Paul McCoy of 12 Stones Reveals New Single World So Cold feat. Lyric Noel – PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure w se wow for you your kind of world. This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio and I'm here with our next guest who has Oh they just released a new single and it is badass, So welcome to the show.

0:45 Paul from twelve Stones. How are you. I'm doing awesome man, Thanks for having me taking the time with me. Oh, my pleasure, And I absolutely I was. Actually, you know a lot of times with interviews, I'll watch the video like right before the intern you to get myself in the zone and pumped up, and. It did do that for me. Nice. Nice the new video and the new version with Lyric nol it's just so badass. So tell us about how that happened. Yeah, we're very fortunate. Song World So Cold. Initially it was written in two thousand and six and it was on our anthem for the Underdog album. But strangely enough, it feels like it's sadly still relevant song lyrically in the state of the world that we live in, and so we started working with Judge and Jury Records, which is Howard Benson, the legendary producer Neil Sanderson from three Days Grace, they had their own record label, and they reached out to us about doing some songs together, and they brought up the idea of redoing World So Cold, and I just thought, what a cool thing to have a featured artist on there that could bring, you know, a new level of intensity to the song. And yeah, and that they recommended Lyric Noel, and she was just fantastic.

2:07 It's really cool collaboration. Obviously, I have a pretty pretty solid track record with collaborations, so. Especially with the females, You're right, yeah, females. It seems to work all right. Right, And I just have to say that what I loved when I saw the press release about this, The first thing came my head is like, oh my god, I talk about this all the time. It's like, listen, I come from the eighties, where like the songs written in the eighties from the old school punk and metal bands. I was into they could be the same songs today and just change the names that are in the songs.

2:49 And it is I'm gonna be brutally honest, it's fucking ridiculous like all these years later that we haven't changed a bit, you know, And it it just blows my mind. And then you have people coming out I won't mention who saying that entertainers music artists shouldn't have a voice, Like why has music always been It's always been a voice, you know. It's always a way to get those things out that really are bothering us in the world and sharing it with other people that's bothering them too.

3:29 Exactly. I think we all as humans, we all face a lot of similar trials and tribulations that you know, on a daily basis, and none need to be silent. I mean, I know, for me, music is therapy. It's my way to write down all the things that are happening in the battle between my ears and you know, and I find that if anytime someone can relate to a song that I've written in any way, you know, it makes it all worth it for me to continue to do the thing I feel like I'm supposed to be doing here this on my short time on this little rock. Well, I I kind of agree, I totally agree, But I kind of think that the whole reason people like you are given the talent that you're given is so you can spread that positive message throughout the world. And you know, a lot of times people that aren't into certain genres of music, they think the message is bad.

4:25 It's really if they listen to the lyrics, it's talking about what's bad, you know. And I think people get a few confused a lot of times. But you said therapy. You hit the key word for me, because the beauty of music is it's therapy for you, the artists, and it's also therapy for me, the person that's in the audience or the person listening. And you know, we all have those stories of songs that guys through stuff or what we relate to. And you know, I'll hear a certain lyric, I'm like, oh my god, that's so me, you know, right, and then you can totally relate to it. And what's great about is not even a judgmental way like there's other things in life. Words, you relate to things, but people are judging you or you're judging them. Music is to me the non judgmental zone, at least nowadays.

5:15 It wasn't in the eighties, and thank god it's not like. That anymore, right, Yeah, exactly. You know, So, what was I want to know? Going deep and digging way back, what is it that started you on this musical journey, way back, way back. I was probably twelve thirteen years old. My mom and dad got me a classical acoustic guitar one year, and I just I love messing around on it and just figuring my way around the notes and kind of what worked and what didn't. And then some time went by and I believe I was fourteen years old. I was sitting in Spanish class. Buddy of mine let me borrow the brand new silver Chair Frog Stomp album and I start, you know, as we did in those days in the nineties and stuff. We would go digging through the you know, the booklets of the CDs and see who recorded it and dig up all the information. And then I found out that they were the same age as me at that time, and I was like, wait, hold on, why am I sitting in Spanish class and these these guys are out there making music, touring the world with their best buddies. And my entire life changed in that moment, because I up until that point, I thought I was going to be a professional soccer player and the music was a cool thing that I was trying to learn.

6:42 But at that moment, I was like, oh no, I'm you know, taking a hard swing here and going to try to make music. And then I got our first record deal when I was nineteen, so about five years later, I somehow pulled off the dream. I love hearing stories like that because the part a story that the listeners don't hear, though, is what you do to achieve that dream. Like they think, oh, how lucky, or oh this or man is hard work. Uh listen. I played drums for nine years, sucked, I switched the guitar, sucked at that, sang thrash mellows sucked at that too. That's why I'm good at this. But I feel like it.

7:24 If you suck at thrash metal vocals, then you might be actually pretty good. That's like a it might might actually be a you know, a backwards approach, you know. And you know the thing is is that the bands that I was friends with back then, which some of them. Got really really really really big, they were just so dedicated. Like Randy Rhodes, who was one of my idols, Like he played, he practiced for eight hours a day, and I remember being teenager, I'm like, I don't have eight hours a day to practice, you know that? And then you know, like I was at Metallica's first show ever and I look at them now, and you know, everybody thinks they were like this overnight success. No, it takes about twenty years to become an overnight success.

8:16 You know. I was hanging out partying with them because only twenty five people were there at the Troubadour. When they're playing. But they were so dedicated. Like even the other bands in the thrash area that I was all friends with, they all knew Metallica had something special, and I think that special was why they're here today. Is that, Like listen, they blowney sandwiches with no bread and slept on the floor for ten years. You know, they did whatever it took and there was no other option. Like I'm also a motivational speaker, so I'm all about nor does succeed. You have to have nothing to fall back on. And I hear your story, I'm like, that's exactly what you did too.

8:56 Yeah, we just swing for it. And a lot of people don't realize too, Like in the listener, they don't realize the struggles that happened to artists after they get signed or after they go on the road, Like it doesn't just impact the artists impact everyone in their family, children, loved ones, uh, you know, friends. You know, you realize that your entire life that you thought you had is happening somewhere else while you're out trying to pursue something and playing in bars and Topeka, Kansas on a Tuesday for three people, and you're just like, where's the value in this is? It is all the sacrifices that not only I made, but you know, kids and family members and every all the sacrifices that they're forced to make.

9:42 Is it worth it? You know? And that's it's a hard it's a hard life to get up here and bury your soul on a stage in a room of strangers and even friends and family, you know, to to dig deep into your your heart and find where your lyrics are and really sing them with passion, and to be parent enough with people, and then to go and get you know, share five guys in a hotel room and you know, drawing straws for the cot and it's like, man, we're all adults. We all have you know, families and things like that. So I do know that it's not all puppies and rainbows. It's not all sunshine. It's it's a lot of hard work, a lot of dedication. And for us, if we're playing on a tour, like we go out with Powerman five thousand later this year, I think we get a thirty five minute set. The other twenty three and a half hours of the day are just brutal, you know, it's right driving, eating at truck stops, you know, not sleeping, and then that thirty five minutes that we get on stage, I'm like, this is the best day of my life. Like, this is what I this is what I want to do. And then as soon as it's over, we load the van back up and head to the next place to play the next thirty minutes and yep, you know, the scales don't always bounce themselves out.

10:57 Well, it's funny you should bring that up because I talk about all the time that you know, why listeners should support artists and especially support them by buying their merch and stuff like that, because they think it's just all fun games and like I always talk about, when you're playing, that's the fun part. Everything else is the shit, yeah, like that, and the creating the music and the playing it. But they don't realize everything else that goes along with it, even doing stuff like this doing press. I always talk about it all the time, Like I go and do coverage at music festivals all over the US, UK, Europe, and I listen to other interviewers and I'm like, sometimes I'll listen to them and I'm like, man, if I was the artist, I'd be slitting my throat right now because they've probably heard that question like thirty times already in the past hour.

11:48 Oh yeah, yeah. I mean that you can tell who does research and who's just like going through their typical top ten questions, you know, right, So it definitely it definitely it goes both ways though. I mean as many interviews as I've sat through that have had the generic, you know, top ten questions, I already have those answers. Like I've said it enough times where like it's it's just the easy off the top. So you know, when an interviewer is like this, we're having a good report and good conversation, it makes it a lot more realistic than you know, where did the band name come from? You know what? And it's like those kind of things where it's like, yeah, that information is already out there, you know what. I mean it's cool to get a fresh perspective and a fresh set of questions.

12:35 Yeah, and you know what I think, but I havn't. By having conversations, you'll find out the stuff that nobody else gets out of them, because you know, music ours, they have a lot of passions and beliefs, and you know they want to talk about certain things, but maybe they don't have that opportunity. Like one of my most memorable interviews, and I've done like over three thousands of them, was with Lacy Stern and I asked her about the whole thing, what her and Sonny do for the teenagers and how she was suicidal as a teenager. And it was funny because it was a festival, and you know how it is. It's like, you know, you have a hard ten min's, a hard five minutes, hard fifteen minutes, and I'm pretty professional about that. And she was talking and her tour mager came over and did one of these and she shoot them away and then she talked for like another half an hour because she was so excited to talk about something that nobody asked her about, which I didn't know nobody asked her about, because we got off.

13:37 And she gave me a big hunger. She's like, thanks for asking about that. Nobody asked, And I'm thinking myself, how does nobody ask about that? That's like probably one of her biggest passions besides music. Sure, I mean, And that's the thing is, a lot of artists are our mental health advocates. We all come from the from the land of autism and creative thinking, and we don't really fit into a lot of mold. So a lot of times when you get asked those neurotypical type questions, you know, and then you just kind of become like numb to it in a sense where it's like you you mentioned something that someone's passionate about, They're like, oh, hey, all right now. Anyway, you know, they able to engage a lot with that. So I love I love that Lacy is like that. I'm that's that's really great to hear. I always love when other artists are finding something relevant to say using the platform that provided. You know, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of artists out there that are the sex, drugs, rock and roll, party music, you know, which is great.

14:41 The world needs that one hundred percent. But I always love finding artists that try to have something valuable to present, to maybe share a little bit of their experience to to help somebody else's struggling. One of the biggest compliments that I get is when someone says, hey, man, I listening to a twelve sound song and it really got me through X, y Z whatever whatever. That is. It no matter how small the hurdle might seem, or how gigantic the mountain is to move, it's it makes me feel like I'm on the right path when something that I felt and been able to put into lyrics has helped somebody else in their life. And it's someone I don't know, you know, someone that yeah, that doesn't owe me anything. They don't owe me an explanation or anything.

15:31 They just they found a song and related to it, and that gives me a lot of joy and motivation to continue. That's probably like the best thing of being an artist, is it when when you impact somebody like that because you changed their life forever and you didn't set out to it. I talk about that all the time, like artists don't set out to do these things, or they don't true artists don't set out to be a rock star they just want to get the stuff out of them, you know, and it is therapy for the artists, and so if it becomes therapy for the listener, that's just a super bonus. Yeah, exactly. I totally agree. I'm very big into being present, especially like our shows and stuff like I try to hang out watch every other band. I try to be available to talk to just anybody, because I'm still such a huge fan of music that I love it and I feel privileged to get this honor to be able to make music for a living. There is the other side of the coin, however, that sometimes it almost feels heavy to know that some people are reliant upon your words at times, like you don't maybe have the most powerful thing to say in this particular song or something.

16:51 So it feels a little weighty at times to where you're like, I hope this translates to what I'm trying to convey. It's gotta be a lot of pressure too, when you write new songs when you have that in your head and it's like oh, instead of like when you're writing them when you're a kid in the beginning, where it's all about you, you're like, oh, well, how's it going to impact people. And I personally, I think the best artists I have the most impact. They do not, and they do think of it, of still how it affects them, and then their tribe will just naturally come to it. Yeah, I use I use eye a lot in our music. For me, I just it makes it, Uh, it makes it real to me. So I can. I can still play songs like the way I feel a song twenty five years ago, and every time we play it, I feel the same way about it. I feel the same intense emotional connection to those lyrics and and that that work of music that I don't I will never get sick of playing that song. You know, there are some songs I'm so important, Mike like less. But man, every time I see our set list, I'm thrilled. I'm like, all right, cool man, I get to this is the show we're bringing to them tonight. You know, depending on who we're playing with, you might have a a super heavy, upbeat, screaming in your face set, or we can turn around and like tomorrow night and the next night we've got two acoustic shows we're going to go play. So I

18:22 like to be able to just find find what vibe fits the room and have at it. See that's the way it should be, And that is cool because like I always wonder how people that sing other people's songs. I'm not talking about covers, but when you have like pop artists that don't even write their own music, Like, how do you sing those songs without the emotion attached that whoever wrote it maybe it was their emotion. Like to me, music is like one of the most emotionally moving things, and I think to sing it you have to like believe what you're singing. Is kind of my viewpoint. It's kind of like I'm a motivational speaker. If I don't if I'm not walking my talk, I can't be talking right right.

19:11 Nobody wants to take advice from somebody that's, you know, sad all the time, so it's like, right, you know, obviously obviously you're not doing too well, so maybe maybe I'll just go ask someone else, you know what I mean. But I think the same is true for music. It is it is a blessing to be able to do this, and I'm very fortunate that I have been able to write so many songs that I believe in with some of my best friends in the world over over the last twenty plus years, and and I try not to take any any moment for granted. My dad always says, every day above ground's a good day, So I try. I try to play every show like it's my last one, and I try to live every day as if it's the last one I got.

19:53 I love that, and I am somebody that lives life to fullest. And it's so funny you said what you did, because when I was leaving my place to come to his studio today, in the elevator, somebody walks on, I'm like, hey, how's it going. He goes, I'm above ground. Yeah, And it is like, I think that's such It would be so helpful in this world right now, with everything that's going on in the world, I think we need to be focusing more on that. It's like, even with live music, I thought all the complaining would go away, and when COVID happened and it didn't take long at all for people to start bitching again. And I'm like, man, I don't give a shit if some kid is playing the recorder up on stage. I'm going to that live show man, because we may never have that ever.

20:43 Again exactly. You know, every day, every day above ground, every every opportunity you get, make the best of it, because I don't want to go to my grave with regrets. I don't want to I don't want to have any opportunities on the table. And I'm already really scatterbrain. So my wife keeps wrangling me in and keeps me on the straight and narrow as far as like task to be completed and stuff like that. But uh, yeah, man, I just I'm very fortunate. And I know for a fact, everybody that's ever stepped on stage with me, they know that they're expected to give everything they got every single night, whether it's five or five thousand. That's kind of like we're saying, you've alway said. It's like it doesn't matter if we're playing to the bartender and the sound guy.

21:28 Let's go. Let's go make them be like, hey, it was still a good show, you know what I mean. So absolutely, and sometimes these send up the best shows, right like you never know, like and you never know who that one of a handful of people could be that you know, just basically you change their life or they spread the word because you gave it your all to them, and they're not thinking like, oh, they're not doing it that great because there's only a few of us here right right. Yeah. See, I don't believe in phoning it in, you know what I mean, because I still believe in the lyrics.

22:08 I'm saying so, and a lot of the a lot of my lyrics are introspected, a lot of them are like a song we have called save Yourself, and I always joking and say it our acoustic shows. I'm like, this is a song I wrote about myself from myself, you know. It's just like it's called save Yourself, and it's basically before I got sober. There was a night that I felt that I single handedly started the apocalypse, and I was just like, man, you gotta, you gotta get it together. And I remember just sitting in that hotel room looking in the mirror and being like, you're an idiot, man, you gotta you gotta, you gotta reel it in here. And so that song kind of just wrote itself in that moment. And so every time I sing that, I can sing it full with my full chest because I still want to look at that man in the mirror and be proud and not be like, man, I want to be able to come and say, man, look how far we've come. You know, did you ever think that when you were sitting in that hotel room in Memphis that you we're gonna one day be you know, trying to help other people survive, you know, sobriety and mental health issues and things like that. So it's you know, making the strides to try to bring a little positivity, not just through the music but just through everyday life.

23:25 And see stories like that are what I love most because sometimes when we're in those mental states, which we can all be in, like you know, the biggest fallacy is that the most optimistic people never get bummed out or anything. That's not the case. We're all human. But when you're in it, you can only see the tree. You can't see beyond the tree to the forest, and you can't see where you're gonna be down the road. You're just so focused on that. So when I hear a story like yours, it just makes me feel good, Like it's like now you can look back. You know that moment in time, when you were in that moment in time was probably taking forever and now it's just a blip. In the history of your life.

24:09 Yeah, a lot of times that uh that seemed life ending are I don't even remember anymore. It's like I've been able to just let go of those those things that were kind of holding me back. And I still obviously struggle every day with lots of things, but I'm able to realize that I'm smart enough to know I don't know anything, and I'm able to to open up and be receptive to to what the universe has to offer and and and what the people around me. And I try to surround myself with with the right people and the right enview and uh and if I can do that, then then I'm a happy man. I don't have to be the class clown, you know, dance dance, monkey dance, make everybody laugh at the party guy anymore.

24:51 I can. I did my time, and I feel like I was pretty good at it. But uh, I feel like sobriety is where where I'm best suited. Well, you know what I find from a lot of people I've known in my life that you know, it took being you know, that drug addict, alcoholic that is out of control for them to appreciate this sobriety, Like and really appreciate what it's like with your head thinking clearly. Yeah. And then the other thing a lot of people don't realize is like with sobriety, the things that you were trying to drown out and mask and cover up or whatever, they never go away. Now you just have to face it with it. Now you just have this mountain in front of you with nothing to lean on, nothing to fall back on, nothing to be all right, We'll just take a little edge off here, like no, I'm I'm headfirst into a brick wall. And everything I do in my life and that's just how I'm wired.

25:55 So when I do something, I do it all the way until I can't do it anymore. And uh, that was that was true for drinking and partying, and it was this. I became a way of life and a way of like everything I liked to do in life, it involved being able to get wasted. So I used to love golf, but no, I liked going day drinking with my friends right and hitting hitting balls into the trees. I was never good at golf, but it was a good excuse to, you know, make a vodka drink it at eight am on tea box one so yeah, I like golf. I used to think I loved golf. I mean, I like it. I haven't played in years, but you know what I mean. So I have to relearn why did I like these things previously? Like why did Why was this the path I was on? Is it because I could be like, well, I can always find a reason to party, you know what I mean. I'm like, well, it's Tuesday, man, you know it's taco Tuesday. We can go get some Martarita's. And that's just the kickstarter. So you know, my brain is always looking for the excuse of like, oh, yeah, we can get It'll be fine.

27:02 But I know, like I said, one hundred miles an hour into brick Wall, I'm never gonna have one drink. I'm never gonna I'm never gonna just be like satisfied. If there's something that I like that I enjoy that brings me even delusional happiness, I'm gonna I'm gonna run into it every time. So I just realized that again, I'm smart enough to know I don't know anything. So I'm just gonna have to stay away from all the things that I don't have control over. That's where you are smart. For sure, because there are so many people that have that attitude you were talking about, you know, like even you know, smoking cigarettes. It's like, I don't get Like I quit smoking. I had a heart attack surfing and so I quit smoking. And I didn't quit surfing though, but I quit smoking. But the thing is is like, I don't get people. There's some people that will like I could take a hit off a cigarette, or I'll smoke one. I know, one hundred percent for a fact, if I took one hit off of a cigarette, I'd be back to pack of Marlboro Reds every day within a day.

28:16 Oh easy, Yeah, you know. So it's like you can't I know, I can't take that one drag because that will be the end, you know. And I think that's the hardest thing people have to learn, I think when they're going through whatever it is they're going through. For yeah, I've had I've had friends in the past that were right when I was getting sober, they'd be like, man, you don't have to have a drink, just come hang out with this. We're at such and such bar. And I'm like, yeah, how miserable that would be for me to know that I'm not going to be in a here, in a bar with a bunch of drunk people that I normally would be drunker than to deal with those people.

28:58 And now you want me to come and see here and stare at the thing that they would make it all feel better in the moment, but not be able to do it and still have to listen to you drunkenly battle about stuff that don't care about, like no, man, I'm good. And when you're in that, you know, as a musician, you don't even realize how it's affecting your musicianship. Like one of my best friends who was the head engineer at my station here. He passed away a few years ago, but he was. In a metal band in the eighties and then he was in country rock duo and he used to I used to I was just talking about this in the last interview came up. But I had to go out. I don't drink, but I go out with him pre grant and pregaming because he would have you know, even after being so comfortable and so good at for so many years, he had stage fright every time because he was used to drinking while he was performing. So we would pregame and it would be funny. We had this joke about him. His name was Chad, and they would have two sets and we would always say Chad is the first set and Brad is the second set, because by time, by time the second set, Brad was in full yeah, entertaining drunk boat. But it's like I always had to babysit them a lot of times because like one example, one story, you'll laugh because I'm sure you've seen a lot of this. His partner in crime. She

30:30 couldn't perform that night, her voice was gone. So I was hanging out with him and I ended up having to go home. And I get home and she calls me. She's like, Deanie, you need to go back. Chad is standing on top of the speakers and he just sang sweet Home Alabama four times in a row. Hey, you know, And I like, right, I show no Chad. And he was fun. It was fun to be with, but like, you don't really realize that stuff is going on right there, and you think it's funny.

31:14 Yeah, yeah, And I realized only recently, As sad as it is to say that my amazing drunk experiences that I had, some of the times that I thought were the most fun I've ever had were only fun for me, right. I go back and hear everyone else's version of the same evenings and they're like, it was not enjoyable. You were not fun, you know what it was like? Oh no, but remember I did that thing? And they're like, yeah, you thought it was hilarious. The rest of us were like, man, ritt chili, it's four pm. What are you doing? Right? And that's what we talk about right there. It's the perspective of the people around you.

31:57 Yeah, yeah, exactly. But now, wow, you're better than ever. And man, this remake of this song is badass. Everybody has to check it out. World so cold, and man, I can relate totally, not just because of what's going on in the world, but I live in South Florida and this place is fucking cold, man. And I don't mean temperature wise, Okay, d as hell with a bunch of cold ass people. And I keep saying, man, we just need to stop palling for the oldest trick in the book, Divide and conquer, unite, love each other, love each other for our differences. We don't have to be exactly the same, and stop the arguing, attacking over stupid shit that like, we shouldn't be arguing about we should all just be caring about everybody else.

32:46 Yeah, Will Ferrell said in the movie Tropic whatever I forget the name of the basketball semipro. He was like, you know, el e, everybody, love everybody, you know what I mean. So it's like this sound sounds cheesy and trivial, but I realized that most people don't understand that nobody knows anything. None of us know and we're all arguing and nobody knows what they're talking about. And I don't mean and I'm not talking about left, right, up, down, black, white, green, It doesn't matter. No one knows anything. We all just woke up on this floating rock in outer space. Maybe maybe maybe it's maybe it's real. I don't who knows.

33:30 But everybody is so confident with with their with their like directives and their leadership ability that oh, I know where the treasure is. It's this way, and it's like, oh no, no, no, it's actually this way this way. So until we realize that no one knows anything and we're all just guessing our way through life, then then we're just gonna be doomed to repeat the divide and conquer mentality. It's like, yeah, if we were all the same, it would be it would be a different type of nightmare. It's never gonna just be like I would be boring, right, I mean, it's just we are we then are the machine? Right, we are then AI for all just carbing copies of each other and nothing, nothing's new and exciting. Then then what are we working for? What does everybody wake up for every day? You know what I mean?

34:16 It's just as I have a brother that like he if somebody doesn't think the way he does, or uninformed and uneducated, and I always say to him, or they grew up in different geographical location, or they had a different upbringing, or they had different experiences in life, or ten million other variables that make them think differently than you. Yeah, a sponge can only soak up the liquid that it's in, you know what I mean. So like you're totally you're a child and you're learning. You're gonna learn what you're what you're presented, whether it's in textbooks, your parents, or family members, or your peers, whoever it is. You're a product of your environment, and not everybody is as blessed to have the same up bringing environment and family structures.

35:02 So when you feel that someone's ignorant and uninformed, maybe even if it is the case, it's not their fault and it's not and it's not your place to tell me that I'm uninformed when it comes to things like politics, I don't know anything. And I'm okay knowing that I don't know anything because I'm not a political guy. I'm not one of these guys it's gonna blast you over who you vote for. I mean to me, I'm just like I man, I just want to go and live my life today and I want to hope that everybody around me is able to do the same. And you know, I know it's wishful thinking, and we live in a in a cold world ironically, you know a pun but uh, you know, I do. I do know that. It's like I my goal every day to wake up is just try to be a better version of myself, try to be a better human, you know, try to hold doors, yes sir, yes, ma'am uh, and try to leave a legacy of kindness and motivation.

36:00 Well, that's what makes you a human being, and that's what makes you, in my opinion, a great music artist too, because I think that is a necessary component to be honest. So I love what you've done for a long time now and I can't wait to see more of it. And everybody needs to check you out. Tell everybody how they can reach you on your socials on the web, get the new song, check out tour Day. It's all that good stuff. Absolutely. Our website is twelve Stones dot com one two Stones, and all of our socials are either twelve Stones or twelve Stones Band. I believe TikTok is twelve Stones band.

36:41 And we don't have a team of people. I don't have a manager, I don't have a record label, I don't have anything. So if you're reaching out to someone on social media on one of the twelve Stones pages, it's a ninety nine point four percent chance you'd be speaking to me directly. So I handle all these social media accounts myself. So Merchan is available on the website. All the tour dates are up there. Like I said, we're about to go on the Summer of ninety nine Creed Cruise in a little over a week now. It's gonna be fantastic time. And then after that hitting the road with power Men five thousand and makes my blood dance, So really looking forward to those those two runs.

37:21 Absolutely. And those cruises are fun, aren't they? They are awesome. My wife and I love cruising anyway. We do a lot of a lot of travel like that. We've played a couple of the other cruise Ship Rocked, we've played that one before. This is our first time on the Creed cruise and I'm stoked. It's gonna be a big family reunion. We got our buddies in Daughtry and Creed was one of the first bands to ever take us out in the early two thousands, so they're like big brothers to us. So yeah, I mean, it's just so many people on this cruise. It's gonna be a big, big old family reunion. I can't wait. I love it, and I love how aris are on those cruises because it's different than when you're doing like a festival like I did ship Rocked and the artists weren't even eating and catering. They were eating out at the buffet with everybody else because they were on vacation too, and now they was messing with them. Like because if you're going on these cruises as like a patron. I think you treat the artists a little differently because you know you're there with them. They're gonna be there, you know, it's not like you have this limited window and like I'm ship rocked. I don't know about the other cruises, but you know, every band does a meet and greet, so you have that opportunity too that you wouldn't have elsewhere.

38:32 Yeah, we're we're all doing meet and greets. We're hosting a cornhole tournament and I had some custom twelve Stones cornhole bags made by this company called Nola Bags here in New Orleans that we're gonna give away to the winners of the contest. So we're very accessible. I know the other bands feel the same way, and a lot of the people that come on these cruises have the understanding that we're all human beings and like if we're in the bathroom or if we're eating or something, and you know, like that's maybe not the time for the photo op. But most people are really cool about that, you know what I mean. But I'm hopefully speaking for us for twelve Stones, we are very accessible. We'll be at the buffet, we'll be in the fool hot tubs, we'll be cheering on the other bands when we're not playing.

39:18 So yeah, man, we're super excited to have the honor to be on this boat and we're going to take full advantage of making as many new friends as we can. Well, you keep doing it and I look forward to seeing a lot more of you. And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. Man. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much. You got it. What's up, everybody. This is Paul McCory from twelve Stones and you're listening to pipe Man on W four CY. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Man. I'm w for CUI Radio.