PipemanRadio Interviews Andrew Hagar

0:00 Hey, you love them too. That's your I'm I'm four see why for you. Wake up America. It's time for the Adventures of Whiteman on W four C Why dot com. West pom Beach is number one Internet radio station. Here's your host, the white Man. There is just you listens, can see your living this guys shot by time. It's a white Man here on the Avenger white Man W FOURCY Radio. And I'm here with our next guest, who not only is cool, but have some cool music that we're going to talk about and probably some stories too. So let's welcome to issue.

1:14 Andrew Haygar. How are you. I'm feeling great. How are you doing. I'm doing phenomenal, you know, down here in South Florida where it's not sunny South Florida, it's raining all the time, hurricanes, tornadoes, all that good stuff. But you know, listen, it's it's a beautiful thing. We're absolutely we're alive and kicking and partying in South Florida, at least for now. So yeah, I want to start off just by talking about you got this amazing new single out. I don't know. I was listening to it and it's it's a pretty badass. Thank you. So tell us a little bit about Systematic Minds. Well, it's just Minds is the first song that I wrote with my producer and co writer Trevor Lucas third back in December of twenty twenty, and it kind of happened suddenly and out of nowhere, very out of the blue. But it started a creative partnership that I'm very proud of and I can't wait to present people with more than music. Later this month. We got the first EP coming out in late June called Limited Edition Psycho and Systematic Minds is probably my favorite, if not one of my favorite tracks that we did. Nice and so, how would you describe to the listeners not from a genre because I hate genres, it just boxes people in. I like a better one music. It has no genre, it's just, you know, whatever the artist feels. So how

2:46 would you describe your music? And I want you to do that also because I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that will think, oh, it must sound like his father, and I'm sure that you want to be your own person, just like the rest of us. Yeah. Absolutely, I think the song takes a lot of cues from you. Know, my different musical influences, Trev's different musical influences, and you can hear a lot of that in there and the song. You know, I love a lot of nineties alternative music. I grew up on that, obviously, Trev grew up on more kind of anthemic stadium rock, and so we met in the middle. The song's got some really cool psychedelic kind of like David gilmoorish vibes to it. It's got some big, like def Leopard kind of drums, the anthemic hooks all throughout the song. Lyrically, melodies are you know, really kind of hookie as well. I jokingly called Trev Doctor Hook because he's always got a lot of really good stuff going into the track. Everything is a little hook, and you know, my specialty is more like lyrics and melody. And yeah, I'm really happy with how this turned out. It's got that kind of nineties alternative vibe, a little psychedelic vibes, and definitely a lot of the stadium rock kind of stuff. Well, that's why I was digging about it, because I find that nowadays there's so many microgenres and subgenres that lot music is like categorize there and has to sound exactly like that.

4:18 So I'm I'm into the blending of genres to make a unique sound, something that hasn't been done before, or at least not done to death. And that's what I heard in your music. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I mean, it's it's really hard to be original these days. People are being fed a steady diet of nostalgia. Yes, and on top of that, you know, you've got everybody kind of using the same sounds in all these different you know, production softwares now, so music tends to sound very similar when people are creating it, you know, either on a laptop or you know, in the studio using weve and all this other stuff. So I don't know, man, I think that, you know, really making something original is much more difficult than it would seem.

5:09 As they say, everything under the sun has been done correct, So it's so true. And I'm gonna tell you about meme. I don't know if you ever saw it. That's gonna go right to what you said. So there's this meme as picture on top, picture on the bottom. Picture on top says eighties rock star and it's got this guy lying on the ground with his guitars one hand and a bottle of jack in the other hand. It should have been your dad's tequila actually, but you know, we'll stick with the JD. And then the bottom picture is this dude sitting with the guitar as lap typing away on the computer. And that's today, that's today's rock star. And it's so true what you said, because it's like I was just talk about this in the last interview. Even within the same genre, band's never sounded the same. But nowadays it seems like every genre has this algebraic equation that they plug in to make music, and it's like, oh my god, where's the creativity. Yeah, I think back in the day, you know, record execs and tastemakers were willing to take a lot more chances. There were people who came from other disparate industries and they didn't really necessarily know a lot about the music. They just knew what felt good, what they thought having to take risks on new artists, whereas these days it's,

6:41 you know, the market's so oversaturated, it's so much more difficult to make money on the you know, executive side of things, so they really just feed people a steady diet of the same sounding artist because they know what works and they know what's going to get people interested. You know. But it's such at the detriment of all of our musical experiences and help because we have to sit here and listen to just copycat art assault. I know, right, it's like, oh my god, so that's what like I was, I was listening to your song. I'm like, oh, it's refreshing. I don't know what's coming next. You know, that's the highest compliment. Well good because it is a high compliment because it is funny. I could like predict stuff now, you know, even going to live shows because I do radio coverage at all the major music festivals and I kind of live shows, and it's like I can predict what the dude's gonna say on stage.

7:41 It's not even it's not even the music. I could predict what he's gonna say, why he's gonna move his hand, And I'm like, man, it wasn't like that back in the eighties, And it wasn't like that. Yeah, we didn't have YouTube and all these other things that we could kind of reference. Like, we have a wealth of information, our fingertips, but just the way that you know, the algorithm feeds us, everybody's kind of getting the same information in their little echo chambers. So it's funny, like everybody feels like they have a very unique, kind of rugged individualist perspective on things, but they're all getting fed the same diet of images and audio clips and news bites, and you know, everybody's opinion to some extent is kind of curated. You know, it's not their own. So you know, you get these guys that are up there on stage, they've watched the same like big three or four bands perform. They have all of their little mannerisms, all their licks, all that stuff. It's very hard to forge a unique identity in today's landscape. That's right, Well, you've done it effectively. And I think it's even cooler because you know, you come from rock royalty and you're you're doing your own thing with your own creativity, and it's authentic. You know, like if it weren't for the name and I listen to your music, I wouldn't know it came from anywhere except yourself.

9:09 And that's what it should be. Much that means a lot. It's it's like I said, it's very difficult to forge your own identity and to even discover what is authentic for yourself. That requires a tremendous amount of work and trial and error and experience. And yeah, it's it's not an easy path to forge, you know, no doubt. And Okay, So I do want to talk about this docuseries where you know you're in. I saw the trailer for it, and I mean, I'm like, that's pretty cool, because it is kind of cool to see, you know, parents and their kids are in the same industry, but then see how they're or not in the same industry, and see how they really interact, because you know, we don't know what it's like to live like that, you know, I think about I would I would watch Aussie and Jack and I'd be like, you know, what would be really like to be Aussie's kid? That would be weird? And I love Aussie. Yeah, I'm like, man, that might be kind of weird. But then you kind of find and when you see stuff like that, you're like, oh, it's it's kind of normal actually, And that's that's what I dig about it. I want to see the I want people to know the normal side of it because they think it's all abnormal. Yeah. I mean, we have a strange culture of celebrity worship where we put people on pedestals and you think that they're, you know, like these demigods. And obviously, as I like to say, everybody birthshits and starts, even celebrities, you know what I mean.

10:43 So that's right. It's like growing up as a kid, I didn't know, you know, any better. I didn't know that my dad was was quote unquote different, that people were like, you know, worshiping him as a rock god. And was that old thing that the first crisis of state for a child is when you realize that your parents aren't infallible, right, And I realized it pretty early when my parents were going through a rough divorce. I was about seven years old, so you know, I got a very early lesson and you know, the poison nature of same. Yeah, and you know, we touch on that a little bit in the show. A couple of my friends that have seen it were like, bro, I love the fact that it was you on there. It was my friend.

11:24 It wasn't like, you know, someone trying to pretend to be some big rock star or something. I don't even mentioned that on the show. I just I seemed like very like like done with it, Like I wasn't like I wasn't trying to be there, you know, which is not true at all. I really enjoyed the process of it. But unlike a lot of other folks out there, I never really searched for fame, as if you know, being known wasn't a part of being a musician, like I would be some faithless entity that just makes music. And I thought about it a lot of times, how you know, like Flip Knott did it. Now you've got you know, bands like sleep Token where you just really don't know anything about them at all. You know. I really admire what those people are doing because it's really hard to get anywhere with ann amenity in this business.

12:16 You kind of just have to, you know, steamroll forward. It's it's very difficult to tour right now, and touring historically has been like the way to kind of push through and get yourself in front of people. So for people that don't have like a quote unquote like identity or persona for other people to latch on on social media, it's it's difficult. So I really admire people who kind of have this nameless, faceless idea about them. It's something really cool. The mystique isn't there anymore for most musicians, but some people have figured out a way to cultivate that. You know what's so funny. I love what you said, but because okay, so I do love Slipknot and I was thinking about recently. I let's think about recently, okay, And I'm like, you know, because I'm fifty six years old, and like, I used to do band stuff way back in the day, but like I sucked at most of it. But I thought to myself, you know what, it'd be cool, Like maybe I should go put a mask on and go out there and you know, have a band, get big, and then surprise, it's some fifty six year old dude. So oh, but it's so true. It's just like, Okay, the first album I ever owned in my life, I won at the boardwalk at Seaside Heights in New Jersey and it was the original Kiss album And it was I know, right. I just remember I wanted at a Carney Gate. I

13:48 looked up you could pick all these albums. I saw that when I was like, they just looked so cool to me. Like I even care what they looked like. I was a little kid, you know, so it's like it's just cool. But I mean then I liked them after that, of course, But stuff like that, you know, stories like that happened. Like there's one story I want to talk about with you is like, I love how you got into martial arts because you of the Ninja Turtles. Yeah, yep, it's so cool. And I'm gonna tell you something that ties things together with the Ninja Turtles and Slipknot and as weird as that may sound, So in the town where my studio is here in Florida, there's somebody that lives here who who is pretty famous in the eighties and you know, he's pretty popular now. And somebody came up to me years ago and they're like, you know, you should interview so and so because he lives here. And I'm like why because it wasn't my It wasn't really my jam and then so basically it turned out he did this like festival in our area to raise money for kids and stuff like that. So it turned out he was really popular and I got friendly with him. I actually met him at a festival we were playing on in the town and because we you know, and I was on the chamber and stuff, and so I got to meet him and now we're like friends. But he had me live broadcast his event

15:20 and he comes over and have Slipknot blasting in the car and he's helping me getting the radio equipment out and he starts headbanging and I kind of like gave him a side eye an eye roll, you know, like really did, and he's like, no, you don't understand this my jam, Like I helped them get signed and it was it's vanilla ice what. Yeah, so there's how the ninja turtle thing dies into it. Yeah, so funny ninja ninja, no doubt, no doubt. It's he's actually metal head. Yeah, oh yeah, I've heard that. That's really funny. I don't think I've ever met the guy, but at least the coolest dude. He is the coolest dude though. Actually, like I have mad respect for him because he don't give a crap about corporate music industry at all. Like it was funny because when the second year I was broadcasting for him, you know, clear Chowl was there. They were just becoming iHeart and it's funny because now I'm partnered with them, but back then they didn't like that I was there and they were trying to get me a leave. And then they went up on stage where he was sound checking, and I heard over the microphone, get the fuck off my stage and leave my fucking radio station alone. And for that, yeah, yeah, for that, mad respect, Mad respect, because he didn't have to do that. They were paying him actually, and he came, he came up to me. It's like, fuck that

16:52 corporate bullshit. I don't like the way they treated you. Next year, they ain't here, you're here, they're game kicked out. So yeah, like he didn't have to do that. I'm like, dude, if you want me to leave, I'll leave. I don't care. No, you're going to come in my VIP area. That's where you'll broadcast from. They have no say there, you know, like in his back area. So it just goes to show too, that's an earth thing. We look at these celebrities and we think there's something and they're just everybody's just a normal person doing their thing. That's all most definitely, and that that's something I wish more people would kind of realize, you know, especially these days, like we're in a really weird era of celebrity worship where a lot of the people that are celebrities now don't even really have a like defined skill set, you know, to be like, to be a celebrity, it required you to be an exceptional talent in some way. I know for the most part, Yeah, I just have to TikTok famous. Yeah, exactly, no, no shade. But it's like, you know, if you're making videos where you're literally just you know, like parenting someone else's words or someone else's music, and it's getting a million views, but the person who created it's you know, nowhere near that. Yeah, something seems fundamentally wrong with that.

18:14 I'm with you a million percent. Like it's it even happens in press tense, Like I do all these festivals, and it's like, I think it's kind of ridiculous. I'm in a press dent. I'm thinking myself, these are professionals, and it's like somebody walks in and they're all jumping up to them to get autographs and selfies, and like, dude, you're freaking working, you know, like the same a meet and greet, And there's times where tour managers have had to say that the breast people. It blows my mind. I've literally had an experience where I was interviewing somebody on site okay, and they were fairly big and freaking. Somebody walks over the military interview a press person and it interrupts to get an autograph, Like dude, what the hell is that about? You know, it's like, oh my god, I have no freak include what's happened in this society? It just it kind of blows my mind. I was at another festival you love this one, okay, and we're in the press area and want to press people climbs up on a chair, peers over like Wilson from you know the TV show over the fence and it's yelling over a crossback stage to kid Rock saying, hey, come over here, let's do an interview. Like dude, that's not how you got an interview. You schedule it ahead of time. Leave

19:44 leave them alone. Okay, I'll never come back here now. Thanks. You know that? Boy? Oh I There's so many stories I could tell you like that, Like and you know, as an artist, it sucks for you guys, as an urist, because you have to be nice, Okay, that's what the tour manager is for them. He's the one that's or she is the one that's supposed to be a dick or a bitch. But you gotta be nice, and like I've seen it. I've had different scenarios like Okay, so I'm I'm friends with phil Enselmo Andre and we're back there and he's being nice. Everybody everybody's crying him in the press area and stuff, and his wife calls me over. He's like, she's like, can you do me a favor? He's never gonna leave, he's too nice and this ain't a meet and Greek, can you please go up to him and whisper in his ear as his wife wants him to leave, and she's she's his manager. But she was like, you know, you know, she was getting tired of it. She didn't want to be the mean one, and like, people are so weird because I did do that, And then afterwards everybody's like, oh, what'd you say to them? What did you say to them? I told him to get the hell out here, because you guys are amateurs. Uh so yeah, And I'm sure you've seen it and Apple stories yourself all the time. Unfortunately, yes, So tell everybody how they connect you on social media, on the web, get your music, get your merch check out everything about you. My music is available,

21:17 you know, on any streaming service or digital music store. Just look for Andrew Hagar and if you want to find me on socials, it's Andrew Hagar Official on Instagram and TikTok Facebook, I have a random band page that's just Andrew Hagar. I'm also pretty active on Instagram compared to the other stuff. That's generally where I'll announce everything before any other platform, So I encourage people to hit me up on Insta. I'm a little bit active on TikTok. I gotta do better about that. That's all the labels I've talked to you are like, oh, yeah, you know, we love music, but you gotta you gotta start post some more on TikTok, And I'm like, oh boy, so I gotta, you know, figure out what to do on that stuff. But you'll have to lip sync you're own music.

22:00 Yeah, exactly. I've definitely done a couple of videos like that. Unfortunately, that's an hard thing nowadays. It's like back in the day lip syncing you were like shunned now you're celebrated with likes and views and followers. Exactly. It blows me away, man, I know, right, So Killer Well, I love your music. Everybody needs to check it out, support you because you're a badass musician, artists and everything else. And so I thank you for giving us such great music and doing such hard work in this industry because it's tough industry. And that's why I always want people to support the artist, because it's harder than ever to do anything nowadays. So that's why I always say they have to buy your merch or else they can't listen to my show. I appreciate you Thursday, Hey, you got it.

22:55 Thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Absolutely here is just your listens. Hey, I'm Andrew Hagar and you're listening to the Pipeman on W four TUI Radio. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipeman. I'm W four CUI Radio.