Hell’s Heroes Unleashed Cirith Ungol’s Robert Garven on 55 Years of True Metal

0:04 Hi, you live then too, censure w for see why were you young? This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and we're here at the Hell's Heroes Festival, which last night at the pre party there was a badass headliner for the pre party that killed it. And the drummer is here with me, So tell us who I got here.

0:47 This is Robert Gorvin, the drummer of Siris ngul Nice. I love it. You know. When I saw the lineup for this, I was like, man, I gotta do that festival, because this is the first year I've done this festival. Like I do all the DWP festivals. I do all the punk festivals, hell Fest, Bloodstock, Download grasp Pop, but I never did this one. And I saw the lineup, I'm like, holy shit, that's like going back in time for me. I mean, I bought your first album in nineteen eighty one. You know WHOA and you know who I can credit that to. I was saying this to Warlord yesterday. He used to go to this record store in the valley called OZ Records, and there was this record clerk there and we used to go in and say, hey, check this out and we always bought albums.

1:41 He told us to. Buy there it is, there it is. I was like, it's funny. I was saying this yesterday too. A few years ago. I saw him, uh somewhere. I'm like, hey, what's up, dude. I'm like, you know, that was I was thinking about. That was such a brilliant marketing move back then. He goes, eh, I wasn't doing it, margating. That was just a record store clerk starting my label, you know, but it was brilliant because I think without guys like him and Johnny's Zula, we might not be seen here right now today. You know, it does amaze me that I now go to festivals, I'll have like one hundred thousand metal heads like cause back then there was a small group of us, and then there was a small group of punkers, and we didn't get along with each.

2:31 Other either, which I thought was stupid. You know. Uh, but man, you guys were tight last night. I just have to say that. I don't know, after what has it been like fifty five years, how you guys still do it well. I love heavy metal, I love playing heavy metal. I love working on writing new heavy metal songs, and so you know. I mean, this is an amazing festival. This was our fourth time here and I think I headlined it at least once or twice. And we played outside on the big stage last time. But when we first played here, they weren't doing the outdoor stage. It was just indoors where we played last night. And I just a promoter. Everyone involved with it, you know, the whole festival is just amazing.

3:19 Why I've known it's already Okay, that's a lot of festivals is it's old school. It's run like it should be for a metal festival. It's not some big commercial money grab. It's for the fans. Well, this is the eighth edition, and I think you know, when someone puts on a festival like this, you know any issues they have, you know, if they are successful and they keep putting on festivals, every time gets better and better, and the acts, you know, I'm amazed every year that actual LYEP getting bigger and bigger. Like like I said, we headlined this place before, but after a while, you know, you know we're going to open for Judas Priest.

4:00 I'm not going to headline over them, you know what, I'm. Right, and you know what I like about bands like you and bands from that era is you could always tell the band just by listening to them for a couple seconds. I find nowadays a lot of these new metal bands they like, use this, they call it an algebraic equation to make their metal music, Whereas back then you're just experimenting and finding these new sounds. And like, if I hear one of your songs, it takes me a literally two seconds to no, it's your song, post it, try and figure out who's that, and like the voice is so distinctive that how could you not. It's like even the Big four thrash they don't sound the same, you know. And nowadays, when you have the all these micro genres and sub genre, it's like they put it so finite that the things that the adults were saying, well, I was good, Oh all that stuff sounds the same.

4:59 I feel like I'm saying that now. But for those bands, it's wild right. Well, the band started in nineteen seventy one, and me and Greg and Jerry, the original members, we were like in junior high school and we were assigned to read The Lord of the Rings by Jared Tolkien, and you know, back then, you know The joke is, you know, everyone knows Lord of the Rings, They've seen the movies and stuff. This was when, you know, I came home and tell my parents, you know, I have to read this book, The Lord of the Rings. They go, what is that? You know, no one's even heard of it. Plus you're a thirteen year old kid and a teacher hands you here's a seven hundred page book you got to read, you know, and you're going seven hundred pages it's like Warren Peace, right, And then they go, well, there's two more books the same length. You know you have to finish. But I think it made an impression on us. I think one of the weird things is a lot of people go, you know what your name's from the Lord of the Rings, and you know all your album covers feature l Rik, who is off a series of books by the English author Michael Moorcock.

5:57 Right, you know, how come you don't write all the stuff about that. And there's other bands, really good friends with some other bands that you know, you know that you know that they dealt deeper into that. And I think earlier in our career we did more like half of our music was sword and sorcery and half was kind of like what you consider proto. Doom metal, right, But you know, I don't know. I me and Tim always say, you know, it's like, even though those were major influences on the band when we first started, you know, they don't define us. You know, that's not what you know, what defines us as the music and as a world deteriorates, whether it's environment, politically, whatever around the world. You know, our music has got gloomier and doomier. But one of the first songs we ever put out was Death of the Sun and I wrote the lyrics for that, and it was about the sun dying and all of us getting melted and stuff.

6:48 So you know, we're we're not actually stretching to play doom metal. You know, that's kind of our original Someone told Tim once in an interview. They go, you're the grandfathers. Of doom metal, And I don't know if that's we might be the great grandfather right. And you know what I find too about the old school bands like you compared to the bands today is what the influences were. Like You're sitting here wearing a blue cheer shirt, which you know maybe get back in their time, they would be considered heavy metal, you know, but not by today's standards. For sure, by my standards, there still are me too. This is their best album to.

7:30 Yeah, so to me they are. I even argue that Cream is metal and that, you know, Jimmy Hendrix exactly Mountains like to me, Mississippi Queen is like one of the original I even argue that Helter Skelter is a metal song. Well, you're right, and Mountain actually is one of my favorite bands. And it's a first band I ever saw live nice and I think the first time I ever smoked pot. My neighbor lady, she took me to a Mountain concert, you know, and we smoke some pots. And that's when you'd smoke pot. You didn't even get stoned, you know, It's just kind of like you were being cool. But it was one of the best experiences of my life. And I'll tell you Mountain. Yeah, I've seen like a lot of bands over the years and Krki Lang on drums, Leslie West on guitar. Matter of fact, I recently did an interview with someone. They said it was in South America and they go, pick one of your favorite songs of all time, and I picked don't look.

8:25 Around by Mountain. You know, Leslie West, I remember him playing lead, you know, he just make the guitar like singing, you know. Yeah, and then Felix Papolardi. You know, it's funny they always had an argonist, but sometimes even in pictures of the band or on the album, they didn't even mention him or he's not even in the picture. And yet he was like a full member of the band. And what's so horrible about that? His name actually escaped me right now, But I mean, I don't know. I guess he was treated like most drummers are in bands, kind of second class citizens. Yeah, yeah, you know, And it's funny because I think the drums are what make metal, like guitars do too, and voice does too. But like I think of when Lombardo started doing double bass, you know, that was the start of thrash metal, where like we have udo playing.

9:18 So funny because. I have an actual story about this. But you know, when Fast as a Shark came out, bands like Anthrax, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, who I was all friends with at the time, they consider that the first thrash metal song ever, and it is pretty funny. So you know, we lost Ozzie recently, and I have an Aussie story that has to do with except So I lived in Agura, California, Lakelendero and used to I was just talking about this the other day. We're interviewing more and basically I had this, you know, a hill that went down to a lake. I told my dad I was sleeping over my bro's house. My bro said and to his parents, say, he was sleeping over my house. And it was New Year's Eve and we went to see Ozzy with Randy Rhoades, like a few months before he passed. We get home and we're sitting at the Boma Lake so my dad couldn't see me, and we're just waiting until morning so we could show up, like, oh, here we are. And my next door neighbor comes out, a woman, and she sees us in all the Ozzy stuff and she goes, oh, hey, did you boys go to the Ozzy concert last night? And we're like, oh, fuck, we're busted, and she goes, stay right there. I want you to I want my husband to come out. This is my next door neighbor. We're like, we didn't know what to do. Runners stay there. So we stayed, he

10:49 came out, invited us up to a house and he had a studio in his house. It was wall to wall cassette tapes and he starts giving us all this Ozzy swag. Turned out was Ozzie's promoter, Like who the fuck knew? But the best thing was he hands me this cassette tape. He says, this band is not in America yet, they're going to be huge in like six months. Check it out. And that was accept and heard that first song fast as a Shark. I was like, oh my god, now that song may not survive today with the track track track mentality. They wouldn't give it the ten seconds it would take to get into the song, the go what's this shit? And go to the next track.

11:38 And I think that's also a big difference of music than a posted today. It was almost like you went on a journey. Well it is a journey, right, The biggest compliment we ever had. Okay, so the band we started in seventy one. You know, we had our first three albums out, Frost and Fire, King of the Dead, One Foot in Hell, and we're working on Paradise Laws and right about that time, you know, the thrash metal bands were coming on and stuff, and we we actually, you know, to us, that wasn't our thing. And I'll tell you why it is, because you know, we considered that kind of like a hybrid like heavy metal and punk, you know, because we lived we you know, we lived through the whole punk.

12:18 Thing, and we all loved it. I saw the Dead Boys, you know, you said the first thrash song and thinking, in my head that's actually search and destroyed by Iggy or something, you know, And maybe I'm wrong, but we saw that. You know, it's kind of like not threatening us. It just is like it wasn't what we kind of we grew up on all the traditional heavy metal like the Blue Cheer. You know, people used to joke about us and stuff and say we're dinosaur rock, you know, but we've always stayed true to what we originally started at. And so the band broke up in ninety one and the hair metal thing was happening too, and we were just, you know, we. Were horrified by that. I mean, I got to be honest too. The one hair metal band I like was Winger, and I think their music was so good. It's like, you know, the hair thing was secondary. But anyway, so when that Paradise loss came out, you know, we're kind of like, we lost a couple of members and we're like, you know, hey, this is you know, there's no future for what we want to do or what we're doing, and so, you know, we kind of hung up our hat. But then in twenty fifteen, Jarvis Leatherby, you know, our manager, bass player, and he's you know, the founder and the bass player for a Night Demon. You know, he manages a bunch of other bands. He contacted me and said, you guys should get your band back together. I go, there's no way is that going to happen, you know, and then he goes, well, I'm putting on a festival here in our hometown of Ventura, and he goes, I want you to come.

13:48 Check it out. And he goes, after the show, we'll do a signing session and you know, fans may bring their albums, and you know, we're just blown away. We went and saw the bands and you know, we went to the signing session. We didn't know what to expect, and there was like people are in line, you know, with all our albums are signing it. You know, I'm saying you should get back together, and a gentleman from Germany, Oliver, who puts on a Keep It True festival, said, you know, if you guys get back together, you guys can headline our show next year. And then Jarvis goes, you know, I'll do better than that. I go, you guys get back together, you guys can headline my second Frost and Fire in your hometown. Right. And so, you know, we're talking.

14:30 About it, especially me and Tim because we're kind of like the you know, his vocals are so strange and my drummings so strange. That's what kind of I don't say that's what defines the band, but when you say you know instantly who it is, it's like, you know, uh, sometimes other drummers are insulted even sit in the same room with me because they think I'm you know, my style is so uh, you know, unorthodox. But anyway, we're talking about it, and we say, okay, well let's do let's do one or two of these shows. Have some fun. And as we started playing, you know, it's like a snowball rolling downhill. We started you know, getting excited about it, you know, and I consider myself, you know, a heavy metal musician.

15:14 Right. So as soon as I started playing again, you know, let's write some material, let's write some music, right. So I'm bugging all the guys in the band. So we started making music. We put out a single Witch's Game, and people are like, oh my god, I can't believe you know, these guys are still they can still do it, or they sound someone said they sound just like Serahungle And my joke was if the Beatles got back together and they had a single, they'd go, wow, they sound like the Beatles. But the biggest compliment was when we had our first full length album, Forever Black. One guy Rod he goes, this album sounds like it was written in the nineteen eighties. There you go. I don't know. I think the music was better than except for Dehairmental. So it is funny too because I went to shows in laf Slayer Metallica left LA because they couldn't play with I saw a striper open first Slayer like because that's what was going on, and I used to be backstage.

16:11 So I was friends with a bunch of bands, and he used to watch what the record labels did to these bands, specifically to hairmel I'm like, that's why I left music, basically, like the scene never left music, just the scene. And I was like, yeah, fuck this, Mike, I'm not posing out on my passion, like I'll pose out in the business world, but not in the music world. And it it almost did destroy metal forever, and thankfully it didn't. Metal will never die. That's true. Metal will never die. That's it. It's like when I talked. To people of men and women.

16:51 And I talked to people and they're like, oh, I used to listen to metal, Well then you were not a metal head like you. I don't know a real metal head that says A used to listen to metal, you know, And you know, people like our age will get shade for you know, I'll drive down the road blasting as loud as I can and aren't you a little old for that? You know what? Fuck off? No, it's it. They don't get it. They don't get what it is. The best therapy there is too to me, Like I had something really really bad happened in a couple in the past couple of years, and I went into a mosh pitt and I got all that shit out in the pit instead of out on the street, you know, and it's like, I think people don't understand what metal's all about. Funny story, I had to cover two festivals one weekend. Of course I couldn't be at both, so I had employee Mine. I was like, hey, I want you to cover this festival. She had never been to a rock show ever. She was a country girl, and I literally said to her, I'm like, listen, you're gonna have the best time of your life. Here's what's gonna happen.

18:01 First of all, it's not like your country shows. We have a bunch of rednecks getting drunk on Jack Daniels and beating the shit out of each other. And you think it's so scary with the mash bits, I'm more scared with those people. You're gonna make all kinds of new friends, and you're gonna probably meet some dude, and you're gonna see we're just one big family and that all loves each other where there's no outsiders. She came back after a weekend. Oh my god, you were so right. I have all these new friends, and I tea bag some guy and he's now my boyfriend. And I have this new favorite band. They're called Bring me to Horizon. I'm like, yeah, I think I might have heard of them, you know, And it was just like a perfect conversion.

18:46 People need to experience it. I even think, you know, if we want to solve all the world's problems, whether it's the eighties now or whenever in time, just have one big music festival that's a metal festival and everybody just going to the mash and work it out and there you go. We don't need anything else. Yeah, the metal community around the world's amazing. We were playing somewhere like a big show like VAKA, like eighty one thousand people or something, you know, and I think it went three days and I never saw a policeman. I never saw anyone get arrested. I never saw anyone pushing anyone in line. I call my wife. We live in Venture, California, and there was like a band little they have like a small little surf festival thing called surfer Adio down by the beach.

19:28 Yeah, And I called her and I go, how was that. She goes, well, there are three hundred people, and within a couple of hours there was like a police riot, like people were fighting and punching each other. And I go, oh, just with eighty one thousand people for three days, and I never saw a cop or a fight. Or no doubt. It's always like that. They're all everyone's drinking. And but you know, I think I think the Metal Festival, I think what it is, it's it's a whole group, like a family, and we all have some common you know, shared kind of vision or morality, you know, And even though the music's really dark. You know, I think they're the nicest people. But you know, it's like people like watching horror movies and stuff like that. Yeah, that's why I like our doom stuff because it's kind of you know, someone said it's like prophecy, you know, prophetic or whatever, you know.

20:17 And Tim, you know, I've written some of the songs over the years, like Legions Arise, you know, King of the Dead, Death of Son, what have you. But Tim's latest batch of songs, you know, is he considers himself kind of like Jim Morrison, kind of like a you know, a wandering poet or something. And some of it's really good. I mean, I if you read our lyrics, you know, they're on multiple levels. And I was expecting you to ask because someone asked me they go what does this lyric mean? Or what what does that lyric mean? You know, and Tim goes, well, read the lyrics, you. Know, So yeah that they may because like you've already been asked that question ten million times, like. How'd you get your band? Meme? Like you explained it, but I was never going to ask it. But I do get a lot times about my radio labe. It's so funny all the baths, they always like where'd you get? And they make up shit, they'll write songs during the interview, and really it's just my last name made into a nickname.

21:13 I have a funny story about that. We were playing rock Hard and Gelsenkirk and Germany amazing. Okay, So near our little hometown, there's a place called Foster Park and there's a place of Foster Park Bowl and it's kind of like a small Roman amphitheater maybe holes maybe five hundred people max or a thousand maybe if you crammed them in there. We played there a couple of times when the band was first starting, where we even had a singer. So it's just like a three piece instrumental thing. But anyway, you know, it's like a giant Roman kind of Colisseum, right, you know, in Athens, Greece. So we show up at this place in Germany, drive up, drop off some merch or something, and I'm a Jarvis who walk over the edge and I see this giant amphitheater and it's just like the one I kind of grew up playing at, but like maybe fifty times a size.

22:00 And I go, hey man, this is going to be a good concert anyway, So we'll be and Tim were walking around through the crowd looking at you know, T shirts and stuff, and I want to interview us for the German TV station. It was going to film the thing, and the lady came up and she's asking us a bunch of questions and she goes, is it true that you speak Elvish? And I said, well no, and I go, actually, if we did, we'd have pronounce the name of our band correctly, because in the books pronounced like with a K, like Krathungle. And the joke was, you know, even though we were signed to read this as kids, and I've I've probably read The Lord of the Rings three times through, I never spent the time to read the appendixes where it told you how to pronounce you know, the words are speaking Elvish, so we told the lady, no, we didn't speak Elvish.

22:47 Sure. And speaking of stories, what would you say is like your most memorable story story in the past fifty five years, crazy, good, bad, just the one that like really sticks out in your mind. We played a festival which used to be in East Germany, you know, called Chaos to Sins. It was named after we have a song on our third album, when Footheld Cast of Sins. So we're out in the middle of this forest and there's like mountains and there's a river running through it, and you know, we were on stage if we're playing, we're playing a song chaost to Sins, you know, and I'm looking up. I can see the stars and i can see mountains with trees on it.

23:32 You know. It's like I don't know it's it's And I could. Feel the vibrations underneath me, and I kind of almost felt like I was connected to the ground. And I can hear the people in the audience over you know, we play loud. This was a pretty amazing setup there. They had like a pretty great sound system and stage and I could hear the crowd, Like Jenny, Chaos to sins and I looked out there and I just felt like, Wow, this is you know, this is the most amazing thing I ever felt in my life. And the weekend, the band's son Oh. You know, they play, you know, I think some of their songs have one card in it or something, and. They hold the guitar over their head and. We're backstage and they had a rack of like bog machines, you know, like most guys have a rack or like maybe guitar effects.

24:18 I think they had two of them. It was like maybe ten bog machines in each rack and stuff. And what was kind of funny. We were over, like you know, in between shows or something before we played, and the guys in son Oh came over and he said, well, they'd tour to the band and they'd like just in their fans or something. And we were joking because you know, you know, they wear like outfits where you can't see who they are, and we wish, you know, sometimes we you know, had a face mask on or like a cloak over our head or something, because they could just walk around through the whole festival and no one even, yeah. Ask them who they are. But yeah, so then we watched them play and it was just amazing. I mean it was so loud and you know, the vibrations from the stage, and so I would say my best experience was probably at that festival, just because it was just so primitive and I mean not technologically, but you know, you're literally you know, and when you think something like Woodstock, this beautiful area and it's descended on by all these people and kind of mess it up, this place was so pristine, you know, and the stage was so perfectly located that you know, it didn't affect the environment or the nature or anything around it.

25:29 It was just kind of part of it. You should also look into, like have you heard of the organization called Savage Lands. Oh, so they're really cool. They plant trees with metal bands all over the world to save the planet. You know, they planted a bunch this year at Hellfest, you know. And you have bands like High Long that's involved with them, and a lot of like the European bands are very involved with ement. It's like a totally cool concept, sure, because it's just like it just shows how much us metal heads really do care about everything. I love all that. I'll look into that.

26:10 Yeah, I'll send you some info. I'll send you, like the. Website, you can check it out because it's like, it's like amazing. And do you know the band Heylen. Yes, yes, yeah, so like they're the perfect band for that, you know, type of thing, and they're very involved in There's a bunch of other bands are involved in it, and they just they're just planting trees all over the world and all and it's metal and the environment connected together. Well, we need more trees. Yes, a lot less. You know, I flew in here from Costa Rica. You know, one day I'm surfing in Costa Rica. The next day I'm in a pit at Hell's Heroes in Houston, Texas. But yeah, pisses me off every time I go there too, because they keep knocking down trees to build more BUI holdings. For what you know, it's like something as pristine as Costa Rica should stay pristine.

27:07 We got plenty of places where you could build buildings. Like you look at downtown Houston. Okay, I'm cool with that. That's downtown Houston. That's where the building should be. They'll knock down the trees and get rid of the wildlife. Well I have nothing left, man, except a bunch of stucco. That's why I feel in Florida. I live in Florida, I feel it's just all stucco. Well, you mentioned you hung out on a sunset strip and stuff. I kind of want to talk about this. Our last album that we put out was actually, you know, we were going to have like, okay, so our last studio album, Dark Paraye, which I think was freaking amazing. It was like some of the best stuff that we've ever done. Very dark, really heavy, a lot of cool songs on there, a lot of great ideas and stuff, very consistent, you know, kind of flowed from you know, the beginning to the end, you know, and the kind of fashion. I think it's like a near like a perfect album. And it's not a theme album, but it had this theme unning through it. So we were going to do a helm release party, and between the record company and Jarvis and I'm not sure who came up with the idea, they go, well, why don't you guys have the party at the Roxy on a sunset strip, and metal Blade goes okay, So we're going to record it and make a movie out of it, make a live album, and so we were all okay, uh, and we played at the Roxy like in the nineteen eighties, you know, and I think Brian, you know, from Metal Blade Records, he put on a couple of shows back at the time when Middle Masacre his first album came out. Yeah, and you know we played with Omen and Bitch and

28:39 some of the other bands. Well I miss Bitch, yeah yeah. Well they just played in our hometown, like Jars put on a Frost and Fire five just within the last. Couple of months. Yeah, Bitch was there. I should have been there. I've gotten to so many at our shows. So anyway, this was going to be at the Roxy, and since we had a history of playing there, we're kind of all excited about it. And all the guys came out from you know, the record company in Germany and here in the United States, and you know, it was packed, and we always have this joke, you know, they had to deal like, you know, if it was sold out, you know, you got extra money for playing, you know, right, And I think the maximum capacity was like five hundred and forty people, and for some reason, we always have five hundred and forty three or four hundred and forty three people. You know, it's always seven people less than the sellout thing, and we're always joking that, you know, you know, I don't know whether that's always rigged right.

29:35 You should have described people up the street. But anyway, it was. It was a fantastic show and it came out really good. But what I was going to say about it is like most live albums, I've always loved live album but sometimes they didn't sound. All that great. But we took the feed straight off our inner monitor mixer thing. I was just amaze, you know, the clarity of all the instruments that ms the guitars and the bass and vocals and everything came out near perfect. And for any of your listeners, you know they haven't seen the band live or aren't able to can't make it out to one of our shows, if they go on YouTube or pick up the album on Metal Blade Live at the Roxy, I think they'll be surprised because it was pretty awesome.

30:20 I love that because the first club show I ever went and went to and my life was at the Roxy and it was Motley Crue, but before they had an album, so they weren't glam or hair mel yet. They were more like horror punk and I remember they were trying to burn the Roxy down to bring Satan in to the club, and I remember saying to myself, oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert ever again. And that's what starred me on going to like every club show there was, and you know, you were mentioning bitch. I saw them a bunch of times. One of my favorite bands who actually came out when album a few years ago for the first time in like thirty five years or something with Savage Grace. And now I have kids and I tell my kids' stories of back then, and you know how your kids are that they're like, yeah, sure, Dad, they think you're exaggerating, and of course we don't have a proof, so like they think you're full of crap. So I actually at the country Club in Resida, I ended one of Savage Grace's shows, not that they ended because of me, but on the last note, climbed up onto the Marshall stack, did a swan dive. Crowd moved while it was mid air, and I knocked out my teeth and it's not fun.

31:42 And then of course the security like kicked me out of the place, you know, because they didn't want a lawsuit or whatever. And so after that, like Savage Grace pretty much went away and I never really saw him a now. I used to hang out with them all the time and i'd roady just because they were friends of mine. So I get this email a few years ago and it's like, oh, Savage Grace new album. I'm like, holy shit. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll definitely interview them. I contacted the Bubblicist right away. I'm like, yeah, definitely interview. And I get on with christ and I go, I don't know if you remember, but you know, and we were doing this in the interview, but I'm the one that did the stage dive that knocked off my and knocked out my thing, and he goes, yeah, I.

32:31 Saw your name. I immediately remembered. He goes, I felt so bad. I wondered whatever happened to you? You and I used to tell my kids I was known as like the most tragic thing that happened in La Medal, and he said that in. The interview, like word for word. He's like, you were the most tragic thing I ever saw in La Medal. And so I played it for my kids. So I'm like, see your Dad's not full of shit. You should have a statue on a sunset strip, right, dedicated to. You, right, But yeah, lots of stories like that. You got lots of stories. And I'm so happy you were here at Hell's Heroes once again. I didn't even know you were here for four times until last night. And then I'll tell you what I really love too. You're playing and then all of a sudden you went into that drum solo. Nobody does that anymore. That was badass.

33:26 Actually have a thirty minute drum solo, but the guys in the band aren't really fans of drum solo. So I used to play it at the end, and kind of my theory was, you know, it's like the end of the show, so any extra energy I had, I can pump it in, you know, and do this amazing thing. And Timshall, you can't do the drum solo at the end of the. Show because people get. Bored, they'll start leaving and stuff, And I go, well, they're going to leave anyway. It's the end, right, So now I do it after Black Machine. And well, I dug it, so you can tell him that no drum solo needs to stay in. Yeah, I love it. The other joke is, sometimes, you know, we're playing and if someone breaks a string, you know, like a bass string or guitar string or something, then that's my cue because I you know, I'm a drummer. I always want to do a drum solo. You know, I want to play cow bell, you know, hit my gong whatever, you know.

34:17 On our last couple albums, there was like a joke and goes, look, you have one song you can do the cow bell on, and I'm like, why can't I do it on all eight songs? Like more cow bell? I love it so but you know, I just wanted to say, playing here at Hell's Heroes amazing. I'd like to plug another festival because the last time we played here, we went on and played this festival in Tulsa, Oklahoma, two minutes to Tulsa, and it's as amazing as Hell's Heroes, but it's not that well known, and the promoter guy's so cool, and it's at a place called Caine's Ballroom that Mountain played at a bunch of famous people. Matter of fact, backstage, in the manager's office, there's a hole in the wall where Sid Vicious punched his nice and so what they did they hung a frame around the hole in my all of life with the thing on there.

35:05 So if anyone gets a chance, they got to go check out two. Minutes to Tulsa. But I also want to thank you know, a record company in Metal Blade Records, all the guys here at you know, Hell's heroes, but also the members of my band. You know, Jarvis, he got us back together armand stepped in when a couple of the guys you know had some health issues and had to leave. And Tim are an amazing singer, you know. Just being able to share the stage with people that you know, I consider my metal brothers is like an honor for me. And to share the stage with all these other incredible acts, it's just fucking awesome. I love it and tell everybody too how they can reach out to you guys. Buy your merch because they can't listen to my show if they don't buy your merch, because that's the only way get to the next gig nowadays.

35:51 Well, we're on band camp indy merch. You can go to the Metal Blade website. Also we have a Facebook Instagram. You know, I won for myself personally, but then we have band ones, you know, so as you can find us pretty easily. You know, we're we're not hiding anywhere, even though we're hiding in Plainside. I love it and I'm so glad that you were here at Hell's Heroes. And thanks a lot for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man. Hey, it was an honor, and thank you for let me talk about the band. This is Robert Gorvin, the drummer of Surathungle and I'm here with the Pipe Man W four CY Radio.

36:40 Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin. I'm w for CUI Radio.