Expellow’s Road to Wacken: Friendship, Music, and Breaking Barriers on Pipeman Radio

0:04 Hi, you have done here, that's sure. Fore wow, cra you you. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventurers Pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with Hi. WE'REX fellow. I am nick I'm doing the vocals. I'm Nicky. I'm doing guitars. An Daniel also playing guitars. Nice here at Vadkin, Like, tell me the story of the road to Vadkin. How you got the vodking, because like, I don't mean how you drove here or whatever, but I know you got and you could tell me that too.

0:50 But I know you guys did did some great things to uh, you know, basically get here and be able to play at Vadkin. So tell me about it, all right. It all started in twenty twenty five and we have never played the contest before. And then Marco, our manager, signed us up first for the Blood Battle, which was like playing for a slot at bud In Blues Festival, and it was it was a terrible show on our site. We came in like second or some things, but we didn't cut a slot and then we were like we never played contest again. This sucks, man. This is like it's like there's a reason we've never done this. I mean, we just suck at it.

1:34 And then was then all of a sudden there was like the applications were open for Walking Metal Battle, the Swiss edition, and I mean we have been passive for many years. It was like Kenna, and then then there was a pandemic and ship and so it wasn't really in our minds and in anyone's minds, and then we. Didn't want to. And Marco was like he started to fill out the form and then like but then he kind of canceled. And then like one from the organizator organization promoters here was like, hey, Mark, I've seen you started filling out the form. Just finished it, man like nice, finished the form and and and apply and we'll we'll see and and then we entered the contest. And first of all, we had in our semi finals we were up against Safe Your Last Breath, and they were here on Monday actually with the fucking on the Greenfield Foundation in the landcast now, and but we thought like, okay, we have zero chances against them, and for some reason we made it in the finals.

2:42 And in the finals were like. Wait, wait, wait. For some reason, probably because you're fucking good. Okay, maybe I'll say it for you. I think we had like and in the finals also, there were like eight bands in total in the Swiss finals, so a lot of bands, and they were all really really good, and so we were we went in there like again, like, there's no way we're gonna make it against all these seven other really really good bands. And then again, I mean it was the best of the best from Switzerland. You know, it was the Creme de la crem So. Well, there you go. And then we kind of made it. And then we came here and again there were like twenty nine other bands, and we were like, yeah, I mean playing vocan in and of itself is like as a price, yeah, and the big honor and the connections and everything, and.

3:36 Yeah, we actually thought, and I think I speak for all of us, we thought the price was playing here just you know, this twenty minute slot, that was the price. I think I knew that there was a contest here too, but. Like I didn't know there was a contest here. I thought, I know, they just give those bands all a chance to play here for twenty minutes. I mean, sure, watch, but. It's it's just you know, an honest platform for everyone, and I thought, that's so nice to play here. You know, they just give those prices for playing here at Vokan, And they were like. You thought it was like a ruffle or something like that Domini announcement.

4:18 Oh not at all. I didn't even think. I thought winning the local Metal Battle was like that was the final and then you're like, yeah, you win a slot at Vakan, and then there's nothing more. I mean kind of this is it is. It is a price to play here and this whole experience. Of course, it's a price. That's why I thought that. So yeah, and then we came here, everything went really well, and then we kind of want the entire International Metal Battle for some reason. And now we're back here again and we just played the Headbanger stage that we played last year too, and it was it was incredible. We loved every second of it, but was We were kind of kind of thrown into this and didn't expect to come this for honestly, but we really love that it happened this way and we're really grateful for the whole experience.

5:14 Yeah, I think the reason it happened part of it is that you didn't think you were in a contest, so then you were just playing, you know, no pressure, no mind games of yourself. It was just like we're just playing. You don't even know you're in a concert in a contest, you know. But the thing is too, is like I can tell your real musicians because you have no ego, like the fact that you have the attitude you did. It's why you won in my in my opinion, because like listen, there's a lot of bands out there. They think they're God's gift to music and they don't go anywhere because true music just want to play music. You know, they don't like sit. I always say, true musicians aren't looking to become rock stars. They just want to play music. The people that try to be rock stars are the ones that never are rock stars.

6:14 I think that's really our vibe too. Like we love playing live shows, right, It's just I mean, I personally don't like studio work that much. I like it that much. I love being on stage. You maybe I have seen the show. I need the movement and the energy and just. Like dancing around on stage. It's just it's just so cool. I love it. It's kind of like when we had the COVID Lockdown and bands were doing live streams like without the crowd, it's a totally different vibe, Like how can you feed out off a crowd that isn't there? Yeah, you know. I mean it's an interaction, it's it's it's always an interaction.

6:57 We also don't refer to people listen to our music as fans. It's more like our friend us our friends, because we see ourselves as like a bit of We see ourselves like some kind of a big family. That's the way it should be. And we don't see. Ourselves as like above them, like even like we are on a stage, but like it's still an interaction between two I think sites of the same thing. Listen. It's kind of the reason Metallica is as big as they are because they always say, especially Hepfield when they're playing a live show, the Metallica family. You're part of the Metallica family. So I think that attitude creates the family, creates the community, and it creates everything that makes you not artists fan, but just you're all together, engaging with each other, having a great time.

8:01 Yes. Absolutely, yeah, it's like you come to a show without people. I think if there's no one in front of stage. It's not sure you can play for yourself, right, It's also great, but it's absolutely fun. It's different, but. It's like the interaction, it's like fifty percent or more of it, definitely. Oh yeah, Like what kind of feeling is it when people start singing back your songs, like your lyrics like that. That's surreal seeing people sing lyrics right in the crowd today And this is so this is still like so surreal that. I mean, at some point I've wrote something and now other people are singing this and this is just.

8:42 Oh my god. That recently started. Yeah, it recently. Started people singing our our choruses and and and shouts and everything. It's amazing. The biggest compliments actually, I mean, I mean I sing, I'm like offstage, I'm. A bit like more introverted. Like most artists are. But when I when I look, when I go to a show, when I watch the show, it's gonna I'm I'm like, I'm more observant, but like there are certain. Bands that that.

9:24 Touch me in a way that I gotta sing and that I get out of my shell and I feel like, I mean, everybody's different, but seeing. Other people do that at our shows. Is like a huge and it's it's such a huge compliment. It's something I will never take for granted because it's like, hey, I somehow this resonated with you, and I'm so glad it did, Like so cool. Because isn't that a big part of playing music is like it's therapy. It's therapy for you the artist, it's therapy for me the listener, you know, And so that's where that connection comes from it And it doesn't have to be the exact connection, like you may write it with your own meaning, and a true artist lets the audience put their own meaning to it instead of it has to mean this.

10:18 Yeah, I mean, I mean we do something and it touches you. That's all the matters, And that's all that matters. Exactly. Who am I to judge how it touches you? When I mean. The way we play it touches us, the way you receive it touches you. We're on the same page exactly. I do love that recently has started for people when they announce a new song, When they released a new song, they often will choose the wording song X y Z is Yours Now and I think that's a. Really beautiful way to word it. Yes, because it now we've made it, We're not putting it out there. It is yours now. I mean, it's still kind of ours because we made it. But it's also the moment as an artist it gives you put out an artwork, any sort of artwork, you leave it up to the interpretation and to whatever the audience or the people who receive it, what they make of it, what it means to them, what they creative it, what stories they attached to it. And I feel like this is part of this interaction between artists and audience that makes us two sides of the same coin, where none.

11:37 Is above the other and what keeps arts alive and soulful. Actually profit twice from this because. We can play the songs we intended, like how they're intended to how we feel them. It goes to you, the listener. You receive it, it touches you, and then you come back to us and tell us it touched me so much. I had such a great experience listening to you. And that's what comes back, And that's actually why we profit twice of that. Right. That's where you're smart too, because I don't have respect for artists that write a song and somebody comes up to him that really resonates with and they say what it means to them, and the art says, well, that's not what the song means, and there's that's just why would you do that. Let the person put their own, like you said, interpretation to it, because that's the point, just like you said, any art, Okay, you take a painting.

12:42 Everybody can look at painting differently and get something different out of it and probably not even what the artist meant. And it's a perfect example because my dad was an artist and I have one of his paintings on my wall that it tells me everything about his personality. Okay, but other people that come in my home, including my kids, and look at they see something totally different because I'm seeing it through his eyes because I know him well enough, but they're just seeing something else. Like I have this one pain it's like a forest with a lake, but it's really dark, and like one of my kids will be like, oh, yeah, it just looks like a pretty lake and thing, and I'm like, to me, that was the darkness in my dad's personality in that painting. But nobody else is going to see that because they don't know.

13:33 They don't know what he was thinking. I knew what he was thinking, and that's why I can see it. And it's the same way as song like they're one of my favorite lyrics ever in history, only because it's a brilliant lyric and I kind of relate to it. But I also think it's just brilliant. Is I can't drown my demons they know how to swim? Oh my god, it's fucking brilliant. Like my when I'm said, it's the song I'm playing all and all again, like for twenty four hours all again. Right because because it's so true, Like for me, it's true, like you try to keep drowning it, but it's there now.

14:17 Is that what Ali meant by it? I don't know. Ali wrote it in rehab, so maybe it meant the same thing, but I don't care. And I'm sure he doesn't care what it means to him. It means to him and what means to me. It means to me, And a true artist gets that absolutely, you know. Critic sample I would, however, I think, like name one exception to that rule of artists, like not going out there and be like, it's not what it means. And that would be if someone would like take a song or a lyrics with it and would like interpret it or in a. Hateful, racist, fascist, whatever way.

14:58 That's that's the moment where I like, go out on set. That's not what I meant. I'm with you on that. That's like the one except other than that, if I think, especially on a personal level, if someone says to me, this helped me through a rough spot in my life or something, absolutely fine, it's it's yours. Yeah that's different. If you're using it for. Hate, I'm happy it did, but like, yeah, that's like that. But that's like the one exception I would I would make it. It's yours under this condition, right exactly. But I'm all for that because if you're going to take it and turn it into some kind of negative bullshit, then no, I don't want you to. If I were the artist, I wouldn't want you doing that, you know, like to use it to hate people like you said, racism, anti anything, you know, anti any human or whatever. It's one thing. If you're taking and apply it to your own life and it helps you therapeutically, that's the point the stuff you're talking that's not therapeutic, that's just being an asshole to be blunt, Yes, exactly, you know. Yeah, And there's no room for assholes in metal, that's my opinion.

16:12 That's why we're here to get away from the assholes. Listen. I live in Florida. I'm fifteen minutes from Resident Rump. Okay, yeah, I love getting out of there. I live on an island, so I'm like, the crazies are over there, and thank god I'm going back on tour and doing festivals because I gotta get the fuck out of here, you know. And I don't even understand why people spend so much energy on hate, on things that they don't affect their life in any way, shape or form. What do you care what other people do if it doesn't affect your life and you're not purposely trying to hurt anybody.

16:55 Yeah, you see, a good example is. How the people reacted in the people reacted in the live stream, and it cost me nothing to paint my nails, and the reactions were so dire. People invested more energy. Than ever and Rainbow and my Rainbow guitar straps. Played my biceps too, because because like, I'm I'm doing a lot of sports like and and sword fighting and stuff, and it's like. It's not really woman to have muscles. How could I how could I have the audacity to have muscles? They had like. Apparently I don't read the comments, but I will not grace them with my attention. But apparently I was told they were like, guys, guys, I'm just I am one hundred percent positive. It's been exclusively guys crying about the fact that I was too massive, that you could probably kick with my with my biceps, and I was like too and rochiness and what this trans metal was.

17:58 First of all, trans is not an insult. Second and rogunity is not an insult. Third of all, gay is not an insult, and and fourth of all, muscles are fucking healthy. And and in a world where we have where we have ozembic on the rise, where women again once again have to be as frail as possible, strength, strength is fucking awesome. I eat food to all day long. It's fucking amazing. I love it. I love having a biceps. I love having muscles, and I love being strong and capable. And how does that affect these people are fucking saying ship.

18:40 I don't know, they're probably just jealous. They wish they had my boy sets. And I'll tell you what. Some of the hardest women I know, they're pretty fucking you know, beefed, you know. And and but they're healthy, Like you said, like, why are people hating because you're being healthy? Actually, when you get older, it's so important to have muscle mass. Why are they's anyway commenting on your outside you know? I mean, I mean it's probably that. It's probably the dudes that have, you know, like the big stomachs ugly face and little fucking peepies that are fucking.

19:23 I want to get to that. I want to say, yeah, we should not body shame, we should not body shame. And you're right, it's jealousy, You're right. But they're usually that's the person that's hating on somebody like you. You know, it's cure and happy and content with yourself. I don't think you're doing that. So no, but but like really all the compliments exactly. And I mean there's just also people they just like to hate, you know. There's just specially now some people are just assholes, especially now for two reasons three reasons, Internet, social media, and asshole political leaders that give them permission. That's what's going on in my country. It's not that the people that are the fucking haters now weren't haters. It's now they've been given permission to not subdue that and fucking hate other people.

20:22 Yeah, and also think it's just blare it out anywhere they fucking want, you know exactly. I mean, I mean fifty. Years ago, if you have like a couple of people in the town being assholes, no one knows about them. Now they're getting presidents. Yeah, and right exactly. You know. And I personally think that you and I should not be politically correct, but I think the leader of your country should be. That's why it's called politically correct, because you're a politician and you should act a certain way and not like a fucking piece. Of you're a leader. Leaders don't do that, but you should cure.

21:04 You should be. Idiot, someone looking up to, Yeah, someone to look up to. Exactly. It's insecure idiots that have to like I'm this, I'm not I'm if you have to say it, then you're not just add that, you see. I just want to quote the game of thrones there because if a king has to say I am the king, he's no king. No exactly, it's not verbatim, I know, but it doesn't matter. But it's spot on. And if you're a true leader, as somebody, I'm also a motivational speaker, and I like a true leader is positive, builds you up, makes you feel good, not this other bullshit. And it's spreading throughout the world. I don't know what the fuck's happening.

21:54 So you're talking about Barack Obama. No, but I feel like I feel like what what I really liked about was like the way he used his rhetorics, like he was very spot on, but he was also like collaborative. You can acknowledge your political opponents, you can acknowledge their work and their positions, and you can you should always try to strive for common grounds so everyone profits in the end. And yes, there's a lot of compromising in politics. They're always because your whole country people. Yes, And and what what I'm basically saying like from this administration is like is like, it's not that, And I just I work in political environments actually, and I work for people. I mean not I'm not I'm not a politician, but like I do work together with politicians and from from from the entire spectrum, and there are.

22:59 People who who have other opinions on things. And I feel like when we look at the media, and there are and there's a lot of I mean, Trump is very clickbaity, he is exactly so, and and the media is all over him so and it's perpetuating this this circus by like always posting headlines about stuff. He said. But like when you actually work in political environment, work with politicians, like like in a on a on a communal level, like you notice that, like in reality, you'll find common ground. You have differences, but you still find common ground. We have like I'm working environmental protection and.

23:45 There is like our our our boss kind. Of boss, like we have like a political kind of boss in our work field that is a signed to us. And he's actually like from another political camp then I would like call myself. But he's still he's so such a person who builds bridges. And for example, he's like. Very very in the economic fields with his party and the very financial, very economic growth and stuff. And he's always been very keen on like coming to us with when we have an idea or a plan or anything.

24:36 It's like, hey, if you want to make this work economically, here's what you have to do. When you want to get the financial people on board with, here's what you have to look out for. And this is the ship. And I think it's worth mentioning because all we're getting told is that politics is a shit show. And it's not that we have on community, communal community level, there is a lot of very important it's actually the grassroots level there and there's a lot of important work being done of people who were who are very passionate about their things and really try to find common grounds and it's nothing like the circus we're being told. So I think that's important to mention, like, there is hope totally, and there is there are things happening, and yeah, you.

25:28 Know where the hope is and where is it in like two and a half years hope for you? Yea hope that will definitely affect all of us. It's already is. Look at what's happened in this country where and other countries where people are following his freaking lead, you know, politicians. Unfortunately, it's unbelievable to me and see listen The thing is, the people that are his strongest followers are people he would never break bread within a million years. They makes fun of he's a New York commercial real estate developer. It doesn't get more scummy than that, by the way, And I'm from New York and New Jersey, okay that title. The Rednecks in the Hillbillies in our country are his are people he would hate, but he appeals to them, so he does it for a reason.

26:29 They're his biggest fans. The other ones that are his biggest followers blow my mind, especially in my state, Florida. All the women I know, like, I think they want bang them or something. They're so like into him, and I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like? And I have one more that's a really good example. I have a niece who is a black, transgender and a total true I'm like, how can you possibly be a trumper? I don't understand me neither. I cannot explain this, but I can explain that you should always follow the money.

27:11 Trail because there's a lot. There's always a lot of people who profit off whatever that fuck heart is doing. Of course, that's what it's about. I could do the same. I could just invest in oil when he talks shit, and then when he comes back and just sell it again and we're all getting rich together. I was actually very big in the financial business. And I can tell you right now I have watched what when he says stuff, he's doing it to manipulate the market. Of course he does all the time. Of course if you watch it very well, and he gets out of stuff and then says something, and he gets back in and says something else, and it's so obvious way he's doing.

27:56 But the idiots have followed him. Listen. He said it in the age, She said, if I ever run for president, I'm running as a Republican because they're idiots and no vote for me. Here we are and they know he's said this, and they still vote for him. And I can tell you the last election, I'll tell you how stupid people are. I do a funny bit on my radio show, on my live show for every election, vote Pipeman for pres And I make up this whole funny shock jock thing. So in twenty sixteen, I wrote myself in as a candidate. That was my vote. Okay, six of my listeners voted for me and I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you people? It was a joke.

28:46 It was a joke, and they're voting for not me Dean or voting for I do this thing there. It's a joke on my radio show where it's like I do a voice over of Bill Clinton saying I did not have sexual relations with that woman, and then I come on, vote Pipeman for president. I will have sexual relations with that woman. And those six people that vote for me all women, no wonder Trump's president? Well, yeah, politics is. You know what I want? This is why I want. I did vote for the other person this last election, and for one reason, one reason only, not economics, because I wasn't sure she would be good economic. I wasn't sure she would be good for foreign policy. There was one reason, the joy and love thing and the feeling good.

29:46 I don't give a fuck about anything else. Be loving to everybody, everybody's treat everybody like a human. Let's all feel good, let's all be positive. But all these other assholes want to vot for the guy that sits there like wants to make fun of everybody, wants to be an asshole and teach everybody to be an asshole. I'm ready to go to Switzerland, to be honest. I mean, in Switzerland we are really blessed with I mean it's not perfect. I'm not saying that our democratic system is perfect by any means. It's close to perfect. If you compare it to anyone else. Yes, but no, I mean, I mean maybe I wouldn't say that, I wouldn't go so far. But I think we have a lot of good things here and I do appreciate that also we as citizens do you get a vote not only on the heads but also on direct issues. Love with our direct democracy, and I appreciate this a lot in our country, so especially with everything going on.

31:00 Actually, so. It's good because other countries are changing. In any way. I feel like it's it's it's one thing. I mean, it's a big privilege, I think, and it's a big privilege that we need to be aware of to be to be living, to be born and raised and be living in a country like Switzerland. It's like for for I mean, to to draw the line back to rock metal battle, I mean we we are compared to other countries. I mean we're pretty well situated. Also, I mean financially, none of us I mean we're not rich or something, but like in comparison, you neither you neither, none of us.

31:45 I mean we're getting we're getting by and. We and we're set up well it's it's okay, but like we are rich compared to many other countries also many other countries taking part in this contest. And me, for for. A part, like felt kind of bad receiving like a five pound uh euro price money. I mean we we also used. That money and we're glad we had it because we don't have Like make music is really expensive. It's an expensive harvey. And imagine how expensive it is for people in other countries. Yes, and and it was like part of me it just felt like it's sort of unfair because there would have been maybe other bands who that money. It would have like meant or it would have meant a lot more and and would have allowed for much greater progress.

32:44 I mean, it's still a contest and and the rules are the rules, and yet there's like always this this part of me that felt a bit bad in that moment. And I don't know if it makes sense. Like because it's just like you're already kind of privileged and then you win this contest. I mean, yes, you've earned it in that situation for like you didn't still think of other things. It's a countries that are not that rich. It's a great attitude. I'll tell you a story happened to me. I was living in Copenhagen for a couple months and I was talking to this girl that lived there, and they were like, hey, of us surrounding you know. She was saying something because we always like to say in my country about them being socialists and paying high taxes.

33:32 And what she said to me was like I thought it was brilliant. She said, yeah, we pay higher taxes, but why should I own two cars and my next door neighbor not have any. We like to share with our countrymen. And that's their attitude, you know, Like, what a great attitude. I think that should be the standards well our country. It's like you have to be better. We call it keeping up with the Joneses. Yeah. Yeah, it's like if there is no. Competition, yeah, no, competition is a problem. If there is absolutely no competition, there's the possibility.

34:17 That no one is doing anything. That's not really the solution to everything. And look at me, it's on. But absolutely, Yeah, my only cap I have nice. But there should be the possibility for people that don't have that much, that don't have the possibility to get into a standard earning into standard financial services, they should have the possibility to get into that from people that already have that possibility. And for most people that have the possibility, it's not like giving half of their wealth. It's like giving a percent, one and a half percent, something like that, and that's not hurting them, absolutely not.

35:08 And I'm what should I say? I have enough money, I'm okay, I have my flat, I have my care. I'm fine. If someone tells me, hey, we now have the solution. To give everybody a great life, just give twenty percent of everything you've. Got, I mean, who cares? Nice? And I think that should be the mood for the. People that have the possibility to do that. About the extreme religious organizations that pass or play it around and tell people to give up tie ten percent or money to God, why don't you give that ten percent to the other humans. We have a word for that in Germany. It's called h and soon.

35:52 Define it. It's it's a son of a bit. Yeah, it's like money transferred when you have been conceived. Ah, I like, son of a bitch better. Yeah, I was trying to be more politically correctly. Yeah, but you're not. You're not the president of Germany, so you could be. That would never be, you know. But but seriously, though, why are we doing that? Why if we want to tithe and give ten percent, give it to your neighbor that needs it, give it to other people that need it. Why are they're homeless people that can't eat, But yet you're giving money to a religious organization. Don't get it?

36:40 Maybe in hope that they give it to the homeless people because they preach that, well they think. That, I mean, maybe they think, you know, they they're just all delusional. Then, because someone preaches that we should get the money for the people in need, what they don't disclose is that the people in need are them saying elves, Well, even while I. Need, I am in need of more and more and more and the more. I mean, when I would find out that people just stupidly give me money for just nothing, why stopping right right? So, I think it's that they just found a way where they can open a fountain of money and it keeps pouring, and it keeps pouring, and it keeps pouring, and then they tell themselves, what if I just conned them into giving me even more money by just, you know, maybe relying to them even more well like.

37:39 I would like I would like to have. I think we have to be a bit careful because there are a lot of religious organizations also who who do a lot of honorable charitable work. That's why I provide that's a lot a lot of communities. And I think it's I think it's it's it's dangerous to generalize too much in any specific. Religion. Everything. Those are big. Topics and complex topics, and all these issues that we're talking about, they are complex, and I think there there is the trick in it, there is there are no easy solutions. Even when there when there are easy solutions being sold.

38:34 Normally, the things aren't always that easy. I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not there are some things that are, in my opinion, non negotiable, like when it comes to to hatred or racism and stuff. Where where it's just just no. But But like poverty is a very complex issue with a lot of factors waking in, with a lot of political and non political factors like at stake, yeah so, and also depending on the country and depending on situation, depending on education, a lot of things. And I just think it's difficult to I mean, I just don't want to fall into the trap of generalizing.

39:28 No, no, I agree with I agree with you a million percent. Here's my viewpoint. If they're asking you a religious organization is asking you for money to help the people in need, I'm cool with that. If they're actually doing it, If they're phrasing it as hey, you know, you're you know, paying a membership fee because there's costs of running that religious organization, I'm okay with that too, because that's like, Okay, it's an expense. I'm cool with that. You're you're saying it the right way when you say to me that you're giving it to God. I don't think God needs your money. Yes, I agree with that, But I also think that like poverty, especially poverty has a lot of root causes.

40:13 And while giving money to the poor and immediate like help is an emergency, help is really important to like cover the dire needs, they're also it's it's it's it's not sustainable without addressing the root causes, and the root causes are complex and broad. So so so it should be yes, maybe you should run. It's like it's like, can you run for president in twenty eight in the United States? No, I'm not. I'm not a natural born US citizen. I have, in fact, never been on US soil really or maybe in two and a half years, depending on how it go.

41:00 I know. Right so, because right now, just just for this interview alone, they probably would capture me at. Supporter right, I have a hard time getting back into my country, you know, I yes, okay. Because of stuff he says here like you maybe, but. No, seriously, like I can come to Europe, go to the UK. I just walk right in easy pas. He put my passport in the thing. Every single time I go back to the US during these years, I get asked ten million questions why are you here? Because I live here because of my parents?

41:41 Right? Well, you know what, Well, why why you live here? I don't know. Look at my driver's license. Maybe I was born here and I've always lived here. I went on a trip, I'm coming home, like and blows my mind that they do that, Like how can I walk in to Germany in two seconds? And get home and take two hours. Blows my mind, you know, And that's you know, the thing is, we just need to love everybody. Everybody's a human. Let's care about human beings. And let's stop in my country picking sides. You know, it's the oldest stricken the book Divide and Conquer. Let's all get together and fight that kind of stuff, the hate, the you know, making fun of people and all the crap.

42:37 I'd rather just I don't care whether they're on the left or the right. If they're a good person, they could be a politician in my country and they're doing the right thing. We should stop comparing. That's the point. Comparing is the joy the killer of joy. Yeah, and we should definitely stop comparing because. You know, I mean, if you stop comparing yourself to other human beings too much when it results in your own unhappiness and in depression. But maybe maybe and. Things that don't affect our life in any way, shape or form, like or just just or. Just don't don't hate on random people. I mean, I mean, there there's there is, like custom, nothing to just be kind and even if you can't, for for the love of whatever, if you if you can't bring it upon yourself to be kind, then you can at least be quiet.

43:33 I like that. That that's the quote, right there, be kind or be quiet? I mean, if you ask, that's our platform. Sometimes you have to say it as it is. But like strive for collaborative approaches. Oh yeah, like. If you hate, if you just ask yourself before you do any action at all, would everyone like this? And you can honestly say yeah, I think everyone would like this. Confidentially. I want to talk about your tattoo. Oh yeah, it's freaking cool. Right, Okay, I got chased by an otter when I was paddleboarding in Florida. Yeah, they're vicious. Actually, I was like nerv I was nervous, like it was coming after me, and like they are they can be.

44:28 They're very territorial and vicious. But he's cute. He's a nice guy. They're all cute. Yeah, because yeah, because he's a nice guy. Is he backpacking? Wait? Is he walking the Camino? Yeah? Probably? Yeah, probably, And he's nice to everyone. And he asked himself, would my actions be like by everyone? And he says yes, I'm a good guy. There you go, right, I mean he does look like a good guy for president, and he's got a plant coming out of his back, exactly. In the water bottle because you should stay hydrateed. You thought of everything. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, and whoever ours is, they did a really good job because that looks straight up just like an honor.

45:13 Yeah, and he's black and white, he's not orange. Welling perfect right, But he didn't go get a spray dad, No yet, not yet. It could happen, though, it could happen. So let's get back to your music. What do you want to tell the listeners about what you got coming up on your music, Why they should connect you on socials and how they do that, and most importantly, how they buy your merch because they can't listen to my show unless they buy your merch. Okay, yeah, we're actually like celebrating our twenty year anniversary this year.

46:00 So like we've been around for a while. And see, I knew that working out was good because you don't look like you could be in a band for twenty years. So praise the praise the muscles. Praise the muscles, you know, twenty years of eating and lifting heavy. Now, all right, we have like an anniversary show and the end of November in Zurich, and we're really looking forward to this and after that we have a lot of things planned for twenty twenty seven, more international shows actually.

46:41 And yeah, come play regardless in the States maybe, and I really hope we can break ground in the United States at some point. Putting it out there, I cover all the festivals in the United States, the Metal Festival, so I'm putting it out there for you. Put it out there. Yes, we would love to come to you and to see the years. I've never been into the u US. And and yeah, if if they let us in, like we would love to r we love to. Actually you might be able to get in. Yeah, I possibly take some month's chop so. It works in it.

47:21 Like I actually entered the US and they were asking me, oh, do you do you want to stay here in the work a job, and I'm like, no, for God's sake, no, yea, all right no. And for the merchandise. No. Really to our US listeners, we love you guys. We can't wait to one day come and play our music live to you. Don't ruin it, yeah, don't ruin it. Just just for the record really and for our merchandise. If you connect with us on our socials, you can reach us. We're like really freshly on TikTok, and we are also on Instagram under expeller Official, and yeah, there is a link. We have a merchandise shop and where you can order worldwide and we send it to you.

48:21 So we are not signed with a label. We do all this by ourselves. We send the packages like once a week, but they sometimes it takes. A bit longer. Bird like they always reach their destination in the end of the day. So we'd love to hear from you. We'd love to have you amongst our friend us and our friends and our listeners. So check us out on our channels, on our socials and on Spotify or any other streaming service. So yeah, we really looking forward to it. Do you have an embarrassing TikTok that you guys did that you're embarrassed about? What an embarrassed seeing TikTok that you're embarrassing about that you did.

49:03 Not yet, because we just recently started with TikTok. We just reposted off reels and recap reels that we post on Instagram. We're not really we hate the content creation aspect that music nowadays just work. It's it's it's a lot of work, and it's it's just you kind of require as a musician. I've seen a lot of bands like doing doing doing clown stuff and and trying to go viral and picking up trends and stuff. And I mean, if if that's what what what if if you. Have fun with that? Good? We don't we want We just want to make music.

49:45 I don't blame you. I don't know why musicians have to do so much work nowadays. Be the musician, somebody else do the work. Just we don't want to really, we don't want to put on stand up comedy or anything on our socials. Or no no gym tiktoks. You don't want to put them up either. If you want. Tom harassing stuff from us, come come to show talk show, talk to us, and him to talk to me and watch me closely, because even today, if you watch the live stream, you can see me struggling getting up on the drum rise because I. Fucking hit my knee and fell. Did that I that I did exactly the same thing last year at the exam, exact same You need.

50:33 To stop doing that, Okay, Like somebody's got to take some control and stop it from absolutely. Fine and if you and if you, maybe we maybe we can repost it for your show on Instagram where I did a nice jump in execution right, and then I fell. On my ass, telling yourself, I fell on my ass and. It looked like a little kid, you know, falling back on you know, on their little trousers. And I'm like, oh, yeah, by the way, did you have another interview after me? Did you have another interview after me? Or What's I the last? You're my last?

51:14 That's why we took so long. Yeah, but we're gonna leave now. Yes, that's what I's getting to. I'm sick of you interrupting her. Well, then just next time, book an interview with her. No, no, we need all of you. We need your order. The order is the we need the hotdor in the interview. What's the odder have to say? What's the oder have to say? I have the odder say something. Yeah, the Odor is here. Yeah you can hear. It's nothing to say. He has nothing to say. We've said all we had to. But you know what, you guys are awesome, and uh, it was a long interview, but I think it was worth it because you guys were a great air and the fact that I didn't get bored and say okay, we're done, that says a lot about you. But your music is great. You guys are all great in all seriousness, and I hope we see a lot more of you, and I hope we can get you into the Danny Wimmer festivals in the United States. You need to have them there. And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

52:24 Thank you so much for having us. And we really enjoyed this. I'm glad this talk where we just straight a bit from the music to talk politics in between, which and. I really nice that much. I rarely never talk politics. I rarely do either, but it happened. That's why I do. The interview is the way I do like it takes a life of it on its own. Whatever happens happens. You actually said that in the beginning, you were you were not promising us an interview. You've been promising us a conversation exactly, and that's exactly what happens. And fuck those people that give you ship your nails. Okay, yeah, it could be worse that you could have fungus nails.

53:05 He doesn't care. I don't care. I'm glad. I would rather give them nails for her fuck or whatever. And I'm glad though, because everybody should just do whatever they want to do. You do you? And why people make no look at them? Now? That was pretty good. That do that for our picture? Okay, I will, I will, But seriously, you guys are awesome. I'm glad you were here at Vodkan and you're gonna have to send me some wave files or MP three's or your music. I'll put in a rotation on the station. You'll get every perfect love it. Thank you so much, my pleasure. Thank you for listening to the adventures of Pipeline. I'm w for CUI Radio.