Hillbilly Vegas Release New Album A La Mode - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hey, you love done to censure. See wow for you young dumb done. Tom is the right chom. This is the tite man here on the Adventures Man didn't work? Why Radio. I'm here with our next guest to h and they have some killer music. We're going to talk about their new album. And you know, we're lucky to have them today because they're in Oklahoma, kind of like it is here in Florida. We're supposed to talk to them the other day and Mother Nature would not have that happen.

0:57 So now Mother Nature is happy both of us because neither one of us have any storms, which is very rare, especially here in Florida. I mean, we have a storm three to four o'clock. You can set your clock by it from April till November every day. So we're blessed today to have Steve Harris from Hillbilly Vegas on the show How are You Hey? I'm doing good? How are you good? Good? And I love the name of your new album too a La mode as somebody who is a chocoholic and sugar addict like that. That's the first day I think of it, like that's a pretty sweet band.

1:42 That's right, that's that's what it's all about, you know, we did. I did a French magazine interview the other day and they wanted to know because to them, it means something totally different. Well, yeah, me, it means you see somebody coming around as the ice cream on top of your pie. So those are good times, so load out like, I love that too, you know, when you have different languages and different things have different meanings to them. Yeah, you know. I got laughed at once because our studio up until recently, for like eighteen years was in Wellington, Florida, which is a big equestrian community, and we had somebody that did show on our station. They were Argentinians, and they were talking about the whole equestrian stuff, and they would come into the studio and they'd have like this green herb that they were doing stuff with. And I heard them talking and I thought they said mata, which in Spanish in Mexican Spanish means pot. But really what they were saying was Monday, which is this Argentinian herb that they make tea out of that they drink like all day long.

2:52 So they were preparing us and they laughed at me because I walked down like oh, you can't do that shit in the studio. That what. Yeah, language sometimes. I know, right, But you know what's cool about it is that there is really not much of a language barrier when it comes to music. Like you go perform in these other countries. They don't speak an English, but they can sing your lyrics right back to you, no problem. I hear all American songs in the stores and restaurants and everywhere overseas, So you know. It's wild. It's wild too to me because like I do festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and when I go to Europe to do festivals, I'm driving down the road. I feel like I'm back in the eighties.

3:38 Yes, it's wonderful though, right, it's it's great. I mean, the fans are just rabid, you know, and and uh, it's just it's amazing to experience that overseas. They just they just think of it a whole different way. You know. It's amazing for a few things. Man. First of all, like yet a lot like I was in the height of the Sunset Strip days in La with all those bands, and a lot of the bands they disappeared off the face of the earth. I thought until I started doing the festivals in Europe. But like always, shit, they've just been in Europe all this time. Oh listen, I just did a festival. We just did a festival in Europe with wast and Lead to flour nice.

4:23 So Lena Ford's been in our studio because she lives here in South Florida, right. And then Chris Holmes and I and he's not in WASP anymore, obviously nobody. We hung out with him in England just recently too. Chris is a good guy, the friend of us. Yeah. I saw him for the first time in like forty years at Hell's Heroes and I used to hang out with him at the mall. Him and Mick Mahers we used to hang out at the mall. So hey, it is cool though, man like. And then when you go to these festivals over there, I always do like the dedication these people, like people over here can make all the complaints if they're like, campsite isn't the most plush thing in the world, and these people are walking for like five miles with all their camping here just to set up a tent.

5:13 I know, I love it. I love the way they react to music and the way they they are about it, so oil and everything, and of course you know it has its challenges obviously, but it's not the people. The people are great. But I will tell you I have all the festivals I do. One of my favorite ones, especially the camping part, is Oklahoma. Oklahoma is right down the road from us from where I'm at right now. It is about ninety minutes from me right now. Yeah, Oklahoma, I've never been. Really no, I don't want to spend three days outside in the summertime.

5:53 I'm not interested. I live right exactly. That's same for me, like here in South Floria. But that that campground is insane though, Like they have actually literally this local strip club has a big site and so at the end of the day after the headliners, there's a strip show out in the campground. There you go, there's like all. Kinds of shenanigans. It's pretty wild, uh, camp I know, I'm surprised that they had since your Oklahoma based they haven't invited you to play that festival because I think it right. In We've been invited a couple of times, you know. Unfortunately, unfortunately, uh it always uh interfered with something else that we were doing yeah, so so it's just never worked for us.

6:46 But yeah, we've been invited a couple of times, and I think the last time we invited we were actually uh out on tour with Ted Nugent, so nice, and we couldn't go back and do that. But yeah, it's just a couple of times. Just like the old south By Southwest, we missed out a couple of times because of scheduling as well, So so we missed a couple of them, but we've played most of them. Well, there you go, And so tell us about this new album. Hell, is it the same? How is it different from stuff you've done in the past, from you as the artist? How do you look at it? I just look at it as a continuation. I don't look at it as any different than you know. One of my favorite things that that was ever said in rock music is somebody was trying to be rude to Angus Jung and said, you know, ac DC's made the same album twelve times, and he said, no, you're wrong, We've made it fourteen times. So I wouldn't say it's the same album, but I would say it's the same must It's just it's like a continuation of a story or a continuation of anything you learn more, characters change, perspectives change sometimes, but it's still you and so it's you know, at the core, it's still us. Got some different influences in the band now, some guys that are new to this album that been in the band the last couple of years, and so they bring a different story to things, But it's all our story, and it's all character driven, and just like TV shows and things like that, new characters come and go and things like that,

8:17 So you just continue the story and let their experiences and their perspective have a piece of it too. So I just say it's a continuation of what we've always been. You know. I love that, see, because the way I look at is a true musician doesn't necessarily change. They evolve and just get better. Sure, Sure, and truly I don't want to change. I like what we do. I just want to do. I just want to make sure that we do it the way that we feel good about it and the way that we want people to hear us. And as long as we do that, I'd say the biggest difference this time is that we didn't go to a recording studio.

8:58 We didn't have any producer helping us on anything, or or input or anything. We did it all by ourself in our own studio. Mixed master, not master, excuse me. Everything. We just did it ourselves. There's no way, there's no outside influences this time. I would say that's the biggest difference, if there's anything. I think that's the beautiful thing about nowadays, right that you as an artist can make it sound exactly what you like. I'm like, you know, like I think of Metallica and when they did kill them all that they couldn't even go in for the mix and have any say in the mix of the album. And I'm thinking the artists should have all the say now. And normally that doesn't happen. We've been there to quite a few times. That's why we got out in Nashville because you know, I listen, there's no problem with Nashville.

9:47 I just it's not for us. I mean, it's a machine there, it's a factory, and there is along the assembly line. There is jobs. There's writers, there's producers, there's engineers. Their studio meansusicians and there's some guy at a label that tells you everything you're doing is wrong. And so if you interrupt any of that by writing your own songs or playing your own instruments, or wanting to self producer any of that, they suddenly don't like somebody being taken off the line because that's how they make their living. You know. It's like, yeah, Pittsburgh and steel, Nashville and music. It's just it's just a business. It's a factory city if you really think about it, for music, and it just didn't work for us, and so they would first album we did with that label in Nashville, we left thought we had a really good product, and when we got the finished product that had been had oh, studio musicians and studio background singers to it and things that we never even heard. And that happened to us a couple of times. And then finally we said enough of this and we're not doing that anymore. And you know, oddly enough, we've had our biggest success since we got away from all that kind of stuff.

10:54 I love hearing that because we need true musicianship. It's getty. It was getting away from that. I think it's starting to come back. You know, people like yourself and other people that are taking a stand that like, Hey, this is how I want my music to sound, and I think the artists should have that creative control. Well. Sure, and if you listen to our album, everything, everything is a first or second take. We didn't go any further than that on anything on the entire album. The rhythm section was recorded together and live. My vocals are continuous vocals, all of them. There's not a vocal on there that went past two takes. And most first takes were just sound level takes. And we don't use auto tune or any tricks or tracks or anything like that.

11:40 It's just it's how we are. And I know some of it sounds pretty smooth, but that's just that's just what we made. But it was recorded that way record even though it was undone on pro tools. We recorded it as if we were using two inch tape, by doing continuous takes instead of piece and words together here and there and things like a lot of those guys a lot of times, especially vocally, they want you to sing it five perfect times and then I'll pick out a word from each version to make up a sentence. And it feels so sterile and so not real anymore, and created and uh, so I don't like doing that. So I didn't sing anything five times, and in fact, I sang five songs a total of five times would be five songs nice to be honest with you. And if I get it, if I hit a wrong note or something cracks in my voice, you know what, God must have wanted it that way.

12:31 So I'm well, I think about some of my favorite albums from the past, and there are definitely mistakes on their Like even Zeppelin. That scream he does on the Presence album that wasn't on purpose. He was in pain because he broke his legs in the accident and they stood up, you know. And the same the same band. How could let be let Zeppelin those albums be those albums without the squeak and John Bonham's pedal. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. And you know, we used to think, you know, we used to think everybody in the seventies put that wooden block in there that was actually their uh it was actually their metronome going back and forth, and they just left it in there, you know, because now we take the click tracks out and all that kind of stuff.

13:15 But I mean, that's all that stuff was, and it was natural and you heard it like they wanted you to hear it. You know, those guys were those guys were champions going in there and recording them two itch tape. And you can't just punch in and out of everything and do the things that people do today. You know, now today somebody can sing one chorus and they'll plaster on the song five times, and so you're not getting anything different in the song. You're getting the same exact performance four or five times to the song because they just sing the chorus once and just paste them in, you know, and musten, that's fine. People want to create music, they should create however they want. For us, that feels horrible to.

13:56 Me, even with doing what I do and when I'm doing voiceovers and stuff, if I do it like different takes that are pieced together, it doesn't sound right because you have a different tonality. The tonality is different unless you're continuous. So I'll just keep going and you cut out what you want to cut out. But I'm keeping going, right. And I think I just think, I just think there's something to doing it the way that it was intended to be done. And there's nothing wrong with technology. You can still use technology and still do it the right way. No, that's I mean, we try that's what we try to do. We try to be as I'll say, take about our music as we can. And and it wasn't a budgetary thing because we had unlimited studio time. We could have taken a year to record the scene if we wanted to, but we recorded it in six days.

14:46 Oh man, that's amazing that that That is the art of a true professional musician that could do that, for sure. So hats off to you. Thanks, I think, I think unfortunately that's also code for your getting old and you've learned some things so you might hold you there's this sweet spot when your brain and your body line up when you're at your your your your your intellectual best and you're at your physical best. And there's a very very short period of time when you're in that window, and so you have to take advantage of that when that happens. And that's that's happened for us lately, especially on this.

15:27 Albums no doubt. So I how else I want to talk about? I like to talk about you know, ours passions outside of beings sick and I love that you make your own jewelry. Tell me about that. Well, I wouldn't say it's good enough to sell to anybody. I wouldn't anybody that. I don't know, man, I I'd like to have stuff that that is just mine, you know. I mean, you can go on Amazon and say turquoise bracelet, you get the same turquoise ba and listen, there's nothing wrong with that. But I see so many guys out on the road wearing those same bracelets and the same things and the same conco things you see on Amazon or you see in the store or whatever. I don't know, I'm just I want to be different. So you know, I remember when I was in seventh grade, I took leather work in a leather class, and I learned how to do that, and I thought that was so cool.

16:17 I made it twenty wallets, you know on some coasters. I think it's what you make in there. But it just got me thinking about it, and it's just just creative. I'd like to make necklaces. I like to make my bracelets and my jewelry just because I like it to be original, look different, and to be honest with you, I end up giving away most of it over the course of the of a tour, so I'm gonna say, oh wow, that's really cool, and I'll take it off and hand it to them nice, you know. And so then I come home and I get to make a whole bunch more. Listen, it's partly selfish. I like I give a lot of things away, but I like it because I get to come home and make more than I don't have any excuse, and you know I have to. I need more. And then those people they love it because they have merch that you couldn't get anywhere.

16:58 Yeah, you know. And it's usually I don't know. It's it's if I make a connection with somebody, you know, through hearing their story or talking to them at a meet and greet, or sometimes it's backstage and some some guy, oh, hey, I'm the promoter of this, so good to meet you. I love that thing you're wearing here. You can have it, you know, thanks for having us in it. So it's it's it's just something. My wife she used to hide things from me, a band memorabilia from me, because she said, if I don't, you'll never have anything to show that you don't have anything left. But she gave up on that because I just told her. Listen, I I don't care about keeping stuff. I don't care. I would rather have the memory of seeing somebody smile when you give it to them or whatever. I'm not one that's going to, when I'm done doing this, going to be sharing it on Facebook. I used to look like this. I used to sound like this, you know, when I'm seventy or seventy five or whatever, trying to relive things people might not even know I ever even did this. When I'm done with it, you know what I mean?

17:57 Yeah, totally. I also love the fact that you work with military veterans, because we've done a lot with that on the station throughout the years, and my son's almost twenty in the military, and uh, I think the vets need all the help they can get. So I want to hear a little bit about your about the organization Operation VET. Now, Okay, I'll tell you about them, and I'll start with how I came to Operation BET. Now. My brother in law, Garrett Spencer, he's uh, he's a retired command sergeant major. His son, Jackson, just graduated from OU law school last Sunday. He's a he's a officer now, and he'll be uh he'll be working in Washington, d C.

18:44 As AH and I like to tell you where, but anyway, he's in the military and and everything. And Garrett when he retired, he met Tony Operation Bett now and Garrett is on their U their board directors. My brother in law and I never met anybody that was a better soldier and a perfect example of a soldier than my brother in law and now his son. They're both just amazing and I just thought, if they're part of that organization, I want to be part of it. And Operation VET Now they mostly just you know, they're just really about camaraderie. They take care of their guys. They do it through music. A lot of them get together and just jam, you know what I mean, and play music together. They do rides, and they just want to make sure that they're there for each other when they're at home and dealing with things that only they can deal that they know about obviously, and those guys, I can't pretend to even know what they've seen and what they've had to do the last twenty five years that we've been involved in things overseas and what have you. And so I think it's a great organization and so we've always been pro VET because they're veterans in all of our families. But I will tell you there's something very special about the way that they help each other in the world. Way that they look out for each other and take care of each other and make sure that they're good to go back to their families and they have someplace to talk and have a good time and just forget about some of that stuff and just bond with guys. And so you know, to me, the greatest thing you can do is help

20:16 people get past some of the things that they've done and and make them feel better at home. And so any small thing that we can do with Operation bet Now, they always know that we're going to be there. I believe they're based up in Pennsylvania, and so they come to shows when we travel in the Northeast and things like that, and they're just a bunch of really good guys. I love it. I love hearing that because you know, there's good organizations as bad as you probably know, there's a lot of political between the VET organizations. They all like to fight with each other, and it's like, man, you're all on the same page. Man, work together. I know we got involved with a couple of them in our past, and we wanted to be involved with and unfortunately we found out that they were more about fundraising and less about helping, and so yeah, we we you know, backed away from those things. And once we found the guys that Operation Ben now we knew they were genuinely. We knew they were the real deal and that they really care and that they're in it for the right reasons. So that's our organization. Those are the guys we're gonna work with and stick with. Nice.

21:23 That's very cool. And you know, so I also want to talk real quick about Mister Midnight. That's a badass song by the way, thank you. But you got Paul Rogers helping out with that, and that's pretty cool. I assume that happened because of your other new band members and their connection to him. Yes, partly, Geraldo's been in the band for seventy seven years, but before that and well actually even now, Giraldo has been a touring member of Lobber Boys since then and Paul Dean the guitar so lover Boy his solo band, Giraldo wasn't that with him, and so in the two thousands, Giraldo started doing gigs with Paul Rodgers and his solo band, and then Todd, who actually started in Paul's soloban as well and then has been the basis for Bad Company since twenty eleven or so something like that. So he's the second longest tenured bassist in their history, next to Boss, the original guy. And so yeah, when those guys came to the band, obviously there was a line of communications that we could use if we wanted to. We didn't take advantage of it really much because there was no reason to. But the other thing is we also share a manager with Bad Company, with Paul and David Spiro, and David's in Iraqi in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He's He's Joe Walsh, Kat Stevens and Dickey

22:58 Bets and I mean Dave. It's great. And so David and Paul have been business together for decades. And so Todd said, hey, I got this song that we were doing in rehearsal getting ready for Midnight Rows, the album Paul just recently did a couple of years ago, and he said, this one kind of got lost in the shuffle and we didn't end up recording it, just listened to tell me what you think of it. He sent me an MP three of a rehearsal recording that was made by the phone, made by a phone, you know, And I'm listening. I'm listening to that thing, and I'm going, my god, Paul Rogers doesn't even sound like a guy in a rehearsal room with the phone. He sounds like the guy on rock and roll Fantasy. Sounds like the guy I feels like making up. He sounds amazing in a rehearsal room on a phone, man, you know what.

23:50 I'm listening to that going wow, you know. And if that's as far as the thing went. Just to hear Paul in a rehearsal room, I was thrilled to just be a part of that little fly in the wall. And Todd said, what do you think about doing that song? And I said, well, I think that for you guys who are just playing the music, no offense. But that's no pressure for you guys, you know. But if I got to sing something that Paul wrote it I just heard him sing, you know, we'll see see how we do. But luckily I'm not afraid of anything, so I said, yeah, let's give it a shot. So we put it together and I talked to David, our manager. I said, hey, Paul sing on this, and he said, yeah, I think he would. He said, let me send it to him and Paul. Paul loved it. He said that is fantastic.

24:34 He said, they don't need me to sing on it. It's great, but he said, but we want you to sing on it. And so Paul he put his vocals there and send it back to us. And to be honest with you, when he sent it back, I would say, we sent in the truck and listened to just just that little section that he did right there, just that little section that he did probably twenty times in a row. Not the whole song. Let's hear that, you know, It's just one of those things. It's little famboition at the moment, but once we got used to it, it just felt really cool to have Paul come in and knock out this really cool line and it's it's his song. And he said he was really kind of disappointed that he that that song got lost because he really wanted it on that solo album, but if it couldn't make it there, he was really happy that that it ended up where it has and and so then Paul and I exchanged some emails and he was really really lovely guy, and I love it and yeah, yeah, because you know, he's far away from me than Vancouver. He's in Palm Springs, I think, in the winter time, in the Vancouver area, Canada for the summertime. And so uh so he uh he and I became kind of pinpalace for a bit.

25:45 He's just been a really great guy to get to know a little bit and uh way more down to earth than you'd expect one of the greatest rock and roll singers in history to be. But I guess that's why he's made it as far as he's made it, because he's a good human being. That is what I say of time, Because I like, I have interviewed I've done over three thousand music interviews, but I've interviewed icons, and they're all almost all of them are down to earth, Like they don't even have any idea that they're like this legendary icon. You know, they kind of do, but they don't act like they do. They don't think about it. They just them. Well, I can give you a little insight. And I'm no icon, obviously, but I can give you some insight on that. When you're in the middle of the bubble, you don't know really what's happening around you. You're just doing your work, and like it's always a big surprise when you find out, oh really, you know, I told Paul.

26:43 I told Paul, I said, you know, for me, I wasn't of the age group for Elvis and Ed Sullivan and the Beatles and all that stuff. I mean, I love the Beatles, I love the Elvis, don't get me wrong, But I didn't have the life shaging moment like come out of those guys like Paul did when he heard Elvis or Mike when he watched the Beatles on Sullivan or whatever. But for me, I told Paul, might maya Ed Sullivan Beatles moment is when I heard you for the first time, and I thought, that is what I want to do. That is amazing. He said he couldn't believe somebody thought of him that way, and I was thinking, how can you not believe somebody thinks of you that way? But right, perfect example of what you're saying. You know what I mean, Because when you're in the bubble, you don't know, you don't know The most surprising thing to me is, you know, we've had now we've had six four top twenty and now a top ten and the top twelve single in America and eight of them overseas, and I don't even think about it. I don't think that people know anything. And then you see him lined up to see you four hours early at the menu, or you see the first forty rows of people singing your lyrics back to you, and you go, wow, how they know that? And then you're like, oh, how they know that? You know they've heard it? And so to me, it's the same thing. I don't I'm always surprised. I'm shocked, you know what I mean. But I say, four or five, six hundred people right in front of me singing the along, and the other thousand kind of you know, going with it too. But but but I guess you just kind of get insulated and you don't you don't really know

28:14 what's going on like that, you know what I mean? I yeah, And I even add to that, I just think because those are the people that are in it to become musicians, not rock stars, so they don't give a crap about the whole rock star thing. They just want to play their music. Well, the rock star thing is very short lived and fades very fast. And you know a lot of people, like you said, a lot of bands you think you're gone. You don't realize. Hey, you know there's a band I loved in the late eighties, early nineties and I thought disappeared, and I found out there in Europe all the time, and that's Little Caesar. Do you remember them? Yeah, yeah, I remember them, love man.

28:56 They were fantastic and they're still cranking it out overseas. I do. So. I mean the rockstar part when they're in America on MTV all the time, that kind of fades, but the working musician part still goes. You've laid that foundation right and you can do it for a long time. There you go. And yet my first concert, well my first verse was beatle Mania, but I don't count that because it wasn't actually the Beatles. But my first concert was lover Boy opening for Journey. So you mentioned lover Boy. It took me right back there, nineteen seventy nine, I think. All right, all right, and listen, those guys we were just recently with him and not playing with them. We just went backstage and hung out with them when they came through Oklahoma, and Mike Reno and Paul Deine have been just amazing friends to the band. They call when we're on the road, they'll call us and just congratulate us on the new single. Like Mike Reno just recently called us and said, hey, man, love the new song. Congratulations.

29:55 And we hung out with them backstage when they were in Oklahoma, and they were just the sweetest guys and they've been very support of it. Yeah, they're they're they're iconic guys because they just kept working, you know what I mean, They just work and that's and they sound amazing. I'm telling you, they sound amazing. I was just in awe of how much they sound like their record still, Mike, you know, I know they tune down, but but they do it in a smart way. You can't hardly tell. If you're not a musician, you can't tell. And my kids everything. And I asked, because I can be a little bit, you know, inside baseball, and I'll tell you you won't mind, because but I asked, I say, is he using any tracks or anything? Not a one, not even on what's that one that he hits that?

30:39 Uh? I mean, h's that huge incredible note? Is it turn not turn me loose? I I can't remember, but anyway, no love and every minute of it. He hits this this incredible high note and love and every minute of it on the album. And if I got hit it, he hit it live too. And so those guys they work. They they still sound great and they are just fantastic. So there's something like that, Yeah, there is. You know, there's some that aren't like you know, listen, one of my favorite bands ever is Slayer. But Tom can't hit those notes he hit in the eighties when he was screaming. He just does the growl now. But that I saw it last year at Hellfest the Scorpions and the and Priests played too. I thought the Scorpions blew Priest away like they were so good. It was amazing.

31:31 Yeah, and that's well, I'll tell you Another one is Ted News. We spent two and a half months with Ted on the road, and unless she told me what his age was, I would have no idea. There's I ended up. We got along really good with Ted. He's just a music encyclopedia and such a good guy backstage and whatever is outside personality is I'm not here to talk about that. I'm here to talk about the musician. Yeah, who cares anyway? You know, that's actually bullshit. And what I'll tell you is is that he's not one of these guys who wants you to be terrible opening for him. He wants you to be great. And when he heard us after the first night, he gave us the same dressing rooms that he had, the same catering.

32:12 He let us he was his crew, lights and sound. Everything didn't throttle the lights and sound, none of that. And then I ended up the last month of the Torrey, ended up singing with Ted every night with him. What I can tell you about that guy is that when you're standing next to Ted, there's this incredible vibration, this heat, this energy. And I would have never believed it if he just told me about it. But when I stood next to him every night and sang next to the guy, you could feel this energy and this heat. It's just I can't even describe it, you know, coming off of that guy, that was just like amazing. It was like electricity. You could actually feel it standing next to him, you know, he and I stole shoulder to shoulder I'm singing, it's just like this voltage is going through you and the guy has such energy and he he whips into stranglehold or cat scratch fever or.

33:01 I was saying, did you catch this cat scratch fever? When you were saying about the heat. That's exactly what must be. What it is, I don't know, but you just you felt this energy with them, you know what I mean. And it's just it's just one of those amazing things. And listening to him play every night, and then I mentioned one night backstages and then you know, I love Dog Eat Dog, and he said, you know what, we'll play it tomorrow. And the next night. Oh it was a badass, you know what I mean. And so so no, those guys that that that still do it at a high level. There's just a certain amount of energy inside them. And like I said, my example, my long explanation wasn't just that he has that energy too, but you can actually feel it radiating, you know, so very strange.

33:45 See I love hearing that. I love hearing that because forget all the hate on any artists for any reason or whatever. I've found that artists are just normal, down to earth people that happened to play music. Most of them are. Yeah, you know, you run into it. You run into some of those guys that I think highly of themselves. But I think those. Are the ones you were referring to, though, because that's how I I agree. The ones that were rock stars for one song twenty years ago and still think they're a rock star today, those are the ones. They were there. And they wear their Halloween costume from the moment they get up in the morning until the moment they go to bed and can't go out without it.

34:25 And it's always it's always like they're ready to go trick or treating, even when they're walking McDonald or something, you know what I mean. And gon, that's what they want to do. I don't have the energy, man, you know. I like these guys that just get up and act like regular people and then they take their lunch bell and they go to work, you know what I mean. And that's yeah, that's really it's all the same stuff. No matter what line of work you're in. You got to go to work, and you you you come across a lot of guys that do it right. And you know, I'll tell you another one. You're right heat we played with those guys overseas, and those guys are freaking amazing, you know, such nice guys and just such a band and a couple of the guys that I think the singer is the same one since eighty five and the guitarist is the original guy. And wow, I'm not well versed on you, bry A Heap, I'll be the first one to tell you, but I will tell you this, what a joy hanging out with those guys and and playing and playing with those guys and just spending time with them. Such nice guys. You see.

35:24 I love hearing that stuff, you know, I think the listener is near to hear that. It's like one of my favorite interviews ever, and I've interviewed them three times, is Leonard Skinner. Because they're just. Good old boys and like they're laughing through the whole interview, like it was just like they were just having a good time. Man. They have no clue to their Leonards Skinner, you know, they're just a good time man. This ain't real life anyway. This is just all make believe, made up stuff anyway, So we might as well smile and have a good time through it. Right. We get to do something is completely absurd if you think about it, what we do, it's it's goofy, but right, people like it.

36:04 It's fun, you know, hey. And more power to you because I played drums, I played guitar, and I sang it thrash metal and I sucked at all three. So the fact that you can be doing this stuff and giving us great music, I always like my tip my hat to musicians like you because it is not an easy road. For sure, No, it's not. But I guess musicians have this mute button when it comes to getting kicked in the stomach or getting knocked down, because we don't seem to fill it. We don't seem to notice it. Yeah, no, my wife. My wife said to me years ago, because I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you stand it. You get knocked down all the time and you never seem to notice it. It drives me crazy, and I don't notice. If you did, you wouldn't feel to do it. Disappointed. But but you have to be a forever optimist to be a musician in the first place.

36:59 True story, very true story. Anything else you want to share with the listeners. We haven't covered yet. That you got going on twenty twenty six. Now you know, we're just getting ready. We're getting ready to go back out on tour. I believe forwards the end of July and it will go through November in America and then we'll be overseas in early twenty seven back over there again. And the reviews for the album have been very good. I think that makes me so happy, because you don't decide what you are the people do. You don't decide what kind of music you play. People decide, and so we've been very, very fortunate that people are playing the songs. Radio has been great to us, and I just want to thank everybody for listening and think thank you and all the people in the media who have been so kind to us and have let us share their air and talk about what we do and appreciate it very much.

37:51 Well, thank you for giving us great music, because it is great music, and everybody needs to check out all the mode, get the new album, get your merch find out your tour dates, all that stuff, and support you guys because you guys kick ass. Thank you so much. I appreciate you very much. Had a great time today. Thank you very much, and thanks for being on the adventures of pipe Man. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin. I'm w for Cui Radio.