Ourselves Among Others: Nostalgia, Modern Metal, and the Art of Reinventing Live Music

0:04 Hi, you love don too censure see Wow, crazy Young. It is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm excited about our next guest. Boy. What a day. I got ten million interviews because I was out on the Pipe Man radio tour and doing festivals, and now everybody had to do interviews today and I got more approvals at it. And now I have this band. Who's the highlight of it all. Forget fucking forget Bloodstock, forget Warp Tour, forget all that. I have ourselves among others with us, and that's the best highlight of the day.

0:52 What's up, brother, Nice to meet you, man, can't wait to be here, super excited to be here. Thank you so much. And better than a warp tour man. That's called man. I don't know if I believe you, but I'll take it. I'll take you well. Like I mentioned Vadkin too. You know about Vakin, right? I haven't heard that. Oh it's called the Holy Ground. It's the biggest metal festival in the world. It's in Germany. I was just I was just there and then I was at Bloodstock. Do you know that festival? Ye? No, Bloodstock yes. Yeah, yeah, So I went from Vakan the bloodstock to you guys. It's an honor to be in the same list. Man, There you go. And then I'm going to warp tour Montreal on the twentieth. And then I just got approval for Mexico City, So there you go, brother.

1:44 They wouldn't want to be anywhere else warped towards. Where it's at, no doubt. I can't believe it's back. It's I can't believe they're bringing my space back too, Like what right, I just. Heard about that. Man, We're gonna have to get on there and see if we could re unlock our coating skills, because. Those are the days that you could actually like promote your band the right way. Yeah, right, exactly. Came to you back then, you know what I mean, Like we you didn't have to search the band out the band. The band tracked you down and said you're gonna like this music. So I showed and this random coffee shop. Yeah I know right. It was the modern day version of the tape trading days that I grew up in.

2:27 Yeah, and it's cool because all that all that vintage and retro stuff now like vinyls cassettes I've even seen. Uh. I believe it was the Browning They they made eight tracks. Really, I've been talking about that with all the bands making cassettes, and that was like they beat the banker eight tracks. Man. Yeah, I had. True yeah, insane Browning Browning houses. I think everything that you can sell they have at their merch table. So that's so killer. I had Blizzard of Oz on eight track, and I had my match book handy so that it could prop it up and be at the right speed. Otherwise Ozzie sounded more like maybe, uh, I don't know, hell Hammer or something like that.

3:17 And then and then to listen to music, man crazy. No doubt. And then mister Crowley would split between tracks, so it would fade out of track two and then fade back in for track three. You'd hear to click to the next track, and it would be right in the middle of mister Crowley. Man, I'll tell you what. Living in California, man, I developed my biggest fear probably about ten years ago. I ordered a special edition Scary Kids, Scaring Kids vinyl record. They only made a certain amount of prints. I was so stoked to get it. Middle of summer.

3:57 It came in probably prime a lie California heat and uh, it sat in my mailbox for no longer than two hours, got it inside, cut the package open, put it on my vinyl record, my player, and that record was sitting like. Oh yeah, I remember those days. I remember those days too much, and like I lived in LA during the eighties sunset strip days. Yeah, so you know, I don't know that I remember most of it, you know, because if you were no, no, if you remember it, you weren't really there. And thank god we did have social media that ship, because there's no proof of all the ship that I'd be in big trouble for right now.

4:42 Oh man, you enough what I ate for breakfast today, exactly. Man, I don't like that ship. I don't want everybody to I listen. I was just taking a family member to the airport and they were losing their ship at the airport, and I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna be on social media for this shit. Yeah, It's it's crazy world with everybody watching. But I mean that's the nice part about doing music now is like, uh, you see those those those true interactions, and you see the people who are living in the moment at the live shows, man, and it's like meeting the fans again, like you know, we're in our thirties doing it now, and you still have the phones and everything like that, which is cool because after the show's over, everybody's tagging you and posting you and doing all this stuff, posting the.

5:31 Memories, which is beautiful. But like you still get those those great interactions at live shows, and no, I don't. I still don't think, you know, there's nothing to this day that'll beat a live show. Like no, I feel like when we're listening to music on the radio, you're either in preparation to go to a live show or you're recapping leaving a live show, and you're kind of just reliving that memory these days. Yeah, And for me, back in the eighties, if it was on the radio, I'm not fucking listening to it anymore, you know, because like back then, metal then get played on the radio. So once it did, that means they shifted to like hair metal or some shit like that. Like nope, you're a supposer, sell out. I'm not listening anymore. You're on the radio, you know. But I mean, it is it's interesting that there's pros and cons to both times.

6:21 Like you, as a band, it's much easier for you to get exposure due to socials and things like that. You know, you don't have to do the work sometimes that those eighties bands did, you know. But but in the same token, you gotta do a lot more fucking work on social media. Yeah, Frozen cons to it for sure. Nothing like thirty years old and dancing for TikTok, right. I know, right, And it's like, fuck man, I can't even keep up with it anymore. Like now, and they're bringing my space back. I'm like, fuck another one. I gotta do now. And it's like it's like a full time I feel bad for musicians. It is a full time job to just do to social media. I don't even know when you have time to write music.

7:08 We you know what we. Are, our band as a whole, We kind of broke everything down to where everybody has a job. There's five of us. So Drew, which is our our streaming streamer in the band. He's our tech guy. Man, he's savvy. He knows the ups and downs left and right, so the algorithm and man, if you go on our TikTok, I think he posts like three times a day. There's posts that we don't even know about. Actually for this interview, and I saw a couple of post I didn't even see that. Yeah, yeah, I don't even have enough time in the day to do three tiktoks. Man, It's it's we got We got lucky with the five people we have. You know, me and Matt do a lot of the creative you know, he does a lot of the bookkeeping and stuff like that. I do more of the ideas for the art and stuff like, you know, on that side of it, and then Richard focuses mostly on his guitar. He does a lot of the emailing back and forth there. And then you know, we just signed with uh CB Entertainment and you know he's doing the heavy heavy lifting for us in the background.

8:11 You know, a beautiful manager to have, and so. He is out to us. He is incredible. You're absolutely lucky because yeah, you know, there's a lot of people in this business I wouldn't say you're lucky about and he's definitely one of them. You are, dude, I mean, yeah, for for the day that we got that email, and you know, we try to do our due diligence, and we we have friends in the scene, and you know, bands that have been around and you just you talk to people, ask them. And yet you know, we've gotten mixed reviews on other other ventures we've taken and you know, oh that's good or no, that might not be the best path for you, guys, And sometimes you got to make your own mistakes. And then when Chris reached out to us, we did our due diligence again and started asking around and we couldn't even We were trying, man, we were trying to find somebody, like we were going to give him a hundred bucks say something bad about this guy, but like we couldn't find anybody to say anything bad about him.

9:04 Man. Thing from like lower you know, just like local to like buddies and bigger bands are like, no, no, that is he's a great guy. Like yeah send it. Yeah, so's he's doing excellent in his career. And I'm we're stoked to have him part of the family. And uh, you know see where this this journey takes us, Like we're we're blessed to even be in this position. Man. You know, we we started off back in twenty twenty three of just getting this back together of possibly doing a tour of you know, just the songs that we did in high school. Just you know, get back together and let's let's do some of the old songs. See if anybody shows up. We'll just we'll run around California and see if anybody likes it, and then we'll we'll continue living on our lives. And then we wrote two new songs, which were Death Race and Stay Another Day.

9:50 And the feedback they got and the the fandom that kind of you know, pulled in from it, which was the old nostalgia guys from the my space or the you know, the newer fans, which is the younger generation, the kids, or you know, some of the metal heads that never even got a chance to hear us. It was beautiful. So then we just. Never stopped writing. We just kept going with it, and the family kept kept growing, and you know, the songs keep rolling in. We try to try to get a new song every other month, and you know, we we we just keep rolling. Man, good things keep happening. Nice. I love that, you know, because it is hard when you have the nostalgia people like you look at bring Me and how many of their core fans were like, and I know I was like that with Metallica when the Black album came out, Like I was at their first show ever in Black. I'm like, you fuck impose or sellouts, you know. But like now you hear like the new Bring Me they just released, it's like they went back to their roots. And I think that's smart.

10:55 But you know, I always said it best, like why I want write the same song over and over again? So when you go away from a little bit, I think it kind of puts that juice back into you to do it again, because yeah, poke a little break from what the nostalgia was, you know exactly. Yeah, I mean, and you know we were sixteen, seventeen years old back then, you know, uh, just youngsters doing it. So not only do do sounds change and. Voices change and bands change, because you know, it's it's not the same members or anything anymore. But like a couple, yeah, just just a couple original guys. But like everything changes over time, and the voices changed, and your your feelings change, your outlook on life change.

11:42 Really changes the maturity with it, Like understanding is a disagre ring. We can find the middle ground going oh you know, what let's try. That's rude. Yeah not exactly, bro, but I go play except yeah, yeah, exactly. And you actually are better at playing, like when you're six. Usually you're not really that good yet because you're just starting and you know, some people maybe, but you know, the more you play, the more you get better at your craft. So of course you don't want to sound like you're a beginner anymore, which is where you got to do that, like walk that fine line between the new and the and the nostalgia, because the nostalgia people want you to still suck, you know, and you don't as an artist, you know. Yeah, so yeah, I think it's cool that you realize that too. And you know, all I kept thinking about when you were talking about that too is when I've interviewed Joe from the Vandals several times, and like, he knows, there's certain questions I won't ask. So one time he brought one up that everybody asked that I wouldn't and he's like, and don't ask me, pipe man. When the Vandals are coming out with new music, because nobody wants to hear a fifty something year old write and punk rock songs, and it's like It's kind of true because like Blink one A two as an example, they were playing Aftershock one year and everybody was leaving because they were all, well, this

13:14 was cool while I was fifteen, but it doesn't really apply to me anymore. And you know, it's true, like even if you take somebody who's a friend of mine who actually is a metal head, you would never believe Vanilla Ice, Okay, he lives near me, he's cool ass, dude. I never thought I was. He was cool till I met him. Like other than that, I was like, somebody came up to me and they're like, hey, man, you should interview Vanilla Ice, and I rolled my eyes. I'm like, why you know? And so it's funny. I was. I was doing one of his events and he was helping me unload my car all the radio equipment and that had slipknot blasting and he was banging his head and I looked at him and rolled my eyes on him.

13:56 I'm like, really, he goes, no, man, this is my jam, dude. Like I fucking wrote Ice Ice Baby when I was sixteen. I'm so sick of singing that song, but I have to, you know, And that's what you get or like I prevail whatever, Yeah, you Eric all the time, I don't know this song product will will not play their cover anymore. They they did, they don't want to do it. Still fly, they had huge popularity, they love doing it, but man, they do not want to do it anymore. I don't blame him. It's not there, not their jam anymore, you know what I mean? They exactly They want to show you what they still have and they're still killing it. Yeah, And who the hell wants to play like a cover as the one that everybody's listening to waiting for that you're sick of playing as it is, it was probably just a joke to begin with, you know, type of thing. And it's it's true. Eric was he's on stage, He's like, all right, I guess we're gonna sing the song that we have to sing, and I don't want to fucking sing. Yeah, And it is a good version.

14:59 They'll get wrong, but you know, I get his point of view, Like even with your old songs, your own old songs, sometimes we feel that way. As new as we kind of are. Elody kind of had that happen with a couple of songs we got a couple fans that are like every show they're costly, why aren't you playing this song to night? Or why an't you playing this time? Like because we can't. Yeah, we we do have that, you know. We we took a different approach when we we decided to start playing shows. Is you know, we took the entirety of twenty twenty three, which is the year that we you know, got together as as our band and decided to sit down and write the entire album. We we sat down, we started all right, wrote out a kind of a game plan there and shot for I believe it's seven full songs interlude, intro, and out outro, and we were just nostalgia to ourselves kind of thing like, Yeah, albums used to have intros, our albums used to have interviews, albums used to have outros, And we're like, let's make a gift for ourselves. We're here, we have the opportunity. Uh, let's write a story. And that's kind of what we did with Infinite in that.

16:10 In that aspect, we wrote a story of how we were feeling at that time. And when you start playing shows and you have that many songs, your time slots don't fit that many songs, right, We're lucky to get five. And you know our songs. We we're not rushing out two minute bangers. We're we're writing three to four minute songs. So yeah, we were, we were probably pushing about five songs and every show, when. Are we When am I gonna hear this song? When are we gonna hear that song? Will doesn't help it. We're also immediately. After the album we started writing writing, Yeah, we already have we go back next month. We'll have five new songs just this year that are on that album. So it's like it just it also goes off the vibe of the show. If playing a festival, we don't want to play you a sad song. I want to keep you moving, or it's like you can't play everyone yeah at all times, which so you have.

17:05 To go all out at it. You have to go all out at a festival. You have such a short time slot. Now, oh yeah, you can't. There's no time for a lull. And I love what you said about the intros and stuff like that, because some of my favorite songs ever kids today would not listen to because they wouldn't wait the ten seconds for the brutality to start, you know, and it's like it's weird to me because music is an experience, like immersive experience a song is, and I don't get the whole concept of I've listened to ten seconds of this song and I've heard the whole song already because I listened to ten seconds, you know.

17:47 Yeah, No, I completely agree. And it's just like I think music is more of. You. Like like we were talking about how people change and age and and things like that. The music that you're listening to at that at that time, at that part of your life, whether you've been listening to that band for one year compared to you've been listening to that band for twenty years, it's kind of a stamp on on how you were and who you were at that time. Yeah, I'll listen to a Data Member, Devar's product, Blink two, you know, story so far, Metallica's But you know, I can name the world, but every one of those bands that I listened to, I think when I pressed play that play button, that stamp comes back in my head of the first time you listen to them. Where what it relates to those memories that come back? You know what I mean the first time I seen uh. I lived in Reno for a little bit after I graduated high school, and first time I seen Devors Prada was in a venue called the Aquarium.

18:46 I'm not even sure it existed anymore, does there? Eight oh Ways were so loud, dust was coming off the ceiling and nice. I've seen other bands there. I've seen park Way, Drive a Data, remember, Motionless and White back when they were not who. They were, And Devilar's Prada is. The only band that I've seen the building roof tile shaking with dust coming off because their music was so loud. And that's what I'm saying. You press play on a song, even if it's you know, something like sacrifice or something new, that's where that memory goes. That's where it goes. Yeah, where your punch stample is. It's funny you should say that because that's why so many people are the way they are. Like when I was talking about Bring Me recently, there's some people that are just in that death core area era that was nostalgia for him. Metallica as an example. My favorite albums Kill Them All? Now? Would that be most people's favorite album?

19:42 No? Only the people that were there in the beginning because of nostalgia. Same with Slayer. Show No Mercy is my favorite album. Everybody wants say Rain and Blood, I say Show No Mercy. Maiden Killers for sure my favorite Maiden album. You know, AC DC, Bond Scott years now. That doesn't mean I don't like the stuff after. It just means that Dead's like you said, it holds a special place in time, time stamps in your brain that brings back to these feelings and brings you back to that time, and it's hard to let go of that. I mean, we're we're all just excuse me, humans at the end of the day, and and whether we fight.

20:25 It or not, are our brains. I think run on that and that nostalgia button, and music is built on that factor of it gets you that itch and whether you know, let's let's use Sleep Theory as an example. Brand new band blowing up out of nowhere. You know they're Their vocals are awesome, instruments are awesome. I've only been listening to them for about a year. I have a stamp from the first time I've seen them live. No clue who they were they were opening up for or for plotting You and Bear tooth and I was like, I heard good things about this guy's voice. I'm a huge fan. Now you know, I already have a stamp from them. It only took a year, you know, and it's it's it's awesome. I hope that one day that you know, we developed fans or we get to we get to be that stamp for people to where hey, we saw those guys at a venue that was less than three hundred people. We saw those guys that I mean, our first show that we played in Santa Cruz was a bar, and I woul think that.

21:16 Was about first show. But our first show in Santa Cruz was a bar. Oh say, twenty thirty people, but bar turned upside down. Yeah. We had you know, age ranges from sixty five year old guys washing down to the twenty one year olds who could just barely get into the bar, you know, losing their mind, bartender, barstools were moving around, and you know, so that might be a stamp for somebody like, hey, I caught them in Santa Cruz and in. The jury room with thirty other people, like, you know, fifteen people. Yeah, exactly. Well that's like for me, I was at the first crossover show. Ever. It was at the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge, which was like an Elk lodge in the in the San Fernando Valley, and there was no security before that. Long hairs can't go to punk shows, punks can go to metal shows. It was stupid as shit.

22:09 But then we had three punk bands, three metal bands, you know, and a couple of those bands you know, crossed over after that, but it was there was no security. It was fucking mayhem. So now one of the punk bands was coc when they were hardcore punk in the beginning before Pepper and I've interviewed two of their band members from then, you know that on two separate occasions, and I said, you probably don't remember this show in the mid I mentioned the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge. Are both of them on separate occasions. Oh, that was like an Elks lodge, right, That was the most epic show ever.

22:50 So even for the band, Yeah, that happens. They have this time stamp of something. You know, Yeah, like actually that I kind of do that, like, you know, I never realized it, you know, now that we're doing. Music is a huge part of his networking. So you go to these shows and you want to meet you know, you have the fans meeting the bands, but then you know, as a band meeting a band, you're kind of like feeling the vibe, feeling the human you know, you already know you like their music, and you're kind of just seeing if you can make that connection a little stronger. But from guys that we used to open up for back in high school, you know, from all of our different projects back then, we Attack Attack came back around, you know, and Andrew's still drumming for them. So we met him after the show and I was like, dude, you know, it's crazy we opened for you way back then. And it took like pause, thinking, thinking, and then the light bulb went off and he's like, oh my god, bro, that was you know, almost twenty years ago.

23:50 Like that's insane, right, it is wild? And uh, that's what's cool about metal, Yeah, because we're just one big community, one big family with a lot of nostalgia. I don't think there's any other genre besides metal or punk that could say that, because, like, do you remember who even the biggest pop artists are. There are some of the biggest pop artists. If you had asked the kid today, they wouldn't know who they are, but you mentioned the Misfits. They know who the Misfits are, you know, perfect example. And I love this song war Inside too, that. The new one we just came out with.

24:31 Yeah, yeah, that is killer. That is killer, and I just you know, people view things different ways. But immediately, without even listening to this song, I was like, oh, yeah, all of us on Earth right now are having a war inside our head? Yeah, you know, we we definitely uh you know, I think I think pretty much everybody's age you have a touch of you know, trauma. If you don't, you're you're beautifully lucky. But we kind of, you know, we know what the other members of the band have gone through. And we take a lot of our songs and we write them together. We send drafts to each other and see if anything needs to change. And that was one that when I was coming up with it, that song just came out. What did we drop that about a month and a half ago. A month and a half ago, and those lyrics started forming back in twenty twenty two before we even got this going.

25:31 That was something that was. In the notes of my phone and the process and you know, you're working with the other guys and having them clean it up for me, ad lines here or there and and do stuff like that. Yeah, that's that's been in the process for about four years. So that was probably one of my favorite songs to come to Fruition. And then I don't know if you were able to catch the music video, but we went entirely DIY with that entire song. That music video shot in Santa Cruz, Cruise of the off the cliffs out there, and you know, just the runs. I had a vision of that song of I wanted that beautiful run. The every step by tick but.

26:13 Devil's product sitting in the back of my head, I wanted Mike. You know, Mike's vocals is what I was hearing in the back of my head when I was singing it. So I was like, Drew, I want you to match exactly what I sing and do a run of screams and just blend them to this beautiful harmony. And that's probably one of my favorite things that we've written so far. Man, that that came out so good. It's fun. Yeah, that's killer, And see I like hearing that too. That's fun as hell to play. I think that's another thing too that people don't realize it is like there's some songs more fun to play to others for an artist. Yeah, and so some of those songs that maybe they want you to play aren't fun anymore. You know, you play that, when you play it like a thousand times, how fun is it still?

27:02 You know, one of our most popular songs that I loved to sing, he hates it because it's one of our more difficult songs to play. It's not that it's difficult. I just. At the time, I wasn't in the band when they started recording that, and I kind of did Sebi records, but I didn't want to change up too much of the bass on it as was because it was already out. It's just things. I guess you could change it more live, but I learned it the way it was and accord the way. It's just I don't know. I wrote the bass on that. When we first formed back together. I was the bassis. I made it technically myself, and I don't like to know. And when I was doing bass and vocals, I simplified everything because you know, I had a mic in front of me, so I wasn't always able to look down and see what I'm doing. And then, you know, as we progress, I was like, I should either get one of these out of the way.

27:58 I'm either gonna move. On from the vocal side of things and make bass more technical, or i should move on from bass and make my vocals more technical. And then that's when you know, we were talking, you know, as a band, and one of our band members told. Us that he was available. He plays bass, you know, he was in organ at the time when we did that, and so we brought him in and I handed him my bass guitar and I said, this is your job. Now, nice, give you mine back. Then, no, that thing, I have every ball you can keep your shatter. And then you guys are going to be a titan Fest on the fifth that's pretty cool. And then and then Iconic Ace of Spades on the twenty first of November.

28:44 That's that's pretty badass, bro. We cannot wait for both of those shows. Actually, titan Fest being the first festival we have. You know, the best way to describe that is, you know the minor leagues for for Metal, U're right there next to Aftershock and it's right right near after Shock weekends. So uh, you know, these are these are the bands that are trying to the locals, you know, all up and down the California scene, trying to to break in or if you know some we have you know Arsenal skitt all girls who've been massive back in the past. Uh, just California metal scene and. Yeah, and.

29:25 All all the guys that are working their way towards after Shock, towards Warped Tour, towards you know, all this and it still has that that that vibe that After Shock or Warped Tour, you know vibe that it's not just metal court, it's not just death. It's it's a mix of everything. You know, it's all these different musicians coming together for titan Fest and then Ace of Spades. Man, I mean, what could I say other than a dream come true? Uh to be with the heavy hitters of Mice and men. You know, I have videos being a kid, you know at Warped Tour, I ditched, you know whatever where I had to do that weekend at home. Found somebody else who's going there through you know, ten to fifteen bucks for a ride to San Francisco and Seene of Mice of Men playing on my probably I don't know where those call the Samsung Chocolate back then, you know, the little sliding phones.

30:17 I have a video of you know, rich motor videos of your bands. You know, Oh yeah, you were wanting to rich people. See I was like I had a flip phone. But you know what I mean, like just being a kid and seeing the guys in the Mice of Men and then now being in communication with him and Aaron Paul's uh you know producing our uh sorry, mixing and mastering our music now, nice. Dude, beautiful beautiful souls. In that band, and for them to give us this opportunity, we are putting our full heart and our whole foot, arm, leg, head, voice, finger, everything into that show. Uh. If you want to see the best version of us, come to that show.

30:59 If you can't make it that show, tell somebody to record it, because yeah, we're giving that show everything we got. Man, you know thirty minutes. They are killer dudes. They are killer dudes too, like yeah, as human beings. Only like to give us the opportunity of being on the show with them and open. At Ace of Spades. I never thought I'd get to play there. It's one of those places I've always under play, but also being as open as they are to be able to reach out and ask questions. Communications. Okay, you know like our drummer, he talks to their drummer. Okay, I got a question, and he's so quick and honest. It's great people. That's cool to hear. That's cool to hear. And I went doubt if Wimmer would be at titan Fest looking for some new bands to bring to the Wimmor festivals, because he does that ship.

31:45 You know, you know we are if we know, we know who you are, Danny. So I mean, all we got to do is get that twisted right of the way around and let him know who we are. And the only way you could do that is by putting on a good show. We got, uh some plans for that show. Yeah, even if people have seen us live, they're not gonna be ready for a couple of things that that day. Oh yeah, we had to scratch the plans for the T shirt cannon because we didn't know how expensive they were. But uh yeah, we we we pivoted. So oh man, that's the only reason I was going the T shirt. Hey, I got it, I'll throw I was gonna say, I'll get one of my friends and used to play football or something, just come and start throwing.

32:29 I just played bass. I can just stop. Right. I want. I want to see you throw picks, guitar picks as far as the T shirt cannon. Can that flick it? Yeah? I can think I can flick it further than I can throw. It depends on if you maybe uh uh. Car throw. Yeah, you're gonna get stories guitar pick throws man. Okay, so I'll give you a trivia question. Okay, speaking of guitar picks, why is Hetfield the greatest downpicker ever?

33:11 What's the strategy? Mmend, go ahead. It's gotta be something about the strings, right you? No, Nope. The I feel like I actually heard this before, and that's what's killing me right now because. Think about what we were just talking about. Clicking oh, because you play a lot of poker now. He calls the guitar pick with three fingers instead of and I'm thinking about when I heard that, and I'm like, yeah, that would fucking do it, because you're doing with two and sometimes it flies out of your hand, but with three, you have such a stronghold on that pick.

34:02 Yeah, being a bassis we used. We used three fingers too, so yeah, because I will. I mean, he uses. Guitar picks when he plays bass, so he's basically just more like a guitar pick. But I used the like Ernie Ball version of it. Yeah, I used to the one I did it. I used the bigger bass picks that Ernie Ball ones. Well, I also use the thinner ones because occasionally I don't use to pick. I'll go to fingers sometime on like a softer part or something, so I can easily not catch the pick when I'm playing. He keeps on him to slap the bass man. He's just like eleven bas. Okay, there's another trip. There's another trivia question for it. Who's the most famous bassist in history that started off as a guitarist and basically drew the short straw to be the bassis in the back? Is it nope?

34:48 Ship? He had one? Yes, that was a good guess. Katie's a freaking god. It's nothing different tool, is it Nope? You gotta go further back, rush I said, Getty. Getty is Rushy can tell you? You know, I know there's good ship there in Santa Claus but I'm trying to think we're back. Fleet. No, no, no, gotta go further back. See that. That's the problem I'm having in my head is the timelines. Yeah, he lays out, let's play well, all right, don't give you a hint. This artist still is around, still plays live. It's not but he was a guitarist in the early sixties before he had to play bass. Did you just say Queens is stone age? Yeah, they're not from the sixties that.

35:47 They hang up on it. I'm telling you That's the thing is like I I hold weird knowledge, but like years, I don't hold that. That is the one thing that's going to escape me. I would tell you Rush is from the eighties if I had to get. You know what I mean? And I know it's not. Russ is way older, but like you know what I mean, I can't relate a band to a year. All right. It's uh Paul McCartney. Oh damn, Beagles thought Beatles but didn't go Now. If you go listen Beatles now and just listen to hear him play bass, he's playing it like a guitar. Dang. I would have never even went that far. That's like a leaf versus me. Yeah, he plays bass.

36:30 But he's originally guitarist. Watch him, it's kind of the same thing. He does play a lot like a guitar. Yeah, because that's a habit already, you know. So I think if you start at bass, it's different, but if you go from guitar to bass, it's like you can't help but bring the guitar element into it. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I mean I've only been a bassist when I when my music journey started by becoming friends with musicians and they liked me as a person and they were like, you want to be in the band, And I was like I would, man, but I don't know how to play an instrument. And they're like, you sound like a basis. All right. I got the same thing. I was a singer and then a Jordan that with Jordan, and I'm not gonna have.

37:11 Sing over Jordan Blake. Yeah, he's like, grab a bass, yeah all right. I was doing keys for a second. So that that's where the music journey started for me. Man. So that's what I've stuck with. Well there you go. Well you guys kill it. Tell everybody how they can reach out to you. Buy your merch. They can't listen to my show unless say, buy your merch and uh, you know anything else we haven't covered that you want to know. I mean, thank you everybody who's listening. We are ourselves among others. You can find us at ourselves among others on everything TikTok, Facebook, Apple Music, Spotify, and Instagram seem to be MySpace soon to be MySpace coming soon.

37:52 You know, I hope my profile is still there. Profile is still there? How wild would that be? Like they turned a lot back on and it's like your same profile. I'd be really curious to see what's on my fucking profile. That's what I got it when I think justin Timberlake bought my space for a minute, and so everybody was going on and reactivating their profiles. But the one thing I heard everybody's feelings, they didn't back up your pictures, so all your pictures were gone. Oh well yeah, so no fringiness. Then maybe I wouldn't even know the email. I'm sure it had something to down Park back in two thousand and six, So oh yeah, I don't. I don't remember my email.

38:36 But I just thought of something too real quick before we end here, Like you meant you mentioned the band. I'm thinking, what a cool tour name that would be ourselves among us among others versus b That would be such a killer tour name. Yeah, I don't want to tour those guys. I love that those guys are definitely the boys. Just goes together. You know, you could tell I came up. You can tell I came up with it too. I reviewed them recently, but I've been at so many festivals I'll even remember which one it was at this point.

39:20 Was probably Incarceration, But I can't. Just played Incarnation and them. Did they play this walking to Rockfield? Yeah? I did both. I probably I think I talked to him and I've talked to him a few times, but yeah, I did. But those guys from top to bottom are just great people to talk to. Yeah, so there we. Go, that message on we we trust me that tour will happen before we hang up any any sort of. Don't that's just how you name it, just like that. You know that would be me. It just goes together like people. I'll bet you there's people that won't even figure out that the two band names are, like, I wonder what that means.

40:04 We'll get out of the like wait a minute, but yeah. If you're looking for merch, you can find it on the link tree at our Instagram bio. Uh. If you're looking for limited edition merch, you gotta catch us live. We try to do limited edition stuff just for the live guys. So two different experiences. We appreciate anybody who listens to a song. We respond to d ms if you want to talk to us. If you want to hang out, you know, come to a show. We're titan Fest. If you're local to the Central Valley, you're playing Modesto. What's the dame for the one right after a week out? We suck right? You guys should play at have been in November. You guys should play at I don't even know if it exists anymore, and it's not a venue. But I used to live in Brookdale, and you guys should play at the Brookdale Lodge. You know, the brook you know, but it's in the Sana Cruz Mountains. But it's like it's that town where the Brookdale Lodge. To do that works there, Like you see in the movies, changing the hat, he runs the lodge, he runs the restaurant, he's the police department, he's the postmaster, he's the fire person, he's everybody. Like, yes, that's all there is in that town or then. I don't know about now, but all I know is then, you know, all my friends living there all had sawed off shotguns signed their house because you didn't walk on their property for the obvious reasons back then. Yeah, you know,

41:37 like especially during harvest season. You know you didn't. You didn't walk on property there except me. I'd go up there during harvest and my friends would have like hefty garbage bags full, and they're like, hand me a baggy, go ahead, fill it up, take your pick, the good old days before the government got involved. Right, Yeah, you're trying to get us to go on another rant again, aren't you know? Right Well, you guys do rock, though, and you have enough of a rant in your music, and that's what's important, because music is the best therapy there is and the best solution to all the bullshit we have in the world.

42:19 Right now, so hey, I'll say say how it was told to me. Man, If my music can change one person's life, that's all that matters. I'm already seated that expectation. So now now we're just enjoying the ride. So uh. This song coming out soon. No release date yet, but it will be within the next month called make your Own Luck. And if you would like to hear our new song Rusted. Halo, please come and see us in November with the mice and Men and that is the day we are going to be dropping that song. Nice. Well, you keep fucking rocking and thanks for giving me a war inside inside this show. Great day, brother, Thank you so much for having us you.

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