Pipeman Interviews IDKHOW at Bourbon & Beyond 2025

0:04 Hi, you have done too, Yes, that's true. Why for you? You? This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I don't know what band I have now, so well I went. You already got the first half of the correct so you're already on the right track. I know, right. My name is Dallen and the name of the band is I don't know how, but they found me. I like, it's a mouthful, I understand. I like that. It's seven words, seven the syllables maybe eight, I don't know.

0:45 I lose count two. I understand. It's confusing. It's a terrible business choice. Well not really, because I think everybody doesn't realize all the band names have been taken by Yeah. Yeah, that was it, Like this was the only one left. I did really did have a choice. And you figure in Google too, so like ay, by googling that, all they're gonna find is you. Yeah. Well it's a quote from Back to the Future, which is one of my favorite movies, has been since I was a kid. And then this band was a secret project that I was doing. For the first like year or so, I was in a different band, more popular bands and decided to start doing this in secret and just book shows and dive bars under this ridiculous band name, and then people started to get on board with it and it became too late to change. So now I'm just stuck with it. But band names are I was always terrible.

1:35 I would show up. But when you think about enough balls. To do that long of a band name, you must be good. Yeah, you just kind of have to embrace the nature of the ridiculousness of band names, like they're all bad. The Beatles best band ever. Their band name is a pun. That's terrible. That's terrible, but they're the Beatles. And Ringo's here today is incredible. Yeah, and who named Ringo? I think Ringo got to choose for himself and he chose well he did. Mister Sharkey chose well he did. He's the reason I started playing drums. He's not the reason I sucked at He's just the reason I started playing drums. Good. That's good as a reason as any of Beatles are why I picked up a guitar finally, when I was fifteen.

2:15 Okay, so I have a trivia question, then hit love that you said that, who is one of the greatest known bassists that was not a bassist. A Bassis that was not a Bassis. Well, you're probably talking about Paul McCartney because he didn't start there. He sort of he drew it a short straw. Yeah, he said, well, I guess I'll do it, And thank god that he did, because my gut, what a clever bass player. After I learned that then, because I was a Beatles freaker from a little kid, and after I learned, I started listening to Beatles' songs differently and I'm like, holy shit, he plays the bass like a guitar and I'd never noticed before I actually knew. Yeah, it was the nineties when the Beatles anthology hits the airwaves on TV, and I was learning at the same time, So I was simultaneously falling in love with those two things at the same time, playing guitar and learning about the Beatles, and I was obsessed and I had to have the haircut. And if it was from the sixties, especially from England, like I was all about it.

3:13 And if it wasn't from that era, it was garbage of course, right, So there's that period of time where it was the Beatles. Was this the end and the beginning for me. Well, you know what's amazing about the Beatles is they started off very simplistic and they became very complex musically. I think it was all by necessity too, Like you watched the interviews about them playing places like say Stadium, and as culturally impactful as that moment was, they couldn't hear what they were doing, and so they they stopped playing live and became a studio band. And it was born out of necessity because they were a great live band all those years in Hamburg and playing for eight hours at a time. But set touring is the Beatles.

3:55 It was stand on stage and be screamed at for an hour, twenty minutes or whatever a headlining set was back then. Yeah, exactly like Shays staym Like you said, that was insane. They definitely were quick to have people hear what they were doing. That sound system didn't exist yet. It's wild. Yeah, So what story good or bad in this whole musical journey is one that you're gonna talk about when you're eighty Oh. Man, Well, the bad ones are easy, right, bring up? They're easier to remember than the good ones. Spot. I wish that wasn't the case, but you always remember the time that goes wrong. You kind of have to sit and ruminate and think about it for a little bit. All of the good ones, but ultimately the good ones and those good moments make all of the bad moments worth it. So it's a trade off.

4:43 Really, you need the bad with the good. Yeah, is there anything that sticks out in your mind at all that like you're like, oh, either good or bad? Like you're like, oh, man, that was I never expected that moment, or plenty. Of unexpected moments, like especially at festivals and places like this, where you're walking into play for groups of people who aren't necessarily your audience. You got to put in some work and win some people over, and when that, when it happens, that's a really great feeling. There's nothing that compares to that. That is pretty cool when you do go in with these expectations of like, oh, who's going to like my music here, I'm in the wrong place. Yeah, and then all of a sudden they're out there singing the ship back to you and that, Yeah, like that happen.

5:26 I don't think it's something that you should concern yourself with too much, because you have to when it comes to the art you're making. You got to please yourself first, and if anybody else happens to like what you're doing, that's just an awesome bonus that you get to enjoy. I think you hit the nail on the head because that's when you get your following because you're being authentic. You can't please everybody, so why bother making art to please others? It's never going to be as good as what you're gonna do. Please wait, you're saying reminds me of this great David Bowie and that I think he did twenty thirty years ago. He was talking about how you should never play to the gallery, never give people what you think they want.

6:08 You tend to do your worst work that way. Instead, go further out into the water. Then you're comfortable, and when your toes are barely touched on the ground, then you're just about in a good place to make something interesting. I love that because you look at somebody like David Bowie, he definitely went outside the zone of what anybody would in his time. Yeah, playing to the gallery is not something he was ever concerned about. And look at the icon he has become. And that's how you do it. That's how you do it. You make the art you want to make and people will get on board with it or they won't. And even if they don't get on board with it, at least you made the thing that you wanted. To make and you can enjoy it. Yeah, Like, there's gotta be nothing more miserable than making music that you don't enjoy any.

6:53 Exactly play it live exactly right, exactly. There are some people who sign up to be the belaver of the month and they have their huge hits or they're five years in the spotlight where they're the biggest thing in the world. And if that's what you're after, if that's what you're chasing, god bless you. But yeah, you've got to go up there every night and play your hit. And if it's not a hit that you enjoy, that's gotta suck man. Right. Yeah. There's this band that plays at the festival next week. I don't think they are maybe they aretists here, but there's one song that's like one of their most popular songs. That's a cover song of an artist that in that genre probably wouldn't be so popular, but it is a really good version and you could tell that they hate the fact when they're on stage they have to play that song.

7:40 Yeah, that's everman, because this is supposed to be fun, and if it's not fun, you got to change something. Yeah, exactly. And that's a good point right there, what you said, if it's not fun, changing because the rest of the business is not fun. Yeah, So why should not fun? Everything surrounding the good part is just miserable. Right, So you need the good part. Yeah. Otherwise, why are you here? Exactly? Exactly when did that first moment happen in your life when you knew this was what you had to do. Oh, man, I had to be twenty twenty one or twenty two. I think I had a local band in Salt Lake City that we were just getting started, and I think we had played maybe three or three shows, and then this fourth show that we played, people came who weren't related to us or weren't our co workers.

8:26 He was the first time that like people had heard about our band right and came to see our band, and we didn't know these people, and it filled up this tiny little club and the show went great, and it was actual people who were just like here for the music that we were making and I was like, okay, this, I have to do this forever now. That was it. I love that because it's a great feeling, right, Like it's a mist People you've never seen in your life are like there. My favorite moment is the dudes who are in the crowd that had their arms folded with their soulen faces that are like, okay, who's this clown? Show me what you got guy, And if you can get those arms unfolded and get that guy on board, like, that's my favorite thing to do.

9:08 You know what. I feel the same way about what I do because you do have that because listen, this is the job of an artist. So again it goes on that outside of the fun part. Usually Yeah, and so they walk around this tent to thirty interviews, same stupid questions that they've answered a million times. They come over you and they have this look on their face and they have this like all right questions right, And the minute you could get them to like start slouching and like get comfortable what I'm doing there you go, you could tell and the look on their face changes is like boom, because you know what, talk to them what they're passionate about, not what is on your script?

9:52 Yeah, yeah, h questions like what does this song mean? Or what does that lyric mean? Like those questions like that are so and you can always you know, I would much rather talk about like how we made the song or how we made something, rather than like what the meaning is because art arts meaning is always so interpretive, interpretive and individualistic and subjective, and there's no objective way to really explain your art because you might have one idea and the person listening might have a completely different. Why influence it, Like some of the best songs were written on what the artists was feeling at the time, but every person listening puts their own feeling to it and their own meaning to it, and I'd rather keep it that way, yeah, because if you try change it, then I think it changes their.

10:39 View, might disconnect to them from the bit of art that you made. So yeah, that makes sense. And so what you guys got going on? After Burba and beyond, we're heading. Back to Salt Lake City, where I live at right now, but we've got a couple more shows along the way. It's just a quick little run to get us hearing back. So yeah, just out for like a week. Nice, And how do you feel that Danny Wimmer treats artists so far? Of your experience here at Bourbon and Beyond. I'm assuming that Danny Wimmer is the guy running this stoint. He's the one that runs Danny Wimmer presents Surban and Beyond. He is he mister Bourbon or mister Beyond. Which one do you refer to? I think he's both.

11:21 I'm sure I'm grateful he's putting this thing on. It's wonderful to be here. I'm excited to play. Nice And have you got to look around at the venue at all? Not yet. I just woke up a little bit ago and came straight over here. Nice. Well, you gotta check it out. I absolutely will. I guarantee you you're gonna love this festival because. We're gonna lost you. Well, no peer pressure, none at all. It's just a synergistic relationship here. Well, I thank you for having us, Hey, I thank you for being here at Bourbon Beyond. Tell everybody how they can reach out to you on socials, on the web, by your merch, get your music, all that stuff. Well, the merch buying, that's the important bit. That's really why I do this to sell T shirts.

12:02 I know, right, but I tell them that they can't listen to my show and let's say, buy your merch because I don't want you to promote it, but you can't get to the next gig without it. Well, yeah, the band name is a little long, so the if you're into the whole brevity thing, then IDK how you'll be able to find us on socials using those letters. IDK how wait, I don't know how I'm supposed to find you now. That's the new band name. Just changed it right now? Nice? Well, thanks a lot for being here and thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Main. Thanks sir, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on w for CUI Radio.