallica show, hang out with them, like going to their house and party and see and you become such a loyal fan because you know, it's like you feel like you're part of their family.

10:56 Yeah, and there's like we've started doing like VIP, know and stuff like that, and that's cool. I'm just I'm from like Oklahoma and like a blue collar family. So paying to just like hang out with someone, right, It's kind of a weird concept to me. But like, obviously I can't make every decision where under an LLC there's three owners. And you still have to make a living so you can keep playing. But yeah, then it comes in like other people's livings and life coming to play and you have to think about it. So it's like, Okay, yeah, we have to do VIP, but like even on this run, we're doing VIP, but we're doing like a lot of extra shit in our VIP to make sure that, like it makes sense because after the show, I'm hopping off the stage and I'm going down and I'm signing everything and I'm talking to everyone, I'm taking pictures. I'm not rushing through anything.

11:47 I'm taking my time. So like they're not really paying the meet and they're paying for all the benefits of yeah yeah, other people that meet you don't get. Yeah. So we've decided with our VIPs, like okay, let's like play games. We're playing this game called battle Pong right now. It's like a play on to beer Pong, right but it's a battleship beer pong. Nice. If you haven't heard about this, it's. About that sounds cool though. And I mean you can do water in the cups just to play the game. If you don't drink. It's totally I'm not promoting alcohol drinking. I don't drink, but it's super fun. We've been playing that with the fans, just getting it time to like relax and get in like a college atmosphere. Also with fans, they're getting goodie bags with a whole bunch of like good stuff in it, some sign stuff. We're making sure that we're taking care of them because, like I said, it's just weird now, you know. Because we started off as like a dive bar band. We went like five years of just releasing music with just.

12:43 Me and Teddy in the band Wow. We didn't have any other members in the band, and we were releasing music to try to fill our band out. So we were going to like producers, just writing songs releasing them. We finally found our guys and we were in like the local scene forever. We didn't play that many shows because we didn't ever have a full band. So by the time when we finally got a full band that we stuck with, we started playing shows and we looked out because we had released dial Tone and then started playing local shows. We played two local shows and got signed Wow and Yeah dude. So like we took off from absolutely nothing, had no idea what we were doing, just kind of like thrown in, like, hey, great job, guys, here's a month long tour with like until I.

13:32 Wake, you know, fuck yeah, that's the way it should be. It was sick, and then right after Until I Wake it was a popular monster Wow, and right in front of ten thousand people, dude, So it's. Been that blow your mind. It's been absolutely crazy, dude. Like you even imagine that. Yeah, So, like going from like dudes who barely even played local shows and didn't even like have the etiquette for local shows. It's now going on these national. Tours and hear at incarceration. Yeah, now we're here at incarceration. So like it's been it's been more like weird to adjust on a personal side than it has been like the business side of things, you know, Yeah, the business side of things, we've all been prepared for that, but there is no way to prepare yourself, like emotionally for all.

14:20 Just tell people what it's gonna be. Like, it's different for everyone experience. Yeah, it's different for all of us. Some dudes like are twenty years into their career and still almost throw up before they go on stage every time. Yeah. And then there's dudes who like this is their first fucking show ever. They're opening for some huge band and they're totally cool. Here's a new artist, Kemy Kio coming out and I think her first tour is like with Seether, and she was like totally chill about it, dude, Like, so we were writing some music and she lives out in La and knows our producers. So she came to hang out and she wanted to meet us, and we were hanging out and I was like, so, like, what you got any tours planing or anything. She's like, yeah, I got my first tour planning going out with Seither.

15:04 Like nothing, You're fucking going out with Seither for your first tour. And she was totally cool about it. Just totally cool. If you guys haven't heard about her though, she's cool too. She drums and sings at the same time. That's hard, Cami Kio, check her out. I'm gonna check her out. That's fucking hard. Yeah, to just play drums alone. I played for like nine years and still don't sucked after nine years. The only person, like two people that I knew that did it was a tray You and under Oath. Yeah, and they were both like phenomenal at it. So when she said she drummed and sang at the same time, I was like, I gotta check this out. She's fucking badass, dude. Wow, she's sick. And you know what, I do find most of the women in metal are fucking badasses.

15:50 They really are, dude. I don't know what we weren't thinking in the eighties fucking gatekeeping them because I think they're way bad, more badass than the men in metal, you know, badass An Wilson or Nancy Wilson. Badass, Yeah, man, badass. Dancen's fucking such a great When she walks into her room, people shut up. You know right? How about like Nita Strauss. Nita Strauss another badass? Yeah, I mean, like, I mean. Spirits. Oh my god. I am obsessed with her singing technique. Courtney. Like I sit there, like up front, I'm watching, not watching the show. I'm watching her mouth when she does a scream, and I'm very She's got this thing where it's like she opens her mouth really like big and like it's like I can't even describe it. It's like pac Man or something.

16:42 Yeah, you gotta show the teeth. Yeah, yeah. For some reason it helps with the like the growl portion of. The screen, just to kind of grit the teeth. And I have total respect because I also sang thrash metal way back when, but they didn't teach the right way. Oh you didn't know. I was saying, so you throats and fucked up your throat. Yeah, Like I can play like three shows and then be like, yeah, I can't do the next one, guys exactly, or just go on stage anyways. A lot of those. Guys would here Motorhead come out on stage and he's just You're like, damn, dude, like that sounds like it hurts, And it probably did, dude, probably. I'm sure it did. Listen, my voice is fried from this weekend as you can hear, and my throat fucking hurts.

17:25 Yeah, dude, dude. I'm so happy that I got with Melissa Cross because, like I said, we went straight from local band to nationally touring, so I didn't have like years of like local scene or like small tours to like build up endurance. I just went fucking at it right. And obviously, when you're not used to doing that, you have no idea really what you're doing. You're gonna have some vocal problems. Your voice is gonna blow out, it's gonna hurt some days. I would get sick. And I got with Melissa Cross. And let me tell you something, man, And if you're a vocalist out there that struggles in the least, Melissa Cross will fix you. Wow, she will fix you. Now She's kind of like choosy. She she kind of chooses her client, but she seems like a really fucking sick person.

18:17 Like she's kind of got like a. Hippie vibe to her, and she's really nice, but she's also kind of like a band guy to where she'll catch you off guard, like nah, fuck that dude, don't do that shit, and you're like okay, but and like a cool way, like she's not mean, and you know, I would suggest that anybody get with her because I got with her, and just two days into a run, we're doing an hour and a half every night, and now we're doing incarceration. Today. We've done two days of an hour and a half. Usually by now I would be feeling it. Yeah, don't feel a thing. I'm like, I owe it to Melissa Cross really sitting down with me over a video call. Wow. It was two video calls brother maybe yeah, maybe half an hour each, and she identified the things I was doing wrong and told me how to correct what I was doing. I've been applying those things at home, like rehearsing, dude, night and day. And it was like small things, yeah, small little things. And then like while you're doing her thing, she tells you like, while you're applying my stuff, you're gonna figure out what you have to do to do this, and then you apply your thing.

19:28 And she was fucking spot on, dude. Like while I was learning her thing, I was like, that kind of feels awkward, but if I open my throat like this, it'll feel like it feels really good and I can produce the sound I want. She Mike dropped me and wasn't even there. That's fucking magic. She is a magical I'm like giving so many people love today. I know that you're like the promoter today instead of the band. Dude. This whole industry should just should be like this total. It's not a competition. Just because your band is eating doesn't I mean it's taking table like food off the table of any other band. Do you find me for everybody? Ninety nine percent of fans that love this band love your band too. And it's not a competition. I'm not here to hate on any other band. Everybody's loving what they're doing, and we're supposed to be it's art now, we're supposed to be have anoun.

20:16 Man, Oh, it's expression. If you're not having fun in this business, you're in the wrong business because all the rest of it can be shit. Dude. There's so much of this industry that can wear you the fuck down so fast if you let it. Yeah, you have to focus on like this shit that you really like doing, because like I said, this shit will wear you down if you're not ready for it, or you're just like someone who hangs on to the negative aspects of things. The same for you. Well, you know how it is. You probably get this like aet this too. People look at my socials and they'll be like, Oh, you're living the dream life because that's all you're seeing on the socials. Do you guys have part People probably think that we're in like a fucking like five star hotel right this right now. But it's like, no, we're in a tent outside on like some fake grass sto.

21:06 They were just sucking out sewage behind me exactly. And this is nice, Like where we are, this is like really nice. Compared to yes, like. We've had we've been to other festivals where we're like standing in the middle of a field, you know, and like in the sun. Hottish shit, it's like one hundred and four degrees. You're in the middle of a field doing an interview like this is nice, it's actually really nice. But it's not. It's not like always glamorous. Like what you see on stage as planned, guys, Like that's all planned. What you see in front of a camera. Ninety percent of the time, that's planned. A lot of our job is hurry up and wait. Right, yeah, hurry up and wait, sit in some concrete, undescript room. And the numerous things that can go wrong that you don't anticipate.

21:50 Dude, it's funny you mentioned that because during rehearsals for this, our fuel pump on our tour bus went out. Oh fuck. So we had a photo shoot with Aaron Marsh lined up in Atlanta, but we couldn't drive there because of our bus, so we had to leave all of our gear in Texas. We had to fly to Atlanta, do the photo shoot, rent a car, drive to Alabama, and have our driver get our trailer with a rental van for the tour drive our stuff. He had to get the van from Tennessee, go get a trailer and like load the trailer and drive our stuff to Alabama to meet us for the first show.

22:31 Wow. So like that's just like that's normal. That wasn't a stress, that's that's not even a bad day. Yeah, No, A bad day is like, oh, like our cab got rained on. Well, oh that's God knows how much money our rack got rained on. Oh my god. Imagine like, oh, we left our wireless units out off in the rain. We were at a you know, I'm not going to say the name of the festival. I'm not going to say the name of the festival because I don't want to get in trouble or get them in trouble. But we were in Texas, right, yeah, and it. Had started raining during the festival, and the hands were just nowhere, no tarps, just guitars getting rained on, whole units, like rig units getting rained on, like face plates getting rained on back of the rigs getting rained on. Things are getting ruined. There's like two inches of water in some spots. There's those gun cases that people use to carry like their wireless mics and stuff.

23:35 They're underwater wow in some spots. And then like thirty minutes later, after the rain had stopped, the cruise show up with tarps to tarp our stuff. Oh that helps, And I was like, just don't at this point, you know, like there's no point the gear's done. Yeah, cooked. Like luckily we have like waterproof like just in cases, and we had all our stuff like locked up, so just our shells got rained on. So that's whatever they're meant to kind of take kind of that stuff. But not every other band was that lucky because some of the. Bands weren't at the stage. They weren't playing for another three or four hours and it just started rain and got delayed more. They didn't know that their stuff was set on the stage without tarts on it, and that's something that happens. So now you get on stage, your laptop got rained on, you have no tracks, you have no click track. You played to a click track if you played the track. Some guys don't, that's fine. But even if you didn't have a laptop, your guitar cabs got rained on. Your guitars got rained on, your MIC's got rained on. All of this shit that costs tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah, just ruined right there. And it's kind of like they shrugged their shoulders like, sorry, man, I hope you have insurance on your stuff.

24:47 Yeah, they don't give a fuck. Yeah, And if you don't have insurance. That's fucking all out of pocket, dude. Yeah, Dammy Wimmer really does give a shit. Like for fifteen years doing his festivals, never heard an artist. Complain about anything about Danny Webber. I've never once had any problem with Danny Wimmer. I love all of his festivals. The only festivals I've ever had a problem with are non Danny Danny WI festivals. Like, like, legitimately, I love and everything Danny Wimmer does is amazing. I wish I wish some things other things would have worked out, like where Danny Wimmer would have gotten it, But I kind of get why people were opposed to it because he does. At exact you're talking.

25:29 Yeah, you know what I'm talking. I don't want to, like, you know, start up the whole thing, But like, I wish he would have gotten a hold of that because I think it would have been so sick dude. But I get why he didn't. And with what you're talking about, I know from my end of the biz that nobody's really doing anything right now. Yeah, it's not like it's not going it's like. I don't even know if he'll go down this year. That's something I think that should be just gust is like we'll get my hair off here. Is like I get the whole like people talking about monopolization and stuff, but if we all come together and we agree that like this person's doing it really well, he pays the bands really well, the fans are safe, everything is like playing, So well, why not let him grab that too, because that's such a big part of this culture. Yeah, and went away that if he were to get a hold of it, he could bring.

26:30 All that culture right back, and he's bring it. Back in a better way than it was because I know it wasn't the best before. Well here's what I know too from my end is that before there were basically it was like the wild wild West. Yeah, and you can't really have that with safety concerns and artists privacy and like I would see just general mission people walking around backstage. Yeah, yeah, no, you can't have that. It's really for the fans safety, yes, right, because they don't know what areas are dangerous of what areas aren't, where they can go, where they can't go, and it can create a lot of like controversy and like confusion, and people can end up getting hurt if they're in the wrong spots and they don't know that they're not supposed to be there. So, like fans, sneaking backstage is actually a safety concern totally, not only for the fan but for the bands too, because we don't know who this person is and why they're back here. And in twenty twenty five, that's a scary situation to be in, especially with large groups of people and stuff.

27:36 Okay, what happened with Dime, Yeah, exactly, dude, And that wasn't backstage, but it just shows there could. Be somebody like that that goes backstage. Yeah, that's why, dude. There is so much like police presence here and bomb dogs dude, like everything, Dude, it's did you not spers. Like that? If you go out there, you'll see a big white tent, the snipers. Are up, dude, Like, I feel so safe, man, Right. The only other time, like on a tour that it was this safe was the Falling Reverse tour. Ronnie had a lot of police presence, There's a lot of security. They swept with bomb dogs. It was just like how DW has ran And I wonder if like maybe Ronnie formed his tours to kind of work like a dw Fiss because it feels really.

28:27 Similar, probably, and people give him a lie of hate. I give him a lie credit for doing that. Number one. See, this is what we're talking about now. They're sucking sewage during the interview. We're getting some sewage sucking right now. They'll be done soon. And I know people that work for him and say he treats an employ everybody, every single employee in the camp like great, yeah. Dude, Like we showed up and like so Ronnie is like intertwined in absolutely everything. When he says that like all of this stuff is from his head and like he's in control, he absolutely is right. And but when we showed up the first day, there was a bottle of champagne. And I think you note that he wrote personally for us coming to the tour because he knew he would be too busy, like especially day one to come say anything. And it turned out he was like that busy every day.

29:19 Wow. So he's he works hard, but he's like a really professional guy. I saw. I've seen him talking to his crew multiple times. Super respectful guy. I have seen smaller bands that preach being nice all the time and camaraderie and brotherhood be absolute shit. Bags to their crew. I've seen it, and it's kind of funny that, like some of the guys that play a character or or have a personality online behind the scenes are like the nicest fucking guys in the world. It's a role you're playing when you're on stage, when you're on the mic. Even with me, it's like people confuse my radio personality with my real personality.

30:08 Yeah, dude. It's kind of funny sometimes because it's like, come on, now, I'm playing a role. I walk around that's polished all the time. Or leave it even shit I do on my radio show. They're like, I have people I've known my whole life. They're like, what happened to you? Used to be so nice and now you're like kind of a player and blah blah blah and shit. You mean I'm a human and I have emotions, right. Or maybe I'm paying playing a role on the radio. You know, it's called entertainment. I'm trying to entertain people. Yeah, it's an entertainment business, right, And that's what people have to understand about it is it's a business. When you're like the local dude, that's like, oh no, it's art, and then you like get into and you're like, oh, it's majority, it's business and it's a very little bit of art. Then your eyes kind of get open to like why things were the way they work. There's a lot going on here, and there's a lot of lives that this shit touches, dude, and there's so much to it that I don't even know all of it still, right, you know, I just know like this guy has a badge and he's probably doing something important, you.

31:14 Know, right exactly. There you go, that's got kind of how you figure it out. Totally. Tell everybody, your socials, your web how they can buy your merch because bands don't survive without merch, So they can't listen to my show if they don't buy your merch. Yeah, so guys, we are Catch your Breath. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, any social media platform is Catch your Breath t X. Our merch will be at thriller dot com, I believe, and you'll can find that over at King's Road or Merch. They also have our merch. Also, we have a new song coming out soon. We are working on album number two nice. We already have three written songs one of them is going to be coming out hopefully in August or September, and we will be playing it tonight at Incarceration is called Dark. Be on the lookout for that, guys. Other than that, thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you for having me bro.

32:08 This was super cool. Oh my pleasure too. And it's like normally at these festivals, I don't even do an interview that's long because you have a time schedule. I have a time schedule. Wait, your fucking interview is why we're here longer, because it's just so real and different. It's not the same bullshit of blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And that's why I like doing conversations so we could hear what you're really passionate. Will you make it easy brother? Hey, you made it easy too, And we'll see it here at INK in a couple hours. One o'clock main stage. Yes. And Louder than life too, right you probably?

32:49 Yeahude, louder than life. I can't wait. I will see you there too, So thanks a lot for being here and thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. Hey, thank you so much. Mine. We'll see you next time. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemen on w for c u I Radio.