PipemanRadio Interviews BabyChaos

0:04 Hey, you love than too? Is sus sure? I'm for see why for you Wake up of America. It's time for the Adventures of pipe Man on W four cydi com West pom Beats, his number one internet radio station. Here's your host, the pipe Man. It's so much better to be cause than Tupoo caust. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm super excited about this next guest for a few reasons. One is, she's a badass. Okay.

0:59 I like, the minute I was listening to in music, I'm like, oh, my freaking god. And I was in the publicists, you know, sentenceime like oh I have to interview her because she's a badass musically and artistically and everything. But then it was super funny because the publicists like, oh, she'll come to your studio and I'm like, well, where's she at? Well, you better tell her. It's like three and a half hours away, so it'll be like seven hour round trip for a ten to fifteen minute interview. And then I find out she's cool as crap because she wouldn't have even mind doing that. And for those of you here in South Florida. You know that nobody wants to drive ten minutes, so kudos to her, and we're going to bring her on the show. So welcome to the Adventures of pipe Man Baby Chaos. How are you. Thank you so very much for having me. Thank you so so much. I am psyched to be here. Oh I'm psyched to have you here and listen. You know, I was watching your video for your new song, and I mean, like, it was just amazing. I don't even know what else I could say it, Like the sound, the artistry. I love your voice when it has that, like you know, Gothy, you know, clean voice, but then the brutal voice. And I always love when women do

2:29 that, because I think women in metal have way more brutal voices than men. There's something about that feminine rage. It's crazy. I don't even know how I produced that noise. It's it's so funny how it happened. I recorded it in my room. But I mean, thank you so very much for the praise on that. Everyone totally killed it, from everyone who's in the video of the band, Joey the director, and Rico who wrote it with me. Everyone totally knocked it out of the park. It was insane. I'm so very proud of it. Oh you definitely did knock it out of a park, and you know it's funny. I also always say I think it has to do that with passion, because I don't I don't understand why, and this is a man saying it. Why Men have always been gatekeepers of this genre because it's a genre based on passion and emotion, and yet women are way more passionate and emotional than we are. For usually, I can't really speak for anybody else, but I know for me personally, I think that a good song with a message that people can resonate with, whether it be a good or a bad thing, because unfortunately, sometimes pain is the thing that brings people together. But I think good music you can really, you can really feel someone's authenticity from a mile away, and if

4:02 someone is being disingenuous when it comes to writing music or has like ulterior motives, you can you can sell that from a mile away. Anyone can. So I think there's just something really special about being able to rip myself open in that way, so to say, as an artist, and really bear that side of myself because I felt like I hadn't been able to do that because there's so much stuff that I've had to process in the last year, and I guess that's just my way to do it. Yeah, And you know what, it is true because music is the best therapy, both for the artists and the and the listener. And you know, yeah, I was reading about that that I think this past year, you you like got it all out your system in music, right, Yeah, I'm still going through it. It never stops, does it. But I mean that's that's the cool thing. It's like, since I was a kid, that was like my my numb umber one coping mechanism was just to write it out always, always, and whether it was, you know, objectively good or bad, it didn't even matter because it was just out of my system. I was also big on just like singing it out, whether it was my own stuff or not, whether it was like you know, put on the Going Under instrumental by Evan Essence, find it on YouTube. Just belt it out.

5:19 That's the best thing for me. Yeah. I think if you can sing Amy Lee, you're you're pretty good, because most people can't. I love her. She was like and like that record Fallen was kind of the way I taught myself how to sing when I was a kid. It was like my mom got me his video camera when I was like nine, I want to say, it was like for Christmas, right, and I would record myself and I print out the lyric sheet. I'm gonna use Going Under as an example because that was like my favorite one. So I'd print out the lyric sheet to Going Under. And how I taught myself how to sing was recording myself and then writing little notes on the lyrics, like push harder on this note, or add vibrato to like this note, and so on.

6:04 And that was how I taught myself how to do it. Wow, that that's pretty killer because and I'll tell you a funny secret. Used to be a joke in the station here because I always used to talk about on my show, the love of my life was Amy Lee. Yeah, she's the love of everyone's life. It's amazing. Well, she's the perfect combo of everything, like she's like the goth queen, but she's also classy on top of it too. And that voice like there's nothing that really kit is my weakness, like a voice who said sirens aren't real. Amy Lee's right here there. You go absolute. So tell us about Guilty Hands. I bleed, Guilty Hands, I lead, what part about it, whatever part you as the artists want to tell the listeners about it. It is a story that I never felt like I would be able to process and never be able to get out, because sometimes all of us we have our like pain threshold with things that we experience and things that we can and can't deal with.

7:23 And there was something that I went through at one point that I really was not able to process. And when I was finally able to, I contacted. I got in contact with Enrico, who produced and wrote it with me, and I kind of had a vision in my head already of what I wanted the song to sound like and how I really wanted that build up to happen with the big scream because I had never screamed on a song before. I never screamed before in general. That was like, hands down, the first time I had ever thought to do something like that. But it was one of those things it just felt like the right time for something to happen. I was and happy with like anything in my life and where it was going. So sometimes things need a little bit of a redirection and sometimes the thing that you've been avoiding or putting down is the one thing that needs to be acknowledged because it's going to pop up in other areas of your life the longer you look away from it. Oh so true. And that's why I think songs are the best therapy because especially for an artists, because this is a way to get it out, like a guy, get it out, and sometimes people don't have an outlet to get it out, or they don't know how to get it out. And that's like I think of perfect example I think of is bring Me the Horizon. Like every song that Ali writes, you can totally tell it's for him, it's his thoughts, it's his stuff. Like one of my favorite songs he wrote while he was in

8:54 rehab, which totally tells you he was working through stuff, you know, And and then people can relate to it, not because they're going through the exact same thing, but because they can put their own meaning to it. And to me, that's a true songwriter that writes for themselves. But then other people are able to put their own feeling and meaning to it, and I think that's what you do. Of course, Yeah, what song was that? Like? I'm curious, can you feel my heart? Really? Yep. So when my favorite lyrics of all time, okay, that I just think is brilliant is I can't drown my demons they know how to swim.

9:41 That's awesome. That was totally in rehab that he wrote that specific lyric for sure, and those gut wrenching one liners that really hit me sometimes out like that, no doubt, And I always find like, like all of his lyric ras are just so real and yeah, so I'm bringing them up because I relate that to you, because I think you guys are like on the same wavelength in that realm, and that's what makes you a great artist. That is a huge compliment, So thank you so very much first off. And yeah, absolutely, I haven't been in the extent of like writing somewhere else like will getting help, but I've been very much so like in my room, very very isolated doing that. I never really liked the trope of like the tortured artist thing with like the you know you're not doing well and then something kind of suddenly shifts because I like to do things more in retrospect more when I'm like doing well, my therapist is telling me that she was like, you don't have to like keep hurting, you know that, right, Like you don't have to keep hurting to create. And that's true, that's true. But sometimes it's necessary for me to work it out more in the moment so that I can get to the next step to work on it a little bit more retroactively when we get to like the production and all that stuff, the visuals, adada. But it's very important for me to

11:13 work it out in the moment to be able to do that, and then I get to do it all over again whenever I get on stage. It's very very excited for that feeling. So you know what, I've never asked an artists that maybe I'll ask you, And based on what you said is, you know, you write a song. Let's say it's a year ago, five years, ten years, whatever it is, and it doesn't really apply to your life anymore. And the reason I'm asking you is because you do it in retrospect, how does the song hit you when you do it live later, when it's not so prominent in your heart or your mind, It hits in a really different way because it's not in so much like a stab to the heart but more so like a stab to like an outer layer that has formed once it's initially healed. So it's kind of a feeling.

12:07 Oh my god, that sounded so like I don't know, it sounded goofy when I said it out loud, but I thought it sounded like a great explanation, you know, because we built was it? We say, we build up these walls or hard outer shell and so yeah, it's like you've built that shell that now that's where it's hitting instead of the source of the pain. Yeah, exactly. And my first song Flesh was in a very similar vein. It was written in a very similar vein to how I wrote Guilty Hands. It was about something that I went through, didn't ever process it until years and years later, and then I wrote about it. And I'm really lucky that, you know, it resonated with so many people, although I'm also sorry if that, you know, happened to anybody else or anyone else went through that feeling. So I would never wish that upon another human being. But you know, I'm glad that it brought a lot of people together, and I've had people say that it has helped them or gave them a little bit of empowerment or energy to just push through something, which is awesome. I love that, But it was written in such a similar vein to where I feel like performing Guilty Hands live would feel similar to how Flash feels, because it's like kind of standing, you know, still being here and able to do this now, not thinking I would have been able to at a certain point in time. That's pretty amazing. And what's even

13:39 more amazing too, is to blow your mind that you amassed like two million streams from Flesh and then you end up the Metal Artists of the Year of two thousand and two at the Boston Music Awards, Like that's insane. That was insane. I remember being told that, like as an artist who doesn't have them out had doesn't have an album and doesn't have I didn't ever play a show at that time. I've played like one since then, But at the time I had like five songs out Flush being one of them, and to know that it reached as far as it did is just so cool to me. And it's still climbing over two million now, which is like nuts.

14:24 And think of all the people you're helping with your words, that we're helping you they're now helping other people. Sometimes that's the only thing that keeps me going. I think that's probably a lot of time for a lot of the artists, right, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I really like getting to talk about it in person with people too. That's a really nice feeling because I mean through you know, direct messages or online is one thing, and it's amazing, but like in person and that real life connection with something is it's something else. Especially because I'm very anxious in person, I get I get real, real awkward. I started saying it's a weird shit, and I just get so nervous. But I don't know, it's a completely different feeling to look someone in the eyes and to hear that that's really really cool.

15:13 It's like I see a little part of myself. I love it. And so let's talk about where you're from too, because like every Goth person I know, they're like goal in life is to go to Salem, and yet that's where you're from. That's pretty cool. Yeah, my home town. I was telling someone recently, you know, like, what's really funny, So in Florida, there's definitely a good amount of people who look like me in Florida, but it's not super duper commonplace, right, you know, living in like southwest Florida at least, that's not common. So back here and say I'm here right now in Salem, so I look really basic back home, Like people don't really look twice at me in that way.

15:58 I used to joke like, oh my god, yeah, no, no one has eyebrows here. There's someone who, like I know, who had never been and I'm like, yeah, that no one has eyebrows here. They just they're all goths. It's cool. It's not everyone, but like I'm considered pretty basic, which is so funny. That is pretty funny because I've seen on my platforms like step up when I go downtown right because I look at you and you're definitely not basic, and you know, it is funny how people react because like I had for several years, my hair was blue. I just got riv a few months ago, and it would be so funny. We talked about my studios in Wellington, so you have all these bougie people, and then I was a trustee in the chamber, so I was around all the boogie professional people and I would have people caught them up to me at these chamber meetings which are professional business means like lawyers and real like who you would think are these real stick in the MUDs and they're like, oh man, I wish I had the courage to do that, but you know, your radio your hair should be like that, you know, and it's like, you know, it's kind of cool because I always joked about, you know, when you're eighteen and you have blue hair, you're derelic. When you're an adult with blue hair, you're fashionable. I love it. Yeah, And so let's also talk about you're gonna have the

17:29 debut album coming out, and also your socials because you're preactive on social I checked out your TikTok, and TikTok's are always fun. So I'd like to have ask artists that are active in TikTok, what's the craziest TikTok you've done. I think the craziest TikTok that I've done it could have been showing my driver's license from when I first got my license when I was sixteen to my license, not my current current ones. I just got a Florida one, but my last Massachusetts one because I look very different because I lost a lot of weight and I got a little bit a little filler and I like dyed my hair different. But people went bunkers when they saw how different I looked, and there were all these weird accusations about different surgeries that I allegedly got in Da Da Da, But the truth of it was like I just really took charge of my life. Yeah, there was definitely cosmetic enhancement. I'll never ever lie about that or omit anything. I will tell anyone straight up what I've had done, because there's no need to hide anything like that.

18:36 But people were really really going crazy over the fact that I just looked different, and people were really upset about it for a while, which was kind of funny to me. I would say maybe that, well, you know what's funny, people are upset now dad blue hair like I did download last month, and artists that I know that either I was airbuwing or just out with them, they're like, I didn't recognize yet first. God, that's so funny. I love being able to like totally shed myself and be unrecognizable. A couple of months later, I was joke that I have like a ninety day rebrand, so I just added these like red highlights into my hair. So now I am in my red and black era, so my nails are black and red, my new bag everything, I love it. See, I'm the same way too. I change it up and keep people guessing.

19:26 Every time I would. I was like a publicity who. Every time I would get my hair done, I would post all these pictures getting my hair done, and people will be waiting to see what color my hair would be, because I did pretty much every color. And then like before the pandemic, I had a foe hawk with blue and black. And then during the pandemic, I wasn't going to salon, so I just let grow out. So then I had like this long ponytail and the blue underneath. And then I've had red, I've had lavender, I've had pretty much almost every color. Blue became yeah, and blue became like my trademark on the radio, like all the artists knew me that way, and I would go to the festivals, I'm like, look for the dude with the blue hair, you know, right, yeah? And you know, I like change it up because I get bored with it, Like why look the same your whole life? Like I know people look the same in their whole life, and it's like, hmm, now, different stages of life, different things, you know, into different things, change it up, you know, be fresh. That's my viewpoint. It's amazing. Keep everyone guessing. Oh, I love it. I love it when every time I go to the salon, you know there, people are like, what color is it gonna be?

20:40 Now? I happen to I go for like a blowout, you know, usually every couple of months, maybe once a month, and I think it's been a different color every single time I go, and they're just not even surprised at this point. I love that. That's so cool. And so how how much? Speaking of those licenses, So how about people you knew back when you got your license if they haven't seen you since then and they see you in real life now, I think they wouldn't even know who I was, because okay, listen, this is crazy. So I think a lot of people went through an emo phase or a goth phase per se, and it was you know, a couple years of their life. I had the exact opposit. So here's my thing. When I was like ten, I started dressing more or less the way that I do died my I have naturally like red hair died it all black. It was like down in my hopes. Guess who inspired that? Amy of course, inevitably she was the first artist. First band I ever saw was eban Escence in Tampa when I was ten. And yeah, so I had my normy phase when I was sixteen seventeen, and I dyed my hair back to its natural color and I wore like sweatpants and tanktops every single day. This was my getting my life back together era. And I think if someone saw me now, and they hadn't seen me since maybe twenty eighteen, I don't think they would know

22:11 who I was. I worked at Starbucks at the time too, by the way, so like if someone who maybe worked with me or something, they probably wouldn't know who I was at all. They'd be like, damn, who's that freak? I love it because I go through that too, you know, Like I've had the different stages, and you know, it's like you have these people you associate during those stages with that that's all they know. They know that era of your life, and that's crazy. It is. It's wild because it's like I've had long hair, I've had short hair, I've added all different ways and It's like, I know people that couldn't imagine me with short hair, and I know people that couldn't imagine me with long hair. Yeah, it's so funny. My profile picture on Skype is actually from said NORMI fave. I was like, very very tan. I'm Italian, so I do tan very dark when I want to. But the sun and I have a love hate relationship and we're currently on the ladder.

23:14 I had brown hair, I wore like no makeup. It's so silly. But here I am now no eyebrows, red and black hair. Back to square one. Well, there you go, and but you rock it no matter what the look is. And there's one thing that I read that I absolutely loved about you, and that how you were described and you were described as the intersect you live at the intersection of hunting music and bewitching art, a great, great description. I think you'll have to give Selena kudos. I think she wrote that. Yeah, of course, thank you, Selena, And I do think it's true. It like that is the perfect explanation or description of you. I love it. So let's tell everybody how they can connect you on socials on the web, get your music, check out your tiktoks all that stuff. All of my social media are just at its baby chaos. So there's the it's in it well, of course, because you're the only one, of course, But yep, that's all my social media being Instagram, TikTok, Twitter or now X. Actually it's going to take a while to adjust to think. I was just texting my bro last night, like, I'm like, I don't like this X thing. It's

24:45 stupid. It's silly. It's silly. It's like, I just don't know if it was necessary. But it's funny to see such an end of an era, to be around for it and have to adjust my lingo when talking about it because they're not tweets anymore. I don't know what they are. But I don't even what would it be with X. I don't like. That's why I think it's stupid. That's why I think it was stupid, because like, the whole thing of sending a tweet. But listen, Twitter and tweet is now hanging out with my space. Yep. But hey, my Space is cool. My Space era big influence for me. I think it's great. But that's all my social media and music is just baby chaos.

25:30 And I think, you know funny, speaking of my space, I think TikTok is today's era of my Space, and only in the respect of is my space was always good for artists, you know, and to showcase their music. And I find that a lot with TikTok. How many and yourself included, but how many artists like got notice from TikTok and never even played a live show. That's literally me, right, That's such a thing to me. I think it's way cool because you know, everybody talks about the good and the bad of today's music, but I think stuff like that maybe somebody like you or a Jeris Johnson or somebody like that may have never been ever known or or music ever heard if there wasn't a TikTok exactly.

26:23 I didn't know anybody prior to releasing Flesh, so I didn't have anybody helping me push it except for myself and the audience that I had already built up with the intention of doing music the whole time. By the way, you know, I've built my image and what people associate me with around the music I was going to create because so much of it was already written, because I just would sit in my room and do it. And I recorded flesh in my kitchen and they're not the exact headphones and I'm using now, but they're like the same kind, the ones, like the little wired ones with the microphone on the right ear. Nice. Yeah, So that's like how I did it. I love it. Well, it came out good.

27:06 And man, your music is great. Everybody's got to check it out and check you out, follow you, or they can't listen to my radio show anymore. And and do you have a final words you want to leave our listeners with that we haven't covered a rate that they should know about you, Just that I have so much love in my heart for everybody. You know, I always so much of my music and my image is associated with things like revenge and you know, dark stuff. But I'm very, very full of love, and I'm so thankful to everybody here and to those who listen and keep up with me. I think it's the coolest thing ever and I feel really lucky. So I just want to say thank you. That's literally the only words that come into my head. Well, I love what you just said there, because listen, whether it's metal, industrial or goth there's such a misconception about people, like whether it's the artist or the people that are into it. Like, so I love that you said that, because you know, you've got those people out there that they have this like kind of image of what you are because of who you present yourself on stage or in your music or in stuff, and you know, they just don't realize what's really in the heart of a metal head or a goth And you nailed it. You nailed it for me. Yeah, I think it's for everybody,

28:37 Like we're one big family. We just there are no outcasts. You know, everybody's included and everybody's loved, and that's what's cool. Of course, everyone is welcome here, no matter anything, no matter anything, everyone's welcome here with me, and I would hope with the whole community. Well, you're definitely welcome here. Ain't time on the Adventures of pipe Man, and I thank you for being here, Thank you so very much for having me ahead of blast anytime. You're always welcome back, and thanks for the great music and I look forward to a lot more of it. Thank you, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man. I'm w four CUI Radio