DISTANT at Welcome to Rockville 2026 - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you love one to censure. Wow for you you. Oh my god, oh my god. This is the pipe Man here on the Avengers Pipe Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here back in South Florida. I was at Welcome to Rockville. I got evacuated three days in a row. One of those days I was supposed to have an interview with this really badass band and it just didn't happen. Nature decided it was not in the cards. But nature decided it is in the cards today. So we are here with Elmer from distant.

1:02 How are you. I'm good, I'm beck. I'm safe now, so I. Know, And we're actually kind of lucky when we scheduled this because I wasn't surprised about Rockville. Okay, I've been to Rockville since like twenty thirteen, and I think there's only one. Time I was not evacuated. But it's like that here during this time of year, it's like three four o'clock, three to five, you can generally set your alarm clock that it's gonna be a thunderstorm with sometimes badass lightning and a serious torrential downpour. And as you saw, that was very true at Welcome to Rockville.

1:45 Oh yeah, Well I was really surprised, to be honest, because I'm used to the European festivals and when something like this happens, it's just chaos. Yeah, it's cancelation, so festival and it doesn't continue. But it seems to like, seems like a smooth procedure and welcome to rock fill way to just continue again. Well, the Wimmor festivals have a lot of experience with evacuations because I've had a lot of them over the heres at different ones. But I think the way they did this year was really good, Like they really honed in on because really no bands really got cut. There were only two bands that didn't play. One that's because they had to go on to their next gig, you know, and that happens, you know, like you're sometimes you're on timeline, like and you're supposed to get on load out like as soon as you're you know, done with your gig, and then another one she just disappeared.

2:41 So she probably figured too, like you would think like, oh, well it's over now, Like. I bet you that's what happened. She probably was like, oh it's gonna be all canceled altogether now. But what's cool too is Wimmer always has a good connection with the local law enforcement and first responders. So I remember, like several years ago at Rock on the Range, what was Sonic It was either Sonic Temple or Rock on the Range. But Metallica was supposed to headline and we and there was a massive storm. We got evacuated, and people were in the Facebook groups threatening that they were going to riot if Metallica didn't play.

3:29 And then where it was had you know the you know, the noise ordinance, so you couldn't play a past a certain time. No matter what. Wimmer actually got the law enforcement in the area to extend the curfew so Mentallica could play. They played at one in the morning, which would be normal if we were at Hellfest or someplace like that, but in the States it's not always normal to be able to play at. One in the morning. I think it would suck being a band though, right, Like you're supposed to play at a certain time, and you go and you're all pumped up to play, and then you got wait till one in the morning.

4:14 Like you're all deflated by that time. Right, especially if you have to sit around and wait. Right, that's the point. If you're doing something, it's one thing. But if you're sitting around and waiting, man, it's rough to get through right there, especially when you're in the headline band. But I got to check out your set at Rockville, and oh my god, you definitely represented the Northern European area very well because you guys were brutal. And I say that in the best of ways. Yeah, well that's what we like, right, I mean I I often think that bands in your part of the world are so brutal and so great because the weather sucks so bad most of the time, so you got nothing better to do but to play your mutes.

5:10 Well that's how it feels, yeah, especially coming to the US, where the weather is always nice just wherever you. Go, right except when you're evacuated from a festival. That's still the weather is nice. Like it's yeah, exactly. Well, I gotta tell you something I don't know. I'm some kind more on because I've been going to your country a lot for the past thirty years, and for some reason, I don't know what kind of idiot I am. I almost always except one time, have gone during the winter and that decision, Oh my god, and then the last time was okay. I spent two months in Amsterdam, and then I spent another couple of weeks and then huh, but you know how Amsterdam is, It's already built on water. So for the three months that I was in the Netherlands that year a couple of years ago, I saw a total of three hours.

6:13 Suddenly and it was freezing. Imagine I live in South Florida. You know, I'm used to cold. I'm from New York and New Jersey, but now I'm used to Florida. But that was bad enough. But walking through Amsterdam and I'm gonna type that I won't let that stuff stop me. And I was walking every day through Amsterdam in that misty, freezing rain as my least favorite part of winter anywhere, you know, like they have that New Jersey and I'm like, I'd rather it would snow, to be honest, you know than that exok me, freezing misty rain. I was cure the winter then, like I was like, you know what, I don't think I'm coming back here in the winter from now on, I'm going to be smart and due to summer.

7:00 Way better. That's why we always hope to get to the us in the winter, especially to Florida. So we've been looking out to flying over for the last off year. Of course. Yeah, just get the winter, I know, right. And it's like I've concerned several times moving the Netherlands because I love it so much there. But now I'm convinced that if I do, it's not going to be I'm gonna like take the winter off, like I won't live there in the winter, you know. But I mean otherwise it's a beautiful country, and it is really beautiful in the summer. I don't know why I always went in the winter, because it is really beautiful in the summer.

7:44 But yeah, I love your performance, not only at Rockville, but I love your newest single because it is so freaking brutal, Like I just. Was. I was listening to it before the interview again, just to pump up for the interview. Nice, So tell us a little bit about for the listeners that don't know you guys. I know it's funny. I'm not a genre person, but I kind of laughed in one of the descriptions I saw that said a four piece crushing down Temple Death Corps band, Yeah, and I was like, that's.

8:26 Pretty cool because, like a lot of times in my interviews. At the festivals, because I do festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, because it's so stupid nowadays with the micro genres and the subgenres that a lot of times when I have somebody an interview, I'm like, well, if you had your own genre to your own band was in, what would you call it? And then I saw this, I'm like, man, that would be the answer right there, crushing down temple death core, Like I like that as a good ring to it. Yeah, So tell us a little bit about your Well, let's go first, let's talk a little bit about the experience of Rockville for you, Like you're used to doing the European festivals.

9:16 US festivals used to be shit. Compared to European festivals, and I think we're kind of taken, you know, you know, we're taking some tips from the European festivals. And now that you played Welcome to Rockville, how do you feel about that statement I just made. Do you think it was you know, as well run and as cool as a European festival. Well, to be honest, I absolutely agree with it. Like I was not expecting this and this not in a bad way, but in a good way. Yeah, as I had to hope to be honest, that it would be a totally different experience to play a festival and in the US. But it felt very European like were organized. Yeah, just in general. It might have might have been just for the for the weather and the thunderstorm shin out of the fix, but otherwise I would have thought.

10:16 That was I was in Europe, right, And see, I think that's where the Wimmer festivals are so great because he recognized what Europe has with music festivals that we didn't have like our US festivals before. Wimmer was more like carnivals or fairs than music festivals, is the best way I could put it. Like it was just like. It wasn't well organized, it was crappy food. It was like just this, for lack of a better way of putting in a ship show and Danny Wimmer just runs a well oiled machine, which means leads me to the next question, how did you feel Damny Wimmer treated you as an artist?

11:05 Because I think that's so important. Yeah, I agree to that, And actually there was was really well organized. So from from the start where everything was advanced properly, but also to to just the catering and the and the backstages again, yeah, very very you being experience where it's just super organized. There's there's nothing you can complain about even and that's that's that's a bit of different compared to or general US experience where for shows in general, you get a buyout, which means you have to get your own food. Yeah. Really pretty hard in the US because there there isn't any food shops around the corner, so you have to order order food.

11:57 So you're Yeah, you just suffer on your health because you can't get a proper meal, you can't eat dinner at the proper time. And here at this festival, there's plenty of healthy food all day long. So I love hearing that really because it's so important. The reason I think it's so important, first of all, as an artist, you need a stress free and experience, you know, and like nothing's worth that showing up to a festival. You have problems with catering, you have problems with loading, you have problems with soundcheck, and it just puts your emotions and your mind in the wrong place to be prepared to do a gig.

12:42 Yeah, to be honest, I think I think that's help. That helps a lot, and I don't think you should you should budget on it because if if the ideals feels comfortable, does have any complaints about anything, then just in general, the performance will be good if you're there on stage and your angry and thirsty. Performance exactly exactly. And so I think that's where Danny Wimmer gets it. He gets that one of the most important parts is the artist, because if you please the artist, I think you're gonna please the audience at the same time exactly. The artist is gonna give them their best show, and everybody is going to be happy that they've seen so many bands at their best.

13:28 Right. So what did also feel like to play at one of the most famous race tracks in the whole world. It's felt a bit surreal, just just because I would all look like for us as Europeans, we're not very familiar with with Nascar. I'm a Formula one guy, so I would have hoped to be in Miami on the on the F one track. This track does look way cooler, to be honest. Oh my god, It's like it's so much fun riding on the track too, and that wall it. Doesn't look like that on TV. Like that wall is insane that they have to drive around they have to hit that wall that corner at eighty miles per hour in order to not.

14:16 Fall off the wall. Yeah, exactly, that's insane, you know. And it's like, okay, so do you remember seeing I have a trivia question for you, but we're not there, so you might not remember it. Asked all the bands, do you remember seeing the seats in the stands, not where the audience was, but for the raceway, and they were all like multicolor seats. I haven't seen this, so okay, so then I'll just tell you this is interesting. So all the seats are in different colors and they do it to make it look like the stands are full. Oh okay, you know. And I was interviewing the NASCAR driver at Rockville and he explained it perfectly to me too. He said, like you go to a football game, I mean not a football game, basketball game, and they'll be like twenty thousand people okay here in the States.

15:13 Yeah that. That Daytona Speedway holds one hundred thousand people. So he said, imagine putting twenty thousand people it would look like the place was empty. Yeah, so just the trickery have you know, optical illusions, you know. And it's funny you talk about the racetrack. Like I'm going in a couple of weeks. I go over the year. I do coverage I download which is also at a racetrack in the UK. But I never feel like I'm at a racetrack there. I don't even know I'm a racetrack except the fact that I know whereas it the dayton Speedway. You know, you're playing in the field, in the infield of the speedway exactly.

15:58 You can to go around it, right exactly. I had to drive on the speedway to get to my parking at media. I mean, like I say it, like, oh poor me. But I always fanboy out on it every time, like I'm driving on the Daytona Speedway. Oh man. And so let's go back to you know, your newest song, rat Torture. Yeah, So, like I said, it is absolutely brutal. Tell us about that song, because the first thing I think of in that song is, you know, I'm from New York City and it's like being in downtown New York City that you know you're getting tortured by rats everywhere.

16:50 So you tell us your version, because I know that's. Not what it is. No, it's it's just it's just a playoff. Words is about like this new age where everybody is glued to their to the screens and it it feels like some sort of torture mechanism. While there's there is a way to escape it and get get out of it, but just people are to fixate it on the screens that they cannot. Oh, I'm telling it for sure. And I was thinking. I was thinking, like the rat race.

17:31 That's the pun on the words, because oh my god, like social media is so anti social yeah, you know, and it is true, like everybody's so addicted in the kids are becoming they're addicted from day one, Like you can't take that electronic device away from them. Yeah, exactly, and it's hard to get again to go against it, of course, like like I also, we're now doing an interview over a computersh So it's right, it's part of society. But just yeah, sometimes you just need to realize it and also get your bread out of it.

18:14 I do kind of aware then it's fine in my opinion. That's I don't know if it's true or not, but I do find when I go to Europe there are a lot less addicted than we are. I mean, doesn't mean they're not using their devices, but I saw a lot more people putting their devices down in public when they're with people and hanging out and actually experiencing life, whereas here, Yeah, like I'll go out to dinner with my kids and grandkids and everybody's. On their devices. At the dinner table, you know, and it's it's insane, but it is also there's, like you said, there's a good part. It's a good way for you guys to get your music out to a lot more people, you know, and a lot more no geographic limitations or anything like that.

19:06 You know. We can always talk about what the negative of that is, but I'd better focus on the positive. And the positive is. It gives bands like you to have the kind of brutal audience you did at Welcome to Rockville, all these thousands of miles away, exactly. So it's we're not complaining against that. Obviously, a very active online as well, also glued to our screen. Sometimes I just need to be aware of it. And in some way, of course, you hope that this gets better, and this would have been better or otherwise. But yeah, but what's what's the other alternative?

19:54 Right? I know it's here. I you know. I did tell my youngest daughter one time. I was like, you know, some days I just want to gain my car, drive down the road, throw my phone, laptop and iPad out the window, and keep driving. Yeah, she goes to me, Dad, who are you kidding? You're just as addicted as a bay. I'm like, you're right, But I also do remember a time when I didn't have any of these devices, and I think it was a lot better and a lot less stressful. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sometimes you just have some of these days, and that's that's where the music came from.

20:34 There you go. So you're located in Rotterdam. That's your favorite part about Rotterdam. I think it's a very new new city because we got the bomb by the Germans. Yes, so it's it's it's literally a newer city, but you can feel it, like and how the people are like, it's very yeah, more futuristic or something compared to other Dutch cities where very much yeah, going more with the trends and uh, keeping up with the technology. So I like it because it's not that touristy as well, compared to, for example, Amsterdam. Yeah, so just for for us, it definitely feels like it feels like.

21:33 A well I think with the I think except for the architecture, Amsterdam is more like an americancy than Dutch Sea. And in fact, funny thing is we're talking about it. You know, I've tried to learn Dutch and then people and some people said to me, well, if you speak Dutch in Amsterdam, people are gonna look at you weird. Yeah. I thought that was so weird. It's like it's like, say, where I live. If you speak English, you're gonna look weird. You know, but that is true in Miami. If you're speaking English, they will look at you k weird in Miami. But you know, I was telling you before the interview, and so true. Like I was so surprised because when I went to Rotterdam for the first time, you know, you expect things when you're in Europe, everything's to look European, and you know, you go to Amsterdam as all the ancient European architecture. But like you said, the Germans bombed Rotterdam, so they were forced to rebuild the whole thing. And I drove in at night and listen, I've been to some of the most beautiful cities in the world, and I'm born in New York.

22:47 I was in Awe. When I was driving up, I was like, oh my god, this is like the most beautiful city I've ever seen. And it was very modern, it was very full modern, just such a different vibe than Amsterdam. I did like it better because it was less touristy like when I go to the Netherlands. Like even when I was saying I was staying in Amsterdam for a couple months, I wasn't living in Amsterdam. I was living in Amsterden because because I want to live with the locals, not in the tourist area. And you know, so Rotterdam, I really loved it and I had a lot of fun there, and I also think it's kind of good in a way to I mean, things have changed because we have it partially legal here in the States, but the fact that even though you had places that were dispensaries, what we call dispensaries in Rotterdam, it wasn't so obvious. It wasn't like Americans going to Rotterdam so they could go smoke pot exactly, you know, and that's basically what Amsterdam always went it was when I first went there, it was like it was just a bunch of Americans, like I remember Gang Friendly with a lot of Dutch people there, and they could give two craps back. And I think that is the benefit of thatvent legal because with it legal, you don't really care so much, so you know, you're

24:18 not going to make a big deal about it. But I love your culture there. I love I love like everything about your country and now I have a new band that I love in that country. So is that the was that? What was that the first time you did a Danny Winter Festival? Yeah, yeah, that's the first one. So we'll have to see you come a lot more then. Okay, I'm glad that you were there. What else do you have going on this year in twenty twenty. Six, Yes, I'm in two weeks we start or European Summer festivals. So we got a couple of big ones on there like Ross Pop and uh Jer on air.

25:07 That's an action first so we're very much excited for that. Yeah, later in the year, hopefully something in the US again. Yeah, And you did Sonic Temple too, right, No, we didn't. Oh what were you supposed to perform at Sonic Temple? We hope to do it, but we did it. We didn't get invited. You know. That's so funny because I didn't see it on the lineup. Uh, And I knew I didn't cover it this year because they didn't have any interviews. But then when I was like googling, it said that Google said you did play there, So that's pretty funny.

25:49 So what we did is we did We did a run with in Flames and Throne Rocord to Rockville and they were playing Sonic Temple. So maybe Google just things since they're on tour together. They were playing there too, literally said your pand played there. I'm like, I don't remember seeing them on the lineup. No, you know, but if you're gonna pick one of the two, I think Rockville was the better one. And we had more people at Rockville too, So on one festival because I do a bunch of them over there that I haven't done yet. Of doing, I want to find out if you've ever played Dynamo. Have you played Dynamo Festival?

26:32 Yeah, of course, that's that's a famous Dutch one. Yeah, used to be a really big one back in the nineteen nineties. Too big for the Netherlands even that's why they eventually canceled it because yeah, people were struck stuck in traffic for days, or the infrastructure of the Netherlands, since we since we were such a small country, wasn't made for such a youag festival. That's why I don't drive when I'm in another Wins band, because it's so easy to get everywhere without carr and it's so difficult. Yeah. In fact, it's.

27:12 They they resurrected the Dynamo Festival again, but now it's in a in the is Hockey Stadium, so it's they cannot scale it bigger than the confines of the of the ice Hockey Stadium. But it's a nice one since they put the stages on both ends of the of the ring. So once once one band finished and you just walked to the other side, I think, and what's. The next band? Nice? Well yeah, see that's not so easy to say it, Rockville, because to walk to the other side is like. Yeah, like walking to Denmark, you know.

27:53 Uh. I get like when I do a lot of festivals, I get like eighty miles walking in a whole weekend. You know, Like I also do Hellfest. Oh my god, that. Festival is huge. I love that. I love that festival. It's huge, and it's it's just insane, like the decorations there and what you know. It It is amazing how a lot of your European festivals they kind of like start really small and then they just end up like owning the whole property or city, Like you know, Healfest pretty much owns Clisson and you got Vakin which pretty much own that's its own city. And you know, it is pretty amazing not only how they're run, but how they've built these things from like nothing, from like little teeny festivals.

28:50 But that's that's also the nice thing about it. Like it starts around the small town and that whole town will just live up to that festival whole year, and once it starts growing, they really get an attachment, yeah, the festival. So nobody of a neighbor's scarish that the festival's there, because it's just that's their life. Basically, they're proud of it. I see. I love that attitude because you don't usually have that attitude here in the States, Like even in the town next to me where I live in, they built this whole area and this little amphitheater for bands to play, but they built apartments there, and the people they ended up not using the amphitheater because all the people live in apartments complained, and I'm like, you know, the ampitheater is going to be there, why you get the apartment there.

29:45 I would get the apartment there just because i'd have a good view, you know, but and hear the music, But I don't get it. Like that's why I see too, Like. Here in the States, people will comp playing about every little thing I have festival, and I don't hear anybody complain when I do the European or the UK festivals, Like they're all and they're under some really bad conditions sometimes and they're just like the culture of loving this stuff and loving the music. We're just talking about this in the last in the last interview, I was doing like there are a lot of bands that were big in LA in the eighties that I thought were gone forever, and it turned out they were just in Europe all these years I was playing at the European festivals because it's like you turn on the radio in Europe and it's like eighties radio, you know, and it's so wild.

30:46 So, speaking of eighties, where would you say your. Influences first came from to be it and to do the type of music you do now. Yeah, it's a bit hard to say it like that we refer to the eighties because we're we're far away from the eighties. But that's why, you know why I said that. I said that because I saw Possessed in the very beginning, and I think they pretty much started most anything that had death in it. Yeah, of course it's a I'm really I'm really old school that metal guys, So that's where it came from for me. But yeah, I think I think mostly for us we started back in twenty twelve. Mostly for us came from the first wave of dead core, which started around two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and back then it grew out to a nice size, but it's stagnated. Around twenty twelve came became a bit more uh clustered, and that's also when downtemple dead core emerged.

32:10 And for for us, as Europeans, especially dark Dutch people were were a couple of years behind in our music genres. So back when everybody here in the Netherlands was still playing melodic ardcore because that's what was in in the US in two thousand and five or something, we were picking up Deadcore and downtowp Downtemple. Deadcore as basically the only band in the Netherlands and we got we got booed a lot. So we exactly we directly started focusing on going abroad, playing in playing in the UK because UK is is a bit more I had of the of the mainland Europe in the music daste, so there we got accepted and that's that's how it grew from there.

33:10 So yeah, I think the main influences are really just the old school death score of the first generation nice. So saying that something popped into my head that I wouldn't have even think to ask Toll while you were talking about it, especially because they played at Rockville too. What's your opinion of like Bring Me to Rise and originally being death core and now they're like, you know, they're they're not what they originally were. They've evolved and they're definitely far from death core now in some respects. I mean, I love them so I'm not throwing a shade because I love them, but I'm not. I'm not wanting the original bring Me fans, Like if I was, i'd probably think differently. Just like I saw Metallica's first show ever when the Black album came out, I was like, fucking posers.

34:01 I'm never listening to them again. Yes, in my opinion, like Bring Me the Horizon is an o G first generation death COO band because their first album and uh Suicide Silence the Glansing album, those two albums in two thousand and seven were really my thing. Am I like to go to deathcore albums? It they started evolving over the years. They did it pretty slow, but still they went far away from the from the dead core genre. So for me personally, I just didn't keep track with it right just because yeah I did.

34:51 I didn't feel like their new music. I wasn't. I wasn't hating on them though, Like I don't think they're they're poses because of it, and I would I would still go to a show hoping that they play some of their old stuff. But I think for them it worked out really. Nice and they do have an amazing live show yea, and they. Got they got so big with it. And also I think that it's just good for for dead core in general because then the new generation of people getting loving Bring Me the Rise and will go to their older albums and discover that they also got like a heavy side and bring them into the heavy music. So I think it's good for for us as a as a genre as dead core that bands like Bringing the Horizon are there to draw in the new kids, we discover their old stuff. And I think especially now since Bring Me the Rison is is going back to their roots and doing a show with the first album, so there's still activity promoting it and nice to us as a genre.

36:06 Well, I love that answer because I agree with you a million percent, And I have two responses to that. One is, you know, if it weren't for Metallica maybe doing that black album, who knows, if we'd have two hundred and ten thousand people that welcome to rock Pille for metal, you know, like days And it's based on what you just said, you know, it's like, you know you're bringing new people, but then you go to the back catalog and that that is what happened with me would Bring Me to Horizon because I saw them for the first time several years ago at a Danny Wimmer festival. I didn't know them, and it was when That's the spirit came out and I was like, oh my god, I love them because they had such a great live show.

36:56 But to your point, that made. Me go back to their through their catalog to the beginning, and I really loved their old stuff. So it was like I am that example of you know, I wasn't inn og bring me the Rizon fan, so I didn't have that, you know, oh man, they changed to they are thing. I had more of like, wow, they were really good live. Now let me check out the rest of their music. Yeah exactly. Well, I even have to with some just schedule friends who who aren't really that much into metal, but I do like bringing me to Rizon and they're always like, yeah, but I do love the old album and just right, they like the newest, newer stuff, they can just accept the older stuff as well. And that's the way I also expect accept what kind of music that I'm making.

37:54 Yeah exactly, And that's that is the point there, And you know all we did make good point. In an interview I heard him talking on where he said, why do I want to write the same song over and over again, and I could see that. You know, like an artist you're doing for that may years, you want to just keep writing the exact same thing over and over again. You kind of want to. The whole thing of metal is experimentation, right, so you want to experiment what you can do. It has two signs of the coin, to be honest, like, I definitely agree to that. Like with metal, you can just do whatever you want, but it goes both ways, like for example, with us now and that's that's coming back to your earlier question about about their new single and or previous singles as well, like or or for first album was just really raw and unpolished. Then we started experimenting polishing it up more with the previous albums.

38:56 But now we're more like, yeah, let's let's just not make it too polished. We we wanted rowst off again like on the first album, and that's that's that's what you get now with this, with these newer singles, you get the rollness of a first album. We careless what other people think in a sense that we just want to do what we love and also feel like that if if, if we do what we love. We will still have fans, We will still have people that like us just because they see that we perform something that we love to perform. Yeah, totally, and I agree with that million percent because if you don't love it, how can you expect other people to love it? Like and people can tell when you're just forcing it or if you're doing because that's who.

39:49 You are exactly. Yeah, that's that's the typical sell out. Bend, right right. But you know to your point what you're saying, and I think that holds true to what you said about bringing the Rising going back and they're going to play their full album or even Metallica because some of their newest stuff is to me, reminds me of the Kill Them All days, you know. And so the way I kind of put it now as an adult exposed to acting like a teenager, is well, maybe they did it a certain way for a while, but now that enabled them to go back to their roots and people want to listen to it, and now you've reached the masses and now they'll hear it because otherwise how many people have heard Kill Them All?

40:40 Exactly? Yeah, So it's it's it's it's maybe part of the evolution of a of a smart band. There it is, there, it is. Well, you guys are a smart band because you're doing exactly that. And you killed it at Welcome to Rockville and uh, you know this new song. Oh my god, it's just it's just rat torture. Man. Yeah, I wonder if you could do like science experiments and put rats in like a lab and play your song to them and see if they feel tortured by it.

41:23 That's a whole different story. But on the other I am a scientist actually working in cancer research. We are putting rats to the test, but that's with cancer medicine, not with a music there you go. Yeah, one of my best bros. He's also a scientist that's working on proteins to cure cancer. So man, you guys are doing great work for sure. See you're helping the world with these diseases, and then you're helping the world with mental issues with your music because music is the best therapy. I agree. Yeah. And the last thing is tell everybody, first of all, how to connect you on socials and more importantly, had to buy your merch a because they can't listen to my show. And let's say buy your merch because it's the only way bands get the next gig nowadays. B I was looking through your merch store. I was like, man, you have a lot of badass merch.

42:26 Yeah, we really love a merch game. Oh my god, some of it's so cool. Yeah, well you can get it on a distantofficial dot com. I have to ship everything from air fio that we do ship it from the Netherlands, and I think that that's also the best way to stay connected besides just the general Instagram and Facebook. Nice. And I also have to ask you, okay because I can't see clearly, but behind you, is that all your like artist passes from your gigs? Yeah? Exactly, nice section.

43:07 I love how you did that. Like, I have all my credentials, but they're like stuffed in a bag and a drawer somewhere. I like what you did there. That's a waste. I love looking at them and just having a glimpse of them just gives you motivation. Yeah, totally, That's why I'm seeing man like, hmm, maybe that's what I should do in my studio with all of you. I love it. Well, you guys are badass. Everybody's got to check you out they got to buy your merch and definitely look forward to seeing a lot more of you at the US festivals and I hope I catch you at a European festival too. Yeah, hopefully without a dinner storm this time.

43:49 And I know, right, I know right, we don't want that, but you know it's part of it though, right, you got you got to weather the storm and when you're me ahead for sure checking you. Thanks a lot for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Thanks very much. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on w for c u I Radio.